Speaker 1: All right, so you're just gonna rub it in, So
Speaker 1: you're gonna use the one example of a band I
Speaker 1: like when I was sixteen that has an age.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what you're doing here.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: That was the theme that we we were talking about.
Speaker 4: I actually kind of liked Blues Traveler. I know they
Speaker 4: they got some interesting sound, some corny stuff in there
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 2: What's the is it? Kingpin to the movie Collen Brothers.
Speaker 2: Excellent movie. That may be part of it. But yeah,
Speaker 2: actually I actually kind of.
Speaker 1: Like well Forward Tour nineteen ninety four, Dave Matthews Band,
Speaker 1: Fish Almond Brothers, they were all there, and Blues Traveler
Speaker 1: was the headline.
Speaker 2: You know, that's how big they were in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 4: I would have spent a lot of money to be
Speaker 4: at that show.
Speaker 1: It was a good show man, all right. Time for
Speaker 1: the voice. You know what that means? Bill Riley Tuesday Afternoon,
Speaker 1: Ryle's Happy Tuesday?
Speaker 2: Sir?
Speaker 3: How are you can I give you blue a couple
Speaker 3: of Blues Traveler stories?
Speaker 2: Please do?
Speaker 3: I paid three dollars in college at the Bottleneck and
Speaker 3: Lawrence to see Blues Traveler, and then also in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety God nineteen. Nineteen ninety five, Blues Traveler was the
Speaker 3: headline band at the Lakewood Amphitheater at Atlanta, and Dave
Speaker 3: Matthews opened for Blues Traveler in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how big they were. Man, that's how big
Speaker 1: they were. They were massive. Porter posed a question to
Speaker 1: me earlier last week, which is, how has my music
Speaker 1: in the nineties aged to this day?
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: Uh, it's funny you say this. When I was flying
Speaker 3: to Orlando the other day, I had kind of a
Speaker 3: nineties hits channel on. I was listening a little Big
Speaker 3: Head Todd in The Monsters I had. I had the
Speaker 3: Gin Blossoms radio going, Hey will I will stand on
Speaker 3: the gin Blossoms Mountain and die on top of the gym.
Speaker 3: They had some bangers in the nineties. I like Big
Speaker 3: Head Todd the Monsters. I think the nineties has aged. Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe not the greatest music decade, but I'm all on
Speaker 3: board with it. How about you?
Speaker 1: I'm on board. I just love that you just use
Speaker 1: the term bangers. Ryle's I appreciate that. I mean, I
Speaker 1: at least at least you didn't say that it slaps.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing that the kids say, right, you hah,
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 3: But I think the nineties it's been okay. I think
Speaker 3: it's aged. Okay, but you know, I'm old, as you've
Speaker 3: said for you know, twenty years. I'm old.
Speaker 1: I've apologized, Okay, I've seen the the the errors of
Speaker 1: my ways because you're not that much older than I am.
Speaker 1: All right, But it was a fun bit back in
Speaker 1: the Bill and Spence days. But now that I'm aging,
Speaker 1: I feel bad.
Speaker 2: Bill.
Speaker 3: But we still love Shep like he's a little brother.
Speaker 2: Right, even though he's older.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's move over now, obviously to the news
Speaker 1: that broke prior to the show yesterday.
Speaker 2: About an hour before we started the show.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I get the alert that Craig has been
Speaker 1: relieved of his duties. So the timing is interesting, and
Speaker 1: you know, talking to some people, I'm sure you have
Speaker 1: as well about why exactly this went down when it
Speaker 1: went down, Bill, So what was your reaction when you're
Speaker 1: the news and why do you think they decided to
Speaker 1: do it?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: I was caught off guard, Spence. I was somewhere over
Speaker 3: West Texas, flying from Orlando to Tucson, and I had
Speaker 3: my WiFi on and I was doing some work and
Speaker 3: I just scrolled the old Twitter machine to check headlines,
Speaker 3: and I saw Jeff Goodman's story pop up, and then
Speaker 3: my phone began to be explode, you know, thirty three
Speaker 3: thousand feet. I was surprised by it. I mean, I
Speaker 3: was just the timing of it caught me off guard.
Speaker 3: I don't know that you're ever fully expecting that something
Speaker 3: like that in season, But you know, I think you know,
Speaker 3: to your other the other part of the question, I
Speaker 3: think it was just probably the full body of four
Speaker 3: years of work and maybe the overall trajectory of the
Speaker 3: program would be my guests and maybe a little maybe
Speaker 3: not as much consistency as they would have maybe liked to,
Speaker 3: would be my guests on why the move was made.
Speaker 1: So ultimately, there's always he's a personal side to these things.
Speaker 1: There's always an element of how this affects people that
Speaker 1: I think we tend to ignore in the media because
Speaker 1: our job is to cover the story. But look, you know,
Speaker 1: my father wasn't a coach, but he was an executive
Speaker 1: and we uprooted multiple times throughout his career, and that's
Speaker 1: just the deal. You get into this industry and you
Speaker 1: take these jobs oftentimes knowing that you're going to be fired.
Speaker 2: You're hired to fire to get fired.
Speaker 1: They are very very few coaches, executives, or even players
Speaker 1: that have a super long run in one spot.
Speaker 2: It's just a transient existence.
Speaker 1: And I think Craig's a really good man, and I
Speaker 1: do think, you know, when it comes to his ability
Speaker 1: to drop game plans.
Speaker 2: I think he did a good job this year.
Speaker 1: My opinion is the talent on this roster, but you
Speaker 1: know it wasn't necessarily up to par. They were picked
Speaker 1: to finish last, and I actually thought he did a
Speaker 1: good job coaching up a roster that was a little
Speaker 1: bit void in talent at times juxtaposed to who they
Speaker 1: were playing against. So you have a front row to
Speaker 1: all these games, all these seats. What do you have
Speaker 1: to say about the job he did just as a coach.
Speaker 3: But to your point, first and foremost, Craig Smith, for
Speaker 3: the three and a half almost four years I've worked
Speaker 3: with him, has been awesome to me, the same way
Speaker 3: Larry Christoviac was before that. So you'll hear no Craig
Speaker 3: Smith slander from me at all. He is a great guy,
Speaker 3: excellent human being and to your point too, I think
Speaker 3: he's a good basketball coach as well. Yeah, did they
Speaker 3: outperform with their preseason expected at least to this point
Speaker 3: what their preseason expectations were, Yes, because when you're pick sixteenth,
Speaker 3: there's nowhere to go but up. But kind of going
Speaker 3: back to what where we were before that, I think
Speaker 3: it's just kind of the overall big picture trajectory, and
Speaker 3: you know the fact that the program hasn't been an
Speaker 3: NCUBLEA tournament program in almost ten seasons, nine seasons. This year,
Speaker 3: unless they make some sort of miraculous run you know
Speaker 3: in Kansas City, it's likely to be another year without
Speaker 3: the NC Double A. And I think, you know, Mark
Speaker 3: Harlan and probably Taylor Randall above him, because you don't
Speaker 3: make moves like this without, you know, alerting your boss,
Speaker 3: who's the boss of everything. I think they're both big
Speaker 3: basketball guys, and I think the men's basketball is important
Speaker 3: to them and what's going on at the you and
Speaker 3: I think that they probably looked at the big picture
Speaker 3: trajectory and maybe said it just wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1: So tell me about Josh Eilert, my man's about to
Speaker 1: coach at michale I mean, goodness, gracious, dude, Like, and
Speaker 1: you know it's going to be a grumpy Arizona group
Speaker 1: based off of what happened with them against BYU. So
Speaker 1: tell us about this interim head coach and what are
Speaker 1: you expecting tomorrow night in a really, really tough place
Speaker 1: to play.
Speaker 3: Well, the good news for Utah is Josh Eilert's been
Speaker 3: in this position before because he was the interim head
Speaker 3: coach last year at West Virginia, so he had to
Speaker 3: make the rounds in the Big twelve last year when
Speaker 3: Bob Huggins was let go at West Virginia and he
Speaker 3: wrote the title of interim head coach much of the
Speaker 3: year last year. He's well liked by the guys. The
Speaker 3: team likes him a lot. He knows the league. He's
Speaker 3: been part of most of the game plans this year
Speaker 3: and the scouts this year. So I think, you know,
Speaker 3: it's never it's never optimal to have to name somebody
Speaker 3: an interim head coach inside a season after a move
Speaker 3: like this has made. But if anybody's up for the
Speaker 3: task and can do it, it's Josh because he was
Speaker 3: in the same position at West Virginia year ago. But
Speaker 3: to your point, too, Arizona is going to be an
Speaker 3: angry bunch after what happened to them on Saturday against
Speaker 3: BYU down here in Tucson. So you know, it's been
Speaker 3: a tough week, certainly, but it's not going to get
Speaker 3: any easier tomorrow night on the court at McHale, for sure.
Speaker 2: Do you have a feel at all? Bill?
Speaker 1: And we had Sean on earlier and he referenced the
Speaker 1: players were going to fly in, so maybe you haven't
Speaker 1: had a chance to kick the tires. But you know,
Speaker 1: I would imagine that a lot of these young men,
Speaker 1: and I don't know this because there are people pontificating
Speaker 1: on the possibility of did you make this decision right
Speaker 1: now based off of some players that may be unhappy
Speaker 1: that you want back next year. But my guest would
Speaker 1: be most of these guys are bummed out that they
Speaker 1: just lost their head coach.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's different than in the pros.
Speaker 1: You know that your coach is hired to be fired,
Speaker 1: and you don't sign necessarily only play for a coach.
Speaker 1: In college, you know, when you're recruited, your parents are
Speaker 1: trusting this person to take care of you, and you sign,
Speaker 1: oftentimes to play for the guy that recruited you, So
Speaker 1: any context or idea of how these players have reacted
Speaker 1: to what has to be tough news for at least
Speaker 1: some of them.
Speaker 3: No, I haven't seen them yet, kind of like Sean,
Speaker 3: we're both down here in Tucson. They're scheduled to arrive
Speaker 3: a little bit later on this afternoon, so I'll have
Speaker 3: a better feel tonight and tomorrow when I'm at shoot
Speaker 3: around and around them a little bit. But to your point,
Speaker 3: I think you're probably right. I think there's probably a
Speaker 3: little bit of surprise and some shock and probably a
Speaker 3: little disappointment, because you know, when you come to play
Speaker 3: at a school, no matter what the school is, whether
Speaker 3: it's Duke or Kansas or Yukon or Utah, you're you're
Speaker 3: you know you're you're coming to go to the school. Sure,
Speaker 3: but you're coming because you've committed to a coach and
Speaker 3: a staff. So I'm sure those guys were a little
Speaker 3: caught off and and a little bit a little bit
Speaker 3: disappointed by what happened. But you know, now now you
Speaker 3: rally up and see what you can do, and you know,
Speaker 3: if your competitors, you want to go out there no
Speaker 3: matter who's coaching you and see what you can do
Speaker 3: against Arizona. So, like I said, I don't have a
Speaker 3: feel for where those guys are right now, but probably
Speaker 3: will later today or tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of these decisions are made above
Speaker 1: your pay grade, and if there's anything you just want
Speaker 1: to straight punt on, please let me know. But do
Speaker 1: you think Josh has a chance to coach his way
Speaker 1: into this job?
Speaker 3: I don't that that. I don't know, uh, just because
Speaker 3: like you said, it's above my pay grade, and I
Speaker 3: don't know what kind of conversations they may have had
Speaker 3: with Josh, so I can't. I just I don't feel
Speaker 3: comfortable in my position, just not knowing and again having
Speaker 3: been kind of out of the pocket down here in Orlando,
Speaker 3: or Orlando, Orlando and Tucson. Make a comment on the coaching,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of the direction where they're going to go.
Speaker 3: You know, there's been a lot of names thrown around
Speaker 3: out there, and you know, if you read there, you
Speaker 3: know you can probably make cases for a lot of
Speaker 3: that stuff. But I just I don't have a feel
Speaker 3: for it, so I don't feel real comfortable talking about it.
Speaker 2: Did you attend the Magic Kingdom and did you wear
Speaker 2: Mickey ears.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I did not, And I think you and
Speaker 3: I have had this conversation about adults who go to
Speaker 3: Disney parks by themselves. It's very odd and off putting.
Speaker 1: There's so many things I want to say right now,
Speaker 1: but yes, you and I are on the same page.
Speaker 2: And look, let's just stick here for a moment.
Speaker 1: It's strictly budgetary, okay, Like the amount of money that
Speaker 1: you're spending to do this. You could go to Hawaii,
Speaker 1: you could go to Europe, Like, why is it saving
Speaker 1: the cash to ride? You know, it's a small world.
Speaker 1: For the seventy fifth time, it doesn't make sense to.
Speaker 3: Me, It makes no I mean I took my kids
Speaker 3: when they were younger. We had a good time. But
Speaker 3: that's what you kind of take one for the team
Speaker 3: when you're a parent and you get that experience and
Speaker 3: then you then you move on. So I did not
Speaker 3: visit Epcot or the Magic Kingdom when in Orlando, or
Speaker 3: did I visit the uh the the old Magic Home
Speaker 3: either what's what I don't even know what it's called
Speaker 3: these days. It used to be uh guess it was
Speaker 3: like it was one of those MLMs that that was
Speaker 3: big in the nineties. They had the name of the arena,
Speaker 3: but we were way at UCF's West sixty by the way,
Speaker 3: sixty thousand students at UCS. It's the second biggest campus
Speaker 3: in the country.
Speaker 1: Wow, I did not know that, all right, Moving from
Speaker 1: one Josh to another, Josh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Did you have a chance to listen to Josh Grant
Speaker 2: on the show yesterday?
Speaker 3: I didn't. I was flying when he was on, but
Speaker 3: I heard I heard he was. He was. He was
Speaker 3: quite passionate in his in his desire for what he
Speaker 3: was looking for in the next head coach.
Speaker 1: Yes, he was very salient, he was very clear eyed,
Speaker 1: He was very direct and even said that he was
Speaker 1: very excited that the news came down when it did.
Speaker 1: And it leads to a conversation Bill just philosophically, because ultimately,
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to historically speaking, the way
Speaker 1: that college coaches the profession works. And one of the
Speaker 1: things I love about March Madness is seeing a coach
Speaker 1: that coaches a smaller school into the NCAA tournament, winning
Speaker 1: a game or two, and his life changes immediately, and
Speaker 1: the life of his family changes immediately because he gets
Speaker 1: this great opportunity to triple quadruple his salary and take
Speaker 1: over a bigger program. And there there's a group of
Speaker 1: options right now, coaches that are coaching at quote unquote
Speaker 1: smaller schools that have done a great job that seems
Speaker 1: to indicate that they are next in line to get
Speaker 1: an opportunity like coaching in the Big twelve at the
Speaker 1: University of Utah. Now, the names on that list are
Speaker 1: not necessary early names that people around here are probably
Speaker 1: all that familiar with. You're talking about UC San Diego,
Speaker 1: Eric Olson, You're talking about Nico Medvet at Colorado State,
Speaker 1: Eric Henderson South Dakota State, Leon Rice at Boise, UC Irvine,
Speaker 1: Russell Turner. And this is a list that's put together
Speaker 1: by Jeff Borzello, who covers college basketball for ESPN.
Speaker 2: So that's one route for Mark to take.
Speaker 1: Now you could argue that he just took that route
Speaker 1: with Craig being at Utah State after South Dakota State
Speaker 1: and then rising up the ranks. And then the other
Speaker 1: route is the route people around here talking about, and
Speaker 1: that essentially is Alex Jensen as the head coach. Potentially
Speaker 1: Andre Miller is coaching the G League as an assistant
Speaker 1: or Johnny Bryant, who's an associate head coach for a
Speaker 1: really good basketball team in the pros with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Speaker 1: So just thirty thousand foot viewpoint, what's the voice's take
Speaker 1: on just kind of the direction you think this thing
Speaker 1: will go?
Speaker 3: Again, back to what I'm saying before, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: But what you have to look get when you're making
Speaker 3: this decision now is I don't think either path spence
Speaker 3: is a bad path to take, because as you said,
Speaker 3: there's good options on both of those paths. But what
Speaker 3: you have to look at, especially in particular with Utah
Speaker 3: right now, is who's going to be able to come
Speaker 3: in and, you know, get kind of jumpstart the program
Speaker 3: and get it back to where the expectation is and
Speaker 3: the expectation and I think Mark said this in his
Speaker 3: release yesterday, was to compete in a regular basis in
Speaker 3: the NCAA tournament, to compete at a high level in
Speaker 3: the Big twelve, turn in the Big Twelve Conference. You know,
Speaker 3: who's the guy that gives you the best chance to
Speaker 3: do that. At the same time, you know Utah, you know,
Speaker 3: the interest in Utah men's basketball has been down a
Speaker 3: little bit, So who's somebody that could come in and
Speaker 3: connect with the fan base a little bit. And then
Speaker 3: the third component is who's somebody that in today's day
Speaker 3: and age, can work in the nil world and you know,
Speaker 3: whatever that budget had happens to be work within those
Speaker 3: parameters and make it work to your program's best you know,
Speaker 3: best ability. And again, there might be guys at that
Speaker 3: at that Mountain West you know, big West West Coast
Speaker 3: conference level that could do it. There might be guys
Speaker 3: that haven't had that college experience, but you've got to
Speaker 3: find the guy. And also, can you build a staff,
Speaker 3: because in today's day and age, you have to have
Speaker 3: the head coach. We know this. It's not like when
Speaker 3: Rick was here. You know, football and all these sports.
Speaker 3: The head coaches are CEOs now. So you've got to
Speaker 3: find a guy who you think can also build a
Speaker 3: staff and surround himself with good people because the job
Speaker 3: of a head coach is so much more intricate and
Speaker 3: complicated now. You're more of a CEO. You're still coaching,
Speaker 3: but you have lots of other duties now, So who's
Speaker 3: the guy that could best do that? And that's what
Speaker 3: you know, Mark and his search committee's challenge is going
Speaker 3: to be I.
Speaker 1: Do think, and I talked about this with Sean earlier.
Speaker 1: I am not a you got to win the press
Speaker 1: conference guy, Like watch Nick Sirianni's opening presser for the
Speaker 1: Eagles and you're like, dude, can even can he string
Speaker 1: a sentence together?
Speaker 2: They just want a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: All that matters is the long game at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, and somebody coming in here that can
Speaker 1: recapture past glory in his own way in the modern
Speaker 1: day and age of college basketball, because there's no going back.
Speaker 1: You've got to look to the future. And even invoking
Speaker 1: the name of Rick mcjeris is unfair because that was
Speaker 1: a tremendous run. But it shouldn't just scare people away
Speaker 1: from having that standard around here. This is a proud
Speaker 1: basketball state, it's a proud basketball market. And while my
Speaker 1: initial reaction was sadness for Craig and his family, because
Speaker 1: I know what that's like, my secondary reaction was, Okay,
Speaker 1: somebody up there finally said this is not good enough, okay,
Speaker 1: and we need to change our standards for what our
Speaker 1: basketball team is. There's no reason that you can't be
Speaker 1: both a basketball and a football school. Ask Auburn, ask Alabama.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're Florida. We could keep going. And for
Speaker 1: too long this has been kind of branded. No, you're
Speaker 1: a football school. Now you can be Oh, Bill, don't
Speaker 1: you think I mean it's not an unreasonable expectation.
Speaker 3: You should that should be the goal should absolutely be
Speaker 3: both of those things. And again, the standard is different today,
Speaker 3: but it's not different, meaning your standard should always be
Speaker 3: to compete at the highest level. To be in the
Speaker 3: school like Utah, with the resources it has and the
Speaker 3: support and the tradition that has, shouldn't be going nine
Speaker 3: and ten years without being in an NCAA tournament. And
Speaker 3: I think that's what Mark and the powers that be
Speaker 3: at the you have said. You know, they want to
Speaker 3: do everything they can do to reset that standard, to
Speaker 3: get it back and make sure basketball is a top priority. Yeah,
Speaker 3: football is the big dog on every campus. It is.
Speaker 3: We know that from a financial standpoint. But you just
Speaker 3: rattle off three or four schools that are succeeding at
Speaker 3: a very high level in both and yes, you can
Speaker 3: absolutely do that. That's what the expectations should be. And
Speaker 3: I don't you know when fans used don't you should
Speaker 3: want to have the standard that was in the Majeris era.
Speaker 3: That's fine. Just don't think that the best style of
Speaker 3: basketball and the way it was back then is coming back.
Speaker 3: Because the game in collegiate athletics has changed over the
Speaker 3: last twenty five years, but the standard really shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with you, So back to the whole. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't really think you have to win the press
Speaker 1: conference all the time. I do think in this case,
Speaker 1: this basketball community could use a little injection of life.
Speaker 1: And I do think an Alex Jensen Andre Miller bench.
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine walking into a gym with Andrea as
Speaker 1: your assistant coach, Like, that's instant credibility, that's instant respect.
Speaker 1: And I would imagine if that's the direction, and we
Speaker 1: won't know for a little while, phones would ring off
Speaker 1: the hook up there at the basketball office for season
Speaker 1: ticket deposits. So what are your thoughts on just kind
Speaker 1: of that dynamic, interjecting some juice based off of names
Speaker 1: that we're familiar with around here. If that's the direction,
Speaker 1: what do you think the effect would be on the community.
Speaker 3: Well, I think if that were the case that people
Speaker 3: would would just they would love it. Again, that would
Speaker 3: be a connection back to the bygone days. But it's
Speaker 3: people that they you know, that they've they've known for
Speaker 3: a long time. And again that's that's another component of
Speaker 3: all this spense. It's not just you know, it's not
Speaker 3: just it's re engaging your fans and making your fans
Speaker 3: excited to come to the John M. Huntsman Center again,
Speaker 3: excited to talk about Utah basketball again. You know, the
Speaker 3: program has not been in the dumps. It hasn't. It's
Speaker 3: been solid, but it hasn't been to the standard where
Speaker 3: where fans and and folks that run the department want
Speaker 3: it to be. But if you had that kind of
Speaker 3: connection to a bygone era, I think it just it's
Speaker 3: kind of the cherry on top if you will, and
Speaker 3: really would re engage a lot of fans.
Speaker 1: I've got one football question for it. But before we
Speaker 1: get there, final basketball question. How much of this I
Speaker 1: don't know rising juggernaut. I guess I'll say that they're
Speaker 1: building down in Provo. At least that seems to be
Speaker 1: the case, with the number one player in the country
Speaker 1: there now next year, to seven figure players on Kevin's
Speaker 1: roster this year, and then a massive economic investment on
Speaker 1: the bench with not just a former pro as your
Speaker 1: head coach, but pro assistant coaches, strength and conditioning, nutrition
Speaker 1: is how much of what they're building down at BYU
Speaker 1: do you think motivated folks up here to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we've got to start making sure that we can at
Speaker 1: least compete and keep up with what they're doing down south.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Again, not being in those meetings, I don't know that.
Speaker 3: But what I do know is you never want to
Speaker 3: fall behind your rival. You never want your perception to
Speaker 3: be that you're behind your rival. So to whatever extent
Speaker 3: that would be, I don't know, but you always if
Speaker 3: your rival is doing something, you want to be able
Speaker 3: to keep up or do better. So I think I
Speaker 3: don't know if that was a factor in any of this,
Speaker 3: but yeah, nobody wants to look forty miles down the
Speaker 3: road or one hundred miles down the road wherever your
Speaker 3: rival happens to be and see that they're thriving and
Speaker 3: your or you know you're struggling.
Speaker 2: All right before I set you loose.
Speaker 1: Brant Keithy Karen read junior TOFUNA, currently at the NFL
Speaker 1: Scout Scouting Combine as the guy that called all their games.
Speaker 2: Got to know him? What kind of pros. Do you
Speaker 2: think these youths are going to.
Speaker 3: Be Well, the chief thing is interesting just because the health,
Speaker 3: I mean, how healthy is he? Don't I don't know
Speaker 3: what his draft stock is going to be only because
Speaker 3: but again, the combine and then the individual workouts can
Speaker 3: certainly help. I think Karenni Read and Junior Tafuna are
Speaker 3: going to be pros. I mean, I think Karenni is
Speaker 3: going to be one of those guys. If he's not
Speaker 3: a starting linebacker, he's going to be a guy that's
Speaker 3: in a linebacker rotation, play special teams. And I think
Speaker 3: Junior could be the same thing along a defensive line.
Speaker 3: I think both those guys are our pro players, probably
Speaker 3: have a five to seven to eight year career. And
Speaker 3: with Kiethy, it's just hard to predict because of the
Speaker 3: injury situation. But we know Brandt's athleticism and his ability
Speaker 3: at the position. I mean, he's not a traditional tight end.
Speaker 3: He's not that inline blocking guy, but he's a guy
Speaker 3: that's really good in the open field. He's got really
Speaker 3: good hands, and I think he'll be on somebody's roster
Speaker 3: if he stays healthy.
Speaker 1: All right, Ryles, Well, thanks for the time, man. Safe travels,
Speaker 1: safe travels, have a great call. Tomorrow night, Tomorrow night,
Speaker 1: Thanks buddy, Thanks man.