WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.520 What's up? He then's how y'all do it? I'm the 2 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:06.160 godless engineer, and I just want to tell you that 3 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:09.560 the Christian God cannot exist. He's described as an omniscient, 4 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:14.320 omni benevolent, and omnipotent, the divine creator of everything. Yet 5 00:00:14.439 --> 00:00:18.719 millions of his most devout followers beg him daily to 6 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:22.280 cure their diseases, stop their assaults, and protect their loved ones, 7 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:26.480 and he answers with deafening silence. Children cry out for 8 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:29.280 him to stop their abusers, and he either watches and 9 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:33.320 does nothing, or turns away entirely. If God is omnipotent, 10 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:35.719 then he has the power to answer every one of 11 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:39.520 these prayers. He even said, ask and you shall receive, 12 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:45.320 receive what exactly a silent rejection, a resounding no. If 13 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:47.799 this God is good all the time, and all the time, 14 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:51.079 this God is good, then this God simply cannot exist, 15 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:55.159 because a good God wouldn't watch needless suffering. He has 16 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:58.200 the power to stop. There is no argument to save 17 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:01.759 God from this contradiction and character. If you disagree with 18 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:05.000 the sentiment, then call in, because the show starts now. 19 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:17.640 All right, Welcome everybody. Today is April nineteenth, twenty twenty six, 20 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:21.680 and I'm your host, Scott. This engineer John and joining 21 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:24.560 me right now is Scott Dicky. Hey, there's Scott. 22 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:26.599 How you doing doing great? Doing great? How are you 23 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:27.079 doing today? 24 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:30.079 Yeah, I'm doing all right. You know, it's a pretty 25 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:34.719 pleasant Sunday. You know, woke up late and just sort 26 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:36.799 of chilled out until right now. 27 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:39.439 Oh, I got a many way to do Sunday, by 28 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:40.359 the way, that's the way. 29 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:43.079 Yeah, I know that it is the way. I did 30 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:46.159 get a manny petty. I didn't get my nails painted 31 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:50.879 this time, but you know, Sunday, Yeah, every other Sunday 32 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:53.719 I go and I get a manny petty because that's 33 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:55.200 just you know, healing for me. 34 00:01:55.840 --> 00:02:01.400 But man do what you gotta do. 35 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:04.799 Yeah, But I do want to remind everybody that the 36 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:07.959 Atheist Experiences a product of the Atheist Community of Austin, 37 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:11.159 a five oh one c three nonprofit organization dedicated to 38 00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:14.240 the promotion of atheism, critical thinking, secular humanism, and the 39 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:18.479 separation of religion and government. We are try streaming today, 40 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:20.719 so a big shout out to our viewers over on 41 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.479 TikTok and YouTube mobile. If you are watching us on 42 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:26.159 TikTok right now, and you'd like to talk to us, 43 00:02:26.360 --> 00:02:28.520 then request to join and we'll bring you up on 44 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:31.639 the stage. Please make sure that you are over eighteen 45 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:34.319 years of age before doing so, or we will have 46 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:40.280 to drop you like a bad habit. All right, Uh 47 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:43.520 so let's see. I do believe that we actually have 48 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:47.919 a call already screened in. You want you good to 49 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:48.800 take a call already? 50 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:51.599 Let's dive right in. Let's just go in feet first. 51 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:55.520 Here, all right. So, just to remind everybody over there, 52 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:58.400 on all the platforms, you can call in to challenge 53 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:02.360 us today by calling five one two nine nine one 54 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:04.840 nine two four to two or hitting up that link 55 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:08.759 tiny dot c c Ford slash call axph if you 56 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:12.719 would like to challenge us on how how God cannot exist. 57 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:17.280 So we're gonna talk to Steph all right from Canada. 58 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:19.319 What's up that, Steph? How you doing? 59 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:23.680 A Fella's nice to see you. I could be better 60 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:25.879 as a little too much more for my liking, but 61 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:29.759 you know, it's a good Sunday afternoon for some dialogue. 62 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:34.639 I suppose, yep, I totally agree. So what would I 63 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:36.159 talk about today? 64 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:39.960 I think maybe I think maybe just the definition of 65 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:42.080 God might be a good place to start. 66 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.599 Okay, what's your definition of God? 67 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:56.120 That's kind of where I wanted to start with. Actually, 68 00:03:56.240 --> 00:04:00.680 what it is that the atheist position says does not exist? 69 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:04.120 I mean, if I'm to say, you know, there's no table, 70 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:07.360 then I would define a table as such, and then 71 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:11.240 I'd say I've done such and such processes to find 72 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.199 this table. We can see there's no table. And so 73 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:19.040 that's where I'm kind of curious about the atheist position. 74 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:24.720 What So, the atheist position is just that we are 75 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:28.000 not convinced that a God does exist, and that it's 76 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:31.199 for every definition of what God could be. If you're 77 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:34.079 gonna do the Jordan Peterson thing where you distill it 78 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:37.199 down to just literally anything can be labeled a God, 79 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:40.439 then there's really no conversation to be had, right because 80 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:43.439 you're just defining God in and out of existence, and 81 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:47.079 that's not an interesting conversation. That's why I started off with, 82 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:50.199 maybe you could define God for us, like what do 83 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:52.639 you consider to be a God? That way we can 84 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:55.399 tell you why we are not convinced by that definition, 85 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:58.120 or maybe it will convince us. Maybe you'll turn us 86 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:01.759 into some kind of you know, religious today. 87 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:05.120 Well said, I'm glad you added that last cave yet, 88 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:07.160 because it's very important. I think people look at at 89 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:10.519 shows like this and the different positions be a fist, 90 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:16.639 be an atheist, and philosophers are quickly written off because 91 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:20.600 they've got this dogmatic fundamentalism, you know. And and so 92 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:22.480 I like how you added that last part that your 93 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:26.439 mind is open to being changed. And actually on that point, 94 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:28.319 like a lot of people don't think about it, but 95 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:32.040 if let's just imagine ten years in the future, you know, 96 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:34.439 we're looking at this show and you guys are like 97 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:38.240 the used to be atheist experience, and you guys who. 98 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:39.680 We're actually convinced and we're. 99 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:43.639 Given compelling insight and evidence. Let's face it, there's a 100 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:48.839 monetary interest in you guys, particularly you guys, I think 101 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:51.839 you're one of the biggest probably names out there, whatever, uh, 102 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:55.879 in changing your position, because then every atheist would be like, well, 103 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:57.879 what are they saying, why have they changed their what 104 00:05:57.959 --> 00:05:58.720 are they looking at? 105 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:00.480 That would make them now. 106 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:03.079 Not be atheists? And likewise, of course the thests would 107 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:06.120 all flock here as well, like huh, yeah, see, now 108 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:08.120 let's look at this again. You know, it would be 109 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:11.920 it would be monetarily advantageous for you guys to change 110 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:14.920 the position, not only on monetary basis, but also on 111 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:18.040 the uh natural born scientist basis. 112 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:18.480 Uh. 113 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:22.839 To change your mind would be uh proof that you're 114 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:25.000 not dogmatic that you are. 115 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.199 Maybe if we're a little less scrupulous, then you're you're 116 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:30.600 saying that we could there's an opportunity there for us 117 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:34.199 to flip and make a ton of cash. 118 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:37.199 Yeah, so so, I mean, I mean, obviously it looks 119 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:39.800 like goodness. That would be a great thing to to 120 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:41.600 see and and and like I say too, it would 121 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:44.480 prove stuff, it would prove scientific. 122 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:48.040 I appreciate, I totally appreciate the pats on the back 123 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:51.920 for us being agnostic like in general about God. But 124 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:53.759 maybe we could get to your definition. 125 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:56.160 Yeah, sure, Yeah. 126 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:59.240 It's it's very it's very clinical. Actually a lot a 127 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:01.079 lot of people, you know, I called it last weeks 128 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:03.399 here I noticed maybe five minutes at the end or whatever. 129 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:07.680 But it's it's basically in the question of do you 130 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:10.920 believe that God exists? Do you believe that that is 131 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:16.199 true or not? And it's funny because that word true 132 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:22.120 contains the literal ingredients of God. That's God, that word 133 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:25.800 exists because of God. We're here to view that word 134 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:27.720 because so true. 135 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:31.959 So I hold on steph. So, So I define true 136 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:34.680 as something that like if something is true, if some 137 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:38.759 statement is true, or or something is considered to be true, 138 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:42.040 I consider that to be comporting with reality, meaning that 139 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:46.399 it represents reality in a factual way that helps me 140 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:51.000 navigate reality. Right, So what what about God? What about 141 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:53.120 your Because you haven't given us a definition for one, 142 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:57.160 For two, I don't know in what way a God 143 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:01.279 could be seen as being as being the reason why 144 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:04.480 truth exists. Maybe you could lay that out for us. 145 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:08.560 Yeah, that the active the active ingredient you said the 146 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:12.439 word you said, the word reality right there. That that 147 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:16.040 would be a very close This is of course a 148 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:20.600 particular context of life in this universal locale. 149 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.000 But are you equating God with reality or God with 150 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:27.040 truth or are you saying that those are just not 151 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:32.000 characteristics that pop up after Sorry, go ahead, good question. 152 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:37.679 Yeah, certainly, no, very very good question. Not exclusively those, Uh, 153 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:39.679 this is this is God we're talking about. But it's 154 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:44.440 very critical that we're not gonna attempt to put God 155 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:49.559 in a side of a box and uh, projected definition 156 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:54.519 that is much too small for for God to exist 157 00:08:54.639 --> 00:09:01.440 within wherein just by mystifying the word, we've effectively called 158 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:05.240 our idea of God impossible. I mean, that's that's foolish, 159 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:08.759 that's not science, that's not real. You know I'm talking. Yeah, 160 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:11.200 but that would be one of them, yes, and it's 161 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:15.399 there's there's other synonyms as well. Love would be actually 162 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:16.120 the first one. 163 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:19.639 Okay, But love and reality are different, so they're they're 164 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:22.120 they're not synonyms of the same thing. They might be, 165 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:25.240 they might be contributing to part of that definition, but 166 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:28.399 they don't mean the same thing. Love and reality and 167 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:30.759 truth are all different things. 168 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:36.360 Yeah, just as water, ice and steam are different things, 169 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:37.000 but they're all. 170 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:41.720 No, they're different in a much more significant way. Water, 171 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:44.559 ice and steam are all still water. They're just in 172 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:47.440 a different phase. Is that what you're saying, Truth, Reality, 173 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:49.799 and God are all the same thing, just in a 174 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:52.679 different phase. Because if that's what you're saying, I think 175 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:54.240 we're gonna need a little bit more from you on that. 176 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:59.080 Well, let's dig in and I can even continue a 177 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:02.559 few more too, because it it's not just love, truth. 178 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:04.840 No, no, no, So so hold on, let's let's let's stick 179 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:06.440 with your claims here about truth? 180 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:07.080 Uh? 181 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:07.519 Love? 182 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:09.879 And I don't know did did you say beauty? I 183 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:10.759 kind of got lost? 184 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:14.919 Uh no, no, I did the word salad? All right? 185 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:18.240 Okay, So so truth? How does so? How does God 186 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:22.960 ground truth? Uh? Let's start there, like like how does 187 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:24.200 God factor into truth? 188 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:24.399 Why? 189 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:27.120 Why is it that truth only exists because God exists? 190 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:27.279 Like? 191 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:28.799 What can you build that bridge for me? 192 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:29.879 Well? 193 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:32.919 That is God? That that is that is God. 194 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:35.879 But I know that's just that. Hold on, hold on, 195 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:38.919 that's just definitional word salad. There, that's a it's a 196 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:40.440 it means nothing. 197 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:44.360 Well, there's a few more because meaning is actually one 198 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:46.279 of them as well. I just did know was there 199 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:48.840 six or seven? I just just give me one second 200 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:50.519 here a game like I I just want to make 201 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:52.679 the point here here it is you can't even write 202 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:58.679 it down. We've got love, truth, right, life, We've got innocence, 203 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:07.120 we've got information, meaning, and person. I'm seeing those are 204 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:09.399 all synonymous, and I'm seeing they're not. 205 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:12.799 Those are different concepts. 206 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:18.080 Yeah, I mean we see frozen water, evaporating water, right, 207 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:19.799 liquid water water? 208 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:23.960 I can yeah, we can show you how that how 209 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.360 they're all water. We can look at an ice cube 210 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.399 and we can break it down, and we can, you know, 211 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.000 with a strong enough microscope, we can even start seeing 212 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:34.279 what's the structure of it. Okay, so you need to 213 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:35.799 do the same thing. So how do we how do 214 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.840 we show that life, truth, love, innocence, information, meaning, and 215 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:43.919 person not only not only are they somehow synonyms of 216 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:46.360 each other, but also synonyms with God? Is it okay? 217 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.320 I appreciate you, Scott, Yes, thank you. The first The 218 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:52.240 first way I would look at it with with would 219 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.519 actually it's it's actually a big part of that would 220 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:57.919 be let's let's talk about information. I know a long 221 00:11:57.960 --> 00:11:59.679 time agoing I's first. 222 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:01.799 Well, why don't you start with truth? What Ge was 223 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:03.639 asking about? Why don't we start with that? You brought 224 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:06.679 that up first? How is the fact? So Ge was 225 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:10.200 saying truth to him, and I would agree with him. 226 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:14.720 Truth is simply a correspondence of a statement with reality. 227 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:17.279 If there are two eggs on the table there, and 228 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:19.960 I say there are two eggs on the table, there 229 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.759 is a correspondence with the statement that I'm making with 230 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:26.320 with with the physical reality of the table in front 231 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:29.279 of me, And you're saying, are you saying that that 232 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:32.399 is God? Or that is an aspect of God or 233 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:34.759 you're going to need you have a lot of connecting disease. 234 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:38.480 I'll get there, don't worry. I mean, I've been on 235 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:40.759 this for decades. I haven't called in yet, you know, 236 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:42.759 I've kept my mouth shut until. 237 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:43.600 I had something to say. 238 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:47.720 And now, after decades of taking this matter seriously, I've 239 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:50.320 called in because I now have something to say. 240 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:53.240 So then stop saying that you have something to say 241 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:56.360 and say it. Right, Let's hear it, let's hear it. 242 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:57.519 I want to hear. I want to hear what you 243 00:12:57.519 --> 00:12:57.960 have to say. 244 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:02.200 I love that you want to hear. You can see 245 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:06.480 the similarity between information, misinformation, truth and lie? 246 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:09.519 Do you see those those connections. 247 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:12.200 There between because you said, don't do information, do truth? 248 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:16.639 But for information it really just explains truth because I 249 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:18.519 mean the same thing the same way. But i'd like 250 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:21.120 to but you see the similarity between information misinformation? 251 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:22.200 Right? 252 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:22.600 No? 253 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:25.799 No, no, So so what may I mean? I guess 254 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:29.840 in a in a tangential way, truth, you know matters 255 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:34.759 because like something that is informational should comport with reality, 256 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:40.159 which would be characterized as truth. Right, but uh, like information, 257 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:44.159 you haven't defined information like we've defined truth you haven't 258 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:46.600 defined information, but I would really like to stick on 259 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:51.320 truth because like, all I've heard is ad hoc claims 260 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:53.679 so far. Do you know what an ad hoc claim is? 261 00:13:55.320 --> 00:13:56.200 Hold on, don't. 262 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:57.559 Don't tell you this? 263 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:00.720 Yes, can you tell me? Can you tell me what 264 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:02.000 ad hoc that hawk is? 265 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:05.039 That means what is kind of a thing as as 266 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:05.639 I go along? 267 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:07.679 No no, no, no no no no no, that's not 268 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:10.039 what ad hoc means. At ad hoc means that in 269 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:14.919 this particular context, at hawk means that it's unsupported. Like 270 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:18.960 it's just a claim, right, So your claim is God 271 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:19.960 is truth? 272 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:21.840 Okay, unsupported? Unsupported? 273 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:25.440 Okay, yep, right, it's unsupported. So now can you please 274 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:30.159 support that with some kind of like indication that God 275 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:30.840 is truth? 276 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:36.840 Sure? And it starts with the the the challenge, the 277 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:42.000 I'm sorry my memory, I have a little bit of 278 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:45.840 a brain damage, uh for memory wise, it's called like 279 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:50.919 the complexity problem of complexity right where it's said like, hey, 280 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:52.519 you know, if you're willing to say that of God 281 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:55.799 made youth, and you also have to explain what made 282 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:56.480 this God? 283 00:14:57.039 --> 00:14:57.159 Right? 284 00:14:57.200 --> 00:14:59.039 I mean that makes that makes sense? You know, I 285 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:01.360 think you got are familiar with it is. That's called 286 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:02.960 problem of complexity. 287 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:06.440 Problem, problem of complexity? No, what can you can you 288 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:07.279 restate it again? 289 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:10.919 If if if you claim that God made you, then 290 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.200 tell me what made your God? What's that called? 291 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:14.720 Oh? 292 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:15.279 Uh? 293 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:18.159 No, that would be like an infinite regress. And that's 294 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:21.039 kind of a malformed version of it, of of the 295 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:24.840 problem of like infinite God's creating each other. Like typically 296 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:28.679 apologists will form it in the way of saying, like, 297 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:32.120 you know, well, everything that comes into existence in this 298 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:35.039 universe had to be created by something, and so like, 299 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:37.399 if God exists in in this universe in some kind 300 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:40.120 of way, then God needed to be created. So what 301 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:43.200 God created that God? And then if that God existing 302 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:45.000 in just infinite. 303 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:48.320 Regress in the in the in the context of complexity, 304 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:51.159 do you mean that? Do you mean? Are you saying 305 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:54.240 that something that's more complex needs to be caused by 306 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:56.399 something that is less complex? Is that what you mean 307 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:57.639 by the law of complexity? 308 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:01.279 I just wanted to reference the idea I said infinite regression. 309 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:03.519 I said a problem of complexity, same thing. 310 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:05.039 I just wanted to make sure we're talking about the 311 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:05.440 same thing. 312 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:07.240 So when you take that idea, those. 313 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:09.159 Are different things. 314 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:12.480 I feel like we're having problems with like words like I. 315 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:15.919 Haven't got to finish. Yeah, just let me finish my 316 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.480 point here real quick. When you take that idea of 317 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:23.919 problem complexity, we find something interesting. We find that when 318 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:29.799 we take information itself and say, what could ever be 319 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:34.480 the catalyst of information itself? What could we ever imagine 320 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:38.440 and point to and say, hey, that right there, that's 321 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:44.120 what quote unquote created information itself. We would have to 322 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:45.840 be pointing at some time. 323 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.200 Sorry, stuff, And this is grating on me. This is 324 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.960 like nails on a chalkboard. Stuff. Okay, you've worked for 325 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:55.919 ten years. You have molled over this for ten years, 326 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:58.720 getting your thoughts together, and you've so far not been 327 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:02.840 able to string together a coherent like argument or sentence. 328 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:04.720 So far, it's just been words out. 329 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:07.119 I haven't got to land. 330 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:10.400 Up plan yet, let me land so steph. We have 331 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:13.039 afforded you a lot of time to talk here, and 332 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:16.599 I've asked you repeatedly to define, you know, define different 333 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:19.200 things to find God, which you've just made ad hoc 334 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:22.640 statements about the components that comprise God, but you haven't 335 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:25.720 actually defined God. So we've given you a lot of time. 336 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:31.759 If it takes a dissertation level investigation into your definition 337 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:34.440 of God to have the conversation. Then this is not 338 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:37.079 the venue for you. Right. If it takes you thirty 339 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:39.759 minutes to get through your word salad, just for us 340 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:41.839 to be at the end with so many different things 341 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:44.960 for us to actually try to contend with that we 342 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.279 can't even begin to tackle it, then you've just stumbled 343 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:51.920 into either you know, a gish gallop is what you've done, 344 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:54.519 or you've just steamrolled us in the conversation so that 345 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:57.960 we can't actually refute anything. That's a typical apologist move, right. 346 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:00.759 We're not going to allow that. You want to take 347 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:03.359 things one thing at a time. So like you've given 348 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:05.880 us a list and it's a it's a robust list 349 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:08.720 of ad hoc claims, and we're just asking you to 350 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:11.920 stick with one. You started with truth. Let's start with truth, 351 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:14.519 and you want to pivot to information, which you actually 352 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:18.079 haven't defined yet at all. We don't know what this 353 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:21.640 information is, or what it's comprised of, or how God 354 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:24.759 is needed for it. So let's stick with truth, right. 355 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:27.440 I don't I do not do not want to hear 356 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:31.480 information come out of your mouth again until we handle truth. Okay, 357 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:35.680 so let's stick with truth, and let's right you saying 358 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:39.200 that's what God is, but you have Oh my god, 359 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:42.079 you just said information. Ever I told you don't use 360 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:43.000 the word information. 361 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:46.599 I can Let's show you. I can show you how works. 362 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:48.039 I can show you. I can show you how how 363 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:50.000 it works that God's situation itself, I can show you. 364 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:52.559 I doubt that. But how about this, how about this? 365 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:54.799 How about we take it from the other side. If 366 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:57.960 there were no God, if there were no God, then 367 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:04.559 why would statements not be able to align with reality? 368 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:06.279 God's information? 369 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:09.240 There'd be nothing in existence, nothing to talk. 370 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:10.759 About, much less people to talk about. 371 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:14.720 What does it mean that God is information? Holy fuck? 372 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:17.240 You're just defining God into existence? 373 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:19.279 All right? 374 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:21.519 So we're like, hey, let's mix some rockets. We try 375 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:23.359 a whole bunch of times, and they keep blowing up 376 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:26.720 on the space pads. What's happened that rocket would blow up? 377 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:29.960 We've done something wrong. We've missed God. 378 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.079 God has tea bagged the rockets and has caused them 379 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:39.319 to explode. Explain that there's your information. Allow God tea 380 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:42.880 bags rockets and they explode when he tea bags them. 381 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:47.079 A lack a lack of God would have the rockets explode? 382 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:51.839 The lack of God? Where is God in a rocket? 383 00:19:54.759 --> 00:19:59.440 The information is what I want to I swear to Christ. 384 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:01.640 I'm gonna I'm gonna say this really soft right now, 385 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:06.799 Okay almost ASMR. Like, if you say information and God 386 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:10.440 is information, one more fucking time, I'm gonna drop you 387 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:14.640 like a bad habit. Okay, that's grading on me. Stop it. Okay, 388 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:19.000 where is God in the rocket? I know you said information, 389 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:24.359 but that doesn't actually tell me anything. Okay, tell me off. Sure, 390 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:26.559 that doesn't tell me anything either. 391 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:30.319 Why do you keep interrupting me. 392 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:32.480 I haven't gotten a chance to tell you anything. 393 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:33.680 You keep interrupting me before. 394 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:37.759 You've told me plenty of things. You've told me plenty 395 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:40.519 of things that don't mean anything. You've just made more 396 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:43.480 ad hoc statements like god. A lack of God is 397 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:47.920 why why fucking rockets explode. So you're telling me that 398 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:52.640 the Shuttle disaster in the early nineteen nineties that was 399 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:54.599 because of there was a lack of God. But every 400 00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:58.880 other every other launch before then had had God in 401 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:02.160