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Speaker 1: Good morning, sportscard fans, and welcome back to Hobby Hotline

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on four Collectors. My name is Dan. I'm going to

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be your host this week, and I am joined by

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two esteemed colleagues. Good morning, Victor, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good, guys, thanks for having me on today.

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Good morning to the chat and let's do it.

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Speaker 1: And of course Rich uncle Rich Klein, how are you, sir?

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Speaker 3: I am fine. Our central air conditioning unit or something

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within it decided not to work last night, so that

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was a whole that was a first world problem. Thankfully,

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it's not super It's not summer yet here in Texas,

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so it wasn't too bad and we're not going to

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be too hot for a while so until it gets

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fixed and at least I can get through. But the

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hobby is hotter than our house.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, you're down in Texas. This

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could be a really serious problem. That's okay. So we

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have some topics to cover today and some stuff we

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can we can do a little, uh little improval. So

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but I guess the topics. I was thinking that since

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Victor and I were both attendees of Strongsville and there

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have not been definitely not been enough Strongsville videos on

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YouTube and say that.

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Speaker 3: No, no, there's nothing about Strong'sville. Nobody posted anything. It

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was the most under the radar show I've ever seen

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in my life.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I also had a topic about vintage

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card prices going right up and how that affects us,

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and it affects the chat because the chat, you know,

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we get a lot of vintage people here and at

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you know, four Collectors and Hobby Hotline, so we can

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talk a little bit about that. Also wanted to talk

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about what else do we have, oh oh with eBay

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eBay canceling cancelations, I think is kind of important and

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the ramifications of that. And then Uncle Rich you had

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another topic that I thoughk that I think we we.

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Speaker 3: Have a couple of topics. One thing that opened this

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week and it opened to prices beyond anybody's expectations or control,

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was the return of Hops Chrome. And if you think

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vintage card prices are going up, look at the prices

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of unopened Tops Chrome Football twenty twenty five. As an example,

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one of my friends I was handing out flyers for

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my small show that I do it Memorial Day weekend,

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and I have a couple of friends who are nice

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enough to let me have who let me hand out flyers,

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and one of my friends says, yeah, opening day, he

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was selling packs, not jumbo packs, regular old packs of

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tops chrome football at one hundred and ninety dollars a pack,

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Wow and gold some to me it was a jumpoa,

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which was just like what planet am I on? Yeah,

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I mean, if I'm going to spend one hundred and

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ninety dollars for a pack, I might as well buy

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a pack from the sixties if I can find with

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that price.

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Speaker 1: Well, you can find. You can find the seventies. That

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the other thing we were going to cover if we

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get to it. I'm a lawyer, so I like Lostuff

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is a gentleman in uh. He's from Arizona, but he

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sued in California. He sued Collectors Universe under the anti

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Trust statutes, and that is an issue to discussed. I'm

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not sure how much of an effect it's going to

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have on the hobby, but I think it's interesting. But

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before we begin and get into the weeds a little bit,

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let me say hello to members of the chat. Good

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morning Stuke, Sir Scott uh YouTube Sports Card Hall of

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Famer and a regular contributor here. Thank you, sir. I

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thought that was oh yank me card Steve Okay confluenced

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sports card. That is Rubens Mad City Brute. Good morning, sir.

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Peter b is here. This Philly Joe Dave Peacemaker cards

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another one of our friends from Strongsville, as was of

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course the great Mookie Chilson, who I hope to see

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tomorrow at the Garfield Show. We've got foul Ball is here.

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Good morning, sir. That is Frank Gastella. I hope I

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got that right, Sir. Abe in Vegas is here. Laura

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is here as his baseball card curmudgeon who was up

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late with me in the Carlos stream hanging out. And yes,

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the busiest man on you too. So I was on

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with Carlos for four hours last night, I'm hosting Hobby Hotline,

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and tomorrow night eight o'clock I am on Bowman fifty

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three's channel for the first time in a couple of years.

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Alex invited me back on unbelievably all right, d I

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don't know hello. Person whose name.

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Speaker 2: Is too long for me, let's just call him Dean.

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Speaker 1: Mike, Jay Hawker, Mike, I I put this up on

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ig today. Thank you, sir. I purchased this from Mike

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at Strongsville at a pre arranged nineteen forty nine leave

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rookie card of Ted Kazuski. This wonderful card. The great

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Bob Boozl is here, Phil Negro fan Billy how are you, sir?

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And the great Gouger leb is here. Let's see hip

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hop Brian, how are you? I watched your video in

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your car. Mike Canadian Cars, who is also a Strongville

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and one of the people hanging out with us at

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many of the events. And of course the great Mike

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Cam is here this morning. Mike, I hope you're feeling better.

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He wasn't feeling so great last night. But Victor Strong,

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I watched your video. A couple of things. Do not

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ever go to Ramada's ever again?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 1: And apparently Bonefish was a good place and it was

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right next to my hotel and I never.

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Speaker 2: Went, so wow.

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Speaker 1: But more seriously, sir, I think you had a good time,

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and I'm glad to hear. And what are your thoughts

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about strongsmol? I think you're gonna be going back next year,

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which is great news.

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 2: It was my first Strongsville show. Ironically, such a popular

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show that's been going on for so many years and

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I'm only a five hour drive away and finally got

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to them. But just just to show the power of

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marketing here, I mean, what what drew me to Strongsville was,

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you know, the the the marketing that YouTubers are doing.

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A lot of us in the community constantly talking about Strongsville,

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and I'm like, well, let me check it out, you know,

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and I'm glad I did. A wife and I we

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were been really busy with a lot of different things

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and we haven't done anything for quite some time, and

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it was like, let's just get away for the weekend.

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Took my wife to the first card show she's ever

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been to and and she absolutely had a blast with

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me to show and overall, you know, my my my

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big takeaways is number one is I don't I don't

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think if we keep marketing this the way we are,

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and we keep in the YouTube space, we're going to

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make this like a destination show where we meet. I really,

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They're they're going to outgrow that building pretty quick. And

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I believe I heard Mike moynihan mention this in one

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of his videos. But I absolutely agree because I was

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having the exact same thoughts halfway through the show on

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a Saturday. I'm like, this is the first time they're

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putting on this combo show, and I'm like, they're going

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to outgrow this building, like within the next year or two.

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So that was a big takeaway. Also, really, I don't

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think I've ever seen that much raw vintage in one show,

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at least not at a regional show. There was a

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lot of vintage, a lot of raw vintage. You typically

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see venus like at the National, but it's like most

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of it is graded in high end grades. But here

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we had stuff at every price range and a lot

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of raw stuff if you're wanting to put I was

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kind of motivating it now to put together the nineteen

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seventy set because that was the year I was born,

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and I used to have this set.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to whole lot of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, I think I want to put this

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set together now now that I found Strongsville, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, interesting comment because I completed two sets

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at Strongsville, and because of the number of rock cards,

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and I knew which dealers to go to, and I

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knew them all personally, so it was a good scenario.

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And so obviously everybody was busy, so it wasn't like

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they were hanging out with me and chatting. But I

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was able to complete two sets. And Uncle Rich, you

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just did a podcast with doctor Jim about set completion,

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and I can tell you right now, we're out there.

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We're still around, and it was tough to get to

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some of these tables, like JD. Heckerthorne had set out

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a huge platform so that people could pull up chairs

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one by one by one, and you had to wait

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for the chair. It was like you couldn't just sit

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down and go, You had to wait for the chair

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until somebody was done. So I think in your podcast

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you talked about this and the question is our set

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builders still around? And I think the answer is yes, yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: One of the things in the podcast they are still around.

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It's just that when doctor Jim and I started, he

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started obviously before I did, but when we both started,

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almost everybody, even the dealers at the shows, were collectors,

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and because we have less sets, we all completed our sets. Yes,

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the difference is we're still a little bit older than

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a lot of collectors coming in nowadays. I mean, Victor

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is a young pupp He's only fifty five. He's a

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young one, and you're young too, And but not a

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lot of younger collectors are going to enjoy the chase

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of getting all the sixty nine commons in a set

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or a seven, you know, any of these sets.

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Speaker 1: It's such a thing as a common This is a

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common card, right right, common card Andy Messersmith nineteen sixty nine,

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comic card.

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Speaker 3: Ninety six, if I remember somewhere around there, if I

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remember correctly, that.

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Speaker 1: Is to ninety six. You, sir, are an encyclopedia. But

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here's my point, and I.

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Speaker 3: Wrote that I kind of you know, muscle memory on that.

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But that's a difference.

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Speaker 1: First, he's the first free agent in the history of baseball.

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Everything the kirk Flood did to get the contract to

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be changed, they then went to court, they went to

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an not to court, they went to an arbitrator, and

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they got free agency. And Andy mesher Smith was the person.

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And that's not a common cards. This is a very

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uncommon about the series.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a good it's a good card. I mean,

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it's an under It actually truly is in baseball history

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an undervalued card because it's not even that easy. It's easy,

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but not super easy. I mean, I'm with you, but

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you know there's there's not gonna be a lot of

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video of Andy Messersmith even twenty years from now. You'll

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have to be somebody like I am in Saber to

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really dig into who who's Andy s Mesrosmith. People won't

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remember and that's wrong, it's sad, but that's part of

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what it is.

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Speaker 1: So this comment is interesting, and you know we're getting

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off topic a little bit, and I want to get

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back to Victor what you talked about with it, because

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it was a comment from David Chase about the size

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of the show. David Chase is another person who was

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at this show. This is a good comment from kudu Lev.

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Set collecting is much tougher because dealers don't bring inventory

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of comments, and this is true, but you have to

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know which dealers to go to. And I was fortunate

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because I've been to Strungsfeld now three times in a row,

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and I knew these particular deal lists would in fact

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have the inventory, and that's how I was able to

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complete the sets. And I should mention Billy that Phil

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nicro Fan did complete the sixty four sent and he

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commented on that, and he and I were going from

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the show to the to the room to figure out

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which ones we still needed, back into the show get

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some cards. It was fun. It was like back and forth,

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and it was fun to hang out with him. But

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most dealers only bring showcase items of the goats, and

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I think that's correct, and to a certain extent, you know,

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that is an issue that we have to deal with.

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But Victor, you had mentioned be fair.

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Speaker 3: As a person who has set up at a lot

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of shows, your ROI, your return on investment for the

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table space you're paying, is not always going to be

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you know, it's a lot easier if you have showcases

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to sell one or two expensive cards, then there is

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a whole bulk of common cards. You know, when you

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have a reputation for selling cards, like Uncle Dick de Corsi,

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who's retiring, I think finally for the second time. You know,

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at the National one he'd have these setups, and then

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the Philly when he had the setups back in the

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day of Willow Grove and all these places. When you

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have a reputation for bringing commons, you can you can

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bring a lot more commons than somebody just coming and

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new too. You have to build up that reputation for

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having common comments.

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Speaker 1: So Victor, this is a this is a good comment.

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Strongsvill went from an ice rink to a school gym,

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which is true, and it was only in the ice

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rink for two years before it grew outgrew it. If

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a tendance keeps increasing, we'll be at the local mall

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and the time. I think that's a joke, but the

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reality is, what your point is is that they're already

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busting at the seams. And my thinking was this is

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a combined card show. The best way to do this

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would probably be to do Strongsville Vintage on one day

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because you got a whole nother part of the gym

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and Greene's show on another day when he could take over.

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So I think that the issue of them outgrowing the

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location might be just to make it Strongfield only, thoughts Victor, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's a that's a possibility. That's definitely gonna thin out

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the crowd or or better managed the crowd. I kind

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of I've never seen a show do that. I don't

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know how good of an idea that would be, but yeah,

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they definitely. They definitely need to rethink their location. I

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don't know what's out there, but if if they were

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to go into a bigger location and partner with with

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collectors and double down on the marketing and that sort

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of thing, I think I think we can pack out

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the next location as well.

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Speaker 3: We have a promoter here in Texas. This weekend, he's

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doing a show in Fort Worth that actually is both

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sports cards and TCG because it's a big room. It's

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four hundred tables, maybe even five hundred tables. The other

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shows he does is in a slightly smorral location. It's

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for me, it's an easy straight drive basically down one street,

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so I love going to that show. And what he

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does is the even the even months February, April, et

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cetera are sports card shows, January, March May, et cetera.

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Are TCG shows, So you could instead of one day

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and the other day. Because he tried that originally with

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Saturday being sports cards than Sunday being TCG, he realized

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for his audience it was better to split the shows

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into sports and then you know, obviously will be some

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tc There are a few TCG people there, you know

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that have that as part of their side gig and TCG,

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and I think there's probably one or two sports cards

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that drift into the TCG world, And I think that's

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a better way of doing it. Instead of one day

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and the other day. The Strongs Will Show went for

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several days. What was it, two or three days?

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Speaker 1: It was three parts part of Friday, Friday, afternoonday Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it's a three day show. So I would

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do I would do one one show, one big show vintage,

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one big show modern, and you can kind of intersperse.

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nineties there were vintage shows, and the rule for the

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vintage shows were really simple. You really weren't supposed to

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bring in anything modern but your show. If you had showcases,

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you couldn't have modern cards in the showcase. The only

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part you could have in your showcase were vintage cards.

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Speaker 1: The Strongs Will Show has those kinds of restrictions. Although

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you can't, I mean you can have some, you could

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have some. It's not like entirely, but you was supposed

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to have a certain amount of vintage. And this is

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good news. Orlando will be attending throws every year.

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Speaker 2: I think a bad take that I might have, and

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maybe the chat can chime in those who were there,

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But in my opinion, I don't I didn't see the

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TCG tables as busy as the sports card tables, and

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I don't know does that area have a market for

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filling up a TCG show. I don't even think there

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was that many TCG dealers there as opposed to sports

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card dealers.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think that's a bad dank.

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Speaker 3: To be honest. Once your show has a reputation as

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a vented show the TCG people, that's not a TCG show,

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you know. Bo I saw a Bose comment and for

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him it works. Well. He doesn't have, you know, three

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hundred tables. He has a fire remember one hundred and

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seventy five tables at the Madison Call card show. And

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I think he and I think he does something very

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similar when he uses i'll call up the arena or

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the bigger location he uses where he splits the sports

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card park and the TCG part. If I remember his

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podcast correctly on that everybody does it differently, but strong

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Will has such a reputation. I was at Strongeville in

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nineteen ninety two. It was a vintage show in nineteen

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ninety two, twenty twenty six, it's still a vintage show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been going on sinceineteen seventy nine, and I've

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been going on for longer than that. But yeah, So

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Orlando's point here is that, yeah, there were there were

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vintage dealers on the modern side, and some of them

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were because they were late getting in. Some of it

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was just you know, there wasn't enough room for it.

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So if you really took all the vintage guys, it's

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more than half of the gym. That being said, I

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don't know how you do it unless you do two

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different shows. But you know, I don't know if that

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if that's what's going to happen, but we'll see. I mean,

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these guys have the Expo guys, you know, Steve menzi

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and and Mikey Singer who you know, major shout out

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to them for organizing this and having it come out

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like as well as it did. You know. They they're

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guys with ideas and their ideas, guys who have made

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it a really successful up in Canada and they've made

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it successful Strongsfield. So I feel like they'll they'll figure

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it out and then we'll figure it out.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you. I just you know, And they'll figure

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out whether it's the Bow the Bow Spencer Thompson way

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of doing one day and one day, or splitting the

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room up, or just doing two separate shows like Dan

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here does at the nt X shows here in the

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DFW area. So they'll figure out what they're most comfortable with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, Mookie Chilsen is a very funny person.

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I hope to see Mookie tomorrow. I think I already

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said this at Garfield Rich I'm going to Tallas today.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I love the I love the Garfield

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cart Show. I went to that shows off and back

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in the day. It's a wonderful show. Gary's a good

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friend of mine. I know I still know many of

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the vendors in that room. It's it's a really it's

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an inexpensive fun show that He's raised a ton of

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money for the Boys and Girls Club that way, So

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I'm glad Gary keeps battling through his health issues.

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Speaker 1: That's tomorrow. But today I'm going to Dallas. Okay, albeit

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it's in New Jersey, but I'm going to the card show.

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Speaker 3: Gotcha, that's okay. We'd love to have you Dallas. I could,

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I could send it to this fourth fourth worst show.

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I think he'd enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I would, but I'm not. I'm making a

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joke about that. Is a Dallas show in New Jersey today?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Yes? Yes? Have you ever been?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been in New Jersey?

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Speaker 3: Have you?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: And one of the things, and that's correct, it's a

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Dallas card show in New Jersey. And one of the

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things is that Kyle Robertson and his team, and We've

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talked about this on Doctor Beckett's podcast, Excuse Me, they

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have an arrangement with an autograph show. People have been

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autographed show promoters, but they weren't getting enough sports card people.

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So they bring a lot of good autograph guests to

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the Dallas card Show. In return, Kyle and his team

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bring a lot of sports card people and they are

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a good sports card conduit to go to these people

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shows in the Cincinnati area, in the Chicago area, and

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now the Dallas Card Show at Raretson Center.

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Speaker 1: So I'll I'm going because I not because I'm I'm

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burned out on card shows. I just spent a week

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in Ohio, but I need content. So there you go,

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I'm curious. Let me You know when you post, it's

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curiosity too. Yeah, yeah, it's curiosity. And you know who knows.

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I'm working a card show next weekend. I need a

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little bit inventory, so we'll see what happens. But anyway,

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so next topic. People have mentioned this in the chat.

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It's it's I don't think a topic we're going to

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spend that much time on, but it is something to

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discuss and that's that. This week a lawsuit came out

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filed in I think it was the Central District of

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California federal court. An individual who seeks to have him

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have his case classified as a class action, is suing

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Collector's Universe for anti trust violations. The complaint is very thorough.

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The complaint is written by a law firm, a good

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law firm, and it's thorough because it goes over the

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different reasons why and the different things that have happened

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that make the allegation of an anti trust violation realistic,

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which is that a big conglomerate bought smaller grading companies

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and are now under one umbrella, and it creates what

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is called an illegal restraint of trade. You don't have

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to have a monopoly. It has to be an illegal

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restraint of trade, and that's the lawsuit. And I think

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that that it was played well. I have some issues

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legally with it that I'm not going to get into

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the weeds on it. But I'm just wondering your thoughts

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on this, Victor. I know that you have I think

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you have talked about it. Well, possibly you'll talk about

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it in your in your weekly video tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I noticed that your head is chopped off again

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like last night on Carlos Channel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Dan, I was really wanting to hear your your take

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on it most because of course your your background. I

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don't have a lot of background, although lawsuits do interest me,

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this one in particular. There you go, this one.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: My my only thought on it is, I don't I

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don't see it to have a lot of teeth. That's

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I'm just me speculating. However, when you take when you

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start to add these accusations or actual lawsuits, when you

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start stacking these things up and you and then you

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add the one from the one Congressman pat Ryan already

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has their eye on them, right, and uh, this all

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these lawsuits and complaints start to compound and eventually, I

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think the rubber band snaps that. That's kind of my

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view on it. At the moment.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. But let's let's hear from

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from Uncle Rich first.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, and I think Victor nailed it. You you're

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a lawyer. I'm not, even though I stated a holiday

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and holiday and express lesson. But Victor, I think nailed

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it in terms of maybe not individually any of these work,

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but the grand totality of stuff going on in the

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hobby that's always been somewhat a little bit interesting may change.

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You know, you saw Paul LESCo and what Nott's already

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made some changes based on the arbitration cases. Lesco's lost

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law thing has law firm, has posted about it, and

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he's adding people. And someday hopefully he'll come on the

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channel again when this is when that is closer to completion,

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and I'd love to hear his take on this as well.

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But when stuff starts happening, that's when maybe not one,

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it may be the twentieth one down the line, but

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then the damn may break. And that's and that's why

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I think Victor nailed it. This may not be the

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right case there will be one that gets everything going. Look,

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Live Nation just just got found guilty in court of

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some antitrust violation and supposedly they're gonna have to pay

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a lot of money. I haven't gone to a concert

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in so many years that it doesn't affect me. But

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the people who spent all that money on the tickets,

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they may very well get some money back, which is

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great for them. Right now. You know, there are pros

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and costs that have a very regulated market. We're in

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a very unregulated market, and there's a lot of cons

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to that, but there's also some pros to that that

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we can do what we want to some extent. Unfortunately,

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when you do what you want, sometimes you don't always

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do it perfectly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I agree with Victor that the more this happens,

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the more eventually somebody will say something and something will

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will the damn will break essentially. So what we have here, though,

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is we have an individual, a single individual, who, if

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it is not classified as a class action, will probably

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fail because of something called standing. So pay attention to

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the word standing. That's all. I'm not going to get

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into it. It's a legal thing. I don't want to

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I don't want to lecture people on the law. But

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00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,480
the problem is, generally speaking, that he only has a

474
00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:17,920
small amount of damage and he's asking for a very

475
00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:21,119
large reward and a very large set of things for

476
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,240
the court to do. Break up the company just because

477
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,920
you paid a little extra for for you know, some

478
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:31,200
grading which was probably wrong and gave you worse numbers

479
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,799
than you would have gotten otherwise, that doesn't give you

480
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:35,880
the right to break up the company. So that's kind

481
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,640
of the problem. But if you get a class action

482
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,799
and you have four hundred people saying this happened to us,

483
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,960
that gives more power to the court to do the

484
00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:46,640
kind of remedies that that person is seeking. But again,

485
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,839
we'll see what happens. I think standing's gonna be a problem.

486
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,039
I did. I did a little bit of background on

487
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,160
it afterwards, but we'll see. I also would love to

488
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,960
have Paul on here. Paul was on my channel a

489
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,119
couple of years ago. Uh, great, great knowledge of not

490
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,960
only the law, but also a great hobby knowledge. So

491
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,640
really would be a trufic guest.

492
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 3: So Paul is definitely a dedicated hobbyist, So yes, that's

493
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,200
what makes him. So you just like you, Dan, that's

494
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,160
what's that, you know, And that's why I'd love to

495
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,440
hear the two of you chatigan, because two lawyers can

496
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:22,160
explain things and layman terms is something we need in

497
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:22,599
the hobby.

498
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: Well, we spent that time talking about cards.

499
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 3: It was funny they had a down time for suits

500
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,480
in the hobby at that point.

501
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,839
Speaker 1: Well, the concept was we're going through the history. You know,

502
00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:36,240
I'm the history guy, I'm also a card guy, and

503
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,839
I'm also a lawyer. So it was perfect to have

504
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,960
Paul on to talk about how different lawsuits had affected

505
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,720
the hobby. So we went all the way back to

506
00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:46,640
like the Double Play in nineteen forty one. We talked

507
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,920
about the Burke Ross thing, we talked about some of

508
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,480
the issues between Flear and Tops and so you know,

509
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:55,880
it was kind of like historical and legal and also cards.

510
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,160
So I thought that was a fun show. But you know,

511
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,440
it was very early in the history of my channel,

512
00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:01,759
so not that many I remember.

513
00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 3: It doesn't Paul collect items related.

514
00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: To all those lawsuits exactly, yep, So we show a

515
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:11,599
lot of cards. So, uh, speaking of legal stuff, eBay

516
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,880
recently made a change which I think is important. I

517
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,160
don't know what the effect is going to be but

518
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,240
they eliminated and it's not not yet, it's I think

519
00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:23,880
it becomes effective like May thirteenth or something. And it's

520
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,240
only as to auctions, and it's only in the in

521
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:29,599
the United States, and it eliminates the ability of the

522
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,160
buyer who wins the auction to cancel without permission of

523
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,759
the seller. And I think that's important because it was

524
00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:42,079
something that was probably abused. Victor thoughts on this sigh.

525
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 2: Of relief And the only thing that came to my

526
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:49,000
mind when I read this headline was it's about time.

527
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,359
You're only a decade or two but late, but I'll

528
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,599
take it. Good move.

529
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,279
Speaker 1: So what do you think the effect is going to be?

530
00:27:57,319 --> 00:27:59,759
I mean, what are they what are they actually helping

531
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,480
to take place for sellers who people say are not

532
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:05,519
protect as much as they should be uneven? What do

533
00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:07,039
you think that what do you think this is going

534
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,000
to do for sellers?

535
00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 3: Well, I know bo is in the chat and he's

536
00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:13,559
on eBay Live, and I'd love to hit for Tim

537
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,240
just to say how often has stuff been canceled on

538
00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:19,640
him after he is after he had made his you know,

539
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,960
his sales, because those are technically auctions, right, So i'd

540
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,720
love to, you know, and he doesn't have to go

541
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:27,200
through details. I'm just curious about how often that happens

542
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:30,519
to him. And I think it's better because I think

543
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:34,640
that's better because you don't and there's always a legitimate

544
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,319
you know, and in life, there's always a legitimate reason

545
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:40,920
that sometimes does pop up. And I get that, you know.

546
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,599
Speaker 2: But they still left that window open if.

547
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: The most of the most of the reasons are not

548
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,160
legitimate that I've seen over the years, but there are

549
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:50,480
legitimate reasons.

550
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:53,559
Speaker 2: It's putting regulation on the on the speculators and the

551
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:56,880
flippers who want to like purchase something during the game

552
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,319
because of certain players doing really good and and then

553
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:04,799
the player fails to accomplish whatever, and then they canceled

554
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:07,000
a bid. And there's a lot of that here type

555
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:07,680
of stuff going on.

556
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: Here's your example, Drake May before the Super Bowl. If

557
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,880
you have bought a Drake May card on aud auction

558
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:16,200
on Saturday, thinking he's going to have a great game

559
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,799
on the Super Bowl on Sunday, and he played terrible

560
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:21,880
and he didn't play real well. I think he played terribly,

561
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,680
but the Seahawks defense certainly had a lot to do

562
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:28,039
with that. But he did not play well, and then

563
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:30,759
on Monday you get that note I'm canceling for whatever reason.

564
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,359
That's really what they're trying to advent. Thank you both

565
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,920
for answering the question. Thank you. I appreciate you you

566
00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:41,160
answering the question. And yeah, so he's so he's getting

567
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,400
about one to two percent. It looks like cancelations and

568
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,319
that's you know, one to two percent isn't bad, you know,

569
00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:52,480
as he says, most of eBay Live is auto pay immediately.

570
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:57,400
But one to two percent if that's If it's higher

571
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,680
than that, then this is a great rule. But if

572
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,519
it's to two percent, and it's just going to make

573
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:03,480
maybe make it a half a percent, and anything that

574
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:06,519
cuts this down is great, and it'll prevent the Drake

575
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:10,799
May things or Bam bam on the Miami Heat who

576
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,119
got tripped up and got hurt. You know, if you

577
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,359
were gambling that the Heat was going to go deeper

578
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:19,799
in the playoffs and after LaMelo ball tripped him and

579
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:22,519
he got hurt and all that, right, all of this,

580
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,720
and then you canceled. Oh, well you know what I

581
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:28,240
screwed up? Well, yeah, you screwed up because he got hurt.

582
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,960
And that's really where I think a lot of the problem.

583
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,279
Speaker 1: Is I think he means the buyer doing something to

584
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:37,960
the card and saying the card was damage and the

585
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,240
mailing process. Yeah, I mean the problem, the problem for

586
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:45,480
eBay is that you're never really going to eliminate scummy

587
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:49,960
and scammy people from the you know, platform, the commerce.

588
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,119
So it's going to happen. And it's just a question

589
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,279
of trying to do whatever they can do in you know,

590
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,480
in their processes to eliminate a certain small percent of it.

591
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,759
And you know, Auto pay probably helps or helped or

592
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,160
continues to help certainly, and this is something that I

593
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,400
think is going to help also, you know, but guys

594
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,200
are still going to do the thing you can always

595
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,759
still ask Sellers are still going to get the my

596
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,960
son clicked this at two am, you know, by mistake

597
00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:21,240
thing or you know, there's always going to be somebody

598
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,880
asking for but now it's it's not automatic and they

599
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,480
can say no and send the car down. So you know,

600
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:31,000
it's something that at least adds more protection for sellers,

601
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:33,480
which as people have you know, sitt in the chat

602
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:36,440
and I said earlier, sellers are not necessarily the high

603
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,079
priority of eBay. eBay makes money, generally speaking, off of

604
00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:44,039
the buyers, so you know that's what that uh, you know,

605
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,880
they have competing interests and but ultimately, you know, it's

606
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,119
it's something I think that in the long run is

607
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:50,839
probably good.

608
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: And we had a legitimate case a couple of months ago.

609
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,880
Sues the Fate you know, works at Seed. You see

610
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,680
a very well known Derek Cheater collector and she posted

611
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:03,440
her son, actually her son actually went through the process

612
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,319
and bought a card on honey eBay and she honored

613
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:09,119
the purchase. It was like five or ten dollars, so

614
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,200
she honored the purchase. But she goes, it actually happened

615
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,480
to me where my son actually bought a card, you know,

616
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:16,519
at the age of five and knew how to do

617
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:20,599
it from watching how mommy did it. And so it

618
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,960
does happen legitimately.

619
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:25,559
Speaker 1: Too Well, they say, you know, uncle Rich, we need

620
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:28,440
new blood in the hobby. So even if a great

621
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:34,000
job of that, ah well, we raced through all the topics.

622
00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:36,839
Oh oh, there was one other thing we wanted to

623
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:41,279
talk about, which was that, uh was it hops Chrome

624
00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:42,680
football came out this week?

625
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: Boy did it?

626
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,599
Speaker 1: It was really cheap and it was a great value, right,

627
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,880
is that my wrong about that?

628
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 3: It it let's just say it hit flaming and got

629
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,799
hotter from there. You know. I was, as I said,

630
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:56,559
I was handing out flyers at some of my friend's stores,

631
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,640
and I had heard, you know, from reading some of

632
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,559
the stuff about what was going on. So the first

633
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:05,599
store I went to on Thursday, walked in. The owner,

634
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:08,559
the person who helps him opening the store wasn't there,

635
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:10,599
so he was actually there. And we usually chat at

636
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,839
the big shows, but he was actually there. So we

637
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:16,200
were chatting and I bought some cards from his two

638
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,839
dollars bin. The best best card I bought, I'm not

639
00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:20,319
going to make any money on it, but the best

640
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:22,880
card I bought. It was damaged on the back, but

641
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,880
a fifty four Johnson Braves Joe Adcott. I was happier.

642
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,000
I was happy with that card than any of the

643
00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:31,720
other cards are going to make money on. So that

644
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:34,160
was good stuff. I was like, hey, this is cool.

645
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,880
I don't care if I make any money on this card.

646
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,160
I mean, I could see the back was obviously damaged,

647
00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:40,720
but it's like, I don't care. This is fine, this

648
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:45,319
is this is a win. And he was telling me

649
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,880
the packs. You know, we discussed what the prices were doing,

650
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:51,200
and he says he actually sold some pats you one

651
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,359
hundred and ninety dollars a pack because people wanted to

652
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,200
be involved in the opening day of Tops Chrome Football.

653
00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:02,000
You know, fanatics sent people clock countdown clocks for the

654
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:05,200
release of Tops Chrome Flipball. They did a lot of stuff.

655
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,519
They sent swag to a lot of their store owners.

656
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,760
You know, they did a really good job promoting it.

657
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,159
But even I don't think even they thought it would

658
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,519
explode the way it did on the secondary mark and

659
00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:19,800
and Neo did a great video explaining I don't know

660
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,880
who to you know, there's no blame. It's just we

661
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,800
have to accept this because everybody's doing what they have

662
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,800
to do to get through. You know, the store owners,

663
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,360
if they sell it too cheaply, somebody's gonna buy it

664
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,760
out and flip it so they can't sell it too cheaply.

665
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,039
You know, the customers have the right to say I

666
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:39,480
buy it or I don't buy it. You know, everybody's

667
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,639
got the right to say yes or no. And I

668
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,679
think that's one of the things in the business where

669
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,760
everybody's got the right to say yes or no to anything.

670
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,119
You know, you bought your fifty you finished your fifty

671
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,239
two Bowman set, which is a great set, and there's

672
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,280
seventy two top set, which is another great set at

673
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,960
at Strongsville, and you know, finishing those sets are great.

674
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,920
But if some somebody was charging twenty dollars instead of

675
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,440
ten dollars for a raw seventy two high number, you

676
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,199
have every right to say that's double what it should be.

677
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: I don't want I did. I turned away from some people,

678
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,440
I went to other you know, I had choices. But

679
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,760
that's the problem with this, and this is a good point.

680
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,599
The breakers got the allocation. I mean when Neo said

681
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,199
that Burbank Cards in the first wave of allocation got

682
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,480
three boxes, I mean that's insane. The biggest and maybe

683
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:33,000
the best card shop in the country and they get

684
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,920
such poor allocation first round. That to me, that's a problem.

685
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:41,039
Speaker 3: And yes, and in fact Rob even posted how what

686
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:44,119
if his friends in the New England area got nothing?

687
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,800
So you know, we definitely want to have the stores

688
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,000
getting the problem. Another store I went into on Friday

689
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,760
and there are some political reasons involved. Nothing with him personally,

690
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,599
just where the store is located and what's around him.

691
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,239
He's working around on the edges to get Top. He

692
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,159
worked around the edges to get tops Chrome football into

693
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:07,360
the store to make one hundred dollars a box, because

694
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,960
he does he is not direct with fanatics, but he

695
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:14,000
knows his customers want things in. As a matter of fact,

696
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:17,679
he's doing something innovative to compete with the stores that

697
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,719
get direct. Is that even though he's making us, he's

698
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:24,960
kind of reducing his profit even more. But if you

699
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:28,039
open the box in the store and you pull something

700
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:30,320
decent or something you want, he will send it to

701
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,960
PSA free, so you don't you know, and you don't

702
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,320
have to pay for it. He is sending it to

703
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:34,960
PSA free.

704
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: This comment is fantastic. Reasonably price retail wax is what

705
00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:41,920
built the loyalty to and nostalgia for the hobby. And

706
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,639
I agree with that. What experience is the hobby building?

707
00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:47,280
Now from the retail side, if everybody is getting burned,

708
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,559
if you're paying too much money and you're not getting

709
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:53,039
any return, I mean, this is the You could say, yeah,

710
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:55,199
everybody has the choice to buy or not buy, but

711
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:57,880
this is a problem. And I think that this is

712
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:58,719
a point.

713
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: And here's the thing I want to say this I

714
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,400
think fanatics knows that intuitively, but it's really hard when

715
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,400
you're a business. You know, if I watched a lot

716
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,320
of the content that came out of the TOPS Industry Conference,

717
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,960
even though I liked to say I don't watch much

718
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,000
hobby stuff that I actually paid a lot of attention to,

719
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,960
and a lot of the material that came out of

720
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,800
the TOPS Hobby Conference was about the joy of collecting,

721
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:25,400
and all people that you know that gave the speeches

722
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,400
talked about buying the cards. Early nineties, mid nineties. Your

723
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,320
barrier to entry in those days was a lot cheaper.

724
00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:35,760
You know, if you joined the hoteen ninety one and

725
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,280
we had thirty thousand accounts at Beckett at the time

726
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:41,719
there was Top Stadium Club exploded. But for most of

727
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,000
the products, you could spend twenty or thirty dollars and

728
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:47,719
get five hundred and forty cards. Chris Harris, as I

729
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,519
see he's in the chat, he's probably salivating. Oh, I'd

730
00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:52,039
love to go back and get those five hundred and

731
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:52,880
forty cards.

732
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: You know. But the problem is you can say love

733
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:00,079
of collecting all you want at this get together, and

734
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,679
you could throw out all the corporate you know, happy

735
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:05,239
speak you want, but the reality is if you don't,

736
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,840
if your actions, you know, defy what you're saying, this

737
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,519
is a problem. If Fanatics thinks that they can do collets.

738
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,079
Speaker 3: I want to collect a little bit on this. Fanatics

739
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:21,639
has been doing something for the stores that is, in

740
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:25,599
my opinion, a very underrated part. They do understand that

741
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:28,760
not everybody can afford even one hundred and ninety dollars packs,

742
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,079
and a lot of the material you see at the Walmarts,

743
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:34,760
at the targets, at the big box stores you can

744
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,800
now also pick up if you're lucky enough to have

745
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,639
a card store the area and they have a direct account,

746
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,440
you can get the retail type boxes at your local

747
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,360
card store. And they understand that everybody has to have

748
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,079
a price point they can come in on. So I

749
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,639
want to give them some credit for that. But it

750
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,440
is a dichotomy that I don't think you and I

751
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:58,000
or Victor or anybody even in our chat can really fix,

752
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:03,280
because this is been going on forever, but now it's

753
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,480
just hyper hyper escalate and I don't you know, and

754
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:09,599
it you know, and that's and that's something where and

755
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:12,159
we talked about the other things with the lawsuits. If

756
00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:15,800
the damn ever breaks, well, then then things will calm down.

757
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:18,440
The question is does the dam ever break?

758
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: In This comment from from bo is that you know

759
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,960
he went to Dixon, they had tons of products. The

760
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,159
why is Dix getting mountains of boxes and Burbank is

761
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:31,519
getting three? How does that serve the hobby? I don't

762
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:33,679
understand that, Victor thoughts.

763
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: I, you know, there's I've been hearing a lot of

764
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,119
videos on the topic, and there's a lot of complaints,

765
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:45,000
And I don't blame people for complaining. It's it's definitely ridiculous,

766
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:47,599
and there's a lot of we're like Nick, pick every

767
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:51,559
single thing that fanatics is doing again with with cause.

768
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:56,719
I just think that what is not talked about and

769
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,079
and probably not looked at completely is the demand that

770
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,760
is out there, and none of this would be happening

771
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,039
if the demand was not so high. I think demand

772
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:12,400
is so high that fanatics themselves are having challenges and

773
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:18,159
difficulty meeting that demand. And yes, there is imbalances with distribution,

774
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,440
but I do think in time, because they're completely new

775
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:25,840
to having all three licenses, it's fairly new for them,

776
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,559
but I think in time they're going to make small

777
00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:32,480
adjustments and try to balance the scale on all sides,

778
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,679
and they'll figure it out.

779
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: That's what we do.

780
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 3: And there was a great quote saying they copy the

781
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,280
Panini playbook. I mean, it's the Panini Prism football. Because

782
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,599
of downtowns and kaboons and all these hobby things. The

783
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:50,960
boxes were thousand dollars because they were all chasing that

784
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,440
great insert and people were paying it. You know, you know,

785
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:58,760
I watched the shows people paying money for these boxes

786
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,679
that seem absolutely same as I said. I sit with

787
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:03,400
one of my friends for a couple for an hour

788
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:06,360
or two every Dallas card show just we chat about

789
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,480
the hobby. But I also watch what goes on, and

790
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,639
it's fascinating to sit and watch the new card world

791
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,639
at one of the biggest and best card shows in

792
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:16,159
the country.

793
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,679
Speaker 1: Wait. Wait, so I did get a question here, and

794
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,360
I think it's a fair question, and I don't and

795
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,199
I am happy to answer it. Yes, I use the

796
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:32,079
term inventory for vintage cards, and yes, I plead guilty

797
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,400
said it because sometimes I have to go out and

798
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:40,519
I have boxes, boxes, boxes and boxes filled with uncommons

799
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:43,599
because I go to card shows and I set up

800
00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:46,239
and I have huge boxes of of you know, three

801
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,239
thousand count boxes, five thousand count boxes of commons of

802
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,519
extras cards that I already own already in my sets

803
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:56,280
down on the here, and I sell them at very

804
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,320
reasonable rates, I might add, and then I use that

805
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,800
money to buy fancy cards for me. So's that's what

806
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,840
I'm doing, and that way I don't have to go

807
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,159
into my own personal funds that are you know, my

808
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,400
wife and I have so that we can live our

809
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,199
lives and help our children and pay our rent and

810
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,920
all that other stuff. I have hobby money that I

811
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,119
make at shows to do hobby things. And to me,

812
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,679
I think that's that's what I mean by inventories.

813
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,119
Speaker 2: Card collectors have been doing that for decades.

814
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 3: Dan to defend Dan on that, We've talked a lot

815
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,039
about this on Doctor Beckett's podcast. He was a collector.

816
00:42:33,519 --> 00:42:35,480
Most of the people in the seventies when he was

817
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:40,360
doing shows before he became the price guy Guru, were collectors.

818
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,119
They would go to the shows and they would buy

819
00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:46,480
these large collections, you know, from people locally where they

820
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:48,960
lived or whatever, and they would go to the shows.

821
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,320
They would sell cards to people so they could buy

822
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,679
cards for their own collection. And yes, they had an

823
00:42:55,679 --> 00:42:59,800
inventory that Dan is really a nineteen seventies baseball card,

824
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,599
you know, that's really what he is. He's a seven

825
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,960
BT card dealer. He could be back in the seventies

826
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:06,760
and be happy.

827
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: And the prices keep going up the way they are,

828
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:10,599
We're all going to become dealers.

829
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: This is inventory, this is collection. That's the difference.

830
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,599
Speaker 3: And there's nothing wrong. And you know this, and you

831
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:19,480
know I'm going to defend Dan. This is what we

832
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:23,480
did fifty forty fifty years ago. Yeah, the world has changed,

833
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:26,840
but that's that's fairly common in the seventies and even

834
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,639
into the eighties, where the people setting up at the

835
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:33,039
shows had jobs. It was a weekend business for them.

836
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,039
They were collectors and they would use the money they

837
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:39,639
made at the shows to buy items for their collection.

838
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:43,400
That was a normal course of the event. The hobby

839
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,000
has evolved, and Dan, to his credit, because he's able

840
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:49,239
to do that, is able to set up at shows

841
00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:54,320
and sell material that he purchases to fund items so

842
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,440
he can finish. You know, notice how proud he is

843
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,480
that he finished his fifty two Boonemen set. That's not

844
00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:01,639
an easy set to finish, those last thirty six cards

845
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:04,599
two seventeen to two fifty two are no joy. There

846
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:06,880
is a Willie Mason there that's really not a joy

847
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:07,320
to find.

848
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: I thought we were going to do a segment about

849
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:11,400
rising vintage prices. Did we do that?

850
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: Do that or any Now, by the way, you as

851
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:17,840
as I say that I do have a job. It

852
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,199
might not be the greatest job, and people might not

853
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,480
be a big fan of it, but I do have

854
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:24,800
a job. So I'm that money is for my family

855
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,639
and my life and for my rent and to buy

856
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:30,719
clothes and all different kinds of stuff. But the reality

857
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,719
is that the hobby pays for the hobby is exactly

858
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,960
what Uncle Rich was saying. It's been going on for

859
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:37,559
years and that's what it is. But I do a

860
00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:42,559
real job. So yes, vintage card prices, this is one

861
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,119
of my bug a boos because Victor, you just came

862
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:47,880
from the show. You saw it. Was there some museum pricing,

863
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,280
sure there was? Was there decent pricing, sure there was.

864
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,000
It was a big show, so there was all different.

865
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:55,559
It's a whole spectrum of prices. But generally speaking, vintage

866
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,559
cards are very expensively. And you brought it up, and

867
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:02,159
we brought it up in the in the pre planning

868
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:04,519
of the show, So why don't you take it away victory.

869
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been noticing I noticed specifically at at Strongsville.

870
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,800
I've been noticing a lot of complaints on social media.

871
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:16,039
Even using looking at card Ladder indexes, you can see

872
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:20,400
the vintage market. And and here's what I've been noticing

873
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,360
is a trend, and that is, Uh, some of these

874
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,800
dealers they do not care about comps and and and

875
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,119
they're blowing way past the comps. Why is that happening. Well,

876
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:36,639
it's happening because they're going way past comps and it's selling.

877
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:41,440
So there is a sect of people, whether they be novices,

878
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,119
whether they be don't I don't know what the deal is,

879
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:46,519
whether they need repack merchandise, I don't know why they're

880
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:51,000
paying those higher prices, but it's happening. So it's making

881
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:57,079
me kind of reconsider my strategy. And and I'm really

882
00:45:57,159 --> 00:45:59,920
needing to kind of take a step back. I know

883
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:04,199
you spoke about this in a recent video, but I'm

884
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,320
not going to pay these inflated prices. I will wait

885
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:12,280
for a market correction, and I think the wise collector

886
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:17,159
is should take the same approach. Unless I'm missing something, Guys.

887
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 3: One thing about vintage prices also, and I do want

888
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,239
to ask you we're talking about graded car graded card

889
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,679
prices or raw prices?

890
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Graded? Yeah?

891
00:46:26,639 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: Okay, So I will point you know, you also talked

892
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,679
about about raw cards, you know, And I don't think

893
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,280
from what I see, and granted it's a Dallas card show,

894
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,480
which is a big show, but not really a super

895
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:42,199
vintage based show, I don't see vintage comments exploding in

896
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,920
raw the way they are for graded, for higher condition graded.

897
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,000
And the world is there aren't that many high grade

898
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:53,719
vintage cards available and you are competing with other people

899
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,440
who want to buy certain cards. I don't, you know,

900
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,400
it depends what you're looking for. I think there's always,

901
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:02,960
as Victory is pointing out, there's always ways around everything,

902
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,800
and you have to figure out what lane to be

903
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,400
in and what you're comfortable with. I was looking up

904
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,239
a guy named Mimo Luna the other day, who's a

905
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,079
fifty four bowman. He never played a Major league game.

906
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,400
He's got a great.

907
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,039
Speaker 1: Name, Memo Memo Luna. I think he did actually play

908
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:23,440
one game. He played one game, played in fifty three,

909
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:24,880
and then they put him in the back of the

910
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,000
fifty four set. He's like one of the last cards

911
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:27,559
in the set.

912
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,159
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the second series, thankfully, in fifty four Bowmen

913
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,199
is not super tough. It's tougher, but not super tough.

914
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,360
But it's a little tougher than the first series.

915
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: And fantastic question memo.

916
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 3: I remember and this is nineteen eighty five at one

917
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,000
of my friends stores, my friends Henry and Hunt, Henry

918
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,519
Davis and Hans jew Belt at HNH Hobby and Garfield

919
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:54,360
and Garfield is a you're going to Garfield later. But

920
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,480
Garfield is a middle lower middle class town. It is

921
00:47:57,559 --> 00:47:59,159
not a high christ area.

922
00:47:59,559 --> 00:47:59,639
Speaker 1: Ed.

923
00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 3: When this guy could not buy fifty four bowmens anymore

924
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,840
at a quarter each, he stopped working on the set.

925
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,360
That was the price, you know. When he started, he

926
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,519
could buy them at a quarter, and once it got

927
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:12,000
past the quarter, he didn't want to buy anymore. And

928
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:16,360
so everybody always has a price limit to what they

929
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,760
want to do. And speaking of speaking of guests, Oh,

930
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:24,159
my dog has decided she may want to go out,

931
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:26,159
So if you forgive me for a minute, so I'm

932
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:28,880
going to let miss Charlie.

933
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,599
Speaker 1: Out, all right, so you can let her out.

934
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:33,639
Speaker 3: Okay, my wife is letting her.

935
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:35,119
Speaker 1: Out Okay, there you go.

936
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,639
Speaker 3: All right, Well, hey, it's good to get help. But

937
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,039
I'm always happy to let miss Charlie go out.

938
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: It's a team. It's a team you got going on there,

939
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,360
and it's a team we have more so.

940
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 3: But the point is that everybody has a price point

941
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,679
at some point where they just say no, right. I

942
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,800
paid two dollars each for a bunch. I bought some

943
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,679
vintage cards after a couple of my friend's stores, and

944
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,239
they were two dollars each. And and I picked cards

945
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:04,360
because I don't I've had my collection. I don't collect it.

946
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:08,119
Everything I buy is designed to be sold at some point.

947
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:11,320
But I know what I can do. But I enjoy

948
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,719
looking at the old cards more than I enjoy looking

949
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,119
at I'm going through some inventory right now, I was pricing.

950
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:22,400
I enjoy that more than I enjoy this rookie year.

951
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:25,920
Josh Allen honestly gotta get the right one. Rookie year.

952
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:29,679
Josh Allen Panini illusions him and Jim Kelly card. I

953
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,239
prefer ventage. But though you know, if I can make

954
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,039
money on a modern card, guess what, it's good enough.

955
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 2: We got to show cards, so we'll get criticized.

956
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:39,519
Speaker 1: I show cards.

957
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 3: Damn you did like to finish your second or something similar.

958
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: My point is taking a pivot from the market. I've

959
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:53,599
decided to revisit an old project that I have or

960
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:59,760
Sammy Sosa nineties inserts and having a blast at five

961
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:03,639
ten twenty dollars range, and I'm picking up fabulous cards

962
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:04,559
from that era.

963
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,119
Speaker 3: So eventually Sammy will make the Hall of Fame, by

964
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,880
the way, those numbers will eventually put him into the Hall.

965
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: I hope I had an effect on you, Victor when

966
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,800
I did that video. All right, So I love this question.

967
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,039
I love this question, and there is an answer to it,

968
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:21,639
which is a smart answer. Do you think some of

969
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:24,320
the bigger dealers put a premium on their cards due

970
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,960
to the traffic they get at shows? And I think

971
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,119
what what Mike may be talking about are some of

972
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:33,599
these dealers that Ruben later on pointed out that some

973
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:36,199
of us on YouTube and I'm responsible for this. I

974
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,559
name the dealers that I get cards from, and I

975
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:40,960
get a lot of cards from the same dealers. Did

976
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,039
we make them celebrities and therefore they think they can

977
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,599
charge more and get away with it. I think that's

978
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:49,280
a great point, both of both Mike and Rubin with

979
00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:51,519
some really good points on this, and I think the

980
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:54,360
problem is that it might be it might be the

981
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,920
case that if you go to a certain guy and

982
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,639
I'm not going to name them because we're not talking

983
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:00,960
about them in a positive way this at this point.

984
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:04,559
But if you go to a certain guy and you've

985
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:08,280
got ten fifteen YouTubers telling you this guy's great, he's

986
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,360
got great inventory, you should go to him and then

987
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,039
you'll be able to show and you can do a

988
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:13,960
little thing on it and you can get content out

989
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,360
of it. Is that going to increase the price you're

990
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,000
willing to pay because this guy's great, we all know him, right,

991
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:22,719
I mean? Is that something that is that a real issue? Victor?

992
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,079
Did you feel any of that at Strongsville? Like you

993
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:26,800
knew who these guys were from YouTube?

994
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 2: I can't say I did. The only one, Texas Snowman,

995
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,679
I had to sit down in conversation with him. Right,

996
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,159
He's one that we've kind of made into a celebrity. Right,

997
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,760
he sponsors a lot of channels here on YouTube. But

998
00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:46,320
you know, I don't know his prices are fair in

999
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,480
my opinion, so I can't really critique him in that way.

1000
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,000
I do think that these some dealers, they're going to

1001
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:56,559
know the market probably a lot more than the common

1002
00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:59,119
collector because they're in it. They're in the trenches, like

1003
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,079
weekend after a weekend, and I think they know what

1004
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:06,559
they've got, and they also know and see and since

1005
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:11,280
the demand, and I think that's why they're you know,

1006
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,239
going higher than comps to help with comps. I'm sorry

1007
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,400
to cuss there. I know it's a family show, but

1008
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,960
trying to make my point here is what could possibly

1009
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:23,719
be why the prices are going up the way they are.

1010
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,519
Speaker 3: Well, I've actually sacked with Jeremy at the Dallas card

1011
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:29,480
show just to watch how he does things. He's actually

1012
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,320
also set up at my synagogues at my now smaller

1013
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,239
synagogue show. He did really well that he was there

1014
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:36,840
one day, did really well, says I don't need to

1015
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,199
come back tomorrow, paid me for the tables. I said, wonderful.

1016
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:42,320
And then the other guy and then his buddy name

1017
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,599
of James, took all three tables in that area the

1018
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:47,320
next day and did five thousand dollars at my little

1019
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,039
twenty table shows. So I mean, there's money that comes

1020
00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:52,800
into my show. But that's a different subject. For a

1021
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,440
different day. But I've you know, Jeremy is a very

1022
00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:00,119
fair person. He enjoyed and he enjoys the interaction, and

1023
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:02,679
he wants to be fair on both ends. He wants

1024
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,280
to be fair as a buyer and he wants to

1025
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,719
be fair as a seller. And you know that's what

1026
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,880
we want. As I said, I watched him in the

1027
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,320
interaction with these people because we had a chat about

1028
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:12,920
something else. We never got to our chat, but I

1029
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,480
pay attention and watch the interactions. You know, we talk

1030
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:20,800
a lot about in Doctor Beckett's podcast about the value boxes.

1031
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,039
We go to the Dallas card Show. There are four

1032
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:27,079
or five vendors we both go to and and there's

1033
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:30,599
a coterie of people that go to those boxes just

1034
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:33,360
like we do. And some shows I do better than others.

1035
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,320
But the point is we know who these people are.

1036
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:39,760
But most of these people the value boxes are not

1037
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,960
the people you find on YouTube videos because they don't

1038
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,199
have flashy showcase stuff. They have stuff that is the

1039
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,679
we'll call it nickel and dime. Even though comms, sixties, commons,

1040
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:53,119
seventies commons, fifties comments aren't nickel and dime there, but

1041
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:55,559
they're they're selling the Nickel and dimes stuff, not the

1042
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:58,400
fifty two Mantle or the fifty two Bowman Maze or

1043
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,960
a fifty three New zeal or something like that, or

1044
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:05,960
some hot shot Aaron Judge rookie or Mike Trout rookie

1045
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:09,800
you know who put on Homer shows at Yankee Stadium

1046
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,119
this week, you know, or Paul Stein's or Connor Griffa

1047
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:14,320
when he starts getting Rocky cards.

1048
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,039
Speaker 2: That's good stuff.

1049
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was good stuff. But the point is those

1050
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:20,159
aren't the people that are going to get on the

1051
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:22,719
YouTube videos. You know. You know, if you have a

1052
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,559
guy with a lot of common cards, you might get

1053
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:27,360
the the thing about people just digging through his table,

1054
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,719
but you're not going to get the individual showcase cards

1055
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:30,440
from his table.

1056
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 1: So Victor brought up a great point, and that's that

1057
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,199
the that some of these dealers know the cards so

1058
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,880
well that they can set the prices and they can

1059
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,079
and they can get the prices because people are willing

1060
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:44,320
to pay for them. The problem with comping a card

1061
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,440
like this, I got this card at like four times

1062
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,159
the comp number because the comp means nothing because it

1063
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:53,559
hasn't sold you know, in like eight years, you know,

1064
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,639
and this one there are literally five of these in

1065
00:54:56,679 --> 00:54:59,079
the world. So if you if you have if you

1066
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:02,719
own three of them, it's the nineteen twenty one Oxford Confectionery,

1067
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,400
Grover Cleveland. There are five of these, and so if

1068
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,639
you own three of them, you can set the price.

1069
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,480
So that happens. And I don't think it's wrong. It's

1070
00:55:11,519 --> 00:55:13,320
not great because I spend a lot of money on

1071
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,400
some of these cards, but I don't think it's necessarily wrong.

1072
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:19,440
And in that sense, when you have very very low

1073
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,440
pop rare stuff, pre war stuff, and you know it,

1074
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:24,519
and you know what you have and you know what

1075
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,719
is out there, you can set the price. And the

1076
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,880
price is really comps are a way to come to

1077
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,159
a price, but the price really is what you said before.

1078
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,559
It's what somebody is willing to pay. And if they're selling,

1079
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,599
they're going to keep putting those numbers up.

1080
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 2: Yep.

1081
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:44,039
Speaker 3: Well, if you have a really scarce card, I mean, yeah,

1082
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:47,119
you can set your price. I once wrote a long

1083
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:49,840
time ago when I was writing for Sports collect Sports

1084
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,760
Collectors Daily, there's a nineteen twenty set, nineteen twenty set

1085
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,360
called the Fan. I think there may be four total

1086
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,039
cards known from that set. If I found a Babe

1087
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:02,360
Ruth from that, and it was deemed legitimate, and that

1088
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,920
one I would obviously grade it. I could put whatever

1089
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,000
price I wanted on that card and guess what, who's

1090
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,320
gonna argue? You can argue, and I'll say, find me

1091
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:09,880
another one.

1092
00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. But even even the common stuff, for more

1093
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:17,719
iconic cards, the eights, nines, and tens are just it's

1094
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,559
like the last comp means nothing. When you talk about

1095
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,039
Hank Aaron PSA nine, it's going up and up and up.

1096
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 3: And I think that's really my point, going circling back

1097
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,400
to what we talked about earlier. Today, there are still

1098
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,960
set collectors, and it's wonderful they're a set, but a

1099
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:38,840
younger coterie of collectors or certain collectors, and I don't

1100
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,280
even know if collector is the right word. They're not

1101
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,960
going to try to finish. If it's a sixty tops

1102
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,119
Hank Aaron and PSA nine, they may not care about

1103
00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:50,639
whether they get their Frank Bowling card, or they're even

1104
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:56,880
a Jim Cott Rookie or Julio Navarro or whomver, George Miranda,

1105
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,400
you know, whoever common you want. They're just going to

1106
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,639
want the Aaron card in that really nice shape and

1107
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:05,400
saying thank you, that's what I really want. That's where

1108
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,119
I'm collecting, and you know, and that's okay, But that's

1109
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,719
part of what that's part of what we talked about

1110
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,840
is not everybody collects sets. The great thing with Strongsville

1111
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:20,519
and Dan, You're in New York, so you see this more.

1112
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,159
I grew up in the New York area. There's a

1113
00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:26,760
lot of raw vintage up and down the Megalopolis. Strongsville

1114
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,079
is near enough to Megalopolis. You see a lot of

1115
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,159
you see a lot of vintage. It'd be a lot

1116
00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:33,320
harder to do a vintage show here in Dallas. I

1117
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,239
would might I might be able to do a fifty

1118
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,320
table vintage show. I might not be maybe even a hundred,

1119
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,800
but I couldn't fill up a Gymnasiumly.

1120
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Victor's loving the Chat. I can tell you that

1121
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,679
collect screenshots. Booseol has had a good day. I can

1122
00:57:48,719 --> 00:57:53,840
tell you that, oh my goodness, Bob has had one

1123
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,119
of his best contributing to the Chat days.

1124
00:57:57,239 --> 00:58:02,719
Speaker 3: And can afford you can afford Mickey Tuttleton, I can

1125
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:04,039
afford Mickey mailor.

1126
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,039
Speaker 1: Well, gentlemen, we have gone over. We're over an hour

1127
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,239
one oh four. Some of us have to go to Dallas.

1128
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,159
I'm sorry, New Jersey. Dallas show in New Jersey. Some

1129
00:58:16,239 --> 00:58:18,639
of us have to go there. So I'm gonna log off.

1130
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:21,599
It has been a fantastic show, Uncle Rich. As always,

1131
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:25,000
it is wonderful to hear you, your wisdom, your knowledge,

1132
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:27,599
all that stuff. Victor. I wish you would have talked more.

1133
00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:29,840
Next time. I'm gonna make you talk more. You, sir,

1134
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,480
are a absolute treasure in the Hobby and it was

1135
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:36,039
wonderful to shake your hand and meet your wife and

1136
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,280
and hang out with you a little bit of strong villain.

1137
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,239
Speaker 3: You do not staying in a hotel anywhere as bad

1138
00:58:41,239 --> 00:58:44,519
as the George Washington motor Lodge. Well, girl, I can

1139
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:45,320
assure you of that.

1140
00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:50,079
Speaker 1: The chat was awesome. So good show, gentlemen. We're gonna

1141
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:52,079
log We're gonna log off, and I'm gonna go get

1142
00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:54,400
in my car and drive it to Edison and uh,

1143
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,960
look at more cards, because what do we do on weekends,

1144
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,199
That's all we do. We look at anyway, take care

1145
00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:08,039
of folks. Oops, got to run the stream.

1146
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:11,519
Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to this episode of Hobby Hotline.

1147
00:59:11,679 --> 00:59:14,719
Just want to remind everyone we are a live show

1148
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:20,199
every Saturday morning, eleven am eastern eight am Pacific on

1149
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:25,079
the four Collectors channel on YouTube. That's the number four,

1150
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,679
the word Collector's channel on YouTube. We hope to see

1151
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:32,719
many of you live on a future Saturday. We have

1152
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,679
a great interactive chat room and we always provide a

1153
00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:38,719
link for anyone that wants to come on the show

1154
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,840
and chop it up with us. So that's a reminder.

1155
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:47,400
Every Saturday, eleven am eastern eight am Pacific only four

1156
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,639
Collectors channel on YouTube. Hope to see you on the show.