Speaker 1: By Billy Cunning in the Great American and coming up
Speaker 1: later as Rets manager Terry Francona brought the prospects for
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five Reds. And also we have later
Speaker 1: on scheduled Mowagger to talk about Xavier basketball and what's
Speaker 1: happening in the in March tournament games and in the
Speaker 1: studio with me. It's viavek Ramaswami Viveke. Welcome again to
Speaker 1: the Bill Cunning mshow vivic. How are you good to
Speaker 1: be here in person this time? And this is unbelieved
Speaker 1: you're sitting right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. Oh, it's better this way.
Speaker 3: Let's get into the issues.
Speaker 1: You were born and raised to hear Springfield township, even
Speaker 1: Dale went to Princeton. And the thing that I think
Speaker 1: many people want to know is why are you running
Speaker 1: for governor. You're a billionaire, You're connected to the Trumpster,
Speaker 1: You're at the inaugural right next to the president. You
Speaker 1: have all the things going for You're a young guy,
Speaker 1: like thirty eight or thirty nine years old, and uh,
Speaker 1: and in politics is something that most guys your age
Speaker 1: don't want to do it. You have him money, you
Speaker 1: got your family, you got your stuff to do. Dot
Speaker 1: why are you running for governor?
Speaker 4: He raised some great points, But the reason I'm running
Speaker 4: is I'm filled with gratitude to our country and to
Speaker 4: our state. I've lived in American dream at a scale
Speaker 4: that my parents would have never imagined when they came
Speaker 4: here to Cincinnati forty five years ago, and I'm on
Speaker 4: a mission to make sure we can actually pass that
Speaker 4: on to my two kids and their generation. And I'm
Speaker 4: worried that isn't going to happen unless we have leaders
Speaker 4: who actually step up.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: Prison Trump is ushering in a golden age for the country,
Speaker 4: and I'm incredibly proud to watch what he's doing. But
Speaker 4: what a lot of what he's doing is shifting responsibility
Speaker 4: back to the states and to the people where it belongs.
Speaker 4: Look at the shutdown of the Department of Education just
Speaker 4: last week as a good example. That's a great first step,
Speaker 4: but it's then going to fall on the states and
Speaker 4: the people. That's what our founders envisioned to get the
Speaker 4: job done. So Billy, that highlighted to me that being
Speaker 4: a governor was the right step for me to make
Speaker 4: a positive impact on the country, and also to do
Speaker 4: it in the state where I was born and raised
Speaker 4: where I'm raising my kids, and my vision for Ohio
Speaker 4: isn't just for us to be one one of the
Speaker 4: better states in the Midwest, which in fairness we are
Speaker 4: right now. I don't want us to be one of
Speaker 4: the better states in the Midwest. I want us to
Speaker 4: be the best state in the country to raise a family,
Speaker 4: to start a business, to create generate wealth and keep
Speaker 4: that wealth, and to give our kids the same conviction
Speaker 4: that Neil Armstrong and John Glenn and the Wright brothers
Speaker 4: had when they grew up in Ohio. That's what I
Speaker 4: want to bring back. And I think it's going to
Speaker 4: take a different generation of leadership in the.
Speaker 1: Citevag Ohio is unique on the northern shore with lots
Speaker 1: of water, southern shore lots of water. We have flat
Speaker 1: land because of the applies to the seene Age when
Speaker 1: the Great Glacier came down from the North Pole and
Speaker 1: they scraped Ohio clean all the way to the Seven
Speaker 1: Hills of Cincinnati. That's why it's flat. Great farming community.
Speaker 1: And I see eight major cities. I see manufacturing, I
Speaker 1: see interstate highway systems, I see public education. Within the
Speaker 1: sound of my voice got my University, got NKU, got Xavier.
Speaker 1: You see Indiana, you have Thomas Moore, you have Mount
Speaker 1: st You got all of these colleges ready to go.
Speaker 1: But Ohio is losing population and I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's a GDP in Ohio. I can't imagine it is
Speaker 1: going up a lot. Is what's wrong with Ohio?
Speaker 4: Well, I would say, at our core, nothing's wrong with Ohio.
Speaker 4: At our core, we're the greatest state, at the heart
Speaker 4: of the greatest nation known to mankind. We have the
Speaker 4: same God given gifts we did when we led the
Speaker 4: first Industrial Revolution, same fertile farmland, same natural resources underneath
Speaker 4: our ground, including oil and natural gas in our own state,
Speaker 4: our geographic position. You think about this way better than
Speaker 4: Florida or Texas. We've got sixty percent of North America's
Speaker 4: population within a single day's drive of where you and
Speaker 4: I are sitting right now. So God has blessed our
Speaker 4: state with every gift we could wish for to be
Speaker 4: the leading state in the country. All we have to
Speaker 4: do is actually start believing in ourselves again. You want
Speaker 4: to know, you ask me what's wrong. It's a crisis
Speaker 4: of self confidence in this state. And I think we
Speaker 4: have every reason to believe in ourselves. There are some
Speaker 4: changes we need to make. We need to become a
Speaker 4: zero income tax state. I think we need to bring
Speaker 4: down the regulatory burden to create new jobs and to
Speaker 4: build new businesses in the state. But at the core
Speaker 4: of the natural foundations of Ohio, we have every reason
Speaker 4: to believe in ourselves. The problem right now is we
Speaker 4: have a population decline issue. And you talk about jobs, jobs, jobs,
Speaker 4: you and I were talking about that before.
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 4: We don't have enough good people who are able to
Speaker 4: fill those jobs that new businesses may bring to our state.
Speaker 4: And here's why. Part of it is we have a
Speaker 4: fertility issue. People are having fewer kids in our state.
Speaker 4: Part of it is when they do have kids, those
Speaker 4: kids go out to other states once they get education
Speaker 4: here to live their American dreams somewhere else. That creates
Speaker 4: a demographic issue where we have Actually the death rate
Speaker 4: is going up with an older population and younger people
Speaker 4: leaving the state. We're number thirty eight now within people
Speaker 4: moving in versus out Texas thirty eight. Yes, Florida's number one.
Speaker 4: Texas is number two. We are number thirty eight. Billy
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, we reached an all time low at
Speaker 4: that time. Now it's even lower for our fertility rate.
Speaker 4: We have more people moving out of our state than in.
Speaker 4: We're one of the only red states that's in that category.
Speaker 4: That's got to change, and it's got to change.
Speaker 3: Educations and crisis.
Speaker 1: You went to Princeton, Yes, I read in the newspapers
Speaker 1: that if Princeton fails the levy in a month or two,
Speaker 1: they're going to shut down two elementary schools, one of
Speaker 1: what you probably went to.
Speaker 3: It's also had the money.
Speaker 4: It's very personal to me, so Roberty Lucas Intermediate School
Speaker 4: RELIS out in Sharonville. I went there for sixth grade
Speaker 4: at a magnet program. Relis shut down. RELIS doesn't exist
Speaker 4: as a school today. And actually, I mean the teacher there,
Speaker 4: Missus Kenney, she changed my life. She passed away a
Speaker 4: couple of years ago in an accident, but she was
Speaker 4: somebody who saw potential in me that I didn't even
Speaker 4: know I had, lit a fire under my feet, got
Speaker 4: me to work harder. I credit her for my journey
Speaker 4: in living the American dream in the way that I have.
Speaker 4: But we're not getting teachers like Missus Kinney anymore because
Speaker 4: there is no meritocracy in compensation. Right, I've lived the
Speaker 4: American dream. You have Donald Trump, Elon Musk, you could
Speaker 4: have a wide range of bezos, Bill Gates. They've all
Speaker 4: lived the American dream. And that's great, that rags to
Speaker 4: riches story through business. But I think the question we
Speaker 4: got to asked Billy is do we really think a
Speaker 4: public school teacher in the year twenty twenty five in
Speaker 4: the state of Ohio can live the American dream?
Speaker 3: And we don't make enough money?
Speaker 2: Right exactly right now? The answer to that question, sadly
Speaker 2: is now.
Speaker 3: Five thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. That is the starting side.
Speaker 4: It's a little under forty five thousand dollars the average
Speaker 4: starting salary for a new teacher across America, and this
Speaker 4: is true in Ohio too. That's got to change, but
Speaker 4: we've got to do it according to a meritocracy, which
Speaker 4: is what we don't have in our public schools. The
Speaker 4: best teachers deserve to be paid a lot more than
Speaker 4: they are right now, as determined by parental assessments. Parents
Speaker 4: know whether their kids are really getting that right educational
Speaker 4: experience or not. Peer assessments right, even principles and other
Speaker 4: teachers in the school know who's doing a good job,
Speaker 4: who's carrying their weight, and who isn't. And then also
Speaker 4: we got to look at the proficiency of our students.
Speaker 4: I mean, right now, seventy five percent of eighth graders.
Speaker 4: Just to think about this for a second, three out
Speaker 4: of four eighth graders are not proficient in math. That's unacceptable.
Speaker 4: You got kids in China, on average, are four years
Speaker 4: ahead of their counterpart in the US. What does that
Speaker 4: mean a seventh grader here is performing at the same
Speaker 4: academic performance as a third grader in China. That doesn't
Speaker 4: work for me. I'm speaking as an Ohioan, as an American,
Speaker 4: as a parent. Well, here's how we're gonna do it. Well.
Speaker 4: First of all, bring back the best teachers in meritocracy
Speaker 4: in our schools, roll up our sleeves and actually get
Speaker 4: into the curriculum, re emphasizing math, reading, writing, and critical
Speaker 4: thinking instead of a lot of this sel dei indoctrination, victimhood, psychology,
Speaker 4: reward performance. Get the cell phones out of the classroom, amen.
Speaker 4: Bring back physical education which helps mental health at a
Speaker 4: young age. Starting pe in kindergarten. Bring back the presidential
Speaker 4: fitness test that you and I both had when we
Speaker 4: were going through school. Yes, that includes the pull ups
Speaker 4: I did mind this morning, I promise you. And that
Speaker 4: doesn't mean it's going to be for everybody passing in
Speaker 4: the same way, but it sets a standard for what
Speaker 4: you actually want to achieve. Think about civic education. We're
Speaker 4: totally missing civic education today. I think that every kid
Speaker 4: who graduates from a high school in this state of
Speaker 4: public high school should have to pass the same Civics
Speaker 4: test that every legal immigrant has to pass before they
Speaker 4: become a naturalized citizen. That's something we should expect of our
Speaker 4: high school seniors, at least before they graduate from high school.
Speaker 4: I want the Pledge of allegiance every morning with a
Speaker 4: moment of silence to allow kids to fill that vacuum
Speaker 4: of purpose and meaning in their heart, emphasize actual achievement,
Speaker 4: and reward it both for the teachers and for the students.
Speaker 4: It's a culture of achievement that I want to bring
Speaker 4: back to our educational system. And I still think we
Speaker 4: have time. We can write this ship, we can turn
Speaker 4: this around. I want to lead Ohio Billy to be
Speaker 4: the top state in the country and in the world
Speaker 4: to give our kids that world class education.
Speaker 1: Algosoms years ago. I can recall a big Intel plant.
Speaker 1: It was going to generate tens of thousands of jobs
Speaker 1: in and around Columbus, much fanfare. Intel the CEO is
Speaker 1: now fired. Came I'm told there's billions of dollars worth
Speaker 1: of infrastructure inside the ground. You can't see what happened
Speaker 1: to the Intel plant in central Ohio.
Speaker 4: Look, I want to be blunt about this. It's a
Speaker 4: disappointment that it's on a five year delay now. The
Speaker 4: timeline that we were supposed to have started seeing chips
Speaker 4: being produced to that factories pushed out for five years.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of reasons behind that.
Speaker 4: My goal is not to curse the darkness, or to
Speaker 4: blame anybody who came before me, or to blame anybody
Speaker 4: on the outside. My goal is how do we actually
Speaker 4: fix Ohio to make sure that the commitments that are
Speaker 4: made to our state are actually followed through on a
Speaker 4: timeline that serves the people of our state as well.
Speaker 4: I also, as the governor, want to ask companies, frankly,
Speaker 4: what can we be doing better as a state in
Speaker 4: terms of our regulatory burden, cutting red tape, cutting the
Speaker 4: tax burden, cutting the tax burden, and also putting more
Speaker 4: money in people's pockets that improves the workforce issues that
Speaker 4: we have in our state. So part of this is
Speaker 4: the next governor of the state. I'm not looking to
Speaker 4: blame anybody else. I'm looking to look ourselves in the
Speaker 4: mirror and say, what can we be doing better to
Speaker 4: make sure that something like this doesn't happen again. With
Speaker 4: five year delays baked in at the last second for
Speaker 4: when they're supposed to have been producing instead of being
Speaker 4: pushed out five years.
Speaker 2: Is that a good thing?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 4: I'm disappointed about it, but I'm also going to make
Speaker 4: sure that we fix the issues that stop the companies
Speaker 4: from being able to follow through on those commitments as well.
Speaker 3: Veg Ramaswami.
Speaker 1: A few months ago, the powers that be told me
Speaker 1: that you went down to Amar A Lago and met
Speaker 1: with President Trump and he kind of wanted you to
Speaker 1: run for the Senate. He wanted to appoint you to
Speaker 1: the Senate, to the open seat of JD Vance and
Speaker 1: you start work tomorrow, start work on Monday, and you
Speaker 1: looked into the eye and said, let me think about it,
Speaker 1: and you came back and said, no, I do not
Speaker 1: want to be a US Senator and he said what why?
Speaker 1: And then you said, I want to be governor. And
Speaker 1: then the guy pigeonholed to be the next governor senator. Now, John,
Speaker 1: you said, went went down tomorrow, lag go with with
Speaker 1: Governor DeWine And he had to be talked into running
Speaker 1: for the Senate because the appointment was tomorrow. Why did
Speaker 1: you turn down the US Senate seat of JD Vance
Speaker 1: to run for a position that's like almost two years
Speaker 1: away as opposed to taking the Senate immediately.
Speaker 2: Well, look, I think that at a high level.
Speaker 4: First of all, I want to thank President Trump for
Speaker 4: setting such a good tone from the top. He won
Speaker 4: with a decisive mandate that he's now delivering on, and
Speaker 4: I'm optimistic about what he's going to accomplish. He and
Speaker 4: I have had some great conversations over the years and
Speaker 4: over the last year in particular, and what I shared
Speaker 4: with him is, like him, I'm an executive, right. I
Speaker 4: like to get things done, not just through the sausage
Speaker 4: making of being you know, one of one hundred. So
Speaker 4: it wasn't really my vision. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: I told President Trump, I was open to serving this
Speaker 4: country and whatever way would have a biggest impact. He
Speaker 4: asked me, in my heart, what was that for me,
Speaker 4: And in my heart, it was to be the next
Speaker 4: government of the Senate. They are you can get a
Speaker 4: lot done. All I do is talk and give great speech.
Speaker 1: And you go to speech, you're fine, but you don't
Speaker 1: get anything done when you're the govern I've been in
Speaker 1: the governor's mansion, I've had dinner with them, and you
Speaker 1: can actually order or demand something happen and it occurs.
Speaker 3: Is that the reason for.
Speaker 4: Me, it's about exactly the idea that you're going to
Speaker 4: see the impact that you have. Right my older son
Speaker 4: is going to be in high school by the time
Speaker 4: I'm done with two terms as governor. To me, the
Speaker 4: ability for him to grow up in a state where
Speaker 4: the changes that we made to this state, the positive changes,
Speaker 4: is something that my kids in their generation are going
Speaker 4: to grow up in and I can see that impact
Speaker 4: even on a daily basis. To me, that's rewarding. I'm
Speaker 4: also somebody who believes in action. Actions speak louder than words. Okay,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people who can, as I said,
Speaker 4: curse the darkness. There's fewer who can actually create value
Speaker 4: and get things done. I'm a businessman. I've built multiple
Speaker 4: successful businesses. I know how to select great people, put
Speaker 4: them in positions, and give them deliverables and actually expect
Speaker 4: hard results. I think we need more people who are
Speaker 4: in the private sector to take their time in public
Speaker 4: service to lead as executives, and particularly in this state,
Speaker 4: we have such an opportunity Billy, first of all, to
Speaker 4: just start marketing Ohio to the rest of the country.
Speaker 4: That's something that frankly, I believe we have room to
Speaker 4: do a lot better on. There's a lot to love
Speaker 4: about the state. We have a beautiful northern coast, a
Speaker 4: beautiful shoreline. We've got a national park in this state.
Speaker 4: We've got the Ohio River to the Mississippi, the same
Speaker 4: Erie Canal to New York City, a great geographic position.
Speaker 4: We got to market that to the rest of the
Speaker 4: country where people don't even know about the gifts that
Speaker 4: Ohio has, the oil and natural gas underneath our ground.
Speaker 4: When I go travel this country and talk about Ohio
Speaker 4: in that way, it's eye opening for people. In fact,
Speaker 4: there's even people I've met since I've started running for governor.
Speaker 4: People from New Jersey to South Carolina, to Texas to
Speaker 4: Florida who have told me personally they are already starting
Speaker 4: the process of moving back to Ohio because they expect
Speaker 4: me to be governor and to deliver on the changes
Speaker 4: that I'm actually running on.
Speaker 3: When you get rid of the income tax, Indiana wants
Speaker 3: to do it. Many states.
Speaker 1: I think nineteen states don't have a state income tax,
Speaker 1: and you'll lower the property tax, especially for seniors income
Speaker 1: How do you pay the bills?
Speaker 2: So first, so there's eight states there's zero income tax states.
Speaker 4: If eight other states have done it, I want Ohio
Speaker 4: to be next on the list and to lead the way.
Speaker 4: Property taxes, we got it. They've gotten way too high
Speaker 4: in the state. I mean, the truth of the matter
Speaker 4: is if you're paying as much on your principal repayment
Speaker 4: of your mortgage as you are in your property taxes,
Speaker 4: it makes it feel a heck of a lot, like
Speaker 4: the land that you own is really just a lease
Speaker 4: from the government, and that's unjust. Okay, So we got
Speaker 4: to put a cap on both those things. How are
Speaker 4: you going to pay for it? Well, the number one
Speaker 4: answer is the economic growth that you drive through our state.
Speaker 4: That's gonna increase our sales tax revenue. That's gonna increase
Speaker 4: the other revenue flowing into our state's bottom line as well.
Speaker 4: And the other thing, Billy is, let's be really honest.
Speaker 4: Are we wasting a lot of money in areas where
Speaker 4: we shouldn't be. The uncomfortable answer to that question is
Speaker 4: you know it, Yes.
Speaker 1: Four letters doge four letters Ohio. Well, you bring DOSEE
Speaker 1: to Ohio.
Speaker 4: And the way we're going to do it in Ohio,
Speaker 4: I want to be clear about this, is by putting
Speaker 4: more money in people's pockets. That's what bringing it to
Speaker 4: Ohio means is take the money that's being wasted on
Speaker 4: things that don't affect your life and quite literally put
Speaker 4: it in the pocket of Ohioans. Put it in the
Speaker 4: bank account of our kids that can, with the benefit
Speaker 4: of compound interest, allow them to graduate with six figure
Speaker 4: graduation gifts when they get out of high school if
Speaker 4: they've actually had that money compounding. And we're going to
Speaker 4: come out with some very specific solutions on this, Billy
Speaker 4: in the very near term. But bringing down the income
Speaker 4: tax eventually down to zero, bringing down the property tax
Speaker 4: burden are examples of ways that My vision for the
Speaker 4: state is take the money that's being spent in ways
Speaker 4: that don't help your lives to put it in your
Speaker 4: pocket where it can help your lives. Create an economic
Speaker 4: boom in the state of a kind that we haven't
Speaker 4: seen since the Second Industrial Revolution, and have a population
Speaker 4: boom in this state, so we can have not only jobs, jobs, jobs,
Speaker 4: but jobs filled, jobs filled, jobs filled right here in
Speaker 4: the state of Ohio.
Speaker 3: How do it? Lastly, how do we judge you?
Speaker 1: Say you're elected, your way up in the polls like
Speaker 1: thirty percent, you have all the endorsements of every everyone
Speaker 1: that matters in the state of Ohio. If I you
Speaker 1: and I together in four years, I just signed a
Speaker 1: four year contract extension. Yeah, if you and I together
Speaker 1: in four years, how will I judge reveg Ramaswami on
Speaker 1: whether or not you succeeded.
Speaker 2: That's a good question. So it's not just the GDP growth.
Speaker 2: We'll have GDP growth.
Speaker 4: The metrics I want you to judge me on are
Speaker 4: the number of people moving into our state versus out
Speaker 4: of thirty eighth, not thirty eighth. Right now we're number
Speaker 4: thirty eight. Florida's number one. Texas is number two. I
Speaker 4: want Ohio to be number one. That's how I want
Speaker 4: you to judge me. We're one of the few red
Speaker 4: states that has more people moving out than in. That
Speaker 4: will change when I'm governor. So I want you to
Speaker 4: judge me on the number of people moving in versus out,
Speaker 4: the number of kids born into families in our state,
Speaker 4: the number of those kids who go on to remain
Speaker 4: in our state to pursue their American dream in our
Speaker 4: state of Ohio. Those are my metrics, and I want
Speaker 4: to lead this state to be not just one of
Speaker 4: the better states in our region. I want to lead
Speaker 4: this state to be the top state in the United
Speaker 4: States of America on those metrics. And to those who
Speaker 4: say that's too ambitious, you know what, it was not
Speaker 4: long ago that Ohio was that state at the turn
Speaker 4: of the last century. That was us in the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 4: that was US when six of the top fifteen wealthiest
Speaker 4: cities in America were right here in Ohio. I want
Speaker 4: to be the governor that restores Ohio back to greatness,
Speaker 4: not just to be a regional leader, but a national
Speaker 4: leader so our kids can be proud of it and
Speaker 4: can live the American dream. By staying here instead of leaving.
Speaker 3: Have you spoken to Mike DeWine.
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 2: I've got to know him.
Speaker 3: How's your relationship with him? Good?
Speaker 4: From my standpoint, I've got to know him. I look
Speaker 4: forward to building on the foundation that he has laid. Look,
Speaker 4: there's a lot to like about the early movement towards
Speaker 4: economic development. So you're going to hear from me, Billy,
Speaker 4: as I leave this state, nothing but praise for the
Speaker 4: good parts of what my predecessor left me. I want
Speaker 4: to build on those foundations. But it's about where are
Speaker 4: we run in two where are we leading this state?
Speaker 4: We want to chase the future while respecting the past.
Speaker 4: Incredibly grateful for the positives of what Mike Dwine and
Speaker 4: John Houston and hopefully now Jim Tressel are accomplishing. I
Speaker 4: have nothing but praise for their love of this state.
Speaker 4: I want to build on the foundation they've laid, but
Speaker 4: to take this far further, and frankly from him and
Speaker 4: others who have come before me, if they have great
Speaker 4: advice on how we can be successful.
Speaker 1: To play tennis, Yes, I used to a ball boy there,
Speaker 1: so I was at I was running.
Speaker 4: Around collected balls when I was when I was in
Speaker 4: great school here.
Speaker 2: We were all at the towel boy. Yeah, and occasionally
Speaker 2: the players would be nice. They would hit with us
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 4: I played tennis at Saint X growing up, so we
Speaker 4: would occasionally be hitting balls and warming up the players.
Speaker 2: Last year I went and I take my kids down there.
Speaker 2: Now every year.
Speaker 4: I got to warm up with Ben Shelton and a
Speaker 4: couple of the other American guys who were playing there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's a good player, so he and I hit some
Speaker 4: balls in the warm up courts. So I'll be out
Speaker 4: there again.
Speaker 3: What's your west Side?
Speaker 1: If people need to know where you're going to be
Speaker 1: and what your thoughts on are more concrete fashion, what's
Speaker 1: your epsite?
Speaker 4: Sure, go to vivekefour Ohio dot com. That's vivat for
Speaker 4: Ohio dot com. And my message, frankly, if you're a
Speaker 4: Republican or a Democrat, I don't care learn more about
Speaker 4: this campaign because I'm not in this to just lead
Speaker 4: the Republican Party of Ohio. I want to lift up
Speaker 4: every person in this state, black or white, Democrat or Republican.
Speaker 4: If you care about educational excellence and economic excellence for
Speaker 4: your kids, then we're on the same team. We got
Speaker 4: a seat for the we got a seat at the
Speaker 4: table for you, and we're going to lead the entire
Speaker 4: state and unite the state going forward.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
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