WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:06.879 Big Food and Beyond. 2 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:08.439 With Cliff and Bobo. 3 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:13.119 These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and raid. 4 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:16.120 It Live, Stock and. 5 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:25.320 Gratious Gone Yesterday and listening watching Lin always keep it's watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.600 And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay. 7 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:32.719 Hey, Bobo, how you doing today? 8 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:34.240 All right? How's going to your Cliff? 9 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:37.079 Things are pretty good, man. It's been an eventful week 10 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:40.159 in general. I've got some phone calls. I've got an 11 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:42.600 exciting report on Monday that was kind of cool. Somebody 12 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:46.039 saw one on a highway twenty six, right up past 13 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:48.280 rhododendron at five o'clock in the morning on his way 14 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:49.880 to work. So I went out and looked around a 15 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:53.200 little bit, cast something. Not so sure it's a print, 16 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:55.359 might be erosion, but you know me, I cast everything 17 00:00:55.439 --> 00:00:57.359 and figured try to figure it out later, I guess, 18 00:00:57.439 --> 00:00:59.079 you know. But yeah, it's been a great week. 19 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:01.159 Cool, Yeah, I mean this is prime time. This is 20 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:03.000 one of the most reports of the year coming right now. 21 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:06.000 Sure seems like it, doesn't it. October seems to be 22 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:06.439 the month. 23 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:09.879 It's definitely October when it comes to squatching. 24 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:16.359 Right, Squatch tober. Yeah, so, Bobo, who do you have 25 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:18.840 for us today? Actually I know, but I just want 26 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:19.480 to be coy. 27 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:22.000 Who do you have? I couldn't be more excited. 28 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:27.959 We got the esteemed John E. L. Tenny, who famous 29 00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:32.439 paranormal researcher and a lot of people say debunker. He's 30 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:35.840 an author, he formerly ran for MAYORVA City. He's a 31 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:39.799 well rounded guy and so welcome to John E. L. Tenny. 32 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:44.000 John, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, So excited to have you on. Well, 33 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.480 it's my pleasure to be here. I'm excited to get weird. 34 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:46.879 With the two of you. 35 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:49.159 That's the thing. 36 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:52.719 You are, by far one of the most unusual people 37 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:56.560 I've ever met, and you're extraordinarily intelligent and well spoken. 38 00:01:56.719 --> 00:01:58.959 I know a lot of weirdos and stuff, but some 39 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:01.760 people are just so weird in such a way that 40 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:03.799 I don't want to hang out with them. But you're 41 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:07.719 just not one of those people. You're delightfully eccentric and 42 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:10.960 I just love that about you. And well dressed and 43 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:14.120 well dressed. Yeah, so I got three can sit on 44 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:16.120 right now that you know. 45 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:19.520 What's really funny is that started pretty much back in 46 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:21.599 when I was in a punk rock band back in 47 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:24.639 the days in the eighties, a friend of mine who 48 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:27.280 had this super tall mohawk and a leather jacket, and 49 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:29.000 I cut my hair in a mohawk and showed up 50 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:30.960 with a leather jacket, and he said, what are you doing? 51 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:33.039 He's like, I thought you wanted to be yourself. You 52 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:34.439 look like everyone else that's here. 53 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:36.840 And the next show that I went to, I bought 54 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:38.680 a three piece suit and worked at the punk show, 55 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:40.879 and everybody started calling me the weirdo in the three 56 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:41.400 piece suit. 57 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:43.479 But I look different from everybody. 58 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:47.919 Right, you still do you stand out? Not everybody who's 59 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:50.520 interested in unusual things dresses to the tea. 60 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:51.599 Yeah. 61 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:53.599 T shirts and jeans pretty much seem to be the 62 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:54.680 standard these days. 63 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:57.639 Yeah, yeah, well you're up in the game for everybody. 64 00:02:58.039 --> 00:02:59.639 Yeah, there's another aspect to it. 65 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:02.800 When I used to go into lectures and conferences back 66 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:05.439 in the eighties and nineties, like whether or not it's 67 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:09.280 just a subconscious thing that happens with us with authority figures. 68 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:11.879 But I always took the guys who were talking about 69 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:14.560 everybody was talking about insane, crazy stuff, but the guys 70 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:17.199 that were wearing ties, I was like, oh, maybe maybe 71 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:18.280 he knows something more. 72 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:19.560 He looks like an adult. 73 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:24.159 That's a documented that's a documented phenomenon. Actually, I believe it. 74 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:26.879 I mean, I really do think that it makes a 75 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:30.120 difference when someone is kind of put together, and even 76 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:32.719 if they're telling you about UFO's and Bigfoot or ghosts, 77 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:36.080 like your brain sees that as some kind of authority 78 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:37.319 figure or. 79 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:39.120 A doctor's coat, white lab coat. 80 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:42.599 Yeah, yeah, I would normally say a mask, but you 81 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:43.840 know that's not the case nowadays. 82 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:44.560 It's a different thing. 83 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:48.759 So I got to say, the last time I was 84 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:51.719 talking to you, John, are you ready to admit now 85 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.120 that you were wrong and I was right that Bob 86 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:55.639 Lazar is the real deal? 87 00:03:56.840 --> 00:04:03.000 No, No, I still don't believe Bob's story. 88 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:06.599 Well, who's the Problemazarre, Bring me into this. Who's this guy, 89 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:07.759 the UFO. 90 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:10.680 Guy from Area fifty one that came public in Oh yeah, 91 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:13.319 that guy Element fifteen and all that. 92 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:16.000 He claims to have worked there and seen everything and 93 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:19.639 all that other stuff. That guy, right, Yeah, Okay, so 94 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:21.319 that's not the real deal, John, in your opinion. 95 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:24.879 You know, Bob's story first came around in the late eighties, 96 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:29.000 and by the nineties people had their doubts, because when 97 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:32.160 you say that you've been to colleges and worked at places, 98 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:36.399 there should be some kind something, some kind of paper 99 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:39.680 record trail of you being there. And by the mid nineties, 100 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:42.040 no one could find any of it, and his story 101 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:44.439 kind of got brushed under the carpet as made up. 102 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:48.439 And then, for whatever reason, his story came back around 103 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:50.600 a couple of years ago and they made a documentary 104 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:54.000 about him, And like you, there's still no evidence that 105 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:56.079 he ever worked at the places he says he worked, 106 00:04:56.120 --> 00:04:58.000 or even went to school at the places he went 107 00:04:58.040 --> 00:04:58.480 to school. 108 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:01.240 I bet that feeds his narrative, though, doesn't it Like 109 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:03.439 he's kind of twisted it and maybe he did work there. 110 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:03.759 Who knows. 111 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:05.399 I don't know anything about this guy, but I know that, 112 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:07.639 at least in the bigfoot world, like when you ask 113 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:11.360 for evidence about a certain thing, particularly the strange things, 114 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:15.079 the person usually comes back no, there's they got rid 115 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:17.439 of it, or the government brushed it under the rug, 116 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:19.399 or that's what they want you to think or know. 117 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:22.360 They scrub the website, or there's some sort of a 118 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:26.959 more even more fantastical paranoid thing behind it that feeds 119 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:28.120 that person's narrative. 120 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:30.480 Yeah, but with Bob. But with Bob though, I mean 121 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:32.920 they did. He's a bunch of stuff he said back then, 122 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:34.319 it's now bored out to be true. 123 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:37.759 Yeah, But like I think, you know, if you look 124 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:40.279 at science fiction writers, a lot of the stuff that 125 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:43.199 they wrote bore out to be true too. Like if 126 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:46.160 you if you guess enough and you say enough stuff, 127 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:48.040 and you talk for a long and a period of time, 128 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:50.120 some of what you say is probably going to end 129 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:52.040 up being true, thank God. 130 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:53.519 But he knew about the. 131 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.680 Hand the way the hand sensor worked and element one 132 00:05:56.680 --> 00:06:00.680 point fifteen and his description of how they've and all 133 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:02.680 that kind of stuff. How does he guess that? 134 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:05.639 But I mean, like even the hand sensor thing like 135 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:08.120 people have now discovered, Like there was an episode of 136 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:10.439 Outer Limits that shows a hand sensor, and there was 137 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:13.439 a science fiction movie out of England that showed in 138 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:15.639 the United States that showed a hand censor, like back 139 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.240 in the sixties and seventies. And so I mean, you're 140 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:22.720 just kind of thinking forward. And like I said, if 141 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:25.199 you say enough stuff. The thing that really cracks me up, 142 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:28.240 because you're right, Cliff, Like a lot of people, especially 143 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:30.399 in the UFO community, will say, well, my record's been 144 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:33.639 scrubbed by the government if I of course they're they're 145 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:37.000 going to erase my trail and my history. But the 146 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:40.079 thing is a lot of the times, the majority of 147 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:43.360 the time in my life, I've found it's even people 148 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:47.519 working against you make mistakes. They're just people, and something 149 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:51.360 ends up slipping through the cracks. Like there should be 150 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:55.120 a yearbook somewhere with his picture in it, you know, 151 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:58.600 saying that he wanted to go to MIT, like he 152 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:02.079 said he went to MIT. And the only evidence that 153 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:04.759 anyone can find of that is like he intended like 154 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:08.040 an extra course that anybody could join in, like a 155 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:10.639 like a four week course on physics at MIT that 156 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:11.879 anybody can just join to. 157 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:14.000 And that's not graduating from MIT. 158 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:17.360 We found that paperwork, but then all of his doctoral 159 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:19.319 paperwork just seems to have vanished. 160 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:21.199 Well, you know, I think that we're getting ahead of 161 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:22.839 ourselves a little bit. 162 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:23.639 Let's do this. 163 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:26.240 There may be a couple of people listening who don't 164 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:29.040 know who you are on like for example, like I 165 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:31.680 didn't know you're on a television show until years after 166 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:34.519 I met you. I just you're just some cool guy 167 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:36.560 I like to talk to. You know that we see 168 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:39.560 at these conferences and whatnot and etc. So bring us 169 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:41.439 all the way back and tell us how you got 170 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:44.240 so darned weird. To begin with, he's not weird. 171 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:46.160 I say that in a be loving way. 172 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:48.560 By the way, yeah, I mean I talk about that 173 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:50.879 at my lectures too, Like the first time I was 174 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:53.519 called weird were by some kids that were probably punching 175 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:57.519 me in a stomach, you know. And I really love words, 176 00:07:57.639 --> 00:07:59.720 so really quickly before I give you my brief history, 177 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:01.720 like when I talk when I call people weirdos and 178 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:04.519 when I say people are weird. The etymology of the 179 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:07.560 word weird comes from the fourteenth century. For its w 180 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:11.360 y r d was the original word, and it literally 181 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:14.160 meant the people who lived on the outskirts of town 182 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:16.879 that didn't follow the rules of the kings and the queens. 183 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:22.519 It translates into those who manifest their own destiny. So 184 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:25.120 when I call someone a weirdo, I'm saying, like, you 185 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:28.639 think for yourself, and you don't necessarily. 186 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:31.319 Follow the rules. So I does it Does it share 187 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:34.679 a root with the word wild? By any chance? It does? 188 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:37.720 Actually, yeah, yeah, I can see that. That's very interesting. Okay, 189 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:40.519 you know, speaking of the weirdos that band review or 190 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:43.840 the weirdos of the band. Yeah, they had a great 191 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:47.440 squatch setting down in San Mateo County below San Francisco, 192 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:50.159 come Highway won They've had a gig at Santa Cruz 193 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:53.200 at the Catalyst the night before. Then they had a 194 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:58.000 Friday morning morning radio Zoo cruise show or some kind 195 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:00.360 of thing like that. They had to appear in play 196 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:02.840 live at like nine thirty am up in San Francisco. 197 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:05.679 So they left at the butt crack of dawn. Sanmaca's 198 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:09.039 driving Northland the Highway one, and a big female bigfoot 199 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:11.879 walked out into the Highway one. Hell, there had a 200 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.200 like stop like halt, like a cop wood or a 201 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:18.559 traffic you know, crossing guard then waved in. Then three 202 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:23.639 from like teenage size to like kindergarten size, three little 203 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:26.480 hairy squatches came out single file and trotted across the 204 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:28.399 road and they walked off into the tree line. 205 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.559 Yeah, well, my goodness, Well you know, I'm going to 206 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:36.720 continue hurting these cats around a little bit. So weird 207 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:40.120 means somebody who's living on the fringes of society, then, 208 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:41.480 is essentially what you were saying. 209 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:45.159 Yeah, absolutely, and I'm not one of those people that 210 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:48.279 you know, there's a lot of people in paranormal cryptozoology 211 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:50.960 that have stories about when they were little and something 212 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:53.240 strange happened to them. I'm not one of those kids. 213 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:57.720 I legitimately was just a nerdy kid growing up in 214 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:01.279 the kind of lower middle class suburb of Detroit, and 215 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:04.440 I didn't like people telling me what I could and 216 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:06.639 couldn't think about. I think that's part of why I 217 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:08.879 joined a punk rock band and stuff. I just didn't 218 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:11.480 want people telling me what I could think about. And 219 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:15.240 I ended up making friends with people who were witches 220 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:21.399 and psychics and UFO researchers and conspiracy theorists, and by 221 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:24.480 the time I was eighteen, I was giving lectures on 222 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:28.159 things like political assassinations of the nineteen sixties or seventies 223 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:34.039 and UFOs and Michigan has a long history of strange cryptids, 224 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:37.440 so that fascinated me too. And when I was in 225 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:39.639 my second year of college, I thought I was just 226 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:42.919 going to be a history teacher with a major in folklore. 227 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:45.000 A friend of mine called me and asked me if 228 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:48.159 I wanted to research for the show Unsolved Mysteries. So 229 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:51.279 I quit college and that was my first foray in 230 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:54.000 television and kind of never really looked back. I mean, 231 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:56.600 I held a lot of normal, everyday jobs, but I 232 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:59.799 was always supplementing it by driving around the country, going 233 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:02.279 to libraries and talking to people about weird stuff, or 234 00:11:02.360 --> 00:11:05.480 working on television shows in the nineties like Sightings or 235 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:09.759 very scary stories on Fox. And when paranormal shows popped 236 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:13.200 up in the mid two thousands, like all of a sudden, 237 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:17.279 here's me. It's still relatively young, with you know, twelve 238 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:19.600 to fifteen years of research under my belt. So I 239 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:22.120 got tapped by a lot of those shows to find 240 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:23.120 them cases. 241 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:23.559 And work with them. 242 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:26.320 Yeah, a lot of the cutting edge paranormal or bigfoot 243 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:29.000 or what you know, whatever word you want to put 244 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:33.840 their research is frankly nowadays done by production crews. I mean, 245 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:35.919 Lauren Coleman's kind of put that out there in the world, 246 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:38.200 and he's kind of put that thesis there that it's 247 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:41.039 no longer benefactors and whatnot, you know, from you know, 248 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:44.000 Tom Slick sort of folks in the nineteen fifties. Nowadays 249 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:46.879 it's production companies, which is good and bad. I mean 250 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:49.159 it's good because there's a lot of money there. Of course, 251 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:50.960 be thrown around, and these people are under the gun 252 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:52.799 and they get some stuff done. And also they're so 253 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:55.720 gutsy and have no scruples because and they'll just call 254 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:58.320 whoever they don't care and just get to the bottom 255 00:11:58.320 --> 00:11:58.639 of things. 256 00:11:58.720 --> 00:11:58.840 Man. 257 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:01.480 It's also bad because it's television and the vast majority 258 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:03.960 of things on TV end up being nonsense or you know, 259 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:07.960 sensationalized at least. So, yeah, you were one of those 260 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:10.879 guys back in the day with those early paranormal's sightings. Huh. 261 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:12.960 That was the Henry Winkler Show, wasn't it. 262 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:15.200 Yeah, there was. He did a few episodes. 263 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:18.000 I think they eventually switched away from him and just 264 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:21.559 kind of did a voice over host because you know, 265 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:25.679 just for money purposes. But yeah, there's a I'm sure 266 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:28.039 if people dig through somewhere on eBay, a lot of 267 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:32.799 those old weird UFO, Bigfoot and ghost VHS tapes that 268 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:36.039 no one wants anymore. If you watch the very end credits, 269 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:39.240 you'll probably see my name in there somewhere as a researcher. 270 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:43.320 Cliff on the story about the flair video of the 271 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:44.480 big Foot from the helicopter. 272 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:49.879 Oh yeah, that what show was? That first unsolved mysteries, 273 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:51.200 Unsolved mysteries. Yeah. 274 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:55.919 Fleer contacted Finding Bigfoot at one time, saying they were 275 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:59.519 clearing out some closets and they found a VHS tape 276 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:01.799 that all it had was were Bigfoot on it, and 277 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:04.279 so they put it in and they're for all you know, 278 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:07.960 it seemed to be a Sasquatch on flear walking, maybe 279 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:10.840 like a helicopter footage or something like that. It's like, well, 280 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:12.440 what in the world is this? And they sent it 281 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:15.519 to our producers and they sent it to me or 282 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:17.960 me and I'd never seen it before, as I don't 283 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:19.240 know what that is, and they said, well, let's do 284 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:21.720 an episode. Yeah, I mean it looks good. Let's do 285 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:25.279 it and find out it looked really good, right, And 286 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:28.399 then I have We were filming in Maine at the time, 287 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:32.639 and I was visiting with Lauren Coleman at his museum 288 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:34.840 and I said, yeah, Lauren, we're going to be filming 289 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:36.559 this thing in a couple of weeks. And I showed 290 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:38.399 him the footage and he looks at it and he goes, 291 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:42.080 that looks familiar, and I go, really, oh, he goes, 292 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:43.759 let me think about that, And then like later he 293 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:46.759 sent me an email or called me or something, and 294 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.639 he recognized the footage from one of those old nineties documentaries, 295 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:53.799 the one where Peter Burne was in it. And they 296 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:55.960 filmed over around the east side of Mountain Hood and 297 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:58.440 he was talking about how he has a helicopter at 298 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:00.639 his beck and call at twenty four were seven and 299 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:03.399 thermal imagers and all this stuff, and like ninety four 300 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:05.399 and they got they put some dude in a suit 301 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:07.679 and they follow him around in a helico. That's what 302 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:09.679 we're That's the footage we were watching. But I had 303 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:12.679 not seen that episode, so I didn't resonate anything with me. 304 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:15.799 And then I said, oh my god, so we got 305 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:17.639 to get ahead of this. We almost hit an episode 306 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:22.159 on it. So I called the producers and said, stop everything, 307 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:25.320 check this out. And they said, oh my gosh. So 308 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:28.320 I will forever Oh Lauren for that. I think we 309 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.080 all will forever. Oh Lauren for that one was talking 310 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:32.720 about have an egg on your face from some of 311 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:33.840 the old research stuff. 312 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:36.840 Excited. Oh it was three. Yeah. 313 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:39.039 I think that was the one that eventually turned into 314 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.919 the Oregon versus Washington one. Maybe I can't remember which 315 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:43.559 one was one of these ones that we filmed so 316 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:48.720 stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. 317 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:56.600 We'll be right back after these messages. But were you 318 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:02.360 starting to notice a thinning hair? 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Anyway, Yeah, 351 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:45.480 so to talk about that old research in the nineteen 352 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.200 ninety stuff, some interesting things have fallen through. 353 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:51.440 The c OH I would I would, I mean, I 354 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:54.600 wouldn't be shocked if they're I mean, there's I know, 355 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:57.879 at least for unsolved mysteries, like with the production of 356 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:01.559 any show, right, Like there are literally sometimes hundreds of 357 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:05.240 hours of stuff that never gets used and shown. And 358 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:09.359 I have to believe in my little heart with some 359 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:13.920 hope of hopes that there are still you know, a 360 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:17.079 quarter inch and three quarter inch tape and videotape somewhere 361 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:20.599 that has all of the interviews, like the extended interviews 362 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:22.359 that we did with people, a lot of the b 363 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:24.799 rule that we did because a lot, like you said, 364 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:26.200 a lot of that stuff doesn't make the cut just 365 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:30.640 because it's not hyperbolic, but it's still information, and I 366 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:31.960 hope that doesn't get lost. 367 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:32.799 It will. 368 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:35.119 I hope the stuff that I set off, you know, 369 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:36.400 didn't make the cut gets lost. 370 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:42.839 I've be canceled in jail. 371 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:48.359 Well, that stuff for sure exists too. 372 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:51.559 But I mean, you know, filming paranormal shows, a lot 373 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:53.680 of the time, something strange will happen if you're in 374 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:57.920 an allegedly haunted location, and for whatever reason, like the 375 00:17:58.039 --> 00:18:01.359 narrative just it doesn't fit all with you know, being 376 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:04.160 able to craft a story that fits in forty four minutes, 377 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:06.759 and so that stuff just never sees the light of day, 378 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:08.599 and that kind of bums me out sometimes. 379 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:12.440 Oh yeah, so tell me about the or tell us 380 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:16.240 I guess about the show you hosted. I've never seen 381 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:18.119 this show, and I want to learn more about it. 382 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:19.400 I definitely want to watch it episode. 383 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:24.079 How many people did? Yeah, not many people did the 384 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:28.240 show ghost Talkers. Yeah, so it was just it was 385 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:31.720 it was a paranormal show. But I don't, you know, 386 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:35.279 I have tend to working with networks and producers since 387 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:37.640 the nineties. I tend to not work well with them, 388 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:41.839 and I'm sometimes problematic with what I want and what 389 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:44.480 I kind of demand if I'm going to be filming something. 390 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.359 And so when I pitched this show to them, where 391 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:49.720 it's going to be me, someone who's done this for 392 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:52.079 a long time, and someone who's never done this before, 393 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:56.319 investigating haunted locations, and I'll go in for one whole 394 00:18:56.440 --> 00:18:58.640 night by myself, and then the next night the other 395 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:01.240 person will go in and we can kind of show 396 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:04.440 the difference between a seasoned investigator and someone who has 397 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:07.799 no real frame of reference for it. Like they liked 398 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:11.000 that idea, but like the first thing right off the 399 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:13.519 bat was, I told them, you know, I'm if I'm 400 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:15.480 going to be in there all night long, I don't 401 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:17.799