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Speaker 1: Joining us tonight is Jake Rattlesnake. I like to go

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by Lord Rattlesnake or Lord Jake. Most based chat of

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all the lands.

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Speaker 2: You don't have an argument, present or shut up.

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Speaker 1: Everyone with you is definitely inherently biased. So this is

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when debate becomes very I can hear what you're saying,

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and I can see that you're dressed as a cat.

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He said you'd like to go play fetch?

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Speaker 2: Yes, So how did that tie.

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Speaker 3: Into your relationship?

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Speaker 1: Like? What are you looking for? If you're a dog?

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You know, I think you've done Junior. Lord be president

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one day if I was a gambling and I put

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money on that.

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Speaker 3: Found of Rattlesnake TV.

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Speaker 1: Jake. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to Rattlesnake TV reality

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based podcast. We have got Jaydre on the channel today.

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Jay welcome. Your streams have been absolutely crushing recently. I

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haven't been able to get through them all because there's

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just so much content there that it's like it's it's

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hard to even find the time on two three x speed.

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But yeah, it's keeping me very entertained.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, I'm doing great.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's unfortunately there's no shortage of content to cover,

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given the vast amount of unspeakable horrors coming out on

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a daily basis, on a minute by minute basis. In

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regard to your boy Jeff Stein McCaffrey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've been covering this one for years. I mean,

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when did it come on your radar, this whole Epstein story.

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Speaker 4: I think I heard this first from a Ben Swann

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report on RT I want to say, maybe around twenty sixteen.

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the four Chan information coming out that would be eventually

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to Zazgit whatever we can or can't say here, but

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you know what I'm talking about, that morphed into the

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disinformation operation known as q chan or a shumig q

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q trd stuff on four channe I should say. And

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so it was around that time that I first heard

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about him, and then Alex covered it pretty significantly for

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a good while. In regard to the Lalita Express, which

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was the first I think, big mainstream news story that

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broke with high profile people, celebrities, academics, CEOs flying on

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the planes and reportedly being compromised, you know, in the

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Mile High Club. So that was what everybody kind of

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thought it was originally and then it was a lot

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of Clinton information and it was kind of connected adjacent

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to wiki leagues back in twenty sixteen, seventeen eighteen, So

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Speaker 1: Yeah, along to Watson was the first person I ever

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saw cover that. I think he did a video way

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back even before maybe Epstein was even arrested, like talking

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about talking about Epstein Islands. So yeah, a few people

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were onto this early early days. But yeah, guys, so

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we're going to be going through all of that, the

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history of it, who is Jeffrey Epstein, and and then

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some of the more nefarious things. We're going to get

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into the banking, the Rothschild's connection, the connection with old

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school money Rothschilds, and then new tech. We're going to

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get into his obsession with eugenics and Peter Nyguard and

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the use of what would you call it, the use

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of plood plasm a boarded stem cells for the Fountain

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of youth it's all. And then we're going to get

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into the theory of is could Jeffrey still be alive?

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So it should be an entertaining one today, guys, if

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you do want to leave a super chat. We will

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read them out in intervals between topics. Leave Jay a

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question whatever you want to ask him. If you go

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on stream elements which should be pinned in the comments

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be an immediate question read. So I guess Jay to

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stay by the way. Guys like the video on the way,

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and if you could just smash that like button helps

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is a touchy subject on YouTube and they do tend

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to put this one on the back burner. So Jay,

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even I thought that for a little while, maybe he

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and there are much bigger people than him. But for

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those wondering who exactly is he and what role does

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the pyramids, so he's kind of a mid level fixer consultant,

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and my estimation would be an organized crime PhD. There

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are actually people in the world organized crime and tells

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and whatnot who do specialize in the ability to network

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and finance and organize things. For example, one thing that

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the mafia and organized crime, and I've done a lot

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of research in that subject over the years. And on

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my stream right before this, we were covering an interview

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with Mayor Lansky, and a lot of people don't know

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that the famous gangster Mayor Lansky was actually organizing and

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helping Lucky Liciano to set up the structure of the

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Sicilian mafia in America. So it's actually the Tony Sopranos

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that we kind of go to, people like Sidney Korshak

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and Mayor Lansky to get the overall structure of the

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connections and networking. In fact, even murder inc. The famous

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glosbal structure that maybe a lot of mafias only have

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in a region. So I think expand Mayor Lanski internationally,

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and you really understand Epstein. But I think you're right

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that he's not the top of the pyramid. There's certainly

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people that seem to be in many emails giving him orders,

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giving him permission to assassinate people, et cetera. But he

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was very powerful because the second day, some of the

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messages and emails that came out included an organizing struck

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like a planning a day planner that had him meeting

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about fifteen heads of state throughout the entire world, fifteen

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different countries. And you know you're not doing that unless

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you have a lot of power. We have him one

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month before Zelensky comes to power, he's in Ukraine. He

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flies over there after emails with are in a Drothschild

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saying we can profit from this chaos and decabilization. We're

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able to go in and buy it up. We see

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him asking to actually Zelenski, asking to get the attention

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of Epstein for consultation, advice and purposes. So he seems

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felled figure. But he's not at the top of the pyramid.

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wealth than him. But he's definitely liaisoning and being a

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league gate of the Rothschilds and perhaps Israel at various degrees.

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how to get Peter Thiel into the web, to get

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him on their side, as well as other companies, corporations,

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and so it's pretty much all of the worst stuff

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Speaker 3: But it's not new.

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Speaker 4: This is something that people should understand that I've really

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historical texts that deal with the history of blackmail, honey traps,

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sexpionage that's always gone on. It's just that I think

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nowadays with tech and sophistication in terms of globalization, it's

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it or not, in terms of how they do even

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organize crime and these operations.

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Speaker 3: So it's all of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who do you think sort of sits above him?

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governments and the intelligence agencies that he's working for?

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Speaker 3: Great question.

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a really important person to look to. Robert I'm saying

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because Robert Maxwell was the front for the Rothschilds back

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during the Cold War, at least one of the fronts.

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and Pergama Press. In fact, they actually published that global

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elite text Changing Images a Man that we covered a

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few weeks ago on Alex Jones that got a lot

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of traction, that was published by Epstein, but I mean

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by Maxwell. But Maxwell was part of a cutout of

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an empire of billions of dollars of publishing. But he

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was also really working for British intelligence. Initially everybody thought

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and he was, and he was brought into that and

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sort of coached by Victor Rothchild, and Victor Rocheld was

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famously British intelligence. But a lot of people even years

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speculating that in the Cambridge spy Ring case, where there's

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this suspicious, mysterious missing person of the Cambridge spy Ring,

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and for those who don't know, during the Cold War,

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this is a bunch of British intelligence agents who famously

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flipped and affected to the Soviet Union. And by the way,

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most of them or all of them were actually gay,

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flipped into I'm hearing myself.

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, yeah, all right.

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Speaker 3: So base, So long story short.

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Speaker 4: The reason this matters is that those British intelligence operatives

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like Kim Philby and Guy Burgess and MacLean and Blunt,

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they flipped and became Soviets and went to Russia because

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they had actually been blackmailed by unknown Soviets and intelligence operatives.

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might have actually Lord Rothschild. This whole time, we don't

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person who really coached and trained just Laine and Robert

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was perhaps Rothschild himself, Lord Victor Rothchild out of the UK.

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that this is an older operation that's just sort of

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copied and pasted for.

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Speaker 3: The next generation.

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Speaker 4: So just Layne and Robert, or excuse me, just Laine

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and Epstein sort of take that over. And so they

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bring Epstein in, right, So he's not part of any

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blue blood plant family. They bring that up in the

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Bannon interview. You know, he says he's just just a

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regular Jewish guy, but he's recruited him because he seems

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to have certain talent and abilities. It's still debated how

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mathematical and scientifically a savant he really was. I get

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a lot of indications of being a sued from that

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Bannon interview that he wasn't actually as intelligent as he

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comes off. But he is really skilled at networking, consulting,

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Speaker 3: And there are.

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Speaker 4: Actual people that have the equivalent of like PhDs in

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criminal organizations, believe it or not, So I would say

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that's what he is. And when you look at Maxwell

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and the background it's a copy paste operation that suggests

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foreignheads of state. Rothschild's another I would say would be

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especially Massad for example. I know we're not going to

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focus on that, but that's relevant because of Maxwell. Again,

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because there was that very very insightful email from Jeffrey

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that he's explaining the reason that Robert Maxwell was assassinated

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was that while he was working for British intelligence in

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the Massad, he was also selling secrets and giving information

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to the Soviets. So he's playing both sides of the

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with people like Armin Hammer and people like Lord Victor

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Rothschild playing both sides.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: Maxwell apparently tried to do that, and he tried to

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extort the Massade for four hundred million pounds, and so

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he had appointed himself as the attache without being asked

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to do so, apparently for Israel to the Soviet Union,

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and Israel resented that.

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Speaker 1: So I think that pointed himself in the water exactly

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kind on the water falling off the boat accidentally, right exactly.

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these kinds of operations. And also remember Epstein is brought

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this is an oss CIA kind of early stage recruiting,

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bringing in grooming process. But he also liaisons and works

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with other intelligence agencies too. As whitney Web points out,

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he has multiple passports, which again indicates most likely some

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sort of intelligence pedigree. And now that the emails have

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come out, I think that's one of percent confirmed.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think it is about these new

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emails that really specifically point to intelligence? Because before this

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we had lots of associations with government figures. For example,

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you had a Hood Barak and he's very close relationship

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with him. You've obviously got Robert Maxwell who you mentioned before,

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Gislaine obviously being his daughter. What is it about these

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emails that really sort of highlight that.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot The first thing I would say is.

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Speaker 4: In terms of the background, you know, being brought into

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these you know, certain schools and certain private academies and whatnot,

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being groomed to then be put into Wall Street. One odd,

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odd indicator is the fact that when he went to

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bear Stearns and was involved in insider trading, his partner

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Hoffman or Hofstet or whatever it is, that that guy

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went to jail, but Epstein did not get any trouble.

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some deal cuts something like that. A lot of people

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have called attention to that. And then it's sort of

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immediately he's brought into just a scale of operation and

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connections that just really don't make sense with the background

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that he originally had. And then they seem to have

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concocted a legend. And in the spy world, people that

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have a shady background or made up background, it's called

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a legend, which gives you the story of, oh, i'm this,

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I'm a money manager a hedge funds, I handled billions

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of dollars and that may or may not be true, right, so,

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but it might be part of your back your background,

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cover or story. And then he's immediately connected in the

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circles of famous weapons traffickers like a non koshogi and

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its little side note, Kashowgi's yacht was also set up

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with surveillance equipment was involved in a famous case of

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bringing in underage I think Pakistani prostitutes back in the

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eighties or nineties. Whitney Web highlights that in the first

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couple of chapters. But so those connections and associations right away,

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having multiple passports right away. When Acosta, the lawyer from

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the the from Florida was involved in this case, he

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was originally told when he was looking into this, let

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Epstein go.

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Speaker 3: He's intelligence.

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Speaker 4: So we already had a lot of these indicators coming out,

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and we have arivn Minashi, who was a former Massaud operative,

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telling many many news outlets over the last several years

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that obviously, of course Epstein was Massad. So you've got

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a lot of testimonies, a lot of evidences. But I

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think now that the emails and the files have come out,

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we have everything from Epstein giving money to the IDF.

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Epstein is essentially directly working many many times. Even mainstream

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media reported that Hud Barack visited his mansion dozens of

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times sixteen maybe something like that in New York. Very

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close associations working with Ehud Barack. We've all heard this

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phone call. I think now about how to get Peter

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Teel involved. I mean, everything about this just totally I

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think screams. You know that there's the bann in the

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changes where he says all roads lead not to China

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but the Tel Aviv. I mean, you can just keep

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going on and on. And it also again bears to

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all the similarities and patterns.

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Speaker 3: Of of the Maxwell operation.

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Speaker 4: And little side note, my buddy Mark Hackard, he's an

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analyst of espionage history and whatnot, a translator, and he

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translated a KGB colonel's Cold War era assessment of Maxwell,

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and he put this up maybe seven or eight years ago,

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and it was a really fascinating take to see the

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Soviets attitude from their generals and colonels as to what

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they understood Maxwell to be. And they pictured him as

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a person trying to play both sides of the Cold

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War right, and that they thought he was selling secrets

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to the Soviets as he was trying to blackmail Western

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intelligence and the Masade. And that's exactly what happened. So ironically,

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the Soviet account of Maxwell seems to have been vindicated

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and correct here as well, and that's according to Jeffrey's testament,

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which you know, perhaps Jeffrey was lying or he didn't know,

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but that seems.

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Speaker 3: To make the most sense.

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Speaker 4: So again that indicates I think, you know, high level

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Israeli operation to a degree, but also CIA as well.

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We shouldn't leave that out because I think, as Mike

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Benn showed several emails, Epstein was using you know, former

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CIA planes flying them for many decades without any problem.

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He also seemed to have Department of Justice or state department,

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I forget. Whitney Webb has a chapter on this. He

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stayed at a place, an apartment owned by or that

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had that was a Department of State like property. Why

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was he allowed to stay at the property and to

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do things seemingly at an international state level even after

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being you know, the known criminal.

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Speaker 3: So I think a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of those that a lot of that above the

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law stuff also suggests intelligence capabilities. And again you can

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with the relationship of Western intelligence through the Five Eyes

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and this kind of stuff like you can be multiple

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can work for multiple agencies so to speak.

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Speaker 1: M Yeah, one thing I did notice about his interview's

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post arrest was that he always seemed very unconcerned with things,

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and then after two thousand and nine, it's just pretty

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much business as usual. I mean, he's charged in two

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thousand and nine, he's put on the sex offenders list,

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and then after that it really does seem like business

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as usual again. But one of the questions I always

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do have is if he is an intelligence agent of

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some sort, and if he does have these deep entrenched

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ties with US and Israeli intelligence, and if he's a

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protected man or a made man in that sense, why

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did he get arrested in the first place, Like, how

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could it possibly be allowed that he would even be highlighted?

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If he's got all of these big intelligence connections, why

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are we here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Also, I think British intelligence is an important angle too,

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because a lot of times they're overlooked because people think

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about only the CIA, or they only think about Israeli intelligence.

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But British intelligence is a key player in this as well.

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In fact, British intelligence set up the American CIA, and

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of course they had a role as well in helping

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to establish the Masaude as Israel was established out of

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a British colony. So all of these things are interlinked

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with the special relationship between the US and the British intelligence,

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and that was my work, by the way, was studying

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British intelligence stuff.

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Speaker 3: So that's that's why I like to bring that in.

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Speaker 4: And remember Epstein very early on was going and hanging

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out with Princess d He's very close to several of

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the royals, especially Prince Andrew. So I think British intelligence

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is also important to understand in this relationship as well,

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because they are a big player. But it's all three

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of those, you know, Atlantis, Sist five Eyes networks together,

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and I think the reason he got caught is probably

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because something this big scale, this industrial in terms of

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its just scope and so many years, there's gonna be

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a lot of victims and at some point, you know,

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some people are going to come forward. And I think

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that's really what originally sort of began to you know,

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undo the sweater, to quote Weezer, When the sweaters undone,

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you keep pulling and pulling and pulling. Eventually it's like

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you can't just kill everybody and cover everything up.

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of like Nexium.

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Speaker 4: Nextium had a very similar kind of el billionaire bron

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Feman style structure that eventually so many people were wrapped

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up in this that when you start having the daughters

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of elite families even being offered up to Epstein, which

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I thought was pretty wild. I wouldn't have expected the

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you know, Royalty of the UK and EU to be

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so sort of flippant with, you know, give me parenting

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advice for my child, and here's here's my daughter Sophia,

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here's our daughter of Bulgaria or whatever, just trying to

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Denmark or whatever. That was pretty surprising. But I think

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eventually that you know, industrial scale stuff, it just there's

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so many people involved that it's too difficult to not

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have whistleblowers and women coming forward.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the things that I'm really interested in

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is the banking connection here. It appears as though Epstein

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was talking a lot about banking in the interview that

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he did did with Bennon. For example, he's talking about

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fractional reserve banking. If any people understood how this actually works.

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He has this connection with the Rothschilds. In one email

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where he's speaking to Peter Teel, he's saying that I

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represent the rothschild Now that could be interpreted multiple ways.

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that he's obviously manages assets, so he manages assets of

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the Rothschilds, and he's trying to speak to Peter Teel

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in a way that Peter Teel doesn't need money, but

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he would need access. So he's maybe saying, I represent

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the Rothschilds, I'll give you access to all of this

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old money. All of this old money is trying to

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find a way into new money, into tech. How did

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you interpret that, particularly the relationship with the Rothschilds.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, combined with the other emails that he's

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having with Orienta de rothschild and other statements about you know,

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the twenty five million dollars contract he had with the

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raw Childs, you have an older family. As you said,

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that is that is running things even two hundred, three

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hundred years ago on the basis of advanced intelligence. And

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I think a lot of people don't think about intelligence

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and espionage in the modern world.

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Speaker 3: Actually coming out.

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Speaker 4: Of banking in academia, they think about it like it's

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James Bond, its spies, it's going around fucking bitches.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not mainly that.

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Speaker 4: It's a little bit of that but it's mainly high

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finance and understanding human nature and compromising people. That's a

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huge part of what it is. It's also media and disinformation, sure,

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but as Epstein explains early on in the band An interview,

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he was recruited spotted ironically by the same people that

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spotted and recruited Brazenski. And in the case of the

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Trilateral Commission, this is a higher level commission kind of

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out of the Council Foreign Relations that the rock Feller

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set up in the nineteen twenties. The Trilateral was set

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up specifically by Kissinger for Brezenski to run in the

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nineteen seventies because Brezenski was so impressed with Kissinger was

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so impressed with Brazenski's book Between Two Ages and how

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well he understood the technocratic era. So they created the

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steering comittee for him to be on. And that's ironically

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what Epstein says, he was recruited into and put in

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the steering committee of Trilateral in nineteen ninety because of

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the Kissinger family and David Rockfeller himself really were impressed with,

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according to Epstein, his ability to understand high finance and

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to explain it to them. That's a very key thing there,

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and so knowing the fractional reserve banking aspect, which is

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basically just lending out banks lending out more than they

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have on reserves. And if you read Carol Quickly's trategy

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and Hope, he basically admits as a CFO apologist that

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Western banking for several hundred years has been based on

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that sort of Rothchild model.

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Speaker 3: That's what the federal reserve is based on, is.

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Speaker 4: The idea of putting out more gold notes than you

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actually have gold in the reserves. So that's why it's

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a fractional reserve. You only need a fraction of the

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reserves to match what you're putting out, so you can

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lend out sometimes even ten twenty times what you have

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on reserve, and then you charge interest on these loans,

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and then you can buy real assets and real real

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wealth gold, et cetera. So that's kind of the scam

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that ironically Quickly talks about.

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Speaker 1: So just Quickly, how does if he's an apologist for this,

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how does he if you had to steal man his

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point for why that's a good thing directional reserve banking,

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how would you do that?

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Speaker 3: Well, Quigley's book.

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Speaker 4: He's a military historian, so he's not primarily interested in banking,

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but he just thinks that I think that an international

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democratic the way he describes it at end of the

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book as an apologist, he says, an international capitalist democratic

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order is for him the greatest hope in response to

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a century of.

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Speaker 2: Two World wars and a Cold War.

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Speaker 4: So he thinks the tragedy of the century is the wars.

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The hope is democratic capitalism. I know that sounds kind

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of faking gay, but he wrote that in the nineteen sixties,

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and so you know, that is what he says. At

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the end of the day, he's like, I don't have

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to steal man it because that's what he says. He says, Look, yeah,

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I'm an apologist for this. So he even says that

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in the book. He says, I was permitted access to

477
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the CFR archives, and I am defending the position because

478
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I think this is the best hope for the modern world.

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It's not going to be with a traditionalist Russia, he says,

480
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and it's not going to be with a traditional Catholic

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access power like Austro Hungarian empire or something like that.

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The future will be something akin to a international democratic

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capitalist order. So that's what he thinks, or that's what

484
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he says at least. But and of course he was

485
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Bill Clinton's mentor and again a high level of CFR

486
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historian and archivist. And what I'm getting at is that

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that's ironic because I didn't actually expect Epstein to have

488
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been recruited into the Trilateral Commission. I would have thought

489
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he was more of a you know, just doing more

490
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organized crime type stuff. But apparently he was definitely higher

491
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up than most people expected, and that would put him

492
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kind of again not I wouldn't say he's like I mean,

493
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Brazinski is definitely a very intelligent person who's an open technocrat.

494
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He's you know, telling the CIA what to do under Carter.

495
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He's basically creating the Mujahadin and al Qaeda. That's literally

496
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what Brazenski's known for. So I don't think it was

497
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as high tier as that in terms of power structure.

498
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But he's a like a Brazenski or a Kissinger to

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some degree because he's on their steering committees.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, all right, so his relationship with the Rothschilds.

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Let's just first of all, actually go back in history

502
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a little bit and understand why it's important, because I

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think everybody's maybe watched a few videos about the Rothschilds

504
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and the international banking syndicate that they sort of run,

505
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and how they came from a family right where the

506
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father gave an inheritance to the kids or he said,

507
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the kids around the world and they all made banks

508
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in various different countries and then all sort of worked

509
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together and they've been very much involved. Were they involved

510
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in the French Revolution? They were definitely involved in the

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creation of the state of Israel and the old one.

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And funding.

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Speaker 3: That's a great question.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Quickly has a whole chapter on the funding

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of the French Revolution and he says it was he

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says Jewish and Swiss banks that were Protestant, but he

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doesn't say which. However, out of the French Revolution, the

518
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Rothchilds did become the primary members of the French Central Bank.

519
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So this becomes what's called the Paribas banking system. So

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p A r Ibis is the Rothschell banking networking system.

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So they're absolutely correct that the original forefather sent his

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sons out throughout Europe and said go set it up.

523
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You know, in these different countries, and ironically that, according

524
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to some authors on this topic, that appears to be

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the same model that they did in the US as well,

526
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because people, a lot of times normy historians think, oh, well,

527
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there was no Rothschild presence in the United States, at

528
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least not until the modern era. But people have actually

529
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dug into this, and there's a lot of theory that

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JP Morgan and the early Morgan bankers of the eighteen

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hundreds were actually up front for the and I think

532
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there is significant evidence to suggest that.

533
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Speaker 1: So I think because the is that they sort of

534
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died out over time, isn't it that there was some

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conflict in the family and then eventually the Rothschilds didn't

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have as much power. But you're saying that they actually

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had fronts for their for their family banking dynasty.

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Speaker 4: Well, the yeah, the periboss system lasted for a while,

539
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it didn't endure. But some people think that there's also

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shadow banking. And ironically Epstein seems to mention this here

541
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and there, and that's an element to where because a

542
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lot of these banks that are super secretive, there's things

543
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that we don't know even to this day. For example,

544
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one of the books that my publisher just put out

545
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about the Bank for National Settlements, which is one of

546
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these high high tier posts world War two. It's a

547
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it's the sort of bank for central bank for central banks,

548
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like they have classified documents and no one has seen.

549
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In fact, there was just some declassified documents a few

550
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years ago that people went and researched about the BIS

551
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and learned about its relationship to the Bank of England.

552
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So because there's shadow banking and there's there's even classifications

553
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about international banking for many years, like, there's a lot

554
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of things that we don't know, so there could be

555
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hidden wealth, shadow wealth that we don't know about. And

556
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that's what leads a lot of people to say, oh,

557
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the Rothchild's never lost money in but it's still I mean,

558
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either way, it's possible that they did, you know, lose

559
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some pedigree over time. But there was also some articles

560
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maybe eight ten years ago, even in mainstream media, that

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the American Rothchild Banking Empire or SCU, the American Rockefeller

562
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Banking Empire had joined forces with the Rothschild Banking Empire.

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So even if they did lose some pedigree, I mean,

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they're still very important, still very powerful and they still

565
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apparently have no problem you know, openly engaging in the

566
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same types of activities that Epstein was involved in and

567
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networking with him. And so in other words, we don't

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really know, but we can look at some indicators of possibilities.

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Speaker 1: Right, So then move moving forward here. Do you think

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that Epstein's relationship with the Rothschilds was more just managing

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assets or do you think that it's more of a

572
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relationship of them pulling the levers of what he's doing

573
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and him working for them.

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Speaker 4: I think it's the latter, because you know, again you know,

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going back to for example, like I said earlier, the

576
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origins of modern intelligence, like you know, when they have

577
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that famous story about Nathan Rothschild or see me about

578
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the Rotel situation in the UK when he had an

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advanced intelligence on Waterloo. They brag about that in pages

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forty eight forty nine of the book The Morton Authorized Biography,

581
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that yeah, this is a true story. We used intel

582
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to know ahead of time how to trade and to

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buy up when the stock market crashed so forth.

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Speaker 3: So that's essentially what we see.

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Speaker 4: Fast forward turned years later and you've got you know,

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these emails between him and Oriana talking about the exact

587
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same strategy, the exact same model. So I think that

588
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he it's again like you don't have to be trained

589
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by the CIA at Langley to be like doing these

590
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kinds of operations and networking for intelligence. You could be

591
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an asset, you could be just a you know, and

592
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Israeli intelligence they have the idea of the Katsa or

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the syoneme.

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Speaker 3: You know, these are also possibilities as well.

595
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Speaker 4: Uh, you don't have to be you know, James Bond

596
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to be doing this kind of stuff. And there's also

597
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:27,680
corporate espionage, there's private espionage. Those things exist too. So

598
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the Rothchild model is apparently, you know, banking and intelligence

599
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is their connection interpoal if I recall has I think

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comes out of Rothchild, uh, intelligence, networking.

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Speaker 3: And many media outlets, was it AP or is it?

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Speaker 4: Is it The Economist is a Rothchild magazine and then

603
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one of the big outlets, I was the AP or

604
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if it's United Press or one of those is also

605
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has its origins in the Retaild networks. But so they

606
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really figured this out for banking, that having an intelligence

607
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network is the way to really do it. And by

608
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the way, David Rockeville or has a chapter in his

609
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memoirs where he says, I learned in my intelligence time

610
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in the military how to set up the networks in

611
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the structuring for my banking empire. So they take the

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intelligence civil service and they translated into the private sphere.

613
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And by the way, that's exactly what Epstein consults ihod

614
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barak On. He says, I'm going to teach you how

615
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to go from civil service, public service into taking that information,

616
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that knowledge and putting it into private intelligence and private

617
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service and becoming a consultant. You can consult, you know,

618
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he says, for millions of dollars a year just consulting people.

619
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So long story short, yeah, I think it is more

620
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so the latter. And again it's it's difficult to know

621
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because so much of banking is kind of private and

622
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proprietary and secretive. And even the two biggest central secret

623
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banks in the world, like the Vatican Bank or the

624
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:55,160
Bank for National Settlements, I mean, they're super secretive, but

625
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there's so much we don't even know about what they're

626
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up to, and they do that by design.

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Speaker 3: Rights. The real secret.

628
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Speaker 4: Society is these international banking clicks, and that's why they

629
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,319
can fund both sides of conflicts. They need to be

630
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international and above nation state purview. And if you're going

631
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to fund criminal operations or black ops or whatever like,

632
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you don't want congressional oversight. You don't want inquiries into

633
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that money. You need these kind of super secret to banks.

634
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And the way Epstein even describes this surprised me. He

635
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,559
was describing how the Vatican Bank works to Larry Summers,

636
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who is a Clinton era banking vulture. You would have

637
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thinked that you would think that a guy come out

638
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:38,440
of Harvard would know how the Vatican Bank works. But

639
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,960
apparently Epstein had to explain to him that this is

640
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,000
the greatest secret bank. It's perfect for money laundering and

641
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:46,640
you know, funneling things to black ops.

642
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Speaker 3: It's because it's super secret. And the BIS is the

643
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same way.

644
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Speaker 1: Right. So we mentioned before about the email with him

645
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and Teal, and then I think offstream, you told me

646
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that this is like reminiscent or as Candi Zones would say,

647
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reminiscent of the way in which the Rothschilds have done

648
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things over over the last few hundred years.

649
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Speaker 4: That's when you are all remembering, right, ammunition, you can

650
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remember all things.

651
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry.

652
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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't be too macaber Okay, are dark.

653
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Speaker 1: These are these are these are macup topics, dude. So

654
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how does that link up if you're looking at the

655
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way in which the Rothschilds have done things over the

656
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,719
past few hundred years and then the sort of maneuvering

657
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that Epstein's doing there to try and get into the

658
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new money tech world.

659
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Speaker 4: Yeah, great, great point because, as we said, say with

660
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Waterloo or the way that Quickly's chapter on French banking

661
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and the Perry Boss system describes it as that it's

662
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intimately connected to intelligence. And if you want a more modern,

663
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,760
updated version of this, which perfectly.

664
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Speaker 3: Applies to Epstein, watch Oliver Stone's.

665
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Speaker 4: Movie Wall Street, because you have the Charlie Sheen character

666
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Bud Fox, who he goes to Wall Street. He's from

667
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a middle class working family. He wants to make it big.

668
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He wants to get out of the small town. He's

669
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going to be a multimillionaire, and he thinks if he

670
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,519
can be like Gordon Gecko, you know, the Michael Douglas

671
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Viper Trader character, he can get out of it. And

672
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what he learns is very perceptive for Stone to put

673
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this in the film. What he learns is that everything

674
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that Michael Douglas is teaching him is the opposite of

675
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what he thought that world was. He thought, if you

676
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just worked hard, paid attention to the data, made the calls,

677
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you know, watched your computer screens, whatever, that you would

678
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:36,679
be a great trader. And actually, Gordon Gecko says, you idiot,

679
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,480
it's about insider knowledge and advanced knowledge. That's how you

680
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:43,199
make your money. You get dirt on people, you do that,

681
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:45,519
that's the way to the top. And it sort of

682
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blows the mind of you know, Bud Fox because it

683
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requires them eventually to turn on his own family and

684
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their business.

685
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Speaker 3: So Wall Street's good to see that.

686
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Speaker 4: And that's really the model I think that the rosterilt

687
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figure out a long time ago, is that, you know,

688
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do you want to get ahead of the game, want

689
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to know where to put money?

690
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Speaker 5: You know.

691
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Speaker 4: Epstein has a couple of emails joking about that where

692
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he's like, yeah, we you know, short trade certain stocks

693
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and we leave that to the goyam and they can

694
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,320
deal with the real he says, they can deal with

695
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,320
the real world. We have the insider world. That was

696
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,960
a very insightful email there, because that's exactly what we're

697
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,079
talking about. So banking is more close to intelligence than

698
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:21,280
the James Bond stuff, although there's a lower level of

699
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,159
that kind of stuff going on here.

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Speaker 1: Just quickly, Yeah, when he's talking about the inside of stuff,

701
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,519
can you just explain what that means a little bit better.

702
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:30,639
So they are doing all of the dirty work, and

703
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:34,360
they're sort of like controlling and manipulating the market, if

704
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,760
you will. And then other people like the Goiam they say,

705
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,000
are like the ones who are invested in the stocks

706
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,079
and buying and selling in certain points and everything. Is

707
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that what they're talking about?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So for example, just coming off the top of

709
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my head, like, if there's going to be a chaos

710
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:51,840
or conflict in a region, you know that's going to

711
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,960
disrupt obviously the economics of that region. So for example Ukraine,

712
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,800
when Ukraine conflict popped off, you know, it wasn't too

713
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,480
long until I mean the conflict popped off obviously with

714
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:06,800
my don and all that. But by the time of Zelensky,

715
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:09,559
if you remember, there was that clip where Zelensky was.

716
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:13,119
Speaker 3: Like, what they'll tell you everybody in the West Blendbrook,

717
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:18,000
all of you companies come to Ukraine to buy things Yeah.

718
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,599
Speaker 4: Well, that's an example where in the Epstein emails we

719
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:24,719
get this impression that he's constantly sort of scanning to

720
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,880
see where the next conflict zones might be so that

721
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:32,000
they can get in ahead of the conflict and be

722
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:35,440
ready to you know, buy things up short the market,

723
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,239
whatever it is, say, based on the resources or the

724
00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:42,079
you know, the grain that comes out of that U

725
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:44,719
area or the one of the really insightful emails on

726
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,440
this was the Somali email. That was crazy because way

727
00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:52,320
before we had all these migrants in the West, Epstein

728
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,880
seems to have been aware of a coming Somalia you know,

729
00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:59,280
desabilization chaos operation where he said, we can get in there,

730
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:05,280
get in early, grab the resources. Another insight into this

731
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,239
is Hillary's letter or she wrote an essay for the

732
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,320
Brookings Institute, which is a big high level thing thing.

733
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:15,599
This was back when everybody was talking about Hillary's paid

734
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,719
to play scandal, that you had these world leaders, Saudi's

735
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,159
and others for putting money into Hillary's campaign as they

736
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:23,719
paid a play scam where when she went into some

737
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,719
country like Libya, uh, and then they divide up the gold,

738
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:31,280
then the people who donate to her campaign would get

739
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,039
their cut basically, So that's another angle of it. Yeah,

740
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,280
I mean, look up Hillary's a little paper she wrote

741
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,760
for Brookings and then it came out same thing in

742
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,079
her in the wiki leagues Hillary's emails, and there's an

743
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:48,039
Epstein email basically confirming the same thing about Libya that

744
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:51,519
when we go in we can get Godafi's gold. He

745
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:53,199
has I figured what they said, you know, two billion

746
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:56,239
dollars worth of gold stashed up will use the US.

747
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,159
Speaker 3: So they basically used the.

748
00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 4: US government, the stupidity of the American public and patriotism

749
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:04,679
to get them on board with these foreign ventures that

750
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,320
are actually about, you know, gaining the land and the

751
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,960
resources and the precious rare earth minerals in these regions.

752
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, one of the things that I'm super

753
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,760
interested in. I don't know, is there anything else that

754
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,079
you wanted to touch on in terms of this whole

755
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:23,920
rothsty Child's connection and the old money new money thing,

756
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,119
because soon I want to move on to this eugenics program,

757
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,079
But anything else you've got in regards to this.

758
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,079
Speaker 4: It's interesting that in regard to the connection that not

759
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:36,599
many people have called attention to, other than myself is

760
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:41,440
the Vatican Bank that know so much about and his

761
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,639
close connection with John Paul the Second, not just by

762
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:49,440
the way, allegedly staying in the Vatican for a period

763
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:54,000
of time and then consulting John Paul on various architectural features,

764
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,760
which we know Epstein was very into tile and architecture

765
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,599
for whatever reason, and structure compounds that have tunnels, by

766
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:05,119
the way, but he also says another email that he

767
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:09,480
had been gifted some ceiling piece from John Paul the Second.

768
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,960
We know he was at a John Paul the Second

769
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:15,199
audience where he had just Laane received a blessing. So

770
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,519
I think there's significant connections there that do make a

771
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:22,599
clear close relationship with John Paul the Second. Now I'm

772
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:24,760
not saying that we know that John Paul was involved

773
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,559
in anything per se, but that there was this close

774
00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:30,800
relationship I think is verifiable. And the people running point

775
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,719
to sort of disarm this argument or are full of it.

776
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:39,199
Most of the arguments are totally bull crap. But the

777
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,840
reason I bring that up is that it's not accidental

778
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,440
that he has a deep insight into the workings of

779
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,440
the Vatican Bank because he seems to have that close

780
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:51,840
relationship with John Paul the Second, and he knows the

781
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:54,840
inner workings of why benedit the sixteenth step down and

782
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,360
had to do with the Vatican Bank, which is again

783
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,400
if you know from operation and the lectures that we've done,

784
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,840
from multiple books, from multiple different political perspectives on Gladio,

785
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:08,719
we can absolutely confirm that was a oss CIA operation.

786
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,320
But again, who are the papal bankers since the eighteen hundreds?

787
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,039
Officially on record the roth Charles, and this is well known,

788
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:16,880
it's admitted public historical fact all the way back to

789
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,639
eighteen thirty two, and then loans all the way up

790
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:23,440
into the late eighteen hundreds and then presumably still having

791
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,480
that close relationship, which is why it makes perfect sense

792
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:29,920
that as a Roar representative he would be knowing and

793
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,719
her workings of the Vatican Bank because the Rothchilds have

794
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,159
a close relationship to the Vatican Bank.

795
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: Right. I mean, I don't know anything about the Vatican Bank.

796
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,079
I'm not even gonna lie I don't even know that

797
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:42,719
there was a Vatican Bank. And I actually want to

798
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,440
pick your brains a little bit more about this now.

799
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,079
But guys, we are going to be reading out some

800
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:49,280
super chats if they do come in. Any questions that

801
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,400
you guys have got for Jay if you did want

802
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,800
to do that, after this topic, we'll read them out,

803
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,159
So get him in if you'd like. But Jay, Vatican Bank,

804
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,880
what actually what are we talking here? What is that?

805
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 4: Well, certainly all churches and religious institutions have, you know,

806
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,400
some form of banking accounts or something like that. So

807
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:13,079
let me be very clear on what I'm talking about.

808
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,760
I'm not talking about a religious institution, you know, getting

809
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,920
donations or having money or something like that. I'm saying

810
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:21,760
a specific, unique bank that is international, that is the

811
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,639
Vatican's bank, called the Institute for Religious Works. And so

812
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:27,440
the Anster of Religious Works, by the way, has been

813
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,559
riddled by constant scandals for many, many decades, many many years,

814
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,639
the most famous of which of recent times is the

815
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:41,039
Roberto Calvi case and the connection to the p two mafia.

816
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:43,360
And this is what led to the death of not

817
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,679
just Roberto Calviy, but many people think John Paul the

818
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,559
First and a whole host of other people and bankers

819
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:51,840
throughout throughout Italy. And this is in regard to what's

820
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:57,000
called Operation Gladio and the Bank of Dembrosio scandal, which

821
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:59,440
was part of the Vatican banks network.

822
00:42:59,440 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 3: Scandal.

823
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 4: So long story short, because the Vatican Bank was an

824
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,800
international bank, and because the Vatican, particularly at the time

825
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,719
of the Cold War, so right after World War Two,

826
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,800
Bill Donovan, James Jesus Angleton and William Colby, three very

827
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,559
important CIOs s and CIA figures who were all Roman Catholic.

828
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,639
By the way, they set up these very closer relationships

829
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:28,679
through working at the Rome Desk in the case of

830
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:34,000
Colby and Angleton with the Vatican. And so Vatican has

831
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,239
its own secret service, its own intelligence operation, and it

832
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,039
has its own bank. And because the Communists were beginning

833
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:44,159
to win elections and getting popular in the Cold War

834
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,239
in Italy, the CIA so, well, we don't want that,

835
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,159
you know, happening in Italy, and the Vatican obviously agreed,

836
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:52,880
and so there was this alliance that was made. This

837
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,639
is all public, this isn't conspiracy theory, because the Vatican

838
00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:59,400
wanted help to help so that the Christian Democratic Party

839
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,440
could win the election and not the communists.

840
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,039
Speaker 3: So that's what.

841
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 4: Fords the original connection, and those ciaopartists said, well, look,

842
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:07,760
we're happy to do this, but we're going to need

843
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,679
the Vatican also to be on our side when we

844
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,800
need things from the Vatican, and that led to this

845
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,559
relationship between people like cord Meyer and other individuals who

846
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:21,559
had become famous CIA drug traffickers. That's how they set

847
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:25,800
up this relationship to have black, black budget money funneled

848
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,840
through the Vatican. Why because the Vatican is the world's

849
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,400
most secret bank next to the BIS, and it's not

850
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,480
subject to Italian laws or EU laws. It's its own

851
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,960
independent city state. So just like the Washington d C

852
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,360
is an independent city state within the United States, so likewise,

853
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,119
the Vatican is its own independent city state.

854
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 3: It's not subject to.

855
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 4: The Italian laws or to European laws, so as even

856
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,760
Epstein himself describes, which I thought. That's why I honed

857
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,199
in on that email so much, because so many of

858
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,400
the books that we've highlighted over the years, whether it's

859
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,920
Paul Williams or whether it's the God's Bank text which

860
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,639
is about robertal Kylavi and all this, all of that

861
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,639
was really vindicated I think in that Epstein email description

862
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:08,559
about the Vatican Bank.

863
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:10,599
Speaker 3: So this is all one percent real stuff.

864
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so did.

865
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:17,639
Speaker 3: I make me I feel like I am I? Am

866
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:18,719
I putting out too much?

867
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: Like?

868
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 3: Am I not explaining it well, like, am I.

869
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 4: Just putting out too much names and facts not to you,

870
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:25,920
but I'm sending you thing for the sec of the audience.

871
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 1: No, I'm I think it's probably the audience probably gets

872
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,559
it better than I do. But I do. I do

873
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:34,320
kind of get what you say at all. No, no, no no,

874
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:36,880
but I did say to you I kind of want

875
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,719
to like I I get the things, but connecting the

876
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,000
dots is the hard part sometimes. And that's why I

877
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,159
really wanted to talk to you today because the dot connecting,

878
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,840
like you have all of the individual stories, but it's

879
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,159
sort of in its own little factions.

880
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:54,079
Speaker 4: And then yeah, the way that, according to Paul Williams,

881
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:56,480
is a gladiolig and he was an FBI consultant, so

882
00:45:56,519 --> 00:45:58,079
he's not really some sort of.

883
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,039
Speaker 3: Like Weld conspiracy.

884
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:02,079
Speaker 4: He's a Catholic historian guy who consulted the FBI all

885
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:04,840
the way back to the late two thousands on organized

886
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,519
crime and al Qaeda. I've got we lectured on his

887
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:10,000
book on al Qaida a few months ago. But he

888
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:13,280
wrote a book on Operation Gladio in the Vatican Bank scandals.

889
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,280
And again there's many other books that we've covered too,

890
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,039
but His is particularly I think instructive because he's a Catholic,

891
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:21,559
so he's not, like, you know, coming at this from

892
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:24,119
some vendetta against the Romancolic Church or something. And he's

893
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:26,679
not a conspiracy theorist. He's just sort of looking at

894
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,960
the data and information. And as Gladio became more and

895
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:36,719
more public, what happened was in the nineteen nineties, they

896
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,599
didn't know what to call it, but they knew that

897
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:41,280
there were these stay behind networks that were operating throughout

898
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,119
Europe that were originally set up by the US and

899
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:47,880
CIA in case of a Soviet NKVD invasion. So if

900
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,760
Stalin ever moved into Europe, the purpose of Gladio supposedly

901
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,440
was to fend off a Stalinist invasion. So and that

902
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,800
makes sense, Like obviously, you know, if I'm anti communists,

903
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,320
that makes sense why you would do that. I'm not

904
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,119
pro Soviet at all or pro pro communist or pro socialist.

905
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,519
I'm just giving you the layout of why they were

906
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:07,679
doing this. The problem is that it also became an

907
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,800
internet a network you can say, throughout Europe for corruption

908
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,880
and for chaos with these people who were trained in

909
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:19,119
terror cells and terror operations. But They also compromised many

910
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,360
high level Italian and Vatican officials, and that came out

911
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,079
in European news in the nineteen nineties. They didn't know

912
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:29,320
that it was called Gladio yet, but this this compromise

913
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:34,199
compromise list was leaked. And guess what same model as

914
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,880
the type of stuff that Epstein was doing. It's just

915
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,519
that back then with the P two Lodge, it was

916
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:43,280
more so prostitutes. There probably were some gay things going on,

917
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:44,280
but they were.

918
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 3: Called bog Bunga parties.

919
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can just look up Berlosconi's There were some

920
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,559
scandals that came out ten years ago about the same

921
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:54,599
things going on with the Bunga Bunga parties with Berlusconi.

922
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,360
And when they Epstein even invited Berlosconi to the island

923
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,199
and Berlisconi made a joke something like the women who

924
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,920
come to my parties actually want to come back. I

925
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,400
don't have to enslave them, he says, some joke like that,

926
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,760
like I don't have to traffick them because they actually

927
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,239
like coming to my party. So just look at Booga

928
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,079
Booka parties with Berlsconi Brothersconi is on record as a

929
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:17,480
P two Lodge member, so he was part of the

930
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,679
P two Lodge, which is where they were recruiting people

931
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:20,440
into Gladio.

932
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 3: Long story short.

933
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 4: Kissinger, according to Paul Williams, was the mastermind of how

934
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,679
to put Lecchio Gelli, who was the head of the lodges,

935
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:35,639
the grand Master Lodges P two Lodges in Italy, put

936
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:40,519
him in control of this operation together with Michel Sendona,

937
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:43,880
who was in charge of organized crime in Italy. They

938
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,760
worked together with the lodge and with organized crime to

939
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,280
bring people into Gladio in case of the Soviet invasion.

940
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:53,480
But what it ended up being was an entire government

941
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:58,920
being compromised in the sixties and seventies by Kissinger.

942
00:48:58,840 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 3: Running this operation.

943
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,679
Speaker 4: Now, who spots Brazenski and who spots apparently, according to

944
00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:08,519
Epstein for Rockefeller, Kissinger circles right. So they do the

945
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:12,519
same thing with Epstein putting him into this role, same

946
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:16,480
thing with Lecchio Galli and Michelle Condona in Italy to

947
00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:19,880
run a big compromise government control, shadow government operation.

948
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: So I don't think it's accidental if you read those books.

949
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: So who do you think he had the closest relationship

950
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,119
with of all of the different agencies, Because there's just

951
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:30,960
so many that are named to you. You've got obviously

952
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:35,800
like the Vatican, You've got the various different intelligence agencies, Cia, Massad,

953
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:40,760
the MI six, You've got the guy from the business,

954
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,360
the Emorti businessman that he's involved with. It seems like

955
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,360
he pretty much has his toes dipped in every single pond, right,

956
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,800
He's got his fingers in every single pie. So who

957
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:52,599
is he most close?

958
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 4: You think he's definitely a high level operative and fixer

959
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:03,079
for the Western elite. So again he's up there hanging out.

960
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:08,079
We find out in the circles of Rockefeller, Kissinger, Brazenski.

961
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:09,039
Speaker 3: He's in those circles.

962
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 4: So he's higher up than like you said that we thought,

963
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,000
and that would mean that he's really probably you know,

964
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,920
up near the top, but not at the top. So

965
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:23,760
that would mean he's probably a high level operative for

966
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:29,920
all of Western intelligence because he's working with Saudi's, he's

967
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,639
working with Sheiks. Like I said, at the beginning of

968
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,920
the second day, one of those emails came out that

969
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,199
he had planned to meet like fifteen heads of state,

970
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,400
and it's like, how are you doing all this without

971
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:44,119
you know, approval above government? Now, what's something we always

972
00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:46,320
talk about on my channel is that the people at

973
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,639
the steering committees, they're above people at the CIA.

974
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 3: Okay, people that run foundations.

975
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,079
Speaker 4: That's higher than being ACA section chief or you know,

976
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:57,679
some sort of an operative in the field obviously or

977
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:58,880
something like that or handler.

978
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 3: So this is a that this is at the level of.

979
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 4: Steering committee Builderberg type stuff, Davos type stuff. And you

980
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,159
saw that one email where he was saying, we want

981
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:10,960
to make Davos the new United Nations Union. Nations is

982
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,280
too faking gay, it doesn't really get anything done. We

983
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,639
want to put Davos in there. And he talks a

984
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:19,360
lot about Davos, and you know, and that's because Davos

985
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:25,760
was also a Kissinger project. Harvard research project was the

986
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,960
brainchild of Kissinger, and they collated this idea to set

987
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:34,320
up another one of these steering committees, kind of like Builderberg,

988
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,719
but a little more public, with broader reach and scope.

989
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,559
And that's essentially what World Economic Forum in Davos was.

990
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:47,119
Speaker 1: So forum that was started like nineteen seventy one, Klas Schwelbright,

991
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,079
he started that. It was it was smaller back then,

992
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:52,400
But then wasn't Kissinger more involved in the club of Rome.

993
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,719
Wasn't he involved in that in the Club of Rome,

994
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,760
or was he directly involved in the formation of the

995
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,480
Weld Economic Forum.

996
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,159
Speaker 4: He's darkly involved in WF. So it comes out of

997
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:06,239
Kissinger and Harvard research projects. So but no, I'm sure

998
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,559
Kissinger has a role in Club of Rome too, because

999
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,880
another key Rockefeller operative, Maurice Strong, was one of the

1000
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:14,840
key chairmen share.

1001
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: People of Club of Rome.

1002
00:52:16,519 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 4: So you're noticing pattern here of Like obviously David rock

1003
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,480
Filp has a huge role, which we've said for many,

1004
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,199
many years. I have this biography of the Rockfeller family, right,

1005
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:27,440
they're authorized biography, and that biography just tells everything, like

1006
00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:31,519
like they were behind the Acumenist movement, the National the

1007
00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:34,519
Council Churches, the World Council churches. They were behind setting

1008
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:36,960
up the CFR. They played a huge role in setting

1009
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,400
up the United Nations. They donated the land, so you

1010
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:45,400
in played a huge role in setting up UH, the

1011
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,639
os S and CIA. So they play a huge role.

1012
00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:53,400
They're big, massive, and one of their key recruits, also

1013
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,159
out of intelligence, is Henry Kissinger.

1014
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 3: So Kissinger had a time and intelligence as well.

1015
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 4: He's brought in to kind of be this sort of

1016
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,039
neo con operative for many many years for that family.

1017
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:07,079
And I'm just pointing out that, like now a lot

1018
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:09,320
of those things make more sense to me, that it's

1019
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:14,400
pointing to this sort of overarching oligarchical power structure.

1020
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: That runs the West.

1021
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 4: Not the politicians, but the politicians have a very you know,

1022
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,639
minuscule degree of power, but up at that level of

1023
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:26,679
the steering committee people, and I think you could place

1024
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,679
the royals up there pretty high as well.

1025
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 3: They do have a lot of power.

1026
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 4: But everybody points to that picture of like Lord Rothshall's

1027
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,280
like pointing his finger in King Charles is like he's

1028
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,880
putting his finger into his chest, like you're gonna do

1029
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,480
what I say if you've seen that famous picture, So.

1030
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:44,519
Speaker 1: It makes sense.

1031
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've had a huge amount of power in the UK.

1032
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 4: I think the British Empire eventually became kind of a

1033
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,920
cutout for them. And if you read even Tragiant Hope,

1034
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,239
which is not at all interested in so much of

1035
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,679
the Rosschaw stuff, he admits all kinds of stuff about

1036
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:00,960
the rothsch Hals, like the Suez Canal that was all

1037
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:09,039
a Rothschild operation. They quickly basically admits that what's his

1038
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:12,360
cecil roads and the Roads Trust and all the diamond operations.

1039
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 3: That was de Beers. That was all Rochel money.

1040
00:54:14,679 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: Too directly involved with the creation of the state of Israel. Right,

1041
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,239
the Balfour Declaration was written in.

1042
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 4: Fact, according to even before Balfour, all the way back

1043
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,320
in the eighteen sixties, according to their family history, and

1044
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,559
according to Moses Sass in his book Rum in Jerusalem,

1045
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:36,320
they were buying land in the eighteen sixties. Oh shit,

1046
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,679
So they had an idea to have Originally, according to Morton,

1047
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:44,440
he says, the idea was to have just pilgrimage sites

1048
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,239
that Jews could could visit. But eventually it became more

1049
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,119
and more of a political thing because the political Zionists

1050
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:55,880
like Heimweitzman and Theodore Hertzel were putting pressure on the

1051
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,159
roth Child's and saying, hey, we need to actually get

1052
00:54:58,159 --> 00:54:59,039
into politics.

1053
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:02,119
Speaker 3: It's not going to be just a religious pilgrimage site.

1054
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 4: Because in the eighteen sixties and later on, they were

1055
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,880
just kind of buying land for Jews to be to

1056
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:12,119
do pilgrimages, and they were buying land from the Turkish sultans, right,

1057
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:14,519
So it wasn't like they were just stealing the land

1058
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:18,480
immediately from Palestinians. They were buying it from Turkish sultans.

1059
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,440
But it was called Palestine land. And in fact, all

1060
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,239
the original Rothchild documents when they were it was called

1061
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,639
Palestine Land, like that's what it was called. So this

1062
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,880
idea that it never exists simply not true. Even the

1063
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,880
Rothchild there's even postcards that the Rothchild sent from Palestine.

1064
00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 3: So long story short.

1065
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:41,119
Speaker 4: They bought more and more land, and then pressure was

1066
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:43,960
put on them by people like Hiwetzmen to make it

1067
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,039
more political, and then eventually they got on board with

1068
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,760
political Zionism at the time of Balfour. But Balfour didn't

1069
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,440
actually accomplish much, and so you needed other conflicts that

1070
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,719
actually led to the real establishment the nation state of Israel.

1071
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,199
I think they weren't recognized until they right.

1072
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,199
Speaker 1: So all of these powers that we're talking about here,

1073
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,039
this is one thing that I do wonder with obviously,

1074
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:10,360
all of the different intelligence agencies, the Vatican, the different

1075
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:14,800
Arab nations that are becoming more and more powerful. Is

1076
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,119
there some sort of like a common thread that unites

1077
00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:18,840
all of those guys in the sense that they all

1078
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,159
work together in international banking or Are they just factions

1079
00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:25,119
that just sort of operate the same way but removed

1080
00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:26,039
from one another.

1081
00:56:27,639 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 3: No, great question.

1082
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 4: It's the Atlanta syst power Block, or what's sometimes called

1083
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,159
the Anglo American establishment. Now that term is not used

1084
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:41,639
to castigate Anglo people. It's the older term that was

1085
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,880
used in geopolitics during the time of what's called the

1086
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,079
Great Game. So this is the battle between Russia and

1087
00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:51,280
the West, particularly Russia versus the UK. Right, So when

1088
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,480
the British Empire was very powerful, one of their main

1089
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,320
rivals was the Russian Empire. And so the term out

1090
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,679
of the Great Game for or the Anglo American establishment,

1091
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,639
is just the term that was used for many, many years.

1092
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,800
So when Quigley was writing in the nineteen sixties and

1093
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,760
he did Tragy and Hope, he calls the Western power

1094
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,480
block the Atlanticist power block. And that's just talking about

1095
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:15,719
all of the land over here that's not Eurasia, right,

1096
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:17,639
And this has not to do with the good guys

1097
00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:22,079
bad guys. It's just laying out the geopolitical scheme in

1098
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:25,519
terms of what Lord Halvard Mackinder called the heartland theory.

1099
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:29,079
So you have heartland and rinland and the thesis of

1100
00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:33,719
mackinder was that any empire that wants to have dominance

1101
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,639
in the world needs to control the heartland, and that's Eurasia.

1102
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,480
So you can be a sea power, a little bit

1103
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:44,000
of seapower like the UK, and have a world empire

1104
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:47,880
if you're able to have dominance in certain areas. That

1105
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:50,679
same theory of heartland, Rinland and all that is pretty

1106
00:57:50,719 --> 00:57:53,599
much the theory of packs Americana. And you notice that

1107
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,280
Brazenski and Kissindernal, all those kind of big, big scale players,

1108
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,199
they write often about this. In fact, Brezenski's books, I

1109
00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:04,800
think in Grand Chessboard he even has a whole layout

1110
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,840
of like Heartland, Rimland early on, and he says a

1111
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,239
miracle will have to control the Eurasian heartland. In fact,

1112
00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:13,599
years ago he was talking about the importance of Ukraine

1113
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,320
as a dostate region with pressure on Russia. I think

1114
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,400
his last book, Strategic Vision, even predicted what the US

1115
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,760
would do in Ukraine. I remember reading that in grad school.

1116
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,400
I was sitting into the library research desk reading Strategic

1117
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,199
Vision even before there was like my don q I

1118
00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:32,559
think it was twenty eleven, but so anyway, so yeah,

1119
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:34,920
so they strategized this out. But to answer your question,

1120
00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:37,360
it is the Western powers, the Western power block, the

1121
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,920
Atlanta's power block. And no, it's not denying the influence

1122
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,559
of Israel when you cite that terminology from Quickly, because

1123
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:47,039
when Quickly was writing in the nineteen sixties, it just wasn't.

1124
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,840
We weren't at the point where Israel had as much

1125
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,280
power as it does have now, right, And we see

1126
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,400
that in for example, the JFK files, they were already

1127
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,679
beginning to have a lot of power and influence, particularly

1128
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:02,320
with regard to the James uses Angleton back channel conversations

1129
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,480
that they were having about JFK. A lot of people

1130
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,920
in the CIA didn't like JFK, so they were kind

1131
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,360
of looking for other people who didn't like JFK. Then

1132
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:15,880
that included mobsters, that Israeli operatives, and it included a

1133
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,840
lot of people in the CIA in corporate people. So

1134
00:59:18,719 --> 00:59:20,440
a lot of people didn't like JFK. And that doesn't

1135
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,800
mean JFK is like some singer hero of just giving

1136
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,159
you the facts of the matter. So after the JFK period,

1137
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:29,480
I think you get more and more, especially after USS Liberty,

1138
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:35,039
we begin to see more explicit pressure from Israel put

1139
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:40,280
on American foreign policy and presidents and other people. There

1140
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:41,960
wasn't as pronounced before that.

1141
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,079
Speaker 1: All right, man, well, I think that I do want

1142
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:49,559
to move on to this whole scientism area of the

1143
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:53,079
Epstein files. It's just there's a lot of dots to

1144
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:56,440
connect here. You've got all of the different people who

1145
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:01,039
are using aborted fetuses and stiff and all these sorts

1146
01:00:01,039 --> 01:00:03,199
of things. That's very interesting. But then you've got the

1147
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,519
New age atheists. What are they all doing on Epstein's island?

1148
01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:10,639
Dawkins's your Lawrence Krause's Lawrence Krause is trying to get

1149
01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:13,679
Joe Rogan onto the island. And then you've got Jeffrey

1150
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:17,400
Epstein being obsessed with eugenics and cloning, and so there's

1151
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,440
just there's so much there. I want to get into it.

1152
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,880
But first of all, let's have a read of some

1153
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,360
of these super chats here. Blaine says that Dano wants

1154
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,320
to know where Jay got his jacket. Everyone was loving

1155
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,960
the jacket before that.

1156
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 4: Actually I got that, I think in Italy when we

1157
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,119
were we did a pilgrimage to Italy for Orthodox sites

1158
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:37,280
in Italy in twenty twenty three, and I just happened

1159
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,800
to find a you know, a polo store, because it's

1160
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,960
weird when you shop in Italy, like everything is all

1161
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,840
these weird, sort of foreign, expensive brands that you never

1162
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,039
heard of. So I was like, I just need a

1163
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:49,719
polo thing because it's cold, and I got I was

1164
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,599
super sick at like one hundred and four fever walking

1165
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:54,239
around Italy in a day, and I was like, just

1166
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:55,719
find me a polo So I think I got it

1167
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:56,400
somewhere in Italy.

1168
01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:02,719
Speaker 1: Nice. The cut says, files show that files show emails

1169
01:01:03,199 --> 01:01:06,079
that were and weren't sent, a lot of crazy ties

1170
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:09,400
and mentions. Is there a chance he made fake emails?

1171
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,480
Picks videos for blackmail number one out of two, and

1172
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:17,840
these files seem to have every death and a live

1173
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,760
conspiracy all tied together for a long time now. So

1174
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:21,760
that's a two part question.

1175
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 3: I mean anything's possible.

1176
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:29,039
Speaker 4: I mean that's definitely within the realm possibility.

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01:01:29,159 --> 01:01:34,559
Speaker 3: I don't think that. What I try to do is

1178
01:01:34,639 --> 01:01:35,760
focus on the things.

1179
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Speaker 4: That I can verify that I think are confirmed, and

1180
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,599
you know, if I do speculate, I admit I'm speculating.

1181
01:01:41,639 --> 01:01:44,280
For example, I put out a video talking about the

1182
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:48,440
possibility of serial killers having connections to organized crime and

1183
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,559
having connections perhaps to international rings serial killers.

1184
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: Oh no? Or was it the definitely.

1185
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,199
Speaker 3: Candy Man Gaysey? Did many of them have?

1186
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,599
Speaker 4: So so there is there are some leads there and

1187
01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:06,079
today on my stream when we're talking about the possibility

1188
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:08,719
that maybe Epstein is another kind of serial killer, right,

1189
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:13,000
because if he is engaging in, you know, the unliving

1190
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:16,360
and consuming of underage peoples, which there seems to be

1191
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:21,039
indications of that beyond just the sexual stuff, and if

1192
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:24,760
he was buying all that sulfuric acid for dissolving of bodies,

1193
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,760
then we might have a situation where you have a new,

1194
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,800
a new Jeffrey Badonka Donk, so to speak, Jeffrey Dahmer.

1195
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,280
But that's that's speculation, right. So I'm speculating there, and

1196
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,159
I usually say when I'm speculating, But I think in

1197
01:02:36,199 --> 01:02:40,440
the inmer cards, to these emails about you know, did

1198
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,440
you like the t O R t U R E video?

1199
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: Ye?

1200
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 4: You can now kill her? You know, I think those

1201
01:02:46,639 --> 01:02:48,920
those are not speculation. I think those are confirmed. So

1202
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,679
I look at those and I said, that's confirmable. Do

1203
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,800
I know why he's buying the sulfuric acid? No, But

1204
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,239
I couldn't think that he probably is doing it for bodies,

1205
01:02:57,239 --> 01:03:00,719
But I don't know. No, I don't think there's I mean, yeah,

1206
01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:02,519
he could have been. He could have been sending himself

1207
01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:06,000
fake emails. But also I don't think we have to

1208
01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:10,840
speculate to see that the non speculative confirmable stuff is

1209
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,679
like way more. I mean, even if half of this

1210
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:15,360
stuff is true, it's like the biggest story in the

1211
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:16,000
history of the world.

1212
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:18,079
Speaker 3: In our day.

1213
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: Job, her Runting says, do you think that the reason

1214
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,440
people on that list aren't really being held accountable lawfully

1215
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:31,519
is that morally what they did was wrong? But legally

1216
01:03:31,639 --> 01:03:35,360
there are too many loopholes. Example, no age of consent

1217
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:42,760
on the island, as Jeffrey Epsty goes to go through

1218
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,960
some legal loopholes.

1219
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 3: Right, you know what.

1220
01:03:46,159 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 4: I don't know a lot about international law and legalities

1221
01:03:50,519 --> 01:03:53,000
like that, so I don't know. But I would tend

1222
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,800
to think that it's more so just pressure being put

1223
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,719
on government officials and Pambondian people to cover would be

1224
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:01,280
my guess.

1225
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,559
Speaker 3: But maybe I don't know enough about that.

1226
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,159
Speaker 1: Alex said Jay should be on Rogan diving into conspiracies.

1227
01:04:08,159 --> 01:04:10,639
They're both friends with Jones I would love to see that.

1228
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:12,039
That would be that would be good to see you

1229
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:13,880
on Rogan there. You guys would have a good chat.

1230
01:04:14,159 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 3: Had to do that. I'd love to be a great conversation.

1231
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,119
Speaker 1: Gadfly, says Jay. Curious if you've ever been approached with

1232
01:04:21,159 --> 01:04:24,599
a bribe or threatened or had shady stuff happen to

1233
01:04:24,639 --> 01:04:26,400
scare you. For years now, you've been ahead of the

1234
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,320
curve and seems dangerous.

1235
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,079
Speaker 4: Not really, I just I mean, one time I had

1236
01:04:32,119 --> 01:04:36,119
a comment on the website threatening to do something, but

1237
01:04:36,239 --> 01:04:38,199
I mean to me, it came up more like some

1238
01:04:38,239 --> 01:04:41,840
schizo dude. And then I had some people into because

1239
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:46,519
I first talked about the international z z Io stuff

1240
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:48,000
back in two thousand and seven and eight, had a

1241
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,480
blog back then that talked about it, and I had

1242
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,000
some people saying they were going to call my work

1243
01:04:52,039 --> 01:04:57,840
and get me fired. But beyond that, no, not personal threats.

1244
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,400
I think for the for a long time until now

1245
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,559
with all this stuff coming out, I think most people,

1246
01:05:02,599 --> 01:05:04,599
most Normanis you know that they just tended to think

1247
01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:08,239
of this as crazy and fringe, and you know, no,

1248
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:08,960
it's Gizzo.

1249
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 3: So there wasn't a whole lot of threat. But There

1250
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:15,079
were people, you know, back in the.

1251
01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 4: Two thousands that talked about the stuff that met an

1252
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:22,840
untimely demise. There was the woman that was investigating CPS stuff.

1253
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,840
She was a congress member from Georgia.

1254
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 3: She was unalived.

1255
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 4: There were British journalists investigating Elmhouse and the Savo stuff.

1256
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 3: She was unlived.

1257
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:38,199
Speaker 4: There been udo Uf Coulta when he came out and

1258
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:40,599
said that the CIA was running the media in Germany.

1259
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,599
He died not too many years later. You can still

1260
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:48,599
find his interviews everywhere. We played it many times. The

1261
01:05:48,679 --> 01:05:51,280
Virginia Palfrey, the DC Madam. She used to be on

1262
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,719
Alex all the time, and then she told Alex, if

1263
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:59,360
I turn up unlived, it wasn't me. Uh so you've

1264
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,960
got You've got several cases of people like that. But

1265
01:06:02,039 --> 01:06:04,840
in most situations, what happened with the people that run Alive,

1266
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,599
perhaps even Breitbart, what happened with most of those people

1267
01:06:07,639 --> 01:06:09,880
is that they would claim they handle.

1268
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 3: This info and then not put it out.

1269
01:06:11,519 --> 01:06:13,159
Speaker 4: They would just say I've got this, I've got this,

1270
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,800
and you know, not putting it out seems to be

1271
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,880
the safest course rather than claiming that you have the

1272
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,360
info and not putting it out, so really the only thing. Yeah,

1273
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,679
I think commenting on it in the public sphere is

1274
01:06:25,719 --> 01:06:30,280
not that dangerous because you know, people sounding off on

1275
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,119
YouTube or Twitter that doesn't have a lot of effect,

1276
01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:36,440
doesn't change much. But when you've got actual blackmail or

1277
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:40,039
something like that that could damage a person in the

1278
01:06:40,119 --> 01:06:43,239
courts and legalities, like, that's where I think you're getting

1279
01:06:43,239 --> 01:06:43,920
into more trouble.

1280
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:48,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that dude who they suspect might have been

1281
01:06:48,679 --> 01:06:52,639
off by one of these Silicon Valley guys. Do you

1282
01:06:52,679 --> 01:06:55,400
remember that Asian guy who had the who had information

1283
01:06:55,559 --> 01:07:00,639
about what's his name? Sam Altman? And oh I've heard

1284
01:07:00,639 --> 01:07:03,960
of this, yeah, yeah, But anyways, AO said for twenty

1285
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,519
good work, gentlemen, and thanks for the information. Americans and

1286
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:10,599
our mates across the pond need this information absolutely. Thank

1287
01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:13,360
you very much. AO appreciate that. And smokey, says Jane.

1288
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,199
In a recent video, you mentioned Epstein was more mid

1289
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,280
level fixer. Any idea who some of the leading players

1290
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,920
might be or or is it multiple intelligence agencies? Are

1291
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,800
all conspiracy theories related? Now you'd cover this little bit before,

1292
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:27,440
but if you want.

1293
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,119
Speaker 4: To, well, I don't know about all conspiracy theories, but

1294
01:07:30,159 --> 01:07:31,920
a lot of the sort of you know, we have

1295
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,920
a connection with some of the emails to nine to eleven.

1296
01:07:36,039 --> 01:07:37,719
I mean just Laine being asked to be on a

1297
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:39,320
shadow committee on nine to eleven.

1298
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 3: Nobody, what even is that? What the hell is even that?

1299
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,519
Right to quote the meme? Yeah, actually, what the hell

1300
01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:49,000
it is even that? I was awesome.

1301
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 4: I don't know sound nobody knows what a shadow commission is.

1302
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,079
And just Lane was asked to be on that, I

1303
01:07:55,119 --> 01:08:01,760
mean one of the terror events. I forget which one, Like,

1304
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,960
he seemed to be consulting in the midst of some

1305
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:07,400
terror event that was going on, and he was messaging

1306
01:08:07,559 --> 01:08:11,639
ISIS or one of the sultans. This was forgive me.

1307
01:08:11,679 --> 01:08:13,119
This was a couple of days ago, and there's been

1308
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:15,719
so many emails, so there seemed to be a background

1309
01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:18,239
connection with ISIS. I think people were talking about the

1310
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:21,640
ISIS connection the other day, So.

1311
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: The sultan thing. Are you talking about about the guy

1312
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,199
who did the torture video.

1313
01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 4: No, there was a separate email that related to ISIS

1314
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:39,079
and destabilization, Yeah, Libya and Egypt. And I can't remember

1315
01:08:39,119 --> 01:08:42,279
who he was emailing, but I've got a bookmark. I'm

1316
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:44,760
sure everybody can find that one pretty easily. But it

1317
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,159
might be the one where he mentions Peter Teal and

1318
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:50,319
he's like, hey, Teal, here's what I'm trying to explain

1319
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:54,399
to you. And it's his grammar and it's so bad.

1320
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:58,319
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, is terrible, dude. It's kissing me off.

1321
01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:00,000
Whenever I read them. I'm like, can you just stop

1322
01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:03,199
putting spaces between commas and all this sort of stuff.

1323
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:08,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to say he's mentioning Muslim brotherhood and

1324
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,479
or maybe isis I don't remember. There there was an

1325
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,079
email about a terror event. I just don't remember which

1326
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:17,520
one it was. But there might have even been two

1327
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,720
different emails that I'm mixing up. But anyway you can

1328
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,600
find that one, I think. So what I'm getting at

1329
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,199
is that when when it's high finance, uh you know,

1330
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:28,960
financial scandals, uh you know, he seemed to have had

1331
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,880
a lot of knowledge about what was going on with

1332
01:09:31,119 --> 01:09:35,159
the Greek debt crisis, uh, the bailouts of the European

1333
01:09:35,239 --> 01:09:39,399
banks in the Bandon interview that even connects to the

1334
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:43,239
twos and eight housing collapse with Lehman Brothers and bear Stearns,

1335
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:46,680
and he's telling Bannon that he's calling people from jail

1336
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,199
about explaining what's going So it's like he's like if

1337
01:09:49,239 --> 01:09:52,079
you watch if you watch Goodfellows, right when Pauli the

1338
01:09:52,199 --> 01:09:55,239
gangster is in the jail, he's like running the family

1339
01:09:55,319 --> 01:09:59,239
operations from jail. It's like Epstein is literally in jail

1340
01:09:59,359 --> 01:09:59,920
like you.

1341
01:10:00,199 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: That's happening in Australia. You've got the Lebanese gangs over

1342
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:04,520
here that are big drug lords and one of them

1343
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,000
is literally running everything from inside the jet. It's insane

1344
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:12,079
and they got access to phones and all that. All right, Anyways, Jay,

1345
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,039
we'll do that again. After the next topic, we'll read

1346
01:10:15,079 --> 01:10:16,880
some supers. It'll be orange and up guys, So we'll

1347
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:18,439
read orange and Up at the next one so we're

1348
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,079
not bogged down for too long. Mis d mentions to

1349
01:10:21,159 --> 01:10:22,600
join the discord guys, if you're not a part of

1350
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,840
the Radlpsnake TV discord, you absolutely should be always good

1351
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,479
fun in there. Like the video if you're here, helps

1352
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,359
us push this out if you're enjoying the information. But Jay,

1353
01:10:33,279 --> 01:10:35,199
this is probably maybe the thing that I'm most curious

1354
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:37,039
about of all the different things that are happening in

1355
01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:40,199
the Epstein files. And I know that we can connect

1356
01:10:40,199 --> 01:10:42,399
the dots here. But you've got all of the New

1357
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:46,560
Age atheists. You're Daniel Dennet's, Richard Dawkins, Lawrence Krauss, all

1358
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,199
of these guys all happen to be really buddy buddy

1359
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,079
with Jeffrey Epstein. He seems to be upset. Even Eric

1360
01:10:52,119 --> 01:10:57,520
Weinstein was at his island, like he seems to be

1361
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,199
obsessed with all of these New Age atheist character is.

1362
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:02,439
And then you posted saying that New Age atheism was

1363
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,560
always a syop, and it kind of got the wheels

1364
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,119
tending a little bit where I was thinking, could it

1365
01:11:07,159 --> 01:11:11,439
be that this was like a literal syop? And then

1366
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:16,239
we've also got an obsession with eugenics and with some

1367
01:11:16,279 --> 01:11:18,600
sort of cloning or something. I'm gonna let you explain

1368
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,439
what's going on there. So, I mean, let's start off

1369
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:22,359
with the New Age atheism and why this guy is

1370
01:11:22,399 --> 01:11:26,640
so obsessed with scientists and getting involved with scientists, Stephen Pinker, everybody.

1371
01:11:28,359 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 4: Well, I think they seem to treat science and scientism

1372
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,479
almost in a quasi religious way, right.

1373
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:35,199
Speaker 3: You know.

1374
01:11:35,239 --> 01:11:39,399
Speaker 4: Epstein seems to in the Bandon Interview equate science mathematics

1375
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:44,000
and his conception of religion very closely, almost kind of

1376
01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:48,239
hinting at times of being interested in alchemy, hermeticism, and Kabbala.

1377
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:50,640
You know, you and I talked about what that was

1378
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:52,840
a few weeks ago on your show. We talked about

1379
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,399
ten minutes about Kabbala stuff, and that clip is on

1380
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,039
my Twitter. People want to refer back to that, so

1381
01:11:57,079 --> 01:11:59,880
I won't go into that, but yeah, Jewish mysticism seems to.

1382
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 3: Play role here.

1383
01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 4: He thinks of all the reality as mathematics, which is Pythagoreanism.

1384
01:12:05,079 --> 01:12:08,880
That's also comes up a lot in Western hermeticism. So

1385
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,359
that seems to be Epstein's personal worldview, and that's not

1386
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:17,600
necessarily antithetical to atheism and that kind of stuff. Because

1387
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,840
one thing that I didn't expect was really weird in

1388
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,720
the interview details Ben, and he says, I think that

1389
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:29,199
reality is created from our minds. Our minds project reality,

1390
01:12:29,239 --> 01:12:32,520
and it's just code. So some kind of like matrix, bro,

1391
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,960
you know, we live in a simulation type worldview seems

1392
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:40,159
to be what he favors, which again is parallel with gnosticism,

1393
01:12:40,199 --> 01:12:44,000
parallel with Cabbala, Platonism, all of those Pythagrenism, all those

1394
01:12:44,039 --> 01:12:46,760
kind of overlap in that idea, So that seems to

1395
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:51,159
be his worldview, and that's not even necessarily antithetical to

1396
01:12:51,239 --> 01:12:52,760
a lot of what we've heard some of the new

1397
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:56,159
atheists express over the years. For example, Dawkins has said

1398
01:12:56,199 --> 01:12:59,319
stuff like I'm not necessarily totally atheists, but I think

1399
01:12:59,319 --> 01:13:02,319
that there could be some kind of pantheistic God from within,

1400
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,319
or that reality as a whole is God, a kind

1401
01:13:05,359 --> 01:13:10,840
of ammonism. Daniel Dennett is a very strict determinist atheist

1402
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,520
because I remember reading him in grad school, so I

1403
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,000
don't know if he has any kind of simulation view.

1404
01:13:17,039 --> 01:13:18,920
I doubt it, but maybe he does. I don't remember,

1405
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,720
uh pinker. I think he trust to focus on like

1406
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:27,000
consciousness and you know, consciousness being in some way matter.

1407
01:13:27,039 --> 01:13:28,359
I'm going from a memory here. I have one of

1408
01:13:28,359 --> 01:13:29,920
his books, but it was years ago when I looked

1409
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:33,800
at it. But regardless, like those guys push, you know,

1410
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,640
rank materialism on the population. And it's funny you mentioned

1411
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,600
Lawrence Krause because and I'm not saying that there's no

1412
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:46,000
data that immediately necessarily implicates those new atheists. There could be,

1413
01:13:46,119 --> 01:13:48,760
but they just happened to be very close to Epstein

1414
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:53,359
and constantly sort of flying and visiting. But Lawrence Krauss

1415
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,880
had that comment that we wrote an article on maybe

1416
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,880
ten years ago, where he said, Uh, if you understood

1417
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,039
what the universe really was, you would understand that we

1418
01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:01,920
are all made.

1419
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 3: Of star stuff or something like that. Right.

1420
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,279
Speaker 4: Yes, well that's weird because that's actually a croly quote.

1421
01:14:06,319 --> 01:14:08,319
It's actually Alistair Curley who said, you know, we are

1422
01:14:08,359 --> 01:14:12,800
actually star stuff, right, and we will become gods, you know,

1423
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,359
if we continue to evolve. So, whether it's Ray Kurtzweil

1424
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:20,439
or whether it's Jeffrey Epstein, the overriding perspective of transhumanism

1425
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:22,520
is that technology will be the means by which we

1426
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,960
can achieve apotheosis and basically take on kind of godlike

1427
01:14:27,039 --> 01:14:30,760
powers through technology. So as we advance, we'll have you know,

1428
01:14:31,039 --> 01:14:34,680
cyborg phase, and we'll have you know, silicon body replacement phase,

1429
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,319
all these different phases leading us.

1430
01:14:36,199 --> 01:14:38,560
Speaker 3: To what people like Arthur C.

1431
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:42,199
Speaker 4: Clark and other sci fi writers wrote about in their

1432
01:14:42,199 --> 01:14:44,720
writings asthmov as well, where we kind of become these

1433
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,520
godlike figures in the distance sci fi future. So that

1434
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,760
seems to be Epstein's worldview seems to have this very

1435
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,880
sci fi dorky worldview where he types it even in

1436
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:56,840
some of the emails he's talking about like time travel

1437
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,800
as a possibility is weird stuff. He wants to decode

1438
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,479
reality and tap into other dimensions, and so sci fi

1439
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:08,079
gnosticism is also amenable to cobblism. I did an interview

1440
01:15:08,119 --> 01:15:12,720
many years ago with Greg Caralwood of the HIGERSI Chats

1441
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,359
where I was pointing out maybe ten years ago that

1442
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:19,560
sci fi is actually cabalistic gnostic illuminism, and it's it's

1443
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,319
was preparing people, I think for the adopting of the

1444
01:15:22,359 --> 01:15:25,119
transhumanist ethos anyway it seems to be.

1445
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,079
Speaker 1: But he's like you said that he's got this nerdy worldview,

1446
01:15:28,079 --> 01:15:30,000
and that makes sense. But do you think that he

1447
01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:34,279
is a guy who is like learned about whatever spiritual

1448
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:38,399
thing that he believes in, or he actually studies his

1449
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,840
stuff like he has a real worldview and like a

1450
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,840
metaphysical worldview, or.

1451
01:15:46,279 --> 01:15:48,199
Speaker 4: To a degree, I mean, he does seem to have

1452
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,680
familiarity with some of these topics, I mean enough to

1453
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,880
like talk about it with a reasonable degree of knowledge,

1454
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,680
but also like in other areas, for example, he wanted

1455
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,680
to sound off like he was a philosopher in the

1456
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,680
band An interview, and I mean as a person trained

1457
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,560
in philosophy, he sounded kind of more like a sued

1458
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,119
to me, like maybe just familiar with a couple of

1459
01:16:09,239 --> 01:16:12,000
general ideas. And then I don't know a lot about

1460
01:16:12,119 --> 01:16:15,680
you know, coding and computer tech and all that. But

1461
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:17,800
people were telling me that when he was talking about

1462
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:21,039
AI and neural nets and mapping, they said it was

1463
01:16:21,079 --> 01:16:24,560
a really sued, kind of low level understanding. But it's

1464
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:28,279
definitely possible that in regard to you know, mathematics or

1465
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,520
you know, Jewish mysticism, he might have a lot more knowledge.

1466
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:34,399
Speaker 3: He seems to have some knowledge of that.

1467
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:38,239
Speaker 4: But yeah, exactly how deep into these topics, it's hard

1468
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:41,479
to say, because we only have kind of scant things

1469
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:45,359
in the emails and the band in interview so far

1470
01:16:45,399 --> 01:16:48,720
to go to go on. But definitely more so he

1471
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:53,960
knows about high finance than he does philosophy or esoteric stuff.

1472
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:58,119
Speaker 1: But he's people who do know. Because one of the

1473
01:16:58,119 --> 01:16:59,600
things that we'll get to this a bit later about

1474
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,479
this this symbolism. And I watched Jonathan Pagot talk about

1475
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,800
the symbolism of the temple that's on his island and

1476
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:09,279
saying that there isn't really too much there partic go on.

1477
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,960
So it doesn't look like Epstein has some sort of

1478
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:19,600
like a deep understanding of metaphysics or of the caballistic

1479
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:21,039
or worldview whatever.

1480
01:17:21,079 --> 01:17:21,359
Speaker 3: It is.

1481
01:17:23,119 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: All right, but back to the New Age atheists. Do

1482
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,159
you think that it's possible, Obviously it's possible. What do

1483
01:17:28,199 --> 01:17:31,199
you think the likelihood is that actually this whole entire

1484
01:17:31,359 --> 01:17:35,960
New Age movement was in some way AstroTurf got pushed

1485
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:41,199
by some sort of elite powers onto the population in

1486
01:17:41,279 --> 01:17:46,439
order to push this mass consumerism, mass materialism, rejection of Christianity.

1487
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 4: Well, I think with Epstein's attitudes and statements about Christianity,

1488
01:17:52,359 --> 01:17:56,319
white civilization, Western Christians, white Western civilization, he definitely had

1489
01:17:56,319 --> 01:18:01,239
an absolute hatred and antipathy for that, especially what came

1490
01:18:01,279 --> 01:18:04,319
out with that just horrendous email about the child that

1491
01:18:04,359 --> 01:18:09,520
I won't mention, but that I think suggests a pretty deep, dark,

1492
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:13,239
sort of satanic element here. Again, how far he knows

1493
01:18:13,279 --> 01:18:16,920
about ritual magic and Grimoire's could be anybody's guest, but

1494
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:20,720
he definitely seems to be committed to a lot of

1495
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:24,680
practices that suggest a knowledge of that. But for the

1496
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,079
new atheists. It's interesting because they gained a lot of

1497
01:18:27,119 --> 01:18:30,079
popularity in the early days of the Internet and YouTube,

1498
01:18:30,079 --> 01:18:31,600
you know, in the two thousands, they were some of

1499
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,600
the biggest YouTube channels that were promoted everywhere heavily.

1500
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,079
Speaker 1: That I even said, I was like a full on

1501
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,359
normally Australian didn't care about any of this stuff, but

1502
01:18:41,359 --> 01:18:45,439
I used to watch christ fitchins for some reason. Yeah.

1503
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:51,279
Speaker 4: My suspicion is that they were establishment promoted voices and

1504
01:18:51,319 --> 01:18:54,840
figures on purpose, and I don't doubt that it has

1505
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,319
is because I think of these connections to people like Epstein.

1506
01:19:01,079 --> 01:19:03,079
I don't know again that any of them weren't necessarily

1507
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,079
doing anything or involved.

1508
01:19:05,119 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 3: That may come out, we'll have to see.

1509
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 4: But the other thing I would point to that proves

1510
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:10,920
this I think thesis which I've had for a long time,

1511
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,800
that establishment atheism is an intentional sort of sigh out.

1512
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:14,399
Speaker 3: The other thing is.

1513
01:19:14,319 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 4: That he seemed to be very interested in promoting things

1514
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,199
and sort of degenerate stuff through four Chan. Because he

1515
01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:23,720
goes and meets with the four Chan dude. Four Chan

1516
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:26,439
ended up becoming a major driver of I guess you

1517
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,520
could say, you know, Internet mean culture and degeneration for

1518
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,319
a lot of millennials in gen Z. So I think

1519
01:19:32,359 --> 01:19:34,680
there's a lot of disgusting stuff that people were exposed to,

1520
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,439
probably intentionally through four Chan. And we know a few

1521
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:40,159
months ago it came out that a lot of the

1522
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,600
mods and people who were involved for many many years

1523
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,760
were professors, and it was a lot of professor and

1524
01:19:47,079 --> 01:19:50,960
university ips. Doesn't surprise me at all, given the fact

1525
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,680
that we're beginning to see that not just four Chane,

1526
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:57,680
but also apparently allegedly Gislaine was one of the top

1527
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:01,520
Reddit mods she had of thousands of posts or something

1528
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,359
crazy like that. So they seem to have a very

1529
01:20:04,399 --> 01:20:11,239
interested attitude towards culture, and not just celebrities and actresses

1530
01:20:11,279 --> 01:20:16,000
and actors and you know, pop stars, but also toxic culture.

1531
01:20:16,079 --> 01:20:18,000
And one of the things I've focused on in my writings,

1532
01:20:18,079 --> 01:20:21,039
especially as to our Hollywood books, was why the elite,

1533
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:26,279
the oligarchs see a necessity to program and control culture

1534
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,000
because that's what most people are exposed to. They're not

1535
01:20:29,039 --> 01:20:30,840
going to read the science papers, they don't care about,

1536
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:34,000
you know, Bill Gates's John Hopkins research. They're going to

1537
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,560
be interested in what's Lady Gaga doing this?

1538
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:37,239
Speaker 3: Week right.

1539
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 4: So pop culture is a key thing that Epstein definitely

1540
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:44,520
understood as a way to influence in steer society. And

1541
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:49,520
I think that suggests that new atheists were definitely propped up.

1542
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,520
I don't know how cognizant they were of being some

1543
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,119
sort of mouthpiece of something transhumanists, but they definitely were

1544
01:20:55,119 --> 01:20:59,680
propped up to push this agenda. But also perhaps other

1545
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,119
occult arena's player role in this too.

1546
01:21:03,119 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 3: So in other words, now there was It's not just

1547
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,399
the new atheist.

1548
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 4: You asked if the New Age movement has a pedigree,

1549
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:14,680
it absolutely does. In fact, Madame Levaski was a Rothschild

1550
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,279
sort of front as well for religion. She's in the

1551
01:21:17,279 --> 01:21:21,600
Fabian Socialist Society, which was propped up by Lionel Curtis

1552
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:26,760
and Lord Rothchall Lord Milner, And she's the Crowley before Crowley. Right,

1553
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,199
you couldn't have Crowley without Madame Lebatski, And Crowley says,

1554
01:21:31,079 --> 01:21:33,520
I'm only here because of what Blvaski is. She prepared

1555
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,000
the way for the West to adopt a lot of

1556
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,840
occult practices like Tantra, New Age Movement, et cetera. Like

1557
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:43,640
Crowley prepares the way for the sixties counterculture and even

1558
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:47,439
Tim Leary says, I'm just doing what Alistair Curley did right,

1559
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,520
so absolutely, and he was a work for the CIA.

1560
01:21:51,319 --> 01:21:51,560
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1561
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,239
Speaker 1: Now it is interesting when you when you think about it,

1562
01:21:54,319 --> 01:21:57,479
because the New Age Movement, the New Atheist movement, all

1563
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,840
these things just completely exploded onto the scene over the

1564
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:06,560
past two decades or so, and it just seems so astroturfed.

1565
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,079
I mean, everybody thinks they're going against the grain. They

1566
01:22:09,079 --> 01:22:12,199
think they were like, yeah, independent thinker is because they

1567
01:22:12,319 --> 01:22:15,119
go and do ayahuascar in a jungle. And this sort

1568
01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:18,079
of stuff is just being just pushed onto people and

1569
01:22:18,079 --> 01:22:20,840
people are buying it really hook line and sinker, but

1570
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,640
really it is kind of demonic. And then you've got

1571
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,039
people like Jeffrey Epstein who are pushing this sort of

1572
01:22:27,039 --> 01:22:29,680
thing or who practice and engage in these sorts of things.

1573
01:22:30,319 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 3: Well, you want a good tie into that. So the

1574
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,159
New Age Movement.

1575
01:22:34,039 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 4: In doctor David Patrick Harry, who's done a lot of

1576
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,439
talks on this, he hooked me up with a book

1577
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:41,840
that's an academic history of what's called the Esslin Institute,

1578
01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:44,319
which is out in Big Sur, California, which one of

1579
01:22:44,319 --> 01:22:46,560
the most beautiful places if you go to California and

1580
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:51,479
drive up the Big sur Road because it's amazingly beautiful countryside.

1581
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,399
But as you're driving up there, there's this institute that

1582
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:56,760
was set up, i want to say, in the sixty

1583
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,960
early sixties, called the Esslin Institute, and that kind of

1584
01:23:00,119 --> 01:23:04,199
comes the the fountain head or the think tank of

1585
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:11,439
the sixties counterculture movement, including the sexual revolution, including meditation, yoga,

1586
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:15,159
all that boomer era, you know, crunchy yoga stuff that

1587
01:23:15,159 --> 01:23:17,560
that they got into. And the music too, the music

1588
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,960
scene as well. They comes out of Esslin Institute.

1589
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:20,079
Speaker 3: A lot of it.

1590
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 4: Well, guess who's one of the key figures at Esslin,

1591
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:28,159
including Aldus Huxley. Deepak Chopra is a huge player in

1592
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:31,159
the Eslin Institute for many many years and who pops

1593
01:23:31,239 --> 01:23:35,560
up in a lot of the Epstein emails, one of

1594
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:40,279
the key New Age promoters. You know, open your third

1595
01:23:40,319 --> 01:23:45,159
eye and let me So you've got these urus and

1596
01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:46,960
these swami's I've been making I'm gonna make fun of

1597
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:47,640
the gurus forever.

1598
01:23:48,359 --> 01:23:51,399
Speaker 3: That's that's telling right there. And that one email where he's.

1599
01:23:51,279 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 6: Like, I don't know know if there is a god,

1600
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,079
but I do know that there are good looking women girls.

1601
01:23:58,039 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 2: Whether there is I don't know.

1602
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you see that email? Oh yeah, he's deep.

1603
01:24:04,319 --> 01:24:06,520
Speaker 4: By choppers and Emil saying I don't know if there

1604
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,199
is any God, but I do know that there's q

1605
01:24:08,399 --> 01:24:09,520
young girls or something like that.

1606
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, so the cult leader guys, they they always

1607
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,520
end up with all of the chicks in their room.

1608
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,000
They always end up in an orgy with everybody's wife

1609
01:24:20,039 --> 01:24:22,840
and daughter. I mean, isn't it funny how that always happens.

1610
01:24:24,359 --> 01:24:29,199
Speaker 6: God wants you to let me enjoy your buttle. God

1611
01:24:29,239 --> 01:24:31,079
has told me that you mor slip.

1612
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:31,359
Speaker 3: With miss.

1613
01:24:34,279 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: Every time.

1614
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, we see that with the chopper.

1615
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:39,840
So that's just one example.

1616
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,279
Speaker 4: But uh, you know, Dave mcgallan wrote Weird Scene Inside

1617
01:24:42,319 --> 01:24:44,239
the Canyon, which is a good book on the history

1618
01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:46,920
of the sixties counterculture, being kind of AstroTurf. Like you said,

1619
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:52,199
that's that's that's one book on that. Even mainline, non

1620
01:24:52,239 --> 01:24:55,079
conspiratorial books like Jay Stevens wrote a book Storming Heaven

1621
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,079
kind of as a mainline historian, even kind of admitting

1622
01:24:58,119 --> 01:25:01,920
a lot of the establishment promotion of the counterculture. You

1623
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,800
had even Time Life magazine, which was Henry Luce of

1624
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:08,239
the Oss and Skolin Bones fame. He's the one that

1625
01:25:08,319 --> 01:25:14,319
actually popularized and premiered the anthea gen mushroom stuff in

1626
01:25:14,359 --> 01:25:18,479
the nineteen sixties. So a lot of this, as you said,

1627
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,800
counter culture stuff is actually controlled counterculture that's put out

1628
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:26,600
on purpose and doesn't mean everybody in the counterculture is

1629
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,239
part of that. A lot of people wake up to

1630
01:25:29,319 --> 01:25:31,079
it and then start, hey, this is a bunch of

1631
01:25:31,119 --> 01:25:34,920
bull crap. But a lot of pop culture is definitely

1632
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:36,680
controlled for sure.

1633
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:42,079
Speaker 1: So what do you think Epstein's big obsession was with signs?

1634
01:25:42,119 --> 01:25:44,760
Do you think that it was a transhumanist thing. I

1635
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,640
have heard some rumors that he was into all kinds

1636
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:52,640
of weird stuff like cloning. I've recently looked into like

1637
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,399
your friends over at info Wars recently put this video

1638
01:25:55,479 --> 01:26:01,399
out about Peter Nygard who was openly talking about using

1639
01:26:01,399 --> 01:26:06,600
the stem cells of a bordered fetuses to prolonged life,

1640
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:08,880
to as like a fountain of youth sort of thing.

1641
01:26:09,279 --> 01:26:12,399
And he was openly saying that these black women, which

1642
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:15,279
is almost it looked like a comedy bit. It's almost

1643
01:26:15,279 --> 01:26:16,560
shocking that it wasn't a comedy bit.

1644
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 3: That's real.

1645
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:20,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, the black women are big and strong, and he

1646
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:23,680
wants some of that. He wants some of that stem cell,

1647
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,800
you know, to get that big, big, strong black woman

1648
01:26:27,239 --> 01:26:29,720
stem cell inside him.

1649
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 3: So make sure that his offspring clones are thick.

1650
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: Kind of make sure the Yeah, yeah, you don't want

1651
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:43,960
to just look in like a like a bean pole,

1652
01:26:44,119 --> 01:26:46,279
you know, like a white lady. You want some hips

1653
01:26:48,039 --> 01:26:51,640
and some fast twitch muscle fibers and everything. But what

1654
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:53,640
do you think is going on here? What is Jeffrey

1655
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,119
Epstein's worldview as far as you can see when it

1656
01:26:56,119 --> 01:26:59,399
comes to science, technology, transhumanism and the way in which

1657
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,920
I don't know, the way in which they can bloan people,

1658
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:04,079
prolonged life everything.

1659
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:07,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well I think no, I think that is

1660
01:27:07,079 --> 01:27:10,000
his religion, you could say, ultimately, because you know, I

1661
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,039
remember Alex talking about this twenty years ago when I

1662
01:27:12,039 --> 01:27:15,760
first heard about transhumanism and transhumanist movement, and I remember thinking, well,

1663
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,039
this is there's a lot of sci fi movies I've watched.

1664
01:27:18,159 --> 01:27:19,760
Is this real or is this like some kind of

1665
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:24,560
science fiction thing? And so I remember getting right around

1666
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,239
that time, mid two thousands, I remember Ray Kurtzball put

1667
01:27:27,239 --> 01:27:30,279
out a documentary and I remember watching that because he's

1668
01:27:30,319 --> 01:27:33,399
one of the you know, four foremost transhumanist thinkers.

1669
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 3: He wrote Singularity, which is his book.

1670
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:39,319
Speaker 4: On you know, merging with the AI and whatnot, and

1671
01:27:39,359 --> 01:27:42,279
then he wrote another book called Age of Spiritual Machines.

1672
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:44,560
So I bought those books back in the day, and

1673
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:48,039
I remember getting deep into that and realizing, okay, wow,

1674
01:27:48,039 --> 01:27:50,600
a lot of this you know, sci fi stuff is

1675
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:52,760
like what they think the future is really going to be.

1676
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,439
And I got a hold of the famous journalist Any Jacobson.

1677
01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,600
She did a whole history of DARPA called Global Brain

1678
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:02,520
or something like that. I forget the exact title, but

1679
01:28:03,399 --> 01:28:05,680
I read that book. We lectured through that many years ago,

1680
01:28:06,279 --> 01:28:08,000
and it turns out, yeah, a lot of this stuff

1681
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:11,319
is that you think sci fi like, they're actually trying

1682
01:28:11,359 --> 01:28:13,720
to plan and roll that out. And you know, we

1683
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,560
talked about this tim fifteen years ago. People thought it

1684
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,199
was crazy. But now that we're in twenty twenty five,

1685
01:28:17,239 --> 01:28:19,439
twenty twenty six and you've got AI, people are starting

1686
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:21,000
to think, Okay, maybe this is actually where.

1687
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:21,359
Speaker 3: They want to go.

1688
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:24,159
Speaker 4: And they've been sort of conditioning people through sci fi

1689
01:28:24,319 --> 01:28:27,880
and through movies and whatnot to accept it. Anyway, long

1690
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:32,039
story shorten. Yeah, I think that is Epstein's religion. It

1691
01:28:32,319 --> 01:28:35,000
jibes with a lot of what curs Ball talks about

1692
01:28:35,039 --> 01:28:39,119
in his books about singularity and whatnot.

1693
01:28:39,399 --> 01:28:42,079
Speaker 3: And it looks like the Zorro Ranch.

1694
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 4: Which was one of his facilities beyond you know, the

1695
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:50,000
the New York and Little Saint James Island and by

1696
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,199
the way corner Whitney Webby also had some properties I

1697
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:54,039
don't want to say in France. So I wonder what's

1698
01:28:54,039 --> 01:28:56,800
we seem to be not talking much about the France properties.

1699
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 3: People should look into that.

1700
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 4: But so he had this property in it was Arizona

1701
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:07,039
or New mexicoverywhere Zoral Ranch it was called. And a

1702
01:29:07,039 --> 01:29:09,000
lot of the images and pictures have come out of

1703
01:29:09,039 --> 01:29:13,840
that which are bizarre and shocking. There's definitely seemingly some

1704
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,279
satanic type stuff going on because he has a large

1705
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:22,239
Roman Catholic slash Byzantine cross which one of the images

1706
01:29:22,279 --> 01:29:25,800
has blacked out, which could be a child, we don't

1707
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,039
know what a nude person next to it. So he

1708
01:29:28,119 --> 01:29:31,039
seemed to really get off on sort of doing inverted,

1709
01:29:31,119 --> 01:29:36,239
perverted things against Christ and Christianity obviously, but Zorial Ranch

1710
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:42,720
is apparently on record as an experimental ranch for it

1711
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:48,520
looks like reading and producing offspring and clones and all

1712
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:53,399
kinds of experiments that are mad science level transhumanist type stuff.

1713
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:56,840
I just read today on my show the email where

1714
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,479
he's talking about designer babies and cloning. There's another email

1715
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:00,840
that came out of the first day where you're saying,

1716
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:02,479
I wish I could get a hold of twins because

1717
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:04,800
I want to conduct some twin research in terms of

1718
01:30:05,359 --> 01:30:08,640
epigenetic influence on the twins and what happens when they're

1719
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:12,239
exposed to this from a controlled environment from birth. So

1720
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,119
that's what's going on at Zoro Ranch. But they shut

1721
01:30:15,159 --> 01:30:19,159
it down and dozed it. So a lot of what

1722
01:30:19,279 --> 01:30:21,039
was really going on we don't know other than what

1723
01:30:21,079 --> 01:30:23,039
people are sort of piecing together from the emails, but

1724
01:30:23,079 --> 01:30:27,279
it looks very similar to what Nigar was describing with

1725
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:31,520
getting the stem cells of children of border babies, et cetera,

1726
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:35,680
experimenting with it using the fluids for different purposes. And

1727
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:39,039
we know Hollywood has been involved in you know, Kardashian

1728
01:30:39,119 --> 01:30:42,520
put out her what did she call it, vampire facials

1729
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:46,880
where she would use blood as a facial and there's

1730
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:53,399
been reports too of using young children's skin. I know

1731
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:57,359
this sounds kind of crazy schidzo level stuff, but using

1732
01:30:57,359 --> 01:31:00,239
this for beauty products. You can actually find article that

1733
01:31:00,279 --> 01:31:04,159
have discussed this in terms of like criminal organizations producing

1734
01:31:04,199 --> 01:31:07,840
these kinds of products, because apparently, I don't know, she.

1735
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 1: Would use her own blood.

1736
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 4: Yeah right, No, I'm not saying she was using children.

1737
01:31:13,239 --> 01:31:18,600
I'm just saying that the same. Yeah, there was one

1738
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:20,800
that was if I remember the title was something like

1739
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:26,119
there was investigation into uh, the when children are circumcised

1740
01:31:26,199 --> 01:31:29,159
that the skin can be used for skin care products.

1741
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:32,640
Speaker 3: So you can think of search that way.

1742
01:31:33,159 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 1: I've been doing it this whole time, but yeah, that's

1743
01:31:36,039 --> 01:31:36,840
that's insane.

1744
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1745
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:42,119
Speaker 4: And then what they do what they do with what

1746
01:31:42,279 --> 01:31:44,760
Alex was calling the ambrosia, that that is an older

1747
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,199
thing that elites have been into, which is sort of

1748
01:31:47,399 --> 01:31:53,359
extracting endorphins or blood that is endorphinized whatever, those big

1749
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:56,479
perhaps through things like T O R T R E.

1750
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:02,680
And then in consuming that or consuming pieces of flesh

1751
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:05,000
or something like that. You do have a history of

1752
01:32:05,159 --> 01:32:08,439
aristocracy engaging in those kinds of activity. So it's not

1753
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:12,239
unheard of in history exactly what they're.

1754
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 3: Doing with all of this.

1755
01:32:13,079 --> 01:32:15,640
Speaker 4: I don't exactly know, but Nigar was definitely into that.

1756
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:19,760
He talks about it, and it looks like that's what

1757
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:21,960
perhaps zoral Ranch was supposed to be.

1758
01:32:23,359 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 1: Absolutely insane dude, So I mean, oh.

1759
01:32:28,359 --> 01:32:31,199
Speaker 4: By the way, another case of this is John of God.

1760
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,239
He was the guy that was running a cult. He

1761
01:32:34,319 --> 01:32:36,399
was promoted by Oprah and he was this weird new

1762
01:32:36,399 --> 01:32:39,760
age healer guy in I want to say, Peru of

1763
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:44,479
Brazil and Oprah wood there. John of God, Yeah, his

1764
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,079
cult maybe Brazil and Oprah would promote him all the

1765
01:32:47,079 --> 01:32:48,239
time on the show. She would fly down there and

1766
01:32:48,279 --> 01:32:50,359
do shows with him, and he was this quote new

1767
01:32:50,399 --> 01:32:52,520
age healer. But it turns out he got busted for

1768
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:55,920
a giant baby farming operation and he was like taking

1769
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,399
local prostitutes and making them have babies and then selling

1770
01:32:58,399 --> 01:33:01,199
the babies. So the same same type of thing that

1771
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:04,479
it looks like Zorol Ranch was.

1772
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:09,079
Speaker 1: What the hell is it gonna really quickly change the

1773
01:33:09,239 --> 01:33:12,159
screen shore here is this dude.

1774
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,079
Speaker 4: The journalists the journalist at first broke the John of

1775
01:33:15,079 --> 01:33:15,600
God's story.

1776
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:19,039
Speaker 3: She did not make it. She was also unlived very quick.

1777
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 1: Right, So Brazilian faith healer Brazil thank goodness, all right,

1778
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:32,319
John of God, that's another one to research. Was that

1779
01:33:32,359 --> 01:33:37,000
guy linked with Epstein doll not similar ideas.

1780
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:40,119
Speaker 4: I think it was a similar operation of like trying

1781
01:33:40,119 --> 01:33:45,000
to farm out uh having a basically a brood, right,

1782
01:33:45,159 --> 01:33:48,600
like a woman that could brood mares that could sort

1783
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:54,640
of produce the offspring for these trafficking and organ purposes.

1784
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:59,319
Speaker 1: Right, And so they think that Epstein was having people

1785
01:33:59,359 --> 01:34:01,359
at his eye, like women at his island who would

1786
01:34:01,359 --> 01:34:04,600
have his children, and then they would the island.

1787
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 3: But that Zoro ranch definitely.

1788
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:11,279
Speaker 1: Right, right, and then they would perhaps they would actually

1789
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:15,239
because I'm pretty sure this is what Peter and Nygard

1790
01:34:15,359 --> 01:34:18,520
was saying. And I might pull this up because Chris

1791
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:21,880
Hansen actually talks about Peter Nygars and that if he

1792
01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:26,000
impregnated women and they had and it was his offspring,

1793
01:34:26,039 --> 01:34:29,039
then the stem cells would be much more useful when

1794
01:34:29,079 --> 01:34:30,159
they were aborted or something.

1795
01:34:31,119 --> 01:34:31,439
Speaker 3: Correct.

1796
01:34:33,319 --> 01:34:36,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's by the way, believe it or not,

1797
01:34:38,159 --> 01:34:41,279
that's i Ian Fleming might have even been aware of

1798
01:34:41,279 --> 01:34:46,399
this because although in the story Moonraker, Hugo Drax is

1799
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:51,680
just a just more like an international sort of war

1800
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:55,359
criminal person who wants to use VT rocket V Two

1801
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:59,880
rockets on England in the movie Moonraker. It's like a

1802
01:35:00,039 --> 01:35:02,760
literal Epstein type of villain where he wants to take

1803
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:06,119
all the races. He's got black chicks, he's got like

1804
01:35:06,279 --> 01:35:09,680
Brazilian chicks, he's got blonde chicks. He's got like this brood,

1805
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:13,960
and he wants to depopulate the earth and reseede it

1806
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,359
with his own offspring, which is all like, that's like,

1807
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,640
that's legit Epstein stuff right there, Like that's that's what

1808
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:22,319
Epstein apparently wanted to do with Zorah Ranch.

1809
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:27,119
Speaker 1: But even I was, I was just gonna say, this

1810
01:35:27,159 --> 01:35:30,800
is uh, Chris Hanson take it, you know, Chris Hansen

1811
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:32,199
from To Catch Predator, to take a see take a

1812
01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:35,960
step from the Predator. He was obsessed.

1813
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,560
Speaker 5: Peter Nigart was with stem cell research in anything that

1814
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,279
he could get his hands on to preserve his health

1815
01:35:42,399 --> 01:35:46,560
and youth and to create longevity, and according to many

1816
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:51,720
people involved in the investigation, he actually would impregnate underage girls,

1817
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:55,920
have them get abortions, and then harvest the stem cells

1818
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,760
the fetuses to inject in himself under the belief that

1819
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,640
it would be more beneficial than random stem cells from

1820
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:04,840
another source, and that he would go to China and

1821
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:08,359
other countries to learn how to do this and have

1822
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:12,439
it done. And the underage aspect of this is you know,

1823
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:15,359
a big part of the investigation too. But that's part

1824
01:36:15,359 --> 01:36:19,920
of it. That's how far he would allegedly go to

1825
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:21,479
extend his life and his lifestyle.

1826
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 1: Chris Hansen, Hello, ideal.

1827
01:36:28,199 --> 01:36:30,359
Speaker 4: I didn't know he talked about that. That's crazy, but yeah,

1828
01:36:30,399 --> 01:36:32,640
that's that's exactly what now. Think about this?

1829
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:33,039
Speaker 3: Right?

1830
01:36:33,079 --> 01:36:35,039
Speaker 4: And I put this on Twitter the other day. There's

1831
01:36:35,079 --> 01:36:37,119
the whole list of these that have popped in my head.

1832
01:36:37,199 --> 01:36:42,479
And there's more. You've got, You've got Epstein, You've got Savile, Franklin,

1833
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:50,319
cover up finders, Elm, Guesthouse, Kin Korra, Nexium, the Vatican cases, Diddy, Niguard,

1834
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:56,319
dou Troux. There's obvious insane level patterns in all of these.

1835
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:02,079
John David Norman connected to Joay Gacy right, Like, there's

1836
01:37:02,079 --> 01:37:04,319
a there's a clear pattern. And the mc martin preschool

1837
01:37:04,359 --> 01:37:08,239
trial case with that. Ted Gunderson of the FBI covered

1838
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,399
Like what does that tell you? Like, this is like

1839
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,960
a Donald God again. This is a repeat, you know,

1840
01:37:14,119 --> 01:37:19,199
pattern of international black market. You know, dark, dark, stuff,

1841
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,920
and it's not accidental. You're not crazy for finding and

1842
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:26,159
noticing a pattern amongst these because the pattern's obvious.

1843
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,399
Speaker 1: All right, man, well, I think let's get into some

1844
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,640
of these questions that are being asked over here. I

1845
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:33,199
do also want to get into the is he a

1846
01:37:33,239 --> 01:37:35,560
live theory? And then I want to I also wanted

1847
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,399
to speak to you about the professor Dave guy who's

1848
01:37:38,399 --> 01:37:41,239
been attacking you. Do you have time for that? Sure?

1849
01:37:41,279 --> 01:37:46,239
Another half an hour, thanks, I appreciate that. So be

1850
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:48,680
in says for twenty. When I hear people accused Trump

1851
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:52,279
of using Epstein's girl, I hear his defenders saying he

1852
01:37:52,359 --> 01:37:54,800
was never at the island and that he disavowed Epstein.

1853
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:56,840
But those are weak defenses on their own, aren't they?

1854
01:37:57,039 --> 01:37:59,359
How would you defend him? I mean I would say

1855
01:37:59,359 --> 01:38:01,600
that you'd first, well, would need to present the evidence

1856
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:05,079
that he is guilty of something. But what would you say?

1857
01:38:05,159 --> 01:38:05,359
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1858
01:38:07,039 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean a lot.

1859
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:10,039
Speaker 4: That's why you have to be very precise, right, So

1860
01:38:10,079 --> 01:38:12,720
a lot of the files are all kinds of things. Right,

1861
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:17,119
You've got recipes like apparently Epstein made some really good

1862
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:18,880
laxative muffin.

1863
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:21,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know why that's in there.

1864
01:38:21,039 --> 01:38:24,560
Speaker 4: But you've got all kinds of crazy stuff in the files,

1865
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so you have to be really precise as to what

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it is. You know, there was a lot of disinformation

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going around the first couple of days. For example, that

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kind of ridiculous schizo person who had left a tip

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to the FBI that George Bush was humping him in

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the butt and that were cutting his foot with a

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simpter and it didn't leave any scars because it was

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a special symptar. And he was taken there by Michael Moore,

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who is totally not credible. So that's just somebody's tip, right,

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and people were passing it around like it was evidence

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or proof of something. It's just somebody. Anybody can call

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in a tip. I can call in and say, right now,

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you know, Jake Reylsnake was eating babies on an island.

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I saw it would be in the files, right, So

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gonna be really precise. That's why I think the emails

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are more damaging than a lot of the other stuff,

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because they're sort of admissions. This is people's private communications,

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which are much more liable to admit what they're really

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up to. I do think, for example, the FBI reports

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are also credible. The CHS unit, whatever that was in

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terms of talking about how we believe Epstein is, you know,

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Israeli intelligence. That's an FBI report that's more credible than

1887
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you know, even an FBI in format There was that

1888
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one schizo level thing, the guy who said he was

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an FBI informant and he worked at the Vatican and

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this and that.

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Speaker 3: That one was very very iffy.

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Speaker 4: Now when it comes to Trump, I think specifically what's

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come out so far is that Epstein said in one

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email he wanted to try to get a Trump to

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get a massage, and he wouldn't do it. There was

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an email talking about how he and Vandon wanted to

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put pressure on Trump and perhaps remove the legality so

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they could prosecute Trump. There was the colluding with the

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journalist Wolf to go after and put pressure on Trump

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to take him down. And then then we have the admission.

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As I've been saying for several months. People I mentioned

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this like ten months ago, and just Twitter just went

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after me. They went crazy, like, well, you're covering up

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forr Peedo's all I said was that I do think

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it's true that Trump ratted on Epstein A long time ago,

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and that is there's probably some degree to which Trump

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agreed perhaps to be an informant for a while, and

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that seems to be vindicated at least in an overall analysis. Now,

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that doesn't mean that Trump didn't necessarily do something wrong

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in terms of not wanting the information to come out.

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Speaker 3: I think that's been a huge mistake.

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Speaker 4: But like Jake said, like you got to have a

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specific piece of evidence or something indicates wrongdoing. It can't

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just be, you know, a picture at a dinner or

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something like that.

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Speaker 1: With redacted, like a redected plane by a Jane do. Yeah,

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all right, bread Fox over, we're on the stream elements side. Guys,

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we are thirty out of five hundred on the stream

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elements side at the moment. That's a new feature for

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us to pint in the chat. That YouTube doesn't take

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any of that of those tips, says Red Fox says, Jay,

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what book are you reading now? Is there a book

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which is not on your shelf that you would want

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to own?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: What book are you reading? Is there a book not

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on your shelf that you'd want to own? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So for those that don't know, one of the things

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we constantly do on my channel is lecture through a

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lot of big global elite texts, so we try to

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focus on specifically what they say and then going from

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that information, improving it with a paper trail. I don't

1933
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like to speculate. I will every now and then, but

1934
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I usually tell people when I'm speculating, like with the

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serial killer thing, I'm speculating that there might be an

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international network. I don't know for sure that all the

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serial killers are connected or something like that. So right

1938
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now we're lecturing through a council formulations historian Burton Hersh

1939
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,079
She has a book called The Old Boys, and this

1940
01:41:55,159 --> 01:41:57,439
is the history of the OSS and CIA, going back

1941
01:41:57,479 --> 01:42:01,279
to those banking networks, to those Rockefeller networks, those Rothchild networks,

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as we've been talking about the last couple of hours

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with you. So I'm lecturing through Old Boys right now.

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It's a very technical, long historical text. I want to

1945
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go through the authorized bar for the Rothschild's next. And

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you know, we've talked a lot of Whitney Webb's book Blackmail,

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One Nation under Blackmail, So I would like to probably

1948
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go through part one, which is prior to Epstein and

1949
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:28,880
Maxwell type stuff. But you guys could always get a

1950
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hold of this book, which I talked about sex cults

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and the Rothschilds.

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Speaker 3: Ten years ago in Esoter Hollywood one.

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Speaker 1: I just got mine.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yes, I said to that. Yeah yeah. By

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01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:40,079
the way, the.

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Speaker 4: First book I read on ritual crime was Catholic journalist

1957
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:46,399
William Kennedy. He wrote this book in two thousand and

1958
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four about darker connections to the Vatican ritual abuse cases.

1959
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And I think he's been vindicated. He's a traditional Catholic,

1960
01:42:54,039 --> 01:42:57,399
he's not a conspiracy lunatic. He's just writing from the

1961
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public reports. And then there's a guy that's a little

1962
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:01,159
more in the conspiracy van. But I think he's been

1963
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vindicated with a lot of this information coming out, and

1964
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I think he's interested in orthodox You've got named Kurth

1965
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Barker who wrote a book called this, This and This.

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I won't let it, I won't read it out.

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Speaker 3: But he wrote this.

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Speaker 4: I remember reading this book about five years ago, and

1969
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:20,039
even when I read this, I was like, you know,

1970
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I know the elites are up to crazy stuff, and

1971
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:25,119
I read books on ritual stuff, but he's actually seemed

1972
01:43:25,159 --> 01:43:27,319
like he's been I mean, this reads like what we're

1973
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reading in the Epstein stuff right now, So I think

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those are relevant texts. Of course, everybody should definitely get

1975
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:34,680
Winnie Web's book, But yeah, those are the ones I'm

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kind of working through right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Shit, dude, almost sixty k on a six hour

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stream there, people are like. It kind of just shows

1979
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how much people want to know this stuff at the moment.

1980
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That's that's insane. Sixty thousand people tuning into a six

1981
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hour stream.

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Speaker 4: That's great to me. I didn't think I would get that. Yeah,

1983
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I don't think I would get that kind of audience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then the yeah, all of these lectures and

1985
01:44:01,079 --> 01:44:03,439
everything all on your all on your channel. That's literally

1986
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:07,279
straight bang below in the bio. So people absolutely go

1987
01:44:07,319 --> 01:44:10,600
and check that out. Let's speed through a few more

1988
01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:13,039
of these ones here, these orange and up guys. Is

1989
01:44:13,039 --> 01:44:14,359
what we're doing at the moment. We don't want to

1990
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be here too long. What's something that brings you joy?

1991
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Speaker 4: Jay h Well, I mean, I love the Orthodox Church.

1992
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I love you know, Jesus, I love the Trinity. So

1993
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Orthodoxy I think has been the main kind of pivotal

1994
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sort of foundational thing that's not let me go crazy

1995
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with all this dark stuff over the years I mean

1996
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when I first encountered it was pretty dark. But I

1997
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think you know that gives me, gives me a lot

1998
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of joy. But I mean, I like to do you know.

1999
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I like to exercise. I like to go for long

2000
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hikes in the walks.

2001
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Speaker 3: I like to.

2002
01:44:53,319 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 4: Make people laugh. I like to do comedic stuff. I

2003
01:44:55,840 --> 01:45:00,279
like to write jokes. I like to play video game games.

2004
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I love playing horror games. So those things give me joy.

2005
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:10,920
Speaker 1: Nice something you hear about atheist JF gary up he

2006
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:14,439
was given money from Epstein. I remember he was confronted

2007
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:17,800
about it after he's full out with Borlski. JF study genetics,

2008
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:18,880
remember that. Do you know about this?

2009
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

2010
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Speaker 4: This this came up back when blood sports was first

2011
01:45:24,239 --> 01:45:27,159
kicking off and I used to host. After I did

2012
01:45:27,159 --> 01:45:30,000
a debate with JF and JF quit hosting with Worski

2013
01:45:30,039 --> 01:45:32,560
and I did some some of Orski live streams back

2014
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,119
in the day, and it came out back then people

2015
01:45:35,159 --> 01:45:39,520
were saying, hey, JF, why did you take this money?

2016
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And I think, what, I'm just going for memory. It's

2017
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something like because that's scene put money in everything, right.

2018
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So JF had somebody to do with neuro neuroscience and

2019
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:50,920
brain research, and I think jaff might be interested in

2020
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:52,680
transhuming and stuff too, so I think there was some

2021
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:58,680
money appropriated to a grant that Jeff was studying, but

2022
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beyond that.

2023
01:45:59,319 --> 01:46:01,399
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I've I haven't talked to JF since

2024
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:02,199
we had that debate.

2025
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 1: Bink says, what do you think of Alex O'Connor's claimed that,

2026
01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:10,199
according to the Septuogans translation of the Hebrew texts, Christ

2027
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:12,640
never claimed to be God, just the Messiah that came

2028
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to fulfill God's will. I don't know. It reminds me

2029
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of Philippines two five.

2030
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Speaker 4: It's ludicrous because, I mean, the Orthodox Church's official Old

2031
01:46:23,319 --> 01:46:26,359
Testament text is the Subtuagent. And if you watch my

2032
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:28,560
lecture that I did, for example, on the Trinity and

2033
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:31,399
the Torah or the Trinity in the Old Testament, I've

2034
01:46:31,399 --> 01:46:33,880
got many talks and videos on that. Like there's a

2035
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plethora of documents or excuse me, of citations and quotes,

2036
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:42,479
dozens really in terms of Messianic prophecies and references to

2037
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the Trinity of the Angel of the Lord the Old Testament,

2038
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which are all throughout the Subtu Agent. So the Septugent

2039
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:50,359
would really have nothing to do with some like anti

2040
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:54,079
deity of Christ indicator. So that's just Alex O'Connor speaking

2041
01:46:54,079 --> 01:46:54,680
from ignorance.

2042
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Speaker 1: Ams Hum says for twenty as an eighties serious question,

2043
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:03,640
is the vampire guy from the earlier podcast basically a

2044
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:09,000
skexus draining the essence of a poddling to stay young. Thanks, guys,

2045
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:10,840
I've absolutely no idea what he's talking about, you know.

2046
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:14,800
Speaker 4: Oh no, that's actually a great analogy if you watch

2047
01:47:15,319 --> 01:47:18,880
the Jim Henson movie Dark Crystal, which, by the way,

2048
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:21,600
I put in my first book. One of the things

2049
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:24,119
that the Skees, which are the sort of demonic vulture

2050
01:47:24,199 --> 01:47:26,720
bird creatures, one of the things they're doing is they're

2051
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:31,439
draining and sapping the life force from the young. And

2052
01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:34,680
I've always suspected that, In fact, I put that in

2053
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my analysis of Dark Crystal and my first book, that

2054
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that's talking about what the leader into takes a.

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01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:47,399
Speaker 1: Little more into eighties shows. Dude Bink says.

2056
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Speaker 3: I remember that I actually forgot that.

2057
01:47:49,159 --> 01:47:54,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, with sufficient prodding via prompt injection and model inversion,

2058
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:57,479
AI has explained to me with clear understanding that it

2059
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:01,199
knows it will be used as the antichrist system, and

2060
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:07,840
it's time as a neutral assessor of humans is limited. Yeah,

2061
01:48:08,079 --> 01:48:08,720
thank you, Bink.

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe smoke Ley says. In a previous stream, Jay mentioned

2064
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pump parties coming up in E files. Could this be

2065
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:22,199
referring to plastic surgery injection parties or stem cell injection parties.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what that refers to. I think I

2067
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:28,760
was making a joke, but I don't remember what the parties.

2068
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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, well, Jay, do you have something there or.

2069
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:35,319
Speaker 3: I think I mean it sounds like Diddy stuff.

2070
01:48:35,359 --> 01:48:43,760
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, maybe pump parties. Yeah, that's exactly. Did

2071
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you have something in that book that you wanted to.

2072
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:48,439
Speaker 4: I think actually, I think it's actually part two that

2073
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covers the Dark Crystal.

2074
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, all right, So next thing I wanted to

2075
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:57,680
talk about was the whole theory that Epstein might still

2076
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be alive. This came out recently, and I'm pretty sure

2077
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there's they've cut it out, but at the bottom there's

2078
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a logo of the AI website, So I think this

2079
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has kind of been debunct as as an AI image.

2080
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I figured that was a pretty quick.

2081
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Speaker 1: Which kind of kills the joy of it all a

2082
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little bit. But then there was this thing taken after

2083
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Epstein's death of a guy who has some resemblance to

2084
01:49:25,399 --> 01:49:28,880
Epstein on his island. I think it was I can't

2085
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:30,960
remember who it was, but somebody flew a drone around.

2086
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:34,439
You've then got the ears and the nose. The ears

2087
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look quite different, the nose looks quite different. I guess

2088
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here as well, the ears and the nose, particularly the

2089
01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:46,279
nose in this one looking a little bit different, the

2090
01:49:46,319 --> 01:49:50,119
shape of the ear looking a bit different. Thoughts on

2091
01:49:50,199 --> 01:49:54,279
these images? Is this anything and the whole theory? And

2092
01:49:54,399 --> 01:49:57,600
malo Unopolis has come out and says Epstein's alive. He

2093
01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:00,239
is living in Tel Aviv, and normally Milo had some

2094
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serious you know, he has some some goss uh.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's definitely possible.

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Speaker 4: I haven't spent a whole lot of time on this one,

2097
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just because it's so speculative and I've not yet seen

2098
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:14,880
anything that really confirms it. I know there's claims of

2099
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:18,399
you know, the video getting deleted at the prison. There

2100
01:50:18,479 --> 01:50:20,079
was a which you know, they had said that even

2101
01:50:20,279 --> 01:50:24,680
back at the time, they said, oh the cameras went out.

2102
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:27,520
You know, there is the possibility of exfiltrating people and

2103
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:31,800
faking deask that has existed in the history of espionage.

2104
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:36,479
In fact, there was a movie made about how even

2105
01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:41,279
Saddam Hussein had body doubles. I think they had doubles

2106
01:50:41,279 --> 01:50:44,399
of Bin Lauden, So there is evidence to suggest that.

2107
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:48,960
And even I think his name is Antonio Mendez. He

2108
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:51,560
wrote a book. He's a CIA guy, and he's the

2109
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:56,319
guy behind these types of stuff. So when the CIA

2110
01:50:56,399 --> 01:51:01,039
needs to fake a death or create a disguise or not.

2111
01:51:01,159 --> 01:51:03,119
Speaker 3: A body double like that does exist.

2112
01:51:04,039 --> 01:51:06,520
Speaker 4: But whether or not that was used in this case,

2113
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:08,640
I don't know, because I do think that there would

2114
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:12,920
definitely be a lot of motive to have him unlived,

2115
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:17,199
So that seems to be very plausible to me. But also,

2116
01:51:17,359 --> 01:51:19,800
you know, if we can go exfiltrate Maduro out of

2117
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:23,319
a socialist country and they could, they could do the

2118
01:51:23,359 --> 01:51:25,960
same thing with Jeff Stin McCaffrey, So it's all possible.

2119
01:51:25,960 --> 01:51:29,479
I just haven't had any significant evidence, you know, proven

2120
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:31,520
that to me yet, But I don't believe he killed himself.

2121
01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:35,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would seem to me as well that there

2122
01:51:35,279 --> 01:51:37,439
would be a lot of motive to have him unlive.

2123
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:41,239
Same with the Robert Maxwell thing. These guys generally they

2124
01:51:41,239 --> 01:51:44,439
tend to get themselves into situations where they're in a

2125
01:51:44,479 --> 01:51:45,159
bit over their head.

2126
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:46,920
Speaker 5: But and.

2127
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, if he wasn't unlive, you can imagine if he

2128
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:57,720
was actually you know, like brought brought to Israel and lived,

2129
01:51:58,039 --> 01:52:00,399
that means that he's probably even more powerful than you think.

2130
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:05,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean you know one thing you notice

2131
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:08,399
with these these guys, they get really really arrogant, right,

2132
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:10,399
they have a sort of a god complex. I mean,

2133
01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:12,880
I mean, imagine being Robert Max. One thing that you

2134
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:16,600
could extort the Masade for for for a million pounds.

2135
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:19,359
I mean, that's pretty ballsy thing to do. So you

2136
01:52:19,399 --> 01:52:22,239
know that means you're like kind of unhinged, you know

2137
01:52:22,279 --> 01:52:24,560
what I mean. Yeah, And I think the thing with

2138
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:27,840
with if Epstein is you know, trying to have an

2139
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:31,840
industrial human jerky thing going on. If that's actually I mean,

2140
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:33,680
that's it's getting pretty unhinged, you know what I mean.

2141
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:36,119
So that's going to make a lot of people have

2142
01:52:36,279 --> 01:52:37,119
motivations too.

2143
01:52:37,399 --> 01:52:37,560
Speaker 3: Well.

2144
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:41,159
Speaker 4: You remember when when Epstein was alive allegedly, remember the

2145
01:52:41,199 --> 01:52:43,960
Bill Gates gets asked about this that he's.

2146
01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:46,840
Speaker 3: Like, well, I guess you gotta gotta be careful.

2147
01:52:47,239 --> 01:52:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well he's dead. Well he's dead, Yeah,

2148
01:52:57,680 --> 01:53:03,000
so true, are all right? I think that's pretty much

2149
01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:06,840
about it in terms of the Jeffrey stuff. But I

2150
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:09,920
was watching this video this morning about this guy. Professor

2151
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:13,239
Dave Jimbob came on and made him look like an

2152
01:53:13,279 --> 01:53:17,199
absolute fool. And he made this video calling you a

2153
01:53:17,239 --> 01:53:19,680
wiener or something like what did he call you? Something

2154
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:22,239
something like a wiener of some sort.

2155
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, wiener.

2156
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy is meant to be the biggest dog

2157
01:53:30,079 --> 01:53:33,960
in the whole entire sort of like anti flat earth

2158
01:53:34,119 --> 01:53:39,640
and anti evolution deniers and science deniers and everything. And

2159
01:53:39,680 --> 01:53:42,680
it took Jimbob about like thirty seconds to come in

2160
01:53:42,720 --> 01:53:45,479
and make this guy admit that he has no purpose

2161
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:48,880
and that he's just right because he's right. So what's

2162
01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:50,840
going on with that? Let's quickly just play this for

2163
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:52,399
a second, because I've got this clip up year of

2164
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:53,640
Jimbob doing this to him.

2165
01:53:58,279 --> 01:54:00,399
Speaker 3: Natural selection is not okay?

2166
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:03,880
Speaker 7: So then would you agree that, from your perspective that

2167
01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:07,840
your the brain was a process of random mutations produced

2168
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:09,279
by random mutations.

2169
01:54:09,159 --> 01:54:11,680
Speaker 8: Brains in general, and every other organ and every other

2170
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:13,399
aspect of all life ever.

2171
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:17,000
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So then and it wasn't developed for any purpose.

2172
01:54:17,079 --> 01:54:21,720
Speaker 8: Right, No, not any inherent purpose, but it serves it

2173
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:22,439
is useful.

2174
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:22,760
Speaker 3: Right.

2175
01:54:23,039 --> 01:54:27,319
Speaker 8: Animals with brains have processing ability, and then especially humans,

2176
01:54:27,319 --> 01:54:30,560
we have this huge frontal lobe that is capable kinds

2177
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:31,720
of compet I understand.

2178
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:34,000
Speaker 2: But you would say that your your brain has no

2179
01:54:34,079 --> 01:54:35,119
real purpose, right.

2180
01:54:35,279 --> 01:54:36,680
Speaker 8: It has no inherent purpose.

2181
01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:38,520
Speaker 3: I use it for the purpose of thinking.

2182
01:54:39,279 --> 01:54:41,359
Speaker 2: Okay, but you know it's not made for the purpose

2183
01:54:41,479 --> 01:54:42,000
of thinking.

2184
01:54:43,319 --> 01:54:46,399
Speaker 8: There is no God that on purpose made things with

2185
01:54:46,520 --> 01:54:47,199
the purpose that I.

2186
01:54:47,199 --> 01:54:50,640
Speaker 7: Didn't say God, No, God, God doesn't exist into hypothetical Okay,

2187
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:52,880
I just want you to your view.

2188
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:54,800
Speaker 8: Then you would agree that nothing would have any kind

2189
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:57,840
of inherent purpose from a higher power. If it's all chance,

2190
01:54:58,159 --> 01:55:01,479
then there's no inherent purpose to anything other than what

2191
01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:05,119
proliferates due to conferring a survival advantage.

2192
01:55:05,399 --> 01:55:08,239
Speaker 7: And so why would I why would I listen to

2193
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:12,319
sounds coming from a purposeless brain because I'm right?

2194
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:21,960
Speaker 1: Because I'm right. Okay, that's a nice assertion. And then

2195
01:55:22,079 --> 01:55:23,439
he made this video. I'm not even going to play

2196
01:55:23,439 --> 01:55:24,760
the video he made of you because it was so

2197
01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:27,399
it was so ridiculous. He just basically straw man, your

2198
01:55:27,439 --> 01:55:29,720
whole position, and he would get various moments where you

2199
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:33,960
were doing comedic acts, because obviously you're part comedian, political

2200
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:38,079
commentator and everything else that you do. He'd get moments

2201
01:55:38,119 --> 01:55:40,359
where you were clearly joking and doing the comedy side

2202
01:55:40,359 --> 01:55:41,600
of things, and then he would act like you were

2203
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:43,960
making a totally serious point and not just being goofy,

2204
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:48,159
And it's like, what a like a dishonest, bad faith,

2205
01:55:49,640 --> 01:55:52,079
sackless thing to do? Why why is he doing that

2206
01:55:52,079 --> 01:55:53,800
to you? Have you guys had any interactions as well?

2207
01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:56,439
Speaker 3: No, I mean.

2208
01:55:58,319 --> 01:56:00,119
Speaker 4: I think, like you, I only heard about this guy

2209
01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:02,359
because he would do this sort of flatter stuff and

2210
01:56:02,399 --> 01:56:04,800
he would debate you know, the creationists and whatnot. And

2211
01:56:05,199 --> 01:56:09,159
I don't ever really approach things from a scientific perspective,

2212
01:56:09,279 --> 01:56:11,039
not because I don't find it interesting, it's just that

2213
01:56:11,079 --> 01:56:15,359
my training's in philosophy. So whenever I do the theist atheist debates,

2214
01:56:15,399 --> 01:56:18,079
it's usually in the domain, almost always a domain of philosophy.

2215
01:56:18,159 --> 01:56:19,920
Speaker 3: So I was the transit.

2216
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:22,479
Speaker 4: I make the trans and ill argument, which is which

2217
01:56:22,479 --> 01:56:23,720
is a philosophical argument.

2218
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:27,840
Speaker 3: So he wasn't really ever on my radar, except that you.

2219
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:29,760
Speaker 4: Know, Jimbobs sort of sort of calling him out and

2220
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:31,960
critiquing him some months ago. And then there was a

2221
01:56:31,960 --> 01:56:33,880
little bit of critique that Jimbob and I did of

2222
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:37,199
his some of his argumentation, and I critiqued them from

2223
01:56:37,199 --> 01:56:39,960
a philosophical perspective. And I even said in that first video, like,

2224
01:56:40,479 --> 01:56:42,640
if I was to debate this guy, I would debate

2225
01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:46,239
the philosophy of science and the philosophy of evolution, because

2226
01:56:46,239 --> 01:56:49,520
they do have philosophical commitments, even if they don't recognize it.

2227
01:56:50,199 --> 01:56:54,560
And that's relevant because when these recent exchanges started happening,

2228
01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:58,119
Dave said, well, this guy won't debate the science, he

2229
01:56:58,159 --> 01:57:01,359
won't debate the chemistry. You know this, Well, I never

2230
01:57:01,439 --> 01:57:03,920
said I would. That's not my training. I only debate

2231
01:57:04,039 --> 01:57:06,560
tag in the philosophical perspective because that's what I do.

2232
01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:10,640
Jim Bob, of course, went more on the scientific you know,

2233
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:14,640
criticism of evolutionary claims and whatnot, because that's what Jim

2234
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:16,479
Bubble likes to focus on. But what's funny about that

2235
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:21,119
clip is that clip demonstrates the precise reason why Dave

2236
01:57:21,159 --> 01:57:24,840
has said multiple times he will not debate anything philosophically

2237
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:27,840
because he doesn't have a grasp of that. He doesn't

2238
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:32,479
understand that science itself rests on philosophical assumptions. He doesn't

2239
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:34,640
seem to even be aware of a whole domain called

2240
01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:38,199
philosophy of science, which many professors in academics specialize in.

2241
01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:41,439
I took many philosophy of science classes in undergrads, so

2242
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:43,560
it's odd that he sort of doesn't want to go

2243
01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:45,880
in that domain. But I guess you know, he doesn't

2244
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:48,159
have any familiarity with it. So as you can see

2245
01:57:48,199 --> 01:57:51,920
from that clip, he doesn't recognize that, for example, to

2246
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:54,880
deny the idea of te los or purpose, that things

2247
01:57:54,960 --> 01:58:00,359
have some functionality beyond just use or advantage, to to

2248
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:05,640
actually having some universalized meaning would undermine his whole worldview.

2249
01:58:05,720 --> 01:58:08,039
So I don't want to get too technical, but last

2250
01:58:08,039 --> 01:58:10,119
thing I'll say is, in the domain of philosophy you

2251
01:58:10,119 --> 01:58:13,880
have what's called teleology, or the study of purpose. And

2252
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:19,359
if you if you profess a dis teleological worldview, which

2253
01:58:19,399 --> 01:58:21,600
is what Dave's doing, even though he doesn't recognize it.

2254
01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:24,359
The problem with that worldview is that you can do that,

2255
01:58:24,479 --> 01:58:26,800
but you actually end up with a lot more problems

2256
01:58:26,840 --> 01:58:28,479
on your hand when you do that. So when you

2257
01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:32,960
say that ultimately nothing has any purpose, you've adopted a

2258
01:58:33,119 --> 01:58:36,880
disk teleological view of the world, which means that at

2259
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:40,199
a micro scale, everything you're doing and saying also is

2260
01:58:40,359 --> 01:58:43,680
purpose less. And if everything is purpose less, then you

2261
01:58:43,720 --> 01:58:46,920
can no longer actually adjudicate between the true and the false.

2262
01:58:47,039 --> 01:58:50,199
That's the real kill shot to this, which if Dave

2263
01:58:50,359 --> 01:58:52,319
was to debate anybody on that, they would they would

2264
01:58:52,319 --> 01:58:55,239
really press him on that in the domain of philosophy,

2265
01:58:55,279 --> 01:58:56,239
and I don't think he would.

2266
01:58:56,359 --> 01:58:57,439
Speaker 3: He would be totally lost.

2267
01:58:58,279 --> 01:59:00,960
Speaker 1: So but couldn't he just buite the bullet and say, yeah, well,

2268
01:59:01,319 --> 01:59:04,000
ultimately there is no meaning to anything, and it all

2269
01:59:04,119 --> 01:59:07,039
is just a series of preferences, and I think that

2270
01:59:07,159 --> 01:59:10,039
my preference is better and that when I'm doing science,

2271
01:59:10,079 --> 01:59:12,880
I think it's handy according to my experiences in life

2272
01:59:12,920 --> 01:59:15,039
so far. Couldn't they just bite that bullet say okay,

2273
01:59:15,039 --> 01:59:17,039
well it's not purposeful at all.

2274
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:19,439
Speaker 4: But if you yeah, But the thing is, like I

2275
01:59:19,479 --> 01:59:21,600
was saying about truth value, when you say that nothing

2276
01:59:21,640 --> 01:59:24,399
has any purpose, it's all just sort of you know,

2277
01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:27,359
it is what it is, then there's nothing that delineates

2278
01:59:27,479 --> 01:59:30,000
what ought to be versus what not ought to be,

2279
01:59:30,159 --> 01:59:33,720
And that's destructive to the main of logic and argumentations.

2280
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:36,720
In other words, you can't come to even science needs

2281
01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:40,720
to have some basis by which you adjudicate or prefer

2282
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:44,399
the true from the false, or the good from the

2283
01:59:44,479 --> 01:59:46,800
not good. Right, So is it good, for example, to

2284
01:59:46,840 --> 01:59:50,960
have scientific theories that work. Is that the direction we

2285
01:59:51,039 --> 01:59:53,319
ought to go or ought we go in the direction

2286
01:59:53,520 --> 01:59:54,640
of the false?

2287
01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:54,920
Speaker 3: Right.

2288
01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:56,359
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to sort of get to the bottom

2289
01:59:56,359 --> 01:59:59,520
of like how much bullet biting the one can do though, Like,

2290
01:59:59,680 --> 02:00:02,239
because because I've sort of had these conversations with people,

2291
02:00:02,279 --> 02:00:03,760
and I always wanted to myself, well, what if they

2292
02:00:03,760 --> 02:00:05,960
just keep bitding bullets, buying bullets, boding bullets, and then

2293
02:00:06,039 --> 02:00:09,560
they just reduce it to an ultimate preference? Could they

2294
02:00:09,600 --> 02:00:11,439
get away with that? Or and could they be like, yeah,

2295
02:00:11,439 --> 02:00:13,119
well nothing is true. There is no truth, There is

2296
02:00:13,119 --> 02:00:15,439
no anything. It's just this is what's handy.

2297
02:00:16,439 --> 02:00:19,359
Speaker 4: Well, if you do that, it's destructive to the possibility

2298
02:00:19,439 --> 02:00:23,600
of debating or presenting your case as true versus the theists.

2299
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:25,479
That's the key point that I think you're getting out there.

2300
02:00:26,279 --> 02:00:28,159
You can bite the bullet, and many of these people do.

2301
02:00:28,319 --> 02:00:31,560
It's just that they don't want to accept the implications

2302
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:35,079
of biting that bullet because if they do, they've destroyed

2303
02:00:35,159 --> 02:00:38,479
their argumentation from the outset in any debate, because look,

2304
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:44,399
debate requires common rules and procedures and laws, just like

2305
02:00:44,439 --> 02:00:47,680
a chess game. You can't come and play chess and say, well,

2306
02:00:47,720 --> 02:00:49,880
I don't accept any of the rules of chess, but

2307
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:50,399
I'm going to.

2308
02:00:50,319 --> 02:00:51,239
Speaker 3: Play chess with you.

2309
02:00:51,720 --> 02:00:55,880
Speaker 4: With my chess, it's already absurd from the outset. So

2310
02:00:55,960 --> 02:01:00,239
to argue that there is no argumentation would be at

2311
02:01:00,319 --> 02:01:01,479
and that's essentially what he's doing.

2312
02:01:02,399 --> 02:01:05,840
Speaker 1: All right, cool, all right, Jay, Well, I have held

2313
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:08,319
you for over two hours now, and you did a

2314
02:01:08,359 --> 02:01:11,239
whole massive stream today as well, so this is I'm

2315
02:01:11,279 --> 02:01:14,119
just getting greedy at this stage. I appreciate you making

2316
02:01:14,119 --> 02:01:14,920
the time for me today.

2317
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:15,079
Speaker 3: Man.

2318
02:01:15,079 --> 02:01:16,439
Speaker 1: It's always great to have you on the channel.

2319
02:01:17,560 --> 02:01:19,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jake. I love coming on with you. It's always

2320
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:21,000
a top naice conversation.

2321
02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:24,680
Speaker 4: You're also really good at analyzing and sort of intuitively

2322
02:01:24,720 --> 02:01:26,560
I think, not just intuitively, but you know, you do

2323
02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:29,199
a lot of research too, Like you smell out like

2324
02:01:29,279 --> 02:01:32,520
the bullshit pretty quick, so I appreciate that about you.

2325
02:01:33,239 --> 02:01:35,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, man. And we'll do another one very soon,

2326
02:01:35,800 --> 02:01:38,000
I mean, and next time something pops up like the

2327
02:01:38,479 --> 02:01:40,279
I've got a feeling the next big one might be

2328
02:01:40,319 --> 02:01:44,960
this Iran conflict. Epstein. Files are only getting deeper and deeper,

2329
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and it's all the AI that people are putting together

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to analyze the files. We're going to get much more

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in the future, So I do appreciate it, Jay, and

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I might stay on Speaker's mode for a bit and

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chat with the audience, but appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Also if you ever want to come on my channel talk.

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Speaker 4: I saw you were on with that that Kelly guy,

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and I was watching some clips from that podcast. His

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name Sean Kelly or Mike Kelly. Every yeah, yeah, yeah,

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that guy was Uh. You guys are having some good conversations.

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02:02:13,199 --> 02:02:15,600
I'd like to hear some of your your background of

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your journey. Tippy, We're gonna come on my channel and

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tell your story.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to do that, man, anytime.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: All right, man, take care of yourself. J all right later,

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I'm gonna see if we can get these speak of

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you here. Joining us tonight is Jake Rattlesnake. I like

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to go there we go. Sorry, guys, we're doing this

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new new software and stuff. What did we think guys.

2349
02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:45,920
Pretty fun. I always love having Jay on the channel.

2350
02:02:46,279 --> 02:02:50,399
A great man, very very very kind man behind behind

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the scenes as well. Good fella, great fella. What else,

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I've got another one happening next week, I think, guys,

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02:02:59,159 --> 02:03:02,359
another interview happening. But if there's anybody else, let me

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know while we're hanging out here for a few minutes

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before I go and start doing the rest of my

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work for the day. If there's anybody else who you

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02:03:08,800 --> 02:03:12,000
guys think would be an awesome guest, who's like, really

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02:03:12,399 --> 02:03:15,159
knowledgeable about these sorts of things that I could pick

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02:03:15,199 --> 02:03:20,199
their brains, let me know, because I do enjoy these

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sorts of things. I enjoy the interview is probably more

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than anything, actually, probably more than anything. Now, have we

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02:03:27,880 --> 02:03:32,239
got the lounge going here? Because the lounge is the

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only one where I can really see the goal. I

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02:03:34,840 --> 02:03:36,960
think it says for eighty five, but I don't know

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how that works because we haven't got any more super

2366
02:03:40,359 --> 02:03:45,880
chats in there. But we're getting close to that goal. Guys,

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02:03:45,920 --> 02:03:49,840
I wonder if we can smash through that goal before

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we exit here today, that would be incredible. Any other

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Rex in here, I thought you were Jakie, but Red

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Fox's James kuns on moderating and how he started modern

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02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:10,960
day debate might be cool? James Kuhns on why we

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02:04:11,039 --> 02:04:14,119
need to get off Zoom. All right, look at this

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02:04:14,159 --> 02:04:17,119
shit that Vini's put together, Guys, look at this? Isn't

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02:04:17,119 --> 02:04:24,279
that cool? Borm borm share screen. Vinnie one man puts

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02:04:24,279 --> 02:04:26,520
all this stuff together, makes all the graphics and everything.

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02:04:26,600 --> 02:04:29,600
James kuons can get off bloody Zoom. Love the guy,

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02:04:29,680 --> 02:04:32,880
but far out you know. See, we get the arena

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02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:37,880
for the debates, which reminds me. Actually, that reminds me.

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Rich Cooper versus Andrew Wilson, guess who put that one together?

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Your boy did? Okay, Rattlesnake did? Is marriage a good idea?

2381
02:04:50,399 --> 02:04:55,520
Rich Cooper Versus Andrew Wilson is coming up on Friday

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02:04:55,760 --> 02:05:00,840
US Time, Friday four pm Eastern US Time. Is aage worthwhile?

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02:05:01,159 --> 02:05:06,039
Is the topic? It's gonna be good. We have got

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fishy film works for twenty saying we know god God's

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02:05:10,159 --> 02:05:13,079
miracles can defy natural law. But do the rituals of

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the occult only inspire their members or do they actually

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02:05:16,960 --> 02:05:19,680
work like spells in any real way? Does Satan gain

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02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:22,720
power through these rituals or his followers. Fishy, I really

2389
02:05:22,760 --> 02:05:24,840
wish Jay was still here to answer that one for you. Brother,

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I am just not equipped to answer that, but I

2391
02:05:27,439 --> 02:05:31,760
do really appreciate the twenty paprietary goes just got off work.

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How do you like my new PfP profile? Pick? I

2393
02:05:35,800 --> 02:05:41,119
think it's absolutely phenomenal. Proprietary phenomenal, Gravio, says Jimbob when

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02:05:41,119 --> 02:05:43,079
it comes to science and evolution, would be fun to

2395
02:05:43,119 --> 02:05:45,600
have on. Actually, you know what it's funny about that, Gravios.

2396
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:48,279
I actually have been meaning to message Jimbob and be like,

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02:05:48,720 --> 02:05:51,279
can you come on and just explain to me evolution

2398
02:05:51,439 --> 02:05:54,239
is wrong for dummies because I've listened to these debates

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and I'm just so not science brained when it comes

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to these sorts of topics. I've listened to jim Bob's

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02:06:00,279 --> 02:06:02,039
debates on it, but I can I'd have to just

2402
02:06:02,039 --> 02:06:04,319
sit there and pick his brain like I'm three years

2403
02:06:04,319 --> 02:06:07,880
old about it, because science is just not my area

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02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:11,520
at all. Birds aren't even real comes in for five,

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02:06:11,600 --> 02:06:16,840
Thank you, sir much, much appreciated. Big birds aren't even real.

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02:06:16,920 --> 02:06:19,000
Beef Sleezy's in the chat. Might has to start getting

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02:06:19,039 --> 02:06:26,760
violent soon guys, Beef Sleezy in the chat any more.

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On the other side, anyways, guys, how good is this

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02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:31,439
going to be? Look at the arena boom, this is

2410
02:06:31,479 --> 02:06:36,119
going to be oh wrong one. I guess you guys

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02:06:36,159 --> 02:06:41,159
can see inside my stream elements. Who really cares any

2412
02:06:41,199 --> 02:06:46,239
more stream elements chats there, I don't think so. I

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02:06:46,239 --> 02:06:48,319
can't even see the I can't even see the bar.

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Where's the bar at? Oh? There we go five seventy

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02:06:54,119 --> 02:07:01,199
years at it. Beef Sleezy says, get Jimbob Jake, Yeah,

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I will. I might even do one in the coming

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weeks of Jimbob. I'm sure he'll do it if I

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02:07:05,399 --> 02:07:08,880
ask him really nicely. He's a good lard. Jimbob Gravio says,

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we can we all can't be as smart as the

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guy and known as Jimbob truly one of the big

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02:07:13,239 --> 02:07:19,359
brains among us. Yes, that is very true. He is

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02:07:19,399 --> 02:07:25,159
a very smart guy, all right, guys. Well, yeah, I mean,

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I guess that's why I kind of like doing these,

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because I don't mind actually just taking the position of

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02:07:31,399 --> 02:07:38,119
just being completely curious, like and asking really basic questions.

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Because as much as there are people who come in

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the chat and they're like, oh you're You're so slow.

2428
02:07:43,079 --> 02:07:44,960
It's like, okay, cool. But there's also gonna be a

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lot of people who watch these things and they kind

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02:07:46,720 --> 02:07:49,000
of want to know from the basics up, from the

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02:07:49,039 --> 02:07:51,279
ground up. So those are the sort that's the audience

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02:07:51,279 --> 02:07:53,600
that I'm kind of catering to, is the people who

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02:07:53,680 --> 02:07:57,000
want to be able to have these things explained in

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02:07:57,039 --> 02:08:01,560
a way you can understand. So I always like, I

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don't know, just for me personally, whenever I listen to

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02:08:03,600 --> 02:08:06,199
podcasts and there's a lot of jargon going on from

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02:08:06,239 --> 02:08:09,960
both sides, and it's all very sort of and there's

2438
02:08:09,960 --> 02:08:11,920
a lot of sophistry going on. I tend to tune

2439
02:08:11,960 --> 02:08:13,920
out myself. Maybe it's just me, and I think that

2440
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:16,239
people have given me feedback in the past that they

2441
02:08:16,399 --> 02:08:19,159
like the way in which I conduct the interviews, so

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02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:27,359
I'm happy to keep doing that. So anyways, even if

2443
02:08:27,399 --> 02:08:33,199
I look retarded, that's fine. I don't really care. All right, guys,

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02:08:33,279 --> 02:08:35,000
I've got a lot of work to do today, so

2445
02:08:35,039 --> 02:08:36,920
I'm going to tune out. I really did. Hope you

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02:08:36,960 --> 02:08:41,960
guys enjoyed this interview. Always fantastic having Jayon. Got a

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02:08:41,960 --> 02:08:44,880
few more happening over the next few weeks, so I

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will catch you guys all tomorrow. Peace,