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<v Speaker 6>Welcome again to another edition of gun Talk. I am

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<v Speaker 6>Tom Gresham, your host. We're going to be talking about

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<v Speaker 6>an awful lot of things today. Some news that has

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<v Speaker 6>been breaking, some interesting things, some controversies on the internet.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, people are just losing their minds over a

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<v Speaker 6>thing with Staccato, the Fire's company. And then we're going

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<v Speaker 6>to be talking about some cool gear as well. A

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<v Speaker 6>lot of things going on. I'm just telling you to

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<v Speaker 6>be fair. We're in the middle of some of this

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<v Speaker 6>and some of the information we have is fresh, it's

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<v Speaker 6>new and maybe not quite complete. Okay, fair enough, all right,

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<v Speaker 6>So here's what's going on. About a week ago in Texas,

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<v Speaker 6>Judge Wesley Hendick Hendricks of the US District Court for

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<v Speaker 6>the Northern District of Texas held that the National Firearms

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<v Speaker 6>Act as NFA it's registration and approval requirements for suppressors,

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<v Speaker 6>short barrel rifles, and short barrel shotguns exceeded Congress's constitutional

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<v Speaker 6>authority after Congress eliminated the NFA transfer tax on those things.

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<v Speaker 6>So remember in the one Big Beautiful Bill, we got

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<v Speaker 6>the tax reduced to zero on suppressors, short barrel rifles

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<v Speaker 6>and short barrel shotguns, and some people said that it's

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<v Speaker 6>not enough. Everybody said, just wait, wait, wait, wait, it's

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<v Speaker 6>a building block system. Once we get rid of the tax,

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<v Speaker 6>we can go back and say, hey, you know what

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<v Speaker 6>NFA was actually a tax. It's a registration based on

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<v Speaker 6>a tax, and now that there's no tax, probably there

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<v Speaker 6>shouldn't be an NFA registration requirement. Well that's exactly what happened.

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<v Speaker 6>So the judge ruled that, yeah, under that provision, not

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<v Speaker 6>a second AMENDMIC case it's a tax case. You cannot

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<v Speaker 6>require the registration of suppressor's shortbear rifles and shortbail shotguns.

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<v Speaker 6>So he put that order in on August the fifth,

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<v Speaker 6>but he put a pause on it, called a stay.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, for a week.

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<v Speaker 6>This injunction is not going to go into effect, to

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<v Speaker 6>allow the government, the Department of Justice, ample time to

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<v Speaker 6>come in and file an appeal on the stay. Well,

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<v Speaker 6>that week went by, the clock was ticking, everybody was watching,

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<v Speaker 6>and the government decided not to appeal the stay. This

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<v Speaker 6>is important, not just the stay. They still have the

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<v Speaker 6>ability to appeal the decision for another sixty days, but

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<v Speaker 6>by not appealing this stay, then the injunction goes into effect.

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<v Speaker 6>And so as of that moment, when the clock hits

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<v Speaker 6>zero at midnight, you can buy suppressors in a number

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<v Speaker 6>of states without the Form four, without asking permission of

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<v Speaker 6>the government. You just go into a store and buy it.

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<v Speaker 6>It's treated as a firearm. You do a forty four

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<v Speaker 6>seventy through the background check, and I'm guessing in states

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<v Speaker 6>where your constial carry permit functions for that you don't

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<v Speaker 6>even have to submit the background check. You to show

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<v Speaker 6>your constille carry permit and walk out with a suppression

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<v Speaker 6>that's not registered to the federal government. So that's what

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<v Speaker 6>was going on, and it is a big deal. I

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<v Speaker 6>mean it's a huge deal. Look, the NFA, the National

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<v Speaker 6>Farms Actor, has been in effect for ninety two years

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<v Speaker 6>and now at least for these things in some states,

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<v Speaker 6>for some people it's gone. Well what do I mean

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<v Speaker 6>by those limitations, Well, the states still have state laws

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<v Speaker 6>about suppressors. Those laws still apply, so you've got to

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<v Speaker 6>know what the laws are in your state. Also, this

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<v Speaker 6>order does not apply to everybody in the United States

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<v Speaker 6>through America. It applies only to the members of the

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<v Speaker 6>organizations that file the lawsuits, actually two lawsuits combined. Ryan

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<v Speaker 6>was able to grab an interview with Dave Mathindi from

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<v Speaker 6>Silencer's shop.

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<v Speaker 2>They were one of the plaintiffs.

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<v Speaker 6>And understand that this interview took place like hours after

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<v Speaker 6>this all went into effect, and so it was all

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<v Speaker 6>very fresh and there may be a couple of things

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<v Speaker 6>in this interview. They're not quite up to snuff and

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<v Speaker 6>we're learning more about it. Let me just say this

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<v Speaker 6>on the front end. If you are a member, either

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<v Speaker 6>past or present or future, you can join right now

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<v Speaker 6>and be covered under this a member of the Gun

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<v Speaker 6>Owners of America, the Citizens Committee for the Rights Keeping

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<v Speaker 6>Bare Arms, or the Texas State Rifle Association, then you

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<v Speaker 6>are covered under this, and you can go into the

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<v Speaker 6>store and just buy a silencer without any of the

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<v Speaker 6>federal stuff. No tax stamp, no fingerprints, no photographs. Just

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<v Speaker 6>buy the thing and walk out the door.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's what's going on. It's huge news, but it's

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<v Speaker 6>developing news. The one thing I would say is, don't

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<v Speaker 6>rush out until you have figured out exactly if you

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<v Speaker 6>are covered under this, and there will be gun stores

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<v Speaker 6>you're going to say, you know, I'm not gonna do

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<v Speaker 6>this yet until I get some more guidance from the ATF.

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<v Speaker 6>I get it, I understand it. It makes sense. Here's

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<v Speaker 6>that interview that Ryan got with Dave Metheenie from Silencer

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<v Speaker 6>Shop a couple of days ago.

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<v Speaker 3>All Right, welcome in.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a special one because there is news breaking

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<v Speaker 4>and you guys want to know about it. So we've

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<v Speaker 4>got kind of like from the horse's mouth. We've got

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<v Speaker 4>Dave Methini from Silencer Shop. You're the CEO, Dave. You guys,

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<v Speaker 4>is like the NFA done, you sue the government one

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, everyone's going, what the hell's going on right now?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, just give us the quick update.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, seriously, you summed it up. Mostly we did win.

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<v Speaker 7>NFA is not done. This is a step, but it's

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<v Speaker 7>for a lot of people. It's the step that matters,

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<v Speaker 7>no more registration to the end customer. In a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of cases, not all, but a lot of people are

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<v Speaker 7>covered under this.

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<v Speaker 4>You guys kind of brought this about because when the

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<v Speaker 4>two hundred dollars tax stamp went away, it was kind

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<v Speaker 4>of like, wait a minute, what are we registering that we've.

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<v Speaker 3>Paid a zero dollar tax for? And so I guess

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<v Speaker 3>where are we at today?

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<v Speaker 4>Because as of twelve oh one am, you guys, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll let you tell, what did you guys do at

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<v Speaker 4>twelve oh one am?

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<v Speaker 7>Seriously that it was the first transferred legal transfer, i

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<v Speaker 7>should say, of unregistered silencers in over ninety years.

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<v Speaker 8>Honestly, it was super fun, a ton of energy. It

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<v Speaker 8>was a lot of fun. Twelve oh one hand those

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<v Speaker 8>cans to those guys.

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<v Speaker 7>And normally I'm like, I'm one to sit in the

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<v Speaker 7>back and let other people do all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 8>I was like, man, I want to be part of this.

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<v Speaker 8>This is history, right? It was a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so this is basically silencer shop transferred some silencers

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<v Speaker 4>just using a forty four to seventy three?

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<v Speaker 8>Is that how you did it exactly? Just treated it

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<v Speaker 8>just like a firearm?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>So is that I guess here's the big question for

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<v Speaker 4>people listening, is that how it is going forward?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 4>Can people just run out and you know, pick out

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<v Speaker 4>a silencer and run a background check and walk out

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<v Speaker 4>with it?

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<v Speaker 7>For a lot of people, absolutely that is actually the case.

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<v Speaker 7>But there you have to keep in mind this is

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<v Speaker 7>an injunction and the judge who was not allowed to

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<v Speaker 7>issue a nationwide injunction, so you had the sets of

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<v Speaker 7>the limits on it. The limits in this case are

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<v Speaker 7>actually pretty broad. A lot of people are covered, but

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<v Speaker 7>the main points are is GOA members fract members.

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<v Speaker 8>It's not one hundred percent clear if that's.

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<v Speaker 7>Any member or members that were members as of the

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<v Speaker 7>date of the injunction. That's something that we're clarifying and

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<v Speaker 7>that I'm hoping that goes to all GA members because

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<v Speaker 7>that would actually mean all you have to do is

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<v Speaker 7>join the GA and you're in and I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 7>what I just want to throw out there GA. They

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<v Speaker 7>are awesome support GA no matter what right. But the

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<v Speaker 7>also if you're a GOARA a FRACT member. A FRACT

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<v Speaker 7>applies more to companies. If you're buying a silencer code

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<v Speaker 7>or a B and T suppressor, those are actually covered.

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<v Speaker 7>So in those two cases you don't have to worry

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<v Speaker 7>about this. If you're a silencer shop customer or a

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<v Speaker 7>Palmetto State Armory customer. So if you're buying from US,

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<v Speaker 7>Palmetto State or one of our dealers who bought it

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<v Speaker 7>from us, you're covered. So that's the that's crazy to

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<v Speaker 7>me to think that that's how.

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<v Speaker 8>This is written.

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<v Speaker 7>There are fifteen states that are excluded from this, so

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<v Speaker 7>that's where you have to be kind of careful, and

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<v Speaker 7>some states you would not expect, like Georgia for example,

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<v Speaker 7>if you live in Georgia, you're covered under the injunction,

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<v Speaker 7>but state law.

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<v Speaker 8>Says if you don't register with a Form four you're

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<v Speaker 8>a felon. Because of that.

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<v Speaker 7>In Georgia and a fourteen other states fifteen total, you

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<v Speaker 7>have to register using a Form FOAR.

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<v Speaker 4>Still, if your state has their own set of regulations,

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<v Speaker 4>that still applies, and so you're going to still have

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<v Speaker 4>to go through those regulations.

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<v Speaker 3>There's hopes. I have some questions that have come up.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of people are asking questions, can someone make

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<v Speaker 4>his own silence for today without filling out a form?

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<v Speaker 7>Seriously, if you're if you were in one of the

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<v Speaker 7>states where you can do that, where you're not one

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<v Speaker 7>of these fifteen states, and you're goa member, right, then yes,

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<v Speaker 7>you have to be in a protected class for this

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<v Speaker 7>to be in effect.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, that is a critical piece of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Explain that part, Dave.

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<v Speaker 8>This isn't a blanket injunction. It covers it's a huge

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<v Speaker 8>protected class, but it only covers people in that protected class.

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<v Speaker 7>Like I said, Gooa, frack uh salncer Co, B and

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<v Speaker 7>T silencers, buy from silencer Shop, buy from Palmetto State Art.

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<v Speaker 7>Those are your protected classes. So it's a they're broad

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<v Speaker 7>protected classes. But it's not one hundred percent right. That's

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<v Speaker 7>that's why I've been saying over and over again, this

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<v Speaker 7>isn't one hundred percent when right. This is a step,

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<v Speaker 7>but we'll get there, We'll get to one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 4>What about private sales of silencers? I mean, because I

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<v Speaker 4>live in Louisiana, you can you can sell a gun

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<v Speaker 4>to someone privately without running a background check. If my

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<v Speaker 4>uncle wanted to buy a gun from me, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he gives me money, I give him a gun, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's done because he's not.

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<v Speaker 3>A prohibited person. Is that the case for silencers for people?

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<v Speaker 7>Actually no, And that's a case that's explicitly excluded. So

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<v Speaker 7>if you have let's say, you go to your dealer,

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<v Speaker 7>you buy the silencer on a forty four seventy three,

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<v Speaker 7>so that comes out of the registry. At that point,

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<v Speaker 7>the silencer is no longer registered. That you cannot sell

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<v Speaker 7>back into the registry. So that's a case that is,

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<v Speaker 7>like I said, explicitly not covered.

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<v Speaker 8>That's right.

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<v Speaker 7>There's going to be some confusion here, right, There's this

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<v Speaker 8>Everybody's covered. It is not that and.

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<v Speaker 7>ATF is going to have some stuff to define, especially

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<v Speaker 4>There is still a lot that has to be worked out, right.

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<v Speaker 4>I Mean everyone's kind of gone, well, let's we're just

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, what should people do today?

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<v Speaker 4>Should we all wait until we get guidance from the ATF?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, what do you think that what's the advice

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<v Speaker 8>Seriously?

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<v Speaker 7>feel like this is like freedom Week, right, if a

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<v Speaker 7>stay were to be reissued, if this were to be

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<v Speaker 7>like just somebody put the cabash on this, I buy

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<v Speaker 7>before that happens, right, That's I'm not saying it's going

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<v Speaker 7>to happen. I had no indication that it's going to do.

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<v Speaker 7>I would want it, I'd register, can't. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 7>just me personally. I think it's awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>What about short barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns, any other weapons?

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<v Speaker 3>How do those apply in this case?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, short borrow shotguns, short brow rifles pretty much the

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<v Speaker 7>exact same conditions as the silencers. Accept it's twenty two

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<v Speaker 7>states where you can't buy them, whereas with silencers is

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<v Speaker 8>It's just state laws. The way state laws are interacting

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<v Speaker 8>with this. If they had been and this.

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<v Speaker 7>Is actually a weird upside of this, if they had

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<v Speaker 7>been completely deregulated, then silencers would would become illegal in

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<v Speaker 7>those states. So we would have fifteen states where silencers

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<v Speaker 7>are now illegal completely, and we would have twenty two

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<v Speaker 7>states where SBRs are now illegal completely. So this injunction

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<v Speaker 7>at least gives people a route and we're trying to

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<v Speaker 7>get these state laws fixed. I mean, this is like

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<v Speaker 7>priority number one and it has been since spotched year.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's a lot of steps to this, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>not like you kind of just pointed out. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>dominoes that have to fall and there's kind of consequences

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<v Speaker 4>of this. It's like, Okay, on a forty four to

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<v Speaker 4>seventy three, one of the things you fill out is

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<v Speaker 4>it a rifle? Is it a handgun? You know, is

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<v Speaker 4>this an other now on a forty four to seventy three,

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<v Speaker 4>or does the form have to be updated.

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<v Speaker 8>It's another firearm. That part we'll get on.

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<v Speaker 7>The dealers do have to run a background check, so

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<v Speaker 7>just like it were any other firearm, Okay, this is

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<v Speaker 7>the update.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's kind of a little bit of like, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>we've got freedom, yes, but there are protected classes. There

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<v Speaker 4>are certain retailers and manufacturers that are kind of covered

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<v Speaker 4>underneath this right now. Obviously, the goal is to expand

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<v Speaker 4>it out, so we've have complete and total freedom with

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<v Speaker 4>this thing that we should have had for a long

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<v Speaker 4>long time.

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<v Speaker 3>But amazing news. Amazing news.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's good information.

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<v Speaker 6>But as I say, it was put out very early on,

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<v Speaker 6>right after this decision was well went into effect. There's

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<v Speaker 6>going to be more developing. We'll have more for you

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<v Speaker 6>as we go forward. Go online, follow me on X

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<v Speaker 6>I will have a lot of information. Because it's breaking.

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<v Speaker 6>You don't want to get crosswise with the law on this.

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<v Speaker 6>But at the same time, this is huge. It is freedom.

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<v Speaker 6>It is ninety two years of having our gun rights

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<v Speaker 6>This is what progress looks like. We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 6>You can weigh in on this. If you want to

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<v Speaker 6>give me a shout, just call me a Tom Talk gun. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 6>this is one of the biggest times we've ever had

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<v Speaker 6>in reclaiming our Second Amendment rights. This is such a

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<v Speaker 6>big deal with the judge striking down portions of the

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<v Speaker 6>National Firearms Act. The National Firearms Act is ninety two

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<v Speaker 6>years old. We've been fighting this for ninety two years.

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<v Speaker 6>For those who said, well I want it all.

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<v Speaker 2>I want it now. It takes time, and.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, none of us wants it to take take time.

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<v Speaker 6>We certainly didn't want it to take ninety two years.

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<v Speaker 6>But this is the result of saying we will never quit,

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<v Speaker 6>we will never stop, we will never give an inch,

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<v Speaker 6>and we push push, push, and we spend our money.

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<v Speaker 6>We've got to dig into our own pockets to fund

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<v Speaker 6>this because we don't have any billionaires like Michael Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 6>funding this stuff. If you have been watching this online,

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<v Speaker 6>if you've been talking to your buddies, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>the phone's been burning up. Everybody I know in the

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<v Speaker 6>business is getting calls saying, well, can I buy a

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<v Speaker 6>suppressor now without doing the registration?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe for a lot of people, yes, for some people

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<v Speaker 6>absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 2>And you got to know the difference.

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<v Speaker 6>If you are in one of those fifteen states that

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<v Speaker 6>has state laws are prohibit it, no, you cannot. You

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<v Speaker 6>still have to do the form for assuming you can

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<v Speaker 6>even own a suppressor at all, And in some states

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<v Speaker 6>you cannot. In other states you can buy a suppressor

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<v Speaker 6>without the fingerprints, without the photograph, without the registration, without

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<v Speaker 6>the form four without saying mother, may I probably, but

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<v Speaker 6>you have to be buying from one of the named plaintiffs,

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<v Speaker 6>soiunce for shop Palmina State Armory. Or you could be

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<v Speaker 6>a member of one of the plaintiffs. These groups, the

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<v Speaker 6>Gunners of America, the Texas I mean it's a Texas

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<v Speaker 6>Rifle Association. I'll have to look that up. And the

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<v Speaker 6>Citizens Committee for the Right Keeping of your Arms. A

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<v Speaker 6>lot of people are leaving out that last one for

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<v Speaker 6>fifteen bucks. You can join the Citizens Committee for one

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<v Speaker 6>hundred and fifty bucks. You can get a life membership.

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<v Speaker 6>Good group. They're actually doing a combo deal. You can

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<v Speaker 6>get a Citizens Committee membership along with the Second Amendment Foundation.

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<v Speaker 6>Put them both together for twenty five bucks. Put you

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<v Speaker 6>into the class. And people say, well have but I

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't a member when this was doesn't matter. It's current

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<v Speaker 6>and future current and future members, so.

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<v Speaker 2>You yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>And Second Memdbent Foundation was not one of the parties

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<v Speaker 6>on these cases, So being a member of SAF does

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<v Speaker 6>not include you, and it doesn't make you part of

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<v Speaker 6>this group. SAF is a party to other lawsuits because

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<v Speaker 6>there are other lawsuits challenging the same thing, and we're

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<v Speaker 6>waiting for those decisions to come in. So the Citizens Committee,

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<v Speaker 6>which is a sister group of SAF, it was part

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<v Speaker 6>of the Jensen case. SAF was not because it's doing

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<v Speaker 6>some others. NRA was not a party to these, but

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<v Speaker 6>it was funding them, which is a whole different deal.

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<v Speaker 6>So they were behind them and pushing them and putting

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<v Speaker 6>money into them, but not a named party. It gets complicated.

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<v Speaker 6>I would in Look, a lot of people rushed the

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<v Speaker 6>stores to buy these. I get it, I understand it.

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<v Speaker 6>And if your store will sell you one and you

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<v Speaker 6>are a member of one of these groups, and you

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<v Speaker 6>don't have to do the paperwork, then buy it. Some

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<v Speaker 6>people are a little afraid of that and say, well,

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<v Speaker 6>but what if they change it and want to come

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<v Speaker 6>back and say, Okay, you were actually not covered. I

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<v Speaker 6>don't think that's gonna happen. I know there are a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of gun stores. You say, yeah, I'm not doing

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<v Speaker 6>this yet. I'm just no, I'm going to file a

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<v Speaker 6>Form four. If you want to buy a suppressor from me,

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<v Speaker 6>you got to do a Form four. Why Because they

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<v Speaker 6>don't have any guidance yet from the ATF. And people

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<v Speaker 6>say well I shouldn't have to ask permission. No, you shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 6>You could also say it might be considered foolish to

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<v Speaker 6>say I'm just going to charge ahead without knowing what

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<v Speaker 6>the parameters are going to be. We're waiting for ATF's

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<v Speaker 6>rules on this, they're guidance on this, so we'll see

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<v Speaker 6>what they say.

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<v Speaker 2>In the meantime.

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<v Speaker 6>I would say that this may be like Freedom Week

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<v Speaker 6>in California, and maybe you rush out and grab it now,

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<v Speaker 6>or they slam the door shut, because I don't think

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<v Speaker 6>they're going to make it retroactive if they change their minds.

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<v Speaker 6>I also have a little inside information on where the

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<v Speaker 6>government is going on this in terms of you know,

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<v Speaker 6>they still have sixty days to appeal. They didn't appeal

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<v Speaker 6>to stay, but they still have sixty days. I'll give

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<v Speaker 6>you that when we come back. Also, Soccados stirred up

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<v Speaker 6>the Internet with its letter dumping half of its mempious dealers.

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll cover that all right. Here's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>that going on right now.

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<v Speaker 6>Obviously we have the news about suppressors and SBRs and

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<v Speaker 6>SBS's and yeah, you don't have to do the paperwork

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<v Speaker 6>or form register your suppressor, but we might want to

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<v Speaker 6>hold off on jumping into the deep end on that

423
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<v Speaker 6>more details coming. At the same time, there are other

424
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<v Speaker 6>things going on, and something blew up on the internet

425
00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:01.039
<v Speaker 6>this past week and people are their minds over it,

426
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<v Speaker 6>and look, I get it. Sometimes people just really like

427
00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:06.359
<v Speaker 6>to be outraged about things at the same time where

428
00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:07.839
<v Speaker 6>there's smoke off and there's fire.

429
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<v Speaker 2>And here's what happened.

430
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<v Speaker 6>Staccato, the company that makes the twenty elevens a double

431
00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:15.519
<v Speaker 6>stack nineteen elevens, send a letter out to a couple

432
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<v Speaker 6>of hundred dealers saying you are, as of this moment,

433
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<v Speaker 6>cut off.

434
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<v Speaker 2>You're no longer a dealer.

435
00:23:20.359 --> 00:23:23.839
<v Speaker 6>Furthermore, not only are you cut off, we're canceling all

436
00:23:23.880 --> 00:23:26.480
<v Speaker 6>of your existing back orders, not going to be shipping

437
00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:29.880
<v Speaker 6>you any orders. No purchase orders will be accepted. You

438
00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:32.519
<v Speaker 6>got to pay off your bill in fifteen days, got

439
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<v Speaker 6>to remove all the Staccato branding logos and any references

440
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:39.839
<v Speaker 6>identifying your business as an authorized Stacato dealer. It just

441
00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:42.200
<v Speaker 6>hit people wrong, and so I thought, well, you know,

442
00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:46.839
<v Speaker 6>why don't we actually talk to the people involved. Awful

443
00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:50.799
<v Speaker 6>lot of speculation going on, So I did exactly that.

444
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<v Speaker 6>All right, We're fortunate enough to have the co CEO

445
00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:57.240
<v Speaker 6>of Staccato with us right now, Buck Pearson, Buck, I

446
00:23:57.279 --> 00:23:59.599
<v Speaker 6>appreciate your time. I mean, I know that you're kind

447
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<v Speaker 6>of busy right now.

448
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<v Speaker 13>Well, fortunately I'm busy all the time, so this really

449
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<v Speaker 13>isn't abnormal.

450
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<v Speaker 14>But I appreciate you making the time to allow me

451
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<v Speaker 14>to come on.

452
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<v Speaker 2>You bet well.

453
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<v Speaker 6>Obviously, Staccato is an aspirational brand. It is a it

454
00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:17.319
<v Speaker 6>was a category. Now the category has become very large,

455
00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:20.039
<v Speaker 6>making the twenty elevens, the double Stack, ninete elevens. But

456
00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:24.119
<v Speaker 6>now you've got locations in Texas and Nevada and you're

457
00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:26.039
<v Speaker 6>just getting into all sorts of things. But now we

458
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:30.079
<v Speaker 6>got this letter that went out to dealers, to a

459
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:32.599
<v Speaker 6>whole bunch of dealers basically saying you are cut off

460
00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:36.519
<v Speaker 6>as of this moment, you're no longer an authorized Staccato dealer.

461
00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:38.799
<v Speaker 2>And it goes on and on. What's the story, what's

462
00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:39.480
<v Speaker 2>going on here?

463
00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:39.960
<v Speaker 14>Yeah?

464
00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:43.799
<v Speaker 13>So the real story is one that this is blown

465
00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:47.319
<v Speaker 13>way out of proportion by an angry dealer and it

466
00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:52.039
<v Speaker 13>was layered on top of some false statements that were made. Ultimately,

467
00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:55.960
<v Speaker 13>what we have done is we want our dealer network

468
00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:58.559
<v Speaker 13>to be an extension of our brand. We want our

469
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<v Speaker 13>customers when they go into it. A dealer that's a

470
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<v Speaker 13>Saccado dealer to have the absolute best possible customer experience

471
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<v Speaker 13>they can have, and there's a large percentage of our

472
00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:10.839
<v Speaker 13>dealers who are absolutely behind that.

473
00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:12.759
<v Speaker 14>They have great customer service.

474
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:16.319
<v Speaker 13>Our customers who buy guns there call us tell us

475
00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:18.400
<v Speaker 13>how great of an experience they had at these places,

476
00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:21.720
<v Speaker 13>and they're just a pleasure to work with. Now, those

477
00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:24.880
<v Speaker 13>dealers are not all just big, high volume dealers. A

478
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<v Speaker 13>large portion of our existing three hundred and fifty remaining

479
00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:29.720
<v Speaker 13>dealers are mom and pop.

480
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<v Speaker 14>Stores that've been with us for a long time.

481
00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:35.319
<v Speaker 13>There's a lot of medium to kind of larger size

482
00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:38.000
<v Speaker 13>stores and dealers mixed in there and well as well.

483
00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:40.839
<v Speaker 13>And then there's a lot of very high end, large

484
00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:43.880
<v Speaker 13>footprint stores that have their own indoor ranges things like that.

485
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:47.599
<v Speaker 13>But what's unique about our network that we've retained is

486
00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:51.039
<v Speaker 13>they all have exceptional customer service. They all believe in

487
00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:53.680
<v Speaker 13>the vision of what we're trying to do to make

488
00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:57.039
<v Speaker 13>our company not just a handgun company, but really a

489
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<v Speaker 13>customer experience company, and they want to be part of it.

490
00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:01.079
<v Speaker 14>Now.

491
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<v Speaker 13>I will say that a lot of the dealers that

492
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<v Speaker 13>we have removed. Some of them are new ide less

493
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:08.759
<v Speaker 13>than a year. Some of them have been with us

494
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:12.440
<v Speaker 13>for a few years, all sorts of reasons. They don't

495
00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:14.720
<v Speaker 13>want to be part of that, and some of them

496
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:17.799
<v Speaker 13>got upset when we remove them, which is okay. They

497
00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:19.640
<v Speaker 13>have the right to run their business the way they

498
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<v Speaker 13>see fit. And the reality is is that in this

499
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:25.920
<v Speaker 13>day and age on the Internet, anyone can say anything

500
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:30.759
<v Speaker 13>and it's basically you're guilty until you're proven innocent, and

501
00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:34.839
<v Speaker 13>the entirety of the Internet will come to the defense

502
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:37.839
<v Speaker 13>of something they think is not fair and do no

503
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:39.000
<v Speaker 13>fact checking on it.

504
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:41.519
<v Speaker 14>Okay, I've had a little bit of all of that.

505
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I saw the online postings of a gun store

506
00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:46.319
<v Speaker 6>and there were some things in there that turned out

507
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:49.160
<v Speaker 6>to not be accurate. But having said that, I'm looking

508
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:51.400
<v Speaker 6>at the letter right now, and you know, honestly, I

509
00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:54.680
<v Speaker 6>was to say, I think people who understand business say, look,

510
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:58.720
<v Speaker 6>you are free Estacado to make any changes you want

511
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<v Speaker 6>to in your distribution system and do whatever you need

512
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:03.880
<v Speaker 6>to do to your dealer network. At the same time,

513
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:06.359
<v Speaker 6>the comment I'm getting for people is, yeah, you got

514
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:09.039
<v Speaker 6>the right to do that. It's not what you did,

515
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:12.119
<v Speaker 6>it's the way you did it and telling people, Okay,

516
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:14.480
<v Speaker 6>you are, as of this moment no longer a dealer.

517
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:17.079
<v Speaker 6>We're not going to honor your orders, even though you

518
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:20.400
<v Speaker 6>may have placed orders for your customers. We canceled all

519
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:24.039
<v Speaker 6>of your existing back orders. No products are eligible for

520
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:27.799
<v Speaker 6>a return, no new orders will be accepted. You got

521
00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:30.880
<v Speaker 6>to take down your branding. It's like these are people

522
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.759
<v Speaker 6>who have money on the line, and it sure seems

523
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:36.720
<v Speaker 6>like you pull the rug out from under well.

524
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:38.559
<v Speaker 13>And a big piece of this is stuff that we

525
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:42.039
<v Speaker 13>would not go into specifics and name dealers by name,

526
00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:46.000
<v Speaker 13>as far as not returning inventory that is part of

527
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:50.119
<v Speaker 13>the dealer contract they signed. So eighty percent of that

528
00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:53.319
<v Speaker 13>letter is reiterating things that they knew when they signed

529
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:55.440
<v Speaker 13>the dealer contract to come on board as a dealer.

530
00:27:56.200 --> 00:28:00.039
<v Speaker 13>I will say that one of the biggest decisions and

531
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.640
<v Speaker 13>who we cut and how outside of customer service reports

532
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:09.119
<v Speaker 13>from individuals calling us, is paying invoices on time. There's

533
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:11.519
<v Speaker 13>a lot of dealers out there that want to use

534
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:14.799
<v Speaker 13>us as a credit union and not pay invoices on time.

535
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:18.039
<v Speaker 13>And I say that because most people don't know this,

536
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 13>but we essentially it takes us about eight weeks to

537
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:25.400
<v Speaker 13>make one pistol, So eight weeks of labor, raw materials,

538
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:29.599
<v Speaker 13>shipping everything, right, sure, eight weeks that gun.

539
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:30.160
<v Speaker 14>Goes out the door.

540
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:34.079
<v Speaker 13>Our dealers, our dealer contractor net thirty terms, so once

541
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:36.079
<v Speaker 13>they receive it, they have thirty days to pay for it.

542
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:39.160
<v Speaker 13>A lot of dealers don't like that, or they want

543
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:40.799
<v Speaker 13>to sell the gun as fast as they can and

544
00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:43.640
<v Speaker 13>then use that money to float purchases from other companies,

545
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:45.720
<v Speaker 13>bills or whatever they're going to do and not pay

546
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.240
<v Speaker 13>us back. So at any given time, if we have

547
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:50.799
<v Speaker 13>a high percentage of dealers that are not paying on time,

548
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:53.839
<v Speaker 13>we're essentially acting as a credit union with loans out

549
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:57.880
<v Speaker 13>that are outstanding for investments that we've already paid into.

550
00:28:58.200 --> 00:28:59.839
<v Speaker 14>And that's not good for any business.

551
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.480
<v Speaker 6>You sure you're not saying that these two hundred dealers

552
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:06.960
<v Speaker 6>that got cut off are all late pay dealerships we have.

553
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:10.079
<v Speaker 14>At some point in time. Yes, it is fairly common.

554
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:12.799
<v Speaker 13>Now we have dealers that have paid late in the past,

555
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:16.480
<v Speaker 13>that had family issues, or they were closed on a

556
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:19.160
<v Speaker 13>holiday for some reason. Those are normal things and we

557
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:23.039
<v Speaker 13>always work around that. I'll use an example. There is

558
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:25.680
<v Speaker 13>one dealer that has not made a payment since October

559
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:26.400
<v Speaker 13>of last year.

560
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:31.680
<v Speaker 6>Why don't you just deal with that dealer instead of

561
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:33.319
<v Speaker 6>cutting off a couple hundred.

562
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:35.400
<v Speaker 14>Well, multiple reasons.

563
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:38.240
<v Speaker 13>One, all of them that we have cut have either

564
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:43.480
<v Speaker 13>had poor customer service, poor payments, abrasive with our personnel

565
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:45.680
<v Speaker 13>when we call and talk to them, abrasive with our

566
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:47.960
<v Speaker 13>customer service, sales teams.

567
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:51.640
<v Speaker 14>All of that, all of them. Yes. The other issue

568
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:55.759
<v Speaker 14>is we have built the business.

569
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:59.000
<v Speaker 13>Of the pistol side of our business ahead of schedule,

570
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:00.319
<v Speaker 13>were where we wanted to be.

571
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:02.599
<v Speaker 14>It grew much faster than we thought it would be.

572
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:05.920
<v Speaker 13>We want to be able to support the dealers that

573
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:08.440
<v Speaker 13>we have in our network at a much greater level.

574
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:09.839
<v Speaker 14>Than just shipping them products.

575
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:13.160
<v Speaker 13>We want to be holding events there, We want to

576
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.799
<v Speaker 13>be doing all these things to help those dealers grow.

577
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:19.240
<v Speaker 13>And a lot of dealers don't want us being involved

578
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:21.960
<v Speaker 13>in that, are having any interactions with the customers that

579
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:25.640
<v Speaker 13>come in their store. So it's a shifting business model really, yeah,

580
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:26.440
<v Speaker 13>and that makes sense.

581
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:28.319
<v Speaker 6>And like I said, I don't know of anybody who

582
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:31.440
<v Speaker 6>has a problem with that. It's just honestly, it's just

583
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:35.759
<v Speaker 6>the letter, the tone of the letter. It's like you're

584
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:38.720
<v Speaker 6>a cutoff as of this moment. You may have orders

585
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:41.880
<v Speaker 6>with us that you have taken from a customer, We're

586
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.839
<v Speaker 6>going to cut those off as well. In essence, you

587
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:48.720
<v Speaker 6>may be a mom and pop store, but we don't care.

588
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:50.279
<v Speaker 6>I mean, that's what it sounds.

589
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:53.240
<v Speaker 14>Like, and it probably could have been warded. That was

590
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:54.759
<v Speaker 14>not the intent of the tone.

591
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:58.759
<v Speaker 13>The intent of the tone was taking the parts verbatim

592
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:01.000
<v Speaker 13>out of the dealer agreements have been signed by both

593
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 13>parties and restating them so that they understand that this

594
00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:08.960
<v Speaker 13>is something they signed. This is the repercussions of not

595
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:12.359
<v Speaker 13>meeting their endo, the agreements and things like that. I

596
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:15.119
<v Speaker 13>don't disagree, it can be misconstrued in the wrong way,

597
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:16.759
<v Speaker 13>and I understand.

598
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:18.359
<v Speaker 14>Some people's pushback with that.

599
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.559
<v Speaker 13>That being said, there's also no dealers on that list

600
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:23.759
<v Speaker 13>that we remove that don't have other dealers in the

601
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:27.319
<v Speaker 13>same local area. It's not like we're pulling things out

602
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.079
<v Speaker 13>so people can't find our guns. We're not getting rid

603
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:32.039
<v Speaker 13>of all our dealers so people can only find them

604
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.400
<v Speaker 13>on our website. And there's a lot of things that

605
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:36.720
<v Speaker 13>have been said that are just kind of coming from

606
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.279
<v Speaker 13>left field and not necessarily true at all.

607
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.400
<v Speaker 6>Okay, Yeah, I mean, I just i'd look at the

608
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:49.000
<v Speaker 6>dealer network and FFL's out there. You know, the ecosystem

609
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:53.240
<v Speaker 6>of the gun business is not just manufacturer and store.

610
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.640
<v Speaker 6>It's also the customers, and it is the feeling of

611
00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:59.000
<v Speaker 6>belonging and being part of it. Obviously, that's what you're

612
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:02.319
<v Speaker 6>trying to foster. This same time, there's this and you

613
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:07.720
<v Speaker 6>understand it. There is this danger of pushback, a blowback

614
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:10.200
<v Speaker 6>on the internet. I've seen it before, I mean way

615
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:14.359
<v Speaker 6>back pretty much put Smith and Wesson out the door

616
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.480
<v Speaker 6>and under the table. They had to get purchased by

617
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.599
<v Speaker 6>somebody else when they blew it online. And I'm just

618
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.400
<v Speaker 6>watching this blow up right now and going, man, just

619
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:23.319
<v Speaker 6>they could get bad.

620
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:26.400
<v Speaker 13>It could And I think this is going to take

621
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:29.240
<v Speaker 13>a lot of transparency from our side going forward on

622
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:32.160
<v Speaker 13>why we do the things we do. Like I said earlier,

623
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:35.960
<v Speaker 13>you know, airing other businesses dirty laundry is not something

624
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:37.880
<v Speaker 13>we want to do and never will do by name.

625
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:40.000
<v Speaker 3>But ultimately, you.

626
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:43.839
<v Speaker 14>Have to pick partners who work within a partnership.

627
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:46.279
<v Speaker 13>And believe in what you're doing and want to provide

628
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:50.079
<v Speaker 13>the best customer experience they can, And that's who we

629
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:53.559
<v Speaker 13>want to invest our time and effort into not people

630
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:56.640
<v Speaker 13>who generally don't like us, don't have good customer service,

631
00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:58.640
<v Speaker 13>don't want to adhere to the contracts they.

632
00:32:58.519 --> 00:32:59.279
<v Speaker 14>Signed, etc.

633
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:01.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where do you go from here?

634
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:04.160
<v Speaker 13>Serving the people that we are investing in our dealers

635
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:04.799
<v Speaker 13>that we do have.

636
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<v Speaker 14>So I'm sure you've seen some of our dealers.

637
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.119
<v Speaker 13>Have actually come out and made their own post online

638
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:11.920
<v Speaker 13>about how great we are to work with and how

639
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:15.200
<v Speaker 13>they're super happy that we're continuing with them and that there's.

640
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:16.240
<v Speaker 14>More to come at their stores.

641
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:18.559
<v Speaker 13>What we want to do is be the company that's

642
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<v Speaker 13>actually able to support those stores.

643
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<v Speaker 14>And that takes the right sizing, that takes the right.

644
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:26.240
<v Speaker 13>Store from a mindset perspective as far as what they

645
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:28.680
<v Speaker 13>want to provide for their customer, And that takes us

646
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:31.240
<v Speaker 13>proving that what we're saying is true and actually following

647
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<v Speaker 13>through and doing that with those dealers, because they'll be

648
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<v Speaker 13>the very first ones to come out publicly if we

649
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:38.000
<v Speaker 13>don't support.

650
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<v Speaker 14>Them the way that we're saying we're going to right now.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, and it all makes sense, I mean, I understand

652
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:46.160
<v Speaker 6>where you're going. It is an aspirational brand. You have

653
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:50.079
<v Speaker 6>established Tocado as a not just a gun company, as

654
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:54.759
<v Speaker 6>you say, but a company that provides experience throughout the

655
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:57.720
<v Speaker 6>whole range of whether it's the fire of itself, the

656
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:02.960
<v Speaker 6>purchasing experience, an experience, on and on. I mean, I

657
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:05.599
<v Speaker 6>will tell you I look at Sicado as being the

658
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.679
<v Speaker 6>red bull in terms of marketing and all. I mean,

659
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:11.079
<v Speaker 6>you guys just do a fabulous job. So I get

660
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:13.920
<v Speaker 6>where you're going with this, And I guess this is

661
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:16.199
<v Speaker 6>just a whether you call it a hiccup or a

662
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:18.920
<v Speaker 6>speed bump in the road, I think you know you

663
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<v Speaker 6>got to get past this letter and the reaction to it.

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<v Speaker 14>Yep.

665
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<v Speaker 13>And the other reality too is and I can say

666
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:27.800
<v Speaker 13>this because I started in the SDI days. I've been

667
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:31.519
<v Speaker 13>here for about nine years now. Everyone was very vocal

668
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:33.519
<v Speaker 13>about how we were going to fail because we were

669
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:35.800
<v Speaker 13>starting to do things different back in twenty eighteen and

670
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:39.840
<v Speaker 13>twenty nineteen. Nobody really thought what we said we were

671
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:42.440
<v Speaker 13>going to do we were actually going to do and

672
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:45.199
<v Speaker 13>also be successful a lot. And we have kind of

673
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:48.280
<v Speaker 13>proved that over time, and a lot of people don't

674
00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:49.159
<v Speaker 13>like that because.

675
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:49.880
<v Speaker 14>They were proven wrong.

676
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:51.800
<v Speaker 13>And I see a lot of people in the comments

677
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:54.840
<v Speaker 13>section that I remember seeing in the comment section back

678
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:57.159
<v Speaker 13>in the STI days saying the exact same kind.

679
00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:59.280
<v Speaker 14>Of things about us, even though they weren't true then either.

680
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:02.079
<v Speaker 13>And I think the most important thing we have to

681
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:05.159
<v Speaker 13>do as a company is be transparent and show that

682
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 13>we truly mean what we say when it comes to

683
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.440
<v Speaker 13>the customer service, customer experience, and supporting our dealer network

684
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.719
<v Speaker 13>like they're one of our customers, because ultimately they are

685
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:16.599
<v Speaker 13>who you pick as a dealer is an extension of

686
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:19.599
<v Speaker 13>your brand to brand business like they represent you in

687
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:23.119
<v Speaker 13>the marketplace when you can't be there, and you have

688
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:26.400
<v Speaker 13>to have good partnerships for that to work fair.

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<v Speaker 6>Enough, I mean, and I appreciate you explaining it. I

690
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:32.360
<v Speaker 6>hope you felt like this was a fair representation or

691
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.079
<v Speaker 6>a chance for you to explain this to people.

692
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<v Speaker 13>Absolutely, and thank you for allowing me the time to

693
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:40.719
<v Speaker 13>kind of get the other side of the story a

694
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<v Speaker 13>little bit.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, that was an interesting interview. And look, I get

696
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:49.400
<v Speaker 6>it most people are not paying a lot of attention

697
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:51.239
<v Speaker 6>to this, but on the internet this has been blowing

698
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:55.840
<v Speaker 6>up and Staccato r upfolds some feathers. Having said that,

699
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:59.039
<v Speaker 6>I understand this. Staccato came out of a company called

700
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:04.519
<v Speaker 6>STI in Texas and they kind of established they weren't

701
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:08.119
<v Speaker 6>the first double stacked nineteen eleven. Okay, maybe I don't know,

702
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:11.280
<v Speaker 6>maybe Pair of Ordinance was, I'm not sure, but they

703
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.079
<v Speaker 6>promoted it, expanded it. It's what people think of when

704
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:18.360
<v Speaker 6>they think of double stacked nineteen elevens. Of course, now

705
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:21.679
<v Speaker 6>you have any number of companies making them. Springfield has them,

706
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:25.480
<v Speaker 6>Kimber has them, Te Sauce has them. I mean, everybody

707
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:28.280
<v Speaker 6>seems like everybody's got them now. And if there's a

708
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:31.039
<v Speaker 6>handgun maker that doesn't have it, they're probably working on

709
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 6>it right now. And you can get them anywhere from

710
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.440
<v Speaker 6>one hundred thousand bucks to nine thousand dollars.

711
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 2>You'll pay your money, take a choice.

712
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:43.400
<v Speaker 6>Just interesting to see what's going on there, and that

713
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:49.000
<v Speaker 6>the fact that Stacado is repositioning or maybe reinforcing their

714
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.840
<v Speaker 6>position in the marketplace with this. So anyway, I'm just

715
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:54.360
<v Speaker 6>going to give them an opportunity to come on and

716
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:58.719
<v Speaker 6>talk about that. Yet other news, as we say, the

717
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:04.440
<v Speaker 6>Department of Justice, that's our US Justice Department officially says

718
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<v Speaker 6>that law abiding Americans can carry guns in post offices.

719
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<v Speaker 6>In public post offices. The distinction is important because there

720
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<v Speaker 6>are some post offices that are in federal buildings where,

721
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.559
<v Speaker 6>for instance, you'd have to go in maybe even have

722
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:21.840
<v Speaker 6>to go through security, or they are post offices on

723
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.599
<v Speaker 6>military basis and you can't carry there. But if it's

724
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:29.119
<v Speaker 6>generally open to the public, you can now carry in

725
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 6>post office. Well what's the big deal up until now? Well,

726
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:37.639
<v Speaker 6>I guess I've had a different interpretation of their regulations.

727
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.960
<v Speaker 6>But then again, I didn't want to go put myself

728
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.679
<v Speaker 6>in jeopardy of a federal fellon name the post office,

729
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:48.519
<v Speaker 6>and the rigs said you can't carry a gun into

730
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:55.960
<v Speaker 6>a post office except that Actually what it said was except,

731
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:59.599
<v Speaker 6>oh yeah, you could couldn't carry unless it was incident

732
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:06.440
<v Speaker 6>to hunting or other lawful purposes. Well, I have, for

733
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:10.320
<v Speaker 6>twenty five or thirty years interpreted that as other lawful purposes,

734
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.719
<v Speaker 6>cause still carry is a lawful purpose. Self protection is

735
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:16.719
<v Speaker 6>a lawful purpose. That's been my position all along. I

736
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:19.760
<v Speaker 6>was hoping I never had to protect myself in court

737
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.400
<v Speaker 6>on that. But now the Department of Justice comes out

738
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:28.920
<v Speaker 6>and says, yes, self defense is qualifies as a lawful purpose,

739
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:31.960
<v Speaker 6>and you don't have to be defending yourself in the

740
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:36.199
<v Speaker 6>post office. You just have to be carrying for self defense.

741
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:38.800
<v Speaker 6>And now you are legal to carry into a post office.

742
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:42.360
<v Speaker 6>So for many, many years a lot of us have said, yeah,

743
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:44.239
<v Speaker 6>I got to take our guns off, leave them in

744
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:44.639
<v Speaker 6>the car.

745
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:45.599
<v Speaker 2>Don't like to do that.

746
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:47.199
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, And by the way, you can't do that

747
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.480
<v Speaker 6>if you've parked in the parking lot of the post office,

748
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:51.400
<v Speaker 6>because that's the property. So you got to go park

749
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.360
<v Speaker 6>on the streets somewhere and then come into the post office.

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00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:55.159
<v Speaker 2>No more of that.

751
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:58.239
<v Speaker 6>If you can carry legally, you can carry into a

752
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:02.440
<v Speaker 6>post office. Mosta it's the public post office. Our number

753
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:04.639
<v Speaker 6>here is eighty six six. Talk Gun or Tom Talk

754
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:07.239
<v Speaker 6>Gun or open lines. If you've been doing some shooting,

755
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:09.400
<v Speaker 6>you've been too the range, bought a new gun, or

756
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:12.000
<v Speaker 6>maybe you're thinking about buying the suppressor and not having

757
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.280
<v Speaker 6>to do the farm. Give me a call, let me

758
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:27.960
<v Speaker 6>know what you're thinking, or if you've already done it. Hey,

759
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.800
<v Speaker 6>we just stumbled upon something I was not aware of

760
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:32.639
<v Speaker 6>this story. It'll be coming up in just a few

761
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:38.079
<v Speaker 6>minutes here. But evidently AMO supplies are lower than they

762
00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:44.880
<v Speaker 6>have been recent passed, but prices have not gone up yet.

763
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:46.639
<v Speaker 6>We'll have a little bit more about that in just

764
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:49.039
<v Speaker 6>a few minutes. You definitely want to stay here for that.

765
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:51.639
<v Speaker 6>Let's go grab line two kindles with us out of

766
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:53.960
<v Speaker 6>South Dakota. Hey Kendle, you're on gun Talk. What's your

767
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:55.199
<v Speaker 6>take on thistacado thing.

768
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<v Speaker 15>I think it's absolutely brilliant marketing. You know, was the

769
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:04.639
<v Speaker 15>elite brand for a long time, and now, you know,

770
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.119
<v Speaker 15>I'm going to my local gun store. There's brands I

771
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:08.920
<v Speaker 15>don't remember the names of them, but they were, you know,

772
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:12.079
<v Speaker 15>the twelve thousand, the eight thousand dollars pistols. You know,

773
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:14.920
<v Speaker 15>they looked like a staicado. I couldn't really tell them

774
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:17.880
<v Speaker 15>much difference to them in a soicado, but they were

775
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:21.639
<v Speaker 15>charging a whole lot more money than the staccato. And

776
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:26.320
<v Speaker 15>Chicago was on the verge of becoming like a production gun,

777
00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:29.519
<v Speaker 15>you know, like a kimber Dock or Springfield, and they

778
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:34.639
<v Speaker 15>want to maintain their elite status. So you know, this

779
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:38.679
<v Speaker 15>is brilliant marketing. This way that they'll maintain that elite,

780
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:40.599
<v Speaker 15>they'll be able to bump their price up, you know,

781
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:43.079
<v Speaker 15>for the same exact pistol, you know, because as they'll

782
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:45.719
<v Speaker 15>be more elite again, you know, you'll.

783
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Have to go to a special store.

784
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:47.280
<v Speaker 15>Marketing.

785
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, it is market That's where I made the point.

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00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:52.159
<v Speaker 6>I said, look, these guys are the Red Bull of

787
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.360
<v Speaker 6>marketing in the gun world, because red Bull they make

788
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:58.079
<v Speaker 6>a similar little drink, but they are fabulous at marketing

789
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:01.000
<v Speaker 6>the thing, and I think Staccato is doing that. And

790
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:04.639
<v Speaker 6>to your point, these stores become more exclusive. You'd get

791
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.960
<v Speaker 6>to go into an exclusive store which you can't get

792
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.760
<v Speaker 6>this gun yet just everywhere, and it becomes a little

793
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:13.000
<v Speaker 6>bit special and when you pull it out at the range,

794
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:14.159
<v Speaker 6>your buddies, I want to see.

795
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:18.519
<v Speaker 15>It right, Well, what's Chaccados? They realized they screwed up.

796
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:21.679
<v Speaker 15>They didn't charge enough. If they would have been charging

797
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:23.760
<v Speaker 15>the eight and the twelve thousand dollars, everything would have

798
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:27.199
<v Speaker 15>been fine. They just realized that there was there was

799
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:31.039
<v Speaker 15>more to grab. So so you know, the other companies

800
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:34.920
<v Speaker 15>were getting, you know, the eight to twelve thousand dollars

801
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.800
<v Speaker 15>for their pistols, which I can't tell is any better

802
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:41.599
<v Speaker 15>than the Sicado. You know that I can't tell the difference.

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00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:44.960
<v Speaker 6>So let me ask you, what's your prediction. Do you

804
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 6>think Schcicado's going to end up having to raiseist prices?

805
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:51.480
<v Speaker 6>What are they are Scicado going to have to raise

806
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:52.039
<v Speaker 6>its prices.

807
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.840
<v Speaker 15>Now, oh yeah, sure they are. They want to grab

808
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:59.239
<v Speaker 15>that eight to twelve thousand dollars market too. Why are

809
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:02.119
<v Speaker 15>these that much on a pistol? Beats the heck out

810
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:02.280
<v Speaker 15>of me.

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00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:06.280
<v Speaker 6>But well, you know, I mean, honestly, it's like, you know,

812
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:08.159
<v Speaker 6>why would you pay more for a car, a truck

813
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:10.760
<v Speaker 6>or anything else? You go, Yeah, my toe Yota will

814
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:12.679
<v Speaker 6>do the same thing we had does, but I want that,

815
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:13.679
<v Speaker 6>And look.

816
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:14.320
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate the call.

817
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.280
<v Speaker 6>That is ultimately the bottom line on the why thing

818
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:18.199
<v Speaker 6>is because I want.

819
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:19.639
<v Speaker 2>It, I can afford it. I want it.

820
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:21.559
<v Speaker 6>Sometimes it's I want it, I can't afford it, but

821
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.840
<v Speaker 6>I'm going to buy it anyway. We've all, man, I

822
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:27.000
<v Speaker 6>got a whole drawer full of T shirts of that oney,

823
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:28.679
<v Speaker 6>I can't afford it, but I'm want to buy it anyway.

824
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:30.119
<v Speaker 2>Holy cal uh.

825
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:34.159
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, I mean, you got the Joseph Grays, you

826
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.440
<v Speaker 6>got to add less, you got you know, real expensive,

827
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:39.559
<v Speaker 6>which also have the less expensive double stack nineteen elevens,

828
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.239
<v Speaker 6>which we always call them twenty elevens.

829
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:43.440
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like the Kleenex.

830
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:47.239
<v Speaker 6>Now, Chicato actually does have a trademark on the term

831
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:51.920
<v Speaker 6>twenty eleven, but nobody pays much attention to that these days.

832
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:57.760
<v Speaker 6>Interesting idea, though, Will they raise their prices? They didn't

833
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:00.760
<v Speaker 6>mention that. I didn't ask. I should have ask. Will

834
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:05.599
<v Speaker 6>they raise their prices as part of this marketing push

835
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:07.519
<v Speaker 6>to make them more exclusive?

836
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Very possibly? I don't know.

837
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:13.719
<v Speaker 6>I don't have any information about that. Don't say you know.

838
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:16.119
<v Speaker 6>Don't tell people that Tom said they're raising their prices.

839
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:19.719
<v Speaker 6>I have no idea that that's the case. But Kendall

840
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.960
<v Speaker 6>mentioned it, and I hadn't thought of it. But it's

841
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:26.280
<v Speaker 6>an interesting idea. They have actually been companies and products

842
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 6>where they have increased sales by raising their prices and

843
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:34.480
<v Speaker 6>making them more desirable, maybe more elite. And we'll have

844
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:36.119
<v Speaker 6>to see. By the way, do you have.

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<v Speaker 2>A double stack nineteen eleven? Which one do you have?

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<v Speaker 6>I would love to get a few range of courts

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<v Speaker 6>on both to see how you like them. Are they

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<v Speaker 6>just for range use competition? Or do you actually carry

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<v Speaker 6>a double stack? Nineteen eleven? Our number year is eight

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<v Speaker 6>six six Talk Gunner, Tom, Talk gun. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 6>we have less AMMO, but prices aren't up yet.
