Speaker 1: Mac. I heard a great would you rather? Oh really
Speaker 1: the Jones and Keith Show today Now, of course be
Speaker 1: invented that. We invented everything that has ever been done
Speaker 1: on podcasts or on radio. H it's the future of radio,
Speaker 1: you jabronis. But the question was would you rather be
Speaker 1: a were wolf or a dracula?
Speaker 2: So to me, there's a there's a clear answer here,
Speaker 2: but I have to consider so instantly in is werewolf?
Speaker 2: But really with where Yeah, with werewolf you don't really
Speaker 2: get into extra curriculars, no real powers. You know, if
Speaker 2: you're a dracula, you get some powers. There's like a
Speaker 2: power set there, so that is intriguing. However, if you're
Speaker 2: a dracula, there's a lot of like weaknesses and it
Speaker 2: affects you every day, whereas if you're a were wolf,
Speaker 2: you're just really dealing with the transformation like once a month.
Speaker 1: Couple of times I was gonna say, how is your
Speaker 1: pain tolerance? Because what is it? Every thirty ish days
Speaker 1: we have the full moon? Sure, transforming into a werewolf
Speaker 1: that is very, very painful. We've seen that many of times.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it is or not. I can't
Speaker 2: say that with certainty. I would say, so I just
Speaker 2: know that, I would say at least once a month.
Speaker 2: I'm already waking up in a blur and not knowing
Speaker 2: where I fell asleep, so I'm sort of accustomed to that.
Speaker 2: So I'd fall into the werewolf life pretty easily. I
Speaker 2: feel like waking up new in like a park obviously
Speaker 2: wouldn't be great, but also I would rather deal with
Speaker 2: the ramifications of that than like never being able to
Speaker 2: go out in the sun. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, if you're a werewolf, don't you have memory loss
Speaker 1: of what you did as the werewolf? You could have
Speaker 1: some blood on your hands.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, because at some point you end
Speaker 2: up with like a professor health situation.
Speaker 1: Right now, are you telling me that all the werewolves
Speaker 1: are lying? I don't remember that.
Speaker 2: Kid. At some point you can sort of maybe become one.
Speaker 2: Remember that show on MTV like a decade ago or
Speaker 2: was it something with teen Wolf might have been called
Speaker 2: teen Wolf. I think they could actively turn into were
Speaker 2: wolves in that show. So I think it's some point
Speaker 2: maybe you harness that it isn't just a full moon thing.
Speaker 2: But I think there's more that can go wrong with
Speaker 2: Dracula than there is with werewolf, So I go were wolf.
Speaker 1: But does being a werewolf get you laid?
Speaker 2: No? I think you could. You're You're more fuckable as
Speaker 2: a dracula for sure.
Speaker 1: One good three?
Speaker 2: Yeah, job three, King of Queen, Marl Street.
Speaker 1: Entertain Goo and I am Mac and we are the
Speaker 1: Mac and Goo program. We bring you friendship.
Speaker 2: Yup, and today we are bringing you U some disappointment
Speaker 2: amongst uh uh goo and ay. As friends, we're gonna
Speaker 2: be talking about uh television programs that have been notoriously
Speaker 2: snubbed at the Emmys. Of course, the Yemmys were this
Speaker 2: last week, and you and I knew all about them.
Speaker 2: That's why we're doing it after the Emmys, not before
Speaker 2: the Emmys.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, this is either a very timely
Speaker 1: podcast or we should have done it two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: A week ago. But like we said in our last
Speaker 1: news dump, we thought that they were announcing Emmy nominations
Speaker 1: on Sunday. We didn't realize it was the actual Emmys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, we just missed the boat on that.
Speaker 2: And again we did talk about it a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago as well. It's been a relatively light year
Speaker 2: for TV, so maybe we're just not in touch with
Speaker 2: television this year. But that said, historically, we're very in
Speaker 2: touch with television historically, Big TV guy not so much
Speaker 2: these days.
Speaker 1: Now I've fallen out of love. No, I'm sorry I
Speaker 1: have I've not fallen out of love. I have no time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you used to be the TV guy of the program,
Speaker 2: and now I think I watched more TV than you do.
Speaker 1: You know what I used to love was multitasking, playing
Speaker 1: a nice game of Madden while watching a sitcom?
Speaker 2: Is that why you sucked at Madden?
Speaker 1: I don't really good rank in Madden twelve, which one
Speaker 1: had Drew Brees on the cover.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, maybe in that range.
Speaker 1: I had an amazing online rank in that. So you
Speaker 1: can go ahead and bite your tongue, goude.
Speaker 2: How do you want to kick this off? Do you
Speaker 2: want to talk.
Speaker 1: About let me? Should I cite my sources? Because everyone
Speaker 1: cares about sources these days. So I went through Indie Wire,
Speaker 1: TV Line, Collider, Yahoo, and I went ham on the
Speaker 1: Emmy's website. Of I just started typing in any show
Speaker 1: that I could think of, and I got all these results.
Speaker 2: You know, it's way easier than all that just going
Speaker 2: to the show on IMDb and it lists all the
Speaker 2: nominations that the show has.
Speaker 1: You can do the exact same thing on the Emmy's website, okay,
Speaker 1: and it also tells you who was nominated for certain
Speaker 1: things every year. It's a little bit easier. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it is, so what I want to start
Speaker 1: with before we get to the let's call them fucking losers. Sure,
Speaker 1: here are some that also pop out to me as
Speaker 1: like we've gotten a little more love and Late Night
Speaker 1: with Conan O'Brien. Now, I am talking about the twelve
Speaker 1: thirty program on NBC, not the one that where he
Speaker 1: went to eleven or when he went to TBS.
Speaker 2: This was the great one which ran from roughly what
Speaker 2: ninety three to like eight.
Speaker 1: I think it was eight or seven, but it was
Speaker 1: nominated twenty eight times. It won one Emmy for Outstanding
Speaker 1: Writing for a Variety Music or Comedy Program. That happened
Speaker 1: in twenty oh seven.
Speaker 2: What year did Kimmel get the Late night show on ABC?
Speaker 1: Early two thousands? It might have been like four or five.
Speaker 2: There was a time early Kimmel and Late Conan where
Speaker 2: they were easily the two best at late night and
Speaker 2: they had just simply surpassed Letterman and Leno, and it
Speaker 2: was it felt like these award shows just failed to
Speaker 2: recognize that, and it was pretty frustrating because at least
Speaker 2: the youths were watching those two shows and the older
Speaker 2: folk were watching less well.
Speaker 1: But also, this award, this Outstanding Variety Music Comedy, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that you're also going up against The Daily
Speaker 1: Show every year, Yeah, which wins I think almost every
Speaker 1: single year. And I want to say that SNL falls
Speaker 1: into that too.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, yeah, you might be right about that.
Speaker 1: But either way, this is after Conan was named to
Speaker 1: the Tonight program. So I also feel like this was
Speaker 1: NBC being like, hey, here's an award because you're our
Speaker 1: new guy.
Speaker 2: Hm, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: It might be a little bit of pain your dues
Speaker 1: if you will curb your enthusiasm one of your favorite shows,
Speaker 1: Mac your favorite? Is this your favorite comedy of all time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's this or The Office. I'd probably lean
Speaker 2: Curb Office number two.
Speaker 1: I'm about to go to the Office in a second, Yes, but.
Speaker 2: I would say Curb. I think Curb is the best
Speaker 2: comedy of all time, and I think it's the most
Speaker 2: consistent from beginning from season one to the final season,
Speaker 2: out of any comedy you could ever name it, I
Speaker 2: guess you could argue there's lulls in there, but it is.
Speaker 2: It's the most comedy that's ever been on television. And
Speaker 2: the fact that it never won, or the fact that
Speaker 2: Larry David, now I.
Speaker 1: Was gonna get to that, blows my mind. How many
Speaker 1: seasons is it? Thirteen?
Speaker 2: I think they just finished with their twelve or thirteen?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So it's been nominated fifty five times, and
Speaker 1: you know, miscellaneous awards and whatnot. It has won twice,
Speaker 1: one for a single cam directional show and then also
Speaker 1: a Directing Award two. Larry David has never won an
Speaker 1: Emmy for the show. Now I understand maybe why the
Speaker 1: show hasn't won for writing, because it's it's like loosely
Speaker 1: written correct and then they kind of fill in.
Speaker 2: The gap, so it's a lot of improv.
Speaker 1: You'd argue that Larry's doing a lot of acting here, Well, I.
Speaker 2: Would say, if it's not gonna win anything for writing,
Speaker 2: that only strengthens Larry's argument for actor because he's doing
Speaker 2: it on the flyoff. And on top of this, Susie
Speaker 2: is one of the greatest television characters of all time.
Speaker 2: The fact that she never never won is insane to me.
Speaker 2: It's just this show has been so historically snubbed, and
Speaker 2: it blows my mind because Seinfeld was so loved.
Speaker 1: Now, The Office has won five Emmy Awards, but you
Speaker 1: know who never won one, Steve Carrell.
Speaker 2: Now Here, Here's what I'll say. I think that Curb
Speaker 2: is superior to the Office, but I think that Steve
Speaker 2: Carell's Michael Scott is probably maybe Walter White, but probably
Speaker 2: the best character in television history. And it's insane to me,
Speaker 2: especially after you saw the effects that he had on
Speaker 2: the show when he left, that he never they should
Speaker 2: have went back and gave gave him award for one
Speaker 2: of those first seven seasons because the show falls off
Speaker 2: so drastically just removing that character. It blows my absolute
Speaker 2: fucking mind that Steve Carell never won.
Speaker 1: I also, I'm trying to think of who was in
Speaker 1: the acting category at that time. I know that Alec
Speaker 1: Baldwin won a bunch for thirty Rock. Let's go that
Speaker 1: thirty Rock.
Speaker 2: Thirty Rock didn't come out to what oh seven or
Speaker 2: oh eight?
Speaker 1: Do you want to win?
Speaker 2: The Office had already been out for a few years.
Speaker 1: Winners Tony Shalub, So, first year the office is what
Speaker 1: four five? So the next year Tony Shalub.
Speaker 2: That was from Monk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tony Shalub, Kelsey Grammer and John Lithgow like reign
Speaker 1: Supreme upon the Don't.
Speaker 2: Get me wrong, Monk's a decent show. But at a
Speaker 2: certain point you can't just keep giving the same guy
Speaker 2: the fucking award.
Speaker 1: Ricky Gervais for extras, Okay, that's a fair one. Alec
Speaker 1: Baldwin won two straight for Jack Donneghe is that seven
Speaker 1: o eight? Yes, uh no, eight oh nine okay, And
Speaker 1: then the next two went to I couldn't think of
Speaker 1: his goddamn oh here bazinga, Jim Parson back to back.
Speaker 2: Maybe Christ that show is insanely bad. That's a bad show,
Speaker 2: but I digress. The fact that you give it to
Speaker 2: Jack doneghe in another NBC sitcom over Michael Scott blows
Speaker 2: my mind. But you know that those fart sniffing award
Speaker 2: presenters love that. It's a parody of SNL and shows
Speaker 2: like that, Where's Michael Scott? And yes, it isn't necessarily
Speaker 2: the most original character because it's based off of Ricky
Speaker 2: Gervais's character in The British Office. It just blows my
Speaker 2: mind that you would look at those two NBC sitcoms
Speaker 2: and not give it to Michael Scott and give it
Speaker 2: to Jack Donneghe.
Speaker 1: You know what I do like. And Steve Carell was
Speaker 1: not nominated in twenty twelve, he was no longer on
Speaker 1: the Office. But you know who won in twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: Oh John Cryer. And I'm not even a giant fan
Speaker 1: of Two and a Half Men or that character, but
Speaker 1: you know what I like, John Cryer?
Speaker 2: All right? Is that? So that just might be Hey,
Speaker 2: Charlie Sheen went insane. Now we feel reward to pitch
Speaker 2: Charlie Sheen off.
Speaker 1: Thanks for sticking around, Bud, because.
Speaker 2: I think that's what it was. I think that was
Speaker 2: the first season after Charlie Sheen left YEP.
Speaker 1: And then finally a show that has won one Emmy
Speaker 1: and this is our favorite show that's on television right now,
Speaker 1: I would say, and that is The Boys. It has
Speaker 1: won one for stunt coordination. How has Anthony Starr not
Speaker 1: gotten any credit?
Speaker 2: It's absolutely unbelievable. And were now like years into the
Speaker 2: superhero show so it's not like they're brand new. You're
Speaker 2: gonna have to start to accept these as mainstream and
Speaker 2: Anthony Starr Anthony Starr, however, you say it's Anthony eight,
Speaker 2: so I'm sure it's just Anthony he is. I mean,
Speaker 2: I just talked about Michael Scott, Larry David. He's on
Speaker 2: the short list for Greatest Television Characters of all time,
Speaker 2: never mind in the last ten years, twenty years of
Speaker 2: all time. Every time he's on screen, he's easily the
Speaker 2: best character in the scene. It just I don't know
Speaker 2: how a critic could watch that show and maybe they
Speaker 2: aren't maybe that's the issue, and not have him nominated,
Speaker 2: and then not even or not have them nominated, and
Speaker 2: beyond that, not have him win for Best Actor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not nominated for either supporting or Maine because
Speaker 1: I was also a questioned is he a supporting actor?
Speaker 1: You look at maybe Carl Urbin or what's his name there,
Speaker 1: Little Hughey possibly as the main character.
Speaker 2: First season or two, you could argue he's supporting, but
Speaker 2: now he's surely the main actor there.
Speaker 1: Rules he's the fucking best. All right, Let's go on
Speaker 1: to some shows that have not won the ones that
Speaker 1: this episode is titled best shows to not win an Emmy,
Speaker 1: So let's give the people what they came for. The
Speaker 1: prior five minutes. Bullshit, unprofessional bullshit. It's horrible manure. Okay,
Speaker 1: So a show that I loved, it only ran. It
Speaker 1: ran for two seasons, then it came back. I haven't
Speaker 1: had a chance to catch up on the newer stuff,
Speaker 1: but Party Down, which was a Stars comedy zero nominations
Speaker 1: in its two season run, slash, I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: they've even counted the new stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Party Down's a blind spot for me. I am
Speaker 2: aware of the show. I've never seen a single episode,
Speaker 2: but everyone that talks about this show loves this show.
Speaker 1: Love that show. The Wire. Have you ever heard of
Speaker 1: The Wire?
Speaker 2: I would say, if you don't say Breaking Badge the
Speaker 2: greatest show of all time, you might say The Wire is.
Speaker 2: What I would say about that is I think the
Speaker 2: highs of Breaking bad are much higher than in the Wire. However,
Speaker 2: I have never watched a show as well written, or
Speaker 2: as deep or as leveled as the as The Wire was,
Speaker 2: and that's even watching with hindsight. I watched it during COVID,
Speaker 2: so it holds up well. It's one of the best
Speaker 2: acted series of all times. I do not know, and
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong. This was early HBO show days,
Speaker 2: so maybe they didn't have as much credit as they
Speaker 2: do now. I don't know how this didn't get nominated
Speaker 2: for everything all the time.
Speaker 1: Mac, close your eyes for a second. Oh how many
Speaker 1: nominations do you think The Wire got during its four
Speaker 1: season run?
Speaker 2: Five seasons?
Speaker 1: Five season run? I need to catch up, but go ahead.
Speaker 2: I already saw it.
Speaker 1: It's more of a memory thing. Two two nominations insane,
Speaker 1: and it lost both, one to mad Men and then
Speaker 1: one to The Sopranos.
Speaker 2: So that's always a good litmus test for me, is
Speaker 2: how people feel about mad Men, because if you love
Speaker 2: mad Men, I don't think I like you.
Speaker 1: Mad Men got off to a real hot start, though
Speaker 1: I really like the first season of mad Men, and
Speaker 1: then as as John Ham, you know, dives more into
Speaker 1: his depravity, I get get a little ickier. But then
Speaker 1: once he finds his second wife, I like her until
Speaker 1: I don't like her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that show just never did it for me. Okay,
Speaker 2: and I get and that's that's a classic show that's
Speaker 2: gonna win awards because it's a period piece and whatnot,
Speaker 2: and the accuracy of all that shit obviously matters, and
Speaker 2: it should. However, as far as drama went, I was
Speaker 2: not intrigued by anything in that show.
Speaker 1: Also, people that lived during that time fucking love that show.
Speaker 2: They do, which it does tell you how well made
Speaker 2: made it is.
Speaker 1: So if you make any show about the nineties right now,
Speaker 1: look at my thumbs. Mack, what am I doing?
Speaker 2: Come? Who comes up?
Speaker 1: I didn't do that, guys. For people only listening to
Speaker 1: the podcast, I didn't come my pants.
Speaker 2: By the way. The other note here, the wire lost to.
Speaker 1: House in two thousand and five, is that what I have?
Speaker 2: House? Lost a house? Are you ball sacking me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It lost a house and O five and then mad
Speaker 1: Men Away House and then keep in mind for me,
Speaker 1: keep in mind for nominations. This is during the time
Speaker 1: where Sopranos was cleaning up.
Speaker 2: House, house, fucking a house.
Speaker 1: Beat the wires house, MD, Jesus, you could solve any problem. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: and he had a cane. Let's go on to BoJack Horseman.
Speaker 1: This was a show that I loved the first three
Speaker 1: to four seasons of and then it just became horribly
Speaker 1: depressing and I could not watch this cartoon anymore. It
Speaker 1: has received three nominations in its lifetime and it's now done.
Speaker 1: It's done six seasons. It was nominated for Best Animated
Speaker 1: Program in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty. It somehow, this
Speaker 1: shouldn't even be allowed. In twenty nineteen, it lost to
Speaker 1: The Simpsons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't make any fucking sense. I don't get
Speaker 2: that Simpsons hasn't been good in twenty years. I will say,
Speaker 2: you're other. Note on here, the other show lost to
Speaker 2: Rick and Morty. Rick and Morty, in my mind, is
Speaker 2: vastly superior to BoJack. But I do get the argument
Speaker 2: for what BoJack's going.
Speaker 1: Also in twenty twenty, that's when Rick and Morty is
Speaker 1: that its height very true. And then it also lost
Speaker 1: for a voice acting performance by Kirsten Shall in twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Shaw is great.
Speaker 1: I will admit that she's amazing. Okay, this show right
Speaker 1: here possibly the best sketch comedy show of all time.
Speaker 1: It only had a very short run two and a
Speaker 1: half seasons. But Chappelle's show got three nominations. It was
Speaker 1: nominated for Outstanding Variety Music or Comedy Series and then
Speaker 1: Writing for Variety Music. But lost to the Daily Show.
Speaker 2: It was the most popular comedy show on the planet.
Speaker 2: And it's a shame that Chappelle or any of the
Speaker 2: writers or anyone in that show never won anything. However,
Speaker 2: like you said, shine bright so quickly and then it died.
Speaker 2: I think if it had come back, if he had
Speaker 2: made that comeback, it was going to start winning stuff.
Speaker 2: It just never really gave itself the chance.
Speaker 1: A show that is this the longest running live action
Speaker 1: show of all time, now, live action sitcom of all time.
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not sure you would know.
Speaker 1: I believe it is so starting in twenty oh five,
Speaker 1: it's still running right now. It's always sunny in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Has only been nominated three times in its run, and
Speaker 1: all three nominations are for stunt coordination.
Speaker 2: And I believe they never got nominated until after they
Speaker 2: had an whole episode talking about Yeah, they had never
Speaker 2: been nominated, and that was Everybody Loves the Louis five
Speaker 2: years ago, six years ago.
Speaker 1: Everyone loves the show Louis, but they hate them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. And it's almost better that this show
Speaker 2: hasn't won, because it's always been the underdog. And I
Speaker 2: do love this show. It is funny it is. This
Speaker 2: is a show that I do understand why critics wouldn't
Speaker 2: nominate for anything. However, if the general public jen pop
Speaker 2: was voting on stuff, this would have won numerous times.
Speaker 1: So let's go back to five. It has lost to
Speaker 1: Everybody Loves Raymond. First off, That tells you how long
Speaker 1: this show has been on the air. Right, It lost
Speaker 1: to Everybody Loves Raymond? The Office, thirty Rock multiple times,
Speaker 1: Modern Family multiple times, Deep multiple times, The Marvelous Missus
Speaker 1: masl F Shit's Creek, Ted Lasso, and The Bear.
Speaker 2: I will say I prefer The Office over it. I
Speaker 2: prefer Veep over it. Shit's Creek might be a toss up.
Speaker 2: So it is losing the shows that are mostly deserving.
Speaker 2: I've actually I always enjoyed Modern Family, going back and
Speaker 2: rewatching Modern Family, I really like that show too. No,
Speaker 2: I don't mind it losing to that either. So that's
Speaker 2: just a tough cop. No.
Speaker 1: But you could also look at like like, why isn't
Speaker 1: Caitlyn Olson or why isn't like maybe I understand, like well,
Speaker 1: but later Rob mcelhaney stuff could possibly be put up there,
Speaker 1: or Danny DeVito as supporting actor Charlie day is supporting actor.
Speaker 2: And especially if none If you guys have never looked
Speaker 2: at the Emmys website, there are awards for a thousand
Speaker 2: things every year, and the fact that it couldn't win
Speaker 2: one thing is mind blowing.
Speaker 1: All Right, this next two I have no notes on.
Speaker 1: I don't even have the nominations for the second note
Speaker 1: for the second show. But it boggles my mind that
Speaker 1: the Bob Knew Show and then New Heart. So this
Speaker 1: is six seasons and then eight seasons, so fourteen years
Speaker 1: of Bob Newhart being on sitcom television no Emmy wins.
Speaker 2: It's really fucking weird to think about how often it
Speaker 2: is referenced or ripped off by award winning shows and
Speaker 2: even by critics who are reviewing other shows, and the
Speaker 2: fact that it never was awarded anything. It doesn't make
Speaker 2: a lot of sense because New Heart is the inspiration
Speaker 2: for a lot of things in today's shows in over
Speaker 2: the last twenty years.
Speaker 1: But also like television studios liked the Bob Newhart Show
Speaker 1: so much that they said, let's do the exact same thing,
Speaker 1: but for eight years this time.
Speaker 2: For even longer.
Speaker 1: Yes, the next show is I think one of your
Speaker 1: favorites active this was on your top fifty television shows
Speaker 1: of all time questions.
Speaker 2: So this show, the first four seasons are awesome and
Speaker 2: then it slowly, slowly beat you up the rest of
Speaker 2: the way. But the first four seasons of Sons of
Speaker 2: Anarchy is what we're talking about, are pretty pretty great. Now.
Speaker 1: I do believe that Katie Sagal won a Golden Globe
Speaker 1: for this. By the way, these shows might have won
Speaker 1: Golden Globes, we only care about Emmy's right now. We're
Speaker 1: taking down the establishment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of these have won Globes and SAgs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're talking specific Emmys.
Speaker 1: So Sons of Anarchy has only had five nominations, and
Speaker 1: one of them was for Original Main Title Theme Music
Speaker 1: in twenty oh nine.
Speaker 2: The funny part is most the four of these five
Speaker 2: nominations came when the show kind of got bad. The
Speaker 2: show kind of sucked by the.
Speaker 1: Time, almost like a legacy of like, hey, thanks for
Speaker 1: your prior work.
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, I if no one knows the story, I
Speaker 2: actually stopped watching Sons of Aaronarchy. Believe it's five episodes
Speaker 2: into season five when it's something very significant happens. When
Speaker 2: at the end of season four they don't kill a
Speaker 2: certain character, and then they go and kill my favorite
Speaker 2: character at the beginning of season five. Really pissed me off,
Speaker 2: and it really showed you what they were gonna do.
Speaker 2: They were gonna keep making episodes just basically for money,
Speaker 2: is what I felt like, and that's really what ended
Speaker 2: up happening. So they get ended up running nine seasons,
Speaker 2: and I would say there's more bad than good, really,
Speaker 2: but yeah, the first four seasons are pretty great.
Speaker 1: Okay, a show that I know you can't really get through.
Speaker 1: But if you're talking about comedy sitcoms in the twenty tens,
Speaker 1: New Girl did it for seven years, and Max Greenfield,
Speaker 1: although he was nominated once, maybe should have got a
Speaker 1: little more love.
Speaker 2: Max Greenfield, to me, is the funniest part of the
Speaker 2: show by the miles. So I agree with you wholeheartedly there.
Speaker 2: This is not a show I dislike. This is just
Speaker 2: a show that has repeatedly been over sold to me.
Speaker 2: So a couple times I've tried to watch it, I
Speaker 2: just it doesn't it doesn't quite jive with what people say,
Speaker 2: so I just stopped watching.
Speaker 1: That's all five nominations, and I'm also although Zoe Deschanel,
Speaker 1: she was nomed. But this is also during a time
Speaker 1: where Tina Fay is still going for thirty Rock, Amy
Speaker 1: Pohlar is going for Parks and rec and we'll get
Speaker 1: to Amy Pohler in a second, and Julia Louis Dreyfus
Speaker 1: soon will be doing Veep.
Speaker 2: So yeah, fucked, no real shot.
Speaker 1: There a show that I loved on HBO and it
Speaker 1: was only on there for two years and it did
Speaker 1: get nine nominations, so credit to them there, but never won.
Speaker 1: The Flight of the Concords.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just a show that's off the beaten
Speaker 2: path that I don't even think anyone would be upset
Speaker 2: it never won because it was never that popular. But
Speaker 2: it's certainly one of those shows that if someone you fight,
Speaker 2: this is the opposite to me talk about litmus test
Speaker 2: for mad Men. If I find out someone likes Flight
Speaker 2: of the Concords, immediately.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you want me to, I'd make love
Speaker 1: with you. That's why I loved that first Muppet movie
Speaker 1: that came out in twenty eleven, because it was all
Speaker 1: Brett mackenzie music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it sounded just like flying.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is just Flight of the Concords, but
Speaker 1: with muppets, this is fantastic. Another show that I watched
Speaker 1: way too much of you sure did. I did, And
Speaker 1: it was nominated eight times, and it's sick for seven
Speaker 1: season run. And that is Empire, Fox's Empire. And while
Speaker 1: I don't think the show deserves an Emmy, or really
Speaker 1: most of the cast deserves an Emmy. Taraji p Henson
Speaker 1: was great on the show and she was nommed twice.
Speaker 1: But give Taraji a little love.
Speaker 2: I love me some Taraji p Henson. I give Taraji
Speaker 2: love all the time, just behind and closing your mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it. A show that's still on the
Speaker 1: air started at nineteen ninety nine. It's not a sitcom,
Speaker 1: but it is animated. It has been nominated ten times.
Speaker 1: And that is SpongeBob square Pants.
Speaker 2: Now, don't get me wrong, I haven't watched an episode
Speaker 2: of SpongeBob in maybe fifteen years, but there are some
Speaker 2: pretty amazing and significant episodes of SpongeBob that I am
Speaker 2: stunned hasn't garnered it an Emmy win. And the show
Speaker 2: is so significant in general. Yeah, I'm surprised it hasn't
Speaker 2: gotten a legacy win at this point.
Speaker 1: Not only that, like, there's so many episodes that I
Speaker 1: could sit down with I could find funny, and then
Speaker 1: my son who's four could also find funny. A teenager
Speaker 1: also find funny.
Speaker 2: YEP, I totally agree. It's it's actually kind of mind
Speaker 2: blowing that SpongeBob has not won and only ten nams
Speaker 2: over twenty five years. That's insane.
Speaker 1: Nominated thirteen times nineteen sixty six through nineteen sixty nine,
Speaker 1: The og Star Trek.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of isn't that kind of weird
Speaker 2: that for time and place and being as like new
Speaker 2: sci fi thing, that it didn't win anything.
Speaker 1: Like some kind of like prop design or something like.
Speaker 1: I understand maybe not acting or something, but.
Speaker 2: Right, and maybe they didn't have as many many awards
Speaker 2: back then, but that is a little bizarre and.
Speaker 1: Never won stage design, stunt coordination, something like that. I
Speaker 1: never really watched The Good Place? Did you watch The
Speaker 1: Good Place?
Speaker 2: So I've watched the first season The Good Place, and
Speaker 2: it's one of those shows that, unfortunately, it feels really telegraphed.
Speaker 2: I know, there's this whole big twist ending the season one.
Speaker 2: It's just I don't know, it's not lazy I'm not
Speaker 2: calling it lazy, it's just any I felt like anyone
Speaker 2: that has watched a good amount of TV could tell
Speaker 2: where this show is going.
Speaker 1: It has been nominated or was nominated thirteen times. Never won.
Speaker 1: A show that was nominated fourteen times and never picked
Speaker 1: up a single Emmy is Parks in Recreation that ran
Speaker 1: from nine to fifteen. And I think it really just
Speaker 1: has more to do with bad timing, because you could
Speaker 1: also say it was never the best comedy on television,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you could really argue that because
Speaker 1: when it started out, Thirty Rock was still dominating, The
Speaker 1: Office was still on, and then it ran during Modern
Speaker 1: Families fucking dominance and then Veep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that really is tough timing. And I think Parks
Speaker 2: and Recreation is one of those shows that actually got
Speaker 2: more popular via streaming, upon rewatches and people really figuring
Speaker 2: out how much they had either missed or how much
Speaker 2: they underrated it. That show. But I will say when
Speaker 2: you compare it to those shows Modern Family, Veep, The Office,
Speaker 2: and Thirty Rock, I think Parks and RECs peak is
Speaker 2: much shorter than those shows. It's got like two and
Speaker 2: a half seasons that are really great and then the
Speaker 2: outside of those two and a half aren't so great,
Speaker 2: so that hurts it as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Amy Poehler did get numbed a bunch of times,
Speaker 1: but so I believe she lost to maybe Tina Fey,
Speaker 1: maybe Julie Bowen or something like that. And then once
Speaker 1: Julia Louis Dreyfe has started to win, that was it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now let's get to the show that was nominated
Speaker 1: fifty three times and never won a god damn thing.
Speaker 1: And yes, it is a spin off. But some might
Speaker 1: say that it's better than the original show, and that
Speaker 1: is better call Saul.
Speaker 2: Some people would make that argument. I would not. However,
Speaker 2: I would make the argument of the final two seasons
Speaker 2: are of Breaking Bad. Quality is this is insane to
Speaker 2: me that a show being this well written, this well acted,
Speaker 2: this thrilling could never win an Emmy and it's seven
Speaker 2: eight years on screen. I think it was seven seasons total.
Speaker 2: Not only was Bob Odenkirk one of the best characters
Speaker 2: on television for a long time, Breaking Bad included this
Speaker 2: show was phenomenal. It introduces ray A Seahorn as his
Speaker 2: love interest in the show, who's also great, and she
Speaker 2: does an unbelievable job. She goes Tit for tat with Odinkirk.
Speaker 2: But the one that really stole it to me and
Speaker 2: the one that I thought they would finally get over
Speaker 2: the hump for is Tony Dalton plays Lolo Salamanca in
Speaker 2: the final tool seasons and a little bit in season
Speaker 2: five as well. I don't know how he like. To me,
Speaker 2: he was the best character on the show for two seasons,
Speaker 2: and even when you consider the whole Breaking Bad universe,
Speaker 2: besides Gus, you could argue he was the best character
Speaker 2: in the whole Breaking Bad universe. So it's absolutely fucking
Speaker 2: mind blowing to me that he didn't win an Emmy.
Speaker 2: He was nominated for SAG Best Supporting Actor Award, he
Speaker 2: didn't eve get nominated for an Emmy. Go, that's just
Speaker 2: that's insane to me, And that's what really told me
Speaker 2: that this show is never gonna win an Emmy. When
Speaker 2: he never got nominated. Was that's insane, absolutely insane. I mean,
Speaker 2: this show, this show is an all time great show.
Speaker 2: It may be a step or a half step below
Speaker 2: Breaking Bad, but when a show is that good for
Speaker 2: that long and for it to get better as the seasons,
Speaker 2: when it went along as not a lot of shows do.
Speaker 2: I don't know how it doesn't win. I don't know
Speaker 2: how it does it get a Legacy Award at the end.
Speaker 1: Either you ready for this? It lost for Best Drama
Speaker 1: Series two Game of Thrones season six, fair enough, the
Speaker 1: handsmade tail, Handmade's tail.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I first wrote this, I accidentally wrote t A
Speaker 1: I L. And I'm like, that'd be a funny series.
Speaker 1: Game of throwne season seven.
Speaker 2: Now that's the second to last season, so.
Speaker 1: You're catching me. Then it lost to season eight of
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones, Insane, the one that most people don't like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 1: Succession the Crown. I do know, Yeah, Succession, Succession.
Speaker 2: Listen. Succession is good. It's a good show. Better call
Speaker 2: Saul is better. It's a better show. It's more thrilling,
Speaker 2: there's more things going on, there's more moving parts. And
Speaker 2: I get, yes, it is a quote unquote spinoff, and
Speaker 2: maybe that's what just hurt this forever. But for it
Speaker 2: to lose three times to Game of Thrones and three
Speaker 2: times to Succession, that makes no sense.
Speaker 1: You couldn't find, you know, a little spot for it.
Speaker 2: I'll let people argue that Game of Thrones is better
Speaker 2: the way better call sall finishes on the highest of highs.
Speaker 2: To me, that would make it superior. But again, I
Speaker 2: never watched Game of Thrones, so that maybe maybe you
Speaker 2: can decide that. I just don't know how it doesn't
Speaker 2: get one, doesn't sneak one in there.
Speaker 1: Bob Odenkirk in the years that he was nominated lost
Speaker 1: two Ronnie Mallick and Mister Robot, Sterling k Brown and
Speaker 1: This is Us, Billy Porter in Poe's, Jeremy Strong in succession,
Speaker 1: Lee Jong in squid Game, and Kieran Culkin in succession.
Speaker 2: So you can give two succession guys an award, and
Speaker 2: you can't give Odinkirk one. I mean stelling Brown every
Speaker 2: time he's nominated, I feel like he's gonna win something,
Speaker 2: and he probably deserves it every time. I'm not upset
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: I mean he was the main reason to watch This
Speaker 1: is Us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never seen Poe. I'm sure Billy Porter was great, obviously,
Speaker 2: squid Wayne Squid Game took the world by Skier Grammy
Speaker 2: Malick was decent in the first season of Mister Robot.
Speaker 2: I will admit that. But Bobo and kirk Man fuck God.
Speaker 1: And then ray A Seahorn In the two years that
Speaker 1: she was nominated for Supporting Actress, she lost to Julia
Speaker 1: Gardner in Ozark. Yeah, and then Jennifer Coolidge in White Lotus.
Speaker 2: By the way, the fact that ray Seahorn was only
Speaker 2: nominated twice as a travesty as well. She looked so
Speaker 2: good throughout the whole series.
Speaker 1: I love Jennifer Coolidge, but it's all kind of a joke, right, yeah?
Speaker 2: Do we need to give White Lotus an award?
Speaker 1: White Lotus won a bunch of awards.
Speaker 2: All right? Do we need to give Jennifer Coolidge an
Speaker 2: acting award for White Lotus? Do we? Well?
Speaker 1: I like her. She you know, she wanted a hot
Speaker 1: dog real bad.
Speaker 2: So frustrating. Let's get into.
Speaker 1: Mac Sack and mack sac could be anything. It could
Speaker 1: be a boat. And I wrote down the question. It
Speaker 1: was real simple. I said, mac Agatha and the Penguin
Speaker 1: are starting right now, and what are you watching on television?
Speaker 1: And you went ahead and did a bunch of notes
Speaker 1: so you can tell me what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah. First of all, part of the impetus for
Speaker 2: this episode was Agatha and Penguin kicking off this week.
Speaker 2: I'm certainly more looking forward to Penguin, but there have
Speaker 2: been some real positive reports in Agatha, so I'm looking
Speaker 2: forward to both, and I'm looking forward to catching them
Speaker 2: each and every week for the next I don't know
Speaker 2: what eight weeks however, one weeks. But I figured, well,
Speaker 2: this will use this as an opportunity to take a
Speaker 2: quick history, quick history lesson, quick trip down memory lane
Speaker 2: for Marvel shows Patty Emmys. Yeah, and this is pretty interesting,
Speaker 2: So just real quick, there was obviously Marvel shows on
Speaker 2: network network television before Netflix. We had Agents of Shield
Speaker 2: that did get two nominations for Outstanding Visual Effects, didn't win.
Speaker 2: We get to the Netflix shows, Go Daredevil, Jefs Jones,
Speaker 2: Luke Cage, Ironfist, The Defenders, and The Punisher. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: there was actually a couple of wins in here. None
Speaker 2: for Daredevil. Daredevil was nomb five.
Speaker 1: This is crazy because the hallway scene and the stairway scene,
Speaker 1: stunt coordination come.
Speaker 2: On and again the Emmys they give out awards for
Speaker 2: like singular episodes too, so that's also another reason to
Speaker 2: height to highlight how how that didn't win anything. Jess
Speaker 2: Jones was nominated three times, did win but it's kind
Speaker 2: of a bullshit one. It one for Outstanding Original Main
Speaker 2: Title Theme Music, so sure.
Speaker 1: But we've already won that three times.
Speaker 2: Luke Cage. One for one Outstanding Stunt Coordination for a
Speaker 2: Drama Series, Limited Series or Movie. Clearly, no nominations for
Speaker 2: Iron Fists, that's not surprising, one nomination for The Defenders,
Speaker 2: one nomination for The Punisher, but overall, two wins for
Speaker 2: the Netflix shows, and uh yeah, I think that sounds
Speaker 2: about right. Those were all solid. I think people really
Speaker 2: really like Daredevil, and a lot of people really like
Speaker 2: Just Jones, but that's not totally surprising, and they didn't
Speaker 2: last forever, so no chance at a legacy award on
Speaker 2: to Disney. Plus WandaVision was twenty twenty, right, I believe
Speaker 2: that happened pandemic Yeah, yeah, so WandaVision kicks it off
Speaker 2: real hot. Twenty three nominations go for WandaVision, And I'm
Speaker 2: not the biggest WandaVision fan, but I recognize why critics
Speaker 2: would love this show, especially the first four episodes of
Speaker 2: the show. It ended up with three Emmy wins for
Speaker 2: Outstanding Fantasy Sci Fi Costumes, Outstanding Original Music and Lyrics,
Speaker 2: for Agatha all Along and Outstanding Production Design for a
Speaker 2: Narrative Program half hour. I guess they differentiate between a
Speaker 2: full hour and half hour. Falcon and went to Soldier
Speaker 2: got five norms, no wins, Loki nine norms, no wins,
Speaker 2: Hawkeye two noms, no wins, Moonnight eight nominations and did win.
Speaker 2: Got a win for Outstanding Sound Editing, Miss Marvel four norms,
Speaker 2: one win Outstanding Motion Design, She Helped no norms, Secret
Speaker 2: Invasion no norms. Those were back to back. That's a
Speaker 2: tough stretch. So if you're counting at home, that's now
Speaker 2: three Marvel shows. She Hulks, Secret Invasion, and Iron Frist
Speaker 2: did not get any norms, and somehow, some way Echo
Speaker 2: squeaked out a nomination.
Speaker 1: How what was it for?
Speaker 2: I don't know, I didn't care.
Speaker 1: Good research.
Speaker 2: If you want to include what if in there. It
Speaker 2: did get three nominations, and we did get one win.
Speaker 2: That was for Chadwick Boseman for Outstanding Character Voiceover Performance,
Speaker 2: and it was awarded posthumously to him, So I think
Speaker 2: that did play a little bit in it. So Insummation
Speaker 2: Free Shows didn't receive a nomination out of the fifteen
Speaker 2: or sixteen, we talked about Iron Fish, She Helps Secret Invasion.
Speaker 2: The only show to win more than one Emmy was WandaVision.
Speaker 2: That is a little surprising, but zero acting awards unless
Speaker 2: you want to include Bozeman's voice acting win for what If.
Speaker 2: That's a little surprising, which means that tells you I
Speaker 2: think Marvel's TV shows still has something to shoot for.
Speaker 2: You know, as successful as WandaVision was, they're still shooting
Speaker 2: for something. So maybe that bodes well for the future.
Speaker 2: And if you want to talk DC shows, because the
Speaker 2: Penguin's upcoming Peacemaker got one nomination, how about that.
Speaker 1: Batman the animated series actually one for Outstanding Animated Series.
Speaker 2: There you go.
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