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<v Speaker 1>This is Dan Caples and welcome to today's online podcast

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<v Speaker 1>edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>single day on your favorite podcast platform. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>legalized dope gets you. What we just got on the

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen Street mall. But you know what, there's so much

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<v Speaker 1>more of it happening that you never hear about, you

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<v Speaker 1>never see because they hide it, because the powers that

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<v Speaker 1>be have no interest whatsoever and letting you know the

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<v Speaker 1>true magnitude and depth and horror of the crime and

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<v Speaker 1>other horribles that are happening in this state because of

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<v Speaker 1>legalized marijuana. But you've got the face of that evil,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm talking the evil of legalized marijuana.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got the face of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right in front of you, right now with this twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four year old Elijah Caudle cau d Ill. And we've

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<v Speaker 1>got the face of it in front of us right

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<v Speaker 1>now with this American Airlines flight attendant. So Linda Levno's

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<v Speaker 1>just she's on a layover, so she decides to shop

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<v Speaker 1>on the sixteenth Street mall and gets her throat slit

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<v Speaker 1>like she's in the middle of a war zone, because

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<v Speaker 1>guess what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is And all.

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<v Speaker 1>These people stuffing their pockets with money, it's blood money,

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<v Speaker 1>because they know.

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<v Speaker 2>What they call marijuana.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the old marijuana, even the old marijuana of the

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<v Speaker 1>hippies in the seventies, even that stuff caused a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of harm. But this is like Krakawana, this high potency

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that they put out there because they want to

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<v Speaker 1>hook them young, like they did with this kid, right,

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<v Speaker 1>They want to hook them young, They want to hook

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<v Speaker 1>them forever. And then you get all these people, and

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<v Speaker 1>you get plenty of people who do this dope and Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it may mess up their life and the lives of

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<v Speaker 1>people around them.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't go out and commit crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>But the point is that all of these harms come

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of different levels and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different shapes and sizes, from all these kids who lose

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<v Speaker 1>their ambition and they kind of had their future robbed,

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<v Speaker 1>to the people who die on the highways, to all

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<v Speaker 1>these other forms a harm. But then you do get

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<v Speaker 1>these psychotic breaks.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look at that monster.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at that monster who shot up the Planned Parenthood

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<v Speaker 1>clinic in Colorado Springs. He was attracted here by the

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<v Speaker 1>legalized dope. You know, I think he still isn't He

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<v Speaker 1>still considered insane from whatever breaks he had. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you get you get this guy arrested.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's twenty four and he's arrested for dealing dope in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen. And I'm not making any excuses

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<v Speaker 1>for him listening, he should be in jail the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of his life and beyond. But what I'm saying is

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<v Speaker 1>is I bet if somebody does the deep dive and

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<v Speaker 1>they look at his life before he got into dope,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna see a different kid. And that doesn't mean,

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<v Speaker 1>oh the devil made me do it, or blame the dope.

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<v Speaker 1>He should get leniency, not at all. You cut the

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<v Speaker 1>throat of a woman on the sixteenth Street, Mall you

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<v Speaker 1>kill this other guy you stabbed four people trying to

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<v Speaker 1>kill him, that then yeah, that you should be in

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<v Speaker 1>jail the rest of your life and beyond. But we

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<v Speaker 1>as a society, to protect ourselves, we need to demand more.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to demand the truth because there's all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of crime out there happening that is fueled by drug use.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fueled very often by marijuana. And you don't hear krakajana.

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<v Speaker 1>You should call it with this potency, and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>hear anything about it. Oh, they say, Oh, there's no causation.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't prove causation. Oh, let's see. Okay, so we

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<v Speaker 1>see this big surgeon crime statistics, steady surgeon crime stats

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<v Speaker 1>since marijuana was legalized. Oh that's a big coincidence, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>big coincidence.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, it is what you would expect it to be.

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<v Speaker 2>It's what the.

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<v Speaker 1>Old saying goes, Oh, that guy's acting like he's on drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>That saying's been around since Fred Flintstone. Why do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that's sayings around? Because drugs make people act differently,

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<v Speaker 1>not each and every person. But is that the standard

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<v Speaker 1>now in Colorado? That okay, Unless this legalized krakawana causes

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<v Speaker 1>everybody to go out and slip people's throats or commit

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<v Speaker 1>some other form of crime or get addicted, then that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's make it legal. Now that's the big live we've

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<v Speaker 1>been sold by the left. Right, so by the left,

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<v Speaker 1>sold by the big money that came in here. Twice

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<v Speaker 1>voters turned it down here and then it eventually get

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<v Speaker 1>legalized because the left flooded the state with big money

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<v Speaker 1>and the hick and Loopers of the world, and the

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<v Speaker 1>polices and the other lefties, they just couldn't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>legalize dope. Now hick and Loopers says he opposed it

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<v Speaker 1>out of the corner of his mouth, you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>typical two face garbage.

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<v Speaker 2>But they love this stuff, right, because what does the

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<v Speaker 2>left want?

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<v Speaker 1>The left wants people dependent on government, and it also

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<v Speaker 1>wants all the money from marijuana, right, But it wants

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<v Speaker 1>people dependent on government. And Jerry Brown acknowledged it, the

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<v Speaker 1>uber liberal governor at one time in California, that how

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<v Speaker 1>many stoners can you have and still have a great state.

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<v Speaker 1>But the point is the left wants people addicted. They

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<v Speaker 1>want him dependent on government. The more drug users you have,

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<v Speaker 1>the more people are going to be dependent on government.

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<v Speaker 1>And this stuff infects all walks of life. Listen, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care what any individual adult does on their free time,

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<v Speaker 1>but when it comes to like using marijuana, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>in an individual adult using marijuana, that sort of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a moral issue to me, and who cares

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<v Speaker 1>if it was, it isn't. The point is in order

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<v Speaker 1>to facilitate that the way the left has chosen to

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<v Speaker 1>do it in Colorado. You know what you're getting. You're

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<v Speaker 1>getting this kid who just slashed a woman's throat on

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<v Speaker 1>the mall and stabbed three other people and killed one

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<v Speaker 1>of those others. That's the price the left is willing

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<v Speaker 1>to pay for the obvious. Elton John no prude?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Ryan, is Elton John a prude? No anybody ever

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<v Speaker 2>called Elton John a prude? Right? Elton John says legalization

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<v Speaker 2>of marijuana it may.

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<v Speaker 1>Be the biggest mistake America's ever made, for all the

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<v Speaker 1>obvious reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>He got hooked on the stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but we're getting exactly what anybody paying attention

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<v Speaker 1>knew we would get, but we're getting a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>more of it, and it is not worth it.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is the reality. Now, the reality may we may.

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<v Speaker 1>Be stuck with this right because marijuana is all the

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<v Speaker 1>big money they got. Most of the politicians, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so many of the big money folks who fund campaigns

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<v Speaker 1>just think it's not winnable to overturn it. But let's

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<v Speaker 1>be honest about what the left has brought us in Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>Want a couple on the right but let's be honest

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<v Speaker 1>about what they brought us and what it's doing to us,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fact that the truth is being hidden from us,

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<v Speaker 1>about how much more crime? How many other harms are

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<v Speaker 1>tied to this? Eight five to five for zero five

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<v Speaker 1>eight two five five the number. So Elijah Caudle, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>arrested for dealing marijuana in twenty nineteen. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>stories I saw had a social media profile picture of

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<v Speaker 1>him was a marijuana leaf.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hope.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody does a deep dive on his life, because you

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<v Speaker 1>know it. You know so many of these kids in

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<v Speaker 1>your life. It doesn't mean they go out and slash throats,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know so many kids in your life and

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<v Speaker 1>adults you know, who were a whole different type of

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<v Speaker 1>kid before they got into this Krakawana that Polis and

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<v Speaker 1>Hickenlooper and the whole rest of the left loves right,

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<v Speaker 1>a whole different type of kid. You know, we thank God, literally,

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<v Speaker 1>we thank God often our kids have been spared that.

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<v Speaker 1>But we know so many good kids, hard working kids.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, great parents, great families who one way or

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<v Speaker 1>the other, they got into it, and so many of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Once you get into it, you can't get out. And

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<v Speaker 1>it just changes who they are. And it's not limited

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<v Speaker 1>to kids. But obviously this guy started young and has

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<v Speaker 1>an arrest record, a long arrest record.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what this brings. And it's not a one off.

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<v Speaker 1>We know of some of the high profile ones, right

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<v Speaker 1>like that monster in the Springs who shot up the

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<v Speaker 1>planned Parenthood clinic, But there are so many other crimes,

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<v Speaker 1>so many other crimes where this is involved. Let's start

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<v Speaker 1>with Eric in Castle Rock. You're on the dan kaplis

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<v Speaker 1>so obviously a whole lot to talk about here. At

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<v Speaker 1>what point will Colorado vote to overturn this madness? At

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<v Speaker 1>what point does that happen? Is it impossible to get

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<v Speaker 1>to that point? I don't think it's impossible to get

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<v Speaker 1>to that point? Will you go down to the sixteenth

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>I call my wife on the way over to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>We have just been down there a short time ago

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<v Speaker 1>for the Nutcracker. We parked over here, we got a

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<v Speaker 1>burger somewhere we're walking down. We walked by that very

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<v Speaker 1>spot where that woman had her throat slit. You think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to bring my family back down there anytime soon?

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<v Speaker 1>But I shouldn't have brought him back down there then,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know, think about what's happened to that mall

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<v Speaker 1>since legalization of marijuana. Think about what's happened to it,

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<v Speaker 1>and they can pour billions into putting nicer light fixture ups.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not going to get people down there. You're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to get people down there until you get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of this garbage. Eric, You're on the Dan Kaplas Show. Welcome, Hey, Eric.

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<v Speaker 1>Eric probably does not believe I'm done talking, but I

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<v Speaker 1>am so Oh I think our line was potted down.

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<v Speaker 2>Technical issue. Let's try him again. Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Dan, do you have me? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, thank you?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh good, good good.

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<v Speaker 4>Couldn't agree with you more.

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<v Speaker 6>Number two is a follow.

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<v Speaker 3>Up to that question.

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<v Speaker 5>To sit there and listen.

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<v Speaker 7>To these liberal lefty nut jobs trying to sell the

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<v Speaker 7>public on how they're going to make it safer when

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<v Speaker 7>they now give you a three day waiting period for

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<v Speaker 7>all these people that are victims to go buy a

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<v Speaker 7>gun to defend themselves before the next crime happens. Number two,

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<v Speaker 7>you're going to get penalized on April first, when Proposition

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<v Speaker 7>kate K goes into effect to charge you another six

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<v Speaker 7>and a half percent on top of your regular tax

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<v Speaker 7>rate to purchase a weapon in the first place. So

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<v Speaker 7>they really don't care about the people of Colorado. We

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<v Speaker 7>know that because they made it more difficult for you

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<v Speaker 7>to go out and buy a gun to protect yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>With Eric good good call on that. You're welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to the other side as well. I need to

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<v Speaker 1>hit this hard break.

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<v Speaker 6>Listen.

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<v Speaker 1>We know we have so many different examples. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about your common Democrat, but the left that owns

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<v Speaker 1>just don't value it the same way. There's an acceptable

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<v Speaker 1>That you really think they lose a minute's sleep, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>do a press conference at five. We'll duck into that.

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<v Speaker 9>Expect the cues of carrying out multiple stabbings over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 9>appeared in court today. Has happened on the sixteenth Street Mall.

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<v Speaker 9>In total, two people died from their injuries. Officials believe

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<v Speaker 9>Saturday and Sunday. The Association of Professional Flight Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And they go on to describe Selinda Levno, who had

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<v Speaker 1>American analysts flight attendant on a layover, going shopping on

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<v Speaker 1>the mall, has her throat slash like she's in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of a third world country with with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>no type of safety. I mean, it is completely unacceptable

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<v Speaker 1>for Colorado. But you know what, the left is fine

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<v Speaker 1>with it. I'm not talking about a great men and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about the left and including politicians at every level.

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<v Speaker 1>And unfortunately, you know, the lawless Mike Johnston is obviously

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you know, politicize the chief of police as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what we've got now, right where all of

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<v Speaker 1>they're taking over a area. They're taking it over, They're

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<v Speaker 1>taking that land from the kids. They're disrupting university operations.

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<v Speaker 1>They get to stay as long as they want to, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because Johnston has politicized the police department. Okay, America elects

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump, they want to come in and force federal

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<v Speaker 1>immigration law. Lawless, Mike Johnston says he's going to use

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<v Speaker 1>the Denver police to go fight him and stop them,

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<v Speaker 1>stop them at the county line. I mean, that's the mentality, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's no surprise at public safety. That doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Public safety doesn't matter. It's all about politicizing these things.

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<v Speaker 1>So you tell me this. He's having a press conference, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Lawless is having a press conference at five nine, So

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to duck into that, and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear somebody ask him. I want to hear somebody ask him.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't have the courage to come on this show.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hear somebody there ask him. Okay, what

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<v Speaker 1>warnings were issued to the public after clearly, you know

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<v Speaker 1>the serial stabbings started on Saturday, So what warnings were

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<v Speaker 1>then issued to the public. I'll really be curious to see.

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<v Speaker 1>I know there was some mild type news reporting, but

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<v Speaker 1>at that point, you know you have a serial killer

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<v Speaker 1>mo slashed a woman's throats, stabbed two others within one

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<v Speaker 1>of large scale public warning about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Interested to see if there was. I didn't see it,

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<v Speaker 1>and this goes back to two thousand and nine. I

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<v Speaker 1>our phone lines. Two thousand and nine, when there were

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<v Speaker 1>these serial, very severe beatings going on in Loto. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a gang initiative and they were picking out white

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<v Speaker 1>people to beat them, and they were beating people within

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<v Speaker 1>an inch of their death. Eventually did kill someone, and

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<v Speaker 1>that happened out further south. But you've got these serial

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<v Speaker 1>beatings going on. Denver police are doing a magnificent job,

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<v Speaker 1>a magnificent job of figuring out who was behind this, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>The hicken Looper administration sat on it, same thing downtown Denver, Lodo.

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<v Speaker 1>They hid it from the public because it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been embarrassing to the hicken Looper administration, hurt his political prospects,

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<v Speaker 1>and would have been bad for business downtown.

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<v Speaker 2>These sobs hid it from the public.

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<v Speaker 1>They were willing to let fathers wander at the victims,

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<v Speaker 1>if I remember correctly, were always male willing to let

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<v Speaker 1>all these innocent victims wander down to Lodo ballgames whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>totally unaware that there was this gang initiation going on

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<v Speaker 1>where they were beating white people senseless. Hick and Looper

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<v Speaker 1>administration hit it. So I want to know where were

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<v Speaker 1>the mass warnings after there was clearly a serial killer

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<v Speaker 1>loose on the Denver mall. That better be the first

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<v Speaker 1>question in the press conference today. Let's start with James

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<v Speaker 6>Welcome, Yeah, good afternoon, Dan So. I had done a

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<v Speaker 6>movie documentary with Stephen Tubbs during the riots downtown during

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<v Speaker 6>COVID with all the you know, the drugs and the violence,

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<v Speaker 6>and it was called Denver and Decay.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's we done.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. And I'm a recovering addict who has sixteen years

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<v Speaker 6>clean and sober. I haven't touched anything, but I came

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<v Speaker 6>from the world when Denver used to if you did something,

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<v Speaker 6>you broke the law, they threw you in prison. And

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<v Speaker 6>they had I had programs long term programs that would

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<v Speaker 6>help you get your life together. That has all stopped.

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<v Speaker 6>They don't do any of that anymore. They just coddle you.

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<v Speaker 6>They tell you that your mistakes are because you grew

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<v Speaker 6>up in a bad environment. Whatever. I don't go for

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<v Speaker 6>any of that. My best friends now, or law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 6>I have a lot of clean and sober people that

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<v Speaker 6>are out there, and there are a lot of them

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<v Speaker 6>that wouldn't put up with this at all. And this

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<v Speaker 6>is this is just horrifying. And I cannot believe that

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<v Speaker 6>the police, they've been kind of hamstrung. They what they

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<v Speaker 6>as that happened, they made them start wearing these cameras

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<v Speaker 6>and getting insurance and they can't hurt anybody or tell

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<v Speaker 6>telling you they cannot go out there and be police.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, James, appreciate, Oh sorry, James, I thought you're done.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate that. Appreciate your documentary very much. Listen.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no problem with body cams. I think bodycams

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<v Speaker 1>are great for law enforcement because so often they prove

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<v Speaker 1>that lies about law enforcement behavior are lies. So I

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<v Speaker 1>have no problem with bodycam and I think most police

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<v Speaker 1>don't either. The problem I have is the left undermines

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<v Speaker 2>My dad was a.

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<v Speaker 1>Cop for thirty years in Chicago. He went out on

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<v Speaker 1>very best of officers now here. If you're a Denver

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<v Speaker 1>police officer, you have to be scared to death that

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<v Speaker 1>you will be made a sacrificial lamb, a human sacrifice,

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<v Speaker 1>and just sacrifice to the left if it's better for

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<v Speaker 1>the political powers that be. So of course it's harder

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<v Speaker 1>for officers to lean forward in their enforcement. But I

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<v Speaker 1>want to know. I want to know what warnings were

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<v Speaker 1>given to the public after on Saturday afternoon, Mayor Johnston

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<v Speaker 1>knew there was a serial killer loose on the mall

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<v Speaker 1>who had just slashed the throat of a flight attendant

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<v Speaker 1>and killed her and stabbed two other people. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>before the fourth victim was murdered on the mall by

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<v Speaker 1>the same guy last night a day later. So what

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<v Speaker 1>warnings were given to the public, what type of police presence?

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<v Speaker 1>And don't blame individual officers, these are political decisions, resource decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the all absolutely flooded with officers?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was. Where was the big public warning?

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<v Speaker 1>Then these are all questions that need to be answered now,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly since we've seen how democrats in power have behaved

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<v Speaker 1>in Denver before when faced with a similar thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>they chose to cover it up because it would make

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<v Speaker 1>them look bad. Right, So you didn't get the warning

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<v Speaker 1>to the public in two thousand and nine and the

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<v Speaker 1>violent assaults just continued. Yeah, eight five five or zero

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<v Speaker 1>if he's available. We have a pre schedule guest who's

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely wonderful, going to do a drop with Tom Ruin,

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<v Speaker 1>former Broncos punter, Super Bowl punter and All American at

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<v Speaker 1>CEU who played for coach McCartney. Bill McCartney one of

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest Coloraden's most impactful, Coloraden's greatest in every way

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<v Speaker 1>to ever live, who passed away over the weekend, and

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<v Speaker 2>Four thirty six.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing that could get us to take a

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<v Speaker 1>Appears to be a stoner peers to have a long

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<v Speaker 1>to hear at that press conference at five, where were

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<v Speaker 1>the mass warnings to the people of the state, stay

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<v Speaker 1>away from the mall. We've got a serial killer. They

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<v Speaker 1>And far more to talk about there, But listen. Bill

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<v Speaker 1>But he was a football giant, not just in winning,

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<v Speaker 1>And Tom Ruin a Colorado kid heritage high school and

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<v Speaker 3>Tom.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Dan Kapali show. It has certainly been

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<v Speaker 1>a pinnacle of my life. My friend, you are one

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<v Speaker 3>Mine as well mine as well.

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing, cap, Oh, you know, doing great, But

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<v Speaker 2>just sad to see this news.

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<v Speaker 1>So many memories come back. But I can't even imagine

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, it's it's tough, you know, when you

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<v Speaker 4>just was was so good at putting you at ease.

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<v Speaker 4>And I remember the first day I met him, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I got sent through his door and I closed the

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm saying, I'm thinking to myself, is my hair

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<v Speaker 4>too long? I a little fat? You know, which both

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<v Speaker 5>At the time.

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<v Speaker 4>And and then he slams his hands on the desk.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, man, I didn't realize they were sending me

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<v Speaker 4>And we had a great meeting and and he was

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<v Speaker 4>excited and he you know, the only thing he promised

425
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<v Speaker 4>me is that he wouldn't recruit anybody because I had

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<v Speaker 4>to sit out a year when I came in because

427
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<v Speaker 4>Keith English was playing that year. So it worked out perfect.

428
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<v Speaker 4>And he just he promised me, he said, I won't

429
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<v Speaker 4>recruit anyone. You're my guy, and he's stuck to that

430
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<v Speaker 4>and everything worked out great, and you know, so he

431
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<v Speaker 4>just I don't know, he just had a really a

432
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<v Speaker 4>great way of coming up with you know, tremendous one liners.

433
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<v Speaker 3>That would would let you relax.

434
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<v Speaker 4>And and he was so much about family and he

435
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<v Speaker 4>wanted guys to become great guys and you know men,

436
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<v Speaker 4>and he wanted him to be great you know, husbands

437
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<v Speaker 4>and fathers, and that was what he wanted to see

438
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<v Speaker 4>more than guys being just great football players.

439
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<v Speaker 3>And I think he really.

440
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<v Speaker 4>Accomplished that, you know, because we always had such a

441
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<v Speaker 4>family atmosphere and really, so many really great guys have

442
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<v Speaker 4>come out of that program.

443
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<v Speaker 1>Oh they sure have and great football players as well.

444
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<v Speaker 1>So what made him such a winner from the football side,

445
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<v Speaker 1>because as you know, I mean he came into a

446
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<v Speaker 1>program which was not a winning program, and then you

447
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<v Speaker 1>know what, three straight and I think you guys had

448
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<v Speaker 1>three straight Big Eight championships in the Big Eight was

449
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<v Speaker 1>about as tough as it got. And then obviously the

450
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<v Speaker 1>National championship.

451
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<v Speaker 5>You know, I think one of the things was he was.

452
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<v Speaker 4>A great recruiter, and he was he looked for kids

453
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<v Speaker 4>that were tough, and so he took guys that we

454
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<v Speaker 4>were really really tough, and then he polished their skills

455
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<v Speaker 4>and and just really got them all to play together

456
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<v Speaker 4>and play as a team. Because you know, the one

457
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<v Speaker 4>thing about us, you know, I would see some of

458
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<v Speaker 4>these games, you know in the last five years, or

459
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<v Speaker 4>you know, when things have been going pretty rough for

460
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<v Speaker 4>SeeU or you know at halftime it's fifty five to zero,

461
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<v Speaker 4>and it's like, if anybody did that to us.

462
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<v Speaker 5>Back then, you know, whoever's on that next kickoff team.

463
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<v Speaker 4>Someone you know, there's gonna be a lot of guys

464
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<v Speaker 4>sleeping at you know, at contact. I mean, we had

465
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<v Speaker 4>just tough guys and mean guys and they would not

466
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<v Speaker 4>tolerate you doing that to us. And and so I

467
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<v Speaker 4>think a lot of it is you start with that,

468
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<v Speaker 4>and then you know you have to develop them into

469
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<v Speaker 4>great athletes. And you know, he would let guys kind

470
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<v Speaker 4>of move and and you know, you think of like

471
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<v Speaker 4>a Arry Helton comes in as a drop back quarterback

472
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<v Speaker 4>and ends up being one of the best punters.

473
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<v Speaker 3>You know, all of you.

474
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<v Speaker 4>Know ever in college football, right you know, Keith Anglish

475
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<v Speaker 4>tight end becomes a punter. Vance Johnson or Vance Joseph

476
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<v Speaker 4>comes in as a quarterback, ends up being a defensive

477
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<v Speaker 4>back and.

478
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<v Speaker 3>Makes it in the NFL.

479
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<v Speaker 5>I mean it's you.

480
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<v Speaker 4>Know, Ronnie Woolfer quarterback turns into a defensive linement. I

481
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<v Speaker 4>mean it just guys, he gave guys the room to, hey,

482
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<v Speaker 4>if if.

483
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<v Speaker 5>This isn't working out, let's try something else.

484
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<v Speaker 4>Because you're a great athlete and you understand the game,

485
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<v Speaker 4>and let's try.

486
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<v Speaker 5>To find a better.

487
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<v Speaker 4>Spot for you, you know.

488
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<v Speaker 5>Because we need all of you.

489
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<v Speaker 4>And his recruiting really was second to none. I mean

490
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<v Speaker 4>when he was able to get Alfred Williams, Davis McGee

491
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<v Speaker 4>to come along with Art Walker, you know, the h Boys,

492
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<v Speaker 4>I mean that was huge because those guys were as

493
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<v Speaker 4>good as there is coming out of high school.

494
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, and well we know best from all the

495
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<v Speaker 1>years working here and just a great human to begin with.

496
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<v Speaker 2>But Tom Ruin our special guest.

497
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<v Speaker 1>He was all American Ats to see you and then

498
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<v Speaker 1>a Super Bowl champion with the Broncos and new McCartney.

499
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<v Speaker 1>Well McCartney recruited him and Tom played for Coach macause

500
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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about Tom. Talk with folks a little bit

501
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<v Speaker 1>about the inspirational coach Mac, what what made him that

502
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<v Speaker 1>way and so effective? People would run through walls for him,

503
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<v Speaker 1>and then you would see the things folks would accomplish.

504
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<v Speaker 1>Any any favorite Coach Mac inspirational stories.

505
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<v Speaker 4>You know, I think that the main thing that that

506
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<v Speaker 4>guys really got out of Mac, and the reason that

507
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<v Speaker 4>that they they played so hard for him was because

508
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<v Speaker 4>you know, he told he told you the truth, and

509
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<v Speaker 4>he cared about you. And you know you used to

510
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<v Speaker 4>always say, if you want to know where you stand,

511
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<v Speaker 4>you can come in my door anytime, but you may

512
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<v Speaker 4>not like what I'm going to tell you, so you know,

513
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<v Speaker 4>so be careful if you know, if you're not totally sure,

514
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<v Speaker 4>because you might walk through that door and he might

515
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<v Speaker 4>say well, you know, you're not giving me all the efforts.

516
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<v Speaker 4>You're fifteen pounds overweight, You're not getting it done in

517
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<v Speaker 4>the classroom, you know what I mean. It could be

518
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<v Speaker 4>a rough conversation, but he was always true to his word.

519
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<v Speaker 4>And and that is so hard to find in college sports,

520
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<v Speaker 4>and coaches will say and do anything just to get

521
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<v Speaker 4>you there. And you know, and then they, you know,

522
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<v Speaker 4>they'll why to you right up to the you know,

523
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<v Speaker 4>the day you're going out the door. I mean, I

524
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<v Speaker 4>played for coaches. You know that I was there an

525
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<v Speaker 4>entire year and guy never knew my name.

526
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<v Speaker 3>You know, how's that even possible? Yeah?

527
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<v Speaker 4>And and but that's the kind of thing that goes.

528
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<v Speaker 3>On in college fo.

529
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wow. I you know, he's one of those people.

530
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<v Speaker 1>Anybody who got a chance to know him, I think

531
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<v Speaker 1>is very fortunate. And you were great for him, and

532
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<v Speaker 1>he was great for you. And what an amazing experience

533
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<v Speaker 1>you had there. I wish that I had had the

534
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<v Speaker 1>chance to know him that way. My only Bill McCartney

535
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<v Speaker 1>contact other than here and there. And you know, just hey,

536
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<v Speaker 1>how you doing sort of stuff? Was with you in

537
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<v Speaker 1>the elevator. I don't know if you remember this, maybe

538
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<v Speaker 1>I'm imagining it the elevator of whatever Miami hotel. It

539
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<v Speaker 1>was right after you guys won the Super Bowl that

540
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<v Speaker 1>pardon me, the National Championship game against Notre Dame bel Harbor.

541
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Belle Harbor, that's right.

542
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<v Speaker 1>And coach Mac, I thought, I think he got on

543
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<v Speaker 1>the elevator with us, and he had instructed you to

544
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<v Speaker 1>kick to rocket Ishmail punt to rocket Ishmeil toward the

545
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<v Speaker 1>end of the game, even though you were clearly asking

546
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<v Speaker 1>him after you know, there's been a procedure penalty, how

547
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<v Speaker 1>you want me to kick it out of bounds? And Mac,

548
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<v Speaker 1>what do you think that was? Do you think that

549
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<v Speaker 1>was just his competitiveness wanted you to kick anyway? He

550
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<v Speaker 1>gets on the elevator and we all know Tom hit

551
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<v Speaker 1>one of the most beautiful ponts ever, but Rocket Bean

552
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<v Speaker 1>Rocket ran it back. But fortunately there was a clip

553
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<v Speaker 1>and the day was saved and everything else. And Mac

554
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:12.960
<v Speaker 1>got on the elevator he said, he said, boy, Tom,

555
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<v Speaker 1>if hadn't been for that flag, we'd both be walking

556
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<v Speaker 1>back to Colorado.

557
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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember that or had I just drank too

558
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<v Speaker 2>much that night? Did that really happen?

559
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<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't remember it.

560
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<v Speaker 5>Exactly.

561
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it never happened, but.

562
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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think it probably did. I think I

563
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<v Speaker 3>think he did say something to the point where, you know,

564
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<v Speaker 3>had that those flags not come down, we would have

565
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<v Speaker 3>been walking.

566
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<v Speaker 2>But I remember that.

567
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it just it was just you know, against.

568
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<v Speaker 4>Rocket, we we had only given up a couple of yards.

569
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you were booming it.

570
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<v Speaker 4>In the two years we played against him, and so yeah,

571
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:53.559
<v Speaker 4>it just it was one of those things where, you know,

572
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<v Speaker 4>in the first guy that got blocked in the back

573
00:28:55.680 --> 00:29:00.319
<v Speaker 4>was Tim James, who was you know, unbelievable uh fotball

574
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<v Speaker 4>player and was drafted high and you.

575
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<v Speaker 3>Know, so yeah, there was.

576
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<v Speaker 4>Actually another yeah, and there was actually more than that

577
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<v Speaker 4>clip on that play.

578
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 3>But it all it all.

579
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<v Speaker 1>Worked out and you boomed it and had a great game.

580
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<v Speaker 1>And well, hey, thanks for sharing all that. What a

581
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<v Speaker 1>great human, Bill McCartney, and appreciate your time today and

582
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<v Speaker 1>say hey to Amy for us and we'll talk to

583
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<v Speaker 1>you soon.

584
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<v Speaker 3>Sounds good, Thanks so much, good talking to d.

585
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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, my friend. Take care of that.

586
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<v Speaker 1>Is that Tom Rowin one of the great people you'll

587
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<v Speaker 1>ever meet, married to one of the great people you'll

588
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<v Speaker 1>ever meet, Amy Vandyke and height five five five eight

589
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<v Speaker 1>two five five text d A N five seven seven

590
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<v Speaker 1>three nine. We'll come back to the horror the serial

591
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:44.279
<v Speaker 1>killer on the mall will drop into Lawless Mike Johnston's

592
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<v Speaker 1>presser at five. Where were the big warnings to the public?

593
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<v Speaker 1>And and isn't this what you get with legalized marijuana?

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<v Speaker 1>You're on the Dan Kapla.

595
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<v Speaker 8>Show and now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.

596
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<v Speaker 2>That's what we're talking about.

597
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<v Speaker 1>And he's not the only one, right, this is what

598
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<v Speaker 1>you get with legalized marijuana. Now, hey, I'm inferring that, right,

599
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<v Speaker 1>I'm inferring that from these public reports of a marijuana

600
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<v Speaker 1>arrest at age nineteen for dealing a marijuana arrest, that

601
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<v Speaker 1>suggests to me he was likely a heavy user.

602
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<v Speaker 2>We see a published.

603
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<v Speaker 1>Report right now that his profile pick on social media

604
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<v Speaker 1>was a big marijuana leaf glorifying marijuana. We have the

605
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<v Speaker 1>act itself, right, The act itself is so consistent with

606
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<v Speaker 1>the type of psychotic break. I'm not trying to make

607
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<v Speaker 1>excuses for me. You should be in jail for life

608
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<v Speaker 1>and more. The type of psychotic break we see with

609
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<v Speaker 1>heavy marijuana use. We have and we've seen it before here, right,

610
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<v Speaker 1>that monster who shot up the Planned Parenthood clinic down

611
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<v Speaker 1>in Colorado Springs came here according to Denver Post reporting

612
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<v Speaker 1>for the Legal Dope and so, and you probably know

613
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<v Speaker 1>from your own life all sorts of examples doesn't mean

614
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<v Speaker 1>everybody who uses this stuff and this high potency stuff

615
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<v Speaker 1>goes out and kills people.

616
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<v Speaker 2>But the point is some do.

617
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<v Speaker 1>And the point is this brings all sorts of harm

618
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<v Speaker 1>to a community, which is why until Colorado made this mistake,

619
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<v Speaker 1>with lots of out of state left money coming in

620
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<v Speaker 1>to buy the vote. Until Colorado made this mistake, you know,

621
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<v Speaker 1>there wasn't I don't think at that point there was

622
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<v Speaker 1>a single place in the world, the entire world, that

623
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<v Speaker 1>had the kind of legalized marijuana program that Colorado then

624
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<v Speaker 1>put in.

625
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<v Speaker 2>For good reason, it's suicidal. It's suicidal to society.

626
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<v Speaker 1>But I want to hear this press conference coming up

627
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<v Speaker 1>with Lawless Mike. I want to hear from them what

628
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<v Speaker 1>type of And I don't doubt there was some type

629
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<v Speaker 1>of public statement made, But you and I both know it.

630
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<v Speaker 1>If the city wants to issue a true warning and

631
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<v Speaker 1>let people know, hey, there is a serial killer loose

632
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<v Speaker 1>on the mall, they have a way to do that.

633
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<v Speaker 1>That's going to get everybody's attention. But Ran, did you

634
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<v Speaker 1>see that? I mean, I was working hard on Saturday.

635
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<v Speaker 1>We went up to a little place in the mountains.

636
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<v Speaker 1>I was buried in some work, but I was checking news.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see anything like serial killer loose on the mall.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then after you get a woman as her

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<v Speaker 1>throat slashed United Airlines or an American flight attendant just

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<v Speaker 1>as a layover goes down there to shop gets her

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<v Speaker 1>throat slashed. You have multiple other people stabbed on the

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<v Speaker 1>mall within an hour, and at that point you don't

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<v Speaker 1>think you've got a serial killer loose, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>kills again last night. So want to know what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of warning was issued or was this like two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and nine, when the Democrat administration of hicken Looper, it knew,

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<v Speaker 1>it knew that it is the serial very vicious beatings

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<v Speaker 1>going on, It knew it was a gang initiative. Police

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<v Speaker 1>had done tremendous work to undercover that and did tremendous

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<v Speaker 1>work to bust up the ring eventually, but the political

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<v Speaker 1>powers that be that Democrat Hickenlooper administration, they hit it

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<v Speaker 1>from the public would have.

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<v Speaker 2>Been bad for Hick.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a good look for Hick nationally, right, and not

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<v Speaker 1>good for downtown business. So yeah, Hickenlooper administration just hit

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<v Speaker 1>it from the public. Was this another one of those?

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<v Speaker 1>So they've got.

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<v Speaker 2>Some explain I need to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But then the bigger issue, Hey, are you going to

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<v Speaker 1>go down to the mall? What do you think it's

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<v Speaker 1>ever going to take to make that mall usable again

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<v Speaker 1>in downtown Denver? Because I got to tell you, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter how many millions they spend new lighting fixtures, new plants,

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, people aren't going down there until you clean

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<v Speaker 1>up clean up the human mess. And I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>any particular human is a mess. Everybody's created by God.

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<v Speaker 1>But you got a bunch of people who are acting

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<v Speaker 1>like a mess and scaring people off that mall. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying earlier, I had the wife and kids.

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<v Speaker 1>We were down on that very spot not long ago,

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<v Speaker 1>going down to see the Nutcracker, and that night I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking, should we really be down here in a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but not again, not again that mall. That

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<v Speaker 1>mall has been unlivable since they legalize marijuana. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>no surprise there because it's going to be a magnet.

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<v Speaker 1>It became a magnet for homeless, but it can be

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<v Speaker 1>magnet for young homeless. And it became a magnet for crime,

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<v Speaker 1>attracting criminals like the planned Parenthood shooter down there, and

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<v Speaker 1>then causing criminal act Is that all expression? All that

681
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<v Speaker 1>guys acting like he's on drugs? It's it's there for

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<v Speaker 1>a reason that's as old as Fred Flintstone. Because when

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<v Speaker 1>people act on drugs are on drugs, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>them do crazy things, not all of them, but not

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<v Speaker 1>all of them have to do crazy things for it

686
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<v Speaker 1>to be crazy for a society to allow that eight

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<v Speaker 1>five five zero five eight two five five text d

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<v Speaker 1>A N five seven seven three nine What do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear asked in this press or that we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to duck into on the other side? First question

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hear asked is hey, mister mahyor but

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of warnings we're given to the public about

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<v Speaker 1>a serial killer.

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<v Speaker 2>Being loose on the mall?

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of warnings for given? And then what what

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<v Speaker 1>did you instruct police to do? We know the great

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<v Speaker 1>men and women of DPD, they would die to protect

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<v Speaker 1>you on the mall, But these decisions are made at

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<v Speaker 1>a political level because lawless Mike Johnston.

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<v Speaker 2>Has politicized the top of the department.

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<v Speaker 1>So so what was done in terms of public warnings,

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<v Speaker 1>what was done in terms of law enforcement? What's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be done going forward? Because you will there there

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<v Speaker 1>is no hope for that mall. There is no hope

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<v Speaker 1>for that mall until legal marijuana's overturned and or they

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<v Speaker 1>flood them all with law enforcement to make sure all.

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<v Speaker 2>The laws are enforced.

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<v Speaker 1>And Ryan, we're seeing these published reports right now that

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<v Speaker 1>this accused killer it was out on one hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>bond for a sex offense, like a sex offense this year,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was on the tail end of reportedly a

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<v Speaker 1>long criminal history, which comes back to I've got to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, my brother, why isn't there more reporting on this?

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<v Speaker 1>And I know you can find stories like on every outlet,

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<v Speaker 1>but why isn't this just the front page screaming twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four to seven story in Colorado? Well, guess what doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make the Denver DA's office lookro good, doesn't make any

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats in power in Colorado look real good. So of

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<v Speaker 1>course it's not going to get all the coverage that

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<v Speaker 1>it should. That's just the way it is here eight

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<v Speaker 1>five five four zero five eight two five five text

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<v Speaker 1>DA five seven seven three nine. On the other side,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll duck into that press conference. See how the Mirror

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<v Speaker 1>explains it.
