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Speaker 2: Oh there's more.

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Speaker 1: This is part two of taking your game to the

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next level, one club at a time with Tony Manzoni.

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This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from

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Speaker 2: There's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf

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Smarter Podcast. Tony.

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Speaker 3: Great to be back.

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Speaker 2: It's good to have you again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for even though it's been a week since

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we've recorded our last one.

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Speaker 2: Usually when we do two part episodes, we'll.

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Speaker 1: Record one right after the other, but you had to go,

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so it's great that we can just go ahead and

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pick this up. Before we started recording a moment ago,

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we were talking about our excitement that the NBA Finals

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is beginning tonight. Now, I know when people listen to this,

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it's going to be old news, So I don't want

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to talk about the teams and their chances and what's

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going to happen. But you know, there's something about the

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Warriors that is so interesting that there are two players,

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Steph Curry and Klay Thompson, who are all Stars, and

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Steph's a superstar, but they both grew up in an

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NBA arena, right, both of their fathers played in the NBA.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: And then you think about players like Ken Griffy Junior

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who grew up in a major league dugout because his

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dad played in the majors. And there's you know, other

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baseball players as well. What kind of impact or do

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you know of players on the PGA Tour whose fathers

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were also players on the PGA Tour and what kind

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of impact did it have on them in their play?

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Speaker 3: Well, in some cases, if the the dads were great,

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let's say like Nicholas, it's it's very difficult for the

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sons too. They go in there with an anchor because

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they've got to beat a record that's already been established.

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of times is that because their dads were involved in

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a sport, whether it's baseball or whatever, they have a

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better comfort zone there, and they have a better understanding

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of what's going to happen because they've been around it,

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you know, all their youth. So you know, it's kind

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of a two pronged thing there. One is one is

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a little bit tough on you, and the other one

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makes it a little bit easy here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see how that, but that's if, in fact,

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you do pursue the same line that your dad did.

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kids I can see just going, yeah, I want nothing

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Speaker 3: Well, that's true. I mean, you know, I was lucky

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enough to know Frank Sinatra a bit and his son

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was a tremendous singer. But you know, how are you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it always seemed like Frank Junior was a junior.

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saw of him on television that he was just trying

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Speaker 3: Working, you know. The truth being known, his his speaking voice,

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the aura that Frank presented, and he didn't really have

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the chops that Frank had either, but he sounded like

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his dad. I remember when I used to I was

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involved in the Celebrity the Celebrity event that Barbara Sinatra

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put on for abused children, and one year Frank Junior

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and it was eerie. I mean you you would think

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it was Frank Sinatra on stage until you saw him

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and then the way he handled him. So he had

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very unique the ways about him when he sang. He

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did some really cool things. But his dad had, you know,

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care who was up there previous. He just owned the thing.

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Speaker 1: And then talking about wayward sons, I have to do it.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't the details. I do understand that

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you should be you know, you can't mix prescription drugs.

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fifty million dollars? What are you driving from northern cals

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to southern cal by yourself? Number one? And why do not?

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mean it was a long drive. He's going to Florida

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said he was going home and he was

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going in the opposite direction.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know, I mean, you know, when you

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look at the look at the videos that they're showing,

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it's very incriminating. But you know, I know of people

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that have had really bad reactions to drugs that are mixed.

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deal out of it and make him look like a

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bad guy. You know, he's got a lot of people

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that don't like him, and that kind of comes with

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the territory of being famous.

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Speaker 1: But I think there's also a lot of people who

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are going, oh, that's so sad.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think there's a lot of people feel bad. Yeah,

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I mean, it's you know, with Tiger at one time

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he could have run for president. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then after well, he came onto the scene.

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same time as Barack Obama, right, I mean a little

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bit earlier, but at two thousand and eight, he was

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at his pinnacle and here comes Barack.

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Speaker 2: Obama and anywhere in the world.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of a debate on who was the

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most recognizable person in the world at that moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I would have voted for Tiger, to

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be honest with you. You know, he was bigger than

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life there for a while, and unfortunately, because it was escapades,

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he lost favor with everyone for a bit of a time.

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his camp, including sponsors. But there for a while he

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was very disliked because he had this perfect marriage, kids,

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the whole thing, and then he dumpster for you know,

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for doing stupid things. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my greatest fear in all of this that you know,

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with all the surgeries that he's had, and he's had

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multiple back surgeries, and if you've been following the Warriors,

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you know about Steve Kerr, and he's now regrets the

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surgeries that he had.

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Speaker 2: He says, you should never do back surgery.

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Speaker 1: And what Tiger's now had four Uh, my greatest fear

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is that he's addicted to pain meds.

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Speaker 3: That's that's a very good possibility, very good possibility. Sure,

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time ago, uh at at a tournament, on the celebrity tournament,

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and he just happened to be there because there's a

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lot of celebrities there.

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Speaker 1: Was he a pro at this point? Was he still

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a pro? Was he already a pro at this point?

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noticed that he was very small bones for a guy

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that hid it so far. He was out of college.

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when he weighed one hundred and fifty. So he's a

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real strong guy, and he was very he could run

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really fast too. But I noticed that he had his

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hands are medium sized, but his wrists were very small,

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and so his tendons and everything and were built for

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that kind of a frame and then he started doing

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all the weight training and heavy weight training and got

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very big and it's still big, really, And I think

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that that you know, you can put on a lot

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of muscle about your structure is built for a certain

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body type. And I think that's where a lot of

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his injuries came from. It's just that he got so

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heavy muscled, and I don't think his tendens could hold

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up his knees and so far in the back. Everything

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kind of fell apart because I did a tournament years

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ago called Kids Kids, and I had Justin Leonard and Tiger.

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Tiger just hit the drive on one of the holes.

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that couldn't afford to play golf and so forth. And

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where it was a long drive contest, and I really

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cracked when I was thinking, Man, nobody's catching that one.

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flag but forty yards ahead of my ball. He said, well,

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what the heck is that is all? That's where that

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sixty year old kid hit it. And I mean, Tiger

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must wait like you weighed about fifty pounds when I

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when he was there, just skinnier the heck. But boy,

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he could just move the ball. And I think he

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hit it farther as an amateurs than he did as

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a pro. Really, and he was he was skinny, he

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was you know, big muscled people don't hit it long.

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Davis Love is a perfect example of a long, lean

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guy that hit it long, even even in his later years.

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afraid that Rory McElroy's does this same thing. He got

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into really heavy weight training, you know, way way back

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is he was a first bodybuilder golfer, and I just

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don't think that the two match. I don't think they

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go together.

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Speaker 1: Interesting And then like jose Canseco was like the first

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big weightlifter for baseball, and then the accusation of steroids

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and then everybody else, and then he came out and said,

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you know he and what's so interesting is he came

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out and said he was going to do this book

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that everybody's doing steroids, and everyone's chastised him and berated

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him and pretty much blackballed him from the world of baseball,

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and now that many years later, he was right, all wrong.

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Speaker 2: He was the one that was right.

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Speaker 3: You can't blame the athletes for trying to get an

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edge when everybody else is doing the same thing. Absolutely,

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and you know, no one's really said, no one's ever

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been definitive about steroids and things like that, what they

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and doctors prescribe them for guy's sake. So but the

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I want to get them bigger, and I want to

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do this. You're in that arena where that stuff is

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bandied about, and that's when you get that's when you're

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like something that is like a drug almost. You want

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to get bigger, you want to get stronger. You get

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in the gym, you're press bench pressing so much, you

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want to press more, and that stuff is available and

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it kind of calls out to you, and that's when

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that's when the mistakes started happening, and you start injecting

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stuff and and doing more of it than you should

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and then you pay the piper. That's why you see

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so many football players dying so early. I really attributed

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to a lot of that kind.

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Speaker 2: Of stuff, steroids and pain medication.

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Speaker 3: Sure, sure, yeah, you know when you're o d on

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that stuff or when you do it too much in

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your system eventually catches up with you.

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Speaker 1: Let's get back to it. Our conversation started to be

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last week. I wanted to continue this week because you

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gave so much really valuable information. And what we're talking

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about is taking your game to the next level, one

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club at a time, and we're dissecting each of the

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clubs in our bag to see what we can do

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to improve our game and improve our ball striking and

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lower our scores by focusing on practicing with each club

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and what we can do. Last week, we talked about

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the putter, the eight iron, chipping with an eight iron,

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and the lob wedge and the sand wedge, and then

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you know how how a ball releases when when you're chipping,

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and how much it releases.

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Speaker 2: So if you miss that, you've got to go back

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to hear that. But let's talk now.

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Speaker 1: Let's start again here, Well, let's start at the Sandwich,

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we really didn't cover much of it. Tell me what

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I need to do better with my sand wedge that

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I'm not doing that's going to get the ball closer

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to the hole.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, the Sandwich is a marvelous club. Jean

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sarah'son was the one that invented the thing, and it's

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been primarily used for bunker shots and shots in and

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around the green and hitting flop shots. But then with

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the advent of higher lofted clubs being made with lob

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wedge and so forth. In my estimation, and this is

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just my opinion, and maybe I'm just a little old school,

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because I am old. I like to hit all kinds

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of shots with the Sandwich. I don't even carry it.

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You know. I put a sixty degree in and it

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befuddled me because I couldn't get the distance control that

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I wanted. I expected more distance, and I came up

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short a lot of shots. So I've learned that I've

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gone back to the Sandwich. I've taken a little bounce

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off of it so I could use it in the

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fairways and I can open it up and hit that

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lob shot. And really it's that that's what you should do.

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When I got to know when I was with Callaway

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and I got to know teaching Rodriguez a little bit

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and listen to him. You know, he had about twenty

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shots with the wedge. He could just do anything with it.

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And then in subsequent talks with Lee Trevino, Lee Trevino,

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he said, I could I could do brain surgery with

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my wedge. You know. That's that is if you want

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to play golf and shoot low numbers, you've got to

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be a wizard with those short clubs, especially the sandwich

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and pitching wedge and the shots around the green. But

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the sandwich is a fantastic club, but you must make

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sure that you have the correct bounce for what you're

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trying to get done. And that's ah And and you know,

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I love the Cleveland wedges. I love the the title

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of Volky wedges. They seem to be whoever is doing

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the design and seems to be a good player and

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understands what they should be like, especially in the bounce area.

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Speaker 1: Can you It's been discussed before, but there's still it's confusing.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by bounce?

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Speaker 3: Well, bounce there's a you know, the flange on the

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golf club. Well, if you take it to club and

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turn it over, you'll see that a high bounce club,

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the flange kind of sticks out a little bits.

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Speaker 2: It's higher, I'm sorry. Flange is is the part that

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touches the ground.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so a high Uh. The idea of the flange

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is that it penetrates the sand a little bit. It

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goes into the sand a little bit, and that's what

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put sand on the face of the club, and then

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you hit the ball and the ball comes out soft.

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So way back when I've got an Old Wizard wedge

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by Johnny Rivolta, that's like anivil very heavy, big, big

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flange on it. But it was primarily for the sand,

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for the sand, but you also want to a sandwich

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that you can use off the turf. And if you

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have too much bounce on it and you're hitting off

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a tight lie, you're gonna hear some some nifty little

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skull shots that you don't you don't want. So I've

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always believed that I want to I can get the

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ball out of the bucker uh, And I don't need

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I don't need that that the high loft of the bounce,

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I don't need high A big, big bounce on it.

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I can use a lower bounce, and I just opened

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the thing up, and I feel like I want to

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slide the club under the ball a little bit more.

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I don't. I don't stick it in the sand so

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much and explode it out. And I think in today's

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world you see more of the sliders where they slide

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the ball out a little bit. Uh you don't see

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that too much chunk and run as as you did

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way back when. Uh. So I like, I like my

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sandwich to be a little bit more utility for me

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where I can use it in the fairways, use it

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off of a tied to lie, and use it in

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the bunker, so that that little piece that comes down

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it's kind of a V shape. That's that's what it

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looks like when you're looking at the bounce, and the

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more V the shape is, the bigger the bounce.

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Speaker 1: Hard to say, Yeah, it's hard to explain without holding

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a club up here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to explain with the words. You have

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to see it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Are you saying that it's easier to get.

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Speaker 1: The ball to stop when you slide it under the

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when you're in a bunker, or when you explode it up.

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Speaker 3: To get the ball to stop. It has to do

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with speed. The more speed you can generate and hit

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and do it properly, the more spin you put on

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the ball, the more you stop the ball. A lot

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a lot of people like to hit so that it

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releases a little bit and not too many guys are

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trying to carry it to the hole and make it stop.

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That's the conditions have to be perfect for that in

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the sand. But you watch the guys today, they really

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they have that blade really open with the sand shot,

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and you know they just come from all to in

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on it and slide that baby underneath. Venturrey used to

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I when I when he was alive and I got

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to play a little golf of them. I used to

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watch him, and that's that was his things. I feel

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as if there's a tee under the ball and try

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to clip that tea and I hit a lot of

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skull shots for a while until I got that feeling

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where I could slide the thing underneath.

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Speaker 1: You said, perfect conditions when the when the when your

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ball's in the sand and under perfect conditions. For for me,

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I'm a public course guy, right, I don't play the

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country club that has fresh sand brought in every six months,

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and so lots of times, especially after a harsh winter

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like we had. You know, the sand the bunkers are

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now hardly sand, they're almost mud or have turned into

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hard you know, hard dirt.

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Speaker 2: What are perfect conditions.

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Speaker 3: Well, then you have to get a little you know,

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when you have it really hard pan, you've got to

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be steeper on the shot. You got to literally make

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your own sand by hitting straight down into it and

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digging a little bit that you you just that's what

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that would be a condition where you're stuck with it

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because if you try to pinch it off of a

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hard pan, you run the risk of the club bouncing

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because of the law of the bounce on the club

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and it bounces into the ball when I mean you know,

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the club head bounces into the ball and you hit

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it the middle of the ball and skull it. So

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in that case you got to get steeper with it.

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The problem Muni places and places like that not only

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is sometimes there's way too much sand and it's really soft,

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because it's not it's not a silica sand, it's a

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it's like a blow sand that you get it or

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in the desert that's really much more difficult to get

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it out and make it do what you wanted to do.

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In that case, you're just trying to get it out

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and hoping for the best. But if you look at

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the tour, the bunkers are perfect and they and they

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have kind of what they call a silica sand and

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it's it's it's a tight sand in a way you

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can slide the club under, but it's not arduous. Well,

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you can't get the screw real heavy sand. It's very difficult.

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Speaker 1: And when you look at the tour, you'll notice that

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even if they hit wayward shots, they don't lose balls.

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That's because there's people standing there watching where they land.

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I mean, it would be so much nicer and we

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play so much better if we didn't have to go

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searching for a ball that we saw land and okay,

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it's in the rough over there and you can't find

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it anyway.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very very seldom you see a lost ball on

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tour because there's so many people watching. It happened occasionally,

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but very seldom. And plus I think the average guy's

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errant shot is a little bit more erranch than the pros.

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But you're right, that's a that's a great thing and

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you never never really lose a ball. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Is there a difference of the way bunkers are prepared

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or the type of sand that are in bunkers in

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the fairway versus the green side bunkers.

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Speaker 3: No, they're generally, you know, if they're using a silica

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sand they're using all the bunkers typically muni courses, they're

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using a heavier sand so it stays in there a

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little bit more. But they don't use a different sand

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for fairways than they do a green side generally.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, need to know that. How many how many

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wages do you carry in your bag?

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Speaker 3: A pitching legend sandwich?

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Speaker 2: So what do you carry? Fourteen clubs?

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Speaker 3: Sure? Then load up? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Where do you load up?

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Speaker 3: I load up with the rescue clubs.

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Speaker 2: How many do you carry?

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Speaker 3: Let me see, I've got a driver three wood, five

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wood three four five three four five rescue than six

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seven eight nine pitching wood sandwich potter.

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Speaker 1: So I carry driver forwood, then a high three hybrid

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four hybrid and my irons are five six seven eight nine.

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Speaker 2: Pitch gap sand lob.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: I carry I'm more on on the wedge side because

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to me it's you know, I I'll hit my four wood,

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you know, my driver, I can hit the average like

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two forty or two between two forty to fifty, but

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the I can hit my foreward about two ten to

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two twenty, and then my three hybrid I hit two hundred.

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Speaker 2: And then one eighty five.

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Speaker 1: So to me that I feel like I've got all

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that covered that distance because I'm not going to go

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beyond it.

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Speaker 3: You know, each individual is different, and I tried the

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gap wage for a while, but again it was confusing

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for me. First of all, unless you're unless you really

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play a lot and you're very skilled. The hardest part

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is distance control. If I've got a ninety one yard shot,

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it's really hard for me to hit at ninety one yards.

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I remember the funny story the caddy said, Hogan said

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to the caddy, how far is he' says it's ninety

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six or ninety seventy? Says which one is it? Because

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that's how immaculate Hogan was about playing the game. I mean,

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he really could hit it within yards. But the average person,

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even a guy's on tour, as you can see, they're

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either short or long most of the time.

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Speaker 1: So what's the difference in your distance between your pitching

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wedge and your sand wedge on a full swing.

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Speaker 3: You know, I had my set, my set set up

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so that my sandwich is a little on the strong side,

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so it's a little closer to my pitching wedge, so

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there's no need for the gap. My sandwich is a

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fifty four degree. A lot of them are fifty sixes

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and so forth, right, So you know, I don't find it.

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00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:43,480
I've never had a problem. And I played for years

478
00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:47,759
before there was gap wedges and sixty degree wedges, and

479
00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:51,440
I did just fine. But you know, manufacturers put that

480
00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:53,640
seat in your heads so you can buy more product.

481
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,440
You gotta have a have a gap wedge. You gotta

482
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,559
have a sixty degree. I mean, and I think Michelson

483
00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:02,559
has a sixty four degree or something like that. I'd

484
00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:03,880
be afraid I was going to hit myself in the

485
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,880
head with a thing, you know, So, but don't I

486
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,200
just don't see an eat for it.

487
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: Well, I have like a thirty five yard difference between

488
00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:15,640
my pitching wedge and my sand wedge, And to me,

489
00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:19,039
that's like, why would I want a thirty five yard

490
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:22,680
gap there when it could be so many different shots

491
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:23,079
for me?

492
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:24,559
Speaker 2: As I'm getting.

493
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,279
Speaker 1: You know, from my approach shot, I can deal with

494
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:31,799
a twenty five yard distance between my long ones. But

495
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,880
on those short shots, but you can.

496
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 3: You may be a pitching wedge is a little strong,

497
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,039
and your your sandwich is a little weak, but you

498
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:42,279
should be able to take a pitching wedge out and

499
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,359
hit it fifty sixty, seventy eighty. Now you should be

500
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,440
able to hit at all those distances. So I mean

501
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,480
for having six, they didn't have lob wedges or rescue.

502
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:59,079
I mean what am I trying to say? Gap wedges

503
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,480
for a long our, gap clubs for a long time. Uh,

504
00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:06,440
and people were able to you know, that's called shot making,

505
00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:10,640
and that gets back to these clubs. You know, the

506
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,720
great players like Hog him he would hit every club

507
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:17,279
in the bag and during a practice round twenty five times,

508
00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:20,960
and he hit them different trajectories, left to right, right

509
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,599
to left, high and low. And he could stand out

510
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:25,799
there and with his whole set of clubs and hit

511
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:28,880
it and hit a green say out about one fifty

512
00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:31,839
one sixty with every club in the bag, including the driver.

513
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:35,640
So he had the ability to speed it up or

514
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,240
slow it down and still make a legitimate swing. And

515
00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:45,519
hit the ball flush. That's what's missing today. Everything is uh.

516
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,000
You know, I hit a seven and one seventy and

517
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:50,240
that's all I hit it. Well, you should be able

518
00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:55,640
to hit it one twenty or one ten. Uh. If

519
00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:58,920
if a person would take the clubs that they have

520
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:03,640
and practice with them and use them for different distances,

521
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,640
you'd be surprised they could literally eliminate some of the

522
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,640
clubs in their bag and still and still be able

523
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,440
to play without any problem.

524
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: You're making a basic assumption that we practice.

525
00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:15,799
Speaker 3: Well.

526
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many people complain about the

527
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,559
fact that they want to be more consistent, but they

528
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:23,799
never practice.

529
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 3: Right, that's right.

530
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,799
Speaker 1: I mean, oh man, if I was only more consistent, well,

531
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,640
what are you doing to work on that?

532
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: Play golf world when best in the world, that's all

533
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:36,720
they do for a living is play golf.

534
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: The keywords there, the keywords for a living. We all

535
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,279
have to do other things.

536
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why. I mean, you can't expect to to

537
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,759
play at the level that they play and not hit

538
00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:53,759
the ball. A number of balls that they hit, I mean,

539
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,039
just not possible. It's just a comfort thing. It's a

540
00:28:57,079 --> 00:29:00,160
mental thing. Really. Uh. When you've hit a lot of ball.

541
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,920
You're storing that in your subconscious mind, and the better

542
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,079
you hit it, the better picture you have in yourn't

543
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:08,960
subconscious mind. Average guy when he goes to play, he

544
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,119
doesn't I mean, he doesn't know what's going to happen

545
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,400
that day, probably within a twenty stroke period. Where the

546
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,720
turing pro, you know, if he has a bad day,

547
00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:21,880
he's going to shoot seventy two or three or four.

548
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:27,000
The average guy who maybe averages let's just say eighty five,

549
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,359
he doesn't know if it's going to be one hundred

550
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:35,920
and twenty ninety five or maybe an eighty. And that's

551
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,640
because because you know, the golf clubs aren't his friends,

552
00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:44,119
because he hasn't hung out with him enough.

553
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I talk about when someone asked,

554
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,960
you know, if I play for money, It's like, No,

555
00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:54,440
I'm competing against too many things that I can't bring

556
00:29:54,519 --> 00:29:56,799
money into the equation as well, because then I'll really

557
00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:58,720
freak out. And one of the things that I feel

558
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,440
like I'm competing against is my golf clubs. I mean,

559
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,720
there's the terrain, there's the weather, there's my head, and

560
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:08,839
then a different club for every shot, different length, and

561
00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:11,359
you know I'm competing against those two.

562
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's the game is we manifest a

563
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:20,559
lot of things, Like the thing when I have a

564
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:22,400
young lady that I teach. I'm not going to use

565
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,440
her name, but she she constantly talks to me about

566
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:29,160
the pressure. And you know, that's a that's something that

567
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,039
we we create because of doubt. There's no such thing

568
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:37,000
as pressure. I mean, the golf hold doesn't know anything

569
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:39,680
about pressure. The golf clubs don't know anything about pressure.

570
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,319
The player is the one that is putting a value

571
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,200
on the shot that doesn't need to be put on it.

572
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,079
You know, I got one hundred and fifty yard shot

573
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:51,880
to a green. I've got a club I select, and

574
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,519
if I make a decent swing, I should be able

575
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:57,640
to put it on that green. But now if I

576
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,920
don't get it on that green, I may lose the tournament.

577
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,839
Or if I hit in that bump or hitting the water,

578
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,079
these are all perceptions, and that's what as a coach,

579
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:10,880
that's what I'm always trying to explain to my players

580
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,799
that there is no such thing as pressure. When the

581
00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:16,480
flag goes up, it's no different. The golf course didn't change,

582
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:18,880
the ball didn't change. The only thing that changes is

583
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,680
your mindset. See so in trying to be a good golfer,

584
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,200
you have to work on that aspect too. And of

585
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:30,400
course the more that you practice and the more good

586
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,119
shots that you see, the better chance you have of

587
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,680
having a good image as you stand up to that

588
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,960
ball getting ready to strike into a target.

589
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:43,519
Speaker 1: Was playing yesterday with some guys and one of them

590
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,599
drove the green with a flag in the back and

591
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,599
left himself.

592
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,799
Speaker 2: About a twelve foot putt for eagle.

593
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,319
Speaker 1: He had more pressure on him than the rest of

594
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,799
us did because we were, you know, putting for par

595
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:04,000
or bogie, and he was putty that all the pressure

596
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:06,039
was on him, not the three pot.

597
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,839
Speaker 3: Well, but to see, there you go, it's a twelve

598
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:14,240
foot putt, right, It hasn't changed. It's a twelve foot putt.

599
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:17,160
But it's how it's how we deal with it. If

600
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,720
it's a twelve foot putt for a triple bogie, the

601
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,319
chances are probably better to make it than if it's

602
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:24,400
a twelve foot putt for an eagle. And yet it's

603
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,200
still a twelve foot putt. But again it becomes you know,

604
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,759
it's it's there's a value associated with it and and

605
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:34,599
that's where we get into trouble in this game, if

606
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,680
you could. But we're but we have emotions and that

607
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:39,880
you know, it's easy for me to say that. But

608
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,759
we have emotions and and we we have pride, and

609
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:45,559
we have ego, and we have all these things that

610
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:49,400
we have to deal with. So, but there is no

611
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,480
such thing as pressure. That's a that's a manifestation of

612
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:57,240
our mind where we perceive things that are things. This

613
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,640
is more valuable than that. I want to be able

614
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,720
to tell her everybody Eagle as whole, and so you

615
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:06,400
know this, this becomes a more difficult than the twelve

616
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,640
foot putt is. But who knows that button? If I

617
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:14,440
if I knew how to press that button, we wouldn't

618
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,920
be talking, you know, I'd be in the Caribbean in

619
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:23,640
a big ship or something. You know. Yeah, that's the

620
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:27,039
constant dilemma that we all face as players. But I

621
00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:29,480
mean the reality of it, there is no there is

622
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:33,039
no such thing as pressure. It's just perception. You know.

623
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: Well, I would think that a twelve foot putt for eagle,

624
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:41,640
for an amateur, the guy's in his head going, I

625
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,480
gotta make this putt.

626
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: I have to make this I have to make this pot.

627
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: Well, he's doomed, right, But on the professional level, a

628
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:54,920
twelve foot putt for eagle to win, it's a difference.

629
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,880
I mean, you're saying, he's not going I have to

630
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,480
make this putt. I have to make this putt.

631
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:03,559
Speaker 3: Well, I think professionals have a little better idea of

632
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,160
what what is the percentage of makes with a twelve

633
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,599
foot poot on tour? And if I think, if you,

634
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:14,000
if you look at statistics, you know they don't make

635
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:17,440
every one of them for sure. I would probably say

636
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,079
that you've got maybe a forty percent chance of making it.

637
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,559
If you hit ten balls on the twelve foot putt,

638
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:27,880
you probably make six or or or four. But it's

639
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,960
a lot the percentage is a lot higher. And that's

640
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,440
another thing I tell my boys. Look, if you got

641
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,760
a twenty footer, know that that's that's a low number

642
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,280
percentage on tour to make for sure, So relax a

643
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,519
little bit, put a put a good rule on it.

644
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,719
And if you if you don't three putt it, if

645
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,239
you roll it up there close, you sometimes make it, bravo.

646
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,000
But if you don't make it and you get it

647
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:53,800
up by the whole, good job. And tapping the putt

648
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,880
go to the next hole. You've got to be realistic

649
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,880
about puts. I mean, I've had I've had boys on

650
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,280
my team that miss a fifty footter and you know,

651
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,079
they'll live it out and they'll go crazy. Is it

652
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:05,880
what you what? Are you insane? Do you think you're

653
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,719
gonna make a fifty footer every time?

654
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 2: You know?

655
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: But that but.

656
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: When you get that close. But I mean, like when

657
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:15,119
it lips out at from fifty feet, of course.

658
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,599
Speaker 1: You're going to like, oh I wish that would have

659
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:19,280
gone in, but you should laugh, could laugh.

660
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 3: Holy Mack Holmes made that thing, you see. It's the

661
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,280
way you look at it, you know. Jordan Speed, I

662
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,199
mean he's like a wizard. I've never seen anybody make

663
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,360
long pusses many times as he does and when he misses.

664
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,639
But you can't fall apart at the seams as something

665
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:38,840
that's unrealistic. I mean you just can't. And I think

666
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,679
the better the better players handle it differently. They'll they'll

667
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,000
smile to themselves with a little wry smile. God almost

668
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:49,719
made that, But they're not beating themselves up because they

669
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,320
missed it. And I mean, you just have to be

670
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,679
a lunatic to think that. But young people, especially young people,

671
00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:00,920
they think that everything is makeable and when you miss it, disappointment.

672
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,079
But not always. You know, if you've got a thirty

673
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:05,719
or forty footer and you're roll it up there a

674
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,360
couple of feet from the whole, good job and chapp

675
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,880
it and go to the next hole. But again, I

676
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,840
think that the unqualified player, the high handicap player, or

677
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,360
the mid handicap player, or even the scratch player, we

678
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,519
have a different view of things than the guy that's

679
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:26,400
on the tour playing.

680
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:35,079
Speaker 1: I think that you and you talk about young people

681
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:38,920
today and getting upset about missing fifty foot putts. You

682
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:42,079
probably don't play golf video games, do you, Tony, because

683
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:43,440
they make those all the time.

684
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 3: No, I don't. I try to stay away from that

685
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:50,440
me too, because I have had a personality that that's

686
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,199
all I'd be doing.

687
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,559
Speaker 2: I want to get into the long irons.

688
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,079
Speaker 1: You talked about the seven iron and the different shots

689
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:00,920
that you can have with the seven iron. I know,

690
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:03,119
for me one of the shots that I like to

691
00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:05,280
practice a lot. I'm about one hundred and forty five

692
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,480
with my seven iron. And the fact the fact that

693
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,440
you said one hundred and eighty just blows my mind.

694
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: But so I'm about one hundred and forty five.

695
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: But I also know that where I play, how often

696
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,079
I play, where I play, there's a lot of trees,

697
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:22,920
and so there a shot that I have to have

698
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,920
in my bag is to be able to punch it

699
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,079
back out to the fairway and keep it under the branches.

700
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:30,119
Speaker 2: And so for me, I can do.

701
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: A seventy yard or one hundred yard shot with my

702
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:37,400
seven iron just letting it roll out, just you know,

703
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:40,079
punching it out, so that that is definitely one of

704
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:44,360
those shots that I practice. So let's talk about long

705
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,760
irons and other things you can do other than just

706
00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:49,840
you know, being on the driving range and hit ball

707
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,159
after ball after ball, How far, how straight can I

708
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:54,599
hit it? What other things can I do to take

709
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:55,679
my game to the next level.

710
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: Well, when it comes when it comes to a club

711
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,679
more than a six iron, when it comes to five, four,

712
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,960
three two, possibly one, the first thing I say is

713
00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:11,320
take those clubs and throw them in the garbage and

714
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,760
go get yourself some rescue clubs that have the same numbers,

715
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:21,599
because it's a different world getting a three iron two

716
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,639
iron up in the air high enough to where when

717
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:26,960
it comes down on the green it's going to stay.

718
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:31,079
Is really difficult, takes a lot of strength, and it's

719
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:34,239
a much harder club to hit than if you get

720
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:39,840
a three rescue or a two rescue or whatever those

721
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,559
kinds of shots are. It's hard to have a lot

722
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:46,480
of shots with a long iron, you know, but you can.

723
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,039
You can do a little bit more with the rescue club.

724
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,599
The width of the bottom of the club, you can

725
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:54,840
get it out of higher grass. You can't do that

726
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,639
with a hozzled club like a two iron or three iron.

727
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:02,920
There's no way. But that's why the pros in the

728
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,599
past when they got the ball and heavy rough, they

729
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:07,960
had to use their forward or five wood. But now

730
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:13,679
that these rescue clubs are just unbelievable. But there's not

731
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,239
much you could do with those kinds of shots. There's

732
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,840
two hundred yard shots or one hundred and eight yard shots,

733
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,800
depending on how far you hit a ball. But for me,

734
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,599
I hit my three rescue about two hundred yards, sometimes

735
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:32,119
too ten. But that number two is what I'm selecting

736
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:34,639
because I always leave a little bit, a little bit

737
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:37,719
for error. But there's not much you can do with them.

738
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,159
Mean hopefully you can. You don't have too many of

739
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:42,679
those shots per around, really, because it would make a

740
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:43,159
long day.

741
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:48,679
Speaker 2: Yes it would. I'm just curious. Are you playing Tailor

742
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:49,360
made clubs?

743
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:57,079
Speaker 3: No? Actually, somebody turned me onto it's called called Xxio.

744
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,679
It's it's the Japanese brand carried by shricks On. And

745
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,360
they're expensive as hell, I will tell you that, but

746
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,760
they're the best clubs I've played in a long long time,

747
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,000
especially the rescue clubs. The Driver and the Farrow, the

748
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,239
three Would three Would has always been a tough club

749
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,800
for me off of a tight line, and these these clubs,

750
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,199
I don't know what it is about them, but it

751
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,159
gets the ball up in the air really easy. So

752
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:24,440
I'm at that age. Anything I can do to make

753
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,599
it easier, I'll go for it, right.

754
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,079
Speaker 1: No, the reason I was asking is because I think

755
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:32,519
that Taylor Made was one of the first to bring

756
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:35,400
out that club, and they called it a rescue club.

757
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,960
I think that's a brand name rescue, But they're actually

758
00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:41,400
referred to as hybrids.

759
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: Is that what a hybrid is?

760
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:50,519
Speaker 3: Yeah? Hybrid or like my exxiosis is U four U five?

761
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: Uh?

762
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,679
Speaker 3: You know, everybody has her way, but that I like

763
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,639
res too, because that really describes it to me when

764
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:01,559
you put if I had to pull out a four

765
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,360
iron today, I would need to be rescued, believe me.

766
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing how it cuts through long grass like butter.

767
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,519
On those clubs, it really makes a huge difference.

768
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: They put the CG on the golf club, center gravity

769
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,519
on the golf club. On these new clubs, it just

770
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:20,280
gets that ball up in the air really easy. And

771
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:22,199
you know that's what that's what you fight. As you

772
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:25,079
get older, you get slower, you get weaker. So the

773
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:27,039
shots is you could get up in the air like Nicholas.

774
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:29,400
You know they said that Nicholas could hit a one

775
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,000
iron the heights of an eight iron. Wow, what a

776
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:37,039
huge bandage that is. But it takes tremendous strengths to

777
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:37,960
do that, right.

778
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: So let's move on to the what used to be

779
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,239
called fairway woods, and now they're called fairway drivers or

780
00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:49,920
fairway metals because nobody makes a wood anymore.

781
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: What do you use use them for?

782
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: How many? You know you carry two of them? The

783
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,039
advantage of having multiple ones and you know what is

784
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:03,119
the best thing we can do to again take our

785
00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:05,079
game to the next level with those clubs.

786
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:10,039
Speaker 3: Well, the farawayods are very important because they put you

787
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:13,000
on the par fives. They put you in a position

788
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:18,199
to where you can hit a somewhat easy third shot,

789
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,639
where it's in your sweet spot area where you let's

790
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:26,360
say your wedge or dine iron. The fairwayds are important,

791
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,639
and a lot of times it's best to use a

792
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,719
farrwood off the tee on a lot of holes. The

793
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,679
distance difference isn't that? Isn't that? Why? Now you know?

794
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,320
I have again with a lot of my players, I say, look,

795
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,199
this hole doesn't call for a drive. You don't need

796
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,719
that distance. You can put the ball in a position

797
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,639
where you have a fairly easy shot and then you

798
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:53,440
don't run the risk of you know, hiding in the

799
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,480
trees or whatever. But a lot of people are stuck

800
00:42:56,519 --> 00:42:58,480
on that driver. They pull that driver out no matter

801
00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:00,239
what the distance of the hole, or no matter matter

802
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,039
how narrow it is. So the fairway woods can be

803
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:06,159
used off the fairway, but they can also be used

804
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:10,039
off the tee. And I wouldn't hit I would I

805
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:12,159
would be using my treewood most of the time when

806
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:14,119
I was opting. When I said, okay, I'm not going

807
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:17,239
to use my driver on this hole. But there are

808
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,079
times that I watch on the tour where the guys

809
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,880
are using iron off the tee. Of course they hit

810
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,159
an iron a lot farther than the average player. But

811
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,280
the point is is that in managing yourself around the

812
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,159
golf course, you you have to look at the hole

813
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,719
and appraise, Okay, where do I want to hit it

814
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:36,559
or do not want to hit it? Okay? And then

815
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:40,079
what's the what's the club I can use to get

816
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:44,039
somewhere in that area? Because the woods are just to

817
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:46,920
set the hole up. You're not going to drive the green.

818
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:50,719
So twenty yards or whatever between the driver and the

819
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,559
three wood isn't that that's significant? But unfortunately everything is

820
00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:59,280
stressed today about distance and not shot making. I think

821
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,960
a lot of play a lot of people that play

822
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,320
the game would be better off not using their driver

823
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,719
as much as they do and putting the ball in

824
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,400
play and then and then on the second shot on

825
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,039
a par five, for a lot of good players, they'd

826
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:16,159
be much smarter to hit an iron up there within

827
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,039
you know that sixty seventy yard range and then throw

828
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:22,320
that thing up on the green. Even Sam Steed, who

829
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,679
is a long driver in his Day said, if I

830
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,559
can't hit a high lofted club on the second shot

831
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:32,159
on a drive on a par five, I'll hit an

832
00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:35,639
iron into my wedge area. That's the way you play

833
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:41,440
the game. But you know we're seduced by not on

834
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:43,679
a par five and two. You know when you're young

835
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,000
enough to do it, and the ball's coming in too low.

836
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:49,840
If it hits the green, it's going to go to

837
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,199
the back of the green, So you're going to be

838
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:54,400
looking at a long putt and now you've got to

839
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,559
try to two putt for that birdie. And if your

840
00:44:56,559 --> 00:44:59,320
three putt, it really demoralizes you. Where if you not

841
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,559
get up there with a wedge, you got a good

842
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:04,039
chance to hit a ten to fifteen feet good chance

843
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:07,119
to make that putt. So it's just a different mindset.

844
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:09,559
And these are the things that you have to do

845
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:12,679
to keep the round going mentally. You don't want a

846
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,639
lot of up and downs emotionally, and you put yourself

847
00:45:16,639 --> 00:45:19,920
in that position when you try to hit those I

848
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:22,079
hope I can get this on in two. You know,

849
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,440
that's where the ego gets involved, and that's what you

850
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:25,199
got to eliminate.

851
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,559
Speaker 1: I know that many times that if say on a

852
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:37,719
par five especially, you can really use strategy to your

853
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,920
advantage here because of that extra shot that you're given.

854
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: So that if my.

855
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: Drive on a par five is leaves me three hundred

856
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:54,119
yards out, instead of trying to pull out my fairway metal,

857
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,719
my forewood and try to get it, you know, listen

858
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,880
it's three hundred yards out and be able to reach it.

859
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,079
But then I'm gonna leave myself a sixty yard shot,

860
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:05,320
a forty yard shot.

861
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: I'm not as comfortable with those.

862
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: I'd rather take my nine iron and hit it twice,

863
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:12,920
then get close to the pin in three, then try

864
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,280
to get there in two and not and come up

865
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,719
short and then have that awkward distance in the middle there.

866
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no question about it. Those shots where you

867
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:25,800
say the thirty and forty yard shots, those are really

868
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,239
difficult shots. Even the crows, they're not easy shots. Time

869
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,280
you're having a you know, not take a full swing,

870
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:37,880
it becomes a little bit more difficult. And those little

871
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,280
tender wedges are tougher than heck. Yeah, So that you know,

872
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,480
you just watch watch the good players play and you

873
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,639
go to see that their strategy is a lot different

874
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:53,599
than the average guy. The average guy swinging from his

875
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:56,440
you know, from his toes to hit as far as

876
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,960
he can hit out every club, which is you know, borline.

877
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:01,400
I'm being a little nuts.

878
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:05,119
Speaker 1: And the same thing that what you had talked about

879
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,760
is using a fairway wood off the tee, fairway metal

880
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,360
fairway driver off the tee on holes that either have

881
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:17,159
narrow fairways or aren't as long. Again, I don't want

882
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:20,800
to get too close and make it a difficult second shot.

883
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,480
I want to be in the range of what I

884
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:26,159
think is a good shot for me, like one and ten,

885
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:29,559
one hundred and twenty five yard shot. I'm real confident

886
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:32,039
with those, far more than I am with a forty.

887
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:34,760
So I'll take that fairway wood off the tee.

888
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: Sure. And even if sometimes look even if sometimes it's

889
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,239
a long hole, but there's a lot of problems that

890
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,400
the designer put on the hole. They put in a

891
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,519
lot of big fairway bunkers that are hard to get

892
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:51,360
out of. They put they put water, they put out

893
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,480
of bounds. It's still sometimes even though it's still a

894
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:57,760
long hole and you're not going to be able to

895
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,760
get on in two, you got to go ahead and

896
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,760
saw all that bitter pill and put that thing in play.

897
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:06,280
And then get hit another shot and keep it in

898
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,000
play and then trust your wedge, your putter. The worst

899
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,280
thing is gonna happen. You're gonna walk away with a bogie,

900
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,320
but you're going to eliminate that big number by trying

901
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,280
to stretch out because the hole is long without looking

902
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,960
at the factors that are involved at that in the designer,

903
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:23,920
you know, and he set that up for you to

904
00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:26,159
come on, hit that driver body. That's what I want

905
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:28,639
you to do. Uh, you know, like it's like a

906
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:31,840
sucker pin. You use your head when you play right.

907
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,639
Speaker 2: You know what we call that, Tony, what's said, golf smarter.

908
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: Golf smarter. That's exactly right. No, it's true. I mean

909
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,039
I think I think there's a hole in the Masters

910
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:46,599
that Hogan always purposely hit to the right of the

911
00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:49,119
hole or right of the green, just at on the

912
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:52,159
fringe and then chipped up and putted. And they always said,

913
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:54,960
why do you do this? Because this hole if you

914
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,480
if you hit the wrong side of the green, it's

915
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,960
going to kick right into the water. So even the

916
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:02,800
great Hogan really mastered hitting the ball, he had a

917
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,840
strategy sometimes where he swallowed that bitter pill because he wanted.

918
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:12,440
He wanted to eliminate the big number, and you got

919
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,239
to do that when you play the game, and it's

920
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,880
like a chess game, it's not all about four. Sometimes

921
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,039
you have to have a little finesse.

922
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: Let's wrap it up with the driver, and I'll start

923
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,840
with that one I have. I don't like to just

924
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,760
walk onto a golf course and tee off. I really need,

925
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,960
in my mind my metal preparation. I need an hour

926
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:40,360
to hit balls, to practice short game, a bunch of

927
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,440
shots in the short game, very few shots with a driver,

928
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,159
very few shots with.

929
00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 2: My long my fairway metal.

930
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: But I'll spend a lot more time on short game

931
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,800
stuff when I'm warming up. But when I do take

932
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,079
out the driver, instead of taking full swings with it,

933
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,880
I'll try to swing so easy that I only hit

934
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,480
one hundred yards or one hundred and fifty, but try

935
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:06,480
to you know, at a specific target, right at it,

936
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,440
and that allows me to get a rhythm going and

937
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:13,320
put the ball, you know, a short distance and feel

938
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,639
more confident about taking a big swing after that. What

939
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:20,559
would you advise on driver for you know, again for

940
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:23,400
your warm up session or your practice session. That's going

941
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,800
to help your game keep the ball in the fairway.

942
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: So critical with the.

943
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,039
Speaker 3: Driver, Well, you know the old saying, I want to

944
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:35,480
swing fast, but not hard with the driver. The driver

945
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:39,960
is a is a wonderful club, and it's it's and

946
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:42,639
used properly, it's a great tool, but it can be

947
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:46,519
your worst enemy if you're if you're thinking about distance.

948
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,960
Lee Trevino once was talking about playing with Nicholas and

949
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,800
how far Nicholas here it compared to everybody else, And

950
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,639
he says, so when I played with Nicholas, I would

951
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,199
try to try to hit the ball two hundred and

952
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,760
thirty yards off. And when I did that, I hit

953
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,599
it about two seventy's. And I tried to hit it

954
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:08,320
two seventy, I hit it two thirty. And you know,

955
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,079
that's just such great wisdom, because that's that's so much

956
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:13,760
the truth. How many times have we got up on

957
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,079
a par five and it's a long one, so we're

958
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:18,679
going to give it that extra and we throw it

959
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,039
from the top and we get a little steep with it,

960
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:23,039
we pop it straight up in the air like a wedge,

961
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:26,639
or we hit a way right or way left. There's

962
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:30,000
a speed that you have to get used to with

963
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:32,280
the driver, and A lot of it has to do

964
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:37,320
with defocusing on the ball, defocusing on any thought of

965
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,559
hitting and swinging from point A to point B in

966
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:43,079
a rhythm that you can keep your balance. If you

967
00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:44,679
do that with the driver, you're going to keep the

968
00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:47,280
ball in play most of the time. But most people,

969
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,840
you watch them, and they'll swing the driver a lot

970
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,440
harder than they do any club in their bag. That's

971
00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:57,199
the problem with the driver because again the emphasis is

972
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,800
always on distance instead of direction and play that. To me,

973
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,480
the driver is the placement. It sets the hole up

974
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,840
for the next shot. It's not I'm going to hit

975
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:12,280
it into infinity because well no one does that. And

976
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,639
you know, and then you see Rory McElroy or some

977
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,920
of these guys that hit it pretty close to four

978
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,840
hundred yards and you know, we can't wait to get

979
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,280
to the tee to do that. Well, no, you're not

980
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,079
in their category and never will be. You know, you

981
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:31,480
have to play the game based on your game and

982
00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:36,119
not anybody else's. And I highly recommend for anyone listening there,

983
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:40,039
find the speed that you can finish perfectly and hold

984
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:43,679
your follow through position where you're in balance. That's the

985
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,119
speed you should swing the driver and the better you

986
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:49,519
get and you can make it go a little faster

987
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,960
but still be unbalanced. But if you're falling all over

988
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,639
the place, you just winning too hard.

989
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: Phenomenal tip. That is such a fabulous piece of advice.

990
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,280
Oh my god, I'm so happy with that.

991
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: Thank you. That's great.

992
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: I got to end here with a quick anecdote about

993
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,920
my round yesterday. I was playing with these three guys

994
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,519
that are actually around the same age as my younger son,

995
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,199
and one of them, my son wrestled in high school

996
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,960
for four years, and one of the guys that I

997
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:23,480
was playing with wrestled against my son's team, and so

998
00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:26,599
he knew him. And so because I knew that the

999
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:30,239
kid wrestled, it allowed me to, you know, communicate with

1000
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,440
him in a better level.

1001
00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:33,039
Speaker 2: But what I.

1002
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: Noticed in the first three holes four holes, he had

1003
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:43,039
absolutely no hip turn on his swing, and his address

1004
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:47,039
position was pretty much kind of slouchy, shoulders stand straight up,

1005
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,000
so he really wasn't in a ready position, and he

1006
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,000
wasn't doing anything, and.

1007
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: He couldn't get the ball off the ground.

1008
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:56,199
Speaker 1: He was rolling it, he was duffing it, he was

1009
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,840
missing it left and right. So I do not give

1010
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:03,719
advice at swing advice on a golf course.

1011
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:04,559
Speaker 2: I don't do that.

1012
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: And sometimes if I have an observation that might help

1013
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:10,639
on a mental part or a strategic part, I'll do that,

1014
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,079
but I'll stay away from swing mechanics, especially during a round.

1015
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,960
But I said to the guy when I found out

1016
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,440
that he wrestled, I said, where do you get Where

1017
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,079
do you get all your power when you wrestle? And

1018
00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:26,480
he said in your hips?

1019
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 2: And I went, uh huh, and.

1020
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: He kind of looked at me, and I said, you

1021
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,960
don't turn your hips when you're when you're hitting the

1022
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,119
golf ball, and he.

1023
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: Went, oh, my right.

1024
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,199
Speaker 1: I said, what's your ready position when you when you're wrestling?

1025
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,360
And he immediately got into this very athletic position and

1026
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,320
you know, like looking right at me, and I'm going,

1027
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:47,239
uh huh, look at the way your position when you

1028
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,320
you you start off the tee.

1029
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:51,519
Speaker 2: And that point on.

1030
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:54,599
Speaker 1: He played the best golf of his life and broke

1031
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,760
one hundred for one of the I mean the second

1032
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,440
or third time in his life. He was very you see,

1033
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:02,760
and even at the end of the round he says,

1034
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,159
that made that one tip about my hips made all

1035
00:55:05,199 --> 00:55:06,000
the difference for me.

1036
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 3: So you did something there that that good teachers are

1037
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:14,679
able to do. You got him to relate to something

1038
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:17,920
that he could that he does, uh, so that he

1039
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:22,119
could it wasn't foreign to him. Uh And and that's it.

1040
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,320
That was That was great. That was very astudent on

1041
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,960
your part because a lot of people teach, but they're

1042
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,280
more than they're more pontificating than teaching. Uh. And you

1043
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,840
made him really relate to something that he does in

1044
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:38,320
a different sport, but was germane to the sport he

1045
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,519
was playing. So that was great, great, great stuff. You know,

1046
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,320
I played with a lot of fellows that I teach,

1047
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,760
uh and when we're out there playing, you know, they're

1048
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,159
they're trying to show me how good they're doing and

1049
00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:54,320
so forth. And I understand all that because what I've

1050
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,519
played with touring pros, I did the same darn thing.

1051
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,760
But I try to stay away from quick tips other

1052
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,159
than to say you might want to slow it down

1053
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:06,079
a little bit, or you might you know, you might

1054
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:08,000
want to widen your stance a bit. But I don't

1055
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,039
get into too many swing tips because if if they

1056
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,119
overemphasize that they're going to fall apart at the seams,

1057
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:16,880
and then they're going to be looking at you as

1058
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,519
that you ruin my day. They're not going to say it,

1059
00:56:18,519 --> 00:56:20,280
but they're going to feel it. So you have to

1060
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,760
be you have to be careful with tips on the golf,

1061
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,599
of course, But that was real smart on your part.

1062
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I was actually fishing for the compliment.

1063
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,960
I appreciate that.

1064
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,119
Speaker 3: That was because you got him to equate to something else,

1065
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,760
but something that he's comfortable doing. So that's great stuff. Yeah.

1066
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: Well, the first teacher that I ever had in golf,

1067
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:41,840
his first question, and this was huge for me.

1068
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 2: He says, first question was what sports did you play

1069
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:44,360
as a kid?

1070
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: And from that point on he just made me, you know,

1071
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,599
he put it in those terms, you know, of what

1072
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:53,960
what sports that I played, and how I can translate

1073
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,159
that into improving in my golf. And I always thought

1074
00:56:57,159 --> 00:57:00,320
that was an incredibly valuable tool because I all I

1075
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,119
did was ask the kid a question. He fixed it

1076
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:07,440
himself once he realized what it meant in relation to

1077
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:08,119
his golf game.

1078
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: I didn't do a thing. I just made an observation

1079
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:11,760
to him.

1080
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Well, I'll just tell you a real quick story.

1081
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,199
One time I was inside the pro shop. I was

1082
00:57:18,239 --> 00:57:19,960
watching the guy in the range and he pull up

1083
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,920
this beautiful set of Calloway clubs, beautiful bag. I mean,

1084
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,480
he had invested a lot in product. He gets up

1085
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,800
there and watching him and a pretty strong looking guy,

1086
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:33,800
and he was slicing everything, I mean, just sad. And

1087
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,159
I kept watching him, so I thought I can't handle

1088
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:39,000
it anymore. So I went out and I said, let

1089
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,519
me ask you something. Have you ever played baseball? He said, yeah,

1090
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:44,480
I was a really good baseball player. I says, just

1091
00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:47,880
take a club and imagine that you're hitting a little pitch.

1092
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:49,679
How would you how would you hit a low pitch?

1093
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:52,719
And you know, he swung with a kind of a

1094
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:57,519
baseball action, released his hands, released the clubhead, and I said, yeah,

1095
00:57:57,519 --> 00:57:59,480
that's that's pretty good. I said, now, why don't you

1096
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:01,920
treat that golf ball like it's a low pitch? Just God,

1097
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,719
and take a good baseball cut at And of course

1098
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,400
he had a ball there with a little bit of

1099
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,280
a draw, and he looked at me like, you know,

1100
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:14,159
like God has spoken to him. So he little by

1101
00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:16,840
little by little, you can see he was now using

1102
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,599
he was swinging the club in an emotion that he

1103
00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:25,360
was familiar with. And that's really as a boy when

1104
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,800
I first caddied, I caddied so I could make enough

1105
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,639
money to buy clothes for school, and I could play

1106
00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:33,480
baseball pretty good as a young kid. Like a lot

1107
00:58:33,519 --> 00:58:36,440
of young kids, we all played baseball, and that's what

1108
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:40,079
i's Those were my first thoughts. She had a golf ball,

1109
00:58:40,519 --> 00:58:42,320
was just to hit the back of that ball with

1110
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,880
a baseball with a kind of a baseball action, and

1111
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,760
I could clomber the thing right off the bat. I

1112
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:50,519
never I never sliced the ball when I started playing,

1113
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:53,880
because I equated more to baseball. Now. If I had

1114
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,679
been given some formal lessons, I'm sure I would have

1115
00:58:56,719 --> 00:59:01,599
sliced the heck out of the ball. So sometimes those

1116
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:05,519
are the best lessons when you can open up a

1117
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:08,559
guy's or a gal's mind to something that they have

1118
00:59:08,719 --> 00:59:10,880
done in their past when it comes to hit in

1119
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:15,239
the golf, especially women. Gosh, I teach a lot of women,

1120
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,800
and I talked to one, have you ever played baseball?

1121
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,760
Have you played tennis? And then we try to use

1122
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,639
a similar stroke and it works like magic.

1123
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:28,559
Speaker 1: Well, Tony, I don't want to say, I don't want

1124
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:33,360
to equate you with God, but there's something godlike now

1125
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,920
let me finish my sentence. My friend, there is something

1126
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,559
God like about great teachers, and you are.

1127
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 2: A great teacher.

1128
00:59:41,559 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: And I really appreciate you spending so much time with me.

1129
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,880
Every time I call, thank you.

1130
00:59:48,519 --> 00:59:52,559
Speaker 3: Well. I listen. I love your show and I know

1131
00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:56,360
that the listeners to your podcast love your show, and

1132
00:59:56,599 --> 00:59:58,519
to be a small part of it is really an

1133
00:59:58,559 --> 00:59:59,840
honor for me. Believe me.