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I'm glad to be with 23 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:22.719 you again. 24 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:28.239 Yeah, so we are continuing our much vaunted UH movie 25 00:01:28.359 --> 00:01:32.159 review series. Uh, you picked the last one ish kind 26 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:34.680 of You gave me a list and I just dictated 27 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.920 to you were doing this week, and we are doing 28 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:45.599 the nineteen ninety eight Comma or like comedy, maybe romance, 29 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:50.840 maybe film Buffalo sixty six. So a little bit of 30 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:51.560 context on this. 31 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:52.400 Uh. 32 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:54.920 This is one of my brother in law and my 33 00:01:55.040 --> 00:02:01.599 wife's favorite movies. They love it. I had, literally I 34 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:05.239 had no preconceptions about either this movie or Vincent Gallo, 35 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:10.840 the director, star writer, And the first time I went 36 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:12.719 through it, I couldn't take it. I tapped out at 37 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:15.680 about the fifty percent mark. It was just too bizarre, 38 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:20.639 too weird, too uncomfortable. And then the second time I 39 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:27.199 sat back through it and genuinely enjoyed it. I don't 40 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:30.000 know if I necessarily have the greatest argument as to 41 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:32.919 why I enjoyed it, but as part of that, I've 42 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:37.240 sort of also become fascinated by Vincent Gallo as sort 43 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:41.319 of the world's most insane film all tour. He is 44 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:48.039 reviled by many people, which is sort of funny. But anyway, Andy, 45 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:50.240 I'll kick it back to you. I'm curious to get 46 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:52.439 your thoughts. We were talking a little bit about, you know, 47 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:54.400 your kind of initial reaction upon seeing the movie. 48 00:02:55.639 --> 00:03:00.599 Yes, maybe for our listeners, I mean we give them 49 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:04.159 a little bit of you know, the intro there isn't 50 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:07.879 It's an indie movie, so it isn't like there's a 51 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:13.439 highly complicated plot, and the emphasis is really on these characters. 52 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:18.919 And I note a couple other things just to kind 53 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:21.639 of set the table for anybody who does want to 54 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:25.319 see this movie. I noticed going back, I must have 55 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:28.680 seen this like in nineteen ninety eight. I think it 56 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:31.039 was was that right, nineteen ninety eight. It comes out, 57 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:35.599 but I don't remember any of it, and Burden says 58 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:39.560 to me, we're doing this movie, so okay. So I 59 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:42.520 sit down after a very long day, and likewise I 60 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:44.800 didn't make it fifty percent. I wanted to tap out 61 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:48.759 at about I don't know, like really the minute that 62 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:54.680 Vincent Gallo's character gets out of jail, which is how 63 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:58.199 the movie opens, you know, you're like, man, this guy 64 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.960 is just gusting, Like this is not somebody that I 65 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:08.639 can identify with, and and therein begins what is really 66 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:12.439 a great movie in many ways, but is extremely difficult 67 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:16.480 anyway for me. For me to get through. One thing 68 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:20.399 to note is he's going for a kind of like 69 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:27.399 seventies John Cassavetti's uh feel and vibe, and that's that's 70 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:32.000 something pretty interesting because he he goes, he brings in 71 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:36.879 Ben Gazara as his dad, who worked with famously John 72 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:41.120 cassavettis on a number of movies, including what I think 73 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:45.079 is Cassavetti's best, The Killing of a Chinese Bookie, and 74 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:49.120 he's in some other ones. But I think that that 75 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:55.160 plays into how the movie has has situated itself in 76 00:04:55.720 --> 00:05:01.759 like popular cultural, popular culture or history. Uh, he's Vincent Gallo, 77 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:06.199 isn't like you were saying earlier. I mean, he's polarizing, 78 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:10.199 but he's got a lot of respect from a lot 79 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:16.959 of people too. So for the audience. Once again, guy 80 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:22.680 gets out of prison and immediately wants to go over 81 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:25.279 and see his parents, who this is all said in Buffalo, 82 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:30.279 which is kind of awful, You know that, Like the 83 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.279 weather is very gray, and it's just every everything about 84 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:36.680 it is kind of depressing and weird, which may be accurate. 85 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:39.000 I've never been to Buffalo, have you been? 86 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:46.439 It's it's an accurate depiction. It is okay, I'd be sure. 87 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:48.040 I don't know for sure. I'd be shocked if it 88 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:50.720 wasn't filmed there, because if not, that is exactly what 89 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:52.000 Buffalo looks like. 90 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:55.120 Yeah. Well, I looked into it a little bit and 91 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:59.000 apparently it is at least almost all shot in Buffalo, 92 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:03.079 and a ton of is shot actually in Vincent Gallo. 93 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:08.480 The director writer is from Buffalo, and a lot of 94 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:11.040 it is shot in his parents' house, in his actual 95 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:15.720 the house that he grew up in. And I will 96 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:17.720 maybe I'll set that the rest of that aside and 97 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:20.560 finish this idea. So against for the listeners, like, not 98 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:25.360 much really happens in terms of plot. He wants to 99 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:28.439 go see his mom and dad. He immediately kidnaps this 100 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:33.279 girl and then dig go over to his mom and 101 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:38.079 dad's house and we find out that he's he's been 102 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:43.680 in jail because he was sort of set up to 103 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:47.319 take the fall for another guy in this betting scheme. 104 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:50.240 He does his five or seven years or something, he 105 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:53.600 gets out and there he is, he has nowhere he has. 106 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:56.360 He's pretty young, and I mean, I guess he's supposed 107 00:06:56.360 --> 00:07:00.040 to be maybe thirty or something like late twenties. And 108 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:05.279 from there, yeah, like what do you think, like, not 109 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:09.240 much really happens. It's really about this guy's internal thing 110 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:12.759 and the relationship between him and the girl. 111 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:17.680 So you're right, and that is sort of the you know, 112 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:21.040 the a plot right him you know, meeting this girl. 113 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:25.240 It's sort of a inversion of the classic rom com 114 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:29.000 trope where you know, he when he was away in jail. 115 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.480 We find this out later in the narrative, used his 116 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:37.279 mentally disabled friend Goon, who is a background character in this, 117 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:41.519 to basically send his parents letters, right, you know, like 118 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:44.720 postdated so that they would think that he is, you know, 119 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:48.639 living this life as a you know, man of mystery, right, 120 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:50.560 flying all around the world. And as part of this, 121 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:53.279 he's married. So he gets out of jail, which is 122 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:56.360 sort of played up in this kind of like sad 123 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:59.759 pathetic way. You know, he's just you know, trying to 124 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:02.800 The whole inciting incident is he's trying to find a bathroom, right. 125 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:05.399 He runs into this dance studio and that's where he 126 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:09.959 sees this girl, Leila, kidnaps her, demands that she drive 127 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:12.800 him to his parents' house, and this is where you 128 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:15.519 get kind of the comedy of it, because he is 129 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:23.040 vacillating between completely normal conversations and insane threats, threatening to 130 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:29.680 kill her, just badgering her constantly, and she is, relatively speaking, 131 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:33.720 a normal person compared to you know, Vincent Gallo, kind 132 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:36.080 of chewing the scenery and so, you know, that's the 133 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:38.639 inciting incident to the main plot. But in the background, 134 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:44.320 we find out that he was put away for betting 135 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:48.559 on the Buffalo Bills at the I think it's isn't 136 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.519 at the at the super Bowl. Yeah, and you know, 137 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:56.159 at this this notable super Bowl, he put ten thousand 138 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:58.159 dollars on the Buffalo Bills to win. You know, the 139 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:01.279 best kicker in the league misses the field goal right, 140 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:04.399 screws the game, screws him. And so when he gets 141 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:07.320 out and he's concocted this plan to you know, go 142 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:11.320 find this kicker and shoot him. And so that's sort 143 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:17.519 of the b plot. The background, the interactions between you know, 144 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:23.480 Vincent Gallon and Leila are just off the rip, incredibly uncomfortable, 145 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:27.080 like he's threatening her with the most insane threats over 146 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:31.759 very minor things. This is a very quotable movie. One 147 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:35.159 of the funniest parts is, you know he's kidnapped her, 148 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:38.840 you know, from this dance studio, which is shot in 149 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:41.320 kind of a comedic way, like he's just dragging this 150 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:43.799 girl past like a bunch of eight year old girls 151 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:46.639 like doing ballet. But he goes out to her car, 152 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:49.799 he shoves her in the passenger seat, he gets in 153 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:53.440 the driver's seat, and we find out that, you know, 154 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:56.600 she drives, you know, a manual. Weirdly enough, this is 155 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:58.600 funny that this car was at the time sort of 156 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:02.360 a comedic ship box. Now those old eighties Corollas are 157 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:05.360 worth like fifteen grand, bare minimum. Just a funny aside 158 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:10.840 has this massive blowout right where he talks about I 159 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:14.360 don't know how to drive shifter cars. I drive luxury cars. 160 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:17.200 Do you know what a luxury car is? I drive cataloged, 161 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:23.399 just berating this almost completely silent woman, which you're right, 162 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:26.759 it's incredibly uncomfortable, but man, it is it is pretty funny. 163 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:28.879 It is chewing the scenery. 164 00:10:29.399 --> 00:10:33.799 Yeah, God, there's so many scenes like that. I thought 165 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:35.080 you were going to go for the one where he's 166 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:38.200 talking about he's threatening her, you know what he will 167 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:40.360 do if she runs off, But the whole time she 168 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:43.840 never gives there's zero indication that she's ever going to 169 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:45.879 run off, which is part of the comedy. Right Like 170 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.799 he does kind of violently grab her, which I came 171 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:53.679 back to towards the end in you know, sort of 172 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:59.519 like a primitive sense. He establishes this like absolute base 173 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:03.840 level relationship with her right there, and he there's sort 174 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.399 of like this indication, well, you know, maybe he's going 175 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:11.879 to abscond with her a raper, and it turns out 176 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:14.240 to be the absolute opposite of that. Right at the end, 177 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:21.600 his like, mommy problems are so profound that when when 178 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:25.679 the time comes when this relationship gets like quote intimate, 179 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:28.320 we can get there to that, because that's its whole 180 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:33.039 other thing. But the way that heh he describes what 181 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:34.840 he's going to do to her, you know, I'm going 182 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:37.039 to take a big bite out of your cheek and 183 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:43.440 then shot it out. He there's no capacity when this 184 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:46.519 within this guy to actually do this to her, and 185 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.879 there's no indication from her that she's actually going to leave, 186 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:54.440 and so it sets this bizarre tension that is you're right, 187 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:58.759 like kind of comedy gold where you wonder, like, what 188 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:02.720 what are these people doing? What is really happening here? 189 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:05.240 When she He's not going to come through on any 190 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:08.919 of these threats. He's totally inept and she doesn't even 191 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:11.519 want to leave and she's just met him. Like, what's 192 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:13.879 going on with that part of it? What did you 193 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:20.559 make of the Christina Ricci characters just kind of giving 194 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:21.120 over to that. 195 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:28.159 Yeah, well, it's interesting because she is, in a weird way, 196 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:35.240 incredibly passive, right, she's just along for the ride, and 197 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:38.519 you know, someone that's just artifsts, right, it's a moody 198 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:42.440 or whatever. But I do think that it is It 199 00:12:42.519 --> 00:12:45.720 is incredibly interesting, especially because she seems to be basically 200 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.679 the only person in the world who actually pays attention 201 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:52.080 to Vincent Gallo in any capacity at all, and he's 202 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:55.480 otherwise sort of, you know, completely ignored. And I think 203 00:12:55.480 --> 00:13:04.840 it's interesting because you sort of see this distinction between like, 204 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:08.320 and it's funny me I haven't even using his real 205 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:10.840 name because it is there are kind of questions about 206 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:15.600 how autobiographical this movie is, right, but you know, Gallo's 207 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:22.080 kind of very incomplete projected self image and how everyone 208 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:26.480 else actually sees him because you know, up to the 209 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:31.120 very beginning, you don't actually know really what's going on. 210 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:34.039 You know, you are not given the sort of context 211 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:36.200 about you know, taking the dive and the bet and 212 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:39.320 all that, right, and so you know, you're sort of 213 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:42.440 in real time learning that this guy is kind of 214 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:45.759 just a massive loser. Like his best friend is special needs, 215 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:49.919 his parents hate him, he doesn't really have anything going 216 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:53.600 on in life other than you know, this relationship with 217 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:56.080 with Leila. And what's interesting, and we'll get into this 218 00:13:56.120 --> 00:13:59.519 at the end of the movie, is that his sort 219 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:04.159 of core motivation is sort of killing the guy who 220 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:07.240 sent him to prison, right, this kicker. Yeah, and that 221 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:10.799 is sort of the one animating thrust throughout this entire movie, 222 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:16.120 and he is able to sort of discard that for 223 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:20.519 this relationship in a way that's oddly touching given the 224 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:25.879 griminess of this movie. Otherwise, I want I actually to 225 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:28.759 get back to your much earlier point about you know, 226 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:32.679 sort of the the echoes to the seventies. It's kind 227 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:35.000 of interesting thing. So obviously this was the late nineties, 228 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:36.759 so it's a little bit ahead of the curve. But 229 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:41.240 in my mind, really the two thousands through the twenty 230 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:47.759 tens are like kind of this this weird like the 231 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:50.519 emergence of kind of retro futurism, Like you see this 232 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:54.240 in car designs, right, Like the class like the new Mini, 233 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:57.440 the Volkswagen Beetle, all of those being brought back as 234 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:01.600 kind of echoes to a previous era. So in film 235 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:03.840 as well, I mean to be honest, a lot of 236 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:07.600 Tarantino's work is again calling back to the kind of 237 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:10.600 grind house look. Robert Rodriguez, you know, basically made a 238 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:13.720 career on doing exactly that. But I think it's interesting 239 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.759 as well because I actually hadn't even thought about that, 240 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:19.840 but once you mentioned it, like, there are multiple features 241 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:22.080 of this that are basically out of you know, a 242 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:25.000 movie twenty years earlier, right, the whole the whole fact 243 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:27.039 that this guy, like, I mean to be honest, the 244 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:30.200 way he's dressed, but the you know, the the prominence 245 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:33.240 of bowling, right this, that whole scene is sort of 246 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:36.159 dripping in it. And uh, yeah, it's funny. I would 247 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:37.960 not have noticed that, but you're you're kind of spot 248 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:38.399 on on that. 249 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:40.840 Yeah, it was one of the first things that I 250 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:44.840 noticed because it's shot in film too. I mean, it 251 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:46.519 must have been shot in film. I don't think that 252 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:52.120 digital was really even available at that time. And you're right, 253 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:55.799 I mean the clothes, the weird like platform boots, these 254 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:59.799 red he's wearing this drab, kind of totally gray out 255 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:02.879 fit and it's all skinny. 256 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:05.320 The boots are kind of Thomas seven seven. You can 257 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:06.559 see him where in those boots. 258 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:09.720 Yeah, good point, they really are again. And then he 259 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:14.440 has these like almost like ruby slippers, sort of just 260 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:20.039 one splash of color. And uh, some of the techniques 261 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:24.399 too that I actually liked. Some of the lighting techniques 262 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:32.159 he seems to homage maybe maybe David Lynch with eraser Head, 263 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:37.039 although David Lynch uses this technique later in his career too, 264 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:45.919 where he a spotlight sort of erupts into the naturalistic 265 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:48.720 lighting and you know, draws us into some sort of 266 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:52.320 a dream scenario. That's one he uses that technique of 267 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:56.399 where he which I thought was I have. I usually 268 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:58.720 don't like that sort of stuff, you know, like gimmicks 269 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:02.080 or whatever, especially maybe now as you point out, like 270 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:06.960 it's it's almost like it's gone through one loop back 271 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:09.559 and then another, and in each loop back it maybe 272 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:12.680 gets a little bit I don't know if it's compressing 273 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:16.440 into some like truth or if it's kind of getting deluded. 274 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:18.720 I'm really not sure. But he uses this technique of 275 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:24.599 many screens within the screen and I have to admit 276 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:26.799 that was pretty all right. 277 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:28.960 Andrew Edwards, Welcome back to the Jay Burdon Show. 278 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:31.160 How you doing, man good. I'm glad to be with 279 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:31.640 you again. 280 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:38.079 Yeah. So we are continuing our much vaunted movie review series. 281 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:41.480 You picked the last one ish kind of You gave 282 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.400 me a list and I just dictated to you before 283 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:49.759 doing this week, and we are doing the nineteen ninety 284 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:57.359 eight Comma or like comedy, maybe romance, maybe film Buffalo 285 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:00.519 sixty six. So a little bit of content text on this. 286 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:03.839 This is one of my brother in law and my 287 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:05.720 wife's favorite movies. 288 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:06.720 They love it. 289 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:12.680 I had, literally I had no preconceptions about either this 290 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:19.079 movie or Vincent Gallo, the director, star writer, And the 291 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:20.680 first time I went through it, I couldn't take it. 292 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:23.519 I tapped out at about the fifty percent mark. It 293 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:28.240 was just too bizarre, too weird, too uncomfortable. And then 294 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:33.319 the second time I sat back through it and genuinely 295 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:37.480 enjoyed it. I don't know if I necessarily have the 296 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:40.599 greatest argument as to why I enjoyed it, but as 297 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:43.920 part of that, I've sort of also become fascinated by 298 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:48.519 Vincent Gallo as sort of the world's most insane film 299 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:53.720 all Tour. He is reviled by many people, which is 300 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:58.240 sort of funny. But anyway, Andy, I'll kick it back 301 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:00.440 to you. I'm curious to get your thoughts. We're talking 302 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:02.119 a little bit about, you know, your kind of initial 303 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:03.319 reaction upon seeing the movie. 304 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:09.519 Yes, maybe for our listeners, I mean we give them 305 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:13.079 a little bit of you know, the intro there isn't 306 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:16.720 it's it's an indie movie, so it isn't like there's 307 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:20.720 a highly complicated plot, and the emphasis is really on 308 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:27.319 these characters. And I note a couple other things just 309 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:30.240 to kind of set the table for anybody who does 310 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:33.839 want to see this movie. I noticed going back, I 311 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:37.279 must have seen this like in nineteen ninety eight. I 312 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:39.519 think it was was that right, nineteen ninety eight. It 313 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:43.559 comes out, but I don't remember any of it, and 314 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:47.880 Burden says to me, we're doing this movie, so okay. 315 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:50.640 So I sit down after a very long day, and 316 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:53.200 likewise I didn't make it fifty percent. I wanted to 317 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:57.079 tap out at about I don't know, like really the 318 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:03.359 minute that Vincent Gallo's character gets out of jail, which 319 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.720 is how the movie opens, you know, you're like, man, 320 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:10.160 this Guy is is is disgusting, Like this is not 321 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:16.960 somebody that I can identify with, And therein begins what 322 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:19.759 is really a great movie in many ways, but is 323 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:24.039 extremely difficult anyway for me, for me to get through. 324 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:28.960 One thing to note is he's going for a kind 325 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:35.799 of like seventies John Cassavetti's feel and vibe, and that's 326 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:40.839 that's something pretty interesting because he he goes, he brings 327 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:45.359 in Ben Gazara as his dad, who worked with famously 328 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:49.839 John cassavettis on a number of movies, including what I 329 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:53.759 think is Cassavetti's best, The Killing of a Chinese Bookie, 330 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:57.839 and he's in some other ones. But I think that 331 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:03.759 that plays into how the movie has has situated itself 332 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:10.319 in like popular cultural, popular culture or history. He's Vincent 333 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:15.119 Gallo isn't like you were saying earlier. I mean, he's polarizing, 334 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:19.119 but he's got a lot of respect from a lot 335 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:25.880 of people too. So for the audience. Once again, guy 336 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:31.599 gets out of prison and immediately wants to go over 337 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:34.200 and see his parents, who this is all said in Buffalo, 338 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:39.200 which is kind of awful. You know that, Like the 339 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:42.279 weather is very gray and it's every everything about it 340 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:45.599 is kind of depressing and weird, which may be accurate. 341 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:47.920 I've never been to Buffalo, have you been? 342 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:55.359 It's it's an accurate depiction, it is okay, I'd be sure. 343 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:56.960 I don't know for sure. I'd be shocked if it 344 00:21:57.079 --> 00:21:59.559 wasn't filmed there, because if not, that is exactly what 345 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:00.920 buffle looks like. 346 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:04.039 Yeah. Well, I looked into it a little bit and 347 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:07.920 apparently it is at least almost all shot in Buffalo, 348 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:12.000 and a ton of it is shot actually in Vincent Gallo. 349 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:17.400 The director writer is from Buffalo, and a lot of 350 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:19.960 it is shot in his parents' house, in his actual 351 00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:24.640 the house that he grew up in. And I will 352 00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:26.640 maybe I'll set that the rest of that aside and 353 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:29.480 finish this idea. So against for the listeners, like, not 354 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:34.279 much really happens in terms of plot. He wants to 355 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:37.359 go see his mom and dad. He immediately kidnaps this 356 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:42.160 girl and then dig go over to his mom and 357 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:47.799 dad's house and we find out that he's been in 358 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:52.920 jail because he was sort of set up to take 359 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:57.119 the fall for another guy in this betting scheme. He 360 00:22:57.240 --> 00:22:59.480 does his five or seven years or something. He gets 361 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:02.519 out and there he is he has nowhere he has. 362 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:05.279 He's pretty young, and I mean I guess he's supposed 363 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:10.000 to be maybe thirty or something like late twenties. And 364 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:14.200 from there, yeah, like what do you think, Like, not 365 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:18.160 much really happens. It's really about this guy's internal thing 366 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:21.680 and the relationship between him and the girl. 367 00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:26.599 So you're right, and that is sort of the you know, 368 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:29.960 the a plot, right him, you know, meeting this girl. 369 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:34.160 It's sort of a inversion of the classic rom com 370 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:37.920 trope where you know, he when he was away in jail. 371 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:40.400 We find this out later in the narrative, used his 372 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:46.200 mentally disabled friend Goon, who is a background character in this, 373 00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:50.440 to basically send his parents letters, right, you know, like 374 00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:53.640 postdated so that they would think that he is, you know, 375 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:57.559 living this life as a you know, man of mystery, right, 376 00:23:57.640 --> 00:23:59.440 flying all around the world, and as part of this 377 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:02.200 he's man. So he gets out of jail, which is 378 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:05.279 sort of played up in this kind of like sad 379 00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:08.680 pathetic way. You know, he's just you know, trying to 380 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:11.759 The whole inciting incident is he's trying to find a bathroom, right. 381 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:14.319 He runs into this dance studio and that's where he 382 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:18.880 sees this girl, Leila, kidnaps her, demands that she drive 383 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:21.720 him to his parents' house, and this is where you 384 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:24.440 get kind of the comedy of it, because he is 385 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:31.960 vacillating between completely normal conversations and insane threats, threatening to 386 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:38.599 kill her, just badgering her constantly, and she is, relatively speaking, 387 00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:42.640 a normal person compared to you know, Vincent Gallo, kind 388 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:45.000 of chewing the scenery. And so, you know, that's the 389 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:47.559 inciting incident to the main plot. But in the background, 390 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:53.240 we find out that he was put away for betting 391 00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:57.480 on the Buffalo Bills at the I think it's isn't 392 00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:01.440 at the at the super Bowl, Yeah, and you know, 393 00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:04.720 at this this notable super Bowl. Yeah, he put ten 394 00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:07.000 thousand dollars on the Buffalo Bills to win. You know, 395 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:10.200 the best kicker in the league misses the field goal right, 396 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:13.319 screws the game, screws him. And so when he gets 397 00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:16.240 out and he's concocted this plan to you know, go 398 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:20.240 find this kicker and shoot him. And so that's sort 399 00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:26.440 of the b plot. The background, the interactions between you know, 400 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:32.400 Vincent gall and Layla are just off the rip, incredibly uncomfortable, 401 00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:36.000