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<v Speaker 1>Not to be overshadowed as Max Chadwick who joined us

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<v Speaker 1>today on a whim and we appreciate it. Man. We

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<v Speaker 1>broke the emergency glass and we got one of the

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<v Speaker 1>best in the business. How are you, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>how are things through you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing good?

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<v Speaker 1>How you guys doing excellent? It couldn't be better. We're

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<v Speaker 1>past May, which means we're in June and we can

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<v Speaker 1>see the season within our sites now. And with that,

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<v Speaker 1>we figured at some point Aaron Rodgers would be a

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<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh Steeler. We haven't spoken with you in months, so

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<v Speaker 1>let's kind of do a reset. Where are you at

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<v Speaker 1>with the Steelers as a whole and with the Rogers

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<v Speaker 1>component along with Arthur Smith and company.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it just seems like the Steels are gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>where they always were, which is basically, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>good enough to just make it sneak into the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 2>but not good enough to actually compete for a Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 2>If they had Bason Rudolph as the quarterback all year,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they could reset and be one of the worst

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<v Speaker 2>teams in the NFL and then get a top draft

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<v Speaker 2>pick and completely reset without a brand new, young franchise quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>but now with Rogers, it kind of seems like the

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<v Speaker 2>same old Steelers are now kind of like what they

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<v Speaker 2>were last year with Russell Wilson. It might be a

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<v Speaker 2>slight improvement off what they had in Russell Wilson, but

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not that much. So I think it's extremely similar

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<v Speaker 2>to what they had last year.

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<v Speaker 1>I think for fans that get excited about it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>more of just the confirmation that there's something that got

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<v Speaker 1>done there with Rogers, they can now breathe and move on,

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily celebrate. It's more of a okay, fine, this

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<v Speaker 1>portion of what's going to be a several act of

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<v Speaker 1>drama is over. Now we'll see what's ahead for Rogers.

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<v Speaker 1>And I agree with you, Max, Max Chadwick Pro Football Focus.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not much of a difference, you know, metrics wise,

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<v Speaker 1>but between the two guys last year, and look at

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<v Speaker 1>what Wilson was able to do. Rudolph obviously was the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that would have led him to Tank City and

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<v Speaker 1>they could have gotten that fifth he does. He's looking

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<v Speaker 1>very much like a magnum p I, but unfortunate he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be holding a clipboard for a little bit. So

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<v Speaker 1>Rogers in that offense obviously it gives them at least

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<v Speaker 1>some degree of competency. But I agree with you, these

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<v Speaker 1>better days are probably behind him. With the Achilles, he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't move as well out of the pocket. He's not

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<v Speaker 1>escaping the kind of pressure he used to. And the

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Smith component. It's gonna be interesting because Rogers likes

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<v Speaker 1>to own the line of scrimmage. He's his own coach

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<v Speaker 1>at times, and Artie is not. Hardy's not a big

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<v Speaker 1>fan of handing over control. How's that dynamic gonna play?

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<v Speaker 1>Does Tomlin need to get in it? Have they already

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<v Speaker 1>had that discussion?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. You know, Aaron Rodgers obviously

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<v Speaker 2>steamrolled everybody in that Jets organization when he went over there,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's ultimately why it really didn't work

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<v Speaker 2>out well at all is because he just had way

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<v Speaker 2>too much control over that entire organization, whether it be

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<v Speaker 2>over the general manager, over the coaching staff, everyone. It

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<v Speaker 2>was Aaron Aaron Rodgers show in New York. I have

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<v Speaker 2>more faith than Mike Tomlin to not get steamrolls. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Tom's a very well respected coach, a Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 2>champion coach, and I don't think he'll ever let anyone

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<v Speaker 2>steamroll him, right, So I think he's gonna come in

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<v Speaker 2>there and be like, well, Sen, you're a quarterback, you're

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<v Speaker 2>nothing else, right, Yes, exactly what. We're paying you to

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<v Speaker 2>be the quarterback for one years a one year contracts,

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<v Speaker 2>not a multi year thing like what the best thing

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<v Speaker 2>could be a one year deal. So I think I

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<v Speaker 2>think Rogers is going there and gonna play football next year.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Mike Tomins can let him have any

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<v Speaker 2>really control over anything else, or at least you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>let him have any control mate. Now, of course, Arthur

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<v Speaker 2>Spith's gonna, you know, consult Rogers, considering he's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest quarterbacks of all time and say, hey, what

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<v Speaker 2>are you comfortable with? What are some plays that you

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<v Speaker 2>like if we can incorporate for you. There's something gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be some collaboration there. But I would be really surprised

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<v Speaker 2>if Aaron Rodgers had as much of a vice script

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<v Speaker 2>over the Steelers as he did over the Jets.

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<v Speaker 1>Trey Faco's got a question, but I'll add this. I

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<v Speaker 1>would give him three gold jackets if he can plow

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<v Speaker 1>through and destroy the Steelers, the most stable organization ever,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be as impressive as taken it can be

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<v Speaker 1>if he could just finally put the Rooneyes in the

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<v Speaker 1>ground for all and ruin what's been the most stable

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<v Speaker 1>organization for decades. If anybody could do it, it's mister Rogers. Trey,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a question for Max.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Max, obviously this is a bridge year that is

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<v Speaker 3>obviously in the contract. To your point, it does feel

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<v Speaker 3>like it's going to be the same old Steelers. It

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<v Speaker 3>feels like they're probably going to be picking around nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty one right now, as you see this roster

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<v Speaker 3>in the way that it's constructed, what do the Steelers

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<v Speaker 3>need to do to prepare for that future quarterback that

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<v Speaker 3>it looks like they're going to get next year in

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<v Speaker 3>next year's draft.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think they're doing a nice job building up

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<v Speaker 2>the offensive line, right. They spent the last two first

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<v Speaker 2>round picks or before, I should say this year on

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<v Speaker 2>for on tackles. Right, So they got younger on the

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<v Speaker 2>offensive wind of a great young center and Zach Frazier

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<v Speaker 2>in an awesome rookie year last year. So I love

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<v Speaker 2>that the receiving corp is still severely lacking right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I think guess the one thing. Yes, they did trade

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<v Speaker 2>for DK Metcalf, but they also traded away George Pickens,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of almost like a neutral move right

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<v Speaker 2>there for Pittsburgh. And the weapons outside of Metcalf are

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<v Speaker 2>uninspiring to say the least right now, so they got

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<v Speaker 2>to keep building up their receiving corps. The defense is

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<v Speaker 2>really good. The d line's maybe the best in the

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<v Speaker 2>NFL right now. He's got Derek Carmon in the first round. Two,

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<v Speaker 2>the tackle from Oregon. I think the defense overall because

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<v Speaker 2>really good. Still building up a secondary a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>but and he needs Tom up a corner. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think the really big thing is, yeah, you look the

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<v Speaker 2>old line. Still build up on that old line a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. Is a very young and talented old line.

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<v Speaker 2>I really want them to attack the receiving corps even

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<v Speaker 2>more and get more wide receivers in there outside of

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<v Speaker 2>DK Metcalf.

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<v Speaker 3>Max, you're now Rooney, You're now the GM of the Steelers.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going into next year's draft.

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<v Speaker 3>You're picking the future franchise quarterback for this organization is

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<v Speaker 3>Arthur Smith. The type of offensive coordinator that you want

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<v Speaker 3>to try and build around a young quarterback or do

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<v Speaker 3>you want to maybe bring somebody else in that's I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, a little bit more dynamic, maybe a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more progressive. When it comes to the offense. Is

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<v Speaker 3>Arthur Smith the offensive coordinator of the future. I know

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<v Speaker 3>it's a one year sample size, but I look at

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<v Speaker 3>last year and I'm like, it's kind of a step

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<v Speaker 3>up for Matt Canada. But I don't know exactly how

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<v Speaker 3>great this offense is. Granted, who if they had thrown

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<v Speaker 3>the ball? Who have they had running the ball?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's a good question, you know. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's all depending on how it looks next year.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if he makes it work with Aaron Rodgers

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<v Speaker 2>and the offense is above average next year, I say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'll give him another shot going into twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six. But if if it's still like a below

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<v Speaker 2>know what, it's probably time to move on and get

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<v Speaker 2>a new OC in there. So I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>much longer Mike tom It's gonna be the coach. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not well, miamimans, I'm not calong for him to be fired.

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<v Speaker 2>And because I think he's a great coach, But it

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<v Speaker 2>is very hard to win with a defensive head coach

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<v Speaker 2>in the NFL nowadays because you know, you need a

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<v Speaker 2>great offensive mind in there. And if you're if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a defensive minded head coach, you have a great

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<v Speaker 2>offensive coordinator. That offensive cordator is gonna be scooped up

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<v Speaker 2>by a head for a head coaching job very very

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<v Speaker 2>soon after that, right, So it's very very difficult to

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<v Speaker 2>have that happen. So it's kind of a wait and

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<v Speaker 2>see mode right now. You know, I'm not I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying Art Smith should or not should not be fired

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<v Speaker 2>right now. But if he has a bad year next year,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah they tried to should move on. But if he's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good next year with Aaron Rodgers, then maybe give

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<v Speaker 2>him another shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Max Chadwick PFF dot com joining us on literally two

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<v Speaker 1>minutes notice, which is why he's the goat, among other reasons. Max,

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<v Speaker 1>you can find his work at PFF dot com. Will

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<v Speaker 1>promote everything in a minute, quick whip round around the league.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple teams and storylines. I'm fascinated by the Giants

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback room could have its own Hard Knocks series, And

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<v Speaker 1>you know Dart Wilson Winston might be trade bait. Who

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<v Speaker 1>knows at that point. Do you have sort of an

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<v Speaker 1>idea in your mind? Who you envision being the starter

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<v Speaker 1>day one? Is it is? It? Is it Russ and

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<v Speaker 1>then maybe turn it over to Jackson mid season? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it Russ all year? Or does Jackson get the nod

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<v Speaker 1>from day one?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think it's gonna be Russell Wilson's team. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Brian Dave Beli even came out and said that, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you're Russell Wilson is the starter. Jackson Dart is not

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<v Speaker 2>competing to be the starter at least right now. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not closing off the idea of hey, if Russ struggles

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<v Speaker 2>out there at Jackson Dark could go in there. But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't even know if Jackson Darth is

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<v Speaker 2>the second string quarterback right now. Right I think Jamis

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<v Speaker 2>Winston might even have that job over him too, so

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<v Speaker 2>I would. I think Russell Wilson is pretty much guaranteed

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<v Speaker 2>to be the week one starter, but it all depends

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<v Speaker 2>on how the season goes before you know whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not they try to turn in Jackson Darvis. You gotta remember,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean both Brian Dabel and Joe Shane. They're both

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<v Speaker 2>on the hot seat right now, and the owner even

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<v Speaker 2>came out and said they're both in the hot seed

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<v Speaker 2>right now. So if they're struggling with Russell Wilson, they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna like move on from him pretty quickly and try

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<v Speaker 2>to put Jackson Dart out there. That way they could

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<v Speaker 2>at least show ownership. Hey, here's what the future looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, let me work with this guy a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more and we'll see what we can do in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty six. If you start Russell Wilson all year

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<v Speaker 2>and you go five and twelve, you're gonna get fired,

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<v Speaker 2>right there's no really future that you showed that year.

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<v Speaker 2>So if they're doing well with Russell Wilson, they'll keep him.

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<v Speaker 2>But if they start losing a lot of games, I

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<v Speaker 2>think Jackson Dart would be started there pretty quickly. Just

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, Brian Dable and Joe Shane can save

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<v Speaker 2>the jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, Max, it's way too early to predict a Super

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl unless you're a sports talk host in June and

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<v Speaker 1>you have to just mess around. And that's what we

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<v Speaker 1>do on this show. My early like shocking hot take

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<v Speaker 1>super Bowl, which is what we do every year. Would

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<v Speaker 1>be Rams Broncos. And here's why. And I saw your

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<v Speaker 1>That's a team that I just see lurking right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Could you see one of those two teams maybe working

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<v Speaker 2>but the Rams weren't that far away from winning a

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<v Speaker 2>as well. I don't love the receiving corps in Denver,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not the worst in the NFL either. And

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<v Speaker 2>can be off the defense. But I think it's a

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<v Speaker 2>two good calls right there for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a hot take kind of similar.

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<v Speaker 3>We've been doing this whole hot take thing, and my

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<v Speaker 3>Sanders to be the starter coming into this season day one.

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<v Speaker 2>H yeah, I would agree with you. I think Sanders

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<v Speaker 2>best of those four right there, whether it be Joe Flacco,

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<v Speaker 2>think just Kevin Stefancy is just gonna it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, Max Matt, you're not following the o t A

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<v Speaker 1>stat leaderboards right by the way. Those are vital Those

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<v Speaker 2>Now, come on, I've seen a lot of those stats.

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw one even yesterday, I said, should is

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<v Speaker 2>the only one who didn't take any first team reps

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<v Speaker 1>Prime. Coach Prime is gonna call you that, I don't careful.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, Max, Sorry, you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Guessed as good as mine. So what the heck the

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<v Speaker 2>Brown is gonna do next year at quarterbacks? I think

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<v Speaker 2>no matter who starts at quarterback, it's gonna be it

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<v Speaker 2>could be a historically bad offense in the NFL next year.

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<v Speaker 2>I just look at that offense top to bottom, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's a disaster everywhere. Man, you got the worst

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<v Speaker 2>seeding corps football, maybe the worst offensive line in football.

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<v Speaker 2>And then obviously you have no idea what you have

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<v Speaker 2>do what you're doing a quarterback right now? Running back?

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<v Speaker 2>Man's that's really all you're hanging your hat on right now.

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<v Speaker 1>S Garrett in Japan and no leadership. Everything we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about is Cleveland. They're five seasons. If you're a Cleveland

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<v Speaker 1>of the media, everything that was talked about, of course

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<v Speaker 1>isn't happening. We expect Miles to step with media leader.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes to Japan, everybody freaks out. It means nothing

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<v Speaker 1>but it's so wonderful because it's Cleveland and it always

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<v Speaker 1>keeps us entertained. And now they have seven quarterbacks. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna play them all. Uh, we will see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think no, it does matter. I think you're

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<v Speaker 2>Saints are and the Browns are, you know, two of

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<v Speaker 2>the Browns that have no idea what to doing that

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback right now, if you want to throw the Colts

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<v Speaker 2>in that mix to at least the Colts, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>are hoping Richardson could be the guy. And then they

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<v Speaker 2>out Tyler Shuck. Wow. I didn't love coming out of Loutsville.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't lie to you guys. And he's gonna start

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<v Speaker 2>might or might not declare for the draft. Obviously, his grandpa,

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<v Speaker 2>Archie Manning, is the second greatest quarterback in Saints' history,

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<v Speaker 2>only by Drew Brees. And then you have Garrett nust Meyer,

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<v Speaker 2>Doug nust Meyer, is the offensive coordinator for the New

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting to see what New Orleans does next year.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Tyler Schuck is gonna be the franchise

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback for them unless he has a great year next year.

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<v Speaker 2>You could be looking at a New Orleans taking a

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Panthers fans right now are just saying, hey, be

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<v Speaker 1>just good enough to be bad, and just be just

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<v Speaker 1>bad enough to not be that bad. That's a frightening thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Arch or Nusts down there, You're right, his dad's on staff,

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<v Speaker 1>and we think Arch is going to be a superstar.

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<v Speaker 1>We just hope, as Panthers guys, it's somewhere else. We

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<v Speaker 1>will see how that works out. Max Chadwick, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the great analysts in the business, covers the college football

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<v Speaker 1>scene for PFF and does a great job with the

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<v Speaker 1>draft and covering the NFL as well. What are you

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<v Speaker 1>up to these days? And where can we find the work?

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<v Speaker 1>We all know where to find it. Let's just uh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's actively promote it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I appreciate that. Yeah, I host the PFF College

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<v Speaker 2>Football Show. We host that twice a week right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of going over a bunch of rankings where we

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<v Speaker 2>just finished ranking every position in college football, the top

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<v Speaker 2>ten players at every position.

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<v Speaker 1>You were. You were very good at Clemson, by the

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<v Speaker 1>way I saw your Clemson rankings. My goodness, that front behind.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen. I'm not trying to my own horror, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>picked it back to back national champions in Ohio State

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<v Speaker 2>and Michigan preseason, so I got both of them, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Oh my god. Oh, somebody pull the

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<v Speaker 1>fire alarm again. The big y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah they are. They are loaded next year. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>talking a lot of Clemson football. And we're actually going

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<v Speaker 2>to preview every single team in college and in the

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<v Speaker 2>excited to do all that very very soon.

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<v Speaker 1>You're the best, Max. Thanks for making time, man, Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you guys,