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<v Speaker 1>Last episode, we began the story of Jerry Brutos, also

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Shoe Fetish Slayer. Today, we're carrying on

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<v Speaker 1>with part two, so be sure to check out part

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<v Speaker 1>one before listening. Today.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and.

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<v Speaker 1>Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast material intended for a matural audience. Listener

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<v Speaker 1>discretion is advised. You gotta drink ready, I do you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you guys have a drink ready? I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>drink ready. We record in the morning. I'm not having

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<v Speaker 1>whiskey per se, as I promised last episode, because it

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<v Speaker 1>is eight am. Maybe if we recorded any evening I would,

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<v Speaker 1>But today I've got coffee and Carolan's. I've irished it up.

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<v Speaker 1>We good. Make sure you have a comfort drink too,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're gonna need it today.

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<v Speaker 2>I have Greens. Is that considered a comfort drink?

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<v Speaker 1>I think? So? I don't even know what greens is

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<v Speaker 1>or that's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that like a supplement of Okay, yeah, but it

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<v Speaker 2>actually doesn't taste terrible, So we're okay, We're okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I say, the point of having a quote drink

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<v Speaker 1>with us is a comfort drink. It can be water

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<v Speaker 1>if you need hydrating. It could be coffee, it could

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<v Speaker 1>be whiskey, it could be beer. It's a drink that

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<v Speaker 1>you find you can just kind of have your security,

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<v Speaker 1>blank the edge off and sip away when you need it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, distracts you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, distracts you that there you go, distracts you, takes you,

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<v Speaker 1>snaps you back to the reality of your real world

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<v Speaker 1>rather than the world you're listening to. So hopefully you

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<v Speaker 1>have something like that right now that can do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you even have I don't know, a little doggle

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<v Speaker 1>by your side.

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<v Speaker 2>You can reach out pack man. That is the best

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<v Speaker 2>of comfort. Really, there's nothing better.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we have our one dog, Ripley, who's like an

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<v Speaker 1>mpath dog. She can sense when you're upset and she'll

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<v Speaker 1>come over and just like rest your head on your

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<v Speaker 1>lap and stare at you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, in anytime better and I hug she like instantly,

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<v Speaker 2>she goes right in between our legs, like she joins

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<v Speaker 2>our hug. It is it is the like, we need

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<v Speaker 2>to get that on video. It's the sweetest cutest thing

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, She'll be laying there and then we hug and

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<v Speaker 1>then she'll just stand up and come walk come running

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<v Speaker 1>over and just like walk in between her legs and

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<v Speaker 1>put herself in the middle. Oh man, it's adorable, Like who.

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of dog does that?

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<v Speaker 1>That is just I know. Anyway, Yeah, we digress, We digress.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready to carry on with part two? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so? Yeah, You're gonna give us a little

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<v Speaker 2>recap there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I will. Yes. So we started the story of

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry Brudos, right, a man known as the shoe fetish

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<v Speaker 1>Slayer also sometimes the lust Killer. There's a few different

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<v Speaker 1>names he's gone by, but those are the primary ones.

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<v Speaker 1>And he went through a few attempted abductions that did

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<v Speaker 1>not go according to his plan. How the remains of

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<v Speaker 1>some of his victims were discovered. We talked about last

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<v Speaker 1>time as well and his initial arrest. Then we began

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<v Speaker 1>talking about who Jerry Brudos was, starting with his upbringing

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<v Speaker 1>and mentioning the inciting incident that psychologist believes to be

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<v Speaker 1>when his fetish and tendencies really began.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where we left off with his mother kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, with the incident with his mother and berating him

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<v Speaker 1>in shoes and women's clothing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then wishing he was a girl.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he found a pair of shoes, discarded high

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<v Speaker 1>heeled shoes, brought them home, and his mother was irate

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<v Speaker 1>made burn them in front of him, and those were

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<v Speaker 1>his prize possession sort of thing. Right, So yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>where we left off, and we have a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>to cover to trust.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, I'm sure we do. Yeah, okay, So.

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<v Speaker 1>You ready for this?

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<v Speaker 2>I am all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to start by continuing to look at

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry in his early life, leading all the way up

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<v Speaker 1>to his arrest. So here we go. So after that

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<v Speaker 1>incident with his mother and losing those shoes, life kind

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<v Speaker 1>of went on for little Jerry. But one day in

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<v Speaker 1>first grade, Jerry became captivated by his teacher's habit of

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<v Speaker 1>switching into high heels at the start of each day.

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<v Speaker 1>She had come in like sneakers or whatever, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>then switch into high heels for work. Basically okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>she clearly had a love for fashion, even keeping an

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<v Speaker 1>extra pair of heels tucked under her desk. Now, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the practical reason was for this spared pair of shoes

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<v Speaker 1>with a fashion or in case a heel breaks, who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter, and it didn't matter to Jerry either.

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<v Speaker 1>What mattered was how badly he wanted those shoes. So

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<v Speaker 1>that day, Jerry's focus wasn't on his lessons in the classroom,

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<v Speaker 1>but on the shoes instead. He spent hours staring at them,

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<v Speaker 1>building up the nerve to try and take them for himself. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>when the teacher wasn't looking, did quietly he slipped the

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<v Speaker 1>high heels into his backpack, thinking he had gotten away

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<v Speaker 1>with his first heist. But his victory was short lived.

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<v Speaker 1>Another student noticed Jerry sneaking the shoes away and reported

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<v Speaker 1>it to the teacher. When he was approached about this

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<v Speaker 1>by the teacher, he was embarrassed. He was humiliated in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the class, and he bolted out of the classroom,

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<v Speaker 1>his face just burning red with shame from what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>Right So, that failed theft may have been a small incident,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a glimpse at the compulsions that were

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<v Speaker 1>beginning to haunt Jerry.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so hard I just have to say, for me

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<v Speaker 2>to even comprehend that, like a little one year old

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<v Speaker 2>or not one year first grader is six is so

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<v Speaker 2>fixated on something like that, you know, Like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I just think back to myself for like other first graders,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just you're like so care free and you're

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<v Speaker 2>just all over the place. And but he's just like

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<v Speaker 2>already has this like obsessive compulsive disorder kind of thing, right, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, one hundred percent he does.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing is this isn't naturally developing with him.

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<v Speaker 1>He was instilled with this from those actions of his mother, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it just seems like so young to be having,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like in this sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. I don't think like at this age, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's a fetish sort of thing. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a sexual thing at least not yet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just he has this obsession with the shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost his comfort I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like he wants to wear them, he enjoys it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that sort of thing, and he was forced

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<v Speaker 1>to do it behind closed doors. He's forced to be

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<v Speaker 1>shameful about it. So now it's just like he I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if his mother just gave him a fucking pair of

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<v Speaker 1>high heels, he probably would have played with him for

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<v Speaker 1>a week a month and then like got bored of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would have been that got it out of

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<v Speaker 1>his system per se. And that's just me like speculation. Possibly,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is possible, and maybe he would have moved

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<v Speaker 1>on with his life, but he didn't. He didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>that upper tunity. So he's got to sneak around and

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<v Speaker 1>be careful and do it behind closed doors when no

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<v Speaker 1>one's looking, and he rarely gets that opportunity, especially at

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<v Speaker 1>this age. Oh jeez. So during his teenage years, Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>became a little bit infamous in his neighborhood for his

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<v Speaker 1>troubling behavior. He was known for sneaking into nearby homes

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<v Speaker 1>to steal women's underwear, which he hoarded in secret. Every

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<v Speaker 1>time he was caught, his mother subjected him to harsh punishments, beatings,

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<v Speaker 1>verbal humiliation, things that only deepened his resentment and shame.

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<v Speaker 1>As he got older, his actions escalated even further. He

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<v Speaker 1>began stalking women who walked out alone at night, lurking

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<v Speaker 1>in the shadows and waiting for that opportunity when he

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<v Speaker 1>could strike on them. When he found a vulnerable target,

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry would attack, often strangling the women until they were unconscious.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't harm them further after that, but he would

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<v Speaker 1>steal their shoes as trophies. Before fleeing the scene. Man, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine waking up without your shoes after an attack like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I feel like that could easily go wrong

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<v Speaker 2>though too, Like how does he for sure no one

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<v Speaker 2>to stop? And you know, like I feel like you

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<v Speaker 2>could easily he could accidentally kill one of them, even

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<v Speaker 2>if he wasn't intending to.

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<v Speaker 1>It's possible if you go too far, for sure. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>by Jerry's mid teens, his behavior has had caused enough

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<v Speaker 1>trouble that the family did decide to move to a

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<v Speaker 1>new town in Oregon. His parents hoped that a fresh

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<v Speaker 1>start and a new environment might help Jerry leave his

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<v Speaker 1>troubling reputation behind. Unfortunately, the move did little to curb

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<v Speaker 1>his escalating behavior, as his obsession and impulsions just followed

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<v Speaker 1>him wherever he went. Sorry, it's morning. I'm not doing

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<v Speaker 1>so well with my voice right now. I need more

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<v Speaker 1>SIPs of coffee. So but just at sixteen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry spent an entire weekend out, you know, in this

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<v Speaker 1>new place in Oregon, digging a deep pit on a hillside,

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<v Speaker 1>away from prying eyes. He went out here all alone,

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<v Speaker 1>and he began digging the pit, and he fantasized to

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<v Speaker 1>himself about imprisoning a woman and having her captive here

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<v Speaker 1>in this pit. Yes, he pictured having a woman helped

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<v Speaker 1>captive in a fucking pit, and he's like, oh, just

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about how she could be begging for freedom and

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing, very silence of the Lamb's esque, which,

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned in episode one, this there is some

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<v Speaker 1>influence from this case that went into the movie and

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<v Speaker 1>Buffalo Bill.

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<v Speaker 2>See when you've were talking about this pit, my first

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<v Speaker 2>reaction was that he was just going to store some

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<v Speaker 2>of his stolen shit in there, not like a freaking woman.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he planned on having a person in there. Okay, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>thankfully no individual ever saw the inside of this pit.

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<v Speaker 1>This pit, this pit, this pit.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh we're really in for this Okay. Yeah, I'm already

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<v Speaker 2>just like sitting here just shocked by everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you should be, because it's fucked now. When Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>was seventeen, he put together a plan to get a

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<v Speaker 1>local girl alone. He took a pair of her underwear,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he pretended that he knew who was responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for it, and then he wanted to help this girl

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<v Speaker 1>get this pair of underwear back. So he's like, I

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<v Speaker 1>can help you. You know what, I know, who did it?

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<v Speaker 1>Come over to my place, and we're gonna go through

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<v Speaker 1>this and we're gonna get figured out for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So he invited her over to his home, and as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as she arrived on step inside, he then grabbed

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<v Speaker 1>her with face mask on so covering his face, and

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>He then forced this girl to strip and posed for

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<v Speaker 1>dozens of photographs before letting her go. What so that's seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, okay, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The girl was absolutely terrified. Yeah, and left their home

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<v Speaker 1>in tears and immediately reported the ordeal to the police,

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<v Speaker 1>but for one reason or another, no arrests were ever made.

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<v Speaker 1>What the Yeah, it seems like that's a pretty fucking

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<v Speaker 2>go and report this? Like? What the what was he? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>God, that's just so gross, I know, right, Like there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's not understandable when someone attacks, but like I get

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<v Speaker 1>they're going through the attack to trying to remain anonymous. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>he lured her here and it's his home. You think

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't gonna like trace back to you? Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>think that face mask is gonna, you know, maybe solve it.

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<v Speaker 2>He figured that she He's like threatened her enough that

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<v Speaker 1>But but she's probably like, I know who this fucking was.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I'm glad she did report it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he did get away with that one. Like

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry decided to try his luck with a similar plan,

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<v Speaker 1>so he kidnapped a seventeen year old girl in his car.

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<v Speaker 1>He then took her to a secluded area with a

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<v Speaker 1>he began to beat the girl severely. Now, thankfully, there

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<v Speaker 1>That was when they found Jerry looming over his helpless victim.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, okay, the fact that they went and investigated

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty pretty incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>It is pretty daring. So put on them. Honestly, they

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<v Speaker 1>probably saved this girl's life, no kidding, But he was

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<v Speaker 1>caught red handed, though Jerry did attempt to spin a

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre kind of claim. He's like, oh, I was just

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<v Speaker 2>All of shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I'm pretty sure that was the couple's reaction too,

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<v Speaker 1>because they didn't buy his story at all, and they

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<v Speaker 1>He's just like, oh no, I'm the hero. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sure this girl is gonna fucking tell that couple otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>But when Jerry was confronted, he did confess to everything

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<v Speaker 1>about it and everything like his perversions, all this sort

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<v Speaker 1>and it revealed a hidden stash of stolen women's underwear

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<v Speaker 1>trophies and exposed. Jerry was left humiliated and defeated and

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<v Speaker 1>what his arrest occurred with this one. I do know

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<v Speaker 1>that he had an incriminating file after this, but I

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<v Speaker 1>do know he was not necessarily sent to prison by

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<v Speaker 1>the sounds of it. He was sent to a psych

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<v Speaker 1>word in Oregon State Hospital instead. Okay, because here he

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<v Speaker 1>underwent a battery of psychological evaluations. He was officially diagnosed

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<v Speaker 1>with borderline schizophrenia, sexual fetishism, and what they euphemistically described

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<v Speaker 1>as severe psychological mum or sorry, severe pathological mummy issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, despite his his commitment to the psych ward

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to get better, Jerry was still allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>actually attend high school at the same time, and he

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<v Speaker 1>did manage to graduate in nineteen fifty seven. Now, his

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<v Speaker 1>nine months in the psych ward didn't cure his disturbing

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<v Speaker 1>tendencies though. Instead they gave him the tools to suppress them,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least hide them well enough to convince anyone

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<v Speaker 1>else that he was in fact cured.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, because he probably almost needed longer in there, which Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>the people that were initially like investigating this and found

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<v Speaker 2>all this shit, they were probably just like, wow, like,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a huge problem here. Yeah, and they I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I feel like they could have nipped it

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<v Speaker 2>in the butt potentially, but they didn't I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have him in there long enough or something. I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>I see, I disagree. I don't think you.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't think it's possible.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think. I don't think he was reformable. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it was possible to reform Jerry Brutos at

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<v Speaker 1>all at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's far too already too far.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you have to remember at this point, he's what eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>He's been going through this for nearly two decades of

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<v Speaker 1>his life. Remember, his mother was berating him in women's

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<v Speaker 1>clothing as like as younger than five, because five was

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<v Speaker 1>the incident with the shoes when he stole them and

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<v Speaker 1>they burned in front of him. So even if we

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<v Speaker 1>make that five year old the landing point for all this,

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<v Speaker 1>that leaves twelve years of this instilled within him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, it's just so interesting though it started

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<v Speaker 2>just like with women's shoes, and it's sure fricking progress.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, I do want to say, if he was

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<v Speaker 1>able to be reformed, I think it would have taken

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<v Speaker 1>several decades, not just like, oh I'll give him a

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<v Speaker 1>year or two. No, I'm thinking I'm talking like give

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<v Speaker 1>him fucking twenty thirty years and maybe because I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is so deep, this is literally who he is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, it would definitely have taken some more time

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<v Speaker 2>than nine months.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, after his discharge from the hospital, Jerry attempted

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<v Speaker 1>to turn over a new leaf by joining the military.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, his assault conviction and psychological diagnosis weren't

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<v Speaker 1>flagged as issues because I mean, hey, it is like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the nineteen sixties, so yeah, or at least almost

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen sixties. I think it was still late nineteen fifty,

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<v Speaker 1>but anyways, I digress. He was accepted without question, but

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry's time in the service was short lived. He his

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<v Speaker 1>main ambition during this time, disturbingly, was to be try

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<v Speaker 1>and get stationed in Korea, where he fantasized about a

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<v Speaker 1>Korean woman seducing him and fulfilling his dominating fantasies.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeez, yeah, that is like such a reason to join

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<v Speaker 2>the military, hey.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Instead, he was sent to Fort Gordon, Georgia, where

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<v Speaker 1>his bizarre behavior quickly drew attention. Jerry was advised to

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<v Speaker 1>meet with a military psychiatrist, and during their session he

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<v Speaker 1>spoke openly about his troubling domination fantasies. Not The exact

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<v Speaker 1>details of the discussion remained unclear, but his military record

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<v Speaker 1>noted that he was discharged for bizarre obsessions. His brief

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<v Speaker 1>attempt at military life had ended in utter failure. After discharge,

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry returned home to Oregon. His parents allowed him to

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<v Speaker 1>move back, but only under the strict conditions that he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't allowed to sleep in the house. Instead, he had

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep in the farm shed.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just continuing that shaming beration of their child.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like parents of the fricking year. Hey yeah, holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Isolated, Jerry's first strations grew. Feeling stripped of all his dignity,

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<v Speaker 1>all his control, he reverted to his old ways to

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<v Speaker 1>vent out his anger. Jerry stalked and attacked a random woman,

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<v Speaker 1>strangling her until she lost consciousness. With the woman incapacitated,

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry took her shoes and ran back to his bed,

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<v Speaker 1>curling up to sleep with them held tight in his arms.

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<v Speaker 1>His violent fantasies were still very much so alive. Jerry's

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<v Speaker 1>ability to suppress and you know, like hide these perversions

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<v Speaker 1>had been nothing more than a facade. By the time

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry Brutos turned twenty two. He had trained as an

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<v Speaker 1>electrician and appeared to be settling into a conventional lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 1>He met Darcy Metzler, a seventeen year old girl who

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<v Speaker 1>would become his wife. Her parents strongly opposed the couple's relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>probably because they kind of could see Jerry for who

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<v Speaker 1>he was, A total creep. Yeah, but their disapproval only

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<v Speaker 1>drove Darcy closer to Jerry.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, as it would Yeah, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>For the first time in his life, Jerry experienced genuine

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<v Speaker 1>affection from a woman, and it cemented their bond together. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>to the outside world, Jerry seemed to have transformed finally

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<v Speaker 1>into a respectable family man. He didn't drink, he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>smoke or swear, making it seem like he was just normal.

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<v Speaker 1>But behind closed doors, his devyan tendencies were very much

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<v Speaker 1>so alive and thriving. Early in their marriage, Jerry imposed

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<v Speaker 1>strict rules on Darcy, demanding that she serve him absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>unconditionally as his housewife. She was to wear only high

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<v Speaker 1>heels around the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, okay, yeah, holy shit, I would rage.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, I did read some articles talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>she was told she could wear nothing but high heels,

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<v Speaker 1>and I read one saying only high heels. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to assume it's a little bit of a mix

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<v Speaker 1>because I can't imagine she's just constantly nude stretting about

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<v Speaker 1>the house, you know what I mean. Yeah, but I mean, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a possibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I think she's so much younger, like not

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<v Speaker 2>like it's not terrible, but like five years, like that's

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<v Speaker 2>substantial when they're that age kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>In Yeah, the percentage wise, the age gap is rather

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<v Speaker 1>it is not like creepy, but it's a bit large. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean technically she was seventeen when they met, not eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, okay, yeah, but yeah, I mean by

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<v Speaker 1>the time they got married, I'm sure she was well

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<v Speaker 1>over seventeen eighteen nineteen, who knows, but yeah. Anyways, Over time,

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<v Speaker 1>Darcy appeared to fall completely under Jerry's control, seemingly brainwashed

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<v Speaker 1>by his absolute dominance. The couple moved frequently before settling

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<v Speaker 1>into Portland, Oregon, where Jerry secured a stable job as

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<v Speaker 1>sixty two and his son, Jason in nineteen sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>For years, it seemed as though this family life and

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<v Speaker 1>love of his devoted wife kept Jerry's dark urges in check. Mean, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>some weird stuff's going on at home. It's consensual stuff. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>all the power to you, right, So it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>everything's in order. However, psychologists have since noted that the

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<v Speaker 1>birth of his son Jason, marked a critical turning point

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<v Speaker 1>in Jerry's life. See. During Jason's birth, Darcy barred Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>from entering the maternity ward for whatever reason she had right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's believed that this act triggered a profound sense

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<v Speaker 1>of betrayal and disempowerment in Jerry. He viewed that moment

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<v Speaker 1>as a challenge to his control, and it seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>reignite the deviant compulsions that he had managed to suppress

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<v Speaker 1>for the past few years.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like, that's one simple little thing there, exactly. Oh gosh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's stocking that it didn't come back earlier then.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so well, I mean that's why I'm sitting here

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<v Speaker 1>saying I don't think you can reform this individual when

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<v Speaker 1>things like that, it flips so fast. Yeah, Like there's

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about it briefly in part one, but Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>Brutos is a classical, classical, classic psychology case for psych students,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's so much to unpack here, right, So he

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<v Speaker 1>is like literally a textbook example of many of these

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up things that are going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well there's yeah, there's a lot going on there,

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<v Speaker 2>that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, not long after Jason's birth, Jerry found himself

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<v Speaker 1>walking around Portland, and then he spotted a woman wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a pair of high heels that matched his ideal type

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<v Speaker 1>in his head perfectly. He was fixated, and he began

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<v Speaker 1>following her for hours, watching her every move, and he

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<v Speaker 1>tracked her all the way back to her home. When

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<v Speaker 1>night fell and she went to sleep, Jerry crept into

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<v Speaker 1>her house, intending to steal her shoes and leave unnoticed. However,

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<v Speaker 1>during his heist, the woman woke up and saw him

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<v Speaker 1>looming over her in her bedroom. Panicked, Jerry pounced, covering

419
00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:09.279
<v Speaker 1>her mouth and choking her as she struggled until she

420
00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:13.839
<v Speaker 1>fell unconscious. As she lay motionless on the bed, still

421
00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:19.079
<v Speaker 1>alive but incapacitated, Jerry paused. In this moment, his deviant

422
00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:24.160
<v Speaker 1>fantasies collided with reality, and he took his opportunity sexually

423
00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:27.880
<v Speaker 1>assaulting her before he ran away.

424
00:23:28.720 --> 00:23:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, with her shoes, I'm assuming, or maybe not.

425
00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:35.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming. Yes, with their shoes, I'm not too. I'm

426
00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:38.000
<v Speaker 1>not confirmed on every time he steals a pair of

427
00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:41.319
<v Speaker 1>shoes or article of clothing. Yeah, but it's a pattern that, yes,

428
00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:43.720
<v Speaker 1>he steals shoes or clothing or something, so he I'm

429
00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:47.200
<v Speaker 1>sure he ran away with something from this incident. Yes. Now,

430
00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:50.240
<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned earlier, Jerry lived out his fantasies behind

431
00:23:50.359 --> 00:23:52.720
<v Speaker 1>closed doors, or at least that's why it was at

432
00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:55.799
<v Speaker 1>home for the past few years, but ever since moving

433
00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:59.519
<v Speaker 1>into their Portland home, he had strict rules regarding his garage,

434
00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:04.119
<v Speaker 1>basement and the home attic. Both spaces were completely off

435
00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:06.920
<v Speaker 1>limits to his wife and their children. If they needed

436
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:09.039
<v Speaker 1>in there, or if they needed to talk to him

437
00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:12.839
<v Speaker 1>while he was inside, they were required to press a

438
00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:16.000
<v Speaker 1>buzzer on an intercom system and wait until Jerry would

439
00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:18.759
<v Speaker 1>unlock heavy bolts that were securing the doors.

440
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

441
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:23.519
<v Speaker 1>Remember when I said no one found their way inside

442
00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:32.720
<v Speaker 1>that pit? Oh no, yeah, this is his adult version.

443
00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:35.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, I don't know why I didn't go there,

444
00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:39.480
<v Speaker 2>but okay, yeah, wow, I'm really naive this morning.

445
00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:43.759
<v Speaker 1>So for most of their marriage, these spaces, this garage

446
00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:46.279
<v Speaker 1>and the attic and stuff, they served as Jerry's private haven.

447
00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:50.039
<v Speaker 1>The garage mostly is where he would indulge in his

448
00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:54.200
<v Speaker 1>cross dressing fantasies without fear of judgment from his family. However,

449
00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:56.839
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty eight, the garage basement would take on

450
00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:03.880
<v Speaker 1>a far darker role. On a cold January night, Linda Slosson,

451
00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:09.119
<v Speaker 1>a young Encyclopedia saleswoman, knocked on Jerry's front door. We

452
00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:14.359
<v Speaker 1>talked about Linda in part one. Yeah, Now, Jerry just

453
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:16.759
<v Speaker 1>so happened to be home, and he just so happened

454
00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:21.000
<v Speaker 1>to be home alone, and the sight of this defenseless

455
00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:24.079
<v Speaker 1>young woman standing on his doorstep made his heart race.

456
00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:28.240
<v Speaker 1>Linda gave her standard sales pitch, and Jerry pretended he

457
00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:31.519
<v Speaker 1>was interested, and then before long he invited her inside,

458
00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:34.400
<v Speaker 1>out of the cold, under the pretense of discussing discussing

459
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.759
<v Speaker 1>a potential purchase right now. For Linda, this was routine

460
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:40.039
<v Speaker 1>at the time. Like you know, salespeople, they would come inside,

461
00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:43.519
<v Speaker 1>they would discuss, you know, show lots of things about it,

462
00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:45.440
<v Speaker 1>and talk about their things. Hey, you could even put

463
00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:47.240
<v Speaker 1>them over here on this swall you know, make a

464
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:49.279
<v Speaker 1>cup of tea. All these sorts of things were normal

465
00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:52.200
<v Speaker 1>for this sales job at the time. Jerry led her

466
00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:54.599
<v Speaker 1>into the garage and Linda began setting up her samples

467
00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:58.240
<v Speaker 1>and her paperwork, but as her back was turned, Jerry

468
00:25:58.279 --> 00:26:01.680
<v Speaker 1>grabbed a plank of wood and swung it, cracking it

469
00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:06.640
<v Speaker 1>over her head, knocking her unconscious. He then dragged her

470
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:11.039
<v Speaker 1>downstairs into his locked garage basement area, where he strangled

471
00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:13.880
<v Speaker 1>her to death before she could wake up.

472
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, that escalated real fast. Yep, Oh my gosh.

473
00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:21.720
<v Speaker 2>And this is the thought of like that job, that

474
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:25.480
<v Speaker 2>you're just like it's normal to go into people's houses

475
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:29.759
<v Speaker 2>and shit, that is that is freaking terrifying.

476
00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:33.839
<v Speaker 1>Says the photographer who does home maternity and newborn shoots.

477
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, but it's like a fam. Shit, do you

478
00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:44.279
<v Speaker 2>not do that to me? Please right now? Sorry, I

479
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:47.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know, I just oh, ben, okay, just carry on

480
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:49.200
<v Speaker 2>then here all right.

481
00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:54.480
<v Speaker 1>What followed was a horrifying glimpse into Jerry's twisted mind

482
00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:58.039
<v Speaker 1>alone with the Linda. With Linda's lifeless body, Jerry spent

483
00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:00.799
<v Speaker 1>the night dressing her in his collection of high heels

484
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:01.799
<v Speaker 1>and lingerie.

485
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Then she's dead. Correct, Oh disturbing, okay.

486
00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:10.920
<v Speaker 1>He then dressed himself in Linda's own clothes, revealing more

487
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:15.279
<v Speaker 1>of his sick fantasies. He posed her body in provocative positions,

488
00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:21.720
<v Speaker 1>taking photographs to preserve the moment. This lasted for hours. Jerry, however,

489
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:24.480
<v Speaker 1>wasn't satisfied with just photos and a few items of

490
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:29.119
<v Speaker 1>clothing as souvenirs. Wanting something more, a little more permanent,

491
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.279
<v Speaker 1>he mutilated Linda's body by severing her left foot to

492
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:36.640
<v Speaker 1>use as a model for his growing woman's shoes collection.

493
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:41.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, yeah, he's He's keeping her foot as a souvenir.

494
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.519
<v Speaker 1>So this in itself wasn't about practicality by the sounds

495
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.680
<v Speaker 1>of it. To me, It's more about control and indulging

496
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:50.920
<v Speaker 1>in these tendencies. So like this, what's going to rot

497
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:54.039
<v Speaker 1>and look horrible very fast? Right, So it's more so

498
00:27:54.160 --> 00:28:00.160
<v Speaker 1>about yeah, like controlling the situation from what I see. So,

499
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:03.640
<v Speaker 1>after satisfying his twisted urges, Jerry set about disposing of

500
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Linda's body. He loaded her mutilator remains into his car

501
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:09.880
<v Speaker 1>and drove to a remote bridge and staged a flat

502
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:12.240
<v Speaker 1>tire on the side of the road. Then, once he

503
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:14.839
<v Speaker 1>was sure the coast was clear, Jerry retrieved Linda's body

504
00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:17.240
<v Speaker 1>from the trunk and heaved it over the railing into

505
00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the frigid water below. Jerry had successfully gotten away with

506
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.440
<v Speaker 1>his first murder, and it would take another ten months

507
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:31.680
<v Speaker 1>before the opportunity to kill presented itself once again. He

508
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:35.119
<v Speaker 1>was driving along Interstate five somewhere between Salem and Albany

509
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:37.960
<v Speaker 1>when Jerry noticed a young woman whose car was broken

510
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:40.480
<v Speaker 1>down in a rest stop. Her car was parked and

511
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>she was sitting with a group of men who had

512
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:45.519
<v Speaker 1>stopped to help. The young woman was Jan Whitney, as

513
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:49.480
<v Speaker 1>mentioned in Part one. Jerry pulled over, presenting himself as

514
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:52.720
<v Speaker 1>a kind stranger eager to assist. He offered Jan a

515
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:55.519
<v Speaker 1>ride back to his house to use the phone, adding

516
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:57.400
<v Speaker 1>that he could even grab some tools while there and

517
00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.680
<v Speaker 1>they can come back and try and fix the car together.

518
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:04.319
<v Speaker 1>He knew how, and hey, if he can't fix it,

519
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:07.119
<v Speaker 1>then you know whoever we phone can come pick pick

520
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:08.640
<v Speaker 1>up your car, pick up you or whatever.

521
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:11.799
<v Speaker 2>Right, He's like, we got this, yeah, like just making

522
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:14.039
<v Speaker 2>himself seem like the nicest of people.

523
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.559
<v Speaker 1>Right, like the hero of the situation, basically right, Grateful

524
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:21.200
<v Speaker 1>for his generosity Jane accepted his offer, not realizing that

525
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>she had unfortunately just sealed her fate. The two drove

526
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:29.359
<v Speaker 1>back to Jerry's house, and when they arrived, Jerry walked

527
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.240
<v Speaker 1>up to the front door and pretended that he didn't

528
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:35.720
<v Speaker 1>have his keys. He's the door's locked. I forgot my

529
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.519
<v Speaker 1>keep my house keys. My wife she's not gonna be

530
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>home to it for a little while. She'll she'll be home,

531
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, later on, like a couple hours. Maybe just

532
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:45.559
<v Speaker 1>wait in the car until she returns, and then she

533
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:46.839
<v Speaker 1>can let us in the house and we can get

534
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>all this taken care of. So Jan's like, okay, yeah, sure,

535
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:51.880
<v Speaker 1>let's wait in the car. So she climbed back into

536
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>the passenger seat of the car while Jerry slid into

537
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:58.039
<v Speaker 1>the back seat behind her. Red flag o red flash.

538
00:29:58.119 --> 00:29:59.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you'd be like, what the fuck are you doing,

539
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.559
<v Speaker 2>but it would probably be so quick before you like

540
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:05.000
<v Speaker 2>fully comprehended what the hell was going on.

541
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, for sure, And I mean Jerry did put

542
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:10.279
<v Speaker 1>her at ease, because I mean for a while they did.

543
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:13.599
<v Speaker 1>They just chatted, they talked, they played some like some

544
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:16.279
<v Speaker 1>word games and stuff, you know, and just enjoyed each

545
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:20.039
<v Speaker 1>other's company for a little bit, and then before long,

546
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:23.200
<v Speaker 1>without warning, Jerry leaned forward and wrapped a leather strap

547
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:27.599
<v Speaker 1>around Jan's neck, pulling it tight. He yanked her backward

548
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.319
<v Speaker 1>against the headdress and used his knee to brace himself

549
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>against the seat to give him leverage to pull. Jan struggled,

550
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:39.079
<v Speaker 1>but Jerry pulled relentlessly until she went limp and lifeless

551
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>sitting in the car.

552
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:43.079
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh. I mean he could have, I guess, just

553
00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:44.880
<v Speaker 2>been like, oh, I'm gonna just like lay in the

554
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:49.039
<v Speaker 2>back seat like or whatever, right, and made it seem

555
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:51.440
<v Speaker 2>like it was slightly not super weird.

556
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, for sure, And I think that's probably

557
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:55.799
<v Speaker 1>what he kind of did.

558
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:58.559
<v Speaker 2>But oh wow, Okay.

559
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:02.039
<v Speaker 1>Now with Jan's bob in his control, Jerry moved her

560
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:05.839
<v Speaker 1>into his garage. He used a pulley system rigged up

561
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>to the ceiling, and he hoisted her up until her

562
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:13.200
<v Speaker 1>toes barely touched the floor. For Jerry, this grotesque setup

563
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>was part of a ritual that he had now carefully planned.

564
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.680
<v Speaker 1>He spent the entire evening with Jan's body, dressing her

565
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:24.279
<v Speaker 1>in various outfits, indulging his fantasies, just as he had

566
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:27.960
<v Speaker 1>done with his first victim. However, he took things a

567
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>little bit further this time, and he even engaged in

568
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:34.480
<v Speaker 1>necrophi laic acts. I'll leave it at that.

569
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>He just like the and they're just like hoisted up. Yeah, like,

570
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:42.160
<v Speaker 2>oh my goodness, this is so disturbing.

571
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's he's basically tying ropes around them and using

572
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>pulleys to yeah, like string them up. And then from

573
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:54.720
<v Speaker 1>there he's got basically human deceased mannekins that he just

574
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:55.960
<v Speaker 1>does what he wants with.

575
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, Okay, Yeah.

576
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:02.359
<v Speaker 1>Now, after Jerry was finished with Jan, he tied her

577
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:05.920
<v Speaker 1>lifeless body to a railroad iron using copper wire, loaded

578
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>her into his car, and drove to a nearby river. There,

579
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:12.960
<v Speaker 1>just like before, he discarded her body, right where Linda's

580
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:16.960
<v Speaker 1>sloughson had been discarded as well. By this point, Linda's

581
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:23.720
<v Speaker 1>severed foot was very extensively decayed, so Jerry decided to

582
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:26.279
<v Speaker 1>actually dispose of it as well, throwing it into the

583
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:31.359
<v Speaker 1>water along Jan's remains. For the rest of nineteen sixty eight,

584
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.599
<v Speaker 1>Jerry refrained from killing again, likely allowing the heat to

585
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.720
<v Speaker 1>die down, but his compulsions hadn't gone away. By the

586
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.680
<v Speaker 1>following spring, they resurfaced, and on the morning of March

587
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:45.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty seventh, nineteen sixty nine, Jerry was cruising through downtown Salem,

588
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>hunting for his next victim, and that's when he noticed

589
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.400
<v Speaker 1>a tall, glamorous woman walking down the street in a

590
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:55.839
<v Speaker 1>stunning pair of high heeled shoes, the perfect embodiment of

591
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:59.240
<v Speaker 1>his fantasies. He parked his car real quick and in

592
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>a panic to go follower in a nearby parking lot. However,

593
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:06.079
<v Speaker 1>he lost sight of her before he could act. Frustrated,

594
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Jerry's attention quickly shifted when another woman walked towards her

595
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:15.400
<v Speaker 1>car near the rooftop stairwell of the department store parking lot.

596
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:18.079
<v Speaker 1>This woman didn't quite match his image of the ideal

597
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:21.079
<v Speaker 1>victim like the last woman did, but it didn't matter.

598
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:24.240
<v Speaker 1>She was an opportunity and Jerry wasn't about to pass

599
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>it up. The young woman was nineteen year old Karen Sprinker,

600
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.319
<v Speaker 1>a college student who was about to become Jerry's third

601
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:36.440
<v Speaker 1>victim and the first to enter his torture dungeon alive.

602
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:42.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, that just gave me the freaking shivers, Just

603
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:44.079
<v Speaker 2>like talk about being in the wrong place at the

604
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:45.799
<v Speaker 2>wrong time too exactly.

605
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.160
<v Speaker 1>And notice how something new is happening with every victim.

606
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:54.559
<v Speaker 1>It's getting worse and worse, progressing with every single one.

607
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:59.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah now. Jerry waited until Karen was close. He then

608
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.599
<v Speaker 1>approached from behind with a toy gun that we talked

609
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:04.559
<v Speaker 1>about part one. He kept this in his glove box

610
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.599
<v Speaker 1>of his vehicle. Though the gun was fake, Karen didn't

611
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:10.199
<v Speaker 1>know that, and he pressed it against her and ordered

612
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:12.840
<v Speaker 1>for her to stay quiet and follow him, threatening to

613
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:18.440
<v Speaker 1>kill her if she resisted. Terrified, Karen complied, she climbed

614
00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:21.360
<v Speaker 1>into the passenger seat of Jerry's car. She likely believed

615
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.719
<v Speaker 1>that she was If she's going to cooperate here, she

616
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:26.960
<v Speaker 1>might make it out of this situation a lot. Jerry

617
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:29.039
<v Speaker 1>then drove Karen back to his house and brought her

618
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:32.920
<v Speaker 1>into the garage and basement. There, she continued to comply

619
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:36.320
<v Speaker 1>with his demands, clinging to that hope that her obedience

620
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:40.639
<v Speaker 1>might save her life. He directed her through stage photo shoots,

621
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:43.000
<v Speaker 1>forcing her to pose while he snapped pictures of her,

622
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:47.480
<v Speaker 1>demeaning her, posing her, putting her in different clothes. She

623
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:51.880
<v Speaker 1>just followed his instructions, doing what she could to appease him.

624
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:56.679
<v Speaker 1>After forcing her to comply with this photo shoot, He

625
00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>then raped her before he strung a noose around her neck,

626
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.000
<v Speaker 1>running the cord through the pulley system on the roof,

627
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:06.639
<v Speaker 1>and with three hard tugs, he hoisted Karen into the air,

628
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:11.079
<v Speaker 1>leaving her there to hang and die of exphyxiation.

629
00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, just like watching her die like that, most likely

630
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:20.800
<v Speaker 2>taking photos of it too. Holy shit, this is just

631
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:25.840
<v Speaker 2>too much. This guy is such a freaking nasty piece

632
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:26.239
<v Speaker 2>of shit.

633
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:28.840
<v Speaker 1>How many warnings did I give you for this case?

634
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Like countless at this point I told you, I.

635
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Know, but my mind is still just like blown by

636
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:38.880
<v Speaker 2>these like that. Just someone is like this fucked up,

637
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:39.679
<v Speaker 2>I guess.

638
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh, understandably because he is. And yeah, so he strung

639
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:47.519
<v Speaker 1>her up and she died there, and her body hung

640
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:51.159
<v Speaker 1>in the garage for hours more while Jerry continued his routine,

641
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:53.920
<v Speaker 1>even at one point stepping out to have dinner with

642
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:56.599
<v Speaker 1>his wife and kids, Oh nothing had even happened, and

643
00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:59.119
<v Speaker 1>then later returning that night once his family was asleep,

644
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.239
<v Speaker 1>he sexually violated Karen's remains and photographed her in different poses,

645
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:09.000
<v Speaker 1>prolonging his sick fantasy. When he was done, he tied

646
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:11.599
<v Speaker 1>her body to a scrap car engine and dispose of

647
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 1>it in the river much likely likely had done before.

648
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Each murder made Jerry Boulder feeling his twisted sense of

649
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:22.800
<v Speaker 1>control and invulnerability feeding Sorry.

650
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:27.199
<v Speaker 2>These poor women like they're just oh my gosh, I

651
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:29.719
<v Speaker 2>don't know, and it's just like the disrespect to them,

652
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.719
<v Speaker 2>and it's just it's just disgusting.

653
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really is. And now you understand why his

654
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:42.639
<v Speaker 1>case is so famous for it and why psychology students

655
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:44.760
<v Speaker 1>dive into this case. This is like a big one

656
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:46.440
<v Speaker 1>that they go through in courses and stuff.

657
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, yeah, it makes sense. It's like, especially

658
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:54.760
<v Speaker 2>if you're studying this shit fascinating but also just like

659
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:58.920
<v Speaker 2>so disturbing and terrifying. Yeah, liked it that too.

660
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:01.679
<v Speaker 1>To think that a human mind can operate like this

661
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.239
<v Speaker 1>is fucking wild.

662
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:07.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And in between, like he has this literally dead

663
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:10.599
<v Speaker 2>body hanging in his garage and his family isn't allowed

664
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:12.239
<v Speaker 2>to go into it, and then he's just going and like

665
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:13.480
<v Speaker 2>having dinner with them.

666
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeap, and then back to the body.

667
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:18.079
<v Speaker 2>That is some fucked up shit right there.

668
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Right, It's almost like there is two Jerry's. I don't

669
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:26.440
<v Speaker 1>know if he like exactly has like two personas or personalities,

670
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:29.440
<v Speaker 1>but it's very much so it's almost like there are

671
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:33.679
<v Speaker 1>two Jerry's at this point, you know. One I think

672
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:35.920
<v Speaker 1>is more of a mask for him, not like it's

673
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:37.360
<v Speaker 1>a real person. I think it's a mass that he

674
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.519
<v Speaker 1>puts on for other people, like the fake Jerry and

675
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:41.440
<v Speaker 1>then the real Jerry.

676
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

677
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:46.199
<v Speaker 1>So, now, by the spring of nineteen sixty nine, Jerry's

678
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:50.039
<v Speaker 1>confidence had grown exponentially. No longer relying on chance to

679
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:54.360
<v Speaker 1>encounter his victims, he now actively sought out his new victims.

680
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:59.320
<v Speaker 1>He began frequenting campuses of Oregon State University and Portland

681
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:02.840
<v Speaker 1>State Universe, watching and waiting for the woman who fit

682
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:07.760
<v Speaker 1>his ideal profile. He would do so dressed in women's

683
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:11.320
<v Speaker 1>underwear stolen from previous victims, along with other items from

684
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:14.719
<v Speaker 1>his collection. He would just sit in his car, stalk

685
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:18.800
<v Speaker 1>the grounds for hours and wait. His first target was

686
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:21.440
<v Speaker 1>that spring, and was a woman by the name of

687
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:26.079
<v Speaker 1>Sharon Wood, whose harrowing escape we already talked about in

688
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Part one. He attacked her, tried to abduct her.

689
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes she got away, yep, good good.

690
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:35.679
<v Speaker 1>So after the failed abduction of Sharon, Jerry tried again

691
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.519
<v Speaker 1>the very next day with a fifteen year old girl,

692
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:42.199
<v Speaker 1>attempting to put her into his car. This too was

693
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:43.320
<v Speaker 1>a botched attempt.

694
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:45.239
<v Speaker 2>It was this one I think was they got the

695
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:47.840
<v Speaker 2>train tracks or some shit, right, Okay Yeah.

696
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Frustrated but undeterred, Jerry kept hunting. The next day, on

697
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>April twenty third, he spotted twenty two year old Linda

698
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Saley shopping for a birthday present for her boyfriend. He

699
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:03.480
<v Speaker 1>followed her to a shopping complex, watching as she moved

700
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:07.360
<v Speaker 1>from store to store. When she finally returned to her car,

701
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Jerry was there waiting. This time, he used a different tactic,

702
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:14.159
<v Speaker 1>as last two times his tactics weren't working, so he

703
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.239
<v Speaker 1>switched it up instead. This time, instead of pulling a

704
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:21.840
<v Speaker 1>fake gun, he pulled a badge. He approached Linda with

705
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:26.599
<v Speaker 1>a counterfeit security badge, posing as a plane closed police officer,

706
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:30.239
<v Speaker 1>and he accused Linda of shoplifting, claiming she needed to

707
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:33.159
<v Speaker 1>come with him to the station to clear up this

708
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:36.800
<v Speaker 1>whole thing. I mean, Linda's confused and she's cooperative, but

709
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:39.480
<v Speaker 1>she's insisting she has receipts for the purchases and everything,

710
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.239
<v Speaker 1>and she's just like this is there, but must be

711
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:44.280
<v Speaker 1>some mistake. But Jerry's like, well, we'll figure it out.

712
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:46.239
<v Speaker 1>At the station, like, if you got your receipts, you'll

713
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:47.920
<v Speaker 1>be fine, it won't take too long.

714
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:50.519
<v Speaker 2>Then, well, yeah, and I feel like almost anyone would

715
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:53.159
<v Speaker 2>be like, yeah, let's get this cleared up exactly.

716
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:55.960
<v Speaker 1>So Jerry reassured her it was likely just a mistake,

717
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.840
<v Speaker 1>but she needed to straighten these things out, and she was,

718
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:02.000
<v Speaker 1>of course, unaware of his true intentions, and she got

719
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:03.280
<v Speaker 1>into Jerry's car.

720
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy.

721
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:09.079
<v Speaker 1>Now, as they drove, Linda did quickly put some stuff together,

722
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:13.719
<v Speaker 1>realizing that something just wasn't right. She began to reach

723
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.639
<v Speaker 1>for the door, but Jerry reached across her and locked

724
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:19.480
<v Speaker 1>the door and drew the fake pistol on her, warning

725
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:24.280
<v Speaker 1>her to stay quiet. Shortly thereafter, they then arrived at

726
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Jerry's home. However, a problem arose when he pulled into

727
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:32.079
<v Speaker 1>the driveway. Jerry's wife, Darcy, was home. Her car was

728
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.440
<v Speaker 1>parked in the driveway, and as they pulled up, she

729
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.719
<v Speaker 1>came out onto the porch calling out that dinner was ready.

730
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, okay.

731
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:44.159
<v Speaker 1>Jerry panicked, but maintained his composure, and he forced Linda

732
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:47.599
<v Speaker 1>to duck down in her seat just enough to be

733
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:52.280
<v Speaker 1>in time that Darcy didn't see her He called back Darcy,

734
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.039
<v Speaker 1>telling her he'd be inside shortly, and then after she

735
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:57.559
<v Speaker 1>went back into the house, Jerry tied Linda up in

736
00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:02.079
<v Speaker 1>the back seat to ensure she couldn't scaree. Then he

737
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:05.360
<v Speaker 1>went inside and ate dinner with his family, all while

738
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:08.960
<v Speaker 1>dreading that Linda might somehow free herself and run for help.

739
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 2>M M, I'm sure he was distracted as shit. Now.

740
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:16.400
<v Speaker 1>When Jerry returned to the car later, Linda was still there,

741
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:21.239
<v Speaker 1>tied up. Fortunately for him, Darcy, his wife, had left

742
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:23.159
<v Speaker 1>for the evening to spend some time with some friends,

743
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:27.000
<v Speaker 1>and left only the babysitter at the house watching the children.

744
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.840
<v Speaker 1>With the coast clear, Jerry brought Linda into the garage,

745
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:34.400
<v Speaker 1>the nightmare space, I guess, uh huh, where he would

746
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:38.119
<v Speaker 1>carry out his horrifying rituals like before.

747
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, here I was, I don't know, I can't remember

748
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:42.920
<v Speaker 2>if you've already like divulged what happened here. But I

749
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:44.400
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, maybe she'll get away.

750
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:49.639
<v Speaker 1>H No, Linda Sale, just like Karen, would not leave

751
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Jerry's torture dungeon alive. Linda, now in the garage, knew

752
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:59.320
<v Speaker 1>she was in a dire situation. She knew that this

753
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.280
<v Speaker 1>was basically a fight or flight, like a life or

754
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:06.079
<v Speaker 1>death situation, and she began to fight back with everything

755
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:10.760
<v Speaker 1>she had despite being a at a physical advantage. Though

756
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:14.920
<v Speaker 1>she clawed at Jerry, she bit at Jerry, and Jerry

757
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:18.760
<v Speaker 1>was now put on the defensive. She was trying desperately

758
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:22.760
<v Speaker 1>to escape, but he was trying desperately defend her off. Jerry,

759
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:26.760
<v Speaker 1>now struggling to maintain control, wrestled and managed to wrap

760
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:30.440
<v Speaker 1>a leather strap around her neck, and after an intense struggle,

761
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:34.440
<v Speaker 1>his size and strength gave him the advantage again and

762
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:36.719
<v Speaker 1>he managed to strangle Linda to death.

763
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, she put up a good fight. I guess

764
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:41.360
<v Speaker 2>ay she did.

765
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I guess the only solace in that would be that

766
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:50.440
<v Speaker 1>she didn't have to endure the things inside the dungeon,

767
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the posing, the abuse, the.

768
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, probably like the rape and everything that he does.

769
00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, with Linda's lifeless body, Jerry embarked on his

770
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:06.119
<v Speaker 1>now predictable at this point ritual of sexual abuse and photography,

771
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:09.119
<v Speaker 1>but this time his actions took an even more bizarre

772
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:13.360
<v Speaker 1>In macob turn, he played the role of mad scientists.

773
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:17.079
<v Speaker 1>This time he was curious. He clamped electrical cables to

774
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:20.239
<v Speaker 1>Linda's body and hooked them up to a outlet in

775
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:23.679
<v Speaker 1>his home. He plugged it in and attempted to make

776
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:28.679
<v Speaker 1>her corpse spasm, which apparently was unsuccessful. But yeah, this

777
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:34.320
<v Speaker 1>grotesque experiment added yet another layer to this horrifying, escalating situation.

778
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, his kids are literally next door with a babysitter. Yep,

779
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:45.159
<v Speaker 2>oh gosh, that is just so messed.

780
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:50.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Okay, Now, Linda's murder would ultimately prove to

781
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:56.039
<v Speaker 1>be Jerry's last. As we discussed in part one, investigators

782
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:58.840
<v Speaker 1>had already started connecting the dots. The discovery of the

783
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:02.559
<v Speaker 1>bodies in the Woolm River with similar ligature marks led

784
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:06.679
<v Speaker 1>to identifying patterns on targeted victims, specific victims with a

785
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:10.599
<v Speaker 1>profile pattern. Now, actually I did in part one call

786
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:13.840
<v Speaker 1>it the Long Tom River, which is incorrect, though they

787
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:16.039
<v Speaker 1>are very close in proximity and I think one flows

788
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:19.000
<v Speaker 1>into the other or something, But it's actually the Willamette

789
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:21.920
<v Speaker 1>River where the bodies were being dumped they found. Just clarifying,

790
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:27.360
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, the police, realizing the patterns, began to campus

791
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:31.599
<v Speaker 1>college students, where college campuses, where women were you know,

792
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:35.320
<v Speaker 1>currently being and it's his profile. It's people you know

793
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:40.199
<v Speaker 1>who he's after, So he's sorry. The detectives and investigators

794
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:43.119
<v Speaker 1>they're they're going around, they're asking questions, they're they're interviewing

795
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.679
<v Speaker 1>and trying to get a lead, and detectives, you know,

796
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:49.239
<v Speaker 1>struck gold when a young woman came forward reporting that

797
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:54.159
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Brudos had been contacting women and herself included cold

798
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.719
<v Speaker 1>calling them in hopes of arranging dates. Using this information,

799
00:44:57.800 --> 00:44:59.880
<v Speaker 1>the police worked with the women to set up a

800
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:02.360
<v Speaker 1>or sorry with the woman to set up a sting operation,

801
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:05.559
<v Speaker 1>and they arranged a quote date with Jerry, which allowed

802
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:08.199
<v Speaker 1>them to connect with him and bring him in for questioning.

803
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Once detectives began focusing on him, more evidence surfaced. His

804
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:16.280
<v Speaker 1>mother's car, of course, was identified as being a car

805
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:21.920
<v Speaker 1>that was used in abduction attempts, and he also matched

806
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:25.719
<v Speaker 1>the description provided by a survivor, most importantly fifteen year

807
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:28.960
<v Speaker 1>old Gloria Jean, who did positively identify Jerry as the

808
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.679
<v Speaker 1>man who tried to abduct her weeks earlier. With this

809
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:37.599
<v Speaker 1>mounting evidence, police raided Jerry's home and arrested him. When

810
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.360
<v Speaker 1>detectives forced open the door to Jerry's garage, they found

811
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:44.840
<v Speaker 1>a treasure trove of incriminating evidence. The incriminating cables and

812
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:47.599
<v Speaker 1>wires that they spotted earlier during their initial visited were

813
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:50.199
<v Speaker 1>collected for analysis, and it didn't take long to confirm

814
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:52.440
<v Speaker 1>that the knots tied in the cables and the cables

815
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.880
<v Speaker 1>themselves matched everything the legature marks found on the necks

816
00:45:55.880 --> 00:46:00.480
<v Speaker 1>of the victims. You name it. Additionally, the ends of

817
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:03.280
<v Speaker 1>the roles of wire showed cuts made with tools found

818
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:07.599
<v Speaker 1>in Jerry's possession. Inside the garage, police discovered the police

819
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:11.480
<v Speaker 1>system that was on this roof. Yeah, the same device

820
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:14.960
<v Speaker 1>that was used to string up as victims. Yeah. There

821
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:21.239
<v Speaker 1>were lockers filled with photography equipment, women's clothes, shoes, piles,

822
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:25.960
<v Speaker 1>and piles of glamour's shoes neatly arranged in a disturbing collection.

823
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:29.119
<v Speaker 1>They also found a list of phone numbers and addresses

824
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:33.840
<v Speaker 1>for sorority houses at University State Sorry Oregon State University,

825
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.719
<v Speaker 1>suggesting that Jerry had been systematically planning his next targets

826
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:42.000
<v Speaker 1>at these locations. The attic held even more chilling discoveries.

827
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Police found boxes of photographic negatives and prints featuring women

828
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:51.239
<v Speaker 1>in both clothes and nude poses, many of them sexually,

829
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:56.559
<v Speaker 1>suggesting suggestive I guess. Among the photos were several of

830
00:46:56.639 --> 00:47:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Jerry himself as well, dressed in women's lingerie, high heel

831
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:06.079
<v Speaker 1>and striking exaggerated poses. Now, I think it goes without

832
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:10.880
<v Speaker 1>saying that many of these photographs were not necessarily of live.

833
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.440
<v Speaker 2>Exactly women I was gonna ask, Yeah.

834
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:16.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, many of them were of the deceased victims that

835
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:20.239
<v Speaker 1>were found or people like yeah, and you can see

836
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:23.320
<v Speaker 1>like apparently it's like, yeah, it's obvious when you look

837
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:26.320
<v Speaker 1>at these photos these women are dead.

838
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:30.039
<v Speaker 2>I just imagine going in there, hey to like with

839
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:33.480
<v Speaker 2>a warrant or whatever and investigating and just like finding

840
00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:34.719
<v Speaker 2>all this shit.

841
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:38.000
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, that's what you uncover. Like oh wow.

842
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think. I don't know. I just don't think

843
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.440
<v Speaker 2>anyone could have been like quite prepared for exactly that.

844
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:46.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh. Even just thinking of that situation, like a fucking

845
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:49.480
<v Speaker 1>shiver went up my spine. Oh man, I can't even

846
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:51.920
<v Speaker 1>imagine stepping into his I think garage space.

847
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:53.199
<v Speaker 2>It would be mind blowing.

848
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh. I don't know if that's something I could ever

849
00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:59.000
<v Speaker 1>recover from. And that's just like the most minimal thing

850
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:02.199
<v Speaker 1>of this case, just you know, walking into his space

851
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:06.159
<v Speaker 1>and observing. Okay, thanks for that.

852
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Hey, you do that kind of shit to me all

853
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:09.320
<v Speaker 2>the time.

854
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:12.679
<v Speaker 1>So touche, touche. You're right, I deserve that now. The

855
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:16.000
<v Speaker 1>overwhelming evidence left no room for doubt about Jerry's guilt.

856
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:19.079
<v Speaker 1>From the knots and the cables, the Pulley system, the photographs,

857
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:21.559
<v Speaker 1>it all painted the horrific picture of the man who

858
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:25.320
<v Speaker 1>terrorized Oregon for years. The raid in his home marked

859
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the end of Jerry Brutos killing spree and led to

860
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:32.519
<v Speaker 1>his arrest, trial, and hopefully eventual conviction.

861
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, what the hell? What the face you just gave

862
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:41.199
<v Speaker 2>me made it seem like that's not going to happen.

863
00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm not going to tell you just yet.

864
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:45.920
<v Speaker 2>As it happened, I will like there is something wrong

865
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:48.159
<v Speaker 2>with this well, there already is something wrong in this world.

866
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:49.880
<v Speaker 2>But okay, carry on.

867
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, like I said, we're in a story here, right.

868
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:56.239
<v Speaker 1>It's called you know, like building, building up to the climax,

869
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:56.440
<v Speaker 1>you know.

870
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but jeez, there is no way, there's no way

871
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:03.119
<v Speaker 2>that this person can't get convicted. There's no way.

872
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the kind of is which we'll touch on.

873
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Don't worry, Well we'll get there. So Jerry's crime, of course,

874
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:15.119
<v Speaker 1>crimes a of course shock the nation, and yeah, people

875
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:18.199
<v Speaker 1>just didn't know how to process it. Forensic investigators and

876
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:23.559
<v Speaker 1>behavioral psychologists have studied this case for years now. During

877
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:28.079
<v Speaker 1>the investigation into his crimes, police discovered an odd maccabb item.

878
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:31.039
<v Speaker 1>Though still, there was one more piece of evidence that

879
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:35.000
<v Speaker 1>they couldn't quite wrap their heads around and initially baffled them.

880
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:39.679
<v Speaker 1>There were these warped domes of hardened resin. It appeared

881
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:42.039
<v Speaker 1>to be homemade, and it wasn't clear what the purpose

882
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:48.800
<v Speaker 1>of these objects were until Jerry confessed. He told investigators

883
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:52.519
<v Speaker 1>that these were resin molds of victim's breasts.

884
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, that's exactly where my head was, Oh, really

885
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:55.840
<v Speaker 2>take their boobs.

886
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But the thing is he had he'd made molds

887
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:04.599
<v Speaker 1>and these resin domes after cutting the breasts off the body.

888
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:05.559
<v Speaker 2>What the shit?

889
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yes, Jerriet hoped to create a metal paper weight

890
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:13.039
<v Speaker 1>in the shape of one of his victim's breasts, but

891
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:16.960
<v Speaker 1>he never perfected the composition to get it quite right.

892
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, here I was like, okay, like I I saw

893
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.679
<v Speaker 2>that coming ish, but then I didn't.

894
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:26.559
<v Speaker 1>But then I didn't.

895
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:30.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, okay a metal weight.

896
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:33.239
<v Speaker 1>A metal paper weight? Yeah, So he wanted to basically

897
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:39.559
<v Speaker 1>take a mold and like have a resin cast so

898
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:42.480
<v Speaker 1>then he can like keep it for later to make

899
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:47.679
<v Speaker 1>another mold and make a metal cast. If that makes sense. Yeah,

900
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:49.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming because I do a little bit of resin

901
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:54.199
<v Speaker 1>casting myself, and I'm assuming that I make dice for

902
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:59.119
<v Speaker 1>dungeons and dragons a little different, but yeah, so I'm

903
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:02.639
<v Speaker 1>assuming that's his pro Yeah, and a little fucked up.

904
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:06.000
<v Speaker 1>So as of now, Jerry was sitting in jail on

905
00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:09.480
<v Speaker 1>kidnapping charges. Remember that's what he was arrested on. Initially,

906
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:13.119
<v Speaker 1>was the kidnapping charges because he was positively id'd by

907
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.760
<v Speaker 1>someone he tried to abduct, right, and then there's some

908
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:19.679
<v Speaker 1>evidence linking him to that kidnapping, thus getting the warrants

909
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:22.280
<v Speaker 1>they opened the house. Now they find all this evidence

910
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:28.159
<v Speaker 1>for murder. So currently he's only being held on kidnapping charges, right, So,

911
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:31.280
<v Speaker 1>the case against him for the murders of form missy

912
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:35.679
<v Speaker 1>women continued to grow. However, because he hadn't kept photographs

913
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.519
<v Speaker 1>or souvenirs. Smith's first victim, Linda Slawson, and her body

914
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:44.599
<v Speaker 1>was never recovered. Unfortunately, charges for her murder were excluded.

915
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:48.199
<v Speaker 1>They could only pin three murders on him, and these

916
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:52.239
<v Speaker 1>three murders went to trial. The evidence against Jerry in

917
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:55.480
<v Speaker 1>those three cases were absolutely overwhelming, and as you're saying,

918
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:59.280
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be pissed if he's not convicted. But proving

919
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:03.800
<v Speaker 1>his guilt wasn't the challenge for his conviction. It was

920
00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:07.880
<v Speaker 1>combating the plea of not guilty by reason of insanity.

921
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, I was wondering, but still even that you can,

922
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.480
<v Speaker 2>I feel like still like go to like a hospital

923
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:17.119
<v Speaker 2>for your life and stuff.

924
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:19.760
<v Speaker 1>For sure, But that's still going to heavily wigh on

925
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:22.559
<v Speaker 1>what you're convicted of. Is he convicted of murder?

926
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:23.039
<v Speaker 2>Right?

927
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Is he convicted of manslaughter? You know those sort of things, right,

928
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:31.079
<v Speaker 1>there's a big difference. So in early June, during interrogations

929
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:36.480
<v Speaker 1>with detectives with Detective Jim Stovell, Jerry had been shockingly forthcoming,

930
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:39.639
<v Speaker 1>actually recounting all three s all the grizzly details of

931
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:43.280
<v Speaker 1>his six months sixteen months free. However, just three days

932
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:48.280
<v Speaker 1>before his trial date, Jerry abandoned his insanity defense and

933
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:50.920
<v Speaker 1>pled guilty to all three of the murders that he

934
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:55.360
<v Speaker 1>was being charged with. So, as a result, he was

935
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:59.719
<v Speaker 1>convicted and he was sentenced to three consecutive life terms.

936
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay, good good.

937
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:05.679
<v Speaker 1>Now, one month later, based on information Jerry provided, the

938
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:11.400
<v Speaker 1>body of Jen Jen Whitney was finally recovered from Wilmette River,

939
00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:16.079
<v Speaker 1>still tied to a railroad spike, and tragically, Linda Slawson's

940
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:18.159
<v Speaker 1>remains were never found.

941
00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:23.639
<v Speaker 2>So he did actually like divulge of some information then

942
00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:27.960
<v Speaker 2>of like where to find them? Yes he did, Oh, okay, yeah,

943
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:31.360
<v Speaker 2>which is it so interesting? Actually when you think about that.

944
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, when you look back on his life, anytime he

945
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:37.280
<v Speaker 1>was caught, he spilled.

946
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true. That's true.

947
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:43.159
<v Speaker 1>So he's he was caught. He did the same thing

948
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:44.360
<v Speaker 1>he always does, and he.

949
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Spills, right, But I mean these are like what he's

950
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:50.679
<v Speaker 2>caught for. It's like, oh boy.

951
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, little different than stealing a pair of shoes when

952
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:53.840
<v Speaker 1>you're a kid.

953
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

954
00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:59.199
<v Speaker 1>So now, Jerry's conviction seemed to close the case. However,

955
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:04.400
<v Speaker 1>there was one question that puzzled investigators. What role had

956
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.920
<v Speaker 1>his wife, Darcy played in all this? Could she really

957
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:10.280
<v Speaker 1>have been that oblivious to the fact that her husband

958
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:13.679
<v Speaker 1>was kidnapping and murdering women in their very home right

959
00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:14.400
<v Speaker 1>under her nose.

960
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I wasn't I was thinking so, yes,

961
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:22.920
<v Speaker 2>because she was with him from like a really young age, Yeah,

962
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:26.679
<v Speaker 2>and sort of like manipulated her. And he had these

963
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:28.320
<v Speaker 2>private areas and stuff.

964
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:30.800
<v Speaker 1>So aren't you gonna have some red flags with these

965
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:34.280
<v Speaker 1>private areas? Are you know? I hear screams? What about

966
00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:36.719
<v Speaker 1>maybe I don't know, seeing some blood once in a while,

967
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:40.760
<v Speaker 1>what about an odd smell? Is there something that would

968
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:43.159
<v Speaker 1>not have set her off that she just even turned

969
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:43.880
<v Speaker 1>a blind eye to.

970
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:49.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I feel like she's innocent, but maybe

971
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:51.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm totally out to launch here.

972
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Well, the following August, after his conviction, a neighbor

973
00:54:56.440 --> 00:55:01.639
<v Speaker 1>came forward with a disturbing claim. She art seeing Jerry

974
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:05.039
<v Speaker 1>and Darcy carrying what appeared to be a heavy rug

975
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:07.679
<v Speaker 1>from the house to the car on the same night

976
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.000
<v Speaker 1>that Karen Sprinker was killed.

977
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:13.159
<v Speaker 2>What the shit? Seriously?

978
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Now, it wasn't until the trial's timeline was made

979
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:21.199
<v Speaker 1>public that the neighbor connected the dots on the incident

980
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:25.920
<v Speaker 1>to Karen's murder. Now, based on this testimony, Darcy was

981
00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:31.559
<v Speaker 1>arrested and charged with aiding and a betting. However, the

982
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:35.280
<v Speaker 1>court found her not guilty later that year, as there

983
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:37.840
<v Speaker 1>was no concrete evidence to prove that she knew what

984
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:40.960
<v Speaker 1>she was carrying if that event actually occurred.

985
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's what I was gonna say. Maybe she didn't

986
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:44.039
<v Speaker 2>know what the hell was in there.

987
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Darcy's defense pointed out that Jerry had pleaded with

988
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:51.280
<v Speaker 1>her to destroy his incriminating stash of women's clothing and

989
00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:55.920
<v Speaker 1>photographs after his arrest, a request that she denied.

990
00:55:56.719 --> 00:55:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, okay, good.

991
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so prior to the police actually raiding the house,

992
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:06.039
<v Speaker 1>because they just arrested them initially, right, so it would

993
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.039
<v Speaker 1>have probably been a couple of days before they actually

994
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:10.360
<v Speaker 1>get a warrant to get in and raid that fucking house.

995
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:13.079
<v Speaker 1>He plead with her burn this shit.

996
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:14.079
<v Speaker 2>And she didn't.

997
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:16.639
<v Speaker 1>She's like, no, why would I do that?

998
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay? Good? I mean yeah, especially too because they have kids,

999
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:23.440
<v Speaker 2>right that they need their mom if she's like a

1000
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:24.719
<v Speaker 2>decent human, I guess right.

1001
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:28.719
<v Speaker 1>So, following the trial, Darcy moved to another state, filed

1002
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:31.960
<v Speaker 1>for divorce, changed her name, and she secured a court

1003
00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:35.280
<v Speaker 1>order preventing Jerry from ever having contact with their children

1004
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:36.800
<v Speaker 1>if he were ever to.

1005
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Be released, which should never happen.

1006
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:45.760
<v Speaker 1>Correct now. Jerry Brutos remained incarcerated at the Oregon State

1007
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Penitentiary for the rest of his life. His time in

1008
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:52.760
<v Speaker 1>prison was far from easy. Record show he was frequently

1009
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:56.960
<v Speaker 1>beaten and sexually assaulted by other inmates who despised him

1010
00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:00.239
<v Speaker 1>for his heinous crimes and because hey, he was be

1011
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:04.320
<v Speaker 1>fucking dude. And Jerry Brutos died on March twenty eighth,

1012
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:07.239
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six, at the age of sixty seven

1013
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:11.320
<v Speaker 1>from terminal liver cancer, marking the end of one of

1014
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Oregon's most notorious criminal cases ever.

1015
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow, there's just like so much to unpack about this.

1016
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that is the case of Jerry Brutos.

1017
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Huh, holy shit, the shoe fetish layer. Imagine that being

1018
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:35.280
<v Speaker 2>your debt your father, Hey, no, thank you, Like I

1019
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:38.280
<v Speaker 2>just couldn't. I can't believe that he has like children,

1020
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:40.599
<v Speaker 2>I know. I just feel like that's so sad for them.

1021
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:44.320
<v Speaker 1>It's super morbid and super weird. And I can't imagine yeah,

1022
00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:48.400
<v Speaker 1>growing up thinking that's that's what I'm related to.

1023
00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Like, you'd almost hope they wouldn't know, but they probably do. Yeah, damn, damn. Yeah,

1024
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:59.840
<v Speaker 2>that is that is one of the most like intra

1025
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:02.280
<v Speaker 2>sting true crime cases out there.

1026
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there is so much to this and

1027
00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:08.199
<v Speaker 1>it is so deep in that psychological aspect. Holy fuck,

1028
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:11.199
<v Speaker 1>you can dig, dig, like I bet you. Someone could

1029
00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:16.039
<v Speaker 1>spend their entire career fully dissecting this and barely even

1030
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:18.639
<v Speaker 1>touch the tip of the iceberg. Oh yeah, because there

1031
00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:22.440
<v Speaker 1>is so much to unpacked, and there's books, there's interviews,

1032
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:25.400
<v Speaker 1>there's documentaries, you name it, all about about him and

1033
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:29.599
<v Speaker 1>going into the psychiatri or sorry, psychiatric the psychology of

1034
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:33.039
<v Speaker 1>him and who he was and yeah, it's it's wild.

1035
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:37.039
<v Speaker 2>And here I was just like, this is a total joke.

1036
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:38.280
<v Speaker 2>But I was like, oh, I wish you would have

1037
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:40.960
<v Speaker 2>foot fetters in a way, because then I'd get feet.

1038
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Massages, feet massages, foot massages.

1039
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:46.920
<v Speaker 2>I do not get foot massages at all.

1040
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:49.199
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I don't like feet or gross.

1041
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:51.199
<v Speaker 2>They are kind of gross actually.

1042
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<v Speaker 1>Especially like I don't know, maybe this is something that

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<v Speaker 1>Hey instilled in me from a young age, because hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I had inger on tonails as a kid, and I

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<v Speaker 1>actually have like a couple toenails permanently removed because they

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<v Speaker 1>kept coming back over and over. So now I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I got ugly feet because I'm missing a couple toenails.

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<v Speaker 1>So now maybe it's just as an adult, I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>ew feed er grows because I didn't like my own

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<v Speaker 1>feet as a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now your wife is missing out on getting amazing massages.

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<v Speaker 1>Dang well that sucks for you.

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<v Speaker 2>That does suck for me anyway. Wow, that is that

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<v Speaker 2>would be like a doozy of a case to research

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<v Speaker 2>for sure, Holy shit, but also kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It was interesting and yeah, like you say, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>doozy and that's why I was up till two am

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<v Speaker 1>last night finishing off part two.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it makes sense, Yeah does it? Well, I was sleeping.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully that sleep helped get you through the story today,

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00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:48.679
<v Speaker 1>and hopefully you guys enjoyed this one, and hopefully you

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<v Speaker 1>had your your comfort drink and maybe you dogged by

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<v Speaker 1>your side who can help get you through it and

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<v Speaker 1>distract you a little bit too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So to wrap it all up, we have a link

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<v Speaker 1>in the description for pretty much every social media we got, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Hey,

1068
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:06.800
<v Speaker 1>it's all there, Patreon if you want to sign up

1069
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:11.280
<v Speaker 1>get behind the scenes and exclusive content. If you're still listening, yeah,

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01:00:11.719 --> 01:00:14.840
<v Speaker 1>you're supporting us big time already, and we appreciate that too.

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<v Speaker 2>We sure do.

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<v Speaker 1>We're an indie podcast, right, m hm, so yeah, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Puppy master points made it seem like you wanted to cheers.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I was kind of pointing at you. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>my cup is what I was doing. But hey, it

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<v Speaker 1>cheers works too.

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<v Speaker 2>We're an indie podcast. Yes, we are, just us. Oh shit,

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<v Speaker 2>I did it.

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<v Speaker 1>You did it.

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<v Speaker 2>You said just the two of us, just the two.

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<v Speaker 1>Not everyone will get that, but I'm pretty sure almost

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01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:44.119
<v Speaker 1>everyone will get that. All this is just the singing.

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<v Speaker 2>Part that I, oh, yeah, but you're just I screwed

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<v Speaker 2>up my own advice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Nicole doesn't like, well, it's not just us. It

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<v Speaker 1>sounds bad, well.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I feel like lots of times people are like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm just like a stay at home mom, or

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just this, or I'm like and then they're degrading themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so I yeah, but then I just did it.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah. But I think just has many meanings, especially

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<v Speaker 1>in the context with when you use it.

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, lots of times when people use it like that,

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<v Speaker 2>or they'll say something about their their job or something,

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01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:16.840
<v Speaker 2>but it's like it makes it seem like it's less then.

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<v Speaker 1>You know anyway, I also don't think it makes it

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<v Speaker 1>seem less, and I think it makes it seem simple.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess simple isn't bad. I guess I'm just to

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<v Speaker 1>stay at home mom. That's self explanatory to everybody. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a simple description. Everyone knows how to stay at home

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01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:35.239
<v Speaker 1>mom does right, you're raising fucking children. Mm hmm, so boom,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just to stay at home mom. Simple explanation just

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<v Speaker 1>means simple in my mind. We're just in any podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning we don't have a giant corporation pulling the strings.

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01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:47.119
<v Speaker 1>It's the two of us doing it all. It gives

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<v Speaker 1>you a simple explanation, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned in three months when we have this conversation again.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably so until then, stay wicked.
