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<v Speaker 1>It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Talk seven nine day, Now here's Nick Coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>As much as I enjoyed my vacation, it is nice

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<v Speaker 2>to be back. And there's no better reminder that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>back here in the Ohio Valley region than allergies, just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, saying hello in a very unpleasant way. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what it is, man Like when I'm here

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<v Speaker 2>for an extended amount of time, like I guess, I

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<v Speaker 2>get used to it to where it doesn't really impact me.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I just, you know, I get used to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I've been gone for a few days, let

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<v Speaker 2>alone eight days, like we were just gone and then

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<v Speaker 2>I returned to this lovely place that I call home,

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<v Speaker 2>which I do love it here, wouldn't want to live

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere else. Man a reminder of the watery eyes at

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<v Speaker 2>all times. My throat's scratchy. I mean, I'm not getting sick,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it happens. I now know that when I

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<v Speaker 2>come back, it's not me getting a bug or something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just my body. I guess needing to adjust back

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<v Speaker 2>to whatever the hell it's got to do to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>get used to these allergies that end the humidity like

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<v Speaker 2>it's really hot here. In fact, I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>hotter here than it was in Destined last week. And

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<v Speaker 2>didn't it rain like all week?

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<v Speaker 3>It rained a bunch till the weekend pretty much, and

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<v Speaker 3>now we're not expecting rain at all this week.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think, yeah, I mean it was. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I probably this probably vacation where I was. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>ways say unplugged, because you know, I've gone to some

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<v Speaker 2>places in other countries that if I don't have Wi Fi,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have the ability to do anything on my phone.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just there's that there's that little button on

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<v Speaker 2>the and I guess everybody can program their phone if

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<v Speaker 2>it's an iPhone, to you know, to have it set

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<v Speaker 2>up differently. But I just learned what turning on and

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<v Speaker 2>off this.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what this button's called, but basically what

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<v Speaker 2>it does is that if somebody texts me or calls me, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get notified, it's not you know, turning it

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<v Speaker 2>on silent. Yeah, it do not disturb, which makes total sense.

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<v Speaker 2>So I turned do not Disturb on on for the

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<v Speaker 2>majority of my time there, and it made it to

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<v Speaker 2>where like, you know, it didn't even show me if

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<v Speaker 2>I had a text message, I had to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the actual text message app on the messages app on

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<v Speaker 2>my phone to didn't see it. And it just, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know made it enjoyable.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it one of those things where you turned it

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<v Speaker 3>off of do not disturb you got bombarded by all

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<v Speaker 3>sorts of notifications or were they just already there and

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<v Speaker 3>you'd have to worry about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought my phone was messed up because it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't showing me anything and I didn't even realize that

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<v Speaker 2>I turned it on. So I did it by accident,

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<v Speaker 2>and a couple of days ago behind, I'm like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is awesome. And then there were a couple people that

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<v Speaker 2>I needed to talk to and I'm like, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess if they if they need me, they'll call me,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were trying to. So it worked out perfect,

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<v Speaker 2>and I now know, like if I ever just want like,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's uncommon to not be attached to my phone

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<v Speaker 2>for a variety for the for a good part of

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<v Speaker 2>my day, because I mean, I can be a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people can be productive on their phone, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure depending on what kind of work you do,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of career you have, Like you're probably using your

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<v Speaker 2>phone for work a lot emails, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you can do anything on your phone. To be honest

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<v Speaker 2>with you, It's more powerful than any computer you'll have

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<v Speaker 2>as far as the you know, the things they can

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<v Speaker 2>do for you, and the convenience of you've been able

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<v Speaker 2>to just put it in your pocket, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to just have my phone away from me at all times,

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<v Speaker 2>it just I would feel naked. I would I would

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, you know, I need to call the cops

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<v Speaker 2>or something. But having it, the ability to use it

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<v Speaker 2>when needed but not be hit up with calls or

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<v Speaker 2>text messages from people. Not that that are that are

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<v Speaker 2>bothering you, but like what, I'm a vacation. Even if

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I was gonna look at somebody's text message

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<v Speaker 2>and say, hey, you know, I'm on vacation this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get in touch next week. Hey I'm back in

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<v Speaker 2>town next Sunday. We can talk. Then they would be understanding, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy your vacation. But then in my mind, I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about whatever it is I got to get done,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is I need to do, or whatever POTENTI

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just things like that. So to have it

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<v Speaker 2>completely off without anybody being able to like hit me

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<v Speaker 2>up and distract me. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was awesome. I mean, I'm sure every phone has

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of feature. I just didn't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I turned on accidentally, didn't know what happened, but it

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<v Speaker 2>ended up being awesome. All right. It is Coffee and Company.

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<v Speaker 2>Fil Beth Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven to ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you guys hanging out with us, and as you

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<v Speaker 2>could expect, when I get back from vacation, I try

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<v Speaker 2>not to give you a show that you know sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like it should have taken place a week before. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do like to react to some things that I

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<v Speaker 2>miss out on, and I missed out on a lot

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<v Speaker 2>last week. The TVT was not disappointed to miss out

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<v Speaker 2>on that, to be honest with you, because of the result.

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<v Speaker 2>And I asked the question like leading into that potential matchup, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we're clearly gonna want Louisville to win. Kentucky fans are

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<v Speaker 2>gonna want like this, This is a rivalry matchup in

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<v Speaker 2>an event that none of us ever would have thought

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<v Speaker 2>would be possible years ago. And then sure enough, this event,

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<v Speaker 2>it becomes pretty popular and former Louisville players get together

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<v Speaker 2>to have a team. Same thing with Kentucky, and I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of felt like, hey, if they win, great, If

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<v Speaker 2>they lose, yeah, who cares. These are guys who played here,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, ten, nine, eight years ago. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>want them to win, but like, I'm not gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>experiencing that sadness that we all know when your team

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<v Speaker 2>loses in the NAA tournament, Like that sucks. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of wish I had that sadness recently because

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<v Speaker 2>of how bad Lois's been. But you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Like whenever the season ending loss happens and you know

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<v Speaker 2>it's over, like it's sad. So with this I'm thinking, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I won't be that sad. I'll be able

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<v Speaker 2>to get over it. And I did. But it hurt

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<v Speaker 2>more than I thought. And it's because for me, just

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<v Speaker 2>for myself only, I know a lot of these guys,

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<v Speaker 2>you know all of them, but I know some of

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<v Speaker 2>them known pretty well. I care so much about that

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<v Speaker 2>era of Louisville basketball gave me my first and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>only national championship I'll ever see at Louisville, which who knows,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they win more, but it doesn't happen often, right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's not something that you, you know, you can just

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<v Speaker 2>expect to happen every so often every few years. No,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I mean, it's hard to win national championships and anything.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, when I see those guys lose to

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky players again, like it, it's sad. It pains me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a fan, Like I hated it. I also feel

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<v Speaker 2>bad for those guys who really had nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with anything that went on in Minority Hall, and yet

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<v Speaker 2>because of the you know, that story itself, and that

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<v Speaker 2>NCAA investigation leading to Louisville having their banner vacated, all

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff. Like, I just hate knowing that

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<v Speaker 2>there are people who don't know much about these guys individually.

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<v Speaker 2>They only read the headlines. They only know that it

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<v Speaker 2>was all over ESPN because again it's salacious story. You've

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<v Speaker 2>got prostitution in the dorm room with college athletes and recruits,

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<v Speaker 2>like again, that happened. It's awful. So you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>know that there are some people that will, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that twenty thirteen team, wasn't that the team that you

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<v Speaker 2>know cheated with prostitutes and like that's nonsense, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>a Louisville was good and most of these guys had

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with that. So you know, I just

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted them to continue to keep winning in this event,

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<v Speaker 2>and not that it would do anything to change their legacy,

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<v Speaker 2>right because winning a national championship. I don't think he

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<v Speaker 2>gets any better than that as far as how fans

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<v Speaker 2>are going to remember a team in former players. But

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted him to beat the law familiar team and

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<v Speaker 2>they just they couldn't get it done. I mean, Eric

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<v Speaker 2>BLEDSOE don't know how that guy's not in the NBA

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<v Speaker 2>right now. He's he's talented, and nothing made me feel

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<v Speaker 2>older than hearing that he was in the NBA for

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen years and has not played in the NBA in

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<v Speaker 2>like two years.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Could not believe that. Willie coley Stein another guy that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe it's style of play in the NBA,

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<v Speaker 2>but that guy, I don't know how he's not in

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA currently. So it was a bummer to see,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought, you know what, this is great. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to, you know, be around UK fans. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in Destin, I'm on vacation, and the first person to

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<v Speaker 2>come and speak to me at the pool in Destin

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<v Speaker 2>the next day on Tuesday was a Kentucky fan letting

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<v Speaker 2>me know not to let last night ruin my day

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<v Speaker 2>because it's a beautiful day here and I've got a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful family. And I'm like, yeah, you know what, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're right, it's kind of nice to just be able

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<v Speaker 2>to come out here and not even think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, you just walked up and reminded me at

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<v Speaker 2>nine thirty in the morning. Thanks buddy. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>say that jokingly. He was very nice and wasn't giving

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<v Speaker 2>me a hard time, just just you know, just riven

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<v Speaker 2>me a little bit about it. But again, that speaks

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<v Speaker 2>to the rivalry. You know, this went from something that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people didn't know much about until here

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<v Speaker 2>we are, these two teams playing each other, shattering the record,

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<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff, right, NBA players there watching

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, it's high level. And of course what

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<v Speaker 2>happened after the fact, like when we play each other

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<v Speaker 2>in basketball, even if it is a bunch of former

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<v Speaker 2>players who hadn't played in a long time, mixed in

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<v Speaker 2>with some other randos that did not play for the schools,

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<v Speaker 2>if you've got that love, I mean, clearly there's the

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<v Speaker 2>connection to both schools there and when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>basketball and this rivalry, it's just different. If there's one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that you know does make me happy to see,

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<v Speaker 2>because I haven't had a whole lot of happy moments

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<v Speaker 2>when watching Louisville basketball play Kentucky in a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>is that there are levels to this, you know, hatred

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<v Speaker 2>that I think does make people realize, Okay, Duke in

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<v Speaker 2>Carolina great programs, two of the best ever, and they

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<v Speaker 2>are rivals and they've been super competitive. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes when you see the dust up after the fact

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<v Speaker 2>at Freedom Hall, the old Hawktua from Shinano Onawaku, and

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<v Speaker 2>you see guys looking like they're going to fight each other, Like, again,

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<v Speaker 2>what a good look from Nanu by any means, And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad to see that you did apologize, But like

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<v Speaker 2>the level of hatred's just different here, right, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>most heated rivalry. Man, this is just different, and it

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<v Speaker 2>is and I'm proud of that, but I wish Louiell,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, you know, had more victories on their side.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, in the last I don't know howver

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<v Speaker 2>many years something on the text line earlier asked if

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<v Speaker 2>cal dominance against Louisville, which though all those guys are

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, maybe that, uh, that was it. And now

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna see, you know, Mark Pope put together teams.

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<v Speaker 2>They're gonna be good, and I think more Pope's a

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<v Speaker 2>But man, like that guy's different. How about John Wall, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's staying in front of him. I don't care who

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<v Speaker 2>But they doesn't mean Louisville will start winning. I hope they,

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Harbaugh was asked today following Chargers practice on the

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<v Speaker 2>reported NCAA notice of allegations that Michigan is going to

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<v Speaker 2>get which, of course, you know, he got out of

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<v Speaker 2>there just in time, won a national championship. Quite clear

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<v Speaker 2>that they cheated, and it was quite clear that when

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<v Speaker 2>that cheating started, they got a lot better. But he

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<v Speaker 2>got the hell out of town and did have to

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<v Speaker 2>worry about it. Pulled at old Pete Carroll, who of

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<v Speaker 2>course did the same thing when he was at USC

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<v Speaker 2>then went to Seattle. But Harbaugh's response was this quote today,

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<v Speaker 2>I do not apologize. I did not participate, was not

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<v Speaker 2>aware nor complicit in those set allegation and those set allegations,

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<v Speaker 2>so so for it's back to work and attacking with

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<v Speaker 2>an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. What the hell is he

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<v Speaker 2>talking about? That's so Jim Harbaugh. So what I think

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<v Speaker 2>is wild is that this notice dellegations, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>is not official, like they haven't. Like it's a draft

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<v Speaker 2>and somehow somebody got their hands on the draft that

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<v Speaker 2>the NCAA is about to send to a mission about

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<v Speaker 2>to send to Michigan, and it does include their new

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<v Speaker 2>head coach, Sharon Moore, former Louisville assistant, who apparently deleted

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of text messages between him and the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who did it all, Connor Stallions, And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>let's be real, that's not a great look that you're

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<v Speaker 2>deleting a bunch of text messages before you turn over

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<v Speaker 2>your phone for an investigation. Or maybe he didn't turn

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<v Speaker 2>over his phone. I'm not sure, but either way, when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to I think there's not a person out

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<v Speaker 2>there that's not a Michigan fan that looks at this

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<v Speaker 2>and says they did not cheat. They were elaborate like

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<v Speaker 2>it was, and they weren't like if you remember how

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<v Speaker 2>how brazen Connor Stallions was, Like somebody found his Venmo,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can see him like buying in insane like

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<v Speaker 2>buying insane sets of tickets to games. Not because you

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<v Speaker 2>know he's a high roller with a bunch of money.

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<v Speaker 2>He's doing it because it's his job. They've been putting him,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in that position to go watch those games

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<v Speaker 2>Steel signs and you know, it looked like it worked.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll never know, like did they become a top

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<v Speaker 2>ten caliber team? Do they go from a top ten

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<v Speaker 2>caliber team to a top three team because of something

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<v Speaker 2>that we'll never know, Like just the actual advantage they

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<v Speaker 2>had is just impossible to know. But clearly they had

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<v Speaker 2>an advantage and they cheated. And I think because it

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<v Speaker 2>was so out in the open, everybody just said, well, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they know what's going on, and the NCAA

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<v Speaker 2>is not doing anything, so I guess they got away

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<v Speaker 2>with it. Well, now you have this Netflix documentary which

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<v Speaker 2>is about to come out where they're talking to Stallions.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to be his first time ever

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<v Speaker 2>being on record discussing any of this, and maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it made the incident a realize. Uh oh, we

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<v Speaker 2>just crowned the national champion, and word is that in

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<v Speaker 2>this documentary. He's not going to be super discreet about

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<v Speaker 2>what he did. He's going to be pretty open about

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<v Speaker 2>what happened. I mean, that's the noise. Who knows if

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<v Speaker 2>that's true or not, but you have to think you

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't go through with this being one of your documentaries

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<v Speaker 2>for this Netflix untold series. They I mean they think

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<v Speaker 2>thirty for thirty but on Netflix and honestly sometimes better,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're that some of them are that good. But

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to do this if Connor Stallins is

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<v Speaker 2>going to play like you know, the card of innocence

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<v Speaker 2>to where he did nothing right, Like why would it

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<v Speaker 2>would be terrible television? Like you would only do this

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<v Speaker 2>if you actually had him on record, maybe not completely

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<v Speaker 2>admitting to everything, but like discussing it right.

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<v Speaker 3>And what kind of trouble can he actually get in

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<v Speaker 3>at this point by admitting any of this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and that's the thing he never like they removed

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<v Speaker 2>him from. Like he may be bitter towards Michigan now

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<v Speaker 2>because they got rid of him. They had to, And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Harball's gone. I don't know Harball was this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>but like Harball's response to me today, I mean he's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of out there. But I feel like he is.

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<v Speaker 2>He's comfortable that he won't have fingerprints on it, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? Yes, and it's gonna end up

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<v Speaker 2>falling back on somebody else there, and if it's Sharon Moore,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, probably not a good look. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not gonna fire him, isn't.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so weird though, how everything just kind of got

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<v Speaker 3>pushed under the rug last season because Michigan was so good.

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<v Speaker 3>It's almost like the networks didn't And maybe the networks

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<v Speaker 3>had nothing to do with it, but it's almost like

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<v Speaker 3>they realized all the revenue was there because they were

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<v Speaker 3>having such a wonderful season, people were tuning into Michigan

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<v Speaker 3>football that they didn't want to prematurely end this run

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<v Speaker 3>that they were going on because they knew they could

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<v Speaker 3>win the entire thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember thinking to my and we talked about it,

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<v Speaker 2>how this is so clearly cheating and they're good because

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<v Speaker 2>of it, and yet there's nobody taking action to hold

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<v Speaker 2>them accountable. And I would ask myself, well, what can

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<v Speaker 2>they do right this stuff? And I just looked it

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<v Speaker 2>up like this broke like during the season, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to you know in fact, didn't he

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<v Speaker 2>get suspended or was horrible suspended for something else.

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<v Speaker 3>So this happened. Oh, actually, that's a good question because

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<v Speaker 3>I know he didn't he didn't coach the first four

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<v Speaker 3>or five games.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that was from something else.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe that wasn't related to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to see the exact day

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<v Speaker 2>because it may just been a timing thing to where

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't going to be able to like in real time.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, your game at Michigan State this weekend not

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<v Speaker 2>happening because we're investigating the sign stealing allegation. Maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>was just one of those things that, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>timing of it made it to where they were going

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<v Speaker 2>to be to finish the season if they won the

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<v Speaker 2>national championship. They won the national championship, but the NAA

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<v Speaker 2>was still going to take its sweet ass time like

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<v Speaker 2>it does for everything, and do their own investigation and

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, you know, hold somebody accountable. But when I

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<v Speaker 2>say the whole thing start, I mean when there was

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<v Speaker 2>news of it, like clearly it had been going on,

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<v Speaker 2>you know for a while. I mean says here that

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<v Speaker 2>NAA's draft obtained by ESPN states that investigation investigators used

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<v Speaker 2>ticket information, film, photographs, and interviews to determine that Stallions

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<v Speaker 2>had impermissibly scouted at at least thirteen future Michigan opponents

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<v Speaker 2>on at least fifty eight occasions between twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty twenty three. Like he was doing this last

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<v Speaker 2>year and then he got caught, Like that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So it may have just been where the NAA always

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<v Speaker 2>planned to hold Michigan accountable. I guess as best they can,

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<v Speaker 2>but like they couldn't in real time. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess they probably could have started investigating, but either way,

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<v Speaker 2>what they weren't going to have enough time on their

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<v Speaker 2>hands to step in and say, hey about that playoff

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<v Speaker 2>spot that you feel like you've earned not so much

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, which would have been stupid for them

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<v Speaker 2>to do anyway, Like it would have been terrible for

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<v Speaker 2>the event, like it would have been it would have

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<v Speaker 2>been dumb. But I can't wait to hear what Connor

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<v Speaker 2>Stallion says. But I'm trying not to get my hopes

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<v Speaker 2>up because again, like it may not be some like

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<v Speaker 2>elaborate plan, like I doubt he's gonna completely turn on

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<v Speaker 2>everybody and give names and but but you know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>a mystery. We've never heard him talk, so we don't

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<v Speaker 2>know his demeanor. We don't know if he feels like

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<v Speaker 2>he's been you know, if they've turned their back on

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<v Speaker 2>him after he was the guy out there boots on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground helping them cheat. But if I was Michigan,

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<v Speaker 2>part of me would say, look, dnstaa, they've never had

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<v Speaker 2>less power. They'll come in and maybe tell us we

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<v Speaker 2>got to vacate some wins from previous years. But who cares,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe you are worried because you know, maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>will take swift action in some former fashion and remind

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<v Speaker 2>people we are still going to hold cheaters accountable. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's just not a whole lot, Like the

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<v Speaker 2>reaction is pretty blah, pretty vanilla, because we all know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what they did and it was cheating. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>where it becomes interesting is knowing who was given Connor

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<v Speaker 2>stallions the assignment, who was given him money, that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff, And maybe we find out in the documentary.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we don't. All right, quick break, we'll come back

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side talk some more Louisville hoops as

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<v Speaker 2>well as this Coaches Poll preseason College Football Coaches Poll,

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<v Speaker 2>which came out earlier today. I've got some thoughts on that,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I need to take some of my own advice,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is to not get worked up about any

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<v Speaker 2>preseason ranking poll, and to be honest with you, even

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<v Speaker 2>the weekly updated poll that is the AP Poll and

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<v Speaker 2>the Coaches Poll. I mean, it's a reference point. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>we all love to see that number next to our

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<v Speaker 2>name and the opponent we play, right, because beating ranked

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<v Speaker 2>teams means a lot. But now that we have the

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<v Speaker 2>college football playoff rankings, I just I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like it would be more of a of a

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<v Speaker 2>move on. Nobody cares. But if it's your team, even

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<v Speaker 2>if it's the coach's poll or whoever's poll, if it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably gonna share it. But I don't know. I just

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<v Speaker 2>felt like Louisville would be somewhere between nineteen and twenty

418
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<v Speaker 2>five on the preseason Coaches Poll, and I don't think

419
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<v Speaker 2>it's criminal. That they're left out. I don't think you know.

420
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<v Speaker 1>They're.

421
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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to find the right way to describe what

422
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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting at here, which is that they're not. They

423
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<v Speaker 2>can't really play the disrespect card. But man, it didn't

424
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<v Speaker 2>seem like there's anybody that either remembers cares values last

425
00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:47.839
<v Speaker 2>year's success. And look, I know they didn't finish strong.

426
00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:51.519
<v Speaker 2>They got embarrassed in the bowl game against usc which was,

427
00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:56.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, not good, and they also did not have

428
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<v Speaker 2>a good showing in the ACC Championship game. It's like,

429
00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:01.920
<v Speaker 2>I know, all those things happened, but I didn't think

430
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<v Speaker 2>that would make it to where everybody's able to look

431
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<v Speaker 2>back and say, yeah, ten wins. But man, I still

432
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm not buying Louisville. And maybe people are

433
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<v Speaker 2>justified in saying, yeah, Louisville was a fraud. They you know,

434
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<v Speaker 2>they didn't beat anybody worth talking about other than you know,

435
00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame, who ended up not finishing the season that strong.

436
00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:22.480
<v Speaker 2>So you know, I can't say I'm totally shocked, but

437
00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:27.359
<v Speaker 2>I guess more than anything, I wanted to see the coaches, Pollar,

438
00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:30.160
<v Speaker 2>the apeop Pole have Louisville there to give me more.

439
00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:35.759
<v Speaker 2>I guess assurance that I am not getting expectations set

440
00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:37.960
<v Speaker 2>too high and that I'm not over hyping this team

441
00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:39.759
<v Speaker 2>because I mean it when I say it, I think

442
00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:42.559
<v Speaker 2>they got a chance to be really good. And not

443
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<v Speaker 2>to give you the same breakdown that I have many

444
00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:46.799
<v Speaker 2>times in the last couple of months, but I mean,

445
00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:50.359
<v Speaker 2>there's no doubt they're getting better at quarterback. I mean,

446
00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:52.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to act like Jack Plummer was the

447
00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.039
<v Speaker 2>worst quarterback, but I think it's accurate to say, and

448
00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:58.000
<v Speaker 2>I've said it many times. I said it during the season.

449
00:21:58.480 --> 00:22:00.359
<v Speaker 2>Jeff Brown won ten games last year year with a

450
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<v Speaker 2>quarterback who, in fact, was the weakness of the offense.

451
00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:05.240
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't terrible enough to where you had to bench him,

452
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<v Speaker 2>but quarterback play was not a strength of last year's

453
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<v Speaker 2>ten win team, which is just wild to say. Because

454
00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:13.599
<v Speaker 2>Jeff Braum, you would feel like, if he's going to

455
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<v Speaker 2>have a really good season and get Louisville to the

456
00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:19.920
<v Speaker 2>first ever ACC Championship game, you would just assume, well,

457
00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:22.960
<v Speaker 2>offense must be really high powered. Well, no, the offense

458
00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.920
<v Speaker 2>was good, good balance, but it was really led by

459
00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:29.359
<v Speaker 2>two really good running backs. The only two. I mean

460
00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Louisville is the only school that had two running backs

461
00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:34.119
<v Speaker 2>drafted in last year's draft, Juir Jordan and Isaac Grindo.

462
00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:37.359
<v Speaker 2>And defensively they were at a gas towards the end

463
00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:39.359
<v Speaker 2>of the year, but they were good. They were good

464
00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:41.599
<v Speaker 2>last year defensively, and they bring back some really good players,

465
00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:45.440
<v Speaker 2>including a preseason first team All American. So I don't know,

466
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<v Speaker 2>I want to create an argument with somebody that is

467
00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:51.720
<v Speaker 2>anti Louisville, because you know that wouldn't be beneficial for anybody,

468
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<v Speaker 2>But like, what would make you think Louisville, Like, if

469
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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna put Louisville at number fifteen or fourteen, which

470
00:22:58.039 --> 00:22:59.680
<v Speaker 2>is where I think they ended up in the final

471
00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:04.279
<v Speaker 2>College Football playoff rankings, was number fifteen, I don't understand

472
00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:06.519
<v Speaker 2>just not having them at all in the top twenty five.

473
00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:10.559
<v Speaker 2>Whenever they should be again, they should be, it should

474
00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:13.319
<v Speaker 2>be better. And again the only position where I think

475
00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:15.279
<v Speaker 2>you look at it and feel like, uh oh, we

476
00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:20.440
<v Speaker 2>could really miss these guys is running back. But I

477
00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:22.279
<v Speaker 2>think it's pretty obvious. You don't have to be somebody

478
00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:25.039
<v Speaker 2>that is studying, you know, the the U of L

479
00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:30.079
<v Speaker 2>football depth chart to know that with a quarterback that's

480
00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:33.440
<v Speaker 2>going to be better than Jack Plumber. A bunch of

481
00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:37.599
<v Speaker 2>options that tied in you didn't have last year. Two

482
00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:39.720
<v Speaker 2>really good receivers in the portal. Jacorey Brooks, who was

483
00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Alabama's top receiver two years ago, called in Lacy. Nobody

484
00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:46.160
<v Speaker 2>caught more, nobody had more receiving yards in college football

485
00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:49.640
<v Speaker 2>than he did last year. And you hope Chris Bell

486
00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:53.680
<v Speaker 2>can break out. Like so with all of that said,

487
00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:56.359
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to have a Garrinda and a Jordan

488
00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:58.640
<v Speaker 2>duo back there. Those guys aren't going to like the

489
00:23:58.759 --> 00:24:01.240
<v Speaker 2>running backs they have this year, like Donald Cheney Junior,

490
00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:04.279
<v Speaker 2>the transfer from Miami, Maurice Turner, who's the veteran, like,

491
00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:06.400
<v Speaker 2>those guys aren't going to be asked or needed to

492
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<v Speaker 2>do what Grindo and Jordan did a year ago. If

493
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<v Speaker 2>they can, it'll be great. And I think those guys

494
00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:13.119
<v Speaker 2>are good, by the way, But like I just think

495
00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:16.119
<v Speaker 2>on paper, if you look at Louisville, I would have

496
00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:17.759
<v Speaker 2>expected them to get a little bit more. And again,

497
00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:21.319
<v Speaker 2>I know last year is not how you base this stuff, right, Like,

498
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:22.680
<v Speaker 2>you can't say, well, they were good last year, so

499
00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:26.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna put them at this spot. But yet that's

500
00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:29.599
<v Speaker 2>what everybody does, right, Like, look look like the preseason

501
00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:33.759
<v Speaker 2>rankings usually are the dominant teams, right So here's how

502
00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:36.759
<v Speaker 2>it played out. Georgia number one, Ohio State two, Oregon three,

503
00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Texas for Bama five, Ole, miss six, Notre Dame seven,

504
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Michigan eight, Penn State nine, in Florida State ten, which,

505
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:47.119
<v Speaker 2>by the way, you have to get all the way

506
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<v Speaker 2>to number ten before you get a school that is

507
00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:57.079
<v Speaker 2>not SEC Big ten or you know, Notre Dame. So Missouri, LSU, Utah, Clemson,

508
00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:01.640
<v Speaker 2>and Tennessee are eleven through fifteen. Six team through twenty Oklahoma,

509
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Miami, Texas, A and M And

510
00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:09.000
<v Speaker 2>then you're twenty one through twenty five is Arizona, in

511
00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:13.799
<v Speaker 2>C State, USC, Kansas and Iowa. So look, I can't

512
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:16.640
<v Speaker 2>sit here and tell you Louisville deserves to be way

513
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:20.440
<v Speaker 2>ahead of Iowa and way ahead of Kansas or in

514
00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:22.319
<v Speaker 2>C State, although I do feel like they're getting way

515
00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:25.599
<v Speaker 2>too much of a bump from their quarterback to transferred in.

516
00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:30.200
<v Speaker 2>But either way, like they're whoever fills these out, whether

517
00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:33.960
<v Speaker 2>it be coaches or they're sids or the apeopole whenever,

518
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:36.559
<v Speaker 2>that's released, Like there are teams that people just clearly

519
00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:39.519
<v Speaker 2>throw in there. Yet Clemson at fourteen, Yeah, that makes sense.

520
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:43.200
<v Speaker 2>They're usually they're never terrible, and they're usually in the

521
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.240
<v Speaker 2>preseason top twenty five. So let me just throw them

522
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.440
<v Speaker 2>in there at fourteen. That fits. How about Oklahoma, you

523
00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:51.079
<v Speaker 2>know what, they took a step back last year a

524
00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:53.559
<v Speaker 2>little bit, but you know what, they're Oklahoma, Let's throw

525
00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:56.559
<v Speaker 2>them in there at sixteen. Like Miami, Oh, they've always

526
00:25:56.599 --> 00:25:58.960
<v Speaker 2>got talent. We can't leave Miami out of the top twenty.

527
00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:01.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's Miami, like there's a brand bump at

528
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:02.920
<v Speaker 2>schools get and I just don't understand it.

529
00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:05.119
<v Speaker 3>I always the same way we talk about how they're

530
00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:07.519
<v Speaker 3>always just consistently that eight and four, nine and three.

531
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:09.680
<v Speaker 3>So I think sticking them at number twenty five almost

532
00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:12.279
<v Speaker 3>feels like they're default setting for their football program.

533
00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:15.559
<v Speaker 2>And look, who knows, maybe this guy that left Duke

534
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:17.200
<v Speaker 2>to go to Texas A and M will end up

535
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:21.559
<v Speaker 2>having a good run there. Already forgot his name, he

536
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:26.079
<v Speaker 2>wasn't that memorable. I suppose Mike Elko, Like, they clearly

537
00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:29.640
<v Speaker 2>have resources, they bring in talent. Jimbo Fisher brought it

538
00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:32.400
<v Speaker 2>in and couldn't win. But like, to me, they're another

539
00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:34.440
<v Speaker 2>example of Okay, well they got a new coach and

540
00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:36.319
<v Speaker 2>he's always gonna have talent to work with because you

541
00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:37.720
<v Speaker 2>know it's A and M. They got a lot of money.

542
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Let's just throw them in there in the top twenty. Like,

543
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:42.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe I'm being a little sensitive to

544
00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:44.720
<v Speaker 2>Louisville being snubbed here because I can't really tell you that,

545
00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:47.039
<v Speaker 2>Like I know for a fact that they're a top

546
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:50.920
<v Speaker 2>twenty team, but usually I feel like if you come

547
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:52.720
<v Speaker 2>off of a ten win season and you play for

548
00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:56.119
<v Speaker 2>your conference championship game, and you have a coach that

549
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:58.799
<v Speaker 2>is respected in the world of football, I just feel

550
00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:01.519
<v Speaker 2>like Louisville could have been one of these scoals. Okay, yeah, man,

551
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:02.880
<v Speaker 2>they were a top fifteen team at the end of

552
00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:06.200
<v Speaker 2>last year. Ten wins, Jeff brom here two transfer quarterback,

553
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:08.160
<v Speaker 2>that's better than Plumber. Oh yeah, I'm gonna pencil them

554
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:10.680
<v Speaker 2>in at number seventeen or number twenty two. Like why

555
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.759
<v Speaker 2>did we get that bump? John? Answer me, Da, I'd

556
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:14.839
<v Speaker 2>be furious.

557
00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:17.079
<v Speaker 3>Too, because I think I'm kind of thinking along the

558
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:19.200
<v Speaker 3>same lines as you said in nineteen to twenty five

559
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:21.359
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think just based on and I know

560
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:23.559
<v Speaker 3>you said you don't want to base everything on what

561
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:26.759
<v Speaker 3>happened last season, but you mentioned the Jeff brom bump

562
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:28.839
<v Speaker 3>and just kind of the respect he's always carried within

563
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:32.119
<v Speaker 3>college football. I do think there's a certain level of

564
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.279
<v Speaker 3>disrespect being thrown at the Cardinals, and I think they

565
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:35.160
<v Speaker 3>deserve to be in the top twenty.

566
00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:39.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean in to say that you're not and

567
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:43.440
<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't factor in previous years, cause again, like fundamentally

568
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:46.160
<v Speaker 2>you just shouldn't. This is this is about the season

569
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:48.079
<v Speaker 2>that's going to be the twenty twenty four season, not

570
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenty three. But if you ask people to

571
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.000
<v Speaker 2>fill this out and give you their top twenty five,

572
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:57.920
<v Speaker 2>all they have to base it off of is the

573
00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:01.160
<v Speaker 2>most recent games they watched, which which was the previous season,

574
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:03.839
<v Speaker 2>So it's almost impossible not to factor that in.

575
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:06.039
<v Speaker 3>Well, then you have the recency of the fact that

576
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.200
<v Speaker 3>they ended on a what two to three game.

577
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:10.279
<v Speaker 2>Losing streak, and no, they won the spring game.

578
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:15.319
<v Speaker 3>And so like, And if those are the game, if

579
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.480
<v Speaker 3>those are springs that people are paying attention to the most,

580
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.759
<v Speaker 3>then I guess maybe if you're I guess this isn't

581
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.160
<v Speaker 3>the writers. I feel like the AP poll, between the

582
00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:27.359
<v Speaker 3>AP and the coaches poll, people definitely tend to favor

583
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:29.559
<v Speaker 3>what people say in the AP pole over the.

584
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Church, no doubt, because nobody really knows who fills these

585
00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:33.519
<v Speaker 2>out for the coaches poll. I mean, it's just a

586
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:34.839
<v Speaker 2>silly thing. See the coaches poll.

587
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:36.119
<v Speaker 3>They probably don't care.

588
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:40.640
<v Speaker 2>There's Oh, Steve Spurrier voted Duke preseason number one every

589
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:43.160
<v Speaker 2>year because he previously was at Duke. Like he just

590
00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:45.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean, so here, I am telling you it's not

591
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:47.480
<v Speaker 2>that big of a deal. It's not important, and I'm

592
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.359
<v Speaker 2>getting worked up about it because I feel like this

593
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:51.119
<v Speaker 2>is actually the year where, you know what, damn it.

594
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:52.519
<v Speaker 2>I did want to care about it because it would

595
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:55.000
<v Speaker 2>give us even more enthusiasm for the upcoming season. And

596
00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:58.559
<v Speaker 2>I just when you come off a ten win season

597
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:01.960
<v Speaker 2>and on paper, you should be just as good, if

598
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.319
<v Speaker 2>not better, even if that doesn't include ten wins. Let's

599
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.200
<v Speaker 2>say it's nine to three. Like, I just feel like

600
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:09.759
<v Speaker 2>the bump that used to be given to people in

601
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:12.160
<v Speaker 2>the preseason poll because of what they did a year ago.

602
00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:15.400
<v Speaker 2>For some reason, Louisville just didn't get it, and clearly

603
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:17.200
<v Speaker 2>as you can tell, it makes me angry.

604
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:17.799
<v Speaker 3>I'm angry.

605
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Nobody's sicked up. Yeah, I mean how about Indiana being

606
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:20.880
<v Speaker 2>left off for me?

607
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:23.279
<v Speaker 3>Of which they were. They were projected seventeen out of

608
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:24.680
<v Speaker 3>eighteen in the Big Ten preseason.

609
00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a bunch of losers voting for that. Yeah, who

610
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:28.119
<v Speaker 2>was picked last?

611
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:28.640
<v Speaker 3>Purdue?

612
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:30.640
<v Speaker 2>I think, Yeah, they're gonna be terrible, by the way,

613
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.119
<v Speaker 2>which again, not to go down that path today, but

614
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:38.119
<v Speaker 2>I'll always remember those that would on the Purdue side

615
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.720
<v Speaker 2>act as if Jeff Brohm winning there and giving them

616
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:44.400
<v Speaker 2>life and a pulse like meant that they have a

617
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:46.799
<v Speaker 2>good program, like meant that that's that they're a better

618
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:50.240
<v Speaker 2>program than Louisville. No, and the people on the Louisville

619
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:53.559
<v Speaker 2>side that would always bring up Jeff's record at Purdue,

620
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:57.720
<v Speaker 2>like get a clue, man, Like nobody wins at Purdue

621
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and has not won consistently at Purdue until he did,

622
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:03.720
<v Speaker 2>And they're gonna be bad. That's a that's a dove,

623
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:05.759
<v Speaker 2>for sake, Like, there's no way that's a dove?

624
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<v Speaker 1>Is it?

625
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<v Speaker 2>An all the oaken bucket? Back to blooming Bring it

626
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:10.920
<v Speaker 2>back to Bloomington, baby, all right? So we did talk

627
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:13.000
<v Speaker 2>about this earlier on the show for those that didn't

628
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:14.480
<v Speaker 2>get a chance to listen to a little bit later

629
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.400
<v Speaker 2>the Kentucky football stuff, right like they didn't get a

630
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:21.720
<v Speaker 2>competitive advantage whenever dudes were working at a hospital and

631
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.640
<v Speaker 2>not actually working, right like they were being paid for

632
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:27.039
<v Speaker 2>a job they weren't doing. But you know at the time,

633
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:31.480
<v Speaker 2>it's against the rules in Kentucky agreed to vacate all

634
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:34.839
<v Speaker 2>of their games from the twenty twenty one season, So

635
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:38.440
<v Speaker 2>technically Mark Stoops now has a losing record. He's gone

636
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.079
<v Speaker 2>from seventy three and sixty five to sixty three and

637
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:46.279
<v Speaker 2>sixty five, so it's not a huge deal. But the

638
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:48.640
<v Speaker 2>best season, one of the best seasons they've ever had,

639
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:50.400
<v Speaker 2>at least that I know of, and certainly one of

640
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:52.559
<v Speaker 2>Mark Stoops's best season, which I actually think this was

641
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.079
<v Speaker 2>their best season. I mean it now technically is tarnished

642
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:58.359
<v Speaker 2>by the record books, which again nobody cares. I can't

643
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:04.240
<v Speaker 2>give you fake in about the NAA vacating wins because

644
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:06.759
<v Speaker 2>I just don't care. No nobody really cares. If you've

645
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:09.599
<v Speaker 2>got it as ammunition to go against your rival, knock

646
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:13.400
<v Speaker 2>yourself out right, but when it's you, like you know

647
00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:16.039
<v Speaker 2>that it happened. You know that you watched your team win.

648
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:17.759
<v Speaker 2>And it's another thing like if you had a guy

649
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:20.000
<v Speaker 2>out there that was getting paid to play and you

650
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:22.000
<v Speaker 2>knew at the time it wasn't legal, Like is that

651
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:24.000
<v Speaker 2>even I mean, do people care about that now? Like

652
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.519
<v Speaker 2>that's now legal? So who cares? Like it's one thing

653
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.599
<v Speaker 2>to like what Michigan did. They cheated and they had

654
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:32.759
<v Speaker 2>an elaborate plan that gave them an advantage that nobody

655
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:35.759
<v Speaker 2>else had, and they went what looks to be through

656
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:40.799
<v Speaker 2>a lot of work to get great you know, shots

657
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:42.640
<v Speaker 2>of the signals, and they could steal it and use

658
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:44.359
<v Speaker 2>it at their advantage. They would, I mean there's visual

659
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.480
<v Speaker 2>evidence that you know, maybe it's doctored. You never know

660
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.680
<v Speaker 2>what AI anymore. But like some of the things you

661
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:52.799
<v Speaker 2>would see Connor stallions run over to the defensive coordinator

662
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.440
<v Speaker 2>like before a play, like clearly like he stole their

663
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:58.200
<v Speaker 2>signs and traveled across the country to go to different

664
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:00.559
<v Speaker 2>games to do it. That is clearly cheating. But like

665
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:04.359
<v Speaker 2>Louisville in twenty thirteen when they had their season vacated,

666
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.599
<v Speaker 2>title vacated and all that, like whatever they were accused

667
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:09.640
<v Speaker 2>of doing in the NC DOUBLEA case didn't give them

668
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>an advantage. Kentucky's players being paid for a job they

669
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.279
<v Speaker 2>weren't showing up for didn't give them an advantage. So,

670
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:18.119
<v Speaker 2>like my question is, are we gonna all come to

671
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:21.200
<v Speaker 2>an agreement that moving forward, like nobody cares about the

672
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.000
<v Speaker 2>NC doublea years later telling you that you did not

673
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:26.319
<v Speaker 2>win games that you know for a fact that you won,

674
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.480
<v Speaker 2>because Kentucky fans are gonna probably find a way to

675
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:32.559
<v Speaker 2>do it to you know, talk out of both sides

676
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:34.799
<v Speaker 2>of their mouth. But like that was something that they

677
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.880
<v Speaker 2>always used against louis Well, didn't didn't happen? Twenty thirteen

678
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:43.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't happen. I mean they were pretty consistent with that. Well,

679
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.200
<v Speaker 2>now are they gonna say? I England, their twenty twenty

680
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.039
<v Speaker 2>one football season is not up there with the way

681
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Louisville views their twenty thirteen basketball season. But it just

682
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:53.799
<v Speaker 2>as wild to me in this rivalry, how petty we

683
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.599
<v Speaker 2>are that like Kentucky fans now when they throw out

684
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't happen, they at least should expect a responsible Then

685
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:01.839
<v Speaker 2>you're twenty two, twenty one football season didn't happen, and

686
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:05.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's just it's so stupid, because again, we

687
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:07.440
<v Speaker 2>all know that these things happened, we watched them, we

688
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:12.400
<v Speaker 2>experienced it instead of as dumb. But I wonder if

689
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Mark Stoops was complaining about that or complaining a couple

690
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.240
<v Speaker 2>of weeks ago, because like he knew this was common,

691
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.680
<v Speaker 2>which wouldn't really make a lot of sense. But anyways,

692
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<v Speaker 2>we'll get to a quick break, we'll come back on

693
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:25.759
<v Speaker 2>the other side, wrap this thing up. It's coffee and company.

694
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:29.839
<v Speaker 2>I feel. Beth Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety just

695
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.319
<v Speaker 2>a couple of minutes left here before we have to

696
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:33.079
<v Speaker 2>get out of here and call it a day. But

697
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<v Speaker 2>some sad news that I believe the Courier Journal just reported,

698
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<v Speaker 2>and that is that former Louisville football coach Steve Cragthorpe

699
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<v Speaker 2>has passed away at the young age of fifty nine.

700
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:50.720
<v Speaker 2>He I believe was diagnosed with Parkinson's not long after

701
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:55.400
<v Speaker 2>he had left Louisville. But yeah, he has. Yeah, it

702
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:59.240
<v Speaker 2>says here from the CJ that he passed away Sunday

703
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.160
<v Speaker 2>night after battling Parkinson's disease for more than a decade.

704
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:04.960
<v Speaker 2>So obviously the tenure here was not a successful one,

705
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.920
<v Speaker 2>but he always seemed like a really good man. And

706
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I got a chance to meet him a couple of times. Nothing,

707
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:12.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, like we were hanging out and buddies or

708
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:14.880
<v Speaker 2>anything like that, but seemed like a really nice guy.

709
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.599
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I remember the last time Steve Cragthorpe's

710
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:23.800
<v Speaker 2>name came up was right after Muhammad Ali passed away,

711
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:27.000
<v Speaker 2>because I don't know how close those two knew each other. Obviously,

712
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:31.599
<v Speaker 2>Muhammad Ali a big UFL supporter, his son stuart'st UVL

713
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:34.239
<v Speaker 2>and was on the Baseball Pro part of the baseball program.

714
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:36.880
<v Speaker 2>But you know, he dealt with Parkinson's as well, And

715
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.760
<v Speaker 2>I remember cracked for going on ESPN Radio. I think

716
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:44.159
<v Speaker 2>it was on Sports Center to one of the two

717
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:46.519
<v Speaker 2>he was. He was doing some kind of interview kind

718
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:49.039
<v Speaker 2>of talking about sort of you know, dealing with Parkinson's

719
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:51.119
<v Speaker 2>because obviously he had it for over a decade and

720
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:55.000
<v Speaker 2>it's something that really ended his not only his life,

721
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:57.079
<v Speaker 2>but his football career as well. You know, when he

722
00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:59.960
<v Speaker 2>left Louisville in twenty and eleven, I think it was

723
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.800
<v Speaker 2>when he was let go for twenty ten, which every

724
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:05.119
<v Speaker 2>year it was he ended up taking the job. I'm sorry.

725
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Two thousand and nine is when he left Louisville, he

726
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:08.280
<v Speaker 2>took the job at LS. She was the quarterbacks coach

727
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:10.079
<v Speaker 2>for a couple of seasons, but then was forced to

728
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:14.079
<v Speaker 2>retire from coaching just because of what his his health situation.

729
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:17.239
<v Speaker 2>So very sad, very sad, young young it's a young

730
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 2>age to young age to pass away. So condolences to him.

731
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.280
<v Speaker 2>I know, despite the struggles, I know a lot of

732
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:30.400
<v Speaker 2>players really felt fondly of Steve Kragthorpe. So RP. All right,

733
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.039
<v Speaker 2>we're back at it tomorrow. You guys have a good

734
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Monday night.
