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Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to this Week in the Atlantic Coast Conference,

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the podcast for All Sports Discussion dot Com. This is

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S d A c C. Matthew, I'm going to turn

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it over to you now as we wait for our

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I just got We just got a message

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from him from Sam in our document and it looks

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like he doesn't have a method to log in or

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a link or something like that. Jeff, maybe you can work,

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Maybe you can work with him, because he doesn't have

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he doesn't have, he doesn't have, he doesn't have something.

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Is it in the invite or something like that. Maybe

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you can maybe you can help him out here. And

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I'll introduce here, Uh, I'll introduce the I'll introduce what

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we got going on here tonight. Ah. So, welcome back

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to this Week in the ACC. This is the podcast

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of All Sports Discussion dot Com. This is the longest

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running independent acc podcast in the country, and tonight we

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have a brand new guest and that guest is Sam

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Jesse and he is here from Suns of Saturday and

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you can follow him on Twitter. It at Sam of

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Saturday again. That's at Sam of Saturday. He's a certified

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analytics STARM. He actually calls himself that he's the code

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the co host of the Too Deep Hokies podcast. Again,

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that's at Too Deep at two d E E p

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VT Hokies podcast. This is the that is the longest

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running hokies podcast in the country. And he's the website

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content manager for suns of Saturday again for Suns of Saturday,

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which is a very Virginia Tech athletics focused website, and

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he's a Virginia Tech alumnus times too. Jeff, I think

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we may have to restart the podcast here because I

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up all that I see somebody joining the room here, Jeff,

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Do you see is Sam here with us? And Sam

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you're lying? Is that you with us?

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Speaker 3: See? Guys? How y'all doing? Man?

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Speaker 2: I think I introduced you. Did you hear me talking?

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Speaker 1: I just did? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome, So man, tell me more about you This

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is a good opportunity for you now to turn it

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for me to turn it over to you. Tell us

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about yourself, Sam. I know I gave you the brief

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introduction about where you're at with Sons of Saturday, where

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to follow you on Twitter? Yeah, just go an opportunity

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for you to tell us about yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, funny enough. That's the gist of it at this point.

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So I graduated from Virginia Tech, got my master's and

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did analytics. I've worked in sports betting a bit, and

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so that's kind of the lane that I stick to

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with my college football analysis. But yeah, with Suns of

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Saturday now been about four years and we're really up

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and running now and I help with the student writers

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as well, who write for our website. So we had

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a really cool thing going over there. Following Virginia Tech

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sports obviously hasn't been the fall that we have hoped for,

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but amazing time to follow college football regardless. My my

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co host on College Football Monday and two Deep, Pete

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Berthod We cover national game as well as just Virginia Tech.

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So it's been a really fun season.

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Speaker 2: So let's get right into it. Which ACC football team

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was the most disappointing in Week twelve and the flip side,

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who was the most impressive ACC football team.

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Speaker 1: Of the week?

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess we can start out with disappointing, and

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it's got to be Louisville. I mean, that was a

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that was a rough, rough performance there traveling to the

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would get somebody on one of those long road trips.

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that big win against Clemson and they just absolutely collapsed

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there at the end of the game. That's a really

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bad loss for Jeff Brahm and that Louisville program.

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Speaker 2: And flip side, who's your most impressive of AC Super

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Speaker 3: This is kind of one that shockingly no one's talking

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about because of this school. But North Carolina they've had

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with injuries and you know, the death of one of

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their players off the field, and I mean they've also

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had Mac Brown talking like he's going to retire in

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the middle of the season, and quietly they've reached Bowl eligibility.

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They're playing good football, and they have games against Boston

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College and North Carolina State left on the schedule. You

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no one will have talked about them. Kind of ironic

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considering the quarterbacks that they've had, and they've only been

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able to win seven or eight games with those guys.

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second half of the season.

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Speaker 2: That's an excellent response. That's an excellent response, Jeff, you're

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Speaker 1: Right, Thank you. Matthew Sam. Which ACC football game are

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you looking forward to the most in week thirteen? Can

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you believe that Week thirteen it absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Flies by man a little bit of homersm but maybe not.

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I kind of have to say Virginia Tech traveling to

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Duke in primetime because is it a big game for

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the ACC standings? No, but are we in like win

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or go home mode for Brent Prye. I don't know

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if we're there yet, but we're getting pretty darn close.

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Tech is now, there's gonna be a lot of eyeballs

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on that game and Tech needs a win. And I

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think that is just really really fascinating from a national perspective,

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because this is a game coming into the season that

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pretty much everybody sharpened in as a w for Virginia Tech,

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and now all of a sudden, it's going to be

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a real tight game on the road at night, and

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you're not playing very good football and your team's really

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beat up. So it'll be a really interesting matchup for

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the Hokies, especially going up against that Manny Diaz coached

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Speaker 1: All Right, which acc team do you think could be

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on upset alert in Week thirteen if they're looking ahead

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to a game on their schedule or otherwise just sleepwalking

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on the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I I this one pains me to say, but

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SMU traveling to Virginia on what is going to be

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probably a chilly day after SMU, I think kind of

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feels like they almost have this thing wrapped up. UVA

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is not a very good football team, but they're good enough.

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to pull one or two of these upsets of year

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is because teams kind of sleepwalk against them and I'm

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a little worried for SMU. They did not look good

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when they traveled to the East Coast to play Duke.

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we'll see what they look like. And another one that's

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really off the radar, Yukon is traveling to Syracuse. Yukon

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is seven and three and they are playing really good football.

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road trip. They've been really wishy washy all year. Would

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not be surprised if the Huskies keep that one as

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a game in the Dome.

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Speaker 1: All right, A good couple choices there. Let's step out

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of the acc for a bid here. Which national FBS

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game are you looking forward to to most in week thirteen?

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Power four, G five. You can go with an FCS

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matchup and then give us the winner of your game

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or two that you're looking at nationally.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll be boring and just pick the obvious top

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five matchup of Ohio State and Indiana, which everybody saw

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coming at the beginning of the year. But I just

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think that is going to be a really fascinating game

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in Columbus. I think I like Ohio State to pull

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that is because there's starting to be a lot of

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film on this Indiana team, and I think you saw

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that when they played against Michigan and they played against

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a higher caliber of athlete who also had some film

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study on them, and they kind of stifled that offense

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a bit. Now they're going to play a much better

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team in a more hostile environment. I just think that

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this might be the time where it catches up with

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Indiana and then we're a go Army beat Navy household.

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So we will be pulling hard for the Black Knights.

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to be a fascinating game. Unfortunately, I feel like Notre

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Dame has the upper hand. They've played the triple option

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a lot the past few years and they've played really

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well against it every year, So I think I like

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Notre Dame in that matchup. But it's gonna be a

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really cool game, and if Army pulls off the upset,

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that absolutely throws a wrench into the College Football Playoff

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Committee's plans because it would be really hard to leave

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out an undefeated army where the neutral site win against

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Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, Sam, We have the next couple segments here.

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This is kind of a new one. We've had open

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mic portions of our podcast in the past, but we've

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particular open mic section just for you. What do you

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have out there? What topics you want to hit on

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a and it can go anywhere. You can talk about basketball,

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if you want college basketball seasons getting going, you can

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go back to football officiating, you know, whatever you want

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Speaker 3: Well, shoot, I could talk about officiating. The ACC is

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given us plenty of material for officiating this season. You know,

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macro level as we start to wrap up this season

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is the really large conferences, These sixteen seventeen, eighteen team conferences,

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they don't really work. And like if you look at

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the championship game scenarios for all of these conferences, they're

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an absolute mess. And a lot of these teams aren't

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even playing each other in the regular season, so you'll

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have some teams who just won't get a shot at

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the team who ends up winning the title, or you know,

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because of their schedule draw or at a huge disadvantage

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the BYU game was pretty tough, but their conference schedule

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was abou as easy as you could ask for, and

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they're utilizing that this year. And credit to them, but

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you know, are they actually not much better than Miami

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or Clemson. I don't know. I think they're pretty good.

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I mean the Big Ten, there was a scenario a

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couple of weeks ago where like undefeated organ wouldn't make

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the Big Ten title game if Indiana and Penn State

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won out. That's just ridiculous. That doesn't make any sense

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there anybody. So I don't know if they're going to

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have to like rethink how they do the conference championships,

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you know, screw it, We'll just not even have the

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championship games. I don't really know what they do, but

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it is just wild and wacky. I'll know what you

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guys have thought about it, but it's been really tough

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to keep up with, even for someone like myself who

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lives and breathes college football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, hmm, I think that. Yeah, the conferences

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have gotten so big, you know that it definitely has

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taken away the ability to evaluate teams. I mean, maybe Indiana,

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you know, shocks the world and beats Ohio State, But

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to have to play you know, another P four team

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out of conference. You know, should that be evaluated as fairly?

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in the same way that Georgia is, who you know,

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Georgia Tech to P four teams, and then has a

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how can those teams be evaluated on any level equally?

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Speaker 3: And shockingly, what you miss there with Georgia is they

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where every team kind of plays everybody else at least

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once in the conference most of the time twice, you

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have a pretty good idea, college football doesn't have that

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luxury right now. And I think it is kind of

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throwing a wrench into our evaluation. And it's why, you know,

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I'm going to submit my playoff prediction bracket here to

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Pete in a few minutes. I don't know where to

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rank these teams. They're all, I mean, outside of Oregon.

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I have no idea who teams two through twelve should be.

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Speaker 1: And so it is.

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Speaker 3: It is a really crazy season. I think it's great

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for the sport as a whole. It makes it very interesting.

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But I think we're going to have a scenario where

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there's gonna be a lot of really good teams that

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get left out of the college football playoff, and there's

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going to be a lot of not so great teams

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that kind of stumble their way to ten or eleven

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wins and end up with a chance of the national title.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's a really good A really

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good point, Sam is you know, when you have the

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NCAA Basketball Tournament, the really good teams are in the field.

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And if you're on the bubble, you've definitely you know,

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you've probably lost ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen games. And that's

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why you're on the web. Well, even if you're probably

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a pretty good team and you play in a great conference,

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you know, a very very good team is not getting

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left out under any circumstance. And with the way these

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schedules have set up and with with the teams, you

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now have that chance where a very good team could

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get left out, maybe because they played a very difficult schedule.

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And you know, there's been people who are who were

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skeptical of of BYU and they lost people that were

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skeptical of Miami, and then they lost a couple of

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weeks ago because of the close games. People skeptical of

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Indiana and they had the close game against Michigan. And

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it's really hard to say, you know, how how these teams,

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you know, stack up against each other. One thing I'm

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positive about is if there's a six way tie in

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the SEC for a six way grouping of ten and

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two teams. You know, not all of those ten and

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two teams are the same. That doesn't just because you

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went ten and two doesn't mean they all should be

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in the playoff. And you know, that's that's another thing

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that's right there, sitting out on the horizon, is hearing

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Greg Sankey go ballistic when a couple of those teams

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get left out of the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean you even had like Missouri

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and Eli Drinkowitz before they lost to South Carolina this

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week and he was saying, hey, man, we're still in it.

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We're still in this thing. Like I guess technically they were,

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But yeah, it does seem almost set up to favor

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either playing It's set up to favor Notre Dame the SEC,

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and then the team that gets the absolute luckiest schedule

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draw and does not play tough non conference. And you know,

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has been lucky at all. I think they've been very,

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very good. But that's kind of like the perfect storm

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for Indiana this year.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: That might happen to one team a year, but probably not.

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It really is just set up for the ten win

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SEC team and the ten win Big Ten team to

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get in, and I think college football fans are just

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going to have to adjust their expectations about what a

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really good football team looks like. We've gotten so used

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to undefeated is the goal for a national champion team,

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and that's really not realistic for most programs. So maybe

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it's on us as a fans to kind of readjust

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our expectations about what a good team looks like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very good, fair point. All right, Matthew. I'm gonna

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turn it over to you as we close out the.

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Speaker 2: Podcast Sam open microphone segment too. I'm going to start

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out this time with my open microphone, and I'm going

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to start out with the homework question, right, and I'm

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going to ask ask you a question. I am a

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Virginia Tech alumnus, as you might know, and uh, I

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have some questions. I have some questions for you about

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Virginia Tech. But it's mostly it's really a longer scale

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type of view. Because I've wrote about this at the

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All Sports Discussion website. Lots of changes are going to

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be happening, and it kind of reminds me of what

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Louisville went through a couple a couple of years ago,

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where you've got a president that's got a contract, university

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president that's got a contract coming up in two and

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a half years. You've got a coach that you can

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correct me if I'm wrong, Sam, I believe his contract

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is up. Is it twenty twenty seven? I think his

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contract is up, prize contract is up, and I think

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the eighties about two years after that, babcock. So you've

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got that situation coming after the first game this year.

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And I'm actually very sorry about serious about this. I

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have this document and at all sports discussion dot com,

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I mentioned that Virginia Tech ceiling. There was enough for

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me in that first game to see that Virginia Tech

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ceiling was going to be seven and five. That's where

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I where I looked at it, because they didn't see

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a whole lot of adjustments from the coaching adjustments from

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the first half. And I'm wondering what your take is

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there on just on really the future of the university

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and athletics in football at Virginia at Virginia Tech. I

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mean a lot of people have mentioned, for example, that

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pribably should make some assistant coaching changes next year. Some

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will say that, others are those are his you know

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those are his people. I've realized I'm asking you a

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big open ended question here, but.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, gosh, you know, Hokies have been thinking

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about this for over a month now, and it does

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feel like the athletic department as a whole has kind

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of hits its plateau and maybe starting to fall off

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the side with with the current athletic department leadership. It's

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really really tough, though, to to go ahead and say, like,

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we need to tear the ship down because we lost

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a bunch of close games, right Like it's a couple

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bounces here or there, and we're talking about how great

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Brent Pray is and how he's resurrecting this program. So

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I don't think you want to burn it all down.

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But there are some issues that start at the top

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with wit Babcock and the way that they kind of

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dealt with Nil and the way that they've kind of

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approached this new era of football that maybe wasn't totally correct,

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and I think maybe they didn't hit on some of

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the hires that they wanted to. And look, Virginia Tech

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is just due for some assistant coaching changes, not only

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because of the performance on the field, but Also, it's

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just the nature of the job market for college football coaches.

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They bounce around every few years, even when things are

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going great. So I think that's just naturally going to happen.

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It's do you make the big decisions right? Do you

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look at different coordinators, do you, you know, potentially say hey,

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Brent pry thinks, but no thanks and move on from

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another direction there. I think these next two games are

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what are going to make that decision, to be quite

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honest with you, Because if Virginia Tech wins these next

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two games that they should be favored in and it

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goes and plays in the god forsaken Military Bowl or

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something like that and wins that game, all of a sudden, it's,

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you know, the message from the football program, the athletic

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department is going to be, Hey, things are great. We

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ended it on a win streak. We had a lot

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of close losses. We're going to be better next year.

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I don't know if Tech fans will be very happy

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with that, but I can I can foresee that future.

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So I think, like like I said, this, this game

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against Duke is really big. It might not be the

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difference between Tech playing in an ACC championship game or not,

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but it does feel like Virginia Tech is at a

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tipping point with the athletic department, especially football.

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Speaker 2: Very very good answer. What do you got for us?

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You get another open Mike sam.

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh ah so quick, quick hitters. I'm an Oregon believer.

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I placed the bet on them to win the National

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title and I'm feeling pretty good about that right now. Actually,

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and Ashton genty for Heisman. I understand how special Travis

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Hunter is, but what Ashton Gentsy is doing is historic

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on so so many levels, and I just think he

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absolutely deserves it because that dude is unbelievable. And I'm

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sticking by that no matter how many interceptions get Travis

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Hunter gets. I'm saying with Ashton, Jenny Forer Heisman in

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Oregon for the Natty. Those my two big ones. And

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then I'd also say I'd expect Virginia Tech to play

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pretty well on Saturday Night. Historically, they've been good with

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their back against the wall. They're coming off a bye week,

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really good off of a bye week before they played

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Boston College. So I think the HOKI is gonna look

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pretty good on Saturday Night.

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Speaker 2: And I expected Virginia Tech probably to have a home

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game a duke, right, Sam.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm driving. It's about gosh, I don't know, terms

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about three hours from my house. I'll be down there

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with my dad. Yeah, it's gonna be a whole lot

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of orange and maroon.

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna be sitting in the new deck that

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they have there, Sam, No, I.

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Speaker 3: Think my tickets are like all the way at the end.

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I'm basically in the back of the end zone on

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like where that little bowl is on Virginia Tech's sideline.

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So it's a not a terrible stadium to watch a game.

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It's so small that every seat is kind of a

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decent seat. But I don't care if I have to

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watch the game with binoculars. If they win, I'm good

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with it.

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Speaker 2: Outstanding, outstanding. I'll just say one other thing. Make sure

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you watch, Sam and Jeff, make sure you watch. This

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will be my open mic. North Dakota is playing South

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Dakota on the road this week. If they win, they

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will get home advantage throughout the entire playoffs because they

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beat South Dakota State earlier in the year of Say,

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if North Dakota State loses South Dakota State, then we'll

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be in the driver's seat to get home field advantage

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from the Missouri Valley. So that's a huge game with

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a huge game with implications here because this might be

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the visor's last year in FCS, and I'm gonna be

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sad to see that.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I mean this is this is Montana State's year,

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right right right right, another love there right, another Bison

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alumna head coach there at Montana State.

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Speaker 1: I think that's wonderful, dude.

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Speaker 3: The FCS needs more attention. I think they need to

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maybe adopt what Conference USA and stuff is adopted with

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some of these midweek games. But the quality of play

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is really fun. Some of these stadiums and fan bases

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are awesome and it's super loud. Like I was watching

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a Montana game a few nights ago, weeks ago, and

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I was like, gosh, it sounds louder than like most

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of the power forward games I listened to today on

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the TV. So FCS needs a little bit more glove

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from the national.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you, Jeff, You're up friend.

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Speaker 1: Well, guys, you know, like I said earlier, college basketball

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season is underway, and you know, we're pretty positive here

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on this on this podcast talking about the ACC but

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basketball season has quietly not started well for the conference.

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They're starting to rack up quite a few out of

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conference losses without very many noteworthy wins, unfortunately. And you

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start at the top. You know, North Carolina, you know,

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no shame in going to Kansas and you know, losing

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a game there. Jayhawks are a number one team in

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the country, but they led that game late, they were

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down twenty and played fantastic in the second half. And

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I mean, I think North Carolina is a very legitimate,

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you know team, a top fifteen team, no question about it.

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But they led Kansas late and they could have won

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that game and it got away from him. And then

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you go to Duke, who basically clearly were more talented

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than Kentucky in that game, had a nine point lead

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at the half, and then came to the final few

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minutes of the game. And you know, when you have

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the expectations a player like Cooper flag has, I mean,

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they're just through the roof. He's seventeen years old, and

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you know he's going to be a fantastic player, probably

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the number one or number two you know, draft pick.

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When he comes comes out and he's just putting out

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eye popping stats already. But at the end of that game,

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and I put this a lot on John Shire Cooper

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Flagg did not handle the situation very well. He had

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a couple turnovers, struggled there in the last ninety minutes,

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and Duke let what would have been probably a pretty good,

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you know, Q one win get away from Kentucky and

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and and John Shire. He's starting to get a little

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bit of a reputation, you know, of a of a

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Brian Kelly or James Franklin, where you know, he's gonna

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win twenty five game, They're gonna win a ton of games.

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Duke's gonna be a top three seed, you know, but

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he has you know, is he gonna be able to

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coach Duke to that next level? And he was not

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very good. He got really out coached by the Kentucky

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head guy, Pope, you know, with a team of complete

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roster turnover at Kentucky, and and was completely out coached

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by him. And and that's a concern I think for Duke.

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And then you go further down on the list. Clemson

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today going on to going to Boise State, maybe the

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top team in the Mountain West, but they were they

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were thoroughly handled on the road and that game lost

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by by thirteen. Georgia Tech already with a couple home

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losses to North Florida and Georgia at home really one

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of the early disappointments of the season. Virginia Tech, sorry, guys,

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you know, looked really bad against Penn State. You have Syracuse,

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they're three and oh, but they've got They've had to

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go down to the final seconds with with some really

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inferior competition. And I mean, honestly, I think the only

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team that is really, you know, exceeded expectation it's Pittsburgh,

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Who's they've blown out everyone they have played. They had

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West Virginia at home and absolutely destroyed West Virginia. Virginia

503
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,839
picked up a pretty decent win over a team with

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some talent, but it's struggling still. But you know, they

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cruised against Villanova, but the number of quality wins just

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has not been there for the ACC teams. And wake

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Forest beat Michigan, which was probably one of the better

508
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quality wins, comes back and get stumped by Xavier, so

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they couldn't build on any momentum there. And you just

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have these kind of losses are all over the schedule.

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So now as we get into the you know, the

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preseason tournament schedule, there's going to be a number of

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more opportunities for the ACC to try to pick up

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you know, some quality wins, and they got to do it.

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Are we going to be stuck where we've been like

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the last three or four years, where you know, the

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ACC is struggling to get you know, more than a

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handful of bids to the tournament and then you know,

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they play really great in the tournament, which is fantastic,

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but the number of bids is getting decided, you know,

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in these November and December games, and and the ACC

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just honestly has not played well collectively as a as

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a conference in the early going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, did Tech doesn't look great right now, but they're

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a really young team and they have a lot of

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room to grow. I think they're going to get better

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each and every week. But they weren't ready for a

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test like Penn State. And that's kind of what the

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aec I feel like needs in order to boost resumes.

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They need teams like Virginia Tech, Boston College, maybe throwing

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Florida State in there, like some of these programs that

532
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:24,440
don't normally win as much they need them to be serviceable,

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00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:27,880
good teams, and right now, I don't think they're doing

534
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,599
that at all. Like Boston College hasn't looked good. They

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00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,039
played VCU in a preseason tournament, They've lost a game

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00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:37,880
by like thirty, like it was not remotely close. And

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I do think the ACC is starting to fall behind

538
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:45,039
a bit in basketball. I think that's where you're seeing

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00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,720
the TV money that football is bringing in that disparaging.

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I think it's showing up on the hardwood more than

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it is the football field, to be honest with you.

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So I'll be interested to see what college basketball season

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looks like. But it's early, it's right, so there's a

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lot of opportunity for some of these teams to make

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a statement.

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Speaker 1: Definite, definitely, Sam. I mean it's it's it's too it's

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far too early to press the panic button. But the

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conference needs needs to kind of make a move pretty soon,

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uh and start picking up some wins, and there'll be opportunities,

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you know, the ACC SEC challenges coming up. There's plenty

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of tournament games, uh, preseason tournament games to try to

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pick up some quality, quality wins. But the last seven

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ten days not not so good for the ACC. MH.

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Speaker 2: Sam, thank you so much for joining us this Sunday

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evening and spending your Sunday evening with us on the podcast,

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and we would love to have you come on again sometimes.

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00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:51,880
Thanks so much, Ben.

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Speaker 3: Hey anytime fellas, you'll have a good evening.

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Speaker 2: Take care every great week, guys,