1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the geek First Podcast. 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,519 This is the six hundred and fifty two episode of 3 00:00:07,679 --> 00:00:12,800 said podcast. I am the first Avenger dressed. Now I'm joined. 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 2: By I'm the gamble Boy Kirkland Patzer, I'm the Sidewinder Dilmas. 5 00:00:18,559 --> 00:00:20,879 Speaker 3: I am Bruce Banner's ex girlfriend Taylor Field. 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,519 Speaker 4: Damn it, you fucking won. You won so hard. I 7 00:00:24,559 --> 00:00:26,879 don't know why. I just could not think of nothing. 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,239 Speaker 1: I've started like trying to think, and then we start 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,719 chatting before the show started, So I just couldn't think 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,960 of anything for said nickname. So but kudos to you 11 00:00:36,039 --> 00:00:38,280 because that's ten out of ten. That's Say's best nickname. 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,759 I'm gonna stamp right there in all are almost ten 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,479 years and we're gonna get into it y very soon. 14 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,640 But yeah, we're here to talk about the first edition 15 00:00:47,799 --> 00:00:51,359 of the MCU. Technically because of course you have Spiderman, 16 00:00:51,439 --> 00:00:53,880 Friendly Neighborhood Man, you know whatever they call that show. 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 4: But that is, you know, in a multiverse. This is 18 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:57,799 we're back in the MCU. 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,679 Speaker 1: Haven't really been back there, I guess, but on the 20 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:03,079 big screen since dead Pool and Wolverine, that was a 21 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:06,480 big Win obviously been a couple of shady rocky days, 22 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,599 mixed run the mails reports or score. Some reports out 23 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,640 there have a tough shoot, but that doesn't mean we 24 00:01:12,719 --> 00:01:14,560 disliked it or liked it. Who knows. So that's what 25 00:01:14,599 --> 00:01:17,040 we're gonna do. We're gonna talk about non spoils first. 26 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,120 So if you are, because I do know there's quite 27 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:21,319 a few people that are probably waiting till Disney Plus 28 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,840 or maybe they're gonna see on Cheap Tuesday. As always, 29 00:01:24,879 --> 00:01:26,560 we will give you a break and say, hey, we're 30 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,120 gonna go into spoils. So if you don't want to 31 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,519 be spoiled, you can back out, and yeah, if you 32 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:31,879 like what we do, subscribe. 33 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,159 Speaker 4: We talk a lot of marble. 34 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,359 Speaker 1: We've reviewed every single MSU thing that has happened and 35 00:01:36,439 --> 00:01:39,040 every MSU thing that will happen till we die, imagine, 36 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,120 or till the msuit dies itself. It might die before 37 00:01:43,159 --> 00:01:46,200 we die. We don't know what's the trajectory. I don't know, 38 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:51,200 but we're gonna start this off. Hm, which way to go? 39 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:57,640 Because I know a vibe of somebody I'm gonna yeah, no, no, okay, 40 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,000 then I actually know I think I know Dylan's vibe 41 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,599 more than your vibe because we didn't talk that much. 42 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,040 Me and Tay saw it. He tracked me down and 43 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:05,680 just forced to sat beside me, said, we go with 44 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:08,479 Kirkling because these wild cards. I don't know how Gamma 45 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:12,240 Boy himself, Yeah, so yeah, Gamma Boy, did this fill 46 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:12,919 your juices? 47 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,719 Speaker 5: I had some juice in my beverage here. It was 48 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,319 very watered down. I think going into this movie, I 49 00:02:20,319 --> 00:02:23,560 had extremely low expectations. I was hoping for, if anything, 50 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:26,639 to just get something at the end credit or something 51 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,840 in the movie, to like a movie into the Avengers, 52 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,199 you know, like mode, like hey, getting ready, We're getting 53 00:02:33,199 --> 00:02:35,520 closer to those big titles. So that was kind of 54 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,879 where my expectations were at. But for the movie itself, 55 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:39,800 it was just extremely low. I had very low height 56 00:02:39,879 --> 00:02:42,280 for this. I don't think this is gonna make a 57 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,080 lot of money. That was just kind of like my 58 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,240 feelings that I've been getting for a while now. I 59 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,919 haven't like followed any review, so I really don't even know, 60 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,919 like you just saying, there's like mixed run. 61 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:54,439 Speaker 1: It so it's like down the middle. It's honestly, that's 62 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,759 rotting Rundomatoes. But it's like the critics are fifty percent 63 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,639 pretty much Smith, So it's just a third MCU movie 64 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,680 to be rotten, along with Qualmitia and eternals. 65 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:08,479 Speaker 5: How long until it's like certified rotten like cause it's 66 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,840 it's just so like you need more reviews right to 67 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:12,319 get that. Or is it just once it hits like 68 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,240 a certain threshold it certified. 69 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: To me, it's a certain threshold of like because I 70 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:19,479 think it started at like a like a fifty three 71 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,479 and it dropped to like forty two and then went 72 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:21,960 back up. 73 00:03:22,159 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 4: So like, but I think once. 74 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 5: The news it's probably gonna be somewhere there. 75 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: I don't think it can FU. It can maybe sniff sixty, 76 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:30,879 but I don't think it's gonna So I think it's 77 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:31,599 kind of where it's. 78 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 5: At, Okay, Well, I mean judging to that, you know, 79 00:03:34,479 --> 00:03:37,319 it's all relative. I'm definitely higher than that, I think. 80 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,840 I If anything, I think this movie for me was 81 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,039 very average, with some special moments in there and some 82 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,400 really not special moments. I think there was some moments 83 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,560 where I was just really like, I rellly like I 84 00:03:51,639 --> 00:03:55,120 just couldn't really I couldn't really process what was happening 85 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,759 on screen. Because it was just like, really goofy. I 86 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,960 think there's some really horribly done edits on this movie. 87 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:02,479 Like I felt like the scene's going on and it 88 00:04:02,599 --> 00:04:04,639 just cut somewhere else, and it felt like I was, 89 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:07,199 I don't know, there's code words going off, and I'm 90 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,319 like a certain character that's just blacking out and thinking 91 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:10,919 they're doing someone else. Like it just seems like we 92 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,360 just PowerPoint presentation and they don't have any transitions to 93 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,439 their slides. Like it's just such a sloppy way to 94 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:19,920 like progress the story in certain moments. I think it 95 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,720 took me out of just like the film when those 96 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,160 moments would happen. But I still think there's some some 97 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:28,120 good juice in here and enough enough things that would 98 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,319 make me want to rewatch it. However, not the rewatch 99 00:04:31,319 --> 00:04:34,079 of like, Man, I'm gonna sit down and just completely 100 00:04:34,319 --> 00:04:37,800 juice and digest this. I'm gonna clean the house while 101 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,240 I put this on the background, you know, or. 102 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: Just part of the set right when you're like I 103 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,759 wanna watch all the cat movies and you just watch. 104 00:04:42,519 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 5: It exactly, no, exactly. I went and saw this with 105 00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:47,040 the buddy of mine from work, and on the way 106 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,319 back I'm just like thinking and comparing to like the 107 00:04:50,519 --> 00:04:53,399 other origin movies of the of the Marvel you know, 108 00:04:53,519 --> 00:04:55,920 not counting Iron Man one because that's just a glorious film, 109 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,399 but like thor one, even cap One. I don't think 110 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:04,240 this is like way worse than those movies by any means. Honestly, 111 00:05:04,319 --> 00:05:06,120 maybe we can get into that when we get one. 112 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a good movie. 113 00:05:07,319 --> 00:05:09,959 Speaker 5: That's a good movie, but it's like it's not it's 114 00:05:09,959 --> 00:05:12,920 not my top ten anywhere near MC like my MCU ratings. 115 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:13,560 I don't think. 116 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,079 Speaker 1: Because is this an origin movie like Sam's. We got 117 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,600 Sam's origin and Falcon Winter Soldier, right, like we've known. 118 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 5: This guy, see that, right, Like I feel like sixty 119 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,319 of my theater didn't know. Sorry, fuck Isaiah Brah miss 120 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:26,079 it before this movie. 121 00:05:26,399 --> 00:05:27,519 Speaker 4: You're right, you're right, I misspoke. 122 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: We got his origin Winter Soldier, you know, Army that 123 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,639 like flight guy and everything like that, Like we've known 124 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,560 who Sam is since twenty fourteen. 125 00:05:34,759 --> 00:05:36,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, Sam, Yeah, Yeah. I just feel like this is 126 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,720 the first origin of like Captain America, like the new 127 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:42,920 era of Captain America, I guess going forward, So the 128 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,120 New World in the New World. Yeah, so I'm kind 129 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,720 of scattered with my thoughts right now because that's just 130 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,000 how I feel like. I don't know exactly where I line. 131 00:05:52,399 --> 00:05:54,720 But yeah, I don't know, it's not it's not completely horrendous. 132 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,240 I'm definitely above It sounds like the the median of 133 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,800 the Rotten Tomatoes scores. So that's that's good. 134 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,759 Speaker 4: I want to get what the because remember that's the 135 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,079 score of who just passes? 136 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,959 Speaker 1: Or oh god, you're gonna hit me with the fucking 137 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,519 trailer for a Brave New World right now? 138 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,759 Speaker 4: Okay, continue, I was. 139 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: Gonna forget what the average score was between you know, 140 00:06:12,879 --> 00:06:16,560 audience score eighty percent though, so people are the audio, 141 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:18,360 the people are digging it nice. 142 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,399 Speaker 5: I think I really liked Anthony Mackie here, like I 143 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:23,120 think he was like really solid across the board, Like 144 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,959 you didn't seem any lower than I, Uh whatld you 145 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:26,800 just see on screen there? 146 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,199 Speaker 1: So it's so the average score of snapchat or something 147 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:34,759 some Dylan snapchats. Emily sent me something like I'm reviewing 148 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,720 right now, baby, I can't come in there. No, So 149 00:06:36,759 --> 00:06:38,439 like fifty two percent is like the pass or failed. 150 00:06:38,439 --> 00:06:40,680 But when you take an average like the Metacritic thing 151 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,079 it's a five point five out of ten. That's what 152 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:43,399 it is. 153 00:06:43,439 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, well, yeah, No, I think Anthony Mackie is 154 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:47,319 really solid. 155 00:06:48,399 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: He's solid. 156 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 5: It's pretty surprised by Harrison for it. Like I think 157 00:06:51,959 --> 00:06:54,000 he was better than maybe I would have expected that 158 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:55,839 at parts. At parts he's better. 159 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,199 Speaker 1: Yes, you may semi interrupts you, but like as a 160 00:06:58,199 --> 00:06:59,519 part of mine, I feel like. 161 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 5: We can take on too. I feel like I've kind 162 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,839 of said my general sure, I'll take it on. Yeah. 163 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:04,759 Speaker 1: I feel like we do this every time. I think 164 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,240 it's just because his persona outside. I feel like we 165 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,399 did this with Star Wars, we did this with this. 166 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,560 I hear this with Shrinking. I feel like every time 167 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,279 we see Harrison Ford, we just assume he's gonna phone 168 00:07:14,279 --> 00:07:16,240 it in, and he like never does. Like in our 169 00:07:16,279 --> 00:07:18,279 time at Gee First, I've never sat and been like, oh, 170 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:20,399 he phoned in. Like even in Rise of Skywalker when 171 00:07:20,439 --> 00:07:22,800 he came back for like a two minute scene he 172 00:07:22,879 --> 00:07:25,399 was acting, He's crying. It's like, I'm gonna just stop 173 00:07:25,439 --> 00:07:28,120 assuming just because he's like a little curmudgeony in the 174 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:28,879 press that. 175 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,199 Speaker 2: But like that's when we get he gets cast to 176 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,240 play old curmudgeonly people. So it's like even if it 177 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,959 is like it's perfect, like they did the casting right, 178 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:37,279 and I know. 179 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: It's yeah, but like even in this movie and this 180 00:07:39,079 --> 00:07:41,519 stuff in Star Wars, like the emotional stuff, to me, 181 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,720 that's the hardest stuff to pulf A was an actor 182 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:45,839 and feel believable. So that's the stuff where I can 183 00:07:45,879 --> 00:07:48,079 see something go like I'm just gonna like, you know, 184 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:49,879 stick my finger down my throat. 185 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 4: Oh, I got tears of mine. 186 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,959 Speaker 1: Let's move on, you know, like this is like I 187 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,040 feel it here right, And yeah, I think he came 188 00:07:55,079 --> 00:07:55,439 to play. 189 00:07:55,519 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 4: He was great. 190 00:07:56,439 --> 00:07:58,959 Speaker 1: It's hard to compare him to like whatever William Hurt, 191 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,560 but because we never got this amount of time with 192 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,279 William Hurt, maybe an incredible Hulk. And that comes to 193 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,759 part where I think I'm in line with Kirklan where 194 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,920 you said your thoughts are scattered. That's much like this movie. 195 00:08:08,959 --> 00:08:11,240 This movie is scattered. I think there's awful parts. I 196 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,839 think there's great parts. I think there's good parts. I 197 00:08:12,839 --> 00:08:15,360 think there's bad parts. My review of this and a 198 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,959 Elevator pitch is results may vary, and I don't know 199 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,519 Tar because I do know Taylor ten years of being 200 00:08:21,519 --> 00:08:23,959 a rival. But I don't know Tayor thinks, but I'm 201 00:08:23,959 --> 00:08:26,920 just assuming for him and I. We really like Incredible Hulk, 202 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,560 So all the Incredible Hulk stuff I really liked here 203 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,399 is it fucking weird to get it here twelve years 204 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,519 later in a Captain American movie doesn't make much sense, 205 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,360 not at all, not really at all. So it is 206 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:39,799 times where it's just like, even you know, to Taylor's 207 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,799 name in a most unspoiled way, they do the weird 208 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,360 like I'd have to think about the MSU, But I 209 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,799 don't think I've ever seen the MSU. Barring a previously on, 210 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,440 like you know, segment recap a movie that felt like 211 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,159 a previously on. There's two newscasters just running you down 212 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,159 everything about Sam Wilson, Thadeus Ross and liv Tyler, and 213 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:00,919 it's just like they're going, well, that is Ross, we 214 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,759 did this. They blah blah. His daughter is Betty Ross, 215 00:09:04,799 --> 00:09:07,759 who's the ex girlfriend of Bruce Banner. And you're just like, wow, 216 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:11,360 they're really laying it on. Like we know, we're phase 217 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,399 five and forty nine projects. You probably missed some stuff, 218 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:17,240 but even Falcon Winner Soldier, that's fine for a HAULK 219 00:09:17,279 --> 00:09:18,960 it's like that is a deep poll, and before the 220 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,799 Marvels came around, that was your lowest MC grossing movie 221 00:09:21,799 --> 00:09:25,679 of all time, So it is odd. But I enjoy 222 00:09:25,799 --> 00:09:29,879 some that stuff. I enjoyed Harrison Ford. Mackie's always great. 223 00:09:29,919 --> 00:09:31,919 I enjoy him. I think it's tough because I think 224 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,720 he gets to be a little less fun in this 225 00:09:34,879 --> 00:09:36,919 role because he's a very charismatic guy. But it's tough 226 00:09:36,919 --> 00:09:38,440 when you're like the lead, right and you're trying to 227 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,480 be Captain America now. But I kind of hope in 228 00:09:40,519 --> 00:09:43,240 Avengers they bring that back where he's a bit more comedic. 229 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:45,519 But they're dealing with some you know, there's a president assassination, 230 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,279 so I guess why. I bet that's why it's not 231 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,320 comedic all the time. Lots of supporting cast. Not a 232 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,039 fan of I like Danny Ramirez as an actor. I 233 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:55,879 think they didn't give him much to work with as 234 00:09:55,919 --> 00:09:59,799 Little Falcon or okay, the New Falcon. I think kudos 235 00:09:59,799 --> 00:10:02,159 to some of those line deliveries and trying to make 236 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,600 him like the fun, comedic character. They gave him some 237 00:10:04,639 --> 00:10:06,720 tough stuff. I don't think it was him. I think 238 00:10:06,759 --> 00:10:09,039 it's just like this is not funny. I'm not like 239 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,320 endearing this character and that characters. I rewatch Funcklinger Soldier. 240 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,559 He's like barely in there, you know, like we've not 241 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,600 even met him. There's another character which I'll save my 242 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,120 spoiler thoughts for, but it's the you know, our new 243 00:10:21,399 --> 00:10:25,480 I'll just say, the sidekick to Harrison fordh And Yeah, 244 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,919 the plot's kind of all over the place, weirdly paced. 245 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,200 I think there's some fun action moments. I don't think 246 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,080 any of the actions scenes stand out in the MCU overall, 247 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,600 but I think there's moments. I think there's some great 248 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,000 stuff that they carried over from Fuckinghers Soldier because I 249 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,919 think Isaiah Bradley's just like no notes ten out of ten, 250 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,240 Carl Lumby just a phenomenal actor, like I want him 251 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:48,279 to be in so much more. And I liked all 252 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:50,679 that stuff. I think they hit on some familiar beats 253 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,320 that they already covering Fucklinger Soldiers. So it's like, why 254 00:10:53,399 --> 00:10:55,360 didn't you just make that a movie in the long run? 255 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,320 So I'm excited to break break it down because there's 256 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,919 definitely moments where we're jumping all over some things. Multiple 257 00:11:02,919 --> 00:11:05,919 things don't make sense. John Carlo just showed up on 258 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,240 a lot one day and shot some stuff. Like you 259 00:11:08,279 --> 00:11:10,559 can feel that is a tough thing, right, because it's 260 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,639 a chicken and egg scenario. We're in a situation where 261 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,000 anytime there's a reshoot a problem with any movie, right, 262 00:11:17,039 --> 00:11:19,000 we hear about it. We hear X, Y and Z 263 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,159 this is happening with the movie. So it's like we know, 264 00:11:21,279 --> 00:11:23,919 going in, Okay, they've reshot a bunch of this movie, 265 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:26,360 and it's gonna look a little choppy. But this does 266 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:28,039 feel like one of those times that even if it 267 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:30,360 wasn't reshot, you'd be able to feel like at least 268 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:32,639 something's wrong. You'd go like, okay, the editing is bad 269 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:36,519 or the pacing's bad. That does just feel like something is. 270 00:11:36,799 --> 00:11:37,399 Speaker 4: A foot here. 271 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,919 Speaker 1: But I still enjoyed my time and I will definitely 272 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,600 rewatch this again because I like the characters, and for me, 273 00:11:42,639 --> 00:11:45,639 it is the definition of like an okay time at 274 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,279 the movies. It's results me very if you like these characters, 275 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:52,080 if you like just a you know, all right, good fine, 276 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,480 like Superhero, if you just like Superhero fair I think 277 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,039 this is much better than many things that we've gone 278 00:11:58,039 --> 00:12:01,279 The MCU Secret invasion a man eternals like for me, 279 00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:03,080 those are ones that never again. 280 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 4: But this, yeah, I put it on. 281 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,519 Speaker 1: I have joy a good time, but it run time 282 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:10,759 helps and hurts it because it's over quicker. But you 283 00:12:10,799 --> 00:12:13,240 also don't get to dive deep. And I think there's 284 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,480 some stuff with Sam and some stuff with Ross that 285 00:12:15,639 --> 00:12:18,960 I think needed deeper dives and it was unfortunately lacking there. 286 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,759 But overall, I recommend it if you, like I said, 287 00:12:21,879 --> 00:12:25,080 like Captain America, like Mackie, you like Marvel stuff. But 288 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,799 if you are going I have more tire of comic movies, 289 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,440 or you just want to see the great ones, this 290 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:29,240 is definitely not it. 291 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 4: And wait till Disney plus mister Muss. 292 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys have said a lot of the great 293 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,600 points that I kind of agree with, So I don't know, 294 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,320 taking a slightly different direction. I mean, I think to 295 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,120 what you guys both mentioned of, you know, it's hard 296 00:12:47,159 --> 00:12:48,440 for us to go into any of these kind of 297 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,000 movies just truly unbiased, right because we talk, especially the 298 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,679 Marvel stuff, because we talk about it so much. We 299 00:12:53,759 --> 00:12:57,039 break down these trailers, we do predictions, we talk about 300 00:12:57,039 --> 00:13:00,639 all the production issues. We'd see the reviews well, Kirkland didn't, 301 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,639 but everyone else sees the reviews like days before, so 302 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,840 we come in with like all this baggage, and even 303 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:07,240 I think another thing I was top of mind for 304 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,840 me was Travis when you mentioned like the runtime was 305 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:11,799 like two hours or something going in, which is like, Okay, 306 00:13:11,799 --> 00:13:14,399 this is pretty short for a Marvel movie. So I'm 307 00:13:14,399 --> 00:13:16,600 going in with like all this stuff coming in, and 308 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:18,480 so I think, similar to Kirkland, I was expecting to 309 00:13:19,759 --> 00:13:22,000 My expectations were very low, to put it lightly, and 310 00:13:22,039 --> 00:13:23,840 then I think, yeah, in the first half an hour 311 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,919 hour so I was enjoying it more than I expected. 312 00:13:27,159 --> 00:13:29,159 And then as it goes on, it gets so messy 313 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,679 and kind of unravels. It's kind of obviously this movie is. 314 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,960 If they gave them seven more months to work it out, 315 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,919 iterate on it, make it better, I'm sure they would 316 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:40,120 have taken that. It feels like, you know, half the 317 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:41,679 video games that come out these days that are like 318 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,039 eighty percent finished and then they like fix it over 319 00:13:44,039 --> 00:13:46,080 the next few months until it's like that final like 320 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:48,720 actually what the game should have released as. But movies 321 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:51,279 other than like Cats don't get DLC right, So like 322 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,360 we're just this is the movie we're stuck with and 323 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,919 then every once in a while though maybe add like 324 00:13:55,279 --> 00:13:56,840 what was the other movie recently that had. 325 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,919 Speaker 1: That but holes in the cat movie? Did you say 326 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,639 cats cats? 327 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's like the cats. Remember they removed on the buttholes. 328 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:06,639 Speaker 1: Off the movie. 329 00:14:06,759 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, we were talking to other buttholes earlier, so you 330 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:10,440 were making. 331 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 4: A no, I just don't about cats. I don't know 332 00:14:12,879 --> 00:14:14,039 if you talk that air after. 333 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 2: I sorry, I couldn't pick up that that was there. 334 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,799 I got other things on the mind. Tros you know this, 335 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:26,879 But this movie, I think the weirdest thing for me 336 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,159 is just the pacing of it. This movie just feels 337 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,840 like only an act too. I feel like there wasn't 338 00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:34,080 really an act one or three, and this the ending 339 00:14:34,159 --> 00:14:37,840 is like really underwhelming. Nothing really unpredictable happens. If you've 340 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:40,200 seen the trailers, I think you know, like almost exactly. 341 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:41,840 There's a couple of characters that are hidden, I guess, 342 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:44,600 but like otherwise you kind of know the broad strokes 343 00:14:44,639 --> 00:14:46,399 are at least once you're like twenty thirty minutes and 344 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,240 like you know how this movie is gonna end. And 345 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,759 then I feel like the kickoff, the inciting event that 346 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:53,559 classic Act one stuff. It just felt like a filler 347 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:55,279 episode from like a TV show. Somebody's like, oh, yeah, 348 00:14:55,279 --> 00:14:58,279 we got to get these these canister and it's like, okay, 349 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,320 I guess that's what we're doing, a kick off this 350 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,519 big Grand Captain America Avengers adventure. Like it just felt 351 00:15:04,519 --> 00:15:07,120 really strange in that way. So by the time it ended, 352 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,240 I was just kind of underwhelmed. But I think to 353 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:12,440 speak on the good things, it's hard to say with 354 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,480 it too many spoilers, but are there's just certain dynamics 355 00:15:14,519 --> 00:15:17,080 that I really enjoyed. I did like Little Falcon. Surprisingly, 356 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,639 I just thought from the trailers, like, who is this guy? Watched? 357 00:15:19,679 --> 00:15:22,120 I care about him? I forgot he's in Falcon Winter 358 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,080 Soldier though I'm sure we talked about it three weeks ago, 359 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,159 but I already forgot about that. 360 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:26,679 Speaker 5: But I liked him. 361 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 2: I thought his dynamic with Cap was really great. And 362 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,679 then another guy that's kind of like a little trio 363 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,039 with them, and I really liked all their dynamics and 364 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,039 I kind of maybe wanted a little bit more of that, 365 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,480 And then I think, yeah, just the raw stuff. I 366 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,279 do think Harrison Ford did a good job because he 367 00:15:40,399 --> 00:15:42,600 even if he is phoning it in. He's just such 368 00:15:42,639 --> 00:15:44,919 a good actor that even like a phoned in performance 369 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,960 is still pretty good. And obviously, as I mentioned, like 370 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,279 he's kind of perfectly type cast for this kind of 371 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,279 role here. But then the stuff at the end, it's 372 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,279 like you can just like see the green screen. It's 373 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:56,440 like they really churned that one out of the last 374 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,639 couple weeks in terms of finishing that dialogue and put 375 00:15:59,639 --> 00:16:01,639 it on green So it really just did not stick 376 00:16:01,679 --> 00:16:04,480 the landing at all. I guess I'll put it that way. So, 377 00:16:05,159 --> 00:16:09,000 uh yeah, I can't recommend going out to this one. 378 00:16:09,039 --> 00:16:12,159 I think as far as like Marvel Movies, fun popcorn 379 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,879 flick kind of thing, similar to Travis, I'd wait for 380 00:16:14,919 --> 00:16:16,320 Disney Plus on this. I don't think you need to 381 00:16:16,399 --> 00:16:18,320 race out out to the theater on this. 382 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: Mister Field, so you get to close off the non spoilers. 383 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 3: Here, close off non spoilers. So this movie to me 384 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:32,519 felt like I was watching a superhero horized version of 385 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:36,279 Jack Ryan on Amazon Crime. 386 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:38,559 Speaker 5: And I really like that. 387 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,879 Speaker 1: Show did you make Why did you make that comparison? 388 00:16:41,919 --> 00:16:44,279 Just a show or because there's a certain line and 389 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,720 see if you can get it. Certain actor involved in 390 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:47,519 that franchise. 391 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: Well, I know the actor you're referring to is that 392 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:53,879 I don't remember his name, but I know he's in Thunderbacks. 393 00:16:54,759 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 4: You don't remember Harrison Ford's name. 394 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 3: Oh, Harrison Ford. I was talking about that Jack Ryan. 395 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: I sorry, just trying to see if you knew he 396 00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:02,159 has played Jack Ryan wants to continue to go back to. 397 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,559 Speaker 2: Your review, throwing us some hard balls here in our 398 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:05,440 overall thoughts. 399 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,759 Speaker 4: You know the other actor. I thought these are easy. 400 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:09,640 I thought these are just home runs. 401 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,079 Speaker 3: But no, the other actor who was in Thunderbolts and 402 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,960 also on Superman that you pointed out, he's also in 403 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:15,599 Jack Ryan. 404 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:16,799 Speaker 4: Is he in this movie? 405 00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: No? 406 00:17:18,759 --> 00:17:19,279 Speaker 5: Bring him up? 407 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 3: Because you met you were you were bringing up like, oh, 408 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,039 what's the connection with this Jack Ryan? 409 00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:24,279 Speaker 1: Continue? 410 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 3: Anyways, I had a lot of fun with this movie. 411 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,559 It was definitely messy, But I think my biasedness purely 412 00:17:34,599 --> 00:17:36,480 comes from the fact that I really like the incredible 413 00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:39,039 Hulk film and this truly does feel like it is 414 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,960 that sequel. Again, you guys already highlighted it's very weird 415 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,920 that we are getting this sequel focused in a Captain 416 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,400 America for film. I, at the end of the day 417 00:17:50,519 --> 00:17:53,759 think that seventeen years later is very. 418 00:17:53,759 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: Which is that makes me feel fucking old old as 419 00:17:57,799 --> 00:18:01,640 asses tell me incredible, Hulk, is that seventeen years ago, 420 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,319 all those atty old. 421 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,519 Speaker 3: I I don't know if like Anthony Mackie, like, yeah, 422 00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:10,400 I really like his Captain America. I think he actually 423 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,359 did a really good job. You guys highlight some very 424 00:18:13,599 --> 00:18:18,000 good points too, especially Travis, where it's like how he's 425 00:18:18,079 --> 00:18:20,000 leading the charge. He's the main character, so he does 426 00:18:20,079 --> 00:18:22,400 kind of act certain things that we we like, certain 427 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,359 parts of his personality that we've liked in the past, 428 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,720 because he is that main character and he's carrying a 429 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:30,279 lot more on his shoulders. But I think that we 430 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,920 didn't necessarily need a movie, a Captain America movie for him. 431 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,119 I think he could have just he could have just 432 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,400 popped up in another eye to. 433 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,319 Speaker 4: Lead the Avengers and not get his own movie. 434 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 3: But again that's just another that's a very minor kind 435 00:18:44,039 --> 00:18:46,240 of like thing at this point. Like I feel like, 436 00:18:46,279 --> 00:18:50,000 if he's gonna if he's gonna lead the Avengers, like okay, 437 00:18:50,079 --> 00:18:52,680 just reintroduce him and give him like a like a 438 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,880 like make him pop up like Ant Man or Spider 439 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,440 Man in Captain America Civil War, and then it's like, oh, 440 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,839 this is cool, Like let's see more to these characters. 441 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:04,400 What's going on? 442 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: But they still got their movie before or after? 443 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:09,519 Speaker 2: Yeah? 444 00:19:10,079 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 4: Before? 445 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:10,519 Speaker 1: What? 446 00:19:11,519 --> 00:19:13,319 Speaker 3: Before Civil War? I camera fat Man has a movie 447 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:14,160 before after. 448 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,039 Speaker 4: It was before Civil War? 449 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Then let's say the spider Man, bro spider 450 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:18,680 Man gets his movie after Civil War. 451 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,559 Speaker 4: I think that's like ten years. Then sprinkling salmon like 452 00:19:24,839 --> 00:19:28,039 Winter Soldiers, Civil War and Finney War Endgame, Like they've 453 00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:30,480 sprinkled them along, Like how much more could they sprinkle? 454 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:32,519 Like you're gonna have a lot of too. 455 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: Much cheese on the plate. 456 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 4: Then you know he's ready to be the main course 457 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,880 the pasta well, but. 458 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,319 Speaker 3: It doesn't necessarily feel like this was the right way 459 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,759 to do that with the main course. I mean, they 460 00:19:43,799 --> 00:19:47,160 served the green eggs and the ham, right, and there's 461 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:47,680 more like red. 462 00:19:47,799 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 4: You think this is green eggs and ham. 463 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,319 Speaker 2: This is right, with all the whole stuff, with all 464 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:51,880 the whole stuff. 465 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, you got it, you got it, a little bit 466 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,000 of Gamma Gamma green Eggs. But I think that it 467 00:19:58,079 --> 00:20:01,559 was just it was no the right place to introduce 468 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,599 him and give him his full feature with this Haulk 469 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:08,880 story because he's just everything going on with Ross and whatnot. Like, 470 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:14,759 I don't feel like Mackie's Captain America. He was never 471 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,279 really a a component of that that dynamic. 472 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: He's just with Ross because they have feuded in the 473 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,960 other movies, right like Ross, I. 474 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 3: Don't remember any of Like I remember him being caught 475 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,799 in between a rock and hard place because Steve Rogers 476 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,119 and mackiw was just like I'm here because Stee's my 477 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,440 friend and Ross is. 478 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: But like because in Civil War, you know, they picked 479 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,279 the wrong side, and then in Finny War they do 480 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:44,319 interact a little more when because they Ross makes Cat okay, 481 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,240 Steve Rogers, Sam Wilson and Natasha wanted people. So they 482 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:51,759 do have some scenes together and history. They literally talk 483 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:53,640 in Civil War him and Ross, so they do have 484 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,839 a contentious past relationship. It seems it's not much, but 485 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,359 there are moments of it. But yeah, to even him 486 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,119 saying Betty sounded and kind of weird to me. It's like, 487 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,240 I don't you don't know, Betty, you know I would 488 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:11,519 have taken Yeah. 489 00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: I would have taken I don't know. Just switch out 490 00:21:12,039 --> 00:21:14,279 that character and just give us, give us something like 491 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,559 back to basics, something very simple with Mackew's Captain America, 492 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:20,640 because with this it just it was I'm trying not 493 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,160 to get into spoilers, soul, I'll maybe I'll just end 494 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,519 my thoughts here and then we can just get into it. 495 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: Okay, we'll get into it. So we're gonna take our 496 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,160 first ad break. 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I'm gonna 533 00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,240 go back to you because you said there were some 534 00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:01,240 things you couldn't really maybe uh oh yes, in a 535 00:23:01,279 --> 00:23:02,680 shout to her patron producers. 536 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 4: Uh Aaron Braiden, Abro Darkness, Jack Grandmud's Sam, Superman, Mike 537 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:07,720 Gosby sixth. 538 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: Night, Jeremy Renner didn't see him tonight and Charlie ran dell. 539 00:23:10,759 --> 00:23:13,680 Uh but yes, uh, Tim, you can teach him because 540 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,400 you thought your points may be too spoilery. So I 541 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,359 want to I want to hear the juice that was 542 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,880 trying to flow from your mouth. 543 00:23:20,039 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 3: The juice getting into this whole worldwide conflict was just Yes, 544 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,960 it was crazy, and that's where it started to feel. 545 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,119 It was crazy. That's where it felt. Jack Bryan to 546 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,559 me and I, I don't get me wrong, I liked it. 547 00:23:33,599 --> 00:23:37,839 I like seeing like you Japanese, Japan's navy and Americans 548 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:38,599 Navy and just speak. 549 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 4: Can you not see Japanese anymore? 550 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: And you. 551 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 4: See the japan You see japan Japanese people, they speak Japanese. 552 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,200 So worry he's gonnat cancer or something like that. 553 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 3: You never know, but just these two nations and you 554 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,799 see this big celest hill made of adamantium the background, 555 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:04,039 and it's like, holy shit, is this crazy fighter jets 556 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,480 or whizen By Like this is just like I was 557 00:24:06,519 --> 00:24:08,960 eating all that up and this it didn't didn't even 558 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,920 feel necessarily like marveled to me because I don't think 559 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,160 we've seen Jack. 560 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: Ryan full Jacks in the air throwing a shield that 561 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,440 missiles happens in Jack. 562 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,319 Speaker 5: Rock Ryan got. 563 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 2: It gets wild? 564 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 4: What is John doing in that show? My god? 565 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 3: When we got those scenes that, I definitely felt like marble, 566 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:34,400 but just to see like like mankind's like navy and military, 567 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,519 like we haven't seen something like that since like the 568 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:39,119 first Iron Man, I know, I want to say, right, 569 00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:42,519 like the tanks and stuff like you don't ever see human. 570 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 4: A little bit too. It's not current day but for 571 00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:47,279 Avengers first Soldiers, right and everything. 572 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:50,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, like you don't see like mankind necessarily like what 573 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,799 they're standing up like. And even then it's if you do, 574 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,720 it's it's more flamboyant and it's shield like the Hellic Carriers, 575 00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:01,559 right and and Winter's Soldiers. So it's very different. Yeah, 576 00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:05,480 So that's that was just a very different perspective. But again, 577 00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:07,559 at its core, I think when you have the leader, 578 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:10,359 when you have Red Hulk and you have all this stuff, 579 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,880 it just it feels very out of place where you're 580 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,720 introducing this story to Hey, here is our new Captain America, 581 00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:21,119 Anthony Mackie. He's being asked by Ross to create an 582 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,559 Avengers team and that just gets squashed. But all of 583 00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:24,839 a sudden at the end, he's like, no, I'm going 584 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,319 to be putting together a team. And I just feel 585 00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:29,559 like we could have had a movie focus more on 586 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,200 him becoming more Captain America and doing that. Instead you 587 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:37,599 get brief moments of him backtracking. Now I understand not 588 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,920 everyone has seen Falcon the Winter Soldiers, so they give 589 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,519 you a brief moment with Bucky and him where Anthony 590 00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:44,839 Mackie's like, oh, I can't mount to what Steve did. 591 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,480 He chose the wrong person? Yeah, yeah, which we got 592 00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:49,960 all that in the show, but I know not everyone's 593 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,400 seen the show, but yeah, good for us. That was 594 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,400 very out of place. But spread that a little bit 595 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,279 more and not just so back to ground zero and 596 00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:00,519 then make it more about him trying to be the Avengers. 597 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,200 But you got all the Hulk stuff that's kind of 598 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:03,640 trampling at. 599 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: I wanted to point out that because I want to 600 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,359 do this cast when Secret Wars is all done and 601 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,400 just kind of look at this multiverse song and what 602 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,440 we would have changed and whatnot. And for me, that's 603 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,839 one where I retroactively think Falkilmhear Soldiers just should have 604 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,960 been a movie now, like going back to it, just 605 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,160 feel like they should have shored some things done that, 606 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,039 especially because like John Walker, he's gonna be in Thunderbolts. 607 00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:24,319 That would have helped that out too. I think there's 608 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,799 certain projects off you cut, make movies, make shows, et cetera. Right, 609 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,680 But that's where I was finding the conversation at first, 610 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,119 when he's like, oh, I got my ass kicked and 611 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:31,839 my friend's hurt. 612 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:32,799 Speaker 4: I was fine with. 613 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: That when he's just questioning that he's Captain America. But 614 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,319 then when he started going on about Steve give it 615 00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:39,200 the wrong guy, I'm like, oh, we've been here before, 616 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,079 and I don't want this to be like Dylan and 617 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:44,599 I reviewed Punisher Netflix when like he'd become Punisher okay, 618 00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:45,920 and then he was done being punished, and then he's 619 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,319 back to being punished. It's just like, just be the punisher, 620 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,920 stop like dropping the mantle all the time. 621 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 4: And I do not want that. 622 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: Like if we get to Avengers and it's like they 623 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,759 see Doom and he like messes him up and he's like, oh, 624 00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:00,160 Steve gave the shield the wrong person or I I 625 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,720 wonder man if hydro CAP's gonna say that to him when. 626 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 4: He season Secret Wars, like oh he gave I bet 627 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,960 you he is one hundredercent guarantee you. 628 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,799 Speaker 1: Hydra Cat's gonna be like, he gave it to the 629 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,000 wrong person and then he'll kick him down or something 630 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:12,319 like that. 631 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,079 Speaker 2: So, sir who had a Bucky in the draft again, 632 00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:20,319 because that's gonna be some view points and hell, yeah you, 633 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,240 I will give us a ten parents starring hopefully he 634 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,839 doesn't die in Thunderbolts and I'm good to go. 635 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, I got some tally at the end there, but. 636 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 2: Nice, Yeah, I totally agree with you, Taylor, And I 637 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,160 was having that same realization when watching the movie. I'm like, yeah, 638 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,640 we were going in circles here like Frodo. But then 639 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,920 I think you made a good point that like, oh, yeah, 640 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,920 a lot of people will not have watched this show 641 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,559 or they just you know, it's a show, it's long. 642 00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:45,440 Maybe they forgot about some of these elements of it. 643 00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:48,240 And that isn't just a point of this movie in general, 644 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,359 where it is a very short movie, which I think 645 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,200 I'm okay with that in theory, but when you spend 646 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,119 a lot of it, like doing scenes like that, we've 647 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,240 kind of seen this before, the stuff you were saying 648 00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:01,119 of like rerunning the Hulks to catch people up, which 649 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,240 honestly I did appreciate because I'm not a big incredible 650 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:06,119 Hulk fan and I need the refresher all these connections 651 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:06,599 a little bit. 652 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,839 Speaker 1: There's Spanier's ex girlfriend though, did you forget that fact? 653 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:13,599 Speaker 2: Uh see, it's not. But I also couldn't tell you 654 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,279 anything about her as a as a character, not that 655 00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:19,200 there was much in here other than just like meaningless 656 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,079 familiar connection between her and her dad, right, But yeah, 657 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:24,440 but yeah, it's weird when a movie is so short 658 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:25,960 and then we're also spending a lot of time just 659 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,960 kind of recapping things. It feels like, you know, similar 660 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,039 to a TV show where you'd have that you know, 661 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,759 three four minute recap at the start of it to 662 00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:34,200 catch you up on the things you miss. But that's 663 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,599 just sprinkled throughout this. And it's one of the shorter 664 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,200 MCU movies, so not a not a great combo, and. 665 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: It's funny, like another thing we're not gonna get into 666 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,839 this now, but I'm in a dovetail for the future. 667 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,720 I feel like when we started talking about like Disney 668 00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:48,400 Plus and those shows, and we talk about like a 669 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,720 big thing, we want those shows to matter for the movies, 670 00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:53,200 and that almost retrospect, I wonder if ye that was 671 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,119 maybe a mistake. It is better just to do your 672 00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:58,200 Moon Nights or you're like you could watch it without 673 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,680 having to note, like because people complain about the Multiver's 674 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,160 mannas right, like if you didn't watch that one as kids, 675 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:06,319 like what like that's and now it's before I thought 676 00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:08,720 that was a great thing, but now it's like maybe not, 677 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:09,799 maybe it wasn't, you know. 678 00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 5: But like that's also the early stages of us getting 679 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,400 those MCU shows, right, Like I feel like they were 680 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,720 trying that, like let's see if this works of we 681 00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:20,000 can have a big movie transition with a show and 682 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,240 then lead to the next project and everyone's gonna have 683 00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:24,799 Disney Plus, right, so everyone's gonna be watching these projects 684 00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:27,599 and they go the way that they plan. Yeah, exactly. 685 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,279 So I think this, like the fact that we're getting 686 00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:33,480 a lot of recap in a project like this makes 687 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,240 them feel that they are forced to do that. And 688 00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:39,200 also maybe rethink that, Okay, maybe we shouldn't be doing 689 00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:42,079 like shows for this aspect, Like you can still do shows, 690 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:45,319 but just don't have it as a main chain, especially 691 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:48,759 connecting something like cap like that's such a big important 692 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:51,960 thing of getting Sam being the one that gets the 693 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,079 shield and go through the whole progression that he went 694 00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:57,079 through in Falcon Winter Soldier like that is a very 695 00:29:57,079 --> 00:30:00,440 important story that I do recommend people watching, you know, 696 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,599 if they're interested in this character. It's just a shame 697 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,319 that not everyone did do that, so then they feel 698 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,640 forced to do it on here for the especially for 699 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,480 the people that have seen it like us, it's just 700 00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:13,559 kind of a waste of time, right because I mean 701 00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:15,279 it's where we're going in circles. 702 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 2: Outside of the just the TV show side of it. 703 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,079 I mean, it's just kind of the MCU like collapsing 704 00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:21,039 under its own way to this point to some extent 705 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:22,519 where the whole stuff is like this too, where it's 706 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,039 like seventeen years ago is when we're calling back to 707 00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:27,839 for some of this stuff fifty over fifty projects ago. 708 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,119 Like that is for any casual viewer or someone who's 709 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,559 even you know, watching these movies a lot back in 710 00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:35,720 the day. It's just that's a lot to remember and 711 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,079 store in your brain. So like they do need these 712 00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:40,759 things to some extent and infused in here, But I 713 00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:42,720 don't know, I don't know, it'd be hard to like 714 00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:45,519 it sounds like a difficult challenge to write. How do 715 00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:48,200 we make it new but also remind you kind of 716 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,599 what these bonds, like what Bucky means too, Sam do 717 00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:53,519 like a little mini version of it. We kind of 718 00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:55,960 want something new, But at the same time, how do 719 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,559 you get around that? It does seem like a really 720 00:30:57,599 --> 00:30:58,400 difficult problem. 721 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,559 Speaker 5: They're just gonna start doing crawls at the start of 722 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,440 a movie like a Star Wars, just fucking recap everybody. 723 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like double ketchup cause it's like you 724 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,319 gotta ketch up on Sam stuff and then you have 725 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,799 the whole stuff, which is like, again, it's great for 726 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:14,440 the story, but like, are we seeing Ross ever again? 727 00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:17,000 Like I don't think so, Like I think this is done, 728 00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:18,680 Like and that's why I was, like I was very 729 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,279 happy this. I know, I'm all with but it's like 730 00:31:20,319 --> 00:31:22,039 I was very happy to see live Tyler. But like 731 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,359 I hope she got paid well because like if you 732 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,480 would have showed me, like the script, right, the phone 733 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:29,279 call is different. Hey, we're gonna give you know, Tenji's 734 00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:30,279 just to record this phone call. 735 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:32,799 Speaker 4: Okay, sure, but come on set and just like hey Dad, 736 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:34,000 oh I got time to talk, Like. 737 00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: I wanted more. I want to see a bit of 738 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,599 their conversation, but just to cut away. It's just like, well, 739 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,039 that's like, there goes my return of Betty Ross. Like 740 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,319 maybe they're gonna do something with Hulk and we can 741 00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:46,920 get there, but it's just that's what's so tough with 742 00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:49,000 all these projects and well, yeah, like I said, I 743 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,039 want to do a bigger conversation about all this stuff 744 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,200 because it's so fascinating. Because I was talking about this 745 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:56,240 with a listener a dookie were talking about Sam and 746 00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:58,799 felt like just some of the issues with the projects 747 00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:03,319 of like when Chris Evans appeared as Captain America from 748 00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,359 that to Civil Wars five years, he appeared in six movies. 749 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,839 It's been four years. Sam's only appeared in one other 750 00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:10,680 thing other than the show, like it was a fellow 751 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,799 one shoulder and this so it's just like like they 752 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,680 Chris Evans had more than one year for his runn 753 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,480 as cap and this is his second project time out. 754 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:22,839 Even the first thing he was still Falcon So it's 755 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:24,680 just like interesting and to the point of just little 756 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,039 stuff of like in the phase that we have right now, 757 00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:30,880 like phase four and phase five half of we have 758 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,240 twelve new characters and all the Infinity war. 759 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,319 Speaker 4: Like to lead a project it was ten. 760 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: It's just like when you really compare these numbers and everything, 761 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,039 it's fascinating. I think that's the problem with this again too. 762 00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:43,400 It's just like maybe it's a little too late as well, 763 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:45,799 Like you give him the shield and now that was 764 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,400 six years ago, right, yeah, six years ago, And it's 765 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,839 just like do people do people feel like I watched 766 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:53,720 Fala one shouldier? 767 00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:56,039 Speaker 4: Oh, I don't care as much anymore. It's just yeah, 768 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:56,960 it's tough. 769 00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 3: So I I'm not sure if this is accurate, but 770 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,559 they seem pretty accurate in their their statement. But Mackie 771 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,240 is making ten million for his role here and kept 772 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:07,759 a mica. 773 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,279 Speaker 4: Where you get what is what the source of this? 774 00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:11,079 Speaker 1: Please? I need to hear what this is from. 775 00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 3: It's called fandom Wire. No no, no, they say Live 776 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:18,559 Tyler made three million. 777 00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:19,079 Speaker 5: For her role. 778 00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: If she three billion, then that's great for her because 779 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,799 I would I would say, if you say you're gonna 780 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:26,599 pay me three million to come on, send deliver four 781 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,640 lines as Yeah, but there's no way she got three million. 782 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,720 As much as I love Live Tyler, but. 783 00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 3: They say Harrison for fifteen million. 784 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,839 Speaker 1: I could believe that, but I don't think those are 785 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:40,400 true numbers. 786 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,079 Speaker 2: I don't think so, so huh crazy. Yeah, I guess 787 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,079 the some of the Betty stuff too. I mean, that's 788 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,440 like it just doesn't work for me. I mean, I'm 789 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:56,319 I'm notoriously not a fan of the Incredible Hulk movie, 790 00:33:56,359 --> 00:33:59,960 so it's you know, revisiting very often. Oh that I 791 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:00,880 out there for he did. 792 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 4: Then he keep back, like the flash your your features, that. 793 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: We know who you are now. 794 00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:09,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, like you know, I'm not super familiar with this stuff, 795 00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:12,519 but it really just had like no impact in this movie. 796 00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:14,719 And it's obviously the screen time is very limited yet 797 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,320 one physical scene and one quick phone call and then 798 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,559 just allusions to it. But to me, it was just like, Okay, 799 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,400 when we got the phone call, he was talking about it, 800 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,840 like obviously she's gonna be the one to like calm 801 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,639 him down at the in the final battle. But like 802 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,760 even that is a little that is the case. But 803 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,360 it's not even like with her, so you don't get 804 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,360 this big emotional scene. You get like a half emotional 805 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,079 scene because it's kind of just Sam alluding to her 806 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:36,400 and that I. 807 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 3: Thought she was coming down. 808 00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:38,639 Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna happen. 809 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,079 Speaker 2: I wondered, is Bucky come in? She who's no one? 810 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:43,199 It was just Sam on his own. 811 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 1: Good for him carried me in that final fight though, 812 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,400 when like we'll talk about fully, but at one point 813 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,480 they both get knocked out right and Sam gets up 814 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,639 and then Red Hull gets up when he's like, oh, 815 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,800 like I got this likely, let make sure he stands up, 816 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,679 And in the background, the sun was going down. I 817 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,639 was so fucking worried he was gonna do a sun's 818 00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:00,880 skin real low. Like thought they're gonna make a joke 819 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,840 in the moment because the sun is right beside them. 820 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,000 But they didn't. And I will say that for this, like, 821 00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:06,360 I think a lot of the humor in this movie 822 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,559 did not hit but I actually appreciate it. Do not 823 00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:11,199 feel like a joke of mile And there's stuff of 824 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,840 like when Venus Ross turns the Red Hulk and the 825 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,400 report they becoming they come in Red now It's like 826 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:16,960 I didn't need that. 827 00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 4: This is a huge moment. 828 00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: This should be like we've talked about, the President has 829 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,400 turned into a Hulk and he's literally destroying the White House. 830 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,679 Kudos to them to like destroying three American like landmarks. 831 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,599 I thought that was really cool, But that like kind 832 00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:30,159 of killed it for me, Like they come in red 833 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,800 now it's like, oh, but I think the rest of 834 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,000 the movie actually like held back a lot of the humors. 835 00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:37,960 I appreciate that because some movies are abundance and it's 836 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,079 just like it's killing the moments. But that still happened 837 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:40,639 in this movie. 838 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 3: When when that sunset was happening and they were actually 839 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,159 walking towards each other, I was getting PTSD because the 840 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,480 Red Hawk's gonna kick him like Hulk did to tim Roth. 841 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 4: And Sam's dying. 842 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,760 Speaker 3: Then Sam just flops against the tree like abomination. 843 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,559 Speaker 1: Did oh God, damn Jesus. 844 00:35:59,320 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 5: Yeah for me. 845 00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:03,039 Speaker 2: With the Betty stuff, I mean, I love Livtyler. You know, 846 00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:05,920 Arwin shouts out to Arwin. Always great to see her 847 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:06,360 on screen. 848 00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 5: I'm more like Dylan here though, Like I feel like 849 00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:14,039 the dynamic between specifically Harrison Ford and her it just 850 00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:16,760 seems so and I haven't seen incredib Hulk in a 851 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,599 very long time, so maybe the detachment of that of 852 00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:23,920 those two characters is like it should hit me really hard. 853 00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:27,239 I think that Harrison did such a great job at 854 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,920 portraying that pain and like just basically regret that that 855 00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:34,800 character would be feeling for just like, you know, basically 856 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,440 losing like the one thing that he didn't always know 857 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,320 was the most important thing in his life. But like 858 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,159 now that he's getting older, he's the fucking president of 859 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,480 the United States, now he's starting to have these thoughts 860 00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:47,039 of turning a new leaf. I think that he just 861 00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:49,440 sold me on that. So like I did get semi 862 00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:52,360 emotionally invested in it, but like, honestly, I didn't even 863 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,440 need her in this movie. I like it seemed because 864 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,239 to your point, Travis, like I wanted more of a 865 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,719 dialogue scene between the two of them, and he's just like, hey, Dad, 866 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,119 figure we'd catch up and then we just like roll 867 00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:04,519 credits essentially after that. I'm like, really like we did 868 00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:08,199 all of that, like just like just say that, like 869 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,639 he regrets losing her, and then she fucking died in 870 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,400 a car accident or something. That's the big that's the 871 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,000 big shtick about it, Like, are we ever going to 872 00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:16,880 see her again? Is she gonna be interacting with her 873 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,000 Bruce Banner? No, definitely not. There's no chance. 874 00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 4: No, I won't say no chance because if we do pizza. 875 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 5: Right now, I'm gonna roll with my pizza beds. 876 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,639 Speaker 1: So what is the pizza? 877 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 4: I want to be specific? 878 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:27,760 Speaker 1: What is the pizza bat? 879 00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:31,639 Speaker 2: What do you want to do if Tyler never comes back? 880 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 5: I think that this specific Live Tyler interacts with Bruce Banner. 881 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,519 Speaker 1: I would take that back because I do think if 882 00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:39,920 World War whole happens, she'll be back for that because I. 883 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 2: Think specifically live Tyler. 884 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I feel it. Ruffalo, Yeah, I feel like 885 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,760 that's something they should tie together. No, I'm not doing 886 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:48,079 the track. 887 00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 3: You feel good about your pizza be Kirklan? 888 00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 5: Absolutely? I do? 889 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,079 Speaker 1: Do you do? 890 00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 5: You not feel confident with me here? David? You think 891 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,480 Bruce Banner Mark Ruffalo is gonna be interacting with Betty 892 00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:03,360 Grant or whatever? 893 00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:04,159 Speaker 4: Betty Ross. 894 00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:06,679 Speaker 5: I think the darkest World War. 895 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,159 Speaker 2: If the World War Hulk thing does happen, I could 896 00:38:11,159 --> 00:38:13,079 see it. But that movie has been talked about for 897 00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:14,079 a decade at this point. 898 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,199 Speaker 1: The reason I'm just going off this is it's the 899 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,880 same way as like an endgame. Natalie Portman was back 900 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,440 for a scene. She came back for one day to 901 00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:22,400 lay on a bed and then they're like she's in 902 00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:23,840 love and thunder she's a coleead. 903 00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 4: So it feels like very similar as far as like. 904 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: Lift tires in one scene and boom, we're doing World 905 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,599 War Hawk now at the same time. Though, this is why, like, 906 00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:34,880 have you accepted the pizza bit yet? Did you accept that? 907 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 5: I thought I thought it was waiting for you to 908 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:36,800 accept it. 909 00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:38,039 Speaker 2: You're talking to them out of it. 910 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, Let's wait to the next newscast 911 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,519 because I because the problem is if this movie fucking. 912 00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 3: Research this movie money is gonna debate what happens here. 913 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,840 They're gonna be like she's the make or break. 914 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: No. I think they're gonna look at and be like, 915 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,320 we marketed this movie on Sam and Red Hulk, and 916 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,119 if people don't come up for Red Hulk, people don't 917 00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:57,800 care about Hulks. 918 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 4: And I may think people don't care about monks. 919 00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 3: That's the way they look at it though, because like, yeah, 920 00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,000 I see it. It's like Captain America and all this 921 00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:06,679 Hulk stuff. So if this movie bombs, you're saying they're 922 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,760 just gonna pin it on Oh it's all the Hulk stuff. 923 00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 2: Like they're gonna blame it on Sidewinder. 924 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 5: I think no. 925 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:17,639 Speaker 1: I think yeah, no, Carlo, Yeah we'll circle back, But no, 926 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,000 I think it's both Taylor. I think that Mackie will 927 00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:22,159 just be in Team ups now, and then I think 928 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,400 Hulk stuff will be kind of dormant for a bit 929 00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:26,519 because I just don't like, what do you like? People 930 00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:29,119 I think are over Professor Hulk all joking aside, the 931 00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:32,880 Scar reveal was awful. People are very mixed on She Hulk. 932 00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:34,840 I love that show, but I talked to so many 933 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,719 people that like, yeah, I hated shea Hulk. You know 934 00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:40,599 that aren't like, you know, like the misogynists, like just assholes, right, 935 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,760 And then with Red Hulk, I feel like it's gonna 936 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,920 be I think Ford is a positive, but I don't 937 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,320 think Marvel will be like, well, people really loved Harrison 938 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:48,960 Ford in this, so let's make Wild War Hulk. Like, 939 00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:52,199 I think the Hulk stock is dropping, and I think 940 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,400 with Mackie it's tough because if we do a reboot 941 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,280 on Secret Wars I easily think you see a new 942 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,400 Steve Rodgers and it's just a new blonde white guy 943 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,159 name trast Now, no, I get some Canadians, so I can't. 944 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:03,320 Speaker 2: John Walker comes back. 945 00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we're giving it back. 946 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: But no, that's why I'll wait for some box office seat. 947 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,079 But what I want to say Rows and Betty is 948 00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:13,440 uh So I liked what they were going for. I 949 00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:16,039 really liked the idea of both characters are dealing with 950 00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:17,679 how do you like? 951 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 4: Sorry? 952 00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 1: Both characters meaning Sam and Ross, where they have past things, 953 00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:24,760 very different past things, right, but they're trying to go 954 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,280 how do you evolve and become something different, something greater? 955 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,159 Speaker 4: And we'll talk probably more about Steve later. 956 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: Steve fuck, I have a big slit there, Sam later. 957 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,719 But with Ross, I guess my issue is okay. I 958 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,079 can buy he was a bad guy, made a lot 959 00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:40,079 of mistakes for his country, but still he wants to 960 00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:42,360 do good on them. Right. To me, it felt very 961 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,599 much like one of multiverse madness where I get what 962 00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:46,320 they're going for, but I think the writing's all over 963 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,320 the place. The first meeting has with Sam, I want 964 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,000 you to bring back to the Avengers. My god, we 965 00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:53,800 finally hear the A word in the fucking MCU crazy. Hey, 966 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,079 they're talking about avengers and we still didn't get anything. 967 00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:57,880 We'll come back to that layer, but like, okay, we 968 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,239 won't put together avengers. Great so and then Sam goes, 969 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,079 what do we disagree? And he's got we'll figure it out. 970 00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:05,719 But he makes this whole pitch about how he's changed 971 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,599 and wants to do things different, and he says the 972 00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:08,239 work together. 973 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 4: The first issue Sam and him have you're out. 974 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,280 Speaker 1: You're not Steve Roger. 975 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,519 Speaker 4: He's motherfucker Like he's completely let's try to be. 976 00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter though, Like the point of this character 977 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,320 is he's supposed to be trying to change, right, and 978 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,639 for our first instant, I'd be fine later on, but 979 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,000 the first time there's conflict between him and Sam, you're out, 980 00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:28,480 like I don't want You're not a part of this, 981 00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:29,639 You're not with our crew. 982 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:30,800 Speaker 4: I can't trust you. 983 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,559 Speaker 1: You're gone. And then later on the same thing where 984 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,920 he's walked with the Japanese, Uh is he a president? 985 00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 4: Premister? 986 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:40,599 Speaker 1: Thank you? So he's walking right in there to tend 987 00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:43,000 this conversation and he reveals, Hey, we got intel that 988 00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:45,679 America is a part of stealing that adamantium and it's 989 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,719 this great scene. We're fourd to make plays really well 990 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,239 being embarrassed. He showed up, right, But then we get 991 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,159 to the war room and he's just like, yeah, fuck it, 992 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,280 we're going on a war general. It's just like they 993 00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,119 to me, you do that scene first, and then you 994 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,000 have Japan revealed it was your fuck up, and he goes, man, 995 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,280 I got hot. I shouldn't have done that there, right, 996 00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:05,920 But he has all the evidence that, oh, we screwed up. 997 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,400 I should fix this now fuck it, let's just start bombing. 998 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,039 Then let's steal the out of Anti. Let's get our 999 00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:12,039 seal team sixth like so they would keep doing this 1000 00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:14,039 thing where I want to change, but he was not. 1001 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,880 He was doing just the same old stuff. And that's 1002 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,119 why I could not buy Sam being like he's trying 1003 00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:20,960 to be a better man. Were talking to leaders like no, 1004 00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:21,480 he's not. 1005 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,760 Speaker 4: Like he's like completely just like jumps to like one 1006 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,679 hundred instantly. So I appreciate what they're going for. I 1007 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,480 think the writing was just not there to. 1008 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: Cover it all the way with Ross, and I think 1009 00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:34,719 because they had Ford, he did a good job of 1010 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,360 getting like raising up the very shoddy materials. 1011 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. It honestly, I thought it was gonna go the 1012 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,440 route that he is being manipulated in some way, Like 1013 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,679 even Sam says that, like are you are you feeling 1014 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,679 like yourself lately? And I'm like, oh, this is gonna 1015 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,159 be why he's so erratic, Yeah, and literally just flopping 1016 00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:51,440 all over the place. But no, he's he's actually just 1017 00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:55,039 not not changed his ways. He's just same old thunderbolt. 1018 00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:57,920 So I was disappointed by that, but it's also on 1019 00:42:58,079 --> 00:42:59,679 par with some of the other messy things that were 1020 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,559 happy and it's again like just some of the cuts, 1021 00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:06,519 it just seemed like what you laid out with him 1022 00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:09,000 having the talk in in the in the old not 1023 00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:10,440 the Old. Yeah, I guess it was the oval off 1024 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,320 wherever that they had the meeting in the White House. Yeah, 1025 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,639 and you know, like we're gonna do this different, and 1026 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,079 like you said, like screen time probably like fucking eleven 1027 00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,079 minutes later or something, it felt like it's it felt 1028 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,920 so fast, like you're out, you're done, and like it 1029 00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:27,639 actually I just couldn't believe what was happening. I'm like, 1030 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,400 this is crazy, Like he's actually just banishing him from 1031 00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:34,280 being captain America here like this early on, I yeah, 1032 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,400 that was that was hard for me to swallow that pill. 1033 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,840 But uh yeah, I was pretty disappointed that it was 1034 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,480 just some inconsistencies with the writing and it would have 1035 00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:43,400 been better if he was just being controlled. And then 1036 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,280 that's what sets them off to be Red Hulk because like, 1037 00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:49,199 is he just never gonna go Red Hulk again? Like 1038 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,480 he just became Red Hulk because of the pills. 1039 00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:54,039 Speaker 1: That understand the rules because then he stopped taking the pills. 1040 00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:55,519 But I thought he needed the pills to survive. 1041 00:43:56,519 --> 00:43:57,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, so he's dead now. 1042 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 3: I don't know, he just dies in conversation with Betty 1043 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,360 just part explode. You think that's what they're gonna get to, 1044 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,480 where oh he is being controlled. And I thought when 1045 00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:08,599 Sam was in the uh the on the ship with 1046 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,920 him in that private office, I thought he's gonna play 1047 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,719 like that mister Blue song. 1048 00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:16,199 Speaker 4: And and trigger him kills the innocent. 1049 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,159 Speaker 1: But we played that one wrong. 1050 00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 3: They this is what the writing is a little bit 1051 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,840 messy because Sam, it turns out he's just holding like 1052 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,159 his schematics. It's like how does how does uh samtor 1053 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,440 Stearns have your your health stuff? And he's like oh, 1054 00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:32,679 we probably hacked it or something like that. It's like 1055 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,639 that is such a bullshit answer. 1056 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,280 Speaker 4: He's like, you signed off on it, sir. 1057 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,760 Speaker 5: If you could mind control, you probably could hack it 1058 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:39,639 many times. 1059 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. And that was the other thing to that mid 1060 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,199 conversation where they're talking about Bradley writing. He's like, hey, like, 1061 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,880 I know this guy wouldn't do this. He's a hero. 1062 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 4: Like something's controlling them. He's like, no, he's going to prison. 1063 00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,440 It's like we live in a world we live and 1064 00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:54,920 we'll get to him. But like in Congress, we got 1065 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:55,320 a guy. 1066 00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 1: Who killed jfk and he's about to be elected. Why 1067 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,039 because he was mind controlled for decades. In the the 1068 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,719 fact that Ross won't even listen to the idea that 1069 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,280 something's controlling to him, that's so out of Like that's 1070 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,119 the problem where we are on the MCU. It has 1071 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,920 been seventeen to eighteen years of aliens exists, mind control exists. 1072 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,039 So you can't have Ross, who has been part of 1073 00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:16,119 the Avengers like working with them, be like it's not 1074 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,199 mine control can't be. It's like what like the guy 1075 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,719 who's running for senator apparently killed Robert F. Kennedy In 1076 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,039 this timeline. He killed the Starks against his will, and 1077 00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:29,559 we're not gonna say Bradley had nothing to like what Like, 1078 00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:29,920 it's just. 1079 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,679 Speaker 2: In a world where the whole plot is revolving around 1080 00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:34,079 like this giant bean that came out of this center 1081 00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:39,079 the ocean. Yeah, that stuff. It's always, yeah, especially weird 1082 00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:41,320 given that he's someone who's been so close to these 1083 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,320 people over the years and seeing what mind control can do. 1084 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,280 But I think it's where this movie's plot in general, 1085 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,719 I feel like there wasn't a whole lot of like 1086 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,599 consequences to things, and things just kind of randomly happen. 1087 00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:54,599 I think that's just generally we have to be so 1088 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,199 careful with like mind control and movies, and in this 1089 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,519 where he's mind controlling just like tons of people, but 1090 00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:04,519 it's like it feels like he has unlimited power. But 1091 00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:06,119 then like, why didn't he Why wouldn't he just like 1092 00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:09,760 mind control cap or something, or why wouldn't he mind 1093 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,320 control him as Red Hulk or why why did he 1094 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,320 even turn him into Redgle Why didn't he just mind 1095 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,039 control like. 1096 00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:17,679 Speaker 1: Make his legacy well his legacy, but he but. 1097 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 2: What wouldn't it be easier to just mind control him 1098 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,519 and have him out like that press conference, like take 1099 00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:23,320 out a gun and shoot someone in the audience or 1100 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,039 something like. It feels like there's a million more convenient 1101 00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:28,800 ways that you could just do that, but like. 1102 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,079 Speaker 3: The bane of his existence, right, so the term into 1103 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:31,920 a hulk is like. 1104 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,639 Speaker 1: And that's and that's fine, But like, here's my question, 1105 00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:38,519 why did Samuel Sterns lock himself up? 1106 00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:41,559 Speaker 2: I have no fucking idea. I was hoping you guys 1107 00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:42,119 could answer that. 1108 00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:46,599 Speaker 1: I G. It's terrible when we talk about editing scenes. 1109 00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:49,400 They have this shot where it's so anti colmatic. What 1110 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,199 happens with the leader. Leader Sam's just sitting on a 1111 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,440 bench somewhere. Leader just shows up, like just a random guy. 1112 00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:57,960 He starts talking to him. Okay, they have this shot 1113 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,559 of the leader everything CGI behind him, his like bodies 1114 00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:04,440 half CGI. It's like, okay, clearly this is all reshot stuff, 1115 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,159 but he's talking everything. He gets arrested. The second he 1116 00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:10,480 gets arrested. Of course, reporters are like, he's admitted that 1117 00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:15,039 you were tampering with all like articles written, right, but 1118 00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:16,440 let's let's say it's been a couple hours. 1119 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,039 Speaker 4: Maybe right, I'm giving them benefit of doubt. 1120 00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: Maybe something happen, even though Stern's literally says like in minutes, 1121 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,559 everyone gonna see the mass and rosses who knows how 1122 00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:25,880 long it takes the flower, but either way, that's fine, 1123 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,480 let's let's give them pass. The speech that he plays 1124 00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:31,360 is the speech that he recorded, right of Ross, and 1125 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,000 maybe he did all this bad stuff yet he could 1126 00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:37,199 just play that. Stern could be sending McDonald's hit play 1127 00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:40,039 hack it and that's it. He didn't need to lock 1128 00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:44,239 himself up to because it's Ross literally on the thing saying. 1129 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 3: He could be fake though, I mean right, like if 1130 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,440 you go he's arrested, though that could be Ai who knows, okay, 1131 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,559 but if he's arrested, couldn't Ross he's arrested. I think 1132 00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:54,920 it generates more momentum behind it. 1133 00:47:56,679 --> 00:47:57,039 Speaker 4: I don't know. 1134 00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:00,639 Speaker 1: I just didn't buy why Stern, just like Willingly, after decade, 1135 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,440 like a decade of planning this revenge, that gave himself 1136 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,519 up before his plan was enacting. I guess he did 1137 00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:08,159 become the Hulk, which again I don't understand the rules, 1138 00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:10,480 because he stopped himself or becoming the Hulk on that 1139 00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:14,079 sub but then here he couldn't do it again. 1140 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,400 Speaker 3: It was the scenario right, because the situation defused on 1141 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,119 the sub. She's like, oh, the Captain America saved the day. 1142 00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:21,239 Planes are fall back, Like. 1143 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,159 Speaker 4: He didn't know that. Tho, he didn't know that. She 1144 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,159 just came in and he was like getting sex talked 1145 00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:25,320 in the. 1146 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,239 Speaker 3: Ear by the leader. And she told him though immediately like, hey, 1147 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,320 the planes Captain America saved the day. And he said 1148 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,360 like okay, good, and then he was able to phase 1149 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:34,519 out the leader. 1150 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,079 Speaker 1: Which he was doing. 1151 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,280 Speaker 4: You're getting man, you're so rageful. Oh I get that fire. 1152 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,280 Speaker 5: That lady like comes along. It's like, sir, you know 1153 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,599 they they're standing down. He's just like he's like already massive, 1154 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,159 Like he's looking like fucking Charlton Heston or something, like 1155 00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:50,039 he's not quite hulk size. He's getting pretty big. He's 1156 00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:53,239 like squeezing the pipes red eyes. And she's just like 1157 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,719 not really reacting, like, sir, it's a it's okay now. 1158 00:48:56,119 --> 00:48:59,079 Speaker 3: Is Red Hawk's skin just normally really hot? 1159 00:48:59,599 --> 00:48:59,760 Speaker 1: Yes? 1160 00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:01,880 Speaker 4: Fires one of his I was wearing. 1161 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,760 Speaker 3: Why his clothes are like burning off of him? 1162 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,280 Speaker 1: I was like, what, yes? Fires? 1163 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 5: One Cardiovascular disease, Taylor, you know when it starts pandemic 1164 00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:09,639 in this country. 1165 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,480 Speaker 1: What I was going to circle back to for the 1166 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,519 mind controls. I didn't mind when they found all the 1167 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:17,840 files on people and he can control them because like, Okay, 1168 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,360 I like that he has to get some vital some 1169 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,280 stuff where it's like if he doesn't, if he just 1170 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,880 sees you know, if I have all Taylor's health information, 1171 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,840 I can control But if I bump in Dylan, I 1172 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,320 can't control him because I don't have everything right. But 1173 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,280 then like that guy who was like a random side 1174 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,480 character for a bit that Sam met in the first mission, 1175 00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:37,079 and he had some random biology with him, right, he 1176 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,440 the bearded guy that he gives the marine. 1177 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's like accepting calls when they're in the 1178 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,280 middle of a training mission. That was kind of crazy. 1179 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,599 Speaker 1: So did he just like he just gave him a 1180 00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:50,400 heart attack randomly, right, Like I don't think he had 1181 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,280 any credentials on it in this dial. So Dylan was 1182 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,719 when I was like, why didn't he do that to Sam? 1183 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,119 I would understand if it's revealed that he needed Sam 1184 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,880 to do something, right, but before he pimps off the mill, 1185 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,679 he's like, well and hopefully you die so he'll stop 1186 00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,199 being inconvenience in my plans whatever he says, right, So. 1187 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,960 Speaker 4: Like clearly has no use for Sam. Why not just 1188 00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:10,079 heart attack him right there? 1189 00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:12,199 Speaker 5: Well, because he's he's saying, if he goes sees the 1190 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,800 Red Hulk, he's gonna die, right, He's all about probability, 1191 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,840 so he probably has high probability. 1192 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,519 Speaker 1: When he wants like he wants him out, Like why 1193 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,760 even keep because he says he's getting in his way. 1194 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:21,719 Speaker 4: He doesn't like that he's. 1195 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,840 Speaker 5: Going in the lab. You're saying, like he could have 1196 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,039 just killed them with the heart attack, tactile. 1197 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 4: Little falcon cap done and your plans back on. 1198 00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:29,280 Speaker 5: You're not wrong? 1199 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,159 Speaker 1: Why? I don't know? 1200 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I I found like the pacing of 1201 00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:38,440 Leader in general was just it's just it's like, okay, 1202 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,360 he can mind control and he can hear everyone, so 1203 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,639 it's like okay, I guess like no matter what, he 1204 00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,800 can just be anywhere and do anything. But like all right, Yeah, 1205 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,400 when he left the base, went to some random suburb, 1206 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,360 killed someone just to watch the TV, I guess, which 1207 00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:52,079 was like okay. 1208 00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:54,440 Speaker 3: And then admiral so I think he had like his 1209 00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:57,840 number to the sure that's why, Yeah, there you go. 1210 00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 2: And then and then yeah, and then as he just 1211 00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:02,599 fast troubles like that base, and of course he gets 1212 00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:05,920 there like within three seconds of him about to call captains, 1213 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,119 you know. But it makes sense technically because you can 1214 00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:10,639 hear every what everyone is saying at every second. Ever, 1215 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,280 so yeah, I guess he's got the biggest brain. 1216 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:13,719 Speaker 1: He can do it. 1217 00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:16,480 Speaker 2: And then he's just not very engaging for a movie watcher. 1218 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,360 Speaker 1: It's like he just shows up in the middle of 1219 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,840 a yard and gets arrested. And that's why for me, 1220 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,079 this definitely has shades of how Black Liddle felt like 1221 00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:26,400 a lesser Winter soldier. This feels like a lesser Civil 1222 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,519 War where they're trying to, I think, do the Zmo 1223 00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:30,920 thing where it's like, oh, Zemo, you know, doesn't die, 1224 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,960 kind of gives himself up right and they arrest them 1225 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,679 and it's this big deal. But like here, it's just 1226 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,320 so anti climatic, like these guards just come and throw 1227 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,639 a leader to the ground and they arrest him and 1228 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,400 he's in the raft, which bugs the fuck out of me. 1229 00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:44,840 Every time we go the raft. There's not a single 1230 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,360 soul in there. Baron Zimo's in there at one point. 1231 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,199 Abomination was in there. Even in the n Chris, which 1232 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,679 was aubout later Ross is in there, he's nowhere to 1233 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,360 be found while Captain America's talking like it bugs me 1234 00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:57,280 so much of like you can pay Livti to come 1235 00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,360 on set. You can't pay Daniel Brewe, who was in 1236 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,679 though wins that have been a cool tie, right if 1237 00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:03,639 he walks by and sees Zmo and there's like a 1238 00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:05,320 even mini face off. 1239 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,559 Speaker 2: But no, the raft is I how you get a 1240 00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:09,760 budget out of control there, Travis, you gotta be careful 1241 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:09,920 with that. 1242 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,199 Speaker 4: I ge't well, it sounds like they're already doing that. 1243 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:13,159 So what's going on here? 1244 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,639 Speaker 1: Like I don't know, or just throwing some random seed 1245 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,719 jet like let's be like, hey, what Marvel character are 1246 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,519 We're not gonna use Oh we're not gonna use like 1247 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,159 the beast Herder. Okay, throw the beast Herder back in 1248 00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:25,679 the background. That's cool, like something like that, right, Like 1249 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,679 throw just some films in there. 1250 00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:30,239 Speaker 4: To show like, oh this is like like even in 1251 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,400 was it an Endgame? Five years? 1252 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,239 Speaker 1: I'm sure they caught some fucking weirdos in five years 1253 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,320 in between movies, right, Like, there's no one in the raft, 1254 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,280 just a small thing that bugs me every time. The 1255 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,159 raft is a ghost Town except for whatever main character 1256 00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:45,360 our hero has to talk to. You know, let's take 1257 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:46,960 it too that break, we'll be right back. 1258 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,280 Speaker 4: And we're back. 1259 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,400 Speaker 1: Do we have anything more on the Leader because we 1260 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,119 should have cut that off. 1261 00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:54,079 Speaker 4: I liked his luck enough. 1262 00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:56,800 Speaker 1: I liked. I think Tim Blake Nelson's voice was really good. 1263 00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,960 I like the way he spoke. So it sucks that 1264 00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:02,000 I liked the presentation but not the quality of what 1265 00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:02,440 we got. 1266 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,119 Speaker 5: His voice quality, it felt like it was like one 1267 00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:08,159 hundred and ten percent better than like everyone else. I 1268 00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:10,320 don't know what it was. It just sounded so crisp 1269 00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:11,960 compared to everyone that. 1270 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,440 Speaker 2: Was hooked up to him was locked and loaded that 1271 00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:15,199 oh yeah. 1272 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,840 Speaker 5: Per it was like a thousand dollars more expensive boom yeah. 1273 00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:22,360 Just every time he spoke, I swear I could like 1274 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,559 hear it inside my head, like it was just it. 1275 00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:27,320 Speaker 4: Was the sound mixing though, right because he was supposed 1276 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,719 to be in your hands that might have moved. 1277 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,440 Speaker 5: No, it was effective. Like I I'm like, holy crap, 1278 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,440 the Leaders speaking to me right now? So I agree, 1279 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,159 I I I think I kept getting this character confused 1280 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,199 with the green lantern guy, the guy with the big head. 1281 00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:43,639 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. 1282 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,000 Speaker 5: So that's literally who I was picturing coming into this movie, 1283 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,360 and I thought that was from the fuck is his name? 1284 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:48,880 Speaker 1: I'll get it. 1285 00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:52,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't remember a Hammond. Hector Hammond. Yeah, Like 1286 00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:54,599 I I literally thought that that's who this character was. 1287 00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:56,039 So I'm like, oh, this is a different actor, and 1288 00:53:56,119 --> 00:53:58,960 I'm like, oh, that's fucking in the Streets. 1289 00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:00,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's a DC movie. 1290 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,280 Speaker 5: Right, Okay, So I really didn't remember who this guy was. 1291 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,039 He's from The Incredible Hulk. I haven't seen that movie 1292 00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:05,440 in so long. 1293 00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:08,159 Speaker 4: Yes, he's a good he's like, uh, he's just like 1294 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:08,760 not a good guy. 1295 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,599 Speaker 1: But he's another character trying to help the Hulk out 1296 00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:13,000 and then bad situations happened that create him to be 1297 00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,199 the leader. Which yet it's fun that he's mister Blue 1298 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,360 because that's his code name in the movie, and then 1299 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,159 they chose mister Blue song. So I like that as 1300 00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:21,679 a callback. That's a very fun because that's the whole movie. 1301 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,519 Bruce Banner's talking to just like a blogger and it's 1302 00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:27,400 mister Blue, and he's trying like he's another scientist, yes, 1303 00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:29,400 and he's trying like he's Bruce has sent him his 1304 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,159 blood DNA like, can you help me? He's like no, 1305 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,199 I need you to be here. So I like there's 1306 00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:34,880 a fun little cult. Like I said, the people who 1307 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,679 wrote this, they're fans of Incredible Hulk for sure, or 1308 00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:39,039 at least they give it a watch again. 1309 00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:41,159 Speaker 5: So they waited, you know, they did their wait in 1310 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:42,920 seventeen years of it, and as. 1311 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,480 Speaker 2: They did the Blade running this like written in the 1312 00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:46,199 raft waiting for. 1313 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,440 Speaker 3: Oh sorry, I was just gonna say, it's brutal when 1314 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,920 you find out that Ross and co Are just like 1315 00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:55,360 putting more gamma into his brain just to fuck him up. 1316 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that. 1317 00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,480 Speaker 5: What I was gonna say is like I was actually 1318 00:54:57,519 --> 00:55:02,000 like really impressed by his like explanation for his motivation. 1319 00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:04,400 I'm like, this is actually justified, Like this is this 1320 00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:08,679 is actually a decent villain origin story as opposed. 1321 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,679 Speaker 2: To just like he stole my design and like like 1322 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,960 you know, like just such a like sidewinder who only 1323 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,320 cares about just here for the money. Yeah. 1324 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,159 Speaker 5: So yes, I was pretty impressed. I think with just 1325 00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:28,119 majority of the stuff with the leader, I think just 1326 00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,599 certain I just wanted more. I think because because I 1327 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,719 was interested and I like the look he was creepy. 1328 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,599 I like his like glowy gamma eyes and yeah, I 1329 00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:41,119 don't know it just maybe because we had too many 1330 00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:43,719 pieces to the like on the on the chessboard, like 1331 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,519 like we we couldn't really focus just with that character, 1332 00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:49,320 Like they try to make the villain not just that, 1333 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,599 like maybe we just didn't have Sidewinder in this whole film, 1334 00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,719 but fits like the claw role as well, right, like 1335 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,199 it's a very similar type of villain. 1336 00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:03,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like foreigner type any more thoughts. No, I'm good. 1337 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,119 Speaker 1: I guess we should talk about now, just because like 1338 00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:08,159 I'm not gonna do a cutout for this end credit. 1339 00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:11,119 The end credit is mackiw which is so weird. Right 1340 00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,559 he goes to see Ross broken arm and everything cool. 1341 00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:16,199 I guess he came back to the raft just to 1342 00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:18,840 check on the Leader, which is just like why wouldn't 1343 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,320 you just put an arm thing on him, Like if 1344 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,239 it makes more sense to check on Ross and then 1345 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:23,760 go check on Leader at the same time, Like why 1346 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,360 did he come back for him? They had the most 1347 00:56:26,639 --> 00:56:29,599 generic Like I I would be willing to put this 1348 00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,639 in the bottom five rands MSU end credit scenings because 1349 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,559 it's so lazy and it's so just like right, we're 1350 00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:38,800 doing doom. In the middle of this, our plan was king, 1351 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,719 what do we do? Just have the leaders say that 1352 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,639 other worlds are coming? Great? How does he know? 1353 00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:45,519 Speaker 2: Walt's yeah, well because he says specifically the others. Is 1354 00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:47,880 that like a reference to a specific thing? 1355 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,679 Speaker 4: I think I don't think so. If it is, it's 1356 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,360 some minor rap group in the Marvel something, but you. 1357 00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:56,760 Speaker 1: And that's all it is. And that's why I said 1358 00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:01,039 to Sticky Fingers, is coming, I said to Taylor, where 1359 00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,679 this again made me so mad? Where this, to me 1360 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,239 feels like a perfect setup for Avengers five, which is 1361 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,199 them versus the Masters of Evil. You could have Leader 1362 00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:13,320 Zemos in the raft like you have other characters. You 1363 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,920 could pull officely thunderbolts happening. But just like, to me, 1364 00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:17,800 that's the set where it's like, oh, same thing, we're 1365 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,320 pro If we don't get a Hulk movie, we're never 1366 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,639 seeing the Leader again. But to be the Leader would 1367 00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:24,880 be a perfect Hey, we're gonna get six bad guys 1368 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,920 who are like be tier but altogether making a tier team, right, 1369 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,280 and they're gonna fight Mackie and his new Avengers. But no, 1370 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,719 it's just for him to be like, Eh, there's not 1371 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,440 that world's coming and that's where the people go, Oh, 1372 00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:37,719 I guess other worlds are coming, right, Like I just 1373 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,320 like it's the at least with Fanos. It's like you 1374 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,119 see a guy in space, he turns around, like who 1375 00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:46,079 is this ambiguous figure? Right? If they I would have 1376 00:57:46,119 --> 00:57:48,360 still not been a fan. But if it's like, Okay, 1377 00:57:48,599 --> 00:57:51,159 we're gonna just fucking show him down. He Dan's been here. Okay, 1378 00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:53,320 that's juicy. It's like you're showing down in his doom 1379 00:57:53,639 --> 00:57:55,920 and he's coming right. But it's just the leader just 1380 00:57:56,039 --> 00:57:58,559 like and technically I think he's still just making a guess. 1381 00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:00,679 I don't think he knows this. It's just probability that 1382 00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:03,280 there's other worlds. So this is to me a bottom 1383 00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,239 five MCU scene of just don't show anything, or just 1384 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,559 show something for Thunderbolts. We did this in the past, 1385 00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:10,920 where like the ant Man end credit was a scene 1386 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,320 for Civil War. Just promote your next movie. 1387 00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:15,119 Speaker 4: You know it might be lame. But it's just like 1388 00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:19,480 this is just so like, yeah, just like I don't know. 1389 00:58:19,639 --> 00:58:21,440 It's just they won't even say doomed because you know why, 1390 00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:24,480 they can't even like I have another point I'll. 1391 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,159 Speaker 1: Say right here, I say this is Taylor. You know, 1392 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,639 because we said this in the predictions, we thought, okay, 1393 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,800 Avengers has to happen. Right, He's gonna talk with Fury, 1394 00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,119 He's gonna talk with some other Avengers. They even set 1395 00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:36,800 this up in this movie where Falcon the whole time 1396 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,519 is talking about how he's a fan of ant Man. Right, 1397 00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:41,400 what a perfect way for to go see Paul Rudder like, hey, 1398 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,079 we're putting the team back together, wanting to be right there, 1399 00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:46,760 you've made that bond of Falcon's a fan of ant Man. 1400 00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,000 Speaker 4: Let's go there friendly. 1401 00:58:48,159 --> 00:58:50,000 Speaker 1: Right. They won't do that, you know why because they 1402 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,960 don't even fucking know who's on the Avengers. Because they 1403 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,360 have no idea about any of this. They've not planned 1404 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,320 this out. So that's why I'm like, why couldn't they 1405 00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,000 just have any Avenger because they don't even know. I 1406 00:58:58,039 --> 00:58:59,679 bet they don't even know if Paul Rudd's gonna be 1407 00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:02,239 an event. They don't even know if Bucky's gonna be 1408 00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:04,800 a Vanderin. That's what's so disappointing of Like, you could 1409 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,400 have Nick Fear, you could have Robert Downy shop in 1410 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,840 The Incredible Hulk end credits scene because you know Hulk's 1411 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,400 gonna be there, but here it's just like it's so 1412 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,280 just ambiguous, like oh, we're doing something, but it means nothing. 1413 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,599 And it's so frustrating when it's the same, like not 1414 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,840 the exact same, but like it's Foggy in company right, 1415 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,400 and I just feel like I'm starting to say it 1416 00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:30,320 just reminds me a lot of twenty fifteen to twenty 1417 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,119 seventeen DCEU, which is not good because then I feel 1418 00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:36,920 like we're gonna start seeing like does Foggy need to go? 1419 00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:38,800 And if it keeps going like this, like that's a 1420 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,960 bad thing to say, but it's like this, it just feels. 1421 00:59:41,719 --> 00:59:42,679 Speaker 3: Like it's blind order. 1422 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't know, frustrating and credits scene 1423 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:47,440 to me, very frustrating. 1424 00:59:47,719 --> 00:59:50,199 Speaker 5: It felt like a scene I had already seen before, honestly, 1425 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,519 like like I not just in the MCU, but like 1426 00:59:53,719 --> 00:59:57,000 it just I guess Batman was pretty similar, like going 1427 00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,559 to see the Riddler, you know, like just going crazy 1428 00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:02,039 in the soull. I don't know, it just seemed like 1429 01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:05,679 we've been there before, and I didn't stay in the theater. Thankfully, 1430 01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:07,079 you guys told me so I just watched it in 1431 01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:08,000 my car after. 1432 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,679 Speaker 4: Remember they were talking about Batman. Remember in BVS. 1433 01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:12,599 Speaker 1: At the end he goes sees Luther and Luthor talks 1434 01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:14,639 about how they're coming and they're coming for the boxes. 1435 01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:19,280 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, it's the exact same dialogue. Yeah, you're right, 1436 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,079 And it's like the most generic thing to cover, like 1437 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,800 they are coming, like a threat is coming, okay, place for. 1438 01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,360 Speaker 1: Us to be going into Doomsday's Secret Wars where we're 1439 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:33,840 comparing the BBS, you know, jail scene, Like that's where 1440 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,480 I'm like, fuck man, like we like, I just feel 1441 01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:39,719 like we're so fucked for to tell the listeners, I 1442 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,920 rewatch Infinny Warren Endgame, and to me, I completely think 1443 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,719 we're fucked for Secret Wars and dooms they like. Seeing 1444 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,199 the quality was like we're gonna get nowhere closest and 1445 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,880 seeing this movie, even though I'm not gonna fail this movie, 1446 01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:53,519 there's aspects where I go, oh, we're so fucked, like 1447 01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:55,400 and this end credit was like, oh, we're fucked Like 1448 01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,119 this is like they don't know what We're just throwing ship. 1449 01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:02,360 Speaker 2: The wall, So can I guess somewhere more fun and positive? 1450 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,000 Speaker 1: Til you have anything? So credit. 1451 01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:07,199 Speaker 3: It would have been nice to get something a little 1452 01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:09,079 bit more certain and not so ambiguous. 1453 01:01:09,199 --> 01:01:11,320 Speaker 4: Okay, take a still, well said dad. 1454 01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:17,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, Isaiah Bradley and walking Torres and Cap when they're 1455 01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:19,480 just hanging out. I love those scenes. I think they 1456 01:01:19,519 --> 01:01:21,400 were all really fun. I think the dynamic is really 1457 01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,880 great there, Isaiah Bradley. Anyone know the actor's name off 1458 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:24,480 the top of their. 1459 01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,079 Speaker 4: Head, Carl Lumbley. It's it's l U. 1460 01:01:27,239 --> 01:01:27,840 Speaker 2: Carl Lumbley. 1461 01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:29,960 Speaker 1: L why I always screwed up because it's a weird thing. 1462 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:30,840 But yeah, Carl. 1463 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,440 Speaker 2: He was the star of the show for me. I 1464 01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:35,360 thought he was fantastic in this. I kind of, you know, 1465 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,599 somewhat remember with a foggy memory, like his role in 1466 01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:40,719 Falcon and a Soldier. It's just been a while. I 1467 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,039 haven't rewatched that or anything, but I thought he was 1468 01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:45,000 so great in this. I thought he brought the emotion 1469 01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:47,719 when he needed to. He brought that like Harrison Ford 1470 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,679 curmudgeon le guy energy when he needed to. But like 1471 01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:53,360 when he gets this suit and they're in the limo 1472 01:01:53,679 --> 01:01:55,400 and they're going to the place, you know, it's it's 1473 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,760 not on top tier like MCU Slice of Life stuff. 1474 01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,480 But when we think about like the Avenger too, like 1475 01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:04,920 party scene or just like small little scenes where characters 1476 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,639 are hanging out having a good time, kind of the 1477 01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:09,199 the filler scenes, so to speak. I just had so 1478 01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,199 much fun with that stuff here, even the training gym. 1479 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,559 I think, Travis, you like that. I agree with you 1480 01:02:14,639 --> 01:02:16,519 on the humor, Like most of the jokes in this 1481 01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:18,880 movie are like, you know, solid five out of ten, 1482 01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,559 maybe a six out of ten. It's like, yeah, sure, 1483 01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:23,559 maybe a slight chuckle, but probably not. And I think 1484 01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:25,559 some of the old man like phone stuff was like, yeah, 1485 01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:28,440 I don't I'm not loving this necessarily, but otherwise I 1486 01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:30,840 really enjoyed those scenes. And then afterwards, you know, even 1487 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,000 gets a little more emotion after Sam and Isaiah Bradley 1488 01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:36,920 go back to his office there and talk a little 1489 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,280 bit more. But yeah, I really enjoyed that stuff in 1490 01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:41,880 the movie. I think that was probably the highlight for me. 1491 01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,320 It was kind of the trio there and even walking 1492 01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,159 like he is supposed to be the goofy sidekick guy, 1493 01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:49,280 always equipping and stuff, but I still think he brought 1494 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,320 some heart. I think the chemistry was good between them. 1495 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,599 So yeah, that's the stuff that I think. I'm gonna 1496 01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:55,920 remember about this movie. Weirdly enough, I'm not gonna remember 1497 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,519 the whole stuff. I'm not gonna remember the leader and whatnot. 1498 01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:01,800 I'm just gonna and probably just remember like that little trio. 1499 01:03:02,719 --> 01:03:05,760 And it really makes me curious how Little Falcon is 1500 01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,400 gonna be used going forward, because obviously, if we're set 1501 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,639 up here with like what we have, when we're continuing 1502 01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:13,320 on this trajectory, it seems like he would be promoted. 1503 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,079 Maybe maybe he's too much of a novice to be 1504 01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:17,719 on the actual Avengers. No, it was kind of good debate, 1505 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,679 but it's like story wise, it would make sense if 1506 01:03:20,719 --> 01:03:22,519 we like are going in that direction. I think he's 1507 01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:24,400 a bit Yeah, it's not really skilled enough yet. I 1508 01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,360 mean he barely made it or that one fight alive. 1509 01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:30,159 But I don't know in terms of like they're dynamic together. 1510 01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:32,119 I want to see them more together, but it is 1511 01:03:32,159 --> 01:03:34,480 hard to envision like where exactly that would happen. 1512 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,599 Speaker 1: Yeah. I like Sam's speech if like you got to earn, 1513 01:03:36,679 --> 01:03:38,519 which was very funny. He's like, oh, you know, like 1514 01:03:38,639 --> 01:03:41,519 I all this pressure and he's like you don't screw 1515 01:03:41,639 --> 01:03:44,239 up on a pressure? Sam, So like, yeah, no, I 1516 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,760 don't and then he talks about why he doesn't, but 1517 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,320 like he never I thought he's gonna be like, Oh, 1518 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,239 he's gonna tell all the times he failed. No, Sam 1519 01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,480 Wilson does not fail, I guess. But yeah, that's the 1520 01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:55,239 thing that I like the speech. But that's where it's like, 1521 01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:56,599 in the back of my mind, he was like, Oh, yeah, 1522 01:03:56,639 --> 01:03:58,440 you just got to build up and earn it. And 1523 01:03:58,480 --> 01:03:59,960 he's like, yeah, I want that pressure on my should 1524 01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:02,199 or something like we're not gonna get the same way 1525 01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:04,239 we got to see that build from Sam to come 1526 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,400 cap or we're not going to get that here. And 1527 01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,639 that's where it's like it like almost rings hollow and 1528 01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:10,920 I'd be fine that, but like, there's no chance this 1529 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:11,480 guy's fighting. 1530 01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:14,679 Speaker 2: It's almost like when Spidey's like, I just need a suit. 1531 01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,480 He's like, if you've if you're nothing without the suit, 1532 01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:18,639 you know wherever that quote is from Ironman, It's like 1533 01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:21,239 he just wants the Waconda like upgrade armor and he 1534 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,400 thinks that everything will be okay if he gets upset. 1535 01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:25,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I'd like to see more And yeah, 1536 01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:28,079 to me, uh, Carl Umblee is a fucking lock. Next 1537 01:04:28,159 --> 01:04:30,599 year for Golden Geeks Marl Golden geeks for supporting actor 1538 01:04:30,719 --> 01:04:33,840 wherever he was. He's great, fog warn soldier, he's great here. 1539 01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:37,119 The only thing I would have wanted more not from him, 1540 01:04:37,239 --> 01:04:39,559 just the writing. I would have loved a scene specifically 1541 01:04:39,639 --> 01:04:41,920 with him and Harrison Ford because I thought that would 1542 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,159 have been cool. And he even refers to saying like 1543 01:04:44,239 --> 01:04:46,519 he has history with Ross, so it'd be another great 1544 01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:48,480 person to show like, hey, I know we have history 1545 01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,239 war times, but like I want to change this. 1546 01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,159 Speaker 2: This feels like a scene that would get cut, like 1547 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,599 if you needed to, if you had issues with this 1548 01:04:55,679 --> 01:04:58,039 movie with we know it did like maybe it did 1549 01:04:58,119 --> 01:04:59,840 happen or maybe they couldn't figure out how to write it. 1550 01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:01,039 It made a way that made sense. 1551 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,239 Speaker 1: That's what's sad, because that's the whole thing right there, 1552 01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,880 is like, hey, I hate what happened to you. You 1553 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,159 know when you were Captain America. They pretty much just 1554 01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:09,960 like threw him in jail. But I want to make 1555 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,559 sure that especially because like he brings up like, oh 1556 01:05:12,639 --> 01:05:16,239 you are Captain America to that president, right, and for 1557 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,159 I would have loved to see off Harrison Ford be 1558 01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,639 like what happened to you? I'm not gonna let happen 1559 01:05:20,679 --> 01:05:22,480 to him like even though again later on we talked 1560 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,320 about the issues with some of his turn but I 1561 01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:26,920 just wanted because Ford and carl were so good. I 1562 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,400 would love to see them in a scene together doing 1563 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,679 like this great old man like Grumpy to George Charlie. 1564 01:05:31,679 --> 01:05:33,280 Speaker 4: You could make some shots each other the past war. 1565 01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:34,599 So I wish that happened. 1566 01:05:34,599 --> 01:05:38,199 Speaker 2: But yeah, my last last point on you know this 1567 01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,599 happens a lot. And once again going back to like 1568 01:05:40,639 --> 01:05:42,639 a mind control thing is like when you have a 1569 01:05:42,719 --> 01:05:44,639 character who like spends the whole movie mind controlled, and 1570 01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:47,480 it's like, yeah, okay, like we're not really getting to 1571 01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,119 see like that actual character. So I like that he 1572 01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,920 got mine controlled, but it was for like literally thirty seconds, 1573 01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:54,119 and then we did. We got to see like the 1574 01:05:54,159 --> 01:05:56,199 aftermath that before Math movie. We mostly got to spend 1575 01:05:56,199 --> 01:05:58,400 the time with him as an actual character, and then 1576 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,119 just like the tiny little bit of of mind controlledness 1577 01:06:01,159 --> 01:06:02,800 so we don't have to It's not like Bucky, who 1578 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,519 just you know, spends like a ton of these movies. 1579 01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:06,559 Sometimes mind controls don't really get to see the character. 1580 01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,199 It's more just kind of the antagonist factor. But I 1581 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,039 think they I got the balance there right with that character. 1582 01:06:12,039 --> 01:06:13,559 That was kind of like everyone like they get my control, 1583 01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:16,400 like a scene and either they would kill themselves like 1584 01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,760 that one security guard, or they're just like back to 1585 01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,079 normal seemingly. 1586 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,960 Speaker 5: Not those fucking f eighteen pilots though, I swear they're 1587 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,280 like still mine controlled. That was a long time. They're 1588 01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,400 like they're doing barrel rolls, They're they're swooping. Yeah, they're 1589 01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,639 doing straight runs like that song is just on read 1590 01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:36,440 in the calv of Yeah, the fighter playing there, which 1591 01:06:36,519 --> 01:06:36,920 was so fun. 1592 01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:39,719 Speaker 4: When Sam's like he flies up to the Japanese. 1593 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,639 Speaker 1: Fighters right and he's like they pulled back, like like 1594 01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,599 stop fighting, and you just see the American pilots coming 1595 01:06:45,639 --> 01:06:47,880 at them shooting missiles. It's like what are what is 1596 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,760 the Japanese pilots supposed to do? 1597 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,199 Speaker 4: Like he's like, yeah, stop it, like stop the fighting, 1598 01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,400 and it's like no, they gotta they gotta fight back. 1599 01:06:55,559 --> 01:06:58,239 Speaker 1: Like it was such a just like a funny lame 1600 01:06:58,360 --> 01:06:58,800 moment to me. 1601 01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,639 Speaker 5: You're like focus on like this enemy fighter trying to 1602 01:07:02,719 --> 01:07:04,679 kill you, and then you just have this fucking flying 1603 01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,719 man that's like somehow speaking Japanese to you, like through 1604 01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,880 your your headphones right now, Like it just it was 1605 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,920 a weird sequence there. But uh, getting back to mister 1606 01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:18,960 Isaiah Bradley, Yeah, I know, I think he was stellar. 1607 01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:24,760 I think his story was so just impactful. Like hearing 1608 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,480 that from Falcon Winter sold Like I had no idea 1609 01:07:26,519 --> 01:07:28,639 who that character was before then, and then after hearing that, 1610 01:07:28,679 --> 01:07:30,559 I'm like, holy fuck, Like this is such a crazy 1611 01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:33,800 history of just the super Soldiers, and I thought it 1612 01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,159 was just such a phenomenal like way to tell that 1613 01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,920 story through Falcon especially just like you know, being like 1614 01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:43,840 the the the first like Captain America that was hidden 1615 01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,440 from the government because he was black and all these 1616 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,800 other reasons, and then here you have Sam Wilson be 1617 01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,199 like the new black Captain America. And then they just 1618 01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:52,159 like bonded throughout that show. So I was like really 1619 01:07:52,199 --> 01:07:54,239 happy to have him in here. I like that they're 1620 01:07:54,239 --> 01:07:56,199 actually like really close, Like it seems like he's just 1621 01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,639 always checking in with him, and you know, like that 1622 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,000 is the original Captain America. He doesn't have Steve Rogers, 1623 01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:03,400 so it's kind of like his resource to like help 1624 01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,760 I don't know, just training, what like like all all 1625 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,719 these factors, all these things that he probably would have 1626 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,480 done with Steve, like he has Isaiah for that. So 1627 01:08:10,519 --> 01:08:13,400 I think it's just such a nice special bond and 1628 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,479 it doesn't feel like it doesn't feel out of out 1629 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,960 of the realm of possibility for him to like take 1630 01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:21,880 Isaiah to the White House because it because it's it's 1631 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:23,960 not like he's just pulling him out of hiding and 1632 01:08:24,039 --> 01:08:27,239 like putting him in the a potential threat area. It's 1633 01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:28,960 like this is what he deserves, Like this is like 1634 01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:31,399 he's been in or I can't even I think it 1635 01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,199 was like twenty or thirty years he was in jail 1636 01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:34,640 and here he is in like the White House. Like 1637 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,439 it's just such an important, like full circle moment for 1638 01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,000 that character. And then obviously, like ten minutes later it's 1639 01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:43,239 a completely like just worst case scenario where he is 1640 01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:46,319 the one with a gun. I can't remember was it 1641 01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:47,880 his gun or he just he just got it from 1642 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,960 someone like it did Okay, yeah it was. It was 1643 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,960 a fast sequence, But I did love that suite like that. 1644 01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:56,800 I think that moment for me was like Okay, I'm 1645 01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,680 like itching in my seat, like I'm like, hey, I'm 1646 01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,039 engaged now, like this this is totally different than what 1647 01:09:01,119 --> 01:09:03,960 I was maybe expecting just because it had been pretty 1648 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:08,119 safe before that, like just the Three Amigos, like you know, 1649 01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:11,920 playing Capture the Flag, uh not Capture the play football essentially, 1650 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,880 you know, in the training gym, he's got his flags 1651 01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,560 that he's pulling off of him, and it's just like, 1652 01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,279 I don't know, lighthearted up until that point, but then 1653 01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:20,880 it's like, holy shit, Isaiah Bradley's now like enemy Numero uno. 1654 01:09:21,039 --> 01:09:24,479 And just the sequence when he's just like basically almost 1655 01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,520 in tears, like I can't go back like I was 1656 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,079 in jail for all that time, Like he's just getting 1657 01:09:29,119 --> 01:09:30,920 taken back into that hell hole that he was in, 1658 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,359 not like he's going into solitary, like all of these 1659 01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,720 extreme things. I think it was very effective in what 1660 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,159 they're doing with that character here, and I was definitely 1661 01:09:40,199 --> 01:09:43,720 bummed that he didn't get any sequences with mister Thunderbolt 1662 01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,960 Ross here, and it also like for me, I just 1663 01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:50,640 felt like it was a big, a big point of 1664 01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:54,960 emphasis in this movie that like, Okay, Ross made mistakes 1665 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:59,279 and he's trying to be better now, he completely like 1666 01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:03,920 for his own gain, like fucked over Sam Wise. What's 1667 01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:11,039 his name, yes, Stern, not Sam Wise. Stern Samuel Stern. Yeah, 1668 01:10:11,159 --> 01:10:13,800 like basically just kept him like like it's just like 1669 01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,359 the most extreme, basically type of torture where he's just 1670 01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,439 like fucking him up permanently for life just to stay 1671 01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,880 it like that is that's like crimes against humanity like 1672 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,159 that that is a serious, serious offense, and it's just 1673 01:10:26,279 --> 01:10:28,439 kind of like glossed over, like it's not really that 1674 01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,119 important of like a consequence for I guess he's in 1675 01:10:31,119 --> 01:10:32,239 the raft at the end of the at the end 1676 01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:34,159 of the day, but it's mostly for me because he 1677 01:10:34,359 --> 01:10:37,279 tore up the whole fucking White House, the like all 1678 01:10:37,319 --> 01:10:40,000 these like important landmarks, like that's probably more so why 1679 01:10:40,039 --> 01:10:43,199 he's there versus fucking over sam Wise Stern. He's here, 1680 01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,560 but uh, anyways, so so he did that to him, 1681 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,000 But then he also did something very similar to Isaiah 1682 01:10:49,039 --> 01:10:52,319 here where he knew that Isaiah wasn't guilty and he 1683 01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,199 just fucking kept him there. And it's like, like, I thought, 1684 01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:56,479 he's supposed to be better here, and I know we 1685 01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,359 kind of already talked about that earlier, but it's just 1686 01:10:58,399 --> 01:11:00,560 like doubling down on that where it just seem like 1687 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,039 two instances of something very similar and then at the 1688 01:11:03,119 --> 01:11:05,239 end when he's in the raft, he's like, oh, did 1689 01:11:05,319 --> 01:11:07,279 Isaiah get out? Okay, that's good. Yeah, no, I'm happy. 1690 01:11:07,319 --> 01:11:09,359 But it's like, you don't fucking care, Like you're only 1691 01:11:09,399 --> 01:11:10,880 thinking about that right now because you're in the raft 1692 01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:12,800 and all you have is time to think about these things. 1693 01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,159 So I spewed a lot there, you know, a lot 1694 01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:18,960 of jankie thoughts. But Isaiah Bradley's phenomenal. I'm definitely backing you. 1695 01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:19,840 In gold Geeks next. 1696 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:21,960 Speaker 1: Year, Isaiah was also in a jail where the other 1697 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,880 people were getting murdered that were a part of this, 1698 01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:26,119 and it's like, you got to get him out now, like, 1699 01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,319 like he can killed at any point is the time? 1700 01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,880 And you said something a while back that I want 1701 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,039 to touch on. I really love the scene that he's 1702 01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:36,199 telling Sam to leave him alone and leave the situation 1703 01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:39,840 alone for the benefit of Like he doesn't want Black 1704 01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,920 Captain America being pulled into this, Like it's so sad 1705 01:11:43,039 --> 01:11:44,880 that he knows Sam can maybe happen, but he's like, 1706 01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,119 I don't want you to get hurt. 1707 01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:46,319 Speaker 4: In this one. 1708 01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:49,880 Speaker 1: Really, like Bradley's the one getting just screwed over this 1709 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,239 kind of situation. But how selfless it he is, is 1710 01:11:52,279 --> 01:11:54,039 like just let me row in here and just try 1711 01:11:54,079 --> 01:11:56,560 and go out there and be cap you know, and 1712 01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,199 it's just it's a great moment, and I'm very happy. 1713 01:11:59,279 --> 01:12:01,800 I was very worried that character was getting killed off again. 1714 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,760 I don't know when we would see him. I have 1715 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,239 some hope that we will get a Cap five or 1716 01:12:06,279 --> 01:12:09,199 even a TV show or something. I don't know. I 1717 01:12:09,239 --> 01:12:11,520 would just again, I like these characters a law in here, 1718 01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:13,760 so I was at least happy he didn't die so 1719 01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,520 we could maybe see him again down the line or 1720 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,439 hell even like give us like old man Steve and 1721 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,600 Isaiah Bradley, like I want to see that happen, you know, 1722 01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,119 Like Isaiah's just a great character half and that to me, 1723 01:12:24,199 --> 01:12:25,800 will be ashamed of. This movie doesn't do well because 1724 01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,319 I think a lot of these characters we won't see 1725 01:12:29,159 --> 01:12:31,239 ever again, if not for a scene when they're like 1726 01:12:31,359 --> 01:12:35,159 reacting to like Downey coming from the skies and yeah, 1727 01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:37,239 like or no, like my comparison, like ned And and 1728 01:12:37,319 --> 01:12:39,239 Finny war he's on the bus and then you don't 1729 01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:40,960 see him again. Right, It's just like that where he'll 1730 01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,319 be like he'll be having lunch with Isaiah and then yeah, 1731 01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:45,039 he'll see down here like I gotta go to work. 1732 01:12:45,079 --> 01:12:47,079 He's like, yeah you do, and then he goes. 1733 01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:49,079 Speaker 5: You know, so with how much I love Isaiah, like 1734 01:12:49,079 --> 01:12:50,600 I do want to see him again, but like that 1735 01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:52,880 guy deserves his the nose looking out in the sunset, 1736 01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,479 like just fucking let him rest. I don't want him 1737 01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,119 to be brought back into another threat where he's getting brain. 1738 01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:58,800 Speaker 3: I guess the only. 1739 01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,800 Speaker 1: Hope is we have is because they set him up, 1740 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:02,520 but he wasn't in this mood they said they cut 1741 01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,359 him that. I don't think they film. Seems they just 1742 01:13:04,399 --> 01:13:07,359 come from the script. But remember his nephew becomes the Patriot. 1743 01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,960 So my hope is that that kid is in Champions 1744 01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,760 and that's where we get Bradley. I would love it 1745 01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,960 if Bradley is like one of the mentees towards all 1746 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,800 the young Avengers. Hell yeah, give us. 1747 01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,520 Speaker 2: Kicking punching bags at these kids and just knocking them out. 1748 01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:23,720 Speaker 5: Looking like an elder ring boss. 1749 01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,279 Speaker 2: Just love it did look like a war hammer. 1750 01:13:28,319 --> 01:13:30,279 Speaker 1: The ship scar in front of everybody. You know, it's 1751 01:13:30,279 --> 01:13:31,880 just your king, just nuts. 1752 01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:36,680 Speaker 2: Us Scar number one and Bruce isn't even. 1753 01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,239 Speaker 1: Sad about it. He's like, oh yeah, and he's he's 1754 01:13:39,239 --> 01:13:44,840 a ship kid. Anyways, alright, p Scar did anything on Bradley, 1755 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:45,359 you want to move on. 1756 01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,479 Speaker 3: I'm just happy that he got a little bit more 1757 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,920 uh screen time here after seeing him a captain sorry 1758 01:13:53,279 --> 01:13:57,199 winter soldier. Yeah, he just he just got done so 1759 01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:02,000 dirty and the fact that they were looking at evidence 1760 01:14:02,079 --> 01:14:05,079 that he was of course you were highlighted the fact 1761 01:14:05,119 --> 01:14:08,239 that he was being mind controlled and brainwashed. And then 1762 01:14:08,399 --> 01:14:12,680 his uh like Ross's had a security A former Widow 1763 01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,039 Redroom trainee is even saying like, oh, yeah, there he's 1764 01:14:16,359 --> 01:14:19,039 he's innocent developments yaha, yeada. But Ross is like, no, 1765 01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:21,199 just keep him in there. He just had it out 1766 01:14:21,239 --> 01:14:25,000 for for Bradley, which is just terrible. Until the very 1767 01:14:25,159 --> 01:14:27,439 end doesn't seem like Bradley had any help from Ross 1768 01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:27,920 to get out. 1769 01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,680 Speaker 1: Of Again, maybe given that scene where Ross is trying 1770 01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,960 to give an old branch and maybe Bradley just like 1771 01:14:34,039 --> 01:14:36,680 motherfuckers him and like maybe embarrasses him in front some people, right, 1772 01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:38,760 so might give Ross inmovation and be like, oh, I 1773 01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,680 can see like he knows he's in the wrong. But 1774 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,600 Ross is a little pissed off at him still or something, 1775 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,279 but no, there's there's nothing there. 1776 01:14:45,319 --> 01:14:47,159 Speaker 3: He plays a conversation over the speakers. 1777 01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:52,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Ruth, you brought up Ruth. 1778 01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:53,119 Speaker 2: Ruth. 1779 01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:58,479 Speaker 1: Sorry this character because I want to make a point 1780 01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:03,079 because whatever this character remind me where again the falcon 1781 01:15:03,079 --> 01:15:07,199 were soldier. They took Sharon Carter where flaky character and 1782 01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:09,079 all the infinny were right. But they go and make 1783 01:15:09,119 --> 01:15:13,039 her the power broker in retrospect, why do that? Just 1784 01:15:13,159 --> 01:15:15,560 have heard this character here and have another tie to 1785 01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,359 the old Captain America movies. It's like we're never seeing 1786 01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,560 Ruth ever again. I thought the actress was fine here, 1787 01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,640 they didn't get much work growth that I also didn't like. 1788 01:15:23,039 --> 01:15:25,159 Even with some performances, you go, oh, I see more. 1789 01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:26,760 I don't care if I ever seen this character again. 1790 01:15:27,079 --> 01:15:28,880 But that's where it's like, this would have been a 1791 01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,600 perfect Sharon Carter role of oh, she's the assistant to Ross. 1792 01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,239 Now we have some history there. You don't got to 1793 01:15:34,279 --> 01:15:36,960 do this backstory we've always seen on the MSU kicking 1794 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:38,880 ass and doing those flip of dos and everything like that. 1795 01:15:39,279 --> 01:15:40,760 So I just thought the whole time I was watching, 1796 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,399 it's like they wasted this whole thing, Like Sharon Carter's 1797 01:15:43,399 --> 01:15:46,039 a villain. Now she's the power broker, which again, are 1798 01:15:46,119 --> 01:15:48,159 we ever seeing that? Is that ever gonna tie in 1799 01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:50,359 on something? No, they'll like kill her off in an 1800 01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,720 episode of Falcon two, but like that's where it's just 1801 01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,760 like I was like, ah, I wish that was that, 1802 01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,560 because then you could have taken all that backstory that 1803 01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:00,560 even she had and you just be like, oh, we 1804 01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:01,199 know Sharon Carter. 1805 01:16:01,319 --> 01:16:03,760 Speaker 4: Okay, go like you know the dynamics go. Not Oh, 1806 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,439 she's a black widow. Now she's against Sam. 1807 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,520 Speaker 1: You to do that, like she can be against Sam 1808 01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,880 because you can say, hey, Ross got me my job back, 1809 01:16:10,199 --> 01:16:12,520 because I just watched one on her soldiers. She also 1810 01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,560 and she was on the run when she got back 1811 01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,319 from being blipped or something like that, like the government 1812 01:16:16,399 --> 01:16:21,119 like like Brander as a criminal, strip of everything, right, easy, dude, 1813 01:16:21,279 --> 01:16:23,079 Just yeah, Ross gave me all this back and now 1814 01:16:23,079 --> 01:16:24,319 I'm here. Uh yeah. 1815 01:16:24,399 --> 01:16:26,840 Speaker 4: I didn't care for the roof characters. Just thought it 1816 01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:28,359 was another unneeded character. 1817 01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,680 Speaker 2: So m she felt she felt weirdly like a plot 1818 01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:35,319 device character that could have fairly easily been written out 1819 01:16:35,359 --> 01:16:38,079 of the movie altogether. Like I feel like any other 1820 01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:41,239 any purpose that she had, like there was another character 1821 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,199 that could have done the job, Like we had the 1822 01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:46,960 other assistant lady who Sam was friends with. I don't 1823 01:16:47,079 --> 01:16:49,680 was she from Falcon Winter soldierly not right? 1824 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:50,119 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1825 01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:54,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, she wasn't quite the agent spy 1826 01:16:54,359 --> 01:16:58,000 fighting type. She was more like personal holds the clipboard 1827 01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:00,720 kind of type. But I feel like maybe they could 1828 01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,239 have put those some of those scenes over there and 1829 01:17:04,399 --> 01:17:06,359 we could have easily got around some of it. So 1830 01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:08,800 it was kind of odd, and like the black widow 1831 01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,439 tie thing, it just felt like, if you're gonna do that, 1832 01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:13,439 you gotta give her like some badass, cool fight scene 1833 01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,239 like she did paze a couple of people with like 1834 01:17:15,279 --> 01:17:18,479 a classic black widow rod, but like that was kind 1835 01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,520 of it. So it just felt like a weird addition. 1836 01:17:22,039 --> 01:17:26,079 H So, yeah, I think that was what was what 1837 01:17:26,199 --> 01:17:27,479 was even the point at the end of the day. 1838 01:17:28,279 --> 01:17:30,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, because when they get to the sub, Sam just 1839 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,279 flies there. It's not because he's like he walks right 1840 01:17:33,359 --> 01:17:35,840 in and Ross like what's he doing here? He has 1841 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,039 all these securities, all these jets, but Sam just still 1842 01:17:38,119 --> 01:17:40,560 flew right in, just landed good to go, you know. 1843 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:42,439 So she did not like she gave him clear and 1844 01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,680 so like here, Sam, here's a car to get through 1845 01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:45,039 the door. 1846 01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:46,479 Speaker 4: He just flew there. 1847 01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:50,079 Speaker 3: So and the comics apparently this character is actually a mutant. 1848 01:17:51,079 --> 01:17:53,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, they took that out. A lot of the things 1849 01:17:53,279 --> 01:17:55,159 that are conscious with the character they took out as well, 1850 01:17:55,279 --> 01:17:55,600 so I. 1851 01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,600 Speaker 2: Could still be a mutant. This is not deconfirmed. You'll 1852 01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,079 look at her blood. Sample was like leader does. 1853 01:18:01,039 --> 01:18:03,479 Speaker 1: Right, You'll never see his character ever again. I'll pizza 1854 01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:07,600 beout anybody on that. So what if she's Jubilee, Great, 1855 01:18:10,359 --> 01:18:11,520 I'm actually Jubilee. 1856 01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:18,359 Speaker 4: So yeah, good old anything else from Ruth ruthed out. 1857 01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about I guess we talked about Bucky. 1858 01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,119 We quickly we got that appearance there. 1859 01:18:24,399 --> 01:18:25,880 Speaker 4: It was fun. I like the speech. 1860 01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got that there, even though again we uh 1861 01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:33,520 kind of retread some Falcon Winsolder stuff. Like we talked 1862 01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,880 about we set up that he's running for Congress, I guess, 1863 01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,800 which makes sense because in Thunderbolts he's sitting in you know, 1864 01:18:39,039 --> 01:18:42,039 the the some sort of hearing or something. 1865 01:18:42,359 --> 01:18:44,000 Speaker 4: I don't really know if I need this with Bucky. 1866 01:18:44,199 --> 01:18:46,239 Speaker 1: I don't know if I buy it, Like Bucky's finally 1867 01:18:46,359 --> 01:18:51,000 be anything politically, like he's fine after Falcon Soldier, he's 1868 01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,600 finally a free man and he's gonna like run for 1869 01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,840 office or being like I buy him getting in the fight. 1870 01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:58,279 Speaker 4: I don't buy him sitting. 1871 01:18:58,079 --> 01:19:01,159 Speaker 1: In a bar rooms. But what I will say, what 1872 01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:03,960 I want to bring him up is when he was 1873 01:19:04,039 --> 01:19:07,119 on screen, we our theater was I don't know, forty 1874 01:19:07,159 --> 01:19:11,359 percent full, maybe that everybody shuffled in their seats, and 1875 01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,000 that told me. I was like, Okay, I don't know 1876 01:19:13,039 --> 01:19:15,840 what they're doing. I wouldn't have predicted this before, but 1877 01:19:16,039 --> 01:19:18,439 in that Avengers lineup, I think Bucky actually has to 1878 01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:20,439 be on the fucking team because you have so few 1879 01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,039 of those. I think right now, if people that get 1880 01:19:22,039 --> 01:19:24,600 people excited when he was in showed up or hold 1881 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,560 like people were excited to see him, and I'm I'm 1882 01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,279 more like Subastian stand now because I think he's just 1883 01:19:30,359 --> 01:19:32,640 evolved as actor. Had a great year last year. I'm 1884 01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,039 excited for Thunderbolts. But I was like, you need I 1885 01:19:35,079 --> 01:19:37,000 think you need him now. I think that's another cast 1886 01:19:37,039 --> 01:19:38,840 I want to do is who should be the Avengers now? 1887 01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,079 When it's like before it's like, oh, might be sure 1888 01:19:41,159 --> 01:19:43,239 he and Captain Marvel. It's like, I don't know if 1889 01:19:43,279 --> 01:19:45,439 you can have Captain mar like after that movie Bomb, Like, 1890 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,880 but I think you could have Bucky. So but that 1891 01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:49,920 was my point of like I just people were surprisedly, 1892 01:19:50,079 --> 01:19:53,399 very hyped and yeah, good to see him, and point still. 1893 01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,800 Speaker 5: Is definitely yeah, congratulations. It's definitely like a repeat scene, 1894 01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,319 like we've been here before. Just the dialogue the two, 1895 01:20:00,399 --> 01:20:05,159 especially what they're covering still gotta be, if not one 1896 01:20:05,399 --> 01:20:07,800 my second favorite scene of the entire movie, Like, like 1897 01:20:08,039 --> 01:20:10,079 it was just it was exciting to see him there. 1898 01:20:10,199 --> 01:20:12,560 I think also just when he walks to the room, 1899 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,680 you know, private room, nobody answers, and then of course 1900 01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,960 I'm just like, who the fuck could it be? And 1901 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,199 then I'm just getting all excited. It's just like before 1902 01:20:19,319 --> 01:20:21,000 like the reveal happens, and then when I saw him, 1903 01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:22,840 I just I don't know, it was just like a 1904 01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,479 nice friendly face and I'm just thinking about Falcon Winter 1905 01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,359 Soldier and just the way that they bonded there and 1906 01:20:28,199 --> 01:20:30,359 Sam just really being you know, he's got he's got 1907 01:20:30,359 --> 01:20:32,960 a little Falcon. But like this is kind of more 1908 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,119 of a solo t I guess it's not really a 1909 01:20:35,159 --> 01:20:36,840 solo trip. It feels like a solo trip just because 1910 01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,199 there has been like a big other Avenger type character 1911 01:20:39,279 --> 01:20:41,840 with him, so to have Bucky there, Yeah, I got 1912 01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:43,880 a little. I got a little emotional, and I'm just 1913 01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,279 talking about Steve too, and then of course I'm thinking 1914 01:20:46,279 --> 01:20:48,920 about Steve and endgame, and of course I'm getting all emotional. 1915 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,720 So I think that was a really really good scene, 1916 01:20:52,199 --> 01:20:54,880 even though I basically had that whole dialogue already, so 1917 01:20:55,159 --> 01:20:59,000 so it was definitely effective for me, agreed. 1918 01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,920 Speaker 1: Surprisingly, he didn't have any pictures of Steve in his office, 1919 01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:05,760 which was odd to me. He had pictures of him 1920 01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,680 with Bucky, with his sister. 1921 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:08,479 Speaker 5: And the next to his bed. 1922 01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:12,319 Speaker 1: But yeah, which I like, I Oh, sorry, tell you 1923 01:21:12,359 --> 01:21:14,279 got anything I Bucky seen before I take us someone else. 1924 01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,600 Speaker 3: It's just it caught me off guard, even though I 1925 01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,520 feel like I should have expected it or it was 1926 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,319 some shape or form, even a phone call. But uh, yeah, no, 1927 01:21:22,399 --> 01:21:23,680 I think it was. It was cool to see him 1928 01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,239 and get that again. My revelation that he's he's running 1929 01:21:26,279 --> 01:21:33,239 for office congressman. Just crazy, crazy unitedything can happen. I 1930 01:21:33,359 --> 01:21:36,520 was joking with Travis' theater, you know, American politics, you know, and. 1931 01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:40,520 Speaker 5: Is he Democrats the Republican He will never say that. 1932 01:21:42,119 --> 01:21:45,279 Speaker 1: They will never ever say any of those two words 1933 01:21:45,319 --> 01:21:47,680 that you just said in the MC the same way 1934 01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,800 like Harrison Ford didn't even have a vice president of 1935 01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:50,399 this movie. 1936 01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,840 Speaker 4: Who Now we didn't meet them, you. 1937 01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:55,840 Speaker 2: Know, Ruth. Maybe Ruth gets the upgrade. 1938 01:21:56,399 --> 01:21:58,640 Speaker 1: I will see her again. She's the president former black 1939 01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,560 widow is the president. The man killed GfK. He's a 1940 01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:03,039 congressman and she's. 1941 01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,159 Speaker 5: Not even an American person, right, Like they say that 1942 01:22:05,239 --> 01:22:06,159 she cares Israel? 1943 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:07,319 Speaker 4: Who cares? 1944 01:22:07,359 --> 01:22:09,159 Speaker 1: Now in the MC like we'll let anybody run. 1945 01:22:09,239 --> 01:22:11,840 Speaker 4: But at the current, yeah, that's true. 1946 01:22:12,239 --> 01:22:14,760 Speaker 1: My question for when we're talking about the office there 1947 01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:18,000 and I can't remember we spewed off somewhere else some 1948 01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:20,880 circling back to it about Sam and Avengers and cap 1949 01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:24,199 and everything. I really don't know how he's operating because 1950 01:22:24,279 --> 01:22:27,119 like Steve Rogers was with Shield and then when Shield 1951 01:22:27,159 --> 01:22:30,000 fill part, Tony was giving them money, right and if 1952 01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:33,159 our soldier they established that like Sam does not have money, 1953 01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:34,760 he's been gone for five years. 1954 01:22:35,159 --> 01:22:36,439 Speaker 2: Some of the Avengers are just poor. 1955 01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:38,079 Speaker 1: He can't get. 1956 01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,199 Speaker 4: Alone from the bank. That's a storyline, the bank will 1957 01:22:40,199 --> 01:22:42,640 give him alone, so he when we get up here, 1958 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,880 he has a whole office. He has a glass window, 1959 01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:46,279 that has. 1960 01:22:46,199 --> 01:22:48,720 Speaker 5: A nice place. Man, that's a nice place. 1961 01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:52,000 Speaker 1: They establish he's not with the American government yet thought 1962 01:22:52,399 --> 01:22:54,039 Ross is trying to get that going again. So he's 1963 01:22:54,079 --> 01:22:57,520 not with them. Tony's dead and they statis soldier. He 1964 01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,720 has no money, so I have no idea where he's 1965 01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:01,880 getting these suits from. I guess we'll con it, right, 1966 01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,119 But I have no idea where he's getting like travel 1967 01:23:04,199 --> 01:23:06,239 tickets like anything. So it's just a funny one. When 1968 01:23:06,279 --> 01:23:09,119 I saw his base here, yeah, I guess so, right, 1969 01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:12,960 he's charging like, oh yeah Sidewinder kill, Yeah, only ten 1970 01:23:13,039 --> 01:23:13,720 million dollars for. 1971 01:23:14,359 --> 01:23:18,920 Speaker 5: Catch Meywauquin's like inherited inheritance. Maybe he's like superloaded, like Sunspot, 1972 01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:19,199 you know. 1973 01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,079 Speaker 4: Give to me, give to me walking. But yeah, just 1974 01:23:23,359 --> 01:23:24,039 a funny moment. 1975 01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:25,760 Speaker 5: But you want to be my falcon? 1976 01:23:28,039 --> 01:23:32,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah. Sidewinder who had a few appearances in 1977 01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:34,760 this movie. He was at the beginning of the movie 1978 01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,840 who had he was stealing the Adamantian and in the 1979 01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:42,399 middle of the movie he just randomly attacks Sam in 1980 01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:43,960 the middle of the road gets arrest. 1981 01:23:44,039 --> 01:23:46,319 Speaker 3: Sam should have been killed dead on right there. 1982 01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:48,880 Speaker 5: He was fully loaded. Did you see what he happened 1983 01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:54,119 to that trench coat? He had like infinite mags grenades away. 1984 01:23:54,279 --> 01:23:56,600 Speaker 2: Forties waiting to confirm the kill. 1985 01:23:57,039 --> 01:24:00,560 Speaker 4: He's ready to drop on. He got a lot of 1986 01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:01,279 battle passes. 1987 01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,039 Speaker 1: And then yeah, him and Sam fight in a scrap 1988 01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:06,319 yard where there was a second. Sam hits him in 1989 01:24:06,399 --> 01:24:08,600 the chest with a knife. I thought he was dead 1990 01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:10,840 and I was gonna laugh so much on this view 1991 01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:12,800 if John Carlo has been propping himself up and they 1992 01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:14,560 just killed him for his appearance, but. 1993 01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:15,279 Speaker 4: No, he's not. 1994 01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,079 Speaker 2: Sorry, quick question, what what the hell happened? Sam like 1995 01:24:19,359 --> 01:24:22,479 was pouring liquid on like a car battery or something 1996 01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:23,800 like that great smoke so. 1997 01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:24,520 Speaker 1: He could be seen. 1998 01:24:25,359 --> 01:24:27,079 Speaker 2: There was like no smoke on I. 1999 01:24:28,279 --> 01:24:30,600 Speaker 1: Think there was, but it was like all you could 2000 01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:32,359 see everything. That's what he was trying to do so 2001 01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:33,800 he could sneak up on sidewine. 2002 01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:35,720 Speaker 4: He was home alone, give him. 2003 01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:36,039 Speaker 1: The back one. 2004 01:24:36,079 --> 01:24:37,920 Speaker 5: I thought it was like a toxic gas. I'm like, 2005 01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,079 that can't be good, and he's like inhaling it and 2006 01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:42,199 it just does the fucking drop. 2007 01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:47,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then later on randomly which I guess I missed, 2008 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,000 but he's starting at the bearded guy. He goes, this 2009 01:24:50,079 --> 01:24:52,199 guy has little armies out of a base and they're 2010 01:24:52,199 --> 01:24:54,039 talking about like, man, we really need some leader, some 2011 01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:55,039 informational leader. 2012 01:24:55,319 --> 01:24:57,960 Speaker 4: So what does Sam do? Walk like three feet and 2013 01:24:58,159 --> 01:24:59,039 Sidewark was just there. 2014 01:24:59,119 --> 01:24:59,439 Speaker 1: Chain up. 2015 01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:00,800 Speaker 4: He's like, I hear you want to know what the 2016 01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:04,399 leader and it's just like I didn't even know Sidewinder 2017 01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:04,880 was here. 2018 01:25:05,359 --> 01:25:07,880 Speaker 1: And it's very convenient that just like the one guy 2019 01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:09,920 that has all the answers, this just happens to be. 2020 01:25:10,079 --> 01:25:14,880 Speaker 2: And also his negotiation skills are awful. It's like, first 2021 01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:16,520 I need a deal. He's like, you're not gonna get 2022 01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,239 that deal. He's like, what about this deal? He's like, 2023 01:25:18,319 --> 01:25:20,319 how do you tell me the information? First gets all 2024 01:25:20,359 --> 01:25:22,520 the information, that just fucking walks off. 2025 01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:26,800 Speaker 5: Like he like hardballs him too. He's like, I'll speak 2026 01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,359 if I get full immunity. I just like, first I'll 2027 01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:31,479 laugh and I'm like, holy fuck, that's a wild ass, 2028 01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,960 and then gettles for like I'm gonna go to prison, 2029 01:25:34,039 --> 01:25:36,279 but I want like my own cell. It's like, okay, 2030 01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:38,479 we'll see you already gave me the information, so I'm 2031 01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,439 no incentive to actually give you what you asked for. 2032 01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:45,199 Speaker 1: But yeah, all his scenes, it's always John Carlo like 2033 01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,520 very secluded with somebody else, like you're very added on. 2034 01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:50,960 I guess I thought that might help this movie. I 2035 01:25:51,079 --> 01:25:53,279 love John Carlow. The problem is one, I don't think 2036 01:25:53,279 --> 01:25:55,279 he's that big enough to start and two is a 2037 01:25:55,359 --> 01:25:58,239 character we've seen many times before, so it just it 2038 01:25:58,279 --> 01:26:01,520 didn't do. I just kind of laughed anytime he was 2039 01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,119 on screen. I thought Juck car was bringing it. But 2040 01:26:03,119 --> 01:26:03,399 I don't know. 2041 01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:06,159 Speaker 4: I just I think I just laughed this whole situation 2042 01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:07,960 and hadilla and your singer head. 2043 01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,359 Speaker 1: No, he wasn't bringing it. You didn't like what John 2044 01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:10,039 what was he bringing? 2045 01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,880 Speaker 2: Name one thing? He was juice, the sauce, the meat, 2046 01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:14,319 none of it. 2047 01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:17,560 Speaker 1: He had quite a few like smirks when stuff was 2048 01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:19,680 going on, and he had like a crazy look in 2049 01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,239 his eye that I enjoyed. So I'm not saying I 2050 01:26:23,279 --> 01:26:24,640 need to see him though, again, Like if they know, 2051 01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,119 if we never see side one or again, I'm not 2052 01:26:27,239 --> 01:26:28,159 gonna cry about it. 2053 01:26:28,359 --> 01:26:31,239 Speaker 5: So okay, you'll see him again. 2054 01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:34,000 Speaker 2: Well, what if that was the thing at the end 2055 01:26:34,039 --> 01:26:36,920 of the movie, not Captain America will be back, but Sidewonder, 2056 01:26:38,079 --> 01:26:38,520 I can't wait. 2057 01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:39,880 Speaker 1: He h. 2058 01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:41,680 Speaker 3: He completely caught me off guard. I did not know 2059 01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,840 what to expect from this character, but him just doing 2060 01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:47,000 his crazy ship at the church at the start and 2061 01:26:47,239 --> 01:26:49,279 just pissed off about how the buyer did the show. 2062 01:26:49,279 --> 01:26:51,439 I'm gonna find who wasted my time and kill him. 2063 01:26:53,279 --> 01:26:54,239 Speaker 5: But he's totally much. 2064 01:26:55,119 --> 01:26:57,000 Speaker 4: Why would you person? 2065 01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,479 Speaker 1: The leaders like, oh, sorry, I screwed you up on 2066 01:26:59,560 --> 01:26:59,880 the deal. 2067 01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:01,079 Speaker 4: Here's a new deal. 2068 01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:03,640 Speaker 1: You know. It's like, I guess it's I guess if 2069 01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,119 you get up for a date and the date person's like, oh, 2070 01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:08,039 but we'll go on a date for sure this time. 2071 01:27:08,079 --> 01:27:10,039 You just take them for your word. I guess. I 2072 01:27:10,079 --> 01:27:13,560 don't know you are I guess. 2073 01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:20,199 Speaker 4: So depends up pictures again. Sam's opening up his phone 2074 01:27:20,279 --> 01:27:22,319 message from Sidewinder. What crazy. 2075 01:27:23,119 --> 01:27:23,800 Speaker 5: I'll forget your bud. 2076 01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,520 Speaker 2: That's what the flashing on the screen was. Bradley was 2077 01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:29,159 seeing some crazy pictures. 2078 01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,720 Speaker 5: He tries to kill the president. Killed the president. 2079 01:27:34,359 --> 01:27:39,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he he could have been written a little 2080 01:27:39,079 --> 01:27:42,039 bit better with motivations and whatnot, but yeah, all he 2081 01:27:42,319 --> 01:27:47,920 was just a crazy uh gun for hire uh And 2082 01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,520 he honestly really could have I'm surprised he didn't kill 2083 01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:56,600 Anthony Mackie, Sam Falcon just like holy Ship, because he 2084 01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,439 was just you know, like you said, packing heavy, dude. 2085 01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,479 Speaker 5: It was a good bush. It was a good fucking 2086 01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:02,800 on it. It was a jump scare. 2087 01:28:04,279 --> 01:28:08,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, he wasn't successful though, to me, that's a good. 2088 01:28:08,039 --> 01:28:11,279 Speaker 5: Ambush, you know, I mean, it's fucking Captain America, you know, 2089 01:28:11,319 --> 01:28:14,560 if he's going after I think I think my prom was. 2090 01:28:15,079 --> 01:28:16,920 Speaker 2: But Isaiah Bradley was saying, it's all but who gets 2091 01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:17,520 the last punch? 2092 01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:18,000 Speaker 1: Right? He did? 2093 01:28:18,079 --> 01:28:20,479 Speaker 2: He got the first punch, but not the last punch. 2094 01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:23,399 Speaker 1: He throws one grenade and the second that grenade blows up, 2095 01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,199 he calls the leader like kill confirmed, I'll have confirmations. 2096 01:28:26,319 --> 01:28:29,520 Speaker 5: It's like, what like kill confirmed, about to confirm? 2097 01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,119 Speaker 3: Even I was convinced that Sam was dead though, I mean. 2098 01:28:32,319 --> 01:28:34,399 Speaker 4: It's just Sam And yeah, what do you think is 2099 01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,279 gonna have little Falcon is gonna lead the movie? 2100 01:28:37,119 --> 01:28:37,279 Speaker 1: Yeah? 2101 01:28:37,319 --> 01:28:40,479 Speaker 2: A little falcon. Yeah, Ruth comes in stars the movie. 2102 01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:42,720 Speaker 3: I was just blown away because he hipped like and 2103 01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,640 we have to remember Sam still has a broken rib 2104 01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:49,479 here from his fight, so he's still injured. And then 2105 01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:54,039 all we see is just uh Sidewinder just pumping like 2106 01:28:54,319 --> 01:28:58,520 knives and daggers throwing knives. Oh yeah, and like he's 2107 01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,640 still just fighting like he doesn't have super healings. So 2108 01:29:02,359 --> 01:29:03,880 it's that was a little bit. 2109 01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:07,319 Speaker 1: They weren't deep stabs though, you know the. 2110 01:29:07,399 --> 01:29:10,279 Speaker 3: One down below felt like a very deep stab. 2111 01:29:10,119 --> 01:29:13,560 Speaker 1: Then had I think he still had his hand on 2112 01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,199 Sidewater in his hand, so he didn't get the full impact, 2113 01:29:16,199 --> 01:29:16,960 which I also did. 2114 01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:19,319 Speaker 5: An inch is a lot, and I feel like it 2115 01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:21,439 was like almost two inches in him, like. 2116 01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:24,479 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go. 2117 01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:27,960 Speaker 5: He shook us full penned whish. 2118 01:29:28,039 --> 01:29:30,439 Speaker 1: That's what I appreciated in the Hulk fight that he 2119 01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:32,399 didn't take a lot of damage. He was just using 2120 01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:34,640 lots of gadgets and tech and he was like constantly 2121 01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,039 on the move. Because I know so many people like, 2122 01:29:37,079 --> 01:29:39,119 oh my god, how does this human fight the Red Hulk. 2123 01:29:39,239 --> 01:29:40,920 Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know. This Dude's fought. 2124 01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,600 Speaker 1: Fucking aliens like we're in a comic book world. He 2125 01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:46,840 has Wakanda tech now like, and I was fine because 2126 01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:48,960 there's no point where he was like going toe to 2127 01:29:49,039 --> 01:29:50,439 toe with the Hulk and fisticos. 2128 01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:53,199 Speaker 5: He's never like catching his hands. You know, like he 2129 01:29:53,319 --> 01:29:54,319 was always moving. 2130 01:29:54,279 --> 01:29:57,399 Speaker 1: Throwing stuff, like he felt like a projectile fighter. You 2131 01:29:57,399 --> 01:29:59,760 would be like supporting, like I'm leg what's on the back, 2132 01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:02,359 like shooting shit? Like I liked the fight with Red 2133 01:30:02,399 --> 01:30:04,039 Hulk and how he did it, and like we said 2134 01:30:04,039 --> 01:30:06,800 at the beginning, I like just how these multiple landmarks 2135 01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:10,039 are just getting destroyed and that white house just got demolished. 2136 01:30:10,399 --> 01:30:14,920 Speaker 5: His broken Now definitely he's not like a super super 2137 01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:19,199 serumed character, but like still, I loved all the sequences 2138 01:30:19,239 --> 01:30:22,239 of him using his gadgets. I'm like, man, like, I 2139 01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:24,520 want to play this guy an Ultimate Alliance or something like. 2140 01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:26,600 I like what they're showing off. It was a sweet 2141 01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,439 move set and the Condon addition was just so fantastic. 2142 01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,479 I I since Black Panther, like I thought it was 2143 01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:34,880 just such a cool tech where it just absorbs the 2144 01:30:35,039 --> 01:30:36,279 energy and then shoots it back. 2145 01:30:37,079 --> 01:30:37,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. 2146 01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:39,159 Speaker 5: It was a great way to handle. 2147 01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:40,840 Speaker 4: The whole punches it the first time. 2148 01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:42,840 Speaker 1: The kind of energy is like bounced you off his wings, 2149 01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,279 Like okay, cool, that's that's a good way to establish 2150 01:30:45,359 --> 01:30:46,960 like how powerful Red Hulk get. 2151 01:30:47,079 --> 01:30:49,359 Speaker 5: Totally yeah, it's like what can beat the Red Hulk well, 2152 01:30:49,399 --> 01:30:51,479 his own energy right, so that that kind of makes 2153 01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:54,039 sense there, and just to concentrate in like a knife 2154 01:30:54,079 --> 01:30:55,680 point to just kind of cut through his skin. 2155 01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,760 Speaker 4: There, Oh those back cuts that kept showing, Oh. 2156 01:30:58,760 --> 01:30:59,520 Speaker 5: Yeah it was. 2157 01:31:00,199 --> 01:31:03,560 Speaker 2: There was some like bloody robots were like shooting the 2158 01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:08,600 wounds specifically targeted strike going onizing it just just first day. 2159 01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:12,000 Speaker 1: He's to be a belly sleeper in the raft. He 2160 01:31:12,039 --> 01:31:13,880 an't layd my back for a couple of years now, 2161 01:31:14,079 --> 01:31:14,279 you know. 2162 01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:17,479 Speaker 5: You know when he comes to him, he's like fetal position. 2163 01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:17,880 Speaker 1: He is. 2164 01:31:18,119 --> 01:31:20,560 Speaker 4: He wasn't on his back, so I, lily, he can't 2165 01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:22,319 sleep on his back. Literally, I'm telling you. 2166 01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,800 Speaker 2: It's that was heart met He's this guy's dead in 2167 01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:27,000 three to five days. 2168 01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,680 Speaker 5: His heart's not pumping to you know, get the blood out. Anyways, 2169 01:31:31,279 --> 01:31:33,119 He's fine with with Ross. 2170 01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:36,319 Speaker 3: When he turned like no one really asked questions like 2171 01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,800 his his government like they're supposed to protect him. They 2172 01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,600 just send it in the helicopter drones. Everyone was opening fire. 2173 01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,760 They had swatting the roof. They were gunning him down 2174 01:31:45,039 --> 01:31:46,439 like they were ready to just. 2175 01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,760 Speaker 2: I wouldn't you know what Hulk does though, I would run, 2176 01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:51,880 I would not take up my rinky dank pistol. 2177 01:31:52,119 --> 01:31:54,760 Speaker 5: But like your job is a guy with the gun 2178 01:31:55,079 --> 01:31:59,000 and you're supposed to save civilians, was to save the president, 2179 01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:03,199 like these people put president over civilians. I would say, 2180 01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:06,239 so the killing the monster that I've seen what the 2181 01:32:06,319 --> 01:32:06,960 Hulks can do. 2182 01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,119 Speaker 3: But the only time Hulk in I mean, if we 2183 01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:12,960 put an incredible Hulk aside, if we just look into 2184 01:32:13,399 --> 01:32:16,199 all these other films, the only time Hulk went rogue 2185 01:32:16,399 --> 01:32:18,960 was in Age of Ultron. Other than that, like, no 2186 01:32:19,039 --> 01:32:21,800 one's ever turning on the Hulk or doing anything like 2187 01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:22,720 he's always no. 2188 01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:25,199 Speaker 1: I think an incredible Hulk, the public would have thought 2189 01:32:25,199 --> 01:32:26,880 he was rogue too, right, because he was just beating 2190 01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:29,600 up army people, remember like Tim Roff and everything. So 2191 01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:31,239 I bet the public would have looked at as as 2192 01:32:31,279 --> 01:32:34,760 a monster destroying people like innocent people. 2193 01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:38,960 Speaker 5: I think also like the fact he threw the fucking 2194 01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:41,960 pedestal thing at like civilians, right, Like. 2195 01:32:42,039 --> 01:32:45,600 Speaker 3: That's yeah, some rude questions. 2196 01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:49,000 Speaker 1: You know, he technically did not kill a single person 2197 01:32:49,079 --> 01:32:51,000 the Red Hulk I was watching, he didn't kill anybody 2198 01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,479 because I'm pretty sure those helicopters were drone copters and. 2199 01:32:54,159 --> 01:32:56,479 Speaker 5: I don't know, man, there's probably some dude napping in 2200 01:32:56,520 --> 01:33:00,279 the woods when uh, when Sam's like leading him to 2201 01:33:00,279 --> 01:33:02,479 the woods and he just does his Hulk jump and 2202 01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:04,960 just lands on the fucking forest, and it just like 2203 01:33:05,159 --> 01:33:08,600 reverbs out. I'm like, at least a fucking deer got killed, 2204 01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:10,680 Like there's someone that's making out and then you just. 2205 01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:12,199 Speaker 1: Get landed on by a Red Hulk. 2206 01:33:12,359 --> 01:33:15,399 Speaker 4: You know, Oh, finally, I've loved you for so long. 2207 01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,760 Speaker 1: I'm just saying on screen, technically, Red Holf did not 2208 01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:19,439 kill single soul, So I'll just let you know because 2209 01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:22,720 I was watching because every time they kept doing this 2210 01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:24,479 thing where they'd show a crowd of people, Red Hulk 2211 01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:26,159 would look and they's like back way and then another 2212 01:33:26,199 --> 01:33:28,239 crowd he looks. It's like, okay, they're not gonna have 2213 01:33:28,359 --> 01:33:31,000 him fuck up anybody because they want the happy ending, right, 2214 01:33:31,039 --> 01:33:33,399 because it would be a little messed up if he's like, 2215 01:33:34,119 --> 01:33:36,439 we just see dozens of blood people's blood on him, 2216 01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:38,439 and then at the end he's like, I really miss you, Betty. 2217 01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:40,600 Speaker 4: You know, I'm sorry about all that shit, and yeah, 2218 01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:41,840 he didn't kill anybody. 2219 01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:42,039 Speaker 3: So there you go. 2220 01:33:42,159 --> 01:33:43,640 Speaker 5: Can you imagine you're just sitting in the woods and 2221 01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:45,359 you just see this coming down flying at you. 2222 01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:49,119 Speaker 1: Which that bugged me talking about Red hul Cock when 2223 01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:52,159 he came back as ross the pants still fit. Are 2224 01:33:52,199 --> 01:33:55,520 you fucking kidding me? Are you killing standing there butt 2225 01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,279 ass naked? Yeah, and hard as a rock, But no, 2226 01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:02,479 like Bruce Benner at least goes and gets stretchy things. 2227 01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:06,039 Speaker 4: So like a dastune, he was just wearing a regular suit, 2228 01:34:06,399 --> 01:34:08,399 like to be the president and he has to. 2229 01:34:11,319 --> 01:34:14,399 Speaker 2: On the first butt cheeks and the MC first full frontal. 2230 01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:16,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, that would have couldn't imagine that. 2231 01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,640 Speaker 1: Like weeks before we get the ratings d R and 2232 01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:21,319 we're like, oh, they're really gonna go hard with this 2233 01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:24,399 Red Hulk stuff and everything, and it's just because it's naked. 2234 01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:28,239 Speaker 5: It's like a zoom in shot too, like like a 2235 01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:30,640 like something like that, like not even just trying to 2236 01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:31,039 hide it. 2237 01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:34,239 Speaker 4: Like you have you ever seen Walk Card from Doe 2238 01:34:34,319 --> 01:34:35,079 Cox Walk Card? 2239 01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:36,760 Speaker 2: No, it's been a minute. 2240 01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:38,920 Speaker 1: There's a moment where John c ries on the phone 2241 01:34:39,399 --> 01:34:41,439 and a dude walks up and it's just full cock 2242 01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:41,960 in his face. 2243 01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:43,119 Speaker 4: But like they don't even anoledge. 2244 01:34:43,119 --> 01:34:44,359 Speaker 1: He's just talking like yeah, no, we're just on the 2245 01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:46,319 road playing our music and the guy's there and he's 2246 01:34:46,359 --> 01:34:48,560 like itching himself, like that's exactly what it should have been. 2247 01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:51,880 But I know the pants still fit somehow, So yeah, 2248 01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:53,960 I wish we saw a bit more of the firepowers. 2249 01:34:54,039 --> 01:34:55,640 Speaker 4: We saw it around him, and I know he gets help. 2250 01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:58,159 Speaker 1: I wish we used a bit more than I don't 2251 01:34:58,199 --> 01:34:59,840 think he like creates fireballs and throws him, but it's 2252 01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:01,439 more like when he's punching. 2253 01:35:01,279 --> 01:35:04,439 Speaker 4: Kicking fire around him. So yeah, a little more spicy. 2254 01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:06,920 Speaker 5: I wanted to feel more different than what just the 2255 01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,399 Hulk was like. It just felt like a you know, 2256 01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,600 like a chroma change on on the regular green Hulk 2257 01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:15,960 to red, Like is red Hulks must be bigger as well? 2258 01:35:16,039 --> 01:35:18,439 I thought he was. It seemed pretty think. 2259 01:35:18,319 --> 01:35:20,439 Speaker 1: So okay, there could be, but that's not a thing 2260 01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:22,600 that I've ever heard, like, you know, like he's the 2261 01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:23,520 big one, you know. 2262 01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:29,680 Speaker 4: But it was nice to see an it was it 2263 01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:32,359 was nice to see an angry Hulk again because I 2264 01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:33,279 missed those days. 2265 01:35:33,359 --> 01:35:35,840 Speaker 5: So yeah, for sure look great too, you know, cgi 2266 01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,159 looked phenomenal. It was quite the contrast of going from 2267 01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:41,800 like this Jack six pack red Hulk and then it 2268 01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,920 just goes down to shriveled old man Harrison ford Man. 2269 01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,600 Speaker 2: The green screen looks so bad with cap though. In 2270 01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:50,359 that final dialogue sequence when he's when he's when the 2271 01:35:50,359 --> 01:35:52,720 sun's getting real low and he's talking him down, it 2272 01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:53,720 looked so bad. 2273 01:35:54,319 --> 01:35:58,600 Speaker 5: I want to ban all fucking bright CGI background scenes. 2274 01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:02,159 This bugs me so much. Especially MCU is so bad 2275 01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:04,239 for this. We have these moments and like that when 2276 01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:07,560 they're on the Hellic Hellic Carrier. I think when they're 2277 01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,199 in the air does look so bad. But like when 2278 01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:12,359 they're on the hell Carrier and they're looking up and 2279 01:36:13,239 --> 01:36:14,319 where the fuck's the image? 2280 01:36:15,279 --> 01:36:15,640 Speaker 1: Look at it? 2281 01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:18,279 Speaker 5: My son, I don't I don't know if we have 2282 01:36:18,359 --> 01:36:21,000 it anymore. But like it, it's the same thing from 2283 01:36:21,079 --> 01:36:23,920 fucking thor where it's just that bad and it looks 2284 01:36:24,079 --> 01:36:27,640 so just saturated, like it's just it bugs me so much. 2285 01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:30,840 It happened multiple times in this movie. I fucking hate 2286 01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:33,159 when movies have the daytime, like just do it more 2287 01:36:33,279 --> 01:36:35,439 dusky to kind of hide it. I don't know if 2288 01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:36,840 you can really work around it that way. 2289 01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:38,880 Speaker 1: Here's the problem though, with that cap see at the 2290 01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:40,840 end there, because if people thought about this with those 2291 01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:42,720 those lilies and everything like that, I can't get a 2292 01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:46,359 bigger image. But they shot that shit like practically, like 2293 01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:48,800 it's not those Flare stuff. That's not CGI. 2294 01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:49,399 Speaker 4: They weren't there. 2295 01:36:49,399 --> 01:36:51,600 Speaker 1: They built it step but stills not CGI. And the 2296 01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:54,840 fact that they color grade their shit and they like 2297 01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:56,960 that's the thing, is like it just looks fake too. 2298 01:36:57,239 --> 01:37:01,000 That's it's just these over gray and just like it's 2299 01:37:01,119 --> 01:37:03,439 just no life in some of these CAUs I don't know. 2300 01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:05,560 And thunderbolts to me, that chair looks very gray as 2301 01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:07,319 well too. I know the director joked about them be 2302 01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:10,119 like it's good gray, but I'm like, I'm just tired 2303 01:37:10,159 --> 01:37:13,319 of that's great. Yeah, I'm tired of gray. I'm tired 2304 01:37:13,359 --> 01:37:18,000 of colors that are just just weirdly not pink but pink. 2305 01:37:18,119 --> 01:37:19,319 But I digress. 2306 01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:25,239 Speaker 5: Uh, Little Falcon I didn't really speak too much about 2307 01:37:25,399 --> 01:37:28,119 like humor for me, didn't really hit for him, But 2308 01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:31,079 I did like the character dynamic. I like that he's 2309 01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:33,560 like a fanboy of Sam and he's like just getting 2310 01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:36,800 this this honor. I was also just confused of what 2311 01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:38,880 his like act like he's supposed to be a military man, 2312 01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:40,960 but he's just like fucked off from the whole military 2313 01:37:41,079 --> 01:37:43,920 to just be working with Sam even though he's like 2314 01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,039 doing a military mission at like the start of the like, 2315 01:37:47,399 --> 01:37:48,760 and it's not. It doesn't even seem like he's like 2316 01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:50,880 a captain that he can just like I'm just gonna 2317 01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:53,159 be fucked off, you know, go go work for U 2318 01:37:54,119 --> 01:37:57,279 with Sam here, it seems like he's like a lesser role, 2319 01:37:57,359 --> 01:37:59,000 Like he has his captain like talking to him, and 2320 01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:00,880 then he's like shit talking about to his boss because 2321 01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:03,399 he's just and then he just goes and like collects 2322 01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:05,079 the suit to just fly around, which I feel like 2323 01:38:05,119 --> 01:38:07,359 if he's in the military, there'd probably be a hierarchy 2324 01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:09,600 that just would prevent him from being able to just 2325 01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:11,600 go do stuff like that. So I was trying to 2326 01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:13,960 look past that. I love the green Goblin suit though 2327 01:38:14,039 --> 01:38:16,399 you know, it looked exactly like the Green Goblin aesthetic. 2328 01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:20,119 I love it, even even with the oh yeah, the green, 2329 01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:23,600 even the yellow. Pull that mask from behind you there 2330 01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:25,520 was the green and yellow. It was it was yeah, 2331 01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:27,439 excited telling me that put that on. 2332 01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:29,319 Speaker 2: You saw a movie with that mask today. 2333 01:38:29,399 --> 01:38:31,199 Speaker 5: I think the exact same one. Actually, I think that's 2334 01:38:31,239 --> 01:38:33,600 what you had in the hell Fu. I think looks heavy. 2335 01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:39,640 Oh shit's going on? Oh that's Joaquin. That's Joaquin right there. 2336 01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:44,880 That's fine, not so different from. 2337 01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:50,199 Speaker 1: Real life Captain America. How do I sound? I sound bad? 2338 01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,760 Speaker 5: You sound like you have the wrong voice that mask. 2339 01:38:57,119 --> 01:38:58,800 Speaker 1: I am not going to Falcon. 2340 01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:02,560 Speaker 5: Did Falcon ever have? Sorry, did Sam Wilson ever have 2341 01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:05,279 that suit like in the movies? Because it seemed like 2342 01:39:05,319 --> 01:39:06,880 it was his old one, right. 2343 01:39:07,079 --> 01:39:10,159 Speaker 1: It's his old one refurbished because I got damaged in 2344 01:39:10,199 --> 01:39:10,880 the TV show. 2345 01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:16,800 Speaker 2: Okay, I thought it was new, but there you go. 2346 01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:20,760 Speaker 1: I liked TV show, Okay, go on. 2347 01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:24,000 Speaker 3: I like the Little Falcon Falcon quite a bit, and 2348 01:39:24,079 --> 01:39:27,159 I really appreciate that end conversation they had where he's 2349 01:39:27,239 --> 01:39:29,680 in the hospital bed and Sam sits down and they 2350 01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:32,760 talk and we've had this whole of course, the dilemma, 2351 01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:34,640 and they circle back to it to this movie after 2352 01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,399 we had the TV show of just Sam feeling like, hey, 2353 01:39:38,079 --> 01:39:42,279 how many alien invasions did Steve fight off? And I 2354 01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:45,279 went too, and just all these things, these amazing things 2355 01:39:45,319 --> 01:39:47,359 that Steve did, and like, how can just Sam keep 2356 01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:49,520 up with that? It's just a regular human And that 2357 01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:52,840 is just great character building because you get to this 2358 01:39:53,079 --> 01:39:56,920 moment here where Little Falcon is saying like, hey, like you. 2359 01:39:57,159 --> 01:39:57,439 Speaker 1: Just you. 2360 01:40:01,359 --> 01:40:03,920 Speaker 4: Laughing back there. It was very hard. There's a stand 2361 01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,039 specifically it's on. It's very hard to get the mask 2362 01:40:06,159 --> 01:40:06,720 back on there. 2363 01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,920 Speaker 5: So that's all good. 2364 01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:12,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just a little Falcons just talking about how 2365 01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:16,279 Sam is. He's never screwed up. He just does everything right. 2366 01:40:16,399 --> 01:40:20,439 He's always on point, and that's what Sam sees Steve. 2367 01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:22,399 Steve is always on point. He doesn't have any of 2368 01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:23,159 those failures, and. 2369 01:40:23,159 --> 01:40:24,600 Speaker 4: So Sam sees Hi stuff a way too. 2370 01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:24,760 Speaker 1: Though. 2371 01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:26,359 Speaker 4: Remember, like I said earlier, he does not say he 2372 01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:27,079 had failures. 2373 01:40:27,119 --> 01:40:28,399 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, that's what you gotta do. 2374 01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:30,720 Speaker 4: Sam admits to no failures ever. 2375 01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:33,479 Speaker 5: So you don't know why I'm perfect because I have 2376 01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:35,560 to be, because I have to look up for idiots 2377 01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:35,760 like you. 2378 01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:40,760 Speaker 1: You're fired. I'm giving Ruth wings. 2379 01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:44,800 Speaker 3: It was it was just a cool scene and just 2380 01:40:45,359 --> 01:40:47,239 for me, I found it very humbling and I like 2381 01:40:47,319 --> 01:40:49,439 seeing that and just a little bit more, a little 2382 01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:52,640 bit more development on Little Falcon. We didn't have that much. 2383 01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:54,560 It was just him kind of being like Quippie and 2384 01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:57,960 dropping jokes and very excited about road trips and all that, 2385 01:40:58,239 --> 01:41:00,319 and this really made me like the character a lot. 2386 01:41:00,399 --> 01:41:00,520 Speaker 1: More. 2387 01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:03,319 Speaker 3: I didn't have any excitement much for the character going in, 2388 01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:07,199 just that Okay, he's just a replacement Falcon, the new sidekick, 2389 01:41:07,279 --> 01:41:09,920 and so I really liked him and I'm happy to 2390 01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:11,680 see him on the the Avengers roster. 2391 01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:16,159 Speaker 5: If that first name on the list, man he's he's 2392 01:41:16,199 --> 01:41:17,319 the first member of the Avengers. 2393 01:41:17,359 --> 01:41:20,840 Speaker 1: Now if they need Avenger to die, then he will 2394 01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:22,760 make it on the team. But there's no there's no 2395 01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:24,279 ways on the Avengers squad. 2396 01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:30,079 Speaker 3: Really, I don't think like Tech me or five members 2397 01:41:30,159 --> 01:41:33,760 right now technically no topic for another day. 2398 01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:35,640 Speaker 5: That's Falcon, Yeah, because. 2399 01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:38,319 Speaker 1: I have the want and what they need, that's the thing, 2400 01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:39,960 and there there, and then there's a list of what 2401 01:41:40,039 --> 01:41:40,359 they'll do. 2402 01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:42,800 Speaker 4: But Falcon technically was on. 2403 01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:45,359 Speaker 1: The Avengers that he became a member after Age of Ultron, 2404 01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:48,079 so it's there is history of it. I just don't 2405 01:41:48,159 --> 01:41:50,760 think unless they like they literally say the Avengers team 2406 01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:52,520 is like twenty people, then sure. But if we go 2407 01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:55,039 with like it's a six Danny. 2408 01:41:56,079 --> 01:41:58,760 Speaker 3: Falcons one of them as they have Bradley's another one. 2409 01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:00,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then let's go to. 2410 01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:03,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go. 2411 01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:06,640 Speaker 1: Could you imagine that I was on stage introducing Avengers 2412 01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:10,840 it's just Ruth, Carl Lumbley Fucky, It's. 2413 01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:11,680 Speaker 4: Just the cat people. 2414 01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:15,159 Speaker 5: And they're like, oh, just crickets in the crowd. 2415 01:42:16,039 --> 01:42:19,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, and Chris is the Steve Rogers again, Oh my god. 2416 01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:26,960 Speaker 1: Anything else specifically touched on character stuff moments. 2417 01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:31,319 Speaker 3: There was a moment when they were highlighting it was 2418 01:42:31,399 --> 01:42:35,079 during the Adamantium presentation in the White House before all 2419 01:42:35,119 --> 01:42:39,159 the agents went kind of crazy. Harrison Ford was doing 2420 01:42:39,239 --> 01:42:44,079 his little explanation, and then in retrospect later when Sam 2421 01:42:44,199 --> 01:42:46,760 was looking at the tapes, he was like, what the hell, 2422 01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:49,960 Like Isaiah had him like point blank, like right dead 2423 01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,359 in the sights and fired. He was replaying the scene 2424 01:42:52,359 --> 01:42:56,600 again and again and was he implying that Ross should 2425 01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:59,960 have been shot and actually hits. So are we doing 2426 01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,119 assumed like he was just bulletproof because he's a hulk. 2427 01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:07,800 Speaker 1: No, No, he's saying that Isaiah missed on purpose. Oh okay, 2428 01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:10,079 because the leader didn't want I'm dead. He wanted to 2429 01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:12,479 take down his legacy. So if he just kills him, 2430 01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:15,079 he becomes a martyr, right of, Like, oh, Ross, you 2431 01:43:15,119 --> 01:43:18,039 know present, So that's why because he's Sam's like, he 2432 01:43:18,079 --> 01:43:20,079 shouldn't have missed it all he had him dead to rights? 2433 01:43:20,279 --> 01:43:21,960 How's he not shot? I thought the same thing at 2434 01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:24,479 you first, like, oh, that's gonna put together. He's had 2435 01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:27,000 some powers going on. But then no, it was okay, 2436 01:43:27,359 --> 01:43:29,439 that's why because then he's see I don't even know 2437 01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:31,359 if he says he misses, but he implies he missed. 2438 01:43:31,399 --> 01:43:32,199 So that's why. 2439 01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:38,039 Speaker 2: One weird thing. The opening of the movie had like 2440 01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:41,239 a different intro and it's like a like a noir 2441 01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:45,840 like old school retro thing. I didn't get it. It 2442 01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:47,840 was very very odd choice. 2443 01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:49,520 Speaker 4: Well they're done. Yeah, they're going for like a political 2444 01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:50,159 thriller thing. 2445 01:43:50,239 --> 01:43:52,399 Speaker 1: But I I found it very odd that this is 2446 01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:54,960 the first MCU project ever that does not have the 2447 01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:59,439 fan fare and fifty projects. And I don't like it. 2448 01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:00,439 Speaker 4: It's not big thing. 2449 01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:02,399 Speaker 1: It has nothing against the score or anything, but it's like, 2450 01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:04,760 I like that beginning. You could still have that and 2451 01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:06,000 then do your thing there. 2452 01:44:06,159 --> 01:44:08,479 Speaker 2: But yeah, it doesn't really fit the aesthetic of the 2453 01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:10,840 movie at all though, So it was a weird like 2454 01:44:11,079 --> 01:44:12,520 theming for it in my opinion. 2455 01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:15,600 Speaker 1: And I also thought the transition into Ross's speech that 2456 01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:19,960 felt very not real like his president accepted in speech. 2457 01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:23,680 It just felt very like AI generated people out there 2458 01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:24,800 and fake responses. 2459 01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:26,760 Speaker 4: Did not feel like passionate like. 2460 01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:29,119 Speaker 1: When Tony Stark made some of his speeches and everything. 2461 01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:31,279 Speaker 5: But also very real. You know, it seems like a 2462 01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:35,600 very like just bullshit political like you know, we're gonna 2463 01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:38,039 do it thing like. It just seems like the standard 2464 01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:42,159 vanilla political except what they're going for. 2465 01:44:42,439 --> 01:44:44,159 Speaker 4: I get what they're going No, not that, I mean, 2466 01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:46,800 like just literally the vibe of it did not feel like. 2467 01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:49,239 Speaker 5: Like the crowd and everything, everything in the environment. 2468 01:44:49,359 --> 01:44:51,840 Speaker 1: It just felt like Harris and Ford is standing on 2469 01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:55,319 the X right now in a CGI room with CGI 2470 01:44:55,479 --> 01:44:58,159 people and everything, like Gandalf acting at the dinner table 2471 01:44:58,199 --> 01:45:00,159 in the Hobbit, like that's what it felt like. There 2472 01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:04,000 was no actual reaction or energy in the speech going on. 2473 01:45:04,279 --> 01:45:10,479 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm ready to put a number 2474 01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:11,319 on this, bad boy. 2475 01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:14,840 Speaker 1: Kirklin do anything else? 2476 01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:21,159 Speaker 5: Hmm, very forgettable score. I don't remember a single track 2477 01:45:21,359 --> 01:45:22,199 from the entire. 2478 01:45:22,319 --> 01:45:23,920 Speaker 1: A few moments I liked when they're hitting on some 2479 01:45:24,079 --> 01:45:26,880 kind of like a kind of no worry sound effects 2480 01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:27,279 and everything. 2481 01:45:27,359 --> 01:45:29,479 Speaker 2: But I agree with you, Kirklam. 2482 01:45:30,039 --> 01:45:30,520 Speaker 1: If you have. 2483 01:45:32,039 --> 01:45:36,199 Speaker 3: You know, if you're prone to epilepsy or flashing lights 2484 01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:40,960 are not your grooved. I would avoid this movie because 2485 01:45:41,359 --> 01:45:42,600 there's a lot of flashing lights. 2486 01:45:43,159 --> 01:45:44,960 Speaker 4: We did have a warning in our theater, so I'm 2487 01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:45,399 sure there. 2488 01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:46,159 Speaker 5: Was the warning. 2489 01:45:46,279 --> 01:45:47,159 Speaker 3: I totally miss that. 2490 01:45:47,279 --> 01:45:49,039 Speaker 4: When you walk, yeah, when you walk in the theater. 2491 01:45:49,079 --> 01:45:50,520 On the post, they had the sign like if you 2492 01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:51,199 suffer from it. 2493 01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:53,680 Speaker 3: Oh, I did not see that. I just know when 2494 01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:56,039 we got into the Leader's Layer and he was the 2495 01:45:56,159 --> 01:45:58,119 guards walked in, those lights were flashed. I was like, 2496 01:45:58,199 --> 01:46:02,159 holy fuck, like I was gonna start being mine programmed 2497 01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:02,560 or something. 2498 01:46:03,159 --> 01:46:06,800 Speaker 5: Just stand up, start fucking shooting some Glad you didn't 2499 01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:10,560 do that. Uh, just talking about the theater. I didn't 2500 01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:11,359 think about this till now. 2501 01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:11,720 Speaker 1: I don't. 2502 01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:13,319 Speaker 5: I don't know if this has ever happened to me before, 2503 01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,479 and it didn't happen to me, but in the theater 2504 01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:18,359 far left corner, I'm glad I wasn't sitting in the area. 2505 01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:20,840 I just heard one lady say shut the fuck up, 2506 01:46:22,279 --> 01:46:24,520 and I'm like, man, shuts up to her. You know, 2507 01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:26,520 someone was talking too much. I didn't hear any of 2508 01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:29,960 the dialogue, but I just heard and then they stopped. 2509 01:46:31,199 --> 01:46:33,039 Speaker 4: The twist of the story is. 2510 01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:40,760 Speaker 1: She's just talking to the. 2511 01:46:42,399 --> 01:46:45,560 Speaker 5: Ghost. I never looked back, so I never actually saw 2512 01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:47,640 the interaction of who was there? You know, there was 2513 01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:48,840 there were some bodies in my theater. 2514 01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:51,279 Speaker 2: Though it's a Harrison Ford line. She was quoting the 2515 01:46:51,279 --> 01:46:54,159 Harrison Ford thing, shut the fuck. 2516 01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:58,479 Speaker 5: It was actually very similar to that, Like n ironically, 2517 01:46:58,600 --> 01:46:59,960 it was very similar to was that. 2518 01:47:00,199 --> 01:47:01,720 Speaker 2: When most of the movie had started, or was it 2519 01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:02,920 like earlier on? 2520 01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:06,479 Speaker 5: It was during the movie. It was like during like dialogue, 2521 01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:09,079 like maybe after the assassination. So it's like, yeah, someone's 2522 01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:12,000 fucking not shutting the hell up. So I'm kudos to 2523 01:47:12,079 --> 01:47:12,760 her for doing that. 2524 01:47:13,239 --> 01:47:16,560 Speaker 1: I did do that at the Ghostbusters Frozen Empire last 2525 01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:20,439 year to somebody because oh yeah, yeah they unfortunate for them, 2526 01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:24,119 they didn't understand. But a couple of seats above for 2527 01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:27,520 from us, there was somebody that had special abilities. So 2528 01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:29,520 they would talk during the movie went on, that's fine 2529 01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:32,159 me because they can't control themselves, but this person would 2530 01:47:32,239 --> 01:47:34,079 keep telling them to shut up and like like sighing. 2531 01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:36,399 So I stood right up and I walked by there 2532 01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:37,720 and I'm like, you know, what the fuck you're doing. 2533 01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:39,760 He's like no, I'm like, you're being very rude to 2534 01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:42,319 someone that has specialties. Oh my god, so something like yeah, 2535 01:47:42,359 --> 01:47:44,199 think about before you do, and I pimped off. 2536 01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:47,239 Speaker 4: H isn't that right? 2537 01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:48,720 Speaker 3: Hot brother? 2538 01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:52,520 Speaker 5: You double tapped them. 2539 01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:56,279 Speaker 2: He was scared when I sat down with the sidewinder 2540 01:47:56,399 --> 01:47:58,640 special show up the theater was. 2541 01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:01,039 Speaker 1: The parents with their kid, me on our kids, him 2542 01:48:01,079 --> 01:48:03,239 and a few others. So this seer had maybe ten people. 2543 01:48:03,239 --> 01:48:05,399 So when I walked in, I've seen sat right beside him. 2544 01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:07,159 The fear of golf was He's. 2545 01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:09,760 Speaker 2: Like, what the fuck is your golflin mask on? And 2546 01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:12,439 speaking of. 2547 01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:16,640 Speaker 1: The Dee and doctor nas, I had a couple Doctor 2548 01:48:18,199 --> 01:48:20,640 there was a couple that was talking for the first 2549 01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:22,039 fifteen minutes. I get to and then yeah, I haven't 2550 01:48:22,039 --> 01:48:23,720 gonna shut the fuck you need it, luckily I haven't 2551 01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:26,000 had in a while. But all right, before we get 2552 01:48:26,039 --> 01:48:28,640 out of here, the point tell right now because we're 2553 01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:30,079 gonna do this with the MCU projecty at the end 2554 01:48:30,079 --> 01:48:31,600 and the kind of keep it out track the whole time. 2555 01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:33,640 Speaker 4: Taylor, You're a deal right now, No scar, no reck, 2556 01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:34,159 strange for you. 2557 01:48:34,279 --> 01:48:38,399 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Kirk or Dylan is in last place with 2558 01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:40,279 fifteen points, but we'll be higher up. But he got 2559 01:48:40,319 --> 01:48:43,920 fifteen points for Bucky an unannounced appearance. If you don't know. 2560 01:48:44,039 --> 01:48:45,800 Speaker 4: We do the movie on the MC draft. 2561 01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:48,720 Speaker 1: We all have ten characters and we get points based 2562 01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:52,279 on certain critiques like leading a film, special appearances points. 2563 01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:55,279 We're sorting special appearances secrets stuff like that. So yeah, 2564 01:48:55,399 --> 01:48:58,680 because Dylan did not have Bucky or Bucky was appeared 2565 01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:01,680 in any promos, fifteen points Kirkland. Right now, you're in 2566 01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:03,680 the lead because you had a Spiderman leading project and 2567 01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:05,399 you had Falcons, so he did not die. So you're 2568 01:49:05,439 --> 01:49:07,199 at thirty or so you're not in the leads or 2569 01:49:07,239 --> 01:49:09,600 I'm wrong, you're in second place plus post credit for 2570 01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:13,720 no I have cap oh he is little Falcon I have. 2571 01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:17,159 So I got the twenty five from leading and then 2572 01:49:17,279 --> 01:49:19,680 ten for the end credit thirty five. But yeah, Dylan's 2573 01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:21,279 bucket coming up. So that was a good pick there, 2574 01:49:21,359 --> 01:49:24,520 don our first surprise appearance of the year, so very good. 2575 01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:27,199 Speaker 4: So yeah, Dylan, we want to. 2576 01:49:27,199 --> 01:49:30,079 Speaker 2: Throw on this for a for a number range five 2577 01:49:30,119 --> 01:49:31,800 point two two. 2578 01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:35,039 Speaker 4: Okay, that's all. It's poster Taylor Field. 2579 01:49:36,159 --> 01:49:40,000 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think I'm going to give it a 2580 01:49:41,279 --> 01:49:43,039 I was thinking of seven before, but I'm gonna go 2581 01:49:43,119 --> 01:49:48,119 seven point five out of ten. I would definitely rewatch this. Uh, 2582 01:49:49,079 --> 01:49:51,119 I'm not going to be racing and running to it. 2583 01:49:51,279 --> 01:49:53,199 Speaker 5: What I say, you need to see it in the theaters. 2584 01:49:55,159 --> 01:49:57,520 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think it's for everyone. I really don't. 2585 01:49:57,560 --> 01:50:00,439 I think that this is gonna be a split down 2586 01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:01,760 the center kind of a thing where I think some 2587 01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:04,319 people like it, some people really don't like it. And 2588 01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:06,640 after seeing a lot of the reviews and just the 2589 01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:09,439 lower ratings, I think that helped as well me going 2590 01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:12,600 in because I had lower expectations and so when I 2591 01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:14,560 actually watched it, there were parts that I really enjoyed. 2592 01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:17,319 Now there, of course, is definitely some messy components too. 2593 01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:20,680 It's not devoid of its problems, and I think you 2594 01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:23,800 can definitely tell how some things were poorly chopped up. 2595 01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:27,079 But at its core, I think it's It's a decent 2596 01:50:27,279 --> 01:50:31,399 enough movie. It's not the greatest movie to be kickstarting 2597 01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:33,439 our Avengers like. 2598 01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:37,640 Speaker 1: Path like technically we're at the end of I didn't 2599 01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:39,720 know this because it's how they screwed this up before too. 2600 01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:40,279 Do you do? 2601 01:50:40,399 --> 01:50:42,800 Speaker 4: You know what the ending movie of Phase five is? 2602 01:50:44,159 --> 01:50:44,880 Speaker 3: Fantastic four? 2603 01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:49,279 Speaker 1: No anyone else wanted got a guess wasn't a Deadpool? Nope, 2604 01:50:50,039 --> 01:50:51,439 Kirkland Last Chance? 2605 01:50:52,319 --> 01:50:53,479 Speaker 5: Oh no, is it this? 2606 01:50:54,159 --> 01:50:55,319 Speaker 4: No, it's Thunderbolts. 2607 01:50:55,319 --> 01:50:57,960 Speaker 1: Thunderbolts is technically the lasting of Face, and Fantastic four 2608 01:50:58,039 --> 01:50:58,920 kicks off Phase six. 2609 01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:00,359 Speaker 4: But that's what that's the problem. 2610 01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:02,039 Speaker 1: We used to know that shit, we used to know 2611 01:51:02,159 --> 01:51:02,600 it used to. 2612 01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:05,079 Speaker 2: Be Deadpool at one point. I remember that specifically. 2613 01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:07,479 Speaker 5: Yeah, but now it's Fantastic for supposed to be in 2614 01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:09,520 Phase four, wasn't it that was the Big four? 2615 01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,239 Speaker 1: Well that never happened because where now it's in Phase six? 2616 01:51:12,319 --> 01:51:13,159 Too late? I know. 2617 01:51:13,279 --> 01:51:15,560 Speaker 5: It's just like, holy fuck, I got pushed down the line. 2618 01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:19,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go next because I was leaving Taylor. I 2619 01:51:19,439 --> 01:51:21,279 thought Taylor would not have that highest score. I'm gonna 2620 01:51:21,279 --> 01:51:24,039 go a six point seven to five. As I've said before, 2621 01:51:24,039 --> 01:51:26,479 I've changed my sevens. This maybe used to be a seven, 2622 01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:30,039 but now I've reserved sevens for films that are very 2623 01:51:30,119 --> 01:51:32,920 well made. But I maybe particularly didn't like at seven 2624 01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:34,600 point five means I'll rewatch a lot. 2625 01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:36,600 Speaker 4: I won't rewatch this a lot, so I'm still gonna 2626 01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:38,479 pass it. That's where it's a six point seven to five. 2627 01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:40,680 I like it enough. There's some good stuff in here. 2628 01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:42,680 Speaker 1: I will rewatch this, but kind of like Tay said, 2629 01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:44,840 I'm not rushing, like I don't think it's gonna be 2630 01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:47,039 next year, Like I don't know when. 2631 01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:49,239 Speaker 4: It will be. I'll have a moment where, you know, 2632 01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:51,840 cap Marathon showing the kids. 2633 01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:54,600 Speaker 1: I know i'll watch again when Ambley want see because 2634 01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:56,119 she didn't see it when it's on Disney Plus, but 2635 01:51:56,439 --> 01:51:58,720 me actively choosing to watch it probably gonna be a 2636 01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:01,399 few years. But uh, I had a good enough time again. 2637 01:52:01,720 --> 01:52:04,279 I think there's of course, do I want every movie 2638 01:52:04,319 --> 01:52:06,479 to be great, phenomenal walk up like man, that's my 2639 01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:09,079 favorite movie year, of course, right, But I'm also fine 2640 01:52:09,079 --> 01:52:12,039 with some movie just being it's just okay, it's all right. 2641 01:52:12,119 --> 01:52:13,920 And it's also movie that if people because there's so 2642 01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:16,119 many people that I've seen that like I hate it. 2643 01:52:16,279 --> 01:52:17,800 I don't think i've seen it loved it, but I 2644 01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:19,399 feel like it's a hater Oh I had a good 2645 01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:22,079 time and people are being over zelus with it. I 2646 01:52:22,199 --> 01:52:24,680 can see someone passing it, I can see someone failing, 2647 01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:27,439 and I completely understand. So six point seventy five so 2648 01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:27,800 it's like. 2649 01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:30,600 Speaker 4: A CEE plus. I feel like that's what this is 2650 01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:31,680 C plus type of movie. 2651 01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:35,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, and my rankings, I don't know where it 2652 01:52:35,960 --> 01:52:38,199 is technically yet because I was looking at that before. 2653 01:52:38,199 --> 01:52:42,159 I think it's probably because there's fifty projects, it's somewhere 2654 01:52:42,239 --> 01:52:45,079 in the thirty to forty range, so it is on 2655 01:52:45,199 --> 01:52:51,159 the lower end. Yeah, I think so the lower end. 2656 01:52:51,239 --> 01:52:54,880 So yeah, co patser juicy. 2657 01:52:57,000 --> 01:53:00,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, this one for me, like I started, like I 2658 01:53:00,399 --> 01:53:02,800 stayed in the beginning. I think it was average for 2659 01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:04,840 the most part, with some little bit. 2660 01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:08,319 Speaker 5: Of sprinkly sparkles on there. Like there's some things that 2661 01:53:08,479 --> 01:53:10,399 uplifted a little bit, And for that reason, I'm gonna 2662 01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:13,199 give it a seven point two, not quite seven point five, 2663 01:53:13,720 --> 01:53:15,640 a little bit of an abnormal rating, but this was 2664 01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:18,840 a little bit of an abnormal adventure. And yeah, no, 2665 01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:22,279 I'm I guess I'm happy, you know, like it's it 2666 01:53:22,359 --> 01:53:24,880 didn't disappoint me, even though my expectations were low. So 2667 01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:26,199 that's that's good. 2668 01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:27,600 Speaker 4: I got. 2669 01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:30,239 Speaker 5: I got a good time out of it, And I 2670 01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:33,319 wouldn't really recommend it to people to go see in theaters, 2671 01:53:33,359 --> 01:53:35,760 but like, honestly, I am glad I saw this in theaters. 2672 01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:37,520 I think I think the action scenes were all like 2673 01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:41,560 really really well done. I like the fight choreography and yeah, 2674 01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:44,960 like the the Red Hulk cap fight. That was the 2675 01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:47,359 biggest build up, you know, it's on the poster, Red 2676 01:53:47,439 --> 01:53:50,359 Hulk punching the shield like that was the big fight 2677 01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:52,560 night type event in this movie, and I think they 2678 01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:56,319 totally delivered on that behalf. So yeah, seven point two 2679 01:53:56,399 --> 01:53:56,560 for me. 2680 01:53:57,520 --> 01:53:59,079 Speaker 2: Nice, there you go. 2681 01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:03,279 Speaker 1: So yeah, we have now talked about and reviewed Captain 2682 01:54:03,279 --> 01:54:06,399 America Brave New World. What's our next venture in the MCU. 2683 01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:07,439 Speaker 4: Is it Thunderbolts, do you guys? 2684 01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:09,960 Speaker 1: Oh? No, I guess it is Daredevil in less than 2685 01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:13,960 three just three weeks round, and I feel like that's 2686 01:54:14,039 --> 01:54:17,079 gonna be I'm very much there's the reverse of us 2687 01:54:17,159 --> 01:54:19,800 all going into cap being like, eh, very low expectations 2688 01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:22,439 and we're a little surprised. That better not be the 2689 01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:25,359 opposite where we're very high expectations and we're very let down. 2690 01:54:25,479 --> 01:54:27,479 So I think it's very excited. To make sure if 2691 01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:30,319 you are listening, check out. They will be releasing it 2692 01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:32,880 soon hopefully. But the Daredevil season one and season two 2693 01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:36,079 retrospective from Kirkland and Taylor, who have watched it for 2694 01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:38,840 the first time ever this year out and season three 2695 01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:41,119 will be, and we'll be reviewing that predictions episode. 2696 01:54:41,159 --> 01:54:41,960 Speaker 4: Whole bunch of stuff. 2697 01:54:42,239 --> 01:54:44,159 Speaker 1: Thank you very much to anyone who tuned in live, 2698 01:54:44,239 --> 01:54:46,359 anyone who listened, Whether or it is the weekend of 2699 01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:49,760 or years later, it doesn't matter. We appreciate you very much, 2700 01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:52,279 We thank you, and I hope when you hear us 2701 01:54:52,319 --> 01:54:56,159 next it'll not be boring, well for you