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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property. And for this week of January sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>we are continuing with Laws Season two, Episode three orientation

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<v Speaker 1>as we move into phase two of Lost. Who are

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<v Speaker 1>all these weird people?

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<v Speaker 2>There?

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<v Speaker 1>Whole thing just a psychological experiment? Tell us now it

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<v Speaker 1>was for the viewers. Possibly, Yeah, weird stuff? Can we

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<v Speaker 1>throw out and people will continue?

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<v Speaker 2>People will watching, keep watching.

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<v Speaker 1>You must push the button for ABC every time this night, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and there will be an entertainment program.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh weird things so entertaining.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, did you feel that you wanted to watch that

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<v Speaker 1>orientation again? Take again?

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<v Speaker 2>Like bluck? Jack was like, no, I'm not watching it again.

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<v Speaker 2>The lock was just I feel like that if they

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<v Speaker 2>watch it one more time, it's gonna fall apart. Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's right, that piece of actual media is so weakened

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<v Speaker 2>that is really not gonna last.

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<v Speaker 1>But how old are we that we remember them when

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<v Speaker 1>that was a thing, right, that little classroom?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh golly.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the ancient computer which they have to have

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<v Speaker 1>to send out to, sayid to come fix.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know the fact that he actually did fix

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<v Speaker 2>it within like twenty minutes is something going Babe, babe

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<v Speaker 2>that that also defies belief.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, But I mean the fact that he

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<v Speaker 1>did do it. And then Jack's like, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to push the button. I get it. It's like I

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<v Speaker 1>fixed the bleeping computer. Hit the button. Well, it's so

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<v Speaker 1>important that I had to run here through the jungle

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<v Speaker 1>to fix it for you hit the button.

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<v Speaker 2>Hit the button, I mean anyone could have hit the button.

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<v Speaker 2>Lock O, Kate say any of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Just reached over and said, oh, for goodness sake, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Hurley was not the one involve the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Hurley was the only one who was like, hell no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not touching.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, Hurley had found the pantry, so I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna see him for a while. Kate leave any

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<v Speaker 1>candy bars for him, I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Kate didn't have very much room in her tiny pockets,

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<v Speaker 2>off her tiny jeans.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring a backpack next time, girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, now, you know it's there.

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<v Speaker 1>You have that locked case still somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack has the key. He has the key. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>The most curious thing to me about that whole side

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<v Speaker 1>of the plot was in episode one of this season,

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<v Speaker 1>Man of Science, Man of Faith ended with Jack getting

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<v Speaker 1>a good look at Desmond and saying you right, and

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<v Speaker 1>then subsequent flashbacks of that scene did not include that

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<v Speaker 1>this one it was Desmond who recognized Jack.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what the heck? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so I've been waiting for the payoff of that

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<v Speaker 1>scene where Jack says you and Jusman says you. They say,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my goodness, how could this possibly be? And they

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the weirdness of them both being one place.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't really got that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and then they didn't talk about it until after

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<v Speaker 2>Desmond had run off, right, yeah, departed from the bronker.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack chased him and they had a conversation in which

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<v Speaker 1>Desmond forced Jack to say that he had married his

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<v Speaker 1>no longer was like, does have to be about Jack's

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<v Speaker 1>love life? Could must not be about the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>what are the odds that two dudes who randomly met

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<v Speaker 1>this same funky island, Right, that's the meat of the conversation, gentlemen, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>not so much, not so much what happened to his patient?

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<v Speaker 1>And are they still married?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And then Desmond runs off into that conversation has never had.

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<v Speaker 2>So they could have even just talked about like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you find any good place to run around here?

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<v Speaker 1>That's right?

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<v Speaker 2>I know you like to run for fun and fitness.

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<v Speaker 1>Running randomly through the jungle keeps us, keeps us fit,

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<v Speaker 1>and also having no food except for they got Desmond's digs,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Yeah, everybody can move in. They can have

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<v Speaker 1>a groovy time.

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<v Speaker 2>Got lots of food, got some injectable drugs, weapons of

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<v Speaker 2>the turntable.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, some swinging music, so yeah. We didn't know,

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<v Speaker 1>come on down.

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<v Speaker 2>We did get a look at the arsenal that is

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<v Speaker 2>in that in that book.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wow, yeah, did the others come on now? Kate

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<v Speaker 1>helped herself to a sawyer and Michael and yes, that

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<v Speaker 1>was the other half of the plot, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>drift Aways landing and being you know, rudely smacked in

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<v Speaker 1>the nog and and dragged off by fishing net to

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<v Speaker 1>a hole in the ground a pit, yes to which

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<v Speaker 1>I just because I just read a book about parts

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<v Speaker 1>and recreation, which we're going to talk about later this week.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've heard a voice, right, they did, and then.

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<v Speaker 1>Another another prisoner was thrown into the pit.

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<v Speaker 2>With them, right, who could this be? And I remember

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<v Speaker 2>when we did meet her at the airport and Lucia

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<v Speaker 2>she met Jack. Yes, well you did. You did urge

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<v Speaker 2>me to that's true. And not forget this face spoiler. No,

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<v Speaker 2>that's okay. I mean that you have to believe that

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<v Speaker 2>anything they're showing you in any flashback or otherwise, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not happening at the present time. Right, it's going to matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So in this case, she turns out to be

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<v Speaker 1>a spy for the other others that are have hidden

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<v Speaker 1>at them, right, perhaps being that she was on the plane.

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<v Speaker 1>What conclusions do you draw from that about the people

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<v Speaker 1>who have thrown them in the pit?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Are they the others as in they have been

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<v Speaker 2>on the island throus so others? Or are they others

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<v Speaker 2>from the other piece of the plane?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they the others or the the other others? There

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<v Speaker 1>eventually a lot of other others.

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<v Speaker 2>But this island is just teeming with people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, not yet though, so yeah, so that looks

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<v Speaker 1>like it's going to be an interesting bringing together if

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<v Speaker 1>anybody ever decides to trust each other and not throw

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<v Speaker 1>them in holes on the ground right and hit them

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<v Speaker 1>on the head, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's interesting that it's very Lord of

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<v Speaker 2>the Flies that you know, we're automatically going to be

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<v Speaker 2>whacking people on the head before we even find out

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<v Speaker 2>who they are.

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<v Speaker 1>And interesting that our I don't know that our the

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<v Speaker 1>castaways we've been following thus far seemed to be like

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<v Speaker 1>a more civilized bunch because they got Jack, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>well they also got Sawyer and Kate, so who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>it could have gone either way. But and Sayid, Sayid

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<v Speaker 1>was torturing people early on, so well, one person, one person.

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<v Speaker 1>If it had just been Kate and Sawyer and said

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<v Speaker 1>in a little group, things could have gone very sour.

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<v Speaker 1>But this, this group seems to have been maybe had

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<v Speaker 1>a harder time of it because they are hitting unconscious first,

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<v Speaker 1>asking questions later.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And they have already created this pit for keeping

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<v Speaker 2>their enemies in.

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<v Speaker 1>The dog. But those wax on the head with a

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<v Speaker 1>stick or an oar or whatever that was they were

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<v Speaker 1>hitting them with, there would have been concussions in like

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<v Speaker 1>cerebral hemorrhages and broken skulls. Would it not have been

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<v Speaker 1>those look like administered with a blunt instrument and a

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<v Speaker 1>significant amount of force, right?

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<v Speaker 2>And weren't some of those blunt instruments like studded with nails.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they're just jumping up again and saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how do we get out of here?

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<v Speaker 2>Boys?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm sure your brain won't fall out?

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<v Speaker 2>Your eyeballs? Fine?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, yi again? We say we need a minute clinic

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<v Speaker 1>here at the yeah on the island, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a small surgery. Yes, I hope everybody brought their insurance card?

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<v Speaker 1>Did they get those out of the crack? I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>we see that your brains are falling out but we

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<v Speaker 1>don't take your insurance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we don't take that back in the pit with you.

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<v Speaker 1>But speaking of flashbacks, now, I know they've gotten themselves

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<v Speaker 1>into a pattern now that they have to do the flashbacks,

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<v Speaker 1>but you've got all this exciting stuff going on in

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<v Speaker 1>the island, and the flashbacks were basically about remember what

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<v Speaker 1>a loser Locke was? Boy? Was he a loser? Boy?

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<v Speaker 1>Look at this shmo, looking at this nice lady, and

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<v Speaker 1>he just can't stop doing the stupid things. We know,

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<v Speaker 1>we know that already. You've shown that to us at

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<v Speaker 1>least twice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, can we go back to the end. Here's how

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<v Speaker 2>he looks when he has hair, which is not good.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm happy to see Katie Segal, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>and that was fine, but it was just such a

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<v Speaker 1>every time we went to the flashback, like, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is not where we want to be right now, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're going over the same ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you're gonna go this direction, like give us

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<v Speaker 2>something more.

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<v Speaker 1>Us something new.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they're really like eking it out so slowly.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we got to get to how did he

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<v Speaker 2>get it, you know, paralyzed or whatever the problem is

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<v Speaker 2>with his.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they had shown us that it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been worth it, but this just seemed like inching along,

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<v Speaker 1>right with more of the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they're going to keep doing that with Jack

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<v Speaker 2>and Sarah, you know, Julie Bow and she spoonfuls exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>This is about the point that they were at which

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<v Speaker 1>they realized, oh crap, we're a hit. We have to

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<v Speaker 1>keep this going for.

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<v Speaker 2>It, right, we need to slow Our.

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<v Speaker 1>Role is how many more episodes can you do this season?

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, what's your six year plan?

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<v Speaker 2>And then they're like, six what.

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<v Speaker 1>We're planning to crawl into a pit.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks this nice hatch.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just gonna go down and play play records, hit

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<v Speaker 1>a button.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I but parenting wise, in the contest for Baddest bad Dad,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Locke's dad has pretty much wrapped that up,

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<v Speaker 1>has he not?

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<v Speaker 2>Eikes? Yeah, I mean even Christian Shepherd is like Christian

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<v Speaker 2>Shepherd is like the stopped clock. That's right, twice a day.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, but whatever his did Jack go away?

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<v Speaker 2>You are not wanted, You're not wanted?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yikes, which I believe he said before a couple

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean he did consent, but he was duped.

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<v Speaker 1>He was duped. Think you think you're the only one

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<v Speaker 2>The dad said, rude. Yeah, and we have never seen

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't I don't remember if that

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<v Speaker 2>This is quite true.

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<v Speaker 1>And the whole thing of there's this whole huge job

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<v Speaker 1>out the boy to go to Starbucks we've been dad

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<v Speaker 2>Right, figure it out. Here's a film strip that shows

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, but also probably the way you feel when

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<v Speaker 1>you leave the hospital with the baby. Yes, wait wait

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<v Speaker 1>about taking a leap of faith, which is certainly something

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<v Speaker 1>that is that parents do on a regular basis, like

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<v Speaker 1>sure I could do this, or to a kid, sure

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<v Speaker 1>knows what if you're wrong and they can't and then

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<v Speaker 1>horrible things happen. But so yeah, although the whole thing,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's let's try not to adopt that as a

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, if you need the kid to

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<v Speaker 2>Blow up if you don't get up and hit that

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<v Speaker 2>butt right now. It is like a like a smoke alarm, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess those don't increase, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what are very bossy from a parenting

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<v Speaker 1>point of view are baby monitors. Yes, we have one

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm using as an intercom with my daughter since

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<v Speaker 1>I leave it unplugged upstairs and it starts getting low

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<v Speaker 1>in battery, it makes this sound like and it's the

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<v Speaker 1>smoke alarm? You poke the smoke alarm a few times? No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not that didity. Is there a animal hidden someplace here?

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<v Speaker 1>this very loud voice comes from the upstairs unit that says,

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<v Speaker 1>please see to your baby. The unit is disconnected. It

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<v Speaker 1>is too far away from the because which makes sense

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<v Speaker 1>because if you really are using it for a baby,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to know if you're not able to hear them,

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<v Speaker 1>year old. It's really probably not that important all down

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<v Speaker 1>down there, eventuating you must come right now there's a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so yeah, we have we have a sump pump.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually we have two of them in our in our basement,

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<v Speaker 2>and it has like a battery backup or there's some

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<v Speaker 2>in the basement, like in the corner, you know, further

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<v Speaker 2>not a smoke detector, it's not the timer on the microwave,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what is it? And then finally you have to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're like, am I warmer warmer with bb B?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, finally there it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that I do another episode of family game shows

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<v Speaker 1>that would be one find the thing that right?

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<v Speaker 2>What is being it's it's a companion piece to what

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just before we're done. And this

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<v Speaker 1>little exchange where Hurley says things are finally returning to

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<v Speaker 2>Hurley, don't say that kind of thing out loud. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing we learned as parents. You never say that.

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<v Speaker 1>You never say, well, thank goodness everything, Everything's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>fine now good crash or well. Next Tuesday, we will

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<v Speaker 1>continue with season two, episode four of Lost, which is

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<v Speaker 1>called Everybody Hates Hugo. I don't hate I don't hate Hugo.

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<v Speaker 1>I there be an episode of Hugo just enjoying the

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<v Speaker 1>offerings of Desmond's pantry. But maybe that's why everybody hates him,

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<v Speaker 1>he ate all the food. But yeah, so I suppose

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<v Speaker 1>that's a hurly flashback episode. And you know, why the heck? Not?

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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>He's must be in such apple plexy over the constant

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<v Speaker 1>use of the numbers, having seen them typed into a computer, right, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is in the bunker with those numbers on the door.

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<v Speaker 1>It's right, it seems perfectly normal. I'm sure there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to worry about right anyway, So we will see you

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<v Speaker 1>back here tomorrow to discuss shrinking, which takes place entirely

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