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<v Speaker 1>Mac. I heard a great would you rather? Oh really

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<v Speaker 1>the Jones and Keith Show today Now, of course be

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<v Speaker 1>invented that. We invented everything that has ever been done

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<v Speaker 1>on podcasts or on radio. H it's the future of radio,

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<v Speaker 1>you jabronis. But the question was would you rather be

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<v Speaker 1>a were wolf or a dracula?

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<v Speaker 2>So to me, there's a there's a clear answer here,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have to consider so instantly in is werewolf?

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<v Speaker 2>But really with where Yeah, with werewolf you don't really

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<v Speaker 2>get into extra curriculars, no real powers. You know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're a dracula, you get some powers. There's like a

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<v Speaker 2>power set there, so that is intriguing. However, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a dracula, there's a lot of like weaknesses and it

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<v Speaker 2>affects you every day, whereas if you're a were wolf,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just really dealing with the transformation like once a month.

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<v Speaker 1>Couple of times I was gonna say, how is your

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<v Speaker 1>pain tolerance? Because what is it? Every thirty ish days

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<v Speaker 1>we have the full moon? Sure, transforming into a werewolf

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<v Speaker 1>that is very, very painful. We've seen that many of times.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it is or not. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>say that with certainty. I would say, so I just

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<v Speaker 2>know that, I would say at least once a month.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm already waking up in a blur and not knowing

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<v Speaker 2>where I fell asleep, so I'm sort of accustomed to that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'd fall into the werewolf life pretty easily. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like waking up new in like a park obviously

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be great, but also I would rather deal with

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<v Speaker 2>the ramifications of that than like never being able to

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<v Speaker 2>go out in the sun. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, if you're a werewolf, don't you have memory loss

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<v Speaker 1>of what you did as the werewolf? You could have

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<v Speaker 1>some blood on your hands.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know, because at some point you end

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<v Speaker 2>up with like a professor health situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, are you telling me that all the werewolves

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<v Speaker 1>are lying? I don't remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>Kid. At some point you can sort of maybe become one.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that show on MTV like a decade ago or

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<v Speaker 2>was it something with teen Wolf might have been called

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<v Speaker 2>teen Wolf. I think they could actively turn into were

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<v Speaker 2>wolves in that show. So I think it's some point

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you harness that it isn't just a full moon thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think there's more that can go wrong with

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<v Speaker 2>Dracula than there is with werewolf, So I go were wolf.

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<v Speaker 1>But does being a werewolf get you laid?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I think you could. You're You're more fuckable as

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<v Speaker 2>a dracula for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>One good three?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, job three, King of Queen, Marl Street.

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<v Speaker 1>Entertain Goo and I am Mac and we are the

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<v Speaker 1>Mac and Goo program. We bring you friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yup, and today we are bringing you U some disappointment

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<v Speaker 2>amongst uh uh goo and ay. As friends, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be talking about uh television programs that have been notoriously

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<v Speaker 2>snubbed at the Emmys. Of course, the Yemmys were this

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<v Speaker 2>last week, and you and I knew all about them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why we're doing it after the Emmys, not before

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<v Speaker 2>the Emmys.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, this is either a very timely

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<v Speaker 1>podcast or we should have done it two weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>A week ago. But like we said in our last

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<v Speaker 1>news dump, we thought that they were announcing Emmy nominations

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday. We didn't realize it was the actual Emmys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know, we just missed the boat on that.

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<v Speaker 2>And again we did talk about it a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago as well. It's been a relatively light year

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<v Speaker 2>for TV, so maybe we're just not in touch with

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<v Speaker 2>television this year. But that said, historically, we're very in

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<v Speaker 2>touch with television historically, Big TV guy not so much

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<v Speaker 2>these days.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I've fallen out of love. No, I'm sorry I

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<v Speaker 1>have I've not fallen out of love. I have no time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you used to be the TV guy of the program,

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<v Speaker 2>and now I think I watched more TV than you do.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I used to love was multitasking, playing

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<v Speaker 1>a nice game of Madden while watching a sitcom?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that why you sucked at Madden?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really good rank in Madden twelve, which one

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, maybe in that range.

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<v Speaker 1>I had an amazing online rank in that. So you

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<v Speaker 1>can go ahead and bite your tongue, goude.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you want to kick this off? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>About let me? Should I cite my sources? Because everyone

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<v Speaker 1>cares about sources these days. So I went through Indie Wire,

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<v Speaker 1>TV Line, Collider, Yahoo, and I went ham on the

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<v Speaker 1>Emmy's website. Of I just started typing in any show

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<v Speaker 1>that I could think of, and I got all these results.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's way easier than all that just going

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<v Speaker 2>to the show on IMDb and it lists all the

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<v Speaker 2>nominations that the show has.

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<v Speaker 1>You can do the exact same thing on the Emmy's website, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and it also tells you who was nominated for certain

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<v Speaker 1>things every year. It's a little bit easier. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it is, so what I want to start

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<v Speaker 1>with before we get to the let's call them fucking losers. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>here are some that also pop out to me as

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<v Speaker 1>like we've gotten a little more love and Late Night

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<v Speaker 1>with Conan O'Brien. Now, I am talking about the twelve

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<v Speaker 1>thirty program on NBC, not the one that where he

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<v Speaker 2>This was the great one which ran from roughly what

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<v Speaker 2>ninety three to like eight.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was eight or seven, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>nominated twenty eight times. It won one Emmy for Outstanding

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<v Speaker 1>Writing for a Variety Music or Comedy Program. That happened

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty oh seven.

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<v Speaker 2>What year did Kimmel get the Late night show on ABC?

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<v Speaker 1>Early two thousands? It might have been like four or five.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a time early Kimmel and Late Conan where

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<v Speaker 2>they were easily the two best at late night and

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<v Speaker 2>they had just simply surpassed Letterman and Leno, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was it felt like these award shows just failed to

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<v Speaker 2>recognize that, and it was pretty frustrating because at least

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<v Speaker 2>the youths were watching those two shows and the older

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<v Speaker 2>folk were watching less well.

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<v Speaker 1>But also, this award, this Outstanding Variety Music Comedy, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sure that you're also going up against The Daily

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<v Speaker 1>Show every year, Yeah, which wins I think almost every

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<v Speaker 1>single year. And I want to say that SNL falls

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<v Speaker 1>into that too.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, yeah, you might be right about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But either way, this is after Conan was named to

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<v Speaker 1>the Tonight program. So I also feel like this was

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<v Speaker 1>NBC being like, hey, here's an award because you're our

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<v Speaker 2>Hm, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It might be a little bit of pain your dues

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<v Speaker 1>if you will curb your enthusiasm one of your favorite shows,

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<v Speaker 1>Mac your favorite? Is this your favorite comedy of all time?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's this or The Office. I'd probably lean

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<v Speaker 2>Curb Office number two.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about to go to the Office in a second, Yes, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say Curb. I think Curb is the best

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<v Speaker 2>comedy of all time, and I think it's the most

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<v Speaker 2>consistent from beginning from season one to the final season,

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<v Speaker 2>out of any comedy you could ever name it, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess you could argue there's lulls in there, but it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the most comedy that's ever been on television. And

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that it never won, or the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>Larry David, now I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was gonna get to that, blows my mind. How many

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<v Speaker 1>seasons is it? Thirteen?

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<v Speaker 2>I think they just finished with their twelve or thirteen?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, So it's been nominated fifty five times, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, miscellaneous awards and whatnot. It has won twice,

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<v Speaker 1>one for a single cam directional show and then also

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<v Speaker 1>a Directing Award two. Larry David has never won an

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<v Speaker 1>Emmy for the show. Now I understand maybe why the

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<v Speaker 1>show hasn't won for writing, because it's it's like loosely

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<v Speaker 1>written correct and then they kind of fill in.

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<v Speaker 2>The gap, so it's a lot of improv.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd argue that Larry's doing a lot of acting here, Well, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would say, if it's not gonna win anything for writing,

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<v Speaker 2>that only strengthens Larry's argument for actor because he's doing

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<v Speaker 2>it on the flyoff. And on top of this, Susie

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the greatest television characters of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that she never never won is insane to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just this show has been so historically snubbed, and

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<v Speaker 2>it blows my mind because Seinfeld was so loved.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, The Office has won five Emmy Awards, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know who never won one, Steve Carrell.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Here, Here's what I'll say. I think that Curb

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<v Speaker 2>is superior to the Office, but I think that Steve

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<v Speaker 2>Carell's Michael Scott is probably maybe Walter White, but probably

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<v Speaker 2>the best character in television history. And it's insane to me,

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<v Speaker 2>especially after you saw the effects that he had on

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<v Speaker 2>the show when he left, that he never they should

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<v Speaker 2>have went back and gave gave him award for one

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<v Speaker 2>of those first seven seasons because the show falls off

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<v Speaker 2>so drastically just removing that character. It blows my absolute

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<v Speaker 2>fucking mind that Steve Carell never won.

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<v Speaker 1>I also, I'm trying to think of who was in

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<v Speaker 1>the acting category at that time. I know that Alec

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<v Speaker 1>Baldwin won a bunch for thirty Rock. Let's go that

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<v Speaker 1>thirty Rock.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty Rock didn't come out to what oh seven or

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to win?

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<v Speaker 2>The Office had already been out for a few years.

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<v Speaker 1>Winners Tony Shalub, So, first year the office is what

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<v Speaker 1>four five? So the next year Tony Shalub.

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<v Speaker 2>That was from Monk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Tony Shalub, Kelsey Grammer and John Lithgow like reign

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme upon the Don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Get me wrong, Monk's a decent show. But at a

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<v Speaker 2>certain point you can't just keep giving the same guy

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<v Speaker 2>the fucking award.

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky Gervais for extras, Okay, that's a fair one. Alec

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<v Speaker 1>Baldwin won two straight for Jack Donneghe is that seven

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<v Speaker 1>o eight? Yes, uh no, eight oh nine okay, And

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<v Speaker 1>then the next two went to I couldn't think of

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<v Speaker 1>his goddamn oh here bazinga, Jim Parson back to back.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Christ that show is insanely bad. That's a bad show,

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<v Speaker 2>but I digress. The fact that you give it to

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<v Speaker 2>Jack doneghe in another NBC sitcom over Michael Scott blows

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<v Speaker 2>my mind. But you know that those fart sniffing award

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<v Speaker 2>presenters love that. It's a parody of SNL and shows

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<v Speaker 2>like that, Where's Michael Scott? And yes, it isn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>the most original character because it's based off of Ricky

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<v Speaker 2>Gervais's character in The British Office. It just blows my

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<v Speaker 2>mind that you would look at those two NBC sitcoms

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<v Speaker 2>and not give it to Michael Scott and give it

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<v Speaker 2>to Jack Donneghe.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I do like. And Steve Carell was

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<v Speaker 1>not nominated in twenty twelve, he was no longer on

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<v Speaker 1>the Office. But you know who won in twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh John Cryer. And I'm not even a giant fan

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<v Speaker 1>of Two and a Half Men or that character, but

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<v Speaker 2>All right? Is that? So that just might be Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>And then finally a show that has won one Emmy

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<v Speaker 2>It's absolutely unbelievable. And were now like years into the

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<v Speaker 2>I just talked about Michael Scott, Larry David. He's on

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<v Speaker 2>aren't maybe that's the issue, and not have him nominated,

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<v Speaker 2>and then not even or not have them nominated, and

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's not nominated for either supporting or Maine because

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<v Speaker 2>now he's surely the main actor there.

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<v Speaker 1>Rules he's the fucking best. All right, Let's go on

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<v Speaker 1>to some shows that have not won the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>this episode is titled best shows to not win an Emmy,

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<v Speaker 1>So let's give the people what they came for. The

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<v Speaker 1>prior five minutes. Bullshit, unprofessional bullshit. It's horrible manure. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So a show that I loved, it only ran. It

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<v Speaker 1>had a chance to catch up on the newer stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but Party Down, which was a Stars comedy zero nominations

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Party Down's a blind spot for me. I am

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<v Speaker 2>aware of the show. I've never seen a single episode,

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<v Speaker 2>but everyone that talks about this show loves this show.

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<v Speaker 1>Love that show. The Wire. Have you ever heard of

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<v Speaker 1>The Wire?

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, if you don't say Breaking Badge the

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<v Speaker 2>What I would say about that is I think the

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<v Speaker 2>highs of Breaking bad are much higher than in the Wire. However,

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<v Speaker 2>I have never watched a show as well written, or

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<v Speaker 2>and that's even watching with hindsight. I watched it during COVID,

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<v Speaker 2>so it holds up well. It's one of the best

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<v Speaker 2>don't get me wrong. This was early HBO show days,

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<v Speaker 2>do now. I don't know how this didn't get nominated

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<v Speaker 2>for everything all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Mac, close your eyes for a second. Oh how many

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<v Speaker 1>nominations do you think The Wire got during its four

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<v Speaker 1>season run?

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<v Speaker 2>Five seasons?

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<v Speaker 1>Five season run? I need to catch up, but go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>I already saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more of a memory thing. Two two nominations insane,

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<v Speaker 1>and it lost both, one to mad Men and then

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<v Speaker 1>one to The Sopranos.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's always a good litmus test for me, is

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<v Speaker 2>how people feel about mad Men, because if you love

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<v Speaker 2>mad Men, I don't think I like you.

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<v Speaker 1>Mad Men got off to a real hot start, though

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<v Speaker 1>I really like the first season of mad Men, and

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<v Speaker 1>then as as John Ham, you know, dives more into

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<v Speaker 1>his depravity, I get get a little ickier. But then

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<v Speaker 1>once he finds his second wife, I like her until

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that show just never did it for me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and I get and that's that's a classic show that's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna win awards because it's a period piece and whatnot,

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<v Speaker 2>and the accuracy of all that shit obviously matters, and

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<v Speaker 2>it should. However, as far as drama went, I was

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<v Speaker 2>not intrigued by anything in that show.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, people that lived during that time fucking love that show.

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<v Speaker 2>They do, which it does tell you how well made

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<v Speaker 2>made it is.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you make any show about the nineties right now,

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<v Speaker 1>look at my thumbs. Mack, what am I doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Come? Who comes up?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't do that, guys. For people only listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast, I didn't come my pants.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way. The other note here, the wire lost to.

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<v Speaker 1>House in two thousand and five, is that what I have?

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<v Speaker 2>House? Lost a house? Are you ball sacking me? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>It lost a house and O five and then mad

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<v Speaker 1>Men Away House and then keep in mind for me,

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<v Speaker 1>keep in mind for nominations. This is during the time

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<v Speaker 2>House, house, fucking a house.

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<v Speaker 1>Beat the wires house, MD, Jesus, you could solve any problem. Yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had a cane. Let's go on to BoJack Horseman.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a show that I loved the first three

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<v Speaker 1>to four seasons of and then it just became horribly

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<v Speaker 1>depressing and I could not watch this cartoon anymore. It

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<v Speaker 1>has received three nominations in its lifetime and it's now done.

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<v Speaker 1>It's done six seasons. It was nominated for Best Animated

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<v Speaker 1>Program in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty. It somehow, this

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't even be allowed. In twenty nineteen, it lost to

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<v Speaker 1>The Simpsons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that doesn't make any fucking sense. I don't get

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<v Speaker 2>that Simpsons hasn't been good in twenty years. I will say,

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<v Speaker 2>you're other. Note on here, the other show lost to

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<v Speaker 2>Rick and Morty. Rick and Morty, in my mind, is

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<v Speaker 2>vastly superior to BoJack. But I do get the argument

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<v Speaker 2>for what BoJack's going.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in twenty twenty, that's when Rick and Morty is

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<v Speaker 1>that its height very true. And then it also lost

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<v Speaker 1>for a voice acting performance by Kirsten Shall in twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Shaw is great.

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<v Speaker 1>I will admit that she's amazing. Okay, this show right

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<v Speaker 1>here possibly the best sketch comedy show of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>It only had a very short run two and a

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<v Speaker 1>half seasons. But Chappelle's show got three nominations. It was

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<v Speaker 1>nominated for Outstanding Variety Music or Comedy Series and then

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<v Speaker 1>Writing for Variety Music. But lost to the Daily Show.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the most popular comedy show on the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a shame that Chappelle or any of the

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<v Speaker 2>writers or anyone in that show never won anything. However,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, shine bright so quickly and then it died.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if it had come back, if he had

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<v Speaker 2>made that comeback, it was going to start winning stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It just never really gave itself the chance.

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<v Speaker 1>A show that is this the longest running live action

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<v Speaker 1>show of all time, now, live action sitcom of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I'm not sure you would know.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it is so starting in twenty oh five,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still running right now. It's always sunny in Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 1>Has only been nominated three times in its run, and

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<v Speaker 1>all three nominations are for stunt coordination.

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<v Speaker 2>And I believe they never got nominated until after they

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<v Speaker 2>had an whole episode talking about Yeah, they had never

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<v Speaker 2>been nominated, and that was Everybody Loves the Louis five

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, six years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone loves the show Louis, but they hate them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do. And it's almost better that this show

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't won, because it's always been the underdog. And I

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<v Speaker 2>do love this show. It is funny it is. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a show that I do understand why critics wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>nominate for anything. However, if the general public jen pop

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<v Speaker 2>was voting on stuff, this would have won numerous times.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's go back to five. It has lost to

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody Loves Raymond. First off, That tells you how long

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<v Speaker 1>this show has been on the air. Right, It lost

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<v Speaker 1>to Everybody Loves Raymond? The Office, thirty Rock multiple times,

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<v Speaker 1>Modern Family multiple times, Deep multiple times, The Marvelous Missus

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<v Speaker 1>masl F Shit's Creek, Ted Lasso, and The Bear.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say I prefer The Office over it. I

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<v Speaker 2>prefer Veep over it. Shit's Creek might be a toss up.

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<v Speaker 2>So it is losing the shows that are mostly deserving.

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<v Speaker 2>I've actually I always enjoyed Modern Family, going back and

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<v Speaker 2>rewatching Modern Family, I really like that show too. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mind it losing to that either. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>just a tough cop. No.

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<v Speaker 1>But you could also look at like like, why isn't

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlyn Olson or why isn't like maybe I understand, like well,

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<v Speaker 1>but later Rob mcelhaney stuff could possibly be put up there,

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<v Speaker 1>or Danny DeVito as supporting actor Charlie day is supporting actor.

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<v Speaker 2>And especially if none If you guys have never looked

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<v Speaker 2>at the Emmys website, there are awards for a thousand

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<v Speaker 2>things every year, and the fact that it couldn't win

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<v Speaker 2>one thing is mind blowing.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, this next two I have no notes on.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even have the nominations for the second note

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<v Speaker 1>for the second show. But it boggles my mind that

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<v Speaker 1>the Bob Knew Show and then New Heart. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is six seasons and then eight seasons, so fourteen years

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<v Speaker 1>of Bob Newhart being on sitcom television no Emmy wins.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really fucking weird to think about how often it

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<v Speaker 2>is referenced or ripped off by award winning shows and

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<v Speaker 2>even by critics who are reviewing other shows, and the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that it never was awarded anything. It doesn't make

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of sense because New Heart is the inspiration

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of things in today's shows in over

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<v Speaker 2>the last twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>But also like television studios liked the Bob Newhart Show

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<v Speaker 1>so much that they said, let's do the exact same thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but for eight years this time.

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<v Speaker 2>For even longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the next show is I think one of your

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<v Speaker 2>So this show, the first four seasons are awesome and

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<v Speaker 2>then it slowly, slowly beat you up the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the way. But the first four seasons of Sons of

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<v Speaker 2>Anarchy is what we're talking about, are pretty pretty great. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I do believe that Katie Sagal won a Golden Globe

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<v Speaker 1>for this. By the way, these shows might have won

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Globes, we only care about Emmy's right now. We're

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<v Speaker 1>taking down the establishment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, some of these have won Globes and SAgs. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking specific Emmys.

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<v Speaker 1>So Sons of Anarchy has only had five nominations, and

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty oh nine.

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<v Speaker 2>The funny part is most the four of these five

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<v Speaker 2>nominations came when the show kind of got bad. The

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<v Speaker 1>Time, almost like a legacy of like, hey, thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>your prior work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. Yeah, I if no one knows the story, I

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00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:49.759
<v Speaker 2>actually stopped watching Sons of Aaronarchy. Believe it's five episodes

424
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<v Speaker 2>into season five when it's something very significant happens. When

425
00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:55.599
<v Speaker 2>at the end of season four they don't kill a

426
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<v Speaker 2>certain character, and then they go and kill my favorite

427
00:20:57.559 --> 00:21:00.000
<v Speaker 2>character at the beginning of season five. Really pissed me off,

428
00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:02.279
<v Speaker 2>and it really showed you what they were gonna do.

429
00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:05.160
<v Speaker 2>They were gonna keep making episodes just basically for money,

430
00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:06.640
<v Speaker 2>is what I felt like, and that's really what ended

431
00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:08.880
<v Speaker 2>up happening. So they get ended up running nine seasons,

432
00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:10.960
<v Speaker 2>and I would say there's more bad than good, really,

433
00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:13.880
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, the first four seasons are pretty great.

434
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, a show that I know you can't really get through.

435
00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:20.599
<v Speaker 1>But if you're talking about comedy sitcoms in the twenty tens,

436
00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:25.000
<v Speaker 1>New Girl did it for seven years, and Max Greenfield,

437
00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:27.279
<v Speaker 1>although he was nominated once, maybe should have got a

438
00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:27.960
<v Speaker 1>little more love.

439
00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Max Greenfield, to me, is the funniest part of the

440
00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:33.200
<v Speaker 2>show by the miles. So I agree with you wholeheartedly there.

441
00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:36.480
<v Speaker 2>This is not a show I dislike. This is just

442
00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:40.119
<v Speaker 2>a show that has repeatedly been over sold to me.

443
00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:42.519
<v Speaker 2>So a couple times I've tried to watch it, I

444
00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:45.279
<v Speaker 2>just it doesn't it doesn't quite jive with what people say,

445
00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:46.640
<v Speaker 2>so I just stopped watching.

446
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<v Speaker 1>That's all five nominations, and I'm also although Zoe Deschanel,

447
00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:53.440
<v Speaker 1>she was nomed. But this is also during a time

448
00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:56.640
<v Speaker 1>where Tina Fay is still going for thirty Rock, Amy

449
00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:58.799
<v Speaker 1>Pohlar is going for Parks and rec and we'll get

450
00:21:58.839 --> 00:22:03.279
<v Speaker 1>to Amy Pohler in a second, and Julia Louis Dreyfus

451
00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:04.880
<v Speaker 1>soon will be doing Veep.

452
00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:07.920
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, fucked, no real shot.

453
00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:11.759
<v Speaker 1>There a show that I loved on HBO and it

454
00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:13.720
<v Speaker 1>was only on there for two years and it did

455
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<v Speaker 1>get nine nominations, so credit to them there, but never won.

456
00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:18.640
<v Speaker 1>The Flight of the Concords.

457
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is just a show that's off the beaten

458
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<v Speaker 2>path that I don't even think anyone would be upset

459
00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:25.160
<v Speaker 2>it never won because it was never that popular. But

460
00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:28.160
<v Speaker 2>it's certainly one of those shows that if someone you fight,

461
00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:31.000
<v Speaker 2>this is the opposite to me talk about litmus test

462
00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:33.240
<v Speaker 2>for mad Men. If I find out someone likes Flight

463
00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:34.680
<v Speaker 2>of the Concords, immediately.

464
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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna talk to you.

465
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and if you want me to, I'd make love

467
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<v Speaker 1>with you. That's why I loved that first Muppet movie

468
00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:44.000
<v Speaker 1>that came out in twenty eleven, because it was all

469
00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Brett mackenzie music.

470
00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:47.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it sounded just like flying.

471
00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:49.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, this is just Flight of the Concords, but

472
00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:54.839
<v Speaker 1>with muppets, this is fantastic. Another show that I watched

473
00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:57.559
<v Speaker 1>way too much of you sure did. I did, And

474
00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:00.599
<v Speaker 1>it was nominated eight times, and it's sick for seven

475
00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:04.960
<v Speaker 1>season run. And that is Empire, Fox's Empire. And while

476
00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:08.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't think the show deserves an Emmy, or really

477
00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:12.640
<v Speaker 1>most of the cast deserves an Emmy. Taraji p Henson

478
00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:15.680
<v Speaker 1>was great on the show and she was nommed twice.

479
00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:18.240
<v Speaker 1>But give Taraji a little love.

480
00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:20.839
<v Speaker 2>I love me some Taraji p Henson. I give Taraji

481
00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:23.160
<v Speaker 2>love all the time, just behind and closing your mind.

482
00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I get it. A show that's still on the

483
00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:29.160
<v Speaker 1>air started at nineteen ninety nine. It's not a sitcom,

484
00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:31.960
<v Speaker 1>but it is animated. It has been nominated ten times.

485
00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:34.000
<v Speaker 1>And that is SpongeBob square Pants.

486
00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Now, don't get me wrong, I haven't watched an episode

487
00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:39.039
<v Speaker 2>of SpongeBob in maybe fifteen years, but there are some

488
00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:42.559
<v Speaker 2>pretty amazing and significant episodes of SpongeBob that I am

489
00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:46.319
<v Speaker 2>stunned hasn't garnered it an Emmy win. And the show

490
00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:49.000
<v Speaker 2>is so significant in general. Yeah, I'm surprised it hasn't

491
00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:50.599
<v Speaker 2>gotten a legacy win at this point.

492
00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Not only that, like, there's so many episodes that I

493
00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:56.240
<v Speaker 1>could sit down with I could find funny, and then

494
00:23:56.359 --> 00:23:59.960
<v Speaker 1>my son who's four could also find funny. A teenager

495
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:01.200
<v Speaker 1>also find funny.

496
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:03.680
<v Speaker 2>YEP, I totally agree. It's it's actually kind of mind

497
00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:07.480
<v Speaker 2>blowing that SpongeBob has not won and only ten nams

498
00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:09.160
<v Speaker 2>over twenty five years. That's insane.

499
00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:14.559
<v Speaker 1>Nominated thirteen times nineteen sixty six through nineteen sixty nine,

500
00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:16.279
<v Speaker 1>The og Star Trek.

501
00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's kind of isn't that kind of weird

502
00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:22.079
<v Speaker 2>that for time and place and being as like new

503
00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:24.039
<v Speaker 2>sci fi thing, that it didn't win anything.

504
00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Like some kind of like prop design or something like.

505
00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:28.000
<v Speaker 1>I understand maybe not acting or something, but.

506
00:24:28.519 --> 00:24:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Right, and maybe they didn't have as many many awards

507
00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:32.839
<v Speaker 2>back then, but that is a little bizarre and.

508
00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Never won stage design, stunt coordination, something like that. I

509
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:40.039
<v Speaker 1>never really watched The Good Place? Did you watch The

510
00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:40.559
<v Speaker 1>Good Place?

511
00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:43.559
<v Speaker 2>So I've watched the first season The Good Place, and

512
00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:48.920
<v Speaker 2>it's one of those shows that, unfortunately, it feels really telegraphed.

513
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.079
<v Speaker 2>I know, there's this whole big twist ending the season one.

514
00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:55.079
<v Speaker 2>It's just I don't know, it's not lazy I'm not

515
00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:57.960
<v Speaker 2>calling it lazy, it's just any I felt like anyone

516
00:24:58.039 --> 00:25:00.160
<v Speaker 2>that has watched a good amount of TV could tell

517
00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:01.240
<v Speaker 2>where this show is going.

518
00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:05.039
<v Speaker 1>It has been nominated or was nominated thirteen times. Never won.

519
00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:08.200
<v Speaker 1>A show that was nominated fourteen times and never picked

520
00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:12.880
<v Speaker 1>up a single Emmy is Parks in Recreation that ran

521
00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:17.160
<v Speaker 1>from nine to fifteen. And I think it really just

522
00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:19.640
<v Speaker 1>has more to do with bad timing, because you could

523
00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:22.920
<v Speaker 1>also say it was never the best comedy on television,

524
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:24.960
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think you could really argue that because

525
00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:28.000
<v Speaker 1>when it started out, Thirty Rock was still dominating, The

526
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Office was still on, and then it ran during Modern

527
00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:34.240
<v Speaker 1>Families fucking dominance and then Veep.

528
00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that really is tough timing. And I think Parks

529
00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:40.440
<v Speaker 2>and Recreation is one of those shows that actually got

530
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:45.440
<v Speaker 2>more popular via streaming, upon rewatches and people really figuring

531
00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:47.559
<v Speaker 2>out how much they had either missed or how much

532
00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:50.599
<v Speaker 2>they underrated it. That show. But I will say when

533
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:54.759
<v Speaker 2>you compare it to those shows Modern Family, Veep, The Office,

534
00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:59.119
<v Speaker 2>and Thirty Rock, I think Parks and RECs peak is

535
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:02.079
<v Speaker 2>much shorter than those shows. It's got like two and

536
00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:04.960
<v Speaker 2>a half seasons that are really great and then the

537
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:07.240
<v Speaker 2>outside of those two and a half aren't so great,

538
00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:08.440
<v Speaker 2>so that hurts it as well.

539
00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because Amy Poehler did get numbed a bunch of times,

540
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.960
<v Speaker 1>but so I believe she lost to maybe Tina Fey,

541
00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:18.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe Julie Bowen or something like that. And then once

542
00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:20.559
<v Speaker 1>Julia Louis Dreyfe has started to win, that was it.

543
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

544
00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:25.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now let's get to the show that was nominated

545
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:30.759
<v Speaker 1>fifty three times and never won a god damn thing.

546
00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:35.680
<v Speaker 1>And yes, it is a spin off. But some might

547
00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:38.559
<v Speaker 1>say that it's better than the original show, and that

548
00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:39.640
<v Speaker 1>is better call Saul.

549
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Some people would make that argument. I would not. However,

550
00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I would make the argument of the final two seasons

551
00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:51.400
<v Speaker 2>are of Breaking Bad. Quality is this is insane to

552
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:55.200
<v Speaker 2>me that a show being this well written, this well acted,

553
00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:59.359
<v Speaker 2>this thrilling could never win an Emmy and it's seven

554
00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:02.079
<v Speaker 2>eight years on screen. I think it was seven seasons total.

555
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Not only was Bob Odenkirk one of the best characters

556
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:08.920
<v Speaker 2>on television for a long time, Breaking Bad included this

557
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:13.079
<v Speaker 2>show was phenomenal. It introduces ray A Seahorn as his

558
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:15.599
<v Speaker 2>love interest in the show, who's also great, and she

559
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:19.359
<v Speaker 2>does an unbelievable job. She goes Tit for tat with Odinkirk.

560
00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:21.640
<v Speaker 2>But the one that really stole it to me and

561
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:23.200
<v Speaker 2>the one that I thought they would finally get over

562
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.400
<v Speaker 2>the hump for is Tony Dalton plays Lolo Salamanca in

563
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:28.960
<v Speaker 2>the final tool seasons and a little bit in season

564
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:33.200
<v Speaker 2>five as well. I don't know how he like. To me,

565
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:35.359
<v Speaker 2>he was the best character on the show for two seasons,

566
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:38.680
<v Speaker 2>and even when you consider the whole Breaking Bad universe,

567
00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:41.519
<v Speaker 2>besides Gus, you could argue he was the best character

568
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:44.279
<v Speaker 2>in the whole Breaking Bad universe. So it's absolutely fucking

569
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:46.839
<v Speaker 2>mind blowing to me that he didn't win an Emmy.

570
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.680
<v Speaker 2>He was nominated for SAG Best Supporting Actor Award, he

571
00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:52.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't eve get nominated for an Emmy. Go, that's just

572
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:55.519
<v Speaker 2>that's insane to me, And that's what really told me

573
00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:57.680
<v Speaker 2>that this show is never gonna win an Emmy. When

574
00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:01.119
<v Speaker 2>he never got nominated. Was that's insane, absolutely insane. I mean,

575
00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:04.079
<v Speaker 2>this show, this show is an all time great show.

576
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:06.680
<v Speaker 2>It may be a step or a half step below

577
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Breaking Bad, but when a show is that good for

578
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.279
<v Speaker 2>that long and for it to get better as the seasons,

579
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.440
<v Speaker 2>when it went along as not a lot of shows do.

580
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:16.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how it doesn't win. I don't know

581
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:18.240
<v Speaker 2>how it does it get a Legacy Award at the end.

582
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Either you ready for this? It lost for Best Drama

583
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:26.279
<v Speaker 1>Series two Game of Thrones season six, fair enough, the

584
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:28.680
<v Speaker 1>handsmade tail, Handmade's tail.

585
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:29.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

586
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:31.759
<v Speaker 1>When I first wrote this, I accidentally wrote t A

587
00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:33.799
<v Speaker 1>I L. And I'm like, that'd be a funny series.

588
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:37.759
<v Speaker 1>Game of throwne season seven.

589
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:40.559
<v Speaker 2>Now that's the second to last season, so.

590
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>You're catching me. Then it lost to season eight of

591
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Game of Thrones, Insane, the one that most people don't like.

592
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's insane.

593
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:57.599
<v Speaker 1>Succession the Crown. I do know, Yeah, Succession, Succession.

594
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Listen. Succession is good. It's a good show. Better call

595
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:03.759
<v Speaker 2>Saul is better. It's a better show. It's more thrilling,

596
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:06.359
<v Speaker 2>there's more things going on, there's more moving parts. And

597
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:08.599
<v Speaker 2>I get, yes, it is a quote unquote spinoff, and

598
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe that's what just hurt this forever. But for it

599
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.279
<v Speaker 2>to lose three times to Game of Thrones and three

600
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:16.559
<v Speaker 2>times to Succession, that makes no sense.

601
00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>You couldn't find, you know, a little spot for it.

602
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I'll let people argue that Game of Thrones is better

603
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.640
<v Speaker 2>the way better call sall finishes on the highest of highs.

604
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:27.119
<v Speaker 2>To me, that would make it superior. But again, I

605
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.400
<v Speaker 2>never watched Game of Thrones, so that maybe maybe you

606
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.279
<v Speaker 2>can decide that. I just don't know how it doesn't

607
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:32.839
<v Speaker 2>get one, doesn't sneak one in there.

608
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.720
<v Speaker 1>Bob Odenkirk in the years that he was nominated lost

609
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:40.880
<v Speaker 1>two Ronnie Mallick and Mister Robot, Sterling k Brown and

610
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:46.759
<v Speaker 1>This is Us, Billy Porter in Poe's, Jeremy Strong in succession,

611
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Lee Jong in squid Game, and Kieran Culkin in succession.

612
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:55.559
<v Speaker 2>So you can give two succession guys an award, and

613
00:29:55.599 --> 00:30:01.519
<v Speaker 2>you can't give Odinkirk one. I mean stelling Brown every

614
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:03.200
<v Speaker 2>time he's nominated, I feel like he's gonna win something,

615
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:05.000
<v Speaker 2>and he probably deserves it every time. I'm not upset

616
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:05.400
<v Speaker 2>about that.

617
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:07.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean he was the main reason to watch This

618
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:07.599
<v Speaker 1>is Us.

619
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've never seen Poe. I'm sure Billy Porter was great, obviously,

620
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.599
<v Speaker 2>squid Wayne Squid Game took the world by Skier Grammy

621
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Malick was decent in the first season of Mister Robot.

622
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:22.279
<v Speaker 2>I will admit that. But Bobo and kirk Man fuck God.

623
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:24.319
<v Speaker 1>And then ray A Seahorn In the two years that

624
00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:27.759
<v Speaker 1>she was nominated for Supporting Actress, she lost to Julia

625
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Gardner in Ozark. Yeah, and then Jennifer Coolidge in White Lotus.

626
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:37.599
<v Speaker 2>By the way, the fact that ray Seahorn was only

627
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.160
<v Speaker 2>nominated twice as a travesty as well. She looked so

628
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:41.640
<v Speaker 2>good throughout the whole series.

629
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.640
<v Speaker 1>I love Jennifer Coolidge, but it's all kind of a joke, right, yeah?

630
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Do we need to give White Lotus an award?

631
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:50.799
<v Speaker 1>White Lotus won a bunch of awards.

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<v Speaker 2>All right? Do we need to give Jennifer Coolidge an

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<v Speaker 2>acting award for White Lotus? Do we? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I like her. She you know, she wanted a hot

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<v Speaker 1>dog real bad.

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<v Speaker 2>So frustrating. Let's get into.

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<v Speaker 1>Mac Sack and mack sac could be anything. It could

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<v Speaker 1>be a boat. And I wrote down the question. It

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<v Speaker 1>was real simple. I said, mac Agatha and the Penguin

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<v Speaker 1>are starting right now, and what are you watching on television?

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<v Speaker 1>And you went ahead and did a bunch of notes

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<v Speaker 1>so you can tell me what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. Yeah. First of all, part of the impetus for

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<v Speaker 2>this episode was Agatha and Penguin kicking off this week.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm certainly more looking forward to Penguin, but there have

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<v Speaker 2>been some real positive reports in Agatha, so I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>forward to both, and I'm looking forward to catching them

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<v Speaker 2>each and every week for the next I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what eight weeks however, one weeks. But I figured, well,

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<v Speaker 2>this will use this as an opportunity to take a

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<v Speaker 2>quick history, quick history lesson, quick trip down memory lane

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<v Speaker 2>for Marvel shows Patty Emmys. Yeah, and this is pretty interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>So just real quick, there was obviously Marvel shows on

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<v Speaker 2>network network television before Netflix. We had Agents of Shield

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<v Speaker 2>that did get two nominations for Outstanding Visual Effects, didn't win.

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<v Speaker 2>We get to the Netflix shows, Go Daredevil, Jefs Jones,

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<v Speaker 2>Luke Cage, Ironfist, The Defenders, and The Punisher. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>there was actually a couple of wins in here. None

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<v Speaker 2>for Daredevil. Daredevil was nomb five.

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<v Speaker 1>This is crazy because the hallway scene and the stairway scene,

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<v Speaker 1>stunt coordination come.

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<v Speaker 2>On and again the Emmys they give out awards for

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<v Speaker 2>like singular episodes too, so that's also another reason to

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<v Speaker 2>height to highlight how how that didn't win anything. Jess

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<v Speaker 2>Jones was nominated three times, did win but it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a bullshit one. It one for Outstanding Original Main

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<v Speaker 2>Title Theme Music, so sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But we've already won that three times.

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<v Speaker 2>Luke Cage. One for one Outstanding Stunt Coordination for a

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<v Speaker 2>Drama Series, Limited Series or Movie. Clearly, no nominations for

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<v Speaker 2>Iron Fists, that's not surprising, one nomination for The Defenders,

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<v Speaker 2>one nomination for The Punisher, but overall, two wins for

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<v Speaker 2>the Netflix shows, and uh yeah, I think that sounds

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<v Speaker 2>about right. Those were all solid. I think people really

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<v Speaker 2>really like Daredevil, and a lot of people really like

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<v Speaker 2>Just Jones, but that's not totally surprising, and they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>last forever, so no chance at a legacy award on

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<v Speaker 2>to Disney. Plus WandaVision was twenty twenty, right, I believe

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<v Speaker 2>that happened pandemic Yeah, yeah, so WandaVision kicks it off

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<v Speaker 2>real hot. Twenty three nominations go for WandaVision, And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not the biggest WandaVision fan, but I recognize why critics

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<v Speaker 2>would love this show, especially the first four episodes of

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<v Speaker 2>the show. It ended up with three Emmy wins for

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<v Speaker 2>Outstanding Fantasy Sci Fi Costumes, Outstanding Original Music and Lyrics,

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<v Speaker 2>for Agatha all Along and Outstanding Production Design for a

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<v Speaker 2>Narrative Program half hour. I guess they differentiate between a

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<v Speaker 2>full hour and half hour. Falcon and went to Soldier

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<v Speaker 2>got five norms, no wins, Loki nine norms, no wins,

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<v Speaker 2>Hawkeye two noms, no wins, Moonnight eight nominations and did win.

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<v Speaker 2>Got a win for Outstanding Sound Editing, Miss Marvel four norms,

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<v Speaker 2>one win Outstanding Motion Design, She Helped no norms, Secret

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<v Speaker 2>Invasion no norms. Those were back to back. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>tough stretch. So if you're counting at home, that's now

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<v Speaker 2>three Marvel shows. She Hulks, Secret Invasion, and Iron Frist

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<v Speaker 2>did not get any norms, and somehow, some way Echo

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<v Speaker 2>squeaked out a nomination.

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<v Speaker 1>How what was it for?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I didn't care.

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<v Speaker 1>Good research.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to include what if in there. It

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<v Speaker 2>did get three nominations, and we did get one win.

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<v Speaker 2>That was for Chadwick Boseman for Outstanding Character Voiceover Performance,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was awarded posthumously to him, So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that did play a little bit in it. So Insummation

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<v Speaker 2>Free Shows didn't receive a nomination out of the fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>or sixteen, we talked about Iron Fish, She Helps Secret Invasion.

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<v Speaker 2>The only show to win more than one Emmy was WandaVision.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a little surprising, but zero acting awards unless

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<v Speaker 2>you want to include Bozeman's voice acting win for what If.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a little surprising, which means that tells you I

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<v Speaker 2>think Marvel's TV shows still has something to shoot for.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, as successful as WandaVision was, they're still shooting

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<v Speaker 2>for something. So maybe that bodes well for the future.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you want to talk DC shows, because the

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<v Speaker 2>Penguin's upcoming Peacemaker got one nomination, how about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Batman the animated series actually one for Outstanding Animated Series.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>So you want that top in my head?

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<v Speaker 2>You want?

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<v Speaker 1>have any more.

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<v Speaker 1>Where can the people find us?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Alexa pay Macngo Movie Club on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 1>Give it a second. If you're on YouTube right now,

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<v Speaker 1>thumbs up, like subscribe. Do you know where all the

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<v Speaker 1>buttons are?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think the subscribe is below me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on YouTube a lot, and I have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>where any of the buttons are.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's the lower right of the videos.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this way, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, we're on pointing over here.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like a weatherman scenario. I don't know which

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<v Speaker 1>way the country is behind me, So so do that

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<v Speaker 1>leave a nice comment please. Also, news dump at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of next week, and then I'm not sure what

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing at the end of next week, but the

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<v Speaker 1>people want oc tierber back, so we've already gotten one

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<v Speaker 1>tweet about it, so lock Tiber might be on its

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<v Speaker 1>way back.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. That's one vote for oc Tiber, zero votes

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<v Speaker 2>for everything. Else, So we just need two tweets. Two

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<v Speaker 2>tweets will get you the win.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all we need. That's all we need, So check

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<v Speaker 1>us out next week. Tuesdays are Goose Days, I Abuse Kangaroos,

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<v Speaker 1>Tie Burton.

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<v Speaker 2>Please flip the cassette over to side B to continue

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<v Speaker 2>the adventure.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's time for girls jumping on trampolines.