Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the geek First Podcast.
This is the six hundred and fifty two episode of
said podcast. I am the first Avenger dressed. Now I'm joined.
Speaker 2: By I'm the gamble Boy Kirkland Patzer, I'm the Sidewinder Dilmas.
Speaker 3: I am Bruce Banner's ex girlfriend Taylor Field.
Speaker 4: Damn it, you fucking won. You won so hard. I
don't know why. I just could not think of nothing.
Speaker 1: I've started like trying to think, and then we start
chatting before the show started, So I just couldn't think
of anything for said nickname. So but kudos to you
because that's ten out of ten. That's Say's best nickname.
I'm gonna stamp right there in all are almost ten
years and we're gonna get into it y very soon.
But yeah, we're here to talk about the first edition
of the MCU. Technically because of course you have Spiderman,
Friendly Neighborhood Man, you know whatever they call that show.
Speaker 4: But that is, you know, in a multiverse. This is
we're back in the MCU.
Speaker 1: Haven't really been back there, I guess, but on the
big screen since dead Pool and Wolverine, that was a
big Win obviously been a couple of shady rocky days,
mixed run the mails reports or score. Some reports out
there have a tough shoot, but that doesn't mean we
disliked it or liked it. Who knows. So that's what
we're gonna do. We're gonna talk about non spoils first.
So if you are, because I do know there's quite
a few people that are probably waiting till Disney Plus
or maybe they're gonna see on Cheap Tuesday. As always,
we will give you a break and say, hey, we're
gonna go into spoils. So if you don't want to
be spoiled, you can back out, and yeah, if you
like what we do, subscribe.
Speaker 4: We talk a lot of marble.
Speaker 1: We've reviewed every single MSU thing that has happened and
every MSU thing that will happen till we die, imagine,
or till the msuit dies itself. It might die before
we die. We don't know what's the trajectory. I don't know,
but we're gonna start this off. Hm, which way to go?
Because I know a vibe of somebody I'm gonna yeah, no, no, okay,
then I actually know I think I know Dylan's vibe
more than your vibe because we didn't talk that much.
Me and Tay saw it. He tracked me down and
just forced to sat beside me, said, we go with
Kirkling because these wild cards. I don't know how Gamma
Boy himself, Yeah, so yeah, Gamma Boy, did this fill
your juices?
Speaker 5: I had some juice in my beverage here. It was
very watered down. I think going into this movie, I
had extremely low expectations. I was hoping for, if anything,
to just get something at the end credit or something
in the movie, to like a movie into the Avengers,
you know, like mode, like hey, getting ready, We're getting
closer to those big titles. So that was kind of
where my expectations were at. But for the movie itself,
it was just extremely low. I had very low height
for this. I don't think this is gonna make a
lot of money. That was just kind of like my
feelings that I've been getting for a while now. I
haven't like followed any review, so I really don't even know,
like you just saying, there's like mixed run.
Speaker 1: It so it's like down the middle. It's honestly, that's
rotting Rundomatoes. But it's like the critics are fifty percent
pretty much Smith, So it's just a third MCU movie
to be rotten, along with Qualmitia and eternals.
Speaker 5: How long until it's like certified rotten like cause it's
it's just so like you need more reviews right to
get that. Or is it just once it hits like
a certain threshold it certified.
Speaker 1: To me, it's a certain threshold of like because I
think it started at like a like a fifty three
and it dropped to like forty two and then went
back up.
Speaker 4: So like, but I think once.
Speaker 5: The news it's probably gonna be somewhere there.
Speaker 1: I don't think it can FU. It can maybe sniff sixty,
but I don't think it's gonna So I think it's
kind of where it's.
Speaker 5: At, Okay, Well, I mean judging to that, you know,
it's all relative. I'm definitely higher than that, I think.
I If anything, I think this movie for me was
very average, with some special moments in there and some
really not special moments. I think there was some moments
where I was just really like, I rellly like I
just couldn't really I couldn't really process what was happening
on screen. Because it was just like, really goofy. I
think there's some really horribly done edits on this movie.
Like I felt like the scene's going on and it
just cut somewhere else, and it felt like I was,
I don't know, there's code words going off, and I'm
like a certain character that's just blacking out and thinking
they're doing someone else. Like it just seems like we
just PowerPoint presentation and they don't have any transitions to
their slides. Like it's just such a sloppy way to
like progress the story in certain moments. I think it
took me out of just like the film when those
moments would happen. But I still think there's some some
good juice in here and enough enough things that would
make me want to rewatch it. However, not the rewatch
of like, Man, I'm gonna sit down and just completely
juice and digest this. I'm gonna clean the house while
I put this on the background, you know, or.
Speaker 1: Just part of the set right when you're like I
wanna watch all the cat movies and you just watch.
Speaker 5: It exactly, no, exactly. I went and saw this with
the buddy of mine from work, and on the way
back I'm just like thinking and comparing to like the
other origin movies of the of the Marvel you know,
not counting Iron Man one because that's just a glorious film,
but like thor one, even cap One. I don't think
this is like way worse than those movies by any means. Honestly,
maybe we can get into that when we get one.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a good movie.
Speaker 5: That's a good movie, but it's like it's not it's
not my top ten anywhere near MC like my MCU ratings.
I don't think.
Speaker 1: Because is this an origin movie like Sam's. We got
Sam's origin and Falcon Winter Soldier, right, like we've known.
Speaker 5: This guy, see that, right, Like I feel like sixty
of my theater didn't know. Sorry, fuck Isaiah Brah miss
it before this movie.
Speaker 4: You're right, you're right, I misspoke.
Speaker 1: We got his origin Winter Soldier, you know, Army that
like flight guy and everything like that, Like we've known
who Sam is since twenty fourteen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Sam, Yeah, Yeah. I just feel like this is
the first origin of like Captain America, like the new
era of Captain America, I guess going forward, So the
New World in the New World. Yeah, so I'm kind
of scattered with my thoughts right now because that's just
how I feel like. I don't know exactly where I line.
But yeah, I don't know, it's not it's not completely horrendous.
I'm definitely above It sounds like the the median of
the Rotten Tomatoes scores. So that's that's good.
Speaker 4: I want to get what the because remember that's the
score of who just passes?
Speaker 1: Or oh god, you're gonna hit me with the fucking
trailer for a Brave New World right now?
Speaker 4: Okay, continue, I was.
Speaker 1: Gonna forget what the average score was between you know,
audience score eighty percent though, so people are the audio,
the people are digging it nice.
Speaker 5: I think I really liked Anthony Mackie here, like I
think he was like really solid across the board, Like
you didn't seem any lower than I, Uh whatld you
just see on screen there?
Speaker 1: So it's so the average score of snapchat or something
some Dylan snapchats. Emily sent me something like I'm reviewing
right now, baby, I can't come in there. No, So
like fifty two percent is like the pass or failed.
But when you take an average like the Metacritic thing
it's a five point five out of ten. That's what
it is.
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, well, yeah, No, I think Anthony Mackie is
really solid.
Speaker 1: He's solid.
Speaker 5: It's pretty surprised by Harrison for it. Like I think
he was better than maybe I would have expected that
at parts. At parts he's better.
Speaker 1: Yes, you may semi interrupts you, but like as a
part of mine, I feel like.
Speaker 5: We can take on too. I feel like I've kind
of said my general sure, I'll take it on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like we do this every time. I think
it's just because his persona outside. I feel like we
did this with Star Wars, we did this with this.
I hear this with Shrinking. I feel like every time
we see Harrison Ford, we just assume he's gonna phone
it in, and he like never does. Like in our
time at Gee First, I've never sat and been like, oh,
he phoned in. Like even in Rise of Skywalker when
he came back for like a two minute scene he
was acting, He's crying. It's like, I'm gonna just stop
assuming just because he's like a little curmudgeony in the
press that.
Speaker 2: But like that's when we get he gets cast to
play old curmudgeonly people. So it's like even if it
is like it's perfect, like they did the casting right,
and I know.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, but like even in this movie and this
stuff in Star Wars, like the emotional stuff, to me,
that's the hardest stuff to pulf A was an actor
and feel believable. So that's the stuff where I can
see something go like I'm just gonna like, you know,
stick my finger down my throat.
Speaker 4: Oh, I got tears of mine.
Speaker 1: Let's move on, you know, like this is like I
feel it here right, And yeah, I think he came
to play.
Speaker 4: He was great.
Speaker 1: It's hard to compare him to like whatever William Hurt,
but because we never got this amount of time with
William Hurt, maybe an incredible Hulk. And that comes to
part where I think I'm in line with Kirklan where
you said your thoughts are scattered. That's much like this movie.
This movie is scattered. I think there's awful parts. I
think there's great parts. I think there's good parts. I
think there's bad parts. My review of this and a
Elevator pitch is results may vary, and I don't know
Tar because I do know Taylor ten years of being
a rival. But I don't know Tayor thinks, but I'm
just assuming for him and I. We really like Incredible Hulk,
So all the Incredible Hulk stuff I really liked here
is it fucking weird to get it here twelve years
later in a Captain American movie doesn't make much sense,
not at all, not really at all. So it is
times where it's just like, even you know, to Taylor's
name in a most unspoiled way, they do the weird
like I'd have to think about the MSU, But I
don't think I've ever seen the MSU. Barring a previously on,
like you know, segment recap a movie that felt like
a previously on. There's two newscasters just running you down
everything about Sam Wilson, Thadeus Ross and liv Tyler, and
it's just like they're going, well, that is Ross, we
did this. They blah blah. His daughter is Betty Ross,
who's the ex girlfriend of Bruce Banner. And you're just like, wow,
they're really laying it on. Like we know, we're phase
five and forty nine projects. You probably missed some stuff,
but even Falcon Winner Soldier, that's fine for a HAULK
it's like that is a deep poll, and before the
Marvels came around, that was your lowest MC grossing movie
of all time, So it is odd. But I enjoy
some that stuff. I enjoyed Harrison Ford. Mackie's always great.
I enjoy him. I think it's tough because I think
he gets to be a little less fun in this
role because he's a very charismatic guy. But it's tough
when you're like the lead, right and you're trying to
be Captain America now. But I kind of hope in
Avengers they bring that back where he's a bit more comedic.
But they're dealing with some you know, there's a president assassination,
so I guess why. I bet that's why it's not
comedic all the time. Lots of supporting cast. Not a
fan of I like Danny Ramirez as an actor. I
think they didn't give him much to work with as
Little Falcon or okay, the New Falcon. I think kudos
to some of those line deliveries and trying to make
him like the fun, comedic character. They gave him some
tough stuff. I don't think it was him. I think
it's just like this is not funny. I'm not like
endearing this character and that characters. I rewatch Funcklinger Soldier.
He's like barely in there, you know, like we've not
even met him. There's another character which I'll save my
spoiler thoughts for, but it's the you know, our new
I'll just say, the sidekick to Harrison fordh And Yeah,
the plot's kind of all over the place, weirdly paced.
I think there's some fun action moments. I don't think
any of the actions scenes stand out in the MCU overall,
but I think there's moments. I think there's some great
stuff that they carried over from Fuckinghers Soldier because I
think Isaiah Bradley's just like no notes ten out of ten,
Carl Lumby just a phenomenal actor, like I want him
to be in so much more. And I liked all
that stuff. I think they hit on some familiar beats
that they already covering Fucklinger Soldiers. So it's like, why
didn't you just make that a movie in the long run?
So I'm excited to break break it down because there's
definitely moments where we're jumping all over some things. Multiple
things don't make sense. John Carlo just showed up on
a lot one day and shot some stuff. Like you
can feel that is a tough thing, right, because it's
a chicken and egg scenario. We're in a situation where
anytime there's a reshoot a problem with any movie, right,
we hear about it. We hear X, Y and Z
this is happening with the movie. So it's like we know,
going in, Okay, they've reshot a bunch of this movie,
and it's gonna look a little choppy. But this does
feel like one of those times that even if it
wasn't reshot, you'd be able to feel like at least
something's wrong. You'd go like, okay, the editing is bad
or the pacing's bad. That does just feel like something is.
Speaker 4: A foot here.
Speaker 1: But I still enjoyed my time and I will definitely
rewatch this again because I like the characters, and for me,
it is the definition of like an okay time at
the movies. It's results me very if you like these characters,
if you like just a you know, all right, good fine,
like Superhero, if you just like Superhero fair I think
this is much better than many things that we've gone
The MCU Secret invasion a man eternals like for me,
those are ones that never again.
Speaker 4: But this, yeah, I put it on.
Speaker 1: I have joy a good time, but it run time
helps and hurts it because it's over quicker. But you
also don't get to dive deep. And I think there's
some stuff with Sam and some stuff with Ross that
I think needed deeper dives and it was unfortunately lacking there.
But overall, I recommend it if you, like I said,
like Captain America, like Mackie, you like Marvel stuff. But
if you are going I have more tire of comic movies,
or you just want to see the great ones, this
is definitely not it.
Speaker 4: And wait till Disney plus mister Muss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys have said a lot of the great
points that I kind of agree with, So I don't know,
taking a slightly different direction. I mean, I think to
what you guys both mentioned of, you know, it's hard
for us to go into any of these kind of
movies just truly unbiased, right because we talk, especially the
Marvel stuff, because we talk about it so much. We
break down these trailers, we do predictions, we talk about
all the production issues. We'd see the reviews well, Kirkland didn't,
but everyone else sees the reviews like days before, so
we come in with like all this baggage, and even
I think another thing I was top of mind for
me was Travis when you mentioned like the runtime was
like two hours or something going in, which is like, Okay,
this is pretty short for a Marvel movie. So I'm
going in with like all this stuff coming in, and
so I think, similar to Kirkland, I was expecting to
My expectations were very low, to put it lightly, and
then I think, yeah, in the first half an hour
hour so I was enjoying it more than I expected.
And then as it goes on, it gets so messy
and kind of unravels. It's kind of obviously this movie is.
If they gave them seven more months to work it out,
iterate on it, make it better, I'm sure they would
have taken that. It feels like, you know, half the
video games that come out these days that are like
eighty percent finished and then they like fix it over
the next few months until it's like that final like
actually what the game should have released as. But movies
other than like Cats don't get DLC right, So like
we're just this is the movie we're stuck with and
then every once in a while though maybe add like
what was the other movie recently that had.
Speaker 1: That but holes in the cat movie? Did you say
cats cats?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's like the cats. Remember they removed on the buttholes.
Speaker 1: Off the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were talking to other buttholes earlier, so you
were making.
Speaker 4: A no, I just don't about cats. I don't know
if you talk that air after.
Speaker 2: I sorry, I couldn't pick up that that was there.
I got other things on the mind. Tros you know this,
But this movie, I think the weirdest thing for me
is just the pacing of it. This movie just feels
like only an act too. I feel like there wasn't
really an act one or three, and this the ending
is like really underwhelming. Nothing really unpredictable happens. If you've
seen the trailers, I think you know, like almost exactly.
There's a couple of characters that are hidden, I guess,
but like otherwise you kind of know the broad strokes
are at least once you're like twenty thirty minutes and
like you know how this movie is gonna end. And
then I feel like the kickoff, the inciting event that
classic Act one stuff. It just felt like a filler
episode from like a TV show. Somebody's like, oh, yeah,
we got to get these these canister and it's like, okay,
I guess that's what we're doing, a kick off this
big Grand Captain America Avengers adventure. Like it just felt
really strange in that way. So by the time it ended,
I was just kind of underwhelmed. But I think to
speak on the good things, it's hard to say with
it too many spoilers, but are there's just certain dynamics
that I really enjoyed. I did like Little Falcon. Surprisingly,
I just thought from the trailers, like, who is this guy? Watched?
I care about him? I forgot he's in Falcon Winter
Soldier though I'm sure we talked about it three weeks ago,
but I already forgot about that.
Speaker 5: But I liked him.
Speaker 2: I thought his dynamic with Cap was really great. And
then another guy that's kind of like a little trio
with them, and I really liked all their dynamics and
I kind of maybe wanted a little bit more of that,
And then I think, yeah, just the raw stuff. I
do think Harrison Ford did a good job because he
even if he is phoning it in. He's just such
a good actor that even like a phoned in performance
is still pretty good. And obviously, as I mentioned, like
he's kind of perfectly type cast for this kind of
role here. But then the stuff at the end, it's
like you can just like see the green screen. It's
like they really churned that one out of the last
couple weeks in terms of finishing that dialogue and put
it on green So it really just did not stick
the landing at all. I guess I'll put it that way. So,
uh yeah, I can't recommend going out to this one.
I think as far as like Marvel Movies, fun popcorn
flick kind of thing, similar to Travis, I'd wait for
Disney Plus on this. I don't think you need to
race out out to the theater on this.
Speaker 1: Mister Field, so you get to close off the non spoilers.
Speaker 3: Here, close off non spoilers. So this movie to me
felt like I was watching a superhero horized version of
Jack Ryan on Amazon Crime.
Speaker 5: And I really like that.
Speaker 1: Show did you make Why did you make that comparison?
Just a show or because there's a certain line and
see if you can get it. Certain actor involved in
that franchise.
Speaker 3: Well, I know the actor you're referring to is that
I don't remember his name, but I know he's in Thunderbacks.
Speaker 4: You don't remember Harrison Ford's name.
Speaker 3: Oh, Harrison Ford. I was talking about that Jack Ryan.
Speaker 1: I sorry, just trying to see if you knew he
has played Jack Ryan wants to continue to go back to.
Speaker 2: Your review, throwing us some hard balls here in our
overall thoughts.
Speaker 4: You know the other actor. I thought these are easy.
I thought these are just home runs.
Speaker 3: But no, the other actor who was in Thunderbolts and
also on Superman that you pointed out, he's also in
Jack Ryan.
Speaker 4: Is he in this movie?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: Bring him up?
Speaker 3: Because you met you were you were bringing up like, oh,
what's the connection with this Jack Ryan?
Speaker 1: Continue?
Speaker 3: Anyways, I had a lot of fun with this movie.
It was definitely messy, But I think my biasedness purely
comes from the fact that I really like the incredible
Hulk film and this truly does feel like it is
that sequel. Again, you guys already highlighted it's very weird
that we are getting this sequel focused in a Captain
America for film. I, at the end of the day
think that seventeen years later is very.
Speaker 1: Which is that makes me feel fucking old old as
asses tell me incredible, Hulk, is that seventeen years ago,
all those atty old.
Speaker 3: I I don't know if like Anthony Mackie, like, yeah,
I really like his Captain America. I think he actually
did a really good job. You guys highlight some very
good points too, especially Travis, where it's like how he's
leading the charge. He's the main character, so he does
kind of act certain things that we we like, certain
parts of his personality that we've liked in the past,
because he is that main character and he's carrying a
lot more on his shoulders. But I think that we
didn't necessarily need a movie, a Captain America movie for him.
I think he could have just he could have just
popped up in another eye to.
Speaker 4: Lead the Avengers and not get his own movie.
Speaker 3: But again that's just another that's a very minor kind
of like thing at this point. Like I feel like,
if he's gonna if he's gonna lead the Avengers, like okay,
just reintroduce him and give him like a like a
like make him pop up like Ant Man or Spider
Man in Captain America Civil War, and then it's like, oh,
this is cool, Like let's see more to these characters.
What's going on?
Speaker 1: But they still got their movie before or after?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Before?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: Before Civil War? I camera fat Man has a movie
before after.
Speaker 4: It was before Civil War?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Then let's say the spider Man, bro spider
Man gets his movie after Civil War.
Speaker 4: I think that's like ten years. Then sprinkling salmon like
Winter Soldiers, Civil War and Finney War Endgame, Like they've
sprinkled them along, Like how much more could they sprinkle?
Like you're gonna have a lot of too.
Speaker 1: Much cheese on the plate.
Speaker 4: Then you know he's ready to be the main course
the pasta well, but.
Speaker 3: It doesn't necessarily feel like this was the right way
to do that with the main course. I mean, they
served the green eggs and the ham, right, and there's
more like red.
Speaker 4: You think this is green eggs and ham.
Speaker 2: This is right, with all the whole stuff, with all
the whole stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got it, you got it, a little bit
of Gamma Gamma green Eggs. But I think that it
was just it was no the right place to introduce
him and give him his full feature with this Haulk
story because he's just everything going on with Ross and whatnot. Like,
I don't feel like Mackie's Captain America. He was never
really a a component of that that dynamic.
Speaker 1: He's just with Ross because they have feuded in the
other movies, right like Ross, I.
Speaker 3: Don't remember any of Like I remember him being caught
in between a rock and hard place because Steve Rogers
and mackiw was just like I'm here because Stee's my
friend and Ross is.
Speaker 1: But like because in Civil War, you know, they picked
the wrong side, and then in Finny War they do
interact a little more when because they Ross makes Cat okay,
Steve Rogers, Sam Wilson and Natasha wanted people. So they
do have some scenes together and history. They literally talk
in Civil War him and Ross, so they do have
a contentious past relationship. It seems it's not much, but
there are moments of it. But yeah, to even him
saying Betty sounded and kind of weird to me. It's like,
I don't you don't know, Betty, you know I would
have taken Yeah.
Speaker 3: I would have taken I don't know. Just switch out
that character and just give us, give us something like
back to basics, something very simple with Mackew's Captain America,
because with this it just it was I'm trying not
to get into spoilers, soul, I'll maybe I'll just end
my thoughts here and then we can just get into it.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll get into it. So we're gonna take our
first ad break. If not seen the movie, go away,
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Speaker 4: I forget you, buddy, and we're not tonight.
Speaker 5: Not tonight, I didn't click it out.
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go back to you because you said there were some
things you couldn't really maybe uh oh yes, in a
shout to her patron producers.
Speaker 4: Uh Aaron Braiden, Abro Darkness, Jack Grandmud's Sam, Superman, Mike
Gosby sixth.
Speaker 1: Night, Jeremy Renner didn't see him tonight and Charlie ran dell.
Uh but yes, uh, Tim, you can teach him because
you thought your points may be too spoilery. So I
want to I want to hear the juice that was
trying to flow from your mouth.
Speaker 3: The juice getting into this whole worldwide conflict was just Yes,
it was crazy, and that's where it started to feel.
It was crazy. That's where it felt. Jack Bryan to
me and I, I don't get me wrong, I liked it.
I like seeing like you Japanese, Japan's navy and Americans
Navy and just speak.
Speaker 4: Can you not see Japanese anymore?
Speaker 1: And you.
Speaker 4: See the japan You see japan Japanese people, they speak Japanese.
So worry he's gonnat cancer or something like that.
Speaker 3: You never know, but just these two nations and you
see this big celest hill made of adamantium the background,
and it's like, holy shit, is this crazy fighter jets
or whizen By Like this is just like I was
eating all that up and this it didn't didn't even
feel necessarily like marveled to me because I don't think
we've seen Jack.
Speaker 1: Ryan full Jacks in the air throwing a shield that
missiles happens in Jack.
Speaker 5: Rock Ryan got.
Speaker 2: It gets wild?
Speaker 4: What is John doing in that show? My god?
Speaker 3: When we got those scenes that, I definitely felt like marble,
but just to see like like mankind's like navy and military,
like we haven't seen something like that since like the
first Iron Man, I know, I want to say, right,
like the tanks and stuff like you don't ever see human.
Speaker 4: A little bit too. It's not current day but for
Avengers first Soldiers, right and everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you don't see like mankind necessarily like what
they're standing up like. And even then it's if you do,
it's it's more flamboyant and it's shield like the Hellic Carriers,
right and and Winter's Soldiers. So it's very different. Yeah,
So that's that was just a very different perspective. But again,
at its core, I think when you have the leader,
when you have Red Hulk and you have all this stuff,
it just it feels very out of place where you're
introducing this story to Hey, here is our new Captain America,
Anthony Mackie. He's being asked by Ross to create an
Avengers team and that just gets squashed. But all of
a sudden at the end, he's like, no, I'm going
to be putting together a team. And I just feel
like we could have had a movie focus more on
him becoming more Captain America and doing that. Instead you
get brief moments of him backtracking. Now I understand not
everyone has seen Falcon the Winter Soldiers, so they give
you a brief moment with Bucky and him where Anthony
Mackie's like, oh, I can't mount to what Steve did.
He chose the wrong person? Yeah, yeah, which we got
all that in the show, but I know not everyone's
seen the show, but yeah, good for us. That was
very out of place. But spread that a little bit
more and not just so back to ground zero and
then make it more about him trying to be the Avengers.
But you got all the Hulk stuff that's kind of
trampling at.
Speaker 1: I wanted to point out that because I want to
do this cast when Secret Wars is all done and
just kind of look at this multiverse song and what
we would have changed and whatnot. And for me, that's
one where I retroactively think Falkilmhear Soldiers just should have
been a movie now, like going back to it, just
feel like they should have shored some things done that,
especially because like John Walker, he's gonna be in Thunderbolts.
That would have helped that out too. I think there's
certain projects off you cut, make movies, make shows, et cetera. Right,
But that's where I was finding the conversation at first,
when he's like, oh, I got my ass kicked and
my friend's hurt.
Speaker 4: I was fine with.
Speaker 1: That when he's just questioning that he's Captain America. But
then when he started going on about Steve give it
the wrong guy, I'm like, oh, we've been here before,
and I don't want this to be like Dylan and
I reviewed Punisher Netflix when like he'd become Punisher okay,
and then he was done being punished, and then he's
back to being punished. It's just like, just be the punisher,
stop like dropping the mantle all the time.
Speaker 4: And I do not want that.
Speaker 1: Like if we get to Avengers and it's like they
see Doom and he like messes him up and he's like, oh,
Steve gave the shield the wrong person or I I
wonder man if hydro CAP's gonna say that to him when.
Speaker 4: He season Secret Wars, like oh he gave I bet
you he is one hundredercent guarantee you.
Speaker 1: Hydra Cat's gonna be like, he gave it to the
wrong person and then he'll kick him down or something
like that.
Speaker 2: So, sir who had a Bucky in the draft again,
because that's gonna be some view points and hell, yeah you,
I will give us a ten parents starring hopefully he
doesn't die in Thunderbolts and I'm good to go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got some tally at the end there, but.
Speaker 2: Nice, Yeah, I totally agree with you, Taylor, And I
was having that same realization when watching the movie. I'm like, yeah,
we were going in circles here like Frodo. But then
I think you made a good point that like, oh, yeah,
a lot of people will not have watched this show
or they just you know, it's a show, it's long.
Maybe they forgot about some of these elements of it.
And that isn't just a point of this movie in general,
where it is a very short movie, which I think
I'm okay with that in theory, but when you spend
a lot of it, like doing scenes like that, we've
kind of seen this before, the stuff you were saying
of like rerunning the Hulks to catch people up, which
honestly I did appreciate because I'm not a big incredible
Hulk fan and I need the refresher all these connections
a little bit.
Speaker 1: There's Spanier's ex girlfriend though, did you forget that fact?
Speaker 2: Uh see, it's not. But I also couldn't tell you
anything about her as a as a character, not that
there was much in here other than just like meaningless
familiar connection between her and her dad, right, But yeah,
but yeah, it's weird when a movie is so short
and then we're also spending a lot of time just
kind of recapping things. It feels like, you know, similar
to a TV show where you'd have that you know,
three four minute recap at the start of it to
catch you up on the things you miss. But that's
just sprinkled throughout this. And it's one of the shorter
MCU movies, so not a not a great combo, and.
Speaker 1: It's funny, like another thing we're not gonna get into
this now, but I'm in a dovetail for the future.
I feel like when we started talking about like Disney
Plus and those shows, and we talk about like a
big thing, we want those shows to matter for the movies,
and that almost retrospect, I wonder if ye that was
maybe a mistake. It is better just to do your
Moon Nights or you're like you could watch it without
having to note, like because people complain about the Multiver's
mannas right, like if you didn't watch that one as kids,
like what like that's and now it's before I thought
that was a great thing, but now it's like maybe not,
maybe it wasn't, you know.
Speaker 5: But like that's also the early stages of us getting
those MCU shows, right, Like I feel like they were
trying that, like let's see if this works of we
can have a big movie transition with a show and
then lead to the next project and everyone's gonna have
Disney Plus, right, so everyone's gonna be watching these projects
and they go the way that they plan. Yeah, exactly.
So I think this, like the fact that we're getting
a lot of recap in a project like this makes
them feel that they are forced to do that. And
also maybe rethink that, Okay, maybe we shouldn't be doing
like shows for this aspect, Like you can still do shows,
but just don't have it as a main chain, especially
connecting something like cap like that's such a big important
thing of getting Sam being the one that gets the
shield and go through the whole progression that he went
through in Falcon Winter Soldier like that is a very
important story that I do recommend people watching, you know,
if they're interested in this character. It's just a shame
that not everyone did do that, so then they feel
forced to do it on here for the especially for
the people that have seen it like us, it's just
kind of a waste of time, right because I mean
it's where we're going in circles.
Speaker 2: Outside of the just the TV show side of it.
I mean, it's just kind of the MCU like collapsing
under its own way to this point to some extent
where the whole stuff is like this too, where it's
like seventeen years ago is when we're calling back to
for some of this stuff fifty over fifty projects ago.
Like that is for any casual viewer or someone who's
even you know, watching these movies a lot back in
the day. It's just that's a lot to remember and
store in your brain. So like they do need these
things to some extent and infused in here, But I
don't know, I don't know, it'd be hard to like
it sounds like a difficult challenge to write. How do
we make it new but also remind you kind of
what these bonds, like what Bucky means too, Sam do
like a little mini version of it. We kind of
want something new, But at the same time, how do
you get around that? It does seem like a really
difficult problem.
Speaker 5: They're just gonna start doing crawls at the start of
a movie like a Star Wars, just fucking recap everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like double ketchup cause it's like you
gotta ketch up on Sam stuff and then you have
the whole stuff, which is like, again, it's great for
the story, but like, are we seeing Ross ever again?
Like I don't think so, Like I think this is done,
Like and that's why I was, like I was very
happy this. I know, I'm all with but it's like
I was very happy to see live Tyler. But like
I hope she got paid well because like if you
would have showed me, like the script, right, the phone
call is different. Hey, we're gonna give you know, Tenji's
just to record this phone call.
Speaker 4: Okay, sure, but come on set and just like hey Dad,
oh I got time to talk, Like.
Speaker 1: I wanted more. I want to see a bit of
their conversation, but just to cut away. It's just like, well,
that's like, there goes my return of Betty Ross. Like
maybe they're gonna do something with Hulk and we can
get there, but it's just that's what's so tough with
all these projects and well, yeah, like I said, I
want to do a bigger conversation about all this stuff
because it's so fascinating. Because I was talking about this
with a listener a dookie were talking about Sam and
felt like just some of the issues with the projects
of like when Chris Evans appeared as Captain America from
that to Civil Wars five years, he appeared in six movies.
It's been four years. Sam's only appeared in one other
thing other than the show, like it was a fellow
one shoulder and this so it's just like like they
Chris Evans had more than one year for his runn
as cap and this is his second project time out.
Even the first thing he was still Falcon So it's
just like interesting and to the point of just little
stuff of like in the phase that we have right now,
like phase four and phase five half of we have
twelve new characters and all the Infinity war.
Speaker 4: Like to lead a project it was ten.
Speaker 1: It's just like when you really compare these numbers and everything,
it's fascinating. I think that's the problem with this again too.
It's just like maybe it's a little too late as well,
Like you give him the shield and now that was
six years ago, right, yeah, six years ago, And it's
just like do people do people feel like I watched
Fala one shouldier?
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't care as much anymore. It's just yeah,
it's tough.
Speaker 3: So I I'm not sure if this is accurate, but
they seem pretty accurate in their their statement. But Mackie
is making ten million for his role here and kept
a mica.
Speaker 4: Where you get what is what the source of this?
Speaker 1: Please? I need to hear what this is from.
Speaker 3: It's called fandom Wire. No no, no, they say Live
Tyler made three million.
Speaker 5: For her role.
Speaker 1: If she three billion, then that's great for her because
I would I would say, if you say you're gonna
pay me three million to come on, send deliver four
lines as Yeah, but there's no way she got three million.
As much as I love Live Tyler, but.
Speaker 3: They say Harrison for fifteen million.
Speaker 1: I could believe that, but I don't think those are
true numbers.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, so huh crazy. Yeah, I guess
the some of the Betty stuff too. I mean, that's
like it just doesn't work for me. I mean, I'm
I'm notoriously not a fan of the Incredible Hulk movie,
so it's you know, revisiting very often. Oh that I
out there for he did.
Speaker 4: Then he keep back, like the flash your your features, that.
Speaker 1: We know who you are now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you know, I'm not super familiar with this stuff,
but it really just had like no impact in this movie.
And it's obviously the screen time is very limited yet
one physical scene and one quick phone call and then
just allusions to it. But to me, it was just like, Okay,
when we got the phone call, he was talking about it,
like obviously she's gonna be the one to like calm
him down at the in the final battle. But like
even that is a little that is the case. But
it's not even like with her, so you don't get
this big emotional scene. You get like a half emotional
scene because it's kind of just Sam alluding to her
and that I.
Speaker 3: Thought she was coming down.
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I wondered, is Bucky come in? She who's no one?
It was just Sam on his own.
Speaker 1: Good for him carried me in that final fight though,
when like we'll talk about fully, but at one point
they both get knocked out right and Sam gets up
and then Red Hull gets up when he's like, oh,
like I got this likely, let make sure he stands up,
And in the background, the sun was going down. I
was so fucking worried he was gonna do a sun's
skin real low. Like thought they're gonna make a joke
in the moment because the sun is right beside them.
But they didn't. And I will say that for this, like,
I think a lot of the humor in this movie
did not hit but I actually appreciate it. Do not
feel like a joke of mile And there's stuff of
like when Venus Ross turns the Red Hulk and the
report they becoming they come in Red now It's like
I didn't need that.
Speaker 4: This is a huge moment.
Speaker 1: This should be like we've talked about, the President has
turned into a Hulk and he's literally destroying the White House.
Kudos to them to like destroying three American like landmarks.
I thought that was really cool, But that like kind
of killed it for me, Like they come in red
now it's like, oh, but I think the rest of
the movie actually like held back a lot of the humors.
I appreciate that because some movies are abundance and it's
just like it's killing the moments. But that still happened
in this movie.
Speaker 3: When when that sunset was happening and they were actually
walking towards each other, I was getting PTSD because the
Red Hawk's gonna kick him like Hulk did to tim Roth.
Speaker 4: And Sam's dying.
Speaker 3: Then Sam just flops against the tree like abomination.
Speaker 1: Did oh God, damn Jesus.
Speaker 5: Yeah for me.
Speaker 2: With the Betty stuff, I mean, I love Livtyler. You know,
Arwin shouts out to Arwin. Always great to see her
on screen.
Speaker 5: I'm more like Dylan here though, Like I feel like
the dynamic between specifically Harrison Ford and her it just
seems so and I haven't seen incredib Hulk in a
very long time, so maybe the detachment of that of
those two characters is like it should hit me really hard.
I think that Harrison did such a great job at
portraying that pain and like just basically regret that that
character would be feeling for just like, you know, basically
losing like the one thing that he didn't always know
was the most important thing in his life. But like
now that he's getting older, he's the fucking president of
the United States, now he's starting to have these thoughts
of turning a new leaf. I think that he just
sold me on that. So like I did get semi
emotionally invested in it, but like, honestly, I didn't even
need her in this movie. I like it seemed because
to your point, Travis, like I wanted more of a
dialogue scene between the two of them, and he's just like, hey, Dad,
figure we'd catch up and then we just like roll
credits essentially after that. I'm like, really like we did
all of that, like just like just say that, like
he regrets losing her, and then she fucking died in
a car accident or something. That's the big that's the
big shtick about it, Like, are we ever going to
see her again? Is she gonna be interacting with her
Bruce Banner? No, definitely not. There's no chance.
Speaker 4: No, I won't say no chance because if we do pizza.
Speaker 5: Right now, I'm gonna roll with my pizza beds.
Speaker 1: So what is the pizza?
Speaker 4: I want to be specific?
Speaker 1: What is the pizza bat?
Speaker 2: What do you want to do if Tyler never comes back?
Speaker 5: I think that this specific Live Tyler interacts with Bruce Banner.
Speaker 1: I would take that back because I do think if
World War whole happens, she'll be back for that because I.
Speaker 2: Think specifically live Tyler.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I feel it. Ruffalo, Yeah, I feel like
that's something they should tie together. No, I'm not doing
the track.
Speaker 3: You feel good about your pizza be Kirklan?
Speaker 5: Absolutely? I do?
Speaker 1: Do you do?
Speaker 5: You not feel confident with me here? David? You think
Bruce Banner Mark Ruffalo is gonna be interacting with Betty
Grant or whatever?
Speaker 4: Betty Ross.
Speaker 5: I think the darkest World War.
Speaker 2: If the World War Hulk thing does happen, I could
see it. But that movie has been talked about for
a decade at this point.
Speaker 1: The reason I'm just going off this is it's the
same way as like an endgame. Natalie Portman was back
for a scene. She came back for one day to
lay on a bed and then they're like she's in
love and thunder she's a coleead.
Speaker 4: So it feels like very similar as far as like.
Speaker 1: Lift tires in one scene and boom, we're doing World
War Hawk now at the same time. Though, this is why, like,
have you accepted the pizza bit yet? Did you accept that?
Speaker 5: I thought I thought it was waiting for you to
accept it.
Speaker 2: You're talking to them out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, Let's wait to the next newscast
because I because the problem is if this movie fucking.
Speaker 3: Research this movie money is gonna debate what happens here.
They're gonna be like she's the make or break.
Speaker 1: No. I think they're gonna look at and be like,
we marketed this movie on Sam and Red Hulk, and
if people don't come up for Red Hulk, people don't
care about Hulks.
Speaker 4: And I may think people don't care about monks.
Speaker 3: That's the way they look at it though, because like, yeah,
I see it. It's like Captain America and all this
Hulk stuff. So if this movie bombs, you're saying they're
just gonna pin it on Oh it's all the Hulk stuff.
Speaker 2: Like they're gonna blame it on Sidewinder.
Speaker 5: I think no.
Speaker 1: I think yeah, no, Carlo, Yeah we'll circle back, But no,
I think it's both Taylor. I think that Mackie will
just be in Team ups now, and then I think
Hulk stuff will be kind of dormant for a bit
because I just don't like, what do you like? People
I think are over Professor Hulk all joking aside, the
Scar reveal was awful. People are very mixed on She Hulk.
I love that show, but I talked to so many
people that like, yeah, I hated shea Hulk. You know
that aren't like, you know, like the misogynists, like just assholes, right,
And then with Red Hulk, I feel like it's gonna
be I think Ford is a positive, but I don't
think Marvel will be like, well, people really loved Harrison
Ford in this, so let's make Wild War Hulk. Like,
I think the Hulk stock is dropping, and I think
with Mackie it's tough because if we do a reboot
on Secret Wars I easily think you see a new
Steve Rodgers and it's just a new blonde white guy
name trast Now, no, I get some Canadians, so I can't.
Speaker 2: John Walker comes back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we're giving it back.
Speaker 1: But no, that's why I'll wait for some box office seat.
But what I want to say Rows and Betty is
uh So I liked what they were going for. I
really liked the idea of both characters are dealing with
how do you like?
Speaker 4: Sorry?
Speaker 1: Both characters meaning Sam and Ross, where they have past things,
very different past things, right, but they're trying to go
how do you evolve and become something different, something greater?
Speaker 4: And we'll talk probably more about Steve later.
Speaker 1: Steve fuck, I have a big slit there, Sam later.
But with Ross, I guess my issue is okay. I
can buy he was a bad guy, made a lot
of mistakes for his country, but still he wants to
do good on them. Right. To me, it felt very
much like one of multiverse madness where I get what
they're going for, but I think the writing's all over
the place. The first meeting has with Sam, I want
you to bring back to the Avengers. My god, we
finally hear the A word in the fucking MCU crazy. Hey,
they're talking about avengers and we still didn't get anything.
We'll come back to that layer, but like, okay, we
won't put together avengers. Great so and then Sam goes,
what do we disagree? And he's got we'll figure it out.
But he makes this whole pitch about how he's changed
and wants to do things different, and he says the
work together.
Speaker 4: The first issue Sam and him have you're out.
Speaker 1: You're not Steve Roger.
Speaker 4: He's motherfucker Like he's completely let's try to be.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter though, Like the point of this character
is he's supposed to be trying to change, right, and
for our first instant, I'd be fine later on, but
the first time there's conflict between him and Sam, you're out,
like I don't want You're not a part of this,
You're not with our crew.
Speaker 4: I can't trust you.
Speaker 1: You're gone. And then later on the same thing where
he's walked with the Japanese, Uh is he a president?
Speaker 4: Premister?
Speaker 1: Thank you? So he's walking right in there to tend
this conversation and he reveals, Hey, we got intel that
America is a part of stealing that adamantium and it's
this great scene. We're fourd to make plays really well
being embarrassed. He showed up, right, But then we get
to the war room and he's just like, yeah, fuck it,
we're going on a war general. It's just like they
to me, you do that scene first, and then you
have Japan revealed it was your fuck up, and he goes, man,
I got hot. I shouldn't have done that there, right,
But he has all the evidence that, oh, we screwed up.
I should fix this now fuck it, let's just start bombing.
Then let's steal the out of Anti. Let's get our
seal team sixth like so they would keep doing this
thing where I want to change, but he was not.
He was doing just the same old stuff. And that's
why I could not buy Sam being like he's trying
to be a better man. Were talking to leaders like no,
he's not.
Speaker 4: Like he's like completely just like jumps to like one
hundred instantly. So I appreciate what they're going for. I
think the writing was just not there to.
Speaker 1: Cover it all the way with Ross, and I think
because they had Ford, he did a good job of
getting like raising up the very shoddy materials.
Speaker 5: Yeah. It honestly, I thought it was gonna go the
route that he is being manipulated in some way, Like
even Sam says that, like are you are you feeling
like yourself lately? And I'm like, oh, this is gonna
be why he's so erratic, Yeah, and literally just flopping
all over the place. But no, he's he's actually just
not not changed his ways. He's just same old thunderbolt.
So I was disappointed by that, but it's also on
par with some of the other messy things that were
happy and it's again like just some of the cuts,
it just seemed like what you laid out with him
having the talk in in the in the old not
the Old. Yeah, I guess it was the oval off
wherever that they had the meeting in the White House. Yeah,
and you know, like we're gonna do this different, and
like you said, like screen time probably like fucking eleven
minutes later or something, it felt like it's it felt
so fast, like you're out, you're done, and like it
actually I just couldn't believe what was happening. I'm like,
this is crazy, Like he's actually just banishing him from
being captain America here like this early on, I yeah,
that was that was hard for me to swallow that pill.
But uh yeah, I was pretty disappointed that it was
just some inconsistencies with the writing and it would have
been better if he was just being controlled. And then
that's what sets them off to be Red Hulk because like,
is he just never gonna go Red Hulk again? Like
he just became Red Hulk because of the pills.
Speaker 1: That understand the rules because then he stopped taking the pills.
But I thought he needed the pills to survive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he's dead now.
Speaker 3: I don't know, he just dies in conversation with Betty
just part explode. You think that's what they're gonna get to,
where oh he is being controlled. And I thought when
Sam was in the uh the on the ship with
him in that private office, I thought he's gonna play
like that mister Blue song.
Speaker 4: And and trigger him kills the innocent.
Speaker 1: But we played that one wrong.
Speaker 3: They this is what the writing is a little bit
messy because Sam, it turns out he's just holding like
his schematics. It's like how does how does uh samtor
Stearns have your your health stuff? And he's like oh,
we probably hacked it or something like that. It's like
that is such a bullshit answer.
Speaker 4: He's like, you signed off on it, sir.
Speaker 5: If you could mind control, you probably could hack it
many times.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that was the other thing to that mid
conversation where they're talking about Bradley writing. He's like, hey, like,
I know this guy wouldn't do this. He's a hero.
Speaker 4: Like something's controlling them. He's like, no, he's going to prison.
It's like we live in a world we live and
we'll get to him. But like in Congress, we got
a guy.
Speaker 1: Who killed jfk and he's about to be elected. Why
because he was mind controlled for decades. In the the
fact that Ross won't even listen to the idea that
something's controlling to him, that's so out of Like that's
the problem where we are on the MCU. It has
been seventeen to eighteen years of aliens exists, mind control exists.
So you can't have Ross, who has been part of
the Avengers like working with them, be like it's not
mine control can't be. It's like what like the guy
who's running for senator apparently killed Robert F. Kennedy In
this timeline. He killed the Starks against his will, and
we're not gonna say Bradley had nothing to like what Like,
it's just.
Speaker 2: In a world where the whole plot is revolving around
like this giant bean that came out of this center
the ocean. Yeah, that stuff. It's always, yeah, especially weird
given that he's someone who's been so close to these
people over the years and seeing what mind control can do.
But I think it's where this movie's plot in general,
I feel like there wasn't a whole lot of like
consequences to things, and things just kind of randomly happen.
I think that's just generally we have to be so
careful with like mind control and movies, and in this
where he's mind controlling just like tons of people, but
it's like it feels like he has unlimited power. But
then like, why didn't he Why wouldn't he just like
mind control cap or something, or why wouldn't he mind
control him as Red Hulk or why why did he
even turn him into Redgle Why didn't he just mind
control like.
Speaker 1: Make his legacy well his legacy, but he but.
Speaker 2: What wouldn't it be easier to just mind control him
and have him out like that press conference, like take
out a gun and shoot someone in the audience or
something like. It feels like there's a million more convenient
ways that you could just do that, but like.
Speaker 3: The bane of his existence, right, so the term into
a hulk is like.
Speaker 1: And that's and that's fine, But like, here's my question,
why did Samuel Sterns lock himself up?
Speaker 2: I have no fucking idea. I was hoping you guys
could answer that.
Speaker 1: I G. It's terrible when we talk about editing scenes.
They have this shot where it's so anti colmatic. What
happens with the leader. Leader Sam's just sitting on a
bench somewhere. Leader just shows up, like just a random guy.
He starts talking to him. Okay, they have this shot
of the leader everything CGI behind him, his like bodies
half CGI. It's like, okay, clearly this is all reshot stuff,
but he's talking everything. He gets arrested. The second he
gets arrested. Of course, reporters are like, he's admitted that
you were tampering with all like articles written, right, but
let's let's say it's been a couple hours.
Speaker 4: Maybe right, I'm giving them benefit of doubt.
Speaker 1: Maybe something happen, even though Stern's literally says like in minutes,
everyone gonna see the mass and rosses who knows how
long it takes the flower, but either way, that's fine,
let's let's give them pass. The speech that he plays
is the speech that he recorded, right of Ross, and
maybe he did all this bad stuff yet he could
just play that. Stern could be sending McDonald's hit play
hack it and that's it. He didn't need to lock
himself up to because it's Ross literally on the thing saying.
Speaker 3: He could be fake though, I mean right, like if
you go he's arrested, though that could be Ai who knows, okay,
but if he's arrested, couldn't Ross he's arrested. I think
it generates more momentum behind it.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just didn't buy why Stern, just like Willingly, after decade,
like a decade of planning this revenge, that gave himself
up before his plan was enacting. I guess he did
become the Hulk, which again I don't understand the rules,
because he stopped himself or becoming the Hulk on that
sub but then here he couldn't do it again.
Speaker 3: It was the scenario right, because the situation defused on
the sub. She's like, oh, the Captain America saved the day.
Planes are fall back, Like.
Speaker 4: He didn't know that. Tho, he didn't know that. She
just came in and he was like getting sex talked
in the.
Speaker 3: Ear by the leader. And she told him though immediately like, hey,
the planes Captain America saved the day. And he said
like okay, good, and then he was able to phase
out the leader.
Speaker 1: Which he was doing.
Speaker 4: You're getting man, you're so rageful. Oh I get that fire.
Speaker 5: That lady like comes along. It's like, sir, you know
they they're standing down. He's just like he's like already massive,
Like he's looking like fucking Charlton Heston or something, like
he's not quite hulk size. He's getting pretty big. He's
like squeezing the pipes red eyes. And she's just like
not really reacting, like, sir, it's a it's okay now.
Speaker 3: Is Red Hawk's skin just normally really hot?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Fires one of his I was wearing.
Speaker 3: Why his clothes are like burning off of him?
Speaker 1: I was like, what, yes? Fires?
Speaker 5: One Cardiovascular disease, Taylor, you know when it starts pandemic
in this country.
Speaker 1: What I was going to circle back to for the
mind controls. I didn't mind when they found all the
files on people and he can control them because like, Okay,
I like that he has to get some vital some
stuff where it's like if he doesn't, if he just
sees you know, if I have all Taylor's health information,
I can control But if I bump in Dylan, I
can't control him because I don't have everything right. But
then like that guy who was like a random side
character for a bit that Sam met in the first mission,
and he had some random biology with him, right, he
the bearded guy that he gives the marine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's like accepting calls when they're in the
middle of a training mission. That was kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: So did he just like he just gave him a
heart attack randomly, right, Like I don't think he had
any credentials on it in this dial. So Dylan was
when I was like, why didn't he do that to Sam?
I would understand if it's revealed that he needed Sam
to do something, right, but before he pimps off the mill,
he's like, well and hopefully you die so he'll stop
being inconvenience in my plans whatever he says, right, So.
Speaker 4: Like clearly has no use for Sam. Why not just
heart attack him right there?
Speaker 5: Well, because he's he's saying, if he goes sees the
Red Hulk, he's gonna die, right, He's all about probability,
so he probably has high probability.
Speaker 1: When he wants like he wants him out, Like why
even keep because he says he's getting in his way.
Speaker 4: He doesn't like that he's.
Speaker 5: Going in the lab. You're saying, like he could have
just killed them with the heart attack, tactile.
Speaker 4: Little falcon cap done and your plans back on.
Speaker 5: You're not wrong?
Speaker 1: Why? I don't know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I I found like the pacing of
Leader in general was just it's just it's like, okay,
he can mind control and he can hear everyone, so
it's like okay, I guess like no matter what, he
can just be anywhere and do anything. But like all right, Yeah,
when he left the base, went to some random suburb,
killed someone just to watch the TV, I guess, which
was like okay.
Speaker 3: And then admiral so I think he had like his
number to the sure that's why, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: And then and then yeah, and then as he just
fast troubles like that base, and of course he gets
there like within three seconds of him about to call captains,
you know. But it makes sense technically because you can
hear every what everyone is saying at every second. Ever,
so yeah, I guess he's got the biggest brain.
Speaker 1: He can do it.
Speaker 2: And then he's just not very engaging for a movie watcher.
Speaker 1: It's like he just shows up in the middle of
a yard and gets arrested. And that's why for me,
this definitely has shades of how Black Liddle felt like
a lesser Winter soldier. This feels like a lesser Civil
War where they're trying to, I think, do the Zmo
thing where it's like, oh, Zemo, you know, doesn't die,
kind of gives himself up right and they arrest them
and it's this big deal. But like here, it's just
so anti climatic, like these guards just come and throw
a leader to the ground and they arrest him and
he's in the raft, which bugs the fuck out of me.
Every time we go the raft. There's not a single
soul in there. Baron Zimo's in there at one point.
Abomination was in there. Even in the n Chris, which
was aubout later Ross is in there, he's nowhere to
be found while Captain America's talking like it bugs me
so much of like you can pay Livti to come
on set. You can't pay Daniel Brewe, who was in
though wins that have been a cool tie, right if
he walks by and sees Zmo and there's like a
even mini face off.
Speaker 2: But no, the raft is I how you get a
budget out of control there, Travis, you gotta be careful
with that.
Speaker 4: I ge't well, it sounds like they're already doing that.
So what's going on here?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, or just throwing some random seed
jet like let's be like, hey, what Marvel character are
We're not gonna use Oh we're not gonna use like
the beast Herder. Okay, throw the beast Herder back in
the background. That's cool, like something like that, right, Like
throw just some films in there.
Speaker 4: To show like, oh this is like like even in
was it an Endgame? Five years?
Speaker 1: I'm sure they caught some fucking weirdos in five years
in between movies, right, Like, there's no one in the raft,
just a small thing that bugs me every time. The
raft is a ghost Town except for whatever main character
our hero has to talk to. You know, let's take
it too that break, we'll be right back.
Speaker 4: And we're back.
Speaker 1: Do we have anything more on the Leader because we
should have cut that off.
Speaker 4: I liked his luck enough.
Speaker 1: I liked. I think Tim Blake Nelson's voice was really good.
I like the way he spoke. So it sucks that
I liked the presentation but not the quality of what
we got.
Speaker 5: His voice quality, it felt like it was like one
hundred and ten percent better than like everyone else. I
don't know what it was. It just sounded so crisp
compared to everyone that.
Speaker 2: Was hooked up to him was locked and loaded that
oh yeah.
Speaker 5: Per it was like a thousand dollars more expensive boom yeah.
Just every time he spoke, I swear I could like
hear it inside my head, like it was just it.
Speaker 4: Was the sound mixing though, right because he was supposed
to be in your hands that might have moved.
Speaker 5: No, it was effective. Like I I'm like, holy crap,
the Leaders speaking to me right now? So I agree,
I I I think I kept getting this character confused
with the green lantern guy, the guy with the big head.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: So that's literally who I was picturing coming into this movie,
and I thought that was from the fuck is his name?
Speaker 1: I'll get it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't remember a Hammond. Hector Hammond. Yeah, Like
I I literally thought that that's who this character was.
So I'm like, oh, this is a different actor, and
I'm like, oh, that's fucking in the Streets.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's a DC movie.
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, So I really didn't remember who this guy was.
He's from The Incredible Hulk. I haven't seen that movie
in so long.
Speaker 4: Yes, he's a good he's like, uh, he's just like
not a good guy.
Speaker 1: But he's another character trying to help the Hulk out
and then bad situations happened that create him to be
the leader. Which yet it's fun that he's mister Blue
because that's his code name in the movie, and then
they chose mister Blue song. So I like that as
a callback. That's a very fun because that's the whole movie.
Bruce Banner's talking to just like a blogger and it's
mister Blue, and he's trying like he's another scientist, yes,
and he's trying like he's Bruce has sent him his
blood DNA like, can you help me? He's like no,
I need you to be here. So I like there's
a fun little cult. Like I said, the people who
wrote this, they're fans of Incredible Hulk for sure, or
at least they give it a watch again.
Speaker 5: So they waited, you know, they did their wait in
seventeen years of it, and as.
Speaker 2: They did the Blade running this like written in the
raft waiting for.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, I was just gonna say, it's brutal when
you find out that Ross and co Are just like
putting more gamma into his brain just to fuck him up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that.
Speaker 5: What I was gonna say is like I was actually
like really impressed by his like explanation for his motivation.
I'm like, this is actually justified, Like this is this
is actually a decent villain origin story as opposed.
Speaker 2: To just like he stole my design and like like
you know, like just such a like sidewinder who only
cares about just here for the money. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So yes, I was pretty impressed. I think with just
majority of the stuff with the leader, I think just
certain I just wanted more. I think because because I
was interested and I like the look he was creepy.
I like his like glowy gamma eyes and yeah, I
don't know it just maybe because we had too many
pieces to the like on the on the chessboard, like
like we we couldn't really focus just with that character,
Like they try to make the villain not just that,
like maybe we just didn't have Sidewinder in this whole film,
but fits like the claw role as well, right, like
it's a very similar type of villain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like foreigner type any more thoughts. No, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I guess we should talk about now, just because like
I'm not gonna do a cutout for this end credit.
The end credit is mackiw which is so weird. Right
he goes to see Ross broken arm and everything cool.
I guess he came back to the raft just to
check on the Leader, which is just like why wouldn't
you just put an arm thing on him, Like if
it makes more sense to check on Ross and then
go check on Leader at the same time, Like why
did he come back for him? They had the most
generic Like I I would be willing to put this
in the bottom five rands MSU end credit scenings because
it's so lazy and it's so just like right, we're
doing doom. In the middle of this, our plan was king,
what do we do? Just have the leaders say that
other worlds are coming? Great? How does he know?
Speaker 2: Walt's yeah, well because he says specifically the others. Is
that like a reference to a specific thing?
Speaker 4: I think I don't think so. If it is, it's
some minor rap group in the Marvel something, but you.
Speaker 1: And that's all it is. And that's why I said
to Sticky Fingers, is coming, I said to Taylor, where
this again made me so mad? Where this, to me
feels like a perfect setup for Avengers five, which is
them versus the Masters of Evil. You could have Leader
Zemos in the raft like you have other characters. You
could pull officely thunderbolts happening. But just like, to me,
that's the set where it's like, oh, same thing, we're
pro If we don't get a Hulk movie, we're never
seeing the Leader again. But to be the Leader would
be a perfect Hey, we're gonna get six bad guys
who are like be tier but altogether making a tier team, right,
and they're gonna fight Mackie and his new Avengers. But no,
it's just for him to be like, Eh, there's not
that world's coming and that's where the people go, Oh,
I guess other worlds are coming, right, Like I just
like it's the at least with Fanos. It's like you
see a guy in space, he turns around, like who
is this ambiguous figure? Right? If they I would have
still not been a fan. But if it's like, Okay,
we're gonna just fucking show him down. He Dan's been here. Okay,
that's juicy. It's like you're showing down in his doom
and he's coming right. But it's just the leader just
like and technically I think he's still just making a guess.
I don't think he knows this. It's just probability that
there's other worlds. So this is to me a bottom
five MCU scene of just don't show anything, or just
show something for Thunderbolts. We did this in the past,
where like the ant Man end credit was a scene
for Civil War. Just promote your next movie.
Speaker 4: You know it might be lame. But it's just like
this is just so like, yeah, just like I don't know.
It's just they won't even say doomed because you know why,
they can't even like I have another point I'll.
Speaker 1: Say right here, I say this is Taylor. You know,
because we said this in the predictions, we thought, okay,
Avengers has to happen. Right, He's gonna talk with Fury,
He's gonna talk with some other Avengers. They even set
this up in this movie where Falcon the whole time
is talking about how he's a fan of ant Man. Right,
what a perfect way for to go see Paul Rudder like, hey,
we're putting the team back together, wanting to be right there,
you've made that bond of Falcon's a fan of ant Man.
Speaker 4: Let's go there friendly.
Speaker 1: Right. They won't do that, you know why because they
don't even fucking know who's on the Avengers. Because they
have no idea about any of this. They've not planned
this out. So that's why I'm like, why couldn't they
just have any Avenger because they don't even know. I
bet they don't even know if Paul Rudd's gonna be
an event. They don't even know if Bucky's gonna be
a Vanderin. That's what's so disappointing of Like, you could
have Nick Fear, you could have Robert Downy shop in
The Incredible Hulk end credits scene because you know Hulk's
gonna be there, but here it's just like it's so
just ambiguous, like oh, we're doing something, but it means nothing.
And it's so frustrating when it's the same, like not
the exact same, but like it's Foggy in company right,
and I just feel like I'm starting to say it
just reminds me a lot of twenty fifteen to twenty
seventeen DCEU, which is not good because then I feel
like we're gonna start seeing like does Foggy need to go?
And if it keeps going like this, like that's a
bad thing to say, but it's like this, it just feels.
Speaker 3: Like it's blind order.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't know, frustrating and credits scene
to me, very frustrating.
Speaker 5: It felt like a scene I had already seen before, honestly,
like like I not just in the MCU, but like
it just I guess Batman was pretty similar, like going
to see the Riddler, you know, like just going crazy
in the soull. I don't know, it just seemed like
we've been there before, and I didn't stay in the theater. Thankfully,
you guys told me so I just watched it in
my car after.
Speaker 4: Remember they were talking about Batman. Remember in BVS.
Speaker 1: At the end he goes sees Luther and Luthor talks
about how they're coming and they're coming for the boxes.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, it's the exact same dialogue. Yeah, you're right,
And it's like the most generic thing to cover, like
they are coming, like a threat is coming, okay, place for.
Speaker 1: Us to be going into Doomsday's Secret Wars where we're
comparing the BBS, you know, jail scene, Like that's where
I'm like, fuck man, like we like, I just feel
like we're so fucked for to tell the listeners, I
rewatch Infinny Warren Endgame, and to me, I completely think
we're fucked for Secret Wars and dooms they like. Seeing
the quality was like we're gonna get nowhere closest and
seeing this movie, even though I'm not gonna fail this movie,
there's aspects where I go, oh, we're so fucked, like
and this end credit was like, oh, we're fucked Like
this is like they don't know what We're just throwing ship.
Speaker 2: The wall, So can I guess somewhere more fun and positive?
Speaker 1: Til you have anything? So credit.
Speaker 3: It would have been nice to get something a little
bit more certain and not so ambiguous.
Speaker 4: Okay, take a still, well said dad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Isaiah Bradley and walking Torres and Cap when they're
just hanging out. I love those scenes. I think they
were all really fun. I think the dynamic is really
great there, Isaiah Bradley. Anyone know the actor's name off
the top of their.
Speaker 4: Head, Carl Lumbley. It's it's l U.
Speaker 2: Carl Lumbley.
Speaker 1: L why I always screwed up because it's a weird thing.
But yeah, Carl.
Speaker 2: He was the star of the show for me. I
thought he was fantastic in this. I kind of, you know,
somewhat remember with a foggy memory, like his role in
Falcon and a Soldier. It's just been a while. I
haven't rewatched that or anything, but I thought he was
so great in this. I thought he brought the emotion
when he needed to. He brought that like Harrison Ford
curmudgeon le guy energy when he needed to. But like
when he gets this suit and they're in the limo
and they're going to the place, you know, it's it's
not on top tier like MCU Slice of Life stuff.
But when we think about like the Avenger too, like
party scene or just like small little scenes where characters
are hanging out having a good time, kind of the
the filler scenes, so to speak. I just had so
much fun with that stuff here, even the training gym.
I think, Travis, you like that. I agree with you
on the humor, Like most of the jokes in this
movie are like, you know, solid five out of ten,
maybe a six out of ten. It's like, yeah, sure,
maybe a slight chuckle, but probably not. And I think
some of the old man like phone stuff was like, yeah,
I don't I'm not loving this necessarily, but otherwise I
really enjoyed those scenes. And then afterwards, you know, even
gets a little more emotion after Sam and Isaiah Bradley
go back to his office there and talk a little
bit more. But yeah, I really enjoyed that stuff in
the movie. I think that was probably the highlight for me.
It was kind of the trio there and even walking
like he is supposed to be the goofy sidekick guy,
always equipping and stuff, but I still think he brought
some heart. I think the chemistry was good between them.
So yeah, that's the stuff that I think. I'm gonna
remember about this movie. Weirdly enough, I'm not gonna remember
the whole stuff. I'm not gonna remember the leader and whatnot.
I'm just gonna and probably just remember like that little trio.
And it really makes me curious how Little Falcon is
gonna be used going forward, because obviously, if we're set
up here with like what we have, when we're continuing
on this trajectory, it seems like he would be promoted.
Maybe maybe he's too much of a novice to be
on the actual Avengers. No, it was kind of good debate,
but it's like story wise, it would make sense if
we like are going in that direction. I think he's
a bit Yeah, it's not really skilled enough yet. I
mean he barely made it or that one fight alive.
But I don't know in terms of like they're dynamic together.
I want to see them more together, but it is
hard to envision like where exactly that would happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like Sam's speech if like you got to earn,
which was very funny. He's like, oh, you know, like
I all this pressure and he's like you don't screw
up on a pressure? Sam, So like, yeah, no, I
don't and then he talks about why he doesn't, but
like he never I thought he's gonna be like, Oh,
he's gonna tell all the times he failed. No, Sam
Wilson does not fail, I guess. But yeah, that's the
thing that I like the speech. But that's where it's like,
in the back of my mind, he was like, Oh, yeah,
you just got to build up and earn it. And
he's like, yeah, I want that pressure on my should
or something like we're not gonna get the same way
we got to see that build from Sam to come
cap or we're not going to get that here. And
that's where it's like it like almost rings hollow and
I'd be fine that, but like, there's no chance this
guy's fighting.
Speaker 2: It's almost like when Spidey's like, I just need a suit.
He's like, if you've if you're nothing without the suit,
you know wherever that quote is from Ironman, It's like
he just wants the Waconda like upgrade armor and he
thinks that everything will be okay if he gets upset.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I'd like to see more And yeah,
to me, uh, Carl Umblee is a fucking lock. Next
year for Golden Geeks Marl Golden geeks for supporting actor
wherever he was. He's great, fog warn soldier, he's great here.
The only thing I would have wanted more not from him,
just the writing. I would have loved a scene specifically
with him and Harrison Ford because I thought that would
have been cool. And he even refers to saying like
he has history with Ross, so it'd be another great
person to show like, hey, I know we have history
war times, but like I want to change this.
Speaker 2: This feels like a scene that would get cut, like
if you needed to, if you had issues with this
movie with we know it did like maybe it did
happen or maybe they couldn't figure out how to write it.
It made a way that made sense.
Speaker 1: That's what's sad, because that's the whole thing right there,
is like, hey, I hate what happened to you. You
know when you were Captain America. They pretty much just
like threw him in jail. But I want to make
sure that especially because like he brings up like, oh
you are Captain America to that president, right, and for
I would have loved to see off Harrison Ford be
like what happened to you? I'm not gonna let happen
to him like even though again later on we talked
about the issues with some of his turn but I
just wanted because Ford and carl were so good. I
would love to see them in a scene together doing
like this great old man like Grumpy to George Charlie.
Speaker 4: You could make some shots each other the past war.
So I wish that happened.
Speaker 2: But yeah, my last last point on you know this
happens a lot. And once again going back to like
a mind control thing is like when you have a
character who like spends the whole movie mind controlled, and
it's like, yeah, okay, like we're not really getting to
see like that actual character. So I like that he
got mine controlled, but it was for like literally thirty seconds,
and then we did. We got to see like the
aftermath that before Math movie. We mostly got to spend
the time with him as an actual character, and then
just like the tiny little bit of of mind controlledness
so we don't have to It's not like Bucky, who
just you know, spends like a ton of these movies.
Sometimes mind controls don't really get to see the character.
It's more just kind of the antagonist factor. But I
think they I got the balance there right with that character.
That was kind of like everyone like they get my control,
like a scene and either they would kill themselves like
that one security guard, or they're just like back to
normal seemingly.
Speaker 5: Not those fucking f eighteen pilots though, I swear they're
like still mine controlled. That was a long time. They're
like they're doing barrel rolls, They're they're swooping. Yeah, they're
doing straight runs like that song is just on read
in the calv of Yeah, the fighter playing there, which
was so fun.
Speaker 4: When Sam's like he flies up to the Japanese.
Speaker 1: Fighters right and he's like they pulled back, like like
stop fighting, and you just see the American pilots coming
at them shooting missiles. It's like what are what is
the Japanese pilots supposed to do?
Speaker 4: Like he's like, yeah, stop it, like stop the fighting,
and it's like no, they gotta they gotta fight back.
Speaker 1: Like it was such a just like a funny lame
moment to me.
Speaker 5: You're like focus on like this enemy fighter trying to
kill you, and then you just have this fucking flying
man that's like somehow speaking Japanese to you, like through
your your headphones right now, Like it just it was
a weird sequence there. But uh, getting back to mister
Isaiah Bradley, Yeah, I know, I think he was stellar.
I think his story was so just impactful. Like hearing
that from Falcon Winter sold Like I had no idea
who that character was before then, and then after hearing that,
I'm like, holy fuck, Like this is such a crazy
history of just the super Soldiers, and I thought it
was just such a phenomenal like way to tell that
story through Falcon especially just like you know, being like
the the the first like Captain America that was hidden
from the government because he was black and all these
other reasons, and then here you have Sam Wilson be
like the new black Captain America. And then they just
like bonded throughout that show. So I was like really
happy to have him in here. I like that they're
actually like really close, Like it seems like he's just
always checking in with him, and you know, like that
is the original Captain America. He doesn't have Steve Rogers,
so it's kind of like his resource to like help
I don't know, just training, what like like all all
these factors, all these things that he probably would have
done with Steve, like he has Isaiah for that. So
I think it's just such a nice special bond and
it doesn't feel like it doesn't feel out of out
of the realm of possibility for him to like take
Isaiah to the White House because it because it's it's
not like he's just pulling him out of hiding and
like putting him in the a potential threat area. It's
like this is what he deserves, Like this is like
he's been in or I can't even I think it
was like twenty or thirty years he was in jail
and here he is in like the White House. Like
it's just such an important, like full circle moment for
that character. And then obviously, like ten minutes later it's
a completely like just worst case scenario where he is
the one with a gun. I can't remember was it
his gun or he just he just got it from
someone like it did Okay, yeah it was. It was
a fast sequence, But I did love that suite like that.
I think that moment for me was like Okay, I'm
like itching in my seat, like I'm like, hey, I'm
engaged now, like this this is totally different than what
I was maybe expecting just because it had been pretty
safe before that, like just the Three Amigos, like you know,
playing Capture the Flag, uh not Capture the play football essentially,
you know, in the training gym, he's got his flags
that he's pulling off of him, and it's just like,
I don't know, lighthearted up until that point, but then
it's like, holy shit, Isaiah Bradley's now like enemy Numero uno.
And just the sequence when he's just like basically almost
in tears, like I can't go back like I was
in jail for all that time, Like he's just getting
taken back into that hell hole that he was in,
not like he's going into solitary, like all of these
extreme things. I think it was very effective in what
they're doing with that character here, and I was definitely
bummed that he didn't get any sequences with mister Thunderbolt
Ross here, and it also like for me, I just
felt like it was a big, a big point of
emphasis in this movie that like, Okay, Ross made mistakes
and he's trying to be better now, he completely like
for his own gain, like fucked over Sam Wise. What's
his name, yes, Stern, not Sam Wise. Stern Samuel Stern. Yeah,
like basically just kept him like like it's just like
the most extreme, basically type of torture where he's just
like fucking him up permanently for life just to stay
it like that is that's like crimes against humanity like
that that is a serious, serious offense, and it's just
kind of like glossed over, like it's not really that
important of like a consequence for I guess he's in
the raft at the end of the at the end
of the day, but it's mostly for me because he
tore up the whole fucking White House, the like all
these like important landmarks, like that's probably more so why
he's there versus fucking over sam Wise Stern. He's here,
but uh, anyways, so so he did that to him,
But then he also did something very similar to Isaiah
here where he knew that Isaiah wasn't guilty and he
just fucking kept him there. And it's like, like, I thought,
he's supposed to be better here, and I know we
kind of already talked about that earlier, but it's just
like doubling down on that where it just seem like
two instances of something very similar and then at the
end when he's in the raft, he's like, oh, did
Isaiah get out? Okay, that's good. Yeah, no, I'm happy.
But it's like, you don't fucking care, Like you're only
thinking about that right now because you're in the raft
and all you have is time to think about these things.
So I spewed a lot there, you know, a lot
of jankie thoughts. But Isaiah Bradley's phenomenal. I'm definitely backing you.
In gold Geeks next.
Speaker 1: Year, Isaiah was also in a jail where the other
people were getting murdered that were a part of this,
and it's like, you got to get him out now, like,
like he can killed at any point is the time?
And you said something a while back that I want
to touch on. I really love the scene that he's
telling Sam to leave him alone and leave the situation
alone for the benefit of Like he doesn't want Black
Captain America being pulled into this, Like it's so sad
that he knows Sam can maybe happen, but he's like,
I don't want you to get hurt.
Speaker 4: In this one.
Speaker 1: Really, like Bradley's the one getting just screwed over this
kind of situation. But how selfless it he is, is
like just let me row in here and just try
and go out there and be cap you know, and
it's just it's a great moment, and I'm very happy.
I was very worried that character was getting killed off again.
I don't know when we would see him. I have
some hope that we will get a Cap five or
even a TV show or something. I don't know. I
would just again, I like these characters a law in here,
so I was at least happy he didn't die so
we could maybe see him again down the line or
hell even like give us like old man Steve and
Isaiah Bradley, like I want to see that happen, you know,
Like Isaiah's just a great character half and that to me,
will be ashamed of. This movie doesn't do well because
I think a lot of these characters we won't see
ever again, if not for a scene when they're like
reacting to like Downey coming from the skies and yeah,
like or no, like my comparison, like ned And and
Finny war he's on the bus and then you don't
see him again. Right, It's just like that where he'll
be like he'll be having lunch with Isaiah and then yeah,
he'll see down here like I gotta go to work.
He's like, yeah you do, and then he goes.
Speaker 5: You know, so with how much I love Isaiah, like
I do want to see him again, but like that
guy deserves his the nose looking out in the sunset,
like just fucking let him rest. I don't want him
to be brought back into another threat where he's getting brain.
Speaker 3: I guess the only.
Speaker 1: Hope is we have is because they set him up,
but he wasn't in this mood they said they cut
him that. I don't think they film. Seems they just
come from the script. But remember his nephew becomes the Patriot.
So my hope is that that kid is in Champions
and that's where we get Bradley. I would love it
if Bradley is like one of the mentees towards all
the young Avengers. Hell yeah, give us.
Speaker 2: Kicking punching bags at these kids and just knocking them out.
Speaker 5: Looking like an elder ring boss.
Speaker 2: Just love it did look like a war hammer.
Speaker 1: The ship scar in front of everybody. You know, it's
just your king, just nuts.
Speaker 2: Us Scar number one and Bruce isn't even.
Speaker 1: Sad about it. He's like, oh yeah, and he's he's
a ship kid. Anyways, alright, p Scar did anything on Bradley,
you want to move on.
Speaker 3: I'm just happy that he got a little bit more
uh screen time here after seeing him a captain sorry
winter soldier. Yeah, he just he just got done so
dirty and the fact that they were looking at evidence
that he was of course you were highlighted the fact
that he was being mind controlled and brainwashed. And then
his uh like Ross's had a security A former Widow
Redroom trainee is even saying like, oh, yeah, there he's
he's innocent developments yaha, yeada. But Ross is like, no,
just keep him in there. He just had it out
for for Bradley, which is just terrible. Until the very
end doesn't seem like Bradley had any help from Ross
to get out.
Speaker 1: Of Again, maybe given that scene where Ross is trying
to give an old branch and maybe Bradley just like
motherfuckers him and like maybe embarrasses him in front some people, right,
so might give Ross inmovation and be like, oh, I
can see like he knows he's in the wrong. But
Ross is a little pissed off at him still or something,
but no, there's there's nothing there.
Speaker 3: He plays a conversation over the speakers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Ruth, you brought up Ruth.
Speaker 2: Ruth.
Speaker 1: Sorry this character because I want to make a point
because whatever this character remind me where again the falcon
were soldier. They took Sharon Carter where flaky character and
all the infinny were right. But they go and make
her the power broker in retrospect, why do that? Just
have heard this character here and have another tie to
the old Captain America movies. It's like we're never seeing
Ruth ever again. I thought the actress was fine here,
they didn't get much work growth that I also didn't like.
Even with some performances, you go, oh, I see more.
I don't care if I ever seen this character again.
But that's where it's like, this would have been a
perfect Sharon Carter role of oh, she's the assistant to Ross.
Now we have some history there. You don't got to
do this backstory we've always seen on the MSU kicking
ass and doing those flip of dos and everything like that.
So I just thought the whole time I was watching,
it's like they wasted this whole thing, Like Sharon Carter's
a villain. Now she's the power broker, which again, are
we ever seeing that? Is that ever gonna tie in
on something? No, they'll like kill her off in an
episode of Falcon two, but like that's where it's just
like I was like, ah, I wish that was that,
because then you could have taken all that backstory that
even she had and you just be like, oh, we
know Sharon Carter.
Speaker 4: Okay, go like you know the dynamics go. Not Oh,
she's a black widow. Now she's against Sam.
Speaker 1: You to do that, like she can be against Sam
because you can say, hey, Ross got me my job back,
because I just watched one on her soldiers. She also
and she was on the run when she got back
from being blipped or something like that, like the government
like like Brander as a criminal, strip of everything, right, easy, dude,
Just yeah, Ross gave me all this back and now
I'm here. Uh yeah.
Speaker 4: I didn't care for the roof characters. Just thought it
was another unneeded character.
Speaker 2: So m she felt she felt weirdly like a plot
device character that could have fairly easily been written out
of the movie altogether. Like I feel like any other
any purpose that she had, like there was another character
that could have done the job, Like we had the
other assistant lady who Sam was friends with. I don't
was she from Falcon Winter soldierly not right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, she wasn't quite the agent spy
fighting type. She was more like personal holds the clipboard
kind of type. But I feel like maybe they could
have put those some of those scenes over there and
we could have easily got around some of it. So
it was kind of odd, and like the black widow
tie thing, it just felt like, if you're gonna do that,
you gotta give her like some badass, cool fight scene
like she did paze a couple of people with like
a classic black widow rod, but like that was kind
of it. So it just felt like a weird addition.
H So, yeah, I think that was what was what
was even the point at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because when they get to the sub, Sam just
flies there. It's not because he's like he walks right
in and Ross like what's he doing here? He has
all these securities, all these jets, but Sam just still
flew right in, just landed good to go, you know.
So she did not like she gave him clear and
so like here, Sam, here's a car to get through
the door.
Speaker 4: He just flew there.
Speaker 3: So and the comics apparently this character is actually a mutant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they took that out. A lot of the things
that are conscious with the character they took out as well,
so I.
Speaker 2: Could still be a mutant. This is not deconfirmed. You'll
look at her blood. Sample was like leader does.
Speaker 1: Right, You'll never see his character ever again. I'll pizza
beout anybody on that. So what if she's Jubilee, Great,
I'm actually Jubilee.
Speaker 4: So yeah, good old anything else from Ruth ruthed out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about I guess we talked about Bucky.
We quickly we got that appearance there.
Speaker 4: It was fun. I like the speech.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got that there, even though again we uh
kind of retread some Falcon Winsolder stuff. Like we talked
about we set up that he's running for Congress, I guess,
which makes sense because in Thunderbolts he's sitting in you know,
the the some sort of hearing or something.
Speaker 4: I don't really know if I need this with Bucky.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I buy it, Like Bucky's finally
be anything politically, like he's fine after Falcon Soldier, he's
finally a free man and he's gonna like run for
office or being like I buy him getting in the fight.
Speaker 4: I don't buy him sitting.
Speaker 1: In a bar rooms. But what I will say, what
I want to bring him up is when he was
on screen, we our theater was I don't know, forty
percent full, maybe that everybody shuffled in their seats, and
that told me. I was like, Okay, I don't know
what they're doing. I wouldn't have predicted this before, but
in that Avengers lineup, I think Bucky actually has to
be on the fucking team because you have so few
of those. I think right now, if people that get
people excited when he was in showed up or hold
like people were excited to see him, and I'm I'm
more like Subastian stand now because I think he's just
evolved as actor. Had a great year last year. I'm
excited for Thunderbolts. But I was like, you need I
think you need him now. I think that's another cast
I want to do is who should be the Avengers now?
When it's like before it's like, oh, might be sure
he and Captain Marvel. It's like, I don't know if
you can have Captain mar like after that movie Bomb, Like,
but I think you could have Bucky. So but that
was my point of like I just people were surprisedly,
very hyped and yeah, good to see him, and point still.
Speaker 5: Is definitely yeah, congratulations. It's definitely like a repeat scene,
like we've been here before. Just the dialogue the two,
especially what they're covering still gotta be, if not one
my second favorite scene of the entire movie, Like, like
it was just it was exciting to see him there.
I think also just when he walks to the room,
you know, private room, nobody answers, and then of course
I'm just like, who the fuck could it be? And
then I'm just getting all excited. It's just like before
like the reveal happens, and then when I saw him,
I just I don't know, it was just like a
nice friendly face and I'm just thinking about Falcon Winter
Soldier and just the way that they bonded there and
Sam just really being you know, he's got he's got
a little Falcon. But like this is kind of more
of a solo t I guess it's not really a
solo trip. It feels like a solo trip just because
there has been like a big other Avenger type character
with him, so to have Bucky there, Yeah, I got
a little. I got a little emotional, and I'm just
talking about Steve too, and then of course I'm thinking
about Steve and endgame, and of course I'm getting all emotional.
So I think that was a really really good scene,
even though I basically had that whole dialogue already, so
so it was definitely effective for me, agreed.
Speaker 1: Surprisingly, he didn't have any pictures of Steve in his office,
which was odd to me. He had pictures of him
with Bucky, with his sister.
Speaker 5: And the next to his bed.
Speaker 1: But yeah, which I like, I Oh, sorry, tell you
got anything I Bucky seen before I take us someone else.
Speaker 3: It's just it caught me off guard, even though I
feel like I should have expected it or it was
some shape or form, even a phone call. But uh, yeah, no,
I think it was. It was cool to see him
and get that again. My revelation that he's he's running
for office congressman. Just crazy, crazy unitedything can happen. I
was joking with Travis' theater, you know, American politics, you know, and.
Speaker 5: Is he Democrats the Republican He will never say that.
Speaker 1: They will never ever say any of those two words
that you just said in the MC the same way
like Harrison Ford didn't even have a vice president of
this movie.
Speaker 4: Who Now we didn't meet them, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Ruth. Maybe Ruth gets the upgrade.
Speaker 1: I will see her again. She's the president former black
widow is the president. The man killed GfK. He's a
congressman and she's.
Speaker 5: Not even an American person, right, Like they say that
she cares Israel?
Speaker 4: Who cares?
Speaker 1: Now in the MC like we'll let anybody run.
Speaker 4: But at the current, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: My question for when we're talking about the office there
and I can't remember we spewed off somewhere else some
circling back to it about Sam and Avengers and cap
and everything. I really don't know how he's operating because
like Steve Rogers was with Shield and then when Shield
fill part, Tony was giving them money, right and if
our soldier they established that like Sam does not have money,
he's been gone for five years.
Speaker 2: Some of the Avengers are just poor.
Speaker 1: He can't get.
Speaker 4: Alone from the bank. That's a storyline, the bank will
give him alone, so he when we get up here,
he has a whole office. He has a glass window,
that has.
Speaker 5: A nice place. Man, that's a nice place.
Speaker 1: They establish he's not with the American government yet thought
Ross is trying to get that going again. So he's
not with them. Tony's dead and they statis soldier. He
has no money, so I have no idea where he's
getting these suits from. I guess we'll con it, right,
But I have no idea where he's getting like travel
tickets like anything. So it's just a funny one. When
I saw his base here, yeah, I guess so, right,
he's charging like, oh yeah Sidewinder kill, Yeah, only ten
million dollars for.
Speaker 5: Catch Meywauquin's like inherited inheritance. Maybe he's like superloaded, like Sunspot,
you know.
Speaker 4: Give to me, give to me walking. But yeah, just
a funny moment.
Speaker 5: But you want to be my falcon?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah. Sidewinder who had a few appearances in
this movie. He was at the beginning of the movie
who had he was stealing the Adamantian and in the
middle of the movie he just randomly attacks Sam in
the middle of the road gets arrest.
Speaker 3: Sam should have been killed dead on right there.
Speaker 5: He was fully loaded. Did you see what he happened
to that trench coat? He had like infinite mags grenades away.
Speaker 2: Forties waiting to confirm the kill.
Speaker 4: He's ready to drop on. He got a lot of
battle passes.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, him and Sam fight in a scrap
yard where there was a second. Sam hits him in
the chest with a knife. I thought he was dead
and I was gonna laugh so much on this view
if John Carlo has been propping himself up and they
just killed him for his appearance, but.
Speaker 4: No, he's not.
Speaker 2: Sorry, quick question, what what the hell happened? Sam like
was pouring liquid on like a car battery or something
like that great smoke so.
Speaker 1: He could be seen.
Speaker 2: There was like no smoke on I.
Speaker 1: Think there was, but it was like all you could
see everything. That's what he was trying to do so
he could sneak up on sidewine.
Speaker 4: He was home alone, give him.
Speaker 1: The back one.
Speaker 5: I thought it was like a toxic gas. I'm like,
that can't be good, and he's like inhaling it and
it just does the fucking drop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then later on randomly which I guess I missed,
but he's starting at the bearded guy. He goes, this
guy has little armies out of a base and they're
talking about like, man, we really need some leader, some
informational leader.
Speaker 4: So what does Sam do? Walk like three feet and
Sidewark was just there.
Speaker 1: Chain up.
Speaker 4: He's like, I hear you want to know what the
leader and it's just like I didn't even know Sidewinder
was here.
Speaker 1: And it's very convenient that just like the one guy
that has all the answers, this just happens to be.
Speaker 2: And also his negotiation skills are awful. It's like, first
I need a deal. He's like, you're not gonna get
that deal. He's like, what about this deal? He's like,
how do you tell me the information? First gets all
the information, that just fucking walks off.
Speaker 5: Like he like hardballs him too. He's like, I'll speak
if I get full immunity. I just like, first I'll
laugh and I'm like, holy fuck, that's a wild ass,
and then gettles for like I'm gonna go to prison,
but I want like my own cell. It's like, okay,
we'll see you already gave me the information, so I'm
no incentive to actually give you what you asked for.
Speaker 1: But yeah, all his scenes, it's always John Carlo like
very secluded with somebody else, like you're very added on.
I guess I thought that might help this movie. I
love John Carlow. The problem is one, I don't think
he's that big enough to start and two is a
character we've seen many times before, so it just it
didn't do. I just kind of laughed anytime he was
on screen. I thought Juck car was bringing it. But
I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just I think I just laughed this whole situation
and hadilla and your singer head.
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't bringing it. You didn't like what John
what was he bringing?
Speaker 2: Name one thing? He was juice, the sauce, the meat,
none of it.
Speaker 1: He had quite a few like smirks when stuff was
going on, and he had like a crazy look in
his eye that I enjoyed. So I'm not saying I
need to see him though, again, Like if they know,
if we never see side one or again, I'm not
gonna cry about it.
Speaker 5: So okay, you'll see him again.
Speaker 2: Well, what if that was the thing at the end
of the movie, not Captain America will be back, but Sidewonder,
I can't wait.
Speaker 1: He h.
Speaker 3: He completely caught me off guard. I did not know
what to expect from this character, but him just doing
his crazy ship at the church at the start and
just pissed off about how the buyer did the show.
I'm gonna find who wasted my time and kill him.
Speaker 5: But he's totally much.
Speaker 4: Why would you person?
Speaker 1: The leaders like, oh, sorry, I screwed you up on
the deal.
Speaker 4: Here's a new deal.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, I guess it's I guess if
you get up for a date and the date person's like, oh,
but we'll go on a date for sure this time.
You just take them for your word. I guess. I
don't know you are I guess.
Speaker 4: So depends up pictures again. Sam's opening up his phone
message from Sidewinder. What crazy.
Speaker 5: I'll forget your bud.
Speaker 2: That's what the flashing on the screen was. Bradley was
seeing some crazy pictures.
Speaker 5: He tries to kill the president. Killed the president.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he he could have been written a little
bit better with motivations and whatnot, but yeah, all he
was just a crazy uh gun for hire uh And
he honestly really could have I'm surprised he didn't kill
Anthony Mackie, Sam Falcon just like holy Ship, because he
was just you know, like you said, packing heavy, dude.
Speaker 5: It was a good bush. It was a good fucking
on it. It was a jump scare.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, he wasn't successful though, to me, that's a good.
Speaker 5: Ambush, you know, I mean, it's fucking Captain America, you know,
if he's going after I think I think my prom was.
Speaker 2: But Isaiah Bradley was saying, it's all but who gets
the last punch?
Speaker 1: Right? He did?
Speaker 2: He got the first punch, but not the last punch.
Speaker 1: He throws one grenade and the second that grenade blows up,
he calls the leader like kill confirmed, I'll have confirmations.
Speaker 5: It's like, what like kill confirmed, about to confirm?
Speaker 3: Even I was convinced that Sam was dead though, I mean.
Speaker 4: It's just Sam And yeah, what do you think is
gonna have little Falcon is gonna lead the movie?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: A little falcon. Yeah, Ruth comes in stars the movie.
Speaker 3: I was just blown away because he hipped like and
we have to remember Sam still has a broken rib
here from his fight, so he's still injured. And then
all we see is just uh Sidewinder just pumping like
knives and daggers throwing knives. Oh yeah, and like he's
still just fighting like he doesn't have super healings. So
it's that was a little bit.
Speaker 1: They weren't deep stabs though, you know the.
Speaker 3: One down below felt like a very deep stab.
Speaker 1: Then had I think he still had his hand on
Sidewater in his hand, so he didn't get the full impact,
which I also did.
Speaker 5: An inch is a lot, and I feel like it
was like almost two inches in him, like.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go.
Speaker 5: He shook us full penned whish.
Speaker 1: That's what I appreciated in the Hulk fight that he
didn't take a lot of damage. He was just using
lots of gadgets and tech and he was like constantly
on the move. Because I know so many people like,
oh my god, how does this human fight the Red Hulk.
Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know. This Dude's fought.
Speaker 1: Fucking aliens like we're in a comic book world. He
has Wakanda tech now like, and I was fine because
there's no point where he was like going toe to
toe with the Hulk and fisticos.
Speaker 5: He's never like catching his hands. You know, like he
was always moving.
Speaker 1: Throwing stuff, like he felt like a projectile fighter. You
would be like supporting, like I'm leg what's on the back,
like shooting shit? Like I liked the fight with Red
Hulk and how he did it, and like we said
at the beginning, I like just how these multiple landmarks
are just getting destroyed and that white house just got demolished.
Speaker 5: His broken Now definitely he's not like a super super
serumed character, but like still, I loved all the sequences
of him using his gadgets. I'm like, man, like, I
want to play this guy an Ultimate Alliance or something like.
I like what they're showing off. It was a sweet
move set and the Condon addition was just so fantastic.
I I since Black Panther, like I thought it was
just such a cool tech where it just absorbs the
energy and then shoots it back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: It was a great way to handle.
Speaker 4: The whole punches it the first time.
Speaker 1: The kind of energy is like bounced you off his wings,
Like okay, cool, that's that's a good way to establish
like how powerful Red Hulk get.
Speaker 5: Totally yeah, it's like what can beat the Red Hulk well,
his own energy right, so that that kind of makes
sense there, and just to concentrate in like a knife
point to just kind of cut through his skin.
Speaker 4: There, Oh those back cuts that kept showing, Oh.
Speaker 5: Yeah it was.
Speaker 2: There was some like bloody robots were like shooting the
wounds specifically targeted strike going onizing it just just first day.
Speaker 1: He's to be a belly sleeper in the raft. He
an't layd my back for a couple of years now,
you know.
Speaker 5: You know when he comes to him, he's like fetal position.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 4: He wasn't on his back, so I, lily, he can't
sleep on his back. Literally, I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: It's that was heart met He's this guy's dead in
three to five days.
Speaker 5: His heart's not pumping to you know, get the blood out. Anyways,
He's fine with with Ross.
Speaker 3: When he turned like no one really asked questions like
his his government like they're supposed to protect him. They
just send it in the helicopter drones. Everyone was opening fire.
They had swatting the roof. They were gunning him down
like they were ready to just.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't you know what Hulk does though, I would run,
I would not take up my rinky dank pistol.
Speaker 5: But like your job is a guy with the gun
and you're supposed to save civilians, was to save the president,
like these people put president over civilians. I would say,
so the killing the monster that I've seen what the
Hulks can do.
Speaker 3: But the only time Hulk in I mean, if we
put an incredible Hulk aside, if we just look into
all these other films, the only time Hulk went rogue
was in Age of Ultron. Other than that, like, no
one's ever turning on the Hulk or doing anything like
he's always no.
Speaker 1: I think an incredible Hulk, the public would have thought
he was rogue too, right, because he was just beating
up army people, remember like Tim Roff and everything. So
I bet the public would have looked at as as
a monster destroying people like innocent people.
Speaker 5: I think also like the fact he threw the fucking
pedestal thing at like civilians, right, Like.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, some rude questions.
Speaker 1: You know, he technically did not kill a single person
the Red Hulk I was watching, he didn't kill anybody
because I'm pretty sure those helicopters were drone copters and.
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, there's probably some dude napping in
the woods when uh, when Sam's like leading him to
the woods and he just does his Hulk jump and
just lands on the fucking forest, and it just like
reverbs out. I'm like, at least a fucking deer got killed,
Like there's someone that's making out and then you just.
Speaker 1: Get landed on by a Red Hulk.
Speaker 4: You know, Oh, finally, I've loved you for so long.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying on screen, technically, Red Holf did not
kill single soul, So I'll just let you know because
I was watching because every time they kept doing this
thing where they'd show a crowd of people, Red Hulk
would look and they's like back way and then another
crowd he looks. It's like, okay, they're not gonna have
him fuck up anybody because they want the happy ending, right,
because it would be a little messed up if he's like,
we just see dozens of blood people's blood on him,
and then at the end he's like, I really miss you, Betty.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm sorry about all that shit, and yeah,
he didn't kill anybody.
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 5: Can you imagine you're just sitting in the woods and
you just see this coming down flying at you.
Speaker 1: Which that bugged me talking about Red hul Cock when
he came back as ross the pants still fit. Are
you fucking kidding me? Are you killing standing there butt
ass naked? Yeah, and hard as a rock, But no,
like Bruce Benner at least goes and gets stretchy things.
Speaker 4: So like a dastune, he was just wearing a regular suit,
like to be the president and he has to.
Speaker 2: On the first butt cheeks and the MC first full frontal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would have couldn't imagine that.
Speaker 1: Like weeks before we get the ratings d R and
we're like, oh, they're really gonna go hard with this
Red Hulk stuff and everything, and it's just because it's naked.
Speaker 5: It's like a zoom in shot too, like like a
like something like that, like not even just trying to
hide it.
Speaker 4: Like you have you ever seen Walk Card from Doe
Cox Walk Card?
Speaker 2: No, it's been a minute.
Speaker 1: There's a moment where John c ries on the phone
and a dude walks up and it's just full cock
in his face.
Speaker 4: But like they don't even anoledge.
Speaker 1: He's just talking like yeah, no, we're just on the
road playing our music and the guy's there and he's
like itching himself, like that's exactly what it should have been.
But I know the pants still fit somehow, So yeah,
I wish we saw a bit more of the firepowers.
Speaker 4: We saw it around him, and I know he gets help.
Speaker 1: I wish we used a bit more than I don't
think he like creates fireballs and throws him, but it's
more like when he's punching.
Speaker 4: Kicking fire around him. So yeah, a little more spicy.
Speaker 5: I wanted to feel more different than what just the
Hulk was like. It just felt like a you know,
like a chroma change on on the regular green Hulk
to red, Like is red Hulks must be bigger as well?
I thought he was. It seemed pretty think.
Speaker 1: So okay, there could be, but that's not a thing
that I've ever heard, like, you know, like he's the
big one, you know.
Speaker 4: But it was nice to see an it was it
was nice to see an angry Hulk again because I
missed those days.
Speaker 5: So yeah, for sure look great too, you know, cgi
looked phenomenal. It was quite the contrast of going from
like this Jack six pack red Hulk and then it
just goes down to shriveled old man Harrison ford Man.
Speaker 2: The green screen looks so bad with cap though. In
that final dialogue sequence when he's when he's when the
sun's getting real low and he's talking him down, it
looked so bad.
Speaker 5: I want to ban all fucking bright CGI background scenes.
This bugs me so much. Especially MCU is so bad
for this. We have these moments and like that when
they're on the Hellic Hellic Carrier. I think when they're
in the air does look so bad. But like when
they're on the hell Carrier and they're looking up and
where the fuck's the image?
Speaker 1: Look at it?
Speaker 5: My son, I don't I don't know if we have
it anymore. But like it, it's the same thing from
fucking thor where it's just that bad and it looks
so just saturated, like it's just it bugs me so much.
It happened multiple times in this movie. I fucking hate
when movies have the daytime, like just do it more
dusky to kind of hide it. I don't know if
you can really work around it that way.
Speaker 1: Here's the problem though, with that cap see at the
end there, because if people thought about this with those
those lilies and everything like that, I can't get a
bigger image. But they shot that shit like practically, like
it's not those Flare stuff. That's not CGI.
Speaker 4: They weren't there.
Speaker 1: They built it step but stills not CGI. And the
fact that they color grade their shit and they like
that's the thing, is like it just looks fake too.
That's it's just these over gray and just like it's
just no life in some of these CAUs I don't know.
And thunderbolts to me, that chair looks very gray as
well too. I know the director joked about them be
like it's good gray, but I'm like, I'm just tired
of that's great. Yeah, I'm tired of gray. I'm tired
of colors that are just just weirdly not pink but pink.
But I digress.
Speaker 5: Uh, Little Falcon I didn't really speak too much about
like humor for me, didn't really hit for him, But
I did like the character dynamic. I like that he's
like a fanboy of Sam and he's like just getting
this this honor. I was also just confused of what
his like act like he's supposed to be a military man,
but he's just like fucked off from the whole military
to just be working with Sam even though he's like
doing a military mission at like the start of the like,
and it's not. It doesn't even seem like he's like
a captain that he can just like I'm just gonna
be fucked off, you know, go go work for U
with Sam here, it seems like he's like a lesser role,
Like he has his captain like talking to him, and
then he's like shit talking about to his boss because
he's just and then he just goes and like collects
the suit to just fly around, which I feel like
if he's in the military, there'd probably be a hierarchy
that just would prevent him from being able to just
go do stuff like that. So I was trying to
look past that. I love the green Goblin suit though
you know, it looked exactly like the Green Goblin aesthetic.
I love it, even even with the oh yeah, the green,
even the yellow. Pull that mask from behind you there
was the green and yellow. It was it was yeah,
excited telling me that put that on.
Speaker 2: You saw a movie with that mask today.
Speaker 5: I think the exact same one. Actually, I think that's
what you had in the hell Fu. I think looks heavy.
Oh shit's going on? Oh that's Joaquin. That's Joaquin right there.
That's fine, not so different from.
Speaker 1: Real life Captain America. How do I sound? I sound bad?
Speaker 5: You sound like you have the wrong voice that mask.
Speaker 1: I am not going to Falcon.
Speaker 5: Did Falcon ever have? Sorry, did Sam Wilson ever have
that suit like in the movies? Because it seemed like
it was his old one, right.
Speaker 1: It's his old one refurbished because I got damaged in
the TV show.
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought it was new, but there you go.
Speaker 1: I liked TV show, Okay, go on.
Speaker 3: I like the Little Falcon Falcon quite a bit, and
I really appreciate that end conversation they had where he's
in the hospital bed and Sam sits down and they
talk and we've had this whole of course, the dilemma,
and they circle back to it to this movie after
we had the TV show of just Sam feeling like, hey,
how many alien invasions did Steve fight off? And I
went too, and just all these things, these amazing things
that Steve did, and like, how can just Sam keep
up with that? It's just a regular human And that
is just great character building because you get to this
moment here where Little Falcon is saying like, hey, like you.
Speaker 1: Just you.
Speaker 4: Laughing back there. It was very hard. There's a stand
specifically it's on. It's very hard to get the mask
back on there.
Speaker 5: So that's all good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just a little Falcons just talking about how
Sam is. He's never screwed up. He just does everything right.
He's always on point, and that's what Sam sees Steve.
Steve is always on point. He doesn't have any of
those failures, and.
Speaker 4: So Sam sees Hi stuff a way too.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 4: Remember, like I said earlier, he does not say he
had failures.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, that's what you gotta do.
Speaker 4: Sam admits to no failures ever.
Speaker 5: So you don't know why I'm perfect because I have
to be, because I have to look up for idiots
like you.
Speaker 1: You're fired. I'm giving Ruth wings.
Speaker 3: It was it was just a cool scene and just
for me, I found it very humbling and I like
seeing that and just a little bit more, a little
bit more development on Little Falcon. We didn't have that much.
It was just him kind of being like Quippie and
dropping jokes and very excited about road trips and all that,
and this really made me like the character a lot.
Speaker 1: More.
Speaker 3: I didn't have any excitement much for the character going in,
just that Okay, he's just a replacement Falcon, the new sidekick,
and so I really liked him and I'm happy to
see him on the the Avengers roster.
Speaker 5: If that first name on the list, man he's he's
the first member of the Avengers.
Speaker 1: Now if they need Avenger to die, then he will
make it on the team. But there's no there's no
ways on the Avengers squad.
Speaker 3: Really, I don't think like Tech me or five members
right now technically no topic for another day.
Speaker 5: That's Falcon, Yeah, because.
Speaker 1: I have the want and what they need, that's the thing,
and there there, and then there's a list of what
they'll do.
Speaker 4: But Falcon technically was on.
Speaker 1: The Avengers that he became a member after Age of Ultron,
so it's there is history of it. I just don't
think unless they like they literally say the Avengers team
is like twenty people, then sure. But if we go
with like it's a six Danny.
Speaker 3: Falcons one of them as they have Bradley's another one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then let's go to.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine that I was on stage introducing Avengers
it's just Ruth, Carl Lumbley Fucky, It's.
Speaker 4: Just the cat people.
Speaker 5: And they're like, oh, just crickets in the crowd.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Chris is the Steve Rogers again, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Anything else specifically touched on character stuff moments.
Speaker 3: There was a moment when they were highlighting it was
during the Adamantium presentation in the White House before all
the agents went kind of crazy. Harrison Ford was doing
his little explanation, and then in retrospect later when Sam
was looking at the tapes, he was like, what the hell,
Like Isaiah had him like point blank, like right dead
in the sights and fired. He was replaying the scene
again and again and was he implying that Ross should
have been shot and actually hits. So are we doing
assumed like he was just bulletproof because he's a hulk.
Speaker 1: No, No, he's saying that Isaiah missed on purpose. Oh okay,
because the leader didn't want I'm dead. He wanted to
take down his legacy. So if he just kills him,
he becomes a martyr, right of, Like, oh, Ross, you
know present, So that's why because he's Sam's like, he
shouldn't have missed it all he had him dead to rights?
How's he not shot? I thought the same thing at
you first, like, oh, that's gonna put together. He's had
some powers going on. But then no, it was okay,
that's why because then he's see I don't even know
if he says he misses, but he implies he missed.
So that's why.
Speaker 2: One weird thing. The opening of the movie had like
a different intro and it's like a like a noir
like old school retro thing. I didn't get it. It
was very very odd choice.
Speaker 4: Well they're done. Yeah, they're going for like a political
thriller thing.
Speaker 1: But I I found it very odd that this is
the first MCU project ever that does not have the
fan fare and fifty projects. And I don't like it.
Speaker 4: It's not big thing.
Speaker 1: It has nothing against the score or anything, but it's like,
I like that beginning. You could still have that and
then do your thing there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it doesn't really fit the aesthetic of the
movie at all though, So it was a weird like
theming for it in my opinion.
Speaker 1: And I also thought the transition into Ross's speech that
felt very not real like his president accepted in speech.
It just felt very like AI generated people out there
and fake responses.
Speaker 4: Did not feel like passionate like.
Speaker 1: When Tony Stark made some of his speeches and everything.
Speaker 5: But also very real. You know, it seems like a
very like just bullshit political like you know, we're gonna
do it thing like. It just seems like the standard
vanilla political except what they're going for.
Speaker 4: I get what they're going No, not that, I mean,
like just literally the vibe of it did not feel like.
Speaker 5: Like the crowd and everything, everything in the environment.
Speaker 1: It just felt like Harris and Ford is standing on
the X right now in a CGI room with CGI
people and everything, like Gandalf acting at the dinner table
in the Hobbit, like that's what it felt like. There
was no actual reaction or energy in the speech going on.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm ready to put a number
on this, bad boy.
Speaker 1: Kirklin do anything else?
Speaker 5: Hmm, very forgettable score. I don't remember a single track
from the entire.
Speaker 1: A few moments I liked when they're hitting on some
kind of like a kind of no worry sound effects
and everything.
Speaker 2: But I agree with you, Kirklam.
Speaker 1: If you have.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're prone to epilepsy or flashing lights
are not your grooved. I would avoid this movie because
there's a lot of flashing lights.
Speaker 4: We did have a warning in our theater, so I'm
sure there.
Speaker 5: Was the warning.
Speaker 3: I totally miss that.
Speaker 4: When you walk, yeah, when you walk in the theater.
On the post, they had the sign like if you
suffer from it.
Speaker 3: Oh, I did not see that. I just know when
we got into the Leader's Layer and he was the
guards walked in, those lights were flashed. I was like,
holy fuck, like I was gonna start being mine programmed
or something.
Speaker 5: Just stand up, start fucking shooting some Glad you didn't
do that. Uh, just talking about the theater. I didn't
think about this till now.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't know if this has ever happened to me before,
and it didn't happen to me, but in the theater
far left corner, I'm glad I wasn't sitting in the area.
I just heard one lady say shut the fuck up,
and I'm like, man, shuts up to her. You know,
someone was talking too much. I didn't hear any of
the dialogue, but I just heard and then they stopped.
Speaker 4: The twist of the story is.
Speaker 1: She's just talking to the.
Speaker 5: Ghost. I never looked back, so I never actually saw
the interaction of who was there? You know, there was
there were some bodies in my theater.
Speaker 2: Though it's a Harrison Ford line. She was quoting the
Harrison Ford thing, shut the fuck.
Speaker 5: It was actually very similar to that, Like n ironically,
it was very similar to was that.
Speaker 2: When most of the movie had started, or was it
like earlier on?
Speaker 5: It was during the movie. It was like during like dialogue,
like maybe after the assassination. So it's like, yeah, someone's
fucking not shutting the hell up. So I'm kudos to
her for doing that.
Speaker 1: I did do that at the Ghostbusters Frozen Empire last
year to somebody because oh yeah, yeah they unfortunate for them,
they didn't understand. But a couple of seats above for
from us, there was somebody that had special abilities. So
they would talk during the movie went on, that's fine
me because they can't control themselves, but this person would
keep telling them to shut up and like like sighing.
So I stood right up and I walked by there
and I'm like, you know, what the fuck you're doing.
He's like no, I'm like, you're being very rude to
someone that has specialties. Oh my god, so something like yeah,
think about before you do, and I pimped off.
Speaker 4: H isn't that right?
Speaker 3: Hot brother?
Speaker 5: You double tapped them.
Speaker 2: He was scared when I sat down with the sidewinder
special show up the theater was.
Speaker 1: The parents with their kid, me on our kids, him
and a few others. So this seer had maybe ten people.
So when I walked in, I've seen sat right beside him.
The fear of golf was He's.
Speaker 2: Like, what the fuck is your golflin mask on? And
speaking of.
Speaker 1: The Dee and doctor nas, I had a couple Doctor
there was a couple that was talking for the first
fifteen minutes. I get to and then yeah, I haven't
gonna shut the fuck you need it, luckily I haven't
had in a while. But all right, before we get
out of here, the point tell right now because we're
gonna do this with the MCU projecty at the end
and the kind of keep it out track the whole time.
Speaker 4: Taylor, You're a deal right now, No scar, no reck,
strange for you.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Kirk or Dylan is in last place with
fifteen points, but we'll be higher up. But he got
fifteen points for Bucky an unannounced appearance. If you don't know.
Speaker 4: We do the movie on the MC draft.
Speaker 1: We all have ten characters and we get points based
on certain critiques like leading a film, special appearances points.
We're sorting special appearances secrets stuff like that. So yeah,
because Dylan did not have Bucky or Bucky was appeared
in any promos, fifteen points Kirkland. Right now, you're in
the lead because you had a Spiderman leading project and
you had Falcons, so he did not die. So you're
at thirty or so you're not in the leads or
I'm wrong, you're in second place plus post credit for
no I have cap oh he is little Falcon I have.
So I got the twenty five from leading and then
ten for the end credit thirty five. But yeah, Dylan's
bucket coming up. So that was a good pick there,
don our first surprise appearance of the year, so very good.
Speaker 4: So yeah, Dylan, we want to.
Speaker 2: Throw on this for a for a number range five
point two two.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's all. It's poster Taylor Field.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think I'm going to give it a
I was thinking of seven before, but I'm gonna go
seven point five out of ten. I would definitely rewatch this. Uh,
I'm not going to be racing and running to it.
Speaker 5: What I say, you need to see it in the theaters.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think it's for everyone. I really don't.
I think that this is gonna be a split down
the center kind of a thing where I think some
people like it, some people really don't like it. And
after seeing a lot of the reviews and just the
lower ratings, I think that helped as well me going
in because I had lower expectations and so when I
actually watched it, there were parts that I really enjoyed.
Now there, of course, is definitely some messy components too.
It's not devoid of its problems, and I think you
can definitely tell how some things were poorly chopped up.
But at its core, I think it's It's a decent
enough movie. It's not the greatest movie to be kickstarting
our Avengers like.
Speaker 1: Path like technically we're at the end of I didn't
know this because it's how they screwed this up before too.
Do you do?
Speaker 4: You know what the ending movie of Phase five is?
Speaker 3: Fantastic four?
Speaker 1: No anyone else wanted got a guess wasn't a Deadpool? Nope,
Kirkland Last Chance?
Speaker 5: Oh no, is it this?
Speaker 4: No, it's Thunderbolts.
Speaker 1: Thunderbolts is technically the lasting of Face, and Fantastic four
kicks off Phase six.
Speaker 4: But that's what that's the problem.
Speaker 1: We used to know that shit, we used to know
it used to.
Speaker 2: Be Deadpool at one point. I remember that specifically.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but now it's Fantastic for supposed to be in
Phase four, wasn't it that was the Big four?
Speaker 1: Well that never happened because where now it's in Phase six?
Too late? I know.
Speaker 5: It's just like, holy fuck, I got pushed down the line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go next because I was leaving Taylor. I
thought Taylor would not have that highest score. I'm gonna
go a six point seven to five. As I've said before,
I've changed my sevens. This maybe used to be a seven,
but now I've reserved sevens for films that are very
well made. But I maybe particularly didn't like at seven
point five means I'll rewatch a lot.
Speaker 4: I won't rewatch this a lot, so I'm still gonna
pass it. That's where it's a six point seven to five.
I like it enough. There's some good stuff in here.
Speaker 1: I will rewatch this, but kind of like Tay said,
I'm not rushing, like I don't think it's gonna be
next year, Like I don't know when.
Speaker 4: It will be. I'll have a moment where, you know,
cap Marathon showing the kids.
Speaker 1: I know i'll watch again when Ambley want see because
she didn't see it when it's on Disney Plus, but
me actively choosing to watch it probably gonna be a
few years. But uh, I had a good enough time again.
I think there's of course, do I want every movie
to be great, phenomenal walk up like man, that's my
favorite movie year, of course, right, But I'm also fine
with some movie just being it's just okay, it's all right.
And it's also movie that if people because there's so
many people that I've seen that like I hate it.
I don't think i've seen it loved it, but I
feel like it's a hater Oh I had a good
time and people are being over zelus with it. I
can see someone passing it, I can see someone failing,
and I completely understand. So six point seventy five so
it's like.
Speaker 4: A CEE plus. I feel like that's what this is
C plus type of movie.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and my rankings, I don't know where it
is technically yet because I was looking at that before.
I think it's probably because there's fifty projects, it's somewhere
in the thirty to forty range, so it is on
the lower end. Yeah, I think so the lower end.
So yeah, co patser juicy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one for me, like I started, like I
stayed in the beginning. I think it was average for
the most part, with some little bit.
Speaker 5: Of sprinkly sparkles on there. Like there's some things that
uplifted a little bit, And for that reason, I'm gonna
give it a seven point two, not quite seven point five,
a little bit of an abnormal rating, but this was
a little bit of an abnormal adventure. And yeah, no,
I'm I guess I'm happy, you know, like it's it
didn't disappoint me, even though my expectations were low. So
that's that's good.
Speaker 4: I got.
Speaker 5: I got a good time out of it, And I
wouldn't really recommend it to people to go see in theaters,
but like, honestly, I am glad I saw this in theaters.
I think I think the action scenes were all like
really really well done. I like the fight choreography and yeah,
like the the Red Hulk cap fight. That was the
biggest build up, you know, it's on the poster, Red
Hulk punching the shield like that was the big fight
night type event in this movie, and I think they
totally delivered on that behalf. So yeah, seven point two
for me.
Speaker 2: Nice, there you go.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we have now talked about and reviewed Captain
America Brave New World. What's our next venture in the MCU.
Speaker 4: Is it Thunderbolts, do you guys?
Speaker 1: Oh? No, I guess it is Daredevil in less than
three just three weeks round, and I feel like that's
gonna be I'm very much there's the reverse of us
all going into cap being like, eh, very low expectations
and we're a little surprised. That better not be the
opposite where we're very high expectations and we're very let down.
So I think it's very excited. To make sure if
you are listening, check out. They will be releasing it
soon hopefully. But the Daredevil season one and season two
retrospective from Kirkland and Taylor, who have watched it for
the first time ever this year out and season three
will be, and we'll be reviewing that predictions episode.
Speaker 4: Whole bunch of stuff.
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We thank you, and I hope when you hear us
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