Speaker 1: Hi, this is Bobby Brown and welcome to another fucking podcast.
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People today have attention spans that can only be measured
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especially my loyal minions.
Speaker 2: It is good to see you. It is always good
to be seeing. I'm Azzie Presley. This is another f
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haven't had a guest on in a while, and like
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This is my very last Michelob Golden Light. As you
all know, especially you patreon folks, that I was in
Minnesota over the weekend of Mother's Day and Uh played
a gig at the Red Carpet, hosted the Press Bar
Reunion show at the Red Carpet. It's a good time,
great to see everybody. Fun travels and as you all know,
I nearly died on the way home, but brought myself
a case of michelob Golden Light and one bottle. One bottle,
So I'm going to open this. I'm going to enjoy
this like a man should enjoy his favorite beer. Oh God, damn,
that's delicious. You heard the ten bells at the top
of the show. Of course, we lost George went just
last week. If you go to the Patreon, there's a
whole show dedicated to George Went. Now, I was playing
some tunes too, you know, you gotta play some tunes,
and did a really fun show. And that's one of
the fun things about the Patreon is because it's not public,
I bust some music out here and then and there.
Why not until they tell me I can't, I'm gonna
do it. We have dating tips with porn stars coming
up in just a little bit with Mistress Mistress U
hold on. Mistress Ala Ala, the goddess Goddess Aila. She
has a bunch of different names. But she's hot, so
listen to her boys. But yeah, I did a big,
big remembrance of George Went and I told the whole
story about how I met him and that that was
a fun night. I didn't get to hang with them.
It was just one of those we were I was
working for a band and we were at october Fest
in Wisconsin. Trying to think of the name of the town.
It's a big party town. Well I know it's Wisconsin.
That doesn't nail it down. But yeah, I just spent
a couple of minutes with him, said Hi, I took
a picture. Should have bought his book. I did not
buy his book because I am also a Cretinus humanoid.
And yeah, you know, we told that's story. Then we
remembered a little bit of cheers and played every entrance
to the bar on cheers to close the show. Get
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See you get fun shit like you know, tales from
the sea cruise stories, because as you all know, I'm
a host on the Monsters of Rock Cruise cruise at
the Edge on the Blue Cruise, which used to be
called the Moody Blues Cruise. You know, we did the
Deaf Leopard Cruise. I host karaoke, but I'm also one
of the hosts as well, get to introduce bands, get
to do announcements and all that kind of fun stuff.
So lots of fun stories on there. And that's only
for the Patreon folks. Get on there. It's only five bucks.
I'm gonna shut up about the Patreon. I just want
you all to go there. And we remembered Sabu at
the top of the show with the ten bell salute.
Of course, that is absolutely more fitting because you know,
that's a rassle end thing. And I did not know Sabo.
I met him once at Counts of Vamped when Fozzy
was playing. He was nice enough to take a picture
with me and I didn't even ask him. He just
immediately did this, which is what Sabo did. And definitely
huge force in the history of professional wrestling, especially on
the indie circuit and e c W and yeah, he
had his he had his time in the WWF as well, WWE.
Definitely an innovator, definitely an innovator he was. He was
super nice to me. It was another quick little hey,
how you doing. Nice to meet you sometimes it's good
to be in v I p ooh and uh. I
think the last episode we talked about and that was
the last public episode we talked about VAMPED closing, very
very sad about that. Had a couple of nights at VAMPED.
I I mean, shit, shit's tight. I shouldn't be going out,
but you know, you got your friends playing for the
very last time at VAMPED. You have to stop down.
So when it saw Todd Kerns, who was a former
guest on this show and also went to see LVDC
featuring an act family member Keith Robert, wore who's going
to be on this show very very soon. He h
he has deaf, not def leopard, but twisted sister ties.
He's also a fellow kiss tard of course and h
New YORKA. He's got stories and we are going to
dive into those stories. That's gonna blow some of your
fucking minds. He's the man, Keith Robert where he's vague,
he's basically Vegas as that's basically what he is. So yeah,
that's uh, that's what's been going on this weekend coming
up this Sunday and Friday, Saturday and Sunday, of next
week May thirty first, the first of June, the second
of June, I'm hosting the Las Vegas Guitar Trade Show.
So if you are coming to town or are you
in town, you are in town, come on down, go
to Las Vegas Guitar Trade Show dot com. Get your
tickets ahead of time, and of course I believe it's cheaper.
And if you want to get the VIP, that's smart
because you can go all three days. Come goes you please.
They can come to the shows. Friday night we have
two great bands, the Bones and one other band. And
then Saturday, I'm hosting say I'm hosting this whole thing.
I'm gonna be walking around with the microphone doing announcements.
YadA YadA, YadA, yadya. I'm the face of it. What
a pretty face it is. And then Saturday is the
Rock Gods Hall of Fame that I'm hosting a word
show style. It's going to be a blast shot. Scott
Schneider great is going in and a bunch of other
folks that I don't have to listen in front of me.
I should have done that ahead of time, but you
know me, and planning, you know me, and shill prep.
I'm as prepped as they come not. So that's what's
been going on, folks. We have actually do have a
guest this evening and he's going to be joining very
very shortly. His name, he's been on the show before.
If you guys saw the Blues Brothers or listen to
the Blues Brothers episode, Tim Mangi, owner's at Mangioni. I
guess we're gonna find out the hard way. He's gonna
be coming on. Tim is a fellow Kiss TRD and
he's also a OJ trial historian, and we are going
to dive into that OJ trial and what he knows
and his fascination with it, and then of course dive
into our kiss hardness because I really as I was
on the shitter before U before I hit record on
this some bitch speaking of some bitch they hid in
the sub bitch he's back there, goddamn some bitch and
uh oh shit. Also, I'll put the video up in
the in the show before we go to before we
go to dating Tips with porn Stars, my good friend
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we can actually see what she looks like. And now
maybe we can find out who the fuck she is
because she needs to know me. I need to know her.
We need to be in each other's life. She would
dig me, just like Abbie Gibson would dig me. I mean,
who wouldn't dig me? Come on? Anyways, enough of this
mutual Hello, how you ben? Good bullshit? Make sure you
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we're gonna find out talking oj and kiss It is
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back to another f and podcast with Izzy Presley.
Speaker 2: All right, we are back. That was Dating Tips with
porn Stars with goddess Ala Jane. You can find her
on the Twitter and all that kind of stuff the Instagram.
She said it in the video. You guys know that,
ladies and gentlemen, my good friend, hold on, is it
mangion or MANGIONI. I don't know actually, you know, Uh,
the reason I asked is because whatever Luigi says, you
know what, because you know, I'm fucking uh shout out loudcast.
They say your name, they say Mangioni, and I look
at I just think it's Mangione.
Speaker 6: So I've been called both. I've been and I've been
called worse.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, fucking a there you go.
Speaker 6: Did you hear what they said about me this week?
Is that why he mentioned that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh he yeah. Right. Well,
you know, I mean, we know you're coming right now
from either your tent outside of the Starbucks that Paul
goes to or his driveway. So we're gonna get into
all of that. And of course you are a OJ
trial expert, and we're gonna dive into that. But we
are both fellow kiss trds, and I say that proudly.
Speaker 6: And Kiss nerds. There's kiss tards and nerds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a tard, I'll admit it. I mean, I'm
a tird without the money. There you go. But today's
a very special day in my kisstory. Today May thirtieth,
nineteen ninety, thirty five years ago. Tonight I was watching
Kiss for the very first time, met Center, Hot in
the Shade tour and uh Slaughter Faster Pussy Cabra opening.
So this is a very special day for me. And
you said, no, that was your first tour, first Kiss
tour as well.
Speaker 7: Yeah, June thirtieth, nineteen ninety Meadlands. But I didn't get
Fast and Buzzy. I got fucking Little Caesar.
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, damn it, that's too bad.
Speaker 7: And then you remember when they came back and closed
the whole tour at the Garden November ninth, Eric Carr's
last show, Frank Chris Jericho's birthday, and oh Winger came
on the bill.
Speaker 2: I didn't get to see Winger until fuck early two thousands,
thank you. Oh no, I take that back. I saw
him and I saw Minneapolis on the It was them
and Mister Big and Mister BIG's first tour pretty fucking
wild stuff. What do you remember about that show?
Speaker 7: Well, I remember, you know, from day one. I'm like,
I gotta go, I gotta go. I had an older
brother who got me into them, five years older, and
he got out of him with the no makeup. I
actually remember giving him look it up. He threw it
at me and goes not wearing makeup. And then I
was actually growing up a diehard Leopard fan. And then
when Rick Allen lost his arm that two years, Kiss
got me and then I really sunk in on Crazy
Night's Tour, which is my favorite non makeup album, you know,
because it's the Kiss s bon Jovie album. And then
my brother got back into him because one of his buddies.
And in December they played the Meadowlands at on the
Crazy Night's tour. My mother wouldn't let me go, and
then my brother goes, next time they come, I'll take you.
And then they did the Ritz in the City before
the Monster the Rock where they brought back everything. I'm
gonna go and he's like, you gotta be sixteen to
get in, and I couldn't go. Oh. And then the
following year Paul did the solo tour.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm coming. He's like, gotta be sixteen to
get in, and.
Speaker 7: Then they announced, then they announced it was only sixteen,
and then Hot in the Shade came around.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm going, I'm going.
Speaker 7: Then got the permission and great story too. It was
Memorial Day weekend, which is actually now and in Jersey
that's like God because of you know, Jersey Shore and everything.
And my brother is the complete opposite of me, like,
you know, no party, no nothing, you know, YadA.
Speaker 6: YadA, YadA.
Speaker 7: So he was down the shore and the tickets went
on sale and he's calling from a payphone.
Speaker 6: So he calls me and he's like, you're going to
see Kiss.
Speaker 7: And back in the day when you got tickets off
the phone from Ticketmaster, they didn't tell you where.
Speaker 6: They were, and I go, where are they?
Speaker 7: It was poor and Rainy's putting quarters in the phone
getting a business single.
Speaker 6: I go where we sit and he goes, fuck you
when he hung up. And then so by the time
they came, you know, it was great.
Speaker 7: No Internet, but being a Kiss fan still found out
herd day opened, but I stole Your Love, which my
second favorite song.
Speaker 6: My brother, who hates kiss now is still that's his
favorite song.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: Everything started circulating and I got the Detroit boot like
pro shot, so like that was my new animalized live
uncensored Wow. And then they announced they were doing Middletown,
New York June seventeenth, and my brother wouldn't take me.
Speaker 6: Then he went to Allentown, then he went to Philly.
Speaker 7: He went so them five times, and they finally came
to the Meadowlands and we were the first ones online
at the merch stand.
Speaker 6: I saved all my money all summer. I go up there.
I want this one, with this one with this guy,
goes bro slow down. You know. So they came out,
and also this is a.
Speaker 7: Fun fact, there were rumors Frixter was roaming around the building,
you know. So they came out of the Sphinx and
I was shaken. My brother's one friend goes, is your
brother right? Is he having a sea shirt?
Speaker 6: Goes no, he does that everything in the living room.
Speaker 2: You know, did you cry?
Speaker 6: I shake it.
Speaker 7: I knew, I knew the setlist and everything, but like
and I was upper deck, butok, front row you know,
like but like it was like I was in the
building with them, it mattered, and you know they brought
all the old ship back. Their look was so cool,
you know, Paul with the Nikes on and fun fact too,
you know as Paul was using less Paul that tour.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because he didn't have an endorsement, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Oh that's why, that's why. Yeah, yeah, I remember
when they you know, they came out down. I see,
now I didn't see any set lists. I wasn't you know,
I yeah, pre internet, but I wouldn't have known how
to find out a fucking set list, you know, Like
I found.
Speaker 7: Out my brother and I got that Detroit video because
there was this place on Seaside Heights the Jersey shore
Boardwalk called Rainbow Rocketorium.
Speaker 6: This guy had every bootleg possible like this that Jeane
used to call him and YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 7: So like every time my brother went down the shore,
bring me home a bootleg this that and first time
was Houston seventy seven, Largo seventy nine, yep. And then
I just had exposed and animalized liven censored and then
hot hot in the shade. The Detroit one came and
which still sounds weird that base on it, but still
it was the come out of that sphinx.
Speaker 6: I'm shaking the only thing.
Speaker 7: I'm like, my first fucking tour, they don't fucking do
the intro You want the best, you got the best?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: I noticed that. I didn't. I didn't even now that
you say that. I was because I was watching Detroit
nineteen ninety that you're talking about, like before we came on,
and of course right before it was during locking up
Paul's fucking stage rap. Jesus Christ, you always have a
place to sit.
Speaker 6: Yeh, No, mister Stanley, my friends call me Paul.
Speaker 2: But I didn't hear it. I didn't hear you wanted
the best, you got the best. And I'm like, oh,
maybe it just was muted out of the video for
some fucking reason. And I don't even remember. I didn't
remember that that they didn't say that. So now that
you say that, it makes sense.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't actually hear the intro till Detroit ninety
six opening night with the makeup because then revenge.
Speaker 2: They didn't and he did not revenge either.
Speaker 6: No, they just opened up with creatures with the statue.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that's right, because it's they don't. They don't
say it on a lot, but they say it on
a Live three, don't.
Speaker 6: They absolutely not Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: Okay, so maybe I'm not a kiss start.
Speaker 6: And and fucking hot Nochede.
Speaker 7: That should have been kiss Alive three or actually animized
live on Censor it should have been.
Speaker 6: But you know hot the sade was perfect, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, like you said, it was like they brought
back all the old stuff.
Speaker 7: And say what you want about the album. You know,
there's three songs too many of the production, but like
there's some great stuff on.
Speaker 2: There, No, there is, there is, but there's some not
so great stuff too, you know.
Speaker 7: Read my Body a ka or some Sugar on Me,
had lack dreams and Boomerang terrible cut them out, you know,
you know set give a Street taken away?
Speaker 6: Who wrote that with Gen?
Speaker 2: Uh fuck? I don't know Tom. Oh shit, oh shit,
oh ship. When did you get into When did you
get into kiss?
Speaker 6: You said, you know, well I liked him, you know
with you know, lick it Up. Heaven's on Fire. Remember
back in the day the cassettes, you wouldn't listen to it.
You just listened to hit some fast sword.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then and then Crazy Nights came out, and
that's when, you know, fucking hysteria just came out. But
I'm like, fuck these guys, and you know, Paul got
me and again I'm a diehard Jovie fan. And some
keyboards and you know.
Speaker 2: See, I still think Asylum is the best non makeup record. Actually,
Asylum is in my top five.
Speaker 7: A lot of people say that, and it's been making
the ways like you you.
Speaker 2: Know why, I've been saying that, and I convinced Trunk
and now Trunk is convinced and now everybody's falling in.
Now we just have to make that happen with Peter.
Speaker 7: So there's something like something the sound or something is off,
but you know it's got you know, who wants to
be lonely as a top ten kiss song? You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well look, my thing with the Asylum is it's
top to bottom. There's old clunkers, like you know, I mean,
look it up. It's got some great songs, but it's
got a couple of clunkers. Animalized has a couple of clunkers,
a lot of clunkers. I don't think so, I don't
think that I think there's only two that aren't great.
Like the last two songs are like nah, but you
know I love Burn bitch Burn. Everybody rips on burn
bitch Burn. It's like, I think it's fucking awesome. No
turn it the other way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I love all that no makeup.
Speaker 2: So yeah, oh it's fucking great. It's fucking great. Like
I remember, I went to get a side or get
get crazy. It's better on the side ease, and you
don't have the it's.
Speaker 6: A full.
Speaker 2: Landscape, right and now you're gone gone yep, really yeah,
I mean you look better.
Speaker 6: I see you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see you. I just it's just says
Tim with the radio. There we go, there you are
all right, there it goes. Yeah, it's better like that
because then you don't have the you don't have the
Walmart you know, Black Friday horizontal view. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: But another fun fact about hot and the shade too.
You know, and my brother he like faded out, then
got me back into him, and then uh faded out
with revenge. Plus he went to college, so he's too
cool for that. And then you know, now he just
can't stand him because of me just beating the hell
out of him into him.
Speaker 6: So so, but.
Speaker 7: He he went to Paul Solo tour and it was
at this place called.
Speaker 6: The Ritz, which there was two rits.
Speaker 7: The first one was Webster Hall, and then the second
one was on fifty fourth Street, and that.
Speaker 2: Was so that the second one, that's the GNR one.
Speaker 6: What year was that, No, that's that's the first one.
That's Webster Hall. And then and then the second one
was on fifty fourth Street, which was the old Studio four.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: And so when they did Paul.
Speaker 7: Solo tour, you know, my they wouldn't go on till
like two in the morning in the city back in
the day, just you know, for the booze factor this that.
Speaker 6: So my brother and his friends they'd wait online. Three
people would just wait.
Speaker 7: Online and then they'd walk around, you know, drinking forties
whatever because New York didn't care back then. So my
brother comes home at like five in the morning. I
was like, I can't wait to get my shirt. And
he's I'm like, how was it?
Speaker 6: How was it? He's like, two things.
Speaker 7: The opening band was fucking awesome, and Paul played a
new song called Playing with.
Speaker 6: Fire, and the opening band was warrant and playing with
Fire aka Hide Your Heart.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 2: H wait he called it playing with fire.
Speaker 6: No, because that's what my brother, you know, because never heard,
because you know, godchat.
Speaker 2: So that's what my brother the fucking food word or
something because yeah.
Speaker 7: So and to this day, my brother like, you know,
got two soft spots that I stole your love and
you know the higher Heart.
Speaker 6: He's like, of course are really two cool songs.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, so you did you see the solo
tour in the two thousands.
Speaker 6: Paul lit to win?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, five times Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now do you count those as kiss? Now? No?
Speaker 7: No, okay, but I've seen kiss one hundred and thirty
five times after the two Garden.
Speaker 6: Shows Christ, Yeah, and from.
Speaker 7: Sixty two to the end, I never paid because of
the nice Paul Stanley.
Speaker 6: Actually I did pay for the last two Garden shows.
I did pay for them.
Speaker 2: Right, well, see stalking him as it kind of helps.
Speaker 6: Now you know, I've done a lot for him, believe
it or not. I think he knows it. But your balls,
you know, he's you know, say what you want about
the guy. You know, he always was, you know, nice
to me, took care of me. It was crazy.
Speaker 2: That's cool. Man, that's cool. That's great. So get let's
get into the OJ stuff a little bit because we
can sit and talk to fucking kiss all night. All right, yeah,
put it back sideways, all right?
Speaker 7: Hold on one second, yep, I just got to send
somebody in this picture.
Speaker 2: All right, no problem. While he is doing that, go
online to Las Vegas Guitar Trade Show dot com. Get
your tickets now before before the show. I think they
are a discount. And if you get the VIP tickets,
you get to go to all the shows along with
all three days at the trade show. So there you go.
Oh and also, speaking you've kissed him, Bruce Killick will
have a booth there and he will be there. I
will be annoying him. Last at the last one one
of the days, Eric Singer was hanging out at his
booth and I'm like, hey, Bruce, how much is the
Eric Singer? He's like nothing, Just take him. Smart guy,
smart guy, smart guy. So Tim runs a uh an
Instagram page. Oh, it's it's all about the OJ trial.
Speaker 6: What is the other stuff too? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, but uh what's the name of the
Instagram page? So I don't fuck it up? O. J.
Speaker 7: Simpson murder trial page, but with underscores after each word.
But if you just type OJ, it's the first one
to come up because it's the most popular OJ page.
Speaker 2: How many followers do you have?
Speaker 6: At like thirty five hundred?
Speaker 2: Now it's not bad, Yeah, not bad.
Speaker 7: My goal is one hundred because all my friends are like,
we can take the Kiss.
Speaker 6: The bon Jovi, the Ghost, Scott Wiland, all this blah
blah blah. We can't take this OJ shit no more.
Speaker 7: So just one day, like I started a page, I'm
calling on my friends, follow foul follow it and then
you know, randomly some stuff happened, and then you know,
it exploded once. You know, I went on Chris's show
because he advertised it, and then.
Speaker 6: Just little by little by little, then he died.
Speaker 2: You know, So you know, how did you get infatuated
with this OJ trial?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 7: He was always Him and Eric Dickerson were always my
two favorite players, and then also I loved I don't
know if you ever saw it on There was a
show called First and ten. Yeah yeah, so he was
on there. Yeah No, who else was on there too?
Shannon Tweed?
Speaker 2: Shit, yeah, Shannon Tweed and the the uh oh god,
the gal that owned the team. It wasn't Christy Ally,
it was Delta Burke. Delta Burke, Yes, yes, yes, a
lot dark haired broad that got big.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, very big. So I love that show and YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2: And was on that too? Who that Olger? Who's the Nerds?
Speaker 6: Which ones?
Speaker 7: He? Oh?
Speaker 2: The fucking football player ogre.
Speaker 6: I'm not a big nerds guy to you. Oh my god, yeah,
even though I'm a big movie buff. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, what happened to you?
Speaker 6: Where do we begin? So? Yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 7: And then so June So the night of the murders
June twelfth, it was my last week of school senior year,
and I'll never forget my mother got rest her soul.
She picked me up from work at McDonald's and she's like,
did you hear about O. J. Simpson's wife getting killed?
I'm like no, and she laughs, She goes.
Speaker 6: They think he did it because he was.
Speaker 7: You know, there's no internet, you know, he was like
you know, he was like Taylor Swift or Derek Cheeter.
He could do no wrong right, and you know, YadA, YadA, yadda.
And then my last day of school senior year was
June seventeenth, the Bronco Chase, which is actually one of
my best friends from back home. My buddy Ben's birthday
and me and my buddies. We were at my friend
Lauren's house swimming and my buddy Ritchie from back home.
He's diehard Knicks fan, and the Knicks we're in the
finals and.
Speaker 6: I was in the pool. He goes get in here,
Ojay's got a gun with him, Like why so?
Speaker 7: And then just YadA YadA, Yah just became like infatuated
with it, you know, but like he I was always
a fan of him and this and that.
Speaker 2: So No, I had heard, No, there's been rumors that
he didn't really have a gun.
Speaker 6: No he did.
Speaker 7: He had a gun, yeah, you know, but he wasn't.
He wasn't going to kill himself do that. He loved
himself too much. He did that for attention. You know,
why do you think the prosecution didn't use that because
it would have you know, you know, it would have
backfired on him.
Speaker 2: How would have a backfired though?
Speaker 6: Just because they could have played the sympathy card.
Speaker 7: And you know this that they tried to actually prosecute
al cow Wings for aiding in a bedding, you know,
that fell through, you know. Plus so Jay's lawyers were assassin,
you know, and nobody likes nobody liked Marcia Clark. She
was arrogant, she tried standing up to him, right, you know,
like there's so much shit she did wrong, you.
Speaker 2: Know, right right? Did you watch the trials.
Speaker 6: As much as I could?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What do you I mean, what do you remember
about watching those trials?
Speaker 7: I just remember like seeing it and like, oh my god,
there he is in the courtroom. And at the time,
I used to work for Costco, so the whole entertainment
section every day was just that. And I was actually
working at Costco when verdict came and it just stopped.
Speaker 6: You can hear a pin drop like in a Costco.
Speaker 2: You know. What was the reaction in the you said
it was dead time?
Speaker 7: Was it?
Speaker 2: Where people.
Speaker 6: Happy?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: Except me?
Speaker 2: Why were you happy? Because you thought he didn't do it?
Speaker 7: I thought he didn't do it, and I was a fan,
you know, uh, you know, so just you know, I'm like,
you didn't fucking do it.
Speaker 6: There's no way, you know. And then for a little
while I thought he did.
Speaker 7: And then then I'll give you my like kind of
continuation of Chris's show from What's Happened?
Speaker 6: You're getting exclusive here, you know, I can't wait.
Speaker 2: I can't wait. And it's funny you brought up Eric
Dickinson and one thing I remember about living in it
and he was.
Speaker 6: Good friends at OJ too.
Speaker 2: Actually well of course he was. I can't remember the dealership,
but I always heard this Mershall on the radio. It
was Eric Dickerson, come down, buy a truck and tell
him ED sent you, And all I can think of
is rex hel dysfunction. How big is that truck? I'm
actually working on that bit.
Speaker 6: It might work, so it might.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so when did you start really diving into this?
Speaker 7: Just little by little by little, and then and then
the Vegas thing happened. Yeah, you know, it just you know,
would always come up, but like you know, just and
then just fell hardcore and then you know, like then
I would talk about it a lot. And then in
two thousand then he got arrested, and then two thousand
and fourteen fifteen, the FX series came out, the ESPN
did so like every ever my phone went stop bringing
what's this?
Speaker 6: What's it? Why is this? So? Who's this? Isn't that
you know?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so okay, So that's that was the one with
like David Swim and all that stuff, right.
Speaker 6: Yes, the FX will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what what did you think was right in there?
And what did you think was wrong?
Speaker 7: A lot of it was, you know, was right, you know,
like it was good. You know, I'd say, like seventy
percent true. You know, they did the best right now,
the characters. The characters were you know, they all looked
like them, and you know, I loved, you know, because
I'm a big eighties ninety buff, like when they show
like a Current Affair or like, yeah, you know the
old shows that we you know, and old commercials.
Speaker 6: We used to hate commercials.
Speaker 7: The other night, I'm on YouTube watching Burger King and
McDonald's commercials in the eighties. I'm like, i'd killed a one,
you know, but like, yeah, I thought that was great.
You know, I thought the casting was great. I just
think they could have got somebody. I love Cuba getting Junior,
but I think they could have got somebody better.
Speaker 2: So but so what what you said seventy.
Speaker 6: Like part of it.
Speaker 7: Bill Hotchman, who was on the prosecution, he like passed
out in the courtroom.
Speaker 6: He didn't pass out in the courtroom. He passed out upstairs.
Speaker 7: But it was just like some of it's like that,
what else I can't even think now, but like, but
most of it was good, you know, like like I
still watch.
Speaker 2: It to this day, you know, you know, it's like
me watching Scrubs over and over and over.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, but you know it was it was
great that you know, the guy played Cochrane athlete Bailey,
and Travolta was great as Shapiro.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, I forgot he was in it. I
just see I just remember David.
Speaker 6: Swimmer, yes, which he was all right, you know.
Speaker 2: So okay, so what do you think happened to the
bag the briefcase.
Speaker 6: Oh with the murder weapon and stuff.
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh that that's part of my like continuation theory.
Speaker 2: Okay, did you want to wait? Do you want to wait?
Speaker 6: Tell that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: First off, he didn't fly to even before I, you know,
came to this other conclusion I have for you.
Speaker 6: He's not going to fly to Chicago with it. Bring
it back.
Speaker 7: There was a rumor that this guy skipped June, who
his wife worked at the airport.
Speaker 6: He said he saw oj throwing shit out, you know,
like I believe that for a little while.
Speaker 7: But you know, because again there's no cameras this that.
But you know, like, but I never thought he there
was that there's that special where it's just based on
Kardashian taking the Louis Vuitton bag from him. Oh he had,
He's gonna bring it there and bring it back.
Speaker 2: Really, you know, so you think, though, Okay, it's right,
we have to we have to wait till later to
get this exclusive stuff. Exclusive exclusive Now wait a minute,
is this exclusive stuff ship that you've came up with
in your head?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Kind of like no, like kind of continues from you know,
Chris's show, Like you know, like I like my theory
is the same, but like I've connected the dots.
Speaker 6: So to speak.
Speaker 7: Really, you know, like and I don't know if you
saw I just posted today and OJ page. It's a
picture of him OJ connected to mob and drugs. This
that I've been saying that for you years. And I said,
I've said from day one, the case was about drugs
and this and that people think OJ got mad he
went there and killed her.
Speaker 6: But that's not how it happened, you know, Okay, well, no,
you know, he was jealous. He did it like he no,
you know not.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the people that haven't heard you talk about
this on Jericho's show, right, expand on that expand okay.
Speaker 7: So my thing, My thing was, you know I always knew,
you know, oj you know, he was involved with drugs,
you know, huge coke had, huge coke had and you
know he again he before the internet. You know, they
thought he was a prince and never was the best husband.
And then so you know and Nicole, she once she
became singles, she her Fay Resident, Chris jannertor all you know,
blowing lines out of their mind. And I always said
it was about you know, you know, drugs. They ran
up a tab and they blamed it on oj and
he paid it off the first time. And my opinion
on Jericho's show was, you know, they called o Jane,
were like listen and they were looking for fate Resnick,
which you know she was living with Nicole at the time,
and the day before she checked herself in the rehab.
My opinion was she went to rehab to hide. And
so my opinion was they called.
Speaker 6: Ojane and said give us this fucking money, and they
used that as an example.
Speaker 7: And again I never thought like oj did it because
you know, like fucking you know, Ron Goldman's hands were
blacker than black, and o J didn't have a scratch
on except for that little hangdaw, you know, and then
you know, why is his shoes there?
Speaker 6: I thought OJ might have went there and checked it
out after the drug dealers called him. It was like
holy shit, you know.
Speaker 7: And that's why people are so infatuated too, because there's
it's too easy. You know, It's like, okay, people are
obsessed with them and then this case, but it's cut
and dry.
Speaker 6: They fucking killed their parents over there, you know.
Speaker 7: But like people are infatuated because they got away with
it so long and then they're idiots, you.
Speaker 2: Know, right, do you think they do? You? Well, just
did touch on them really good? Do you I think
it's time for them to get out? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Definitely, definitely, you know, I agree, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Oviously after hearing everything that went on and why they did.
Speaker 7: It, and some people think that's a lie. I believe it,
you know, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: Believe it too. Yeah, I believe it too. So like
I remember, I can't remember if it was from that series.
Speaker 7: And Oja and Menendez that connects to for a few reasons.
The house that John Trafolta lived in on the show's
too down from the Menendez house on and really yeah,
and and also one of the Menendez brothers was away
on a tennis tennis trip when they finally uh you know,
booked them and Shapiro represented one of them and talked
them into coming home. And during the Bronco chase where
Sha Shapiro makes that speech because I.
Speaker 6: Talked to Lia Menendez into coming home.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Jesus Christ, I didn't realize that.
Speaker 7: And Oj when he was on trial, he was locked
up with them. Really yep, on the same row whatever
you want to call it.
Speaker 2: Like uh like famous people row.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yell. If you saw them in thende's Netflix special,
you know when they first went to jail, you hear somebody,
hey man, how am I.
Speaker 6: It's supposed to be Oja talking to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't seen I don't have Netflix.
Speaker 6: I'll send you my code.
Speaker 2: Okay, you can do that. Still I thought that allegedly,
So okay, so you think now the footprints YadA, YadA, YadA.
So that's how you explained the blood in the Bronco Then.
Speaker 7: Well yeah, and and well now again. My new theory
is actually, you know, like you know, I always said
Oj was innocent. This that I'm kind of you know,
changing my mind now, But like he did it, but
he wasn't by himself, and I figured out who it
is and this and that, blah blah.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, now, there was actually kind of
dials into that. There was I can't remember if it
was on that fucking series or what it was or
where the I can't It's all a blur to me.
This is it all runs together, you know, because I'm
not in it like you are. Right, somebody saw Oj
leaving oh the murracy, Yeah, leaving the murder scenes.
Speaker 7: Jill Shively, who she's actually a friend of mine now,
actually went out to Lesbia last week.
Speaker 2: All right, now, explain that to everybody and remind me
of how that story is supposed to go down.
Speaker 7: Well, in Brentwood on San Vicente, she was going to
she was going to get something to eat and San Vicente,
you know, it's going straight and where she was going actually,
she was going towards the Messaluna and Bundy comes up
here and Oj ran the light and hopped the curb. Yeah,
and she saw him and people thought she was full shit,
but she knew like five out of six of the
letters on the license plate. And then the prosecution didn't
use her because a Current Affair or one of those
shows paid her five K you know, to go on there,
and you know, so like which they still should have
used her, you know, like whatever, But Marcia Clark said,
she ruined the case this, that, and you know, like
they should have used her. And again they they could
have had Oja taking a celtice with the bodies. They
still weren't prosecuting them, you know, between his lawyers and
Rodney King. But but she saw him hot hop the
media and at first she thought it was Marcus Allen,
but then she she recognized OJ's voice because the night
before she watched and Making Gun.
Speaker 2: She recognized his voice. Did he like fucking yell at
her or something?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he said, get the hell out of way, get
out of the way, get out of the way.
Speaker 2: And this is supposed to so is this supposedly right
after the murders or would.
Speaker 6: He yeah, like literally leaving, no, leaving.
Speaker 2: The murders, leaving the murders. And it was the bronco, Yeah.
Speaker 6: His bronco because they're's two Broncos.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the white one wasn't his.
Speaker 6: That was there's two white ones.
Speaker 7: They're exactly the same. Because Ac was obsessed with Oj
A C.
Speaker 2: Oja.
Speaker 7: They went to college together. OJ used to throw them
bones as that A. C. Collings. If you watch First
and ten, he's one of the assistant coaches on there.
You know, like you know, you know, he just licked
OJ's ass, you know, and OJ took care of him
and and he went Actually, uh, OJ's first wife was
AC's girlfriend.
Speaker 6: OJ, you know, swooped him up from her.
Speaker 2: I don't I'm sure you know this, but a lot
of people might not. That Chase is the reason that
Ford discontinued the Bronco right and brought you know what,
they replaced it with the Escape? Really yeah okay, yeah,
oh you didn't know that.
Speaker 6: I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: No, No, that they because of Oj, they got rid
of the Bronco and that's when they introduced the Escape.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, he he uh, his Bronco is it's no more.
Speaker 6: They destroyed it because it was evidence. But A.
Speaker 7: C's is in some museum in Tennessee and it's it's
on market for like a million dollars.
Speaker 2: So okay, so that's it. And that's now wait a minute, now,
which one was the one in the chase? A C's
that was a CS? Yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 6: Because they already had OJ's in evidence at that point.
Speaker 2: Oh ship that.
Speaker 6: And a C had a white bronco because of OJ.
Speaker 2: You know, so, how do you think Cato Kalin played
into all of this?
Speaker 6: That's unbelievable. You say that because he's like part of
my new theory too.
Speaker 2: And like, okay, you tell me, he go for it,
just go for it.
Speaker 6: I always thought.
Speaker 7: I always thought that whole thing with hitting the air conditioner,
if I hit my head on an air conditioner, she's
gonna be like, he's that he heard?
Speaker 6: Which makes that's you're hitting your head on the air conditioner.
Speaker 7: And OJ, as Cochrane said, hits hits his head on
the air conditioner.
Speaker 6: No bumps on his head of course, So you know
that was always like, I'm like, that don't make sense.
Something's up with that. And Kato slipped with that, in.
Speaker 7: My opinion, and that's why he said earthquake, earthquake, earthquake.
You know that noise on on the that Kato heard
was OJ saying help me, help me, help me. Because
Oj climbed the fence and Kato went out there with
a flashlight and he saw Oj in his boxers. That's
why he he was so like, you know, like nervous
on the stand. And after that, Cato left for two
days because they fucking paid him off and they frontened him.
Oh so he's not as innocent and kto like it's
and OJ left and he was he fucking was with
the other guy you know, at the house and he
knows more.
Speaker 2: So Okay, now, whish I talked to him.
Speaker 6: All the time. Now I probably won't after this, but
now now hold on.
Speaker 2: Now, just just so it's for the record, this is
your theory.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it all matches up, you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I just want to say this is your theory.
This is not proven. No, no, yeah, you playing fucking
Horatio Pine here. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, when there's my sunglasses is he? I will tell you.
Speaker 2: In a moment, mister Wolf.
Speaker 7: That's best part of that show is uh the theme
right before it matches with a kiss dropping the curtain,
you know, dude.
Speaker 2: So the last uh, the last sound check live I
hosted in in Hollywood. It was the one that was
for benefiting all the wildfires and all that kind of stuff.
And they did that song and they got done, and
I took my sunglasses off and I walked out to
the singer. I'm like, don't leave, just play with me,
just just hold on, just go with me. And I go, no,
mister Wolf, that sounds like murder. And he's looking at
me like, huh, but come on, do this bread.
Speaker 7: And he's like, I love CSI Miami, but like and
then I heard like he demanded all this money.
Speaker 6: I'm like, really, he's a good actor. I don't get it, but.
Speaker 2: But I will say this about saying a Miami. Kelly
Dukane was a lot harder before she got all her
fucking plastic surgery.
Speaker 7: I loved what's her name, the one Spanish chick who
did like the biology and all that something, LaRue Eva
laru Eva LaRue.
Speaker 2: He was smoking too, all right? So what else did
they get wrong in the series?
Speaker 7: In the series was that fucking you know, just like
that fucking oj it. But you know, no, it was good,
you know, like you know, like.
Speaker 6: It was really good. I liked it.
Speaker 7: And there's Travolta is great with like some some one
liners in there, and but you know and they mentioned,
you know, OJ actually in when he's in jail, he mentioned,
you know, like, oh, there's drugs out of Messaluna and
they blew it off this that, you know, but yeah,
it was it was great.
Speaker 6: I still watch it.
Speaker 7: But it was great because it was week by week
by week and everyone was talking about it.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, so okay, so you mentioned the mob.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so OJ, like I said, from day one, keep big,
big coke head.
Speaker 7: And then there were these guys in Miami called the
Cocaine Cowboys and and they're from Miami. And there's this
guy John Roberts, and I don't know if you ever saw.
It's actually on Hulu. It's called Cocaine Cowboys about coke
in Miami in the eighties.
Speaker 6: It's really cool.
Speaker 7: And and you know, guy John Roberts, he's there and
they you know, they were connected to Pablo Escobar.
Speaker 6: And this and that.
Speaker 7: And there's you know this one podcast that like I
just stumbled upon. It's you know, sports players that you
know gone wrong basically. So the OJ episode, they're like,
we're gonna only talk about the main thing for ten
minutes is that. And there's a part where they're like
OJ was in Florida paying you know, the Dolphins or something,
and he went to this guy's house with Mercury Morris
and he's like, oh, I'm gonna bring OJ you know
like this that, and he said, OJA went there, just
did coke for like four days, called like twenty hookers
and like OJ wouldn't leave, and he goes, Ojay got
you know, you played in Buffalo to Mars, Like just
take me to the airport and he's like, what about
your car? Is like go come back next weekend. This
guy's like I don't want this guy at my house
no more. And they just threw OJ on a plane.
He ran for like two hundred yards that day. So
he was just and OJ, I'll tell you, oh, I
did like two lines.
Speaker 6: In my day.
Speaker 7: And like even back in the day, I knew, you know,
I heard rumors about it. So he was connected to
like the mob and YadA, YadA YadA.
Speaker 6: So you know, he wasn't like a.
Speaker 7: Dealer, but he'd be like, oh is he you know,
I'll hook you up with this guy you know, da
da da, Like he was like the middleman and so
so fucking the Night of the murders and it ties
into ever you heard saw this special?
Speaker 6: And he wrote that book? If I did it right?
Did you ever see? And people think that guy Charlie
is an alter ego. It's real. There's a person named Charlie.
Speaker 2: I haven't read the book. I haven't read the book, so.
Speaker 6: You kind of don't have to. There's there's a special.
It's on YouTube.
Speaker 7: There was an interview with Judith Reagan, who like she
worked for HarperCollins did the Stern book and everything.
Speaker 6: She actually got fired for doing this book.
Speaker 7: And they interviewed OJ and then they shelved it till
twenty seventeen or eighteen. But like OJ, you know, came
out with the book. First off because they gave him
five hundred grand, you know, because he needed money. Second,
he started confessing all this stuff is the main drug
dealers got Joey Ippolito, which funny story, Joey Ippolito.
Speaker 6: Sold me my first hun day when I was eighteen
years old.
Speaker 7: So this guy, you know, he actually so in ninety four,
Nicole owed a.
Speaker 6: Ton of fucking money.
Speaker 7: The night of the murders, Charlie showed up at OJ's
house and be like, Yo, this bitch this that, and
OJ's like, all right, we'll show her. And they went
there to like just like scare this that.
Speaker 6: You know, Goldman walked in Nicole. You know, she fuck
you OJ.
Speaker 7: She swung at him and boom boom boom, and so
OJ got her and the Charlie guy got ron. That's
why OJ don't have nothing on him. So, like it
was connected to drugs, like I always said, you know so,
and also, you know everyone said on that special, OJ's like, oh, well,
Charlie came to see me and just said, you know,
they're messing around with guys, fucking guys. OJ you know
fibbed about that because of the drugs, you know, but
it was because of that. And people are like, oh,
that's his all there, ego, this, that that, it's he's
kind of telling me everything. So this guy Charlie, he's
in the mob. He runs a go go bar in Miami. Now, this,
that and the other thing, and he he's doing some
documentary and he confessed to it. Is like he literally
confessed to it, like and they were gonna come out
with a movie then they're not this that.
Speaker 6: And then when people come from he's like, oh I
was joking.
Speaker 7: But there's this one private investigator who I follow on
YouTube and he's like, I have his confession right here.
Speaker 6: This is that Da da da And now this guy
Charlie's suing him.
Speaker 7: But like Charlie was with OJ in Vegas when OJ
got arrested, Effigy.
Speaker 2: Just for the record, I live in Sheboygan, Wisconsin. Okay,
I live in sheboyg and Wisconsin. Just that's where I live,
boy in Wisconsin.
Speaker 7: Oh so nobody comes after you, yeah, exactly. Well the
main guy's all dead. Now that's why OJ started talking.
Speaker 2: Oh who's so the main guy is that Charlie?
Speaker 6: No, that was his Joey Ippolito guy. He was like
a beast. So you know, he told Charlie go get
my fucking money.
Speaker 7: And OJ just should have been like, all right, I'm
going away, you know, like we'll do when I get home.
But Oja's you know, ego this that blah blah blah,
and you know they went there and YadA YadA yadi.
Speaker 2: And sol that's your new theory.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then you know, and there's literal like the
the you know, Cochran all them.
Speaker 6: They're one investigator, doctor Henry Lee. He's like only Superman
killed all those people. Couldn't just be O. J. Simpson.
Speaker 7: And there's there's sketches and little imprints of you know,
Charlie shoes that they just didn't want to use this
that really, Yeah, there's so much stuff there, you know, where's.
Speaker 2: Now where's all this stuff available? Is this all in
like YouTube documentaries and kind of stuff. Yeah?
Speaker 8: Like and okay, even in the trial, Cochran brought it
up like there was another shoe print not clear day
as OJ's because what happened was once, once everything happened,
they stripped, you know, they just ran out of there
in their socks and their underwear.
Speaker 7: And that's why OJ was driving home. And they never
found blood on the gas pedal of brakes because he
had his socks on, not a shoes.
Speaker 6: How about that?
Speaker 2: Did they find the shoes?
Speaker 6: No? No, So that's where Cato comes in.
Speaker 7: So anyway, and they found somebody else in the prosecution,
they wanted it to be OJ just because big name
and they get back for Rodney King, and.
Speaker 6: Like, you know, you could have told them eighty people did.
Speaker 7: This and this, they wanted it to be OJ. So
they found other you know, blood on the steering wheel.
That's they buried it and it was Charlie's you know
they and.
Speaker 2: Why did so? They just wanted to depend it all on.
Speaker 6: Yes, so you know, to get back for Rodney King.
Speaker 7: And you know they were in the first who's the
guy you know they do the corn or the first
guy that did the you know, the examination of the
body's corner.
Speaker 6: He said, there's there's two different kind of knives here.
Got fired the first day. Then they brought doctor Axmanen.
Speaker 7: And because really yeah, and it was all Marsa Clark
really yeah.
Speaker 2: See, you know this this opened so much shit up.
Speaker 7: And speaking of speaking of that special you brought up
with Kardashian with that bag. If you watch that that
day and that's on the news report, OJ gets home
from uh Chicago, he looks, he looks to the left
and if you if you're obsessed with me, you notice
he makes this weird face because he saw the Bronco
there because usually parked it inside.
Speaker 6: That's where Charlie parked it because he didn't know.
Speaker 7: So if they would have towed the bronco earlier, they
you know, they could have gotten him.
Speaker 6: No, they would have had him saying I don't know
where the bronco.
Speaker 7: You know, he said he parked it there after, you know,
like you know, his day, but like Charlie parked it there.
So when when they got done with the murders around
the block, there's a street called Bristol which is basically
behind Ojas and OJ's like, I can't go there to
fucking Limo's there. So that's when OJ hopped the fence
and YadA, YadA, YadA, and Charlie waited for you know,
the Limo to leave, he and him and Cato, you know,
he helped Cato help him, you know, like.
Speaker 6: Get and leave.
Speaker 7: And Charlie left and he got rid of all the evidence,
went back to Florida, never heard from him again.
Speaker 2: So so cardish she didn't take the evidence. No, no,
Charlie did.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Charlie did. And he got rid of it.
Speaker 7: And then if you notice, when you know OJ left La,
you know, first he had he had to sell rocking
him and they destroyed it because you know, he owed
back taxes and the Goldmans.
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 6: Then he went to Miami. Who lives in Miami.
Speaker 7: Charlie I got pictures with OJ and strippers and Charlie,
you know, and then Charlie helped him, you know, rob
the you know, Palace Station.
Speaker 2: So now why aren't you doing like YouTube videos about
this stuff?
Speaker 6: I don't know at the time. This that, plus I
want to give you the exclusive, you know.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the exclusive. Theory, Yeah, the exclusive.
Speaker 7: You know, and even you know, like for like, you know,
at one point, I'm like, I think it's like it's
impossible one person to do that, and I have friends,
but he was, He's a machine.
Speaker 6: This that.
Speaker 7: I'm like, dude, there's no way you know, one person,
you know, And that's why I always start I'm like, dude,
drug dealers went there.
Speaker 6: And from day one, you know, my opinions change a
little bit. My theories always said, it's.
Speaker 2: About drugs, you know, it makes sense.
Speaker 7: And there's there's interviews, whether even before or after the
murders where oh Jay, it's just lit up.
Speaker 6: There's just one it's a few years after the murders.
Speaker 7: He's he's on like Fox with with some guy and
they're interviewing him and Nicole's sister gets on niece and
they're arguing. He's like, Nicole, did want me around you
because you wanted to fuck me? Just that Ojay screaming, screaming,
he's coked out of his mind.
Speaker 6: It's fantastic. Yeah, yeah, he was the ad of his mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never knew that. Oh yeah, that is That
is fucking wild stuff. And there is Is there any
other theories that you have?
Speaker 9: No, you know, it was just that, you know, like,
okay again you know about drugs, you know, and YadA YadA,
yadda and and fucking he like so Jill Shively did
see him leaving, you know, he did.
Speaker 7: And she she just said to he goes, Oh, I
couldn't see if he was wearing anything because he didn't
have a shirt on. And then when they said we
saw the limo drive at Alan Parks, he said, we
saw oj.
Speaker 6: Run across the lawn.
Speaker 7: You know, he was all in black. He was naked
except for the boxers, you know. And Cato said, yeah,
I went out to get a flashlight.
Speaker 6: And then he went down the.
Speaker 7: Alleyway where with the glove and he turned around because
OJ told him not to go there.
Speaker 6: But he OJ was banging on his door. Okay, his
side of the bungle.
Speaker 2: Now, when you said, uh, yeah, he saw him in
his underwear. He was talking about OJ not.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Ato, No, Kato was watching TV and OJ was
banging on the you know.
Speaker 6: Kato was obsessed with OJ. You know really you know, and.
Speaker 7: Then, like I said, two days later, Kato just says,
I wanted to get the hell out of that.
Speaker 6: I want to do with this. They paid him to
leave for a few days.
Speaker 2: Right. Has Kato's story changed over the years.
Speaker 7: Nothing, nothing but that when he says he should have
never I don't know why he said that, he goes
sound like an earthquake book. Yeah, but I've said from
day one he always knew more and me Ti, one
of my friends, like he did it with Oman.
Speaker 6: No he didn't, but like you know, like and then
this all came out like he like he knows everything.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: As soon as OJ left, Charlie and him were talking.
Speaker 2: Is that fact?
Speaker 7: Yeah, well you know my theories and you know it's
in this it's in this script of this mob movie
that was going to come out with Charlie.
Speaker 2: You know, oh really what mob movie was?
Speaker 7: That was that it's about like the mob in Charlie's
life and he can you know, and that's where like
he admitted it. And this one private investigator I follow
he he's like, I have the script. I've talked to Charlie.
He admitted it to me. But then you approach him, Oh,
I'm kidding, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, just fucking busting balls. Yeah, for the movie exactly.
Speaker 7: And this private investigator he's gone to the gold Mins,
the lapd and they don't want to hear it just
because you.
Speaker 2: Know, okay, all right, all right, do you think we're
ever going to hear the truth? No?
Speaker 7: And and fucking Oj when he died. You know, he's
got four kids to with Nicole too, from Margarita's first
and the first two, you know, right before he died,
Like they signed the NDAs in the room.
Speaker 6: So I think he finally confessed.
Speaker 2: Then he admitted what happens, That's why they I didn't
know they signed NDAs. Yeah. Do you think do you
think Kato has an NDA signed too?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 7: I just think you know he's you know, he can't
say nothing now because his life was you know, like
he'd be as Cato says, I became famous for all reasons,
you know, right, and now Cato can say I killed
Oj Winham and nobody's gonna Nobody wants to hear it
or believe it this day, you know, like it's it's.
Speaker 2: Did you listen? You know he had a podcast.
Speaker 6: I listened to him all time on there, you know, Yeah, yeah,
I actually I promote it for I tag him and stuff.
Speaker 2: We talked, okay, so he's still doing it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and we d M back and forth, me and him.
Speaker 7: I was actually trying to get him on Jericho's show,
but like just didn't work out.
Speaker 6: Blah blah blah blah. But you know, and he and
and he, you know, I think he was fucking baging
Nicole too. You know, his best friend was That's how
he met her.
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, okay, so it was Yeah, So it's weird.
For some odd reason, I always thought it was OJ's
house or that he lived in the guesthouse.
Speaker 6: He did, he did well.
Speaker 7: First he lived he lived on three two five Gretna Green,
which is a few blocks from Rocking Him. And that's
where those nine to one one tapes are. That where
OJ you fuck you No No Cato lived there and
then Nicole left there, went to Bundy and she didn't
have a she just had a spare room. And you know,
OJ's like, no, no, no, you're not living there. Come
live with me in a bungalow, so of course, and
then apparently.
Speaker 6: Him and Nicole hate each other after that. She was
jealous because she was pissed out and felt he turned
on her.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and let me tell you something that nine one
one call Yeah again, OJ's coked that in mind. He
kicked down the door, you know, Like but if you
hear what he's saying, I kind of agree with him
because like, what is he say if you know you
hear the story how he used to stalk her a
little and he saw this guy keeps his lambswitch who
he's a restaurant tour He owned Messaluna on San Vacente
and Brentwood, and there was one in Aspen. That's where
Nicole met him and the cold datum little and OJ,
you know, saw her giving him a hummer.
Speaker 6: So OJ kicked down the door and she's like, ohj
this that that He's like, oh really, He's like, you're
sucking Keiths dick in the living room. My kids are upstairs.
Speaker 7: He's he went about it the wrong way, but I
think he was right. And that guy was a drug
dealer too, that guy Keith.
Speaker 2: It's wild how it always comes back to drugs.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they were running out of that messaloon.
Speaker 2: It was crazy right now. So now the Bundy House
is no longer there, correct.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, it's there, and if you go to
the back alley it looks exactly the same which is
in the front. It's the same house, but the like
it used to be like all open and had a
white gate, but like now there's big trees bushes around it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and wooden gates. They don't even use the entrance
no more.
Speaker 7: But like but like, you know, it's there, and where
the door is to the right a little which is
almost on the other property, it's actually where the murders happened.
As you can line it up with. There's this one
picture of the cops standing out there and trees and
there's a kind of a gutter hole in the road
and I've matched him up this that.
Speaker 6: So but it's the same place, you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought for somebody.
Speaker 6: She doesn't use the they don't use the front this whoever's.
Speaker 2: There right right now? I thought somebody had said that
they they knocked it down, And.
Speaker 6: No, they knocked down rocking him OJ's house.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, and you know who bought it the guy.
Speaker 6: Who used to own those Jerry's delis out here.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so he bought it and he knocked it down,
not because the OJ this that he just said, just
the renovations would have costed him too much.
Speaker 6: Because OJ had with back taxes.
Speaker 7: And then the Goldman sued him in the civil trial,
so like he owed him held him money.
Speaker 2: So that was that.
Speaker 7: And then he fled to Miami because I guess I
couldn't get him down there. Plus he could live on
his pension because you can't touch that, so which was
like twenty five k a month. So, plus he was
doing other shit, you know, the drug shit and you know,
autographed shows behind the back, funneling.
Speaker 2: It like you know, oh dude, this is fucking wild stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 7: And then in in in Miami, the police raided his
house because somebody said that.
Speaker 6: O J was dealing ecstasy there and this and that,
and then all they found was he was stealing direct TV.
Speaker 2: Oh can you not afford direct TV? If he's getting
twenty five grand a both in his pension.
Speaker 6: People don't want to pay for cable, you ever?
Speaker 7: Hear Eddie van Hilla too, He didn't want to pay
for cable, you ever, hear that story with him and
Craig Well, Craig gas well.
Speaker 2: Craig lived there for a little while.
Speaker 6: He lived there, and Craig said that Eddie went up
to him. He's like, hey, here, you got a legal
cable box. He's like yeah, He's like, I'm rich, I
just don't pay for cable. It's they were on Opie
and Anthony. Craig calls it's hysterical.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, you know, listen you listen to
his his interview on Jericho or on my show. It's dude,
that that story is just fucking mind blowing.
Speaker 7: And then you know, Eddie's assistant Matt Brock, ended up,
you know, banging Craig's girlfriend and Eddie, uh, that's how
he move or first he cheated on someone else and
he first Eddie's like, come stay with.
Speaker 6: Me, you know, and he's like, I told you she
was funk. And when he called, Eddie's like what do
you do? He's like taking a ship. He's like, all right,
I give you come up. No, He's like, come moving.
It's cool, and Craig's like, fuck you your hor I'm
going to live with Eddie man Helen. And then he
brought the girl over and they.
Speaker 7: Were rehearsing for at the four reunion with Sammy, the
one that was a disaster where he's Samurai and he
was staying like in a room behind fifteen fifty one
fifty behind it, and the girl goes, wow, this guy's
the biggest Van Halen Eddie's cold records.
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus Christ.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's hysterical. I'll send it to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, please do, please do now if people want to again,
just to reiterate, these are all theories the yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and like you know, some of its fact, like
for instance, Nicole did run up the drug that O. J.
Paynton off the first time and then the second time.
That's why he went there. He's like, fuck this, I'm
not doing this again, you bitch, you know.
Speaker 6: But everybody thinks, oh, you know, he was mad they
didn't go out.
Speaker 7: He's gonna go kill the girl because he didn't get
invited to fucking dinner, you know, like you know, and
that day, you know, he there's a video him outside
of the school hugging her family. They just blew it
all up.
Speaker 6: Just fun fact too. OJ and Kiss goes back.
Speaker 7: So his girlfriend Paula Barbieri broke up with him the
morning of the murders, and know where she went. She
went to Vegas that night to see none other than
Forever co writer Michael Bolton.
Speaker 2: Jesus, it's so funny. It's like, you know, I'm like
in the grocery and all of a sudden, I hear oh.
Speaker 6: Am I the busted out.
Speaker 2: I start crying, Yeah, you big fan by the ball.
That's the song with Zachi Kelly break Up. Of course,
because of that douchebag jeff Patrick Buldoon.
Speaker 6: Who also is Richard on Melrose Place.
Speaker 2: And he was also Austin Reeves, Austin Reid on Days
of Our Lives.
Speaker 6: That's another thing. I'm a huge Melrose and nine.
Speaker 2: Of course you are, that's right, Yeah, you're You're like
a pop culture nerd.
Speaker 6: Yeah, dude, high school nine O two one oh.
Speaker 7: Every week I go watch it with these three or
four hot girls, and then after we go to our
peach fit the Jefferson Diner, and all my guy friends like,
you're just going there and trying to get some tell
and all the girls like no, he shushes us, you know,
and You're.
Speaker 2: Like, no, I'm just I just want to hang out
with the hot chicks and they.
Speaker 6: No, I know, I was more obsessed with nine two
oh than the hot chicks.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ him. People want to find the Instagram it
is please.
Speaker 6: Jay Simpson murdered trout page. There you go, and I'm
star child thirty seven.
Speaker 2: That's right, That's that's where the innerkiss TRD comes out.
And I say that lovingly. Of course I say that lovingly. Uh,
Timmy dude, thank you man. I course I appreciate it.
And I'm going to hit the the ultro music I've
been using for eleven twelve years.
Speaker 6: So real quick, some Vegas questions. So what's up with Vamped?
Speaker 2: What happened with Vamped? Yeah, dude, it's just I.
Speaker 7: Saw an interview with him. He has another business venture.
He can't say what it is, so he's selling it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I look, I there's some stuff going on.
Speaker 7: You think it's gonna last say it or they're gonna
what's your opinion on that?
Speaker 2: I hope somebody buys it.
Speaker 7: I was only there once when I last time, I
actually saw you for quarantine, and I'm like, this place.
Speaker 6: Correct me if I'm wrong. That was Vince Neil's old place.
Speaker 2: Right, correct, Okay, that was feel goods.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, dude, look, there was just great.
Speaker 2: You know, it's phenomenal. But here's the thing. Rock clubs
are a money pit. Yeah, of course, you know, nobody
wants to see as much as we fucking hate pay
to Play and all that ship, nobody wants to see
that here. And you know they Vamped. Those guys fucking
took care of us very well when we played there.
But you know, if you're not generating money, yeah, you know.
Speaker 6: What I mean, Like I said, Olilie, like this place.
Speaker 2: Is, dude, it's the best. It's it's the fucking it's
my favorite rock bar in the world, right, you know,
I mean, like the Rainbow is different because it's it's
at Yeah, it's a restaurant, it's a hang and this
is a hang too, But we're gonna watch fucking killer
bands in a killer bar with a killer sound system. Oh,
it's just it's I was there twice this weekend, even
though I shouldn't have been, but.
Speaker 6: I get it.
Speaker 2: Well, dude, it's like Todd Kern's last show that Vamped,
you know, then fucking lvdc's last show at Vamped, and
I've got like Keith, who plays in act, isn't it
He's he's the angus. It's like, well, I gotta go
support my bros. Oh, it's like, du it's I fuck it.
I hate it. I hate it. It sucks. It's so dumb,
so dumb, but yeah, it sucks. Man. It's I just
I hope somebody comes in and fucking uh saves the day.
I mean, I know it's never gonna be the same.
You know, there's just a fucking there's just a feel
there and yeah, yeah, yeah it's and part of it's
and part of that made feel is Corey and Danny. Yeah,
you know. So it's like, dude, he's like, you're you're
playing that stage and you look up and look up
to Danny's little fucking bat cave up there, and he's
just up there fucking rock. And I was like, yeah, yeah,
kind of a transam never worked. I tried, right, it
never worked, but yeah, dude, it sucks. And one other
vagus questions you got.
Speaker 6: That's it all right? Very well, Palace Station. When I
came there for quarantine, I stayed there you know.
Speaker 2: Where, of course you did.
Speaker 7: And no, it's funny I introduced you and that night.
My buddy Tommy, who is with me. He's from Jersey,
you know, like he's like my Kiss sidekick this that,
and he uh, he's I call my big little brother
because he's like ten years younger than me, but he's
smarter and takes care of me. And he he was
my sidekick at the last two Kiss shows this that
East type with PJ and Steve. So he's like, I'm
gonna come out for you know, the weekend. You know,
we'll go to Whiskey and then we'll go to Vegas.
And he's a big qult guy.
Speaker 6: So we're there and we stay at Palace Station. So
I check in.
Speaker 7: I'm like, can I get room twelve oh three? And
the ladies like, we don't have a twelve oh three?
And Tommy, Tommy, what are you talking about? And during
the pandemic they re they remodeled it in twelve oh
three is the room where the.
Speaker 2: Robbery was, right right, Well.
Speaker 6: The lady goes, we don't have a room twelve They
the number on it. They just remodeled that wing or
something model now.
Speaker 7: But I did, you know, like I did one of
my you know sightings where I go to houses and
stuff on the steps where Jay walks in.
Speaker 2: You know, that's just fucking insane. But yeah, but look,
actually it's not because you know, I do stupid shit
like that, like movie locations. Oh yeah, I love it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and all my friends from back East they give
me requests, so that's pretty cool, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just saw one. Uh there's a guy that's
been on this show many a couple of time times
where he's got this Urban Explorer page and it's all
about movie movie places. Yeah, he just posted one from
where the famous Clyde right turn Clyde Okay Burbank on
Victory with the restaurant in the background.
Speaker 7: That's still there, right, Yeah, all the stuff they use
in the valley and Burbank man, I all the like
you know, you'll you'll see like.
Speaker 6: An old McDonald it's all burning. It's all still there.
Speaker 2: That but was Look, that was one of the fun
things about living in laying all that ship.
Speaker 6: Like, I still go right in North Hollywood.
Speaker 7: I went there last year and that's right around the
block from Butcher's apartment when he goes and gets the
watch in Pulp Fiction, right around the Yeah.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. But yeah, it's just stupid it's not like
the Saved by the Bell High School. Yeah, it's the
better off dead house.
Speaker 7: Speaking of fast times in Rent would block away on
San Vicente, there's a coffee bean and that's where the
All American Burger was.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, oh shit, I'll have to remember that next time.
I'm just cruising around LA which yeah, back until September.
Speaker 6: Well, you let me know.
Speaker 2: I will.
Speaker 6: We'll even do We'll do an OJ tour.
Speaker 2: If I have time, because I'm usually in and out,
you know, right, but if I, if I, if I
have time, if I if I have a day, yeah,
we'll see it all depends what the finances look like.
And ladies and gentlemen, you can help with that. Not
by sending me money. Well you can really paton. Sign
up for the patreon five dollars a month. You can
contribute and look, you get shipped like this on the Patreon.
You get fun stuff like that on the Patreon. So
maybe we do something just for the Patreon the OJ.
I don't know, but I have to start making money.
We have seventeen people, which is good, which is good.
It's eighty three less than one hundred, four hundred and
eighty three less than my goal. There you go, you know,
a goal of five hundred at five dollars a month.
Speaker 7: I mean, listen, I had one hundred OJ followers. Now
I'm at three thousand, so dreams can come true.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go, pumping up on your fucking OJ page.
Speaker 6: May oh I'm from here for sure?
Speaker 2: There you go. Hell yeah, fuck ya. All right, I'm
gonna hit my ultro music that I've been using for
twelve years, and.
Speaker 7: I will be in Vegas August ninth for Ghosts, So
whether you go to the show or not, we can
meet up.
Speaker 2: So and uh, for the record, I've been using this before,
a showered out loud cast. Uh uh oh yeah, but.
Speaker 6: I use the number one kiss podcast out there.
Speaker 2: That's right, My good. They're actually gonna be on the
show coming up pretty soon. So Tim Mangione Maggioni, however
the fuck you want to say, check out his OJ page.
This is fun, man. I love hearing all this kind
of shit. And like I said, it's your theories. But
the dots connect, they connect, that's connect. We'll never know
the truth less never Cato comes on this show and
says fuck it.
Speaker 6: Or a c cowings he knows everything too.
Speaker 2: Of course he does. Of course he does. You know,
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Speaker 6: Thirty seven?
Speaker 2: Why the number? Thirty seven?
Speaker 6: My favorite number? When I played football back.
Speaker 7: In the day when they gave out jerseys, I missed
it that day.
Speaker 6: I came back and that was.
Speaker 7: The only jersey left out of the number number six. Yeah,
but then it was a running backs number and I
was alignment, so then they they gave me seventy.
Speaker 2: Three, so a well, well, hey, I think twenty seven
is superior number. But what can I say? And if
you're on the Patreon, we'll see you tomorrow night. If
you're not, we'll see you next week. Don't forget my
name's Izzy Presley. What I lack of talent make up
for the.
Speaker 6: Cock wild that I will not be promoting.
Speaker 2: But good