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<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Tony Gerderman, here as always with With Tom Orr. Tom,

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<v Speaker 2>how's it going?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Tony, there was only like seven seconds into the

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<v Speaker 3>show or so before I remembered. Oh, I should put

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<v Speaker 3>the microphone on. So now I'm great. Earlier, not as prepared.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, now. We're to live in the moment, Tony. We're

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<v Speaker 4>not here to talk about the past.

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<v Speaker 5>You put the professional in professional, just so you know.

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<v Speaker 4>The fest in professional, yes.

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<v Speaker 5>So we were here at interviews with the seven captains.

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<v Speaker 2>Here at Ohio State tonight and the one thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I left with is the only thing that I tweeted

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<v Speaker 2>from this and it's not the only thing I took

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<v Speaker 2>from this.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a lot that was interesting but the thing

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<v Speaker 3>that you tweeted from this that I looked over at

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<v Speaker 3>you and said well gonna have to do a show

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<v Speaker 3>on that before we leave.

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<v Speaker 2>And here we are we're doing a show on it

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<v Speaker 2>and that was Jeremiah Smith was asked about Legend Bay

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<v Speaker 2>losing his black stripe and what does that mean for

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<v Speaker 2>the offense and he said it's big for the offense

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<v Speaker 2>and And then he recounted a story of like, he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was, I was talking to Luke Montgomery

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<v Speaker 2>back in the spring. And I told Luke that before

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<v Speaker 2>Legend Bay leaves Ohio State, he's either going to win

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<v Speaker 2>the Heisman or be a finalist. And I had one

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<v Speaker 2>of those, a very nice accomplishment for anybody, but especially

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<v Speaker 2>at Ohio State, it's hard to say like you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to win the Heisman because there've been so many finalists

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<v Speaker 2>and you know how hard it is to win the Heisman.

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<v Speaker 5>But what a statement from.

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<v Speaker 2>A guy who, who very well could be the Heisman

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<v Speaker 2>winner or a finalist this year, the best receiver in

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State history, saying, this guy is doing some things

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<v Speaker 2>that people don't realize yet, but they will.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is a little bit of a takes-one-to-no-one, you know, brackets, complimentary,

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<v Speaker 3>as opposed to the usual way that's used, where, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of us in Jeremiah Smith's true

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<v Speaker 3>freshman season were saying, so, get ready to speak Times Square, buddy, and...

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<v Speaker 3>you've seen that what that looks like then. And he

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<v Speaker 3>has been, I think he was a finalist.

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<v Speaker 4>Two years ago, right?

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<v Speaker 5>I thought I was thinking so.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he was a finalist as a true freshman

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<v Speaker 3>and was like fifth place last year, but either way,

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<v Speaker 3>obviously close enough to that conversation to be aware of

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<v Speaker 3>what it takes to get into that conversation. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>stuff that is really, you know, we get, there's like

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<v Speaker 3>different tiers of how meaningful all this stuff is. And it's,

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<v Speaker 3>If I ask you specifically about this player, tell me

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<v Speaker 3>about this player, and you're going to tell me that

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<v Speaker 3>he's a great guy, and he works really hard, and

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<v Speaker 3>he's putting in a lot of work, and he's really

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<v Speaker 3>studying hard, and everyone likes him, and his breath smells great,

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<v Speaker 3>and whatever. When you ask me about a guy from subgroup,

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<v Speaker 3>freshman class, wide receiver room, who surprised you, and you

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<v Speaker 3>tell me something, and you name a name, that's more

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<v Speaker 3>meaningful to me. Because if I ask you about a

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<v Speaker 3>specific guy, you're not going to be like, that guy stinks. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>no one since Denzel Burke, and even before Denzel Burke,

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<v Speaker 3>there weren't many that would be real straightforward with you.

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<v Speaker 3>If you get named in a group like that, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>that's okay. If you're talking to teammates about that away

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<v Speaker 3>from us, and then later feel so confident about that

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<v Speaker 3>six months later... that you're sharing this as an amusing

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<v Speaker 3>anecdote with us, and you're someone who has been there

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<v Speaker 3>and done that and knows what it takes to get there,

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<v Speaker 3>that's when you're like, okay, that is the highest tier

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<v Speaker 3>of teammate to teammate company.

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<v Speaker 2>And Jeremiah also saw Julian Sayen be a Heisman finalist.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's completely different.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you said, if somebody were to ask, Jeremiah,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think Legend Bay could win the Heisman one

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<v Speaker 2>day or be a finalist?

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<v Speaker 5>Of course. But then when it's volunteered forward like that is.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked about the expectations for him this year. Got

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<v Speaker 2>the slow start in fall camp. Ends up losing his

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<v Speaker 2>black stripe in the past week. That's a very good

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<v Speaker 2>sign that he is in the good graces.

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<v Speaker 5>Because, again, you lose your black stripe, you are a bucca.

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<v Speaker 5>And nobody that is like, you know, wishy-washy on. They're like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, he's... We've.

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<v Speaker 2>Seen guys that don't lose it until their redshirt freshman year.

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<v Speaker 2>A guy named Joe Burrow. Famously not very good.

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<v Speaker 4>Never did much at Ohio State, did he? I mean.

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<v Speaker 5>We don't need to relitigate the past, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Losing the black stripe, getting back into good graces, and

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<v Speaker 2>everybody celebrates it when it happens. And we said, gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>back in March, you know, like how many touches? Five

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<v Speaker 2>to eight, something like that. As a true freshman, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they want to get him involved in. Special teams,

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<v Speaker 2>pass catching, running the ball.

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<v Speaker 5>Nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen since, heard since, lends me to believe that's

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<v Speaker 2>still not the plan. The biggest question has always been, how?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you get those many touches? It's never been like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's good enough.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>It has been away from the field stuff. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you missed the first two practices of the fall for

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<v Speaker 3>disciplinary reasons. And this was not like a crime or anything.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just like silly freshman stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And.

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<v Speaker 3>But silly freshman stuff can... That's one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 3>that freshmen don't play. The fact that he lost his

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<v Speaker 3>black stripe is a pretty good indication that he has

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<v Speaker 3>learned the lesson from the silly freshman stuff and has

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<v Speaker 3>not repeated that mistake and has been doing what he

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<v Speaker 3>needs to do. We were being told by people relatively

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<v Speaker 3>high up in the program, like, I mean, like, glowing

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<v Speaker 3>things about him, even before spring ball.

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<v Speaker 4>Glowing things about him.

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<v Speaker 1>And.

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<v Speaker 3>Then he showed up for spring ball. He had the

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<v Speaker 3>high expectations. Everyone's excited. And then he just, like, tweaks

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<v Speaker 3>his hamstring. It's nothing major, but it's just enough to

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<v Speaker 3>keep him off the field. And then right before fall practice,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, just a silly mistake. Nothing major, but just

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<v Speaker 3>enough to keep him off the field for the first

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<v Speaker 3>couple days of fall practice. So it was kind of like,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, it doesn't take that much. There's lots of

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<v Speaker 3>ways for a talented freshman to not get on the field.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels like he's leaving a lot of that stuff behind,

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<v Speaker 3>and now he's back in, you know, sort of on

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<v Speaker 3>track to get on the field early. And, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>five to eight touches a game, as you said, that's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>That's Jeremiah Smith. Yeah, right. You're a running back. You're

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<v Speaker 4>going to get, you know, but you've got Bo Jackson.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got Isaiah West. You're not the only guy who's

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<v Speaker 3>going to get carries. Jacoby Jackson is probably going to

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<v Speaker 3>get some carries. So you might give him a couple

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<v Speaker 3>in the run game. You throw him the ball once

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<v Speaker 3>or twice. Do you trust him in the kick game?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you trust him to go back and return kicks

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<v Speaker 5>I'm wondering.

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<v Speaker 2>Kickoffs, for certain. I wonder, because they have given him

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<v Speaker 2>some shot at punt returner. I'm wondering if part of

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<v Speaker 2>this black stripe is because he's done so well in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of protecting the ball.

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<v Speaker 5>And that aspect as well.

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<v Speaker 4>You have to check all the boxes.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't be like, well, you know, his grades are

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<v Speaker 3>really good, but he's putting the ball on the ground

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<v Speaker 3>in practice. But, you know, the grades, black stripe, like

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<v Speaker 3>you got to check all the boxes.

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<v Speaker 5>He's trying not to fumble. Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Working really hard on not fumbling.

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<v Speaker 3>He looks really disappointed when he puts the ball in.

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<v Speaker 4>Like that doesn't, that does not fly.

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<v Speaker 5>He takes the lap full speed.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. No, you have.

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<v Speaker 3>To, you've got to be doing everything right. Because like

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<v Speaker 3>you said, There are plenty of guys who turn out

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<v Speaker 3>to be perfectly good players at Ohio State who don't

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<v Speaker 3>lose their black stripe until October of their freshman year.

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<v Speaker 4>Spring of their, you know, spring following their freshman year.

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<v Speaker 3>Plenty of guys who end up being contributors, regular starters here.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not something that it's like, you know, everybody

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<v Speaker 3>gets a trophy, everybody loses their black stripe before the

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<v Speaker 3>first game.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, no, no, no, no, no. If you get it

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<v Speaker 4>off before the first game, you are earning that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's why it's going to be fascinating to

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<v Speaker 2>see who all plays against Texas. And as you said, that's,

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<v Speaker 2>that's when you, you will know how the coaches feel

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<v Speaker 2>about those players and how much they trust them on

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<v Speaker 2>the road there. So what would a Heisman season Heisman

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<v Speaker 2>finalism finalist season look like.

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<v Speaker 5>For legend Bay?

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<v Speaker 2>Cause I'm thinking like a Curtis Samuel, but not more

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<v Speaker 2>running than catching, you know, cause Curtis Samuel had like

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<v Speaker 2>70 catches for like 800 yards.

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't think that's the case. We'll see with

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<v Speaker 5>legend Bay. Um, But as you know, there's also going

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<v Speaker 5>to be some special teams in there. But is this

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<v Speaker 5>like just an overall, does he have to rush for 1,000 yards?

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<v Speaker 5>Does it have to be like 1,200 or 1,300 yards?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is this such an encompassing lightning kind of big

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<v Speaker 2>plays everywhere? Like he is dangerous, like.

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<v Speaker 5>A Devin Hester.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know he's the best personal player on the field,

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<v Speaker 2>whether the numbers are there or not.

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<v Speaker 3>It's probably a highlight reel driven thing because he's not–

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<v Speaker 3>He's not right now someone who you look at and

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<v Speaker 3>you go, yeah, that guy can take 23 carries a

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<v Speaker 3>game in the Big Ten. He's not going to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to do that. So you've got to work around

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<v Speaker 3>that a little bit. And so that's probably... And we're

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<v Speaker 3>not talking about this year. This is not a 2026

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<v Speaker 3>Heisman Finalist Legend Bay. This is 2027, 2028, whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Eight carries and five catches and a couple punt returns

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<v Speaker 3>and a couple kick returns and... And then you're putting

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<v Speaker 3>out stats that are, you know, 2,300 total yards and

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<v Speaker 3>17 touchdowns accounted for in four different ways.

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<v Speaker 4>And then he throws the ball too. And then, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And you get, you get the Eric crouch Memorial. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>our quarterback caught a touchdown pass. Like it's on the

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<v Speaker 3>other way. It's like, Oh look, it's the row. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>our running back for a touchdown pass. Isn't that wild.

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<v Speaker 3>And like, if he can kick, we'll find out he'll get,

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<v Speaker 3>he'll kick extra point, like whatever. Like it's, That's the

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<v Speaker 3>kind of stuff you're going to have to do because

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<v Speaker 3>it's not going to just be a sheer numbers case

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<v Speaker 3>where it's, you know, like J.K. Dobbins where it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>he ran for 2,000 yards. It's probably not going to

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<v Speaker 3>happen that way. You're going to have to do it

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<v Speaker 3>in a little bit of a different shape.

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<v Speaker 5>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations to Legend Bay, future Heisman finalist at the very least.

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<v Speaker 4>Put a year on it, Tony. Coward.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I would say 2028. Or, I mean, there's 2029. 2029.

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<v Speaker 5>There's 2030. We can go on and on.

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<v Speaker 3>I would imagine the number of players who are projected

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<v Speaker 3>as true freshmen, as Heisman finalists, by other Heisman finalists

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<v Speaker 3>in their true freshman season, the overlap between that and

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<v Speaker 3>five-year players, probably not extremely high, but, you know, maybe.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>And remember, Jeremiah Smith said this back in the spring.

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<v Speaker 5>We didn't get to see a lot of Legend Bay.

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<v Speaker 5>They saw enough. He saw enough. This guy.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go, some thoughts on Legend Bay, and

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<v Speaker 2>mainly some thoughts on what Jeremiah Smith thinks of him.

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<v Speaker 5>What do you guys think? Throw it in the comments,

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<v Speaker 2>And, of course, we are talking about this, believe me,

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<v Speaker 2>over on the Buckeye Insiders message board. You can find

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<v Speaker 2>us at BuckeyeInsiders.com. We'd love to see you there. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you all for tuning in, and we will talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you all later.

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<v Speaker 6>Moines's alright We could steal a car and leave tonight