Speaker 1: Greetians and salutations everyone at rich Weels and welcome to
Speaker 1: Fantasy Baseball Live. Today is only the eleventh Saturday, about
Speaker 1: twelve forty in the afternoon here on the East Coast.
Speaker 1: We are not recording on Sunday, as we discussed yesterday
Speaker 1: if you listened to our Prospect podcast. But I'm here
Speaker 1: with mister Tim McCloud and we've got stuff to talk
Speaker 1: about for our normal Sunday show Tim on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Yes, we had our Prospect show yesterday and today doing
Speaker 2: the Sunday show, looking forward to it. Had a lot
Speaker 2: of fun yesterday. I enjoyed those segments immensely.
Speaker 1: It was amazing. I know we talked. I don't want
Speaker 1: to for everybody with the news, but I know we
Speaker 1: talked yesterday about the fires. So I've got the news
Speaker 1: on in the background and they've got these It was
Speaker 1: cool to me. They got this gigantic plane that's called
Speaker 1: a tanker and just flying.
Speaker 2: You know where they're from, Eh.
Speaker 1: They're from, Well, they were the first fifty first state.
Speaker 1: They're up in Canada.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all our water bomber crews we've sent down.
Speaker 1: That is cool. I didn't know that, but it didn't
Speaker 1: actually dump water. It dumped something that was red, like
Speaker 1: bright red. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2: It's it's some sort of fire retired.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: But those planes are those big water bombers that's part
Speaker 2: of our part of our fleet, and they get regular
Speaker 2: use up here. Well you've seen, you've seen the smoke
Speaker 2: from our fires.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, oh, thank you very much. Appreciate that.
Speaker 3: You're welcome.
Speaker 2: So you know, oh, all's fair and love and smoke.
Speaker 2: I guess. So we've said, like huge continent down to
Speaker 2: try and help oat in California. Yeah, I got I've
Speaker 2: got to. I've got to compliment so many people on
Speaker 2: Twitter for thanking us as a as a country, the
Speaker 2: country Canada, for for going that extra mile, especially in
Speaker 2: light of some of the comments that we've heard through
Speaker 2: Twitter or whatever. You know, there's there's a lot of
Speaker 2: good people and a lot of people are very appreciative
Speaker 2: and as Canadians us what we do we help out
Speaker 2: our neighbors.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, very kind, very kind people. But I did
Speaker 1: not know that these water bombers were from Canada. I
Speaker 1: just I literally was looking at it and I don't
Speaker 1: know if they had another plane rid next to it
Speaker 1: or something. It was a beautiful view of what it
Speaker 1: was doing, and then it just dumped his red dye
Speaker 1: out and it's like, wow, that's really neat. It's like,
Speaker 1: hope it helps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we call them super tankers, I believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got the word tanker on the side of
Speaker 1: the airplane, so I'm assuming that fits. And then I
Speaker 1: guess that we've got the little helicopters that seem to
Speaker 1: be dumping water as well, so hopefully they're getting the
Speaker 1: handle and stuff. I haven't really watched the news today,
Speaker 1: but uh, what a mess. I mean, it's just it's awful,
Speaker 1: just awful.
Speaker 2: They need the wins to stop them, and nobody controls
Speaker 2: the winds, you know what I mean. It's that's out
Speaker 2: of our hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, but we've got hopefully if you're out
Speaker 1: in that neck of the woods and not yet affected,
Speaker 1: hopefully that stays that way. But at least we'll provide
Speaker 1: people some distraction if you're in that part of the world,
Speaker 1: and if everybody else, education and distraction. We all need
Speaker 1: distraction this time of time of our lives, don't.
Speaker 2: We, tim Yes, definitely, distraction is a good thing.
Speaker 1: Speaking of distractions, the Giants. I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is a distraction, but the Giants signed Justin Verlanard to
Speaker 1: a one year, fifteen million dollar contract. How the mighty
Speaker 1: have fallen to him? But he's got I mean, I
Speaker 1: I wrote my notes. He's got to be better, right,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to be better than he was last year.
Speaker 2: I was last year. And there's some chatterable the fact
Speaker 2: he came back too early and got hurt again. And yeah,
Speaker 2: he's forty one years old. Rushing him back is probably
Speaker 2: not a not a smart move, not at that age.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'd be betting on better than last year.
Speaker 2: Same with Max Schers or he dealt with a hamstring situation,
Speaker 2: you know, two older pitchers. Yeah, hey, if they can,
Speaker 2: if they can show some health this year, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think they'll be improvement.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He was taken about three or four rounds ago
Speaker 1: in my league I'm doing so I want to say
Speaker 1: twenty fifth round or something. He was taken in that
Speaker 1: That feels pretty good to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would look at him as a bench bench
Speaker 2: sort of sort of slide. Hey, the days of two
Speaker 2: hundred innings and three hundred strikeoachs are clearly in the
Speaker 2: rearview mirror. But hey, maybe you can get one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty, hundred and forty innings out of them, and
Speaker 2: I think there's some upside as a reserve pick.
Speaker 1: So stat line then would be innings, pitch about one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty. How many strikeouts in those hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty it needs one hundred hundred and ten something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, something like that. Yeah, he hasn't pitched you
Speaker 2: a strikeout inning for a few years now. Yeah, some
Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen and ere I'm gonna go with. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go with low fours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might get a little bit of an advantage
Speaker 1: being in being in San Francisco for half this game,
Speaker 1: so that that might help him a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not a bad pick in the twenty
Speaker 2: sixth round.
Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm pretty sure that's what it was.
Speaker 1: But I'll look, and well, I'm not gonna look, as
Speaker 1: I might create too much traffic on my computer, so
Speaker 1: I'll just let it go. But I thought it was
Speaker 1: pretty late and he was kind of on my list.
Speaker 1: What about Shreser? Would you be grabbing Schureser in that
Speaker 1: same area?
Speaker 2: I actually I can give you the I can give
Speaker 2: you the gory details because I picked up Sturzer in
Speaker 2: that first draft. That first draft I did, and I'll
Speaker 2: just call it up and uh see where I grabbed him.
Speaker 2: I know it was late. How late? Okay? Where are
Speaker 2: we here? Draft results? Tic tick? Tic tic tick? My
Speaker 2: hypercomputer is still working at hyper speed.
Speaker 1: Wow, and you call yourself having a fast computer. It's
Speaker 1: a taken Forever.
Speaker 2: Twenty fourth round.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. Okay, so we're on the twenty ninth round.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's taken. I'm looking back and
Speaker 1: trying to find uh, scrolling on my phone, trying to
Speaker 1: find Verlander.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, he was still sitting there in the twenty
Speaker 2: fourth round, so I figured why not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that Verlander last pick in the twenty
Speaker 1: fourth round. That's pretty dark. Good. Yeah, I think he
Speaker 1: was on my queue, but I didn't. I didn't actually
Speaker 1: pull the trigger there. So I just so we're about
Speaker 1: ready to cut it in half, right, So we're almost
Speaker 1: on the thirtieth round, and once that happens, it goes
Speaker 1: to two hour draft pick. But I just picked up
Speaker 1: Kyle Teal with my twenty ninth pick, and Yariel Rodriguez
Speaker 1: with my thirtieth one. Okay, yeah, so we're down to
Speaker 1: that level.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I think I think we'll see those both
Speaker 2: those guys. We're in Mi'm in my second one now
Speaker 2: and we're in the we're heading into the eleventh round.
Speaker 1: Oh tell me, tell me how your first ten picks went.
Speaker 2: Decided to try a different strategy in this one. And
Speaker 2: one of the reasons for it is the fact that
Speaker 2: in the first one, I was picking thirteenth and fourteenth.
Speaker 2: In this one, so very very easy to have two
Speaker 2: very very you know alike teams. But we went with
Speaker 2: at fourteen, we moved your guy up and went lighting
Speaker 2: good for you, and then went Cheerio.
Speaker 1: So got Cheerio on both leagues.
Speaker 2: Yes, got Cheerio in both I could. I couldn't pass
Speaker 2: that one up. And then we went with Kirby.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what you did. Wait a minute, that's what
Speaker 1: you did and your last one. Yeah, when are you
Speaker 1: going to do something different?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 4: This is this is where, this is where the difference starts,
Speaker 4: and it's very much, very much so. These leagues have
Speaker 4: twice a week roster moves, including pitching m HM. So decided, uh,
Speaker 4: and I play a partner in this one.
Speaker 2: I have for a couple of years. We decided we
Speaker 2: were going to try and shorten first base, so we
Speaker 2: took Josh Naylor with our fifth pick. Interesting, wow, try
Speaker 2: and shorten up first base a bit. And then we
Speaker 2: took Miller in Oakland slash Sacramento with our six pick.
Speaker 1: Mason Miller. So yeah, so wait a minute, you don't
Speaker 1: have a pitcher yet, you don't have a Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: get Kirby. I'm sorry, Kirby.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then we took Cruise with our seventh pick.
Speaker 1: Good for you. Why you really jumped the line.
Speaker 2: On that one, moved it up a bit because all
Speaker 2: the kids were going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly what I did. Yeah, I did, yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: And at eight, we took Zach Galen as our second starter.
Speaker 1: He's really dropped this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then we came back with sort of a
Speaker 2: boring a third baseman that we both like, and Alec Baum,
Speaker 2: and then we took Ryan Walker with our tenth pick.
Speaker 2: So we have three closers right now. And what we're
Speaker 2: gonna do is we're going to try and go with
Speaker 2: six relief pitchers, six seven relief pitchers and four four starters.
Speaker 1: Maybe five interesting because you can do twice a week.
Speaker 1: Twice a week move. So you got Ryan Walker. Who
Speaker 1: are the other two.
Speaker 2: Closers, Miller and Hater? All guys?
Speaker 1: So when did you get Hater?
Speaker 2: Uh? Third round?
Speaker 1: Oh so you you went Vlad uh CHEERYO. So you
Speaker 1: got you got you got power there, you got some
Speaker 1: speed with Churio. Then you came back back to back
Speaker 1: with Now you went Kirby, then Hater, and then he
Speaker 1: came back with Miller.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Naylor and Miller, and then Cruise and Galen. Because
Speaker 2: we're at fourteen and then bowm and Ryan Walker. We're
Speaker 2: probably gonna look at a middle infielder with speed for
Speaker 2: our next pick. And if hey, if the right relief
Speaker 2: pictures there, we'll look at another one.
Speaker 1: So you brought up the concept of shortening a position.
Speaker 1: I've never I mean, I understand the theory. So first
Speaker 1: I want you to explain the theory, and then explain
Speaker 1: I mean, why would it work?
Speaker 2: Well, if you believe that there is a situation where
Speaker 2: there is a shortage of talent at any position. By
Speaker 2: loading up there, you're forcing people possibly to pick a
Speaker 2: little earlier than they'd like and picking players that they're
Speaker 2: not too keen on that won't produce at a higher level. Now,
Speaker 2: granted there's the corresponding price to pay is you're shorting yourself.
Speaker 2: You know, you got to make sure that. Of course
Speaker 2: you can, you can cover off on the balance of
Speaker 2: your positions. But I really like josh Yaler this year.
Speaker 2: You're looking at the RBI numbers moving to Arizona. I
Speaker 2: think they're I I think there's one hundred plus there
Speaker 2: and I'll take those RBIs. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I get I get the pick of
Speaker 1: Nailor and why you would pick him, but I don't
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I understand shortening in a position.
Speaker 1: I just don't know why would one do that. After
Speaker 1: you to describe it, I still don't quite get it.
Speaker 1: Because I are people that worried when one one extra
Speaker 1: first baseman goes off the board and they're going to say,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, there's not enough first baseman to make
Speaker 1: a jump and move on that and if they do,
Speaker 1: so what I mean, Okay.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, Luisa Riies went in the tenth round.
Speaker 2: That seems a little early to me. I'm glad he's gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just don't know. I mean, I think, to me,
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. I worry about my draft when
Speaker 1: i'm drafting. I don't worry about trying to screw somebody
Speaker 1: else's draft up because I'm not. Guess I'm not smart
Speaker 1: enough to play multi dimensional chess when I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to focus on my team and making it the best
Speaker 1: team I possibly can.
Speaker 2: Well. The other thing is when you're picking at either corner, okay,
Speaker 2: it allows you opportunities to attempt to try and start runs,
Speaker 2: especially with you know, with closers starting pitching. You know,
Speaker 2: when we took Kirby to four, about ten pitchers went
Speaker 2: in the next sixteen picks. Now a lot of them
Speaker 2: are going to go anyways, just because of the nature of
Speaker 2: the round heading into the fourth round. But when you're
Speaker 2: at the corner, you should always be looking at the
Speaker 2: guy picking to your right. Okay, And we took Hater
Speaker 2: before Kirby because we thought there was a chance that
Speaker 2: he'd take that last league closer because the other two
Speaker 2: were off the board Class A and I can't remember
Speaker 2: who the other one went. But again, when you when
Speaker 2: you're drafting thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, you get a long way
Speaker 2: between picks, So playing I'm not saying worrying about what
Speaker 2: is going to happen. You have to try and set
Speaker 2: yourself up so you don't have to worry as much
Speaker 2: and making preemptive moves like we took Cruise at seven fourteen. Okay, now, well,
Speaker 2: all the information out there says he's about ninth round
Speaker 2: pick right, Well do we want to wait? Do we
Speaker 2: want to wait and take a chance that he's there
Speaker 2: for us in the ninth round, or do we want
Speaker 2: to move him up a little bit. I'd prefer to
Speaker 2: move him up and have them rather than taking the
Speaker 2: chance that he's not there.
Speaker 1: So again, oh, I definitely agree with that philosophy because
Speaker 1: you know, if if you want a player, particularly if
Speaker 1: you're on the end, you you generally have to jump
Speaker 1: jump the line at least around maybe two. And I
Speaker 1: think that's that's what you're gonna have to do with
Speaker 1: Cruise this year, because I think people are starting to
Speaker 1: buy in. I got him in the eighth round. Two.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well, I don't think outfield's overly deep, and
Speaker 2: I think there's thirty stolen bases there so yeah, plus
Speaker 2: with his hit tool, who knows, so I don't mind
Speaker 2: moving up on a player like that. Yeah, and hey,
Speaker 2: right after us, the guy picking right after us took
Speaker 2: Christian Cassis. Move him up a little bit earlier. Okay,
Speaker 2: I again knowing that he's probably not gonna, probably not
Speaker 2: gonna make it back to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as I was telling, as I was telling you,
Speaker 1: Cass Casses really fell on our draft for camp or
Speaker 1: exactly where he went, but it was pretty late. And
Speaker 1: by the way I'm looking because I picked Dylan Cruise
Speaker 1: the third pick in the eighth round, and then then
Speaker 1: I picked Josh Nayler right after that, even a little
Speaker 1: later in my my drafting he did in yours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Domingus. Domingus didn't make it back to us. So again,
Speaker 2: that to me says that, yeah, there wasn't to hope
Speaker 2: the Cruise were to be either, because the two of
Speaker 2: them are going in the radar and the pick right
Speaker 2: before Dylan Cruise was Cam and Arrow.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I like Cam and Arrow a lot this season.
Speaker 1: Trisan Cassis went second pick in the tenth round in
Speaker 1: my draft. Okay, yeah, right before my Michael Trout pick.
Speaker 1: You go pick Michael Trout.
Speaker 2: Uh, probably not, and for no reason other than the
Speaker 2: fact that we we need middle infielders. Yeah, Okay, they're
Speaker 2: going heavy on the Onvlidi and Naylor. Uh, we need
Speaker 2: some middle infield help.
Speaker 1: So who are you who you're looking at? Uh?
Speaker 2: Stott Iman as the likely you know, we're looking for
Speaker 2: stolen bases. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so little get a little
Speaker 2: bit of pop, maybe a little bit, you know not,
Speaker 2: maybe we gotta get we gotta get some speed, we
Speaker 2: gotta get We gotta come out of the next round
Speaker 2: with twenty five thirty stolen bases. Anyways, So yeah, the
Speaker 2: middle infield is a perfect place to play that game.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: You know Michael Garcia is still sitting there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's going a little later at least I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't know where he's going in relationship to stop.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but that that type of that type of
Speaker 2: players is who will be focusing on. Maybe Zach Needo,
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, gel Off, I have Mason Mason Win might
Speaker 2: even sneak in there, because I like Mason Win a lot.
Speaker 1: He was one of my targets and I was disappointed
Speaker 1: it just work out for me in this draft. I
Speaker 1: just I just didn't work out. I mean I didn't
Speaker 1: need him where he was going, and I didn't get him.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bummed about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So basically, looking looking at the board, by us going
Speaker 2: three closers right now, there's six teams or seven teams
Speaker 2: that don't have a closer. Okay, that's a problem for
Speaker 2: like six seven teams, and we're trying to we're trying
Speaker 2: to control the saves category. We'll see how it works out,
Speaker 2: but we're gonna we're gonna run relief pictures out there
Speaker 2: and rotate in starting pitchers and if we have to
Speaker 2: be active on the waiver wire, so I try something different.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's cool. I mean, I guess the only
Speaker 1: thing about overdrafting a position like closer, I mean you
Speaker 1: do protect yourself a little bit because guys get hurt
Speaker 1: and are ineffective, particularly at the closer position. But it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you come in that the counter arguments
Speaker 1: all that, it doesn't matter if you if you get
Speaker 1: three hundred saves and the guy in second place gets
Speaker 1: two hundred and ten. You know, yeah, so you you
Speaker 1: you wanna I think, as you're drafting, and if you
Speaker 1: want to over draft the position, you don't want to
Speaker 1: clobber that position because it doesn't do you any good
Speaker 1: in the Artisticary League to win by ninety points.
Speaker 2: No. The other thing that's sort of nice is this
Speaker 2: league also pays on the category winners, all ten of
Speaker 2: them small amount.
Speaker 1: Oh really that's interesting. Yeah, so again, but set your
Speaker 1: you set yourself up for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're looking.
Speaker 2: We'll be looking at guys like Brian and Bray you late,
Speaker 2: Kate Smith late, A J. Puckley, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: We'll be looking for the for the high Straco relief
Speaker 2: pitchers like I don't think we're probably not going to
Speaker 2: look at another closer per se. But there's a slew
Speaker 2: of relief pictures out there. They're consistent high STRAKEO and
Speaker 2: you can get them late, relatively late. So yeah, a
Speaker 2: guy like Matt Stram, Yeah, that'll that'll serve the purpose
Speaker 2: for what we're trying to do. So yeah, we might
Speaker 2: we might draft another another closer.
Speaker 1: Speaking of speaking of closers, which we've spent the last
Speaker 1: five minutes talking about that we had two closers or
Speaker 1: two bullpen arms. I guess you say that. I want
Speaker 1: to know from your perspective whether you see them as closers.
Speaker 1: And the first is the Rangers signed Chris Martin. Apparently
Speaker 1: he is from Arlington. Uh so he's gonna it sounds
Speaker 1: like it might be one of his last years that
Speaker 1: he's going to be pitching. Is thirty eight years old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he was pretty good when he was with the
Speaker 1: Red Sox the last two years, but he is thirty eight.
Speaker 1: Do you think he can sneak some saves this year?
Speaker 1: I looked at roster resource and they got him at
Speaker 1: the top of the queue, which I'm not sure is
Speaker 1: going to hold. But what's what you're thinking with Martin?
Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, I think there's a fair chance that he
Speaker 2: ends up with some saves. You know, you got Mark,
Speaker 2: you got Robert Garcia, you got Jacob Webb. There is
Speaker 2: no definition right now, per se in that Ranger's bullpen.
Speaker 2: You know, the talk was, you know Garcia would get
Speaker 2: get a show as much the same as it was
Speaker 2: in Washington, and Jacob Webb came over, I believe from Baltimore.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's those three and it could
Speaker 2: be a mix and match. Martin, Martin good, good roll
Speaker 2: with it. You know, he he could do fairly well
Speaker 2: as a late round option. Yeah, I throw something down.
Speaker 1: On he's gone. He's gone really late. He's still on
Speaker 1: the on the board in my draft, and again we're
Speaker 1: hitting hitting the thirty first round and.
Speaker 2: On probably by the time the thirty second round. You know,
Speaker 2: with this news, we I'll move him up.
Speaker 1: I would think, Yeah, I mean I was considering drafting
Speaker 1: him because based on that news. But I already have
Speaker 1: three closers. Well, I have two. I'm not sure I
Speaker 1: have any closers. I have three people that I hope
Speaker 1: are gonna close. Yeah, it looks good in theory, but
Speaker 1: we'll see. I still might grab Chris Martin another closer, though.
Speaker 1: Blue Jay signed Jeff Hoffman, a guy that you brought
Speaker 1: up on the waiver wire. I think he was the
Speaker 1: top on your waiver warm in terms of mentioned last season.
Speaker 1: Three years, thirty three million dollars, not a huge signing,
Speaker 1: and the Blue Jays have indicated that he might get
Speaker 1: a chance to close. What do you think, Yeah, I Chad.
Speaker 2: Has Chad Green ever been healthy.
Speaker 1: From time to time? He hasn't been consistently healthy. I
Speaker 1: think that's that's fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I think Hoffin will work his way
Speaker 2: into uh, work his way into some saves. It's funny
Speaker 2: if you go back a month ago they were talking
Speaker 2: about using Jeff Hoffman as a starter or you know,
Speaker 2: they were looking at the possibly if as Hoffman is
Speaker 2: a starter, and I think that's out the window. But no,
Speaker 2: I think he'll get some saves Toronto and along with
Speaker 2: Chad Green. So yeah, Jay's short up their bullpen with
Speaker 2: that signing. It's a good it's a good sign.
Speaker 1: So is the success of Michael King. And uh Seth
Speaker 1: Lugo calls this rash of seemingly teams wanting to convert
Speaker 1: relievers to starters.
Speaker 2: Well, we both know when somebody does something and it works. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and pick a number, because the que the cues formed, right,
Speaker 2: everybody's standing in line to give it a whirl. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I hey, it worked well for Michael King, and it
Speaker 2: worked well for Lugo. But again, can we say uber
Speaker 2: small sample size?
Speaker 1: It is and and and you know it doesn't It
Speaker 1: probably is gonna not work more than it's going to work.
Speaker 2: Yes, but right now we're hearing all the success stories.
Speaker 2: So of course, let's face it, teams are having a
Speaker 2: hard time getting starting pitching.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's an option they can explore. The is
Speaker 2: a relatively inexpensive option.
Speaker 1: Right, and h on our conversation from yesterday our podcast yesterday,
Speaker 1: we were talking about Colorado pictures and the fact that
Speaker 1: I mean to truly count on them as probably fools
Speaker 1: gold and just another illustration is Jeff Hoffman was originally
Speaker 1: signed by the Blue Jays back in twenty fourteen and
Speaker 1: shipped to Colorado for Troy tylor Ritzky. I remember that
Speaker 1: trade like it was yesterday. I remember where I was
Speaker 1: sitting when I heard that news. That's pretty weird. Uh.
Speaker 2: And of course Hoffman though as a starter at that time.
Speaker 1: It was it was a first off, was a big trade, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, Tulowitzki moving kind of was he past his
Speaker 1: prime or not? And he was past his prime? And
Speaker 1: you know, you like the talent that Colorado got back.
Speaker 1: And but Jeff Hoffa didn't make it as a starter Tim.
Speaker 1: In fact, he really really struggled and Colorado wasn't until
Speaker 1: he got out of Colorado that he started to play
Speaker 1: pitch better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the last couple of years Philadelphia have been great.
Speaker 2: So what does that do? It does nothing but reinforce.
Speaker 2: But we were talking about yesterday, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the counter argument is he figured something
Speaker 1: out it would have happened if he stayed in Colorado,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, but the fact that it didn't so
Speaker 1: And just to give a coda on my conversation because
Speaker 1: I went back and listened to that section because I
Speaker 1: thought I didn't give Dolander his due justice because we
Speaker 1: kind of got off on how how unlikely these Colorado
Speaker 1: pictures are to be successful. Having said that, I still
Speaker 1: like Dolander and and I know.
Speaker 2: Is a good young pitcher. He really is.
Speaker 1: Great arm and you know, the control has come together nicely.
Speaker 1: He's developing a third pitch. All of the signs are
Speaker 1: lining up, and I like him, and and this might
Speaker 1: be my last, you know, kind of last call here.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't make it, I might finally just put
Speaker 1: the official nail in my feeling on the Colorado Rockies
Speaker 1: pitching standpoint to say, it's just it's just never going
Speaker 1: to happen, because this is a this is an uber
Speaker 1: talented pitcher that was better thought of coming this time
Speaker 1: last year than Paul Skeens. I want everybody to let
Speaker 1: that sit in for a moment. Jase Olander was considered
Speaker 1: the better talent, so so the fact that he's really not,
Speaker 1: because we saw what Paul Skeens can do. But he's
Speaker 1: he's up there. I mean, this is not a guy
Speaker 1: that you know that you people should should skip lightly. Right,
Speaker 1: So if he if he can't do it, then I
Speaker 1: think that's really really telling.
Speaker 2: Well, if if at that point in time this that
Speaker 2: does occur, why do the Rockies have a pitching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they just don't need one. Maybe they've got
Speaker 1: to do something that you've always suggested. They get fifteen
Speaker 1: relievers and just go with relievers the whole whole game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just wing them, wing them all out there, throw
Speaker 2: them all out there. It's inexpensive, and nobody has a
Speaker 2: chance to get used to anybody because they're not in
Speaker 2: there long enough. Right, Fine, guys that can hit ninety
Speaker 2: five plus and just rear back, firey in there.
Speaker 1: And my final common on Chase Dolander is I just
Speaker 1: want to re emphasize this. I you know, in hindsight,
Speaker 1: taking him first year player dress, I think it was
Speaker 1: the third round. I don't know where I got I
Speaker 1: got him later than the talent would suggest. But as
Speaker 1: we talked yesterday and the more I thought about it,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to take Rocky's pictures because even if,
Speaker 1: like we said yesterday, even if they perform well, that
Speaker 1: value is still not going to go. It's going to
Speaker 1: take years for that value of that player to people
Speaker 1: really to buy into it. So you should never draft
Speaker 1: a Rockies pitcher because in the end they might have
Speaker 1: a good year, a good stretch, et cetera. But long term,
Speaker 1: they're never going to have that value that somebody else
Speaker 1: might get who blows up from one year to the next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've Dolander this year. If he wins fifteen games
Speaker 2: and pitches to a three twenty year a with a
Speaker 2: strakeout plus per inning, you put him on the block
Speaker 2: and I think you know what you're going to get back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. It feels and smells like where Seth
Speaker 1: Lugo was going this season. He was great last year, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, the no question got some cy young votes
Speaker 1: and rightly so. And he's going in the mid teens.
Speaker 1: No one's thinking that, oh, this guy is a stut
Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody's going to do that with
Speaker 1: Chase Stowlin. I don't think he's better than he where
Speaker 1: he's going now on the thirtieth or fortieth round, or whatever.
Speaker 1: But he's never going to go in the top five rounds.
Speaker 2: Never, No, no, because it's Colorado, and pictures don't succeed
Speaker 2: in Colorado, and even when they do succeed, it's gonna
Speaker 2: take an extended period before people actually buy into that success.
Speaker 1: Yep. And so I would just wanted to read kind
Speaker 1: of go back to that since we were talking about closers,
Speaker 1: and then you know, Hoffman was kind of the segue
Speaker 1: into talking to you again about Colorado Pictures. And I know,
Speaker 1: if you're an experienced fantasy player, then why are you
Speaker 1: talking about this because everybody knows that. I think it's
Speaker 1: a good reminder because whenever you think there's the next
Speaker 1: great hope for the Rockies, you gotta be careful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, And yeah, Dolan is the perfect
Speaker 2: guy for your team. Is your team's a very good team,
Speaker 2: you can go and you can you can pick him
Speaker 2: up into the second or third round because your team
Speaker 2: is solid if it's not going to hurt you if
Speaker 2: it doesn't work out. A lot a lot of how
Speaker 2: you address for your first year player drafts depends on
Speaker 2: the relative strengths and or weaknesses of your team, and
Speaker 2: anybody drafting at the back of the first round has
Speaker 2: got a good team because they finished in the top
Speaker 2: three four spots a year before, so it's it's productive,
Speaker 2: but it's also sort of counterproductive because nobody's going to
Speaker 2: take a guy like Kim Okay for the Dodgers in
Speaker 2: the first seven or eight picks, so he'll be sitting
Speaker 2: there towards the back end of the first round, and
Speaker 2: he's a perfect pick for a team that's a contending team, right.
Speaker 2: It sort of feeds into it. It sort of feeds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we thought that about Matsasaki and that didn't
Speaker 1: turn out well. So I mean, I think you got it.
Speaker 1: There's risk with these Asian players that are coming over.
Speaker 1: No offense to you, but there's risks. If I can
Speaker 1: build on your comment about Look, when you're picking in
Speaker 1: a first in a first year player draft, you're looking
Speaker 1: for what your team needs. But I think whenever you're drafting,
Speaker 1: even in one year drafts, it is about value, and
Speaker 1: in dynasty leagues, it's about what do I think the
Speaker 1: potential value of this young player that I'm drafting, what
Speaker 1: he can become. And I guess the problem with the
Speaker 1: Rockies is there's a ceiling on all of all of
Speaker 1: these pictures that it doesn't matter if he becomes the
Speaker 1: best picture in baseball, I don't know if anybody's going
Speaker 1: to buy it. So he's always going to have pressure
Speaker 1: on the guy's ceiling. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. Each type of player that you're going
Speaker 2: to invest in, you're gonna you're investing in him.
Speaker 1: To keep them. Yeah, you're not looking at a trade,
Speaker 1: but but you're also looking you want you want that
Speaker 1: investment that you make, like we all do with everything
Speaker 1: in life, to grow and to become bigger than it is.
Speaker 1: So if I draft him in the fourth round along
Speaker 1: with some other players, and then I try to go
Speaker 1: sell him three or four years later after he's had
Speaker 1: some success, and I say, well, look at this this guy.
Speaker 1: I bought him at X he should be X cube.
Speaker 1: Well he might only be X square because there's an
Speaker 1: artificial ceiling. Maybe it's not an artificial maybe it's a
Speaker 1: real ceiling on this guy's ultimate upside. Because he pitches
Speaker 1: in Colorado or he plays wherever. He's a power hitter
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, and you're Bryce Eldridge. He's never going
Speaker 1: to Eldridge could hit forty home runs in a lot
Speaker 1: of other parks in San Francisco, he might be a
Speaker 1: thirty home run guy. So he's always going to have
Speaker 1: a lower ceiling because of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. And then you know, then you get
Speaker 2: average you know, average hitters playing in Arizona. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: where the park? Yeah, where the park factors? You know, Hey,
Speaker 2: and it's like it's like hit or so okay, every
Speaker 2: time you see a trade and you're bad, you know
Speaker 2: your hitter is going to Colorado. What's the first thing
Speaker 2: you say, he's going to Colorado. Good, we'll see a
Speaker 2: boost in the numbers. Doesn't always work out.
Speaker 1: It doesn't always work out.
Speaker 2: It's the mindset of the of the community is such
Speaker 2: that it will, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope people have to bunk that though, because
Speaker 1: it just it hasn't happened in a long time where
Speaker 1: you know, look, there are a lot of bad players there.
Speaker 1: See their boost, see a boost in production, but they
Speaker 1: just haven't drafted well or signed well. I mean, we
Speaker 1: haven't seen the Troy Tulowitzki, who was probably a twenty
Speaker 1: five home run guy, become a thirty five home run guy.
Speaker 1: They don't have any guys that are acquiring that have
Speaker 1: twenty five home run pop anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and you go back to the glory days.
Speaker 2: You know, Larry Walker and Machado, they were good, They
Speaker 2: were exceptionally talented before they got there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you got to you gotta have the talent
Speaker 1: to see the big explosion on top of that, I
Speaker 1: think that's the problem. The other thing is if if
Speaker 1: there's a good power hitter, i e. Brandon Belt, you
Speaker 1: can argue he wasn't a great power hitter. The Giants
Speaker 1: don't want to get rid of him, right because they
Speaker 1: want that guy right and they said they finally got
Speaker 1: somebody in their coffers who who they like and has
Speaker 1: got some power. The same thing it's true with the Rockies.
Speaker 1: They're gonna trade these guys.
Speaker 2: You know, the Giants is trying to acquire big power
Speaker 2: bets as akin to the Rockies trying to acquire ace
Speaker 2: pitchers exactly.
Speaker 1: And so I think you got to think about that
Speaker 1: a little bit when you're positioning yourself for trades and drafts.
Speaker 1: It's like, what is the ultimate upside of this guy, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, the Ronald Lacooners, who you think could be
Speaker 1: the best player in baseball? I mean, if he's playing
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, unless his name is Barry Bonds, it's
Speaker 1: probably not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: There are challenges, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: To me to take a break and got one more
Speaker 1: thing to talk about and then we'll start on your
Speaker 1: first base rankings. It was a fun discussion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't I agree with with you the whole premise.
Speaker 2: It's it's tough, it really is.
Speaker 1: Yep, this was an interesting one and I'm I'm anxious
Speaker 1: to hear your your thoughts because I know you were
Speaker 1: bursting out the seams to talk about it. Yesterday. And
Speaker 1: the Reds acquired Gavin Lucks from the Dodgers for outfielder
Speaker 1: Mike Siota and the Reds competitive balance round a selection.
Speaker 1: So that's pick thirty seven. So it's got some financial
Speaker 1: flexibility that it gives the Dodgers because they typically don't
Speaker 1: have enough money now and they're going into the you
Speaker 1: know as caps as cap money going into these drafts.
Speaker 1: So so we discussed the like the Dodgers were likely
Speaker 1: to move on from Lux and they did, but does
Speaker 1: he fit for the Reds?
Speaker 2: Uh? The Reds are a bit of a mess right now.
Speaker 2: If you go to roster resource they got Gavin Luck
Speaker 2: sitting in the d H spot hitting ninth. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: well you got Candelari at third base, you got uh
Speaker 2: gonna have shown strand at first base. It's a bit
Speaker 2: of a mess. They're talking about Matt McClain moving into
Speaker 2: the outfield. Okay, so what did I do? I would
Speaker 2: assume TJ Friedel It puts him in a bit of
Speaker 2: a buy there. It's they got too many people that
Speaker 2: know Noel V. Marte isn't even listed as being on
Speaker 2: the roster. So eight, I would say.
Speaker 1: Led La Cruz is locked in. That's your shortstop, right, yep?
Speaker 2: Done?
Speaker 1: Is that the only infield position that's truly locked in?
Speaker 1: Because I thought Matt McLean would be. But if they're
Speaker 1: talking about moving him to the outfield, that's not even
Speaker 1: locked in.
Speaker 2: No, the only infield position locked in Brothers two Catcher
Speaker 2: and Stevenson and Ellie that's it.
Speaker 1: I mean, Heimer, Candelarium and they'd trade for him, so
Speaker 1: they're paying the money. He's going to play somewhere, but
Speaker 1: he's probably a better first basement at this juncture in
Speaker 1: his career than a third basement.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then if you move, move Candelaria the first base. Okay,
Speaker 2: if you throw Strand into your DH slot and Gavin
Speaker 2: Lux becomes what utility? Yeah? Maybe yeah, it becomes a
Speaker 2: super sub.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean because there's some there are some platoon
Speaker 1: splits there.
Speaker 2: So and unless Matt McLain goes to the outfield, he's
Speaker 2: playing a second base, right or possibly third base. It's
Speaker 2: just it's all over the place. I don't I don't
Speaker 2: know how it's going to shake down. I think they
Speaker 2: need to move somebody, is what they need to do.
Speaker 1: I think if I think, if I'm in a draft
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at this roster, I confidently select Eli
Speaker 1: de la Cruz. I confidently draft Matt McClain. That's too
Speaker 1: good of a baseball player to think that he's going
Speaker 1: to be a part time player. Spencer Steer, I'm I
Speaker 1: feel pretty confident about him. T J Friedel know Stevens
Speaker 1: who cares? Steven said, I do, uh so? TJ Friedel
Speaker 1: know Jake Freeley, know Heimer Candelier. I guess he's got
Speaker 1: a job. He's not that good. Christenin Karny know Gavin Lux. No,
Speaker 1: Noville Marte no, I don't. I don't feel good about
Speaker 1: any of these guys.
Speaker 2: And for good cause, we have no idea how it's
Speaker 2: gonna shake down. And you know, hey, and I think
Speaker 2: they're at the draft table. I think there has to
Speaker 2: be pressure to move these guys down. Yep, yeah, are
Speaker 2: you going to roll the dice on any of the guys.
Speaker 2: We just mentioned that there's a possibility might only get
Speaker 2: two hundred of bats.
Speaker 1: I know, and Camp Paulier, who I love, is sitting
Speaker 1: is blocked two ways to Sunday. I didn't get this deal, man,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean good, I mean, I think Gavin Lucks is
Speaker 1: a better player than he showed last year. And but
Speaker 1: didn't they get rid of Gavin Lux with the oh
Speaker 1: the guy they traded a couple of weeks ago won
Speaker 1: the Rookie of the Year a few years ago. Oh
Speaker 1: help me, Tim, Oh you know I'm talking about anyway?
Speaker 1: They just I mean, it was like they had a
Speaker 1: guy that was similar to Gavin Lucks and they moved from,
Speaker 1: they moved on from and they just bring a new
Speaker 1: guy in. I don't get it.
Speaker 2: Well, And what they've done now is basically what the
Speaker 2: Dodgers have said is Kim is going to be their
Speaker 2: everyday second basement.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, so yeah, now that's easy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was easy, very easy. Once uh, Lucks is
Speaker 2: out of the equation.
Speaker 1: Right, Jonathan Indyo is the guy who was thinking about
Speaker 1: isn't Jonathan Di then Gavin Lucks like similar players? I
Speaker 1: would think, so, yes, yeah, So so they got rid
Speaker 1: of Jonathan India and we all cheered and a I
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, why are you bringing the
Speaker 1: Gavin Lucks?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, India went to Kansas City, Yes he did. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but again, a plethora of riches in Dodger Land allows them.
Speaker 2: You know, hey, they signed Kim on a relatively a
Speaker 2: very friendly deal. So that makes where do they where
Speaker 2: do they need the lux India? Where do they need
Speaker 2: those guys for? They don't, do they?
Speaker 1: They don't well, I'm sure they. I mean again, maybe
Speaker 1: they're just collecting talent and using them as trade bait
Speaker 1: down the road. But the again we talked about multi
Speaker 1: dimensional chess, it sounds like they're playing some really complicated
Speaker 1: algorithms to try to figure out who they're going to
Speaker 1: move and keep and so forth. And it feels a
Speaker 1: lot like what the Rockies did. Just let me bring
Speaker 1: in a bunch of guys see what sticks, and maybe
Speaker 1: the talented guy's never going to shot. I mean, Neva
Speaker 1: Martine is a good player. Maybe they're just so pissed
Speaker 1: about the eighty games extension that they don't have anything
Speaker 1: to do with the guy. Maybe that's it's it's more
Speaker 1: complicated than that. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, Brady Singer went to the Reds
Speaker 2: for India. Is lux an upgrade over India. I don't
Speaker 2: know if he is.
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, India has performed better for the
Speaker 1: last couple of years. So he's a little bit younger,
Speaker 1: but that's it.
Speaker 2: He takes a walk. His OBB was three fifty says
Speaker 2: his OBP has been you know in three seventy six,
Speaker 2: three twenty seven, thirty eight, three fifty seven. Yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 2: the Reds are shuffling the deck, but they still got
Speaker 2: they still got too many parts. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was funny because the Reds front office was voted
Speaker 1: as saying, look, everybody says, we've got all this infield depth.
Speaker 1: And he went through each position and how poorly they performed.
Speaker 1: But I was thinking Matt McClean was hurt. Novill Marte
Speaker 1: was out for half the season, Chris and In Carnacione
Speaker 1: was hurt. So I mean, yes, don't you take a
Speaker 1: look at that as extenuating circumstances and go in a minute,
Speaker 1: we had good players, did they just get a chance.
Speaker 1: Let's see what happens when they're healthy. Wouldn't that be
Speaker 1: a rational thought process?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's too rational.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I know if I was running that team,
Speaker 2: I'd want to see what health rings the following year
Speaker 2: before I started shuffling the deck.
Speaker 1: Well, we played, we playing dynasty leagues, and we take
Speaker 1: a look at last year, and if we if we
Speaker 1: saw our guys on the eye ow and a poor
Speaker 1: poor uh kind of placement in the standings, we would
Speaker 1: probably say, yeah, my guy hurt. Let's see what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. We went and start trading everybody.
Speaker 2: Well, not unless you want to finish worse than you
Speaker 2: did the year where everybody was hurt. Yeah, because you're
Speaker 2: not going to get full value, are you. No?
Speaker 1: I I don't know, And it's I think it's a
Speaker 1: head scratcher. I don't I don't get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I don't get it either. And it's sort
Speaker 2: of a shame because the Reds do have some talent, yeah,
Speaker 2: but utilizing it doesn't appear to be their forte at
Speaker 2: this stage.
Speaker 1: Look at Ellie Dela Cruz has chance to be, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the best players in the league, one of
Speaker 1: the most exciting players in the league at a huge
Speaker 1: drawl at home and on the on the road. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a guy you want to surround, surround players with.
Speaker 1: And it's but they got to I think they got
Speaker 1: some good, complimentary players. They just got to give them
Speaker 1: a chance to play well exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the Candelarius should not be holding up Strand
Speaker 2: or Noel vi Marte.
Speaker 1: I think the Baltimore Orioles, as much as we beat
Speaker 1: them up about their pitching, they've done an outstanding job
Speaker 1: at developing talent giving that talent a chance to play
Speaker 1: and perform. Yeah, and like what it's a copycat league, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, why don't you do that? I mean not
Speaker 1: that maybe Cincinnati Reds have the exact level of talent
Speaker 1: that the Orioles have, but it's pretty close. If you
Speaker 1: you know, put led La Cruz and Gunner Henderson as
Speaker 1: you know, equal kind of talent. Maybe Dela Cruz might
Speaker 1: be higher there's a lot of similarities in those two
Speaker 1: systems in terms of the talent they brought up, and
Speaker 1: yet one is methodically going through and giving the young
Speaker 1: kids a shot, and it just feels like the Reds
Speaker 1: are like, I don't know if I believe in this guy.
Speaker 1: Let's move on.
Speaker 2: The word flailing comes to money.
Speaker 1: It really does Timmy to take a break, we get back.
Speaker 1: Let's let's do your first base rankings.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm really anxious to hear this first discussion because
Speaker 5: I think that first base is a real challenge.
Speaker 1: I think it's been challenging for years. I don't see
Speaker 1: anything in the minor leagues that would would lead me
Speaker 1: to say, hey, it's going to get better, like we
Speaker 1: saw with catching, How are you handling first base this season?
Speaker 2: How am I handling first base? I want and my
Speaker 2: goal is to procure solid, talented first base. And so
Speaker 2: far in two drafts, one of them, I've got Tristan
Speaker 2: Casses for the upside, and the other one I've got
Speaker 2: Vlidi and Josh Naylor. So so far, it's going pretty
Speaker 2: much to script. Anybody after about the under that top tier,
Speaker 2: after about pick ten or eleven, they become corner infielders.
Speaker 2: In my mind, I don't want to have Cody Bellinger, okay,
Speaker 2: as my everyday first baseman. I don't want Paul Goldschmid,
Speaker 2: Michael Bush Togli No, I don't want any of those
Speaker 2: players as my first basement. As a corner infield, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a different story, but not anchoring first base for me,
Speaker 2: it's gotta be I hate coming out if I don't
Speaker 2: have Flattie or Harper or Olsen or Freeman or Naylor,
Speaker 2: it'd be that top. I'm not gonna feel happy.
Speaker 1: I one thousand agree with you. You said it perfectly.
Speaker 1: I totally right in there with you. And that's why
Speaker 1: I think Lad's got the setup is perfect for him
Speaker 1: this season, with his last year in Toronto. He might
Speaker 1: even get moved at the deadline. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be motivated. He's a good player. With a good season
Speaker 1: last year and the fact that it falls off so quickly,
Speaker 1: it's in a blank, You're you're down to, you know,
Speaker 1: the spencer of Jake Bergers of the world, and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh man, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, hey, Jake, Jake Berger could post to
Speaker 2: eighty OBP and uh a two hundred batting average this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna come with thirty thirty five on runs.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 1: But those are flawed players.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there there is a flaw basically in every player
Speaker 2: after about pick ten eleven.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Not enough power, okay, not enough speed, not enough batting average.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, there's a lot of flawed flowed players,
Speaker 2: a slew of them.
Speaker 1: So let's go through your list. I have sent you
Speaker 1: the spreadsheet. Do you have the updated spreadsheet?
Speaker 2: It is right in front of me, and I love it.
Speaker 2: That's it's a great, great, great vehicle to be discussed,
Speaker 2: all of positions by anything. Just there. It's there.
Speaker 1: It's there, so or if you want to get this
Speaker 1: unless you got to our patroon site and U it's
Speaker 1: all out there for our Patreon members as well. So
Speaker 1: first two were boring. Timmy all chalk, Lad Gerrera one.
Speaker 1: Bryce Harper, iwo, you've got his lad Junior's ADP is
Speaker 1: fourteen point four. Bryce Harper's twenty point nine. Yeah, Bryce
Speaker 1: Harper is Bryce Harper. I mean, is there anything to
Speaker 1: say more about those guys?
Speaker 2: Not really? I think a pencil in Harper for thirty homers,
Speaker 2: A handful of stolen basin in an ops in the
Speaker 2: nine hundred Granger. He's a good player, solid, definitely, I'll
Speaker 2: say great production at first base.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Matt Olsen tough season last Year's no denying
Speaker 1: he was not the same guy. I mean, you got
Speaker 1: him chalk thirty five. He's going top of the first
Speaker 1: top of the third round. Last year he was a
Speaker 1: late first round, early second round pick. Do you think
Speaker 1: there's value here on the top of the third round
Speaker 1: with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have any problems with matt Oles and
Speaker 2: after about the middle back end of the second round. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he had a down year last year. He still had
Speaker 2: twenty nine homers and drove in what ninety eight runs.
Speaker 2: Many of players are gonna call it a good year, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so what's to say. I think he's twenty nine years old.
Speaker 2: A bounce back could be in order with mad Oles,
Speaker 2: And then even if it isn't, I'll take thirty one hundred.
Speaker 2: It's good production coming from first base, especially when you
Speaker 2: look at the piers.
Speaker 1: So thirty nine home runs in twenty one, thirty four
Speaker 1: and twenty two, fifty four and twenty three, twenty nine
Speaker 1: and twenty four. One of those numbers doesn't fit twenty nine,
Speaker 1: you'll think the twenty nine fits, or you think the
Speaker 1: fifty four doesn't fit.
Speaker 2: I think he could. Hey, it was an amazing year.
Speaker 2: Could you do it again? Sure? Yeah, he did it once.
Speaker 2: I think there's enough power there that he can hit
Speaker 2: thirty five to forty home runs fair lately. I would
Speaker 2: put the odds higher at thirty five to forty than
Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty.
Speaker 1: Uh thoughts, I think he isn't the floor twenty five
Speaker 1: to thirty and the upside thirty five to forty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say I've got the floor at
Speaker 2: about thirty one hundred.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, look, I'm looking at the data. Eighty fifth percent
Speaker 1: on AVERAGEXA velocity, hard hit rates eighty three percent. Style
Speaker 1: bat speed is at eighty percent. This is a guy
Speaker 1: who makes really hard contact. His square up rate the
Speaker 1: ability to get the maximum the maximum result out of
Speaker 1: his swing and his bats swing is not good. It's
Speaker 1: at five and he's got a big launch angle, so
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of uppercut, a lot of strength,
Speaker 1: but he's not, according to the data, he is not
Speaker 1: using it very effectively. So just kind of hold that
Speaker 1: as you know, something that he probably needs to improve on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what the other intangible that you've
Speaker 2: got to work in there with those, and it's just
Speaker 2: about everybody on the Braves team was hurt last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he's still trying to do too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the club host couldn't have been a bundle of joy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: every time they have, every time they got sort of untracked,
Speaker 2: somebody else went down. Right, it's got to be a
Speaker 2: little bit mentally discouraging. I I know, you say, oh,
Speaker 2: they're all pros, you know the work, but that's got
Speaker 2: to have an effect on the few remaining players that
Speaker 2: actually made it through the season.
Speaker 1: Right, Looking at his spray chart, it's pretty interesting. And
Speaker 1: twenty three power to pull site power was still prevalent,
Speaker 1: but there was a lot of opposite field home runs
Speaker 1: dead center field home runs. In twenty twenty four all
Speaker 1: but three we're pull home runs. So that might be
Speaker 1: a guy who was pressing a little bit and stepping
Speaker 1: in the buck and trying to make something happen as
Speaker 1: opposed to hitting the ball where it's pitched and knowing
Speaker 1: that he's got the strength to hit everything out.
Speaker 2: Well, and let's face it with, you know, with Riley
Speaker 2: and Albie's and cunoll. Oh, there would be pressure on
Speaker 2: him to perform, right, Whereas you get those three in
Speaker 2: the lineup and he just goes up to Lodi Da
Speaker 2: and away you go.
Speaker 1: Right, you have Olsen going before Freddy Freeman, which I
Speaker 1: applaud you for. I think that's the right move. Freddy
Speaker 1: Freeman is a is you know, stalwart until he's not?
Speaker 1: Is that fair to say?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And he's heading into his age thirty six season. Okay,
Speaker 2: he's coming off ankle surgery to clear up some loose bodies,
Speaker 2: an ankle that bothered him most of the last season.
Speaker 2: Are we going to see Freddie Freeman stealing on twenty
Speaker 2: bases this year? I highly go to yeah. Right, And
Speaker 2: with the age factor, I just figured it's time to Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm not predicting Newman gloom for Freddie Freeman, but hey,
Speaker 2: did decline has to happen at some point in time,
Speaker 2: and at age thirty six. If it's not this year,
Speaker 2: it'll be next year the year after, right, So I
Speaker 2: just wonder, Yeah, he's no spring check and still a
Speaker 2: great player, but I can tell you I will probably
Speaker 2: won't have Freddy Freeman be on that many of my
Speaker 2: teams this year.
Speaker 1: I did a breakdown of him last year when I
Speaker 1: was doing my targets and he was a do not
Speaker 1: draft in the set for a second round. I was
Speaker 1: seeing some real concerning items in his data that was
Speaker 1: pointing to we're starting to see the decline and I
Speaker 1: just don't want to be I don't want to be
Speaker 1: on board when the decline hits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and looking at it realistically, it's Freddie Freeman gonna
Speaker 2: even if he's hundred percent, he's not gonna get in
Speaker 2: six hundred plus at bats. Yeah, the playoffs, the World Series,
Speaker 2: that's what counts, right, yep, yep, yeah, yeah, Yeah, He'll
Speaker 2: have his days off here and there, and he should.
Speaker 1: Josh Naylor comes in at number five. That is your
Speaker 1: top five. And Naylor, you jumped ahead of Pete Alonzo
Speaker 1: and mister Perez.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. And I like what I saw in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: I don't think moving to Arizona and having Corbyn Carroll
Speaker 2: and Katel Marte hitting in front of him is going
Speaker 2: to It's gonna hurt him one bit. The park is
Speaker 2: the parks of plus and let's face it, with Pete
Speaker 2: Alonso still has a sign last year, the strikeouts were up,
Speaker 2: the power was down. Yeah, sal Perez, are you gonna
Speaker 2: use him at first base? No, You're probably gonna use
Speaker 2: him a catcher, right yep. So to me, it makes
Speaker 2: all the sense in the world to move Nayler up
Speaker 2: into the fifth spot.
Speaker 1: Agreed. I I'm worried about Peter Alanza this year a lot,
Speaker 1: and the longer he doesn't sign, I think, the more
Speaker 1: concern I get. He is a guy that is uber
Speaker 1: confident and I think will be a little disappointed that
Speaker 1: it's it's working out this way for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he might end up with Jay's on a one
Speaker 2: year deal. Yeah, Yeah, there's something along those lines.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I was but wait a minute, where does who?
Speaker 1: Where does lap play? Does he does DH?
Speaker 2: They can rotate them all around, they can come up
Speaker 2: alons or to the DH slut.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah that's a possibility.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was top tempted to move Vinp right up
Speaker 2: behind Josh Naylor because I really liked what I saw
Speaker 2: from Pascentino last year, and he missed a month the
Speaker 2: last month of the season he missed.
Speaker 1: I'm aware. Yeah, I have viny P everywhere on one
Speaker 1: year leagues, on Fantasy Dynasty leagues, I have any P everywhere, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a little I'm a little higher on him
Speaker 2: than the NFBC, but I think it's warranting.
Speaker 1: He's one. Yeah, he's one of my targets. If you've
Speaker 1: read my material, it was one of my targets last
Speaker 1: one of my targets this year. You can never predict RBIs.
Speaker 1: But hitting behind Bobby Wood Junior, that's that's that's a
Speaker 1: good thing. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I like him. I like them a lot.
Speaker 2: If I had to pick somebody to rise up, rise
Speaker 2: up this list in a big way. If we're looking
Speaker 2: at this question a year from now, Vinny p would
Speaker 2: be my He'd be one of one of those guys
Speaker 2: to move up. Yeah, I think the potential there.
Speaker 1: I agree. And as Tim said, it starts to get
Speaker 1: a little dicey after Tristian Castles, but Christian Walker still
Speaker 1: solid and uh with the Houston Astros and Tristan Casses.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about him for a moment. You know you
Speaker 1: were expecting a big breakout last season. We didn't really
Speaker 1: have it. Is Is this year going to be the year?
Speaker 2: Ah? I'm thinking yes, what does sort of trouble me?
Speaker 2: There was a lot of chatter out of Boston about moving.
Speaker 1: Casses, trading him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know they you know, Craig
Speaker 2: Reslu actually had to come ot to you know, at
Speaker 2: the end of December and say they are not shopping cases.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's just media, if you meet,
Speaker 2: if media fueld or well I just.
Speaker 1: Read it the last week that you know, those those
Speaker 1: rumors have surfaced again.
Speaker 2: Well, you know he had thirteen homers last year in
Speaker 2: two hundred and twelve bats. Well, there's thirty five thirty
Speaker 2: five I think to forty home runs in that bat
Speaker 2: if he stays on the field. We saw twenty four
Speaker 2: of them and his in his full rookie season. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think he's a thirty plus home run type bat.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why they're Red Sox would be
Speaker 2: looking at moving him. It's got to be something that
Speaker 2: we're not privy to and probably never will be. But
Speaker 2: I like Castes. I think the upside is warranting and
Speaker 2: I think he's proved even in his brief career that
Speaker 2: you're you're looking at a probably a two sixty bat
Speaker 2: with thirty plus home run potential. Yeah, I'm investing this year.
Speaker 1: I don't see the two sixty bat I think there's
Speaker 1: the real pressure on his batting average because he strikes
Speaker 1: out a ton. Last year's expected batting average was two nineteen.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three was two fifty three. So let's he
Speaker 1: improves that strikeout rate. There's no speed. I think there's
Speaker 1: huge power. There's no question about looking at his hard
Speaker 1: hit rates and batspeed. It's all sitting there, and he'll
Speaker 1: have a high batting average, balls and play because he's
Speaker 1: got the ball hard. But I don't to sixty might be,
Speaker 1: might be a stretch of my view. I think I
Speaker 1: would get thirty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fine with that. I'm bullish. I want to
Speaker 2: see this kid succeed. And to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I don't have a vested interest in any of my
Speaker 2: dynasty keeper leagues.
Speaker 1: Yeah I don't either. Unfortunately, I think he's a he's
Speaker 1: a good that's a good asset in those leagues. Let's
Speaker 1: take a break to me come back and do uh
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen more?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Coming at number eleven is Spencer Steer, number twelve, Jake Berger.
Speaker 1: Cody Bellinger comes in at thirteen. Paul Goldchmid at fourteen wound,
Speaker 1: Paul Goldschmith just just dropping, and then Michael Bush at fifteen,
Speaker 1: Michael totally at Tames Buddy, Michael Togalia, Reyese Hoskins at
Speaker 1: at seventeen MP. Tim has a lot of law for
Speaker 1: Reese Hoskins, Jake Cronenworth at eighteen. Nathaniel Lowe used to
Speaker 1: be Nate low. I guess he's changing. And Tim has
Speaker 1: no love at all for lewis a rise Okay.
Speaker 2: Yep, simple nothing, Jacber.
Speaker 1: I mean Spencer Steer speed and power last season outfield eligible.
Speaker 1: Should he be higher than where he.
Speaker 2: Is, I would move I would move him up. Possibly.
Speaker 2: I was looking at the grouping of Walker Castes. I
Speaker 2: just can't move him right now, simply because I think
Speaker 2: I cherished the power a little bit more than the
Speaker 2: speed at first base. But again, Spencer Steer is a
Speaker 2: fine outfielder. Okay. What I did find interesting is, you know,
Speaker 2: the batting average should correct somewhat. Okay, as you know,
Speaker 2: the Babbitt babbit dropped in a big way from twenty
Speaker 2: three to twenty four, so I'm expecting that dip in
Speaker 2: the batting average to correct itself at least a bit
Speaker 2: but if if you look at his numbers, they're incredibly
Speaker 2: consistent over the past two years. I feel comfortable with
Speaker 2: Spencer Steer. I didn't a year ago, but with two
Speaker 2: years virtually identical years back to you know, I'm back
Speaker 2: to back. Yeah, I'm I like Spencer Steer.
Speaker 1: Cody Bellinger. You can make the argument that this player
Speaker 1: should perform well next season or this coming season. He's
Speaker 1: in New York, the park has made for him. He's
Speaker 1: once again looking to have that big score. But he
Speaker 1: could be a guy that never gets the big score
Speaker 1: because the data never looks good on this guy. Is
Speaker 1: there an opportunity for Cody Bellinger to be much better
Speaker 1: than the thirteenth first basement off the board?
Speaker 2: Yeah there is. Yeah. All he's got to do is
Speaker 2: what he did in twenty twenty three. Okay, Steal twenty bases,
Speaker 2: hit twenty five to thirty home runs, driving one hundred
Speaker 2: and score one hundred. Yeah, that moves him up. I
Speaker 2: don't see it. I don't think it's going to happen.
Speaker 2: So I am staying away again. More questions right now
Speaker 2: than answer. Say, if you take a look, you go
Speaker 2: back to twenty nineteen when he hit the forty seven
Speaker 2: home runs. You know, we know the story. You know,
Speaker 2: starting in twenty twenty twelve, oh By ten, nineteen, twenty six, eighteen.
Speaker 2: You know, he's only hit twenty he's only passed twenty
Speaker 2: homers once in the past five years.
Speaker 1: Just doesn't hit the ball very hard.
Speaker 2: That's not good odds it.
Speaker 1: No, the data does not support that he's a power hitter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: I'm not buying. I'm not going to pay the price.
Speaker 1: What I find interesting at the end of Cody Bellinger,
Speaker 1: if we look at that round tim where these guys
Speaker 1: are going, all of them are single digits. So Cody
Speaker 1: Bellinger eight, Jake Berger nine, Steer eight, Tristan Casses eight,
Speaker 1: we're at the topeen guys all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: realm of everybody after that thirteenth round, seventeenth round, thirteenth round,
Speaker 1: twentieth twentieth, eighteen thirteen. I think that to me is
Speaker 1: just so illustrious of how this thing drops off in
Speaker 1: a hurry and you just don't want to wait too
Speaker 1: long for first base.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I think Burger and Bellinger are
Speaker 2: overvalued in rounds nine and eight. There you go, yeah, yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah, it falls off a clip once you get
Speaker 2: through the first ten twelve guys, Yeah, like a big clip,
Speaker 2: you know when you're talking in the ten to twenty range.
Speaker 2: We've got two twenties, seventeen and an eighteen eighteenth round
Speaker 2: in your top twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that don't match up well, does it now?
Speaker 1: And that includes in a less a rise in the
Speaker 1: third I mean, I mean, yeah, it's it gets ugly
Speaker 1: in a hurry, everybody, So just just know that going
Speaker 1: into it. Number fifteenth is Michael Bush. You like him
Speaker 1: four more than where he's going in the NFBC. I
Speaker 1: love your your your common to bird in the hand
Speaker 1: is worth two in the bush. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it means, but like, is this a guy that what
Speaker 1: it is?
Speaker 2: What it is? It is? Take it, okay, fancy, I
Speaker 2: think Michael Bush will give you twenty to twenty five
Speaker 2: home runs eighty RBIs.
Speaker 1: So you don't see growth here.
Speaker 2: No, I don't see huge growth potential. No, I think
Speaker 2: he is what he is. But take it or you
Speaker 2: might end up debating some considerably lesser potential type players
Speaker 2: in a hurry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was funny last season. I remember it when
Speaker 1: I was doing my NFBC Draft. He was traded from
Speaker 1: the Dodgers to the Cubs during the middle of it,
Speaker 1: and I was so excited because I was maybe twelve
Speaker 1: spots away from getting a chance to get Michael Bush
Speaker 1: twentieth round or something like that, and I think he
Speaker 1: went two slots before I got it. I was really
Speaker 1: disappointed because people I clearly didn't believe or didn't catch it,
Speaker 1: but I got Cold Keith instead. I haven't compared their
Speaker 1: their their stat lines, but I think cold Keith's the
Speaker 1: better player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's got I think he's got more potential. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think there's an upside there. And I see Michael Bush.
Speaker 2: He's an okay player, he really is. But I don't
Speaker 2: see thirty five homers and one hundred and ten RBI
Speaker 2: seasons other Michael Bush moving forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah I don't. I don't either.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I said, I think he's a good player,
Speaker 2: but I don't think he'll be a great player.
Speaker 1: But then the day was okay with him. I mean again,
Speaker 1: it's doesn't hit the hits the ball pretty hard, bat
Speaker 1: speed's not great, doesn't chase very often, a lot of strikeouts,
Speaker 1: walks a ton, so that sounded a little bit like, uh,
Speaker 1: forgot who we were talking about, but that's an okay player.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I could see Michael Bush moving up as high
Speaker 2: as eleven twelve next year based on who's head who
Speaker 2: I have ahead of him right now, Paul Goldschmid, Cody
Speaker 2: Bellinger and Jake Berger. Yeah, yeah, and I think he
Speaker 2: will be. I think he'll be in an asset in
Speaker 2: our game. But I just I don't see the big numbers.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be safe, floor boring, but
Speaker 2: not a bad guy to have. I think he's better
Speaker 2: than the seventeenth round value, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Your buddy, Michael Togley. Anything to say more about him
Speaker 1: except your undying love for Michael Toglio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually I'm actually one lower in the NBCSY
Speaker 2: know would if he hit thirty five homers with a
Speaker 2: two ten batting average next year?
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. No. No, it's got big power.
Speaker 2: He's got big power, and it comes with the bonus
Speaker 2: of a ton of swinging mess right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd recall let me look at the date. I
Speaker 1: recall him not having great bat speed. Now it's got
Speaker 1: a pretty good batspeed, huge raw power, yeah, just so
Speaker 1: much swing and missing his game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so is expected batting average last year was
Speaker 1: two forty four because he hits the ball so hard.
Speaker 1: Average ex velocity is ninety two point one miles an hour. Whoa,
Speaker 1: that's that's big boy power. Reye. Hoskins said, you brought
Speaker 1: him up six. I mean, based on everything that's in there,
Speaker 1: at least he's gonna hit twenty five home runs.
Speaker 2: Wow, he ain't looking at the past. Yeah, looking at
Speaker 2: the past three seasons, he's he's yeah, he can, he
Speaker 2: can hit for power, but.
Speaker 1: It's certainly no badding knowlage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly leaves me sort of sad. I liked
Speaker 2: g Reese Tomskin's a lot coming into the league, and
Speaker 2: what we saw in twenty eighteen, that first first season.
Speaker 2: He's just never combination of health and he's just never
Speaker 2: duplicated that. So it sorta of leaves me a little
Speaker 2: bummed out. I had high hopes for Reson Reese Hoskins
Speaker 2: going back about five six years ago.
Speaker 1: It came up as affiliate. If I recall, it's fascinating though,
Speaker 1: if they take a look at twenty twenty one, huge
Speaker 1: raw power, the data supported that two thousand and twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two a huge raw power. He missed twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three with an injury, and then last year, I mean
Speaker 1: the power was down. So I mean he is thirty one,
Speaker 1: so maybe I don't know, maybe he just wasn't completely healthy.
Speaker 1: I can't believe there's been that big of a drop
Speaker 1: off from age twenty nine to thirty one. I guess
Speaker 1: it's possible. So yeah, but you know, the twenty six
Speaker 1: arm runs is probably a gift, but the two fourteen
Speaker 1: batting average is tough to take.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to go and exchange that gift to
Speaker 2: customer service at some point.
Speaker 1: Ye, Jake croni Worth, who I liked, I'll forget. He
Speaker 1: is second base eligible too if he comes in at
Speaker 1: number eighteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, seventeen home runs, five stolen bases. You
Speaker 2: look at his batting average and OBP over the past
Speaker 2: three years two thirty nine, two twenty nine, two forty
Speaker 2: one OBP three thirty two, three twelve, three, twenty four. Hey,
Speaker 2: he's a fine little player, but I think he's of
Speaker 2: more value in your middle infield, yep than he is
Speaker 2: at first base.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a he's a corner in the middle. I
Speaker 1: agree with that, but it's still not a bad player
Speaker 1: in the twentieth round. No, No, neither is Nathaniel Lowe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the same sort of situation. I think low could
Speaker 2: see a spike up because of the move to Washington.
Speaker 2: He's gonna move up in the order. Woman think him
Speaker 2: with all those uh uber talented kids. Yeah, there could
Speaker 2: be more more players on bass room to drive in.
Speaker 2: I I started like, I started, like, what was a
Speaker 2: corner infield type Lewis Arise.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to talk about him because I
Speaker 1: think everybody knows if you take Lewis Arise, you've done
Speaker 1: something wrong.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just put batting average, run score. There's
Speaker 2: still just two categories, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's Tim's that's Tim saying he doesn't contribute to the
Speaker 1: other three. Cause anybody's trying to figure out the subtleties
Speaker 1: of the great Tim McCloud. Let me clue you in
Speaker 1: after spending on many years with them, that is the subtlety.
Speaker 1: He is not accentuating the positive. He is accentuating the negative.
Speaker 2: There is there is.
Speaker 1: Exactly uh twenty one through thirty Luke rally Christian and
Speaker 1: caressing and Stan Yany Diaz, Spencer Horowitz, your buddy, Spencer Horwitz,
Speaker 1: five up on him, Ryan Montcastle, Andrew vaugh Nolan Shanywell, him,
Speaker 1: Her Candelaria, Jonah Bright and good old Tyler Sodastrom and Timmy.
Speaker 1: I don't blame you, Spencer, Porkle said, nowhere in that list,
Speaker 1: but it is disappointing. Nonetheless. In Carlos on Strand, what
Speaker 1: do we think? Man?
Speaker 2: He killed it in twenty three and in only you
Speaker 2: know a little bit more than two hundred at bats.
Speaker 2: I'm hurt last year though, yeah, he was hurt last year.
Speaker 2: I'm probably I don't know what the Reds are gonna do.
Speaker 2: They should find a way to get Martelle under that
Speaker 2: everyday lineup. They Strand should be playing every day. I
Speaker 2: don't know if they're going to. I'm I'm staying away
Speaker 2: simply because there's more questions than there are answers right now.
Speaker 2: And if I'm going to gamble on a younger player,
Speaker 2: even in around sixteen, there's got to be other options.
Speaker 2: I'm just not do the Reds. You know, we discussed
Speaker 2: it just a few minutes ago. They know what they're doing.
Speaker 2: It begs that question doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Yes, it does. The great John dene Is continues to
Speaker 1: be Tim's best buddy because Spencer Horowitz now has moved
Speaker 1: over there and temmis suggestin he is a potential corner
Speaker 1: infielder for you. So, uh, explain yourself, McLeod.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think John Dene's rushing out to buy
Speaker 2: season tickets.
Speaker 1: But so John, John dene everybody knows he's a huge
Speaker 1: He's a huge uh supporter of our our stuff that
Speaker 1: we righte we we We like John a lot. I
Speaker 1: think he's a Pittsburgh Pirate fan. I know he once was,
Speaker 1: but there's so much snark about his Pittsburgh Pirate fandom
Speaker 1: now I'm not sure if he's still a Pittsburgh Pirate
Speaker 1: fan or not.
Speaker 2: Do you know, I think he's a fan. He just
Speaker 2: doesn't want to admit it. Okay, he's in the denial.
Speaker 1: He's in that. He's in that bitter the bitter phase.
Speaker 1: You know, it's pretty funny, So he doesn't. He never
Speaker 1: loses out on an opportunity. Whenever something happens to the Pirates,
Speaker 1: John dene is all over it.
Speaker 2: Yes, he most certainly, and then for good cause, let's
Speaker 2: face it, that that is not exactly the the best
Speaker 2: run organization. Yeah, there's lots of he gets lots of
Speaker 2: opportunity for Snart. I like Horowitz. Yeah, I think Horowitz
Speaker 2: can give you. He can give you twenty home runs.
Speaker 2: I think he can give you seventy seventy RBIs and
Speaker 2: a decent betting average. Plus he also qualifies at second base,
Speaker 2: so there's middle infield opportunities. I sort of like Horowitz,
Speaker 2: not sort off. I do like Horowitz.
Speaker 1: I'm taking the under.
Speaker 2: I would. I would take him before Ryan Mountcastle and
Speaker 2: Andrew baughd definitely no, and I was half tempted for
Speaker 2: them ahead of Andy Diaz, who I'm not a huge
Speaker 2: fan of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an older player, great ability to make contact,
Speaker 1: looks like he could likes, you know, mash like nails
Speaker 1: with his hand or something. A guy looks like he's huge,
Speaker 1: but there's no power there. There's absolutely no leverage in
Speaker 1: a swing none.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So but do you see the guy's biceps, right, I
Speaker 1: mean they're gigantic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks he looks like he could hit.
Speaker 1: Forty Yeah, yeah, exactly he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know he's broken twenty home runs I
Speaker 2: think once in his career. I know, I know, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I mean again, do you want do you want
Speaker 2: the batting average OVP hope? Because other than that, he's
Speaker 2: not helping you much, is he?
Speaker 1: No, he's not. And he plays on a questionable team
Speaker 1: that I'm not sure how good that team is going
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: I think a lot is going to depend on Junior
Speaker 2: Camonaro and how and how he and how he eventually
Speaker 2: plays this year. I have no concerns about camon arow
Speaker 2: long term, but it is he's a young player, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's let's put the hopes on dreams on
Speaker 1: our team on a twenty one year old barely not
Speaker 1: eligible for Rookie of the Year this year. So that's
Speaker 1: that's tough. That's tough to lay on. I love Junior
Speaker 1: Canari camin Area long term, but that's a lot to
Speaker 1: put on him, and unfortunately, I think you're right. I
Speaker 1: think as it does land on him.
Speaker 2: Well, you look at the raised lineup and there's a
Speaker 2: few question marks.
Speaker 1: There's nothing, there's just nothing there. It's just every time,
Speaker 1: you know, the people in the front office are just
Speaker 1: going damn wanderfrontco because that was the guy that was there,
Speaker 1: that was their.
Speaker 6: Stud and I was that was her future and then
Speaker 6: for having a five years, that was the guy they
Speaker 6: were going to build the team around. And it just
Speaker 6: is really sickening.
Speaker 1: Uh. Andrew Vaughn still hoping he does something.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: I think I think it's fairly save seventy type floor
Speaker 2: more potentially if you can get away from the White Sox.
Speaker 2: You know, I got him at twenty six. Yeah, if
Speaker 2: you're looking for a corner infield with twenty seventy type potential, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what he's going to give you. And the reason
Speaker 2: I have Luke Luke Brayley. I think it's twenty seventy
Speaker 2: guy too, but he's gonna throw some speed in there
Speaker 2: and field eligibility. So I sort of like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: take a look at Raley. I've got him six slots
Speaker 2: ahead of the NBC crew. But I think that eligibility
Speaker 2: and a little bit of speed it counts for a
Speaker 2: bit in this chier.
Speaker 1: I'm going to boldly say, if Tyler Sodastrom isn't performing
Speaker 1: well on June fifteenth, say hello to Nick Kurtz.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got no problems with that at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it might be earlier than that might be. I
Speaker 1: think this is the put up or shut up here
Speaker 1: for soda strm. You better it?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and you know you say the same thing,
Speaker 2: you know, looking at looking at the Marlins. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: got Jordan and Bride and Matt Mrvis is there now,
Speaker 2: and you got Devison de Los Angles. If Bride doesn't
Speaker 2: do anything in the first month of the season, Matt
Speaker 2: Nervis will or de Los Angeles they'll do something there, right.
Speaker 1: Gosh, I hope It'steela Santos. I really do. I mean,
Speaker 1: Matt Nervis would be. You gotta be kidding me. Where's
Speaker 1: Steela Santos? I would? I would be producing his T
Speaker 1: shirt that says free Dela Santo's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you read my comment on Jordanah Bride? I
Speaker 2: found that.
Speaker 1: Let's let's I will be the judge if it's a
Speaker 1: good writing and fascinating.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: The eleven home runs he hit last year in two
Speaker 1: and thirty two at bats were good enough to be
Speaker 1: the fourth highest total of the Marlins. Wow, it's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 1: Two of the three players that best at Bride last
Speaker 1: year aren't returning. Devison, d Lo Santo's to the rescue
Speaker 1: question Mark, that's a great write up to him. Well
Speaker 1: done there, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, his eleven home runs now puts him
Speaker 2: the second highest home run total last.
Speaker 1: Year after Jesus Sanchez.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's it.
Speaker 1: Who hit what nineteen?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly. You want to you know, you google power
Speaker 2: odage and the Marlins logo comes up. That's crazy. Eleven
Speaker 2: home runs puts him the second highest home run total
Speaker 2: on the returning players in Miami.
Speaker 1: Like, it's funny we're talking about Tyler Soldis from I
Speaker 1: didn't even read your little comment. There is significant power potential,
Speaker 1: but lurking in the shadows is Nick Kurt's. The clock
Speaker 1: is ticking, So Tim and I are thinking exactly the
Speaker 1: same thing. Timmy to take a break and then pop
Speaker 1: around these last fifty or so that your names you got,
Speaker 1: and then we'll wrap it up. Sounds good, apologize. I
Speaker 1: look down and we're gone an hour and twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: I could talk to you all day about this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. This is just fascinating to me. Carlos Santos
Speaker 1: is on my NFBC team.
Speaker 2: Carlos Santana, you mean the Santos.
Speaker 1: Carlos Santana is on my NFC team. I don't know.
Speaker 1: If it's good for me. But I kind of got
Speaker 1: caught out a little bit. I don't remember if it's
Speaker 1: my corner infielder or I forgot where we're kind of
Speaker 1: my first bat. But I kind of like Carlos Santos.
Speaker 1: Carlos Santana coming into the season. I know he's old,
Speaker 1: still makes great contact, he still hits the ball pretty hard.
Speaker 1: It's going back home to Cleveland. It feels good to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna play at any time you're looking after
Speaker 2: about the thirtieth player on the board. The fact that
Speaker 2: they're gonna play, that should count. I like Santana better
Speaker 2: than LaMonte Wade Junior and Torkleson, who I've shuffled down considerably.
Speaker 2: We know Santana's gonna play. He's played well in the past. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's got to count.
Speaker 1: Would you gamble on Spencer Torkleson though, because he's I mean,
Speaker 1: there's too much power there for them for the Tigers
Speaker 1: to completely ignore him? Right?
Speaker 2: No, Okay, you can play all year at Triple A.
Speaker 1: Yeah that would be a real bummer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he abe would I know? I my love affair
Speaker 2: with Spencer Torkelsen. It's done.
Speaker 1: I like your number thirty eight. Yeah, I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit lower than where he's going in the NFBC. But
Speaker 1: Jonathan Ronda, I can play a little bit. And I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows if he gets an opportunity to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good player.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, I looked at him. I look to Tampa
Speaker 2: Bray Bay, and you know, do they get him the opportunity?
Speaker 2: Does he platoon? You know, he just throw everything into
Speaker 2: the mix. And I he's not somebody that I'm overly
Speaker 2: bullish on speak just speacause of the mitigating factors. I
Speaker 2: feel much better about Miranda if he was on another.
Speaker 1: Chain somewhere else. I agreed. Nick Kurtz is at forty five,
Speaker 1: Bryce Eldritch at forty six, and Jack Kaglianoli Kagliani is
Speaker 1: at forty seven. You get him very very late. I
Speaker 1: know you've got Kurtz ahead of Eldritch, ahead of Kaghliana.
Speaker 1: Who do you think is the guy that breaks out
Speaker 1: and is much higher on this list next year out
Speaker 1: of those three?
Speaker 2: Kurtz, I think so too. I think he gets the opportunity.
Speaker 2: And getting that opportunity, you know, all he's got to
Speaker 2: do is go on a tear and hit, you know,
Speaker 2: ten homers in two weeks, which is possible, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden he's a third round pick next year. Right.
Speaker 2: We know how recency bias, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: All it takes is a little bit of a hot spell,
Speaker 2: and I think he's going to get the opportunity. The
Speaker 2: other two, I've got them ranked in the order basically
Speaker 2: of opportunity right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Eldridge he might. He's got the most
Speaker 1: power of the three. I think Kurts is still the
Speaker 1: best player of the three. I don't see that Kagalano
Speaker 1: is going to get a shot, but I could be
Speaker 1: well agree because but I do think Kurts would be
Speaker 1: one of the guys that if I were to truly
Speaker 1: bat on somebody who could blow up in the second
Speaker 1: half and really help you, it might be Kurtz.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to make a waiverwear article. I am
Speaker 2: pretty confident in that, I think.
Speaker 1: So what about let's sayhim give a couple more names.
Speaker 1: Uh oh, Zach's Desenzo with the Houston aste. Does he
Speaker 1: get an.
Speaker 2: Opportunity maybe in the ocean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got a they got a pretty poor outfield.
Speaker 1: I like the sense of it. It's a bummer. He's
Speaker 1: like getting a shot.
Speaker 2: Well again, they brought in Christian Walker, right, yes, so
Speaker 2: it's it's a it's outfield d h or bust right yeah?
Speaker 1: Well third base? Who's playing third base?
Speaker 2: Uhman is? Oh, he's a free agent.
Speaker 1: A couple other interesting names. Uh Tyler Locklear h just
Speaker 1: just fell off. They got one shot and didn't really
Speaker 1: perform in this Everybody just writing this guy off.
Speaker 2: I think, so, yeah, you know, when when I look
Speaker 2: at when I look at the skills of Luke Raley,
Speaker 2: I I don't see him beating Luke Raley out for
Speaker 2: a job. I rather like Luke Braley, especially with the eligibility.
Speaker 2: I got him considerably hard in the NBC. I I
Speaker 2: don't see the Mariners heading in that direction unless there
Speaker 2: is injury or severe struggles. So I've got him fairly low.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough. I mean, I never thought Tyler Lockley
Speaker 1: would be like a great player, but the fact that
Speaker 1: he seems to be written off is a bit of
Speaker 1: a bummer. I mean, he's still like young kids twenty
Speaker 1: four years old.
Speaker 2: M hm, that he is. But until I start hearing
Speaker 2: something positive coming out of Seattle, Like what do you do.
Speaker 1: Does Anthony Rizzo get a chance to play in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five.
Speaker 2: If he stays in shape in the second half, he might.
Speaker 1: Yeah, any idea where he's going to sign.
Speaker 2: Not a clue. Whoever, du do injury needs a first basement.
Speaker 2: That would be the way I'd be approaching him with Rizzo.
Speaker 1: So who's playing first base and C and diego? Because
Speaker 1: Lewis the rises out there?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? Probably a rise?
Speaker 1: Yeah he is, wouldn't Anthony Rizzo looked better at first
Speaker 1: space and littles of rise. At least you get more
Speaker 1: power there.
Speaker 2: Joey Gallow looked better. Fills the uniform. He gives you
Speaker 2: some power. But no, again, I should be that negative
Speaker 2: on a rise.
Speaker 1: But uh, you got Eggie Rosario sitting at DH. I
Speaker 1: put Lewis a rise at d H and bringing a
Speaker 1: guy like Rizzo on a cheap one year deal or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to work with all the kids before
Speaker 2: they trade him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, something like that, something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I you look at his numbers, okay, and
Speaker 2: over the past two seasons. I'm just doing this off
Speaker 2: at the top of my head. I believe he hit
Speaker 2: twelve homers followed by eight homers last year. Like, I'm
Speaker 2: sure if they could get Rizzo, it would make sense
Speaker 2: to make a move like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, your your buddy, Ben Rice. Try to tell you, Tim,
Speaker 1: you would not listen too.
Speaker 2: Stubborn me stubborn. I'm shocked you said you knew me.
Speaker 1: I look, I feel bad. I mean, Ben Rice, he
Speaker 1: was a guy that got off the snide really well,
Speaker 1: looked like an unbelievable player, and the league just caught
Speaker 1: up to me. He's an okay player. He needs to
Speaker 1: get moved to get a shot. He's not gonna get
Speaker 1: a shot in New York.
Speaker 2: No, that ain't I agreed, But I think there's still
Speaker 2: enough skills if he if he is moved and gets it,
Speaker 2: I think he can be an okay player, not great, Okay.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's let's get to the tough questions
Speaker 1: here for some time.
Speaker 2: Say you didn't even list my bottom four. I I
Speaker 2: sort of smiled when I saw my bottom four.
Speaker 1: All right, let's look at ten bottom four Roddy to Laz,
Speaker 1: Justin Turner, Hose Bray really and Joey Gallo. Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess out of those, I might consider Justin Turner
Speaker 1: just because I think he's gonna play a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, do the other guys. I guess Justin Turner's
Speaker 1: not not even hired, is he?
Speaker 2: No, none of they're all free agents.
Speaker 1: I thought just a Turner on the job. All right,
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong?
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, yeah, yeah, who knows.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Let's let's get to the tough questions here, my friend,
Speaker 1: Uh break down and we did the top ten chance? Okay,
Speaker 1: which player not in the top ten has a chance
Speaker 1: to emerge there next season?
Speaker 2: Not in the top ten? I'm not going I'm not.
Speaker 1: You can't say Spencer Steer, deer Berger, Bellinger, Goldsmith, Michael Bush, Toglia,
Speaker 1: Hoskins Neck or boy good luck. Uh trying to be bold,
Speaker 1: my friend.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think it might be. I'll go with Strand.
Speaker 1: Really I'm going to be really really bold, really really
Speaker 1: really bold. Nick Kurkzer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the other way, because it's.
Speaker 1: Funny because you always want to take the eleventh guy,
Speaker 1: twelfth guy or whatever. And Timmy, I if those guys
Speaker 1: jump up, I'm bummed. I mean it's Bellinger, Goldschmidt, I mean, Bush,
Speaker 1: might Houstin Stile. They're just not very exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why. Yeah. Yeah, Hey, Luke Graley, it's twenty five.
Speaker 2: Homer steels fifteen bases and drives any runs. Luke Raley
Speaker 2: could be a top ten first base. It's got to
Speaker 2: be somebody at first base. It's got to be somebody
Speaker 2: off the radar, deeper in the pack, because I just
Speaker 2: don't see, you know, when I look at that group
Speaker 2: from ten to twenty, other than Spencer Steer, they all
Speaker 2: come with their warts and they're not going away. Jake
Speaker 2: Berger is never going to hit two seven of I
Speaker 2: don't think Cody Bellinger. Yeah, Paul Goldschmith, you'd be at
Speaker 2: thirty seven, thirty eight next year. Yeah. Michael Bush, I
Speaker 2: think his steady is totally is all power and no
Speaker 2: batting average. Yeah, Hoskins to fourteen, I think more than
Speaker 2: the bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if we if we look, if you look as
Speaker 1: I got last year's rank here, I mean the guys
Speaker 1: that the two guys that really jumped up from last
Speaker 1: year were Michael Bush at four forty seven this year
Speaker 1: at two forty two, and Totally at seven six.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Everything else is, you know, just kind of shifting back
Speaker 1: and forth in the first base lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, I agree, I do.
Speaker 1: Like those And you're throwing an Xavier or Isaac too.
Speaker 1: I mean there's this this three guys that you had
Speaker 1: grouped together with Kurtz, or this loops like Kurtz, Eldridge
Speaker 1: and Man, Kurts and Aldridge, or the maybe the two
Speaker 1: hope for the future in the next couple of years,
Speaker 1: that the guys that can really provide some excitement to
Speaker 1: the position. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And know the reason that I listed Isaac because I
Speaker 2: think there's the potential there. But I've got him a
Speaker 2: bit lower than those three because again it's the rays, right.
Speaker 1: Give me a couple of sleepers, Tim, a couple of sleepers.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if I don't know if he's
Speaker 2: a sleeper, but you know I'm all over dol Santos. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's yeah.
Speaker 1: But that might be more with your heart, right.
Speaker 2: And then again we can bring up stubbornness into the discussion. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if I was looking at a total sleeper, I'd be
Speaker 2: drafting Nick Kurtz. I really would. Ah, you look at
Speaker 2: the situation in Miami, Mett nervous good at twenty five
Speaker 2: home runs there, I will I'm not taking it.
Speaker 1: I steak and liquor anything you want, I will do
Speaker 1: it on twenty five home runs.
Speaker 2: The only thing I could do steak and liquor on
Speaker 2: there with Nervous is that he finishes outside of the
Speaker 2: top fifty.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But other than that, you know, Josh Bell can hit
Speaker 2: twenty five home runs. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What's the last time he hit twenty five home runs? Though?
Speaker 2: Josh Bell, Well, let's just he's in Washington.
Speaker 1: Did he get signed by Washington? He just got signed recently, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in Washington. He hit nineteen last year. The
Speaker 2: year before he hit twenty two, he hit seventeen. The
Speaker 2: last time he hit twenty five was in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: He hit twenty seven. Yeah, with Washington of ball teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, he goes back to Yeah, he goes
Speaker 1: back home. Basically, I think it's more fifteen to twenty
Speaker 1: home run pop and he's going to be competing with
Speaker 1: somebody though, for with Nate Lowe, Well, are they gonna play?
Speaker 1: I guess I'll played, probably.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna DG.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But again, Josh belget are in his keep for you
Speaker 2: because it's not a very expensive keep right, it is not.
Speaker 1: I I do like Ronda. I hope he gets a shot.
Speaker 1: That's what it would be one of my guys that
Speaker 1: I would think. I don't see any calculus that gats
Speaker 1: Decenzo a shot, but that's a name to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on if somebody gets hurt and he gets a shot.
Speaker 2: It's just you look at that oatfield and you would
Speaker 2: think maybe there is a chance.
Speaker 1: Maybe, right, Yeah, man, I do look up born Olcarlo Santana.
Speaker 1: He's gonna hit twenty two home runs and you know,
Speaker 1: not crush you in batting average, on base skills, and
Speaker 1: be in the middle of a pretty good team, not
Speaker 1: a great offensive team, but that's not a bad guy
Speaker 1: for twenty three eighty kind of in what brown is
Speaker 1: he going in? Thirty fifth round?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 2: Twenty three homers last year, seventy one RBI scort. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you look at his numbers over the past four years,
Speaker 2: you get nineteen, nineteen, twenty three and twenty three. RBIs
Speaker 2: are sixty nine, sixty eighty six, seventy one. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: batting average two thirty eight to forty the two years
Speaker 2: prior to that two o two, two fourteen. So I
Speaker 2: I don't think I think I think there's he's a
Speaker 2: twenty seventy player. Yep, it won't kill you in batting average.
Speaker 2: Robp that's all right.
Speaker 1: If he gets if you get stuck like I did,
Speaker 1: it's not a not a horrible player.
Speaker 2: Weaver Wire as much as Jeff Hoffman did last year.
Speaker 1: Give me one. Give me a guy or two that
Speaker 1: you're disavoiding drafting.
Speaker 2: You're gonna limit it to one or two?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, somebody that's going early in the draft that
Speaker 1: you just don't want.
Speaker 2: Okay, Freddy Freeman, I won't touch this.
Speaker 1: You got it. That's good.
Speaker 2: Peter Alnzo, Yeah, uh, nope.
Speaker 1: Nope, you're you're you're going to avoid or nope, you'll
Speaker 1: you will take him?
Speaker 2: No, I am avoiding him.
Speaker 1: I agree with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, going down the list, I won't pay the price
Speaker 2: for Cody Bellinger. I don't want Paul Goldschmid. I'll take
Speaker 2: Michael Togalia. I didn't draft, so I just pure power
Speaker 2: Louise Rise. If we know the story, I don't need
Speaker 2: to go through that one again. Yeah, Andy Diaz as
Speaker 2: much the same for me as Luise arives. Ryan Ryan Mountcastle.
Speaker 2: I know i'll'll talk about the wall and moving everything out. No,
Speaker 2: that's not no. I don't see myself rostering Ryan Mountcastle
Speaker 2: in any leagues other than the Oh five, because we've
Speaker 2: got them and we're not letting go them. As Shanual
Speaker 2: is again, are ten fifteen home runs enough? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm staying away from all idell for the most part.
Speaker 1: So is Freddy Freeman the bowl call there that maybe
Speaker 1: he is going to finally fall from an elite performer here?
Speaker 1: Are you willing to kind of put yourself out on
Speaker 1: a limb for that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am willing to say that. I think Freddy
Speaker 2: Freeman will be a very good player, but I think
Speaker 2: we're going to start seeing a bit of a decline.
Speaker 2: I don't see those twenty stolen base type seasons, and hey,
Speaker 2: it has to happen at some point in time. He
Speaker 2: said that he's had an amazing career and he's still
Speaker 2: a very good player, but I don't think I don't
Speaker 2: think he warrants right now a draft slot of twenty four.
Speaker 1: Take our final break, Tim, come back and wrap this
Speaker 1: puppy up.
Speaker 3: Sounds good, amazing stuff.
Speaker 1: Tim, just really really good stuff. So thank you very much.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: So next week, are we at second base?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a that's a personal question. Rich.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm hoping so hey, big hey, big boy at
Speaker 1: second base. I mean, I don't know how you mean
Speaker 1: to say it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's that's the goal that Okay, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be working on it as soon as we get
Speaker 2: off the air and and get Nader. So yeah, hopefully
Speaker 2: second base. It's on the agenda for next Sunday.
Speaker 1: Well, Tim, have a great Sunday. Off It sounds like
Speaker 1: you got some plans and the following Sunday, I'm going
Speaker 1: to need you to hopefully, uh maybe do it at
Speaker 1: noon if that works.
Speaker 2: I'm cool with whatever works.
Speaker 1: Rich, Yep, so we'll well, we'll talk about that sometime
Speaker 1: between now and then. But great stuff, Tim, Any final comments.
Speaker 2: No other other than like I said, hey, you've got
Speaker 2: your you've got the guys that you want, and then
Speaker 2: you've got guys that you're gonna you're gonna sort of
Speaker 2: put up with. And in my books, I want one
Speaker 2: of the I want one of the top tier for
Speaker 2: first basemen. That's that's fairly important to me. This year.
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Speaker 2: You as well, my friend, be safely, will and we'll
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