1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: You're listening to Seventh Sanctum on the Parallel UK radio network. 2 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,559 Speaker 2: Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whenever you're listening to this, 3 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,440 thank you for joining us. I am Kerry Anne, and 4 00:00:24,519 --> 00:00:27,320 this is Seventh Sanctum and there's normal. I am being 5 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:31,359 joined with Natalie, my co host, ghosts host. 6 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not quite sure. 7 00:00:37,039 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 4: I'm just haunting the podcast. I find it funny. 8 00:00:43,359 --> 00:00:46,399 Speaker 2: No one else does, so I just I think I'm 9 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:47,840 being witty, is what I'm thinking. 10 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 4: That it is very it is witty. Thank you for 11 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:58,079 humoring me. Thank you for that it's not so funny, 12 00:00:58,079 --> 00:01:01,520 and I'm not funny. So you're okay, you're in company. 13 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:05,760 Thank you. How are you? And know we're back to normal, 14 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:11,480 back to reality. I've lost my voice, so everybody' said 15 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,519 the lead. Yame Christmas. And I've been fine and now 16 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:18,879 I've got the sore throat in the other than that bad. 17 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:24,120 Thank you you okay, yes, good, thank you, Yes, back 18 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:24,760 to reality. 19 00:01:24,879 --> 00:01:28,799 Speaker 2: Structure. I thrive in structure. So now I've got it happy, 20 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:33,920 very happy. And tonight we're being joined with Shane and Mary. 21 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:35,799 Thank you both for joining us. 22 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 5: Thank you, You're welcome, welcome. 23 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much. I think because there's 24 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,239 two of you, we used to only having one. 25 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 4: Guess. 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,719 Speaker 2: So what we're doing is if we start with Mary, 27 00:01:48,799 --> 00:01:50,239 like if you say, okay, can you tell me a 28 00:01:50,239 --> 00:01:52,599 little bit about you? Tell our listeners a little bit 29 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,959 about you. How you got into the paranormal. 30 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:03,599 Speaker 6: Wow. Well, I'm Mary and I hate this. I'm fifty 31 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:09,680 seven and I'm in the paranormal since my twenties. 32 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 7: And yeah, my first experience was as a child. I 33 00:02:16,719 --> 00:02:22,319 hadn't imagine every friend. Plus we had a soldier standing 34 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,240 on the addict and I was so scared of him. 35 00:02:27,039 --> 00:02:32,800 And it was in my late teens when I met 36 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:38,840 my biological father that I understood what was going on 37 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,039 because my family thought that I was crazy. Not you 38 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,599 know the story, you know the drill, and I jumped 39 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:54,599 into every aspect of the spiritual world and also the paranormal. 40 00:02:55,240 --> 00:03:03,759 So I did psychology and I'm a counselor. I did hypnosis, regression. 41 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:10,800 There are psychology reiche, different forms and so on and 42 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,759 so on and so on, and I try to use 43 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,120 it in the bar normal. 44 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 6: So that's a bit about me. 45 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 2: Thank you, And I do have one question. Before we 46 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,840 moved to Shane and asked Shane to tell us a 47 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,319 little bit about his journey. One question that really stands 48 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:36,199 out for me is para psychology and psychology as as 49 00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:41,120 a and the spirituality. They're so conflicting, aren't they, Because 50 00:03:41,879 --> 00:03:42,960 there's always going to be. 51 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 4: In terms of. 52 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: Psychology, there's always a logical explanation for human experience. 53 00:03:49,199 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 4: So how do you find that? 54 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 6: Difficult? 55 00:03:52,479 --> 00:03:56,759 Speaker 7: At first because I thought I was crazy because I'm 56 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,520 high sensitive. I felt things, I smelled things, I heard things, 57 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:06,919 and in the psychology, yeah, you go to the knothouse. 58 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,479 Speaker 6: So it was a conflict. 59 00:04:11,719 --> 00:04:16,439 Speaker 7: But after I studied how the brain works and how 60 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:21,759 it process information and where its towards it, it made 61 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:22,519 more sense. 62 00:04:23,319 --> 00:04:25,399 Speaker 6: But it's still difficult to. 63 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 7: Use it in the paranormal because in my head there's 64 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:33,560 always a struggle always. 65 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you for answering that. I'm sure we'll 66 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:42,040 revisit as the show goes on. Thank you, And Shane, 67 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:43,519 could you introduce yourself please? 68 00:04:44,639 --> 00:04:44,879 Speaker 6: Yeah. 69 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 5: Well, my name is Shane. I am thirty seven years 70 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:53,639 old and compared to Mary and Boring, I started paranormal 71 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,279 when I was about sixteen, maybe earlier, but sixteen for real. 72 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,439 I I didn't dare to go inside buildings. So why 73 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:08,240 I started a paranormal I have no clue, but it 74 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:11,519 was because of one experience I had. I saw my guide, 75 00:05:11,639 --> 00:05:13,639 which I know is my guide now, but he was 76 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,040 sitting on my bed and I looked at him like 77 00:05:16,079 --> 00:05:20,000 I was looking at you guys right now, which was 78 00:05:20,759 --> 00:05:24,879 not even almost C two until I started looking better. 79 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:28,000 So I jumped underneath my covers and I didn't come 80 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,040 out until I was sure it was gone. I got 81 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:35,040 scared very much, and after that I found mine now wife. 82 00:05:35,399 --> 00:05:39,040 I met her. We talked about paranormal stuff and everything 83 00:05:39,079 --> 00:05:45,800 that could happen during paranormal sensations or encounters, and she 84 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,199 had the exam exact same encounter I had, and we 85 00:05:50,639 --> 00:05:53,600 talked about it, and that's when the ball started rolling 86 00:05:53,639 --> 00:05:58,639 and he started the paranormal team. I didn't do anything 87 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,360 parapsychlic he or something that's very true. 88 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,319 Speaker 3: Did did your wife meet her guide as well then, 89 00:06:06,399 --> 00:06:09,000 or did she just have a similar type of encounter. 90 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,079 Speaker 5: My wife is a witch, so she has a lot 91 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,839 of guides. Oh, I wrote in there as well, so 92 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:17,959 I am a second degree witch. 93 00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 3: Okay, so did the guide things start off? Your interest 94 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,639 in witchcraft. Were you already sort of brought up in 95 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:27,600 a little bit. 96 00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:32,519 Speaker 5: I actually thought that it was very interesting, but it 97 00:06:32,639 --> 00:06:36,399 came afterwards after my guide experience. She told me what 98 00:06:36,439 --> 00:06:41,879 it was. She said, well, probably it's your guide and 99 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,720 it's my great grand dad, so I know who he is. 100 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,079 And I saw him by accident because my mom was 101 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,759 taking looking at pictures, all pictures, and I was like, 102 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,680 I know this man. He's like, well, that's not possible 103 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,920 because he died when you were one, so it's impossible 104 00:06:58,959 --> 00:07:02,600 to remember that. I said, I sign my mind was 105 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,639 completely blanked, and she was like, what the hell do 106 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,800 I have for my house? She believes, so that's a 107 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:12,360 good thing. 108 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:21,079 Speaker 3: Okary, So sorry, yes, sorry, I'm listening. 109 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: I mute my mic because I'm aware there's noises are 110 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,879 going around me, but it also takes me a real 111 00:07:25,959 --> 00:07:28,959 long time time mute it because I do apologize. You 112 00:07:29,079 --> 00:07:33,319 mentioned that you started your paranormal team, So can you 113 00:07:33,319 --> 00:07:35,360 tell us a little bit about your paranormal team? What 114 00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:37,240 are you called and what kind of things do you 115 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:37,639 get up to? 116 00:07:39,519 --> 00:07:44,199 Speaker 5: We were called spirit chases and now back then it 117 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,319 was for I think we started it and it took 118 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,800 off a year maybe one and a half, and I 119 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:57,879 would quit because it wasn't our cup of team. We 120 00:07:58,079 --> 00:08:01,319 got in fight and everything and nothing was going the 121 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,759 way we wanted it. And I joined another team, which 122 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,319 I'm not proud of that team. I'm not going to 123 00:08:06,519 --> 00:08:11,000 main names, but they were she's laughing because she knows 124 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:18,439 who I'm talking about. But no, that team is not 125 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:23,800 to ride back from because they suck. And then I 126 00:08:23,879 --> 00:08:26,040 was like, I'm not going to do this against my startup, 127 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:31,199 my now team, which is the Ravens Paranormal, and I'm 128 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,360 still going with that team. I am now working together 129 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:37,320 with things in Netherlands since what is. 130 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:44,919 Speaker 8: It two years something almost two years now, and it's 131 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,759 very close where we're like mine that we can do. 132 00:08:50,159 --> 00:08:51,759 Speaker 5: I don't only have to look at Mary and I 133 00:08:51,799 --> 00:08:55,559 know what she's going to do back and forth. So 134 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,000 it's it's it's becoming a big team. 135 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:00,759 Speaker 4: Got nice. 136 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,519 Speaker 3: I was going to say, you've got a nice complimentary 137 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:09,200 mix between your sort of like which witchy type side 138 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,080 and Mary's uh, you know, the parasitology and or you're 139 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:16,840 you're aching everything. It's quite a nice interesting combination of 140 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,679 energies rather than the bog standard medium sensitive thing. I bet, 141 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:24,120 I bet your investigations are actually quite interesting, are they 142 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:25,000 between you? 143 00:09:25,279 --> 00:09:27,519 Speaker 6: When you get going yeah? 144 00:09:27,639 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 5: If yes, definitely, Yeah, things tend to happen when we're there. 145 00:09:35,279 --> 00:09:37,519 Speaker 2: And I think as well, having such a big mix 146 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,799 of skill sets can also broader as well, the opportunities 147 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,120 for working together and collaboratively working. I think when when 148 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,039 we think a little bit about when you said about 149 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,080 the previous paralleled teams, we find that sometimes if there's 150 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,320 too much likeness in one, there's not much room for 151 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,519 growth or development or open minded and receivers. So I 152 00:09:57,519 --> 00:09:59,799 think when you've got a collection of people that all 153 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,039 something very different to the table, there's an opportunity there 154 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,320 to have that real kind of openness of concepts and 155 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:11,120 ideas to kind of really push forward with paranormal research, 156 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,320 which we're needing to see more of. To be fair, 157 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,799 that we're saturated with paranormal ghost hunts when they with 158 00:10:17,879 --> 00:10:21,399 ghost hunts, where really what we're needing a lot more 159 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,279 to kind of move the movement forward a bit more. 160 00:10:24,879 --> 00:10:28,639 Is the substantial paranormal research just going to bring some 161 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,879 whether it's through parapsychology or whether it's through the proof 162 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,240 of evidence of life after life. However that manifests. There 163 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,200 needs to be more, isn't there that we can start 164 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,480 really putting our teeth in and kind of looking at. 165 00:10:41,799 --> 00:10:44,559 We think of some of the older experiments that took 166 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:49,039 place within paranormal research, like the Filips experiment of Skulls experiment. 167 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,360 They both use the same kind of fundamental variables, but 168 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:58,399 they come from different perspectives. But it gave results. It 169 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,000 showed results enough for us to go way and work 170 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:02,960 on and look at a bit more. So we are 171 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,440 definitely needing a lot more of that now, especially with 172 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,360 the movement of social media. And how I know you 173 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:13,200 said you sided a very long time ago, I at 174 00:11:13,279 --> 00:11:18,000 ten years was mine. Paranormal back then is completely different 175 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:22,840 to paranormal now, and I miss how it was before. 176 00:11:23,399 --> 00:11:24,279 I really missed that. 177 00:11:25,759 --> 00:11:28,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what the problem is with back then 178 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:33,320 and now nowadays? You have all the paranormal shows and 179 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,720 it's very exciting. Things tend to happen and things fly 180 00:11:36,799 --> 00:11:40,399 around the rooms and like a real paranormal investigating, those 181 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,919 are not going to happen like that. But we showed 182 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,000 the videos we make ig boring because nothing happens, but 183 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,639 that's a real investigation. And that's the problem. 184 00:11:50,879 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're missing a bit in terms of 185 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,440 how we present paranormal research. Like you said, it's it's 186 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,960 kind of always back then, even when there was not 187 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:08,919 very much happening, it definitely was a thrill seeking experience 188 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,799 for me, even if it was just we had a 189 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,000 really plain night. But the way I always explain it 190 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,320 to people is it's kind of like fishing. Like some 191 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,360 nights you're going to get nothing, some night you're going 192 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:20,000 to get lows. 193 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 4: But it's okay. 194 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: You're not there for what you're capturing, you getting. You're 195 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,080 there because it's something you enjoy doing. But I suppose 196 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:32,039 it's a consumer you know, we they want more, always 197 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,879 going to be able to deliver. And then that's when 198 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:36,440 you get all the kind of the gray areas, which 199 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,320 pushes people into going with everything's fake, everything's everything's you know, 200 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,840 for entertainment purposes only, Which is this game that we 201 00:12:45,879 --> 00:12:47,039 have to put out now, isn't it? 202 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:47,159 Speaker 5: So? 203 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. It's a bit of a I think 204 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:51,440 horror film. 205 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 3: Horror films don't help either because their portrayal of because 206 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,720 I mean, to me, I still find it amazing when 207 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,840 I catch an ev P or you get touched and 208 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:03,639 it's just like a very light feeling. 209 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 4: To me, that's like really significant. 210 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 3: But to everybody else, they're all, like you say, they're 211 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:10,799 expecting things to go flying, people to get launched against 212 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,440 the walls and everything, and I think they tend to 213 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,759 undo this significance of feeling something that's not there touching you. 214 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,200 It's like, I mean to me that that was one 215 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,240 of the most significant ghostly experiences I had when I 216 00:13:24,279 --> 00:13:26,639 felt something put their hand on my back and there 217 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,440 was no one there and it was a firm feeling, 218 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,000 and it's like and yeah, it's Everybody else sort of 219 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:36,039 downplays that because oh, yeah, it's just you know, a 220 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,799 ghost voice or it's you know. But to me, like 221 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,879 you say, that is more significant. But because things weren't 222 00:13:41,919 --> 00:13:44,320 being launched across room, and so the horror films kind 223 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,600 of exaggerate everything as well. You have an expectation, don't you. 224 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,919 And it's a really because like everybody dismisses then the 225 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,080 significant stuff that they have happened because it's so low key, 226 00:13:55,919 --> 00:13:58,279 you know, they don't take it seriously. 227 00:13:59,159 --> 00:13:59,759 Speaker 4: I don't think. 228 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I always get the question for people don't know 229 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,399 how the paramel works and how you doing investigations? What 230 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,000 can happen? I always get the question about the horror movies. 231 00:14:12,039 --> 00:14:14,679 Can you get thrown against the wall, pulled out of 232 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,480 the bed, get bitten there? And I don't know what 233 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:22,960 kind of questions? And I'm like huh, and but I 234 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,120 can't see that any movies. And I'm like, yes, you 235 00:14:25,159 --> 00:14:29,320 said it. It's a movie. It's not real. Oh so 236 00:14:29,399 --> 00:14:32,399 that can happen. Well, some things can happen, but I've 237 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:33,000 never seen it. 238 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:35,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if that happened to me as well, 239 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:37,440 I wouldn't be doing any investigation. 240 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:39,919 Speaker 4: I'd be running away very very very fast. 241 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,679 Speaker 5: There's only one thing that I'm If I see that, 242 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:49,759 I'm done. I'm not investigating any building, nothing anymore. Have 243 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,279 you seen the movie Grave Encounters? 244 00:14:53,879 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 4: I don't think i've seen that one. Is it like 245 00:14:56,399 --> 00:14:59,639 a low budget? No budget? 246 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, he pretends being Zach Began's only in another name 247 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:05,919 and something like that. It's funny as hell. I think 248 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,320 the movie is funny as Okay, can I swear? 249 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 4: I mean you did. 250 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:18,559 Speaker 9: Before I swear even more, we'll put we'll put exclaimer. 251 00:15:22,039 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 5: You could beat me out. There's no problem before even. 252 00:15:30,759 --> 00:15:31,399 Speaker 4: I'm surprised. 253 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:38,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, already to be fair well behaved, warm people before 254 00:15:38,799 --> 00:15:41,679 the thing goes out, the show goes Yeah. 255 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:44,039 Speaker 5: I love of crystals. 256 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:46,799 Speaker 4: You'll be banned. 257 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:56,519 Speaker 5: Probably. There is one scene in that movie and that's 258 00:15:56,519 --> 00:16:00,440 scarce shit out of me. It's a ghost standing in 259 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,519 the corner and she turns around only her head and 260 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,799 the mouth completely opens and there's a black hole in 261 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,600 there and it opens like a part further than a 262 00:16:08,679 --> 00:16:11,159 snake opens his mouth. And I'm like, if I see that, 263 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:17,000 I'm gone, Yeah running I saw that. That won't run 264 00:16:17,039 --> 00:16:17,399 for fun. 265 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 4: That needs to be on a T shirt. 266 00:16:27,879 --> 00:16:31,919 Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm gone. 267 00:16:33,399 --> 00:16:35,679 Speaker 5: Well, there's a textbon T shirt that says, if you 268 00:16:35,679 --> 00:16:40,360 see me running, run faster. Yeah that is something I 269 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:45,480 used to see. Okay, I saw something you do you 270 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:46,159 don't want to see. 271 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:48,919 Speaker 3: My friend used to be like that when we used 272 00:16:48,919 --> 00:16:52,879 to go go something. It's like if I went, it 273 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,960 was out of there. It's like it's something that you're 274 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:56,399 scared of. 275 00:16:56,519 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 4: I'm going. It's like I was really. 276 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, I know, I'm going to be all right, 277 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,000 And I'd be like, what was that and he's like, gone, 278 00:17:06,759 --> 00:17:08,680 there in the coal mine. It was like where it 279 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:12,119 was relaxed, it was okay. 280 00:17:13,519 --> 00:17:15,559 Speaker 4: I'd be rubbish on the proper gosn't like that. 281 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 3: If things like that happened, I would just be like, 282 00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:21,240 I'm out of not very investigating material really. 283 00:17:21,279 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 4: For that, it's like. 284 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 6: You jump because you see yourself in a mirror. 285 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 3: Oh, when your stomach growls and you think it's a demon, 286 00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:38,400 but exactly a stomach routing. 287 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,599 Speaker 4: Times it's ridiculous. 288 00:17:43,319 --> 00:17:48,279 Speaker 2: And also why has every location got mannequins? Why have 289 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:52,720 we got mannequins in every location we're at? That baffles 290 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:55,279 me wandering around in the darker. I know it's going 291 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:56,839 to turn up, and I know there's gonna be one 292 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,920 sitting in the corner over there, And even though I see, 293 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,759 I still jump out in and I have no idea 294 00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:04,000 why there's so many annequins. 295 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 4: What's the need? What's the need? 296 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: I walked in on Margaret Thatcher once doing a telegram 297 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:17,599 that made me jump out of my skin. Yeah, I 298 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,359 think I think it is quite interesting to kind of 299 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,240 see how far we've come, but literally how far we haven't. 300 00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:25,640 Either in terms of when we think a little bit 301 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,519 about ghost hunting and stuff or paranoral research, it can 302 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:32,160 get a bit. It can get a bit frustrating at times, 303 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:35,279 especially like you said, Shane, when you I mean you 304 00:18:35,319 --> 00:18:41,240 gave the example grave encounters, but the amount of times 305 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,599 I've just been doing a little bit of doom scrolling 306 00:18:43,759 --> 00:18:46,599 through TikTok and you can you're watching a live and 307 00:18:46,599 --> 00:18:50,359 you're like, why are you doing this? Why are you 308 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,920 doing this? Is this is not helpful? 309 00:18:53,319 --> 00:18:53,759 Speaker 5: Yeah? 310 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,079 Speaker 4: This isn't helpful. 311 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,759 Speaker 6: Absolutely want to cry? 312 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,319 Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely? 313 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,279 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, now we put the world to riots for 314 00:19:07,319 --> 00:19:10,720 those that are making it harder for us paranormal researchers. 315 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 4: I would love to ask both of you. 316 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,559 Speaker 2: I don't mind which you know, whoever goes first, but 317 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,920 you've obviously both been investigating for a long time. Where 318 00:19:20,039 --> 00:19:23,119 is there a location that you have been to that 319 00:19:23,279 --> 00:19:25,799 has made you feel like I've got no interest in 320 00:19:25,839 --> 00:19:30,119 going back there because of an experience that you've had. 321 00:19:31,279 --> 00:19:33,079 Speaker 1: Pooh oh. 322 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:38,039 Speaker 6: Ah. 323 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:43,559 Speaker 7: Yes, but it was a residential. I was going on 324 00:19:43,599 --> 00:19:50,680 the road with an exorcist archbishop and we went there 325 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:58,960 and we got attacked, all of us and dodged and provoked, 326 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,400 and there came a time when I asked, can I 327 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:08,720 do provoking back? So I did. I went upstairs I 328 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:13,559 provoked it. I won't repeat what I said because it's 329 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,759 going to bleep bleep, bleple bleply blepleple bleep. But we 330 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:24,000 got an EVP at that point and it said you 331 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:31,119 think highly of yourself, bitch. So I was startled and 332 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,839 I went downstairs and I felt something on my back 333 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,720 and I got scratched from the top to the bottom, 334 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:46,119 and I started cursing, and the exorcist had the same 335 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,599 experience at the same time. 336 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 6: It's back also scratched. And we were targets that night. 337 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,759 Speaker 7: So that wasn't fun, and I'm not going to do 338 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:01,039 that anymore now. 339 00:21:01,519 --> 00:21:04,279 Speaker 4: No, do you think some of that was because you 340 00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:07,279 were provoking then or we Is that just the thing 341 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:09,799 that they were doing to bring it out? You know, 342 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:17,119 with you being with the nexuss. 343 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 6: It's attacked. 344 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 7: The people are in the house, most of all the 345 00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:29,119 kids by spreadching, giving them marks on their legs like fingertips. 346 00:21:29,839 --> 00:21:35,200 So if it's going to flee, you have to provoke 347 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:40,160 to get it out. Yeah, yeah, I don't like it. 348 00:21:40,319 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 6: I don't like it. 349 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 7: I never provoke here investigations. I can be harsh and 350 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:54,880 very strict, but I try to approach them like I 351 00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:57,039 approach people, so. 352 00:21:58,559 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 4: Be fat if you. 353 00:21:59,759 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 3: Guys with the Exorcist, you're going for a reason, aren't you. 354 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:06,160 So it's it's a different a different reason for being 355 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,039 there rather than just investigating. So like you say, you 356 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,480 need to bring it out to get rid of it, 357 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:15,200 and to find it to get rid of it. So yeah, yeah, 358 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,240 the context of it, Yeah. 359 00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's very interesting and we had a lot of 360 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:27,680 equipment and to see you build up it was very interesting. 361 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:33,119 But to get burned, No, I don't like it. 362 00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 6: I don't like the feeling. 363 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 4: No do you? 364 00:22:38,039 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 3: Was it just the one that you went on then 365 00:22:39,759 --> 00:22:41,599 with you with the Exorcist? 366 00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 4: Or did we was it? If you know you're doing 367 00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:49,160 it in several cases like that we have done let me think. 368 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 7: Sometime like three or four cases. And then the team 369 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:59,640 fell apart because too much ego. Not the Exorcist, but 370 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:05,039 the other investigations. And they weren't supposed to come on camera. 371 00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:11,039 They weren't supposed to be recognizable, but they came. I'm 372 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:15,160 from so I said, whoa go ahead. 373 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 4: Mhmm. That's a shame. It's a shame when that happens. 374 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 7: It's it's because it's very interesting and it came from 375 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:34,279 an idea to drop every way of investigating together, so 376 00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:43,440 the wags, the pagan, the skeptic, the beliefs. So I 377 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:50,200 had someone who is yeah, very godminded all of the day. 378 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,279 So that way I wanted to put a team together. 379 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:03,599 But you have the personalities and yeah that uh so 380 00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:07,000 I dropped it and I went with a small team 381 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:08,440 further and. 382 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 6: Now we are hardly back together. So yeah, the best 383 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,960 investigators are back to the other. 384 00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:18,599 Speaker 4: Oh that's good. 385 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 3: I think everybody has to go through that phase, don't they. 386 00:24:24,039 --> 00:24:26,440 Where you know, like you say, with the team, it 387 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,680 always seems to be like you get people come together 388 00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:31,039 and it breaks up, and then the next one seems 389 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:33,559 to be a better a better balance. I think it's 390 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,119 a learning cave everyone sort of ends up having to 391 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,240 go through at some point. 392 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 7: Also, the personalities have to click and some personalities you. 393 00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 6: Don't mix them you don't. 394 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 7: And that's the learning part, which which person can we 395 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,079 take into the team which we can't? And I need 396 00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,640 to learn to stand up. 397 00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 6: I'm a business woman. 398 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,799 Speaker 7: I was a manager in a big company and we 399 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,440 had eighty person staff, and no one disagreed with me. 400 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,759 If I told them to do anything, they did it. 401 00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:17,119 But within the team it's closer to home. You have 402 00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:23,480 your own time, your money. You put so much energy 403 00:25:23,559 --> 00:25:25,920 in it, so it's so disappointing. 404 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 5: Hmm. 405 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 7: Now, yeah, I'm very pleased with how far we come. 406 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 4: So are you the one in charge now? Then? This year? 407 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:38,160 How of you? 408 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 7: A different kind of not I. I do everything with 409 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,519 Shane and Samantha, his wife, and the three of us. 410 00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 4: We make the. 411 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:59,799 Speaker 7: Decisions and if we can't agree, I make the end decision. 412 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,519 Speaker 4: That's how it should, isn't it. 413 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 6: Yeah. 414 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 7: I love it to discuss things and her things different 415 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:17,279 different views, so you can integrate anything in the way 416 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,160 you handle things. So yes, I like, I like to 417 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:27,920 debate everything, and we have every investigation different case manager. 418 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:36,079 So yeah, yeah. 419 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 5: Mm hmm. We never had a discussion we didn't agree 420 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,960 on so so. 421 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,599 Speaker 3: I was like, really helps, it's like you've never had 422 00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:58,039 a disagreement. We ask, well, that's good then, because I say, 423 00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:03,559 you've got very harmonious mix of energies there. It sounds amazing, 424 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,720 It sounds really good. 425 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 2: And we do have to kiss a lot of frogs 426 00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:11,640 to get to where we're supposed to be. So it 427 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,839 sounds like everyone found their own way and now found 428 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,400 like a piece of paranormal home. And I think when 429 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,359 you get that group of people where you just naturally vibe, 430 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:23,559 there's always going to be difficulties from time to time, 431 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,599 but to be able to be able to take a 432 00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:30,680 step back, and sometimes that's also licking in the mirror 433 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:34,279 at yourself and kind of understanding why maybe something's not 434 00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:37,759 landing correctly or whether it's being taken the wrong way 435 00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:39,240 personally or otherwise. 436 00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 4: It takes a lot. That takes a lot. 437 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 2: So obviously you're quite evolved people that have kind of 438 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,400 got together and do something you really enjoy, which is fantastic. 439 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,319 That's really hard to come by. 440 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 4: Myself. 441 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 2: I've been through, I've been through, I've been in I've 442 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,359 been through all the teams. I've been through something well, 443 00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:03,640 So I've had a number of teams and I've now 444 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,079 got with Natalie and some other people were seventh sanc 445 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,279 Sem and again it's that same kind of feeling of 446 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,079 thinking you found your tribe and then that kind of 447 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,559 work into to kind of the benefit for the whole 448 00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:20,000 team as well what you're looking for. So is it's 449 00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:21,640 good when that all kind of comes together. 450 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,279 Speaker 4: So what about you? 451 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: Shane has there been a location that you've been too, 452 00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:33,200 and you're like absolutely never going No, Okay. 453 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 5: I have still I keep telling everybody who knows me, 454 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:39,920 I'm still looking for the one location where you can 455 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,599 see me running and you have to run fast. 456 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,759 Speaker 3: I think everybody will be so shocked about your running 457 00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:50,079 they'll just be standing there video and get looking at 458 00:28:50,079 --> 00:28:51,880 you getting it's like we were. 459 00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:59,079 Speaker 6: Yeah, but I'm taking the challenge. If it's. 460 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 7: Going to happen, and if we can sort of dog 461 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,759 we will be going to Scotland. 462 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 6: Yeah. 463 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:13,319 Speaker 7: I will drop him first in a house of castle, 464 00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:16,440 so if he comes around the house, I know I 465 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,039 have to go after him. 466 00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 6: He's going back in. 467 00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 3: They take him to the vaults, the Edinburgh Vaults. 468 00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I really really want to go there. 469 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, experience that one is even just like being there 470 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:40,759 in the history of it. It's just like you just 471 00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:45,839 can't imagine people used to live there, you know it 472 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,960 basically wine cellar and everyone used to live there. 473 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,599 Speaker 4: It's just mad. Yeah. 474 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, they have very good they're very good storytellers in 475 00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:58,400 there as well. They know how to create an ambiance 476 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,119 that way. So yeah, absolutely, and there's lots as well 477 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,400 in Edinburgh. When it comes to the more. 478 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 4: The darker side of history. 479 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 2: There's a lot in Edinburgh, isn't there in terms of 480 00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:15,279 places to go and places to investigates? 481 00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 4: How exciting? 482 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, you got anywhere closer to him? That's on your 483 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,400 boocket list to go or you've. 484 00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 5: You've it's actually an hour of flight, is there? 485 00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 4: Really? I didn't realize it was exactly. 486 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:42,279 Speaker 9: It's my geography, doesn't it far off? You know, because 487 00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:44,559 most of my friends are in America, and of course 488 00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:48,279 that's a very very long way way. 489 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 3: I kind of forget that we're very close to each other. Yeah, 490 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,519 so you sort of like, yeah, so do you not 491 00:30:57,599 --> 00:30:59,680 have anywhere ane like me? 492 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 4: You in Europe? 493 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 3: That's particularly because I was today because you know, everybody 494 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,119 always says like Scotland and London and Paris and you know, 495 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,519 and you know, and I just wonder I was thinking 496 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:16,319 about the other day, is like, aside from the Paris Catacombs. 497 00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:17,759 Speaker 4: Is there actually anywhere in Europe is. 498 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,559 Speaker 3: Notorious you know, sort of Western Europe it's notorious for 499 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:23,160 for haunting. 500 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 5: Because I was a lot of Second World War bunkers. 501 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 7: So yeah, actually the wrong building and then stay there's a. 502 00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:48,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, really sort of World War Two, because I 503 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:51,720 was going to say love he's yeah, I don't know. 504 00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:53,559 I never really I meant to look it up and 505 00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:58,240 see what other locations were around that sort of, you know, 506 00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:00,599 they weren't the classic ones that would be interesting to 507 00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:04,799 go to. But everyone seems to want to go to Scotland, 508 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:08,799 which is no bad thing. I mean, Scotland's full of 509 00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:11,720 spirits and things anyway, I think everybody. 510 00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 4: I think they all moved up to Scotland. 511 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:21,519 Speaker 3: Actually, to be fair. 512 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:23,079 Speaker 10: They're still very superstitious or there anyway, so I suppose 513 00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:25,200 it's more welcoming for them in a way because they've 514 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,480 got all the other different spirits and fame things, and 515 00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:28,599 I think everything's. 516 00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:31,599 Speaker 4: Just moved up north. It's like you were open down here. 517 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 3: So although everything's gone up to the mountains, and. 518 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:41,279 Speaker 2: The folklore in Scotland, in the Celts, the folklore is 519 00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:45,759 so steeped in even if you were to take it 520 00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:49,279 from the perspective of we speak therefore, it is the 521 00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:52,519 history of folklore and even the Celtic routes in the 522 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:58,200 old ways of working, they're very deeply seated in Scotland, 523 00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:02,200 in Ireland and in Wow. So I think that also 524 00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:07,160 gives it a real undercurrent of like an amplifier for 525 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,880 paranormal and otherness. I think that's my opinion. But yeah, 526 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,559 there always seems and also like Edinburgh Castles, stunned. 527 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 3: In it m beautiful the outside seeing the outside well 528 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,759 one day, hopefully this year you'll be seeing the inside 529 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:25,119 as well. 530 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,839 Speaker 4: And then if you run out, we all know. 531 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,599 Speaker 5: Running outside inside. 532 00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 4: There's in it. 533 00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:38,079 Speaker 7: Yeah, but I do have a backup plan because I'm 534 00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:41,839 in contact with the German team and they live not 535 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,039 far from here I live. 536 00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 6: I live near the German border. 537 00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 7: It's about ten minutes from here and within an hour 538 00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:53,680 I will be at his place. 539 00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 6: And he investigates castles in Germany. 540 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 7: So wow as well, and I still get a guest 541 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,679 the invitation open and uh, this week he did send 542 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,320 me a message happy New Year and where do we live? 543 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,599 Speaker 6: So I told him. 544 00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:20,679 Speaker 7: And in German me of all persons, but he said, 545 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,599 I'm not that far from you. 546 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:28,639 Speaker 6: So I told him we will arrange the year that 547 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,000 we come and visit you. 548 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 7: That amazing yes, and uh, if it clicks, we will 549 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:44,760 be guest investigators during one episode of them, because uh 550 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:52,920 they are on TV. Yes, I love I love the experience, Yes, 551 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,320 but do what they fake and if I can debunk them, 552 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,440 and yeah. 553 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 5: It'll be cool. 554 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely very cool. 555 00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, I have and. 556 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 4: I think as well. 557 00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 2: I think I think it's fair to say my gripe 558 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,480 isn't TV paranoral researchers is the ones that are fake it. 559 00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:17,000 But to be fair, like you said, it's I think 560 00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:20,679 it's nice to also have that being able to collab 561 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:23,320 with different teams as well, because like you said in 562 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,719 that episode, you'd be able to bring your own unique 563 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,800 way of working, which will challenge and if you're demonstrating 564 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,679 that your role modeling it, you're showing that twelve people 565 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,119 you're teaching a new skill when it comes to the paranormal. 566 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,079 We need more of that, so that that's fantastic. One 567 00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:41,599 thing I was thinking when you were talking about and 568 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,400 connecting it with Natalie talking about friends that are in 569 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,960 America paranormal researchers. One thing we do take for granted 570 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,159 is the amount of castles we have in Europe. In 571 00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:56,760 America there's no castles whatsoever. So the amount of castles 572 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,920 we have here, we're quite luckily we have access to 573 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,519 one that's in Essex, and we do quite a lot there. 574 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,760 It's linked to the witch trials that happened in the 575 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:13,079 UK with the witch finder General Boo Hiss. He's heavily 576 00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:17,159 linked to this particular castle as well. So I think 577 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,400 we're quite fortunate. 578 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 3: In Europe to have that that the opportunity to have 579 00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:26,760 locations like castles, whereas in America they have none. 580 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,039 Speaker 4: They have a lot of serial killers though, So. 581 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,559 Speaker 6: But to be honest, you had the most famous one. 582 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,039 Speaker 4: Oh ah, Jack the Ripper. 583 00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:47,599 Speaker 3: Yeah fairs okay, yeah, I want dispute that, which also, 584 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,719 to be fair, I still find that that case is 585 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,079 obviously fascinating. 586 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 2: But the amount of people that are identifying him, there's 587 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,519 a lot of people that do use him as case studies, 588 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,440 and I find that quite interesting. Two different people with 589 00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:06,639 interviewed recently over the years. Is the one the gentleman 590 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,280 who was able to allegedly name Jack the Ripper through 591 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,719 DNA testing, and then alternatively we interviewed a ex Scotland 592 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,000 yard detective who absolutely blew that fury out of the water. 593 00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:22,559 So even today that's so relevant. Okay, but yeah, you 594 00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:29,599 are correct, he is the most famous one. Yeah yeah, okay, 595 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:37,320 Well I'll take that one, okay. 596 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,599 Speaker 4: So the serial killers. Now it seems like all roads 597 00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:45,519 do lead back to serial killers. Recently, most of our podcasts. 598 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 2: Go back to it, so I'm trying to shift it 599 00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:51,559 quite quickly. But yeah, so with the what we were 600 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:53,360 in the new year, and we've obviously got lots of 601 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,119 new plans. Everyone's got plans for their paranormal team. What 602 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,880 kind of things have you got coming up? What are 603 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,199 you looking forward to the most other than Germany and Scotland? 604 00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:04,599 Speaker 6: Our podcast? 605 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,119 Speaker 2: Oh yes, are you saying? Okay? Fantastic? Just tell us 606 00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:11,199 a little bit about your podcast. 607 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:12,679 Speaker 6: Yeah. 608 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 7: We started in septemb and I had a brainstorm together 609 00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:26,719 with Vivian Bowell and I thought I didn't have the 610 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:32,039 nurse to do it, so we started on TikTok and 611 00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:34,320 I need yeah, I need. 612 00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:35,119 Speaker 6: To say I love it. 613 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 7: I like it a lot and the people I approach 614 00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:45,599 are so open and so willing to participate. So yeah, 615 00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:50,280 we have a few nice guests are coming on this month, 616 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,079 so I'm looking forward to it. 617 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 3: No, it's funny, isn't it, Because it's like I'm really 618 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,079 shy and it's it's like when I saw it on 619 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,599 Kerry on Facebook last year and she's like, oh, I 620 00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:08,239 need someone to do a podcast with, and I was 621 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,800 just like, should I should? 622 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,039 Speaker 4: I should? I should? I? 623 00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 3: But like you say, once you actually start doing it, 624 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,719 it gets a momentum and you get to talk to 625 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,000 some pretty cool people as well. So it's like, you know, 626 00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:22,360 it's because I was like, well, I could probably yack 627 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,679 about the paranormal all day long. 628 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 4: Anyway. Yeah, that is great, glad you're enjoying it. 629 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, and various topics. We had Mike Ripsac guy. That's 630 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,239 one that I was really nervous about. 631 00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was quite interested in. I read his book 632 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,039 on shadow people. I find out very interesting. I keep 633 00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:50,400 meaning to read this is he. 634 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,599 Speaker 4: Is he near? Or one about portals or something. I think, yeah, 635 00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:59,599 one of the triangle in where is the triangle the study? 636 00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:01,360 It's not the Bermuda one, is it? 637 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 3: No, that's it Alaska. I was thinking Siberia, but cold place. 638 00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:11,639 Speaker 4: Yes, that was it. Eh, that's interesting, So yeah, I 639 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,599 know what's. 640 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:14,159 Speaker 5: Yeah. 641 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:15,519 Speaker 6: Yeah. 642 00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 7: For the last if I send a message, most of 643 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,519 them reply with of course, Mary, of course, let's set 644 00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:29,480 the date and we're looking at atas. 645 00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:36,599 Speaker 5: Usually I get a message, write it down in your agenda. 646 00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:38,400 We have an interview with this, this, and this that 647 00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:40,440 that date. I'm like, all right, all. 648 00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 4: I think that is my Mary. I was going to say, 649 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:46,320 I need. 650 00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 3: To start giving you dates instead of giving you with 651 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,480 voice because carries a bit adhd so her idea of 652 00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:54,679 time and date is. 653 00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:58,199 Speaker 4: Worse the mind. And I want to do it. What 654 00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,000 day do you want? 655 00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 3: And then like five messages in three weeks later, So wait, 656 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,760 perhaps I should take a leap out of. 657 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,760 Speaker 4: Your book and b ceo I will. I was like, 658 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,880 this is the day, this is the time, write it down. 659 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 7: Yes, I agree, it's so I decided. For the American 660 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,760 folks we picked the Saturday because it's convenient for them, 661 00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:28,760 and for the Dutch folks we take the Thursday. 662 00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:39,119 Speaker 6: But we have some exceptions, like next week mister. 663 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:45,519 Speaker 7: Omar from the Omar House omen House, David omen It 664 00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:50,559 was available on Thursday, so we dropped him in on Thursday, 665 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,360 and uh a few more were available on Thursday. So 666 00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:01,559 most of the time it's Thursday or Saturday. So it's 667 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,519 just the name and the time. And I sent to 668 00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:12,039 him and some people ask, don't you have to ask him? No, 669 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:12,880 I'm telling it. 670 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:20,559 Speaker 4: Natally'd be more like, Mary need to stop people like people. 671 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 3: My Yes, I mean, did you marry for hints and 672 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:37,519 tips on her manage? 673 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 6: Get some manager's skills. 674 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,320 Speaker 7: If you want people to let's do something, you don't 675 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,280 give them a choice to bring it like you give 676 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,639 them a choice, but you don't give them a choice, 677 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,440 so you don't have the ability to say yes or no. 678 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,320 Just okay, I like that. 679 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:06,559 Speaker 4: You up for that? Carry Yeah, we're. 680 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,519 Speaker 3: Super organization, will we? 681 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:12,679 Speaker 4: Yeah? 682 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Well, thank you for sharing your tips. You've probably 683 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,880 made Natalie's and then my life so much easier for 684 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,119 this year. We will update you this time next year 685 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,840 to let you know how we've got on. 686 00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 4: You. Yeah. 687 00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:35,559 Speaker 3: Absolutely around your podcast review, because yeah, will be is 688 00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:36,599 it two years? 689 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 4: Yes? And then yeah? 690 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 3: I think so it's like we could have an annual 691 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,239 review this time next year and see how we're doing. 692 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,519 Speaker 4: Sounds perfect. 693 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 2: So one thing that me and Natalie do do is 694 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,440 that we both have very different interests when it comes 695 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,199 to the paranormal. So I've got to speak to some 696 00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:01,480 really fascinating people that do a lot with like folklore 697 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,679 and equestining. Is that correct that the if I've pronounced 698 00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:07,880 that there's some questionine healing. 699 00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:13,559 Speaker 3: We had an a horse healer guy on who is 700 00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:17,719 fascinating because I've got horses, and my horses are always 701 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,440 very sort of psychic at the risk is sounding crazy, 702 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,639 and so he was really fascinating to talk to about 703 00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:28,039 how he approaches healing and the horses themselves and everything, 704 00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:32,320 and you know how their consciousness is different to people's. 705 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,960 And yeah, it was it was quite I really enjoyed 706 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,599 that one. It was a cue, absolutely. 707 00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 2: And I think the people that I've kind of chosen 708 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,840 or I've approached have been a little bit more psychology 709 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,280 based or motive based or human behavior based, So I 710 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,599 think the two together, I've actually been able to learn 711 00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:53,320 a lot more about what I thought I knew by 712 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,519 having the conversations with guests that Natally have brought in 713 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,639 and we both got our favorites. Every guests have been fantastic, 714 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,320 but we've all got something different. So has there been 715 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,719 topics for even one of you that you're really I mean, 716 00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:11,000 I'm really interested in human psychology and false collective memory. 717 00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:15,199 So any opportunity I've got, I would discuss that. Chris French, 718 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,159 I've managed to have a conversation we feel about it 719 00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:20,400 was fantastic. But for you guys, is there a subject 720 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,800 that you're quite passionate about. When it comes to paranormal 721 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,039 research that differs from one another. 722 00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 5: To me, there's I like all subjects, there's no difference 723 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,960 for me, and there's no favorite because I think for 724 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,360 everybody does his investigation in a different way. It makes 725 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,079 me think when people say I do it like this 726 00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:47,480 and this, and I'm like, can think about that? So 727 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:55,079 I learned from it. There's not a favorite for me personally. 728 00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:00,880 I like every conversation I have, yeah, being there, But 729 00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:03,880 for me, I like everything. I think everything's interesting. 730 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 3: It's a curiosity about the world in general rather than 731 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,920 a specific Yeah. It's a good way of being I 732 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,360 have to make I'm really nosy about pretty much everything, 733 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,119 so I think you. 734 00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 4: Learn a lot that way. I have conversations with people 735 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,000 about all sorts of random stuff. 736 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 3: When it worked on the bar, I had a conversation 737 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,039 from about stamp collecting, and then the next day somebody 738 00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:27,159 worked at zoo and they were telling me about all, 739 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,800 you know, the research to be doing at the zoo, 740 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,000 and I was like, wow, you know, and it's like 741 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,159 it's amazing what people are interested in. 742 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, but what's about you? Mary? 743 00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:44,280 Speaker 7: Then if you my interests is very broad. I've done 744 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:50,320 a lot of education. I'm a fat assistant because I 745 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,519 thought that I would like it, but I don't. 746 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:59,079 Speaker 6: I don't like gods and animals who live. Yeah, yeah, 747 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:05,079 that wasn't my thing. I'm a hairdresser. I'm an artist. 748 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,199 Speaker 7: And if you go to the paranormal, I like reiche, 749 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:16,920 I like the psychology. I like to talk about energies, 750 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:23,440 how the brain works. Yeah, give me something and I'd 751 00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:27,159 jump into it at it. 752 00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:30,599 Speaker 2: So tell me a little bit about the energy and 753 00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:32,280 the way the brain works, just a little bit of 754 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,639 a I know, obviously, I'm sure that's a massive subject. 755 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,079 So if if it was suggest to dip at home 756 00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:40,760 into that, what would it wo be your kind of 757 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,320 your opener for for looking at that a bit more? 758 00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, in your memory, the front or part of your brain. 759 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,320 Speaker 6: Each part has a part of memory. 760 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,760 Speaker 7: So for example, if you have a chair, you have 761 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,400 so many different sky of chairs and to be able 762 00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:06,360 to recognize it, it put into different places. 763 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,920 Speaker 6: So experience in life is the same. 764 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,920 Speaker 7: So if you have a blue chair, it's here, for example, 765 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,599 and a green chair is there, and an antique chair 766 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,440 is here, so you can grab to those informations, and 767 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:29,760 it's the same with emotions. Every part of the brain 768 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:35,920 sends out signals for different emotions, and the catch for 769 00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:42,440 me is to master my own emotions and if I 770 00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:47,159 come into a situation, I can choose how I react. 771 00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:57,559 Speaker 6: So you can master also your flight, fight or please mechanisma. 772 00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:03,679 Speaker 7: You feel it, you master it, and every part of 773 00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,960 your brain is involved. 774 00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:11,159 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, thank you for sharing that. I find 775 00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:15,360 that quite interesting, the neuro neurological makeup of everything, especially 776 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,119 when we work with the paranormal. As you say, if 777 00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:21,360 we are in an experience that resonates with an experience 778 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,519 we've already had, we might have all those natural responses 779 00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:27,559 in the body that relate to it, although the actual 780 00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:29,840 component might be missing, it's just the memory of it 781 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,079 that can create that response. Okay, thank you so much 782 00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:36,679 for sharing. I appreciate that we're coming to the end 783 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,400 of our show. I think the most important part. We 784 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,960 obviously love talking to you, but knowing where people can 785 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,559 find you and what you've got coming up. So yeah, 786 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:49,079 so where would we be able to find your podcasts 787 00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:52,320 and what kind of podcasts have what podcasts have you 788 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:58,320 got booked up coming in the next couple of months. 789 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,239 Speaker 7: We are on TikTok Thanks Netherlands, and we have a 790 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:09,159 second account, Things Netherlands Guests. Every podcast we put on 791 00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:12,000 the Guests so people can watch it back. 792 00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:17,280 Speaker 6: It's in part from Maximum an Hour. We have. 793 00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:23,639 Speaker 7: Next Saturday an interesting talk with Tony and Deborah Pigman 794 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:30,840 about the Sally House. It's very interesting. Next week we 795 00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:38,079 will be talking about Tarrold, the kiboy that human design, 796 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,679 so it's a completely different topic. And the week after 797 00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,400 that we have to David Owen House and we talked 798 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:52,280 to David Oman about his book and yeah, everything he 799 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:58,199 experienced on daily basis. And end of the month we 800 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,960 have a Dutch guy who talks about EVPs. 801 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:03,480 Speaker 6: He is. 802 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:10,719 Speaker 7: Almost every day catching voices from the other side and he. 803 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:11,920 Speaker 6: Made this job out of it. 804 00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:15,559 Speaker 7: And the week after that, if I'm correct, we have 805 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:17,800 money soon. 806 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,960 Speaker 6: So the paranormal. 807 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:25,599 Speaker 7: Drags, so we jump all over in the paranormal and whatever. 808 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:31,519 And we have a Facebook group Things in the Netherlands 809 00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:35,679 and cooperation with the Ravens, and we have a light 810 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,679 Paige Things in the Netherlands perfect. 811 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:40,000 Speaker 4: Thank you. 812 00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:44,039 Speaker 2: I'll make sure I share them onto our platforms as well. 813 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:45,280 Speaker 4: Thank you. 814 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,159 Speaker 2: So I do have a question about the Sally House. 815 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,159 It's been a long time since I've heard about Sally House. 816 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,639 Is there still paranormal activity there? 817 00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:01,199 Speaker 7: Yes, there are still phenormal activity there. Last year during 818 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:05,519 an investigation, Steve Shippy had a case in the area 819 00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,440 of the Seally House and he went into a small 820 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,119 investigation in the Cellly House and he captured some EVPs 821 00:52:13,159 --> 00:52:19,159 and some evidence from actual housing. And if I'm correct, 822 00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:23,000 the Pigments do tours as well. You can book them 823 00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:28,400 I think once a month on Saturdays and they do 824 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,480 a tour wait too. 825 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,440 Speaker 6: And tell you everything about the history. 826 00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:38,079 Speaker 7: And they are quite open at this point to talk 827 00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:41,840 to people in Europe because not everyone knows it the 828 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,760 Sally House here in the Netherlands. We have seen it 829 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:51,519 on teav with ghosts that ventured. Well, I didn't like 830 00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:58,599 it with Steve Shippy in housing in the Heartlands and 831 00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:05,440 the haunting was it I think the small. 832 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,760 Speaker 5: Witness, yeah, parnormal witness and the haunted. 833 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,679 Speaker 7: Yeah, there was in the nineties somewhere. So most the 834 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,079 gators here in the Netherlands don't even know about the 835 00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:21,960 selling out. That's why we like it. 836 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:28,880 Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, shall you he'd just be as an aside. 837 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,800 Because you've also got ur Raven's Paranormal group, haven't you 838 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:32,719 on Facebook? 839 00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:36,920 Speaker 4: I think? Are you still doing your paranormal video reviews? 840 00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 5: I am starting it this year again. 841 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:46,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I was really I like watching those. I 842 00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:48,960 was quite sad when you seem to stop and when 843 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,480 you went very well and very well, and I was 844 00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:52,920 just like. 845 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,400 Speaker 7: No, you're gone. 846 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,559 Speaker 5: I have a guilty one. And she is being interviewed 847 00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:01,760 right now as well. She made it too busy for me. 848 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,599 I said, well, this year, I'm not going to do 849 00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:08,800 it anymore because we're do busy. We're doing the interviews 850 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,440 for the podcasts, and starting next year twenty twenty five, 851 00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:15,039 we're going to make take it a lot easier with 852 00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:17,480 the podcast so I can make some more time on 853 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,239 my review. So they're going to come again. 854 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,719 Speaker 3: Oh that's good, that's good. 855 00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:24,679 Speaker 4: It was what was it? 856 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,719 Speaker 3: I can't never remember which way round you call it? 857 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,440 Is it Raveson's paranormal review? 858 00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:29,960 Speaker 5: Yeah? 859 00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:35,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, keep an eye everyone for that. Yeah. Absolutely, we'll 860 00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:37,000 share it onto our pages as well. 861 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:38,000 Speaker 6: Yes, thank you. 862 00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:41,440 Speaker 5: I need to shop as well, so. 863 00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:45,639 Speaker 4: Perfect even more so we'll share it out. 864 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:47,719 Speaker 5: Very much. 865 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,480 Speaker 4: Thank you, well, thank you, so much. 866 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,519 Speaker 2: Un listen, Lalie, if you've got any more questions where 867 00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:55,719 I just cut you off, I was going to. 868 00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:00,719 Speaker 4: Say not in the two minutes to be fair. 869 00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:04,519 Speaker 2: Well, thank you both so much for joining us, and 870 00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:07,000 thank you for talking with us. We really appreciate it. 871 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,960 We wish you all the best for your coming podcast 872 00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:12,360 as well, and we hope that we get to see 873 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,920 you in Edinburgh. Absolutely that would be amazing. Thank you, 874 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,039 thank you so much for joining us, Thank you very much, 875 00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:23,760 thank you. So we're going to say good night, thank 876 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,039 you for listening, and we will see you next time.