Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property. And for this week of January sixth,
Speaker 1: we are continuing with Laws Season two, Episode three orientation
Speaker 1: as we move into phase two of Lost. Who are
Speaker 1: all these weird people?
Speaker 2: There?
Speaker 1: Whole thing just a psychological experiment? Tell us now it
Speaker 1: was for the viewers. Possibly, Yeah, weird stuff? Can we
Speaker 1: throw out and people will continue?
Speaker 2: People will watching, keep watching.
Speaker 1: You must push the button for ABC every time this night, Yes,
Speaker 1: and there will be an entertainment program.
Speaker 2: Oh weird things so entertaining.
Speaker 1: Yes, did you feel that you wanted to watch that
Speaker 1: orientation again? Take again?
Speaker 2: Like bluck? Jack was like, no, I'm not watching it again.
Speaker 2: The lock was just I feel like that if they
Speaker 2: watch it one more time, it's gonna fall apart. Like
Speaker 2: that's right, that piece of actual media is so weakened
Speaker 2: that is really not gonna last.
Speaker 1: But how old are we that we remember them when
Speaker 1: that was a thing, right, that little classroom?
Speaker 2: Yes, oh golly.
Speaker 1: But in the ancient computer which they have to have
Speaker 1: to send out to, sayid to come fix.
Speaker 2: And you know the fact that he actually did fix
Speaker 2: it within like twenty minutes is something going Babe, babe
Speaker 2: that that also defies belief.
Speaker 1: I would say, But I mean the fact that he
Speaker 1: did do it. And then Jack's like, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to push the button. I get it. It's like I
Speaker 1: fixed the bleeping computer. Hit the button. Well, it's so
Speaker 1: important that I had to run here through the jungle
Speaker 1: to fix it for you hit the button.
Speaker 2: Hit the button, I mean anyone could have hit the button.
Speaker 2: Lock O, Kate say any of that.
Speaker 1: Just reached over and said, oh, for goodness sake, right.
Speaker 1: Hurley was not the one involve the numbers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hurley was the only one who was like, hell no,
Speaker 2: I'm not touching.
Speaker 1: Also, Hurley had found the pantry, so I don't think
Speaker 1: we're gonna see him for a while. Kate leave any
Speaker 1: candy bars for him, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Kate didn't have very much room in her tiny pockets,
Speaker 2: off her tiny jeans.
Speaker 1: Bring a backpack next time, girl.
Speaker 2: Come on, now, you know it's there.
Speaker 1: You have that locked case still somewhere.
Speaker 2: Jack has the key. He has the key. Yes.
Speaker 1: The most curious thing to me about that whole side
Speaker 1: of the plot was in episode one of this season,
Speaker 1: Man of Science, Man of Faith ended with Jack getting
Speaker 1: a good look at Desmond and saying you right, and
Speaker 1: then subsequent flashbacks of that scene did not include that
Speaker 1: this one it was Desmond who recognized Jack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the heck? Right?
Speaker 1: I'm so I've been waiting for the payoff of that
Speaker 1: scene where Jack says you and Jusman says you. They say,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, how could this possibly be? And they
Speaker 1: talk about the weirdness of them both being one place.
Speaker 1: I haven't really got that.
Speaker 2: No, and then they didn't talk about it until after
Speaker 2: Desmond had run off, right, yeah, departed from the bronker.
Speaker 1: Jack chased him and they had a conversation in which
Speaker 1: Desmond forced Jack to say that he had married his
Speaker 1: patient in such a way that made it Clark He
Speaker 1: no longer was like, does have to be about Jack's
Speaker 1: love life? Could must not be about the fact that
Speaker 1: what are the odds that two dudes who randomly met
Speaker 1: in a stadium in the United States are suddenly on
Speaker 1: this same funky island, Right, that's the meat of the conversation, gentlemen, Right,
Speaker 1: not so much, not so much what happened to his patient?
Speaker 1: And are they still married?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then Desmond runs off into that conversation has never had.
Speaker 2: So they could have even just talked about like, hey,
Speaker 2: you find any good place to run around here?
Speaker 1: That's right?
Speaker 2: I know you like to run for fun and fitness.
Speaker 1: Running randomly through the jungle keeps us, keeps us fit,
Speaker 1: and also having no food except for they got Desmond's digs,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, everybody can move in. They can have
Speaker 1: a groovy time.
Speaker 2: Got lots of food, got some injectable drugs, weapons of
Speaker 2: the turntable.
Speaker 1: So yeah, some swinging music, so yeah. We didn't know,
Speaker 1: come on down.
Speaker 2: We did get a look at the arsenal that is
Speaker 2: in that in that book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, yeah, did the others come on now? Kate
Speaker 1: helped herself to a sawyer and Michael and yes, that
Speaker 1: was the other half of the plot, which is the
Speaker 1: drift Aways landing and being you know, rudely smacked in
Speaker 1: the nog and and dragged off by fishing net to
Speaker 1: a hole in the ground a pit, yes to which
Speaker 1: I just because I just read a book about parts
Speaker 1: and recreation, which we're going to talk about later this week.
Speaker 2: But I've heard a voice, right, they did, and then.
Speaker 1: Another another prisoner was thrown into the pit.
Speaker 2: With them, right, who could this be? And I remember
Speaker 2: when we did meet her at the airport and Lucia
Speaker 2: she met Jack. Yes, well you did. You did urge
Speaker 2: me to that's true. And not forget this face spoiler. No,
Speaker 2: that's okay. I mean that you have to believe that
Speaker 2: anything they're showing you in any flashback or otherwise, you know,
Speaker 2: not happening at the present time. Right, it's going to matter.
Speaker 1: Right, So in this case, she turns out to be
Speaker 1: a spy for the other others that are have hidden
Speaker 1: at them, right, perhaps being that she was on the plane.
Speaker 1: What conclusions do you draw from that about the people
Speaker 1: who have thrown them in the pit?
Speaker 2: Right? Are they the others as in they have been
Speaker 2: on the island throus so others? Or are they others
Speaker 2: from the other piece of the plane?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Are they the others or the the other others? There
Speaker 1: eventually a lot of other others.
Speaker 2: But this island is just teeming with people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not yet though, so yeah, so that looks
Speaker 1: like it's going to be an interesting bringing together if
Speaker 1: anybody ever decides to trust each other and not throw
Speaker 1: them in holes on the ground right and hit them
Speaker 1: on the head, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's interesting that it's very Lord of
Speaker 2: the Flies that you know, we're automatically going to be
Speaker 2: whacking people on the head before we even find out
Speaker 2: who they are.
Speaker 1: And interesting that our I don't know that our the
Speaker 1: castaways we've been following thus far seemed to be like
Speaker 1: a more civilized bunch because they got Jack, you know,
Speaker 1: well they also got Sawyer and Kate, so who knows,
Speaker 1: it could have gone either way. But and Sayid, Sayid
Speaker 1: was torturing people early on, so well, one person, one person.
Speaker 1: If it had just been Kate and Sawyer and said
Speaker 1: in a little group, things could have gone very sour.
Speaker 1: But this, this group seems to have been maybe had
Speaker 1: a harder time of it because they are hitting unconscious first,
Speaker 1: asking questions later.
Speaker 2: Right, And they have already created this pit for keeping
Speaker 2: their enemies in.
Speaker 1: The dog. But those wax on the head with a
Speaker 1: stick or an oar or whatever that was they were
Speaker 1: hitting them with, there would have been concussions in like
Speaker 1: cerebral hemorrhages and broken skulls. Would it not have been
Speaker 1: those look like administered with a blunt instrument and a
Speaker 1: significant amount of force, right?
Speaker 2: And weren't some of those blunt instruments like studded with nails.
Speaker 1: And then they're just jumping up again and saying, well,
Speaker 1: how do we get out of here?
Speaker 2: Boys?
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm sure your brain won't fall out?
Speaker 2: Your eyeballs? Fine?
Speaker 1: Hey, yi again? We say we need a minute clinic
Speaker 1: here at the yeah on the island, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: a small surgery. Yes, I hope everybody brought their insurance card?
Speaker 1: Did they get those out of the crack? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: we see that your brains are falling out but we
Speaker 1: don't take your insurance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't take that back in the pit with you.
Speaker 1: But speaking of flashbacks, now, I know they've gotten themselves
Speaker 1: into a pattern now that they have to do the flashbacks,
Speaker 1: but you've got all this exciting stuff going on in
Speaker 1: the island, and the flashbacks were basically about remember what
Speaker 1: a loser Locke was? Boy? Was he a loser? Boy?
Speaker 1: Look at this shmo, looking at this nice lady, and
Speaker 1: he just can't stop doing the stupid things. We know,
Speaker 1: we know that already. You've shown that to us at
Speaker 1: least twice.
Speaker 2: Yes, can we go back to the end. Here's how
Speaker 2: he looks when he has hair, which is not good.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm happy to see Katie Segal, right, And
Speaker 1: and that was fine, but it was just such a
Speaker 1: every time we went to the flashback, like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is not where we want to be right now, and
Speaker 1: you're going over the same ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're gonna go this direction, like give us
Speaker 2: something more.
Speaker 1: Us something new.
Speaker 2: I mean they're really like eking it out so slowly.
Speaker 2: You know, we got to get to how did he
Speaker 2: get it, you know, paralyzed or whatever the problem is
Speaker 2: with his.
Speaker 1: I mean they had shown us that it would have
Speaker 1: been worth it, but this just seemed like inching along,
Speaker 1: right with more of the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're going to keep doing that with Jack
Speaker 2: and Sarah, you know, Julie Bow and she spoonfuls exactly.
Speaker 1: This is about the point that they were at which
Speaker 1: they realized, oh crap, we're a hit. We have to
Speaker 1: keep this going for.
Speaker 2: It, right, we need to slow Our.
Speaker 1: Role is how many more episodes can you do this season?
Speaker 1: And uh, what's your six year plan?
Speaker 2: And then they're like, six what.
Speaker 1: We're planning to crawl into a pit.
Speaker 2: Thanks this nice hatch.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna go down and play play records, hit
Speaker 1: a button.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I but parenting wise, in the contest for Baddest bad Dad,
Speaker 1: I think Locke's dad has pretty much wrapped that up,
Speaker 1: has he not?
Speaker 2: Eikes? Yeah, I mean even Christian Shepherd is like Christian
Speaker 2: Shepherd is like the stopped clock. That's right, twice a day.
Speaker 1: But uh, but whatever his did Jack go away?
Speaker 2: You are not wanted, You're not wanted?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yikes, which I believe he said before a couple
Speaker 1: of times. But and he also did not remove an
Speaker 1: organ from Jack's body, right, And then kicked him in
Speaker 1: the ass and on the way out. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's he's right now in the gold medal position.
Speaker 1: Yeah and uh and gaining right and he's going to
Speaker 1: be out of reach pretty soon.
Speaker 2: That's you know, if they keep continuing to have lockflash bags,
Speaker 2: they have to keep coming up with horrible things for
Speaker 2: this man to say and do.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, folks, that is not right. Never say
Speaker 1: that to your child. And also always asked for permission
Speaker 1: before removing a kid.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean he did consent, but he was duped.
Speaker 1: He was duped. Think you think you're the only one
Speaker 1: who's ever been conned?
Speaker 2: The dad said, rude. Yeah, and we have never seen
Speaker 2: his Do we ever get to see his mother again? Well?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I don't remember if that
Speaker 1: mother might have just been a paid actor.
Speaker 2: This is quite true.
Speaker 1: And the whole thing of there's this whole huge job
Speaker 1: to do in the hatch, and the person who knows
Speaker 1: how to do it just bolts, and the people remaining
Speaker 1: are like, what how am I supposed to know what
Speaker 1: to do? That seems kind of like maybe mom's spritten
Speaker 1: out the boy to go to Starbucks we've been dad
Speaker 1: with the kids.
Speaker 2: Right, figure it out. Here's a film strip that shows
Speaker 2: you how to change a diaper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, but also probably the way you feel when
Speaker 1: you leave the hospital with the baby. Yes, wait wait
Speaker 1: what hold up? And there was a lot of talk
Speaker 1: about taking a leap of faith, which is certainly something
Speaker 1: that is that parents do on a regular basis, like
Speaker 1: sure I could do this, or to a kid, sure
Speaker 1: you can do this, it'll be fine. Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, we urge them to take a leap of faith,
Speaker 1: which means taking a leap of faith ourselves, because who
Speaker 1: knows what if you're wrong and they can't and then
Speaker 1: horrible things happen. But so yeah, although the whole thing,
Speaker 1: it's like the mind Game's Locke was playing to make
Speaker 1: Jack bush the button.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's try not to adopt that as a
Speaker 2: parenting strategy.
Speaker 1: But you know what, if you need the kid to
Speaker 1: do it righttimes, what you need is really like get
Speaker 1: one of those timers in your home so that you say, okay,
Speaker 1: time to get up, and the clock starts right, the
Speaker 1: numbers are flipping down yep. Then it just kind of
Speaker 1: keeps accelerating until finally the house is gonna.
Speaker 2: Blow up if you don't get up and hit that
Speaker 2: butt right now. It is like a like a smoke alarm, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess those don't increase, you know, they
Speaker 2: they start at the top.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what are very bossy from a parenting
Speaker 1: point of view are baby monitors. Yes, we have one
Speaker 1: that I'm using as an intercom with my daughter since
Speaker 1: you moved downstairs, my daughter who is gonna be thirty five.
Speaker 1: But you know, we use the technology that we easily
Speaker 1: have at hand. And one thing is if it if
Speaker 1: I leave it unplugged upstairs and it starts getting low
Speaker 1: in battery, it makes this sound like and it's the
Speaker 1: kind of sound that you hear it in your house
Speaker 1: and you say, what on earth is that? But you
Speaker 1: can't figure out what is doing it? Is it the
Speaker 1: smoke alarm? You poke the smoke alarm a few times? No,
Speaker 1: it's not that didity. Is there a animal hidden someplace here?
Speaker 1: You look around some more. Finally you realize, oh, it's
Speaker 1: a stupid baby monitor. But if it gets unplugged downstairs,
Speaker 1: this very loud voice comes from the upstairs unit that says,
Speaker 1: please see to your baby. The unit is disconnected. It
Speaker 1: is too far away from the because which makes sense
Speaker 1: because if you really are using it for a baby,
Speaker 1: you want to know if you're not able to hear them,
Speaker 1: you want to use it to monitor a thirty five
Speaker 1: year old. It's really probably not that important all down
Speaker 1: down there, eventuating you must come right now there's a problem.
Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, we have we have a sump pump.
Speaker 2: Actually we have two of them in our in our basement,
Speaker 2: and it has like a battery backup or there's some
Speaker 2: part of it that's battery operated. And you know it's
Speaker 2: in the basement, like in the corner, you know, further
Speaker 2: far away from anything. But it starts doing that little
Speaker 2: and you're like, what is that? What is that? It's
Speaker 2: not a smoke detector, it's not the timer on the microwave,
Speaker 2: Like what is it? And then finally you have to
Speaker 2: go all the way down in the basement. You're like,
Speaker 2: you know, you're like, am I warmer warmer with bb B?
Speaker 2: You know, finally there it is.
Speaker 1: It's that I do another episode of family game shows
Speaker 1: that would be one find the thing that right?
Speaker 2: What is being it's it's a companion piece to what
Speaker 2: is that smell?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just before we're done. And this
Speaker 1: is sort of parenting related as well. I love that
Speaker 1: little exchange where Hurley says things are finally returning to
Speaker 1: normal and then Kate runs out of the crape like.
Speaker 2: Hurley, don't say that kind of thing out loud. Don't
Speaker 2: ever say that old yep, yep.
Speaker 1: That's the thing we learned as parents. You never say that.
Speaker 1: You never say, well, thank goodness everything, Everything's gonna be
Speaker 1: fine now good crash or well. Next Tuesday, we will
Speaker 1: continue with season two, episode four of Lost, which is
Speaker 1: called Everybody Hates Hugo. I don't hate I don't hate Hugo.
Speaker 1: I there be an episode of Hugo just enjoying the
Speaker 1: offerings of Desmond's pantry. But maybe that's why everybody hates him,
Speaker 1: he ate all the food. But yeah, so I suppose
Speaker 1: that's a hurly flashback episode. And you know, why the heck? Not?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: He's must be in such apple plexy over the constant
Speaker 1: use of the numbers, having seen them typed into a computer, right, which.
Speaker 2: Is in the bunker with those numbers on the door.
Speaker 1: It's right, it seems perfectly normal. I'm sure there's nothing
Speaker 1: to worry about right anyway, So we will see you
Speaker 1: back here tomorrow to discuss shrinking, which takes place entirely
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