Speaker 1: You're listening to Seventh Sanctum on the Parallel UK radio network.
Speaker 2: Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whenever you're listening to this,
thank you for joining us. I am Kerry Anne, and
this is Seventh Sanctum and there's normal. I am being
joined with Natalie, my co host, ghosts host.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 4: I'm just haunting the podcast. I find it funny.
Speaker 2: No one else does, so I just I think I'm
being witty, is what I'm thinking.
Speaker 4: That it is very it is witty. Thank you for
humoring me. Thank you for that it's not so funny,
and I'm not funny. So you're okay, you're in company.
Thank you. How are you? And know we're back to normal,
back to reality. I've lost my voice, so everybody' said
the lead. Yame Christmas. And I've been fine and now
I've got the sore throat in the other than that bad.
Thank you you okay, yes, good, thank you, Yes, back
to reality.
Speaker 2: Structure. I thrive in structure. So now I've got it happy,
very happy. And tonight we're being joined with Shane and Mary.
Thank you both for joining us.
Speaker 5: Thank you, You're welcome, welcome.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much. I think because there's
two of you, we used to only having one.
Speaker 4: Guess.
Speaker 2: So what we're doing is if we start with Mary,
like if you say, okay, can you tell me a
little bit about you? Tell our listeners a little bit
about you. How you got into the paranormal.
Speaker 6: Wow. Well, I'm Mary and I hate this. I'm fifty
seven and I'm in the paranormal since my twenties.
Speaker 7: And yeah, my first experience was as a child. I
hadn't imagine every friend. Plus we had a soldier standing
on the addict and I was so scared of him.
And it was in my late teens when I met
my biological father that I understood what was going on
because my family thought that I was crazy. Not you
know the story, you know the drill, and I jumped
into every aspect of the spiritual world and also the paranormal.
So I did psychology and I'm a counselor. I did hypnosis, regression.
There are psychology reiche, different forms and so on and
so on and so on, and I try to use
it in the bar normal.
Speaker 6: So that's a bit about me.
Speaker 2: Thank you, And I do have one question. Before we
moved to Shane and asked Shane to tell us a
little bit about his journey. One question that really stands
out for me is para psychology and psychology as as
a and the spirituality. They're so conflicting, aren't they, Because
there's always going to be.
Speaker 4: In terms of.
Speaker 2: Psychology, there's always a logical explanation for human experience.
Speaker 4: So how do you find that?
Speaker 6: Difficult?
Speaker 7: At first because I thought I was crazy because I'm
high sensitive. I felt things, I smelled things, I heard things,
and in the psychology, yeah, you go to the knothouse.
Speaker 6: So it was a conflict.
Speaker 7: But after I studied how the brain works and how
it process information and where its towards it, it made
more sense.
Speaker 6: But it's still difficult to.
Speaker 7: Use it in the paranormal because in my head there's
always a struggle always.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you for answering that. I'm sure we'll
revisit as the show goes on. Thank you, And Shane,
could you introduce yourself please?
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, my name is Shane. I am thirty seven years
old and compared to Mary and Boring, I started paranormal
when I was about sixteen, maybe earlier, but sixteen for real.
I I didn't dare to go inside buildings. So why
I started a paranormal I have no clue, but it
was because of one experience I had. I saw my guide,
which I know is my guide now, but he was
sitting on my bed and I looked at him like
I was looking at you guys right now, which was
not even almost C two until I started looking better.
So I jumped underneath my covers and I didn't come
out until I was sure it was gone. I got
scared very much, and after that I found mine now wife.
I met her. We talked about paranormal stuff and everything
that could happen during paranormal sensations or encounters, and she
had the exam exact same encounter I had, and we
talked about it, and that's when the ball started rolling
and he started the paranormal team. I didn't do anything
parapsychlic he or something that's very true.
Speaker 3: Did did your wife meet her guide as well then,
or did she just have a similar type of encounter.
Speaker 5: My wife is a witch, so she has a lot
of guides. Oh, I wrote in there as well, so
I am a second degree witch.
Speaker 3: Okay, so did the guide things start off? Your interest
in witchcraft. Were you already sort of brought up in
a little bit.
Speaker 5: I actually thought that it was very interesting, but it
came afterwards after my guide experience. She told me what
it was. She said, well, probably it's your guide and
it's my great grand dad, so I know who he is.
And I saw him by accident because my mom was
taking looking at pictures, all pictures, and I was like,
I know this man. He's like, well, that's not possible
because he died when you were one, so it's impossible
to remember that. I said, I sign my mind was
completely blanked, and she was like, what the hell do
I have for my house? She believes, so that's a
good thing.
Speaker 3: Okary, So sorry, yes, sorry, I'm listening.
Speaker 2: I mute my mic because I'm aware there's noises are
going around me, but it also takes me a real
long time time mute it because I do apologize. You
mentioned that you started your paranormal team, So can you
tell us a little bit about your paranormal team? What
are you called and what kind of things do you
get up to?
Speaker 5: We were called spirit chases and now back then it
was for I think we started it and it took
off a year maybe one and a half, and I
would quit because it wasn't our cup of team. We
got in fight and everything and nothing was going the
way we wanted it. And I joined another team, which
I'm not proud of that team. I'm not going to
main names, but they were she's laughing because she knows
who I'm talking about. But no, that team is not
to ride back from because they suck. And then I
was like, I'm not going to do this against my startup,
my now team, which is the Ravens Paranormal, and I'm
still going with that team. I am now working together
with things in Netherlands since what is.
Speaker 8: It two years something almost two years now, and it's
very close where we're like mine that we can do.
Speaker 5: I don't only have to look at Mary and I
know what she's going to do back and forth. So
it's it's it's becoming a big team.
Speaker 4: Got nice.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, you've got a nice complimentary
mix between your sort of like which witchy type side
and Mary's uh, you know, the parasitology and or you're
you're aching everything. It's quite a nice interesting combination of
energies rather than the bog standard medium sensitive thing. I bet,
I bet your investigations are actually quite interesting, are they
between you?
Speaker 6: When you get going yeah?
Speaker 5: If yes, definitely, Yeah, things tend to happen when we're there.
Speaker 2: And I think as well, having such a big mix
of skill sets can also broader as well, the opportunities
for working together and collaboratively working. I think when when
we think a little bit about when you said about
the previous paralleled teams, we find that sometimes if there's
too much likeness in one, there's not much room for
growth or development or open minded and receivers. So I
think when you've got a collection of people that all
something very different to the table, there's an opportunity there
to have that real kind of openness of concepts and
ideas to kind of really push forward with paranormal research,
which we're needing to see more of. To be fair,
that we're saturated with paranormal ghost hunts when they with
ghost hunts, where really what we're needing a lot more
to kind of move the movement forward a bit more.
Is the substantial paranormal research just going to bring some
whether it's through parapsychology or whether it's through the proof
of evidence of life after life. However that manifests. There
needs to be more, isn't there that we can start
really putting our teeth in and kind of looking at.
We think of some of the older experiments that took
place within paranormal research, like the Filips experiment of Skulls experiment.
They both use the same kind of fundamental variables, but
they come from different perspectives. But it gave results. It
showed results enough for us to go way and work
on and look at a bit more. So we are
definitely needing a lot more of that now, especially with
the movement of social media. And how I know you
said you sided a very long time ago, I at
ten years was mine. Paranormal back then is completely different
to paranormal now, and I miss how it was before.
I really missed that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what the problem is with back then
and now nowadays? You have all the paranormal shows and
it's very exciting. Things tend to happen and things fly
around the rooms and like a real paranormal investigating, those
are not going to happen like that. But we showed
the videos we make ig boring because nothing happens, but
that's a real investigation. And that's the problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're missing a bit in terms of
how we present paranormal research. Like you said, it's it's
kind of always back then, even when there was not
very much happening, it definitely was a thrill seeking experience
for me, even if it was just we had a
really plain night. But the way I always explain it
to people is it's kind of like fishing. Like some
nights you're going to get nothing, some night you're going
to get lows.
Speaker 4: But it's okay.
Speaker 2: You're not there for what you're capturing, you getting. You're
there because it's something you enjoy doing. But I suppose
it's a consumer you know, we they want more, always
going to be able to deliver. And then that's when
you get all the kind of the gray areas, which
pushes people into going with everything's fake, everything's everything's you know,
for entertainment purposes only, Which is this game that we
have to put out now, isn't it?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. It's a bit of a I think
horror film.
Speaker 3: Horror films don't help either because their portrayal of because
I mean, to me, I still find it amazing when
I catch an ev P or you get touched and
it's just like a very light feeling.
Speaker 4: To me, that's like really significant.
Speaker 3: But to everybody else, they're all, like you say, they're
expecting things to go flying, people to get launched against
the walls and everything, and I think they tend to
undo this significance of feeling something that's not there touching you.
It's like, I mean to me that that was one
of the most significant ghostly experiences I had when I
felt something put their hand on my back and there
was no one there and it was a firm feeling,
and it's like and yeah, it's Everybody else sort of
downplays that because oh, yeah, it's just you know, a
ghost voice or it's you know. But to me, like
you say, that is more significant. But because things weren't
being launched across room, and so the horror films kind
of exaggerate everything as well. You have an expectation, don't you.
And it's a really because like everybody dismisses then the
significant stuff that they have happened because it's so low key,
you know, they don't take it seriously.
Speaker 4: I don't think.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I always get the question for people don't know
how the paramel works and how you doing investigations? What
can happen? I always get the question about the horror movies.
Can you get thrown against the wall, pulled out of
the bed, get bitten there? And I don't know what
kind of questions? And I'm like huh, and but I
can't see that any movies. And I'm like, yes, you
said it. It's a movie. It's not real. Oh so
that can happen. Well, some things can happen, but I've
never seen it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if that happened to me as well,
I wouldn't be doing any investigation.
Speaker 4: I'd be running away very very very fast.
Speaker 5: There's only one thing that I'm If I see that,
I'm done. I'm not investigating any building, nothing anymore. Have
you seen the movie Grave Encounters?
Speaker 4: I don't think i've seen that one. Is it like
a low budget? No budget?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he pretends being Zach Began's only in another name
and something like that. It's funny as hell. I think
the movie is funny as Okay, can I swear?
Speaker 4: I mean you did.
Speaker 9: Before I swear even more, we'll put we'll put exclaimer.
Speaker 5: You could beat me out. There's no problem before even.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised.
Speaker 3: Yeah, already to be fair well behaved, warm people before
the thing goes out, the show goes Yeah.
Speaker 5: I love of crystals.
Speaker 4: You'll be banned.
Speaker 5: Probably. There is one scene in that movie and that's
scarce shit out of me. It's a ghost standing in
the corner and she turns around only her head and
the mouth completely opens and there's a black hole in
there and it opens like a part further than a
snake opens his mouth. And I'm like, if I see that,
I'm gone, Yeah running I saw that. That won't run
for fun.
Speaker 4: That needs to be on a T shirt.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm gone.
Speaker 5: Well, there's a textbon T shirt that says, if you
see me running, run faster. Yeah that is something I
used to see. Okay, I saw something you do you
don't want to see.
Speaker 3: My friend used to be like that when we used
to go go something. It's like if I went, it
was out of there. It's like it's something that you're
scared of.
Speaker 4: I'm going. It's like I was really.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, I know, I'm going to be all right,
And I'd be like, what was that and he's like, gone,
there in the coal mine. It was like where it
was relaxed, it was okay.
Speaker 4: I'd be rubbish on the proper gosn't like that.
Speaker 3: If things like that happened, I would just be like,
I'm out of not very investigating material really.
Speaker 4: For that, it's like.
Speaker 6: You jump because you see yourself in a mirror.
Speaker 3: Oh, when your stomach growls and you think it's a demon,
but exactly a stomach routing.
Speaker 4: Times it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: And also why has every location got mannequins? Why have
we got mannequins in every location we're at? That baffles
me wandering around in the darker. I know it's going
to turn up, and I know there's gonna be one
sitting in the corner over there, And even though I see,
I still jump out in and I have no idea
why there's so many annequins.
Speaker 4: What's the need? What's the need?
Speaker 2: I walked in on Margaret Thatcher once doing a telegram
that made me jump out of my skin. Yeah, I
think I think it is quite interesting to kind of
see how far we've come, but literally how far we haven't.
Either in terms of when we think a little bit
about ghost hunting and stuff or paranoral research, it can
get a bit. It can get a bit frustrating at times,
especially like you said, Shane, when you I mean you
gave the example grave encounters, but the amount of times
I've just been doing a little bit of doom scrolling
through TikTok and you can you're watching a live and
you're like, why are you doing this? Why are you
doing this? Is this is not helpful?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: This isn't helpful.
Speaker 6: Absolutely want to cry?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, now we put the world to riots for
those that are making it harder for us paranormal researchers.
Speaker 4: I would love to ask both of you.
Speaker 2: I don't mind which you know, whoever goes first, but
you've obviously both been investigating for a long time. Where
is there a location that you have been to that
has made you feel like I've got no interest in
going back there because of an experience that you've had.
Speaker 1: Pooh oh.
Speaker 6: Ah.
Speaker 7: Yes, but it was a residential. I was going on
the road with an exorcist archbishop and we went there
and we got attacked, all of us and dodged and provoked,
and there came a time when I asked, can I
do provoking back? So I did. I went upstairs I
provoked it. I won't repeat what I said because it's
going to bleep bleep, bleple bleply blepleple bleep. But we
got an EVP at that point and it said you
think highly of yourself, bitch. So I was startled and
I went downstairs and I felt something on my back
and I got scratched from the top to the bottom,
and I started cursing, and the exorcist had the same
experience at the same time.
Speaker 6: It's back also scratched. And we were targets that night.
Speaker 7: So that wasn't fun, and I'm not going to do
that anymore now.
Speaker 4: No, do you think some of that was because you
were provoking then or we Is that just the thing
that they were doing to bring it out? You know,
with you being with the nexuss.
Speaker 6: It's attacked.
Speaker 7: The people are in the house, most of all the
kids by spreadching, giving them marks on their legs like fingertips.
So if it's going to flee, you have to provoke
to get it out. Yeah, yeah, I don't like it.
Speaker 6: I don't like it.
Speaker 7: I never provoke here investigations. I can be harsh and
very strict, but I try to approach them like I
approach people, so.
Speaker 4: Be fat if you.
Speaker 3: Guys with the Exorcist, you're going for a reason, aren't you.
So it's it's a different a different reason for being
there rather than just investigating. So like you say, you
need to bring it out to get rid of it,
and to find it to get rid of it. So yeah, yeah,
the context of it, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's very interesting and we had a lot of
equipment and to see you build up it was very interesting.
But to get burned, No, I don't like it.
Speaker 6: I don't like the feeling.
Speaker 4: No do you?
Speaker 3: Was it just the one that you went on then
with you with the Exorcist?
Speaker 4: Or did we was it? If you know you're doing
it in several cases like that we have done let me think.
Speaker 7: Sometime like three or four cases. And then the team
fell apart because too much ego. Not the Exorcist, but
the other investigations. And they weren't supposed to come on camera.
They weren't supposed to be recognizable, but they came. I'm
from so I said, whoa go ahead.
Speaker 4: Mhmm. That's a shame. It's a shame when that happens.
Speaker 7: It's it's because it's very interesting and it came from
an idea to drop every way of investigating together, so
the wags, the pagan, the skeptic, the beliefs. So I
had someone who is yeah, very godminded all of the day.
So that way I wanted to put a team together.
But you have the personalities and yeah that uh so
I dropped it and I went with a small team
further and.
Speaker 6: Now we are hardly back together. So yeah, the best
investigators are back to the other.
Speaker 4: Oh that's good.
Speaker 3: I think everybody has to go through that phase, don't they.
Where you know, like you say, with the team, it
always seems to be like you get people come together
and it breaks up, and then the next one seems
to be a better a better balance. I think it's
a learning cave everyone sort of ends up having to
go through at some point.
Speaker 7: Also, the personalities have to click and some personalities you.
Speaker 6: Don't mix them you don't.
Speaker 7: And that's the learning part, which which person can we
take into the team which we can't? And I need
to learn to stand up.
Speaker 6: I'm a business woman.
Speaker 7: I was a manager in a big company and we
had eighty person staff, and no one disagreed with me.
If I told them to do anything, they did it.
But within the team it's closer to home. You have
your own time, your money. You put so much energy
in it, so it's so disappointing.
Speaker 5: Hmm.
Speaker 7: Now, yeah, I'm very pleased with how far we come.
Speaker 4: So are you the one in charge now? Then? This year?
How of you?
Speaker 7: A different kind of not I. I do everything with
Shane and Samantha, his wife, and the three of us.
Speaker 4: We make the.
Speaker 7: Decisions and if we can't agree, I make the end decision.
Speaker 4: That's how it should, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I love it to discuss things and her things different
different views, so you can integrate anything in the way
you handle things. So yes, I like, I like to
debate everything, and we have every investigation different case manager.
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. We never had a discussion we didn't agree
on so so.
Speaker 3: I was like, really helps, it's like you've never had
a disagreement. We ask, well, that's good then, because I say,
you've got very harmonious mix of energies there. It sounds amazing,
It sounds really good.
Speaker 2: And we do have to kiss a lot of frogs
to get to where we're supposed to be. So it
sounds like everyone found their own way and now found
like a piece of paranormal home. And I think when
you get that group of people where you just naturally vibe,
there's always going to be difficulties from time to time,
but to be able to be able to take a
step back, and sometimes that's also licking in the mirror
at yourself and kind of understanding why maybe something's not
landing correctly or whether it's being taken the wrong way
personally or otherwise.
Speaker 4: It takes a lot. That takes a lot.
Speaker 2: So obviously you're quite evolved people that have kind of
got together and do something you really enjoy, which is fantastic.
That's really hard to come by.
Speaker 4: Myself.
Speaker 2: I've been through, I've been through, I've been in I've
been through all the teams. I've been through something well,
So I've had a number of teams and I've now
got with Natalie and some other people were seventh sanc
Sem and again it's that same kind of feeling of
thinking you found your tribe and then that kind of
work into to kind of the benefit for the whole
team as well what you're looking for. So is it's
good when that all kind of comes together.
Speaker 4: So what about you?
Speaker 2: Shane has there been a location that you've been too,
and you're like absolutely never going No, Okay.
Speaker 5: I have still I keep telling everybody who knows me,
I'm still looking for the one location where you can
see me running and you have to run fast.
Speaker 3: I think everybody will be so shocked about your running
they'll just be standing there video and get looking at
you getting it's like we were.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I'm taking the challenge. If it's.
Speaker 7: Going to happen, and if we can sort of dog
we will be going to Scotland.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I will drop him first in a house of castle,
so if he comes around the house, I know I
have to go after him.
Speaker 6: He's going back in.
Speaker 3: They take him to the vaults, the Edinburgh Vaults.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I really really want to go there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, experience that one is even just like being there
in the history of it. It's just like you just
can't imagine people used to live there, you know it
basically wine cellar and everyone used to live there.
Speaker 4: It's just mad. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have very good they're very good storytellers in
there as well. They know how to create an ambiance
that way. So yeah, absolutely, and there's lots as well
in Edinburgh. When it comes to the more.
Speaker 4: The darker side of history.
Speaker 2: There's a lot in Edinburgh, isn't there in terms of
places to go and places to investigates?
Speaker 4: How exciting?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got anywhere closer to him? That's on your
boocket list to go or you've.
Speaker 5: You've it's actually an hour of flight, is there?
Speaker 4: Really? I didn't realize it was exactly.
Speaker 9: It's my geography, doesn't it far off? You know, because
most of my friends are in America, and of course
that's a very very long way way.
Speaker 3: I kind of forget that we're very close to each other. Yeah,
so you sort of like, yeah, so do you not
have anywhere ane like me?
Speaker 4: You in Europe?
Speaker 3: That's particularly because I was today because you know, everybody
always says like Scotland and London and Paris and you know,
and you know, and I just wonder I was thinking
about the other day, is like, aside from the Paris Catacombs.
Speaker 4: Is there actually anywhere in Europe is.
Speaker 3: Notorious you know, sort of Western Europe it's notorious for
for haunting.
Speaker 5: Because I was a lot of Second World War bunkers.
Speaker 7: So yeah, actually the wrong building and then stay there's a.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, really sort of World War Two, because I
was going to say love he's yeah, I don't know.
I never really I meant to look it up and
see what other locations were around that sort of, you know,
they weren't the classic ones that would be interesting to
go to. But everyone seems to want to go to Scotland,
which is no bad thing. I mean, Scotland's full of
spirits and things anyway, I think everybody.
Speaker 4: I think they all moved up to Scotland.
Speaker 3: Actually, to be fair.
Speaker 10: They're still very superstitious or there anyway, so I suppose
it's more welcoming for them in a way because they've
got all the other different spirits and fame things, and
I think everything's.
Speaker 4: Just moved up north. It's like you were open down here.
Speaker 3: So although everything's gone up to the mountains, and.
Speaker 2: The folklore in Scotland, in the Celts, the folklore is
so steeped in even if you were to take it
from the perspective of we speak therefore, it is the
history of folklore and even the Celtic routes in the
old ways of working, they're very deeply seated in Scotland,
in Ireland and in Wow. So I think that also
gives it a real undercurrent of like an amplifier for
paranormal and otherness. I think that's my opinion. But yeah,
there always seems and also like Edinburgh Castles, stunned.
Speaker 3: In it m beautiful the outside seeing the outside well
one day, hopefully this year you'll be seeing the inside
as well.
Speaker 4: And then if you run out, we all know.
Speaker 5: Running outside inside.
Speaker 4: There's in it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I do have a backup plan because I'm
in contact with the German team and they live not
far from here I live.
Speaker 6: I live near the German border.
Speaker 7: It's about ten minutes from here and within an hour
I will be at his place.
Speaker 6: And he investigates castles in Germany.
Speaker 7: So wow as well, and I still get a guest
the invitation open and uh, this week he did send
me a message happy New Year and where do we live?
Speaker 6: So I told him.
Speaker 7: And in German me of all persons, but he said,
I'm not that far from you.
Speaker 6: So I told him we will arrange the year that
we come and visit you.
Speaker 7: That amazing yes, and uh, if it clicks, we will
be guest investigators during one episode of them, because uh
they are on TV. Yes, I love I love the experience, Yes,
but do what they fake and if I can debunk them,
and yeah.
Speaker 5: It'll be cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely very cool.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have and.
Speaker 4: I think as well.
Speaker 2: I think I think it's fair to say my gripe
isn't TV paranoral researchers is the ones that are fake it.
But to be fair, like you said, it's I think
it's nice to also have that being able to collab
with different teams as well, because like you said in
that episode, you'd be able to bring your own unique
way of working, which will challenge and if you're demonstrating
that your role modeling it, you're showing that twelve people
you're teaching a new skill when it comes to the paranormal.
We need more of that, so that that's fantastic. One
thing I was thinking when you were talking about and
connecting it with Natalie talking about friends that are in
America paranormal researchers. One thing we do take for granted
is the amount of castles we have in Europe. In
America there's no castles whatsoever. So the amount of castles
we have here, we're quite luckily we have access to
one that's in Essex, and we do quite a lot there.
It's linked to the witch trials that happened in the
UK with the witch finder General Boo Hiss. He's heavily
linked to this particular castle as well. So I think
we're quite fortunate.
Speaker 3: In Europe to have that that the opportunity to have
locations like castles, whereas in America they have none.
Speaker 4: They have a lot of serial killers though, So.
Speaker 6: But to be honest, you had the most famous one.
Speaker 4: Oh ah, Jack the Ripper.
Speaker 3: Yeah fairs okay, yeah, I want dispute that, which also,
to be fair, I still find that that case is
obviously fascinating.
Speaker 2: But the amount of people that are identifying him, there's
a lot of people that do use him as case studies,
and I find that quite interesting. Two different people with
interviewed recently over the years. Is the one the gentleman
who was able to allegedly name Jack the Ripper through
DNA testing, and then alternatively we interviewed a ex Scotland
yard detective who absolutely blew that fury out of the water.
So even today that's so relevant. Okay, but yeah, you
are correct, he is the most famous one. Yeah yeah, okay,
Well I'll take that one, okay.
Speaker 4: So the serial killers. Now it seems like all roads
do lead back to serial killers. Recently, most of our podcasts.
Speaker 2: Go back to it, so I'm trying to shift it
quite quickly. But yeah, so with the what we were
in the new year, and we've obviously got lots of
new plans. Everyone's got plans for their paranormal team. What
kind of things have you got coming up? What are
you looking forward to the most other than Germany and Scotland?
Speaker 6: Our podcast?
Speaker 2: Oh yes, are you saying? Okay? Fantastic? Just tell us
a little bit about your podcast.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: We started in septemb and I had a brainstorm together
with Vivian Bowell and I thought I didn't have the
nurse to do it, so we started on TikTok and
I need yeah, I need.
Speaker 6: To say I love it.
Speaker 7: I like it a lot and the people I approach
are so open and so willing to participate. So yeah,
we have a few nice guests are coming on this month,
so I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 3: No, it's funny, isn't it, Because it's like I'm really
shy and it's it's like when I saw it on
Kerry on Facebook last year and she's like, oh, I
need someone to do a podcast with, and I was
just like, should I should?
Speaker 4: I should? I should? I?
Speaker 3: But like you say, once you actually start doing it,
it gets a momentum and you get to talk to
some pretty cool people as well. So it's like, you know,
it's because I was like, well, I could probably yack
about the paranormal all day long.
Speaker 4: Anyway. Yeah, that is great, glad you're enjoying it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and various topics. We had Mike Ripsac guy. That's
one that I was really nervous about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was quite interested in. I read his book
on shadow people. I find out very interesting. I keep
meaning to read this is he.
Speaker 4: Is he near? Or one about portals or something. I think, yeah,
one of the triangle in where is the triangle the study?
It's not the Bermuda one, is it?
Speaker 3: No, that's it Alaska. I was thinking Siberia, but cold place.
Speaker 4: Yes, that was it. Eh, that's interesting, So yeah, I
know what's.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: For the last if I send a message, most of
them reply with of course, Mary, of course, let's set
the date and we're looking at atas.
Speaker 5: Usually I get a message, write it down in your agenda.
We have an interview with this, this, and this that
that date. I'm like, all right, all.
Speaker 4: I think that is my Mary. I was going to say,
I need.
Speaker 3: To start giving you dates instead of giving you with
voice because carries a bit adhd so her idea of
time and date is.
Speaker 4: Worse the mind. And I want to do it. What
day do you want?
Speaker 3: And then like five messages in three weeks later, So wait,
perhaps I should take a leap out of.
Speaker 4: Your book and b ceo I will. I was like,
this is the day, this is the time, write it down.
Speaker 7: Yes, I agree, it's so I decided. For the American
folks we picked the Saturday because it's convenient for them,
and for the Dutch folks we take the Thursday.
Speaker 6: But we have some exceptions, like next week mister.
Speaker 7: Omar from the Omar House omen House, David omen It
was available on Thursday, so we dropped him in on Thursday,
and uh a few more were available on Thursday. So
most of the time it's Thursday or Saturday. So it's
just the name and the time. And I sent to
him and some people ask, don't you have to ask him? No,
I'm telling it.
Speaker 4: Natally'd be more like, Mary need to stop people like people.
Speaker 3: My Yes, I mean, did you marry for hints and
tips on her manage?
Speaker 6: Get some manager's skills.
Speaker 7: If you want people to let's do something, you don't
give them a choice to bring it like you give
them a choice, but you don't give them a choice,
so you don't have the ability to say yes or no.
Just okay, I like that.
Speaker 4: You up for that? Carry Yeah, we're.
Speaker 3: Super organization, will we?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Well, thank you for sharing your tips. You've probably
made Natalie's and then my life so much easier for
this year. We will update you this time next year
to let you know how we've got on.
Speaker 4: You. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely around your podcast review, because yeah, will be is
it two years?
Speaker 4: Yes? And then yeah?
Speaker 3: I think so it's like we could have an annual
review this time next year and see how we're doing.
Speaker 4: Sounds perfect.
Speaker 2: So one thing that me and Natalie do do is
that we both have very different interests when it comes
to the paranormal. So I've got to speak to some
really fascinating people that do a lot with like folklore
and equestining. Is that correct that the if I've pronounced
that there's some questionine healing.
Speaker 3: We had an a horse healer guy on who is
fascinating because I've got horses, and my horses are always
very sort of psychic at the risk is sounding crazy,
and so he was really fascinating to talk to about
how he approaches healing and the horses themselves and everything,
and you know how their consciousness is different to people's.
And yeah, it was it was quite I really enjoyed
that one. It was a cue, absolutely.
Speaker 2: And I think the people that I've kind of chosen
or I've approached have been a little bit more psychology
based or motive based or human behavior based, So I
think the two together, I've actually been able to learn
a lot more about what I thought I knew by
having the conversations with guests that Natally have brought in
and we both got our favorites. Every guests have been fantastic,
but we've all got something different. So has there been
topics for even one of you that you're really I mean,
I'm really interested in human psychology and false collective memory.
So any opportunity I've got, I would discuss that. Chris French,
I've managed to have a conversation we feel about it
was fantastic. But for you guys, is there a subject
that you're quite passionate about. When it comes to paranormal
research that differs from one another.
Speaker 5: To me, there's I like all subjects, there's no difference
for me, and there's no favorite because I think for
everybody does his investigation in a different way. It makes
me think when people say I do it like this
and this, and I'm like, can think about that? So
I learned from it. There's not a favorite for me personally.
I like every conversation I have, yeah, being there, But
for me, I like everything. I think everything's interesting.
Speaker 3: It's a curiosity about the world in general rather than
a specific Yeah. It's a good way of being I
have to make I'm really nosy about pretty much everything,
so I think you.
Speaker 4: Learn a lot that way. I have conversations with people
about all sorts of random stuff.
Speaker 3: When it worked on the bar, I had a conversation
from about stamp collecting, and then the next day somebody
worked at zoo and they were telling me about all,
you know, the research to be doing at the zoo,
and I was like, wow, you know, and it's like
it's amazing what people are interested in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but what's about you? Mary?
Speaker 7: Then if you my interests is very broad. I've done
a lot of education. I'm a fat assistant because I
thought that I would like it, but I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't like gods and animals who live. Yeah, yeah,
that wasn't my thing. I'm a hairdresser. I'm an artist.
Speaker 7: And if you go to the paranormal, I like reiche,
I like the psychology. I like to talk about energies,
how the brain works. Yeah, give me something and I'd
jump into it at it.
Speaker 2: So tell me a little bit about the energy and
the way the brain works, just a little bit of
a I know, obviously, I'm sure that's a massive subject.
So if if it was suggest to dip at home
into that, what would it wo be your kind of
your opener for for looking at that a bit more?
Speaker 7: Yeah, in your memory, the front or part of your brain.
Speaker 6: Each part has a part of memory.
Speaker 7: So for example, if you have a chair, you have
so many different sky of chairs and to be able
to recognize it, it put into different places.
Speaker 6: So experience in life is the same.
Speaker 7: So if you have a blue chair, it's here, for example,
and a green chair is there, and an antique chair
is here, so you can grab to those informations, and
it's the same with emotions. Every part of the brain
sends out signals for different emotions, and the catch for
me is to master my own emotions and if I
come into a situation, I can choose how I react.
Speaker 6: So you can master also your flight, fight or please mechanisma.
Speaker 7: You feel it, you master it, and every part of
your brain is involved.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, thank you for sharing that. I find
that quite interesting, the neuro neurological makeup of everything, especially
when we work with the paranormal. As you say, if
we are in an experience that resonates with an experience
we've already had, we might have all those natural responses
in the body that relate to it, although the actual
component might be missing, it's just the memory of it
that can create that response. Okay, thank you so much
for sharing. I appreciate that we're coming to the end
of our show. I think the most important part. We
obviously love talking to you, but knowing where people can
find you and what you've got coming up. So yeah,
so where would we be able to find your podcasts
and what kind of podcasts have what podcasts have you
got booked up coming in the next couple of months.
Speaker 7: We are on TikTok Thanks Netherlands, and we have a
second account, Things Netherlands Guests. Every podcast we put on
the Guests so people can watch it back.
Speaker 6: It's in part from Maximum an Hour. We have.
Speaker 7: Next Saturday an interesting talk with Tony and Deborah Pigman
about the Sally House. It's very interesting. Next week we
will be talking about Tarrold, the kiboy that human design,
so it's a completely different topic. And the week after
that we have to David Owen House and we talked
to David Oman about his book and yeah, everything he
experienced on daily basis. And end of the month we
have a Dutch guy who talks about EVPs.
Speaker 6: He is.
Speaker 7: Almost every day catching voices from the other side and he.
Speaker 6: Made this job out of it.
Speaker 7: And the week after that, if I'm correct, we have
money soon.
Speaker 6: So the paranormal.
Speaker 7: Drags, so we jump all over in the paranormal and whatever.
And we have a Facebook group Things in the Netherlands
and cooperation with the Ravens, and we have a light
Paige Things in the Netherlands perfect.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I'll make sure I share them onto our platforms as well.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: So I do have a question about the Sally House.
It's been a long time since I've heard about Sally House.
Is there still paranormal activity there?
Speaker 7: Yes, there are still phenormal activity there. Last year during
an investigation, Steve Shippy had a case in the area
of the Seally House and he went into a small
investigation in the Cellly House and he captured some EVPs
and some evidence from actual housing. And if I'm correct,
the Pigments do tours as well. You can book them
I think once a month on Saturdays and they do
a tour wait too.
Speaker 6: And tell you everything about the history.
Speaker 7: And they are quite open at this point to talk
to people in Europe because not everyone knows it the
Sally House here in the Netherlands. We have seen it
on teav with ghosts that ventured. Well, I didn't like
it with Steve Shippy in housing in the Heartlands and
the haunting was it I think the small.
Speaker 5: Witness, yeah, parnormal witness and the haunted.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there was in the nineties somewhere. So most the
gators here in the Netherlands don't even know about the
selling out. That's why we like it.
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, shall you he'd just be as an aside.
Because you've also got ur Raven's Paranormal group, haven't you
on Facebook?
Speaker 4: I think? Are you still doing your paranormal video reviews?
Speaker 5: I am starting it this year again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I was really I like watching those. I
was quite sad when you seem to stop and when
you went very well and very well, and I was
just like.
Speaker 7: No, you're gone.
Speaker 5: I have a guilty one. And she is being interviewed
right now as well. She made it too busy for me.
I said, well, this year, I'm not going to do
it anymore because we're do busy. We're doing the interviews
for the podcasts, and starting next year twenty twenty five,
we're going to make take it a lot easier with
the podcast so I can make some more time on
my review. So they're going to come again.
Speaker 3: Oh that's good, that's good.
Speaker 4: It was what was it?
Speaker 3: I can't never remember which way round you call it?
Is it Raveson's paranormal review?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, keep an eye everyone for that. Yeah. Absolutely, we'll
share it onto our pages as well.
Speaker 6: Yes, thank you.
Speaker 5: I need to shop as well, so.
Speaker 4: Perfect even more so we'll share it out.
Speaker 5: Very much.
Speaker 4: Thank you, well, thank you, so much.
Speaker 2: Un listen, Lalie, if you've got any more questions where
I just cut you off, I was going to.
Speaker 4: Say not in the two minutes to be fair.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you both so much for joining us, and
thank you for talking with us. We really appreciate it.
We wish you all the best for your coming podcast
as well, and we hope that we get to see
you in Edinburgh. Absolutely that would be amazing. Thank you,
thank you so much for joining us, Thank you very much,
thank you. So we're going to say good night, thank
you for listening, and we will see you next time.