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<v Speaker 1>You see somethings are going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 3>What help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects.

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<v Speaker 4>This episode will be continuing off the Kabala series and

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<v Speaker 4>I got my man the Branch, Matt and Gin and

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<v Speaker 4>Di Ninja with us again, so you already know this

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<v Speaker 4>should be a banger and it should be a good one.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna introduce them and let them plug themselves before

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<v Speaker 4>we get going.

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<v Speaker 3>Branch. Sure, please let everybody know they can find you

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<v Speaker 3>in your work.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey guys, I spent a lot of time on Twitter

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<v Speaker 5>these days, says William Burkin, so you can find me

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<v Speaker 5>on there and the Great Launch. We host spaces each Friday.

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<v Speaker 5>Although we missed Gin and Soler this past Friday. It's

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<v Speaker 5>nice to be back with him today. And you can

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<v Speaker 5>also check me out on Symbolic Studies. Did a blurable

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<v Speaker 5>there with the Virgo symbolialism recently, so that was a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of fun. Of course, Jen and I are always

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<v Speaker 5>recording things, and I think we did a recent one

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<v Speaker 5>with mister Lamb that I'm not sure I fits out

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<v Speaker 5>or not, but that was a lot of fun. The

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<v Speaker 5>last time I was here with you, guys, and of

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<v Speaker 5>course we did that just said I think the last

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<v Speaker 5>time as well, so that was another banger. So it's

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<v Speaker 5>nice to see you guys so frequently. I really enjoy

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<v Speaker 5>this hobby. Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, thank you for joining us.

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate I appreciate you input on stuff for real,

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<v Speaker 4>So thank you for making it again.

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<v Speaker 3>And we got Matt, what is going on? How are you?

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<v Speaker 6>What's up? Very glad to be here again. Like the

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<v Speaker 6>Bridge said, it's always good to be well. First of all,

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<v Speaker 6>weekly on the spaces, so every Friday we're there on

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<v Speaker 6>Twitter and now recently on these as well, so we

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<v Speaker 6>had the last one was has said in Yivura, and

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<v Speaker 6>before that it was that and be not if I'm

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<v Speaker 6>not mistaken. Those are really nice. Today is going to

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<v Speaker 6>be the same, very nice stuff. And yeah, you can

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<v Speaker 6>find me on YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok all the same

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<v Speaker 6>at Mettmore nineteen. There's also my website with some cool

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<v Speaker 6>stuff there, which is Kabala dot com. That is k

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<v Speaker 6>A A b A l a h. That's a little

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<v Speaker 6>different writing there. And there's also the Grade Lodge website

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<v Speaker 6>which is super cool. So the true Grade Lodge with

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<v Speaker 6>a v instead of a you. So the True Grade

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<v Speaker 6>Lunch dot com as well, and uh yeah, I feel

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<v Speaker 6>like the kind of stuff that we talk about, you're

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<v Speaker 6>going to be pretty much the same on all the

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<v Speaker 6>other platforms. And yeah, thanks a lot Nick for inviting again.

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<v Speaker 4>No, of course, thank you for joining me. Love your

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<v Speaker 4>input on the Kabbala for real. And finally we got

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<v Speaker 4>the Lodge master himself. We got Nina.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, boss, appreciate it. Mister ninety three.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, to our not our other brother Soular, I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to mention him right at the bat like

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<v Speaker 2>I did invite him. And of course he is like

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth pillar as I would call it, of our

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<v Speaker 2>sort of inner circle. So if you are, I echo

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<v Speaker 2>everything that Joshua and Matt of course said, because it

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<v Speaker 2>also promotes everything that we do separately and then always together.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have had an amazing time doing those co

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<v Speaker 2>host spaces and now on YouTube. So as Matt said,

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<v Speaker 2>like the True Gray Lodge, check us out Meta Magicians

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<v Speaker 2>for a new aon very cool. All our work is

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<v Speaker 2>there and you can also listen to Threshold Saints. I

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<v Speaker 2>just dropped an episode with Crystal Drinkwater, who's been on

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<v Speaker 2>this show, O call rejects the great episode with her,

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<v Speaker 2>both on this show and on my own, So if

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<v Speaker 2>you're interested in herbalism, geo ontology and all of that,

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<v Speaker 2>please check that out. I also have an episode with

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<v Speaker 2>Kelby Losak, who is another outlet, kind of bad boy

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<v Speaker 2>writer on Twitter and just a great dude and he's

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<v Speaker 2>actually like a real magician, and so his episode will

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<v Speaker 2>also drop this week, so just keep a lookout for that.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Grey Lodge every Friday YouTube and yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's where you can find us. And we're always doing

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<v Speaker 2>either Friday Nightgnostic Mass or we do a series. So

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, guys, no.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, I appreciate it. Definitely definitely go check out

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<v Speaker 4>his stuff. Domin on that Domino episode. Yeah, people, if

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<v Speaker 4>you heard her on the show before, I highly suggested

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<v Speaker 4>go check her out, especially for like the erbalism if

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<v Speaker 4>you haven't heard it before. If you go check that out,

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<v Speaker 4>you're not going to get some wikawu shit, You're actually

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<v Speaker 4>going to get like some intelligent conversation about herbs. So

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<v Speaker 4>I highly suggest to go listen to her. She happens

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<v Speaker 4>to catch this episode. Sorry I have not gotten back

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<v Speaker 4>to you, but I do plan on getting you back on.

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of left her hanging. Wanted to get her

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<v Speaker 4>back on myself, but sorry, I forgot, But highly go

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<v Speaker 4>check out her work. I think she's actually really good

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<v Speaker 4>at what she does, and I'm sure if Gin had

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<v Speaker 4>her on, it was a banger of an episode.

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<v Speaker 3>So now we're gonna get into it.

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<v Speaker 4>We got to Kabbala, and if memory serves me correctly,

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<v Speaker 4>we're gonna be talking about Tiffereth and that suck. So

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna do what we did last time. I got

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<v Speaker 4>a bunch of people in here going ninety three sorr.

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<v Speaker 4>It's catching me off God, and do what I did

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<v Speaker 4>last time. I'm gonna read all the associations. These guys

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<v Speaker 4>want to chime in or interrupt me, they can go

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<v Speaker 4>for it, or we'll just talk amongst ourselves after I'm

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<v Speaker 4>done reading the associations again, I just want to get

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<v Speaker 4>them in. I do think it's important to understand these things.

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<v Speaker 4>I could probably take days if we went into why

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<v Speaker 4>they all do, which we don't have time for. But again,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just mentioning it because I do think it's important

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<v Speaker 4>to go back and try to understand and even maybe

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<v Speaker 4>meditate on why all these associated with that? You know,

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<v Speaker 4>many reasons, I'm sure. So now let me pull up

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<v Speaker 4>my notes, all right, So Tifferreth beauty. Tifferreth the sixth

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<v Speaker 4>ceph means beauty and occupies the center of the trees

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<v Speaker 4>middle pillar. It is considered as a role as mediating

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<v Speaker 4>mediating intelligence, unifying higher and lower Sepharath. Some call it

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<v Speaker 4>the sphere of the Redeemer or Kether on a lower arc.

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<v Speaker 4>Tiffareth can also, as has been said, let's us see

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<v Speaker 4>the Father reflected in the sun. That's s O N though,

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<v Speaker 4>the central mediating intelligence that connects all creation and integrates

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<v Speaker 4>divine and human consciousness. The titles and symbolic images in

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<v Speaker 4>the tie one title to it could be a z

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<v Speaker 4>r Z a r Apin the lesser countenance it could

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<v Speaker 4>be called Melek or King Adam the Son. The magical

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<v Speaker 4>image is given as a majestic king. A child can

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<v Speaker 4>be used a sacrificed God, reflecting Tiffareth's three aspects, and

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<v Speaker 4>Tiffareth also kind of has like a sacrificial or kind

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<v Speaker 4>of my opinion, sacrificial Christ like aspect used there. The

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<v Speaker 4>divine name and archangel would be uh I'm probably gonna

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<v Speaker 4>screw this up. Yad hey fad hey alo a vadad

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<v Speaker 4>something to that effect. Or it could be uh, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know. Some people yah he va yeah, yeah. However

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<v Speaker 4>you want to pronounce that, sometimes some people will pronounce

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<v Speaker 4>that a little bit differently, and that is meaning the

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<v Speaker 4>lord of knowledge. The archangel is Raphael, angel of the Sun.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>The corresponding order of angels is the Malachim or the kings,

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<v Speaker 4>and some people will put down that Rafael governs the

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<v Speaker 4>heir in this And even when it comes to I

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<v Speaker 4>would say, like when you want to start looking at

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<v Speaker 4>Tiffareth or well, this one, I can get confusing sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>if you want to look at cobalistic and planetary stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure if it's Tehareth, it might be Mars,

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<v Speaker 4>it might be both. Sometimes you can see contradicting angels

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<v Speaker 4>because of the planetary sphere being a little bit different

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<v Speaker 4>than kind of what they're using the archangel for on

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<v Speaker 4>the kabalistic tree, the spiritual experience, I'm sorry, past the

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<v Speaker 4>planet in chakra. The planetary sphere is the song, the

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<v Speaker 4>virtue and the vice devotion to the great work, spiritual service.

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<v Speaker 4>That's Teffaret's virtue and pride is its device, and the

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<v Speaker 4>devotion to the great work is kind of the goal

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<v Speaker 4>that is centered around Tiffareth. The spiritual experience is the

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<v Speaker 4>vision of harmony of things and the mysteries of the crucifixion.

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<v Speaker 4>I would also say, I think a lot of a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of cultists or ceremonial magicians would probably even say

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<v Speaker 4>this is where you would come into contact with your

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<v Speaker 4>holy guardian angel. Symbols would be the lamin, the symbolic breastplate,

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<v Speaker 4>the rosy cross, the cavalry or crucifixion cross in a

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<v Speaker 4>truncated pyramid and cube quick the tarot correspondences the six

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<v Speaker 4>the suit of sixes. Obviously it's a six sphere, so

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<v Speaker 4>that goes with that. And the colors, which I do

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<v Speaker 4>think are interesting actually absolute could be a clear rose, pink,

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<v Speaker 4>Bria would be yellow, et c would be rich salmon

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<v Speaker 4>or pink, and asia Siah however, you call that a

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<v Speaker 4>golden amber. The psychological and spiritual function Tiffareth could be

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<v Speaker 4>seen as the focus of the higher sell for individuality,

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<v Speaker 4>the point where divine smark, Spark, Chestin and Goeburg manifests

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<v Speaker 4>as conscious love and wisdom on the personality Tiffareth is

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<v Speaker 4>the keystone of the tree, holding the balance between all

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<v Speaker 4>other Cepharroth. So yeah, that's about all I got on

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<v Speaker 4>the I guess the associations and the correspondences. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know if any of you wanted to say something continue

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<v Speaker 4>after that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to find a picture of the sacred

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<v Speaker 2>Heart that I deemed good enough to show for my example.

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<v Speaker 2>But I will all start and just say it's so interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And matt Owas says this is that every time we

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<v Speaker 2>decide as a group to discuss Kabala, the ideas sort

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<v Speaker 2>of permeate the entire week. And so this morning, Joshua

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<v Speaker 2>and I were even discussing what planetary correspondences we like

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<v Speaker 2>for Raphael and Michael. And it is interesting that Nick

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<v Speaker 2>you said that is that Raphael can be associated with

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<v Speaker 2>both mercury and the sun, as Michael can also be

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<v Speaker 2>associated with mercury.

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<v Speaker 4>It's exactly the two that get flipped around. That's why

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, I think it's Wars or the Son. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>if you go by planetary stuff and then Kabala, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's like switch go out.

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<v Speaker 3>But it makes sense though the way the way that

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<v Speaker 3>you explain it.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and it also is interesting because Raphael is the

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<v Speaker 2>angel of healing. He actually doesn't hold any Marshall implements

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<v Speaker 2>his implement as a fish and sometimes a scale, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the same kind of scale that Michael holds.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes Michael will also hold a scale, very interestingly, but

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<v Speaker 2>different kinds of scale. Rafael's scale is for is for

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<v Speaker 2>the medicinal things like measuring like frankincense or all of

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<v Speaker 2>both of those resins. Obviously a goat, Yeah, exactly. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a much more alchemical, maybe hermetic angel, where Michael is

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<v Speaker 2>much more fixed, you could say almost, because he holds

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<v Speaker 2>in his traditional iconography a sword and a shield. So

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<v Speaker 2>when he very that's very Givera and gebela right like,

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<v Speaker 2>but meeting together in synthesis. It's the it's the protector,

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<v Speaker 2>the bulwark against the forces of darkness, plus the sword,

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<v Speaker 2>the flaming sword that cuts them away. So but then

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you will see him holding a scale. When you

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<v Speaker 2>see him holding a scale, it actually makes him more Gavratic,

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<v Speaker 2>even in like I know we discussed this last time

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<v Speaker 2>in Matt's obviously Brazilian but in Kimbonda you will often

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<v Speaker 2>see Saint Michael depicted as kind of the lord of

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<v Speaker 2>the issue when he holds the scale, specifically the scale,

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<v Speaker 2>because he's a little more left handed at that in

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<v Speaker 2>that iconography, and less tifferatic, less balanced, less like harmonious.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not that he is, but he brings a more

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<v Speaker 2>martial quality. And as someone who has some experience with

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<v Speaker 2>the angels, I will have to I have to say

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<v Speaker 2>that I never really like him for that gaverratic association.

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<v Speaker 2>I find it too hot of energy for me. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just saying this is just my preference. I always found

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<v Speaker 2>it it heated him up too much, so be careful

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<v Speaker 2>with that. I prefer him more at a tifferatic kind

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<v Speaker 5>I would add to the emphasis of tip breath with

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<v Speaker 1>So when he mentioned the scales, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Wanted to kind of reiterate that that, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 5>right handed quality on either side of the you know,

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<v Speaker 5>those pans on either side of the scale, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>whereas tip rats kind of like the column itself that

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<v Speaker 5>they balance upon. So maybe you know, that's some kind

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<v Speaker 5>of reference to maybe how that judgment is discerned, because

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<v Speaker 5>the sword a lot of times too, is used to

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<v Speaker 5>point to each letter of the law, kind of like

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<v Speaker 5>the pointer fingers used when you're doing tourist study. We're

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<v Speaker 5>not supposed touch it with our hands, you know. So,

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<v Speaker 5>and the fishes too made me think of.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a I think when you're.

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<v Speaker 5>Dealing with Asmodius, you know, there was some type of

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<v Speaker 5>reference in the and a sol on about how fish

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<v Speaker 5>burning fish guts repelled him or gave you control over him,

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<v Speaker 5>or something like that, And so I would be curious

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<v Speaker 5>to know of the correspondence between maybe Raphael and as

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<v Speaker 5>Moody is maybe that's the angel that frustrates him or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just passing thought that I had in my head.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, one thing it can Oh, sorry, I think we

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry there was a slight delay. I was just mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>we were sorry about that. I was just going to say.

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<v Speaker 5>We also were talking about the Ninja turtles in the

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<v Speaker 5>context of Michael Angelo and Raphael this morning, so I

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<v Speaker 5>thought that was a weird coincidence.

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<v Speaker 1>But we were talking about the angels too. Sorry to

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<v Speaker 6>No, no, no good, I tell you had ended. So

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of things that I've thought about here. So

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<v Speaker 6>first of all, when Nick said about the sacrificial kind

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<v Speaker 6>of element of different to the system that I use,

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<v Speaker 6>I connect Lamed and the hank and to the path

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<v Speaker 6>between Gevura and different. So that to me makes a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of sense. Again you kind of have the hangman

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<v Speaker 6>there making that sacrificial element, which would also be Libra.

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<v Speaker 6>So again talking about the scales and everything about the

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<v Speaker 6>associations that can be different, I have two ways of thinking.

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<v Speaker 6>So first of all, I talk many times about this.

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<v Speaker 6>I think I talked here as well. But in the

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<v Speaker 6>spaces there is this idea that the tree can change

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<v Speaker 6>not only with time, but maybe through the perspective. So

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<v Speaker 6>for example, if you want to create a religion out

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<v Speaker 6>of someone, that person will be usually or that thing

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<v Speaker 6>whatever will usually add different. So then again we have

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<v Speaker 6>the importance of different being the center of the tree.

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<v Speaker 6>But then if maybe you want to do another religion

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<v Speaker 6>and that same character which was in the previous one

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<v Speaker 6>is there now, maybe he has to be in Gevua

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<v Speaker 6>for the religion to make sense, because if he was

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<v Speaker 6>also in different he would conflate. It's kind of like

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<v Speaker 6>if you want to make a religion auto of you know, Jesus,

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<v Speaker 6>you Jesus must be the solar character. So even if

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<v Speaker 6>there's another solar guy, he kind of has to go

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<v Speaker 6>somewhere else otherwise it again conflicts the symology there. So

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<v Speaker 6>I think there's so firstly, there's this right, this idea

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<v Speaker 6>of the treat always changing, evolving as long. But there's

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<v Speaker 6>also a lot of bs. So that's why, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>just studying the books and whatever. I think, don't do it.

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<v Speaker 6>If you want to do properly, you know, get get

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<v Speaker 6>a proper initiation, go get the expertses yourself. Which I

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<v Speaker 6>think it's also very tiperatic. Let's say you are getting

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<v Speaker 6>the experienced, so the thing itself that you're trying to practice,

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<v Speaker 6>like Nick said, the higher self that are trying to achieve.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, you could also say it's an analogy you

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<v Speaker 6>can make. It's if you're doing martial arts when you

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<v Speaker 6>get the black belt to in my understanding, would be

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<v Speaker 6>when you reach the threat in that thing. So it's

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<v Speaker 6>not the end like you basically just you're about to

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<v Speaker 6>start actual practice. You know, you got there, okay, and

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<v Speaker 6>now I see clearly what I need and so on

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<v Speaker 6>and and again we have the importance of different on astrology,

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<v Speaker 6>like why nowadays a lot of people just care about

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<v Speaker 6>their their sun signs because well, your son is the

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<v Speaker 6>core of your being. It's not the whole of your being,

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<v Speaker 6>but it's it's the core. It's there. So like Joshua

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<v Speaker 6>was saying that it's in the middle, not only in

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<v Speaker 6>the middle column, but in the middle of the tree.

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<v Speaker 6>It has the most connections with other spheres, so it

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<v Speaker 6>plays a lot this like central. Again, if you're talking beauty,

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<v Speaker 6>beauty is very related to harmony. So again the scales

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<v Speaker 6>making sure that things are harmonized are in center and

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<v Speaker 6>not you know, Gevura is here, and then he said

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<v Speaker 6>it's like here and then net size on the other place,

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<v Speaker 6>like tiferend is making sure everyone is in the center,

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<v Speaker 6>like gravitas is working. Yeah, there's again a billion things

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<v Speaker 6>we can talk about different here, but those are the

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<v Speaker 6>ones that came up to mine.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>One thing I did want to mention that I I

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<v Speaker 4>mentioned the colors I find that interesting about like even

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<v Speaker 4>how they bring up pink salmon.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, and then the whole thing with.

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<v Speaker 4>Jesus kind of being like the fisher of men. And

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<v Speaker 4>then I do find it interesting how like a salmon,

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's pink salmon will spolen upstream. So I

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<v Speaker 4>even wondered if that's like somehow showing you like being

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<v Speaker 4>able to go like back and forth, because you're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>go down the tree and you're gonna go back up.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes I do think Tiffert like might show like it's

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<v Speaker 4>kind of an area of maybe like you hit a

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<v Speaker 4>switch to where you're gonna start going the other way,

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<v Speaker 4>or almost like where I guess the ac DC switches

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>So I've looked at it like that or thought of

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<v Speaker 4>it as possibly like not like if I hate to

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<v Speaker 4>say frequency or like a vibration, or like a state

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<v Speaker 4>of mind you even have to be and or your

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<v Speaker 4>intentions or your your where your mind is even at

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<v Speaker 4>to even go any father, and like this sacrificial stuff

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<v Speaker 4>would be the stuff that you have to leave behind

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<v Speaker 4>the attitudes and behavior in ways of thinking to even

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<v Speaker 4>possibly even have a contact with God. You know, I

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<v Speaker 4>still think there's things that you have to your old

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<v Speaker 4>self that you have to slang and get rid of.

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<v Speaker 4>So that was just other stuff I wanted to mention

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<v Speaker 4>about Tifferreth.

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<v Speaker 3>Before we went on to gym.

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe one last thing, now that you mention it, that

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<v Speaker 6>came up to mine as well. I remember if I

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<v Speaker 6>bring it up on the heassett in Gevera. But I'll

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<v Speaker 6>just refresh the way they understand when you're trying to

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<v Speaker 6>get something into my hood.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 6>I prefer using that way because it's what we do

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<v Speaker 6>every day. It's not every day that we go up

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<v Speaker 6>the tree, but every day we bring stuff into the world. Right,

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<v Speaker 6>so he said, would be in very basic terms, when

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<v Speaker 6>you're seeing the good things about what you're trying to do,

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<v Speaker 6>like the pros like you're feeling like the good sensations

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<v Speaker 6>about let's say what you're about to eat or the

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<v Speaker 6>project that you're doing. You're seeing all the money maybe

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<v Speaker 6>that can be earned, all the success. Everything good. Right

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<v Speaker 6>in theory, Gievera would be the opposite, like what's the

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<v Speaker 6>discipline that you need to do it? What are maybe

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<v Speaker 6>the the like cons of doing it. Let's say, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>I want to buy like a supercar. Sure, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 6>have to spend a lot of money. You're gonna have

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<v Speaker 6>people maybe now looking at you wanting to rob you

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<v Speaker 6>or whatever. So there are cons doing things. They are disciplined.

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<v Speaker 6>If you want the apps, you need to you know,

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<v Speaker 6>practice everything as want stop eating maybe some stuff that

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<v Speaker 6>you like to eat to me. Then tifferread is the

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<v Speaker 6>synthesis of those boat two things like, Okay, how can

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<v Speaker 6>I harmonize the good the bad? How can I see

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<v Speaker 6>the beauty of what I am creating? And if it's

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<v Speaker 6>not beauty and if I cannot harmonize, maybe there there's

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<v Speaker 6>too many cons, then you probably shouldn't do it, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>Like again, if you want to eat something and then

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<v Speaker 6>you look at it and it's like dark and gray

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<v Speaker 6>and looks like a you know, like a stew of something,

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<v Speaker 6>then again you're not gonna eat it. That's the Tifferat

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<v Speaker 6>kind of blocking not working well there. And also if

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<v Speaker 6>you think about it, then there's this there's the stalk

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<v Speaker 6>usually you know nowadays a oh, you know, everyone has

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<v Speaker 6>their beauty and swim and sure in the way different

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<v Speaker 6>works in everyone, but some people worker better than others.

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<v Speaker 6>So yes, beauty exists like different as a proof, but

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<v Speaker 6>that there is such a thing as but it is

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<v Speaker 6>not the only you know, a construct or whatever. There

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<v Speaker 6>is a concept which is beautiful in it. You can

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<v Speaker 6>find it in nature for example. They'll have to be

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<v Speaker 6>a social thing, right so that when you were talking

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<v Speaker 6>about them, you know, bringing the things. That's one that

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<v Speaker 6>I this came to mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. It's something that made me think about it

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<v Speaker 3>while you were talking to I don't know what it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Or maybe I just realized I didn't say it the

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<v Speaker 4>way I wanted to when I had mentioned like the

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<v Speaker 4>ac DC, I think a better way I should have

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<v Speaker 4>said is that I actually do think, you know, this

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<v Speaker 4>is begetting into I guess the science aspect, if you

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<v Speaker 4>think the couple is actually pointing to like stuff that's

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<v Speaker 4>you know, on your body. You know I had said

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<v Speaker 4>the vague I do think it might actually be pointing

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<v Speaker 4>out part of your vegus nerve, which does does send

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<v Speaker 4>signals back and forth. So that would be kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like back and forth again, you know, being able to

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<v Speaker 4>travel from one.

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<v Speaker 3>End to the next. So I do think that's a possibility.

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<v Speaker 4>So I guess that's another way I could explain it

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<v Speaker 4>For some people who understand the vegas nerve that's exactly

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<v Speaker 4>what I was getting, a kind of like the switching,

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<v Speaker 4>being able to go back and forth. Now, I see

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<v Speaker 4>Jin has some some art you like to show, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Pull some of this up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you, thank you, thanks boss, appreciate. Well, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>knows that I love iconography because it shows people in

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<v Speaker 2>a very material way, like exactly what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>So generally, I think I'm not trying to speak for

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<v Speaker 2>anyone here, but I think i'll just say in general,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we all speak from a sepharatic experience perspective.

421
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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't mean that, of course, matt em besides, is

422
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<v Speaker 2>the importance of a couple of stick initiation. I agree

423
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<v Speaker 2>with that in those terms, but I also think that

424
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<v Speaker 2>experience is like hugely important and to like understand how

425
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<v Speaker 2>the city's work. So a lot of what we're talking

426
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<v Speaker 2>about is maybe more intermediate. But that's why I like

427
00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the iconography, because I think it shows people at least

428
00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:10.279
<v Speaker 2>it can open, as Nick said, like it flips a

429
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<v Speaker 2>switch for them to sort of experience it as we're

430
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<v Speaker 2>discussing it, because they can actually see the colors that

431
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<v Speaker 2>you would actually see in a sepharatic experience. And then

432
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<v Speaker 2>That's just my opinion, obviously, but I think that's a

433
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<v Speaker 2>good way to describe it. And that's how I always

434
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<v Speaker 2>found it. Like when I used to listen to like

435
00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Nick or anyone else talk about sepharaotic experiences, I would

436
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<v Speaker 2>always think of the iconography and then relate it in

437
00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:37.000
<v Speaker 2>that way. So this is Jesus of the sacred heart.

438
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<v Speaker 2>This is a very interesting image. I've talked about it

439
00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:43.319
<v Speaker 2>many times on the show. I've probably showed a similar image.

440
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:47.640
<v Speaker 2>This is the tefaratic image if you want to use

441
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<v Speaker 2>like obviously I used one with blue and red, but

442
00:23:50.799 --> 00:23:53.720
<v Speaker 2>there are ones where the heart is completely gold or

443
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<v Speaker 2>completely gilded. This is obviously gold is the chemical metal

444
00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.960
<v Speaker 2>of the sun. Of course, Maps discussed on the importance

445
00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:07.200
<v Speaker 2>of Hesseen and Gevra together. That's really what Tiffer it is.

446
00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:09.839
<v Speaker 2>It's a it's the forging of the fire, but you

447
00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:14.200
<v Speaker 2>also need water in alkam All alchemy. It's not just fire.

448
00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Fires one transmutation, but water is another. And but it's

449
00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:20.839
<v Speaker 2>in their synthesis. So people are going to say, okay,

450
00:24:20.920 --> 00:24:24.519
<v Speaker 2>well you can't synthesize fire and water. Well, actually you can.

451
00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:29.200
<v Speaker 2>It's it's in it's in plasma diamond thunder lightning. That's

452
00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:31.599
<v Speaker 2>really like a kind of synthesis. So it's like Nick's

453
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<v Speaker 2>talking about like a switch, well a CDC, like what

454
00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:39.160
<v Speaker 2>is more plus ultra, more in the polarities than that.

455
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<v Speaker 2>And so I agree with what Nick said. That is

456
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<v Speaker 2>how I think of tiffer It. This is just me

457
00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:46.119
<v Speaker 2>but and I might be wrong, but this is how

458
00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:48.279
<v Speaker 2>I think of it. This is not my this is

459
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<v Speaker 2>not my strength. Sha we'll say yo.

460
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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say too, I was going to

461
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<v Speaker 3>say that.

462
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<v Speaker 4>And it's even because of my own experiences that has

463
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<v Speaker 4>even made me hard to understand Tifferith.

464
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<v Speaker 3>Believe it or not, Yes, because I totally agree with you.

465
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<v Speaker 4>I don't I don't know what this holy Guardian angel

466
00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:08.839
<v Speaker 4>thing is about because from my experience, I just blessed

467
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<v Speaker 4>though I fucking come into contact with the buddy.

468
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<v Speaker 3>Of mine that's gonna help me do it, you know.

469
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<v Speaker 3>I'm just I don't know. I just don't get it. Yeah,

470
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<v Speaker 3>So I just this one is hard for me.

471
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<v Speaker 2>Well, the Rosicrusians agree with you, Nick, So they created

472
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<v Speaker 2>this image in the sixteen hundreds, late mid sixteen hundreds,

473
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<v Speaker 2>and you've discussed this on your solo episodes and also

474
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<v Speaker 2>the ones you research with Lisa when you've discussed like

475
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:35.359
<v Speaker 2>the medieval and like Enlightenment magicians, like this is a

476
00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:40.599
<v Speaker 2>reintroduction of Kabbala back into the church, and so they

477
00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:44.000
<v Speaker 2>had done this previously, like Hildegard of Bingen time like tenth, eleventh,

478
00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:47.519
<v Speaker 2>twelfth century. Yeah, there was a reintroduction of Kabala then,

479
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:51.400
<v Speaker 2>but then clearly again with the rosicrusions. So I think

480
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<v Speaker 2>that this image perfectly encapsulates a lot of what different is.

481
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<v Speaker 2>It's not his whole being, meaning that the vessel is

482
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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be empty, sopposed to be like a golden vessel. Like.

483
00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:05.599
<v Speaker 2>Another good image for this is actually our complementary image,

484
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:08.000
<v Speaker 2>you could say, is Mary Magdalen and I will go

485
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<v Speaker 2>find when when I'm shut up. But she holds a

486
00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:15.240
<v Speaker 2>crystal vial, so obviously this relates to the alchemical marriage

487
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.440
<v Speaker 2>between the sun and the moon, and her tears are

488
00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:22.480
<v Speaker 2>said to sometimes be in the vial. So it speaks

489
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<v Speaker 2>that idea again of the heatless fire, because what happens

490
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<v Speaker 2>when you refract light through a crystal cut crystal that

491
00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:35.279
<v Speaker 2>is filled with a clear saline liquid, it's a you

492
00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:40.200
<v Speaker 2>get like a prismatic effect. It's a heatless fire in

493
00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:43.759
<v Speaker 2>the most fundamental of alchemical ways. So that's kind of

494
00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:45.880
<v Speaker 2>what is hard is too. It's kind of a it's

495
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.359
<v Speaker 2>the redemption arc. It's the redemption arc, and that's what

496
00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:51.039
<v Speaker 2>I like about the Like I'm not a Christian and

497
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:53.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, so like people can believe whatever they will

498
00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:56.160
<v Speaker 2>or whatever they want. But for me, I actually like

499
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:58.480
<v Speaker 2>this a on of the sun idea of like a

500
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:01.119
<v Speaker 2>as an arc of redemption. I think it's important and

501
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:04.039
<v Speaker 2>I think it actually speaks to what Nick said about

502
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:06.079
<v Speaker 2>climbing the tree and how it can be. This can

503
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:09.519
<v Speaker 2>be a very difficult sepher because this is one that

504
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:13.519
<v Speaker 2>your will really really matters, like Nick saying, like he

505
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:16.640
<v Speaker 2>can just blast off, like this is where your will

506
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:21.519
<v Speaker 2>has to push you through the threshold more than anywhere else.

507
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<v Speaker 2>Which is also interesting because this is also considered to

508
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>be the least dense of the separa, the one most

509
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:33.759
<v Speaker 2>composed of light, So I think that that is an

510
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:35.640
<v Speaker 2>interesting way to think of it. So it is like

511
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:39.000
<v Speaker 2>it is where you find mercy and strength, both in

512
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:43.240
<v Speaker 2>perfect balance, so it's not going to extremities. And maybe

513
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:45.240
<v Speaker 2>that's why I'm not speaking for Nick but I'm saying

514
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:49.160
<v Speaker 2>for me, I tend to live more in extremities, so

515
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:53.079
<v Speaker 2>for me, it's perhaps harder to come together in synthesis.

516
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:55.599
<v Speaker 2>And so the Sun archetype, and Matt brought this up,

517
00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:59.079
<v Speaker 2>and Joshua loves to talk about archetypes as well. But

518
00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:03.000
<v Speaker 2>it is kind of it's perennial. It's you can see

519
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:05.839
<v Speaker 2>it in Buddhism, you can see it in US Hinduism,

520
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:08.960
<v Speaker 2>you can see it in many other religions, and even

521
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:13.440
<v Speaker 2>in Theosophy. So the idea of the sun son and

522
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:16.960
<v Speaker 2>the Sun s u win there is a relationship. Now

523
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:20.880
<v Speaker 2>do the Theosophists conflate a lot, Yes, do the Hindus

524
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:24.640
<v Speaker 2>conflate a lot? Yes, They're not like the exactly like

525
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:27.200
<v Speaker 2>what Ma was saying. It's not like they're not doing good.

526
00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:30.119
<v Speaker 2>It's not good synthesis, it's not good syncretism. It's kind

527
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:32.480
<v Speaker 2>of like it's a little off. The story is a

528
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:36.119
<v Speaker 2>little off. So I like the Jesus figure for Tifferate

529
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:40.519
<v Speaker 2>because I think he is the most like perhaps he

530
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:44.000
<v Speaker 2>especially in this image, especially in more Rosicrucian ideas, like

531
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:47.839
<v Speaker 2>he is showing the both strength, fearlessness, gesture of boom

532
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:50.480
<v Speaker 2>giving and fearlessness as well as like coming into the heart,

533
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:54.319
<v Speaker 2>so coming into also malkouth. So that's interesting because obviously

534
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:57.920
<v Speaker 2>tiffer it or the sun is our great illuminator, but

535
00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:01.160
<v Speaker 2>what is the point of illumination if you're not a

536
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:04.880
<v Speaker 2>prepared vessel. So that's part of the gilding. It's part

537
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:09.559
<v Speaker 2>of the alchemizing process that chrysopia and the gilding at

538
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:12.599
<v Speaker 2>the same time. So that's often why tipper It can

539
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.519
<v Speaker 2>be described as paradox as well, because there's a slight

540
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.599
<v Speaker 2>greening process, but it's not the green of code or

541
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.559
<v Speaker 2>the green of net sock. It's very different. And so

542
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:24.680
<v Speaker 2>I just think that that's also interesting because it's like

543
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:28.400
<v Speaker 2>the preparation and what is it goes into the vessel. Well,

544
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:31.039
<v Speaker 2>the vessel is empty, as I said, but what is emptiness.

545
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Emptiness is just masslessness and luminousness. Everybody's heard me say

546
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:37.799
<v Speaker 2>this like ten million times, but that's really what it is.

547
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.079
<v Speaker 2>So it's that it's not where his consciousness is. It's

548
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:43.400
<v Speaker 2>just the point of where you're going to go for

549
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:47.079
<v Speaker 2>higher experiences or higher knowledge or higher access to those

550
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:51.000
<v Speaker 2>higher worlds or the higher suffer. So in many ways

551
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:54.720
<v Speaker 2>you can say that it's we have to prepare ourselves

552
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:59.240
<v Speaker 2>very much on the material world by balancing ourselves, by

553
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:04.119
<v Speaker 2>softening our sharp edges, by embodying those I'm not saying again,

554
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying be Christian, but I'm saying that there's

555
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:11.680
<v Speaker 2>elements of the christ like figure who is a good

556
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:14.839
<v Speaker 2>balance of both. And so maybe that's a preparatory technique

557
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:19.920
<v Speaker 2>to take us through tifferent. I don't know, just some ideas.

558
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so something very interesting about what you're saying. The

559
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:26.680
<v Speaker 6>first the idea of the will being very connected there,

560
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:29.079
<v Speaker 6>and I completely agree, Like I said, the example of

561
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<v Speaker 6>the black belt, right, you cannot get a black belt

562
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.839
<v Speaker 6>in something less I mean you buy it without really

563
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:37.000
<v Speaker 6>wanting to do something like you have to get there,

564
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:39.920
<v Speaker 6>or like a diploma, right, like something that makes sure, okay,

565
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:42.759
<v Speaker 6>you are getting there. Getting a diploma doesn't mean you're

566
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:45.480
<v Speaker 6>you're good at the thing, just means now you can

567
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:46.880
<v Speaker 6>start practicing it for real.

568
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Right.

569
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<v Speaker 6>So that's that's more or less the same idea. And

570
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:54.400
<v Speaker 6>you have to still keep pushing through. Another thing about

571
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.640
<v Speaker 6>the religions, right if you don't have So that's the

572
00:30:57.680 --> 00:30:59.960
<v Speaker 6>thing with different If you want to create a religion.

573
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.599
<v Speaker 6>You know what I mean? Religion that just isn't the

574
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:05.039
<v Speaker 6>spiritual stuff. Like you want to create a company. A

575
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:06.839
<v Speaker 6>company is kind of a religion. If you want to

576
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:09.319
<v Speaker 6>create a brand, if you want to create like things

577
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:12.319
<v Speaker 6>that people believe and give energy to. I'm calling this

578
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 6>a religion. Okay, just for the sake of simplicity. You

579
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.240
<v Speaker 6>need it. You need a tiffer there. You need a

580
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.240
<v Speaker 6>solar archetype. That's saying because if you don't, then it's

581
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.839
<v Speaker 6>not enough to pull people in. Like that's what pulls

582
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.000
<v Speaker 6>people in, and then the other elements support like going

583
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:32.720
<v Speaker 6>into let's say Christianity. Okay, you go because there's the

584
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:36.680
<v Speaker 6>central image, but then whenever you start to want to

585
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:39.359
<v Speaker 6>get off, the other elements will push you back again.

586
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.279
<v Speaker 6>So there's gonna be like a gave erotic element. Maybe

587
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.079
<v Speaker 6>that if that is better for you, it's gonna pull

588
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.200
<v Speaker 6>you off, It's gonna it's gonna kind of make you

589
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.440
<v Speaker 6>believe again. The tifferate is the is correct and is

590
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:54.039
<v Speaker 6>the best one and swan so it kind of keeps

591
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:56.880
<v Speaker 6>pulling you in. So if you don't have that well done,

592
00:31:57.079 --> 00:31:58.920
<v Speaker 6>then guess what pe purchase? Not going to go to

593
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:03.440
<v Speaker 6>your religion or again company or whatever, right, and another thing,

594
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:06.279
<v Speaker 6>and then maybe I don't know if you guys want

595
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.799
<v Speaker 6>to start talking about NETSA. But to me, it's very

596
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:11.680
<v Speaker 6>interesting that you can say, like Nick was saying, that

597
00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:15.079
<v Speaker 6>the tree is the body. Okay, you cannot say that

598
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:16.960
<v Speaker 6>is the thing. The tree is the body. It's the

599
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.400
<v Speaker 6>first thing that we can correlate to. And in a

600
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.279
<v Speaker 6>way you can put different as being the heart. Right,

601
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:25.640
<v Speaker 6>so again it's the center of the body and so on.

602
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:31.839
<v Speaker 6>But also if you connect the colors of the spheres,

603
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.039
<v Speaker 6>especially in the which are the most basic ones with

604
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:39.759
<v Speaker 6>everyone will know, for example, tifferent being yellow, then you

605
00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:41.680
<v Speaker 6>can connect that to the chuck for us, and then

606
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:44.480
<v Speaker 6>it would actually be the solar plexus, which is slightly

607
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:46.920
<v Speaker 6>be low, and then NETSA, which is the green one,

608
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.480
<v Speaker 6>which would be the hard. So you have this kind

609
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:56.079
<v Speaker 6>of also like people connecting NETSA, and we'll get to

610
00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:58.680
<v Speaker 6>it to like venus and the kind of beautiful things.

611
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:01.720
<v Speaker 6>But then again is more related to tearfread. So there's

612
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:05.799
<v Speaker 6>there seems to be this kind of exchange there, which

613
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:07.400
<v Speaker 6>to me makes a lot of sense because when we

614
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:11.079
<v Speaker 6>think about basic colors we have when we are talking

615
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:13.799
<v Speaker 6>about painting, painting. So usually in school we learn about

616
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:19.599
<v Speaker 6>like blue, red and yellow, which by chance, right by chance,

617
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:23.039
<v Speaker 6>it's has said give and tifferent just by chance. But

618
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:25.839
<v Speaker 6>then when you come to the computer, for example, because

619
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:28.839
<v Speaker 6>the different ways the light has to be computed, you

620
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.960
<v Speaker 6>have actually red, green, and blue. So now you'd have

621
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:36.359
<v Speaker 6>and we'll get to it to Nitsa. So I don't know.

622
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:39.079
<v Speaker 6>I found it's an interesting bridge when we want to

623
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:42.680
<v Speaker 6>get to it, this kind of correlations that the two

624
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:44.839
<v Speaker 6>of them have, or this kind of mix and match

625
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<v Speaker 6>that I was thinking about here when when Gen was speaking, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say, yeah, I agree one hundred

628
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<v Speaker 2>percent with what Matt said. And even if you if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't mind pulling up the two other images that

630
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<v Speaker 2>I have, Nick, it'll show exactly what Matt's talking about.

631
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<v Speaker 2>So just think of it in terms of all the

632
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<v Speaker 2>colors that we describe. So he's the lion head deity.

633
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<v Speaker 2>This is narm Simha. Usually he's depicted as actually eating

634
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<v Speaker 2>a demon on his lap, so you can see like

635
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:20.199
<v Speaker 2>the viscera and all the intestines and stuff, and like

636
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.800
<v Speaker 2>the walls of the palace are covered in blood because

637
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.559
<v Speaker 2>he actually drinks the blood of the demon and then

638
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:28.840
<v Speaker 2>he starts eating the gods. That's kind of the story.

639
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<v Speaker 2>So he's here depicted with his wife, who is can

640
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<v Speaker 2>be said to be Lochsmis, who can be said to

641
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.719
<v Speaker 2>embody Venus. So I think that's very interesting. And she's

642
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:43.519
<v Speaker 2>also wearing a pink sorry, he's obviously wearing the green

643
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.000
<v Speaker 2>around his waist. He's obviously wearing gold.

644
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<v Speaker 3>He uh.

645
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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a lot of tiferatic things in this image,

646
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:54.719
<v Speaker 2>I think, and you know, his his his fault as

647
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:59.480
<v Speaker 2>a worldly hero is his ego, So this is kind

648
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<v Speaker 2>of the law or the beast. You could even say

649
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:04.559
<v Speaker 2>like he's a demi urgic figure in some ways of thinking,

650
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:06.760
<v Speaker 2>in a Buddhist way of thinking, he's a demi urgic

651
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<v Speaker 2>figure because he doesn't he the kingdom is his. But

652
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:14.440
<v Speaker 2>what happens is a king turns into a tyrant eventually

653
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:18.559
<v Speaker 2>as they sort of grow into that Saturnian mode, and

654
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.800
<v Speaker 2>so that can happen to him. So he has to

655
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<v Speaker 2>be kind of liberated from the cycle, but he's also

656
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.119
<v Speaker 2>part of the cycle himself, So that is I think

657
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<v Speaker 2>a big part of why tiffer It is both complicated,

658
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 2>but also some people get very stuck there. So like Crowley,

659
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:39.559
<v Speaker 2>I think is a good example of this, Like I

660
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.840
<v Speaker 2>am the beast, Sure you are the beast, hundred percent,

661
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.840
<v Speaker 2>I totally agree. Like we are the dragons if you

662
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<v Speaker 2>want to call it that ourselves or we embody those

663
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:51.559
<v Speaker 2>qualities at least maybe not physical like we're not all

664
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<v Speaker 2>nagas pun not intended, but you know, but in a

665
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:58.679
<v Speaker 2>way we are the dragons. So we have to kind

666
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:02.400
<v Speaker 2>of rise up into higher consciousness. But if you already

667
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<v Speaker 2>attain the kingdom, attain sort of this lower the mastery

668
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>of the lower worlds or what you perceive as the

669
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:11.119
<v Speaker 2>mastery of the lower world so of course you're going

670
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<v Speaker 2>to want to experience more and more of its pleasure,

671
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:16.280
<v Speaker 2>is more of its delights if you want to call that,

672
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:18.760
<v Speaker 2>and more of the taste that exists within it. You're

673
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<v Speaker 2>not going to actually want to go higher into formlessness

674
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:27.639
<v Speaker 2>because it's just too good. So that is that is

675
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<v Speaker 2>one of the I would say pitfalls that's described in

676
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<v Speaker 2>this image in particular. And then if Nick, if you

677
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<v Speaker 2>don't mind doing the last one, and then we can

678
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<v Speaker 2>put the nuts I'm sorry, guys, or if Josh has

679
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:36.760
<v Speaker 2>anything to say.

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<v Speaker 3>I like this image how it has the gold on

681
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<v Speaker 3>the pink salmon in that. Yeahah, I had a comment actually,

682
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<v Speaker 3>oh that image should go for it.

683
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:48.519
<v Speaker 1>I only an image prior. Actually, oh, but the Christ

684
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:49.639
<v Speaker 1>there you go there.

685
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<v Speaker 5>I just wanted to point out in this image in

686
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<v Speaker 5>particular where we see the crown. Of course this is

687
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:02.639
<v Speaker 5>an artistic interpretation, but we do commonly see arcs in

688
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.840
<v Speaker 5>that image there. And of course we're always talking about

689
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:10.840
<v Speaker 5>arc angels, and you know, the degrees of the arcs

690
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:11.920
<v Speaker 5>all on each.

691
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Angels represented by a different arc.

692
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<v Speaker 5>So there could be some extra stuff encoded in there,

693
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:20.960
<v Speaker 5>depending on what the math is that we're looking at

694
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:24.559
<v Speaker 5>right there. And of course I agree that you know

695
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:27.800
<v Speaker 5>he is the Kabbala tree in this essence, right we

696
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:29.480
<v Speaker 5>got the crown and the heart. But I think the

697
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.360
<v Speaker 5>vegus nerve you were talking about earlier might lend itself

698
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:37.320
<v Speaker 5>to the mind and heart connection, or the soul heart connection,

699
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:39.920
<v Speaker 5>whatever connection there might be between the crown and the heart.

700
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:44.199
<v Speaker 5>There's a meditation by a master chokok Sui I think

701
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:46.760
<v Speaker 5>his name is. He does a meditation on twin hearts,

702
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:51.880
<v Speaker 5>and I know that that really emphasizes the heart and crown,

703
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:57.960
<v Speaker 5>but he places a great emphasis on pink light also

704
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:00.760
<v Speaker 5>in the meditation, So I thought that was curious when

705
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:02.960
<v Speaker 5>you mentioned that, gen it made me think of that meditation.

706
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.519
<v Speaker 5>And also you mentioned how tipp breath was mostly light

707
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:11.079
<v Speaker 5>and how it also had a perido or green shade

708
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:12.760
<v Speaker 5>to it, and I couldn't help but think of the

709
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:18.559
<v Speaker 5>fact that plant life is green, and how there might

710
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:22.960
<v Speaker 5>be some type of connection there with maybe mercy or love,

711
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:26.360
<v Speaker 5>because I'm reminded of the story of the Arc and

712
00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:33.039
<v Speaker 5>the flood again arc and how it wasn't until Noah

713
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:36.840
<v Speaker 5>was brought a olive sprig by the dove that he

714
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 5>knew that the that the garuva had ended the judgment,

715
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.480
<v Speaker 5>And so there may be maybe this the sprig of aries,

716
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:52.400
<v Speaker 5>even the green sprouting, maybybe that's somewhat symbolic and related.

717
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:54.559
<v Speaker 5>But I had a question from Matt real quick before

718
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:57.559
<v Speaker 5>we moved on to the Netsac. So with you mentioned

719
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.360
<v Speaker 5>how tip Berreth had the most connection, and so it

720
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:05.719
<v Speaker 5>came to mind all of the different paths that connect

721
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:09.760
<v Speaker 5>to tip rat each have a Hebrew letter assigned, so

722
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:12.599
<v Speaker 5>I was curious if you had ever taken all of

723
00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:16.280
<v Speaker 5>them together, and maybe if that was an anagram, or

724
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:20.280
<v Speaker 5>you know, if there was any curiosities that maybe sprang

725
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:24.159
<v Speaker 5>forth from from taking those letters and looking at them together.

726
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:28.079
<v Speaker 5>But the one final thought I had was how you

727
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.119
<v Speaker 5>guys were talking about how these things can relate to

728
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:33.840
<v Speaker 5>love in different ways, both right and left, it seemed like,

729
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:34.519
<v Speaker 5>and I was.

730
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Thinking, like, oh, people can love to fight, or they

731
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:42.039
<v Speaker 1>can love to love. You can love to do a

732
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:42.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of things.

733
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:46.840
<v Speaker 5>And when you just hear somebody exclaim I love this

734
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:49.880
<v Speaker 5>or that, whatever it might be, might be kind of

735
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 5>silly or superficial. But at the same and at some

736
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:56.920
<v Speaker 5>level though they're tapping and something's filling their tip rat

737
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:01.480
<v Speaker 5>in that regard, right, So whatever be a path or whatever. Anyway,

738
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<v Speaker 5>I just wanted to ask you that question about the paths.

739
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.559
<v Speaker 6>I can quickly answer the letters. I never tried. This

740
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:12.679
<v Speaker 6>is a very nice idea, but I can quickly say

741
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.400
<v Speaker 6>the letters. And then maybe somebody cooks up while the

742
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:18.840
<v Speaker 6>others are talking. So if we want to go in order,

743
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:26.039
<v Speaker 6>we would have gimmel hit zion, you'd lahmed noon summer,

744
00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:29.840
<v Speaker 6>and I'm do what you will. Let's see if there's

745
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.800
<v Speaker 6>a kind of a connection there but then one thing

746
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:34.920
<v Speaker 6>that is actually very funny about that is that we

747
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:39.000
<v Speaker 6>would have then we have eight connections, and then I

748
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:42.840
<v Speaker 6>get reminded of like Buddha in the eight paths, right,

749
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.559
<v Speaker 6>maybe all leading to different in a way, who knows.

750
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:50.320
<v Speaker 6>So that was a very interesting question. I'll think about

751
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:52.599
<v Speaker 6>it also, like how to connect those letters?

752
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.639
<v Speaker 5>Well, shooting off the hip, I was just thinking how

753
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.440
<v Speaker 5>the minora has seven branches, but the eighth is for

754
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:02.239
<v Speaker 5>the servant candle, the shamash, So maybe tip a rat.

755
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:06.719
<v Speaker 5>Maybe that's kind of the menora analogous thing there. I'm

756
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:07.119
<v Speaker 5>not sure.

757
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:08.079
<v Speaker 1>I was just sking.

758
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:11.960
<v Speaker 2>This is really interesting because I haven't talked about this

759
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot lately, but obviously the beginning of my podcast career,

760
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:18.360
<v Speaker 2>even that early episodes with Nick, I talked about this

761
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:20.960
<v Speaker 2>goddess who is at what I would say it was

762
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.559
<v Speaker 2>at tiffer It. She's Parado in color, but she also

763
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.320
<v Speaker 2>wears like red, and she has other wears a lot

764
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.119
<v Speaker 2>of gold and all these things. Okay, so she I

765
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 2>said that she matches tiffer It in certain qualities, and

766
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:36.960
<v Speaker 2>she has eight limbs, and so if you understand the

767
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.000
<v Speaker 2>tontric iconography in it, she has to have eight lovers,

768
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:44.119
<v Speaker 2>eight time kings. And so how you would do this

769
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.880
<v Speaker 2>this is like old fashioned medieval contra. This is not

770
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:51.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying to do this, I'm just saying this

771
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:54.360
<v Speaker 2>is how the text describes. So you would pick eight

772
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:58.239
<v Speaker 2>men dependent on their birth date and certain archetypes that

773
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:02.639
<v Speaker 2>they embody physically. And so the Chandali, the princess of

774
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:07.599
<v Speaker 2>the outcase, she would go and have relations with all

775
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:10.400
<v Speaker 2>of these people, and then she would be kind of

776
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:12.559
<v Speaker 2>the queen of Tiffert. And so what that was supposed

777
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:18.119
<v Speaker 2>to give as the boon is the quality of fame worldwide, renown,

778
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:24.400
<v Speaker 2>extreme powers to magnetize, to bring people into your song,

779
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:28.320
<v Speaker 2>ritual words in grammar. So that plays off of what

780
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Matt said. And it's so interesting because she is the

781
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:35.280
<v Speaker 2>goddess who puts the words and the tempo and the

782
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:39.920
<v Speaker 2>order the actual syntax of magical music. So not just

783
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:43.920
<v Speaker 2>regular music. This is ritual music composed in a very

784
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:48.159
<v Speaker 2>specific using contra to logic kind of way. So she

785
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:52.000
<v Speaker 2>is the goddess of that of synthesis in the truest sense.

786
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:55.679
<v Speaker 2>So very interesting about the letters, And because the goddess

787
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:58.360
<v Speaker 2>is in tntra, it's not necessarily cross system, but they

788
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:02.920
<v Speaker 2>are the letters because they are also light, so very interesting,

789
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:07.960
<v Speaker 2>I think as well. But what else was I gonna say? Okay,

790
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:10.599
<v Speaker 2>so to I want to just before we go to nutsac,

791
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:12.760
<v Speaker 2>can we just do the last sorry? Sorry Nick. If

792
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.000
<v Speaker 2>we can do the dragon image, I think it'll this

793
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:16.719
<v Speaker 2>will tie into net SoC I think this will give

794
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:19.800
<v Speaker 2>us a good snakes and ladders. So this is Rahula

795
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:23.199
<v Speaker 2>saw so Rahula. People will know him if they know

796
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Vedic astrology as Rahu and Katu. The Buddhist image, obviously

797
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:31.039
<v Speaker 2>is not It's not just his head and his tail,

798
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:33.159
<v Speaker 2>which is how the Vedics would see him as two

799
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:37.199
<v Speaker 2>separate entities. He's actually one entity. He's unified, and he

800
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:41.599
<v Speaker 2>has wait for it, eight heads on his crown, and

801
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:44.360
<v Speaker 2>he also has a raven's crown, so the raven is

802
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:48.400
<v Speaker 2>his ninth quote unquote head. Some people would say that

803
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:51.800
<v Speaker 2>the raven represents Shawnee or Saturn, so that would be

804
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of the end of the eight or ninth planet cycle.

805
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:59.079
<v Speaker 2>Vedic astrology uses a nine planetary cycle, so this is

806
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:02.320
<v Speaker 2>really important. So he is the king of his own planets,

807
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:04.599
<v Speaker 2>but he is also the king of all the planets

808
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.559
<v Speaker 2>in some ways of thinking. He's the king of space,

809
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:11.960
<v Speaker 2>so he obviously I chose one that had colors that

810
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:14.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought were appropriate for this conversation. But his tail

811
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:18.760
<v Speaker 2>is green. But if you understand the text, the scales

812
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:23.119
<v Speaker 2>can open up and they become eyes, so they become opalescent.

813
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:26.599
<v Speaker 2>So that's really interesting. So it's green, but it's not

814
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:30.000
<v Speaker 2>quite green. And even the red that they're showing him, yes,

815
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:32.920
<v Speaker 2>it's red, and then with the flames it appears as red,

816
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:37.360
<v Speaker 2>but really the tnric color is purple or brown. So

817
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.599
<v Speaker 2>I just think that those two things are very interesting

818
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:43.360
<v Speaker 2>when you're talking about the higher order thinking. But then

819
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:45.880
<v Speaker 2>of course you have the pink, you have the turquoise,

820
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:49.639
<v Speaker 2>you have the green clouds beneath him. So green is

821
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.360
<v Speaker 2>really the color of synthesis, red and blue. I know

822
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:54.360
<v Speaker 2>people are gonna be like, no, it's purple. Purple is

823
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:58.119
<v Speaker 2>the lower density, it's the stronger density color. Green is

824
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:02.559
<v Speaker 2>the true neutral color, and then pink is the color

825
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:06.599
<v Speaker 2>of that decoherence around it, because you need the pink

826
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:08.719
<v Speaker 2>to give contour to the green. This is a really

827
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:12.280
<v Speaker 2>important principle for alchemy, and just obviously something I talk

828
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:14.880
<v Speaker 2>about a lot about when we do these cabal spaces.

829
00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:19.119
<v Speaker 2>And so the pink is not the truth, but it

830
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.679
<v Speaker 2>contains the truth because it gives contour and context to

831
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:25.400
<v Speaker 2>what arises in it, which if we go off Matt's

832
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:28.639
<v Speaker 2>example and say it's the water or excuse not the

833
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:32.599
<v Speaker 2>water the letters there's a language of fire and there's

834
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:35.360
<v Speaker 2>also a language of water. But what are those two things?

835
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Just languages of light, writing of light, words of light.

836
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:43.039
<v Speaker 2>So maybe the pink is there to give those things

837
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:46.039
<v Speaker 2>context and contour, and maybe that's what green really is,

838
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:50.239
<v Speaker 2>green at its most pristine quality, not is like murkier,

839
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.519
<v Speaker 2>darker qualities. But because if we think we are the

840
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:55.480
<v Speaker 2>if we have a big ego and we say, oh

841
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:57.360
<v Speaker 2>I know all the words, I have all the knowledge,

842
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.840
<v Speaker 2>I have all the things. I am God, I am

843
00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:03.199
<v Speaker 2>the beasts. Yes, those are useful ideas, but they're also

844
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:05.920
<v Speaker 2>you can't stay stuck in those ideas.

845
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:07.000
<v Speaker 6>And that's the problem.

846
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:09.880
<v Speaker 2>I think we're different. But it is interesting because we

847
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:12.599
<v Speaker 2>just had an eclipse yesterday, So he is the dragon

848
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:14.199
<v Speaker 2>of the eclipse. And if you see he's holding a

849
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:17.800
<v Speaker 2>bow and arrow. In contrac iconography, a bow and arrow

850
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:22.119
<v Speaker 2>refers to the eclipse. So his tail eats the sun

851
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:26.480
<v Speaker 2>and his head eats the moon. But this this last

852
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:29.599
<v Speaker 2>eclipse was actually the reverse, so it was kind of

853
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:34.199
<v Speaker 2>a pull shift, you could say. Or his head ate

854
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:38.800
<v Speaker 2>the sun partially and his tail ate the moon a

855
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:43.119
<v Speaker 2>few weeks ago. So you know, that's how I agree.

856
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.719
<v Speaker 2>It's like so much about polarity, so much about looking

857
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:48.519
<v Speaker 2>at the astrology and not being married to it, but saying, okay,

858
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:51.039
<v Speaker 2>what is this telling me? This is an interesting cabalistic

859
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.880
<v Speaker 2>story of how to climb the tree because there is

860
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.280
<v Speaker 2>no greater example of how to climb the tree than

861
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.440
<v Speaker 2>snakes and ladders. Obviously the lightning path as Matt talks about,

862
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:03.119
<v Speaker 2>and the dragon path both, so you also have to

863
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:05.840
<v Speaker 2>consider that it's like the snakes and Ladders is tntra

864
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.760
<v Speaker 2>that comes from Jane Tontra that even the game that

865
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:13.199
<v Speaker 2>everybody knows, and it's a tontric idea of climbing the tree.

866
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:18.199
<v Speaker 2>They use nine spheres, particularly for Jainism, but you know

867
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:20.639
<v Speaker 2>they're talking about the tree. They even call it the tree.

868
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:23.760
<v Speaker 2>They call it Jumbovia, the rose apple tree. So there

869
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:25.559
<v Speaker 2>you have the reference to pink and as we talked

870
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:28.400
<v Speaker 2>about in the Cather episode, I like I think that

871
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:32.480
<v Speaker 2>pink is a very has a strong quality of kether

872
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:34.280
<v Speaker 2>because it has a strong quality of the truth.

873
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:38.079
<v Speaker 1>May I make a comment onllness image?

874
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:39.000
<v Speaker 3>Go for it.

875
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:44.480
<v Speaker 5>It reminded me how we were talking about the synthesis

876
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:48.320
<v Speaker 5>of fire and water earlier and just mulling it around

877
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:48.880
<v Speaker 5>in my head.

878
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:50.280
<v Speaker 1>It reminded me of that.

879
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:55.239
<v Speaker 5>That silly social media posts that you see sometimes where

880
00:47:56.000 --> 00:48:01.000
<v Speaker 5>taurists will buy grilled water and it's got like seasoning

881
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:04.039
<v Speaker 5>and stuff on it, but it's also got a smoky flavor,

882
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:07.599
<v Speaker 5>and so it reminded me of the smokiness of Rahou

883
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:09.880
<v Speaker 5>and all that that you talk about a lot. And

884
00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:13.800
<v Speaker 5>then when you mentioned the scales also having eyes on

885
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:19.119
<v Speaker 5>the bottom, I noticed Matt included the list of fletters

886
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:23.880
<v Speaker 5>there and the last one is I in which is I,

887
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:27.800
<v Speaker 5>I think right, So as you were talking about the eyes,

888
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:29.440
<v Speaker 5>I saw that I was like, Wow, I wonder if

889
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:32.800
<v Speaker 5>there's some fact strange connection here, But of course I

890
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:35.159
<v Speaker 5>don't know the too well enough to know, but theose

891
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:36.760
<v Speaker 5>are just some thoughts that came to my mind as

892
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:37.960
<v Speaker 5>you were discussing this image.

893
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:40.039
<v Speaker 1>So thank you for mentioning that.

894
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:44.880
<v Speaker 2>I've got one last thing and I'll be quiet, I promise.

895
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:49.199
<v Speaker 2>There are sixty four letters in Tontric like red alphabet,

896
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:53.039
<v Speaker 2>so you could say the songs sounds for alphabet has

897
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:55.599
<v Speaker 2>sixty four letters, but it's really the Tontric idea of

898
00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:58.639
<v Speaker 2>the alphabet has sixty four letters, so that's obviously different

899
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:00.320
<v Speaker 2>and has said do you want to think of it

900
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.800
<v Speaker 2>like that? But it's also like the ten and the one,

901
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:06.079
<v Speaker 2>So the ten is also the one because zero's obviously empty,

902
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:09.960
<v Speaker 2>not nothing empty, and so he can but he is

903
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:12.920
<v Speaker 2>said to also have one hundred and eight extraneous eyes.

904
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:16.400
<v Speaker 2>So this is really interesting because in contrac astrology, the

905
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:19.840
<v Speaker 2>sun is actually a sign the number nine. And I've

906
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:23.119
<v Speaker 2>always thought that perhaps maybe they just flipped it, like

907
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:26.400
<v Speaker 2>maybe they saw a six or whatever, they saw the

908
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:29.840
<v Speaker 2>image of like whatever that is, even like whatever six

909
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:32.719
<v Speaker 2>even is, and they just flipped it over, and so

910
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:36.320
<v Speaker 2>they made it the nine instead of your sad. I

911
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:39.000
<v Speaker 2>don't know, just an idea, because everything is reflected, right,

912
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:41.880
<v Speaker 2>like there is a supernal waters and things get flipped

913
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:44.239
<v Speaker 2>and people come back down and they might see a

914
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:46.639
<v Speaker 2>different because they had a different perspective or a different

915
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:50.239
<v Speaker 2>system or they you know, they maybe they're thinking was flipped,

916
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:52.960
<v Speaker 2>because that can also flip the image for you in

917
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:54.920
<v Speaker 2>those higher experiences in my opinion.

918
00:49:56.079 --> 00:50:00.480
<v Speaker 6>Now, okay, perfect timing the lamed so the hanged man,

919
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:05.960
<v Speaker 6>which is give to tifferent, he's literally upside down looking right,

920
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.199
<v Speaker 6>so he's looking from another perspective, literally upside down. And

921
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:13.239
<v Speaker 6>then I just reminded now that the path then between

922
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:16.760
<v Speaker 6>Tifferate and Nisa, which makes like then a straight line

923
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.000
<v Speaker 6>like this down, so when you're going down the tree,

924
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:23.000
<v Speaker 6>it would be one after the other. The way I

925
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:26.159
<v Speaker 6>connect at least a tarot would be temperance, which again

926
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:33.800
<v Speaker 6>talking about the making things harmonized, right, making the solution harmonized,

927
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:36.559
<v Speaker 6>so blending the solutions and so on. So I think

928
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:39.360
<v Speaker 6>that's a very very nice plot to then start talking

929
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:40.039
<v Speaker 6>about Niza.

930
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:46.519
<v Speaker 2>I agree. And his tail actually can be said to

931
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:49.239
<v Speaker 2>oh no, I'm sorry his head and said to be

932
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:52.880
<v Speaker 2>starting at Venus, so that's also interesting, Like where he

933
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:56.320
<v Speaker 2>comes into formation into the world would be at nut

934
00:50:56.360 --> 00:51:00.320
<v Speaker 2>soccer Venus because he loves materiality, he loves sucks, drugs

935
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:01.840
<v Speaker 2>and rock and roll. I mean, that's what he is,

936
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:04.000
<v Speaker 2>the god of He's the you know, he prayed him

937
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:06.760
<v Speaker 2>for gambling luck and all that stuff. So you know

938
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:10.760
<v Speaker 2>they love him in Thailand especially, so yeah, he he he.

939
00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:13.639
<v Speaker 2>He can give you all those boons, those worldly boons,

940
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:16.039
<v Speaker 2>but then his tail is like I'm the guru, I'm

941
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:20.880
<v Speaker 2>the I want to escape this this like it's very antibody, narcissism.

942
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.000
<v Speaker 2>It's very like I want to just escape this world.

943
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:26.800
<v Speaker 2>It's it's like a trap. It's a you know, it's

944
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:30.320
<v Speaker 2>a it's keeping me down. But no, that's really because

945
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:33.000
<v Speaker 2>he's unified, he's not separate, right, So that's really you

946
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:36.000
<v Speaker 2>yourself is keeping you down. You're the one who's become

947
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:38.199
<v Speaker 2>aggregated or you're the one who's become full of, as

948
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:39.119
<v Speaker 2>we would say, desire.

949
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:50.199
<v Speaker 3>Thank you sir, day way else want to oh, do

950
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.039
<v Speaker 3>you have another image to Jina? Did you want to

951
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:52.280
<v Speaker 3>show that?

952
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I thought this would be the perfect entree into

953
00:51:56.639 --> 00:52:01.639
<v Speaker 2>unsuck because I although I don't I say that. So

954
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:04.840
<v Speaker 2>this is Mary Magdalene. She's holding her crystal vial. You

955
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:08.440
<v Speaker 2>can't really tell, but she is wearing very good tifferatic

956
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:10.719
<v Speaker 2>colors if you want to say that. And she also

957
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:12.920
<v Speaker 2>has the white and there's pink roses and then the

958
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:15.760
<v Speaker 2>green leaf of nets. SoC so she's standing upon the garden,

959
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:19.320
<v Speaker 2>you could say. So she's very literally like an illuminator,

960
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.880
<v Speaker 2>a luciferic force. Maybe you could even say of from Netsoc.

961
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:26.519
<v Speaker 2>But she's not fixed in Netsoc because for me, this

962
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:29.639
<v Speaker 2>is just for me. But and obviously I think the

963
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:31.840
<v Speaker 2>three of you also know this is like I don't

964
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:34.480
<v Speaker 2>agree that the daughter is the same as the mother.

965
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:37.920
<v Speaker 2>So for me, the archetypes are different and distinct and

966
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:41.719
<v Speaker 2>should be distinguished. So she, for me, represents the daughter archetype,

967
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:45.280
<v Speaker 2>meaning that she can come up maybe through nets SoC,

968
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:48.679
<v Speaker 2>maybe through the saint's path, you know, depending on how

969
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:51.199
<v Speaker 2>you understand that, the path of the Saud. So maybe

970
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:53.440
<v Speaker 2>it's different than the hero, but she still comes up

971
00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:56.800
<v Speaker 2>into that that tipperatic role, but her role is hidden.

972
00:52:57.239 --> 00:52:59.280
<v Speaker 2>And that's also a quality of pink is it's not

973
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.719
<v Speaker 2>really real. It's a crystalline color. It's a prismatic or

974
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:06.679
<v Speaker 2>spectral color. So it's actually a color that you could

975
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:08.559
<v Speaker 2>say it comes from God if you want us to

976
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:12.599
<v Speaker 2>call it that himself or whomever, because it's very much

977
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:16.679
<v Speaker 2>something that our mind places upon something that shouldn't really exist.

978
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:20.559
<v Speaker 2>It's almost like a crystalline spectral as I said color,

979
00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:24.519
<v Speaker 2>it's almost electric and alive. So I just think that

980
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:27.079
<v Speaker 2>she's a cool image. And obviously you can say her

981
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:29.639
<v Speaker 2>and Jesus are married, and then that's obviously all chemical

982
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.599
<v Speaker 2>wedding stuff. But I'm not saying it literally. I'm not

983
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:35.679
<v Speaker 2>saying it just says like it's kind of a metacosmology,

984
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.280
<v Speaker 2>like you can just use the idea of the story.

985
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:40.320
<v Speaker 2>They don't have to be married. They could be the sisky,

986
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:44.719
<v Speaker 2>they could be. You know, there's many interpretations, or some

987
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:46.679
<v Speaker 2>people would even say I don't believe this, but some

988
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:50.480
<v Speaker 2>people would even say that Mary Magdalene is Jesus himself,

989
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:53.360
<v Speaker 2>just dressed and maybe a hermetic garb. I've heard that.

990
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:56.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't agree with that. I'm just putting it out

991
00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:57.760
<v Speaker 2>there that that is what some people think.

992
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:06.840
<v Speaker 4>There's a humiliation ritual. And one thing I find interesting

993
00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:09.280
<v Speaker 4>with this is just saying she's married. Her hair is braided.

994
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:13.039
<v Speaker 4>I know in somehow chemical texts off their hair are

995
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:17.320
<v Speaker 4>kind of like you know, flowing. It shows them untamed

996
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:22.639
<v Speaker 4>and not married, so there is something with the marriage.

997
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:24.039
<v Speaker 1>I would also like to mention.

998
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:28.760
<v Speaker 5>We have the Holy Mary's right. I think there's three

999
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:31.760
<v Speaker 5>of them, but Mary's usually are word refers to the

1000
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:35.760
<v Speaker 5>sea or ocean bodies of water. And so just now

1001
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:38.559
<v Speaker 5>I was thinking of the Holy Sea and how the

1002
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:40.159
<v Speaker 5>church is the bride.

1003
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Of Christ and all these things. Well, Mary Magdalene might

1004
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:45.159
<v Speaker 1>also be the bride of Christ. So there might be

1005
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:46.400
<v Speaker 1>some word play going on.

1006
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:53.599
<v Speaker 2>There, because you can you can say, like Nick, I've

1007
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:57.880
<v Speaker 2>heard next say this, like with not Mary Magdalene, but

1008
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:01.000
<v Speaker 2>like our Lady of the Seven Sorrow who has the

1009
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:04.719
<v Speaker 2>knives in her heart. That's a very Bana image. Like

1010
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:08.519
<v Speaker 2>that's a very Saturnian image, and Saturn and or Binna

1011
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:11.280
<v Speaker 2>and Ntsalk are obviously we've discussed this. They have a

1012
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:15.280
<v Speaker 2>strong relationship kind of keeps her in form. So that's

1013
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:17.400
<v Speaker 2>why I like to distinguish like the mother and the daughter,

1014
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:20.199
<v Speaker 2>because the daughter is freer. But it's also like what

1015
00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Nick said, she's not completely untamed, but maybe she possesses

1016
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:29.360
<v Speaker 2>that quality of love and will together. You often see

1017
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:32.119
<v Speaker 2>this in what I call like rebellious princess sort of

1018
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:36.280
<v Speaker 2>archetypes and mythology. He's possessed of herself, but she's innocent.

1019
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:42.199
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't know about like ritual magic and blood sacrifice

1020
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:44.679
<v Speaker 2>and like evil, but she has her love and she

1021
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:47.440
<v Speaker 2>has her will, and that's sort of what sets her

1022
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:49.400
<v Speaker 2>forth on the path, and that's what makes her a

1023
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:53.400
<v Speaker 2>great saint too, because she is not tainted inherently by

1024
00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:56.239
<v Speaker 2>worldly things, even though in a tontric way we would

1025
00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:58.199
<v Speaker 2>say that to travel the path of the saint is

1026
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:01.519
<v Speaker 2>to also walk through the carnal ground. So that's kind

1027
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:03.119
<v Speaker 2>of how I think of her as like very much

1028
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:07.079
<v Speaker 2>a compliment to sort of the heroic qualities of the Sun.

1029
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:10.519
<v Speaker 2>It's not necessarily and it's not integation at all. It's

1030
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:13.719
<v Speaker 2>been perfect compliment, perfect synthesis. That's why I like, I

1031
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:16.920
<v Speaker 2>think it's so important to we talked about this last time,

1032
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:20.599
<v Speaker 2>like the sufferer are not masculine or feminine inherently, and

1033
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:23.119
<v Speaker 2>so I think it's good, like when we do these

1034
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:27.119
<v Speaker 2>public discussions of what Cabala is, it's good that people

1035
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:29.840
<v Speaker 2>can see that there are actually other archetypes that can

1036
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:32.079
<v Speaker 2>appear there. And it's not in negation. It doesn't even

1037
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:35.960
<v Speaker 2>have to be in conflation like thinking it's the hermetic Jesus. No,

1038
00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:38.440
<v Speaker 2>you can actually say that you can distinguish them. As

1039
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:42.599
<v Speaker 2>Paris also said, the most base distinguishment in all of

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00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:45.360
<v Speaker 2>nature and all the phenomena is the masculine and the feminine.

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00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:48.119
<v Speaker 2>It's totally okay to just distinguish them. But if you

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00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:51.880
<v Speaker 2>go beyond, maybe you say it's oh, it's all the same.

1043
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:53.920
<v Speaker 2>It's all the same, sure, but it's still good. I

1044
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:57.480
<v Speaker 2>think it's useful for you know, penetrating the densities.

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00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:04.000
<v Speaker 3>No pun, well said, Uh you guys ready to move

1046
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:08.679
<v Speaker 3>on to nets Sock, not Russian or anything. I'm just saying, okay,

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00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:13.639
<v Speaker 3>all right, so, uh where's my notes? All right?

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00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:18.320
<v Speaker 4>Uh so yeah, nets Sock it's one of my favorite ones.

1049
00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:20.239
<v Speaker 4>I think it's probably one of gins too, right. We

1050
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:21.440
<v Speaker 4>tend to talk about it the most.

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00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Kay, It's so important for magic, So I'll just say for.

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00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:32.039
<v Speaker 4>Sure, nets SoC is the seventh sepherer, means victory and

1053
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:35.079
<v Speaker 4>his position on the pillar of mercy. Some associate nets

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00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:39.360
<v Speaker 4>Sock with creativity, emotion, and endurance under the influence of Venus.

1055
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:43.440
<v Speaker 4>We can also be called the occult intelligence pat seven

1056
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:48.760
<v Speaker 4>or the refulgent splendor of the intellectual virtues. Again, the

1057
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:53.840
<v Speaker 4>title of meeting at netsc equals victory or firmness. Nets

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00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:58.880
<v Speaker 4>Sock's virtues are as unselfishness, firmness, and valor, magical image

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00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:06.400
<v Speaker 4>a beautiful naked woman. The divine name and archangel Jehovah Sabbath.

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00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:10.039
<v Speaker 4>If I'm saying that right lord of hoatsh the archangel

1061
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:13.639
<v Speaker 4>is Haniel, whose roller ship is often linked to the

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00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:17.239
<v Speaker 4>moon in Venus, and that personifies beauty and love. The

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00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:20.679
<v Speaker 4>order of angels the angelic order of Netsalck is the

1064
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:25.960
<v Speaker 4>elo hymn. Formative powers or archetypal ideas. The planet or

1065
00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:29.320
<v Speaker 4>the planet would be Venus, the virtue and the vice

1066
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:36.159
<v Speaker 4>unselfishness as nets Sock's virtue, and on chastity and lust

1067
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:43.880
<v Speaker 4>as its vice. Spiritual experience vision of beauty Triumphant symbols

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00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:46.599
<v Speaker 4>could be the lamp and the girdle and the rose

1069
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:51.960
<v Speaker 4>as primary symbols basically feminine. The feminine grace would be

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00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:55.239
<v Speaker 4>the rose. Active inspiration would be the lamp, and readiness

1071
00:58:55.440 --> 00:59:00.280
<v Speaker 4>to love it would be the girdle. Tarot correspondences the

1072
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:06.519
<v Speaker 4>suit of sevens, and the colors at Sluth would be Ambibria, emerald,

1073
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:10.920
<v Speaker 4>Yez a bright yellow green, and Assi a olive flecked

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00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:17.760
<v Speaker 4>with gold. And the psychological spiritual function uh net Sock

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00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:21.519
<v Speaker 4>underlies instincts and emotional drives is the realm where free,

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00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:25.239
<v Speaker 4>free moving force begins to coalesce into forms of life.

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00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:29.880
<v Speaker 4>Net Sock is the seat of creative image, the seat

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00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:34.719
<v Speaker 4>of creative imagination and the esthetic principle of nature. Net

1079
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:38.800
<v Speaker 4>Sock's victory comes from conquering illusions or glamour of superficial beauty,

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00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:42.639
<v Speaker 4>integrating the moral and spiritual depth behind appearances.

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00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:50.119
<v Speaker 3>And that is what I got for the notes. Any

1082
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:51.559
<v Speaker 3>of you guys want to go before I start saying

1083
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:53.519
<v Speaker 3>stuff about It's like I.

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00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:57.519
<v Speaker 5>Just had a funny joke. You said you weren't right then,

1085
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.760
<v Speaker 5>but earlier weren't with Stalin, Oh.

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01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:05.360
<v Speaker 3>Fuck.

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01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:08.920
<v Speaker 2>This is what Joshua is famous for, is the dad jokes.

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01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.400
<v Speaker 4>I just want that was a dad joke for sure.

1089
01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:13.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna actually write down the time to make sure

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01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:17.000
<v Speaker 4>from josh there's never not a dad joke like that

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01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:21.639
<v Speaker 4>was good. But Stalin, Wow, there's a lot on net

1092
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:23.559
<v Speaker 4>Sock that's like I don't even know where to start.

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01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:29.719
<v Speaker 4>One thing I will uh I do you know in

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01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:34.239
<v Speaker 4>this if you were to read into it more, when

1096
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:36.920
<v Speaker 4>this goes to sphere eight, there is like a rainbow

1097
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:39.559
<v Speaker 4>that's supposed to be like you know, going from one

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01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:41.800
<v Speaker 4>to the next where it's supposed to be like sending out.

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01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:43.159
<v Speaker 4>It's the best way for me to explain it that

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01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:45.639
<v Speaker 4>I can remember. So I do even think like all

1101
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:50.599
<v Speaker 4>the visual colors go at net sock. I guess want

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01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:52.760
<v Speaker 4>I want to try to get at here is like

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01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:55.400
<v Speaker 4>sometimes you will hear like Lucifer even associated with this

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01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:58.920
<v Speaker 4>because of Venus, and I do think you can have

1105
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:02.519
<v Speaker 4>both in this sphere. And I do think, you know,

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01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:05.760
<v Speaker 4>the spheres do have technically both in a sense the

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01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:10.400
<v Speaker 4>male and feminine aspects that this I would say is

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01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:12.239
<v Speaker 4>like kind of like again, I almost use the light

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01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:13.840
<v Speaker 4>bulb example.

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01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:15.440
<v Speaker 3>I could see the.

1111
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:20.480
<v Speaker 4>Vessel and the way it looks would be like Lucifer's

1112
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:23.000
<v Speaker 4>light shining, and the feminine energy is going to put

1113
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:25.079
<v Speaker 4>it into whatever vision that makes you fall in love

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01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:30.000
<v Speaker 4>with that image what captivates your eyes, in my opinion,

1115
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:34.199
<v Speaker 4>with this sphere looking at it in this reality, which

1116
01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:35.840
<v Speaker 4>is one of the reasons why I really like this one,

1117
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:37.519
<v Speaker 4>because there's so many different ways of looking at it.

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01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:40.000
<v Speaker 4>But I do think it can get very deep to

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01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:43.519
<v Speaker 4>the extent where it's actually kind of like the false

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01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:45.639
<v Speaker 4>reality that you're falling in love with in this world.

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01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:49.440
<v Speaker 4>It's the beauty of the like what however, like again,

1122
01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:53.559
<v Speaker 4>even lust, I mean, obviously you're gonna lust a person

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01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:56.440
<v Speaker 4>who's of that looks appealing to you.

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01:01:57.239 --> 01:01:57.880
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying.

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01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.360
<v Speaker 4>There's gonna be certain visuals and certain aspects, maybe even

1126
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:02.719
<v Speaker 4>the sound of the voice, whatever, something in this reality

1127
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:04.440
<v Speaker 4>that's gonna catch you and get you stuck on that.

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01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:07.239
<v Speaker 4>I do think to an extent that is kind of

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01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:12.239
<v Speaker 4>like net sock working. I think to a certain extent,

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01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:14.599
<v Speaker 4>I would even say, like advice of this would be

1131
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:18.800
<v Speaker 4>like you know, falling in love with this world completely

1132
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:21.239
<v Speaker 4>and being you know, shut off from the idea of

1133
01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:25.000
<v Speaker 4>God and all the materialistic things that would go along

1134
01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:29.079
<v Speaker 4>with it. But like that's I do even think it

1135
01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:32.280
<v Speaker 4>has a lot to do with the eyeballs in itself.

1136
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:34.719
<v Speaker 4>I actually think a part of this that would even

1137
01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:38.480
<v Speaker 4>go back to the eyeballs to where I would even say,

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01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:40.840
<v Speaker 4>if we lived in a black and white world, I

1139
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:46.599
<v Speaker 4>think things would not look as three D as realistic

1140
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:49.760
<v Speaker 4>to where it would really catch your attention. And it's

1141
01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:51.320
<v Speaker 4>another thing I was kind of going back with with

1142
01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:53.599
<v Speaker 4>the whole rainbow. I even think, like the ideas of

1143
01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:56.840
<v Speaker 4>colors to give depth and perception and to really give

1144
01:02:56.960 --> 01:03:00.800
<v Speaker 4>things a detail is what mind fucks you. It makes

1145
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:05.119
<v Speaker 4>you full in love with the images and things because

1146
01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:07.119
<v Speaker 4>I always say, in my opinion, I think if you

1147
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:09.079
<v Speaker 4>want to have a magical experiences, you got to close

1148
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:11.199
<v Speaker 4>these eyes and show off this world and go somewhere else.

1149
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:14.519
<v Speaker 4>It's I think opening up your eyes and loving everything

1150
01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:18.159
<v Speaker 4>that you see is the vice. That's a little deep,

1151
01:03:18.199 --> 01:03:21.519
<v Speaker 4>in a little extreme, but that's how I look at it.

1152
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:24.599
<v Speaker 4>I do think if you're a living in this world

1153
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:26.239
<v Speaker 4>with your eyes open and you're in love with it,

1154
01:03:26.400 --> 01:03:29.320
<v Speaker 4>you are under some sort of Luciferian control.

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01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:31.000
<v Speaker 6>You know.

1156
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:32.639
<v Speaker 3>That's that's my opinion.

1157
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:36.719
<v Speaker 2>But I agree Nick. I think I think the contra

1158
01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:39.280
<v Speaker 2>explains like I think it agrees with you one hundred percent.

1159
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Like when we talk about the images, I want right now,

1160
01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:43.239
<v Speaker 2>I want to let hear what Matt has to say.

1161
01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:45.679
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think that that's a lot about what

1162
01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:48.119
<v Speaker 2>it is. It's there's a higher and a lower force

1163
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:52.440
<v Speaker 2>immediately there right there, and so that's that is also

1164
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:55.199
<v Speaker 2>a trap. It's also like a cleep up, like very

1165
01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:58.840
<v Speaker 2>very obviously, like do you get stuck in the matter,

1166
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm not saying I'm not a reject matter person.

1167
01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:04.559
<v Speaker 2>But I'm also right, like I know you're not either.

1168
01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:08.000
<v Speaker 2>It's like, but we're saying non extreme. So yeah, it's

1169
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:10.920
<v Speaker 2>not about like the full embrace of like materialism, but

1170
01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:16.039
<v Speaker 2>it's also not about necessarily the it's not about worldly

1171
01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:19.000
<v Speaker 2>spiritualism either, and so that's a big part of it.

1172
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Like you see a lot of especially like in Tntra,

1173
01:04:22.039 --> 01:04:24.320
<v Speaker 2>you see a lot of like black magicians using a

1174
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:27.719
<v Speaker 2>venus as kind of like a very important idea because

1175
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:31.159
<v Speaker 2>she's the great boon giver, so she can give you

1176
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:34.519
<v Speaker 2>all the material pleasures. But then who's the planetary intelligence

1177
01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:36.280
<v Speaker 2>if you want to call it that. It's a it's

1178
01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:39.519
<v Speaker 2>a male figure. His name is Shukra, and he rides

1179
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:41.280
<v Speaker 2>a white horse, and so he's like the king of

1180
01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:44.679
<v Speaker 2>the world, the great sort of pleasure king. That's even

1181
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:47.559
<v Speaker 2>how he would be described in Tontra like Pema Guelpa,

1182
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:51.840
<v Speaker 2>like a great a worldly king who sort of brings

1183
01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:55.079
<v Speaker 2>with him like all the all the luciferic pleasures and

1184
01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:59.599
<v Speaker 2>then he can be higher. But when she's here, it's

1185
01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:02.000
<v Speaker 2>like she, yeah, exactly what Nick said. There's even an

1186
01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:05.199
<v Speaker 2>icon where she's looking down at her reflection into the

1187
01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:08.400
<v Speaker 2>into the sort of ocean of gems, that's what it's called.

1188
01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:12.639
<v Speaker 2>So she sees her reflection and it's so beautiful that

1189
01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:15.679
<v Speaker 2>she falls in love with herself, and so she doesn't

1190
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.559
<v Speaker 2>want to ever leave the eternity of the fortress. Like

1191
01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the mother of the Fortress. She never wants to go

1192
01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:23.519
<v Speaker 2>because the world is really a reflection of her and

1193
01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:28.199
<v Speaker 2>she's so beautiful. But it's also beautiful and terrible. So

1194
01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:29.679
<v Speaker 2>it's the carnal ground in the garden.

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01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:32.519
<v Speaker 3>You know what, I think.

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01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:36.960
<v Speaker 4>A good way to even try to explain this, well,

1197
01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:39.199
<v Speaker 4>one way I wanted to say, like the way I'm

1198
01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:41.559
<v Speaker 4>even bringing it to an extreme, like you know you're

1199
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:45.079
<v Speaker 4>under Lucifer's control. I'm just grabbing at this, don't mean

1200
01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:47.760
<v Speaker 4>take it personal. If politics has you fucked up, that's

1201
01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:51.599
<v Speaker 4>an exact reason. That's an exact example of what I'm

1202
01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:54.119
<v Speaker 4>trying to get it. If whatever's going on out there

1203
01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:58.239
<v Speaker 4>has you fucking going crazy, that's exactly Lucifer's control. You're

1204
01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:00.440
<v Speaker 4>being mindfucked by what the news and the politicians of

1205
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:04.920
<v Speaker 4>telling you, by the TV and the screen. When it

1206
01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:08.280
<v Speaker 4>comes to I guess, like even you know, it could

1207
01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:11.280
<v Speaker 4>work both ways. I think, depending on how you're looking

1208
01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:14.280
<v Speaker 4>at it. A lot of times I have seen people

1209
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:17.960
<v Speaker 4>use that. I myself, it's not it's not common, but

1210
01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:19.599
<v Speaker 4>I know other people. I guess probably because of the

1211
01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:25.199
<v Speaker 4>limac background, Hathor would sometimes be associated with net sock

1212
01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:29.360
<v Speaker 4>and people would use Hathor, and I do think that.

1213
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:32.199
<v Speaker 3>I think most of the feminine.

1214
01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:35.159
<v Speaker 4>Spheres all kind of or connect to each other, or

1215
01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:38.440
<v Speaker 4>it's just like a different, different phase of that. And

1216
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:44.280
<v Speaker 4>with Hathor, she is associated with having a mirror. Like

1217
01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:46.679
<v Speaker 4>you just said, you said something about a reflection. She

1218
01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:49.199
<v Speaker 4>has a mirror, and she has a system and that

1219
01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:53.119
<v Speaker 4>is sound and sight. I even think if she can

1220
01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:57.800
<v Speaker 4>also be used for Benah, which I think is actually

1221
01:06:58.000 --> 01:06:59.960
<v Speaker 4>very fitting in a sense there because that's kind of

1222
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:03.599
<v Speaker 4>of like sound in sight. Really it's it's gonna be

1223
01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:06.239
<v Speaker 4>there's gonna be light, and then there's gonna be the

1224
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:09.679
<v Speaker 4>sound that comes for it before it comes into physical reality.

1225
01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:12.559
<v Speaker 4>And then if you're looking at hath Or down at

1226
01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:15.679
<v Speaker 4>the seventh sphere, that would be like putting it into form.

1227
01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:18.760
<v Speaker 4>Now still like you're still messing with sound in sight,

1228
01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:21.000
<v Speaker 4>but like now it's coming into form, it's coming into

1229
01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:23.159
<v Speaker 4>visual reality, and that's what's making you.

1230
01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:24.360
<v Speaker 3>Fall in love again?

1231
01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:26.280
<v Speaker 4>Like I even said, you know, maybe the woman's voice

1232
01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:29.239
<v Speaker 4>gets you along with the image of what she looks like.

1233
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:32.480
<v Speaker 4>All those things is what captivates you and gets you

1234
01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:34.280
<v Speaker 4>going and makes you fall in love with something.

1235
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Man.

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01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:38.400
<v Speaker 5>I interject real quickly about the half or thing because

1237
01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:40.519
<v Speaker 5>as you were talking and reminded me of how a

1238
01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:44.440
<v Speaker 5>mom might have because systems like a rattle too, So

1239
01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:46.280
<v Speaker 5>I was thinking, well, maybe it's a baby rattle and

1240
01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:49.760
<v Speaker 5>a mirror for a baby because babies are learning those

1241
01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:52.960
<v Speaker 5>very concrete fundamental things at that age, like ego, their

1242
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:58.320
<v Speaker 5>self awareness, object permanence, and they only see certain colors

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01:07:58.599 --> 01:08:01.519
<v Speaker 5>kind of like that tool song, remember black and minor

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01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:04.960
<v Speaker 5>ol see and something or other. But anyway, the colors

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01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:07.480
<v Speaker 5>come in. It's in the progression as well as we

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01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:10.400
<v Speaker 5>get older. But I have other comments to you, but

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<v Speaker 5>I just want to real quick with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good.

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<v Speaker 6>So yeah, I have a well, a couple of things here,

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01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:18.960
<v Speaker 6>I'll try to be.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 6>The first one is, uh, well, when you're guys are

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01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:28.840
<v Speaker 6>talking about this idea of netsa you know, and the

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01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:33.079
<v Speaker 6>senses and like the emotions and so on. Yes, very

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01:08:33.079 --> 01:08:39.039
<v Speaker 6>connected to emotions, There's a cool interesting thing about Venus,

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01:08:39.119 --> 01:08:42.159
<v Speaker 6>which we usually associate with itsa is that it is

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01:08:42.279 --> 01:08:46.720
<v Speaker 6>the only planet that goes retrograde by default, so it

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01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:51.960
<v Speaker 6>goes right instead of left gate from our perspective. And

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01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:54.640
<v Speaker 6>that's very interesting because then it would mean that all

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01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:58.920
<v Speaker 6>the planets are going to our rational brain or left brain,

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01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:02.039
<v Speaker 6>and Venus, so letsa, it's the only one going to

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01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:05.920
<v Speaker 6>the right. So the natural way, let's say, is we

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01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:09.840
<v Speaker 6>first have the mental image, so again the beautiful woman

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01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:12.359
<v Speaker 6>or whatever we have it, and then we try to

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01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:15.640
<v Speaker 6>rationalize it. We then to try to transform it into

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01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:19.079
<v Speaker 6>language and say, oh, yeah, I love her. Whatever Venus

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01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:23.720
<v Speaker 6>is saying. Do the opposite, get the language and make

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01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:27.159
<v Speaker 6>it into an image, you know, because when you get

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01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:31.279
<v Speaker 6>the language out and you just observe the image, then

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<v Speaker 6>you have the silence of Mitza, which is something I

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01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:38.239
<v Speaker 6>very much connect when talking about going down the tree.

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<v Speaker 6>So again, just with the example that I made, has

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01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:45.920
<v Speaker 6>said the good feelings about it, GeV, the cons the

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01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:49.279
<v Speaker 6>discipline you need on different you made sure you have

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01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:53.039
<v Speaker 6>the balance, the harmony, the beauty on NETSA. Yes, there's

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01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:56.720
<v Speaker 6>the victory. The victory is coming right that it's what excited.

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01:09:56.800 --> 01:09:59.079
<v Speaker 6>It's coming into form. It's not quite there yet, but

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01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:02.359
<v Speaker 6>it's coming. What usually people do is at that time

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01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:04.399
<v Speaker 6>when they're you know, so in love with the idea,

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01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:07.479
<v Speaker 6>the emotions are bubbling in some one, they go and

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01:10:07.720 --> 01:10:10.319
<v Speaker 6>boast about the thing everywhere. They start talking to people,

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01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:12.640
<v Speaker 6>this new project that I'm doing or that I'm going

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01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:14.960
<v Speaker 6>to do. Right, they still didn't do it because the

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01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:18.479
<v Speaker 6>right So yeah, I gotta do it, I gotta do it.

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01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:21.279
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, I'm going to this trip and one they

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01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:25.079
<v Speaker 6>start talking to people. Guess what, now, people not because

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01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:27.640
<v Speaker 6>they hate you or whatever, just because by our nature,

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01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:30.800
<v Speaker 6>they're going to project all the insecurities, all their problems,

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01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:34.479
<v Speaker 6>all their difficulties, all their their trash into your project.

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01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:38.039
<v Speaker 6>And now, guess what, most likely it won't happen in

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01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:41.840
<v Speaker 6>the best way possible because you just now made it.

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01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:44.760
<v Speaker 6>Instead of being a single project, you're not made sure

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01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:47.680
<v Speaker 6>that you know, how many, however many people you talked

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01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:50.880
<v Speaker 6>is about are also going to participate into manifesting this thing.

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01:10:51.159 --> 01:10:53.560
<v Speaker 6>So you know, if you really want the victory that

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01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:56.199
<v Speaker 6>is apparent the emotions that you're thinking about it, be

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01:10:56.359 --> 01:10:58.399
<v Speaker 6>sident about it, you know, be silent. That's what again,

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01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:01.920
<v Speaker 6>Venus is doing is going removing the language and then

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01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:04.399
<v Speaker 6>making sure the images are there, to look at the

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01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:07.039
<v Speaker 6>images and see for what they really are. Because like

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<v Speaker 6>Nick and Jin we're saying, and I completely agree, what

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01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:15.439
<v Speaker 6>we are like being awake quote unquote, is being asleep

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01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:18.359
<v Speaker 6>from the real world. So when you close your eyes,

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01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:21.960
<v Speaker 6>usually closing the eyes is easier, not you don't necessarily

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01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:24.279
<v Speaker 6>need it, but it's usually easier. But when you go

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01:11:24.399 --> 01:11:26.920
<v Speaker 6>to sleep is when you actually wake up, the other

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01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:32.399
<v Speaker 6>way around. So knowing to differentiate that, knowing which images

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01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:36.399
<v Speaker 6>are quote unquote real or not, is what's going to

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01:11:36.439 --> 01:11:39.560
<v Speaker 6>make you, you know, navigate reality better. Again not being

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01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:45.560
<v Speaker 6>not rejecting, but understanding understanding that sometimes there's a history

1311
01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:47.439
<v Speaker 6>being presented to you and it's just that it's a

1312
01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:49.680
<v Speaker 6>history you don't need to, you know, get stuck on

1313
01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:52.920
<v Speaker 6>it and so on. So another very interesting thing as well.

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01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:56.720
<v Speaker 6>And then I'll let you guys go. So when we're

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<v Speaker 6>when we have the image of Jesus on the cross, right,

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01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:03.199
<v Speaker 6>we have Jesus on the cross, we have him at

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01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:07.600
<v Speaker 6>different his two hands, at his satin gbura. Then we

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01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:10.000
<v Speaker 6>have one teeve. We have two tieves, but one of

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01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:12.880
<v Speaker 6>them in NTSA. The other will be in hot that

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01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:17.039
<v Speaker 6>Teev in NTSA is again the like Nack and Jim

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01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:20.159
<v Speaker 6>were saying, all the distractions, the emotions that are distraction

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01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:23.000
<v Speaker 6>you in one which is also very interesting because a

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01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:25.600
<v Speaker 6>lot of people, if you search for you know that

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01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:29.079
<v Speaker 6>I am affirmations these kind of things. The planet Earth

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01:12:29.159 --> 01:12:34.439
<v Speaker 6>would be usually the feeling planet. So we are many

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01:12:34.520 --> 01:12:36.479
<v Speaker 6>times we are stuck here by feeling and not by

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01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:40.159
<v Speaker 6>rational not by logic like we think we are superlargical

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01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:42.840
<v Speaker 6>on the most people are really at the feeling step,

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01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:45.800
<v Speaker 6>and let's sake stuck on that, on what they're feeling.

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01:12:46.600 --> 01:12:50.560
<v Speaker 6>And another thing about this distraction idea is that it

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01:12:50.680 --> 01:12:55.439
<v Speaker 6>could be the netsa kliffa, so distractions, you know, the

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<v Speaker 6>is I think it's like the crowds or whatever, the

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01:12:58.720 --> 01:13:00.960
<v Speaker 6>crowds would hot or something like that. But it would

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01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:03.159
<v Speaker 6>be again that when you have too much of the

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01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:08.520
<v Speaker 6>time breaks down becomes a klifa of destruction. So knowing

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01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:10.920
<v Speaker 6>how to balance as always it's always knowing how to

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01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:15.199
<v Speaker 6>balance stuff. And I think for no, for not is

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01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:16.960
<v Speaker 6>it but very very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>May I add a few comments? Sure, I really like that, Matt.

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<v Speaker 5>I think a good example of the clap of netsc

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01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:31.560
<v Speaker 5>might be the phrase resting your laurels. You were successful

1342
01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:34.239
<v Speaker 5>in the past, and so you just hang them up right.

1343
01:13:34.359 --> 01:13:39.560
<v Speaker 5>But then there's some maintenance required to stay number one

1344
01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:45.199
<v Speaker 5>right or to retain that level of proficiency. So I

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01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:47.199
<v Speaker 5>thought that was an interesting thought that crossed my mind.

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01:13:47.560 --> 01:13:50.840
<v Speaker 5>And also when you said to you know, keep things quiet,

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01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:55.159
<v Speaker 5>it reminds me of the thought of counting the cost

1348
01:13:55.479 --> 01:13:58.279
<v Speaker 5>before you begin a project, you know, making sure that

1349
01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:02.119
<v Speaker 5>you have everything set in play, because it does seem

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01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:04.560
<v Speaker 5>like the moment you speak something out, you know, the

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01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:06.880
<v Speaker 5>universe is like, hahaha, not today.

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01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:13.319
<v Speaker 1>But then Jen mentioned something earlier about there was a deity.

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01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:19.399
<v Speaker 5>Related to the gift gifting up boons, and his name

1354
01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:22.359
<v Speaker 5>reminded me. I think of the Arabic word for thank you,

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01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:26.079
<v Speaker 5>which is shukrauk. It was very similar to that, and

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01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:28.119
<v Speaker 5>I thought, oh, so when you receive a boon, you

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01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:31.319
<v Speaker 5>think him right. It's kind of what made me think

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01:14:31.399 --> 01:14:35.439
<v Speaker 5>of And earlier Nick was talking about the Luciferian aspects

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01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:38.640
<v Speaker 5>of you know, these things that we maybe are drawn to,

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01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:41.239
<v Speaker 5>like a bug lamp, you know. I was kind of

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01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:44.960
<v Speaker 5>thinking of how it might be these things maybe have

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01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:48.399
<v Speaker 5>the potential to steal your crown or to steal your victory.

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01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:52.000
<v Speaker 5>Maybe they're stumbling blocks to prevent you from getting to

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01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:53.680
<v Speaker 5>Ketter or.

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01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:54.319
<v Speaker 1>Something like that.

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01:14:54.520 --> 01:14:57.399
<v Speaker 5>Right like the somebody in the chat mentioned the woman

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01:14:57.479 --> 01:15:00.520
<v Speaker 5>in the red dress, and the matri would be a

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01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:06.840
<v Speaker 5>good example. A couple more brief thoughts were that you

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01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:10.199
<v Speaker 5>mentioned the relationship maybe to the rainbow. How it kind

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01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:14.159
<v Speaker 5>of restarts then, and so if we look at this

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01:15:14.319 --> 01:15:18.600
<v Speaker 5>on a yearly kind of cycle, we're moving into the blue,

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01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:21.760
<v Speaker 5>which then the red starts again with aries and springs.

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01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:25.359
<v Speaker 5>So I think naturally that pink isn't a real color,

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01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:28.359
<v Speaker 5>it's a non color. But I think it occurs between

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01:15:28.479 --> 01:15:30.920
<v Speaker 5>the two extremes of red and blue. It's like that

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01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:34.479
<v Speaker 5>in the Bardo region, you know, in between.

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01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:38.000
<v Speaker 1>But also with the.

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01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:45.479
<v Speaker 5>The victory associated with this feminine figure reminds me of

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01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:49.119
<v Speaker 5>the verse in Genesis where the prophecy is given.

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01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:50.279
<v Speaker 1>When they're at the tree.

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01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:51.279
<v Speaker 6>No less.

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01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:56.960
<v Speaker 1>That the woman's seed will crush the head of the serpent,

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01:15:57.239 --> 01:16:00.439
<v Speaker 1>but it will bruise the seed heel.

1384
01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:04.680
<v Speaker 5>And so we look at this right foot crushing the

1385
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:07.520
<v Speaker 5>head of the surcitus, maybe being the netsack element the

1386
01:16:07.640 --> 01:16:11.159
<v Speaker 5>right pillar. But instead of the arm being the leg

1387
01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:15.359
<v Speaker 5>instead right, and so we got the pisces at the feet,

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01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:19.479
<v Speaker 5>So we got a fishy type element here. And so

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01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:22.079
<v Speaker 5>I can't help but think of some of the references

1390
01:16:22.119 --> 01:16:24.239
<v Speaker 5>we see sometimes to like the bottom half of the

1391
01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:28.479
<v Speaker 5>person being fish legs or tentacles or something like that.

1392
01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:32.199
<v Speaker 5>So you could almost imagine this verse seeing like a

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01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:37.600
<v Speaker 5>Melusine Starbucks figure kind of doing the same thing. And

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01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:40.399
<v Speaker 5>then the one final thought I had was in the

1395
01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:44.640
<v Speaker 5>Sumerian context, a way they kind of expressed Netsac I

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01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:48.560
<v Speaker 5>think was speaking the end of something at the beginning.

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01:16:49.079 --> 01:16:51.239
<v Speaker 5>So it kind of relates to what we were just

1398
01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:54.760
<v Speaker 5>talking about a moment ago, Matt, Like, these deities would

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01:16:54.920 --> 01:16:55.840
<v Speaker 5>proclaim what they.

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01:16:55.760 --> 01:16:58.079
<v Speaker 1>Were going to do, and it's like, just try and

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01:16:58.159 --> 01:17:01.199
<v Speaker 1>stop me, universe, not only to say what I'm gonna do,

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01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:02.399
<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna say that it's an end.

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01:17:02.840 --> 01:17:06.680
<v Speaker 5>And so that's like a big stamp of authority, you know,

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01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:10.039
<v Speaker 5>but to a level that we can't seem to maybe

1405
01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:13.319
<v Speaker 5>appreciate as much. But that's something that these deities would

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01:17:13.399 --> 01:17:15.800
<v Speaker 5>do on occasion, would be like to declare the ending

1407
01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:20.800
<v Speaker 5>at the beginning, which is what exactly this prophecy from

1408
01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:23.600
<v Speaker 5>Genesis is kind of referring to it's something that's declaring

1409
01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:23.800
<v Speaker 5>like the.

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01:17:23.880 --> 01:17:25.720
<v Speaker 1>End at the beginning. So thank you for letting me

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01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:26.239
<v Speaker 1>weave on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just jump off something Joshua just said about, Oh,

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01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:39.079
<v Speaker 2>the Sukra, So Shukra used to give the boon of immortality.

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01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:41.479
<v Speaker 2>That used to be like the quality of Venus was

1415
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:44.239
<v Speaker 2>to give the power of immortality, and so everybody would

1416
01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:48.680
<v Speaker 2>pray to Venus the planetary intelligence Sukra or the boon

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01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:51.560
<v Speaker 2>of immortality, so you would never die because it is

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01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:54.560
<v Speaker 2>eternity in and of itself, right, So, and then the

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01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:57.000
<v Speaker 2>other gods were like, you can't do this because you're

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01:17:57.039 --> 01:18:00.479
<v Speaker 2>disrupting like the karmac cycles. I'm Sora, and this is

1421
01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:03.800
<v Speaker 2>like important for like the purification of the cell or

1422
01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:07.359
<v Speaker 2>whatever that is. And so yeah, I agree with you.

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01:18:07.479 --> 01:18:10.880
<v Speaker 2>There's something and Venus moves counterclockwise. Someone in the chat

1424
01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:14.319
<v Speaker 2>mentioned this, and then Matt responded to them, and like,

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01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:16.439
<v Speaker 2>the one thing I disagree with what they said is

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01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:19.199
<v Speaker 2>that they said that Uranus is closer to Hopema. I

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01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:21.760
<v Speaker 2>don't disagree in some you guys and some AONs that

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01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:24.760
<v Speaker 2>that is true. I personally think that Uranus was closest

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01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:27.960
<v Speaker 2>to cather in this aon. That's just my perspective, but

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01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:30.560
<v Speaker 2>that is more how I see it. And Uranus is

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01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:36.880
<v Speaker 2>really interestingly pink and turquoise when they show it. I'm

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01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:39.640
<v Speaker 2>not saying it is. I'm saying that when it appears

1433
01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:42.880
<v Speaker 2>from NASA or whatever, the Space Stagency, they show it

1434
01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:46.079
<v Speaker 2>as having a high quality of pink or a pink

1435
01:18:46.239 --> 01:18:48.640
<v Speaker 2>ray at least in it. So I think that that

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01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:51.880
<v Speaker 2>can also you can also say that that's an allegory

1437
01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:55.600
<v Speaker 2>to maybe something that they understand or that we should understand,

1438
01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:58.720
<v Speaker 2>or or something that you see, because I if you've

1439
01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:01.640
<v Speaker 2>had sephardic experiences, these are things that you actually can see.

1440
01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:07.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying the planets themselves, but ideas colors of course, densities,

1441
01:19:07.600 --> 01:19:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Like when you look at planetary densities like they are

1442
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:14.319
<v Speaker 2>a sphere, they're often like they'll say, like gas, liquid ice.

1443
01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:16.840
<v Speaker 2>So it's all the alchemical transmutations, right, So there's a

1444
01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:19.600
<v Speaker 2>lot of alchemy in what a planet is, and it's

1445
01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:23.720
<v Speaker 2>an aggregation, it's all together, it's formed into a full density.

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01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:26.960
<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot you can actually understand from like

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01:19:27.079 --> 01:19:32.399
<v Speaker 2>looking at that those ideas of the planets. But I

1448
01:19:32.680 --> 01:19:35.640
<v Speaker 2>so I'm just saying it's more like Heather. But I

1449
01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:37.760
<v Speaker 2>have to agree with what Matt said. He said it

1450
01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:42.560
<v Speaker 2>we rotate. It's not against everything. That's the there's certain

1451
01:19:42.640 --> 01:19:46.159
<v Speaker 2>ideas of the Uranian thinking and psych has to be

1452
01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:50.439
<v Speaker 2>sort of contraindicatory to everything that came before. Its complete reversal,

1453
01:19:50.479 --> 01:19:53.359
<v Speaker 2>a complete transgression. But actually, like what Matt said, it's

1454
01:19:53.439 --> 01:19:56.800
<v Speaker 2>very subtle. It's actually not it's actually breaking up the

1455
01:19:56.960 --> 01:20:01.159
<v Speaker 2>things that came before breaking up. That doesn't mean that

1456
01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:03.880
<v Speaker 2>it's a total disruption of the past, but you're kind

1457
01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:07.640
<v Speaker 2>of throwing everything into back into flux. You're saying, actually,

1458
01:20:07.720 --> 01:20:10.680
<v Speaker 2>we can rethink of these things and remake of the ideas.

1459
01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:13.800
<v Speaker 2>We don't have to stay stuck in those Saturnian sort

1460
01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:16.359
<v Speaker 2>of like I am God, I am myself, not that saturn.

1461
01:20:16.399 --> 01:20:18.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like that, but people tend to think of it

1462
01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:21.199
<v Speaker 2>like that. It's really more of a solar thing, or

1463
01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:24.439
<v Speaker 2>the more tifferatic thing to sort of like relate yourself

1464
01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:27.359
<v Speaker 2>as the king of the whole world. But obviously there's

1465
01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:30.520
<v Speaker 2>a tiffer It connects to all of them, so that's

1466
01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:32.960
<v Speaker 2>also really important, right, And tiferate is also the crossing

1467
01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:36.880
<v Speaker 2>point for netsoc to have those to have a relationship

1468
01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:41.399
<v Speaker 2>with Bena. So right, so it's like a that's also

1469
01:20:41.479 --> 01:20:44.840
<v Speaker 2>in nexus for those like two things to interact. So

1470
01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:48.000
<v Speaker 2>of course, like a king must have his castle, his

1471
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:52.520
<v Speaker 2>fortress and he and to have it stands Like I say,

1472
01:20:52.520 --> 01:20:54.479
<v Speaker 2>if he wanted to stand like your kingdom should stand

1473
01:20:54.479 --> 01:20:57.560
<v Speaker 2>a thousand years, So that would be a quality of

1474
01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:00.600
<v Speaker 2>netsalc as well. But then the king him self might

1475
01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:03.279
<v Speaker 2>not be at nuts doctor king might himself be at

1476
01:21:03.359 --> 01:21:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Tiffert or higher. So just some ideas I have iconography,

1477
01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:12.520
<v Speaker 2>but I don't want to you know, disrupt people's flow.

1478
01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:14.079
<v Speaker 2>I just want to say that from Joshua.

1479
01:21:15.199 --> 01:21:18.439
<v Speaker 6>One thing that I reminded as well. I think Joshua

1480
01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:21.399
<v Speaker 6>brought up the idea of you know, speaking when we

1481
01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:23.960
<v Speaker 6>were talking about different about saying like oh you're you

1482
01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:26.680
<v Speaker 6>look beautiful and so on. So this kind of what

1483
01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:32.399
<v Speaker 6>you're saying kind of shows from which sphere you're operating through, right,

1484
01:21:33.079 --> 01:21:36.279
<v Speaker 6>And I completely agree if if you're someone which constantly

1485
01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:40.000
<v Speaker 6>says like, oh, you know, things of love, but also

1486
01:21:40.119 --> 01:21:43.000
<v Speaker 6>of beauty, like somebody which is constantly saying, oh this

1487
01:21:43.159 --> 01:21:46.840
<v Speaker 6>is super beautiful. Oh, you're pretty and swan talking about

1488
01:21:47.119 --> 01:21:51.600
<v Speaker 6>esthetics also a little bit of ethics, because you know Tiffer,

1489
01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:53.680
<v Speaker 6>it is kind of trying to balance things out, make

1490
01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:56.840
<v Speaker 6>things right and so on. You will be talking from

1491
01:21:57.039 --> 01:22:00.680
<v Speaker 6>tiffered and then from that's not it would be more

1492
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:03.640
<v Speaker 6>about the feelings and emotions. Right, So if you are

1493
01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:07.000
<v Speaker 6>constantly talking about pay attention to this. A lot of

1494
01:22:07.039 --> 01:22:10.119
<v Speaker 6>people will say I think many times, which is more hot,

1495
01:22:10.359 --> 01:22:12.439
<v Speaker 6>And a lot of people will say I feel a

1496
01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:14.039
<v Speaker 6>lot of times, which is more in that SA, So

1497
01:22:14.359 --> 01:22:17.800
<v Speaker 6>you can attention to say, okay, they're more like this

1498
01:22:17.960 --> 01:22:22.439
<v Speaker 6>and like that, or if they always bring up emotional

1499
01:22:22.600 --> 01:22:27.119
<v Speaker 6>like relationship things and so on, again more related to

1500
01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:31.399
<v Speaker 6>working through that, which is a very interesting thing to

1501
01:22:31.479 --> 01:22:36.159
<v Speaker 6>see if you can pay attention because not only makes

1502
01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:38.039
<v Speaker 6>you be present, right because you have to pay attention,

1503
01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:40.760
<v Speaker 6>but then you see, okay, they're operating from that. That's fear.

1504
01:22:41.119 --> 01:22:41.760
<v Speaker 6>That's interesting.

1505
01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:44.960
<v Speaker 3>Matt.

1506
01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:49.079
<v Speaker 2>Are you saying something about your elder brother here, I'm saying, yes,

1507
01:22:49.479 --> 01:22:50.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

1508
01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:53.039
<v Speaker 6>I use a lot of I think for example, and

1509
01:22:53.119 --> 01:22:57.119
<v Speaker 6>then I noticed it and like I use other expences.

1510
01:22:57.239 --> 01:23:00.800
<v Speaker 6>I know, you know it other time.

1511
01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:07.199
<v Speaker 2>No, I totally agree with that. There's all there's you know,

1512
01:23:07.560 --> 01:23:10.800
<v Speaker 2>there's it's the ysotic nuts are connection. It really gets

1513
01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:14.760
<v Speaker 2>you stuck in your feelings and you know it's rough

1514
01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:16.880
<v Speaker 2>because it's like if you are like I'm a much

1515
01:23:16.960 --> 01:23:20.920
<v Speaker 2>more hod like person. We've discussed this before because Hode

1516
01:23:21.079 --> 01:23:23.079
<v Speaker 2>is part of he said, like both of them go

1517
01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:24.199
<v Speaker 2>really well together.

1518
01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:25.840
<v Speaker 3>So but there's the.

1519
01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:30.479
<v Speaker 2>Problem with that is that you're still a little under

1520
01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:33.119
<v Speaker 2>You're still not quite balanced, like you're not you're not

1521
01:23:33.279 --> 01:23:35.760
<v Speaker 2>really tifferatic. If even if you're just playing those series,

1522
01:23:35.800 --> 01:23:38.039
<v Speaker 2>even though they appear on opposite pillars, you're still not

1523
01:23:38.239 --> 01:23:42.039
<v Speaker 2>quite meeting in synthesis, you're quite actually you're quite out extremes.

1524
01:23:42.319 --> 01:23:43.880
<v Speaker 2>So you will hear me say I think a lot,

1525
01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:47.079
<v Speaker 2>so absolutely I agree with that. I'm a That is

1526
01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:50.960
<v Speaker 2>how I sort of want to articulate the world at least,

1527
01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:54.319
<v Speaker 2>which is a feeling. It's sort of a midway point

1528
01:23:54.399 --> 01:23:57.159
<v Speaker 2>to say I want it's very there's something very venus

1529
01:23:57.239 --> 01:23:59.960
<v Speaker 2>about that as well, or nuts at but I agree,

1530
01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:02.920
<v Speaker 2>and I think that it is being about conscious aware

1531
01:24:03.079 --> 01:24:06.399
<v Speaker 2>and present of like our words, and it's so interesting

1532
01:24:06.479 --> 01:24:09.239
<v Speaker 2>that space came up or like the sound at least,

1533
01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:13.680
<v Speaker 2>because sound is really capturing the five elements in space.

1534
01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Space obviously being the fifth element, but you can always

1535
01:24:17.119 --> 01:24:19.760
<v Speaker 2>say that is also the minds, and I think that

1536
01:24:19.840 --> 01:24:23.039
<v Speaker 2>that makes sense for most systems as well. So the

1537
01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:24.880
<v Speaker 2>if you don't mind, Nick, if you want to bring

1538
01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:27.359
<v Speaker 2>up one of the images, I wolves the start at

1539
01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:29.520
<v Speaker 2>the sound thing, because I think it's really interesting. So

1540
01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:32.760
<v Speaker 2>this is not the usual tontriic goddess associated with Venus.

1541
01:24:33.159 --> 01:24:34.680
<v Speaker 2>So let me just say that this is a much

1542
01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:38.760
<v Speaker 2>more I wouldn't say secret, but it's it's more of

1543
01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:42.479
<v Speaker 2>like a gin. It's like a deeper tontric understanding, we'll say.

1544
01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:45.520
<v Speaker 2>So you can see she has very nuts art colors.

1545
01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:49.119
<v Speaker 2>She has the red sorry, because the Mars always keeps

1546
01:24:49.159 --> 01:24:53.079
<v Speaker 2>his eye on Venus, right, he loves Venus so much

1547
01:24:53.239 --> 01:24:58.039
<v Speaker 2>that he keeps his like effulgent flame fixed on her.

1548
01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:02.239
<v Speaker 2>So it's really interesting because on Tuesday nights she is

1549
01:25:02.319 --> 01:25:05.279
<v Speaker 2>appreciated as well as Friday nights, so she is the

1550
01:25:05.439 --> 01:25:10.479
<v Speaker 2>evening star of both Mars and Venus. Interestingly, and her

1551
01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:14.239
<v Speaker 2>head we were talking about like being transfixed into the

1552
01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:17.399
<v Speaker 2>luciferic sort of emanation of light, well, her head is

1553
01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:22.840
<v Speaker 2>a bore, So a bore represents ignorance, so she knows

1554
01:25:22.920 --> 01:25:25.800
<v Speaker 2>what she is and she understands, and so does the

1555
01:25:26.359 --> 01:25:29.239
<v Speaker 2>at a higher level, the apasaca or the person practicing

1556
01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:33.119
<v Speaker 2>the sadna, they will also understand. She's really truly the

1557
01:25:33.159 --> 01:25:36.479
<v Speaker 2>goddess of ignorance, meaning that once you come into understanding

1558
01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:41.399
<v Speaker 2>again that nutsuck banah sort of interaction. Once that happens,

1559
01:25:41.680 --> 01:25:44.520
<v Speaker 2>you lose the sin of ignorance. The sin of ignorance

1560
01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:47.159
<v Speaker 2>is not the foundational kind of sin, but it is

1561
01:25:47.479 --> 01:25:50.279
<v Speaker 2>an important one to recognize what the world really is.

1562
01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:52.760
<v Speaker 2>And so in Tatra we would say it's the dualism

1563
01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:57.239
<v Speaker 2>of the world, viewing the world strictly material or strictly spiritual.

1564
01:25:57.760 --> 01:26:01.640
<v Speaker 2>It's not the it's not about synthesis. But then you'll

1565
01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:04.199
<v Speaker 2>notice she has the green behind her. So this is

1566
01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:07.199
<v Speaker 2>a really interesting goddess because in many ways she can

1567
01:26:07.319 --> 01:26:09.479
<v Speaker 2>be said this is not always true, but she can

1568
01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:11.840
<v Speaker 2>be said to be the emanation of all the tikinis

1569
01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:18.119
<v Speaker 2>or all the yoghinis. But she's the specific expression in sound,

1570
01:26:19.279 --> 01:26:22.960
<v Speaker 2>meaning she's not trapped in light. Because one thing about

1571
01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:27.680
<v Speaker 2>the bores squeal or scream is that it's said to

1572
01:26:27.720 --> 01:26:30.520
<v Speaker 2>be able to penetrate matter and let the sort of

1573
01:26:30.640 --> 01:26:35.199
<v Speaker 2>hidden light in it come out. So that's her power.

1574
01:26:35.880 --> 01:26:40.039
<v Speaker 2>This is called voxcity. It's the very powerful accomplished sound.

1575
01:26:40.720 --> 01:26:44.560
<v Speaker 2>So it's all the five elements disaggregated and then projected

1576
01:26:44.640 --> 01:26:50.000
<v Speaker 2>back down into space. Sorry, that's all I had for

1577
01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:51.800
<v Speaker 2>that one, Nick, but if you want to do the

1578
01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:57.159
<v Speaker 2>other two, we can. So this goes along with exactly

1579
01:26:57.159 --> 01:26:59.159
<v Speaker 2>what Nick said. So this is actually the same goddess,

1580
01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:02.640
<v Speaker 2>I know, really interesting, right, she's sitting on the lion

1581
01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:05.319
<v Speaker 2>or the dais, it can be both in the other image,

1582
01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:08.399
<v Speaker 2>but in this one she's the dancing girl. But she's

1583
01:27:08.439 --> 01:27:11.159
<v Speaker 2>not the dancing girl. She's the boreheaded mother, so she

1584
01:27:11.319 --> 01:27:14.119
<v Speaker 2>is a mother, so it's very specific. So it is

1585
01:27:14.279 --> 01:27:17.920
<v Speaker 2>interesting because this is her when she's able to climb

1586
01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:19.319
<v Speaker 2>through the tree if you want to call it that,

1587
01:27:19.479 --> 01:27:22.319
<v Speaker 2>like the boar who climbs through matter, the light who

1588
01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:26.840
<v Speaker 2>perceives and penetrates all matter with sound, so you can

1589
01:27:26.920 --> 01:27:29.600
<v Speaker 2>see it's like and she's always associated with the downward

1590
01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:35.399
<v Speaker 2>pointed pentacle because it's like the light coming down into matter,

1591
01:27:36.239 --> 01:27:38.600
<v Speaker 2>or you could even say it's the water of Hesed

1592
01:27:38.680 --> 01:27:43.000
<v Speaker 2>coming down into ice because Sukra obviously is his planetary

1593
01:27:43.119 --> 01:27:46.880
<v Speaker 2>stone is a diamond. So that's one thing. Even Nick

1594
01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:49.239
<v Speaker 2>said that like there's an element of venus or nuts

1595
01:27:49.279 --> 01:27:53.720
<v Speaker 2>all that represents all the colors. It's very prismatic. And

1596
01:27:54.840 --> 01:27:57.479
<v Speaker 2>Shukra's color is actually even considered to be gold, but

1597
01:27:57.600 --> 01:28:01.920
<v Speaker 2>it's not true gold. It's kind of like the material gold,

1598
01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:04.680
<v Speaker 2>which is they often warn't about in alchemy text, like

1599
01:28:04.720 --> 01:28:07.840
<v Speaker 2>you don't get transfixed on material gold. The whole point

1600
01:28:07.960 --> 01:28:11.640
<v Speaker 2>is spiritual gold. So that's another interesting thing because she's

1601
01:28:11.680 --> 01:28:14.159
<v Speaker 2>depicted as red, and if you understand red and a

1602
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:20.239
<v Speaker 2>tontric color scheme, red is actually post gunossek, which means

1603
01:28:20.279 --> 01:28:24.800
<v Speaker 2>it's post quality, so it's actually transcended the golden level.

1604
01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:28.359
<v Speaker 2>It's like what they would call like the robido, but

1605
01:28:28.439 --> 01:28:32.439
<v Speaker 2>the robido is like primary because it's really not robido.

1606
01:28:32.560 --> 01:28:34.680
<v Speaker 2>It's really the sort of you can say it's a

1607
01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:37.760
<v Speaker 2>life blood, like very Venetian like there's a like kind

1608
01:28:37.840 --> 01:28:41.359
<v Speaker 2>of the life blood coming into coming up into higher form.

1609
01:28:44.560 --> 01:28:47.760
<v Speaker 3>Thank you, I'm thinking of robido as you were saying that.

1610
01:28:51.640 --> 01:28:54.640
<v Speaker 2>So this is again to go along with what everybody said.

1611
01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:57.760
<v Speaker 2>It's like the this is obviously it is a ton

1612
01:28:57.800 --> 01:28:59.760
<v Speaker 2>tric depiction. And you can even see she's holding a

1613
01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:02.960
<v Speaker 2>bout and arrow again meaning the eclipse, again referring to

1614
01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:08.239
<v Speaker 2>the dragon whose head begins at nuts sock, so she

1615
01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:10.960
<v Speaker 2>actually can clear nuts sock, and so did the Also

1616
01:29:11.079 --> 01:29:14.600
<v Speaker 2>the goddess with the boar's head can also clear rawho

1617
01:29:14.680 --> 01:29:18.880
<v Speaker 2>excuse me, rawho, not mas rawho, but this one has.

1618
01:29:19.119 --> 01:29:21.199
<v Speaker 2>She is considered to be the mother of the Fortress.

1619
01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Not even is what her name means, Chandy, it means

1620
01:29:24.680 --> 01:29:28.199
<v Speaker 2>a durga excuse mega, means the fortress. So just almost

1621
01:29:28.279 --> 01:29:31.359
<v Speaker 2>so identical the nuts SoC and you can see she's

1622
01:29:31.399 --> 01:29:35.760
<v Speaker 2>the emanation in light of these uh. I think there

1623
01:29:35.800 --> 01:29:40.800
<v Speaker 2>are ten images, yes, ten ten goddesses in this image

1624
01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:44.720
<v Speaker 2>that are emanations of time and space, but light taking

1625
01:29:44.960 --> 01:29:47.119
<v Speaker 2>form in time and space, so that's kind of how

1626
01:29:47.199 --> 01:29:50.039
<v Speaker 2>you can think of it. So they're all her, but

1627
01:29:50.199 --> 01:29:52.920
<v Speaker 2>she's not even really her, whereas the other one with

1628
01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:55.479
<v Speaker 2>the boar's head she knows who she is. She's like

1629
01:29:55.600 --> 01:29:58.880
<v Speaker 2>in the fullness of her wisdom. She's a composite wisdom.

1630
01:29:59.279 --> 01:30:01.840
<v Speaker 2>It's not in her fullness, it's still her in the

1631
01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:05.840
<v Speaker 2>material world. So there are these kinds of gnostic and

1632
01:30:05.920 --> 01:30:08.279
<v Speaker 2>crypto gnostic, if you want to call that ideas For

1633
01:30:08.319 --> 01:30:12.439
<v Speaker 2>people who are interested in more Western ideas of narcissism, yes,

1634
01:30:13.239 --> 01:30:18.079
<v Speaker 2>definitely the Central Asian religions Tantra, Buddhism, even as some

1635
01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:24.079
<v Speaker 2>kinds of Hinduism, Jainism, Daoism, there are very gnostic ideas.

1636
01:30:25.159 --> 01:30:27.720
<v Speaker 2>It just depends on your flavor, like are you antibody

1637
01:30:27.800 --> 01:30:31.840
<v Speaker 2>nacissism or are you like more in the middle, more toperatic.

1638
01:30:32.000 --> 01:30:35.159
<v Speaker 2>So I think that's also what this image is saying, like, yes,

1639
01:30:35.239 --> 01:30:37.920
<v Speaker 2>she has a illuminant quality saying that, yes, if you

1640
01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:40.479
<v Speaker 2>understand the deeper contrack layer, you actually can go higher,

1641
01:30:40.800 --> 01:30:44.279
<v Speaker 2>you can actually disaggregate. But if you're just a normy person,

1642
01:30:44.399 --> 01:30:48.199
<v Speaker 2>maybe you just worship the primary one. And then for

1643
01:30:48.319 --> 01:30:51.079
<v Speaker 2>some people that's going to be where they go. They

1644
01:30:51.159 --> 01:30:53.920
<v Speaker 2>cannot they're not able to sort of go higher. And

1645
01:30:54.039 --> 01:30:57.079
<v Speaker 2>that's okay and sort of something I've had to reconcile

1646
01:30:57.479 --> 01:31:02.199
<v Speaker 2>when speaking to other people about these more metaphysical topics

1647
01:31:02.279 --> 01:31:05.880
<v Speaker 2>is that not everybody's gonna fully understand what you're saying

1648
01:31:05.960 --> 01:31:08.159
<v Speaker 2>and what you mean, so you have to relay it

1649
01:31:08.239 --> 01:31:11.079
<v Speaker 2>in a way that's not a basal but is base

1650
01:31:11.279 --> 01:31:13.720
<v Speaker 2>enough that they can actually gain a seed, and even

1651
01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:16.600
<v Speaker 2>if they don't, they can sort of take of them

1652
01:31:16.840 --> 01:31:19.359
<v Speaker 2>and the idea and be like, Okay, this is something

1653
01:31:19.399 --> 01:31:22.640
<v Speaker 2>that I can do to sort of remedy both astrological

1654
01:31:22.760 --> 01:31:24.439
<v Speaker 2>and perhaps personal affliction.

1655
01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:34.560
<v Speaker 6>You sir, something I can bring up here, as you say,

1656
01:31:35.159 --> 01:31:39.960
<v Speaker 6>And I got reminded. So there's a lot of Well,

1657
01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:42.000
<v Speaker 6>first of all, you can be initiated into any of

1658
01:31:42.039 --> 01:31:45.720
<v Speaker 6>the planets, right, but usually it seems like then Zenus

1659
01:31:46.039 --> 01:31:49.079
<v Speaker 6>is a pretty popular one. Let's say you have like

1660
01:31:49.279 --> 01:31:53.279
<v Speaker 6>or fake initiations you have in Egypt, you have a

1661
01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:56.840
<v Speaker 6>lot of delusion initiations, and so and so on. But

1662
01:31:57.319 --> 01:32:02.000
<v Speaker 6>what then I got reminded is the idea that when

1663
01:32:02.079 --> 01:32:04.239
<v Speaker 6>people say the morning star, right, like even Nick was

1664
01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:06.920
<v Speaker 6>talking about a lucer, and then I just reminded me

1665
01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:09.319
<v Speaker 6>as well. So people say, oh, the morning star, and

1666
01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:11.479
<v Speaker 6>then most people, because they read in a book or

1667
01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:14.680
<v Speaker 6>they read somewhere, they'll say, oh, it's it's Venus. Oh yeah,

1668
01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:18.920
<v Speaker 6>but think about it, are what is the star of

1669
01:32:19.079 --> 01:32:22.039
<v Speaker 6>the morning, what makes the day be the day? The

1670
01:32:22.199 --> 01:32:25.680
<v Speaker 6>brightest star that we can see, it's literally the sun.

1671
01:32:26.359 --> 01:32:28.520
<v Speaker 6>It's different. It is a star First of all, it's

1672
01:32:28.520 --> 01:32:30.640
<v Speaker 6>not a planet, and it is the price. It is

1673
01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:34.199
<v Speaker 6>the one that illuminates everything. Sure, if you go see Wikipedia,

1674
01:32:34.239 --> 01:32:36.520
<v Speaker 6>they're going to say, oh, yeah, but because you saw

1675
01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:39.439
<v Speaker 6>it and so on, it's whatever. First of all, Wikipedia

1676
01:32:39.520 --> 01:32:45.560
<v Speaker 6>is not an initiation like documentation or whatever. It's just

1677
01:32:46.039 --> 01:32:48.680
<v Speaker 6>whatever people write there, right, But if you think about

1678
01:32:48.680 --> 01:32:51.560
<v Speaker 6>it this way, then again connects with this idea that

1679
01:32:52.000 --> 01:32:55.239
<v Speaker 6>it's not that they can be interchanged, but they have

1680
01:32:55.399 --> 01:32:59.119
<v Speaker 6>a pretty good relationship, the Sun and Venus. So again

1681
01:32:59.239 --> 01:33:02.439
<v Speaker 6>different and netsa all these correlations that we're talking about

1682
01:33:02.479 --> 01:33:05.880
<v Speaker 6>the colors, how some people will sometimes change one with

1683
01:33:06.039 --> 01:33:09.840
<v Speaker 6>the other, or how in Tiffer that we are talking

1684
01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:14.359
<v Speaker 6>about the beauty, but then inn'sa were also talking about Venus,

1685
01:33:14.560 --> 01:33:17.000
<v Speaker 6>which is also kind of beauty, like Hephrodye, these kind

1686
01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:20.359
<v Speaker 6>of things. So there's this kind of mix and match

1687
01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:23.600
<v Speaker 6>between the two, which is well, not that crazy if

1688
01:33:23.640 --> 01:33:25.439
<v Speaker 6>you think about it. All the spheres kind of contain

1689
01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:28.159
<v Speaker 6>the whole three inside of them, and so one and

1690
01:33:28.520 --> 01:33:32.920
<v Speaker 6>Tiffer than Venus are quite close. So that's a very

1691
01:33:33.199 --> 01:33:37.159
<v Speaker 6>interesting thing to pay attention as well. And one last thing,

1692
01:33:37.680 --> 01:33:41.079
<v Speaker 6>the path we're going to get into the next time,

1693
01:33:41.119 --> 01:33:43.720
<v Speaker 6>which is hot. But the path between it'sa and hot,

1694
01:33:44.319 --> 01:33:47.199
<v Speaker 6>at least in the way that I use is it

1695
01:33:47.279 --> 01:33:52.119
<v Speaker 6>would be the star, which, again they're interesting. The Venusian

1696
01:33:52.239 --> 01:33:57.399
<v Speaker 6>initiation would be understanding your start, like what would make

1697
01:33:57.640 --> 01:34:01.920
<v Speaker 6>you become a star. The Greek stories, zoos would create

1698
01:34:02.039 --> 01:34:05.600
<v Speaker 6>stars and constellations for the worthy, right, so for for

1699
01:34:05.760 --> 01:34:08.239
<v Speaker 6>an animal or for a hero, like you have a

1700
01:34:08.279 --> 01:34:12.359
<v Speaker 6>lot of constellations about you know, al Debaran and Bursles

1701
01:34:12.439 --> 01:34:16.359
<v Speaker 6>and whatever, because those guys were worthy of becoming a star, right,

1702
01:34:16.680 --> 01:34:20.159
<v Speaker 6>So what makes you then worthy of becoming one? What

1703
01:34:20.359 --> 01:34:24.720
<v Speaker 6>is your the same quote unquote purpose here. That's the

1704
01:34:25.359 --> 01:34:29.439
<v Speaker 6>one of the true Venusian initiations, which is something to

1705
01:34:29.880 --> 01:34:31.319
<v Speaker 6>you know, to ponder, to think about.

1706
01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:37.800
<v Speaker 2>I think that was so interesting, everything that you said,

1707
01:34:37.840 --> 01:34:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Matt and I had a point, but now I've forgotten it.

1708
01:34:40.119 --> 01:34:43.880
<v Speaker 2>But the yeah, the relationship between Tifferent and Natsaka is

1709
01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:46.600
<v Speaker 2>extremely important. And you can even say, and we talked

1710
01:34:46.600 --> 01:34:48.880
<v Speaker 2>about this with Mario on the episode. I don't know

1711
01:34:48.920 --> 01:34:53.119
<v Speaker 2>if Joshuasara, I can't remember. I'm sorry, josh but the

1712
01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:56.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you have spoken to Mario about this yourself.

1713
01:34:56.399 --> 01:34:59.800
<v Speaker 2>But there's an element of Venus where at the mid

1714
01:35:00.039 --> 01:35:03.960
<v Speaker 2>point of the day at noon. Hey, Sarah, one of

1715
01:35:04.039 --> 01:35:08.720
<v Speaker 2>my favorite people. Venus appears at the apex at noon.

1716
01:35:09.079 --> 01:35:10.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of the demarcation. This is just a

1717
01:35:11.079 --> 01:35:14.000
<v Speaker 2>vidic idea of vitic astrology idea, but it is interesting

1718
01:35:14.279 --> 01:35:17.840
<v Speaker 2>that it kind of demarcates that sort of again, that

1719
01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:20.880
<v Speaker 2>sort of you know, the way the cycle works, because

1720
01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:24.079
<v Speaker 2>it's very much tied into seasonality. Oh, this is what

1721
01:35:24.199 --> 01:35:26.359
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say. So you were talking about beauty, Matt,

1722
01:35:26.439 --> 01:35:28.960
<v Speaker 2>So this is how I've always distinguished them. And this

1723
01:35:29.079 --> 01:35:31.680
<v Speaker 2>might not be everybody's flavor, but I think I think

1724
01:35:31.720 --> 01:35:33.960
<v Speaker 2>it's I can make a strong case for it. Is

1725
01:35:34.319 --> 01:35:38.600
<v Speaker 2>that the beauty at Netsalk is natural beauty. So it's

1726
01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:41.239
<v Speaker 2>the beauty of the gardens, beauty of the natural world

1727
01:35:41.359 --> 01:35:44.359
<v Speaker 2>as it is, and the beauty at Tiffer it is

1728
01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:48.319
<v Speaker 2>actually the synthetic beauty, not necessarily negative. I know people

1729
01:35:48.359 --> 01:35:51.199
<v Speaker 2>have very negative ideas of that word, but this is

1730
01:35:51.319 --> 01:35:55.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm just talking about, like I'm trying art and architecture

1731
01:35:55.439 --> 01:35:58.760
<v Speaker 2>and the higher order thinking. Now, those things, of course

1732
01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:03.159
<v Speaker 2>can become clipothic, can become institutionally decayed. They're subject to

1733
01:36:03.199 --> 01:36:06.800
<v Speaker 2>the same forces that we are. So beauty is subject

1734
01:36:06.800 --> 01:36:10.840
<v Speaker 2>to the same forces that we are of time. But yeah,

1735
01:36:11.159 --> 01:36:14.399
<v Speaker 2>it's also a really important suffer for higher creation. It

1736
01:36:14.520 --> 01:36:16.760
<v Speaker 2>can be if you do if you do it on

1737
01:36:17.000 --> 01:36:19.600
<v Speaker 2>like more of a mass civilizational scale, it's not so

1738
01:36:19.760 --> 01:36:23.439
<v Speaker 2>much the independent artist. It can be, but there's an

1739
01:36:23.479 --> 01:36:26.640
<v Speaker 2>element of it that's much more rooted in kind of

1740
01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:31.880
<v Speaker 2>the world of man. That kind of beauty. It's high beauty.

1741
01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:33.760
<v Speaker 2>But it's like if you go to the Louver, that's

1742
01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:36.239
<v Speaker 2>very you know, I know that's not the only one.

1743
01:36:36.239 --> 01:36:38.520
<v Speaker 2>And I know Matt just visited the Tower of Pisa

1744
01:36:39.119 --> 01:36:41.039
<v Speaker 2>and he didn't find it. I don't want to speak

1745
01:36:41.039 --> 01:36:43.279
<v Speaker 2>for him, but he didn't find it very He was underwhelmed,

1746
01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:46.760
<v Speaker 2>we'll say. And that's but that's also like an element

1747
01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:50.680
<v Speaker 2>like people project their ideas of what beauty is, what

1748
01:36:50.880 --> 01:36:56.079
<v Speaker 2>higher order thinking is, and so through sort of time,

1749
01:36:56.199 --> 01:36:59.159
<v Speaker 2>I guess, is that we look at those things and

1750
01:36:59.239 --> 01:37:02.239
<v Speaker 2>we say, actually, not that impressive, Actually I can build

1751
01:37:02.279 --> 01:37:06.520
<v Speaker 2>something better, or actually my ideas are actually maybe let's

1752
01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:09.600
<v Speaker 2>trust them, let's prove them in the world, rather than

1753
01:37:09.840 --> 01:37:11.640
<v Speaker 2>say like, oh, we need to be fixed, like the

1754
01:37:11.720 --> 01:37:14.039
<v Speaker 2>Tower of Pisa, is it, like that's it like that's

1755
01:37:14.119 --> 01:37:16.960
<v Speaker 2>the you know, seventh wonder of the Western world, and

1756
01:37:17.720 --> 01:37:19.920
<v Speaker 2>that's as high as we can go. But I don't

1757
01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:21.640
<v Speaker 2>personally believe that. I don't think that believes either. I

1758
01:37:21.680 --> 01:37:22.520
<v Speaker 2>don't think any of us do.

1759
01:37:26.039 --> 01:37:28.279
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the piece of tower is very overrated, to be honest,

1760
01:37:28.640 --> 01:37:31.039
<v Speaker 6>just full of course, what.

1761
01:37:34.600 --> 01:37:37.039
<v Speaker 3>Uh was there anything else that any of whose wanted

1762
01:37:37.039 --> 01:37:42.720
<v Speaker 3>to add? Netswick? There's a lot actually.

1763
01:37:47.399 --> 01:37:50.680
<v Speaker 5>I would just add that, like, you know, victory in

1764
01:37:51.000 --> 01:37:53.239
<v Speaker 5>all of its different forms, you know, whether it's the

1765
01:37:53.319 --> 01:37:57.119
<v Speaker 5>three people standing at the victory podium, bronze, silver, gold,

1766
01:37:58.399 --> 01:38:01.880
<v Speaker 5>the Nike emblem, you know, all that stuff kind of

1767
01:38:01.920 --> 01:38:03.479
<v Speaker 5>makes you think of victory, you know.

1768
01:38:03.600 --> 01:38:03.920
<v Speaker 6>And so.

1769
01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:08.119
<v Speaker 5>Just kind of wanted a reference earlier when I said

1770
01:38:08.199 --> 01:38:11.000
<v Speaker 5>rest your laurels. You know, they would give the victors

1771
01:38:11.199 --> 01:38:15.399
<v Speaker 5>a crown of laurels. And in the Bible there's distinctions

1772
01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:20.399
<v Speaker 5>made between a victor's crown who wins the race, as

1773
01:38:20.439 --> 01:38:22.800
<v Speaker 5>it's referred to a lot of times, your labor in

1774
01:38:22.840 --> 01:38:26.119
<v Speaker 5>the world. Then there's also the crown of authority, you know,

1775
01:38:26.279 --> 01:38:31.039
<v Speaker 5>So there's Roman crowns of different types too that are

1776
01:38:31.119 --> 01:38:33.479
<v Speaker 5>kind of given depending on you know, what the.

1777
01:38:35.640 --> 01:38:36.439
<v Speaker 1>Distinction was.

1778
01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:38.439
<v Speaker 5>But I just wanted to mention that victory is kind

1779
01:38:38.439 --> 01:38:42.560
<v Speaker 5>of a nuanced term and the crown often gives you

1780
01:38:42.680 --> 01:38:44.520
<v Speaker 5>a reference to what the victory is.

1781
01:38:49.960 --> 01:38:51.960
<v Speaker 2>That was great, Josh, I have to say, just because

1782
01:38:51.960 --> 01:38:54.840
<v Speaker 2>it's like, yeah, there can be victory at Nutsock, Like

1783
01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:57.119
<v Speaker 2>obviously that is part of one of the meanings of

1784
01:38:57.159 --> 01:39:01.439
<v Speaker 2>that word. So it absolutely like the crown can be

1785
01:39:01.560 --> 01:39:04.960
<v Speaker 2>reflected in nets SoC just like netsalc can be described

1786
01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:07.039
<v Speaker 2>as an ocean of gems if you want to call

1787
01:39:07.159 --> 01:39:11.359
<v Speaker 2>that from tantric nostrology. But it is it the actual crown,

1788
01:39:11.479 --> 01:39:14.600
<v Speaker 2>while in higher tantre you would say that the crown

1789
01:39:14.720 --> 01:39:20.000
<v Speaker 2>is adamantine or like mirror like it's crystalline almost it

1790
01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:24.279
<v Speaker 2>actually it reflects ultimate reality, which is empty and the

1791
01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:27.319
<v Speaker 2>crown that would appear at Venus or nets Sock. It's

1792
01:39:27.439 --> 01:39:30.520
<v Speaker 2>like the queen of the world, but it's not. It's

1793
01:39:30.600 --> 01:39:33.479
<v Speaker 2>not inherently the queen of the higher order. It's just

1794
01:39:33.960 --> 01:39:37.159
<v Speaker 2>she's very worldly, but she doesn't necessarily think of herself

1795
01:39:37.199 --> 01:39:40.039
<v Speaker 2>as worldly, like she's not. You know, she has the choice.

1796
01:39:40.079 --> 01:39:42.439
<v Speaker 2>She can be the great Queen Mother, or she can

1797
01:39:42.520 --> 01:39:45.720
<v Speaker 2>be the you know, the evil crimson woman or the

1798
01:39:45.800 --> 01:39:46.479
<v Speaker 2>scarlet woman.

1799
01:39:49.119 --> 01:39:52.279
<v Speaker 6>One interesting thing since we're talking about the victory. Victory

1800
01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:55.800
<v Speaker 6>if you take the seventh are kind of which could

1801
01:39:55.880 --> 01:39:58.960
<v Speaker 6>be the car depending on how you do it. It

1802
01:39:59.079 --> 01:40:02.960
<v Speaker 6>also talks about victory and triumph, and it is the seventh.

1803
01:40:03.359 --> 01:40:06.239
<v Speaker 6>So again, let's how being the seventh seventh are kind

1804
01:40:06.279 --> 01:40:08.079
<v Speaker 6>of being the victory. So you kind of have this

1805
01:40:10.039 --> 01:40:11.760
<v Speaker 6>to wait there talking about the same thing.

1806
01:40:13.960 --> 01:40:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, since you brought up numbers, I'll just add really

1807
01:40:16.239 --> 01:40:21.119
<v Speaker 2>quickly that the goddess who is associated with Netsoc or Venus,

1808
01:40:21.640 --> 01:40:24.039
<v Speaker 2>not the two I showed actually, but the Maha Lakshmi

1809
01:40:24.279 --> 01:40:28.039
<v Speaker 2>or Kamalatmika, so the golden lotus or the gilded Lotus.

1810
01:40:28.680 --> 01:40:31.760
<v Speaker 2>He is actually number ten in the tntras. So it

1811
01:40:31.920 --> 01:40:35.399
<v Speaker 2>kind of is interesting because it doesn't contradict the seventh. Right,

1812
01:40:35.560 --> 01:40:38.520
<v Speaker 2>there's something really interesting about that doesn't contradict at all.

1813
01:40:38.880 --> 01:40:41.319
<v Speaker 2>It's actually maybe you could say that tntras follows where

1814
01:40:41.319 --> 01:40:44.079
<v Speaker 2>the light falls and then that's their kind of like

1815
01:40:44.239 --> 01:40:48.880
<v Speaker 2>ten and one point, whereas the Jewis Kabbalis prefer like

1816
01:40:49.039 --> 01:40:52.039
<v Speaker 2>the Malkouth, like the man, like where the light falls

1817
01:40:52.079 --> 01:40:55.439
<v Speaker 2>inside of us, but Tantra is more interested in like

1818
01:40:55.560 --> 01:40:58.239
<v Speaker 2>what maya is or what the illusion is, so that's

1819
01:40:58.279 --> 01:41:00.960
<v Speaker 2>why they place her in that sort of way. But

1820
01:41:01.039 --> 01:41:03.800
<v Speaker 2>then it also makes sense to be the seven because

1821
01:41:04.119 --> 01:41:07.399
<v Speaker 2>as we've talked about many times, like there are the

1822
01:41:07.800 --> 01:41:10.680
<v Speaker 2>sets of star goddesses which always number seven, eight or nine.

1823
01:41:11.760 --> 01:41:14.319
<v Speaker 2>So you see this like replicated over and over and

1824
01:41:14.439 --> 01:41:17.760
<v Speaker 2>over in contra like different goddesses, different groupings, but they're

1825
01:41:17.960 --> 01:41:20.680
<v Speaker 2>all related to this primordial set of seven, eight and nine,

1826
01:41:21.279 --> 01:41:25.159
<v Speaker 2>just like hod yesoda. And that's all. So it's speaking

1827
01:41:25.239 --> 01:41:28.159
<v Speaker 2>to something, in my opinion, deeper and more profound. And

1828
01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:32.079
<v Speaker 2>it's again, it's all about Matt said this really well,

1829
01:41:32.399 --> 01:41:35.000
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sorry Matt, but yeah, it's all about perspective,

1830
01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:41.359
<v Speaker 2>vantage point, viewpoint, how you're perceiving it. Your feelings really

1831
01:41:41.439 --> 01:41:44.039
<v Speaker 2>matter when you're climbing the tree. If you are full

1832
01:41:44.119 --> 01:41:46.920
<v Speaker 2>of fear, full of aggregation. That doesn't mean you have

1833
01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:50.119
<v Speaker 2>to be like full right hand path like perfect Saint.

1834
01:41:50.279 --> 01:41:52.439
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't, But it doesn't mean like go be like

1835
01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:55.199
<v Speaker 2>full left hand path like black Magician. Like No, there

1836
01:41:55.279 --> 01:41:57.399
<v Speaker 2>is actually like a good synthesis of the two where

1837
01:41:57.439 --> 01:41:59.760
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to be in extremity.

1838
01:42:02.079 --> 01:42:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Hey, Nick, can you.

1839
01:42:04.239 --> 01:42:07.079
<v Speaker 5>Give us a good look at your shirt? Can you Matt,

1840
01:42:07.119 --> 01:42:10.680
<v Speaker 5>can you tell us which pip cards are own his shirt?

1841
01:42:11.279 --> 01:42:15.840
<v Speaker 1>We got King of was that Hearts and Diamonds? And

1842
01:42:16.199 --> 01:42:17.920
<v Speaker 1>what's what's your suits and cards there?

1843
01:42:18.039 --> 01:42:22.000
<v Speaker 3>Nick, that's King of Heart, King of Diamonds, and the

1844
01:42:22.039 --> 01:42:22.800
<v Speaker 3>Ace of Spades.

1845
01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:31.039
<v Speaker 1>That's a one of swords, King of Cups and Queen

1846
01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:39.159
<v Speaker 1>of Pentacles. I just thought it was strange they were

1847
01:42:39.199 --> 01:42:40.359
<v Speaker 1>talking about this stuff.

1848
01:42:40.159 --> 01:42:42.960
<v Speaker 6>So we can read it.

1849
01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:46.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like like the King's other it's very gentous, like

1850
01:42:46.439 --> 01:42:48.239
<v Speaker 3>the way they're both looking different directions do.

1851
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. I, on the other hand, have one called trip King.

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01:42:53.880 --> 01:43:05.800
<v Speaker 1>It's for a royal flushed.

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01:43:05.960 --> 01:43:08.399
<v Speaker 2>So I have like a cop with noodles, just small,

1854
01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:10.560
<v Speaker 2>just like exactly where where Matts is.

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<v Speaker 6>Those are very interesting. Last time we had the colors

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<v Speaker 6>for the.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh that was funny, remember that. Yeah, to Let's try

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01:43:21.199 --> 01:43:23.520
<v Speaker 4>to set it up again for the next one. Yeah,

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01:43:25.119 --> 01:43:27.680
<v Speaker 4>I think, uh yeah again. We said a lot, even

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01:43:27.720 --> 01:43:29.479
<v Speaker 4>though even Donald said there was a lot of information

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<v Speaker 4>in this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you both. There was a lot of shit. I

1863
01:43:33.079 --> 01:43:34.840
<v Speaker 3>thought about it kind of got stuck at my own

1864
01:43:34.880 --> 01:43:37.960
<v Speaker 3>ideas and ship so I was paying attention. I just

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01:43:38.479 --> 01:43:41.640
<v Speaker 3>was thinking a lot. I thank you all. That was

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01:43:41.640 --> 01:43:43.960
<v Speaker 3>a lot of stuff again. I think everybody in the

1867
01:43:44.039 --> 01:43:44.479
<v Speaker 3>chat too.

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01:43:44.920 --> 01:43:46.319
<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of people that kind of like threw

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01:43:46.399 --> 01:43:49.680
<v Speaker 4>some stuff out there. I appreciate that a little of

1870
01:43:49.760 --> 01:43:53.319
<v Speaker 4>you guys, Uh, plug your stuff again real quick, the branch.

1871
01:43:53.680 --> 01:43:55.600
<v Speaker 3>Let everybody know what's something. They of fundy stuff.

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01:43:57.039 --> 01:43:59.439
<v Speaker 1>I know, as she said, thinking a lot instead of

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01:43:59.479 --> 01:44:01.159
<v Speaker 1>feeling a lot. That's just funny.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, check us out on New Friday Nights, Friday

1875
01:44:06.800 --> 01:44:10.600
<v Speaker 5>Night Gnostic Mass. We've been doing those frequently and they're

1876
01:44:10.600 --> 01:44:13.920
<v Speaker 5>a lot of fun. Also, check out Threshold Scenes on

1877
01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:16.640
<v Speaker 5>Spotify and Apple. There's a lot of really great episodes

1878
01:44:16.720 --> 01:44:19.960
<v Speaker 5>dropping here lately. Thanks so much for sharing time and space.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh thank you man. I always appreciate you coming on.

1881
01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:27.239
<v Speaker 3>Sure for a back please.

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01:44:28.840 --> 01:44:34.359
<v Speaker 6>Yes again. Like Joshua was talking about, we propheticized at

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01:44:34.399 --> 01:44:37.119
<v Speaker 6>the beginning that would be great, and it was great.

1884
01:44:37.319 --> 01:44:39.840
<v Speaker 6>So make sure to follow each and every one of us.

1885
01:44:39.880 --> 01:44:42.960
<v Speaker 6>If you like the conversation. You have the equip Rejects,

1886
01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:45.720
<v Speaker 6>you have Threshold Saints, you have the Joshua, the Branch.

1887
01:44:46.359 --> 01:44:50.079
<v Speaker 6>You have myself as well at Medmore nineteen on any

1888
01:44:50.119 --> 01:44:52.039
<v Speaker 6>platform you can find. And if I'm not there, just

1889
01:44:52.079 --> 01:44:54.439
<v Speaker 6>tell me I'll try to be there as well. There's

1890
01:44:54.720 --> 01:44:58.239
<v Speaker 6>my website, just commented on the chat the way it's written,

1891
01:44:58.399 --> 01:45:03.159
<v Speaker 6>Cabala dot com. There's also the Grade Lodge, which we

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01:45:03.279 --> 01:45:06.560
<v Speaker 6>do again every Fridays, which is very interesting. I'm going

1893
01:45:06.640 --> 01:45:11.000
<v Speaker 6>to put also the website there, which we are now

1894
01:45:11.159 --> 01:45:13.640
<v Speaker 6>doing on YouTube as well. We are basically trying to

1895
01:45:13.680 --> 01:45:16.760
<v Speaker 6>catch up up until we can do it live on

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01:45:16.880 --> 01:45:19.239
<v Speaker 6>both ways, so on ACCE and YouTube at the same time,

1897
01:45:19.560 --> 01:45:21.399
<v Speaker 6>but for now you're just catching up and including all

1898
01:45:21.439 --> 01:45:26.000
<v Speaker 6>the recordings there. And yeah, that was very much awesome.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks a lot for calling, and thanks guys for the

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<v Speaker 6>space and time here.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you very much.

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01:45:30.920 --> 01:45:31.039
<v Speaker 5>Man.

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01:45:31.119 --> 01:45:33.159
<v Speaker 3>I really appreciate everything you bring.

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01:45:33.239 --> 01:45:34.960
<v Speaker 4>You have a lot of a lot of stuff to

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01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:40.319
<v Speaker 4>say about the Kabbala and Ninja Lodge Master.

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01:45:40.399 --> 01:45:41.800
<v Speaker 3>I think great Lodge Master.

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01:45:43.680 --> 01:45:45.560
<v Speaker 2>I like to think of myself as a bit of

1908
01:45:45.680 --> 01:45:50.279
<v Speaker 2>a horizontalists and so everybody is of their own will.

1909
01:45:51.359 --> 01:45:54.359
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I have to sometimes make boss decisions. But

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01:45:54.880 --> 01:45:57.479
<v Speaker 2>as you can relate to as you can relate to neck.

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01:45:59.000 --> 01:46:02.279
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I I really appreciate it. It's been incredible

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01:46:02.359 --> 01:46:05.039
<v Speaker 2>to do a series. Uh you know, like I I

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01:46:05.560 --> 01:46:07.880
<v Speaker 2>think the world of Matt and Joshua, and I'm really

1914
01:46:08.279 --> 01:46:10.560
<v Speaker 2>thankful to have met them and Solar as well. Like

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01:46:11.359 --> 01:46:13.960
<v Speaker 2>that is how we started The Gray Lodge was in Kabbala,

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01:46:14.520 --> 01:46:20.159
<v Speaker 2>like discussing kabala, like very intermediate, like much more. I

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01:46:20.199 --> 01:46:21.840
<v Speaker 2>don't know I was we were. I was trying to

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01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:22.640
<v Speaker 2>do something different.

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01:46:22.720 --> 01:46:24.079
<v Speaker 1>I was like with like, you know, like.

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01:46:24.159 --> 01:46:27.199
<v Speaker 2>Fuck all this stuff about conspiracy theory, like let's talk

1921
01:46:27.239 --> 01:46:31.960
<v Speaker 2>about like serious like meta mythology using the Kabala and

1922
01:46:32.600 --> 01:46:34.720
<v Speaker 2>let's like just get into it. And so I was

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01:46:34.800 --> 01:46:37.800
<v Speaker 2>really lucky that I had three instant brothers that sort

1924
01:46:37.840 --> 01:46:42.000
<v Speaker 2>of came up at this similar time. So yeah, so

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01:46:42.119 --> 01:46:44.640
<v Speaker 2>you can follow us at the True Gray Lodge, of course,

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01:46:44.720 --> 01:46:50.079
<v Speaker 2>with a v myself at Threshold Saints uh at on

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01:46:50.399 --> 01:46:53.960
<v Speaker 2>ex Twitter as well as ig. Yes, my account's still

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01:46:54.000 --> 01:46:55.279
<v Speaker 2>there at Woucomrie Born.

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<v Speaker 6>You can follow it.

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01:46:56.359 --> 01:46:59.680
<v Speaker 2>It's just uh we're just I'm just quiet right now,

1931
01:46:59.840 --> 01:47:03.760
<v Speaker 2>and that's always an option. But yes, Threshold Saints, thank

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01:47:03.800 --> 01:47:06.720
<v Speaker 2>you so much. Joshua, who has an episode two episodes

1933
01:47:06.800 --> 01:47:09.960
<v Speaker 2>coming up, I didn't forget, and also Matt has an

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01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:13.720
<v Speaker 2>episode with Dapper Zen on the Music of the Spheres

1935
01:47:13.840 --> 01:47:15.840
<v Speaker 2>the Music of the Suffra. I didn't title it that,

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01:47:16.000 --> 01:47:17.960
<v Speaker 2>but the title is really good, so I hope they

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01:47:18.079 --> 01:47:20.840
<v Speaker 2>they'll appreciate it when it drops. That will happen next week,

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01:47:21.600 --> 01:47:28.439
<v Speaker 2>So thank you so much. Yeah, Crystal Drinkwater Domino our exxx,

1939
01:47:29.119 --> 01:47:32.640
<v Speaker 2>her episode just dropped today and then Thursday. Kelby Losak,

1940
01:47:33.000 --> 01:47:36.319
<v Speaker 2>who is the you know outlet favorite right now and

1941
01:47:36.479 --> 01:47:39.760
<v Speaker 2>he's his new books coming out Texas Tea in a month,

1942
01:47:39.840 --> 01:47:41.920
<v Speaker 2>so it's kind of like a perfect time for his

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<v Speaker 2>episode to also drop. So thank you guys so much

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01:47:44.840 --> 01:47:47.760
<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. Everyone from the lodge who came into the chat,

1945
01:47:48.840 --> 01:47:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Nick's audience who always shows like us a great love

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01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:55.399
<v Speaker 2>and respect to appreciate it. And Nick himself of course

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01:47:55.520 --> 01:47:59.039
<v Speaker 2>for inviting us on and we letting us, you know,

1948
01:47:59.119 --> 01:48:01.720
<v Speaker 2>promote ourselves and do this. And yeah, check out our

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01:48:01.800 --> 01:48:06.479
<v Speaker 2>YouTube because they will start being YouTube lives eventually in

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01:48:06.560 --> 01:48:09.640
<v Speaker 2>a few weeks anyway, and so I'm really excited for that.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, the great ledge we are just moving forward

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01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:15.199
<v Speaker 2>into the speculative future. So thank you guys so much

1953
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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you guys really should take your shit to youtubelobs man,

1955
01:48:19.520 --> 01:48:22.359
<v Speaker 3>you guys do great on Twitter spaces. It'll be awesome.

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01:48:22.399 --> 01:48:24.479
<v Speaker 3>To see you guys like go live on like another platform.

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<v Speaker 3>I really hope that works out. I look forward to that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's awesome again. Thank you for the branch, Matt Jin.

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<v Speaker 3>It was really a pleasure to work with you guys again,

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<v Speaker 3>and I look forward to the next one. Again. Thank

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01:48:38.159 --> 01:48:40.680
<v Speaker 3>you everybody in the chat. I appreciate it. That's what's up.

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<v Speaker 4>I saw a lot of good comments in there and

1963
01:48:42.640 --> 01:48:45.039
<v Speaker 4>a lot of the same faces, and they were here

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<v Speaker 4>from the beginning to the end. I appreciate it again,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's why we go live and until the next one.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody be well later.