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Speaker 1: legalized dope gets you. What we just got on the
Speaker 1: sixteen Street mall. But you know what, there's so much
Speaker 1: more of it happening that you never hear about, you
Speaker 1: never see because they hide it, because the powers that
Speaker 1: be have no interest whatsoever and letting you know the
Speaker 1: true magnitude and depth and horror of the crime and
Speaker 1: other horribles that are happening in this state because of
Speaker 1: legalized marijuana. But you've got the face of that evil,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking the evil of legalized marijuana.
Speaker 2: You've got the face of that.
Speaker 1: Right in front of you, right now with this twenty
Speaker 1: four year old Elijah Caudle cau d Ill. And we've
Speaker 1: got the face of it in front of us right
Speaker 1: now with this American Airlines flight attendant. So Linda Levno's
Speaker 1: just she's on a layover, so she decides to shop
Speaker 1: on the sixteenth Street mall and gets her throat slit
Speaker 1: like she's in the middle of a war zone, because
Speaker 1: guess what it is.
Speaker 2: It is And all.
Speaker 1: These people stuffing their pockets with money, it's blood money,
Speaker 1: because they know.
Speaker 2: What they call marijuana.
Speaker 1: Even the old marijuana, even the old marijuana of the
Speaker 1: hippies in the seventies, even that stuff caused a lot
Speaker 1: of harm. But this is like Krakawana, this high potency
Speaker 1: stuff that they put out there because they want to
Speaker 1: hook them young, like they did with this kid, right,
Speaker 1: They want to hook them young, They want to hook
Speaker 1: them forever. And then you get all these people, and
Speaker 1: you get plenty of people who do this dope and Okay,
Speaker 1: it may mess up their life and the lives of
Speaker 1: people around them.
Speaker 2: They don't go out and commit crimes.
Speaker 1: But the point is that all of these harms come
Speaker 1: in a lot of different levels and a lot of
Speaker 1: different shapes and sizes, from all these kids who lose
Speaker 1: their ambition and they kind of had their future robbed,
Speaker 1: to the people who die on the highways, to all
Speaker 1: these other forms a harm. But then you do get
Speaker 1: these psychotic breaks.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at that monster.
Speaker 1: Look at that monster who shot up the Planned Parenthood
Speaker 1: clinic in Colorado Springs. He was attracted here by the
Speaker 1: legalized dope. You know, I think he still isn't He
Speaker 1: still considered insane from whatever breaks he had. And then
Speaker 1: you get you get this guy arrested.
Speaker 2: Think about it.
Speaker 1: He's twenty four and he's arrested for dealing dope in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen. And I'm not making any excuses
Speaker 1: for him listening, he should be in jail the rest
Speaker 1: of his life and beyond. But what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: is I bet if somebody does the deep dive and
Speaker 1: they look at his life before he got into dope,
Speaker 1: they're gonna see a different kid. And that doesn't mean,
Speaker 1: oh the devil made me do it, or blame the dope.
Speaker 1: He should get leniency, not at all. You cut the
Speaker 1: throat of a woman on the sixteenth Street, Mall you
Speaker 1: kill this other guy you stabbed four people trying to
Speaker 1: kill him, that then yeah, that you should be in
Speaker 1: jail the rest of your life and beyond. But we
Speaker 1: as a society, to protect ourselves, we need to demand more.
Speaker 1: We need to demand the truth because there's all sorts
Speaker 1: of crime out there happening that is fueled by drug use.
Speaker 1: It's fueled very often by marijuana. And you don't hear krakajana.
Speaker 1: You should call it with this potency, and you don't
Speaker 1: hear anything about it. Oh, they say, Oh, there's no causation.
Speaker 1: You can't prove causation. Oh, let's see. Okay, so we
Speaker 1: see this big surgeon crime statistics, steady surgeon crime stats
Speaker 1: since marijuana was legalized. Oh that's a big coincidence, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: big coincidence.
Speaker 2: So no, it is what you would expect it to be.
Speaker 2: It's what the.
Speaker 1: Old saying goes, Oh, that guy's acting like he's on drugs.
Speaker 1: That saying's been around since Fred Flintstone. Why do you
Speaker 1: think that's sayings around? Because drugs make people act differently,
Speaker 1: not each and every person. But is that the standard
Speaker 1: now in Colorado? That okay, Unless this legalized krakawana causes
Speaker 1: everybody to go out and slip people's throats or commit
Speaker 1: some other form of crime or get addicted, then that's fine.
Speaker 1: Let's make it legal. Now that's the big live we've
Speaker 1: been sold by the left. Right, so by the left,
Speaker 1: sold by the big money that came in here. Twice
Speaker 1: voters turned it down here and then it eventually get
Speaker 1: legalized because the left flooded the state with big money
Speaker 1: and the hick and Loopers of the world, and the
Speaker 1: polices and the other lefties, they just couldn't wait to
Speaker 1: legalize dope. Now hick and Loopers says he opposed it
Speaker 1: out of the corner of his mouth, you know, just
Speaker 1: typical two face garbage.
Speaker 2: But they love this stuff, right, because what does the
Speaker 2: left want?
Speaker 1: The left wants people dependent on government, and it also
Speaker 1: wants all the money from marijuana, right, But it wants
Speaker 1: people dependent on government. And Jerry Brown acknowledged it, the
Speaker 1: uber liberal governor at one time in California, that how
Speaker 1: many stoners can you have and still have a great state.
Speaker 1: But the point is the left wants people addicted. They
Speaker 1: want him dependent on government. The more drug users you have,
Speaker 1: the more people are going to be dependent on government.
Speaker 1: And this stuff infects all walks of life. Listen, I
Speaker 1: don't care what any individual adult does on their free time,
Speaker 1: but when it comes to like using marijuana, to me,
Speaker 1: in an individual adult using marijuana, that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: that's not a moral issue to me, and who cares
Speaker 1: if it was, it isn't. The point is in order
Speaker 1: to facilitate that the way the left has chosen to
Speaker 1: do it in Colorado. You know what you're getting. You're
Speaker 1: getting this kid who just slashed a woman's throat on
Speaker 1: the mall and stabbed three other people and killed one
Speaker 1: of those others. That's the price the left is willing
Speaker 1: to pay for the obvious. Elton John no prude?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Hey, Ryan, is Elton John a prude? No anybody ever
Speaker 2: called Elton John a prude? Right? Elton John says legalization
Speaker 2: of marijuana it may.
Speaker 1: Be the biggest mistake America's ever made, for all the
Speaker 1: obvious reasons.
Speaker 2: He got hooked on the stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but we're getting exactly what anybody paying attention
Speaker 1: knew we would get, but we're getting a whole lot
Speaker 1: more of it, and it is not worth it.
Speaker 2: So this is the reality. Now, the reality may we may.
Speaker 1: Be stuck with this right because marijuana is all the
Speaker 1: big money they got. Most of the politicians, and you know,
Speaker 1: so many of the big money folks who fund campaigns
Speaker 1: just think it's not winnable to overturn it. But let's
Speaker 1: be honest about what the left has brought us in Colorado.
Speaker 1: Want a couple on the right but let's be honest
Speaker 1: about what they brought us and what it's doing to us,
Speaker 1: and the fact that the truth is being hidden from us,
Speaker 1: about how much more crime? How many other harms are
Speaker 1: tied to this? Eight five to five for zero five
Speaker 1: eight two five five the number. So Elijah Caudle, Yeah,
Speaker 1: arrested for dealing marijuana in twenty nineteen. One of the
Speaker 1: stories I saw had a social media profile picture of
Speaker 1: him was a marijuana leaf.
Speaker 2: And I hope.
Speaker 1: Somebody does a deep dive on his life, because you
Speaker 1: know it. You know so many of these kids in
Speaker 1: your life. It doesn't mean they go out and slash throats,
Speaker 1: but you know so many kids in your life and
Speaker 1: adults you know, who were a whole different type of
Speaker 1: kid before they got into this Krakawana that Polis and
Speaker 1: Hickenlooper and the whole rest of the left loves right,
Speaker 1: a whole different type of kid. You know, we thank God, literally,
Speaker 1: we thank God often our kids have been spared that.
Speaker 1: But we know so many good kids, hard working kids.
Speaker 1: You know, great parents, great families who one way or
Speaker 1: the other, they got into it, and so many of them.
Speaker 1: Once you get into it, you can't get out. And
Speaker 1: it just changes who they are. And it's not limited
Speaker 1: to kids. But obviously this guy started young and has
Speaker 1: an arrest record, a long arrest record.
Speaker 2: But that's what this brings. And it's not a one off.
Speaker 1: We know of some of the high profile ones, right
Speaker 1: like that monster in the Springs who shot up the
Speaker 1: planned Parenthood clinic, But there are so many other crimes,
Speaker 1: so many other crimes where this is involved. Let's start
Speaker 1: with Eric in Castle Rock. You're on the dan kaplis
Speaker 1: so obviously a whole lot to talk about here. At
Speaker 1: what point will Colorado vote to overturn this madness? At
Speaker 1: what point does that happen? Is it impossible to get
Speaker 1: to that point? I don't think it's impossible to get
Speaker 1: to that point? Will you go down to the sixteenth
Speaker 1: Street mall?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: I call my wife on the way over to the show.
Speaker 1: We have just been down there a short time ago
Speaker 1: for the Nutcracker. We parked over here, we got a
Speaker 1: burger somewhere we're walking down. We walked by that very
Speaker 1: spot where that woman had her throat slit. You think
Speaker 1: I'm going to bring my family back down there anytime soon?
Speaker 1: But I shouldn't have brought him back down there then,
Speaker 1: because I know, think about what's happened to that mall
Speaker 1: since legalization of marijuana. Think about what's happened to it,
Speaker 1: and they can pour billions into putting nicer light fixture ups.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: You're not going to get people down there. You're not
Speaker 1: going to get people down there until you get rid
Speaker 1: of this garbage. Eric, You're on the Dan Kaplas Show. Welcome, Hey, Eric.
Speaker 1: Eric probably does not believe I'm done talking, but I
Speaker 1: am so Oh I think our line was potted down.
Speaker 2: Technical issue. Let's try him again. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dan, do you have me? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you?
Speaker 5: Oh good, good good.
Speaker 4: Couldn't agree with you more.
Speaker 6: Number two is a follow.
Speaker 3: Up to that question.
Speaker 5: To sit there and listen.
Speaker 7: To these liberal lefty nut jobs trying to sell the
Speaker 7: public on how they're going to make it safer when
Speaker 7: they now give you a three day waiting period for
Speaker 7: all these people that are victims to go buy a
Speaker 7: gun to defend themselves before the next crime happens. Number two,
Speaker 7: you're going to get penalized on April first, when Proposition
Speaker 7: kate K goes into effect to charge you another six
Speaker 7: and a half percent on top of your regular tax
Speaker 7: rate to purchase a weapon in the first place. So
Speaker 7: they really don't care about the people of Colorado. We
Speaker 7: know that because they made it more difficult for you
Speaker 7: to go out and buy a gun to protect yourself.
Speaker 1: With Eric good good call on that. You're welcome to
Speaker 1: talk to the other side as well. I need to
Speaker 1: hit this hard break.
Speaker 6: Listen.
Speaker 1: We know we have so many different examples. I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about your common Democrat, but the left that owns
Speaker 1: the party. They don't care about human life that they
Speaker 1: just don't value it the same way. There's an acceptable
Speaker 1: casualty rate in their mind. They're not going to lose
Speaker 1: any sleep over this flight attendant, by the way, or
Speaker 1: the other gentleman who was killed last night, or the
Speaker 1: other two who are stabbed, or all the other people
Speaker 1: who are.
Speaker 2: Dead because of legalized dope.
Speaker 1: That you really think they lose a minute's sleep, Well,
Speaker 1: Mike Johnston will pretend that he does. He's going to
Speaker 1: do a press conference at five. We'll duck into that.
Speaker 1: You're on the Dan Kapla.
Speaker 8: Show and now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 9: Expect the cues of carrying out multiple stabbings over the weekend,
Speaker 9: appeared in court today. Has happened on the sixteenth Street Mall.
Speaker 9: In total, two people died from their injuries. Officials believe
Speaker 9: the suspect carried out a total of four stabbings between
Speaker 9: Saturday and Sunday. The Association of Professional Flight Yeah.
Speaker 2: And they go on to describe Selinda Levno, who had
Speaker 2: her throat slash. She's on a layover.
Speaker 1: American analysts flight attendant on a layover, going shopping on
Speaker 1: the mall, has her throat slash like she's in the
Speaker 1: middle of a third world country with with you know,
Speaker 1: no type of safety. I mean, it is completely unacceptable
Speaker 1: for Colorado. But you know what, the left is fine
Speaker 1: with it. I'm not talking about a great men and
Speaker 1: women in law enforcement. They would have died to Saber.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the left and including politicians at every level.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, you know, the lawless Mike Johnston is obviously
Speaker 1: obviously you know, politicize the chief of police as well.
Speaker 1: So that's what we've got now, right where all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you can get a group that just decides
Speaker 1: they're taking over a area. They're taking it over, They're
Speaker 1: taking that land from the kids. They're disrupting university operations.
Speaker 1: They get to stay as long as they want to, right,
Speaker 1: because Johnston has politicized the police department. Okay, America elects
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, they want to come in and force federal
Speaker 1: immigration law. Lawless, Mike Johnston says he's going to use
Speaker 1: the Denver police to go fight him and stop them,
Speaker 1: stop them at the county line. I mean, that's the mentality, right,
Speaker 1: So it's no surprise at public safety. That doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Public safety doesn't matter. It's all about politicizing these things.
Speaker 1: So you tell me this. He's having a press conference, right,
Speaker 1: Lawless is having a press conference at five nine, So
Speaker 1: we're going to duck into that, and I want to
Speaker 1: hear somebody ask him. I want to hear somebody ask him.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the courage to come on this show.
Speaker 1: I want to hear somebody there ask him. Okay, what
Speaker 1: warnings were issued to the public after clearly, you know
Speaker 1: the serial stabbings started on Saturday, So what warnings were
Speaker 1: then issued to the public. I'll really be curious to see.
Speaker 1: I know there was some mild type news reporting, but
Speaker 1: at that point, you know you have a serial killer
Speaker 1: on the loose on the mall, and obviously following an
Speaker 1: mo slashed a woman's throats, stabbed two others within one
Speaker 1: hour on the mall, same vicinity. Was there any type
Speaker 1: of large scale public warning about that.
Speaker 2: I'll be very.
Speaker 1: Interested to see if there was. I didn't see it,
Speaker 1: and this goes back to two thousand and nine. I
Speaker 1: covered this story heavily, and then we'll get back to
Speaker 1: our phone lines. Two thousand and nine, when there were
Speaker 1: these serial, very severe beatings going on in Loto. It
Speaker 1: was a gang initiative and they were picking out white
Speaker 1: people to beat them, and they were beating people within
Speaker 1: an inch of their death. Eventually did kill someone, and
Speaker 1: that happened out further south. But you've got these serial
Speaker 1: beatings going on. Denver police are doing a magnificent job,
Speaker 1: a magnificent job of figuring out who was behind this, etc.
Speaker 1: The hicken Looper administration sat on it, same thing downtown Denver, Lodo.
Speaker 1: They hid it from the public because it would have
Speaker 1: been embarrassing to the hicken Looper administration, hurt his political prospects,
Speaker 1: and would have been bad for business downtown.
Speaker 2: These sobs hid it from the public.
Speaker 1: They were willing to let fathers wander at the victims,
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, were always male willing to let
Speaker 1: fathers wander down there with their families, willing to let
Speaker 1: all these innocent victims wander down to Lodo ballgames whatever,
Speaker 1: totally unaware that there was this gang initiation going on
Speaker 1: where they were beating white people senseless. Hick and Looper
Speaker 1: administration hit it. So I want to know where were
Speaker 1: the mass warnings after there was clearly a serial killer
Speaker 1: loose on the Denver mall. That better be the first
Speaker 1: question in the press conference today. Let's start with James
Speaker 1: and Denver. You're on the Dan Kapla show.
Speaker 6: Welcome, Yeah, good afternoon, Dan So. I had done a
Speaker 6: movie documentary with Stephen Tubbs during the riots downtown during
Speaker 6: COVID with all the you know, the drugs and the violence,
Speaker 6: and it was called Denver and Decay.
Speaker 2: And that's we done.
Speaker 6: Yeah. And I'm a recovering addict who has sixteen years
Speaker 6: clean and sober. I haven't touched anything, but I came
Speaker 6: from the world when Denver used to if you did something,
Speaker 6: you broke the law, they threw you in prison. And
Speaker 6: they had I had programs long term programs that would
Speaker 6: help you get your life together. That has all stopped.
Speaker 6: They don't do any of that anymore. They just coddle you.
Speaker 6: They tell you that your mistakes are because you grew
Speaker 6: up in a bad environment. Whatever. I don't go for
Speaker 6: any of that. My best friends now, or law enforcement.
Speaker 6: I have a lot of clean and sober people that
Speaker 6: are out there, and there are a lot of them
Speaker 6: that wouldn't put up with this at all. And this
Speaker 6: is this is just horrifying. And I cannot believe that
Speaker 6: the police, they've been kind of hamstrung. They what they
Speaker 6: did during COVID with the George Floyd thing. As soon
Speaker 6: as that happened, they made them start wearing these cameras
Speaker 6: and getting insurance and they can't hurt anybody or tell
Speaker 6: telling you they cannot go out there and be police.
Speaker 1: Well, James, appreciate, Oh sorry, James, I thought you're done.
Speaker 2: Appreciate that. Appreciate your documentary very much. Listen.
Speaker 1: I have no problem with body cams. I think bodycams
Speaker 1: are great for law enforcement because so often they prove
Speaker 1: that lies about law enforcement behavior are lies. So I
Speaker 1: have no problem with bodycam and I think most police
Speaker 1: don't either. The problem I have is the left undermines
Speaker 1: our law enforcement.
Speaker 2: My dad was a.
Speaker 1: Cop for thirty years in Chicago. He went out on
Speaker 1: the street. He knew that the mayor daily and the
Speaker 1: administration would have his back. And my dad was the
Speaker 1: very best of officers now here. If you're a Denver
Speaker 1: police officer, you have to be scared to death that
Speaker 1: you will be made a sacrificial lamb, a human sacrifice,
Speaker 1: and just sacrifice to the left if it's better for
Speaker 1: the political powers that be. So of course it's harder
Speaker 1: for officers to lean forward in their enforcement. But I
Speaker 1: want to know. I want to know what warnings were
Speaker 1: given to the public after on Saturday afternoon, Mayor Johnston
Speaker 1: knew there was a serial killer loose on the mall
Speaker 1: who had just slashed the throat of a flight attendant
Speaker 1: and killed her and stabbed two other people. And that's
Speaker 1: before the fourth victim was murdered on the mall by
Speaker 1: the same guy last night a day later. So what
Speaker 1: warnings were given to the public, what type of police presence?
Speaker 1: And don't blame individual officers, these are political decisions, resource decisions.
Speaker 1: Was the all absolutely flooded with officers?
Speaker 2: Maybe it was. Where was the big public warning?
Speaker 1: Then these are all questions that need to be answered now,
Speaker 1: particularly since we've seen how democrats in power have behaved
Speaker 1: in Denver before when faced with a similar thing, and
Speaker 1: they chose to cover it up because it would make
Speaker 1: them look bad. Right, So you didn't get the warning
Speaker 1: to the public in two thousand and nine and the
Speaker 1: violent assaults just continued. Yeah, eight five five or zero
Speaker 1: five eight two five five the number. We will have
Speaker 1: the pleasure of talking to former Chief Jim, former chief
Speaker 1: of DPD. We'll talk to him in the next segment
Speaker 1: if he's available. We have a pre schedule guest who's
Speaker 1: absolutely wonderful, going to do a drop with Tom Ruin,
Speaker 1: former Broncos punter, Super Bowl punter and All American at
Speaker 1: CEU who played for coach McCartney. Bill McCartney one of
Speaker 1: the greatest Coloraden's most impactful, Coloraden's greatest in every way
Speaker 1: to ever live, who passed away over the weekend, and
Speaker 1: Thom has some great stories about playing for Coach Mac.
Speaker 2: You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 8: You're listening to The Dan Kaplas Show Podcast.
Speaker 2: Four thirty six.
Speaker 1: The only thing that could get us to take a
Speaker 1: break from talking about this horrific serial stabber in Denver.
Speaker 1: Appears to be a stoner peers to have a long
Speaker 1: marijuana history. We'll get into that detail, but I want
Speaker 1: to hear at that press conference at five, where were
Speaker 1: the mass warnings to the people of the state, stay
Speaker 1: away from the mall. We've got a serial killer. They
Speaker 1: knew that Saturday afternoon. Yet another was killed on Sunday.
Speaker 1: And far more to talk about there, But listen. Bill
Speaker 1: McCartney was one of the probably top five Coloradins who
Speaker 1: ever lived. And football was the least of Bill McCartney.
Speaker 1: But he was a football giant, not just in winning,
Speaker 1: but the way he went about it. Such a great man,
Speaker 1: such a great Christian man. And we have just a
Speaker 1: great opportunity to talk to somebody who knew him very well.
Speaker 1: And Tom Ruin a Colorado kid heritage high school and
Speaker 1: then went on to become a national champion All American
Speaker 1: punter at CU and then a world champion Super Bowl
Speaker 1: punter for the Denver Broncos, and of course, above all
Speaker 1: the pinnacle of his probably his career being a good
Speaker 1: friend of mine.
Speaker 3: Tom.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Dan Kapali show. It has certainly been
Speaker 1: a pinnacle of my life. My friend, you are one
Speaker 1: of the finest I've ever encountered.
Speaker 3: Mine as well mine as well.
Speaker 2: How you doing, cap, Oh, you know, doing great, But
Speaker 2: just sad to see this news.
Speaker 1: So many memories come back. But I can't even imagine
Speaker 1: what it's like for you because you went with through
Speaker 1: the wars with Coach Mack.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's it's tough, you know, when you
Speaker 4: lose a guy like Coach Mack. And you know, he
Speaker 4: just was was so good at putting you at ease.
Speaker 4: And I remember the first day I met him, you know,
Speaker 4: I got sent through his door and I closed the
Speaker 4: door behind me, and he sat there and he's just
Speaker 4: staring at me, and you know, and he's just got
Speaker 4: that stern look, and his nose is going four different
Speaker 4: directions and he and he doesn't say a word. He
Speaker 4: just stares at me.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 4: And I'm saying, I'm thinking to myself, is my hair
Speaker 4: too long? I a little fat? You know, which both
Speaker 4: were a little true.
Speaker 5: At the time.
Speaker 4: And and then he slams his hands on the desk.
Speaker 4: He said, man, I didn't realize they were sending me
Speaker 4: such a big, good looking athlete, and it was just,
Speaker 4: you know, just immediately made me breathe.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, no, I can enjoy this.
Speaker 4: And we had a great meeting and and he was
Speaker 4: excited and he you know, the only thing he promised
Speaker 4: me is that he wouldn't recruit anybody because I had
Speaker 4: to sit out a year when I came in because
Speaker 4: Keith English was playing that year. So it worked out perfect.
Speaker 4: And he just he promised me, he said, I won't
Speaker 4: recruit anyone. You're my guy, and he's stuck to that
Speaker 4: and everything worked out great, and you know, so he
Speaker 4: just I don't know, he just had a really a
Speaker 4: great way of coming up with you know, tremendous one liners.
Speaker 3: That would would let you relax.
Speaker 4: And and he was so much about family and he
Speaker 4: wanted guys to become great guys and you know men,
Speaker 4: and he wanted him to be great you know, husbands
Speaker 4: and fathers, and that was what he wanted to see
Speaker 4: more than guys being just great football players.
Speaker 3: And I think he really.
Speaker 4: Accomplished that, you know, because we always had such a
Speaker 4: family atmosphere and really, so many really great guys have
Speaker 4: come out of that program.
Speaker 1: Oh they sure have and great football players as well.
Speaker 1: So what made him such a winner from the football side,
Speaker 1: because as you know, I mean he came into a
Speaker 1: program which was not a winning program, and then you
Speaker 1: know what, three straight and I think you guys had
Speaker 1: three straight Big Eight championships in the Big Eight was
Speaker 1: about as tough as it got. And then obviously the
Speaker 1: National championship.
Speaker 5: You know, I think one of the things was he was.
Speaker 4: A great recruiter, and he was he looked for kids
Speaker 4: that were tough, and so he took guys that we
Speaker 4: were really really tough, and then he polished their skills
Speaker 4: and and just really got them all to play together
Speaker 4: and play as a team. Because you know, the one
Speaker 4: thing about us, you know, I would see some of
Speaker 4: these games, you know in the last five years, or
Speaker 4: you know, when things have been going pretty rough for
Speaker 4: SeeU or you know at halftime it's fifty five to zero,
Speaker 4: and it's like, if anybody did that to us.
Speaker 5: Back then, you know, whoever's on that next kickoff team.
Speaker 4: Someone you know, there's gonna be a lot of guys
Speaker 4: sleeping at you know, at contact. I mean, we had
Speaker 4: just tough guys and mean guys and they would not
Speaker 4: tolerate you doing that to us. And and so I
Speaker 4: think a lot of it is you start with that,
Speaker 4: and then you know you have to develop them into
Speaker 4: great athletes. And you know, he would let guys kind
Speaker 4: of move and and you know, you think of like
Speaker 4: a Arry Helton comes in as a drop back quarterback
Speaker 4: and ends up being one of the best punters.
Speaker 3: You know, all of you.
Speaker 4: Know ever in college football, right you know, Keith Anglish
Speaker 4: tight end becomes a punter. Vance Johnson or Vance Joseph
Speaker 4: comes in as a quarterback, ends up being a defensive
Speaker 4: back and.
Speaker 3: Makes it in the NFL.
Speaker 5: I mean it's you.
Speaker 4: Know, Ronnie Woolfer quarterback turns into a defensive linement. I
Speaker 4: mean it just guys, he gave guys the room to, hey,
Speaker 4: if if.
Speaker 5: This isn't working out, let's try something else.
Speaker 4: Because you're a great athlete and you understand the game,
Speaker 4: and let's try.
Speaker 5: To find a better.
Speaker 4: Spot for you, you know.
Speaker 5: Because we need all of you.
Speaker 4: And his recruiting really was second to none. I mean
Speaker 4: when he was able to get Alfred Williams, Davis McGee
Speaker 4: to come along with Art Walker, you know, the h Boys,
Speaker 4: I mean that was huge because those guys were as
Speaker 4: good as there is coming out of high school.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and well we know best from all the
Speaker 1: years working here and just a great human to begin with.
Speaker 2: But Tom Ruin our special guest.
Speaker 1: He was all American Ats to see you and then
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl champion with the Broncos and new McCartney.
Speaker 1: Well McCartney recruited him and Tom played for Coach macause
Speaker 1: we're talking about Tom. Talk with folks a little bit
Speaker 1: about the inspirational coach Mac, what what made him that
Speaker 1: way and so effective? People would run through walls for him,
Speaker 1: and then you would see the things folks would accomplish.
Speaker 1: Any any favorite Coach Mac inspirational stories.
Speaker 4: You know, I think that the main thing that that
Speaker 4: guys really got out of Mac, and the reason that
Speaker 4: that they they played so hard for him was because
Speaker 4: you know, he told he told you the truth, and
Speaker 4: he cared about you. And you know you used to
Speaker 4: always say, if you want to know where you stand,
Speaker 4: you can come in my door anytime, but you may
Speaker 4: not like what I'm going to tell you, so you know,
Speaker 4: so be careful if you know, if you're not totally sure,
Speaker 4: because you might walk through that door and he might
Speaker 4: say well, you know, you're not giving me all the efforts.
Speaker 4: You're fifteen pounds overweight, You're not getting it done in
Speaker 4: the classroom, you know what I mean. It could be
Speaker 4: a rough conversation, but he was always true to his word.
Speaker 4: And and that is so hard to find in college sports,
Speaker 4: and coaches will say and do anything just to get
Speaker 4: you there. And you know, and then they, you know,
Speaker 4: they'll why to you right up to the you know,
Speaker 4: the day you're going out the door. I mean, I
Speaker 4: played for coaches. You know that I was there an
Speaker 4: entire year and guy never knew my name.
Speaker 3: You know, how's that even possible? Yeah?
Speaker 4: And and but that's the kind of thing that goes.
Speaker 3: On in college fo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow. I you know, he's one of those people.
Speaker 1: Anybody who got a chance to know him, I think
Speaker 1: is very fortunate. And you were great for him, and
Speaker 1: he was great for you. And what an amazing experience
Speaker 1: you had there. I wish that I had had the
Speaker 1: chance to know him that way. My only Bill McCartney
Speaker 1: contact other than here and there. And you know, just hey,
Speaker 1: how you doing sort of stuff? Was with you in
Speaker 1: the elevator. I don't know if you remember this, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm imagining it the elevator of whatever Miami hotel. It
Speaker 1: was right after you guys won the Super Bowl that
Speaker 1: pardon me, the National Championship game against Notre Dame bel Harbor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Belle Harbor, that's right.
Speaker 1: And coach Mac, I thought, I think he got on
Speaker 1: the elevator with us, and he had instructed you to
Speaker 1: kick to rocket Ishmail punt to rocket Ishmeil toward the
Speaker 1: end of the game, even though you were clearly asking
Speaker 1: him after you know, there's been a procedure penalty, how
Speaker 1: you want me to kick it out of bounds? And Mac,
Speaker 1: what do you think that was? Do you think that
Speaker 1: was just his competitiveness wanted you to kick anyway? He
Speaker 1: gets on the elevator and we all know Tom hit
Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful ponts ever, but Rocket Bean
Speaker 1: Rocket ran it back. But fortunately there was a clip
Speaker 1: and the day was saved and everything else. And Mac
Speaker 1: got on the elevator he said, he said, boy, Tom,
Speaker 1: if hadn't been for that flag, we'd both be walking
Speaker 1: back to Colorado.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that or had I just drank too
Speaker 2: much that night? Did that really happen?
Speaker 3: You know, I don't remember it.
Speaker 5: Exactly.
Speaker 2: Maybe it never happened, but.
Speaker 3: You know, I think it probably did. I think I
Speaker 3: think he did say something to the point where, you know,
Speaker 3: had that those flags not come down, we would have
Speaker 3: been walking.
Speaker 2: But I remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just it was just you know, against.
Speaker 4: Rocket, we we had only given up a couple of yards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you were booming it.
Speaker 4: In the two years we played against him, and so yeah,
Speaker 4: it just it was one of those things where, you know,
Speaker 4: in the first guy that got blocked in the back
Speaker 4: was Tim James, who was you know, unbelievable uh fotball
Speaker 4: player and was drafted high and you.
Speaker 3: Know, so yeah, there was.
Speaker 4: Actually another yeah, and there was actually more than that
Speaker 4: clip on that play.
Speaker 3: But it all it all.
Speaker 1: Worked out and you boomed it and had a great game.
Speaker 1: And well, hey, thanks for sharing all that. What a
Speaker 1: great human, Bill McCartney, and appreciate your time today and
Speaker 1: say hey to Amy for us and we'll talk to
Speaker 1: you soon.
Speaker 3: Sounds good, Thanks so much, good talking to d.
Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend. Take care of that.
Speaker 1: Is that Tom Rowin one of the great people you'll
Speaker 1: ever meet, married to one of the great people you'll
Speaker 1: ever meet, Amy Vandyke and height five five five eight
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Speaker 1: three nine. We'll come back to the horror the serial
Speaker 1: killer on the mall will drop into Lawless Mike Johnston's
Speaker 1: presser at five. Where were the big warnings to the public?
Speaker 1: And and isn't this what you get with legalized marijuana?
Speaker 1: You're on the Dan Kapla.
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Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: And he's not the only one, right, this is what
Speaker 1: you get with legalized marijuana. Now, hey, I'm inferring that, right,
Speaker 1: I'm inferring that from these public reports of a marijuana
Speaker 1: arrest at age nineteen for dealing a marijuana arrest, that
Speaker 1: suggests to me he was likely a heavy user.
Speaker 2: We see a published.
Speaker 1: Report right now that his profile pick on social media
Speaker 1: was a big marijuana leaf glorifying marijuana. We have the
Speaker 1: act itself, right, The act itself is so consistent with
Speaker 1: the type of psychotic break. I'm not trying to make
Speaker 1: excuses for me. You should be in jail for life
Speaker 1: and more. The type of psychotic break we see with
Speaker 1: heavy marijuana use. We have and we've seen it before here, right,
Speaker 1: that monster who shot up the Planned Parenthood clinic down
Speaker 1: in Colorado Springs came here according to Denver Post reporting
Speaker 1: for the Legal Dope and so, and you probably know
Speaker 1: from your own life all sorts of examples doesn't mean
Speaker 1: everybody who uses this stuff and this high potency stuff
Speaker 1: goes out and kills people.
Speaker 2: But the point is some do.
Speaker 1: And the point is this brings all sorts of harm
Speaker 1: to a community, which is why until Colorado made this mistake,
Speaker 1: with lots of out of state left money coming in
Speaker 1: to buy the vote. Until Colorado made this mistake, you know,
Speaker 1: there wasn't I don't think at that point there was
Speaker 1: a single place in the world, the entire world, that
Speaker 1: had the kind of legalized marijuana program that Colorado then
Speaker 1: put in.
Speaker 2: For good reason, it's suicidal. It's suicidal to society.
Speaker 1: But I want to hear this press conference coming up
Speaker 1: with Lawless Mike. I want to hear from them what
Speaker 1: type of And I don't doubt there was some type
Speaker 1: of public statement made, But you and I both know it.
Speaker 1: If the city wants to issue a true warning and
Speaker 1: let people know, hey, there is a serial killer loose
Speaker 1: on the mall, they have a way to do that.
Speaker 1: That's going to get everybody's attention. But Ran, did you
Speaker 1: see that? I mean, I was working hard on Saturday.
Speaker 1: We went up to a little place in the mountains.
Speaker 1: I was buried in some work, but I was checking news.
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything like serial killer loose on the mall.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then after you get a woman as her
Speaker 1: throat slashed United Airlines or an American flight attendant just
Speaker 1: as a layover goes down there to shop gets her
Speaker 1: throat slashed. You have multiple other people stabbed on the
Speaker 1: mall within an hour, and at that point you don't
Speaker 1: think you've got a serial killer loose, and then he
Speaker 1: kills again last night. So want to know what kind
Speaker 1: of warning was issued or was this like two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine, when the Democrat administration of hicken Looper, it knew,
Speaker 1: it knew that it is the serial very vicious beatings
Speaker 1: going on, It knew it was a gang initiative. Police
Speaker 1: had done tremendous work to undercover that and did tremendous
Speaker 1: work to bust up the ring eventually, but the political
Speaker 1: powers that be that Democrat Hickenlooper administration, they hit it
Speaker 1: from the public would have.
Speaker 2: Been bad for Hick.
Speaker 1: Not a good look for Hick nationally, right, and not
Speaker 1: good for downtown business. So yeah, Hickenlooper administration just hit
Speaker 1: it from the public. Was this another one of those?
Speaker 1: So they've got.
Speaker 2: Some explain I need to do.
Speaker 1: But then the bigger issue, Hey, are you going to
Speaker 1: go down to the mall? What do you think it's
Speaker 1: ever going to take to make that mall usable again
Speaker 1: in downtown Denver? Because I got to tell you, no
Speaker 1: matter how many millions they spend new lighting fixtures, new plants,
Speaker 1: or whatever, people aren't going down there until you clean
Speaker 1: up clean up the human mess. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: any particular human is a mess. Everybody's created by God.
Speaker 1: But you got a bunch of people who are acting
Speaker 1: like a mess and scaring people off that mall. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I was saying earlier, I had the wife and kids.
Speaker 1: We were down on that very spot not long ago,
Speaker 1: going down to see the Nutcracker, and that night I
Speaker 1: was thinking, should we really be down here in a
Speaker 1: you know, but not again, not again that mall. That
Speaker 1: mall has been unlivable since they legalize marijuana. And there's
Speaker 1: no surprise there because it's going to be a magnet.
Speaker 1: It became a magnet for homeless, but it can be
Speaker 1: magnet for young homeless. And it became a magnet for crime,
Speaker 1: attracting criminals like the planned Parenthood shooter down there, and
Speaker 1: then causing criminal act Is that all expression? All that
Speaker 1: guys acting like he's on drugs? It's it's there for
Speaker 1: a reason that's as old as Fred Flintstone. Because when
Speaker 1: people act on drugs are on drugs, a lot of
Speaker 1: them do crazy things, not all of them, but not
Speaker 1: all of them have to do crazy things for it
Speaker 1: to be crazy for a society to allow that eight
Speaker 1: five five zero five eight two five five text d
Speaker 1: A N five seven seven three nine What do you
Speaker 1: want to hear asked in this press or that we're
Speaker 1: going to duck into on the other side? First question
Speaker 1: I want to hear asked is hey, mister mahyor but
Speaker 1: what kind of warnings we're given to the public about
Speaker 1: a serial killer.
Speaker 2: Being loose on the mall?
Speaker 1: What kind of warnings for given? And then what what
Speaker 1: did you instruct police to do? We know the great
Speaker 1: men and women of DPD, they would die to protect
Speaker 1: you on the mall, But these decisions are made at
Speaker 1: a political level because lawless Mike Johnston.
Speaker 2: Has politicized the top of the department.
Speaker 1: So so what was done in terms of public warnings,
Speaker 1: what was done in terms of law enforcement? What's going
Speaker 1: to be done going forward? Because you will there there
Speaker 1: is no hope for that mall. There is no hope
Speaker 1: for that mall until legal marijuana's overturned and or they
Speaker 1: flood them all with law enforcement to make sure all.
Speaker 2: The laws are enforced.
Speaker 1: And Ryan, we're seeing these published reports right now that
Speaker 1: this accused killer it was out on one hundred dollars
Speaker 1: bond for a sex offense, like a sex offense this year,
Speaker 1: and this was on the tail end of reportedly a
Speaker 1: long criminal history, which comes back to I've got to
Speaker 1: tell you, my brother, why isn't there more reporting on this?
Speaker 1: And I know you can find stories like on every outlet,
Speaker 1: but why isn't this just the front page screaming twenty
Speaker 1: four to seven story in Colorado? Well, guess what doesn't
Speaker 1: make the Denver DA's office lookro good, doesn't make any
Speaker 1: Democrats in power in Colorado look real good. So of
Speaker 1: course it's not going to get all the coverage that
Speaker 1: it should. That's just the way it is here eight
Speaker 1: five five four zero five eight two five five text
Speaker 1: DA five seven seven three nine. On the other side,
Speaker 1: we'll duck into that press conference. See how the Mirror
Speaker 1: explains it.