Speaker 1: All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm True Seeker with the
Speaker 1: True Secret Podcast, and today I'm going to be interviewing
Speaker 1: Calvin Parker of the Haskagoula The Closest Encounter book that
Speaker 1: came out an abduction story experience, and so we're going
Speaker 1: to be getting into some of the details about this book,
Speaker 1: his personal stories, encounters, beliefs, What's Happened, Just Happened.
Speaker 2: October eleventh and nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1: Three, nineteen seventy three. So this book is an exhaustive
Speaker 1: concordance about his story and just about the whole field
Speaker 1: of youthology in general. So we're gonna we're gonna go
Speaker 1: deep on this one. So Calvin, welcome to the podcast. Man,
Speaker 1: thank you for spending this time with me, having us
Speaker 1: This is good stuff. So I've been following your story
Speaker 1: for some years now. I probably first heard about it
Speaker 1: in twenty ten, twenty eleven, you know, being from Mobile,
Speaker 1: I'm in you know, we're down here in the Bible Belt,
Speaker 1: and so there's not a lot of people coming forward
Speaker 1: with their UFO story or anything spiritual or whatever. So
Speaker 1: looking up some of the ones that kind of happened
Speaker 1: around my area definitely leads you over to Golf Breeze
Speaker 1: and Pensacola area. There's a lot of stories there. But
Speaker 1: coming a little bit west of Mobile, we have this
Speaker 1: story here in Pascagoula, Mississippi, which was phenomenal. There was
Speaker 1: just a bunch of press online. I didn't know there
Speaker 1: was this much press, Like all of the stuff that's
Speaker 1: in this book, there's so much in here. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that there was this much. But it means a
Speaker 1: lot to me that it's close to home, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to have you on the podcast. Usually we do
Speaker 1: a video cast just through the cell phone and things
Speaker 1: like that, but since you're this close down here, you
Speaker 1: know in the Bible, Bet, I was like, we got
Speaker 1: to make this happen in person. So again, thanks book.
Speaker 3: It just covers probably half of what's in there. So
Speaker 3: it's every day we have something that we're going to
Speaker 3: add to it as an addition to the book.
Speaker 1: The book, like I said, is exhaustive. I knew that
Speaker 1: there was a bunch of stuff. There was a bunch
Speaker 1: of interviews, clipping and stuff like that, but this thing
Speaker 1: is full of it. Oh yeah, and you guys captured
Speaker 1: all that I know you worked with Philip Manchell, the publisher,
Speaker 1: to get this stuff out, and he did a great
Speaker 1: job as far as finding a.
Speaker 2: Job.
Speaker 3: When we got started, I just kind of wrote my
Speaker 3: story a little bit and he would keep me straightened
Speaker 3: out because I don't have much education, so I wasn't
Speaker 3: a writer. I didn't want to be a writer. Actually,
Speaker 3: I didn't want to write the book. So it came
Speaker 3: around that Philip had contacted me, and it just happened
Speaker 3: to hit at the right time. My wife and I
Speaker 3: had went to a wake at a funeral home and
Speaker 3: I had signed the register and there was people coming
Speaker 3: from everywhere wanting to talk to me, and we felt
Speaker 3: like that was really disrespectful to talk about this and
Speaker 3: this lady's this guy's funeral here was a neighbor of ours.
Speaker 3: So after the funeral, we was on the way home.
Speaker 3: My wife I said maybe we should write a book.
Speaker 3: I thought, now, this fat boy ain't gonna write a
Speaker 3: book because.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't have the education too.
Speaker 3: And I had dodged this all these years, from nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy three on. I never talked about this to family,
Speaker 3: to friends, to no one. So it comes after the
Speaker 3: way I got home and I didn't no more than
Speaker 3: get home than Philip had searched me down, been hunting
Speaker 3: me for years, wanting to interview me on another subject
Speaker 3: because he.
Speaker 2: Didn't think I would write a book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we talked about it and he asked me
Speaker 3: if I would consider it, and of course I was
Speaker 3: gonna blow him off. I said, of course I'll consider it.
Speaker 3: I'll let me find a ghostwriter or something. But in
Speaker 3: the back of my mind I was blowing him off
Speaker 3: and I was borrowing my wife off.
Speaker 2: I didn't really want to do a book.
Speaker 3: So he called back one day and he said, why
Speaker 3: didn't you want to write a book? I said, because
Speaker 3: everybody changes stuff, you know, you give a press release.
Speaker 3: Time you get the press release out there, it's a
Speaker 3: hundred times more than what it was and now and
Speaker 3: I said, I will write a book. I do not
Speaker 3: want to book edited in no way, and believe it
Speaker 3: or not, he agreed, being a publisher and a good
Speaker 3: publisher he is. He did agree not to edit the book,
Speaker 3: and in ways that was a mistake for me, because
Speaker 3: I could have let him editor, spelling it all exactly.
Speaker 2: I didn't. But people love this like it is.
Speaker 3: They say it's like setting in the living room listening
Speaker 3: to you tell the story. So I have a real
Speaker 3: good relationship, working relationship with Philip and he's become a
Speaker 3: friend since then. And he dug out all the information.
Speaker 3: He said, I know this son, is take two or
Speaker 3: three years to do. I said, oh, okay, if I'm
Speaker 3: read it in a week, i'm writing it in a week.
Speaker 3: He said, well, I know it's gonna take a long
Speaker 3: time to it. We not in no hurry. Just take
Speaker 3: your time and do it. So I told my wife,
Speaker 3: I'm going to my bedroom. I'm gonna close the door
Speaker 3: and I'll come out when we got a book, bring
Speaker 3: you something to drink about once a day and something
Speaker 3: they hate about every other day. And we got in
Speaker 3: there and with Philip's help, you know, he'd kind of
Speaker 3: guide me a little bit. We did the book two weeks.
Speaker 3: Where was walking out with a book, and by the
Speaker 3: time I finished that, he had all the information on
Speaker 3: the inside, all the details, all the facts. He even
Speaker 3: had a tape from the late Bud Hopkins where I
Speaker 3: had went down and had him hypnotize me on a
Speaker 3: different submissing time, and that's in the book. And I
Speaker 3: didn't know I was even hypnotized. It was really shocking
Speaker 3: with surprised.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean there's a lot just to even unpack
Speaker 1: with that before we even get into the story. Really,
Speaker 1: as far as like how quick you got the book out,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a big thing too, Like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people who they've been through some really traumatic experiences.
Speaker 1: They have some experiences that can help other people that
Speaker 1: want to write a book. But like you said, this
Speaker 1: is maybe a three year venture, you guys knocked it
Speaker 1: out in two weeks. Is definitely an exhaustive books. And
Speaker 1: he did all the back end research and collecting all the.
Speaker 2: Ever his great Eddy.
Speaker 3: He's probably one of the best publishers they need to
Speaker 3: back to get.
Speaker 2: I know he's the best on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And because he is so detailed and he hustled so
Speaker 3: much and he does that he's not just af there
Speaker 3: for the book.
Speaker 2: He's a truth hunter, like you say, he.
Speaker 3: Wants the cold hard facts and if they're not there,
Speaker 3: he won't put them in that book or nothing. So
Speaker 3: I've enjoyed working with him. I can't wait to go
Speaker 3: to the UK in August and meeting Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh so you guys haven't met him person yet.
Speaker 3: Well, no, we hadn't, but we do a lot of skypping. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we do a lot of emailing. And so far, if
Speaker 3: he told me the world's coming to the end tomorrow,
Speaker 3: and you know, I'd go ahead and take my last riots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good man. So as far as just unpacking
Speaker 1: the story for people who haven't heard of it, some
Speaker 1: people are unfamiliar with it, you know, it being so big,
Speaker 1: and especially when it comes to uthology, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people who have done their research. You've been doing interviews,
Speaker 1: and the news has covered you. And I mean, this
Speaker 1: happened back in the seventies and we have everything from there.
Speaker 1: It was in the newspaper, but there's like a resurgence
Speaker 1: of it now. I mean, you know, I want to,
Speaker 1: you know, really get into the story. But that was
Speaker 1: kind of a time where it wasn't accepted to be
Speaker 1: talking about this kind of stuff, especially in the South
Speaker 1: in the Bible Belt, talking about UFOs and aliens and
Speaker 1: being abducted and there's really the stuff of horror movies.
Speaker 1: Now there's a niche for this where like so many
Speaker 1: people are drawn to it. I want to talk to you.
Speaker 1: I got all these questions, but let's just go ahead
Speaker 1: and unpack the story a little bit, just for those
Speaker 1: who aren't familiar with with your incident.
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh, everybody, keep in mind that in nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 3: there were no cell phones, There was no social media
Speaker 3: or anything like that. So this happened on October the eleventh,
Speaker 3: seventy three, and it was a beautiful day. It was
Speaker 3: about seventy degrees outside. So a friend of mine got
Speaker 3: off a friend of mine, we had worked together at
Speaker 3: the F. B. Walker and Sons Shipyard, and got off
Speaker 3: work and as we get off, he asked me, he said,
Speaker 3: would you like to go fishing? I said, yeah, anything
Speaker 3: to kill time. So we went out to a place
Speaker 3: called the Sharp Hitter Shipyard, took her fishing equipment. We
Speaker 3: parked and the first thing I noticed when we got
Speaker 3: there is how trashy everything looked, because this ship, we
Speaker 3: all was abandoned and there was trash it that washed
Speaker 3: up on the ground. But living on the coast, you
Speaker 3: know that the high water brings it in and it
Speaker 3: won't take it back out when it easy just stays out,
Speaker 3: and that's one of the things. And I was thinking
Speaker 3: to myself, they need to clean this place up. But
Speaker 3: we was all illegal. They had a trespassing sign up
Speaker 3: and all. And we got we parked the car, and
Speaker 3: he said, well where we fishes, just right down here.
Speaker 3: They got an old grain elevator, and that grain falls
Speaker 3: off his boats and the fish comes up there to
Speaker 3: the grain. We usually do really good dare. So we walked.
Speaker 3: It took about fifteen minutes scuffle down to where we were.
Speaker 3: We sat on the pier and we cast out, and
Speaker 3: we didn't no more get cast out. Well, my mind
Speaker 3: was wondering. I was looking across the river at an
Speaker 3: old coast Guard ship or Noah ship, I can't remember
Speaker 3: which one, and I was thinking to myself, this thing's
Speaker 3: made still, how does it float? I couldn't figure out
Speaker 3: my life how a bunch of steel could float on
Speaker 3: water like that. And I noticed coming from behind me
Speaker 3: was some blue, hazy light and it was reflecting across
Speaker 3: the water toward the ship. Well me, I was thinking,
Speaker 3: we trespassing the laws here, and that was about the
Speaker 3: color that the lights were on patrol cars back then.
Speaker 3: So I stood up and turned around and looked, and
Speaker 3: when I did, it was a real bright light.
Speaker 2: Just overtook the.
Speaker 3: Hazy blue lights and I have to save, you know,
Speaker 3: for an eighteen year old boy back then, I was
Speaker 3: scared to death and I kind of glanced off, trying
Speaker 3: to think of somewhere to go. But there was water
Speaker 3: on the left and water on the right, and water
Speaker 3: in front of me. And I was a good swimmer
Speaker 3: at the time, but I didn't think I survived to breathe.
Speaker 3: But by the time I turned around and looked toward
Speaker 3: the ship, there was three robotic looking creatures coming toward us,
Speaker 3: and it was too late to run anywhere. Well about
Speaker 3: that time, I noticed Charlie had stood up and he
Speaker 3: was looking and they got to us, and I seen
Speaker 3: two of them take.
Speaker 2: Hold of Charlie.
Speaker 3: One of them got a hold of my left arm,
Speaker 3: and I felt a puncture, and all of a sudden
Speaker 3: I got relaxed.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I didn't care I about run or not, and I
Speaker 3: couldn't say nothing. The only thing I could do was
Speaker 3: set there and look forward. So I couldn't turn, I
Speaker 3: couldn't move, and this thing picked us up by the
Speaker 3: arm and floated us inside of the craft, floated us
Speaker 3: up to the door the craft. Well, by that time
Speaker 3: I couldn't turn around and see if Charlie was around
Speaker 3: or not, but I could see the craft and I
Speaker 3: was wondering what the light was coming from. So my
Speaker 3: head was back like that and I was just rolling
Speaker 3: my eyeballs and it was coming out of the paint.
Speaker 3: It it looked like it was coming straight out of
Speaker 3: the paint. It was just a real bright light. And
Speaker 3: I thought, daring, this is something else. And they turned
Speaker 3: and they walked me and turned right and took me
Speaker 3: into a little room. They laid me on about a
Speaker 3: forty five degree I don't know if it was a
Speaker 3: table or what they laid me on, But then something
Speaker 3: like the size of a deck of cards come out
Speaker 3: of the ceiling and it come down about two foot
Speaker 3: right straight in front of my head, and I could
Speaker 3: hear it click. Then it went to the side and
Speaker 3: it clicked, went to the back and it clicked again,
Speaker 3: and it did it one more time. Then it shot
Speaker 3: back up into the ceiling. And that's when I don't
Speaker 3: know if this a more human looking creature came in.
Speaker 3: The other ones just old, ugly looking, robotic looking creature.
Speaker 3: You know, you could tell by the moves that they
Speaker 3: was following some kind of orders or something. So I
Speaker 3: figured in to be robots. But this other creature was
Speaker 3: I'm guessing the female. I don't know if it was
Speaker 3: or not, but I just had that feeling deep that
Speaker 3: is probably a female, because you know, of the small
Speaker 3: features owner and more human looking than the other ones were.
Speaker 3: So she came out from behind the wall and she
Speaker 3: walked up and her fingers was just like our hands,
Speaker 3: except her fingers was longer her and she kind of
Speaker 3: felt around on my cheek and I still wasn't afraid
Speaker 3: at that time because of the I guess the sedation,
Speaker 3: the shot that they gave me. So she took she
Speaker 3: run her fingers down my throat and tried to come
Speaker 3: up through my nasal cavity, and that hurt like hell.
Speaker 3: So I just you know, I was coming out of
Speaker 3: that thing, and I was wanting to get up and
Speaker 3: run and I couldn't. And automatically, now her mouth never moved.
Speaker 3: She had a mouth, but it never moved, but telepathically,
Speaker 3: I guess she said, don't be afraid, We're not going
Speaker 3: to harm you. And then that big creature walked open,
Speaker 3: grabbed me by the arm, and I felt another little
Speaker 3: puncture and she kind of backed up out of the
Speaker 3: way a little bit, and I settled down again, so
Speaker 3: I really wasn't afraid. But she did a few little
Speaker 3: things there, such as I felt like she was looking
Speaker 3: for an end plant or had put one in. She
Speaker 3: looked in my mouth and my nose, and I all
Speaker 3: was bleeding in you know where she had done that.
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden she backed up out
Speaker 3: of the way, and the big ugly creature come in
Speaker 3: and got me and took me back out to the
Speaker 3: river where you set me, and put me out in
Speaker 3: the same spots.
Speaker 2: My arms were stretched.
Speaker 3: Through the river, and they turned around was leaving when
Speaker 3: I got to where I can move again, and I
Speaker 3: heard the voice Charlie said, Calvin, Calvin, you okay? So
Speaker 3: I turned around and looked, and by that time they
Speaker 3: had made it back to the ship. The bright lights
Speaker 3: went off, and this thing just picked straight up off
Speaker 3: the ground a few feet and just disappeared more or less.
Speaker 2: It was so fast.
Speaker 1: Wow. How long did this wholy encounter last? Do you think?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: It's hard to say. I'm going to say forty five
Speaker 3: minutes or an I or something, but it's really hard
Speaker 3: to say. Because we were ship fitting back in and
Speaker 3: slinging the sledge hammer all day. We didn't wear watches
Speaker 3: because of the shock to the watch. So we sat
Speaker 3: there and talked a minute. Because the danger was over then,
Speaker 3: so we decided to sit down and talk for a
Speaker 3: few minutes. And Charlie says, where we need to let
Speaker 3: somebody know us, and now this didn't happen, we don't
Speaker 3: need to let anybody know.
Speaker 2: You're on your own, Charlie, I.
Speaker 3: Said, I don't want to know nobody know what happened,
Speaker 3: because in the seventies I knew if we was considered crazy,
Speaker 3: we never would get a job or nothing else. And
Speaker 3: all I wanted to do was get house, have a family,
Speaker 3: raised my kids, and you know, retire at a job
Speaker 3: somewhere I didn't have.
Speaker 2: To make much money.
Speaker 3: So we sat there and talked and decided where we
Speaker 3: both decided then really we shouldn't tell nobody. So by
Speaker 3: the time we walked back to the car, I noticed
Speaker 3: the car window on my car had been shattered on
Speaker 3: the passenger side. And he said, well, we got to
Speaker 3: tell somebody paid for this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, he wasn't worried about my car. I don't think.
Speaker 2: He said, well, we got to tell somebody. I said, Charlie,
Speaker 2: we don't need to tell a soul. We got in.
Speaker 2: I tried to crank the car.
Speaker 3: Now, this car, I bought it in nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 3: just two months before this. It wouldn't crank. So I
Speaker 3: kept trying, and finally it got to crank the all
Speaker 3: and needless to say, when we got I headed out. Well,
Speaker 3: we passed the Magic March store. Back in there weren't
Speaker 3: cell phones, so we passed the little Magic Mark store
Speaker 3: that had a phone hanging outside. We stopped or he
Speaker 3: said stop here, and he wouldn't call Kesler Air Force Base.
Speaker 3: So when he called them, they said, we don't handle
Speaker 3: UFO reductions anymore. We shut down that unit a long
Speaker 3: time ago. It's no such thing or something like that.
Speaker 3: Call you local authorities. So he come back to the car,
Speaker 3: got another dime, dropped the dime into pay phone, called
Speaker 3: the sheriff department. So the sheriff department all said, well,
Speaker 3: y'all stay where you are. They figured we was drinking.
Speaker 3: First thing I heard Charlie said, well, he said that.
Speaker 3: I asked him. I heard Charlie on the phone. He said,
Speaker 3: now don't laugh, but I got something to tell you,
Speaker 3: and the deputy answered the.
Speaker 2: Phone said, well, I'm I'm not gonna laugh. What was it?
Speaker 3: Charlie said, we was just deducted by Egidens. Well he
Speaker 3: rolled out laughing, and I don't blame him. You know,
Speaker 3: at the time that was unheard of. So he said, y'all,
Speaker 3: don't move, stay right there, don't crank that car for nothing,
Speaker 3: and we'll be there. Well, they must have had a
Speaker 3: unit pretty close, and there's one that pulled up. He
Speaker 3: walked to my side of the car. He looked in
Speaker 3: the car, said, son, get out of the car. So
Speaker 3: I got out of the car and there was one
Speaker 3: on the other side with Charlie. He said, now I
Speaker 3: want you to pull your left leg up, tilt your
Speaker 3: head back, touch your nose, and jump on one foot.
Speaker 3: I gotta see if your drinking. I said, Man, damn,
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't do that sober, much less drinking.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Just go ahead and take me to jail and getting drunk.
Speaker 3: It'd beat where I'm going, he said. But I got
Speaker 3: out and tried it. Done his little filld sobriety testing
Speaker 3: all and he said you're good to drive. He smelled around,
Speaker 3: you know, so it was why they took us. He said,
Speaker 3: followed me to the sheriff department. So we followed him
Speaker 3: and they finished their little alcohol testing on. They determined
Speaker 3: we wasn't drinking, so they was taking us a little
Speaker 3: more serious thing. And well, they took him into a
Speaker 3: room and took me into a room. Now I don't
Speaker 3: know what happened at Charlie's room because I wasn't there,
Speaker 3: but they interrogated me. I didn't want to talk about it,
Speaker 3: so I just kept my mouth shut and I told
Speaker 3: him any excuse I could not to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Then they put us in a room together. And when
Speaker 3: they did that, that's where the secret tape came from
Speaker 3: from the sheriff department.
Speaker 2: So what they call on.
Speaker 3: They left us in this room together, and they had
Speaker 3: a tape recorder room, and they taped their conversations. Now
Speaker 3: I had no clue that this was going on when
Speaker 3: it was. Didn't want to know. I didn't want to
Speaker 3: tape out there. But anyhow they come in they got
Speaker 3: your little tape out. Now I didn't see them get
Speaker 3: your tape because they didn't send us to another little place,
Speaker 3: but apparently they got your little tape out. Listen to it,
Speaker 3: and that's when they called Fred Diamond, the head sheriff.
Speaker 3: He come over. He said, son, y'all go home. Y'all
Speaker 3: go on home, get some rest. And I said, Sheriff,
Speaker 3: I don't want nobody to know. I actually druther nobody
Speaker 3: not know. I don't want to be classified an idiot.
Speaker 3: He said, We're not going to tell anybody. We're not
Speaker 3: in you and we're not in the business of media.
Speaker 3: We're just in the business of checking law. He said,
Speaker 3: But I do want to tell you one thing. If
Speaker 3: this was a hoax, you're going to jail for a
Speaker 3: long way. Is there anything you want to tell me,
Speaker 3: I said, I want to tell you not to turn
Speaker 3: this loose to the press.
Speaker 2: We'll go home.
Speaker 3: So, to make a long story short, we got my car,
Speaker 3: we went back home. Well, when I got home, on
Speaker 3: the way, I told Charlie, I said, you know, it's
Speaker 3: a good chance that we might have radiation or some
Speaker 3: kind of bacterial disease or something, and I think we
Speaker 3: need to go get checked out all of a sudden.
Speaker 3: Don't worry about that. We do that. Later on, I said, well,
Speaker 3: you know, even when the damn astronauts come in from
Speaker 3: out of the baseback. They quarantined them seven days, and
Speaker 3: I said, what if you give your family and everybody
Speaker 3: we know? I said, we could start some kind of
Speaker 3: disease epidemic here. Well, we'll take care of all that tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I take care of that. But I didn't take him
Speaker 2: any word. I went on home.
Speaker 3: I pulled my clothes off, put all my clothes in
Speaker 3: the bag, put my shoes in the bag, well old
Speaker 3: paper bag they had. And there was a gallon of
Speaker 3: bleach on the back of the bathtub. And I started
Speaker 3: at the top of my head and I poured that
Speaker 3: bleach down and I washed myself all the way. Then
Speaker 3: I took a shower. Then I went on to bed.
Speaker 3: The next morning, I carried my clothes out to the
Speaker 3: dumpster and throw them in. So, you know, I was
Speaker 3: really concerned about all that, And it wasn't for me,
Speaker 3: it was more or less for the people involve. Well,
Speaker 3: we didn't know what was going on. The next morning
Speaker 3: we got to work. When we got there, I did
Speaker 3: notice there was a few more cars than what had
Speaker 3: been there, A lot of more cars that had been there.
Speaker 3: We brashed in. We went in to our workstations. Well,
Speaker 3: they sent someone from an office. They said, Calvin, you
Speaker 3: and Charlie got to get up here, and I was wondering, No,
Speaker 3: I bet they found out something. So on the way in,
Speaker 3: I was literally sick because it released it to the media.
Speaker 3: I got on my hands and knees in the parking lot,
Speaker 3: was throwing up because I was just that sick and
Speaker 3: worried about it. So we got there and they said,
Speaker 3: I don't know what went on last night, but we
Speaker 3: can't even get on our phones. We got to shut
Speaker 3: our operation down simply because the media is calling in.
Speaker 3: We can't get on the phone. Somebody's got to do something.
Speaker 3: Y'all gonna have to leave so we can conduct business here.
Speaker 3: They was really nice about.
Speaker 2: It, you know.
Speaker 3: So the owner of the company was there and he said,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna call the lawyer that tends to our business
Speaker 3: and he can work up a press release. Maybe when't
Speaker 3: get rid of some of these people. So during that
Speaker 3: time they called the lawyer, joke on me and go in.
Speaker 3: He worked up a little press release and turned out
Speaker 3: a press release. But little did I know it was
Speaker 3: hundreds of literally hundreds of reporters there and uh, this
Speaker 3: hit the network news. And I still to this day.
Speaker 3: Don't know how it got released. I got my suspicions,
Speaker 3: but I don't know how the story got released. So
Speaker 3: he did a press release. By that time, they decided
Speaker 3: we might or to go to the hospital and go
Speaker 3: to Keysler and get checked for radiation. So one of
Speaker 3: the deputies from the sheriff department came down, put us
Speaker 3: in the car, and they escortats to Singing River Hospital
Speaker 3: where they did a full body examined on us, gave
Speaker 3: us to go ahead to be released and go get
Speaker 3: our radiation check. When we pulled up at Kesler, they
Speaker 3: drove us to Kesler. They was probably Keysler security was
Speaker 3: at the gate, and then we didn't even have to stop.
Speaker 3: He just blinked his lights. We went right on through
Speaker 3: and they took us to a secluded area.
Speaker 2: In the back by an old warehouse.
Speaker 3: They took us out of the car and they run
Speaker 3: I forget what they told me, macritometers or something over
Speaker 3: a body check for radiation. I had a small trace,
Speaker 3: but I knew what it was from. I had worked
Speaker 3: in the old feel before I come, and we used
Speaker 3: radiation tablets in some of our equipment, and that's where
Speaker 3: my little bit came from, which wasn't nothing major. And
Speaker 3: then when we got through, they said they want to
Speaker 3: talk to you in the back. So they als killed
Speaker 3: ued us down a long hallway, and I thought, gosh,
Speaker 3: for something not to be released. You know, we still
Speaker 3: got a heap of stuff going on. So when we
Speaker 3: got to the back, there was some officials back out front,
Speaker 3: the military, a lot of local officials back there, like
Speaker 3: Mayor's police department and all that, and they was really
Speaker 3: nice to us. They set us down and made us
Speaker 3: tell our stories, and I figured I better tell them
Speaker 3: what I could because they were serious about it. Then
Speaker 3: when they get through, they said, y'all can go. The
Speaker 3: sheriff Department took us back to.
Speaker 2: The sh up yard where he was working, and by.
Speaker 3: That time doctor James Allen Heineck and doctor Harder had
Speaker 3: came down. Well, Heineck was over Project Blue Book when
Speaker 3: it was going on, and he come on his own penny.
Speaker 3: He was a truth seeker, so he came down on
Speaker 3: his own penny to interrogate us and to look at
Speaker 3: the site. Of course, kind of disappointed the sheriff Department
Speaker 3: didn't ribon off that site, but they didn't, so Heinick
Speaker 3: went out to the site, looked at him, and then
Speaker 3: they met with Charlie myself, so we told her story again.
Speaker 3: Doctor Harder tried to hypnotize us, gave us an examination
Speaker 3: and checked the puncher marks on our arms again, and
Speaker 3: he couldn't hypnotize me because you know, he said, it
Speaker 3: would just be too traumatic.
Speaker 2: So doctor heineck.
Speaker 3: As an end result, he said, and the press release,
Speaker 3: he said, if these guys are actors, he said, they should,
Speaker 3: they should be in Hollywood. He said, I you know,
Speaker 3: there's something happened to him, and that's kind of.
Speaker 2: Where they left it.
Speaker 3: We we went back in from there, and I got
Speaker 3: my car and went on back to Lawrel, Mississippi, to
Speaker 3: disappear from the public. But it followed me around forty
Speaker 3: five years, has followed me before I got ready to
Speaker 3: write this book. And ninety three I had something that
Speaker 3: happened going fishing. I was missing some time, and I
Speaker 3: had a friend that knew Bud Hopkins, that had knew
Speaker 3: that he had a book out missing time, and they
Speaker 3: suggested that I go see him and talk to him.
Speaker 3: So I decided, I said, well, he's in Florida right now.
Speaker 3: It's just a little twelve hour ride, let's go.
Speaker 2: So we went.
Speaker 3: He went with me and we went up and he
Speaker 3: found Bud Hopkins and I wouldn't go in. He was
Speaker 3: at a conference. I wouldn't go in, and he's told buddy,
Speaker 3: He said, Calvin Parker wants to see you. Well, this
Speaker 3: was in ninety three. I was thinking that man ain't
Speaker 3: gonna know who I am. But he said, telling him
Speaker 3: to go to my room and wait on me. I
Speaker 3: want to see him too. So, to make a long
Speaker 3: story short, we went to his room. Bud come to
Speaker 3: see us, and he asked me if he could hypnotize me.
Speaker 3: I said yeah. I said, Now, don't make me look
Speaker 3: like an idiot and do like I do on these
Speaker 3: Vegas shows. Put stuff in my head and make me
Speaker 3: get up and down, jump up and down and all that.
Speaker 3: I said, as long as legitimate, I'll go along with it.
Speaker 3: And I said, by the way, there's told that buddy mine.
Speaker 3: I said, there's a ball back in the car. Go
Speaker 3: get him and knock him in. Ahead with it. If
Speaker 3: he starts doing stupid stuff or trying to put thoughts
Speaker 3: in my head.
Speaker 1: Yes, thoughts right.
Speaker 3: I didn't want anything in my head that wasn't there
Speaker 3: so apparently he hypnotized me. I didn't realize it. A
Speaker 3: pretty good long session, and he put a post hypnotic
Speaker 3: suggestion to my head that I wouldn't remember this till
Speaker 3: it was time to remember it, and then I would
Speaker 3: remember the facts as I could handle them. And he
Speaker 3: told everybody else not to tell me. This is all
Speaker 3: on that tape that I got that Philip man Mantel
Speaker 3: had got, and he got the actual tape from David Jacobs,
Speaker 3: who had took over some of Bud Hopkins' work. So
Speaker 3: I went in was writing a book, and I told
Speaker 3: my wife when Phillips sent the transcripts to me where
Speaker 3: he had put them in the book, I just kind
Speaker 3: of started briefing over them. I said, hell, I said,
Speaker 3: I've been hypnotized, and I didn't know it. I went
Speaker 3: out and told my wife. She was on the back porch.
Speaker 3: I said, I didn't realize it, but I really was hypnotized.
Speaker 3: I said, I always thought that was a bunch of bull,
Speaker 3: but it's not so till today, I hadn't read all
Speaker 3: the or listened to it. I have a copy of
Speaker 3: the sade of the original tape, but I hadn't listened
Speaker 3: to it because I want to remember what came out
Speaker 3: as I remember it. And one of the things I
Speaker 3: remembered I had an interview by Linda Moltenhaund and she
Speaker 3: is in depth report and she brought all this was
Speaker 3: bringing some of this stuff out, and I wanted to say, Linda,
Speaker 3: shut up, I don't want to hear it, but you know,
Speaker 3: she got it started coming out and it got triggered
Speaker 3: my memory. And I still hadn't looked at what was on,
Speaker 3: but I do start. I have remembered a lot of
Speaker 3: what was on there myself, and I don't know how
Speaker 3: much because I hadn't read over the tapes.
Speaker 1: I haven't read them either. So is this more detail
Speaker 1: about what happened during the you know, what you would
Speaker 1: say was about forty five minute experience. Is there some
Speaker 1: more details that come out? Because you have the transcript
Speaker 1: in the book as well, right, people can read.
Speaker 3: Exactly right, I can read it, and yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: lot of detail on that. Then it's the fishing trip
Speaker 3: to cad Island where I had to missing time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that experience is in there as well.
Speaker 3: That was a little experience and there was a little
Speaker 3: bit in there. But I told my wife, I'll be
Speaker 3: back before dark, because after seventy three I didn't get
Speaker 3: on that water at night anymore. So I said, I'll
Speaker 3: be back before dark. She fixed me at lunch, and
Speaker 3: that first thing I remember. I was waiting on the
Speaker 3: tide to change this about eleven o'clock and I opened
Speaker 3: my lunch ate it, and when I come back to
Speaker 3: the lunch was still there on the chair.
Speaker 2: This three in the morning. So there was a.
Speaker 3: Lot of time missing, But yeah, it captures some of
Speaker 3: the experience inside that time. I had no idea that
Speaker 3: I had been revisited then I had.
Speaker 1: Wow, was Charlie's experience pretty much similar to yours? Or
Speaker 1: was he experienced something totally different when he was on
Speaker 1: the ship.
Speaker 3: I have no idea or to be honest with you,
Speaker 3: I never talked to Charlie about it when we got
Speaker 3: back when dot But when John Howie and Bud Hoppins
Speaker 3: got three with us, I got my car and left.
Speaker 3: I thought Charlie broke the story to the news media,
Speaker 3: and that made me mad. I didn't want to talk
Speaker 3: to him no more nobody else. I mean, we had
Speaker 3: a little bit of contact together, but nothing where we
Speaker 3: sat down and talked about what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was following the story and think I
Speaker 1: said about twenty or so, you know, just finding anything
Speaker 1: that I could, I looked it up and got, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, real deep into the story. For
Speaker 1: some reason, I didn't know that it was two people.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I maybe just read your account or whatever,
Speaker 1: or either yours or Charlie's or whatever that was available
Speaker 1: at the time. And then in twenty eleven, Charlie passed.
Speaker 1: Correct my wife found it in the clipping in the
Speaker 1: paper and cut it out for him and said, here's
Speaker 1: that passagula incident. The guy passed away. So I was
Speaker 1: under the impression that it was only one person for
Speaker 1: some reason I don't know. And then recently I seen
Speaker 1: on the news that they were interviewing you, and I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, this was two people. So it just
Speaker 1: brought it back to the light. So one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why the kind of the story carries so much
Speaker 1: weight is because of the tape that came out at
Speaker 1: the Sheriff's department. Was the fact that you guys weren't
Speaker 1: trying to whisper and trying to get your stories together
Speaker 1: like most people will or have like holes in your stories.
Speaker 1: There was like a cooperation there where you guys wasn't
Speaker 1: trying to make it up an quite frankly, you didn't
Speaker 1: want to even you know what I'm saying, be there right.
Speaker 2: No, huh.
Speaker 3: I read the transcripts in the sheriff department one or
Speaker 3: two times, and you know, I seemed like I made
Speaker 3: a comment. Charlie had secured me to death. I felt
Speaker 3: like I stepped on a rattlesnake and it did. I mean,
Speaker 3: I was an eighteen year old boy. I wasn't even
Speaker 3: out to the real world then, and I didn't want
Speaker 3: nobody to know because I had a future in front
Speaker 3: of me, I thought, and it completely changed my whole.
Speaker 2: Life from that.
Speaker 3: Very many dawns, I would go on a job and
Speaker 3: you'd have the media look you up where they'd tell
Speaker 3: you to get them off the job I was in
Speaker 3: the oil field or they was fixing.
Speaker 2: The follow you.
Speaker 3: Well, the media, once they get on you, they like
Speaker 3: a pit bulldog. They don't back off. And my deal
Speaker 3: with them, they would change the story to make it
Speaker 3: look like more than it was. But how could you
Speaker 3: change something and get it any more than what?
Speaker 1: That is?
Speaker 3: That on a fishing trip, get adducted, get a physical,
Speaker 3: get all kinds of stuff, and why change all that?
Speaker 3: And the reason I didn't talk to Charlie anymore. Like
Speaker 3: I say, I thought he was the one that broke
Speaker 3: the story. But then later I regretted that. I wish
Speaker 3: I had it because there's questions I wanted to ask him.
Speaker 2: But he took the upper road.
Speaker 3: He went with the media, He did all the conferences,
Speaker 3: he wrote a book, and.
Speaker 1: He got all the money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got everything. He come to me and said,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna write a book, and if you don't sign
Speaker 3: off on it, I'm gonna write it anyway, said I
Speaker 3: don't care, Charlie. He said, sign it and I give
Speaker 3: you three or four percent or some little small percent.
Speaker 3: I just signed it to get rid of him. But
Speaker 3: I never seen a penny out of him, never didn
Speaker 3: want one.
Speaker 1: Is how that works.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But come to find out later the way the
Speaker 3: story broke back in the seventies, everybody liked to be
Speaker 3: nosy and getting everybody's business. So they carried these scanners around.
Speaker 3: Were they're listening in at the fire department, the police department.
Speaker 3: Well I didn't wasn't thinking, but the Mississippi Press had
Speaker 3: an office by the shelf department and they had a
Speaker 3: scanner toned on. They was listening in. Well, they was
Speaker 3: all all on top of it. Before you knew it,
Speaker 3: it hit the news everywhere, and the next thing I knew,
Speaker 3: Rolling Stones magazine tried to get a hold of me
Speaker 3: over there. They said, well, we got some pretty important
Speaker 3: questions to ask you. Oh, why didn't you call somebody?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 3: I said, well, they want no cell phones in didn't
Speaker 3: want to. They said, well, why wasn't you on camera?
Speaker 3: I said, ediot, that was nineteen seventy three. They didn't
Speaker 3: have cameras back in like you do now. I said,
Speaker 3: so what else do you want to ask? Well, why
Speaker 3: didn't the bridge tender see you? I said, well, that's
Speaker 3: a good question, I asked the sheriff department. They went
Speaker 3: up and checked that out. Well, going inside where the
Speaker 3: bridge tender said he had a recliner and his wall
Speaker 3: was to the back of the recliner and he was
Speaker 3: sitting in our sleep and they would call him on
Speaker 3: the radio when he needed to do something with a bridge.
Speaker 3: So and he admitted it. You know, he didn't have
Speaker 3: nothing to hide. The man was there for a payday
Speaker 3: and he wasn't out looking for nothing else.
Speaker 1: One of the other factors that comes into the fact
Speaker 1: that this story carries a little bit of weight is
Speaker 1: because you guys passed the polygraph test as well. When
Speaker 1: did that come in? Was that at the Sheriff's office
Speaker 1: that same night?
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't at the sheriff's office. It was just
Speaker 3: shortly after it. As a matter of fact, I Charlie
Speaker 3: took one separate. I took one, and we took one
Speaker 3: in Chicago, a voice dress test. I did one talk
Speaker 3: show with him and they had a polygraph and a
Speaker 3: voice stress test in there. Now, the voice stress test
Speaker 3: we didn't know about. But they put a microphone in
Speaker 3: there with us, and somehow they radied off your voice.
Speaker 2: I don't know much about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they said it's ex accurate, a more accurate a polygraph.
Speaker 1: Now on the job, whenever, you know, the press came
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, on the job and
Speaker 1: was causing problems for them. Did you get let go?
Speaker 1: Did you get fired or was it just for that
Speaker 1: day they sent you home for the day or did
Speaker 1: they just terminate.
Speaker 2: You now back in they fired you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if they would go in and leave it was okay,
Speaker 3: but they didn't leave and kept harassing. And these people
Speaker 3: kept harassing, you know, they just say, well, we don't
Speaker 3: need you no more going home because they'd call the
Speaker 3: main office and everything come out to the rig who
Speaker 3: it was and the off fell was different back in.
Speaker 3: I mean they had some real hard nose people working there.
Speaker 3: There was good people, but something like that, they were
Speaker 3: take and run with it. Yeah, and you'd never hear
Speaker 3: the mbie. I mean, you don't know the times that
Speaker 3: I heard sput nick.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's a lot of stuff out there where
Speaker 1: somebody has a type of encounter like that, whether it's
Speaker 1: an abduction or supernatural experience. And you talked about hearing,
Speaker 1: you know, telepathy or whatever with the being that was
Speaker 1: communicating with you, just sending those thoughts to you that
Speaker 1: everything was okay. Did you ever experience that, you know,
Speaker 1: feeling that something was trying to communicate to you or
Speaker 1: with you. A lot of people talk about it sounds
Speaker 1: like angelic voices or the voice of God even or
Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit as we you know, relate this stuff
Speaker 1: back to the religious text and stuff. It talks about
Speaker 1: the telepathic communication. Have you ever had any of those
Speaker 1: weird deja vu moments where you're just, you know, cleaning
Speaker 1: house or something and there's something letting you know what's
Speaker 1: going on or something like that.
Speaker 3: Well, I have had experiences like but I try not to.
Speaker 3: You know, it's pure scary something getting into your head.
Speaker 3: So I tried just to pass it off and not
Speaker 3: pay attention and shut it out. And that's how I've
Speaker 3: done all this time nowadays and times I would welcome it.
Speaker 3: But as far as my faith faith, you know, I
Speaker 3: believe in God and I always will. It's one God,
Speaker 3: one Jesus Christ, and that's just the way that it is.
Speaker 3: But I know it's life on other planets. There's no
Speaker 3: doubt in my mind about that. Look at all the stars,
Speaker 3: and everyone of them stars has a planet around it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I think they travel a little different now than what
Speaker 3: they did. I think they kind of, I don't know
Speaker 3: how to say it, instead of coming in a spacecraft.
Speaker 3: I think it's another dimension right here around us, and
Speaker 3: they could travel through like a black hole and come
Speaker 3: into our dimension when they want to do right.
Speaker 2: And I really believe that now.
Speaker 1: So that's what you believe that it was. You believe
Speaker 1: that these were beings from other planets that showed up here.
Speaker 3: I do it was beings from another planet, or at
Speaker 3: one time, I might have called them demons, Yeah, something
Speaker 3: from Hell that might have showed up here. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: I physically got the physical confutation in ninety three were
Speaker 3: one and you know, you eventually get tired of being
Speaker 3: played with. And I think they was trying. She was
Speaker 3: trying to put that mplant my nose, and when it did,
Speaker 3: I was tired and not having the evidence and the
Speaker 3: proof that I needed to prove it. So I was
Speaker 3: actually gonna grab her around the neck and take her
Speaker 3: with me, and it turned into a physical situation where
Speaker 3: me and her both got blooded up in bloody.
Speaker 1: Now, this was this was from the missing time. You
Speaker 1: think it was the same being You think it was
Speaker 1: the same beings?
Speaker 3: Was because when I was in there, that's like Landa
Speaker 3: Howe said, he said, you said she's gonna kill me.
Speaker 3: I know her, I know her, and I must have
Speaker 3: known her from seventy three. Now, I didn't remember nothing
Speaker 3: about this, but I feel like they've probably been watching
Speaker 3: a long time, and I don't know why they chose me.
Speaker 3: Somebody asked why you, Well, I have no idea. Maybe
Speaker 3: I was just handy.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Did you ever watch the Travis Walton movie Fire in
Speaker 1: the Sky. Did you ever watch that when it came out?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I figured that would trigger you, send you right back
Speaker 1: into heaven.
Speaker 2: Well again, I tried not to get nothing in my head.
Speaker 2: It wasn't there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Now Travis is coming out.
Speaker 3: I read on Facebook the other day was something else
Speaker 3: how that was a their death experience or they?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well were talking about, you know, selling the story.
Speaker 1: We was talking about that before we went live, and
Speaker 1: he sold the story and they turned it into a
Speaker 1: horror movie. There's other people James Gillilan from he Saidie Ranch,
Speaker 1: and he's talked about how there was all these people
Speaker 1: who approached them to buy their story, but they know
Speaker 1: they're going to turn it into somewhat of a horror movie.
Speaker 1: And for them it you know, it wasn't something that
Speaker 1: they thought was demonic or evil or whatever the case is.
Speaker 1: And Travis has kind of taken that approach now that
Speaker 1: you know that. Whenever he got out of the truck
Speaker 1: and he went up there to see this orb, he
Speaker 1: tried to touch it. It lit up and shocked him
Speaker 1: and if they just was to leave him there, he
Speaker 1: probably would have died. If they had to pick him up,
Speaker 1: put him on the table and almost do surgery on
Speaker 1: him so that he would live. And so his whole
Speaker 1: relationship with that story has changed over the years. Do
Speaker 1: you feel like that at anyway is there I know,
Speaker 1: because you know what I'm saying, most of this is
Speaker 1: something traumatic, evil, demonic, these type of words that are
Speaker 1: being used. Do you think that have malicious intent? That
Speaker 1: they were trying to hurt you? I mean, if they
Speaker 1: wanted to kill.
Speaker 3: You, I'd be dead if they want you to kill me. Oh,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like I said one time before. If
Speaker 3: you look at the different races of the human beings
Speaker 3: and all, you're gonna find good people, you're gonna find
Speaker 3: bad people, and you're gonna find really bad people. And
Speaker 3: some of it just tries to get by. And I
Speaker 3: feel like that this is the way they are. You
Speaker 3: can make out of it really what you want to.
Speaker 3: It could be good or it could be bad. I
Speaker 3: think basically they might have been here maybe to try
Speaker 3: to help us to start with, and they look because
Speaker 3: I keep getting in mind that this earth is destroying
Speaker 3: itself and they probably don't need that. We don't need it,
Speaker 3: and they don't need it, and they would help us
Speaker 3: if we'd let them.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's a thought that's being communicated telepathically
Speaker 1: that I think? So, Yeah, you need to have compassion
Speaker 1: for this planet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for this planet right here. And since I've started
Speaker 3: doing this book, I noticed another thing. I never had
Speaker 3: pets and never really been around the animals or nothing
Speaker 3: that much. But my son died in two thousand and twelve,
Speaker 3: I think June or something, and the same day he died,
Speaker 3: there's a little stray dog come up. And that dog's
Speaker 3: not a spending image. I think it might. It could
Speaker 3: be a lot that I wanted to be. But that
Speaker 3: dog come up, comes to the back porch wanting some day.
Speaker 3: And on my son's birthday he had puppies, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's just a coincident in there. And he is so loving.
Speaker 3: He's such a good little old dog. And matter of fact,
Speaker 3: this morning, I had to go down seven at three
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning to get and shut But I
Speaker 3: feel like he was sent to me for a reason.
Speaker 3: Getting making long story short, and I'm real protective of
Speaker 3: the little dog and animals now we're used to I wasn't, but.
Speaker 1: There's like an empathy that was kind of released through
Speaker 1: that experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the average person, the average kid, now you know, ah,
Speaker 3: they couldn't go out and grow a garden, make it
Speaker 3: on their own or anything else. And you could throw
Speaker 3: me outside with a pocket knife and we gonna eat
Speaker 3: something and have something. But I think the world just
Speaker 3: needs to take care of itself. I think people need
Speaker 3: to be a little better toward each other. You got
Speaker 3: all this cutthroat and going on. You got all this
Speaker 3: politics going on, and everybody down and all the rich
Speaker 3: people want to be a politician or have one in
Speaker 3: their pocket. They need to turn loose of everything, just
Speaker 3: be theirself and be good neighbors.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It comes back to the simplicities of it, right,
Speaker 1: And these type of experiences, and you know, near death
Speaker 1: experiences bring about a similar manifestation the fact that look,
Speaker 1: we you know, life is short, life is precious. We
Speaker 1: need to take care of each other, take care of
Speaker 1: the planet, and things like that. So that's something that
Speaker 1: the majority of people you know, talk about after having
Speaker 1: these encounters. And the reason I'm asking you about the
Speaker 1: whole evil alien thing. You know that there's you know quotes.
Speaker 1: There is the fact that a lot of people now
Speaker 1: like the whole abduction thing that was you know, sixties, seventies, eighties,
Speaker 1: maybe early nineties, You don't hear that term anymore. You
Speaker 1: hear contactee and experiencer. Most people want something like this
Speaker 1: to happen. They welcome it, maybe not to the extent
Speaker 1: of something scary where they're fearing for their life. And
Speaker 1: I mean, if anything comes into our realm that looks different,
Speaker 1: we're going to be scared, right, those type of things.
Speaker 1: But what do you think's going on with that? As
Speaker 1: far as the whole abduction thing kind of being phased
Speaker 1: out and people are welcoming contact and experiences.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it started. It's kind of like Philip said,
Speaker 3: you know, Calvin, you're the last of the breed, and
Speaker 3: that means, you know, it was pretty well the.
Speaker 1: Last ones phasing out, phasing out.
Speaker 3: You know, everybody else is pretty much dying off that
Speaker 3: has to deal with these adductions and all.
Speaker 2: Ah. I believe that they're trying to make a change
Speaker 2: in people. I really do.
Speaker 3: You don't never know when their world might need to
Speaker 3: come and exist with all world. I mean it might
Speaker 3: as well we got every other every other race in
Speaker 3: the world down, yeh, might as well have them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I think they are. I really believe from the
Speaker 3: bottom of my heart they are aliens, walking aliens that
Speaker 3: live among us. Now that sounds crazy, but in seventy
Speaker 3: three it sounds to crazy to get adducted to Yeah.
Speaker 1: As far as the you know, telepathy and repeat experiences
Speaker 1: you had to experience in ninety three, you know, talk
Speaker 1: about you kind of feel them trying to contact you
Speaker 1: where place thoughts in your head, ideas and things like that.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that if you wanted to that you
Speaker 1: can contact them or have you ever went out under
Speaker 1: the stars and said, hey, who are you shaking your fist?
Speaker 1: Or is there like this contact?
Speaker 3: Like I've never really wanted to contact them, but I
Speaker 3: really feel like if we got off and tried, it's possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if I could do it or not.
Speaker 3: Now many a night's me and my wife fish a
Speaker 3: lot at night when it's you know, a little warmer now,
Speaker 3: and we'll go out and set and I look up
Speaker 3: at the sky and say how beautiful it is. And
Speaker 3: of course you're gonna see stuff floating around that you don't.
Speaker 3: For one instant, we was fishing at a power plant.
Speaker 3: We were sitting there talking and I heard a little
Speaker 3: noise and we looked and there was a blimp above us.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that it was that close. And that
Speaker 3: was scary. You know, looked at the bottom of a
Speaker 3: good year of laying and they were setting there looking you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you don't never know what can happen, and something
Speaker 3: don't have to happen because the human race is destroying
Speaker 3: this earth. Yeah, we I mean we in for hal
Speaker 3: if we don't.
Speaker 1: Man, there's a lot of videos and stories about them,
Speaker 1: these ships showing up around you know, nuclear plants and
Speaker 1: where they were testing different missiles and stuff, and they
Speaker 1: would disarm the missile. There's a there's video footage and
Speaker 1: people can look this up. It's it's pretty cool. But
Speaker 1: the several years back, there was an asteroid had it
Speaker 1: I believe it was in Germany, I believe. But the
Speaker 1: asteroid was coming and it was about to make land
Speaker 1: impact and then at the last minute a ship appeared,
Speaker 1: shot a beam at it and exploded to where it
Speaker 1: was just all these little bitty pieces of debris I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember that, but it's like some
Speaker 1: by or something, God, Jesus, the angels whatever, they're watching
Speaker 1: over us, and they are trying to protect us. Hopefully
Speaker 1: we don't take ourselves out those type of things.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I know God's watching me. And I often
Speaker 3: thought and Linda Howe brought up an idea why possibly
Speaker 3: could have been Daddy worked for the Atomic Energy Commission
Speaker 3: in Las Vegas, out in Area fifty one back in
Speaker 3: the sixties and they was exploding these nuclear bombs underground
Speaker 3: because that was when the Cold War was going on,
Speaker 3: so they was doing ever can they can to build
Speaker 3: these weapons that would just wipe other countries off the planet.
Speaker 3: And you know, it could have been something from that
Speaker 3: that might have triggered them to start getting the hold
Speaker 3: of me.
Speaker 1: It could have been a lot of this stuff is
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying generational. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: people who have You know, your parents had a fear
Speaker 1: or phobia of this stuff because they've had dreams and
Speaker 1: nightmares and things that's happened, you know, loss of time
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Has your your your children ever
Speaker 1: experienced anything. Do you think it's passed down nobody's ever
Speaker 1: said anything that I know.
Speaker 3: Of my daughter. She's attacked it as she would. I
Speaker 3: don't believe she would tell anybody. Yeah, as far as
Speaker 3: I know she had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, another question I got for you about just the
Speaker 1: area itself, right here, past the Gooula, Mississippi, just the
Speaker 1: Gulf coast right here. Really is there something special about it?
Speaker 1: Because this story means a little bit more to me too,
Speaker 1: because when I got into ufology and spirituality or whatever,
Speaker 1: I tried to go out and make contact. I would
Speaker 1: read the Bible, read that the angels were traveling back
Speaker 1: and forth from Heaven to Earth. And I have a
Speaker 1: prayer life, and I'm asking God to let me see one.
Speaker 1: If the Bible's true, if they travel back and forth,
Speaker 1: can I see one? And I started seeing. I started
Speaker 1: seeing lights that would fly by and stop on a
Speaker 1: dime and blink and say hello, and in fly another direction.
Speaker 1: Really interesting stuff. And so I worked livering car parts
Speaker 1: and I got out really early to jumping in my
Speaker 1: truck from Sarah Lamobile, Alabama, and I would head out
Speaker 1: on my route and I would come across the past
Speaker 1: of Goula Bridge here and I would stop at the
Speaker 1: rest area right, I mean, we're just a couple miles
Speaker 1: if that from it. I would stop at the rest area.
Speaker 1: I would try to get there as early as I could.
Speaker 1: In many mornings, i'd get that four in the morning,
Speaker 1: and I get out and I walk in the woods
Speaker 1: and I positioned my truck in a way that it
Speaker 1: would block out any light that was coming in and
Speaker 1: try to communicate telepathically, and I would see stuff here.
Speaker 1: I would see stuff, and it's really close to where
Speaker 1: this whole thing happened with you. I would see things
Speaker 1: that look like blimps, but you can see through them.
Speaker 1: They were transparent things. I'd see things flying that looked
Speaker 1: like stingrays flying in the air, but you could see
Speaker 1: through them. And it was just really weird aerial phenomena
Speaker 1: that let me know that something's up. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you exactly what those things were or what, but something's
Speaker 1: going on, and it just lights something.
Speaker 2: That you asked that question. Past.
Speaker 3: Pagoula is a special place to me since that I've
Speaker 3: always come back here. I always ended up back here.
Speaker 3: Something's pulling me in this direction, and I think there's
Speaker 3: something major and I don't know what it is, but
Speaker 3: I just feel the need to be here in past
Speaker 3: Pagoula and to be with the people that you know
Speaker 3: I'm around.
Speaker 2: I love the people.
Speaker 3: Here in Jackson County and Past Pagoola on the Mississippi
Speaker 3: Gulf coast, and I want to do everything I can
Speaker 3: for But I think it's kind of like in Close
Speaker 3: Encounters of the third kind. I think it's something fixing
Speaker 3: the bust wide open real soon around here.
Speaker 2: Now what it is, I don't know if it is anything.
Speaker 3: Unlike a lot of people, they're predict something BIG's gonna happen,
Speaker 3: and it don't never happen.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not predicting nothing. I'm just saying, let me just.
Speaker 1: Turn on your TV. You could see that it's already
Speaker 1: here almost you know. As far as everything going.
Speaker 2: On, I'm special.
Speaker 3: It's gonna happen round here, and I believe there's a
Speaker 3: reason for trying to put this tiny town on the
Speaker 3: map again. And we've had deal's a lot of good
Speaker 3: deals offered people wanting to write screenplays and stuff, and
Speaker 3: we hadn't accepted anything real good right now. But when
Speaker 3: they send that screenplay, if it's not the truth and
Speaker 3: not going down, and if it's not helping Jackson County
Speaker 3: and Pastordula.
Speaker 2: I won't have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what you're talking about the screenplay, but also
Speaker 1: the book, like you mentioned, is the fact that with
Speaker 1: you agreeing to do this book and you didn't want
Speaker 1: nobody messing with your story. Hey, let's spice it up
Speaker 1: a little bit. Say they did this to you, say
Speaker 1: they did that, and you wanted to have total control
Speaker 1: over it. And so you working with a Philip, he
Speaker 1: agreed to do that, like you said, not being someone
Speaker 1: who you know has you know, this great education, but
Speaker 1: it's legit because it's your story and it hasn't been
Speaker 1: tampered with.
Speaker 3: And I had to give Philip crowded. I know he
Speaker 3: wanted to go ahead and do a little editing, but
Speaker 3: he didn't do it because he gave his word.
Speaker 2: He's took a lot of criticism, or not a lot,
Speaker 2: but some criticism.
Speaker 1: It's there. Yeah, and you.
Speaker 3: Know I'll go back and tell him. Look, I don't
Speaker 3: care what you say about him. He's a good man.
Speaker 3: He didn't edit the book because I didn't want it
Speaker 3: that it didn't He agreed not to do that. So
Speaker 3: that's me and Philip, and you don't know how much
Speaker 3: I appreciate him for what he's done. Philip has been
Speaker 3: a real inspiration for me. He's brought me more or
Speaker 3: less say out the closet. He's got me talking about this.
Speaker 3: But I think it's time to talk about all this.
Speaker 3: And you'll be surprised at the people that get in
Speaker 3: touch with me. That's got questions every day on Facebook
Speaker 3: or some kind of social media. Well, I got an
Speaker 3: experience I want to talk to you about. Well, I
Speaker 3: take time and I talked to him. You know what
Speaker 3: else have I got the time?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean when you was going through that wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been great if you say, hey, there's a guy
Speaker 1: who had an exact encounter or something very similar. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call this guy. But there was you know, we're
Speaker 1: down here in the Bible Belt. There's nobody there's down here,
Speaker 1: and if we went to California or Denver, Colorado, they're everywhere. Right,
Speaker 1: it's accepted.
Speaker 3: There's one person that I talked to that did help
Speaker 3: me back when this happened was Betty Hill. Okay, I
Speaker 3: went and spent three or four days with Betty Hill,
Speaker 3: and in the back of my mind, why would I
Speaker 3: listen to Betty Hill. When I was going down there
Speaker 3: on the plane ride, I said, you know what, she
Speaker 3: did something that nobody would do. She was married to
Speaker 3: a black man, and you didn't do that back then.
Speaker 3: And she can get out and tell her story and
Speaker 3: take the ridicule that come on for being in a
Speaker 3: mixed marriage. She's telling the truth. And after I met
Speaker 3: the lady, she was so sweet, and she took me
Speaker 3: up in the mountains where they had their experience and
Speaker 3: tried to show me things we never seen nothing. But
Speaker 3: you know, she was sincere and genuine at heart, and
Speaker 3: I believe her from the bottom of my heart. I
Speaker 3: also send the star map she had, and I don't
Speaker 3: know if anything ever came out of it or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what about your ridicule, Like I said, coming
Speaker 1: out with this stuff in I keep saying the Bible
Speaker 1: about it. I faced, you know, some some ridicule as well.
Speaker 1: But this is in the seventies as well, you know,
Speaker 1: So what about you? Where there naysayers, where their people, Hey,
Speaker 1: stay away from this guy's he's illoney making it up.
Speaker 1: And I know you didn't want the fame, you know,
Speaker 1: you didn't even want to talk about it. So what
Speaker 1: was some of the stuff that just came with it.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, people pretty well left me alone because
Speaker 3: I didn't want to talk. I didn't hit the publicity
Speaker 3: and ever now and then you find somebody, what was
Speaker 3: you drinking?
Speaker 2: What was you smoking? I want what you have?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't whatt you. But pretty much basically people
Speaker 3: left me alone. And the reason for that I think
Speaker 3: I just kept quiet and kept too muchself family, and
Speaker 3: I believe it was something in the future that was
Speaker 3: coming out, and I was kind of protected from all this.
Speaker 3: So you know, I've been lucky through.
Speaker 1: That's good because you have a lot of people who,
Speaker 1: you know, they grow bitter from that stuff. They have
Speaker 1: a beautiful encounter or even the scary encounter, it's their story, right,
Speaker 1: but because of all the ridicule and the mockery and
Speaker 1: the this info, they grow bitter with their age. And
Speaker 1: that's definitely how it happened, you know, to you. So
Speaker 1: that's that's a that's a plus, right.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And since the books came out, I've had
Speaker 3: books signings one right here in past Pagola, there's two
Speaker 3: right here, and got to meet some people and that
Speaker 3: was said that you know, my mom and Daddy's saying this,
Speaker 3: and they told me about it that I was twelve
Speaker 3: years old and I seen it and we know what
Speaker 3: happened and we believe you. And that makes you feel
Speaker 3: good to get to know these people. And there wasn't
Speaker 3: nothing bad. Nobody from one of these book signings ever
Speaker 3: said anything bad. Yeah, I mean they spend good money
Speaker 3: come here and bought a book and to get the
Speaker 3: autograph just to meet made that makes me feel good inside,
Speaker 3: makes me feel like I'm honored.
Speaker 1: So are you having a decent turnout from that? Especially
Speaker 1: being again here? You know, here in the South of
Speaker 1: the Guys is a growing number of people who were
Speaker 1: asking you know what I'm saying, these bigger questions and things.
Speaker 1: Who show up for these.
Speaker 2: Hundreds of people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we usually will come in and they'll organize
Speaker 3: the book signing. We'll come in, just sit down and
Speaker 3: sign a few books, do a few autographs. Somebody said, well,
Speaker 3: you're in it for the money. I said, I don't
Speaker 3: make nothing off of it. To the book signings and
Speaker 3: things like that. I'm gonna date donate my time to
Speaker 3: be sure the pastor Goula gets the people in here
Speaker 3: that it needs. Is there something big going on, and
Speaker 3: I need to feel like they would now make a
Speaker 3: few dollars, you know, selling the books. Yeah, that comes
Speaker 3: from Amazon. Yeah, but you know I don't like my
Speaker 3: own time to come up because I enjoyed. I want
Speaker 3: to be with these people. I love these people. They're
Speaker 3: my neighbors, they my friends. And a person has very
Speaker 3: few true friends in his life and you better tack
Speaker 3: advantage other.
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that, Yes, sir John. Do we
Speaker 1: have any questions from the internet? What do we have here?
Speaker 1: Just want me to scroll and read some of these
Speaker 1: any of them, any of them stand out for you,
Speaker 1: Chris Garner, Let's see if we can check out some
Speaker 1: of these comments here. Chris Garner says, has has your
Speaker 1: perception of the encounter become more positive over time? Similar
Speaker 1: to Travis Walton telling the more positive message a year later?
Speaker 3: Years later, Well, I can't really say it's positive for
Speaker 3: none positive, Jerry.
Speaker 1: Well, like I said as well, like it's it's birth
Speaker 1: something in you that you're more compassionate. You could have
Speaker 1: died right these type of things, and it makes you
Speaker 1: not take life for granted.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, you take every day as you
Speaker 3: live it. You be the best you can. And I'm
Speaker 3: a firm blavor in karma. You can bring the karma
Speaker 3: on yourself, either good or bad, and I don't want
Speaker 3: no bad karma.
Speaker 2: I have enough problems in my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, trying to undo some of that stuff. You know, John,
Speaker 1: what about you, man? Do you have any questions? I
Speaker 1: know you're big into uthology and and you're well studied
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: I guess my than ketchup will be experiences back when
Speaker 2: I was younger, back in Puerto Rico, where I've seen
Speaker 2: an actual bean, but my bean was different. Right, bean?
Speaker 2: Was you look humanoid?
Speaker 1: You had legs, arms, and you know, torso in the head,
Speaker 1: but no actual features, no eyeballs, nor mouth, nothing for those.
Speaker 2: But you will typically saw gloing man gloo and green
Speaker 2: you know are in de bulk.
Speaker 3: I always say, on the robotic creatures that come after me,
Speaker 3: I didn't Charlie sing facial features and all on them,
Speaker 3: but I didn't see.
Speaker 2: Nothing on them.
Speaker 3: But if you get down, just take our society. You
Speaker 3: got all these different races, all these different people. Nobody
Speaker 3: really looks the same or acts the same, and it's
Speaker 3: different races, and I feel like it's the same way
Speaker 3: with them. If they're here and they are from another planet,
Speaker 3: God had to invent them, and he might have invented
Speaker 3: them all in different images. Or maybe it's some angels
Speaker 3: that broke loose, and it's just really hard to say,
Speaker 3: but I think time is new to tell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the uh, you know, if you read
Speaker 1: the scriptures, you see where people had these encounters with angels,
Speaker 1: they fell to their knees in fear. Right, there's just
Speaker 1: you know, these these these type of scary looking creatures
Speaker 1: or whatever the case is. You know, beasts did even
Speaker 1: call them, you.
Speaker 3: Know, exactly right, So you know, every right is different.
Speaker 3: Every person's different. I don't know if too many people
Speaker 3: that look the same, oh, you know on the Earth,
Speaker 3: but it is a few.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these these creatures you uh, you guys outlining in
Speaker 1: in here, the uh, they look different, they don't. You
Speaker 1: don't really see I mean you see this little guy
Speaker 1: here for those listening on the podcast, then it's just
Speaker 1: a little alien gray type being. And you see these
Speaker 1: guys a lot or whatever. So when it comes to
Speaker 1: these different humanoid type of beings that looked different, like
Speaker 1: there was like points on their heads and they just
Speaker 1: looked you know what I'm saying really different.
Speaker 3: So well, look at the different braids of dogs that
Speaker 3: you have, different braids of cattle that you have.
Speaker 2: All them's different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like, and like I say, you
Speaker 3: have good in everybody, you have bad in everybody. Now
Speaker 3: I want to consider myself good. Messed with my family
Speaker 3: or my friends. I can be bad and have been
Speaker 3: and I'm not the agents person in the world live
Speaker 3: with or I got the biggest heart in the world.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd get somebody's shirt off my back and
Speaker 3: they So that's just life though.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's one thing that really came across to me
Speaker 1: is the fact that, like I said, I mentioned James
Speaker 1: Gilli and a lot of his stuff, you know, helped
Speaker 1: me early on when I was having my encounters. But
Speaker 1: he talked about just like you have racism, you know,
Speaker 1: and it offends them if you have a type of
Speaker 1: entity that looks different or kind of scary, not to
Speaker 1: you know, be shocked or not to be afraid, and
Speaker 1: you know, because it is like there's like a prejudice
Speaker 1: or whatever, or you know, how does it make that entity,
Speaker 1: that angel, that that alien you know from another planet
Speaker 1: field The fact that you you just think they look
Speaker 1: grotesque and it's so it's the same type of deal
Speaker 1: when we're dealing with humans as well.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, maybe you don't want to hug
Speaker 3: your neck, but you can't shot your hand. I know
Speaker 3: down here in the South, these books earning and stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, I'll tell most of these people, well, you know,
Speaker 3: we're from the soath.
Speaker 2: We hug.
Speaker 1: So if somebody wants to pick up a copy of
Speaker 1: the book, man, where's the best place to go to
Speaker 1: get one of those?
Speaker 2: Amazon?
Speaker 3: Pastor Goola The closest encounter my story, Calvin Parker.
Speaker 1: Calvin Parker, you gotta believe you can just go there,
Speaker 1: type your name and it'll come right up.
Speaker 2: Oh it comes up, yes, sir.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for doing this podcast with me. I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed it as a pleasure to finally meet you
Speaker 1: as well and your story here and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: many blessings moving forward with it and getting that message across.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I enjoyed it. I appreciate it,
Speaker 3: and thank you all for listening in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank everybody for hanging out with us. And uh,
Speaker 1: with that, will say piece and shalom and blessings everyone.
Speaker 1: Thank you. And God bless. If you're a fan of
Speaker 1: youufology and want to hear more interesting interviews with UFO
Speaker 1: experiencers and even how it relates to spirituality, check out
Speaker 1: my podcast, The Truth Seeker Podcast on any podcasting platform.
Speaker 1: There you'll find me. Huge shout out to Jonathan Santiago,
Speaker 1: who traveled a long way to make this happen. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for coming down, brother. Check out his
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