WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:05.519 Ask not what your country can do for you, ask 2 00:00:05.599 --> 00:00:07.480 what you can do for your country. 3 00:00:08.199 --> 00:00:12.039 Mister Gerba Schaw, tear down this wall. 4 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:16.519 It's the Rickachet Podcast with Beltieven Hayward and myself James Lylyax. 5 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:18.920 Today I from down to Eli Lake about national and 6 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:21.960 Downmouth for democracy going away, and about Gaza, What's next 7 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:23.399 and Eli's next new project. 8 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:27.280 So let's have ourselves a podcast in Washington. There is 9 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:30.519 a new sheriff in town and under Donald Trump's leadership, 10 00:00:30.839 --> 00:00:33.759 we may disagree with your views, but we will fight 11 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:36.399 to defend your right to offer it in the public square. 12 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:39.600 Agree or disagree, and trust me. I say this with 13 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:43.679 all humor. If American a democracy can survive ten years 14 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:47.560 of Thunberg scolding, you guys can survive a few months 15 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:48.439 of Elon Musk. 16 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:53.119 Welcome everybody. This is the Ricochet Podcast, number seven and 17 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:55.679 twenty eight. If you keeping score, don't know why you would, 18 00:00:56.320 --> 00:00:59.439 but if you are, then you know. This has been 19 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:02.280 a long, long, long series of podcasts that has spanned 20 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:04.519 human history as we've known it for the last decade 21 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:06.799 or so. And now we find ourselves at a peculiar 22 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:10.480 place where how do I put this? Well? We're missing 23 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:13.359 Charles CW. Cook. I know, I know, but don't despair. 24 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:15.840 He'll be back. He's just unavailable at the moment. But 25 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:18.400 you have Stephen Hayward and you have me James Lilacs 26 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:21.640 and Minneapolis, where we're due for some snow and apparently 27 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:23.920 the temperatures are going to go down into the negative 28 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:26.560 region again. We'll be waking up to eighteen below and 29 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:32.959 wondering why why why do we not sit in human 30 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:35.840 comfort where Stephen is today. Although I'm sure you're going 31 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:37.680 to tell me that it's a it's a bit rainy 32 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:41.959 or overcast or something like other California paradise version. 33 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:44.200 No, I think what you need to know is that 34 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:47.159 fire season is finally over at month's slide season has 35 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:49.760 begun in Earnest and this week, so that that's our 36 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:50.560 two seasons. 37 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:52.959 Ernest can in Ernest, California. That's up by Island Park, 38 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:53.280 isn't it. 39 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:53.599 Yeah? 40 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:58.280 Right, Well, enjoy your mind slip knot slide nod. Here 41 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:03.319 we are facing another Well, you know, I think you 42 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:05.159 described it when we were chatting before as a barn 43 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:08.840 burner of a speech I'm imagining. JD. Vance wrote that 44 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:12.360 himself and I'm also imagining Kamala Harris writing as a 45 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:14.560 vice president, writing a speech that she would give to 46 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:18.560 European leaders, in which she would, of course advise them 47 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.919 to be unburdened what had gone before, except of course, 48 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:24.039 for the legacy of colonialism and slavery. You burdened that 49 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:26.479 you be curid eternally. And it would be full of 50 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:28.919 platitudes about working together in the shared mission and the 51 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:33.280 rest of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the same blobby 52 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:37.159 EU trends national talk that we've been hearing for a 53 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:40.159 long time. This Stephen was different. 54 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:44.560 Yes, Well, I'm having flashbacks. Well, I'm thinking of the reaction. 55 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:48.439 I'm having flashbacks to the way Spiro agnew so angered 56 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:51.280 the media and the left. But I repeat myself. The 57 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:54.360 speech was to the annual Munich Security Conference, which is 58 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:58.319 a big deal for the international defense and foreign policy elite. 59 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:01.439 It generally goes unnoticed in America, but we take it 60 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:05.240 very seriously. I kept seeing excerpts of the speech on 61 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:08.280 Twitter this morning, and each one of them I kept saying, Wow, 62 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:12.840 he said what so he called out Germany for de industrializing, 63 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:13.280 and how. 64 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:13.960 Foolish that was. 65 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:18.800 He praised Flis stop right there, what has Germany done exactly? 66 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:22.680 Germany previously regarded as the economic powerhouse of Europe. They 67 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:25.840 have great industrial capacity in the rest of it. When 68 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:28.719 you say de industrializing, what does that mean? 69 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.599 Yeah, well so well, look, I mean the simple answer 70 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:34.680 is they embraced, starting fifteen years ago or more, this 71 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:39.840 net zero climate change decarbonization madness. And they've spent over 72 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:43.800 a trillion euros, well trillion dollars on this and really 73 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:45.879 haven't achieved all that much. In fact, our emissions have 74 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:48.120 gone back up and they've started burning coal again to 75 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:51.520 keep the lights on. But their electricity prices have soared 76 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:54.879 so high that a lot of German manufacturing has cut back, 77 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:57.840 starting to move out of the country, are simply shut down, 78 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:01.000 and manufacturing employment has plummeted in Germany in the last 79 00:04:01.039 --> 00:04:04.080 few years. And it's not just Germany. Britain has done 80 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:07.840 the same thing. Britain at zero policy has runous electrical 81 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:09.960 prices and speaking to my friends in Great Britain, they 82 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.319 have meters that tell them exactly what their bill is 83 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:15.960 right and the way that concentrates the mind on an 84 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:17.600 individual residential level. 85 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:19.360 And people should say, well, that's good. They shouldn't be 86 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:22.519 They shouldn't be using energy. They should be wearing sweaters 87 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:27.120 and sitting inside and you know, using the extra tallow 88 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:31.759 for candles. No, that's that's not twenty first century civilization 89 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:34.079 as we as we envisioned it. So they have to 90 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:35.920 cut back and they don't, and so this means, of 91 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:38.800 course a loss of jobs, and this means less economic 92 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:42.560 ability to fund the generous welfare state. And then you 93 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:45.279 combine that with other social presures such as immigration and 94 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:48.879 the rest of it, and you have a recipe for 95 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:52.040 a country that is casting its eye right word it 96 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:53.879 shall we say, much to the horror of the people 97 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:56.600 who believe that it would be another rote installation of 98 00:04:57.240 --> 00:04:59.120 a left wing center left wing government. 99 00:04:59.680 --> 00:04:59.959 Yeah. 100 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:03.279 Well, now there's three or four other amazing highlights of 101 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:06.759 the speech. He singled out Poland as our best ally 102 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:09.319 in Europe on defense because they spend the most of 103 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:11.800 any European nation on their defense. That was his way 104 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:13.759 of shaming all the countries that aren't living up to 105 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:18.800 their obligations. He attacked Europe for censorship and for being 106 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:22.480 election de nihilists. In particularly, he mentioned, you know, they 107 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:25.040 canceled an election in Romania because the wrong party won 108 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:28.000 and then my favorite part of it was I forget 109 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:30.000 the context now, but the clip I saw on YouTube 110 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:32.079 and I'm trying to find it in the text is 111 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.399 when he said, I say this with all humor, but 112 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:37.560 if we Americans had to put up with ten years 113 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:40.040 of scolding from Greta Thunberg, you can put up with 114 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.360 a few months of Elon Musk. And he paused for 115 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:45.879 a moment, waiting for some even just the murmur of laughter, 116 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.879 dead stone signs from the audience. They did not want 117 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:53.040 to hear this, and so had some other things in there. 118 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:55.759 And I mean he may have written it himself. He's 119 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:58.519 perfectly capable of it. I think I know who might 120 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:00.839 have written a large part of the speech, but it's 121 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.600 just speculation on my part. But there's a new day 122 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:06.000 in town. And by the way, second big speech of 123 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:09.839 the week where Vance said of the Europeans, well, he 124 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:12.199 give a speech on artificial intelligence in Paris a few 125 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:16.040 days ago, and essentially his message was borrowing from Khrushchev 126 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:18.199 in nineteen fifty nine. Essentially he said, when it comes 127 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:20.519 to AI, we in America are going to bury you. 128 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:21.920 So that was fun. 129 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:24.959 Did he did he pound his loafer on the table, 130 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:26.000 no Gold do that. 131 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:28.600 But back I did wonder though James, I thought, at 132 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:30.600 any minute now he's going to tear off his suit 133 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:35.399 and reveal his Captain America Superman crossover costume underneath. 134 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:38.279 Well, you know, given how the latest Captain America movie 135 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:40.160 is doing, perhaps that's not a wise idea. But if 136 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:43.040 he did, you know, if you did morphit with Superman, 137 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:45.439 you would have a you would have a nice archetype. 138 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:48.199 Going back to Greta Sunburg, we hear he You know, 139 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:50.879 nobody wanted to hear that, and they all probably felt 140 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.240 a little bit of a personal sting because they've all 141 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:56.480 at some point had to genuflect towards the goal of 142 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:59.519 carbon zero net zero, and Greta Sundberg has been the 143 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:02.920 joan of hoisting that banner as she walks around Europe, 144 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:06.319 flies bikes, I don't know, scowling at every scowling at 145 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:11.560 everybody and shaming them, shaming them. The thing is is 146 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:15.319 the reaction that they have is that somehow, and we 147 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:22.000 hate to psycho analyze people rooted in shame because you know, 148 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:23.720 while I think that there may have been a few 149 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:26.720 true believers, I think a lot of people sort of 150 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:31.639 made themselves believe that this was necessary to do. It 151 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:33.399 was a high minded thing to do, It was a 152 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:35.920 saving humanity thing to do. And the fact that it 153 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:39.319 intersected with the opportunities for more government power and state control, 154 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:41.560 well that was just a happy little frosting on the cake. 155 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:45.199 And in their heart of hearts they knew that this 156 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:50.279 enterprise was a fool errand as long as China and 157 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:53.319 India pump out. But they thought, well, I'm doing a 158 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:55.639 virtuous thing. I will be regarded in the future as 159 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:59.040 a virtuous person. And so on we go, and with 160 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:01.399 less and less and less, I'll be able to fly 161 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:04.000 to Davos. But you guys probably are gonna have to 162 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:05.639 have some carbon credits at the end of it if 163 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:08.800 you want to take you know, you know, some cheap 164 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:13.360 jet down to Betha. Is that it? I mean, you 165 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:17.839 can't say. But shaming them from following this children's crusade 166 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.079 seems to me to be overdue. 167 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:25.399 Oh well, absolutely. I mean I have three or four 168 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:28.720 field theories about this. One is I think the combination 169 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.879 of European guilt that goes back decades, not just German guilt, 170 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:36.080 The whole European continent has lost their confidence there. They 171 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:39.720 feel guilty about their past, right the culture repudiation is 172 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:43.039 Roger Scrutin used to call it, and they're sort of 173 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:45.440 weak minded. But then on the energy question, they're simply 174 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:50.000 illiterate about how energy works and they're unedggable. 175 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:50.679 It seems. 176 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:53.320 You can point out some basic facts about what's going 177 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:55.039 on and not going on and how it works, and 178 00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:57.960 they're just impervious to common sense. They're not unique. That 179 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:00.360 describes the governor of California as well. 180 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:02.679 You need to sit them all down and make them 181 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:06.720 watch a Billy Bob Thornton Landsman monologue is what you 182 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:09.120 need there. You don't need to send Jdvans over there, 183 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:11.519 send Tyler Sheridan over there to right. 184 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:14.519 I guess it does tell you something about what's wrong 185 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:18.480 with I know, although that's an interesting cultural marker that 186 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:21.399 you see a Landsman come on like it has. I 187 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:25.360 do think that you know, it's this isn't really new, 188 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:27.919 but the Thunberg episode was really a you know, blow 189 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:30.960 the lid off. Time magazine, remember made her person of 190 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:34.200 the Year for five years back, and you know there's 191 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:36.840 a meme that goes around. It pops up regularly on 192 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:40.639 social media and elsewhere, and it shows Greta Thunberg about 193 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:44.039 how she's this world celebrity. And that shows Judith Curry 194 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:48.840 of Georgia Tech, a well renowned climate scientist, lots of publications, 195 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:51.559 ran the Department of Climate Science at Georgia Tech for 196 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.799 many years, but descents from the party line. She never 197 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:57.519 gets any publicity because of course she dissents from the 198 00:09:57.559 --> 00:09:59.759 party line. And that shows you what's wrong with the 199 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:02.679 world that someone who really knows stuff gets ignored and 200 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:05.799 somebody who knows nothing has made a global celebrity. 201 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:08.320 You know. Part of that we mentioned before, the civilizational 202 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:11.360 self loathing has played Europe. So they never got over 203 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:16.720 World War One because that completely deal legitimized the idea 204 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:19.519 of nationalism, and ever since then, and of course with 205 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:23.000 the unfortunate events that happened in the thirties and the forties, 206 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:25.320 that compounded the matter. So we have to dissolve all 207 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:28.679 of our cultural identities into this transnational entity we call 208 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:31.000 the EU, the Common Market, et cetera, et cetera. I 209 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:33.200 get that, I get that, but at the same time, 210 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:37.679 it's been one hundred and eleven years and it's kind 211 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:39.960 of like having a thirty something in your basement, moping 212 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:42.279 about the girl he broke up with in his first 213 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:46.759 year of college. We've been hearing this civilizational despair and 214 00:10:47.440 --> 00:10:49.879 lack of self confidence for an awful long time. There's 215 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:51.799 a great deal for Europe to be proud of, and 216 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:53.759 there's a great deal of its culture from which you 217 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:56.279 can draw for hundreds of years in order to forge 218 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:58.879 an identity that they ought to be proud of. But 219 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:00.559 of course, the minute that you start to say that, 220 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:03.200 then people get very nervous, because then you're talking about 221 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:07.360 national identities and national identities or the whole problem. When 222 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:10.840 he singles up Poland, Poland and Hungary, which some people 223 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:13.679 may say is a less savory example, are privict examples 224 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:17.120 of European countries that are proud of what they are 225 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:19.759 and their folk ways and their language and their culture 226 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:21.759 and their food and whatever version of you know, meat 227 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:25.080 sausages they have. So yes, some spine would be nice, 228 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:28.399 Some spine would be nice. AI, how are we going 229 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:32.159 to bury them? What are they doing to cause them 230 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:34.720 to slide behind? On that one again? 231 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:38.200 Well, I think the Europeans want to control it and 232 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:41.159 regulate it and censor it, and you know, they're worried 233 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:44.559 about you all kinds of things, and essentially Advance said 234 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:46.399 is we're for this industry. We're going to be the 235 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:48.120 tech leaders, and you know, if you want to be 236 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:50.960 left behind, that's up to you. So it wasn't it 237 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:53.080 wasn't quite the cruiseev we will bear you. I just 238 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:55.480 stylized it that way because I think they were shocked. 239 00:11:55.519 --> 00:11:58.039 I mean, I know some European conservatives were worried about 240 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:00.879 AI and think there needs to be some kind of 241 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:03.799 regulatory regime, and I don't you know. 242 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:05.919 What does that look like? Though? What does a regulatory 243 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:07.240 regime on AI look like? 244 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:11.399 Well, it's some kind of censorship, I'm afraid, but censoring 245 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:12.399 what exactly. 246 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:14.960 That's where this gets so vague. I understand when they 247 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:17.039 say that there you can have censorship regimes from the 248 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:19.919 government that control information on social media and the like, 249 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:22.559 and everybody loves that because we can't have people saying 250 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:25.000 anything on the internet. My god, people would believe it. 251 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:27.360 You know, if we've got to go out there and 252 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:29.279 send the little bots to crawl around to make sure 253 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:31.960 that nobody is talking about COVID is possibly coming from 254 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.399 a laboratory, came from a sick panglin in a wet market, 255 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:38.639 and if you say otherwise, then you've been banished to 256 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:40.600 the to the to the dead zone. 257 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:42.559 Well, I think there are two things that you can 258 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:46.080 have legitimate worry about. One is that AI use as 259 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:49.919 you know, fancy algorithms to invade people's privacy. That's going 260 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:52.200 to happen anyway, because it's it's not just the things 261 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:54.159 for the Internet. The other one is, and I've worried 262 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:57.279 about this, is there might be some regulation of deep fakes. 263 00:12:57.679 --> 00:12:58.840 Right. I actually thought. 264 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:00.919 On this last campaign there would be some deep fake 265 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:04.000 videos that would come out of you know, Triumph or 266 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:06.799 hair or whoever, and we might believe it for a day, 267 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:09.559 and that could be quite disruptive and we're going have 268 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:11.000 to figure out how to deal with that. But I 269 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:15.200 think censoring preemptively the use of artificial intelligence to create 270 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:18.039 visual content is very problematic for all the reasons that 271 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:19.279 I think you understand. 272 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:21.360 That's true. But on the other hand, am I a 273 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:24.480 deep fake? Because if my cells replace themselves every signal, 274 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:26.159 you know, every couple of years or so, like that 275 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:28.320 ship a thesis and all that, maybe I'm a deep 276 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:29.879 fake of the man that I was ten years ago, 277 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:32.159 don't know. All I know is that when it comes 278 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:34.960 to your cells, let's talk about them. Your life, goals 279 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.120 and your career depend on your cells, right, you know, 280 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:41.000 constituting the thing that is you and your goals. Well, 281 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.320 they require productivity. Frankly, well, let's be honest. The aging 282 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:48.279 process not our friend when it comes to endless energy 283 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:51.799 and productivity. Oh there's coffee. Oh there's monsters, there's red 284 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:53.679 bull of the rest of it. But no, no, no, no, 285 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:57.120 you need something, something that's from you, not imposed upon. 286 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:00.759 And that's why we recommend qualitya sinultic. As we age, 287 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:05.559 everybody accumulates sinescent cells in their body senescent and I'm old, tired. 288 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:09.000 They're known as zombie cells. 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We're sponsoring this the Ricochet Podcast. And now 310 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:19.480 we welcome back Eli Lake, columnist for the Free Press, 311 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:21.879 contributing editor to commentary in the host of a brand 312 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:25.200 new podcast we're going to be talking about called Breaking History. 313 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:27.480 We'll find out whether or not that means that history 314 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:30.000 is sort of dtd D newsflash, or whether or not 315 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:34.039 he's being iconoclastic and smashing the old concepts. ELI welcome, 316 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:37.639 Thank you so much for having me. Well, we continue 317 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:41.720 to move at a great pace in Washington, DC. Breaking, smashing, disrupting, 318 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:44.120 I think is what somebody might call it. And the 319 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:47.240 judges are striking back and refusing to let things happen, 320 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:54.159 barreling towards a constitutional crisis. We're told, let's focus on 321 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:56.360 one recent thing. Checking my watch here to see if 322 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:59.720 they've abolished the Department of Educate. Nope, not yet. National 323 00:15:59.799 --> 00:16:04.159 in domand for Democracy. Yeah, that's how I who would 324 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:09.240 be opposed to cutting the National Endowment for Democracy? You 325 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:11.120 got a piece up with the Free Press and you 326 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:14.360 argue the signals quite change in American foreign policy. So 327 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:17.679 refresh us, tell us what's going on. Well. 328 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:20.799 The National Dominant for Democracy was created in nineteen eighty 329 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:25.240 three by President Reagan and allies in both parties in Congress, 330 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:30.320 and it's ours. It's an independent kind of foundation that 331 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:32.559 is not part of the executive branch. It makes small, 332 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:37.679 bespoke grants. In the nineteen eighties it helped let Well 333 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:40.720 Less of Solidarity and other Eastern European freedom fighters, and 334 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:43.799 today it helps all kinds of people in Iran and China. 335 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:47.240 There have been like all institutions and bad grants that 336 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:49.279 were made. It was one that was made to a 337 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:53.679 group called the Global Disinformation Index, which is you know, 338 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:56.480 I mean the entire anti disinformation industry we can all 339 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:00.519 say as a racket. And that got involved a really 340 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.440 dangerous thing with the state departments. I think it's called 341 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:06.319 the Global Information Center or something like that, and that 342 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:08.759 was really bad. But when you know, the president of 343 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:11.559 the NED who I interviewed, found out about the grant. 344 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:13.319 As soon as he found out about it, he ordered 345 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:16.359 a review, he severed ties with the organization, and he 346 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:19.480 has worked pretty diligently to make sure that the National 347 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:24.039 damage for Democracy does not not you know, funding these 348 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:28.400 kind of flim flam organizations that fight counter you know, 349 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:32.000 that fight disinformation or you know kind of this spoke 350 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:35.160 causes like environmental justice under the banner of democracy, which 351 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:38.519 I agree there is a kind of bloat in the 352 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:41.880 n GA NGO industrial complex. I think a lot of 353 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:44.920 that stuff is wasteful and stupid. But what any D 354 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:49.599 does is like they don't recruit people, they the people 355 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:53.039 come to us. It's basically like these are our real 356 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:57.079 allies into talitarian regimes and you don't have to be 357 00:17:58.119 --> 00:18:01.319 like a full you know, you know, five star neo 358 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:05.880 conservative to you know, just say I think it's a 359 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:09.119 good idea for some US money to support the green 360 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:13.079 shoots of freedom in these places where there is no 361 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:17.200 political freedom. That used to be non controversial, but apparently 362 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:20.359 now we are hearing that it's you know, you know, 363 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:23.200 it's an interesting kind of contradiction or paradox of an 364 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:26.839 argument because Elon Musk is argument, they don't do anything, 365 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:28.559 they waste a lot of money, so it's too wasteful. 366 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:31.960 But then there's a kind of ideological momentum coming from 367 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:36.440 the magaverse that says that they're too effective. They're responsible 368 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:40.640 for color revolutions and regime change. I support the color revolutions, 369 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:43.920 by the way, that's a wonderful thing. But training you know, 370 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:48.319 nascent political parties an election law, or supporting kind of 371 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:52.519 independent media is not the same as orchestrating these kinds 372 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:55.079 of things. This is an expression of the desires of 373 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:57.519 the you know, people in these country where there were 374 00:18:57.599 --> 00:18:58.599 these color revolutions. 375 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:03.119 Okay, couple of points. One, there seems there's this idea 376 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:07.359 that if an organization was set up for a good 377 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.200 purpose under Reagan, that it is therefore destined to be 378 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:13.720 with us forever. That you can't get rid of it. 379 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:15.559 You just simply have to keep giving it the. 380 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:17.880 Same I don't agree with that. I see we're saying, okay. 381 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:19.839 And the second point is is that even though it's 382 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:22.000 funded with you could say it's funded to help like 383 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:25.039 well Lesson, we all loved him and we all supported solidarity. 384 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:27.039 And the rest of it is that inevitably any of 385 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:31.759 these organizations will drift left in time and expands its 386 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:34.000 mission so that you will find the money going to 387 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:39.160 you know, to environmental or gender based advocacy or the 388 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:39.559 rest of it. 389 00:19:39.559 --> 00:19:44.039 That's possible, It's certainly possible, but that's not ned right. 390 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:47.880 I'm just saying that that under a democratic administration that 391 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:50.799 it's more likely. The third thing would be is that 392 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:54.640 surely before nineteen eighty three we had means, and we 393 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:58.359 had we had means institutions subterfuge with the rest of it, 394 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:01.079 in which we could get resources to people in places 395 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:03.319 if we need, if we thought there was some good 396 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:05.519 skull dougre that needed to be done well. 397 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:09.599 The CIA used to support political parties in post war 398 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:12.680 Europe right to make sure the Communists didn't take over, 399 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:16.519 and does that mean then that But that's not what 400 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:18.720 the NED does. It's like, this is there was one 401 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:22.079