Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. If you listen to the DOJ and the
Trump administration, they'll tell you that they're the most transparent
administration and DOJ in the history of the country, and
that as far as Jeffrey Epstein goes, there's nothing left
to see here and it's time to just move on.
And in fact, the whole entire thing is nothing but
a hoax. But at the same time, the DOJ and
the administration is not only with holding files that are
related to President Trump, they're deleting files that have already
been released that are related to President Trump. And if
you're wondering why people are calling it a cover up,
this is why the DOJ and the administration. They're not
doing themselves any favors. Every time you turn around, it
looks like they're advancing their cover up a little bit
further and laughing at us the whole entire time. So
in this episode, we're going to dive into an article
from NPR discussing how these files have been withheld and
some of them removed. Headline Justice Department withheld and removed
some Epstein files related to Trump. This article was authored
by Stephen Fowler. The Justice Department has withheld some Epstein
files related to allegations that President Trump sexually abused a minor,
an NPR investigation finds. It also removed some documents from
the public database where accusations against Jeffrey Epstein also mentioned Trump. Now, look,
I've said from the jump that we haven't seen any
real evidence here anything that would hold up in court
that point us to Bill Clinton or Donald Trump actually
engaging in abuse. Now, there have been some allegations against
Trump that have been made, and frankly, I don't trust
the FBI when they say they investigated, because how can
you at this point. But that said, it's about what
we can prove in court, and certainly there's nothing here
that we've seen so far that we could use in
court and say, hey, look so and so was doing
this at this time, at this place, to this person.
But there's certainly a bunch of allegations, and there is
no way that those allegations should be hidden, especially if
it's a court case, a court document, something that was
you know, set under oath, or if it was a
statement given to the police or the FBI. Certainly something
that should be looked at. Now, does that mean I
believe everything that comes in most certainly not. I've told
you from the beginning, not the fall for side quests,
but the DOJ and Donald Trump himself, they're not doing
themselves any favors when they hide documents, when they pull
things down, all you do is further the suspicion, right,
because the biggest problem for Trump right now is that
this is an act of cover up. And how many
times have we seen people go down for the cover
up instead of the crime. So that's certainly something that
Donald Trump needs to keep in mind and everybody in
the administration honestly, because if you think that this is
going away and that questions aren't going to be asked
of people that we're in the middle of this, during
this cover up, you're crazy. This is only just beginning.
And I know that Donald Trump and the administration and
all the stands want it to be over and want
us to move on, but we're not going to. Some
files have not been made public despite a law mandating
their release. These include what appears to be more than
fifty pages of FBI interviews and notes from conversations with
a woman who accused Trump a sexual abuse decades ago
when she was a minor. Well, according to the law,
that should be released. Her name should be redacted, and
it should be released. But the DOJ thinks they can
do whatever they want. Oh well, just you know, go
in here and we'll get rid of Trump's name every
single place we possibly can. Did they think they were
going to get away with that? No, they knew they wouldn't.
They didn't care. That's what it comes down to. And
I think that's what makes me so mad. These mforts
are literally looking us in the face and given us
the double middle finger. MPR reviewed multiple sets of unique
serial numbers appearing before and after the pages in question
stamped onto the documents in the Epstein database, FBI case records, emails,
and discovery document logs in the latest tranch of documents
published at the end of January. MPR's investigation found dozens
of pages that appear to be cataloged by the Justice
Department but not shared publicly. And they'll have some explanation, right, Oh,
it's national security. Oh we couldn't tell you about this
or that. But that's not what the law says. And
at some point the people who decided to do this
are going to be held accountable. The Justice Department declined
to answer NPR's questions on the record about these specific files,
what's in them and why they're not published? Oh, why
would they Why would they give you any kind of
inside book, especially in the middle of a cover up.
The last thing they want to do is talk about it.
Other file scrub from public view pertaining to a separate
woman who was a key witness for the prosecution in
the criminal trial of Epstein's co conspirator, Glenn Maxwell, who
is serving a twenty year prison sentence for sex trafficking.
Maxwell is seeking clemency from Trump. What I thought would
never happen probably will now, with the way Trump is
going and how there is some support for his nonsense
amongst his most ardent supporters, I wouldn't be shocked to
see Trump release Glenn Maxwell, followed directly by a PR
campaign by the very same people who were given those
white binders. That's the kind of life we're living, that's
the kind of reality that we're living in. And these
people are shameless. How many of those people that got
those binders give a goddamn about any of this? How
many of them have ever talked to any of the survivors,
have read court documents, have done anything that would warrant
them being given those binders in the first place. And
I told you at the time it was a sy op.
I knew it was the beginning of the end. And
those will be the people that come out the loudest,
the strongest, and with the most passion in their voices
to defend Donald Trump. If he pardons Glenn Maxwell, and
I wouldn't even be shocked to see Glen Maxwell hit
the circuit and get on the podcast Benny Johnson's new
co host Glenn Maxwell. It would be fitting right, Or
maybe Glean Maxwell can head out with Nick Shirley on
his next investigation. And I'm only half kidding when I
say that some of those documents were briefly taken down
and put back online last week, while others remain hidden.
According dan PR's comparison of initial data set from January
thirtieth with document metadata of those files currently on the
Justice Department's website does not name victims of sexual abuse.
Well that's a good idea. Maybe the DOJ should take
some notes from MPR. When asked for comment about the
missing pages and the accusations against the president. A White
House spokeswoman told MPR that Trump has done more for
Epstein victims than anyone before him. Yo, this is just
too much. What exactly has Donald Trump done? I mean,
he sent out Luna to drop a hand grenade in
the middle of everything and call all the survivors traffickers.
And she still hasn't clarified her statement yet. She's out
here talking all kinds of crazy about this. That the
other thing, she has no idea what she's talking about.
Then again, we shouldn't expect anything from somebody who thinks
that there is quote unquote interdimensional beings that are aliens,
literally what she believes. But sure she's gonna get us
to the Promised Land when it comes to Epstein and
this investigation. It's truly bizarre. This lady has no idea
what she's even talking about, and she's out here framing
everybody as a human trafficker. And she made those comments
not on the congressional floor, So she opens herself up
to a lawsuit if these survivors want a sewer, and
they'll tell you what. If I was a survivor, I'd
think about it. Because her commentary has led to a
bunch of morons running with it and saying a bunch
of reckless bullshit, just as President Trump has said he's
been totally exonerated on anything relating to Epstein, White House
spokeswoman Abigail Jackson told NPR in a statement, you know,
if you believe that you're dumb as the day is long,
all Trump has done is implicate himself in the cover up.
Is Abigail Jackson? Okay? Did she fall and hit her
head before giving this interview? Was she hanging out in
the sauna with Hillbilly Vanilli? I mean Kid Rock and RFK,
rocking some jeans and taking a dip. Because I don't
know where you come up this kind of ludicrous statement
unless you're suffering from CTE. And by releasing thousands of
pages of documents, cooperating with the House Oversight Committee subpoena request,
signing the Epstein Files Transparency Act, and calling for more
investigations into Epstein's Democrat friends, President Trump has done more
for Epstein's victims than anyone before him. Meanwhile, Democrats like
Aqim Jeffries and Stacey Plaskett have yet to explain why
they were soliciting money and meetings from Epstein after he
was a convicted ZEX defender. Well, she's not wrong about that.
Stacy Plaskett needs to answer some questions. I mean, there's
no doubt that Stacy Plaskett and Jeffrey Epstein were very
close and that Jeffrey Epstein was giving her a ton
of money. And that's just reality, folks. So it has
to be uniform, right, if we're going to go after
one person, everybody, every single person that was involved, every
person that enabled this, every co conspirator, and everybody covering
it up, all those people have to be and I
assure you nobody has been exonerated. The White House has
previously appointed to a statement from the Justice Department that
says Epstein files contain untrue and sensationalist claims about the President. Well, yeah,
I'm sure there are some, no doubt about it. Donald
Trump isn't you know, Satan himself, And this isn't all
about Donald Trump. But the cover up portion is he's
the one behind the sticks, right, He's in control of
this whole cover up. And in my opinion, that's gonna
be Donald Trump's undoing when all is said and done,
and there's a real investigation into this, there is no
doubt that it's gonna find that this has been covered up.
But make no mistake, this isn't just Trump's cover up.
This goes all the way back to Clinton. Clinton knew
what Jeffrey Epstein was. I don't care what he says now,
we can't prove that, but he knew. Maria Farmer told
everybody in ninety six. So don't tell me they didn't know.
They knew, they didn't care. That's what it comes down to,
and that's my biggest problem. The federal government has never
done the right thing here. They've never stepped up, they've
never investigated, and they've never held anyone accountable. So nobody,
including President Trump, is exonerated. In a letter to members
of Congress on February fourteenth, first reported by Politico, Attorney
General Pambondi and Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche insists that
no records were withheld or redacted on the basis of embarrassment,
reputational harm, or political sensitivity, including to any government official,
public figure, or foreign dignitary, which is a lie. Like
they just continue to lie to us at this huge clip,
and there's no repercussions. Nobody can do anything, nobody can
stop them, and they just have unchecked power, I guess,
And I know people don't want to hear that shit,
but it's true. Not only are they breaking the law,
they're laughing at us. In the last two weeks, as
lawmakers have begun to view unredacted copies of the Epstein files,
members of both parties have criticized the way the Trump
administration has handled the release of the files. They have
also continued to accuse the Justice Department of violating the
law and operating without transparency in redacting information. And I
think all of that's true. I think all of that's true.
And the fact that they keep hiding it and they
keep obfuscating the actual truth just adds more credence to
the fact that, in my opinion, this is nothing but
a giant cover up. According to the newly released files,
the FBI internally circulated Epstein related allegations I mentioned Trump
in late July and early August of twenty twenty five.
The list, collected from the FBI's National Threat Operation Center
included numerous salacious allegations. Agents mark most of the accusations
as unverifiable. Or not credible. And look, I'm sure the
vast majority were not verifiable or credible. I'm sure of it.
But why are you redacting the information? Why aren't you
releasing it to the American public. That's the question. That's
what the law called for, not for you to hide shit,
not for you to obfuscate, and not for you to
tell us what we can and can't see. But one
lead was sent to the FBI's Washington office with the
purpose of setting up an interview with the accuser. The
lead was included in an internal PowerPoint slide deck detailing
prominent names in the Epstein and Maxwell investigation last fall.
The woman who directly named Trump in her abuse allegation
claimed that around nineteen eighty three, when she was around thirteen,
Epstein introduced her to Trump, who subsequently forced her head
down to his exposed penis, which she subsequently bit. In
a response, Trump punched her in the head and kicked
her out. Now, look, I have no idea if any
of that's true, no clue. But what I will tell
you is this, if it's part of the files, we
should have seen it. There's no excuse for keeping that out.
Out of more than three million pages the files released
by the Justice Department in recent months. This specific allegation
against Trump only appears in copies of the FBI list
of claims and the DOJ slide show, But a review
of FBI case file logs and discovery documents turned over
to Maxwell and her attorneys in the criminal case against
her zero point to one place the claim could have
come from and how serious investigators took it. The FBI
interviewed this Trump and Epstein accuser four times. That is,
according to an FBI serial report and a list of
non testifying witness material in the Maxwell case that were
also released under the Epstein Files Transparency Act. Only the
first interview, conducted July twenty fourth, twenty nineteen, is in
the public database, and that interview doesn't name Trump. Of
fifteen documents listed in a log of the Maxwell discovery
material for the first accuser, only seven or in the
Epstein Files database. Those missing also include notes at a
company three of the interviews. The discrepancy in the file
for the Trump accuser was first reported by independent journalist
Roger Sallenberger. According Dan Prre's review of three different sets
of serial numbers stamped onto the files, there appear to
be fifty three pages of interview documents and notes missing
from the public Epstein database. Oh I wonder why. I
bet you if those documents named Bill Clinton, Oh, we'd
have them right. But since they named Donald Trump, forget it.
You can't even see it. In the first interview document,
the woman discussed ways Epstein abused her as a girl,
and in identifying him to investigators, showed a crop photo
of the disgraced financier. Her attorney said it was cropped
because she was concerned about implicating additional individuals, and specifically
any that were well known, due to fear of retaliation. Well, yeah,
that's been something that's been on the table. How many
of these women were retaliated against a whole lot? How
many of their lives ruined a whole lot? The FBI
agents noted it was a widely distributed photograph of Epstein
with Trump. A woman whose biographical details and descriptions of
Epstein's abuse found in the FBI interview also line up
with details from a victim lawsuit. In the December twenty
nineteen filing Jane do four does not mention Trump, and
the woman voluntarily dismissed her claims against Epstein's estate. In
December of twenty twenty one, attorneys for this accuser declined
to comment. So, look, is it verifiable? No? Is it
something that could have happened? Maybe, But I'd say that
this is one of those side quests. There's not enough here,
certainly not enough for us to dig our teeth into,
at least from the perspective of what the law allows.
But as far as the cover up, I think it
proves it. At the very least, it gives a lot
more ammunition. You have all these documents that are not
good for Trump, and they just magically disappear. They just
end up not in the file case. I mean, come on,
it's obvious that this is a cover up. Now, with
that said, there's a lot of slacious information in here
that is not verifiable and probably just not true. But
that's all part of the sy op. And I told
you that from the beginning you have to be able
to discern what's real and what might be fantasy. And
my suggestion is lock into the stuff that we can prove,
or the stuff where there's evidence that leads to a
certain destination, and then from there the walls will fall
in because people will start talking, people will start rolling,
and before you know it, you're getting to the meet
in the potatoes. But there's no doubt that a lot
of this is added as side quest missions to confuse
people and make people think that everything's just a bunch
of bs, and it's been very effective. There's a lot
of people that point to these kinds of allegations in
the Drop as evidence that everything inside this drop is bunk,
which is wild because as outlandish as this allegation might sound,
we don't know how it ended up. And that's because, well,
there's a cover up. So if people have questions and
people don't believe the official narrative, then that's cool too.
I get it. And that's also on the DOJ. They
created that nonsense when they tried to confuse people by
dumping all this stuff together and not giving any kind
of context about what's what. And they know that it
causes confusion, and that was the whole point, right to
confuse everybody and make it seem like this is just
absolutely asinine, that this is all just made up, and
like Trump said, it's a gigantic hoax. But I think
they've done the opposite, and I think the vast majority
of Americans have reached their tipping point. It's one thing
to lie to us about, you know, politics, It's another
thing to steal from us on a regular basis, like
every politician does. But this is a step too far.
Hurting children, hurting women, trafficking people, god knows what else,
and then covering it up. That's a step too far,
and I don't think the people are going to accept it.
Elsewhere in the release files, someone in the FBI wrote
on July twenty second, twenty twenty five, before the list
and slide presentation were compiled, that Trump's name was in
the larger case files and that one identified victim claimed
abuse by Trump but ultimately refused to cooperate. Well, I
wonder why is it that she wasn't telling the truth
or or was she intimidated. Well, that's out of the
realm of possibility dealing with these people. The other woman
who's mentioned a Trump made the DOJ's presentation appears in
maxwell discovery for files released last month in what's known
as Testifying Witness thirty five hundred material list. The first
interview of six with the FBI conducted between September twenty
nineteen and September twenty twenty one, the second woman detailed
how Epstein and Maxwell's abuse began while she was around
thirteen years old attending the Interlocan Center for the Arts,
and described how at one point Epstein took her to
Trump's mar Alago club to meet him. Epstein told Trump,
this is a good one, huh, the interviewer report reads.
In a twenty twenty lawsuit against Epstein's estate in Maxwell,
the second woman added that both men chuckled and she
felt uncomfortable, but at the time was too young to
understand why. So her testimony was used to put Maxwell
in prison. My guess is she's a reliable witness. Do
with that as you will. The interview was removed from
the DOJ's public files sometime after initial publication on January three, thirtieth,
and was republished February nineteenth, according to document metadata. The
Justice Department told MPR the only reason any fil that
has been removed is because it has been flagged by
a victim or their council for additional review. Multiple FBI
interviews with other people refer to the second women's meeting
with Trump while she was a miner and being abused
by Epstein. One interview with the fleeting mention of Trump
was removed from the public database and subsequently restored last week,
while another interview with the woman's mother is still offline.
In that conversation, the mother recalled hearing that a Prince
and Donald Trump visited at Epstein's house, which made her
think that if they are there, then how could Epstein
be a criminal? According to MPR's copy of the file
that was first published, that was part of it. Epstein
wanted to build that respectability, build that nexus around them,
so nobody suspected anything. Right, send your kids to Epstein,
no big deal, and unfortunately a lot of people fell
for it. The possible omission of files that mentioned these
women particular allegations against the president come as the Justice
Department has warned about other documents it is published in
full that include what it calls untrue and sensationalist claims
about Trump. So there were only sensationalist claims about Donald Trump,
nobody else, okay, good to know. At the same time,
the Justice Department has removed and re uploaded thousands of
pages in recent weeks to fix in properly redacted victim names.
That includes documents related to the allegation from these two women,
who separately say they were around thirteen years old when
Epstein first abused them. Robert Lassman, who represents the woman
who testified against Maxwell, sharply criticized the Justice Department's handling
of the Epstein files. This whole thing is ridiculous, he
told MPR. The DOJ was ordered to release information to
the public to be tras transparent about Epstein and Maxwell's
criminal enterprise network. Instead, they released the names of courageous
victims who fought hard for decades to remain anonymous and
out of the limelight. Whether the disclosures were inadvertent or not.
They had one job to do here and they didn't
do it. I think that really sums it up. They
had one job to do and they didn't do it.
And now they want to cry that this is just
a big nothing burger, that nobody has anything to see here,
that we should just move on. No way, not going
to happen. A DOJ spokesperson told NPR that the department
is working around the clock to address concerns from victims
and handle additional redactions of personally identifiable information that has
been flagged in view of the congressional deadline, all reasonable
efforts have been made to review and redact personal information
pertaining to victims other private individuals, and protect sensitive material
from disclosure. The statement read that said, because of the
volume of information involved, this website may nevertheless contain information
that inadvertently includes non public, personally identifiable information or other
sensitive content, to include matters of a sexual nature. Look,
I don't believe anything the DOJ is telling us about
this situation, and I fully believe that we're watching maybe
one of the biggest cover ups in American history. And
the wildest part is we're watching it in real time.
And not only that, but they're doing it in such
a brazen manner that it certainly doesn't look like they're
going to deviate from this course anytime soon. In fact,
it looks like they're gonna double down. So like usual,
we'll keep an eye on this one as well as
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