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Speaker 3: Welcome to the occult rejects this episode. I got a
Speaker 3: couple of us joining us today. I got JJ Vance,
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Speaker 4: What is going on? Sir?
Speaker 2: W a uh Nick krieks, Sir. I appreciate the invite
Speaker 2: as always, fellow cult rejects, looking forward to the conversation.
Speaker 2: Always remember talking some weird cult business. I said, now
Speaker 2: you're talking my language, so JJ Vance, host of Operations
Speaker 2: GCD and more notably not the vice president. But yeah,
Speaker 2: looking forward to the conversation. Ult a definitely my thing here,
Speaker 2: my thing I'll enjoy talking about, especially the ancient alien
Speaker 2: cargo cult.
Speaker 4: Say, let's hope some aliens pop up in this show.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for joining us, Jjay, and we
Speaker 3: got Jewels from Great Pill joining us today.
Speaker 4: What is going on? Sir?
Speaker 2: How are you? What is man? What's going on? Guys?
Speaker 5: Getting used to being here uh a lot more often,
Speaker 5: so thank you again Nick for having me. Of course, guys,
Speaker 5: I'm Jewels. I'm the host of the Great Pill podcast.
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Speaker 4: Hell yeah, hell yeah.
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Speaker 3: Twin Peaks because I've talked about it plenty of times,
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Speaker 4: If you're into peaks.
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Speaker 1: And a weekly shit talking show. Turn to you, my
Speaker 1: dear Cosmic Peach podcast. If you haven't found me yet,
Speaker 1: you never will. But I'm excited to be here a
Speaker 1: cult reject part time. Really excited to dive into some
Speaker 1: weird cults today.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so yeah, so what do you got going
Speaker 4: for us?
Speaker 1: Well, you want to go first, or you want me
Speaker 1: to go first. We did so we did a series
Speaker 1: called Into the Culty Verse together.
Speaker 9: It was four parts and.
Speaker 1: We covered the most obscure cults that we could find.
Speaker 1: Colby actually found some really interesting ones, which is why
Speaker 1: I'm so excited that he's joining me today. But they
Speaker 1: range anywhere from like Christian cults to esoteric colts to
Speaker 1: I don't even know how you would describe Chris Gorbo's guilt,
Speaker 1: but satanic I guess.
Speaker 9: Kind of like new wave.
Speaker 8: I don't know, it's Yeah, the last two we'll talk
Speaker 8: about are more modern cults, which, like when you throw
Speaker 8: the Internet into this picture, it just got a little crazier.
Speaker 9: And so we did a couple of modern ones.
Speaker 8: But yeah, we started with the old ones, and I'm
Speaker 8: sure you're gonna have heard of some of them, but
Speaker 8: some of them I doubt So anyway, I don't know
Speaker 8: you want us to just kind of like run through
Speaker 8: and give like a synopsis of each one, because I
Speaker 8: think you're not doing one of them so that there's
Speaker 8: like seven of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just real quick, like these did you come across
Speaker 3: these like in a book or something, or just you
Speaker 3: just randomly? You know what I'm saying That this isn't
Speaker 3: like is it from Program to Kill or anything like that.
Speaker 8: I think we kind of intentionally veered away from the
Speaker 8: stuff that we usually cover. But the first one I
Speaker 8: talk about is gonna kind of pop up throughout your
Speaker 8: your history of all the stuff we all talk about
Speaker 8: Synanon and so you I imagine you've all heard of
Speaker 8: that one. Yeah, that's probably out of all seven of them,
Speaker 8: that might be the one that's like most mainstream.
Speaker 4: No, that shit is fucking crazy.
Speaker 8: And it's left a hell of an impact to on
Speaker 8: like modern it's the troubled teen industry. Paris Hilton talked
Speaker 8: about it. A lot of these people that go through
Speaker 8: these I don't know, it's kind of like a Kanye
Speaker 8: asque reprogramming, but on a smaller scale. It seems like
Speaker 8: for these kids, they just they're out of control. They
Speaker 8: got these rich, ely parents and they go out there
Speaker 8: sometimes they die in the woods. That all came from
Speaker 8: like Synanon. So that's I don't know if you want
Speaker 8: to go first, if you want me.
Speaker 3: To go real quick, real quick, I had an Apple
Speaker 3: over by me when I grew up as a kid,
Speaker 3: and before that it was something that was I think
Speaker 3: associated with Synanon, and like I knew people that ended
Speaker 3: up like even going there.
Speaker 4: So I when.
Speaker 3: I heard the stories of Apple and what those places
Speaker 3: were like, and then I found out what Synonym was
Speaker 3: and watched the videos, I'm like, this is the same
Speaker 3: thing they told me that's going on, So I mean
Speaker 3: that style honestly, in therapeutic communities hasn't changed actually, right,
Speaker 3: and even in regular rehabs, I'll be honest, because of
Speaker 3: fucking up in the past. I've been in rehabs before.
Speaker 3: The way that they do their groups and have other
Speaker 3: members run it, it is still based off of that idea.
Speaker 9: So talking about it, maybe you should get.
Speaker 4: I do find it interesting how it's still out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find it interesting too. But since we're on
Speaker 1: the topic, you should just go ahead and sum it.
Speaker 9: Up, all right, Well, send it on. It was.
Speaker 8: Like the fifties that this one started and the founder
Speaker 8: he was the name guy named Chuck Diedrich, and he
Speaker 8: came from like the east side of the country. But
Speaker 8: he kind of had a rough and tumble childhood, ended
Speaker 8: up kind of just being a low life adult, and
Speaker 8: he became a really bad drinker and he entered into AA.
Speaker 8: I don't remember what city he was living in. It
Speaker 8: was in California. I want to say it was like
Speaker 8: more northern than where the Cole ended up, but.
Speaker 2: I haven't right here.
Speaker 5: I had pulled up these these guys. Yeah, now it's
Speaker 5: taken me to the to the damn webs.
Speaker 9: Well, if you get any info just cut on in there.
Speaker 8: But he uh, I guess some friends of his were
Speaker 8: pretty concerned there you go, that's yes, So they guided
Speaker 8: him into you know, the meetings, and he got up
Speaker 8: there and spoke and it was like an immediate high
Speaker 8: for him. He went on for hours and people were
Speaker 8: really digging was he what he was saying? And so
Speaker 8: much so to the point where he started having little
Speaker 8: like offshoot meetings at his own place. And not too
Speaker 8: long before or not too long after this, these heroin
Speaker 8: addicts start showing up and at this point in history
Speaker 8: there had never been like support groups for heroin addicts.
Speaker 8: And they kind of drove the drinkers away, and it
Speaker 8: just kind of became this thing where it was like
Speaker 8: all these junkies from all walks of life were showing
Speaker 8: up to quit.
Speaker 1: And because the alcoholics slipped down, yeah, as they kind
Speaker 1: of clashed.
Speaker 8: I think a few of the drinkers struck around, but
Speaker 8: most of them just you know, scdaddled. And he kind
Speaker 8: of looked at it as in an economic way, like
Speaker 8: this works. There's nothing else like it for these people.
Speaker 8: You know, these other guys can go to AA. And
Speaker 8: he kind of just took what AA did, and he
Speaker 8: gave it a leader, because you know, that's the unique
Speaker 8: thing about AA if you do it right. But anyway,
Speaker 8: they ended up in a storefront at some point. They
Speaker 8: got a lot of people with money in there, and
Speaker 8: they just start expanding, and it's kind of like any
Speaker 8: cult formula.
Speaker 9: He starts taking the assets of of you know me
Speaker 9: that had them.
Speaker 8: And one of the things he did in the beginning,
Speaker 8: it was in these meetings he had. It was called
Speaker 8: the game. And this thing is crazy. It kind of
Speaker 8: is the thing that stuck out to me the most.
Speaker 8: But these people would just berate each other. So if
Speaker 8: it was your turn, everything was fair game other than
Speaker 8: violence or threats of violence, but anything could go and you.
Speaker 9: Could just say anything.
Speaker 8: And so it was like real cathartic for these people.
Speaker 8: And I think Leonard Nimoy a few other notable celebrities
Speaker 8: actually like just went participated in these rituals for this,
Speaker 8: for the for the game, in these meetings they have,
Speaker 8: and I call it rituals, but like.
Speaker 9: Why would you want that though?
Speaker 1: It's like you sit in the middle of a circle
Speaker 1: and just have a bunch of random people tell you
Speaker 1: what a piece of dog shit you are.
Speaker 2: For you.
Speaker 4: Have you ever watched those videos.
Speaker 1: It's pretty wide shoul, crazy, dirty cop motherfucker's thinking.
Speaker 3: And that's that's something that's still was going on in
Speaker 3: Phoenix House twenty years ago, fifteen years ago.
Speaker 4: Is that style?
Speaker 3: I know for a fact that was still going on
Speaker 3: in TC's So I'm saying this ship is still being used.
Speaker 1: That's wild. It looks like Juel said, the logo for
Speaker 1: Synonym looks like the Processed Church too, which is awesome.
Speaker 4: I can pull it up.
Speaker 3: I was never in one of those places, but it
Speaker 3: came across a lot of people who work obviously.
Speaker 2: Oh go ahead, I keep cutting out over here, go ahead.
Speaker 4: And oh you go ahead. I'm done. I'm done.
Speaker 2: Oh this is why I keep when you paying fair
Speaker 2: game before Colby, this is why he's one of the
Speaker 2: reasons that's a funny term, because when you're describing this thing,
Speaker 2: the game, this is one of the reasons why I
Speaker 2: asserted that sending On actually grew out of scientology. The
Speaker 2: game is really based on bull baiting. That's what the
Speaker 2: scientologists call that.
Speaker 1: Bull baiting, like where you sit in a circle and
Speaker 1: tell everybody what.
Speaker 2: A piece of shit you literally scream at your opponent,
Speaker 2: your other h fellow of scientologists. And in this h
Speaker 2: you know, you call it ritual, they call them an expert.
Speaker 2: They call them training exercises, if you will, I think
Speaker 2: training protocols. So the idea is to numb out any
Speaker 2: response from from from the individual. So they'll yell everything
Speaker 2: they can to make any kind of movements and noises
Speaker 2: right in your face to them, and you don't ever
Speaker 2: graduate until you have no response. M Wait a minute,
Speaker 2: I have a better picture of it, if you want
Speaker 2: me to pull it up.
Speaker 7: You think about scientology as or religion. It's basically like
Speaker 7: the ultimate corporatism. So what they want is the most cold,
Speaker 7: calculating person possible with no emotions. And they have all
Speaker 7: these different methods of ridding the person of all emotions,
Speaker 7: so they could be the perfect psychopath.
Speaker 1: That is an interesting logo.
Speaker 5: It just gives me processed vibes, right, I was gonna say, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I mean there's something. Maybe it's a start
Speaker 2: spinning that real fast. It's going to start looking like
Speaker 2: a swastika real quick. To this the synograd or the sonograd.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, dude, You start spending that it's
Speaker 2: gonna look like it's gonna look like the Swasika walls
Speaker 2: it out real fast.
Speaker 5: It's like there's some some kind of symmetry. Maybe there's
Speaker 5: some kind of occult science behind it.
Speaker 2: I don't. I think that's part of it. Sure, Dan,
Speaker 2: you know that's why we see things like with all
Speaker 2: these birds with all their angles right the order, Yes,
Speaker 2: listen for angles and stuff.
Speaker 1: The weird thing about Synanon is it takes such a
Speaker 1: weird turn because like it starts off with the game
Speaker 1: right and you're like braiding each other to get get
Speaker 1: the person clean, but then it turns into like what
Speaker 1: no kids.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean we're we'll just does but uh, it's
Speaker 8: something interesting that I wanted to point out, which you
Speaker 8: could do a shiploaded research on this and then this
Speaker 8: hardly ever comes up. But I'm glad I saw it.
Speaker 8: It's it reminds me of Bill Wilson with AA. So
Speaker 8: you know, there was a lot of in this area
Speaker 8: of California. Of course, there was a lot of experimental
Speaker 8: studies going on with LSD, and he got into one
Speaker 8: of them, Chuck did, and he had an LSD trip
Speaker 8: probably one of the more nicer ones you could have
Speaker 8: in these MK ultra studies. But I don't even remember
Speaker 8: the guy. I think it was Sidney Cohen. It was
Speaker 8: somebody very notable that was hooking this up. So you
Speaker 8: look at and see that these things like he's mentioning
Speaker 8: JJ's mentioning scientology similarities. And then you have this guy
Speaker 8: participating in one of these MK ultra studies, and he
Speaker 8: wanted to incorporate what he learned into the game and
Speaker 8: other aspects of their there's the stuff they were doing.
Speaker 8: But he didn't want the people to do drugs. He
Speaker 8: didn't want them to kind of have that thing that
Speaker 8: he had, and so they came up this with this
Speaker 8: thing called the Trip, which is like the game on steroids,
Speaker 8: and he would sleep deprive them for like.
Speaker 9: Three days at least, and then they would have.
Speaker 8: These breakthrough spiritual experience experiences and that kind of started
Speaker 8: drawing in people more. And they also at one point,
Speaker 8: I want to say, like ten years into it, it's
Speaker 8: not even heroin addicts anymore. It's just they started these
Speaker 8: intentional communities, and with the kids, it was more like
Speaker 8: work camps, especially the ones that he had. One guy
Speaker 8: in his name Space I'm spacing it, but he was
Speaker 8: from southern California and he ended up going there. And
Speaker 8: he was a black collegiate football player who had an
Speaker 8: injury or something. He was going to go to the NFL,
Speaker 8: but he ends up there because his wife was on
Speaker 8: pills or some shit, and Chuck Didrich's wife's black. He
Speaker 8: married an ex heroin addict from New York. I don't
Speaker 8: remember her name. But this football player sees this and
Speaker 8: he's like this, this is like they accept everybody, and
Speaker 8: so he went in there and he becomes like the
Speaker 8: drill start for the kids, and the stories vary, but
Speaker 8: there was a lot of physical abuse.
Speaker 9: They started on.
Speaker 8: The line on like their rules were no violence and
Speaker 8: you know, no drug use, but they said the violence
Speaker 8: thing kind of you know, it had a it was
Speaker 8: very flexible when it came to the kids. Let's just say,
Speaker 8: and these kids start running away at one point, and
Speaker 8: oftentimes they would end up calling the cops and the
Speaker 8: cops would just come take them right back, or the
Speaker 8: parents themselves would come take them right back. And there
Speaker 8: was all these stories about like humiliation rituals if you
Speaker 8: were caught breaking rules in these work camps and.
Speaker 1: If you got pregnant, they would take your baby away
Speaker 1: and put them in a hatchery.
Speaker 9: Yes, is that what it was called? A patchery?
Speaker 8: Because this thing evolves, they start raising the kids. It's
Speaker 8: in a communal way, and a lot of these kids
Speaker 8: would see their parents like once a week if that.
Speaker 8: And some of them didn't even know who their actual
Speaker 8: births pre parents were.
Speaker 9: They were just raised by the community.
Speaker 8: I mean, there's a lot of good stories from these
Speaker 8: A lot of these kids that got out in their
Speaker 8: teens kind of blown the whistle on this stuff. But
Speaker 8: they started shaving their heads. At one point, he makes
Speaker 8: them swap wives. Near the end, like these guys all
Speaker 8: start swapping wives because he gets divorced or his wife dies,
Speaker 8: she gets cancer and dies, and then he gets remarried
Speaker 8: and he decides, hey, this worked for me. So he
Speaker 8: tells everybody they have to like stop seeing the partner
Speaker 8: they're seeing. They have this ceremony where they break their
Speaker 8: marital ties and then they regroup and some of them
Speaker 8: stayed together, some of them ended up back with their
Speaker 8: old partners, but a lot of these people just escaped,
Speaker 8: and a lot like As it goes further and he
Speaker 8: starts changing the rules. Throughout the years, they start losing
Speaker 8: people and a lot of people start speaking out. So
Speaker 8: this lawyer guy gets under their tail because they have
Speaker 8: all these custody battles going on and there's all this
Speaker 8: like accusations of abuse from these kids that are getting
Speaker 8: out and ex members kids are still in there, so
Speaker 8: it's just a shit show. And this lawyer guy goes
Speaker 8: after him hard, and Diedrich would make these videotapes that
Speaker 8: he would put throughout the compounds and he starts threatening
Speaker 8: physical violence against anybody who fucks with them legally, and
Speaker 8: a long story short, this fucking guy ends up with
Speaker 8: a rattlesnake in his mailbox and gets bit, almost dies
Speaker 8: in the hospital. And they traced it back to these
Speaker 8: these kids into work camps. They kind of became militant
Speaker 8: when they were in their adulthood and they would train
Speaker 8: in northern California and they were really good with rattlesnakes.
Speaker 8: They would catch them and eat them, and so it
Speaker 8: was actually pretty obvious who it was. They ended up
Speaker 8: tracing it back to these guys. Diedrich goes into hiding,
Speaker 8: and I mean I skipped a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 1: Because then he becomes an alcoholic again.
Speaker 9: Yeah, oh he starts he starts drinking in the end too.
Speaker 8: And like, I don't know if you guys have any questions,
Speaker 8: it could jar some finer details, but yeah, in a nutshell,
Speaker 8: this guy gave the church over to his daughter, and
Speaker 8: then all these people that were running these youth programs
Speaker 8: branch out and start these troubled team industry camps that
Speaker 8: are still going on to this day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all of this sounds like scientology from the arranged marriages.
Speaker 2: That's more so even on the process side of the
Speaker 2: dark side of scientology there. Yeah, they do what they
Speaker 2: are real heavy on the arranged marriages and telling folks
Speaker 2: who and who they cannot have sex with. And then
Speaker 2: you talk about the ritles think business. They call that
Speaker 2: fair game, right, so you're allowed to do whatever you
Speaker 2: want to upon the critics of scientology. This is per
Speaker 2: a memo from l Ron Hubbard himself aka source as
Speaker 2: they call them. But the idea of these Scientology doesn't
Speaker 2: view children as children of them as old aliens and
Speaker 2: young people's bodies. So they're the ones developed a lot
Speaker 2: of this taxpayer funded camps to send kids to in
Speaker 2: these drug rehab centers. So well, I assert that a
Speaker 2: lot of this stuff from sending On came from is scientology.
Speaker 2: You know, I think a lot of that ship fell
Speaker 2: was falling apart by the late sixties when scientology came
Speaker 2: out with a more overt scientology form of Narconon.
Speaker 4: I remember that.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Well, when you get into el Ron Hubbard,
Speaker 5: you also get into you know, masturbation parties in the
Speaker 5: desert with Jack Parsons and uh.
Speaker 2: Making moon children and and hobby hobby. We all have hobbies,
Speaker 2: you know. These people are freaks, they're they're.
Speaker 4: Well, I have ambitions.
Speaker 2: But he was a man with goals, jewels. He was
Speaker 2: a man in the desert is one of those goals.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's wild how how much that cult has
Speaker 5: blown up.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what it is. Can't deny that.
Speaker 6: Those kids with the rattlesnake didn't get them first.
Speaker 4: That is crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they have a rattlesnake just bite you, and they
Speaker 5: took that as like a sign to then use rattle
Speaker 5: snakes or like that's odd.
Speaker 2: Paralized the guy, right, he was paralyzed for life, right.
Speaker 9: I don't remember if he was paralyzed. He said, yeah, they.
Speaker 2: Started eating rattlesnakes.
Speaker 8: Well, they had these little training camps because they they
Speaker 8: they had what was it called, It was almost like
Speaker 8: a marine name. They had their own branch of the military.
Speaker 8: Near the end, there's a lot of these kids that
Speaker 8: did well in the work. Good advance to this other
Speaker 8: little shaved.
Speaker 1: Head sending on weird hatchery fucks that grew up and
Speaker 1: ate rattlesnake.
Speaker 8: So a couple of these, a couple of these guys
Speaker 8: just got the idea, Like the guy was kind of
Speaker 8: watching his back. But the lawyer, and I don't know,
Speaker 8: he's even said that when he looked in there, he thought, well,
Speaker 8: what the fuck, that's a weird shaped package. Maybe it's
Speaker 8: like a scarf or a I don't know, had these
Speaker 8: ideas of what it could have been. And it was
Speaker 8: just a fucking snake sitting under a bunch of bells.
Speaker 9: Tail off. Yeah, so it.
Speaker 4: Could oh shit, so you could hear it?
Speaker 9: Wow?
Speaker 1: Right, there was another guy. Some kids escaped from sending
Speaker 1: On and ran to like this farmer guy's house, and
Speaker 1: these guys, these militant guys showed up beat him almost
Speaker 1: to death and almost the kids goot.
Speaker 8: Well, this ranch became known for helping their kids, these
Speaker 8: kids escape and then it was almost like an underground
Speaker 8: railroad for escape ease. And then they started spreading rumors
Speaker 8: amongst the kids that they would shoot you dead. But yeah,
Speaker 8: because they wanted to just stay. But these were these
Speaker 8: were the people that would call the cops, and the
Speaker 8: cops would show up to this ranch and then oftentimes,
Speaker 8: like I said, just drive them right back. And one
Speaker 8: day this guy got the shit kicked out of him.
Speaker 8: He had his kids in the car. One of them
Speaker 8: got out and ran off and hid, and the daughter
Speaker 8: was in the car, the wife was in the car,
Speaker 8: and they just reached in through the window and just
Speaker 8: started pummeling him.
Speaker 9: And there was some other I.
Speaker 7: Know, we're all probably poor, but let's face it, we
Speaker 7: made a movie that scenario right there, just playing out
Speaker 7: with these kids part of this cult training and then
Speaker 7: you know all the shit that they get into.
Speaker 6: That would be a big time winning movie.
Speaker 8: The thing well, I watched Fight Club pretty recently, probably
Speaker 8: within like the last three years, and the Project Mayhem,
Speaker 8: the Space Monkeys them shaving their heads. I think a
Speaker 8: lot of this stuff comes from Synanon that you see
Speaker 8: in pop culture.
Speaker 1: Process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Operation Chaos the smiley face symbol using the fight club.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that day.
Speaker 2: And I'm beginning to realize Lateal County, Idaho is a
Speaker 2: processed church apicenter of activity where the University of Ida
Speaker 2: is located. Chuck Palinook's father died of mysterious murder in
Speaker 2: July of nineteen ninety nine and Latesal County, Idaho.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he writes about that and Stranger than Fiction, which
Speaker 8: is just as good as his fiction. It's all the
Speaker 8: weird shit that he's seen through his life. What was
Speaker 8: is this really society?
Speaker 9: He was involved with them too, you know about that?
Speaker 2: Can check that out.
Speaker 9: What the society, Well, yeah.
Speaker 2: They're an offshoot of I would argue they're an offshoot
Speaker 2: of this whole Discordianism, this whole chaos movement of the process,
Speaker 2: and that's why they're the posts behind the burning man
Speaker 2: right society?
Speaker 9: Yeah, and which one does it come? Paul Knook was
Speaker 9: deep into them for a while.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so you know it's interesting, you know, he mean,
Speaker 2: I guess it's interesting timing his movie gets big the
Speaker 2: same time his father gets murdered. As one thing, But
Speaker 2: speaking of things strange with infection, the murder mistigation into
Speaker 2: his father's death may as well be fiction because that,
Speaker 2: you know, it's the same ship we're seeing play out
Speaker 2: right now in the same county against the case against
Speaker 2: Brian Coburger.
Speaker 9: I didn't even realize that was the.
Speaker 2: Dictionalized murder investigations. They're just making it up.
Speaker 6: God damn. Yeah.
Speaker 8: I grew up in Idaho, so all that stuff, like,
Speaker 8: I know that whole area pretty well.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, what do you got? What do you see now?
Speaker 2: But were you there when Palinok's father was murdered?
Speaker 8: No, I mean I would have been living in like
Speaker 8: southeast Idaho, so Idaho Falls, Twin Falls, the Twin yea,
Speaker 8: So I probably came onto that story later.
Speaker 9: I would have been pretty young when that happened.
Speaker 2: But I just found out about it. So you're way
Speaker 2: ahead of me, sir.
Speaker 8: Oh, I just read everything that guy wrote. He's kind
Speaker 8: of turned into shit lately.
Speaker 9: But I don't know.
Speaker 8: Do you guys have any other questions about syning on
Speaker 8: before Julia does her first one?
Speaker 9: Like I said, I just skimmed over a lot.
Speaker 8: I mean, there was so much that happened throughout this
Speaker 8: thing that, Yeah, you.
Speaker 9: Could do three or four podcast episodes on I didn't
Speaker 9: want to, Oh, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it was one of the least
Speaker 1: interesting ones out of all if you can imagine that.
Speaker 1: And I made fun of him and I kept calling
Speaker 1: him this cinnamon cult. But it just is this cinnabon, Yeah, cinnabon.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if you can imagine it being one
Speaker 1: of the least interesting ones, you can probably use your
Speaker 1: imagination for what the rest of the cults are.
Speaker 9: Going to be like.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know if you guys have any questions,
Speaker 1: but Synanon, it's like it follows that basic formula like
Speaker 1: kind of cult thing, like separation from the family, you know,
Speaker 1: take the kids away, swap wives, shave heads, very Manson esque,
Speaker 1: you know, cult story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's a weird thing over by me.
Speaker 3: When I was growing up with that, I said that
Speaker 3: place was on the lake over by Lake round conco
Speaker 3: Wand the crazy thing with that is that you watch
Speaker 3: I can't remember the original one, but it changed three
Speaker 3: times and it was always a TC and it was
Speaker 3: just like, all right, so.
Speaker 4: What do you just kind of went out of business
Speaker 4: and created a new z, started brought in a neon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all it was went from they went from
Speaker 3: Apple to Phoenix House and something before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah yo.
Speaker 3: And you know you were saying, like manual work. You'd
Speaker 3: see those dudes just digging random holes in the fucking.
Speaker 8: Yard, digging them and sometimes they would have them dig
Speaker 8: holes and fill them back up all day.
Speaker 3: Spoons, Yo, You see motherfuckers out in the through out
Speaker 3: the yard, look like they're using like a spoon or something.
Speaker 3: I have been told that they'll make them wear like
Speaker 3: there was people that I was in rehabs with that
Speaker 3: was in these places and they said that they've had
Speaker 3: to wear costumes, they had to wear a sign saying
Speaker 3: why they're in trouble, and they can't talk all day
Speaker 3: and people could say whatever the fuck they want to them.
Speaker 4: I was like, Yo, that is some sick ship. I
Speaker 4: should you not listen to me too?
Speaker 8: Where they're standing there and that people are just screaming
Speaker 8: in their ear, How worth this you are?
Speaker 2: And I mean bull baiting. We got a bull bait
Speaker 2: that you gotta bull bait the new recruits. That's that's
Speaker 2: TP one, I believe again, Training Protocol one. You gotta
Speaker 2: graduate that first, just like you do. And and Project
Speaker 2: Mayhem there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yo one time and then we'll move on to
Speaker 3: the next one. And because this is how I've already
Speaker 3: heard stories about all these therapeutic communities and stuff from
Speaker 3: like other people, I got popped in I think it
Speaker 3: was like Jamaica or Queens or something with dope on me.
Speaker 3: I was young, you know, And I ended up going
Speaker 3: to court because there you pretty much have to see
Speaker 3: the judge, like right away within twenty four hours in
Speaker 3: the city, you don't really get bail and go home.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: So I had to see the judge and like they
Speaker 3: were bringing up this idea of me. Uh and I
Speaker 3: think I already had like another case open for like
Speaker 3: heroin possession, and so basically they were going to consolidate
Speaker 3: both cases and let's you know, let's just get this
Speaker 3: over with, you know. And they were suggesting like a
Speaker 3: drug rehab and they said Samaradan Village. I don't even
Speaker 3: knew that was a TC. And I was like, you know,
Speaker 3: I asked the lay. I was like, how how long
Speaker 3: is this program? He's like about nine months? And I
Speaker 3: was like, how much time are they going to offer me?
Speaker 3: So like he asks them, I think they offered like
Speaker 3: six months, and I was like really, I was like
Speaker 3: six months for like these peop or whatever. He ends
Speaker 3: up getting the judges to drop it down to four months.
Speaker 3: And then I asked him, I said, how long is
Speaker 3: the wait to get into the program? If I got
Speaker 3: to sit in jail and wait to get into the program.
Speaker 3: They said it could be up to three to six months.
Speaker 4: Wait. I said, yeah, I'll take the fucking jail time.
Speaker 3: I would too, fuck because I'm not going to make
Speaker 3: it through the nine months anyway.
Speaker 4: And if I fucking got kicked out, I had the
Speaker 4: jail time anyway.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: I was like, Yo, let's just let's just get kissed
Speaker 3: out of the four months I'll have to do three,
Speaker 3: let's get this ninety days the fuck over with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'll thank.
Speaker 9: You right well.
Speaker 8: And Sinanon figured out early on that they didn't really
Speaker 8: have tax exemption as a religious status, but they did
Speaker 8: figure out that if they were doing these rehab programs,
Speaker 8: they would get government money. And so, like the very
Speaker 8: situation Nick just described that he went through. That's how
Speaker 8: a lot of these kids ended up there.
Speaker 4: Fed said so many motherfuckers of.
Speaker 2: The nasty cycle, right like Nick was just pointing out,
Speaker 2: it's a nasty cycle. That they know they're signing the
Speaker 2: people behind this, and they know what they're doing.
Speaker 3: As far as they want to go to jail, No,
Speaker 3: you'll just eat shifting I once you want to go
Speaker 3: to jail.
Speaker 4: They'll even threaten that.
Speaker 2: That same cycles depicted in the Hair Advice and Inherent
Speaker 2: the film and Hair Advice depicts the processed church in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles depicting that same cycle you just described, Nick.
Speaker 2: It's part of the process, you know. It's an economic
Speaker 2: coal hog effets where they're going to profit from every angle.
Speaker 1: Get them to do movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm doing. I'm doing a review with it on
Speaker 2: the next month.
Speaker 8: That's one of That's one of my top five favorite movies.
Speaker 9: It's my number one favorite movie, sir. Yes, it's a
Speaker 9: great nice dude.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I heard you bring it up and you guys
Speaker 8: were talking about OJ the other day because I had
Speaker 8: just made her watch it like two days before that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a great movie, dude, And like I
Speaker 2: I connect on it, like I like to say, on
Speaker 2: a molecular level because I'm a former private investigator myself
Speaker 2: who also loves Spot. So I got to finish roll
Speaker 2: on the STUDI.
Speaker 9: We're gonna call you. What's his name, Speccoli fast Time.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a great movie's name.
Speaker 4: I wonder.
Speaker 9: Bartello. That's right.
Speaker 2: He's part if you look at he's part of Project Chaos.
Speaker 2: He's a CIA operative working of a free clinic in
Speaker 2: the Hate Nashbury. They're in Los Angeles, but I'm saying
Speaker 2: like they're kind of paying that that that same setting
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 9: Definitely you ready for me, Let's go this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so excited. This one's so crazy. Okay, So
Speaker 1: the first one that I actually talked about in the
Speaker 1: series is something that Nick you're gonna have a separate
Speaker 1: episode about, so we'll skip that one. But the second
Speaker 1: one that I covered is called the Movement for the
Speaker 1: Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God. That is the
Speaker 1: entire name of the cult. I mean, try fitting out
Speaker 1: on a fucking crap top. Nobody's doing it. Longest cult
Speaker 1: name ever, Yeah, and it was actually it came out
Speaker 1: of Uganda during the AIDS epidemic. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys have ever heard about this cult, but it
Speaker 1: is fucking wild from start to finish.
Speaker 2: Literally, I it sounds wild, is.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So basically their leader was this guy
Speaker 1: named Joseph Kibbuwi, and he claimed that he was getting
Speaker 1: static electricity phone calls from the Virgin Mary, and that
Speaker 1: the Virgin Mary was communicating with him through electronics in
Speaker 1: his house, like fucking Heather or Poulter guys. Shit, and
Speaker 1: he'd like put his hands on the TV.
Speaker 9: And go say he had some kind of a message
Speaker 9: forever everybody.
Speaker 1: And he literally started an entire cult behind this shit,
Speaker 1: and he told everybody that the world was going to end.
Speaker 1: He knows because he got a static electricity phone call
Speaker 1: from the Virgin Mary. He knows this The world is
Speaker 1: going to end on December thirty first, nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 1: and that they all everybody needed to prepare for it.
Speaker 1: That he had thousands of members in this cult, and
Speaker 1: so basically what he did was he had everybody sell
Speaker 1: everything that they had, all their possessions.
Speaker 9: They had this big.
Speaker 1: Party and he they like roasted some pigs and did
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and it was super ritualistic and weird.
Speaker 1: And then, as you can imagine, after everybody's done all this,
Speaker 1: because he had all these weird rules, right, like they
Speaker 1: could only eat on Tuesdays and Saturdays or something like that,
Speaker 1: and you had to fast every other day. So he
Speaker 1: had already started like mentally conditioning these people to just
Speaker 1: be delusional. So they're starved. They weren't allowed to have sex.
Speaker 1: They weren't allowed to you his verbal communication, he made
Speaker 1: everybody speak in sign language. So you can imagine by
Speaker 1: the time it gets to like New Year's Eve, he's
Speaker 1: got all these people completely conditioned. They're starved, they haven't
Speaker 1: had sex in years, they speak in sign language. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're you know, fasting, doing all this stuff, and it's
Speaker 1: in the middle of the AIDS epidemic, so.
Speaker 9: It's scared.
Speaker 3: But it's just like, what's it like living in that
Speaker 3: person's head that's somehow agreed to make this make sense.
Speaker 1: That's what I said to Coleby, because if you were
Speaker 1: if you were to tell me, like if even if
Speaker 1: because I'm a I would consider myself to be a Christian,
Speaker 1: but I don't think you need anything extra to have
Speaker 1: a relationship with God. But the thing is, like, even
Speaker 1: if I met someone who was like a profound speaker
Speaker 1: and had a lot of cool stuff to say and
Speaker 1: was like a biblical scholar or something like that, and
Speaker 1: I admired them, even if that was the situation. If
Speaker 1: you took away my food, you took away my ability
Speaker 1: to fuck, my husband, and my like you have to
Speaker 1: speak inside, Like at what point do you say?
Speaker 9: Fuck you?
Speaker 1: I don't need any of this to have a relationship
Speaker 1: with God and get the fuck out of there, like
Speaker 1: why stick around? And then at one point she was like,
Speaker 1: nobody use soap. He took away the soap.
Speaker 2: Oh, if everyone smells like shit, they'd realize it. Right,
Speaker 2: it becomes a community thing, right when you ask that
Speaker 2: folks don't leave. I think it becomes community right, really.
Speaker 1: I mean because it's like walking around with a dirty
Speaker 1: bee hole.
Speaker 2: You can't anyone else wants to smell that except for
Speaker 2: other folks who also don't.
Speaker 1: I was like, you take away my food. First off,
Speaker 1: fuck you, You take away my language, definitely, yeah, that is crazy,
Speaker 1: my ability to fuck definitely fuck you. And then you
Speaker 1: take away my soap.
Speaker 4: It's like a like all of those separately was enough
Speaker 4: for me to say elaa, like.
Speaker 9: Like what goes?
Speaker 4: All came out?
Speaker 1: But I guess it's just like the intense belief that
Speaker 1: this fucking guy is talking to the virgin Mary and
Speaker 1: she is warning him that the world is gonna end. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if you were in Uganda in
Speaker 1: the middle of the AIDS epidemic and you see bodies
Speaker 1: piling up all over the place, people are sick, whatever,
Speaker 1: you might be scared and think that the world is ending.
Speaker 1: But I mean, there were literally thousands of members of
Speaker 1: the of this movement. But so as you can imagine,
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve rolls around the world didn't end. So
Speaker 1: what he decided to do was he took seven hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty members, not.
Speaker 4: Even all of them, just damn, you had this many.
Speaker 4: Holy Yeah, he.
Speaker 1: Had thousands of members. So he took as many as
Speaker 1: he could fit inside of his church, which was about
Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty, boarded up all the windows, boarded
Speaker 1: up the door, and then he set the fucker on fire.
Speaker 1: He set the fucking church ablaze, and he literally roasted
Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty people inside of this church.
Speaker 2: These pictures are crazy, yeah, dude.
Speaker 1: And then because he couldn't fit everybody inside the church
Speaker 1: to set it on fire, he decided to poison some
Speaker 1: of them. Some of them got stabbed, some of them
Speaker 1: got strained, some of them got poisoned, and they just
Speaker 1: found fields of bodies and there to this day still
Speaker 1: digging up bodies in Uganda.
Speaker 9: That's a lot of fun mass graves.
Speaker 5: Yeah, an evil son of a bitch that is so
Speaker 5: many fucking people.
Speaker 6: Well, just think about it.
Speaker 7: After he takes all that stuff away from you, there's
Speaker 7: nothing else you want to do more than kill yourself.
Speaker 2: These pictures are crazy, but you can pull them up there.
Speaker 2: Charred body.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want to pull up some pictures, they're
Speaker 1: definitely available for everybody to see. I mean there were
Speaker 1: mass graves all over Uganda. It actually appeared when investigators
Speaker 1: started looking into this case that he had peeks because
Speaker 1: he needed help killing thousands of people. He couldn't do
Speaker 1: it single handedly. So what he did was he had
Speaker 1: him and a couple of his buddies just start murdering
Speaker 1: people for weeks on end. And the big hurrah at
Speaker 1: the end was locking seven and fifty in the church
Speaker 1: and setting it on fire.
Speaker 2: This one that's I guess the church after it burned.
Speaker 5: There's there's other pictures that you probably see a couple bodies,
Speaker 5: but it's not visible.
Speaker 2: There's pictures with bodies in it.
Speaker 1: You should throw some of the body pictures up there
Speaker 1: because it's wild. It is like it's like, uh literally.
Speaker 2: Wants me to I just didn't. Okay, okay, cool, I
Speaker 2: got you.
Speaker 1: It's literally hundreds of bodies like piled up with tarps
Speaker 1: over them, just roasted like Thanksgiving turkeys, just laid out there.
Speaker 1: And the crazy thing too, is like they discover thousands
Speaker 1: of bodies whatever he took off and he's never been
Speaker 1: found to this day. No, he's gotten away with all
Speaker 1: of this. No one has ever been able to locate
Speaker 1: this asshole Kiboute since happened.
Speaker 2: He's not even whole. I was listening to all this wild,
Speaker 2: So where's the State Department or USAID involved in all this?
Speaker 2: We've been doing something there for that Kansas the pictures up.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like they didn't want to find him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like that, right.
Speaker 1: How big is Uganda in this motherfucker with no soap?
Speaker 7: Who's that asshole that they had the big campaign against?
Speaker 7: Do you remember that back in twenty twelve, Kobe or
Speaker 7: Cody twenty twelve?
Speaker 2: Didn't they make it? But didn't make that up?
Speaker 9: Yeah, like that seems like some kind of experiment, Like.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: This was like a shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 8: Remember that assion that people were passing around like burnt
Speaker 8: DVDs of that guy on college right and ship he
Speaker 8: was from Uganda.
Speaker 2: Another picture.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know where Cony twenty twelve was supposed
Speaker 7: to be, but it's.
Speaker 6: This is so much worse.
Speaker 7: Than anything Cony twenty twelve ever was.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like he's still the loose. He's still on
Speaker 1: the loose.
Speaker 2: That's the crazy, wasn't it Cony?
Speaker 1: Maybe it was this happened. You would think he would
Speaker 1: be like on some type of like FBI's most Wanted
Speaker 1: list or some shit. Seven hundred fIF burnt alive and
Speaker 1: then thousands buried in mass graves all over You gone
Speaker 1: to stabed.
Speaker 2: Strangled, something about a cave.
Speaker 9: Yeah, didn't they start finding different locations.
Speaker 1: They found locations all over You gotta where he got
Speaker 1: just buried people?
Speaker 4: No, this is crazy, wasn't it him?
Speaker 8: And like twelve other dudes that kind of kind of
Speaker 8: just rounded them all up. And if you had certain levels,
Speaker 8: like you were allowed to commit suicide or they could
Speaker 8: help you die.
Speaker 9: No, that was solar. Okay, So this is of aids.
Speaker 1: I want to say, let's see hereties. It was the
Speaker 1: It was the early eighties when it's when it came
Speaker 1: into formation, and then it took until nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 1: when the end of the world was coming for this
Speaker 1: all to dissolve. But he had like a good ten
Speaker 1: year run, which is why he had thousands. Yo.
Speaker 4: What yo.
Speaker 2: I would almost wonder if that was aocalyptic belief system,
Speaker 2: right mm hmm, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like a doomsday kind of cult. The
Speaker 1: only thing that sets them apart, in my opinion, is
Speaker 1: this whole static electricity phone call thing from the Virgin Mary.
Speaker 1: He didn't claim to have supernatural powers other than the
Speaker 1: fact that he was just chosen and was receiving this information.
Speaker 1: And because it was in the middle of AIDS, I
Speaker 1: do think that people already had that pandemic state of
Speaker 1: mind where it's like, maybe the world really is ending.
Speaker 1: Look at all these people dropping dead, you know, from
Speaker 1: this this uncurable thing. So you know, he takes away
Speaker 1: the soap, your language, your food, your sex, everything, and
Speaker 1: then he sets you on fire in a church. This
Speaker 1: dude is literally insane.
Speaker 9: And still.
Speaker 2: This is also very Jones sound like it all sounds
Speaker 2: very MKL for experiment, Like you know, like where you're
Speaker 2: you're incrementally causing more trauma within this this group that
Speaker 2: you're obviously probably taking notes about and experimental and type fashion.
Speaker 2: But I think these lack of intelligence agencies as I
Speaker 2: call them, they bake into these these these experiments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it does. It is very mk ultra
Speaker 1: like to me, because it's like you have to take
Speaker 1: away everyone's I guess, like the simple luxuries in life,
Speaker 1: and then you just get down to your very basic
Speaker 1: living and then.
Speaker 9: It's like.
Speaker 1: Whatever Joseph says, that's the thing, because you have nothing else.
Speaker 1: He's taken everything else from you.
Speaker 9: But you have this.
Speaker 5: Guy, you know what I mean, this guy even who
Speaker 5: just by looking at him, I'd.
Speaker 2: Never fall him.
Speaker 1: No, And it's like, look at this motherfucker is he
Speaker 1: You're telling me that they can't find this guy?
Speaker 2: Right? Well?
Speaker 7: Nick, do you remember that episode we did with the
Speaker 7: rapper guy who lived in Uganda for like five years.
Speaker 6: His description of the place.
Speaker 4: I remember what he was talking about, but I can't remember.
Speaker 6: That was way back.
Speaker 7: He said that place was so unfucking believable, Like the
Speaker 7: amount of like dumb fuckery that just goes on in
Speaker 7: your onto every single day. It's like it's a completely
Speaker 7: different planet of just people acting like shit hats.
Speaker 4: I remember, that's what.
Speaker 9: It seems like.
Speaker 1: It seems lawless to me. I mean, how do you
Speaker 1: get And it's like after so that the other people
Speaker 1: in Uganda that were not a part of this movement,
Speaker 1: they said, after the church caught on fire and all
Speaker 1: those people burned up, the smell of rotting flesh was
Speaker 1: so strong for weeks on end that the people in
Speaker 1: the surrounding areas couldn't even eat food. It smelled so
Speaker 1: terrible for so long, they were disgusted. They couldn't even
Speaker 1: like go outside. It stung so bad. And you're telling
Speaker 1: me that this guy that did this, no one ever
Speaker 1: looked for him.
Speaker 9: He's just gone. He vanished. He's a fucking ghost.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense to me, Like, really, he
Speaker 1: just disappeared.
Speaker 4: All the head doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2: It sounds like the ritual human sacrifice there at the
Speaker 2: end of the fire was sponsored by Coca Cola.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, They drank like what twenty cases.
Speaker 2: Or said, seventy crates of it. I don't know when
Speaker 2: it's in a crate, but they had seventy crates in
Speaker 2: that fire. For that party that blew up, So it
Speaker 2: sounds like it was sponsored by Coca Cola.
Speaker 1: Right. They were like, well, since we've starved you and
Speaker 1: you haven't soaked your bee hole in about five years,
Speaker 1: we thought you could use a good old coke.
Speaker 2: Come come to our End Times party. We're gonna have
Speaker 2: plenty of coke and Coca Cola.
Speaker 4: Was this the Was this guy literally saying it was
Speaker 4: a phone call in his head?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, No, he was saying, like the phone would ring
Speaker 1: in his house and he'd pick it up and it'd
Speaker 1: be the Virgin Mary telling him.
Speaker 4: The Rhow okay, I thought it was in his head. No,
Speaker 4: so you hear it ringing and you decide to entswer
Speaker 4: it in your head.
Speaker 9: He said.
Speaker 1: All the electronics in his home were possessed by the
Speaker 1: Virgin Mary and would like his toaster, his microwave, they
Speaker 1: were all possessed by the Virgin Mary. He couldn't even
Speaker 1: throw a toaster strudel in because that bitch was like
Speaker 1: the world's gonna end in nineteen ninety nine. Just get ready.
Speaker 2: That's an unfortunate circumstance. You can't even toast the toaster's crudele.
Speaker 2: That'll drive a man mad I do find it interesting
Speaker 2: that that is the this is no secret, Like so
Speaker 2: you're saying no one found this too, but it's no
Speaker 2: secret there that. I was just reading an article from
Speaker 2: the state newspaper about, you know, a year in advance
Speaker 2: to this, where they're interviewing at the Ugana State Newspaper,
Speaker 2: they're interviewing a cult members saying, we all got to prepare.
Speaker 2: You know, the world's ending next year, so the whole
Speaker 2: you know, it seemed like everybody knew about.
Speaker 1: These people, right right, Yeah, So it's not like they
Speaker 1: were underground or anything like that. I mean the government,
Speaker 1: you god in government was very aware of their existence.
Speaker 1: But it's like they just he's the most uncatchable fucker
Speaker 1: of all time. I guess.
Speaker 2: Nobody gone, and where's Waldo? That's to this guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah but yeah, no, that's so that's the movement for
Speaker 1: the restoration of the Ten Commandments of God. That's definitely
Speaker 1: a cult. For anybody out there listening. If you want
Speaker 1: to dive in a little bit deeper, you should. It's
Speaker 1: really fucked up. It's even been featured on an episode
Speaker 1: of Ancient Aliens because they said that the Virgin Mary
Speaker 1: entity that he was communicating with was an alien and
Speaker 1: that this was all legit.
Speaker 9: Like, okay, as we.
Speaker 2: Got an ancient alien the post or you know, apocalyptical
Speaker 2: going on the ship doing weird sex stuff. It's not
Speaker 2: always They're not always having sex. They just have weird
Speaker 2: sexual fetishes.
Speaker 4: There's always a control off in your.
Speaker 2: Dick's off evans Gate style right.
Speaker 1: Of no ship. But I think Colby, unless you guys
Speaker 1: have any questions, Colby's ready with his next lie.
Speaker 9: You guys don't have anything else to say about this ship.
Speaker 1: Which one are you doing next?
Speaker 8: Oh, this one's weird. It's called the Church of Happy Science.
Speaker 4: It sounds nice.
Speaker 9: Okay, Well, this is a Japanese cult, and I think that.
Speaker 8: You guys might know more about this. But after World
Speaker 8: War Two and what happened culturally in Japan, they just
Speaker 8: kind of became wide open for this ship, and a
Speaker 8: whole bunch of colts started from like the children of
Speaker 8: the survivors of World War Two.
Speaker 9: It was just a different era for everybody.
Speaker 8: And when I was studying this, uh, it seems like
Speaker 8: they were just one of many. And there's the famous
Speaker 8: Japanese cult in the nineties that had the seren Gas
Speaker 8: bump bumbled false flag operation there, and these these guys
Speaker 8: actually cross paths.
Speaker 9: So what was that one. I'm sure you guys heard
Speaker 9: of that one with the Sarah and Gas.
Speaker 1: In the nineties, they were also referred to as the
Speaker 1: doom Stay cults.
Speaker 7: They had the blind guy that was leading down Yeahhara.
Speaker 7: They had strange bathing practices too, I think.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So I was thinking about covering that one, but
Speaker 8: it seems like it's more widely covered. And then I
Speaker 8: saw this one when I was looking into that. So
Speaker 8: the Church of Happy Science is kind of a different one.
Speaker 8: It's it's not really doomsday ask so much.
Speaker 9: But I think it's one of the more ridiculous ones.
Speaker 8: So this chubby, little Japanese boy, his name was Rioho Okawa,
Speaker 8: and so this kid was kind of just your average
Speaker 8: second child. He had a you know, shadow casted over
Speaker 8: him by his overachieving brother, who the dad loved more.
Speaker 8: And you know that old chestnut and he it's second grade. Like,
Speaker 8: this guy is a prolific writer. Throughout his life, Rioho
Speaker 8: wrote thousands of books, and in one year alone he
Speaker 8: was said to have written fifty two. But this guy,
Speaker 8: this guy was a prominent lecturer, so they would actually
Speaker 8: transcribe his lectures and count that.
Speaker 9: But he published thousands of books over his lifetime.
Speaker 2: But sounds like Japanese l Ron Hubbard. Huh.
Speaker 8: So I was looking on rational Wicca to kind of refresh,
Speaker 8: and so he had a background.
Speaker 9: We'll get into it in day trading.
Speaker 8: And they called this guy the Japanese day trader turned
Speaker 8: el Ron, so.
Speaker 9: I mean already known as that.
Speaker 8: So he had an older brother, like I said, that
Speaker 8: was an overachiever, and Riojo was just kind of basic
Speaker 8: ass bitch average, if not just.
Speaker 1: Like a chubby Buddha that had nowhere to go.
Speaker 2: Well, that's definitely Lron.
Speaker 9: He quotes his second grade teacher of telling him he
Speaker 9: had the IQ of Albert Einstein and that he was
Speaker 9: the smart as he was as smart as a twenty
Speaker 9: one year old man.
Speaker 2: All roun again to speak seven languages and graduate college
Speaker 2: at the age of sixteen. All these were false.
Speaker 8: Well, once we get to this, this guy is him.
Speaker 8: This is him, so you don't oz empic.
Speaker 2: He's got more hair than Elron.
Speaker 8: He actually kind of slimmed up as he became an
Speaker 8: adult guy. But he like this is how much this
Speaker 8: dude craved attention. People started making fun of his way
Speaker 8: in grade school, calling him a sumo wrestler, so he
Speaker 8: like rolled with it and tried to become a sumo
Speaker 8: wrestler for a little while.
Speaker 1: Like this guy has no identity whatsoever.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and so he ends up getting into this Tokyo
Speaker 8: University program, ends up over in New York for a while.
Speaker 9: This is how egotistical this guy is.
Speaker 8: He met another Asian student over there that was doing
Speaker 8: the same program, and she spoke two languages and it
Speaker 8: pissed him off. She spoke two more languages than he did,
Speaker 8: and he quit the program over that.
Speaker 9: So he goes back. He ends up like an art school, making.
Speaker 1: Him fucking clay.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In Einstein shit.
Speaker 8: He starts thinking big for himself when he's kind of
Speaker 8: just coasting through the collegiate years, and he decides that
Speaker 8: he's a channeler and he channels this I don't remember
Speaker 8: which one, but it's an ancient Buddhist figure that he channels,
Speaker 8: and this figure tells him he needs to start his
Speaker 8: own church, and he starts having like meetings like student
Speaker 8: centers and shit like that in the beginning, but this
Speaker 8: thing takes off and he he just has all these
Speaker 8: predictions and shit that he's telling everybody that this Buddhist
Speaker 8: figure is channeling through him. And this is where it
Speaker 8: gets kind of nice. I think this is the happiest
Speaker 8: part of the story. His dad sees what he's doing,
Speaker 8: sees that it's growing, and joins him, and he starts
Speaker 8: like transcribing all of his lectures, and as the years
Speaker 8: roll on, he starts channeling basically anybody, Like at first
Speaker 8: it's like it's these old ancient gods, and then he
Speaker 8: starts channeling like celebrity.
Speaker 9: He starts channeling people that are still alive.
Speaker 8: He starts channeling Barack Obama, He's channel Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: And he says, now in the process some process highlights there, sir,
Speaker 2: I'm definitely enjoying the stage. AJ.
Speaker 8: I'm glad you're here for this, because I as we
Speaker 8: were studying these, I'm wondering, like, how many how much
Speaker 8: of this is CIA, how much of this is process?
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 8: Footnotes because it's yeah, they all have like a center
Speaker 8: line that they connect on. They all get a little weird,
Speaker 8: but they all kind of come back to the same spot.
Speaker 2: Well, specifically, you're talking shing Gun Buddhism. That's part of
Speaker 2: the process. Stuff that's noted in a number of crimes.
Speaker 2: And then you're talking and reports and you're talking, uh,
Speaker 2: the the idea that you know that you're channeling somebody
Speaker 2: who's already is not dead yet, I mean, the idea,
Speaker 2: it's just I can't it's hard for me to say.
Speaker 2: It's fucking looney tunes.
Speaker 9: But he said he's channeling their spirit guide.
Speaker 2: Okay, so Mary, unless he was the reincarnation of Joseph
Speaker 2: Gebels who was not dead yet. So that's what that's
Speaker 2: what that reminded me of.
Speaker 9: Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: And it may be a spiry guy thing there too,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but you know, it is a striking similarity.
Speaker 1: He channeled Freddy Mercury.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I.
Speaker 8: Got up when she was doing hers. I was looking
Speaker 8: for my notes because I have a list of people
Speaker 8: this fucker channeled. But the Freddie Mercury one is really
Speaker 8: interesting because this guy's I didn't really touch on it much,
Speaker 8: but this guy's like belief system that he made these
Speaker 8: people swallow if you joined, was that we are living
Speaker 8: on It reminded me of Mormonism. We're living on layers
Speaker 8: of celestial realities.
Speaker 9: And you could climb to nine.
Speaker 8: But so the thing about this stuff this guy was
Speaker 8: preaching when it came to like politics, he was very nationalist.
Speaker 8: He was very xenophobic and conservative, and a lot of
Speaker 8: there's a lot of Trump overlap, Like they were really
Speaker 8: behind Trump in twenty sixteen when he.
Speaker 6: Were nine angles. That's how like them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he has spot on with the celestial levels
Speaker 2: of Mormonism. Did you grow up around Mormons and Idaho or.
Speaker 8: Did you I grew up in a town where there're
Speaker 8: the students in the high school are ninety one percent lds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, high school.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they all fucked in the parking lot when they're
Speaker 8: there and their friend.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So But the thing that I was laying the groundwork
Speaker 8: for with all that is Freddie Mercury was channeled and
Speaker 8: he said that he's on the eighth level because he
Speaker 8: did so much good with the world. But you know,
Speaker 8: I can't get in nine because I liked a little
Speaker 8: cac He couldn't.
Speaker 1: Get to nine because of his b hole problem.
Speaker 9: Well what do you want?
Speaker 2: But he was a scientology that's the lowest level on
Speaker 2: the tone scales. Reporters, journalists and homos, that's what.
Speaker 8: So this guy ends up kind of growing this thing
Speaker 8: pretty quickly, and like I said, he's channeling anybody and
Speaker 8: everybody under the sun, all this being transcribed and published.
Speaker 9: His teachings.
Speaker 8: They his the way he propagandazed. He bought an anime
Speaker 8: company and they would actually do some pretty decent work.
Speaker 8: They had nothing to do with the church, and then
Speaker 8: they would just start throwing little ship in there.
Speaker 9: And so they were going after that like younger crowd, and.
Speaker 2: You're talking about octopus cartoons, you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 9: I don't know if it got on the Dragon.
Speaker 1: Ball z, but like channeling Freddie Mercury's be holes, that's.
Speaker 2: What I forget. It was sex related. And I know
Speaker 2: Japan's got those weird laws where they do.
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, everybody grows their pubes out, so it blocks
Speaker 8: the Genitalia porn.
Speaker 2: Right, you can buy an vending machine right next to
Speaker 2: the little girls underwear in a Japanese subway, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 4: That's interesting.
Speaker 8: Well, so he ends up marrying the weird environment that
Speaker 8: uh he he claimed was okay. So so he claimed
Speaker 8: to be the reincarnation of Buddha at one point and
Speaker 8: then when you break it all down, he's Buddha, he's God, he's.
Speaker 9: Fucking Jesus, said everybody.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and he's also from Venus, and so he get in.
Speaker 8: He got into some like old sci fi stuff with
Speaker 8: like where the race came from. And I mean it's
Speaker 8: all pretty interesting. We'll just skim over it here. But people, Oh,
Speaker 8: he said that we should nuke China.
Speaker 2: I like, I like him already. So are they Venetians
Speaker 2: or what were they? Tall whites where we talk in
Speaker 2: your little little little dogon little Japanese fellas whatever they
Speaker 2: call themselves, the dog people.
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I don't know about this.
Speaker 2: Well they don't. They have some weird dog people kind
Speaker 2: of alien stuff like in their in their Japanese. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sure have an ancient alien cargo coltail on their focal
Speaker 2: And maybe I'm misconstruing the name of it, but I
Speaker 2: don't think they're only they're dog people. But there's dog
Speaker 2: something like dog Gone in the Africa. It's something similar
Speaker 2: to that name.
Speaker 1: Like an elite bloodline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that the dog thing is only
Speaker 2: referencing serious, right, it's only which the Mormons, which the
Speaker 2: rosis you know, you name the ancient alien cargo cult.
Speaker 2: Is they love sirious fucking I'm muted. Yeah, the dog
Speaker 2: on trap Dade reference right, the serious reference right to
Speaker 2: do goone, but they have a similar it's not do Gone,
Speaker 2: but it's something similar in reference to the Japanese folklore.
Speaker 2: But it's I think it's all the same reference to
Speaker 2: the serious mm hmm.
Speaker 1: He thought he was better than everybody else, Christ.
Speaker 2: And typical boot I'm saying, did he envision these aliens
Speaker 2: and being of some other race than himself? Was he
Speaker 2: one of these kind of characters?
Speaker 1: He called it the bean, didn't he?
Speaker 8: No, that was Chris Cordo. Oh, I didn't get into
Speaker 8: that one.
Speaker 9: Sorry, I'm on a different These all got so jumbled.
Speaker 9: I'm actually it's no.
Speaker 8: It's kind of fun to like break them apart because
Speaker 8: it was like we cramped for a study once a week,
Speaker 8: we each did a cult and then moved on to
Speaker 8: the next one.
Speaker 2: But I'm always the background of these folks and what
Speaker 2: their belief system is, right, because like Dwight Yorke, remember Nick,
Speaker 2: the guy from from the Wesley Snipes ancient alien crogon
Speaker 2: called they're the new Abbion nation, you know he he
Speaker 2: he mashed together where he was from Mars, like he
Speaker 2: had he had Lenias from Mars. You're saying Venus, he
Speaker 2: his came from Mars, I think, but you know, you uh,
Speaker 2: you know, came to Earth and married the Morris people
Speaker 2: or something like that, and he's yeah, weird. He had
Speaker 2: some wild tales, but his aliens looks a lot like him.
Speaker 2: Sometimes that doesn't, isn't the case?
Speaker 4: Crazy?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I didn't get too much into the mythology of
Speaker 8: this guy because there's just so much of it.
Speaker 9: But it does sound a lot like what you're talking there.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's funny too, how much they just kind
Speaker 8: of shuffle the story around a little bit.
Speaker 9: Oh it's Venus, now is Mars over here the planet?
Speaker 2: Last last season, last cult we had, you know, you
Speaker 2: got to change the change up the game, lineup a
Speaker 2: little bit, brings new characters, right, bringing the cousin from
Speaker 2: the country that comes far in the city sitcom. You know,
Speaker 2: they gotta they gotta switch up the game a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's always the same formu like you're saying, these cults
Speaker 2: always have the same formula. I think that's what speaks
Speaker 2: to the spooky operations to me, right, because why would
Speaker 2: they all be the same kind of kind of organizational playbook.
Speaker 8: Right, Well, it reminds me of religion, like basic stories
Speaker 8: with details that are very disparate, but at the same time,
Speaker 8: it's the same fucking story. It's just we have cultural
Speaker 8: influences on these stories and I can't I think that's
Speaker 8: what they do with these cults. And it's so funny
Speaker 8: that most of the notable ones come out of Northern California,
Speaker 8: which was the Petrie.
Speaker 9: Dish of culture.
Speaker 8: F sixties, and I mean all of it stems from there,
Speaker 8: and then it branches out across the world because you
Speaker 8: didn't see this ship in the thirties and forties.
Speaker 9: Really, I'm sure it was going on like the occult kind.
Speaker 8: Of stuff, but it's almost like those people set up
Speaker 8: all this these systems to kind of just like make little.
Speaker 9: Experiments.
Speaker 8: But these people know the rituals and what you need
Speaker 8: to do to get into a person's head. And I
Speaker 8: mean a lot of these people are scientology, CIA, what
Speaker 8: have you all of it.
Speaker 2: So I think what happened when we see over the
Speaker 2: years is stuff like you're talking about the I AM
Speaker 2: movement out of Mount Shasta reaches, the are nothern California,
Speaker 2: which has largely perpetrated a lot of the theosophical ideals
Speaker 2: into these ancient Allian Cargo cults. So it's theosoph you know,
Speaker 2: Mormon Theosophical Society kind of mashy over the I AM
Speaker 2: over the years. But the process was as an operation,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, by these joint six Cia, to roll
Speaker 2: up all these other cults. Right, that's what we have
Speaker 2: four gods, That's why they can roll up all these
Speaker 2: other previous operations. Like the evangelical move kind of that
Speaker 2: kind of erupts at the same time that movement, doesn't.
Speaker 1: I think we lost them.
Speaker 9: They mistook him for GD.
Speaker 4: Took them out on my back.
Speaker 9: While we wait for him. I could continue.
Speaker 2: But so you see William Brandham and the I AM movement,
Speaker 2: William Branham, evangelical I AM this, you know, the new
Speaker 2: age human you know self, you know, you know materialization
Speaker 2: nonsense movement. There they're doing the human movement. So these
Speaker 2: things all kind of go on. I think those are
Speaker 2: the pro to early spook operations. And you see the
Speaker 2: process comes in later, rolls all these things up, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, because they have four gods. And
Speaker 2: they can do that, they can roll up all these
Speaker 2: previous operations like the evangelical Jesus freaks that they rolled
Speaker 2: up in seventy four when they became the foundation of
Speaker 2: faith of the millennium. That would that would be rolling
Speaker 2: up the previous like William Brandham style of evangelical movements.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, that's why. I think what you're
Speaker 2: saying is we see a lot of rupped out in
Speaker 2: Northern California region. That's why, because that's that was a
Speaker 2: previous operation that later gets rolled up through this well
Speaker 2: you know, look at I am there. They're the ones
Speaker 2: behind a lot of the QAnon stuff.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and this happy science shit locked arms with QAnon too,
Speaker 8: I mean really yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of.
Speaker 2: That is crazy.
Speaker 8: But so this guy ends up marrying a chick and
Speaker 8: he he she was a bit younger than him, you know,
Speaker 8: a hot follower. He got his pick of the litter,
Speaker 8: and I think her name was Kyoko, but she was
Speaker 8: supposedly aphrodite incarnate and they had a son together, and
Speaker 8: she ended up heading the political party that spun out
Speaker 8: of all of this, called the Happiness Realization Party. And this, yeah,
Speaker 8: this was in two thousand. Uh looks like eighteen.
Speaker 1: She was the Yoko to his John Lennon.
Speaker 8: No, this this was earlier in two thousand. She was
Speaker 8: that took over everyone. Well, she ended up divorcing them
Speaker 8: and the son left to when he was in his twenties.
Speaker 9: His son has a.
Speaker 8: Funny story about whether they're deciding if he should channel
Speaker 8: Michael Jackson or not right after he died. And I
Speaker 8: guess the Michael and Jackson channeling impersonation was so horrendous
Speaker 8: that they scrapped it. But his son defected when he
Speaker 8: was in his early twenties, said that his dad was
Speaker 8: making it all up and that he didn't want to
Speaker 8: be a part of it anymore. This is after his
Speaker 8: parents split and then Rioho got a much younger model
Speaker 8: and she was the incarnation of Gaya, so the overall
Speaker 8: he had to do aphrodite, so he went big with
Speaker 8: the new wife. But anyway, in twenty eighteen. As of
Speaker 8: twenty eighteen, this Happiness Realization Party has a shitload of
Speaker 8: local councilors elected, but they don't have any international standing.
Speaker 8: But they still do exist. And this guy kind of
Speaker 8: died and just you know, fizzled out. In twenty twenty three.
Speaker 8: But another notable thing that they did was during COVID
Speaker 8: And this is when I knew I had heard of them.
Speaker 8: So they were offering spiritual vaccines because they said viruses
Speaker 8: didn't exist, and they would offer it was a rolling scale.
Speaker 8: You were paying anywhere from one hundred to four hundred
Speaker 8: bucks and they and you would just pay him and
Speaker 8: they would.
Speaker 9: Say a prayer for you. That was your spiritual Jabbi.
Speaker 1: Wow, fucking a.
Speaker 2: I was going to say he died at age sixty
Speaker 2: six too.
Speaker 9: Yes, he did. Good.
Speaker 2: That's uh, that's you see that see that a lot o.
Speaker 7: Did the spiritual vaccine have any powder attached to it?
Speaker 6: Are you sure that was a deal?
Speaker 8: It probably did and it Yeah, you got your powdered
Speaker 8: spike spiritual proteins.
Speaker 9: That'll and it it.
Speaker 1: Was actually a suppository. You had to put it in
Speaker 1: your b hole.
Speaker 4: Are you sure?
Speaker 1: Whole spirit?
Speaker 9: That was satire, whole portals.
Speaker 4: Right, I was like one of the like blowing through
Speaker 4: a tube up there or something.
Speaker 2: They read too much, Crowley, I think.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Crowley, baby, I don't know why I'm wearing my
Speaker 8: led Zeppelin shirt on a cole rejects YouTube shirt, but
Speaker 8: you didn't go live today.
Speaker 2: So these folks were shing Ghan Buddhists. Is that would
Speaker 2: that be an accurate statement?
Speaker 8: I would say that the foundation definitely led there, but
Speaker 8: it kind of just became its long crazy thing.
Speaker 2: But yeah, So so that's interesting to me because according
Speaker 2: to the files of Ed Sanders, the author of the family,
Speaker 2: he alleges that the shing Ghan Buddhism was was the largest
Speaker 2: component of the Four Pie movements. Likely so all these
Speaker 2: all these the folks were about the chin Gon is
Speaker 2: really shin Gone and it's shin Gun Buddhism. And it
Speaker 2: was a specific mis sex cult out of Japan that
Speaker 2: had mixed Cali worship with Tibetan with a Tibetan shing
Speaker 2: Gan Buddhism. But they called their leader of the Grand
Speaker 2: Shingun and that was allegedly Gordon Sanders mainly p Hall.
Speaker 2: But we also see a report out from nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: two from G. Kelly and Associates, Private Detectiveate and See
Speaker 2: of New York City, and they lists in their investigation
Speaker 2: a Buddhist statue being used in ritual human sacrifices in
Speaker 2: the son of same crimes and the Atlanta child.
Speaker 9: Killings, killing in the name Buddha.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it speaks to this colie worshiping shing Ghan
Speaker 2: Buddhist cult if you ask me. But it's interesting these
Speaker 2: folks are doing shing Guan Buddhism.
Speaker 1: Wow, fucking comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 8: Before we move on to the next one, JJ, you
Speaker 8: just sparked something I wanted to talk about with these
Speaker 8: other Japanese cults, So.
Speaker 2: I'm aboud to spark something else, but please continue.
Speaker 8: The Serenas guy what were their names, Pumshriam, cuss. So
Speaker 8: they got in like a little public beef, spitting back
Speaker 8: and forth at each other, much like Elon and Trump
Speaker 8: are pretending to do right now, and.
Speaker 9: They it was like a app battle.
Speaker 8: They're just talking ship in their lectures and then fucking
Speaker 8: suddenly this other guy, the saren Gas leader dude puts
Speaker 8: a hit on hit on Riojo.
Speaker 9: They lyric we're trying to bomb his car and ship.
Speaker 1: Which is not even a joke because that guy, the
Speaker 1: guy who was the leader of the Doomsday colt uh
Speaker 1: what was his name, Osho Asahara. When they rated that
Speaker 1: guy's compound, he had weapons grade strains of a bola iris,
Speaker 1: he had helicopters, he.
Speaker 8: Had he had compounds set up in Australia through these
Speaker 8: offshoot groups where they had saren gas buried out in
Speaker 8: the Australian desert.
Speaker 9: I mean, this guy was definitely definitely put a hit
Speaker 9: out on Rio Hoo. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad. I'm glad you said that because you
Speaker 2: remember the guy or the cult the Theodoo shot shinho Abbe,
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister or whatever of Japan murdered him on
Speaker 2: that stage few years ago with that makeshift gun. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: They they had a lot of biological chemicals too within
Speaker 2: that cult that that was behind that, and they also
Speaker 2: planned on murdering uh some young Moon's wife, the leader
Speaker 2: of the main offshoot of the Unification Church. Because you
Speaker 2: mentioned all this Trump backing, Well, the Unification Church loves
Speaker 2: themselves with Trump, including the American offshoot with the Sun
Speaker 2: Yeoman's son, Sean Man. They're the they're the a K
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, they're the ar fifteen. Uh Jesus, you know
Speaker 2: offshoot of the Unification Church, the Iron and Rod Ministries.
Speaker 2: You familiar with them?
Speaker 9: I haven't heard of I haven't heard of them either.
Speaker 2: Interesting group. They're located in Pennsylvania. It's an off shot
Speaker 2: of the Unification Church out of South Korea, which was
Speaker 2: a South Korean Intelligence CIA operation that George Bush was
Speaker 2: number one was what they called the Moonies. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the Moonies, right, Yeah.
Speaker 8: I almost covered too similar to this one, but I
Speaker 8: did look into the Moonies quite a bit.
Speaker 2: They're very similar to and and a lot of their
Speaker 2: at least they're political and some of their you know,
Speaker 2: other belief systems to the the what's the right, the
Speaker 2: right wing, extreme right wing, ancient alien cargo cult, Chinese
Speaker 2: cult there in New York, the Epoch Times, the like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they fund Steve Bannon's operations.
Speaker 4: I know what you're talking about. Damn it.
Speaker 2: Yeahway you Why can't I think of the name of
Speaker 2: this group anyhow?
Speaker 6: They do the type.
Speaker 2: Is it they do?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 2: Don't all looking at real quick? But they're striking. So
Speaker 2: it's interesting. You know, we see these these weird intelligence
Speaker 2: biological agents, you know, equipped cults in Japan. Shot there
Speaker 2: you go, thank you, thank you, sir.
Speaker 4: The Salong Gong, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Jimmy Fallon Gong the podcast. I think that.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was like, was it there a cult like that
Speaker 4: and Deer but you were in Deer Park at one point, actually,
Speaker 4: I think and we'll know.
Speaker 2: No, they have a Feurner acre compound much like Dwhy York.
Speaker 2: It seems like Foreigner Acre compound is the proper size
Speaker 2: for these colts. Every time these these colts pop up,
Speaker 2: they have fourner acre compounds. Right, It's weird to me,
Speaker 2: but you know the they're they're strikingly something they fund.
Speaker 2: Seve Bannon, by the way, that the Fallon Gong cult,
Speaker 2: that's all war room broadcast he does. That's all foul
Speaker 2: and Gong money. It's almost like the Golden Thang. Foull
Speaker 2: Young Gong is very is very strikingly sellar. So you
Speaker 2: see you see that. But this is the my point
Speaker 2: being with the Fallon Gong is all like the Unification folks,
Speaker 2: but the same the same cult there in Japan that
Speaker 2: was equipped the same way as you're describing that murdered
Speaker 2: Shinzo app Abe fell up. They hadn't tended to Their
Speaker 2: next target was the head of the Unification Church. So
Speaker 2: these some weird cult wars. It seems like this going
Speaker 2: on amongst these folks, but it is obviously intelligence saving.
Speaker 2: It seems much like the Unification Church again was a
Speaker 2: South Korean eligency. I a thing with the back to
Speaker 2: back to when George number one was the Bush number
Speaker 2: one was the CIA director. Yes, the Moonies.
Speaker 7: Yeah, when you kill the other cult leaders, you actually
Speaker 7: get to absorb all of the followers.
Speaker 2: Only if you chop off their head Highlanders style headless.
Speaker 9: I think it would be only one Japan cooked. I
Speaker 9: have another.
Speaker 1: I have two more that I kind of wanted.
Speaker 8: Well, the last two are are going to go quicker
Speaker 8: because they're the modern ones and they're still like going
Speaker 8: on kind of.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I wanted to talk about Twin Flames and
Speaker 1: then talk about that.
Speaker 4: Ship is fucked up?
Speaker 9: Have you heard of it?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Should probably do well. Didn't you have one more before
Speaker 9: I had? Yeah? The Thuggies? Okay, have you guys heard
Speaker 9: of the Thuggies?
Speaker 2: You so from you?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You think you came on one of our one of
Speaker 2: the first Friday as you're on with us me and
Speaker 2: Nick there, we were talking some could stuff. I think
Speaker 2: you brought that to my attention because I've never heard
Speaker 2: of it before that.
Speaker 1: So I talk about the Thuggies briefly, and then after that,
Speaker 1: I think we should end on our two most modern cults,
Speaker 1: twin Flames, and I won't even say the name of
Speaker 1: his because it's ridiculous and it gives too much away.
Speaker 6: But so the.
Speaker 1: Thuggies, they are actually, in my opinion, one of the
Speaker 1: oldest cults of all time out of India. Let me
Speaker 1: pull up my notes here because I want to tell
Speaker 1: you the time frame because the they, the Thuggie actually
Speaker 1: were active for hundreds of years. I feel like, hang
Speaker 1: on just a second. So the Thugie, uh, they come
Speaker 1: out of India and they have a body count in
Speaker 1: the millions.
Speaker 4: So they they got billions over there, right, what they
Speaker 4: got billions over there?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the Thuggie exists stood all the way back
Speaker 1: to seventeen sixty. So they really are one of the
Speaker 1: oldest cults of all time. But where it really starts
Speaker 1: to get crazy is in the thirteenth century. That's where
Speaker 1: most of the debauchery happened, when this guy named Burrahm
Speaker 1: took over the Thuggy cult and it was all in
Speaker 1: a devotion to the goddess Cali. And I'm sure you
Speaker 1: guys are familiar with Cali worship and the blood letting
Speaker 1: and all of this, So they're one of history's deadliest cults.
Speaker 1: Somewhere in the neighborhood of two million people were murdered
Speaker 1: by the Thuggie, all in devotion to the goddess Cali.
Speaker 1: And they basically ripped and ran through India for like
Speaker 1: I said, hundreds of years. And they started using some
Speaker 1: kind of psychedelic drug that they would give to their
Speaker 1: vict stems to make them trip out and basically be
Speaker 1: tripping ball guys.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, this is where the word thug comes from.
Speaker 9: Yes, this is this is.
Speaker 1: Where the word thug comes from, which is still used
Speaker 1: to this day. Obviously, the guy with like the amazing
Speaker 1: beard and the little to pay thing.
Speaker 2: Uh got, he hates the world?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The guy right next to him is Brahm with the yeah.
Speaker 10: Right there, dude, I mean I can't scroll, So there
Speaker 10: we go. Dude, that's the face of a killer.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 9: Yeah, assassins or something.
Speaker 2: They were assassins, right, welse a lady killer jeels. I
Speaker 2: was going to say, I've seen these guys in James
Speaker 2: Bond movies.
Speaker 9: All of the James Bond movies. These are the villains
Speaker 9: and the assassin guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah that he fights out like the middle of the
Speaker 2: town with the snakes and shit. Yeah, yeah, dude, these guys.
Speaker 2: You don't want to mess with these guys.
Speaker 1: No, definitely not, because they would Basically, they'd get their victims,
Speaker 1: they'd dose them with some kind of a hallucinogen so
Speaker 1: they were tripping balls, and then they would strangle them
Speaker 1: to death.
Speaker 9: They never they never.
Speaker 1: Cut or stabbed any of their victims because that would
Speaker 1: be a waste of blood for Cali. So in order
Speaker 1: to preserve all of the blood so Cali could feast
Speaker 1: on it. In their theory is that they'd have to
Speaker 1: strangle their victims, but to subdue them, they would make
Speaker 1: them hallucinate.
Speaker 9: So I mean imagine that is like, yeah, it was.
Speaker 9: It wasn't a boga, she said. The name of the
Speaker 9: plant Bella Donna. No, it was some kind of thorn
Speaker 9: apple ship. It was weird. It was one of those
Speaker 9: if you're in the psychedelic world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the touring they called it the Indian thorn Apple,
Speaker 1: and then Hunter S.
Speaker 8: Thompson famously brought that back into the lexicon much like
Speaker 8: he did Adrena Crown the gypsum.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and these guys were using it to dose people.
Speaker 1: Like, can you imagine being tripping balls and then some
Speaker 1: Indian guy just strangling the ship out of you.
Speaker 9: Happened to me last night in my sleep.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I mean.
Speaker 9: What it actually so basically checking curry, you get.
Speaker 1: Indian thorn, apple of the bee hole when you need Oh.
Speaker 2: God, it was more of a metaphysical stomach strangling. But
Speaker 2: you know it's very similar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no ship, well actually ship because actual ship. So
Speaker 1: the Thuggies went went on for for many years, but
Speaker 1: Burrahm was eventually captured and he was killed for his crimes.
Speaker 1: But this is the part that gets me about this cult.
Speaker 1: So many people speculated that this cult originated as assassins
Speaker 1: under the employ of one of the most ancient Indian
Speaker 1: families of all time, which is the Brahmin family.
Speaker 8: I was waiting to see Headless's face because he's big
Speaker 8: into camel te uh huh.
Speaker 1: So it shouldn't surprise anyone that Kamala Harris is part
Speaker 1: of this ancient Brahmin family.
Speaker 2: I mean that where in for president, right.
Speaker 1: So if the Thuggies were under they were just assassins
Speaker 1: under the employ of the Brahmin family. It makes sense
Speaker 1: because when you look at today there are presidential candidates
Speaker 1: and many like the Weld family is connected to the
Speaker 1: Boston Brahmins and they are still an active elite family
Speaker 1: that is up to some weird ship. So members of
Speaker 1: the Brahmin family that I might recognize would be like
Speaker 1: President Calvin Coolidge, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Ralph waldo Emerson, Henry
Speaker 1: Cabot Lodge, Samuel Adams, John Adams founding fathers. They also, yeah,
Speaker 1: they go back to the Brahmin cast.
Speaker 2: You mean Lee Harvey Oswald's third cousin.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, is that right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oswald's a member of the society, hereditary member. When
Speaker 2: was the lady there in South Carolina? Nicky Nicki Haley,
Speaker 2: She's Indian Brahman.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Also John Carry is from the Brahmin cast, and John F.
Speaker 1: Kennedy was not related to the Brahmin, but he was
Speaker 1: associated with the Bramin through family connections and wealth.
Speaker 9: So I mean even to this day.
Speaker 1: I meangies existed all the way back to seventeen sixty,
Speaker 1: but if they were just assassins for the Brahmin family,
Speaker 1: and the Brahmin family is still active very much today,
Speaker 1: going all the way to Kamala Harris Julia, it doesn't
Speaker 1: surprise me at all. What's up? Pedless.
Speaker 7: Have you ever heard the Bill Cooper show Hour of
Speaker 7: the Time. He had a whole series Mystery Babylon, Mystery Babylon. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 7: man goes over the Assassin Cult and they go all
Speaker 7: the way back.
Speaker 2: To the Knight's templar and like even further. Yeah dude, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that stuff's crazy.
Speaker 5: And then he dude that there's an episode on there
Speaker 5: where he gets into like the Bush Family and dates
Speaker 5: it all the way from like its origin.
Speaker 2: It's wild, dude.
Speaker 1: Well, see, that's the thing is, I think there were
Speaker 1: a lot of these ancient cults that are in some
Speaker 1: ways still existing in some form today.
Speaker 9: And so the.
Speaker 1: Thuggie while that's where the word doug comes from, and
Speaker 1: that's still very much part of like our you know,
Speaker 1: pop culture thing is to call people bugs or whatever.
Speaker 1: The only itself is actually anciently old and still exists
Speaker 1: to this day, and they're in charge of like everything.
Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of people are actually
Speaker 1: kind of unfamiliar with the Thuggy cult themselves. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've murdered millions of people throughout time, and that's a
Speaker 1: huge ritualistic sacrifice in my opinion.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, especially in the name of like one deity like
Speaker 5: that Cali or whatever.
Speaker 1: The blood drinking Cali, which I feel like is it
Speaker 1: was Indiana Jones.
Speaker 8: Well, and that's one of the reasons they strength the
Speaker 8: Indiana didn't want to spill the blood.
Speaker 5: Right, So the guy in Indiana Jones, the Caliman guy,
Speaker 5: those are right, but I think they're somehow related.
Speaker 2: I think he was one of these guys.
Speaker 8: He was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these Indiana Jones guys would be descendants of like
Speaker 2: the Hashish assassins there right, Yes, yes, it's the same thing.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure, dude, full show. No, I'll say so,
Speaker 2: we have a lot of misconceptions about that his Jesus
Speaker 2: Sassins and the Knights Templar, but they were those two
Speaker 2: were the same organization and they fought other Christian and
Speaker 2: Islamic organizations. So we've been we've been sold some some
Speaker 2: bunk news on some of these dynamics. But if you
Speaker 2: want to look for the modern day Knights Templar, that
Speaker 2: is the society the Cincinnati So you were naming some
Speaker 2: Boston Brahman families, Julia, and that is a lot of
Speaker 2: those families have membership and representation in that in that group.
Speaker 2: The Secret Society that started America, which is literally the
Speaker 2: modern incarnation of the Knights Simpler descendants of the Templar.
Speaker 9: Well, I feel like.
Speaker 1: They just rebranded them.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like they used to be called the Thugie. Now
Speaker 1: they're called Society of Cincinnati. I mean, it's like the
Speaker 1: same thing. And it's like they just recycle the leaders
Speaker 1: of the cult. They're like the henchman. So they killed Burrahm, right, Oh,
Speaker 1: he was the bad guy that was in charge of
Speaker 1: doing all this stuff. So they killed him. And it's
Speaker 1: like that's when the Thugies dispersed and no more. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: because if you look at who was in control of them,
Speaker 1: they're still very active and they just have a new name,
Speaker 1: the cult now Society a Cincinnati.
Speaker 9: It's like that.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree there. They're they're they're a goddess war
Speaker 2: goddess worshiping group. And there is some Collie art in
Speaker 2: their headquarters that I have seen it. Not to mention
Speaker 2: Diane Athena, you know, this is the this is their
Speaker 2: you know, Hecatea, you know, so you know, I don't
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with what you're saying. I think that's
Speaker 2: kind of why we see elements of that Shinghan Buddhism
Speaker 2: and Collie worship that erupts within these later movements of
Speaker 2: this occultism in America. The process that is, so, I
Speaker 2: would argue all occultism in America goes back to the
Speaker 2: Society of Cincinnati. Joseph Smith was a member, for example,
Speaker 2: the president of the Theosophical Society after Bolvatski. Abner doubl
Speaker 2: Eday a member of the Society of Cincinnati. You see
Speaker 2: o g membership in the processed church represented represented by
Speaker 2: the Society of Cincinnati. Families, for example, Timanthy Wiley's wife
Speaker 2: was the daughter of a Society Cincinnati member. Wow creepy
Speaker 2: Hollywood film director John Waters, who joined I think in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy or sixty nine in New Orleans. His third
Speaker 2: great grandfather was the surgeon general from Maryland for the
Speaker 2: Society chapter in Maryland and the Wars of seventeen seventy six,
Speaker 2: so he was very likely a member. Sam goes for
Speaker 2: Jack Parsons, his third great grandfather also a colonel in
Speaker 2: the Massachusetts chapter. Back to the Boston Brovince. So occultism
Speaker 2: in America comes from these but we see these elements.
Speaker 2: So these people, what I'm saying is these people we
Speaker 2: see later in a gape lodge with parsons or the
Speaker 2: process with the literally the dude's name is Satan Drayton Astor.
Speaker 2: He's from the the Dradens of the South Carolina society family.
Speaker 2: The Astors are a New York society family. But that's
Speaker 2: his daughter marys Timothy Wiley. But we see these things
Speaker 2: in these groups today because it's in their blood lines.
Speaker 2: They got it in their families, right, This got passed
Speaker 2: down to them, this worship of these these occult practices.
Speaker 1: Well, episode is quickly turning into.
Speaker 9: A barn burner, real barn burner.
Speaker 1: JJ is coming at us with the straight facts, like
Speaker 1: that's crazy. And I do think that the you know,
Speaker 1: you can google it and it'll say whatever. But I
Speaker 1: think the state of California, I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: that name says a lot and a lot of these
Speaker 1: cults and weird shit come out of California. You know,
Speaker 1: if you look at Jim Jones, that was California. I mean,
Speaker 1: all the Laurel Canyon weirdness, it's all coming out of California,
Speaker 1: So I mean it's.
Speaker 2: Was that where Dahmer was too.
Speaker 9: No, Dahmer was in uh.
Speaker 1: Milwaukee in the middle. Okay, but there is some weird
Speaker 1: stuff with the Zodiac murderer coming up out of California.
Speaker 1: And also Ted Bundy spent a lot of time in
Speaker 1: California before he.
Speaker 2: Returned to y.
Speaker 9: Yeah, in my opinion, then Jack Nicholson played his role
Speaker 9: for a.
Speaker 2: While, right is that private private eye report of y'all
Speaker 2: want to check this out? From the comparing the Atlanta
Speaker 2: child commerce to the to the Son of Sam killing.
Speaker 2: So this was g Kellyan Associates out of Ulster County
Speaker 2: just north of New York City, I believe Kingston, New York,
Speaker 2: across the Huston from Westchester County. March of eighty two,
Speaker 2: so this was a eighty two report out of this.
Speaker 2: I don't even know who hired them, but this p
Speaker 2: I agency right out of New York g Kellyan Associates
Speaker 2: security and law enforcement consultants. So they do a comparative
Speaker 2: analysis between crime scenes and they don't have all the
Speaker 2: details listened here, but you'll see Atlanta child murders of
Speaker 2: dendum so they'd done a previous report. I don't have
Speaker 2: a copy of that. You see introduction in Wayne Williams
Speaker 2: Ritual Killings possible relationship to Burke which the dog Man.
Speaker 2: You know, this is a very interesting report. But I'll
Speaker 2: just highlight this one aspect of Shingun Buddhism dog one second.
Speaker 2: I'll put a link here in the chat if you
Speaker 2: want to include this in the show notes.
Speaker 4: Nike, Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Michael Carr and some of his other associates a Burkawitz
Speaker 2: incorporated a Buddha figure in their ceremonies in the same
Speaker 2: manner according to Shirley, that's the Atlanta child killing witness
Speaker 2: they have here. According to Shirley, that is that it
Speaker 2: was used in the Atlanta ceremonies. So that's a very
Speaker 2: interesting comparative analysis with his shing Gun Buddhism aspects of
Speaker 2: this these ritual human sacrifices here in America and this
Speaker 2: this Collie worship apparently as well as corn At Sanders,
Speaker 2: the Collie worship was part of that shing Gun Buddhism
Speaker 2: cult that he was tracking.
Speaker 4: MHM.
Speaker 7: Do we have a lot of the correspondences going into
Speaker 7: and out of the process charge.
Speaker 2: Uh. I mean there's various disparate archives of these things.
Speaker 2: One of the one of them in the University in
Speaker 2: Toronto that they won't let anyone look at. There's there's a.
Speaker 6: Whole pieces of we're not going to break in.
Speaker 2: Okay, No, there's no there's and there's interesting people have
Speaker 2: stolen ship in front these archives. So like I went
Speaker 2: to when I went to Princeton to look at the
Speaker 2: Ed Sanders archives, I wanted to hear the tiny Lentini tapes.
Speaker 2: You know, he's kind of the episode of this outlaw
Speaker 2: biker activity with the process and allegedly at the scene
Speaker 2: of things like Eton Pats's human ritual, human sacrifice in
Speaker 2: Westchester County according to him. But so we're never going
Speaker 2: to hear those three or four hours of audio recordings
Speaker 2: and interviews that he that was conducted with him with
Speaker 2: Ed Sanders in the nineties and moretary because someone made
Speaker 2: those things disappear. So when you look for communications, when
Speaker 2: you're your question headless, if there was anything important out
Speaker 2: there and vital information that's still out there, there's been
Speaker 2: operations to sweep these things up and cover it up
Speaker 2: in recent years, and I suspect it's gone to that,
Speaker 2: to that no moretarries files are so restricted from public
Speaker 2: access in large part, yeah, we only have a limited,
Speaker 2: limited hangout version that was available of the public. I
Speaker 2: can demonstrate that just I got some weird, slightly different
Speaker 2: set of documents mainly just the only thing more was
Speaker 2: just communication between Berkowitz and Terry and their pent and
Speaker 2: pelship over the years. But I was able to pull
Speaker 2: some interesting details out of that even and you know,
Speaker 2: just things that I know are in those files that
Speaker 2: aren't released publicly. The number one thing is Mary Terry's
Speaker 2: self self proclaimed investigation of the Orenthal J. Simpson case.
Speaker 2: So he took that was his main focus of the
Speaker 2: mid to late nineties by his own emission, but none
Speaker 2: of those are in his files. So that's just one example.
Speaker 2: So whatever communication, there was probably a lot of shit
Speaker 2: out there had us, but we just you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of this shit's getting actively swept up.
Speaker 8: So what made it into the ultimate evil is that
Speaker 8: just like the limit of shuring out shit you're talking about,
Speaker 8: it's all bullshit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Josh Eeman, the guy who snaked his way
Speaker 2: into Terry's life and got it the rights there. I
Speaker 2: believe I started along with James Franco looking at Ed
Speaker 2: Sanders files. Uh, Franco was calling Franco, this is what
Speaker 2: I mean by a collective effort. So you got the
Speaker 2: head of Satanic Temple, Doug aka Lucian Greaves there. They
Speaker 2: about assert they're an officer to the process. They use
Speaker 2: the piececope by their own missions, their own photographs, and
Speaker 2: their own statements. The pie scope is the processed Church
Speaker 2: version of the scientologists, you know, you know their little
Speaker 2: you know, it's their version of the the the E meter,
Speaker 2: the e meter you hold the cans they call, there's
Speaker 2: the piece cope, same machine. So you see those folks
Speaker 2: that dude's calling Ed SA. Why is that dude calling
Speaker 2: Ed Sanders in two thousand and nine, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Ed Sanders looking at his notes, he knew
Speaker 2: it was up. He's like, fuck, he didn't write fuck
Speaker 2: this guy, but he he wrote fuck this guy basically,
Speaker 2: you know. So you see that. Then you see Franco
Speaker 2: come in with Zieman shortly thereafter, tag team in both
Speaker 2: Sanders and Uh and Terry and I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't have overview of Terry stuff. And whatever I saw Sanders.
Speaker 2: Stuff could have been censored. They've already could have removed
Speaker 2: stuff because, like I said, those tapes were gone by
Speaker 2: that point. So but what I did see, it seems like,
Speaker 2: you know, Sanders thought something was up. He's still alive,
Speaker 2: if you know, he's nothing to talk about these things.
Speaker 2: But Terry sins his rights over for the production of
Speaker 2: Ultimate Evil and to go to HBO an HBO series
Speaker 2: with James Franco. Josh Eemens is working him at the
Speaker 2: same time for what he later produces as this documentary series. Right,
Speaker 2: this is twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, right when before Terry's death. Right,
Speaker 2: this is when they're working again. I this is from
Speaker 2: the purview ed Sanders is what I'm reciting here.
Speaker 8: But the.
Speaker 2: They turned, James Franco turned that that took those rights,
Speaker 2: did not make the HBO series of The Ultimate Evil.
Speaker 2: Made a YouTube series from his production company where Mary
Speaker 2: Terry's the bad guy and he dies at the end
Speaker 2: and then and that's called The Ultimate Evil. And then
Speaker 2: he made a movie called The Deuce The Deuces on
Speaker 2: HBO of many.
Speaker 9: The Q series or an industry series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's based on the essence Gay s and m
Speaker 2: porn series Mafia connections from the Ultimate Evil. You'll see
Speaker 2: Matthew I and l there, you'll see the character from
Speaker 2: the Ultimate Evil. So it's based on the Ultimate Evil.
Speaker 2: That was the licensed options of the Ultimate Evil. But
Speaker 2: he he took that, he took his own option, Franco
Speaker 2: did and turned it into that bullshit. So he highlights
Speaker 2: that literally, he celebrates the process pornography and gay gay
Speaker 2: s and m scene there in in New York City
Speaker 2: in the eighties in that series, right, And two important
Speaker 2: notes to take away from that is one of the
Speaker 2: researchers for Old Tom O'Neal and his book Chaos worked
Speaker 2: for James Franco on that movie set and ran a
Speaker 2: industrial rock magazine called Propaganda Magazine, which is expressly processed.
Speaker 2: So if you wonder what James Franco is interestedly when
Speaker 2: he when he makes uh bastardizes Terry's work, makes Terry
Speaker 2: the bad guy and then celebrates the process porno gay
Speaker 2: club industry there and does so with a member who
Speaker 2: was there present working for him and that guy who
Speaker 2: ran a propaganda magazine from for all this you know,
Speaker 2: process industrial rock music. Well, then he's the researcher for
Speaker 2: Tom O'Neal in this book about Manson where they never
Speaker 2: mentioned the process. Well, that's strange, you know, so a
Speaker 2: lot of that's what this is, what I mean by
Speaker 2: this organized I call them the processed church cover upper movement.
Speaker 1: Fuckers.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the it's active, you know. And I think
Speaker 2: what we're discussing here in a lot of these these
Speaker 2: other that g Kelly report that didn't make the light
Speaker 2: to day for many years, these these Buddhists, Collie worshiping,
Speaker 2: Shingung connections or you know, elements that were often kept
Speaker 2: in the dark from folks understanding what the dynamics of
Speaker 2: these cults and whatever the fuck they're doing. But understanding that,
Speaker 2: I think what quickly folks would understand that the smiley
Speaker 2: faced killers are an offshoot of these same activities.
Speaker 9: I agree.
Speaker 1: Wait till you hear this next one, Chris Corba or
Speaker 1: am I going first?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 8: All right, strap in for the Church of Euthanasia. Anybody
Speaker 8: here heard of that shit? No head lists you looked
Speaker 8: like maybe j jj.
Speaker 6: No, it's just descending into horror is unspeakable.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not familiar.
Speaker 1: Nick knows all about it.
Speaker 4: No, I know, I don't, but it's just like the name.
Speaker 4: It's just like exactly what head Liss is saying, Like,
Speaker 4: what the fuck?
Speaker 9: All right, so this one's last, that's my favorite? Is
Speaker 9: your favorite? So this character named Chris Korda, Oh what
Speaker 9: year was Chris Quorida born? And let me pull that
Speaker 9: the eighties?
Speaker 1: It seems like an eighties kind of guy.
Speaker 9: He's still alive. He's like, well she.
Speaker 1: She sorry, Tranny, We're.
Speaker 9: Not gonna do the prime game here.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry about that, but I'm gonna call Chris. He
Speaker 8: Chris is kind of bounced around the the identity spectrum,
Speaker 8: but Chris.
Speaker 1: Kept his penis, so I'm gonna go with he.
Speaker 4: All right? That works.
Speaker 8: So Chris Korda was born in nineteen sixty two to
Speaker 8: elite parents parents in New York City. I don't remember
Speaker 8: what his dad did. I think it was something in
Speaker 8: like media magazine, mogul something like that, and his mom
Speaker 8: came for money. They also, you know, raised him pretty
Speaker 8: high class, and like often happens, when these liberal rich
Speaker 8: kids don't have shit to give meaning to.
Speaker 9: They create it.
Speaker 8: And apparently Chris, at ten years old, saw New York,
Speaker 8: which doesn't add up to me. Nineteen seventy two, Chris
Speaker 8: was ten and claimed to have read a headline from
Speaker 8: the New York Times about global warming, but in the seventies,
Speaker 8: I thought they were warning about a coming ice age. Anyway,
Speaker 8: that's the story, and that just kind of changed the
Speaker 8: way that Chris looked at the world, and Chris wanted
Speaker 8: to make a difference. Got into college, was still to
Speaker 8: this day is a tech person, like really into the
Speaker 8: tech industry. And when in college, he was rooming with
Speaker 8: this person who was an activist from the sixties.
Speaker 9: And I don't remember this dude's name, but he was one.
Speaker 8: Of those guys you know, probably there in Chicago in
Speaker 8: sixty eight and all that kind of stuff, probably a plan.
Speaker 2: Were talking students for Democratic Society or the Weather Underground.
Speaker 9: Yeah he was.
Speaker 8: He read this guy rubbed shoulders with all of that.
Speaker 8: Let me see if I can find that dude's name, because.
Speaker 2: I would argue either an officer to the Processed Church
Speaker 2: or the Final Judgment Sir that in fact Bill Ayers
Speaker 2: ahead of the Weather Underground would write which formed out
Speaker 2: of the SDS would celebrate Charles Manson and double Sirhan
Speaker 2: throughout his life and various speeches and dedications and books
Speaker 2: both processings, you know, Sir Hans, Siran and old Charlie.
Speaker 9: Jesus. Yeah, I'm not finding this dude's name, but it
Speaker 9: doesn't matter. We can just assume.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't mean to go full process on.
Speaker 8: No, no, no, I was hoping you would and you
Speaker 8: didn't disappoint. Probably going to cut in because there's a
Speaker 8: lot of interesting shit in here. So Chris is rooming
Speaker 8: with this guy in New York finds out has a
Speaker 8: dream one night where he's visited by something called the Being,
Speaker 8: and the being spoke in weird languages and he didn't
Speaker 8: really get the message, but he woke up with a
Speaker 8: line almost like psychically driven into his head, Save the planet,
Speaker 8: kill yourself, and he tells his roommate, this old sixties
Speaker 8: activist guy, that this is the message he got. So
Speaker 8: they kind of started something here, and it was basically
Speaker 8: they got a bunch of other wackos who and this
Speaker 8: is nineteen ninety two, they take this shit to the
Speaker 8: streets and they would show up with picket signs and
Speaker 8: they would go like to kkk rallies and just like
Speaker 8: push their message. And then they finally got attention when
Speaker 8: they started going to like pro life rally and all that.
Speaker 8: They would walk around the crowds with like baby dolls
Speaker 8: on pikes and chant their slogans like eat a queer
Speaker 8: fetus for Jesus, make love, not children, saved the planet.
Speaker 8: Kill theirself was their main slogan, and they started getting
Speaker 8: some media attention. Now five years after all this, they
Speaker 8: really made it onto the scene.
Speaker 9: They got onto the.
Speaker 8: Jerry Springer Show, and it was a fully formed religion
Speaker 8: at this point, and they didn't call themselves a religion.
Speaker 8: They called themselves a church. But they actually this part
Speaker 8: we'll get to the Jerry Springer thing the second. But
Speaker 8: they file for religious tax exemption and the IRS came
Speaker 8: back and said, unfortunately, you don't qualify, but if you
Speaker 8: were to file as an educational foundation, you would be
Speaker 8: fully tax exempt. So the United States government gives these
Speaker 8: people educational foundation status.
Speaker 9: And this is the message. They have four pillars, which
Speaker 9: is do.
Speaker 1: You remember them, kill yourself.
Speaker 2: Four pillars, Okay.
Speaker 1: Side suicide, cannibalism.
Speaker 9: That's that's one of the last ones. It gets to
Speaker 9: get more shocking.
Speaker 1: Eat your fetus.
Speaker 9: Let me pull up the four pillars. But do you
Speaker 9: do you want do you want me to look up
Speaker 9: the four pillars.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll tell them about the Jerry Spring. So Jerry
Speaker 8: has this setup to where this woman me to this
Speaker 8: young woman who's thinking about joining the Church of Euthanasia
Speaker 8: is the subject of the show. And they bring out
Speaker 8: uh Corda who comes out in full trans woman attire
Speaker 8: and pastor.
Speaker 9: Vermin like you know, Vermin V E R M I N,
Speaker 9: and then this other guy.
Speaker 8: So they start talking about the church and what it is,
Speaker 8: and the four pillars are suicide, abortion.
Speaker 9: Cannibalism, and sodomy. And he's talking about that. Where do
Speaker 9: I sign.
Speaker 8: He's talking about the traditional definition of sodomy, like biblically nonprocreative,
Speaker 8: non pro creative acts of sex were encouraged, which does
Speaker 8: include anal but you know, you guys know about sodomy laws.
Speaker 8: There was oral sodomy laws. They did target Gaze with it,
Speaker 8: but biblically sodomy is any sexual act nonprocreative.
Speaker 9: So that's what he was pushing.
Speaker 8: Now, suicide, he put emphasis on it has to be voluntary.
Speaker 8: He can't want like a you know, jonestown type thing.
Speaker 8: He thought, you know, it's one way you can help
Speaker 8: out abortion. So the main the four pillars are there
Speaker 8: one thing, But the only thing you had to do
Speaker 8: was give a one time fee of ten dollars and
Speaker 8: take a vow to never reproduce. So as long as
Speaker 8: you never reproduced, you couldn't get excommunicated from this group.
Speaker 8: And then, like other cults. A little side note, some
Speaker 8: people even say this group wasn't a cult. I think
Speaker 8: it was, but they had actual people killed him. Yeah,
Speaker 8: so as we get further down the line, this actually
Speaker 8: does take hold. But they had like a stronghold of
Speaker 8: physical membership in the hundreds, but online this thing started
Speaker 8: spreading and is actually still active today.
Speaker 9: It's supposedly making a comeback.
Speaker 8: But he had his Springer appearance and he ends up
Speaker 8: hooking up with this political activist and they start a
Speaker 8: party to get ted Kazinski elected as president. And a
Speaker 8: little side note here, the funny thing they had some
Speaker 8: ordained saints, doctor Kraborkian and Margaret Margaret Sanger.
Speaker 2: This all sounds very discording like extreme ocation.
Speaker 8: So they actually practiced this Scordian and they really took
Speaker 8: their It's called Dottiism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the organizational structure that's telling to me as well.
Speaker 2: But the also the O the philosophies, as you're saying.
Speaker 8: In World War One, there was this art movement where
Speaker 8: it was completely satire, street performative, and they would make
Speaker 8: collages and stuff, and a lot of these protest movements take,
Speaker 8: you know, notes from this dottist movement. Discordianism I think
Speaker 8: came out of that too, But so apparently that's very old.
Speaker 9: So you got to tell him about his fabulous music selection. Oh,
Speaker 9: he's a techno musician too.
Speaker 8: And during nine to eleven he wrote a song made
Speaker 8: a music video that he posted a day after nine
Speaker 8: to eleven.
Speaker 9: Do you remember what the song was called?
Speaker 1: Baby Yo Baby.
Speaker 8: I don't remember the name of the song, but it
Speaker 8: showed the towers falling, interlaced with hardcore pornography interlaced with sports,
Speaker 8: and then he would masturbate and wipe himself with an
Speaker 8: American flag and even his members were like, whoa dude,
Speaker 8: this is wow.
Speaker 2: Dude. Yeah, I would have been like, whoa, bro, I'm
Speaker 2: out of here. It's a little too much.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and this guy today, when I was researching this,
Speaker 9: I pulled up some like pro Oh, what do they
Speaker 9: call it? Anti natalism?
Speaker 8: These anti natalist podcasts have this guy on you can
Speaker 8: listen to him. Within the last couple of years he's
Speaker 8: made making appearances and they're like touting.
Speaker 9: And holding this guy up.
Speaker 8: And he claims now that you know, he wasn't an agent.
Speaker 8: He said that, or an operative. He said, I used
Speaker 8: the street tactics of any operative.
Speaker 9: I knew what I could do. I knew the buttons
Speaker 9: I could push without getting the shit entirely kicked out.
Speaker 8: I mean, he did get assaulted several times at these rallies,
Speaker 8: but he also knew when it had, you know, it
Speaker 8: kind of had ran its course with him. He stepped
Speaker 8: back in the mid two thous and started kind of
Speaker 8: just letting the other people run it. And it's all
Speaker 8: about performance, it's all about being absurd. And he's contradicted
Speaker 8: his own message on several occasions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's still alive and hasn't killed himself. That would
Speaker 1: be number one. So he loved suicide so much.
Speaker 8: In nineteen ninety nine, he was interviewed by a publication
Speaker 8: and at that point nobody had killed themselves in name
Speaker 8: of the in the movement. But he did say it's
Speaker 8: a shame that no one has and that we don't
Speaker 8: get sued by their parents because then that would bring
Speaker 8: us a lot of attention. So in two thousand and three,
Speaker 8: I think I might have that year wrong, but it
Speaker 8: was somewhere in the early two thousands someone did it.
Speaker 8: And when he said to kill yourself, he said, if
Speaker 8: you do it, put like one of our pamphlets next
Speaker 8: to your body, or have our website pulled up, put
Speaker 8: my playlist on and so that the website's still active
Speaker 8: today if you want to take a peek at it.
Speaker 8: But anyway, so one person did commit suicide that was
Speaker 8: attributed then, but he has claimed that there were many,
Speaker 8: and he says he does have a little remorse for.
Speaker 1: That, but you know, not too much, not enough to
Speaker 1: kill himself.
Speaker 8: People have asked him, well, why don't you kill yourself,
Speaker 8: and he said, well, if I do, it'll be my
Speaker 8: decision and I'll do it when I feel like it.
Speaker 9: So I want to cough out.
Speaker 2: I have no I was just reading similar details. This
Speaker 2: is such a fascinating till I've never heard of these
Speaker 2: people before, so I appreciate.
Speaker 1: You all crazy, he shoshed me when he brought this up.
Speaker 2: This is the son of the head of Simon and
Speaker 2: Schuster for forty.
Speaker 9: Years Simon and Schuster.
Speaker 2: That's publisher the third largest publication. This call this transitor
Speaker 2: Culader is the son of that of Simon and Schuster.
Speaker 2: I you want to talk about connected right.
Speaker 1: There, right gg, isn't this the craziest ship you've ever seen?
Speaker 9: He's coblicly disavowed his parents, which.
Speaker 1: We know how that, yes, so did Jim Morrison.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's clever. No buy these things, but I
Speaker 2: do appreciate that the details are. That's always an interesting dab.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, I hate my parents, Yeah, of course
Speaker 2: you do.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I haven't seen my dad since we took a picture
Speaker 8: in his naval ship six months ago.
Speaker 2: Exactly when and when I in the sin that check
Speaker 2: last week they sent me. But the you know, well,
Speaker 2: Bill Airs is from Chicago. There were the SDS and
Speaker 2: the weather underground. His his daddy was the head of
Speaker 2: the Chicago Power Company. So you know, in Chicago serves
Speaker 2: as a published and these are just the thoughts I have.
Speaker 2: You know, they're going through my brain hole. Chicago serves
Speaker 2: still today as the center of public publications for all
Speaker 2: print media in America. So you know, you see, the
Speaker 2: son of the third largest publisher in America, you know,
Speaker 2: doing these things. You know, he really draws the question,
Speaker 2: what the hell's going on here?
Speaker 8: Church of Youth and Asia and this one, to me,
Speaker 8: I think it's interesting that the government allowed them to
Speaker 8: be an educational foundation with the messages they're pushing, and
Speaker 8: also the fact that they were really ahead of their
Speaker 8: time because these these things they're they were doing now
Speaker 8: are just commonplace.
Speaker 9: Back then, they were kind of, you know, groundbreaking for
Speaker 9: doing that kind of shit.
Speaker 8: And they didn't take money. They sold bumper stickers with
Speaker 8: their slogans on it. He said, they may have made
Speaker 8: one hundred thousand dollars, but they just put it back
Speaker 8: into producing.
Speaker 9: More merchs in Asia.
Speaker 8: And so to me, it's like a complete front for
Speaker 8: pushing a new narrative that now we have like Credit
Speaker 8: Thumberg running around and all this stuff wasn't going on
Speaker 8: back then, and these guys did kind of bring it
Speaker 8: to the forefront. And they also to bring back Project Mayhem.
Speaker 8: They did very Project Mayhem ask things that you know,
Speaker 8: at one phase in the movie where they're defacing Starbucks.
Speaker 9: And all that kind of stuff, they did shit like that.
Speaker 8: I mean, they would get arrested, get a lot of attention,
Speaker 8: move on to the next op I saw you.
Speaker 1: It's important to note that when we were doing this
Speaker 1: series like we were, I don't know if we were
Speaker 1: doing it intentionally, but I was definitely always trying to
Speaker 1: want him with my cult. So I would pick a
Speaker 1: cult and he would pick a cult, and we wouldn't
Speaker 1: tell each other which one we picked, and then we
Speaker 1: would like cover stuff about it. And when he brought
Speaker 1: this shit up, it's like, how the fuck do you
Speaker 1: top that?
Speaker 9: How the fuck do you top Church of Euthanasia? Like,
Speaker 9: what the fuck it? I had never heard of that
Speaker 9: shit in my life.
Speaker 2: That shit's wild, man.
Speaker 1: So what I did was the Twin Flames cult to
Speaker 1: rival the Church of.
Speaker 8: Youth what I originally I walked into the last week
Speaker 8: of this going all of these are so similar, Like
Speaker 8: we got to find some that just stick out. So
Speaker 8: I was trying to choose between Twin Flames and this
Speaker 8: Church of Ethanaia, and I told her and she's like, oh,
Speaker 8: I'll do the Twin Flames, and that one, to me.
Speaker 9: I think is more interesting. It might be.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good one to end on for sure.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and just how modern it is, So are.
Speaker 1: You guys familiar with the concept of a twin flame.
Speaker 1: Let me just first start with that everybody, that is
Speaker 1: pretty much okay, I.
Speaker 2: Am not Julian a heterosexual man, but please so all right, JJ.
Speaker 1: The the concept of the twin flame is very similar
Speaker 1: to that of like having a soulmate. So you know
Speaker 1: how when people meet and they're like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna be with them. There were
Speaker 1: soulmates've been, We've done many lifetimes together.
Speaker 9: Da da da.
Speaker 1: So the concept of the twin flame is not that
Speaker 1: you met like your soulmate. It's that your soul at
Speaker 1: some point broke apart into two pieces and you're only
Speaker 1: half of your soul and you have to find the
Speaker 1: other half of your soul in another human being, and
Speaker 1: when you meet that person, it's considered to be your
Speaker 1: twin flame, and that you're just two halves of a
Speaker 1: whole person.
Speaker 9: And then you can say the famous Jerry Maguire line,
Speaker 9: you complete me, you compete.
Speaker 8: I mean, this is literally like your other half, the
Speaker 8: indi or yang, And it's really big in astrological circles,
Speaker 8: like they throw that term.
Speaker 1: Around because the word well, I feel like because a soul.
Speaker 2: Now you mentioned that, I hear that turn around a
Speaker 2: lot jokingly amongst the community of some of my folks
Speaker 2: of the interwebs in the Idaho for community, particularly Lucy
Speaker 2: morning Star of the Princess of Darkness.
Speaker 9: She's a twin flame thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the key. Yeah, some of my some
Speaker 2: my media over there, they like to joke around about
Speaker 2: this twin flame concept. I don't know, familiar with the
Speaker 2: ins and outs of it. So now I'm starting to
Speaker 2: piece these things together. But yeah, when you say it
Speaker 2: gets tossed around that that astrology community, I see that
Speaker 2: now I've seen it.
Speaker 1: It's a very new agey concept and it is a
Speaker 1: big part of New Age spiritualism particular. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: sit here and say that I don't think there are
Speaker 1: aspects of like soulmates and stuff like that that isn't true,
Speaker 1: because I feel like you could meet somebody and be
Speaker 1: in a non romantic relationship with them, like a friendship,
Speaker 1: and feel like they're a soulmate or something like that.
Speaker 9: Like you know, obviously I call them mates.
Speaker 2: You know James.
Speaker 8: Bob soul tribes where he's like, yeah, you come back
Speaker 8: playing different roles to each other.
Speaker 9: Like your mom could be your soulmate.
Speaker 8: I don't know, Like romantically speaking, it seems like so
Speaker 8: this is an actual cull.
Speaker 9: It is a cult. It is a cult, but.
Speaker 2: It's not and it's not exclusively sexual what you're saying.
Speaker 2: It's also it could be plutonic. Well, I think so.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, they have taken the twin flame thing
Speaker 1: and made it romantic. But I think you can have
Speaker 1: a soulmate to me a non romantic person, Like, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, you can be a best friend or like
Speaker 1: whoever and feel like you've done lifetimes together. I think
Speaker 1: that's one thing to say. But like in this twin
Speaker 1: Flames cult, it's all about romance and sex. And basically
Speaker 1: this these two people, their name is Jeff and Saliah.
Speaker 1: They were aimed to theirselves divine. So Jeff and Salia divine.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 9: She was originally Megan Plant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, her her real name is Megan Plant. And I
Speaker 1: don't remember what Jeff's last name was. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jeff Eon, which I.
Speaker 9: Think is cooler. That's cooler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well.
Speaker 9: Ye Interestingly, he kept the.
Speaker 1: Jeff, Yeah, he kept Jeff, and Meghan became.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Shalia.
Speaker 1: Jeff and salia divine and so basically they said they
Speaker 1: were twin flames in that they had a divine gift
Speaker 1: of being able to tell you how to find your
Speaker 1: twin flame relationship and how to bring your twin flame
Speaker 1: to you if you haven't met them already. For the
Speaker 1: low low price of two high hundred and twenty two
Speaker 1: dollars a month for a twelve month program, they could
Speaker 1: help you find your twin flame.
Speaker 9: This is how it started, well and manifesting. Huh.
Speaker 8: Well, so, he as a kid would tell his friends
Speaker 8: that he was both going to be a millionaire and
Speaker 8: didn't you say something about starting a cult.
Speaker 1: So he said when he was in college that he
Speaker 1: was going to become a millionaire and that he was
Speaker 1: going to start a cult.
Speaker 9: And he wasn't into this romance shit.
Speaker 8: He was pushing like health hacks, health hacks and not
Speaker 8: really making money doing it. And then he meets her
Speaker 8: through online dating and they scheming together with her belief system.
Speaker 1: Yes she's the one who brought the Yes, she did,
Speaker 1: but she's the one who brought like the weird new
Speaker 1: age spiritualism into his life.
Speaker 9: Behind every heister, there's a bitchy woman fucking telling him
Speaker 9: what to.
Speaker 1: Do with petulipits, and so these two team up together
Speaker 1: and they're like, all right, we're going to tell everybody.
Speaker 1: They start a YouTube channel and they're like, we're going
Speaker 1: to tell everybody how to meet their twin flame.
Speaker 9: Da da da.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's two hundred and twenty two dollars
Speaker 1: a month for a twelve month program. And so within
Speaker 1: the first year that they have this course available online,
Speaker 1: they're already they've already made over a million dollars. So
Speaker 1: they're quickly millionaires. And they keep having to up the
Speaker 1: ante because people are not finding their fucking twin flames,
Speaker 1: even after they've paid thousands of dollars to Jeff and
Speaker 1: Shellia and it's been going on for a couple of
Speaker 1: years at this point.
Speaker 9: So what they do is.
Speaker 1: They tell these people, uh, you could say, I think
Speaker 1: my next door neighbor is my twin flame, and they
Speaker 1: would give you advice to stock them, to follow them,
Speaker 1: to work to basically harass these people. And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: if they're not into it, just keep pushing harder. People
Speaker 1: were getting arrested for stalking, people were getting somebody started
Speaker 1: stalking Ryan Gosling. That was a part of the Twin Flames.
Speaker 1: Coulton got a restraining order and so they they would
Speaker 1: tell people like, as long as you feel like it's
Speaker 1: your twin flame, even if the other person doesn't think
Speaker 1: that they are, you just stalk them to death until
Speaker 1: they agree to be in a relationship.
Speaker 8: One woman went to jail, Yeah, she did go to
Speaker 8: and then came back out and started going back to
Speaker 8: the Twin Flames Universe TFU, and they told her.
Speaker 9: Did don't stop. Yeah, they were like, try harder.
Speaker 8: One girl she was a little sister of one of
Speaker 8: the original members, and she they told her, you know,
Speaker 8: just keep your hopes up. Maybe some random guy is
Speaker 8: just going to send you a Facebook message that could
Speaker 8: be your twin flame. She gets this message from a
Speaker 8: guy that day. He sent her a song and said
Speaker 8: you're cute. They tell her that's their twin flame. She
Speaker 8: moves to where he is.
Speaker 9: He's a certified schizophrenic. He's a paranoid schizophrenic.
Speaker 2: She's like, I don't know if this is him and
Speaker 2: what match van in hell?
Speaker 1: He literally throws ship at the walls. He does anal digging,
Speaker 1: Oh what the fuck.
Speaker 2: Sounds wild?
Speaker 9: Does an wild But he sent her.
Speaker 1: A message on Facebook, and they said, that's your twin flame.
Speaker 1: So she moved to like Montana or wherever this guy was,
Speaker 1: moved in with him, then realized he was a paranoidhit's
Speaker 1: a friend of nineteen.
Speaker 9: He's like, she's nineteen, he's like thirty something. It was
Speaker 9: like forty.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, dude.
Speaker 1: And so she's like, hey, this guy, you know, he's
Speaker 1: got mental illness. He's into it.
Speaker 9: He's into like anal digging. The fuck is you remember
Speaker 9: this part the original presentation?
Speaker 4: What the fuck is digging?
Speaker 2: It's like sounds like I might involve hands Richard Gearnet.
Speaker 4: She's like, I don't know if this is my It's
Speaker 4: like the device is the hampster.
Speaker 9: Well then they told her, they told her it was
Speaker 9: her fault, that he was like that she hadn't done
Speaker 9: her shadow work.
Speaker 1: They do.
Speaker 8: They incorporate a lot of youngst this your twin flame
Speaker 8: is a complete fuck up.
Speaker 9: You need to work on yourself.
Speaker 2: If your twin flaming, you're fucking up, right. That's some
Speaker 2: of the run.
Speaker 1: So they tell this like seventeen year old girl that
Speaker 1: she's nineteen nineteen year old girl. So they tell this
Speaker 1: nineteen year old girl that it's her fault that this
Speaker 1: guy's into anal, digging and doing all this stuff, and
Speaker 1: I just stay with him. She lives with him for
Speaker 1: like three years before she just cracks and runs away
Speaker 1: and seeks But this is the.
Speaker 4: With this cold and so anal spunky.
Speaker 2: That's a wild colt. This is a wild colt I've
Speaker 2: never heard of.
Speaker 1: Listen to this JJ. So, like five years into this cult, right,
Speaker 1: they get this. They get this woman from the military.
Speaker 1: She's some kind of military psychiatrist to be a part
Speaker 1: of their team. And if you pay her three hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty three dollars a month for a twelve month program,
Speaker 1: she will implant false memories into your head of being
Speaker 1: sexually molested by your parents and convince you that you're
Speaker 1: transgender and that actually your twin flame has been a
Speaker 1: member of the cult this entire time. And so the
Speaker 1: problem was they had eighty percent women in the cult
Speaker 1: and twenty percent men. So they implant these false memories
Speaker 1: into these people's heads that they were actually transgender and
Speaker 1: that their twin flame was another woman in the cult.
Speaker 2: So to me, that's what that's what the sociologist said.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and she was a military intelligence therapist getting money
Speaker 8: from the Pentagon.
Speaker 2: By the way, were talking John joh Lalich, No, it
Speaker 2: was a female. Yeah. She looks like a hardcore bulldog
Speaker 2: lesbian and she's a devout Marxist. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: real classic all I'll just reading your biography.
Speaker 1: Well I do.
Speaker 9: Remember that about her though.
Speaker 1: So she puts all these false memories into people's heads, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you should.
Speaker 9: Distant from your family. They're using false memory syndrome.
Speaker 1: On the flip side, yeah, putting memories in your.
Speaker 2: Memory syndrome. The False Memory Foundation was formed by CI,
Speaker 2: you know, the CIA, to to dispel that the fact
Speaker 2: that they can do these things, in my opinion.
Speaker 9: And Temple was sucking his kids too, right, the guy,
Speaker 9: that guy.
Speaker 2: Was running it. Yeah, they expanded over these things, right.
Speaker 1: So anyways, but it's.
Speaker 2: The Tanny Temple fellow there, Lucy and Greeves. He graduated
Speaker 2: from Harvard with a degree in false memory syndrome stuff.
Speaker 2: Really that's great. Interesting.
Speaker 4: You know he's associated with Pete Diddy and all that
Speaker 4: shit too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, it man, I've been wanting to do an
Speaker 2: episode on that guy.
Speaker 3: It was crazy, I mean, trying to brag for her,
Speaker 3: but like Theresa did like a show on that, like
Speaker 3: when the whole thing first came out, and like the
Speaker 3: stuff she mentioned the show that's just coming out now.
Speaker 3: It's really funny how like you know, nobody hears about
Speaker 3: it when someone like that puts it out, but when
Speaker 3: the TV.
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting with this because it's, like Colby said,
Speaker 1: it's like the reverse of false memories, like where kids
Speaker 1: are actually getting molested and then they're like, no, you know,
Speaker 1: you weren't. You just made that up. In the case,
Speaker 1: it was like a bunch of normal people who had
Speaker 1: never been molested, and she was like, yeah, you were,
Speaker 1: that's why you're secretly a man inside.
Speaker 9: And you're also a little boy.
Speaker 8: You're also yeah, it's crazy working with him for years,
Speaker 8: but then when this transgender shit started.
Speaker 4: She I was hoping, you're going to get into that.
Speaker 9: I don't know if it was like hypnotherapy, but it
Speaker 9: was something like.
Speaker 4: That, Wow, oh, Jared's family right.
Speaker 1: Well, she would put them in a trance like state,
Speaker 1: hypnotize them, and then tell them that they were a
Speaker 1: man and that their twin flame was another female within
Speaker 1: the cult. And so I think a large majority of
Speaker 1: the couples that Jeff and Shalia put together that were
Speaker 1: two females. The majority of them that they said, you're
Speaker 1: actually a divine masculine or whatever. They ended up going
Speaker 1: through the full transition, tits cut off, clits off.
Speaker 9: They all have the receding hairline and beards. Now.
Speaker 8: Yep, some of them defected over this, but the ones
Speaker 8: that stayed even after the transition, some of them like
Speaker 8: call their parents.
Speaker 9: They're like, I don't know what to do. I made
Speaker 9: a mistake. I made a mistake. I can't get out.
Speaker 1: I have no glitterists now.
Speaker 5: Participate and those surgical procedures should be taken out back.
Speaker 9: Oh I agree with Jewels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's some dark shit.
Speaker 4: That's the stuffy.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of this cold. This is mind bobbling
Speaker 2: shit because I actually like going.
Speaker 9: They're still going to this stage. That's the crazy.
Speaker 2: So still they have quite a pr game going. I
Speaker 2: just looked at the firm that's running.
Speaker 4: It, just just wondering is it's still eighty twenty.
Speaker 9: I think they got it to fifty fifty.
Speaker 2: Because they got him effort well.
Speaker 8: They would go, they would go spend like a basic
Speaker 8: amount of time with this therapist lady and they weren't
Speaker 8: allowed to return back to the community until they fully
Speaker 8: surrendered to you know, being the divine masculine.
Speaker 2: That's insane, dude.
Speaker 1: They had to one agree that they were a man
Speaker 1: in order to return into the cold's activities.
Speaker 8: Well, and then the little side note here, they were
Speaker 8: trying to bring this kid into the world and she
Speaker 8: was going to be like this big spiritual dij and
Speaker 8: when she was, she got pregnant early in or told
Speaker 8: everybody early, and then something went wrong. They lied and
Speaker 8: said it was something because they didn't they artificially inseminated.
Speaker 1: They said that that in order to make sure that
Speaker 1: their baby was going to be a girl, they were
Speaker 1: going to go doing vitro to make sure that they
Speaker 1: she only got implanted with female embryos. But the problem
Speaker 1: was is something went wrong and she had a miscarriage,
Speaker 1: and they they told everybody in the cult that it
Speaker 1: was because not enough of them were transitioning and cutting
Speaker 1: their tits and clips off and that's why she had
Speaker 1: a miscarriage. So the ones that wouldn't transition, it was
Speaker 1: their fault that she's died.
Speaker 8: Definitely, they don't definitely original by the way they make
Speaker 8: them seems like you right, it.
Speaker 2: Seems like it is original or they're portraying it in
Speaker 2: that way. It's like, hey, you're not putting forth this
Speaker 2: energy to like yeah, and they're the ones dictating who
Speaker 2: is not who's not coming to meeting their qualifications. You're regels.
Speaker 2: It's the co leaders that can dictate these rituals and
Speaker 2: who they're incorporating in it. So yeah, I think that's
Speaker 2: all realistic.
Speaker 1: And so basically at the end, Jeff and Schulia have
Speaker 1: went crazy and they want everybody to.
Speaker 9: Move on to a compound with them. And he's Jesus.
Speaker 9: Now by the way, he becomes Jesus'.
Speaker 1: They got tax exemption as a church. He is the
Speaker 1: reincarnation of Jesus Christ. I like to call him Jeffy
Speaker 1: Christ Jeffy Christ.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: And they basically wanted all the members of the Twin
Speaker 1: Flames CULD to move on to this compound with them.
Speaker 1: And because they put everybody in female and female relationships,
Speaker 1: the problem is now they can't repopulate with the Twin
Speaker 1: Flames unless Jeff gets them all pregnant.
Speaker 2: So is trans required here. This was a trans requirement at.
Speaker 8: Some point only to get that eighty twenty ratio offset,
Speaker 8: and they noticed that they their whole model was falling apart.
Speaker 8: So instead of like your twin flame could be in
Speaker 8: your Facebook inbox, it was no. They've been a member
Speaker 8: of this cult all along, but the catches, you get a.
Speaker 9: Mess ectomy, and now you guys are a twin flames.
Speaker 2: What y'all explain to me is hauntingly similar to my
Speaker 2: experiences with my former stocker buffalo Jered Rivisa. I wonder
Speaker 2: if I was selected as his twin flame. That motherfucker
Speaker 2: would not take not for an answer, And he went.
Speaker 9: He went, went, He trans down.
Speaker 2: He trains out you transpocallipse multi state murder spree, and
Speaker 2: I said, no, Yeah, he trains down that transpocalypse multi
Speaker 2: state murder spree. And the guy, the first victim he murdered.
Speaker 2: The rest of ther all attempted murders. He didn't succeed.
Speaker 2: The first VICTIMY murdered, hired him as his pr rep.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying is I might have dodged a
Speaker 2: bullet there.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah?
Speaker 2: Is that wanted to hire? I did want to be
Speaker 2: my reps so bad, That's what I'm saying. I think
Speaker 2: you I think you twin flamed me. I'm telling you this.
Speaker 2: It was adamant about being I would say, it got
Speaker 2: so weird, dude, it got so weird.
Speaker 4: I wonder if the Zizians are into this shit.
Speaker 9: But like, imagine that though.
Speaker 1: It is like because they would tell you, like I
Speaker 1: could show up tomorrow to the Colt meeting and say,
Speaker 1: I think that Colby is my Let's say Colby was
Speaker 1: completely disinterested in me and had a whole another life,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I think Colby.
Speaker 9: Is my twin flame. She's actually telling the story of
Speaker 9: how we met. Fuck you.
Speaker 1: The thing, though, is they would say, Okay, go to
Speaker 1: their house, stalk them, go to their job.
Speaker 7: Go.
Speaker 1: So the one lady was like, I know this person
Speaker 1: is my twin flame. He was married, he had kids,
Speaker 1: he had an entire life. And she was like, but
Speaker 1: I know that's my twin flame. And they would tell
Speaker 1: her like, go to his house, go to his job,
Speaker 1: stock him, do whatever you have to do.
Speaker 8: They had some butch bitch that was convinced that this
Speaker 8: gay dude was her twin flame was happily coupled with
Speaker 8: another fella.
Speaker 1: Yea, she was wouldn't leave him alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine being on the other end of that stalking
Speaker 2: how's that? You know what I mean? Like, that's some
Speaker 2: wild ship.
Speaker 8: So what I was telling her is like, when this
Speaker 8: ship goes long enough, goes on long enough, if the
Speaker 8: lob isn't successful at keeping you guys separate, somebody's going
Speaker 8: to take it to the next level eventually.
Speaker 2: Yes, uh yeah, like they're going to try to murder you,
Speaker 2: stab you where you might have to murder them to
Speaker 2: stop that.
Speaker 9: Right, So this is the twin flames cold.
Speaker 1: It's got transgenderism, false sexual uh molestation memories.
Speaker 9: The lesbian version of Jelly West basically yeah, right.
Speaker 2: And that's a good that's a good comparison coal because
Speaker 2: she kind of looks like.
Speaker 9: The picture of her.
Speaker 2: Do uh do alien stuff.
Speaker 1: So the only thing that comes into that as far
Speaker 1: as like as a Terrik wise would be that Jeff
Speaker 1: thinks he's Jesus and told everybody he was, and then
Speaker 1: he said that in every relationship, which is something that
Speaker 1: maybe you guys can agree with, but in every relationship,
Speaker 1: whether it's a man and a woman, a woman and
Speaker 1: a woman, or a man and a man, there's always
Speaker 1: one divine feminine and one divine masculine energy, and so
Speaker 1: he took that and twisted it into top and yeah,
Speaker 1: basically he took that and twisted it into so now
Speaker 1: you have to trans transgender your physical body to match
Speaker 1: your spiritual body. And so that's like the you know,
Speaker 1: weird esoteric stuff, and the Twin Flame aspect in itself
Speaker 1: is part of the esoteric world. But that that's basically
Speaker 1: twin Flames in a nut the Twin Flame Cult in
Speaker 1: a nutshell, and.
Speaker 9: Definitely, j have you heard of the Twin Ray cult?
Speaker 2: I have not.
Speaker 8: They operated out of Ashland, Oregon, where I work, and
Speaker 8: it's like fourteen miles south of US, and they got
Speaker 8: all their money from these scientologists that basically are buying
Speaker 8: every historical monument and property in Ashland right now, and
Speaker 8: they funded this cult that's very similar to the Twin Flame.
Speaker 8: It's called the Twin Ray. I was wanting to talk
Speaker 8: to you about that at some point because they're definitely
Speaker 8: in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, I'll definitely look into that. Lets you know
Speaker 2: my thoughts on stut your message. For sure, we definitely
Speaker 2: do a show in the future you'd like.
Speaker 9: Yeah, for sure. I always love talking to colds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's into the CULTI verse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, short for that's a wild it's a wild shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: It was quite quite a ride there for about a
Speaker 8: month and a half, jam and all this. And then
Speaker 8: I watched a show on Hulu called The Path and
Speaker 8: I told Nick about it. And because I think it's
Speaker 8: got a lot of Oto stuff, it's got a lot
Speaker 8: of synon on stuff they just borrowed from all these
Speaker 8: fucking things I just looked into and kind of use
Speaker 8: that to douche my brain.
Speaker 9: One last two rah Right.
Speaker 2: Speaking of douce in your brain, folks in the interwebs
Speaker 2: want to douche their brain on the Sun of Sam
Speaker 2: Netflix series. That is propaganda. The Processed Church demonstrably answer
Speaker 2: your question from earlier. It just popped back in my brain.
Speaker 2: Hold the douche brain comment. The Processed Church did not
Speaker 2: just spand in nineteen seventy four. It's demonstrably proven. Just
Speaker 2: go to the Utah Secretary State Business search type in
Speaker 2: Best Friends Animal Society. You will see it operates under
Speaker 2: the same corporate structure and identification number as the Processed
Speaker 2: Church did, and you will see that they registered in
Speaker 2: the state of Utah as well as Louisiana. On June
Speaker 2: twenty first, nineteen sixty seven, when they invaded America. So
Speaker 2: we don't know the full scope of the history of
Speaker 2: their relations with Utah, but that's where they sit today
Speaker 2: and kind of as the Best Friends Animal Society under
Speaker 2: the same corporate structure and same identification number. So you
Speaker 2: can see the evidence there.
Speaker 7: If you go to the Walmart animal section, you'll notice
Speaker 7: they've got a big display for the Best Friends.
Speaker 4: And yeah they do.
Speaker 2: Sam Walton was deep, was deep with them. They got
Speaker 2: one other note on that, relative to that propaganda campaign
Speaker 2: to cover Upper Movement. I was referring to a relative
Speaker 2: to that documentary, I said Zeman. The documentary filmmaker moved
Speaker 2: in with Franco at the same time, seemingly on the
Speaker 2: same efforts but different paths. So Zeeman gets the rights
Speaker 2: to The Ultimate Evil, republishes it with the documentary right.
Speaker 2: He gets the rights to that as well, republishes an
Speaker 2: updated version, removes an entire chapter of what I would
Speaker 2: call you proto Smiley face killing incident with Andrew Crispo
Speaker 2: and the the the death mask murder of that same
Speaker 2: gay underground s and m scene as in The Deuce
Speaker 2: that that James Franco did with by bastardizing Molitary's work.
Speaker 2: So when you're removing an entire chapter about a very
Speaker 2: integral murder that I think is to this cult ritual
Speaker 2: human sacrifice activities, a proto s f K murder, if
Speaker 2: you will, well, I think there's something more to be
Speaker 2: said about that. You're just gonna go ahead and remove
Speaker 2: that entire chapter from a book that's thirty years old.
Speaker 2: So that's the that's that's that's the douche you want
Speaker 2: have to go doucee your brain hold up, set. I mean,
Speaker 2: you can get some good stuff from the documentary, but
Speaker 2: it is propaganda, and I.
Speaker 8: Don't like Netflix study in the propaganda is almost half
Speaker 8: of it.
Speaker 2: You know, I agree with you, sir.
Speaker 9: I like Joe Rogan episodes.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I like to see not only is
Speaker 2: not what they say, it's what they don't say, right,
Speaker 2: but it is also what they say, Like when the
Speaker 2: when the Satanic Temple's number two guys bragging that he's
Speaker 2: the go between from the old process to the new
Speaker 2: process and the process never ended. Well, then that's it
Speaker 2: is also what they say, right. He's a member of
Speaker 2: the band Skinny puppy or what wow, skinny.
Speaker 7: Peppy, and you can find a lot of this uh
Speaker 7: sort of mind control techniques all laid out in the
Speaker 7: Nexium case.
Speaker 6: Because it's all right there.
Speaker 2: That's the Albany Chapter, sir, bare bones.
Speaker 6: Like, that's the basic process way.
Speaker 2: Of doing shit, and it is now you're spot on headless.
Speaker 2: That's the we call him the next hum but it's
Speaker 2: really the evolution of the next the Albany Chapter of
Speaker 2: the Processed Church of the Final Judgment. In fact, I
Speaker 2: have a photograph from one of their own members and
Speaker 2: thought leaders, Swim Sims Bainbridge, pictured with them the Albany
Speaker 2: chapter as he lists that nineteen seventy eight. So again
Speaker 2: they never disbanded in seventy four. William Morrison, the skinny
Speaker 2: puppy guy, specifically says the Albany Chapter he's been a
Speaker 2: part of since the early eighties. So you know the
Speaker 2: idea that that you have two offstrets of scientology Nextium
Speaker 2: and the Process in Albany, both invading politics. Well, no,
Speaker 2: it's the same organization, right.
Speaker 6: They just don't close.
Speaker 2: That's they put a new flag up from. But I
Speaker 2: mean you know that the idea that next to him
Speaker 2: has not invaded both state and federal politics of the
Speaker 2: state of New York is preposterous. And it's not just
Speaker 2: Kirsten Gillibrand, the US sendor from New York who's replaced
Speaker 2: Clinton when she became Secretary of State for Obama. Her
Speaker 2: father was a paid executive and her stepmother slash first
Speaker 2: cousin is also a member, same new name, same cold,
Speaker 2: the same businesses has had less of saying that that
Speaker 2: this infiltration of government and whatnot is certainly within their
Speaker 2: their full scale of operations from day one. According to
Speaker 2: the files of Ed Xanders, Jerry Moonbeam Brown, the boyfriend
Speaker 2: of Linda Ronstadt, was a member of the Process Church
Speaker 2: of Final Judgment two times, three time.
Speaker 9: Governor, three time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he left four doors down from the Wonderland
Speaker 2: Murder hom there in Laura.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's, as I say, same trailer,
Speaker 1: different part.
Speaker 4: That's funny. You just move from one place the next.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having oh yeah, no, thank you so much. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this was awesome. There was a lot a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: Thank you, little barn burner.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, yeah, definitely was definitely was. Uh, we'll let
Speaker 4: everybody up like their shows. Real quick jewels. Since I
Speaker 4: know you're kind of in a rush too, I'll let
Speaker 4: you go ahead.
Speaker 2: Oh man, this was fun.
Speaker 5: I actually learned a lot, took some notes, so hopefully
Speaker 5: I can share that on Already Dead on Tuesday.
Speaker 6: Guys.
Speaker 5: Uh, this drops well every Tuesday eight thirty Central. Already
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Speaker 5: the kind of the behind the scenes for it. But
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Speaker 2: Again.
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Speaker 5: sending sticker packs out to all my patrons. You get
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Speaker 5: Thank thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 4: Bro of course, of course, always love you.
Speaker 9: You got like a Matthew McConaughey thing going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, yeah, I've been told that.
Speaker 4: I've actually had listeners hit me up and told me that.
Speaker 2: First started podcasting.
Speaker 5: I do a lot of stuff with Nate from the
Speaker 5: Realities Ours podcast, and uh, he's had people like send
Speaker 5: him uh emails and stuff be like hey, bring Jules
Speaker 5: back on the show. Yeah, he sounds like math. You know,
Speaker 5: it sounds like Matthew McConn. I've had people sending rumble
Speaker 5: rants for me to say, like all right, all right,
Speaker 5: all right and all that stuff.
Speaker 9: I want to hear you say time as a flat circle,
Speaker 9: a flat circle that sound.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm from Mississippi, man, so I can't help it.
Speaker 9: You know. Hey, she's got one too. It's like a
Speaker 9: hybrid of accents.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's good meeting Colby and YouTube man and Julia.
Speaker 5: Try and get you guys on the show sometime. I
Speaker 5: usually go live on weekends and stuff, but I can
Speaker 5: always always schedule. But uh, headless, JJ got to get
Speaker 5: you guys on soon as well. Yeah, thanks again, Nick,
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 4: Hell hell you and JJ vans everybody know they can
Speaker 4: find all your amazing work.
Speaker 2: Please, Nick appreciate the invice always, Sir, Julia Colby, you
Speaker 2: all blew up my brain hole with some new cold details,
Speaker 2: and I do appreciate that. Yeah, Headless, always a great
Speaker 2: conversation with you, sir Jules. I'll be happy to pop
Speaker 2: in over there at already dead anytime I can enjoy
Speaker 2: the conversation. Last week, folks the interwebs. JJ Vans has
Speaker 2: of Operation GCD, not the vice president. I got an
Speaker 2: Operation GCD Sundays. Uh, Patreon check that out. Got In fact,
Speaker 2: this will be coming out later but tonight as we're
Speaker 2: recording it. Tonight, I'm telling the tale of Buffalo Jared Viza,
Speaker 2: my my twin flame. That's tell me, tried to hire
Speaker 2: me as my pr Try to get me to hire
Speaker 2: him as my pr rep. Then, uh, when I'm multi
Speaker 2: state murders free later from a guy he who hired
Speaker 2: him as his pr Repypno human hamburger gay no, No,
Speaker 2: that's next week. So that's Nathaniel Barr Jones, Sir, that's
Speaker 2: the human Hamburger guys next week. So that's the Yeah,
Speaker 2: I tell you that guy's pure eval. I came eyeball
Speaker 2: to eyeball with him, and I may have eaten some
Speaker 2: human burgers.
Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say, JJ, we're working on some
Speaker 1: projects around the house today. I think we'll tune in
Speaker 1: tonight so we can hear about Buffalo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bufflo Jared. Yeah, So his family is the mind
Speaker 2: He could be a mind controlled assassin from a very
Speaker 2: famous sports hypnotist family. Because the Revisa sports hypnotist business,
Speaker 2: which he was a part of. They broke the curse
Speaker 2: of the Goat, the Chicago Cubs curse to let them
Speaker 2: win the World Series after nearly one hundred years the Cubs.
Speaker 2: The Cubs think Ken Revisa for doing that. So definitely
Speaker 2: check that out. My control assassin sawing me twin flame style,
Speaker 2: I think so appreciate everyone's time and conversation.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: And then Operation and then we got Fridays Operation g
Speaker 2: C D and uh CLT rejects. Can't forget that. We
Speaker 2: got phil phil Z coming back out this week when
Speaker 2: this is coming out. So he's coming out either this
Speaker 2: week or in the past.
Speaker 4: So we'll pipe you in the past by the time.
Speaker 9: That's Philip Phillips Tazarro.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 8: That guy's fucking uh photographic memory. I swear to God,
Speaker 8: if he's read a book, it's in there.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I claim he's an agent of the Dewey decimal
Speaker 2: system accusations. Man.
Speaker 4: But uh, thank you very much, JJ and Headless please.
Speaker 6: Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 7: Thank you guys and JJ and uh Julia and Casey Kate.
Speaker 7: Sorry anyways, you could find me on my X channel.
Speaker 7: Look for the Giant on X and on YouTube just
Speaker 7: look for Headless Giant. I just got done doing a
Speaker 7: show yesterday about the Goldmans, so you can check that out.
Speaker 6: We're talking about the.
Speaker 7: Rock structures all around the Great Lakes region and their
Speaker 7: striking similarity to the Phoenician sort of incursions into America
Speaker 7: and it answers a lot of questions that if you
Speaker 7: if you're looking at the origins of the you know, knights,
Speaker 7: templar and stuff like that. So you can check out
Speaker 7: my channel there and uh yeah, you'll find me on
Speaker 7: Thursdays reading your emails if you send them to me
Speaker 7: at Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 3: Thank you awesome, Thank you so much. And Julia Coolby
Speaker 3: please let everybody know what's up.
Speaker 2: Go for you.
Speaker 1: So I I'm obviously on occult rejects quite often, so
Speaker 1: you know's I make a joke that if you haven't
Speaker 1: found me yet, you never will, but I will say
Speaker 1: if you if someone is listening to this and they
Speaker 1: do want to work with me in the future or
Speaker 1: you know whatever, you can go to Instagram. It's Cosmic
Speaker 1: Peach dot podcast. I have my link tree there where
Speaker 1: you can send me a direct email, and that's that's
Speaker 1: the only way that I will be able to respond
Speaker 1: to you because my inbox is crazy on Instagram. I
Speaker 1: barely ever check it. So please don't send me a
Speaker 1: message on Instagram and then get mad at me because
Speaker 1: I didn't respond to you. So yeah, link tree is
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Send me an email. Thanks for having me, Nick.
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure. Love coming on the Occult Rejects,
Speaker 1: whether I'm just sitting in or the guest or whatever.
Speaker 8: Koby all right, Conspiracy, playtime dot com. It's just kind
Speaker 8: of the hub and anywhere you listen to podcasts. Just
Speaker 8: did an episode of William Ramsey about Austin, Texas comedy
Speaker 8: and the Smiley Face. That one's worth checking out. And
Speaker 8: I want to mention that we did this show for
Speaker 8: this series she does on the cult of conspiracy. But
Speaker 8: at the end we did a bonus episode with we
Speaker 8: take is It five five five of the top colts,
Speaker 8: you know, the most well known, and we give them
Speaker 8: a rating system, and then we throw the cults that
Speaker 8: we covered into that rating system mix, and some of
Speaker 8: them made it up kind of high compared.
Speaker 1: To the you know it was like a Jeopardy for cults,
Speaker 1: and you can only see that on a cosmic Patriots
Speaker 1: pay to play.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but it's it's worth checking out. Actually, we kind
Speaker 9: of just thought, what can we do. I didn't think
Speaker 9: it would go as well as it did, but it
Speaker 9: was fun. We're listening to that's.
Speaker 4: Great, nice, nice, Well, thank you both very much. Again,
Speaker 4: that was awesome. You guys killed it like you always do.
Speaker 9: And yeah, kind of kids met man.
Speaker 8: You had a Colt guy, count Cancel, and we just
Speaker 8: ended up doing this and we're all fresh and yeah.
Speaker 4: It worked out perfect. Thank you. It's awesome.
Speaker 8: Yeah, both JJ and Headless. I'd like to work with
Speaker 8: you both on my show too at some point. I
Speaker 8: mean there's lots to cover. You guys are both the
Speaker 8: wealth of knowledge and your own rights for sure.
Speaker 2: So yeaes sir. I appreciate your all the time as well.
Speaker 2: And I'll get back to you on that that Oregon
Speaker 2: cult you're describing all right. Oh dude, I've been so
Speaker 2: deepn Oregan activities, dude, Portland, Salem, so that you just
Speaker 2: added to my topography of situations out there that I'm gonna.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we're only about an hour and a half north
Speaker 8: of Mount Shasta as well, so we're in the thick
Speaker 8: of the weird shit.
Speaker 2: I've been on the north, but now I'll check out
Speaker 2: this stuff. But I do appreciate that America was founded
Speaker 2: by cults.
Speaker 6: So do you want to know history of America? No
Speaker 6: cult history?
Speaker 1: Best parting words ever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people, the craziest belief came over here. Awesome, thank you.
Speaker 2: Well again they went west.
Speaker 4: Yeah and uh yeah.
Speaker 3: That is the end of another recult rejects and until
Speaker 3: the next one, everybody be well later.