Speaker 1: Hey guys, Hey guys, and welcome to episode forty five
Speaker 1: of a Strange Thing Podcast. Strange Thing Podcast. I'm Mike
Speaker 1: and I'm Austin, and we're your hosts for this auspicious occasion.
Speaker 2: Not the austitious occasion, but the auspicious O auspicious.
Speaker 1: I don't know that word means. I hear you say
Speaker 1: it sometimes, auspicious. Yeah, I don't know. That's a cool word.
Speaker 1: Sounds cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So what are we going to be talking about tonight, Austin.
Speaker 1: Oh, you know, like fashion and stuff. Something really lighthearted, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: super calm and it is peaceful, fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, actually we're going to take on a very heavy subject.
Speaker 1: Oh boy.
Speaker 2: We're going to try to make it something that even
Speaker 2: though it's heavy, that maybe there's a little bit of.
Speaker 1: Joy that we can bring out of it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: keep it light.
Speaker 2: I mean, you got to. I mean, this is a
Speaker 2: heavy topic. A lot of people, I would say the
Speaker 2: majority of the people that are listening to our podcast
Speaker 2: right now are dealing with this in some way or
Speaker 2: know somebody who is dealing with this in some way.
Speaker 1: They've definitely encountered it, definitely.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the reason we're going to jump into this
Speaker 2: is we're actually going to go somewhere with it, but
Speaker 2: we're going to start. We're going to start from the
Speaker 2: area where it impacts us personally, and they're going to
Speaker 2: work backwards to the more strange origins of how this
Speaker 2: might have come to impact us.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so it's starting with reality.
Speaker 2: We're going to start right here because you know, I
Speaker 2: have a personal stake in this right now, and so
Speaker 2: you I do, and I figure, man, you know, I've
Speaker 2: talked to so many people that have personal stakes in
Speaker 2: this topic.
Speaker 1: Are we being cryptic for a reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna get there. We're gonna we're gonna tell
Speaker 2: people what it is. But but yeah, we're being cryptic
Speaker 2: now because it's a heavy topic.
Speaker 1: We're being mysterious. And if we are mysterious, and if
Speaker 1: we just.
Speaker 2: Say it, it's gonna get a reaction from people. So
Speaker 2: I want to like eliminate or at least kind of
Speaker 2: minimize that reaction by talking about it in this cryptic way.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say it real quick, Okay, rib flapping.
Speaker 2: Riboflavin, let's talk. Well, let's say this. This is still
Speaker 2: kind of cryptic, but it's one hundred per cent year.
Speaker 2: Let's say misformed protein molecules.
Speaker 1: Wow, that was close when I.
Speaker 2: Said misformed protein. Let's talk about that, Okay, but first
Speaker 2: let's talk about it in a little bit different angle.
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, So we've mentioned over the last few
Speaker 2: episodes how I've been going to my hometown and down
Speaker 2: there for a couple of days almost every week, and
Speaker 2: I've been doing that to help out my dad. And
Speaker 2: we mentioned that my dad is struggling with his memory
Speaker 2: and he's having a hard time, and he was diagnosed
Speaker 2: with dementia or Alzheimer's, and you know, he's not in
Speaker 2: the later stages of it. He's probably in the mid stages.
Speaker 2: So he isn't aware necessarily of how much he's forgotten,
Speaker 2: but most of what he forgets is the here and now.
Speaker 2: He remembers things from the past, but he doesn't remember
Speaker 2: what he did five minutes ago, ten minutes ago, two
Speaker 2: hours ago, two days ago.
Speaker 1: He remembers his favorite meal, but not when he had
Speaker 1: it last right exactly. Now.
Speaker 2: I got to say, too, my dad's awesome. He is
Speaker 2: such a trooper. And when I go down there, he
Speaker 2: is happy, he's content. For the most part, he doesn't
Speaker 2: act like he hurts.
Speaker 1: He's definitely a hunky dory kind of guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very optimistic, and you know, I guess there's
Speaker 2: a little bit of blessing in that because he doesn't remember.
Speaker 1: How much he's forgotten, and if.
Speaker 2: He does have issues where he thinks about something and
Speaker 2: he wonders about it, he soon forgets it. So there's
Speaker 2: a little bit of something there that's kind of I
Speaker 2: don't know, what would you say, an anesthetic to the
Speaker 2: trauma that could be there if he remembered and knew
Speaker 2: what was going on with himself.
Speaker 1: I heard somebody say one time, and I think it's
Speaker 1: the cats out of the bag at this point. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Our topic is going to be about this whole Alzheimer's
Speaker 1: and dementia thing and.
Speaker 2: The connection of more strange things with it. But we're
Speaker 2: starting here.
Speaker 1: But what I was saying before is I heard somebody
Speaker 1: say one time that their parents have Alzheimer's or something.
Speaker 1: Instead of taking it personally and thinking about how, you know,
Speaker 1: they forgot this thing in my life, our kids or whatever,
Speaker 1: they just said, it's like being able to make their
Speaker 1: day several times a day. Yeah, instead of it's not
Speaker 1: you know, you can show them the same picture of
Speaker 1: your kids five times and they're still getting that same
Speaker 1: positive reaction.
Speaker 2: They get a joyful reaction every time you show them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's true, and the inverse is true too, And you
Speaker 2: got to be careful of this. You do something or
Speaker 2: say something that makes them feel sadness that will happen
Speaker 2: over and over again every time you tell them. I
Speaker 2: have a lot of friends who have dealt with this
Speaker 2: topic in their close families, you know, their parents.
Speaker 1: I'm that age.
Speaker 2: I guess where my parents are getting pretty old, and
Speaker 2: the percentage of people in their old age that deal
Speaker 2: with either dementia or Alzheimer's or some other kind of
Speaker 2: memory brain malady is quite a high percentage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel like it's going up. Like when
Speaker 1: I was younger, it sounds very insensitive, but like you know,
Speaker 1: junior high in high school, like Alzheimer's was a thing
Speaker 1: where people just forget stuff and like, oh, you're you're senile,
Speaker 1: You're you have dementia or you know, just kind of
Speaker 1: like you dumbed it down, And it wasn't anything I've
Speaker 1: ever encountered. It was just something we talked about maybe
Speaker 1: in like health class or something, you know, and then
Speaker 1: now it seems like just about everybody I know pretty close,
Speaker 1: I guess they have an interaction with this particular illness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, particular this disease, this malady.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's weird because I growing up it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like we talked about it once. It's a
Speaker 1: thing that can happen and then just disappeared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and it's a little different than like
Speaker 2: what I was raised with. So, you know, my grandparents
Speaker 2: they lived into their nineties on the on my dad's side,
Speaker 2: and when when they got older, they had a little
Speaker 2: bit of I guess she would classify it as dementia
Speaker 2: where they would you know, forget things and they couldn't
Speaker 2: remember what day it was. But they functioned really well,
Speaker 2: and you know, they were in their nineties and so
Speaker 2: they didn't have like what would be characterized now as
Speaker 2: a diagnosis of Alzheimer's. They would have like a mild dementia.
Speaker 2: And then on my mom's side, my grandma, as she
Speaker 2: got older, she probably had a little dementia too, and
Speaker 2: it was kind of a strange thing, but at the
Speaker 2: same time, she wasn't really degenerative. It wasn't like she
Speaker 2: totally forgot that she was a human. She was able
Speaker 2: to function. She still did things, but.
Speaker 1: She lived in a little world.
Speaker 2: Her world got smaller, but she lived fine in it.
Speaker 2: She would think she was going down to a cafe
Speaker 2: to have coffee, but really she was just walking down
Speaker 2: to a place at the retirement center where she lived,
Speaker 2: and to her that was a cafe because she'd gone
Speaker 2: to a cafe and had coffee every morning of her
Speaker 2: life since she was probably fourteen, and so in her.
Speaker 1: Mind that was what she was still doing, which you'd
Speaker 1: think is kind of biologically beneficial. Yeah, because the only
Speaker 1: reason I can take care of my son Bennett the
Speaker 1: way I do is because he can't himself and he
Speaker 1: doesn't have the stubbornness yet to confront me on anything
Speaker 1: he doesn't like. You know, there's kind of like his
Speaker 1: ignorance mixed with my ignorance meshes. And as you get older,
Speaker 1: maybe you know at that point you're going to not
Speaker 1: have that function and I'm going to have that ability
Speaker 1: to step up, and well it'll mesh. You know, you think,
Speaker 1: I guess biologically or by design it works with degenerative
Speaker 1: and generative they kind of intersect at multiple points throughout
Speaker 1: somebody's life. So you know, forgetting that you're not at
Speaker 1: the diner makes you happy because you feel like you're
Speaker 1: at the diner anyway, right, And then it makes it
Speaker 1: easier on your cas because they don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about you not being happy and etc.
Speaker 2: Well, that's one thing about my dad that makes it
Speaker 2: such a blessing. It could be so horrible, but when
Speaker 2: I go down there, you know, he's pretty happy, and
Speaker 2: he asks about things. He asked about you, he asked
Speaker 2: about other people. So he hasn't got so far yet
Speaker 2: in this process that he doesn't remember anything. He knows
Speaker 2: who I am still, But if he does have Alzheimer's,
Speaker 2: that will degenerate more and more until finally he won't
Speaker 2: know me anymore. He'll just be kind of sitting there
Speaker 2: in a vegetative state. Now, your great grandmother on your
Speaker 2: mom's side had Alzheimer's, and she.
Speaker 1: Forgot those things completely.
Speaker 2: She would sit and she would make noises, but she
Speaker 2: couldn't talk anymore. She couldn't communicate, and it was a
Speaker 2: really hard deal.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, sounds awful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know that's one thing as we talk
Speaker 2: about this topic, I want to be really sensitive because
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have experiences, so I
Speaker 2: want to be really sensitive for those. We're gonna try
Speaker 2: to have fun, which sounds like it's impossible, but we're
Speaker 2: gonna try to have fun. Well, we've got to bring
Speaker 2: joy in the areas where we can find it. We've
Speaker 2: got to bring it out. And if that's just laughter
Speaker 2: or a smile because there's nothing else you can do,
Speaker 2: then so be it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: But you know, I wanted to get into this topic
Speaker 2: because it is going to connect maybe not this episode,
Speaker 2: but down the road, it's going to connect to our
Speaker 2: topics of other strange things.
Speaker 1: And to clarify, the route we take are other strange things.
Speaker 1: They're not your typical route, and we're not making light
Speaker 1: of these things by taking that route. It's just in
Speaker 1: the spirit of a strange thing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: We take our seriousness pretty seriously, but we don't want
Speaker 1: to make light of anything by our next avenue. And
Speaker 1: we're not gonna we're dealing with this in our real
Speaker 1: life right now, so we're obviously not just dumbing it
Speaker 1: down to be like, well.
Speaker 2: You know, honestly, if I if I might say and
Speaker 2: be one hundred percent honest. This is a therapeutic way
Speaker 2: for me to deal with what's going on with my family,
Speaker 2: what's going on with my dad, what went on with
Speaker 2: my mother in law, went on with my grandparents.
Speaker 1: And it's a way for me.
Speaker 2: And as I see myself getting older, you know, I
Speaker 2: wonder what's in store for me, and so this is
Speaker 2: a therapeutic way for me to deal with it. And
Speaker 2: I want to think about it logically. But I'm a
Speaker 2: strange guy. I like strange things. But I'm also a
Speaker 2: happy guy, and so I got to bring in joy
Speaker 2: and happiness where I can, and that's what we're going
Speaker 2: to try to do.
Speaker 1: Sweet. So you said that you think that the.
Speaker 2: Incidence of these kinds of maladies of Alzheimer's and dementia
Speaker 2: is much more than.
Speaker 1: It was when you were a kid. I feel that way,
Speaker 1: But maybe it's just my awareness of elderly people and having,
Speaker 1: you know, my age group, having grandparents that are, you know,
Speaker 1: getting up there in years where when I was younger,
Speaker 1: my grandparents were like your age.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Well, you're you're correct, and it could be that maybe
Speaker 2: we're just better at diagnosing now than we used to
Speaker 2: be or whatever. But the diagnoses of Alzheimer's, especially early
Speaker 2: onset Alzheimer's, which is Alzheimer's that develops some people before
Speaker 2: the age of sixty five, is off the charts.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: It is crazy.
Speaker 2: And like in the United Kingdom right now, Alzheimer's is
Speaker 2: the number one killer of women.
Speaker 1: In the UK, really the number one.
Speaker 2: The number one kills more people than cancer. It kills
Speaker 2: more people than heart disease. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing. In men in the UK it's the
Speaker 1: number two killer, heart disease, number one, I think. So,
Speaker 1: So where's COVID fall into this category? Number nine million?
Speaker 2: I don't know for this year, it might be the
Speaker 2: highest because everybody dies of COVID right.
Speaker 1: Now, even if he had Alzheimer's. But yeah, really got
Speaker 1: it wasn't Yeah, I don't know. Okay, let's not go
Speaker 1: down insert political let's not go down that rabbit hole
Speaker 1: right now. But you're right, it is a huge killer
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: And by the year twenty forty, they say Alzheimer's will
Speaker 2: be the number one killer in the world.
Speaker 1: Across the entire planet.
Speaker 2: Wow, more people will be dying of Alzheimer's than all cancer.
Speaker 1: That's like a projection data thing they like take the past.
Speaker 2: And yeah, in fact, I'll throw some of the links
Speaker 2: up on our website if you want to check it out,
Speaker 2: and it has some of that information in there.
Speaker 1: It's really scary. So sounds terrifying, it is. It's scary
Speaker 1: in twenty forty. That's in twenty well, that's in nineteen
Speaker 1: nineteen years. That's an eighteen nineteen years. Eighteen years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, eighteen years and one day and one day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're tomorrow is Year's Eve, Yeah, the eve of New
Speaker 1: Year's Eve. Yeah, so we're going to see throughout the
Speaker 1: next twenty years. This is going to be a bigger
Speaker 1: and bigger deal.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: One thing strange about Alzheimer's is that it's not treatable yet.
Speaker 2: All of the other things that people die of, heart disease, cancer,
Speaker 2: there are strategies to treat these things. There really isn't
Speaker 2: anything you can do with Alzheimer's. There are drugs that
Speaker 2: say that might kind of slow it down or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that does.
Speaker 2: I've heard that although although no, this is a funny thought.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's bring out some joy here, I bring out
Speaker 1: the joy.
Speaker 2: There's actually an article that just those last couple of
Speaker 2: weeks that came out about.
Speaker 1: Treating elderly people with.
Speaker 2: Dementia and Alzheimer's with viagra. What that actually is. It
Speaker 2: helps their cognitive function and actually it seems to be
Speaker 2: kind of help them to remember better and maybe even
Speaker 2: rolling back some of the damage to their brains.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, all that extra blood flow or something. Yeah, something.
Speaker 2: But I also heard this is a bad thing because
Speaker 2: I also heard that one of the highest incidents of
Speaker 2: STDs is in like, yeah, now we're gonna give all
Speaker 2: viagra and then, oh.
Speaker 1: Boy, here's a bag of condoms and a bottle of viagra.
Speaker 1: This is so awful, But hey, it's kind of funny.
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny. That's a terrible recipe. We were
Speaker 1: just talking about something, speaking of I get it doesn't
Speaker 1: sound so bad. Yeah, we were just talking about condoms.
Speaker 1: We weren't, you were. I'm in a way condoms came up,
Speaker 1: no pun intended in a conversation. And I'm sure people
Speaker 1: have heard this before, but what a terrible name for
Speaker 1: condoms is trojan because like the Trojan horse. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a thing that it did the opposite of
Speaker 1: what you were using. This particular device for it.
Speaker 2: Enters the gates and then lets all their buddies, all
Speaker 2: the little dudes get out.
Speaker 1: That's not a good metal for surprise are where is
Speaker 1: the egg? Okay, all right, all right, Grandma, let's go
Speaker 1: where is the egg?
Speaker 2: I thought maybe I was going to have to describe
Speaker 2: the birds and the bees to you again.
Speaker 1: How this works here? You have this blanks were grinding.
Speaker 2: Dogs were so yeah, but anyway, okay, let's go back. Okay,
Speaker 2: we're talking about serious stuff here. So, yeah, Alzheimer's is
Speaker 2: going to be the number one, and I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about early onset. Early onset can start like in the thirties,
Speaker 2: and it can go all the way to sixty five.
Speaker 2: But then you have Alzheimer's that is diagnosed later in life,
Speaker 2: and that's just called Alzheimer's, and those two together will
Speaker 2: claim more lives than any other disease or any other reason.
Speaker 1: Projection is, Yeah, that's great. By twenty forty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not fun to think about. But okay,
Speaker 2: let's talk a little bit about Alzheimer's.
Speaker 3: What it is.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's different than like some other brain maladies, but
Speaker 2: it has similarities to some things that are really awful diseases.
Speaker 1: So it's not really like drain damage related.
Speaker 2: No, what it is and they're learning more all the
Speaker 2: time and they're starting to make connections and stuff. But
Speaker 2: what it is, it's a misshaped protein inside of a
Speaker 2: cell that is normal. It starts out normal and then
Speaker 2: for some reason, it folds in on itself and then
Speaker 2: when it does that, it affects other proteins inside the
Speaker 2: cell around it, and then they fold and they create
Speaker 2: these masses called fibrils. Fibrils, I think they called amyloids amyloids.
Speaker 1: So what happens is the name of these fibrils.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these proteins clump together, they create a rigid mass
Speaker 2: that they call amyloids, and they basically destroy the cell.
Speaker 2: It's like an avalanche. It's like an exponential explosion. It's
Speaker 2: like they affect other cells, and those affect other cells,
Speaker 2: and eventually the patient's brain and nervous system is affected
Speaker 2: and they expire because they lose their ability to control
Speaker 2: their body, and their brain cannot make the connections through
Speaker 2: the neural pathways to all of the important organs of
Speaker 2: the body, and so you die. And it's really a horrible,
Speaker 2: horrible death. I mean people who have had Alzheimer's and
Speaker 2: watch their loved ones slowly lose their memories and then
Speaker 2: lose themselves. It's really really sad. But it's a process
Speaker 2: that can take years, and then there's like the early
Speaker 2: stages of Alzheimer's, and then it progresses and then it
Speaker 2: gets worse and worse until finally they die. That process,
Speaker 2: that physiological process, is still a mystery.
Speaker 1: They don't know why.
Speaker 2: Those proteins inside of a cell suddenly decide to fold
Speaker 2: over on themselves, yes, and basically kind of activate. They
Speaker 2: deform and activate, and then they're not sure how all
Speaker 2: that spreads out to the other cells around it. But
Speaker 2: it's progressive, you know. Some of it they think is genetic.
Speaker 2: Some of it could be environmental. You know, the food
Speaker 2: you eat, whatever makes you more susceptible to that. And
Speaker 2: you can get online and find all kinds of information.
Speaker 2: Some of it's disinformation. People trying to sell products that
Speaker 2: cures everything. I mean, that's so annoying.
Speaker 1: Crystals, crystals, I mean everything, and you know, the to Alzheimer's,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's just taking people at their sickest
Speaker 1: for their money. Yeah, that's they're most desperate. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: pretty bad. I hate that stuff. That's the worst thing
Speaker 1: about like those telemarketers. Yeah, it's like you worry about
Speaker 1: that about like grandpa. He's like, hey, we need your
Speaker 1: bank account information because your car warranty isn't working. And
Speaker 1: he's like, oh no, my car warranty. And then next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, oh, well, what terrible are people?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 2: No, it's like the guy who came and sold my
Speaker 2: dad a vacuum. He doesn't even have carpet in the
Speaker 2: areas anymore, and hard ones.
Speaker 1: He's got central vac He's got a central vacxis, which
Speaker 1: is better than a dorky little closet sells.
Speaker 2: Them like a what was it, a four thousand dollars vacuum.
Speaker 2: We actually went after the guy and got dad's money.
Speaker 1: Back, did you we did? With a baseball back. I wish,
Speaker 1: you know, if I would have.
Speaker 2: But this was, you know, this was a while, so
Speaker 2: this was when things we were just starting to notice
Speaker 2: things weren't quite Yeah, yeah, we just were. We weren't
Speaker 2: sure what was going on. But and he felt kind
Speaker 2: of dumb about it. I remember he felt like like
Speaker 2: he hadn't made very good decisions, but he was aware
Speaker 2: and then we were able to go after the guy
Speaker 2: and he gave us our money when we threatened to
Speaker 2: get the cops involved and all kinds of stuff. But anyway,
Speaker 2: we got his money back and it all was okay.
Speaker 2: But that clued us into something was wrong, along with
Speaker 2: the fact that my dad, who used to be a
Speaker 2: pretty good driver, got into a head on collision.
Speaker 1: And totaled his car. Yeah, I kind of remember that,
Speaker 1: and we were like, what is going on?
Speaker 2: And then we found out that my dad he owned
Speaker 2: a rental property and there was a family living there
Speaker 2: and we discovered that they hadn't paid rent for a
Speaker 2: year and a half.
Speaker 1: Nice stand up.
Speaker 2: And then Dad was kind of unaware of it, and
Speaker 2: we were like, what is going on with Dad? Because
Speaker 2: he was like the biggest pin pincher.
Speaker 1: You remember the belt bargains Belt bargains, Yeah, where you
Speaker 1: had to eat all your food and if you didn't,
Speaker 1: you'd get the belt. I never got that. I was
Speaker 1: a grand kid. Well, he wouldn't really do it, he'd
Speaker 1: just threaten you with Now. I remember we'd go to Wendy's,
Speaker 1: oh random, like maybe a Saturday, I'll take you all
Speaker 1: to Wendy's. We'd go to Wendy's and he'd harass some
Speaker 1: lady about a tattoo on her arm or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he'd say, you get four dollars. Yep, you
Speaker 1: each get four dollars for the dollar menu. You get
Speaker 1: a pick wisely four items.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: It's like chicken nuggets and chicken nuggets, french fry, frosty
Speaker 1: every time. You do that with me too.
Speaker 2: But he'd take it somewhere and he'd say, Okay, I'll
Speaker 2: buy your hamburger. Yeah, and you and your sister can
Speaker 2: split a fry.
Speaker 1: If you want a drink, your own drink. You're buying
Speaker 1: your own Yep. That's what he did. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he was a penny pincher, but all of a
Speaker 2: sudden he wasn't aware of his you know, his money
Speaker 2: and people that owed him money. And then you remember
Speaker 2: your second cousin, Russell called shout out to Russell.
Speaker 1: And Kelly if you're listening, but he's just cousin in law. Yeah,
Speaker 1: cousin second. I'm not sure how that works. Hunting Buddy
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, or some tony old hunting buddy, But anyway,
Speaker 2: that's a different story. But Russell came up and he
Speaker 2: wanted to go up in the South Hills and I
Speaker 2: think ride his bike or something, and so he borrowed
Speaker 2: my dad's little pickup and he went up in the
Speaker 2: South Hills and he was coming back and he got
Speaker 2: pulled over because he had expired plates. And not only
Speaker 2: were the plates expired, but they had been expired for
Speaker 2: like two years. So the cop was nice and let
Speaker 2: him go, and he came home and told us the story,
Speaker 2: and we got looking. All of the car's license plates
Speaker 2: had expired. The registrations were.
Speaker 1: Like old, great, and We're like, what in the world
Speaker 1: is going on? This is so unlike my dad. So
Speaker 1: those were the first cues.
Speaker 2: Now, at the time, my mom was alive, and so
Speaker 2: she was making up for the forgetfulness that he had.
Speaker 1: I mean, she covered a lot. But when my mom
Speaker 1: passed away, all of a sudden, we were thrown right
Speaker 1: into the reality that my dad wasn't Something wasn't right
Speaker 1: with my dad anyo. And the trauma probably losing he
Speaker 1: experienced too, probably was a little bit of a kickstarter. Maybe. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think all of that together are a perfect storm.
Speaker 2: So anyway, now March forward, three years and here we are,
Speaker 2: and now I'm going down because my dad, he still
Speaker 2: thinks he goes out and drives his truck and mows
Speaker 2: the yard and pitters around outside in the yard and
Speaker 2: fixes things in the corrals and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: My dad hasn't gone outside and done anything like that
Speaker 2: for probably two years, but in his mind he does
Speaker 2: it every day. And in his mind he goes to
Speaker 2: church every Sunday. He probably hasn't gone to church for
Speaker 2: a year. And as far as like, you know, he
Speaker 2: doesn't dress. You know, he wears sweats and T shirts
Speaker 2: and the same ones until finally you you have to
Speaker 2: like totally kind of fight him to get in to
Speaker 2: take a shower because he in his mind he thinks
Speaker 2: he's showering all the time.
Speaker 1: Luckily, he's got a box of a strange thing T
Speaker 1: shirts in his basement to go through.
Speaker 2: I left a box of our shirts there and he
Speaker 2: found them, and yeah, that was a treasure. He wear
Speaker 2: a new one every day, perfect. Yeah, yeah, good times.
Speaker 2: In fact, we installed some cameras in like some of
Speaker 2: the most common areas of Dad's house so we could
Speaker 2: kind of make sure he doesn't fall and hurt himself
Speaker 2: or do something bad. I see him walking around in
Speaker 2: the strange thing t shirts all the time, and it
Speaker 2: just makes me have a warm Fuzzy's sportive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my dad loves our show. He's never heard it,
Speaker 1: but he loves our shot. No he has. He has
Speaker 1: listened to it as Yeah, the because he was on
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, we had him do. Little Orphanani Finana
Speaker 1: hind our house to stay to wash the dishes and
Speaker 1: wipe the cobwebs away. I'm gonna play it right here.
Speaker 3: Little or Fananni by an old guy named John when
Speaker 3: he learned it in the fifth grade. Many years beyond,
Speaker 3: here we go, Little Orfananti comes to our house to
Speaker 3: stay to wash the cups and saucers up and brush
Speaker 3: the crumbs away, to shoes and chickens off the porch,
Speaker 3: and clean the hearth, and make the beds in her
Speaker 3: board and keep and all this other children. When the
Speaker 3: supper dishes are done, we sit around the kitchen fire
Speaker 3: and had the most is fun listening to the ghost tails,
Speaker 3: and said Granny Tael about and the gobblins that get
Speaker 3: you if you don't watch out. There was a little
Speaker 3: boy who never said his prayers and he had to
Speaker 3: go to bed, and way upstairs, his mama heard him holler,
Speaker 3: and his pappy heard him scream, And when they turned
Speaker 3: the covers down, he wasn't there at all. They seeked
Speaker 3: him in the rafter room and cubby hole and press.
Speaker 3: They seeked him in the living room and everywhere, I guess,
Speaker 3: but all they ever found of him was his pants
Speaker 3: and roundabout. And the goblins will get you if you
Speaker 3: don't watch out. There was a little girl who always
Speaker 3: laughed in grin and made fun of everyone in all
Speaker 3: her blood and kin. And once when there was company
Speaker 3: and all folks was there, she mocked them, and she
Speaker 3: shocked them and said she didn't care at this. She
Speaker 3: kicked her heels to start to run and hide. There
Speaker 3: was two big old black things that standing by her side.
Speaker 3: They snatched her through the ceiling before she knowed what
Speaker 3: she was about. And the goblins will get you if
Speaker 3: you don't watch out, little arf, And Nanni says, when
Speaker 3: the blaze is blue and the lamp sputters and the
Speaker 3: wind goes woo, you better mind your parents and your teachers.
Speaker 3: Fond the deer and cherish him to love you, and
Speaker 3: dry the orphan's tear and help the poor Aniti that
Speaker 3: cussed her all about. Or the goblins will get you
Speaker 3: if you don't watch out.
Speaker 1: I love that. That's a great poem.
Speaker 2: He used to tell that around the campfire, and it
Speaker 2: would scare the crap out of me.
Speaker 1: We had a lot of fires at his house too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he liked to have bonfires.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the woodstove in the basement. Yep, so we
Speaker 1: I mean I was in charge. I was fireman, fire starter.
Speaker 1: I believe that was my job the half of my
Speaker 1: life at least.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and carrying wood in from the outside and stuff.
Speaker 1: And you'd always be like, you get three matches. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you don't, you can't start the fire. And three matches,
Speaker 1: your whole family's going to freeze to death. I had
Speaker 1: a canned propane torch man. No, I was gonna light
Speaker 1: that secret. I didn't even need newspaper. I just burn
Speaker 1: the wood. Nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, here are the good things, the
Speaker 2: good memories again about it, very serious and sad topic.
Speaker 2: One thing about it is, you know, if you love
Speaker 2: your relatives or the person that you're dealing with, it's
Speaker 2: going through this stuff. You've got to like saturate your
Speaker 2: life with these good memories, right because if you don't,
Speaker 2: it's so discouraging and it could be so overwhelming, and
Speaker 2: it's hard. It's a lot of work. It's a lot
Speaker 2: of work. I mean, I know there are a lot
Speaker 2: of husbands that are dealing with that with their wives,
Speaker 2: and a lot of wives that are dealing with that
Speaker 2: with their husbands, and they don't know how long they
Speaker 2: can keep it up and keep doing it, because at
Speaker 2: some point they're going to have to go into a
Speaker 2: home where somebody can keep them clean and fed so
Speaker 2: they don't hurt. And I think that's the biggest thing
Speaker 2: right now where I'm at, we're walking this line. We're
Speaker 2: trying to keep Dad in his house where he's comfortable
Speaker 2: and where he kind of knows where he's at, because
Speaker 2: we know as soon as we take him away and
Speaker 2: put him someplace where he's not aware, then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, it's going to be hard, and at some
Speaker 2: point they're going to have to make that hard decision.
Speaker 2: My loved one is going to be better off somewhere
Speaker 2: where people can help them twenty four to seven, where
Speaker 2: they can make sure that they're getting fed and they're
Speaker 2: not sitting there in soiled clothes and getting bed sores.
Speaker 2: And that is such a hard thing because I mean,
Speaker 2: this is the person you care about and love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, especially in not to be like too personal,
Speaker 1: but in this situation that you're dealing with, we're dealing
Speaker 1: with it's like his homestead. It's like, is a lot
Speaker 1: of his memories, maybe most are in this house.
Speaker 2: They built that house in nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 1: And it was a it was a big lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got more memories there than most places in my life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me too, I bet you that place is. Honestly, that
Speaker 1: house is probably the most constant thing that I've had
Speaker 1: as far as memories go. Christmas and because we moved
Speaker 1: a lot, our family did, we'd always go there for
Speaker 1: We'd always go there for Christmas and holidays. Plus we
Speaker 1: lived there for a while, we did, and I'd always
Speaker 1: shoot my baby guns there, So I have a lot
Speaker 1: of memories there. I can't imagine having built had one
Speaker 1: of your.
Speaker 2: Most terrifying memories there of the children of the corn
Speaker 2: next door afraid.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you were a child of signs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was an alien running through there and
Speaker 2: you were afraid. Well yeah, but yeah, that's the place
Speaker 2: where all of my dad's memories are tied. Well not
Speaker 2: all of them, but you know, the vast majority of
Speaker 2: his memories took place in those in that location.
Speaker 1: Just to clarify, we've told the Signs story, right, I
Speaker 1: think so? Yeah, long story short. I was what how old?
Speaker 1: Nine nine nine? This movie Signs with Mel Gibson came out.
Speaker 1: Really good movie. It is really really good movie. And
Speaker 1: the aliens are actually demons. The angels are demons. The
Speaker 1: aliens are demons.
Speaker 2: Oh the aliens you said angels. Yeah, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: The aliens are demons. And I've kind of figured that
Speaker 1: out over the years, which made it even probably more scary.
Speaker 1: But we lived on a cornfield and this movie takes
Speaker 1: place around a cornfield, and we drove home from that
Speaker 1: movie and it.
Speaker 2: Just was so the room that you lived in at
Speaker 2: the time, you could like open the curtains and look
Speaker 2: out and stare at a field of corn Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just it was bad. I remember that. That
Speaker 1: was so funny. Yeah, traumatized. Maybe the first and only
Speaker 1: movie I've been actually scared of, because I've been pretty
Speaker 1: brave in movies. Jurassic Park, when I was like two.
Speaker 1: Well that one was like a creep fest. I mean
Speaker 1: it was. It was jump scare and like many little
Speaker 1: like the hand that comes out of under the door. Oh,
Speaker 1: the grabs the kid on the face and.
Speaker 2: And tried to inject the the whatever poisonous gas in
Speaker 2: and whatever it is. And then the other hand that
Speaker 2: comes out underneath the door and he chops.
Speaker 1: The fingers off, and then later that one comes back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't wasn't he the director or the writer m I
Speaker 1: Shyamalan Shyamalan, Shamalama ding Dong Shamelo ding Dong. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he was the guy that owns the house
Speaker 1: that was in it. And that's the game jack, the
Speaker 1: guys that locked it in the pantry, locked in the pantry.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, No, we're doing our typical what
Speaker 2: we got criticized for by Parrot sixty nine.
Speaker 1: That's her name, poly Poly sixty nine, Parrot sixty nine.
Speaker 1: I don't know why that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a thing that sticks my brain. But anyway,
Speaker 2: what were we talking about?
Speaker 1: Signs? Signs signs?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: I was saying that that's the place where all my
Speaker 2: dad's memories were. Yep, this this farm that you know,
Speaker 2: it was like forty eight years. It wasn't a huge farm.
Speaker 1: I vaguely remember us loading up a fully decorated Christmas tree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the back moving into that house. It was like the
Speaker 1: first thing to come out was a Christmas tree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was right at the very back of the evil. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was crazy. And we went through a heck of
Speaker 1: a snowstorm getting back to I lost a bumper. Okay,
Speaker 1: see what happened. We're going again?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, what did that parrot say that
Speaker 2: we did?
Speaker 1: Well, we tell the waitress our birthday or something. No,
Speaker 1: the waitress doesn't need to know it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Because we what do we do? We pontificate? No, she
Speaker 1: had a word defecate.
Speaker 2: No, it was a word that she used that we were.
Speaker 2: It's not cynical, not idiotic. We just go off like
Speaker 2: we just did twice. What did she call that?
Speaker 1: Quirky? Quirky?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said we're quirky and we were just being quirky. Okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so okay, we yeah, we're.
Speaker 1: Quirked, swinging like a ricket ball. Oh that's it's getting nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, now we got to get back to it.
Speaker 2: We got to get back to it, Okay, So you
Speaker 2: were trying to keep this lighthearted.
Speaker 1: So back to the whole topic of Alzheimer's.
Speaker 2: People are going through this stuff and right now, millions
Speaker 2: of people are dealing with this right now just like me,
Speaker 2: and some of them are We're just starting on this
Speaker 2: journey of Alzheimer's care and some are like towards the end,
Speaker 2: and it is hard. It is rough, and I just
Speaker 2: want to say, my heart goes out to you because
Speaker 2: I feel it right now. And your grandmother on mom's side,
Speaker 2: she had Alzheimer's and watching that progression was so awful.
Speaker 2: Our good friends their mom died of Alzheimer's. We watched
Speaker 2: that whole progression. My wife's grandma, we watched her die
Speaker 2: of Alzheimer's and she was probably one of the worst
Speaker 2: ones because she sat so long in a facility with
Speaker 2: no brain ability at all, and trying to give her
Speaker 2: a quality of life was so hard. And you know,
Speaker 2: watching people lose their loved ones while they're still alive.
Speaker 1: Is so hard.
Speaker 2: There are other diseases out there like als We've had
Speaker 2: that in our family, Louke Gary's disease, and in that one,
Speaker 2: you lose your boy, but your brain still works.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that's a horrible disease. It's just it's
Speaker 1: just people deal with so much.
Speaker 2: It's a wonder in this life that we can even
Speaker 2: have optimism and joy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Throw on top of that, not to be all Debbie
Speaker 1: down or like our last episode was, well we can
Speaker 1: go down a little bit. Throw on top of all
Speaker 1: of this stuff. We've got COVID, COVID, we've lost family
Speaker 1: members to COVID and our family anyway, and uh, throw
Speaker 1: on top of that, it's the holidays and you're remembering
Speaker 1: all these things.
Speaker 2: It's like, what the what the flip? Yeah, But anyway,
Speaker 2: we don't want to get too down because I am optimistic.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have hope. You know, one thing here,
Speaker 1: here's it. Let's do a little side trail. Here, another another.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is a stream side trail. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: this is a this is a pontification side trail that
Speaker 2: I wonder about.
Speaker 1: So, say you are getting older like me.
Speaker 2: And you have this physiological protein is issue where they're
Speaker 2: they're defective, deformed, and they form these fibrils and and
Speaker 2: your brain starts turning into mush. The neurons are encased
Speaker 2: in some kind of hard things, so they're not functioning
Speaker 2: right and firing right, and you can't remember anything, and
Speaker 2: then you throw in your whole spirituality. Okay, what happens
Speaker 2: to your soul? If you're a person that believes in
Speaker 2: this soul?
Speaker 1: What happens to your soul depends on what you believe.
Speaker 1: I guess I know. But have you ever really thought
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 3: Kind of?
Speaker 2: I mean I kind of have too, but never in
Speaker 2: this kind of current type of situation. I'm wondered, Like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you go out and you get in a car wreck
Speaker 2: and you're.
Speaker 1: In a coma and then you die.
Speaker 2: Okay, where's your soul at while you're in a coma?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I see, where's like the purgatory? Yeah, transition.
Speaker 2: But like when your brain's gone and you have no
Speaker 2: cognitive function or very little, like my dad right now,
Speaker 2: who doesn't remember everything, where is his soul? I mean,
Speaker 2: what's his responsibility as far as.
Speaker 1: His morality goes?
Speaker 2: You know, all these things you wonder about because your
Speaker 2: essence of who you are is wrapped up in all
Speaker 2: of these memories and thoughts and your actions. But all
Speaker 2: of a sudden that changes because of the physiology that's
Speaker 2: taking place inside of the molecules in your brain. So
Speaker 2: where's your soul at during this?
Speaker 1: I know what you mean, and I've thought about that before,
Speaker 1: not in Alzheimer's perspective, But let's say you're a forced
Speaker 1: recon marine that gut sure domed. Yeah, and you have
Speaker 1: just brain blown up in a hummer and you're you've
Speaker 1: got drain damage and your frontal lobe is busted and
Speaker 1: you're just now you're violent. Now, you're you have no patience,
Speaker 1: your your personality aggressive, and you're yourself for a little while.
Speaker 1: But you can't control these urges to do these other things,
Speaker 1: you know, or to have these reactions to things. You know,
Speaker 1: like that movie American Sniper. He goes and like tries
Speaker 1: to kill a dog because it was barking at a kid.
Speaker 1: And he's a nice guy, he's a good guy. But
Speaker 1: then his brain flips. Yeah, where's his soul if that's
Speaker 1: what you believe in, where's his humanity or his consciousness?
Speaker 1: Because is he just different now? Yeah? Or is he himself?
Speaker 1: And and part of him is a way?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Is that what you're getting at? Kind of?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But then I think about too, like say my wife's
Speaker 2: grandma who sat in a chair basically mindless.
Speaker 1: For for a year.
Speaker 2: Where was her soul is? I wonder, you know sometimes
Speaker 2: is it there? Is it processing correctly, but because of
Speaker 2: the the interface to the dimension, she can't articulate. So
Speaker 2: she's there scene everything behind this veil, but she's unable
Speaker 2: to interact with it, or is she just does her
Speaker 2: spirit go somewhere else where. She's not even enduring this
Speaker 2: trauma of seeing herself in such an incapacitated state.
Speaker 1: It's more like her body's there, and her consciousness is.
Speaker 2: Somewhere else right, an empty shell that's still alive, but
Speaker 2: yet maybe the spirit, the essence of who she is
Speaker 2: is no longer there.
Speaker 1: See, I don't know, that's very weird. I never thought
Speaker 1: of that. I've wondered that, you know, how that works.
Speaker 2: I've kind of wondered, you know, I've thought about life
Speaker 2: as kind of like we are in this this well,
Speaker 2: for lack of a better word, this matrix, and we
Speaker 2: have a connectability to this matrix through this interface called
Speaker 2: our flesh, our body, right, and if that is discombobulated,
Speaker 2: if that's messed up or broken, then.
Speaker 1: We can't communicate through it.
Speaker 2: Anymore into this three D space, into this dimension, right,
Speaker 2: but maybe we're still aware of it behind that veil.
Speaker 2: Kind of like if you were looking through a TV
Speaker 2: signal and you can see what's going on through the
Speaker 2: TV monitor. Maybe it's black and white or maybe the
Speaker 2: maybe the picture cuts out altogether, but you still get
Speaker 2: the audio feed.
Speaker 1: Well, I picture it kind of like, so you finished
Speaker 1: a level in a racing game like Super Mario Kart. Okay,
Speaker 1: you finish the level, but it still makes another lap
Speaker 1: and you can't control it, but Mario still is going
Speaker 1: around the track as you watch, like who came in first,
Speaker 1: who came in second? So you're in this other screen basically,
Speaker 1: but in the background, is Mario still going around this track?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I guess I kind of get where you're going. It's
Speaker 2: really hard to explain what I kind of wonder is.
Speaker 2: I feel like we are living in, for lack of
Speaker 2: a better word, of matrix and our understanding of what
Speaker 2: happens in this matrix, because it's the only thing we've
Speaker 2: experienced so far is here now, but it's only the
Speaker 2: smallest percentage of what we really are and who we
Speaker 2: are and where we are. You know, they say that
Speaker 2: mathematically we live in ten dimensions. There are ten dimensions,
Speaker 2: but we are only aware of three, maybe four if
Speaker 2: you throw in time. So I kind of wonder if
Speaker 2: those other six dimensions that's the real manifestation of who
Speaker 2: we are and where we are, or at least the majority.
Speaker 2: And so the connectivity to this fleshly body we have
Speaker 2: is our neurons and our brains and everything else.
Speaker 1: But if you think about it, the memories.
Speaker 2: The essence of who we are isn't that snaps firing.
Speaker 2: It's somewhere else. Because as we get older and have
Speaker 2: more experiences, our brains don't get heavier because there's more input.
Speaker 2: It's like it's offloading. It's like riding on a hard
Speaker 2: drive somewhere, and that information is stored somewhere else other
Speaker 2: than inside.
Speaker 1: The hard drives in the right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's there, it's out there, And I kind of
Speaker 2: wonder if our spirit's kind of like that. And so
Speaker 2: when our body goes night, night goes away, our essence
Speaker 2: moves away from it, And I wonder if that maybe
Speaker 2: is what's happening, that connectivity to this world, this dimension,
Speaker 2: this matrix is severed, But at the same time, the
Speaker 2: essence of who we are still there. So I think
Speaker 2: about if my dad, who's losing some of that cognitive ability,
Speaker 2: but somewhere he's still seeing me and everybody else love
Speaker 2: him as much as we are to help him through
Speaker 2: these hard times, and that its stored away for him,
Speaker 2: so it blesses him, you know, in the same sense
Speaker 2: for people that sit there alone, what a trauma that
Speaker 2: would be to be aware that there's nothing to nobody
Speaker 2: for them.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just went really sad. Yeah, ok, sorry. So
Speaker 1: what you're saying is it's like sinking your iPhone to
Speaker 1: the cloud, and you've got it plugged into your hard
Speaker 1: drive as well on your computer, which I don't think
Speaker 1: people do anymore. You're supposed to with iPhones having ye,
Speaker 1: but I think you're you're also dumping a lot of
Speaker 1: information onto this hard drive and then that is getting
Speaker 1: saved to the cloud, and it's like you have a
Speaker 1: really long bad Internet connection with Alzheimer's or dementia. Your
Speaker 1: consciousness is getting moved up to the cloud, but it
Speaker 1: is still partly on your phone.
Speaker 2: We throw this in right there, your hard drive gets
Speaker 2: a virus. Oh yeah, so it's destroying what's on your
Speaker 2: hard drive. But all your information is uploaded to the cloud.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and then maybe you cannot maybe you cannot
Speaker 2: download that to that infected machine anymore your body. And
Speaker 2: you know, I guess that kind of fits the whole
Speaker 2: virus thing, especially with COVID, right, yeah, Or if you
Speaker 2: want to even talk about what we started this concept with,
Speaker 2: which is Alzheimer's and that protein that suddenly deforms and
Speaker 2: causes this avalanche of more deformed proteins. And then in
Speaker 2: the end, you know, after the person dies and expires,
Speaker 2: they can they can take that brain, dissect the brain
Speaker 2: and they can see there are like these hard casings
Speaker 2: around all the neural network stuff, and like it's the
Speaker 2: brain is like not normal, it's not right, you know,
Speaker 2: which is kind of taking us to the point where
Speaker 2: we connect to the other strange things that we are
Speaker 2: getting to. I wanted to talk about the Alzheimer's part
Speaker 2: because it's a personal part of what's going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, you said it's like a venting therapy session.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's gonna connect and it connects really well
Speaker 2: to this thing.
Speaker 1: And we mentioned it on our.
Speaker 2: Podcast two episodes ago. These things called prions Yeah, not shrimp, no,
Speaker 2: not not shrimp. Some people actually call them preons.
Speaker 1: I like prion. I like saying prion, that'll star galactical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can get online and ask for the pronunciation
Speaker 2: and you'll find it both ways, prion or preon. But anyway,
Speaker 2: a preon or prion is basically the same thing. It's
Speaker 2: a deformed protein. It's a protein that at one time
Speaker 2: is normal and for some reason it gets activated and
Speaker 2: it folds on itself, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: from that there is an explosion of deformed proteins that
Speaker 2: arrive in its wake. It like infects everything else on.
Speaker 1: It just explodes and it just radiates through the entire
Speaker 1: nervous system. Nervous system. It's crazy too, because we've talked
Speaker 1: about it off the MIC a little bit before, and
Speaker 1: we've noticed that there's not just enough take in people,
Speaker 1: but there's n ough take in animals too. Having this
Speaker 1: a similar type of response to something, maybe not response,
Speaker 1: but a similar disorder or a similar protein, And yeah, so.
Speaker 2: You want to roll back in time and jump from
Speaker 2: there's a similarity, and they're finding a bigger similarity all
Speaker 2: the time between Alzheimer's cases and cases of prion infection,
Speaker 2: which is called crush filled jakov disease CJD.
Speaker 1: That will stick with CJD. Yeah, CJD.
Speaker 2: Okay, So basically what it is, it's a protein molecule
Speaker 2: they call it a prion. Something activates it and it
Speaker 2: de and it goes really really faster the entire nervous
Speaker 2: system in the body, and they die.
Speaker 1: Rapidly, kind of like small scale or like internal cancer.
Speaker 2: Which is kind of the difference between Alzheimer's and CJD,
Speaker 2: which is that CJD is very rapid, where Alzheimer's can
Speaker 2: take years years and years and it's slower where CJD
Speaker 2: is very rapid, like people do within a year. And
Speaker 2: I got online to watch some videos, and oh, my gosh,
Speaker 2: it's such a horrible thing because people aware that's something
Speaker 2: wrong because a lot of times it have infects their
Speaker 2: physiological ability to move their arms and their hands, and
Speaker 2: so they know that something DRAMs off and they're they're shaken, weird,
Speaker 2: and they're doing strange things.
Speaker 1: And it is horrible. Yeah, don't watch videos about that.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I mean I almost I almost,
Speaker 2: like yesterday like pulled a plug in this whole thing,
Speaker 2: Like this is too dark.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go here.
Speaker 2: CJD cases are still happening and they're rare, but at
Speaker 2: one point there was an outbreak of it, but we'll
Speaker 2: get into that in.
Speaker 1: Our next episode.
Speaker 2: Okay, the prion disease CJD is very very scary because
Speaker 2: it is not only rapid, but.
Speaker 1: It is very contagious, contagious. It is contagious, which is
Speaker 1: I talked a while back about Jurassic Park yep, I
Speaker 1: think it was Jurassic World, the second book. They go
Speaker 1: to an island where there's a high density of predators
Speaker 1: and they can't figure out why that there's more predators
Speaker 1: than herbivores or whatever, and doctor Malcolm Jeff Goldbloom he
Speaker 1: basically somehow finds out that they were feeding all the
Speaker 1: dinosaurs' lamb protein or something to keep them healthy, and
Speaker 1: that was giving them prions and then that was causing
Speaker 1: the dinosaurs to die younger, which allowed more like scavengers
Speaker 1: and predators to be around. Yeah, basically, it's like a
Speaker 1: similar thing.
Speaker 2: It's just well and that's kind of another interesting thing
Speaker 2: about CJD is that that's another way you can get it.
Speaker 2: You can get it through like human growth hormone or
Speaker 2: like corneal transplants, or like surgeries that was surgery on it,
Speaker 2: like a nervous system or something where the implements weren't
Speaker 2: sterilized enough. And that's another thing about prions are really
Speaker 2: really really hard to kill.
Speaker 1: Crazy.
Speaker 2: So another way you can get it is by eating
Speaker 2: contaminated meat like hamburger. Like hamburger picture from your pick
Speaker 2: your mammal. Yeah, basically any kind of creature can get
Speaker 2: some kind of pryonic malady where they have I mean
Speaker 2: it's mad cow disease. It's also scrapy and cheap or
Speaker 2: wasting disease, and deer and elk and moose. No, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's all the same kind of thing. But it's the
Speaker 2: prionic protein.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So which we should say what the origin and prion?
Speaker 1: Do you know what the origin of prion is? Aliens?
Speaker 1: The word how do they get the word prion? Pry
Speaker 1: to lift, using leverage on a top something, use leverage
Speaker 1: to get on top of something. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It actually comes from protonaceous infectious particle and that's where
Speaker 2: they developed the word prion or preon.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so pr protonaceous I infectious particle particle I
Speaker 1: don't know where they get the like ion.
Speaker 2: They mix it all up. Yeah, yeah, but anyway it
Speaker 2: comes from that. That's that's where they get the word
Speaker 2: priony or preon. And I don't know why that's important,
Speaker 2: but anyway, it has.
Speaker 1: To do with protein protonaceous. It's the protein that deforms
Speaker 1: and I did a little research on it. And what's
Speaker 1: weird about it in prions and also in Alzheimer's because
Speaker 1: it's the same thing.
Speaker 2: It's a protein molecule that the forms and causes these hard,
Speaker 2: rigid structures called fibrils, and these things basically clog up
Speaker 2: the works in Alzheimer's, but in pryonic diseases like CJD,
Speaker 2: it basically destroys the cells and they leave these holes
Speaker 2: inside the brain. It's sponge like.
Speaker 1: That's why they call, you know, this disease mad cow disease.
Speaker 2: They call it a bovine sponge form encephalopathy.
Speaker 1: Really what it's called. Yeah, it's a hell of a name.
Speaker 1: It is so mad. The disease is similar to ced JD.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, because it's a protein molecule that deforms.
Speaker 2: It does the same thing. But anyway, that's we're going
Speaker 2: to get into that in future episodes. I wanted to
Speaker 2: keep this one up towards Alzheimer's because that's kind of
Speaker 2: how this whole thing started for me, because of my dad.
Speaker 2: Then I saw this article, this connection between cattle mutilations,
Speaker 2: UFO abductions and prions and Alzheimer's, and that kind of
Speaker 2: clicked all these things together. It was like, I couldn't
Speaker 2: quit thinking about this stuff, right.
Speaker 1: And you were like, Dad, what are you doing? This
Speaker 1: is all really stupid stuff. I didn't say that. It's
Speaker 1: really not very fun about. It's not sasquatches, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's but in some ways it's it's more nefarious. Take
Speaker 1: a drink.
Speaker 2: Take a drink if you're playing or drinking it, which
Speaker 2: we haven't said for a long time. If you do drink,
Speaker 2: drink responsibly.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, I said, what are the like phases
Speaker 1: of Alzheimer's? Well, as far as I understand, they've broken
Speaker 1: down the stages of Alzheimer's into basically seven different stages,
Speaker 1: and the first one is no impairment. I mean that
Speaker 1: makes sense, right, and that could happen, you know.
Speaker 2: Fifteen twenty years before anything starts, and then you have
Speaker 2: very you know, very mild cognitive decline, and then the
Speaker 2: next would be mild cognitive decline, and then you have
Speaker 2: moderate cognitive decline, and that could also be classified a
Speaker 2: lot of times as early stage dementia.
Speaker 1: They're pretty general. Yeah, you kind of can see it's
Speaker 1: just a progression. It seems like.
Speaker 2: Then you have moderately severe cognitive decline, which is the
Speaker 2: early mid stage of dementia, and then you have severe
Speaker 2: cognitive decline, which is late mid stage dementia. And then
Speaker 2: you have very severe cognitive decline, which is late stage dementia.
Speaker 2: You know, my dad is probably what he'd probably be in,
Speaker 2: like the he'd be in the severe cognitive decline right
Speaker 2: now because he can't remember five minutes ago.
Speaker 1: Right when you go and talk to him, he'll talk.
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll ask you every five minutes what day it is, gotcha?
Speaker 1: And then he won't remember. But you ask him what
Speaker 1: year they built the house in. Oh, he's got that backstory,
Speaker 1: it's down.
Speaker 2: Do you ask him questions about how he met mom?
Speaker 1: He knows all that.
Speaker 2: He remembers a lot of the names of the people
Speaker 2: that he dealt with in his practice.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's really really weird.
Speaker 2: That's what's so hard If you didn't know him very
Speaker 2: well and you went and sat down with him for
Speaker 2: five minutes and he's nostalgic, yeah, you would have no clue.
Speaker 2: You would have no clue that he had any kind
Speaker 2: of impairment whatsoever. Crazy, he uses big words, you know,
Speaker 2: it's funny. He's got a sense of humor. A lot
Speaker 2: of the jokes are the same ones you've heard many
Speaker 2: times before. But if you ask him, you know, who's president,
Speaker 2: or what year it is, or what car he's driving now,
Speaker 2: he doesn't know.
Speaker 1: Right, He'll give you whatever answer pops up in there.
Speaker 2: So anyway, those are the seven stages. They kind of
Speaker 2: are self explained.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would, I guess expect from like a degenerative disease. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just kind of basic. And then it gets worse and
Speaker 1: worse and worse.
Speaker 2: Well, what it's really scary, Well, I don't even know
Speaker 2: if it's scary. What's really weird is like you have
Speaker 2: as you age, a natural loss of memory and thoughts
Speaker 2: and all those kinds of things. You're just not firing
Speaker 2: on all cylinders.
Speaker 1: Hard gets outdated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so some of that those first couple three stages,
Speaker 2: it's really hard to say, well, that's dementia or Alzheimer's,
Speaker 2: because you don't know.
Speaker 1: It could just be natural.
Speaker 2: But then when it gets into like the fourth and
Speaker 2: fifth stage, where it's a little more progressed, then you
Speaker 2: have different kinds of dementia. It could be and God
Speaker 2: forbid that we go there. If we do well, I
Speaker 2: hope it's kind of like my dad because at least
Speaker 2: he's happy. Yeah, and he doesn't remember the things that
Speaker 2: are bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a piece in the whole thing. There's piece.
Speaker 1: And you know, one thing my dad always does. He
Speaker 1: always talks about life is good.
Speaker 2: He always says, you know, it's okay, you know, it's
Speaker 2: a little hard.
Speaker 1: I thought your mom here, but life is good. And
Speaker 1: he always says God is good, you know.
Speaker 2: And I think just having that hope, hope, and also
Speaker 2: just that that's been such a part of his life,
Speaker 2: that that carries through and it gives him a lot
Speaker 2: of peace and stuff. So he's not frustrated and angry
Speaker 2: like a lot of people that have Alzheimer's. As they
Speaker 2: start to be aware that something's wrong, they get angry.
Speaker 2: Some of them get violent, and I'm just so thankful
Speaker 2: he's not.
Speaker 1: It makes you wonder too, you know, kind of based
Speaker 1: on what we talked about earlier, where does his consciousness
Speaker 1: d well? Is it in his reactions to forgetting or
Speaker 1: is his consciousness beyond that? Does that make any sense?
Speaker 1: It does kind of. Yeah, So maybe his his matrix
Speaker 1: neo guy is forgetting these things and kind of repeating.
Speaker 1: But maybe that's just a glitch in the matrix as
Speaker 1: his consciousness is moving somewhere else, and that doesn't make
Speaker 1: it any better to see. Maybe for the still in
Speaker 1: the matrix character. But maybe you know, as they work
Speaker 1: through this hard time and they're forgetting and they're asking
Speaker 1: the same questions and they're getting frustrated because they don't
Speaker 1: know what day it is or whatever, maybe that's just
Speaker 1: their avatar. Yeah, maybe that's just their NPC or their
Speaker 1: virtual presence and their actual cognitive I mean, if you
Speaker 1: believe in ghosts, or you believe in anything spirit or
Speaker 1: a soul, maybe their soul is somewhere else just kind
Speaker 1: of being happy that you, as a person are making
Speaker 1: an effort to interact. Does that makes sense?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, one thing that's kind of weird to
Speaker 2: think about is if we're all living in the matrix
Speaker 2: and then suddenly you pop out of it. Then the
Speaker 2: things that were so important to you inside the matrix
Speaker 2: aren't really real antmore. You know, they don't mean as much,
Speaker 2: they don't matter. You're on a bigger and better thing.
Speaker 2: So I hope that too, is that if you're transitioning,
Speaker 2: that maybe you're aware on the other side that everything
Speaker 2: is that's in this little virtual world isn't that important anymore.
Speaker 2: It's not as big a deal because everything else is
Speaker 2: so much grander.
Speaker 1: On the other side. Yep. I find myself doing a
Speaker 1: lot now that I'm getting older. I think just as
Speaker 1: you age, you start to do this naturally. But the
Speaker 1: things that I cared about when I was younger are
Speaker 1: starting to just become no, a void. Somebody taking French
Speaker 1: fries off my plate that's commonplace now. That still pisses
Speaker 1: me off. Yeah, I hate.
Speaker 2: I had a hard time sharing my French fries with
Speaker 2: you kids, because I would like to like time out
Speaker 2: every bite of hamburger with my french And if I
Speaker 2: got to the end of my burger and I didn't
Speaker 2: have any fries left, I'd be so upset because you
Speaker 2: ate three or Mom took too.
Speaker 1: I think I'm just more advanced than you are, probably,
Speaker 1: but you see what I'm saying. Yeah, the way that
Speaker 1: maybe we store the milk. I want to put it
Speaker 1: in the fridge door shelf, but other people in my
Speaker 1: house put it on the main shelf. Or like the most.
Speaker 2: Important question of all time, toilet paper over or under
Speaker 2: right exactly?
Speaker 1: And when you get older, you're just like, eh, you
Speaker 1: know what doesn't matter. I'm just gonna have I care
Speaker 1: more about the relationship we have outside of the refrigerator.
Speaker 1: You know, you start to prioritize things, and maybe in
Speaker 1: a weird way that kind of associates to or is
Speaker 1: associated with Alzheimer's, where you stop caring so much about
Speaker 1: your day to day and it's almost like a state
Speaker 1: of nirvana, Like you're reaching nirvana where the spider on
Speaker 1: the floor of the dirty house, that stuff doesn't bother
Speaker 1: you so much. It's more about your being. You've let
Speaker 1: go of all the earthly things and you're starting to
Speaker 1: ascend into transistence. Yeah, you're just becoming more peaceful as
Speaker 1: a person. And maybe that reflects into the real world
Speaker 1: that the quote unquote real world that we live in
Speaker 1: as like Alzheimer's forgetfulness. But maybe it's just a part
Speaker 1: of aging and you know, letting go of all these
Speaker 1: earthly things and starting to move on to something greater
Speaker 1: than yourself could be.
Speaker 2: You know, we really went esoteric there, We really went
Speaker 2: like into New age esotericism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, yeah, totally yeah. I just was like totally
Speaker 1: zend out.
Speaker 2: It is so weird to think about because you want answers,
Speaker 2: you want to understand, and then if you have, like
Speaker 2: if you do believe that we are more than just
Speaker 2: a biological entity that's just going to die and that's it.
Speaker 2: If you believe there's more to you, if you have
Speaker 2: a soul or spirit or power or some kind of
Speaker 2: connectivity to the universe as energy or whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call it, then you wonder what how does this
Speaker 2: play out?
Speaker 1: How does this work?
Speaker 2: And it's fun to ponder. It's kind of creepy to ponder, yeah,
Speaker 2: a little bit, but it's human nature to ponder, that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know one thing I wanted to say while
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it is we were talking about mad
Speaker 2: cow disease in humans, the CJD kreush filled Yakov disease,
Speaker 2: right ye, and Alzheimer's and that they're very similar. There
Speaker 2: was actually a study done where they dissected the brains
Speaker 2: of people that had died of Alzheimer's, and thirteen percent
Speaker 2: of those people that were diagnosed with Alzheimer's and died,
Speaker 2: it turned out upon the dissection of their brain that
Speaker 2: they actually had CJD. They actually had crush filled Yakov
Speaker 2: disease or mad cow disease. They had the prion associated
Speaker 2: with mad cow disease and not the protein molecule that
Speaker 2: is associated with Alzheimer's. I just found that very very interesting.
Speaker 1: It's interesting so an eighth of the people who are
Speaker 1: diagnosed as having Alzheimer's.
Speaker 2: Actually have actually having or died of CJD, and that weird.
Speaker 2: And so that kind of gets us to the point
Speaker 2: where we can start talking about this other path towards
Speaker 2: prions and CJD and bovine sponge form and sephalopathy.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about a lot of other things too,
Speaker 2: And we're going to talk about the connection of cattle
Speaker 2: mutilation to all this. Oh boy, and we're going to
Speaker 2: go deeper and further beyond but.
Speaker 1: Sasquatch to cattle mulation to cattle. Yeah, but I thought
Speaker 1: this is a good way to start. We're working backwards.
Speaker 2: I think most people talk about maybe where everything started.
Speaker 2: We're talking about where things are right now.
Speaker 1: They're going to work backwards because that's what got us
Speaker 1: into it. And we're a little backwards kind of you
Speaker 1: I'm a little messed up. Yeah, sometimes you especially.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But anyway, I don't know. I think we've we've
Speaker 2: got an episode here. I think we can jump out
Speaker 2: and we can we can get into the next episode.
Speaker 1: Next time, we'll talk more.
Speaker 2: In depth about prions, and we maybe will talk a
Speaker 2: little more in depth how the marriage of prions and
Speaker 2: Alzheimer's are actually a lot closer than a lot of
Speaker 2: people want to believe. And I'll just leave with this
Speaker 2: one little tidbit. There is a very real possibility that Alzheimer's,
Speaker 2: like prion diseases like CJD, is also infectious.
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 1: We can talk about that more on the like prion side. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I have a little bit of knowledge about these
Speaker 1: protein infections, just based on the hunting atmosphere that I
Speaker 1: tend to dwell in. Yes, the wasting thing which we
Speaker 1: should save exactly, I'm holding now, Yeah, you're holding out.
Speaker 2: But the idea that you could catch Alzheimer's not because
Speaker 2: of your genetics, but that you could actually have come
Speaker 2: in contact with something that causes you to get.
Speaker 1: Alzheimer's because you didn't wear a mask. I don't know
Speaker 1: about that. Let's not go there either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean it's very similar to a virus.
Speaker 2: I mean one of the things about Alzheimer's and prions
Speaker 2: is that it really really was a confusion for people
Speaker 2: that we're trying to figure this out. I mean, it
Speaker 2: has been study now for years and years trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what these things are and why it's happening.
Speaker 1: The whole prion thing not gonna lie kind of gives
Speaker 1: me like a zombie vibe. Well, it totally is. It's
Speaker 1: totally like this weird thing that just triggers a weird
Speaker 1: part of the brain and just.
Speaker 2: Shuts it down and like, yeah, well, and you lose
Speaker 2: control of your mental abilities and a lot of your
Speaker 2: physical You wonder, what if it just turned off your
Speaker 2: ability to reason and to not act primal, but only
Speaker 2: left your primitive, primal desires, and so all you wanted
Speaker 2: to do is.
Speaker 1: Eat, eat, drink, sleep, sleep, and have sex, and you
Speaker 1: were just an animal. Sounds like every day bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, So anyway, I thought this was an
Speaker 2: interesting conversation. It's going to get more strange, and we're
Speaker 2: going to try to keep it light as we go.
Speaker 2: And like we said at the very start, if you're
Speaker 2: in the throes of this right now, our heart goes
Speaker 2: out to you. I mean I almost could burst into
Speaker 2: tears right now because I know it is so hard
Speaker 2: for people. So my thoughts and my pers are with you,
Speaker 2: and I hope the best for your loved one, and
Speaker 2: most of all, I hope and pray for their peace
Speaker 2: and that they have happiness and joy, that they don't
Speaker 2: hurt and suffer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the main thing for me. And if
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out that way, which is a
Speaker 1: real possibility, hopefully the whole Nirvana thing can bring some
Speaker 1: light into it that they're not actually the physical body
Speaker 1: that you're looking at there, They're somewhere else. They're enjoying
Speaker 1: something much more pleasurable.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like that idea a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, anyway, on that bombshell, it's time for us
Speaker 1: to end, So join us next time for some less
Speaker 1: depressing and some cold drinks and some strange conversations, You
Speaker 1: got it.