Speaker 1: Yo, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Everybody?
Speaker 3: Welcome to a new episode of My Cannon Cast. I'm
Speaker 3: Canadave and I'm groovy. On today's episode, we have special
Speaker 3: guests uh CEO and formulator Dirk Peterson of Lost Coast
Speaker 3: Plant Therapy. Thank you for showing us today, Derek, all
Speaker 3: the way out from Calia, I believe right now of.
Speaker 2: Course, of course, thank you.
Speaker 4: Looking forward to this and honestly, we we've discussed having
Speaker 4: this interview me in Canadave for a while because Canadave
Speaker 4: has used this product before, so we are really excited
Speaker 4: to have you.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to dive into this. We met you over
Speaker 3: at m j Biscon last year and we kicked it
Speaker 3: off and we had a great, great conversation to blast
Speaker 3: and we were able to set this up.
Speaker 5: So thank you for joining us today.
Speaker 3: Derek.
Speaker 5: How are you doing today? How's it out there in Cali?
Speaker 2: It's beautiful, beautiful sunny weather here. We've had some rain
Speaker 2: in the last few weeks and months quite a bit,
Speaker 2: so it's nice. It's beautiful and sunny. About six foot
Speaker 2: waves out in the ocean right now, but it's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's very pretty like that.
Speaker 5: I love hearing that I love hearing that.
Speaker 3: So do you do you yourself consume cannabis or how
Speaker 3: long have you been all my industry before you got
Speaker 3: into the Yeah, coast.
Speaker 2: I've been smoking since nineteen sixty eight when I unfourtunen,
Speaker 2: when I was only fourteen years old, but you know
Speaker 2: it was minor back then. I didn't do a lot.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think it was ninety six that we
Speaker 2: we started growing weed commercially legally for medical you know,
Speaker 2: for all the dispensaries down in LA And that's when
Speaker 2: we got you know, fairly large, and did that for
Speaker 2: a while, and like I said, in twenty seventeen, when
Speaker 2: we decided to sell the product, it just took off.
Speaker 2: So we were kind of surprised. I'd had the product
Speaker 2: for about six years prior, it just didn't sell it.
Speaker 3: How did you did you you had You're sorry to
Speaker 3: mean to cut you up, but you said you had
Speaker 3: you had like six years prior. Right, What how did
Speaker 3: you start crafting this formula and well using it? Was
Speaker 3: it because you battled all these pests consistently in Cali
Speaker 3: like a lot of outdoor grows. It happened, I mean
Speaker 3: out here in Michigan we got a lot of pottery
Speaker 3: mildew and like aphids.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, outdoors. So I mean he's got to be
Speaker 5: trial and ara.
Speaker 3: But like, how did you how did you come to
Speaker 3: get the concoction that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so back in twenty let's see two thousand, Rather,
Speaker 2: we moved from Garbagele area southern humbled up to here,
Speaker 2: which is about fifty sixty miles north, and we moved
Speaker 2: from the interior one hundred and ten degrees to the coast.
Speaker 2: We're about a mile and a half two miles from
Speaker 2: the coast, and it's pretty much a temperate rainforest here,
Speaker 2: so it's sixty five degrees pretty much all year long.
Speaker 2: They are cold times and just a little bit warmer,
Speaker 2: but that's mainly the medium temperature. And I developed powdery
Speaker 2: mildew and I hadn't had that before, so I was
Speaker 2: like interesting. So for years I probably used four or
Speaker 2: five different organic products in rotation and nothing was working
Speaker 2: that well. I wasn't that satisfied with it. Many products
Speaker 2: out there, I'm not going to name anything, but many
Speaker 2: products out there were changing the torpenal properties of the cannabis.
Speaker 2: So the change and taste was pretty prominent. I had
Speaker 2: some specific strains too, and I could tell the difference
Speaker 2: in that wasn't happy with that. So after a while,
Speaker 2: I just just said, you know, I've got let's try something.
Speaker 2: So my wife and I, who she's also the core
Speaker 2: co formulator founder of the company. You know, I would
Speaker 2: do something and I'd feed off of her, So she
Speaker 2: was just as important as this whole process as anything else.
Speaker 2: And it took about eighteen months, two years. I killed
Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds of plants, cannabis because I don't you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't know what I was doing, and you know,
Speaker 2: it took that long. Yeah, it took that long to
Speaker 2: formulate it, yep. And then it worked and we were
Speaker 2: so happy because we finally had something that was clean,
Speaker 2: that you don't need to wear any protective clothing for
Speaker 2: and that actually worked. So the f rate of our
Speaker 2: product is ninety five percent, you know, it is not
Speaker 2: a one hundred percent product like most products out there,
Speaker 2: and just to have that at that rate was enough
Speaker 2: to just you know, we were finally we could go
Speaker 2: to sleep at night and not worry about the plants.
Speaker 2: And that was indoor, greenhouse outside, all the same at
Speaker 2: the same time, and so developing at was a big
Speaker 2: boon for us. We were making maybe two or three
Speaker 2: gallons a week for us and maybe one or two
Speaker 2: close neighbors, and then a few weeks later we started
Speaker 2: making more. At about three months later, we were making
Speaker 2: thirty or forty gallons a week. And I was making
Speaker 2: in one of our our horse buckets. You know, I
Speaker 2: bought it clean one for it. I didn't let the
Speaker 2: horses drink or eat out of it, and I was
Speaker 2: mixing it in that for a while. And you know,
Speaker 2: we didn't have any bottling or anything, so I would
Speaker 2: buy these matt organic mate lemonade, you know, thirty two
Speaker 2: ounces from the health food store, and I would use
Speaker 2: the empties of that for our product. So that was
Speaker 2: kind of funny because people still come up to me
Speaker 2: and they go, remember these And that's how I originally
Speaker 2: sold it. And then we started, you know, buying small
Speaker 2: quantities of gallons and things like that, and then and
Speaker 2: then started selling it, because in the beginning, we didn't
Speaker 2: sell it. We just gave it out for quite a while,
Speaker 2: and just because I would, I would make a certain
Speaker 2: amount and I had more than I needed, and you know,
Speaker 2: that's pretty much how it started. But yeah, it was
Speaker 2: just a pleasure to be able to spray and anything.
Speaker 6: You knew you were doing some good and giving something
Speaker 6: like that worked.
Speaker 5: You know, you're out, you're helping out growing all around you.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I guess so, I mean, I guess so. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it it was definitely a trial in there. And the
Speaker 2: chemist and the botanist that I refer to now they
Speaker 2: kind of laughed because you know the way that I
Speaker 2: went about it. You know, I did it a lot
Speaker 2: longer than I needed to. But I'm not a chemist
Speaker 2: and a botanist, you know, I'm a grower. And also
Speaker 2: I'm a rock sculptor. That's how I made my money,
Speaker 2: also sculpting, you know, abstract rock and yeah, and I
Speaker 2: still do that a little bit, but mainly it's the
Speaker 2: company that's taking all the time, which we love. I mean, Debbie,
Speaker 2: my wife is seventy three. I'm seventy, and we want
Speaker 2: to do this for years to come. But the three
Speaker 2: of my adult children in the back, one Blood who
Speaker 2: was Chloeing, my two step children, Brion Heather, and they're
Speaker 2: running the company globally. So it's a really nice lean
Speaker 2: set up. We built warehouses here on the ranch. We
Speaker 2: had state of the art greenhouses here and we did
Speaker 2: one season of those before the product took off, so
Speaker 2: I wasn't able to grow in them very long. They
Speaker 2: were very expensive, you know, automatic deprivator. There were probably
Speaker 2: fifty year houses. They were quite quite well built agritech
Speaker 2: and I have two small ones twenty four by thirty
Speaker 2: six that I kept, but now we just have fruit
Speaker 2: trees in them and flowers and I do experiments in
Speaker 2: them occasionally. But let's see where was it going for that?
Speaker 6: I think can get close to home though, I know
Speaker 6: you're talking about.
Speaker 4: First off, you were talking about we just don't want
Speaker 4: to shout out, you know, a shout out to you,
Speaker 4: your wife and your family, because that sounds like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, the home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry brother, Thank you to you guys. I really
Speaker 2: appreciate it. I'm like your old grandfather, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of remind me of what I'm doing. And I haven't
Speaker 2: even smoked yet today. I may do it during the podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so the family doing it. Debbie and I are just
Speaker 2: you know, we we have people now working with us
Speaker 2: and they do a lot of the work now, so
Speaker 2: we have more free time just to do the business.
Speaker 2: And we're probably going to do this for years and years,
Speaker 2: just because we love doing it. So I open up
Speaker 2: states and countries and talk to the people that are
Speaker 2: responsible agricultural commissioners or whoever. So I'm having a ball
Speaker 2: doing this. That's all. We're in forty five states. We're
Speaker 2: in forty five states and five continents. The states that
Speaker 2: we're not in, yeah, the states that were not in,
Speaker 2: uh were requiring too much of a label change, which
Speaker 2: we did. We did so many iterations of our labels
Speaker 2: for Canada, it was like half a dozen. That's what
Speaker 2: took so long. And in Canada we're called Lost Coast
Speaker 2: Plant Protector. We're not Lost Coast Plant Therapy. They wouldn't
Speaker 2: let us use the word therapy. We had to change
Speaker 2: quite a few things on it, which I wasn't happy about,
Speaker 2: but we have thousands of growers up there that want
Speaker 2: the products, so we complied with that. But the last
Speaker 2: vestiges of people holding out are they were New Mexico, Washington,
Speaker 2: and Wisconsin. And they took a few years and I
Speaker 2: just told him, you know, f off because they're not
Speaker 2: going to change. But they can't.
Speaker 5: Oh they did, okay, go.
Speaker 2: They did finally came through yeah, and I was born
Speaker 2: in New Mexico, so I was really pissed at New
Speaker 2: Mexico didn't do it. And I got a call from
Speaker 2: the Agricultural Commissioner and he's going, what's going on, And
Speaker 2: I go, well, this is what's happening. We're not going
Speaker 2: to change the label because the parameters they're just too much.
Speaker 2: You guys are requesting too much. And so a few
Speaker 2: weeks later, boom we were in. So we're that's the
Speaker 2: reason we're not in all the states. I think in
Speaker 2: Maine and I can't remember the other ones. Debbie is
Speaker 2: responsible for doing that. She's the CFO, my wife of
Speaker 2: the company. And there's two or three states, four or
Speaker 2: five states something like that that are just requiring too much,
Speaker 2: and they'll just they'll come along, they'll come along.
Speaker 6: Every state. Every state is a different compliance, so it's
Speaker 6: a state things.
Speaker 2: Not pretty much. There's handfuls that are very similar that
Speaker 2: we didn't have to do anything with, and there were
Speaker 2: minor adjustments with others, but pretty much all in all,
Speaker 2: because we're twenty five be exempt, which is a designation
Speaker 2: for the government that says we're so clean that we
Speaker 2: don't even need to register and.
Speaker 5: I want to tie into that.
Speaker 3: That's the reason why I fell in love with your
Speaker 3: product is that it's like one hundred percent of pretty
Speaker 3: much organic. Like it's super clean and a grower myself,
Speaker 3: like being a homegrower, like with all the states going legally,
Speaker 3: you're able to cultivate a couple of plants, and this
Speaker 3: is like a perfect product if you grow organically and
Speaker 3: you want to be able to still do i PM management.
Speaker 3: You want to be able to have some type of
Speaker 3: spray that doesn't harm your plan or doesn't affect the flavor,
Speaker 3: like you were saying the terms, and that's what she
Speaker 3: drew me to it. I think it's amazing. That's one
Speaker 3: hundred percent organically. I remember we were talking to m
Speaker 3: J Biscown. You're telling us I want to dive into
Speaker 3: this a little bit. Uh, Growers, like not cannabis growers,
Speaker 3: but like vegetable growers are actually spraying their crops with
Speaker 3: this product and then a couple of years of a
Speaker 3: be able to turn an organic I believe, right.
Speaker 5: Is that something we were discussing.
Speaker 2: We are we are getting into conventional growers and organic growers,
Speaker 2: and we just got into one of the larger vegetable
Speaker 2: uh and lettuce producers in the United States, Heritage Farms,
Speaker 2: and we were so happy and they we did a
Speaker 2: side by side with them, and I think somebody there
Speaker 2: was saying, what is this hippie juice? You know, because
Speaker 2: typically a lot of a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: big grows are pretty conservative people and they just, you know,
Speaker 2: they're not open to a lot of different things. And
Speaker 2: so only reason we got in was from a mutual
Speaker 2: friend of ours who was in the industry. And once
Speaker 2: we did it was we just couldn't believe it. And
Speaker 2: we didn't actively seek out food producers or flour producers.
Speaker 2: It just came like our way of organically raising the
Speaker 2: money ourselves with the family and our advertising. And now
Speaker 2: we have specially flour producers around the world calling us
Speaker 2: and using the product and very expensive plants. Some of
Speaker 2: the album monsterra is a very rare plant, very expensive,
Speaker 2: hundreds of dollars for a small plant. We're springing on
Speaker 2: that on exotics, on orchids, and for years people around
Speaker 2: here and Humbled have been using it on their vegetables,
Speaker 2: their strawberries. There are a few vintners that are using
Speaker 2: it for their vines for wine, and this is going
Speaker 2: to you know, dwarf cannabis because you know, there's only
Speaker 2: a couple hundred million people I think that consume cannabis
Speaker 2: in the world. That could be low or high. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure, but you know, all seven point whatever billion
Speaker 2: of us eat. So that's going to be a really
Speaker 2: big deal getting into the food industry, especially when they
Speaker 2: know that, you know, there's no protective clothing needed. You know,
Speaker 2: so a lot of these people out in the fields
Speaker 2: don't have to dress up in these hazmat suits to
Speaker 2: spare a prouct. They still don't know how clean it is.
Speaker 2: I have to actually go out there and educate them
Speaker 2: on that. And like in Vietnam when we were there,
Speaker 2: right when we were in Vietnam, they couldn't get the organics.
Speaker 2: The interpreters couldn't get the organic thing. So I sprayed
Speaker 2: it in my mouth and my eyes wide open, and
Speaker 2: then I drank drank two ounces. I tell everybody that,
Speaker 2: and so you know, they were a little stounded, stepping back.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, what is this crazy American? But
Speaker 2: they finally got it that that's how clean it really is.
Speaker 2: Because all of our products, everything in there, the wrong
Speaker 2: ingredients goes in a human being, are on top of
Speaker 2: a human being. Everything, even the isopropyl alcohol we get
Speaker 2: we it's we found out some of the same alcohol
Speaker 2: that that Whole Foods use is in their baby shampoos
Speaker 2: and things like that. So our surfactant is a specialized factant.
Speaker 2: The alcohol, you know, that all goes, the rubbing alcohol
Speaker 2: GOLs on top of you. The surfactant goes in toothpaste
Speaker 2: and things like that. So essentially everything we have in
Speaker 2: there is a food grade product. You know, the the
Speaker 2: soybean oil, the citric acid, the soy you know, the
Speaker 2: the essential peppermint oil, all of it, you know, very organic.
Speaker 2: We went through quite a few different country companies to
Speaker 2: get what we needed because we were testing to make
Speaker 2: sure there were no heavy metals or anything else, and
Speaker 2: some organic companies actually fail that, so we had to
Speaker 2: especially going into the parts per billion testing when we
Speaker 2: went from PPMS to ppbs. Here in California, there are
Speaker 2: a lot of companies that were starting to fail. We've
Speaker 2: even been told by more than a few different extract
Speaker 2: companies are testing companies that some of the farms that
Speaker 2: have just gone to using our product, they've seen an
Speaker 2: increase in cannabinoid and herpene numbers. And I tell them,
Speaker 2: I go, nothing in our product does that. They've just
Speaker 2: had an underlying problem.
Speaker 4: It could have been the problem, the damage from the
Speaker 4: other process that now because your product isn't damaging now,
Speaker 4: it's allowing it to become more fruitful.
Speaker 2: More fruitful exactly. And our product is a standalone product.
Speaker 2: I've had some growers. They're using it for now thirteen years,
Speaker 2: nothing else. And it works great in IPM systems. That's
Speaker 2: the cool thing. It works because it's hard to change
Speaker 2: your IPM even if you're thinking that it works really well.
Speaker 2: And when people are still experiencing problems and they're using
Speaker 2: three or four things in their IPM, I just tell
Speaker 2: them to go to one quadrant, whether you're forty acres
Speaker 2: or whether you're you know, five plants, and just go
Speaker 2: to one small corner. Just use our product for two
Speaker 2: or three weeks, and use your IPM system, including ours,
Speaker 2: on another and they'll see the difference with their own eyes,
Speaker 2: because it's hard for people just to go to a
Speaker 2: single product. And that's, by the way, that's what the
Speaker 2: Heritage did. They did a side by side. They saw
Speaker 2: what our product did on a some long ass rows
Speaker 2: of lettuce right next to what their IPM was, and
Speaker 2: the photos were astoundingly different. We were like, wow, so
Speaker 2: just recently they just cut off. They don't use any
Speaker 2: more inputs. They just used lost cost plant plant there,
Speaker 2: which kind of blew my mind.
Speaker 3: That's amazing, that's amazing. It stands testament to your product.
Speaker 3: So what is what's a good ratio when you're mixing
Speaker 3: how many how much should you use if you're doing
Speaker 3: say weekly uh sprays, like if like a for homegrowers
Speaker 3: for cannabis, like, well, what would you recommendation or cultivators,
Speaker 3: like is there any is there certain certain levels you
Speaker 3: should go with certain mixture?
Speaker 2: Yeah? There is. And the thing is that when some
Speaker 2: scientists did some experiments with our product with other companies,
Speaker 2: they were putting on six ounces per gallon and everything
Speaker 2: else failed. They turned to kroduc or chlorodic and died
Speaker 2: and our plant was still just blue. So you know,
Speaker 2: this wasn't a cannabis planet. It was a periwinkle and
Speaker 2: they're very delicate plants, and it was still just it
Speaker 2: was incredible. So and this guy developed Safer soap about
Speaker 2: fifty five years ago with a few other scientists. So
Speaker 2: doctor Tom Quick, he's a lovely man. I love him
Speaker 2: to death. He's very well respected. So I've never talked
Speaker 2: to anybody in the world that is used over three
Speaker 2: ounces for a few springs at a time. Never, And
Speaker 2: that was for really bad infestations, especially of russets and
Speaker 2: root aphids, which are some of the more damaging insects,
Speaker 2: and they take a little bit more intractful, they take
Speaker 2: a little bit more to get rid of, but our
Speaker 2: product will do that. So we start everybody at one
Speaker 2: ounce because that's what generally most people use, and per
Speaker 2: gallon infestation levels you go up to two ounces almost immediately,
Speaker 2: and if it's really bad, you can do three ounces
Speaker 2: every other day for a week, twice the next week,
Speaker 2: once the next week, and then just do a preventative
Speaker 2: because the new paradigmond growing not just for cannabis but
Speaker 2: for plants around the world because how much the earth
Speaker 2: is heated up. Whether people believe it or not, it
Speaker 2: has whoever, you know, whatever caused it. You know, everybody
Speaker 2: has their own ideas. But now these blooms of insects
Speaker 2: and pathogens are everywhere, and people in the middle of
Speaker 2: Alaska's never have never had anything. All of a sudden
Speaker 2: they have something. People It just this happened in Europe
Speaker 2: in a bunch of states. How yeah, how it just
Speaker 2: kind of exploded. So generally speaking, one thousand rowers will
Speaker 2: use our products seven hundred different ways. And that's not exaggeration.
Speaker 2: Some people have put it on twice three times a day.
Speaker 2: Because I designed the product.
Speaker 5: You can put it that much off the end of
Speaker 5: the day.
Speaker 2: Well, I've designed it to get off the plant fifteen
Speaker 2: to twenty minutes.
Speaker 4: The only reason evaporates pretty quickly. So, I mean, is
Speaker 4: there lots too much? Like is there a way to
Speaker 4: like over suffocate the plant? Really?
Speaker 6: I mean I know yourself.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, The ratio, the ratio when you do
Speaker 2: that to a gallon is the numbers are so high.
Speaker 2: I don't even need to repeat them. They're so high.
Speaker 2: I've spent I've sprayed pure ninety nine percent alcohol on leaves,
Speaker 2: on flowers, cannabis food here, but it's sixty sixty five
Speaker 2: degrees here on the ocean. You would do that in
Speaker 2: the interior where it's warm. You kill them. But the
Speaker 2: alcohol didn't do a damn thing, didn't do anything ninety
Speaker 2: nine percent pure alcohol. So a lot of people think that,
Speaker 2: you know, God, the alcohol did this or that. No,
Speaker 2: because the amount that's in there when you mix it.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you the precise amount, obviously because I
Speaker 2: don't want to, but when you do mix it in there,
Speaker 2: it's like three or four hundred to one. So it's
Speaker 2: virtually almost impossible to do that. If something has happened,
Speaker 2: it's usually end user with using another product that wasn't compatible,
Speaker 2: even though the most products are compatible with our product.
Speaker 2: But to get back to the quantities to use, most
Speaker 2: growers now that don't care about the money, will use
Speaker 2: two ounces right away. They don't care, and they'll do
Speaker 2: it weekly. You can cut a clone. You could cut
Speaker 2: a clone, dip it in our product and put it
Speaker 2: in the substrate that you're cloning in. Doesn't matter what
Speaker 2: it is, soaking in our product and it won't do
Speaker 2: anything to it. You've had people send us videos of
Speaker 2: you know, those fifteen one hundred plug clinators that they
Speaker 2: the roots are suspended. They'll pull those out and spray
Speaker 2: them with our product to get rid of rude aphids,
Speaker 2: and it won't damage the roots. So that's how benign
Speaker 2: it is. That's why it can be used so much.
Speaker 2: And I would say half the farms I do go
Speaker 2: do consulting for use twice as much of our product
Speaker 2: than they need to. But as a grower, I understand
Speaker 2: they want to sleep at night, they don't want to
Speaker 2: have to worry about this shit all the time, so
Speaker 2: they just go ahead and do it. And I just
Speaker 2: tell people, you're putting it on too much. You know,
Speaker 2: of course you're not fucking up the plants, you're not
Speaker 2: doing anything else, but but you're just, you know, you're
Speaker 2: kind of throwing your money away. Like with people that
Speaker 2: use our product with helicopters and planes on the big acreages,
Speaker 2: they ask us, can we experiment with something? So we did.
Speaker 2: I started using ice propel alcohol with our product seventy
Speaker 2: seventy one ninety ninety nine, and even my chemist were like,
Speaker 2: what they all turn out to be the same, didn't
Speaker 2: matter the strength. And what we did was on bad
Speaker 2: infant stations, we'd had two ounces of our product and
Speaker 2: an ounce of isopropyle alcohol, and that saved a little
Speaker 2: bit of money some of these farms by fifty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars to one hundred thousand dollars because of their size
Speaker 2: per year, and that was saving him fifteen twenty thousand
Speaker 2: a year by just using that extra alcohol versus ours,
Speaker 2: and the alcohol just almost had the same efficacy rates,
Speaker 2: but it helped boost it. Just alcohol by itself won't
Speaker 2: do anything, So we have a lot of people start out,
Speaker 2: especially if money is tight, which nowadays you know as
Speaker 2: well as I do legalization. Everybody is a farmer now
Speaker 2: and farmers save on every aspect, every single penny. So
Speaker 2: a lot of people will just do one ounce of
Speaker 2: our product, one ounce of alcohol, and they'll just keep
Speaker 2: doing that. Some people with two ounces and one ounce
Speaker 2: of alcohol. It's a variable price. There's a myriad ways
Speaker 2: of people putting on yeah of our products. So it's
Speaker 2: so hard for me to go, well, do you see webbing?
Speaker 2: How much of your plant is covered by aphids? Do
Speaker 2: you see fifty percent green? You know, when we first
Speaker 2: tried it with aphids, we brought an egg plant into
Speaker 2: one of the smaller greenhouses because they're known for vectoring
Speaker 2: in aphids, mainly Folier, and we let the plants get
Speaker 2: seventy five to eighty percent coverage, meaning that you would
Speaker 2: go in and you'd scrape your finger across and it
Speaker 2: would be green or purple wherever. You know, if it
Speaker 2: was the fruit or the foliage. That's how much. And
Speaker 2: it worked on that. Of course, being so infested, it
Speaker 2: took a lot longer to clean it, but nobody would
Speaker 2: let it go that long. We let it go that
Speaker 2: long on purpose. Three weeks of infestation, and once we
Speaker 2: knew that because root aphids started showing up in aphids
Speaker 2: and people weren't having, you know, very good results because
Speaker 2: they were just using the one ounce. That's why the
Speaker 2: two ounces came in, and that's why three ounces could
Speaker 2: come in. But you only need to do that two
Speaker 2: or three times, and the average is that we liked
Speaker 2: somebody doing it every other day for a week and
Speaker 2: then once or twice the next week to interrupt that
Speaker 2: cycle of ten days which most insects will reproduce most
Speaker 2: of them. And with powdery mildew, we have people doing
Speaker 2: the same thing and then going down. We've heard as
Speaker 2: low as a half ounce if it's just powdery mildew
Speaker 2: they want to keep, which in Michigan is absolutely known for.
Speaker 2: So we have growers with just using a half ounce
Speaker 2: of product per gallon once they you know, they mitigate it,
Speaker 2: they get everything under control. But so many growers don't
Speaker 2: give a shit about the money. They just use two
Speaker 2: ounces every time they do it. They'll do it once
Speaker 2: a week all the way to day of harvest and again,
Speaker 2: passing parts per billion here is huge. We get it
Speaker 2: tested here a thousand times a week by probably seven
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty livres grows and two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: illegal because many illegal growths. Now people that are purchasing
Speaker 2: their product, they're being asked to have tests for it,
Speaker 2: which they should have been doing all along, because you know,
Speaker 2: you don't want any shit being in there, especially if
Speaker 2: you're medical or something that could you know, it could
Speaker 2: potentially harm you. So you know, it's like I said,
Speaker 2: it's a very I mean, you can use the product
Speaker 2: in so many different ways. People were getting athletes foot
Speaker 2: and seratic patches on their arms and their legs decreasing
Speaker 2: by using our product when they would spray with their underwear,
Speaker 2: underwear I'm sorry, their swim trunks on because here in
Speaker 2: Humboldt Mendo and training, a lot of people will spray
Speaker 2: just with that with our product in the summertime. And
Speaker 2: they started noticing getting rid of that, so it's like colic.
Speaker 2: We've had people spraying their kids feet with athletes foot.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's how benign it is. Apiarists can use
Speaker 2: it around their hives. We've had a few hive owners
Speaker 2: in Tennessee spray their hives directly to help get rid
Speaker 2: of this little mite called the Verona mite. And its
Speaker 2: attaches itself to the back of the bees from what
Speaker 2: I understand, and that's helping you to colony collapse. But
Speaker 2: the important thing is that it doesn't do anything. It
Speaker 2: actually attracts bees, ladybugs and praying mannus, which blew my mind.
Speaker 2: And you know, my chemist, my bots, they can't they
Speaker 2: can't explain it eating there. I know, I know, and
Speaker 2: it is it does damage to soft bodied insects, So
Speaker 2: soft bodied insects like predatory mites. You want to put
Speaker 2: our product on if you're using you know, if you're
Speaker 2: using that even with nematods and things. Put our product
Speaker 2: on first to get a good you know, a good
Speaker 2: basin and then you can use the nematods and everything else.
Speaker 2: Otherwise our product will kill the nematods and anything in
Speaker 2: the soil. And if they do keep using the biologics.
Speaker 2: They just have to use our product first and then
Speaker 2: use that. You know, it doesn't last forever. They'll go
Speaker 2: back to the whatever there is, whatever. Their routine is,
Speaker 2: spray our product and then put our put the biologics
Speaker 2: on and it it. It doesn't really damage anything in
Speaker 2: the soil as far as well, it does do some damage.
Speaker 2: We've had people using biological and say it doesn't do
Speaker 2: anything to their biologics. It's that they didn't kill them
Speaker 2: and everything was fine. I just don't see how that
Speaker 2: can be because I know most of the growers that
Speaker 2: do that have seen a change. So that's why they
Speaker 2: will put it on after using our product. And if
Speaker 2: pupating insects in the soil like thrips, white flies, night
Speaker 2: and fungus nats, you spray the crap out of your plant, right.
Speaker 2: That usually gets rid of things, and the drippage in
Speaker 2: the soil or the substrate what you're growing in is
Speaker 2: usually enough to take care of it. But if there's
Speaker 2: an infestation level, you spray your plants and then spray
Speaker 2: the top of your substrate, your soil, your rock lobe cubes,
Speaker 2: the core, the cocoa coar and that usually drips in
Speaker 2: just enough to get those little bastards a little bit
Speaker 2: lower down, and it works. It actually takes care of
Speaker 2: those pupiating bastards.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 5: That's a good tip.
Speaker 3: That's a good tip there, Derek, for anyone that's out
Speaker 3: there trying to use the product. I do want to say,
Speaker 3: I was on your website and I love that you
Speaker 3: guys give out a free sample. So if like anybody
Speaker 3: wants to try out the products, you literally have on
Speaker 3: your website where you can get a free example. You
Speaker 3: use gotta pay for shipping. I think that's so much
Speaker 3: confidence in the product that you have. Once you try it.
Speaker 3: I see that you're going to see the results of
Speaker 3: the product. And honestly, that's sick if you're a homegrower
Speaker 3: anywhere or around the world, or you're a cultivator, because
Speaker 3: we have a lot of cultivators metric cultivators here to
Speaker 3: say in Michigan that listen and you need a new IPM.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you this product. I don't wrap so many products,
Speaker 3: but this product I've used for years before we even met.
Speaker 2: You got it.
Speaker 3: You are on our list to go at mgmisant. That's
Speaker 3: how improve I was like, we need to stop here
Speaker 3: because I got to talk to them about their product.
Speaker 3: I absolutely love it and you can use it pretty
Speaker 3: much in sunlight too, because it doesn't burn the plants,
Speaker 3: right if I'm not correct.
Speaker 2: If I'm correct, not light even indoors. You can use
Speaker 2: it with your lights on it just as long as
Speaker 2: you're about eighty degrees or less. We have people that
Speaker 2: can't get below ninety degrees in some parts of the
Speaker 2: world and the States during the growing seasons, and they're
Speaker 2: not having any problems, but we'd like to keep it
Speaker 2: down to eighty if you can. But if you're eighty
Speaker 2: five eighty six, do not worry. It's not the light,
Speaker 2: it is the heat. And most growers nowadays, since it's
Speaker 2: caught on, are using LEDs, which is a lot easier
Speaker 2: to use. And if you have a room with four
Speaker 2: hundred lights in it, just keep a couple on. If
Speaker 2: you haven't put incandescence in our green lights and to
Speaker 2: you know, do that, spray your plants and then thirty
Speaker 2: minutes you could turn the lights back on.
Speaker 3: I've honestly I tested it after we discussed it is
Speaker 3: kind of I sprayed with the lights on and they
Speaker 3: just just the top, and I was like saying, it looked,
Speaker 3: it looks fine after there's no damage for nothing, because
Speaker 3: I was I was curious because like that test, all
Speaker 3: the times I've been it's like, you never want to
Speaker 3: spray your plants with sunlight or your your lights on.
Speaker 3: You always want to spray it at the at like
Speaker 3: pretty much the end of the day. It was pretty
Speaker 3: much when I did it and lights all, I'm not
Speaker 3: turning the green light and then go in there and
Speaker 3: do it. But honestly, it's great because if I'm if
Speaker 3: I'm busy and I can't do that at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, I'm able to do it during the
Speaker 3: day and you can still get your IPM management done.
Speaker 2: That's the thing that's again. If people don't have time
Speaker 2: constraints and they feel they have to, they could turn
Speaker 2: the lights off for twenty thirty minutes. It will do
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing to your planets. I've done it for years
Speaker 2: doing this. I would turn because my rooms were all small.
Speaker 2: I only did three light rooms, but I did many
Speaker 2: of them. Very expensive way to do it, but you
Speaker 2: could control the problems with pathogens and insects, and people go,
Speaker 2: can you have all these cans for the smell. You
Speaker 2: have all these fans and you have I go, yeah,
Speaker 2: but this is the way. We don't want to do it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to put twenty lights in one room,
Speaker 2: you know, I want to do these three lights rooms.
Speaker 2: And then we staggered everything. So every month we'd produce
Speaker 2: a very small amount. That's all we ever did. We
Speaker 2: never got large on purpose. We liked being with the
Speaker 2: kids too much and the horses and our free time.
Speaker 2: Debbie and I are both artists, so we never got
Speaker 2: large ever on purpose. But the product we produced was
Speaker 2: very high quality. We had high quality customers, and the
Speaker 2: and the the dispensaries down in La loved us, you know,
Speaker 2: they just they loved They were bummed when they when
Speaker 2: they found out that we were not going to be
Speaker 2: growing anymore. Because we were so conscious of our product.
Speaker 2: I would always try my product and cure it for
Speaker 2: about two months. I would love to do it on
Speaker 2: a three month schedule, but it kept the dispensaries kept going, no,
Speaker 2: you got to come down, It got to come down.
Speaker 2: But I still wouldn't go down for at least two
Speaker 2: weeks of curing. And I still didn't like that. I
Speaker 2: have a hyper sensitive palette, and I could tell the
Speaker 2: difference and to me the best. I mean, I keep
Speaker 2: my cannabis for a year plus, but I keep it in.
Speaker 2: I keep it in these big Italian glass stars, big
Speaker 2: Italian glass stars. And then I see which you know,
Speaker 2: with the seal top. But then I also seal a
Speaker 2: meal that in the plastic bag, you know, the seal meal.
Speaker 2: So that's double on top. That's why I can get interesting.
Speaker 2: I can keep it for so long. It's great the.
Speaker 3: Day right there, not even about lost cast, but about.
Speaker 6: Doing it that way and both ways. You know double.
Speaker 5: I like that. I like that.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 5: That's that's good right there.
Speaker 3: Der yeah, because you don't store your bud work, but
Speaker 3: it degrades in a CBN and you're just not really
Speaker 3: getting high. There's gonna be chilling and it's not as good.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's good to have it.
Speaker 3: There's not a benoid, but that you don't need to
Speaker 3: you don't want it that with about you group, potentially
Speaker 3: if you want the higher PC.
Speaker 2: With all of them, exactly, there's nothing wrong with CBN.
Speaker 2: Great sleeping and calming in this that but still you're
Speaker 2: exactly right about that.
Speaker 3: Not the goal per se Yeah, you were mentioning the
Speaker 3: five continents that you're on, and I know you're just
Speaker 3: launched in the Canada. How big is it for you
Speaker 3: and your brand launching into not just in the United
Speaker 3: States but throughout the world. Like, that's got pretty big
Speaker 3: that you're getting multiple countries continents using your product because
Speaker 3: of how good it is the organics with it. That's
Speaker 3: gotta feel great, and it's got to be a lot
Speaker 3: of work and stress, because I bet you you're talking
Speaker 3: states are different. These countries got to be completely different
Speaker 3: with everything to how they have to Has.
Speaker 4: One been like particularly easy and one been particularly hard?
Speaker 2: They all have been not easy, but they some have
Speaker 2: been hard. And like I said, the label and Canada
Speaker 2: lost Coast Plant Protector. They put things on there that
Speaker 2: I didn't want to put on that you have to
Speaker 2: wear goggles, you have to wear gloves, and the growers
Speaker 2: up there already know they've been using it for years.
Speaker 2: Then the last year Canada goes you can't sell air anymore,
Speaker 2: not until you finish it. We go We've been selling
Speaker 2: there for three years, and that's when it just the
Speaker 2: shit hit. The fan. Growers were coming across the lines
Speaker 2: to purchase our product and then going back over and
Speaker 2: then giving it out to friends selling small portions of it,
Speaker 2: and the expense. When I was told that a Canadian
Speaker 2: had spent up twenty two to twenty five bucks for
Speaker 2: a free two ounce sample here, they didn't tell me
Speaker 2: that my kids for a few years because they knew
Speaker 2: how pissed I was going to be. That just that
Speaker 2: hit the fan, because so the Canadians when they call up,
Speaker 2: I would just send them like twelve ouncers. I'd send
Speaker 2: them something like that because two ounces, you know that
Speaker 2: much money? Just buy at twelve ounce. And then I
Speaker 2: just started sending them out. So anytime I talk to
Speaker 2: a grower, it's very rare that I send out two ounces.
Speaker 4: I always a Canadian growers got to give you a call.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anybody, anybody in the world, even Thailand. I just
Speaker 2: got off some of the phone this morning with somebody
Speaker 2: cool Thailand. But big growers like in Michigan, I've sent
Speaker 2: out two and a half gallons, gallons, five gallons before
Speaker 2: because I need to ask what size they were in
Speaker 2: commensurate with their size, I will send out you know
Speaker 2: what is necessary. Yeah, yeah, so, and I mean I
Speaker 2: still will do that somebody calls up and they're big enough,
Speaker 2: you know, court's not going to hit it, so I
Speaker 2: want to give them a gallon. So we always give
Speaker 2: about three on.
Speaker 6: The size of the grow.
Speaker 4: That makes sense too, because it depends on their grow.
Speaker 4: You're going to burn through that very quickly.
Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly exactly, especially big rows, big.
Speaker 6: Growth homegrow, right. Yeah, but like the large growth.
Speaker 5: Hundreds and thousands of plants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's why if somebody has fifty acres and
Speaker 2: one hundred acres, I'll send them out ten gallons because
Speaker 2: you know, I go, I want you to do a
Speaker 2: quadrant of a quarter acre so you can see it.
Speaker 2: Don't ever do it an entire harvest. And so many
Speaker 2: people go, oh, we've been doing the entire harvest for
Speaker 2: a while before we talked to you. I'm like, oh god,
Speaker 2: it's not that the product's not going to work. But
Speaker 2: I always experiment with anything I've ever used, which has
Speaker 2: always just been organic, and a lot of people go, no,
Speaker 2: we just did the entire harvest with it and it's
Speaker 2: working great.
Speaker 4: It depends on what they use it exactly.
Speaker 2: They but our product is so malleable grow with so
Speaker 2: many different things, that's why it works great in IPMS.
Speaker 2: But I tell people, you know, it's a standalone. We've
Speaker 2: probably only convinced twenty five or thirty percent of the
Speaker 2: people out there after a few years just to use
Speaker 2: our product. And quite frankly, I don't give a shit
Speaker 2: if people buy my product or not. That's the way
Speaker 2: I've always portrayed it because it's true. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: sixty three year sixty three years old. Seven years ago,
Speaker 2: I'm going, do I really want to sell this? I
Speaker 2: haven't for six years, and the kids were like, we'll
Speaker 2: do this, We'll do that, Debbie will do this, and
Speaker 2: we'll hire people, you know to do the shipping and
Speaker 2: stuff from the warehouses here. We have people bottling it now,
Speaker 2: law materials, we have people shipping up here, but we
Speaker 2: still ship everything here to the ranch before it goes
Speaker 2: out globally. Because the people we have in our warehouse
Speaker 2: are fucking phenomenal that we just love them to death
Speaker 2: and they do incredible rapping. There's never been any problems,
Speaker 2: and we virtually check every single thing go out and
Speaker 2: it is six figures plus extra money. But I don't
Speaker 2: want something going to another country and having it fuck
Speaker 2: up if the top's not right or this that. So
Speaker 2: we have a great We outgrow four different bottlers in
Speaker 2: the first three years. Have a butler that's pretty much
Speaker 2: just doing our product because typically many bottlers will have
Speaker 2: twenty to thirty companies and we have to get into
Speaker 2: a queue. We go listen, we need a quarter palette
Speaker 2: of this. He'll have it done in three days. For us,
Speaker 2: we'll need ten pallets of this. So we're really super
Speaker 2: excited about that. They're just a great group of people,
Speaker 2: and we get all of our raw products mainly through Norfox,
Speaker 2: Kim and La a great bunch of people. Love them
Speaker 2: to death. They've helped us out a lot, you know,
Speaker 2: just with many different things. So we're very very very organic,
Speaker 2: very conscientious, very transparent family with what you know, what
Speaker 2: we put out there. We always have been anyway, but
Speaker 2: with this, I just I don't want people to guess
Speaker 2: on it, and so many inputs they don't need to
Speaker 2: put in products, which really pisses me off. And even
Speaker 2: organic USDA Organic Certification NP, they can put in stuff
Speaker 2: there that's like no. And we've had so many farms
Speaker 2: call us up and go, oh, look, we're so glad
Speaker 2: that CCOF California serve fight organic farmers. Did you know,
Speaker 2: you know, did this clean green? I think certification way
Speaker 2: better to me than omri Qai and us DA way
Speaker 2: better because they don't allow any of that other shit,
Speaker 2: and they're the ones that approached us SO. And the
Speaker 2: NLP was pretty much, from I understand, designed by CCOF
Speaker 2: before they became CCOF, and that's what the Agricultural Federal
Speaker 2: Department used as their their parameters, the NP National Organic
Speaker 2: Program Parameters. So yeah, we're we're really clean, and that's
Speaker 2: what we really like, you know, that's why it's so
Speaker 2: cool for food now flower producers. Well, yeah, if you
Speaker 2: can use any flow.
Speaker 4: Food, I mean that's the most digestible thing we have, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean exactly healthy.
Speaker 2: And for this one for this one huge company to
Speaker 2: do this for US heritage, we're just we're shot changers
Speaker 2: and the side by sides and yeah, these other people
Speaker 2: that we may be doing ninety percent of the lettuce
Speaker 2: in the United States students of the cut lettuce, And
Speaker 2: I know those numbers just I still have to go
Speaker 2: to the bathroom a lot of times when I say
Speaker 2: those numbers. I'm not now because I already did about that.
Speaker 2: That's maybe sharing it a little too much. My wife
Speaker 2: just walked in shaking your head, so I know, I
Speaker 2: just so. But yeah, we're just happy that the food
Speaker 2: industry is in US, into US, and the exotic and
Speaker 2: rare plan people are into us because we have societies
Speaker 2: calling us up. And usually there are a lot of
Speaker 2: older folks, I call them old. You know, a lot
Speaker 2: of them are.
Speaker 7: Young societies and society society like a streptococcus like bonseye,
Speaker 7: like African violet, which I always forget, thank you, they'll
Speaker 7: call us up.
Speaker 2: Can we use that? And all of a sudden they do,
Speaker 2: and they just love the shit out of it. Because
Speaker 2: so many people now with flowers, you know, they spray
Speaker 2: pri etherans and things like that, which you know they're
Speaker 2: not bad, but they're not good still. You know, they
Speaker 2: want to use something as clean as they can and
Speaker 2: not poisons. So you know, we have probably thirty orchids
Speaker 2: here and forty house plants, and we spray them all
Speaker 2: the time just to show people that we can spray them.
Speaker 2: But I've never knock On Wood had one problem with
Speaker 2: mildew Art bugs in any of our indour plants. And
Speaker 2: we're surrounded. You know, we're in a very rural area
Speaker 2: by so many things, and it's so anyway. It works
Speaker 2: great on virtually anything out there, no matter what ornamental
Speaker 2: or no matter what plant in the world.
Speaker 5: Wow, that's.
Speaker 6: Just the fold. The food grade level of it is impressive.
Speaker 4: I mean yet, because we always talk about the things
Speaker 4: that go into your weed, just because if it's not organic.
Speaker 2: Oh you lost us, we froze you, guys.
Speaker 5: Okay, we're back.
Speaker 6: Do you hear us? We're okay on our end?
Speaker 2: Oh I hear you now, I hear you. Good?
Speaker 6: Okay, perfect, all good.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: I would just say that's super impressive because I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, people always talk about what's going in your weed,
Speaker 4: what's going into your food, blah blah blah. But like
Speaker 4: my thing about all that is like a lot of
Speaker 4: the weed that's out there on market in a lot
Speaker 4: of places is still not that good for you. A
Speaker 4: lot of stuff is still I mean, even the stuff
Speaker 4: that's tested for you. I mean, people are getting away
Speaker 4: with all sorts of things just you.
Speaker 2: Know, all sorts of loopholes.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it just shows it just shows that you
Speaker 3: have a quality, clean product, right, I expect more and
Speaker 3: more growers cull to vaders that started trying the product,
Speaker 3: because when you compare it to any other spray out
Speaker 3: there on the market, I mean hands down, like it's
Speaker 3: just stands up.
Speaker 5: Not all of them can do food grade. They like this.
Speaker 3: You can spray multiple times, you can spray with lights on,
Speaker 3: doesn't have to be end of day or early in
Speaker 3: the day. How that helps your schedule, the terps, the
Speaker 3: flavors changing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my wife is a lader in the day spray.
Speaker 2: When we grew outside, I was always mourning. That just
Speaker 2: was our preference or was it reversed? Oh? Reverse? She
Speaker 2: just said reverse, dumb shit, So yeah, I was, yeah,
Speaker 2: but so you could you could do it at different times?
Speaker 2: Does but again spray? Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know. I
Speaker 2: mean for years I just would spend hours in there,
Speaker 2: listening to music, reading with my plants. I loved it. I
Speaker 2: knew every single plant by name, every strain. And people
Speaker 2: would look at me to go, you have seventeen strains
Speaker 2: in this little room. How can you tell each one?
Speaker 2: And I go, you just can't. Hoopes, we froze.
Speaker 5: Again, that's me. I'm yeah, We're there.
Speaker 3: I'm able to tell the the difference strains as well too.
Speaker 3: I do the same thing. I have like multiple different ones,
Speaker 3: not just one specific strain.
Speaker 5: Yes, I feel you on that.
Speaker 2: You guys. Oh there, there you are. There are good,
Speaker 2: you guys. Froze again.
Speaker 6: It might just be a Wi Fi. Yeah, we haven't
Speaker 6: dropped you at all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's probably in our sides. I don't even worry
Speaker 5: you guys.
Speaker 2: And this happens with this happens with other podcasts I've
Speaker 2: done too, So it has to be. We're a getting
Speaker 2: very rural, you know, we're you know, we're but fifteen
Speaker 2: twenty miles from Eureka, and I feel like we lived
Speaker 2: in the city because where we were before, you know,
Speaker 2: there was no electricity. They never will be. We had
Speaker 2: to generate all of our own electricalsay.
Speaker 4: But here, I mean here, I'm just using Wi Fi
Speaker 4: in general, Like I'm lying, I have a wired in
Speaker 4: you know, I'm wired in, you know, so for sometimes
Speaker 4: even just Wi Fi, especially because it's doing a lot.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's Oranges.
Speaker 3: It's been good the whole time we've been we've been
Speaker 3: cruising this whole conversation, Dirk.
Speaker 5: It's when it when it's been fun. It's been a blast.
Speaker 4: You did shout out a couple of people that use
Speaker 4: you working with recently. Is there anyone else that you
Speaker 4: want to shout out? You you shouted a couple of
Speaker 4: companies that you worked with. Is there any companies that
Speaker 4: you work with specifically or help that help you develop
Speaker 4: your product that you want to just kind of give
Speaker 4: a shout out, because you know there's always people behind.
Speaker 2: No, we we I did it in house because you know,
Speaker 2: growing for so long, I had to be very secretive,
Speaker 2: you know, and it would sucked, and so I didn't
Speaker 2: have any input from anyone. That's why it took me.
Speaker 2: You know, I killed eight hundred plants, but I you know,
Speaker 2: I grew two thousand just to do experiments with. And so, no,
Speaker 2: there's no one out there. The only person out there
Speaker 2: is my wife. And if I didn't have her, probably
Speaker 2: wouldn't have you know, yeah, she's just right there. It
Speaker 2: probably would it probably would would not have been done.
Speaker 4: Well, that's as well saying there we go. See that's
Speaker 4: something that's someone huge. You know, that's huge shout out.
Speaker 4: You know, I just always ask because you never know
Speaker 4: what goes in behind the products, right and obviously it's
Speaker 4: so much like just uh, just getting the grinding, putting
Speaker 4: hard work in and experiment and learning, and you know,
Speaker 4: and in your family putting in the work. So it's
Speaker 4: really cool that your family went you went along for
Speaker 4: the ride for you too, because that's a lot of
Speaker 4: dedication doing a belief in this product as well. You know,
Speaker 4: that's their whole life dedication. So big shout out to
Speaker 4: the whole fame.
Speaker 2: And they bugged they yeah, they bugged me for years
Speaker 2: to get this sold. And I'm kind of you know,
Speaker 2: I'm an Irish red head in Norwegian, so I'm kind
Speaker 2: of stubborn sometimes, but I'm really glad we did now
Speaker 2: because they all have a future with this company. We're
Speaker 2: going to leave the company with them. You know, we've
Speaker 2: had companies every year trying to buy us and we're
Speaker 2: just like, nope, we're not selling or you know, we're
Speaker 2: not selling the business and some pretty high high numbers,
Speaker 2: which kind of again, I shows.
Speaker 6: You the product you have. It shows you the product.
Speaker 6: They know the money they can be made, they know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've probably had six iterations. People have tried
Speaker 2: making our product, two or three with no money and
Speaker 2: three or four with a lot of money, and they failed.
Speaker 2: You know, and and because the product didn't work, and
Speaker 2: you know, I'm you know, who knows why, but it
Speaker 2: didn't matter. But there's five of us, you know, my
Speaker 2: wife and I am three of our adult kids at what.
Speaker 2: Chloe thirty eight and Heather's fifty two, So we have
Speaker 2: five minds doing everything. And it's a democratic process, even
Speaker 2: though sometimes I may be a little adamant about some
Speaker 2: things and we'll do what I say and it turns
Speaker 2: out to be okay. But it truly is a democratic process.
Speaker 2: I could not have done this without the children. I'm
Speaker 2: in awe of what they do, and each of everybody
Speaker 2: has their own purview and it's huge. So we're just happy.
Speaker 2: And like I said, Wai, I want to do this
Speaker 2: into our eighties and you know, that's another ten years
Speaker 2: so and it's keeping us young doing this and traveling
Speaker 2: to other countries is a lot of fun to do
Speaker 2: this and then meeting people like you. I mean, Jesus,
Speaker 2: come on, you two are incredible. I can't wait to
Speaker 2: come out to Michigan and come see you guys face
Speaker 2: to face. I told you, guys, this, Michigan was the
Speaker 2: first place I went to. I didn't go to other
Speaker 2: places in northern California, southern Oregon, southern California. I went
Speaker 2: to Michigan twice. Were you Michigan Ors, you assholes? You
Speaker 2: followed us so close here. You guys were the same
Speaker 2: as us. I experienced the same thing. You guys had
Speaker 2: the same grows, you had the same strains and everything.
Speaker 2: It's because you guys followed so many people out here
Speaker 2: in Mendo and Humble. That's why I love you guys
Speaker 2: to fucking death. I really love everybody that I've met,
Speaker 2: you guys, and I love Detroit. People are like you
Speaker 2: love Detroit. They I love Detroit. They don't know. I
Speaker 2: haven't been to the East. I haven't been to Kalamazoo,
Speaker 2: I haven't been to the northwest all the way up
Speaker 2: in the Peninsula. But you know, around Clio and those places,
Speaker 2: and I fucking loved it. I mean, the people I go,
Speaker 2: you've never been, you've never been to Detroit. Shut the
Speaker 2: fuck up, you know you don't know.
Speaker 6: And derekout Detroit.
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 3: Well, when you come out from Michigan and you're in
Speaker 3: the Detroit area, you'll definitely have to come to the
Speaker 3: studio and we'll burn up with you.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yes, you guys. You guys can't keep
Speaker 2: me away. You guys can't sorry.
Speaker 5: Appreciate.
Speaker 2: And by the way, you know, you guys, if you
Speaker 2: ever need the product, you're not going to ever pay
Speaker 2: for it. So if I hear you guys going to
Speaker 2: a store and actually purchasing your product, we're no longer friends. Wow.
Speaker 2: Make sure when you need something, call my ass up,
Speaker 2: because I don't do this with a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Call me up and let me know. And because of
Speaker 2: what you guys are doing for you know, for cannabis,
Speaker 2: my cana cast. Come on, you guys. You know not
Speaker 2: a lot of people are doing this. Even though there
Speaker 2: are a lot of podcasts out there there. You know,
Speaker 2: there's some of them that just are good and there's
Speaker 2: some of them that are.
Speaker 4: Incredible, and we're trying to do our best. You know,
Speaker 4: we're you know, you know you said there's no investors,
Speaker 4: just me and him, there's no red line.
Speaker 6: It's just trying to figure it out right and.
Speaker 5: Take you up on that offer too, and then I'll
Speaker 5: be calling.
Speaker 4: I want to say, the bulk quantities, like you sell
Speaker 4: gallons of this stuff, So if like big grows need
Speaker 4: to reach out to you. There's no quantity that you're like, well,
Speaker 4: we'll bulk it to you whatever there is. Right, I
Speaker 4: mean to ask you earlier because I'm see for homegrows.
Speaker 4: You know, you just get the bottles and they last
Speaker 4: a while. But you well you were saying gallons so
Speaker 4: you can get big bulks. That's I just wanted to
Speaker 4: clarify that, right, I was checking your website earlier.
Speaker 2: And we don't do anything. Yeah, we don't do anything
Speaker 2: over two and a half gallons. Okay, we don't do
Speaker 2: five gallons and fifty five gallons because the price breaker
Speaker 2: isn't going to be any different. But most most most
Speaker 2: tanks that are big that will take two and a
Speaker 2: half gallons, like three hundred and thirty gallon tanks for
Speaker 2: the planes or the tractors. So we don't need to
Speaker 2: make anything bigger than that. And you know a lot
Speaker 2: of farms will buy a polid or so we'll give
Speaker 2: them distributed pricing if they're buying a pallet, interesting, which
Speaker 2: is a lot less expensive.
Speaker 3: For the future of Lost Coast, what do you what
Speaker 3: are some of your plans now that you're in uh
Speaker 3: these new markets.
Speaker 5: Do you have other markets that you're.
Speaker 3: Looking to uh go into here in the in the future.
Speaker 3: Do you have any other new for twenty twenty five
Speaker 3: or Ust of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5: I know, I mean it's the future.
Speaker 3: But Canada is your a big one this year and
Speaker 3: you're there officially launched it, so you guys posting about it.
Speaker 5: It's on your website.
Speaker 3: So and I want to give that on our congratulations
Speaker 3: on getting into Canada for you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, bro. Yeah, and the kids were responsible and
Speaker 2: my wife for the website completely. They did that all themselves,
Speaker 2: so we're really proud of that. But yeah, so what
Speaker 2: we're getting into, we're getting into some vintnors. Now. We
Speaker 2: want to get into the wine industry because to get
Speaker 2: them off of sulfur, which has been around for five
Speaker 2: thousand years. But we want to get them off of
Speaker 2: that so their workers don't have to wear anything applying
Speaker 2: our product. But what we're getting into now, it looks like,
Speaker 2: is like the specialty green greenhouses that produce like I said,
Speaker 2: flowers and things like that and herbs, microgreens, things like that.
Speaker 2: And we also are starting to get into what do
Speaker 2: people you know, shit motels, golf courses that scrape the
Speaker 2: poisons around their flowers and things. We're getting into that now,
Speaker 2: so you know, people can start spraying something clean. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's huge, that's huge. Has been wanting to get
Speaker 2: in that for a while, my stepson and and so
Speaker 2: that's what we're looking into now is getting into you know, landscapers.
Speaker 2: We have landscapers using our product now, especially uh in
Speaker 2: the Hollywood area. Some of these you know, people with
Speaker 2: a lot of money, they want as clean a product
Speaker 2: as they can get. So landscaping is another thing we're
Speaker 2: getting into now, which is great. Plus you guys, the
Speaker 2: product we have a two year shelf life on it,
Speaker 2: but I've just uncorked something at four years six months
Speaker 2: ago and it was still the same ninety five percent rates.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a five year shelf
Speaker 2: life on it. As long as it's kept out of
Speaker 2: the sun and and corked tight enough, it'll last that
Speaker 2: many years. Nobody is going to keep it that long.
Speaker 2: People who used it, Yeah, right, and life is nice, Yeah,
Speaker 2: which is my chemist can't They don't understand why either,
Speaker 2: because other companies that are similar to ours, they don't
Speaker 2: have that shelf life because the rates drop if you
Speaker 2: mix the product. Yeah, if you mix the product, it
Speaker 2: can We have it I think on the website and
Speaker 2: the labels a week. But we've had growers here in
Speaker 2: Humbo County keep it for three weeks after mixing it,
Speaker 2: just reagitating it, spraying it again. And it worked because
Speaker 2: there are a few grows years past that the stores
Speaker 2: that they were near didn't have it and we would
Speaker 2: set we would you know, sell it from the rash,
Speaker 2: but it would take three or four days. They needed
Speaker 2: it that day and so they took it on their
Speaker 2: own volition to go spray it and it worked. So
Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks. It still has the same viability.
Speaker 2: If you have long lines, spray it for a few
Speaker 2: seconds back in the tank because the separation and the
Speaker 2: lines of the oil and the alcohol and the surfactant, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, they'll separate and you'll just spit out like
Speaker 2: soap for something. It's not going to kill the plants,
Speaker 2: but it could discolor some leaves. You know, you could
Speaker 2: have spots on it, which is you know, you don't
Speaker 2: really want to do. So that is all.
Speaker 4: Because a lot of people will sell you a product
Speaker 4: that's going to like diminish very quickly, right, So that's
Speaker 4: really our really nice to hear how quality that is.
Speaker 4: That you're really trying to just make something last and
Speaker 4: it just works and it needs to be used so
Speaker 4: often that it's going to sell. So you know, you're
Speaker 4: not trying to just sell something to make the maximum
Speaker 4: dollars off. And it works and the product works, and
Speaker 4: that's why you're seeing continue to expand you know, so
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: Some of these boardrooms I've gone into in these places,
Speaker 2: these big, big conglomerates that want to use our product.
Speaker 2: I'll leave and people come up, they go, boy, it
Speaker 2: sounded like you didn't even want to sell us the product.
Speaker 2: I'm like, and I'll go, I don't care if I
Speaker 2: sell it or not. Look at you, guys, I'm in
Speaker 2: my sixties, I've had my life, blah blah blah. And
Speaker 2: they're like, well, that's what we found so refreshing. Plus,
Speaker 2: we're women concentric. If you are a women owned business,
Speaker 2: or you have more more than fifty percent women, you
Speaker 2: get a special discount. And you'd be surprised how little
Speaker 2: we've used it, because that's that they're that that's just
Speaker 2: not that. Not a lot of women running companies are
Speaker 2: more than fifty percent. We're at one of those companies
Speaker 2: because you know, I have two step daughters and my
Speaker 2: wife and then Spree and I, so we're concentric you know,
Speaker 2: women concentric company. But you know, it's our product, so
Speaker 2: it's it's you know, it's not that big a deal.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so we we're we're really happy with the project.
Speaker 2: The trajectory of the way things have gone. We just
Speaker 2: still can't believe it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I honestly, I'm just really more impressed with just
Speaker 4: honestly the purity of it all.
Speaker 1: So that's really cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I've known it for years since I've been
Speaker 3: using it, and I'm glad. I'm hoping more and more
Speaker 3: growers out there take the chance on this product.
Speaker 2: And you guys, and you know what I went through.
Speaker 2: We went through dozens of companies to get the five
Speaker 2: six products that we needed to get other than you know,
Speaker 2: the reverse osmosis water that we use, and you can
Speaker 2: use city water. You can use it straight out. You
Speaker 2: don't need to let it sit to get the the
Speaker 2: chemicals and shiit to evaporate in the chlorine. But you know,
Speaker 2: if you do use that, it'd be best to do
Speaker 2: that That's just what I would do if I was
Speaker 2: in the situation. But we've used it. We've used it
Speaker 2: in four point eight to nine point one waters, so
Speaker 2: there's a huge difference without having to pH the product.
Speaker 2: You don't have to pH the product if you don't
Speaker 2: want to. But phing is inexpensive and quick, and I
Speaker 2: tell people keep phing if you feel that you need to,
Speaker 2: especially in water culture and things like that, but it's
Speaker 2: not absolutely necessary to do that.
Speaker 3: That's good to know for any of the growers out there.
Speaker 3: Don't I don't have to phr with mine when I
Speaker 3: do my living soil. But I do want to say
Speaker 3: I appreciate you talking about your family and how it's
Speaker 3: family run business and how you guys are all working
Speaker 3: together at a say.
Speaker 6: It sounds like they're and everyone's really crucial to the project.
Speaker 5: That's a big thing.
Speaker 2: They are They truly are you guys? You hit it
Speaker 2: on the head. We each have our own purview and
Speaker 2: we each do the same things. We do what everybody
Speaker 2: else does. But you're generally speaking very rarely. You know,
Speaker 2: if I'm out of country or if I'm on my
Speaker 2: satellite phone and people get because I'm in a lot
Speaker 2: of places where cell phone service it doesn't get so
Speaker 2: I had to buy a satellite phone. And even then
Speaker 2: sometimes if I can't, you talk to one of the
Speaker 2: other owners. You never talk to anybody else. You don't
Speaker 2: talk to anybody in the offices or the warehouse. You
Speaker 2: talk to an owner and the kids, my wife, they
Speaker 2: know as much as I do, if not more. You know,
Speaker 2: I mean it just because you know, we grew up
Speaker 2: as a family, So say they know all the tricks.
Speaker 2: They know.
Speaker 6: That's what I mean.
Speaker 4: You guys all sound so connected to it too. It's
Speaker 4: not just like, hey, everyone works here because it's convenient.
Speaker 2: It's no.
Speaker 4: Everyone truly cares and has an input in about this project.
Speaker 6: And that's amazing. Has been growing into what it has become.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, like I said, we're still amazed. We're still
Speaker 2: amazed by it.
Speaker 4: I expect you guys. I mean, you're going to different countries.
Speaker 4: That's pretty cool to take spanning just to be in
Speaker 4: like that many states. I'd be pretty pumped alone, you know,
Speaker 4: keep just keep going like it hasn't even stopped yet.
Speaker 2: You know, so of course you don't want to and
Speaker 2: we are schwag. We give away. We don't sell it
Speaker 2: and people always want to buy it every week, and
Speaker 2: we give everything away. We have Patagonia North Faced cards,
Speaker 2: the sweatshirteah, I love you, I love thank you, thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you guys so much.
Speaker 5: I wear it all the time, wearing.
Speaker 2: You. Let me know, you let me know when you
Speaker 2: guys are need more need I would love to send you,
Speaker 2: guys things up. I should probably take a picture of
Speaker 2: this ship that we have. But I bought four jackets
Speaker 2: north Face, Jail north and we sell high end. We
Speaker 2: give out a high end out. We don't get the
Speaker 2: cheap stuff Patigonia cart north Face, and people will wear
Speaker 2: a product all over the place around the world.
Speaker 6: Playing they're gonna wear it, you know.
Speaker 3: And I like wrapping your brand though too. It's a
Speaker 3: good brand, you have good morals. Market yeah, it's marketing exactly.
Speaker 2: And the kids in the beginning wanted to sell it
Speaker 2: because so many people requests. I go, no, we're giving
Speaker 2: it away, and that's what we still do now. The
Speaker 2: thing is, I bought four jackets. They were like eight
Speaker 2: or nine hundred dollars each, these north Face that are
Speaker 2: designed for sixty to eighty below zeros. I bought them
Speaker 2: on purpose. So I'm canning waiting for somebody that goes
Speaker 2: to the Arctic or somewhere so I can give them
Speaker 2: one of these jackets. I haven't. Nobody's really conto. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well I gave one to a friend that went up
Speaker 2: the I did a rod, you know, the and they weren't.
Speaker 2: They weren't with all these other people that were going,
Speaker 2: we want one of those. But he was always taking
Speaker 2: it off because it was too warm. Like yeah, so
Speaker 2: that was crazy. But yeah, we love giving our shwag out,
Speaker 2: Like I said, anybody that calls me always do. And
Speaker 2: there was one farm that had a million plants and
Speaker 2: they had forty employees. We send out every employee a
Speaker 2: sweatshirt and T shirt and the owners each got you know,
Speaker 2: a nice car heart jacket or patagon in the north
Speaker 2: face and a bunch of beaties. So we're not shy
Speaker 2: and sending it out. You know, we're not shy this
Speaker 2: this year since we were getting into so many countries
Speaker 2: at once, and we're not borrowing any money. We're not
Speaker 2: taking any loans out from the bank, which we easy could.
Speaker 2: We're not short on clothing, but we still have enough
Speaker 2: to wear.
Speaker 4: You guys, are growing, you know, expansion costs. You know,
Speaker 4: it's not just doesn't just come.
Speaker 2: You know, we were surprised how much it costs, especially
Speaker 2: when you're doing three or four countries at once.
Speaker 5: I couldn't imagine that's a lot of countries.
Speaker 6: You want to ask your final question? Yeah, we got
Speaker 6: final questions.
Speaker 5: You got one more?
Speaker 2: No, no final question.
Speaker 3: I know, I know it's been a blast. I mean
Speaker 3: we've been I can't believe like we flew by. We'll
Speaker 3: have to get you back on for sure. You guys
Speaker 3: will get you in the family on because I would
Speaker 3: love to get and talk to each one's business.
Speaker 2: I love that you guys, they love we love that ship.
Speaker 2: Please do that again, and I make the kids come
Speaker 2: on and you're coming on with you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that'd be perfect, That'd be perfect.
Speaker 3: I'd love to get insight into each one with everyone's
Speaker 3: doing exactly.
Speaker 5: I love the whole family feeld.
Speaker 3: You don't see that like in a lot of business,
Speaker 3: not in just like cannabis, but a lot of business.
Speaker 3: You don't see it as much anymore.
Speaker 5: And when you do.
Speaker 3: See that, it just shows that love and care shows
Speaker 3: the quality product. So we definitely want to do that.
Speaker 3: But yes, we have a final question that we ask
Speaker 3: every guest on. So imagine you're breaking up some weed
Speaker 3: out of a grinder and all of a sudden, a
Speaker 3: Ganza Genie pops out and grants you one wish that
Speaker 3: you could you could change anything in the cannabis industry.
Speaker 5: What would you what would you wish for one wish?
Speaker 5: I love that, and you.
Speaker 2: Can't one wish and you can't wish wishes right right right?
Speaker 2: My wish would be for people I know exactly. I
Speaker 2: was going to say that as a smart ass response,
Speaker 2: but you know, my wish is that that cannabis would
Speaker 2: be available to everybody, whether it was for medical or recreational,
Speaker 2: no matter if it was CBD, CBG, THHC, doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what the fuck it is. I just wish that everybody
Speaker 2: could get it at at at quality prices, like spending
Speaker 2: twenty five dollars on an ounce like we did back
Speaker 2: in the seventies, you know, buying if you need a pound,
Speaker 2: you spend a few hundred dollars. Things like that, And
Speaker 2: unfortunately a lot of a lot of girls don't like
Speaker 2: caring that because they have to grow more money. That's
Speaker 2: why I want everybody to grow their own. You could
Speaker 2: grow your own in a closet in the middle of Detroit.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't need to go from everywhere.
Speaker 3: Absolutely true. That's a great response there, and I couldn't
Speaker 3: agree more. I wish everyone could grow their own and
Speaker 3: everyone should have access to it. And I love how
Speaker 3: you late you dropped some of the cannon mad CBD
Speaker 3: and CBG. I wish there were some more CBG flower
Speaker 3: out there, higher doses of it for myself personally, and
Speaker 3: that'd be sweet.
Speaker 5: But Dirk, I want to say.
Speaker 3: Thank you again for coming on and joining us and
Speaker 3: giving us great insight into the journey of Lost Coast
Speaker 3: plant therapy.
Speaker 4: Check out their website, check out their socials all over
Speaker 4: Lost Coast Plant there.
Speaker 3: We can't wait to chop this up again and it
Speaker 3: will be happening soon and continue to great efforts into
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. Are you guys going out to the
Speaker 3: mg biscon this year?
Speaker 5: Real quick?
Speaker 2: We are only because I met you guys. We only watch.
Speaker 2: We don't go there. It's not our purview. And the
Speaker 2: kids were like, what was it like this year? You know?
Speaker 2: Would I go? Who? Do you think? Mike cana cast
Speaker 2: was the main reason that we we went out for
Speaker 2: our quality, quality horticulture. Who's distributing in Canada. That's the
Speaker 2: reason we went there. But that was fun, but it
Speaker 2: was meeting you guys. I love the ship out of
Speaker 2: you guys, and I can't wait to come see you
Speaker 2: face to face again. Maybe we will do it before mjbizzz.
Speaker 2: Are you guys coming out to mjbizz.
Speaker 3: Yes, we'll be out. We'll be out in Vegas December,
Speaker 3: for sure. We're always out there. Say there's too much.
Speaker 3: There's so many people in the industry there and for us,
Speaker 3: it's just great connections and we set stuff like we did.
Speaker 5: We would't have met you, Derek, and we've been able
Speaker 5: to build this relationship well. And I know.
Speaker 2: When you come out this next time, we're going to
Speaker 2: take you to a really fine restaurant. You guys are
Speaker 2: gonna love it. And you better do that because I
Speaker 2: now I'm gonna submit that we will come to m
Speaker 2: J bizigan this year. We weren't sure about it, but
Speaker 2: if you guys are coming done, we'll be there and again,
Speaker 2: you guys, let me know more schwag for you our
Speaker 2: friends or give it out. I would be more than
Speaker 2: willing to do that, And don't you dare fucking buy
Speaker 2: our product. If you buy a product and I find
Speaker 2: out your dead meat. So please let me send you
Speaker 2: something out, Okay, anytime anything you need.
Speaker 3: I need, I'll need something. And then maybe we'll give
Speaker 3: you a call. Maybe we'll do a giveaway with some
Speaker 3: of your product or something.
Speaker 2: And I love that.
Speaker 5: Let's do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't even need to talk about my product.
Speaker 2: You just go, hey, we got this to give out.
Speaker 2: That's fine. Gay hats being these courts, things like that,
Speaker 2: because that's I'd love to do that.
Speaker 6: Perfect.
Speaker 3: Perfect Again, thank you for joining us, direk. I'm excited
Speaker 3: to uh have you back and learn more about Lost Coast.
Speaker 3: But as always, groovy we're here to advocate, educate, and
Speaker 3: inspire the next time y'all.
Speaker 2: Peace, Love you guys,