WEBVTT 1 00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:53.519 Thet don't understand, Dott. 2 00:02:56.400 --> 00:03:04.759 Welcome to the Squash on Radio. All right, everybody, Welcome 3 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:08.560 to Squashing on Radio. I'm your host Engelman. Wah. I 4 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:11.400 want to introduce you to Larry Basson, Larry the Animal guy, 5 00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:14.879 all the way from the state of Indiana, and we 6 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:18.080 have Larry bassm live with us right now. Larry, I 7 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:20.919 was having trouble with my audio. Do you hear me 8 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:21.439 right now? 9 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:23.520 Yeah, Harry, perfectly. 10 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:25.280 Thank you great. 11 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:28.879 That is awesome because it let me reconnect. I don't 12 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:31.599 know what block talk radio has been giving me a 13 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:34.360 lot of trouble lately. And so I can hang up 14 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:35.919 from my phone because I had my phone on and 15 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:37.879 I'm listening through my computer now at the same time. 16 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:40.120 So well, we did. 17 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:43.680 We had Larry Batson's Wild World. We did produced over 18 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:47.719 one hundred and sixty shows of blog talk radio and. 19 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:48.560 Everyone was nine. 20 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:54.680 Wow. Yeah, I've actually been real, you know, actually introduced 21 00:03:54.719 --> 00:04:00.800 to another radio platform platform which I'm actually sharing, actually considering, 22 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:04.919 and it's a much larger platform and it reaches a 23 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:08.319 lot of people. So I mean, it's just so much 24 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:10.840 to deal with right now. But you know, I've block 25 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:12.800 talks have been good to me, but lately has been 26 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:14.759 acting up. I don't know what the issue is. 27 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:19.120 So well, we I have to God blessed Blockdog Radio 28 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:20.439 because we, like I said, we did a lot of 29 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:24.040 shows and I think over the all the shows that 30 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:26.680 we did, we had close to eighty thousand downloads. So 31 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:31.120 it's it does fine. I mean, but it is an adventure. 32 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:32.959 Wow. 33 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:35.160 Yeah, that's awesome. Though, that's awesome. 34 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:38.000 I mean what I got on to having on my 35 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:43.720 show is classic rock stars. Oh yeah, I had on 36 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:46.279 to name a few out of Al Jardine on from 37 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:48.879 the Beach Boys, Dave Davies from the Kings, that's gonna 38 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:56.839 really age me, Bobby Callswell from Captain Beyond, and so 39 00:04:56.959 --> 00:04:59.399 let's Gary Lewis from Gary Lewis and to Playboys, Jerry 40 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:03.199 Lewis Is. We had quite a few rock stars on it. 41 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:05.839 It was cool and they were I'll tell you what 42 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:08.160 they're tell you the truth. They're very easy to talk 43 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:10.720 into coming on the show, so it was it was 44 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:12.480 very cool and they're and they're as you know, they're 45 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:15.199 still available for that load. So anyone wants to listen. 46 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:20.360 Okay, and and you're oh, I'm sorry, go ahead. 47 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:24.720 Plus we had the legendary interview when and it's the 48 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:28.160 only time it's ever happened. We had on John Green 49 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:30.079 and Bob Gimblin on the same show. 50 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:31.879 Oh wow. 51 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:38.399 Yeah, there was actually people that transcribed that show and 52 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:40.959 posted it on the internet. So yeah, that was that 53 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:41.879 was very cool. 54 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.360 Yeah, I know, this is one of the things that 55 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:49.759 I do want to get to tonight. You know, I 56 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:51.720 want to I do want to talk about the Roger 57 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:56.680 Roger Patterson footage eventually. You know, that's one of the 58 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:00.680 one of your presentations. Uh, I've gotten the watch off 59 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:06.759 Bill Co Productions Dark Bill Lancaster's YouTube channel. I watched 60 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:11.120 your presentation at the Sasquatch Watch of Virginia's Virginia Bigfoot 61 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:15.800 Conference and you know, that was awesome and thank you. 62 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:19.800 I loved your presentation. Yeah, and you're you're awesome with 63 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:22.000 the crowd. I got to give you that, You're real 64 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:24.399 good with the crowd. So you're definitely a people's first all. 65 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:27.839 I've had a lot of practice. I've been doing wildlife 66 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:31.920 lectures and schools and in front of a lot of 67 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:36.319 different audiences for forty years, so I've had a lot 68 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:38.800 of practice. In fact, we used to we did a 69 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:42.399 lot of work with mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, Jim Fowler, 70 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:45.319 and that gave us the opportunity to take cannibals on 71 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:52.240 shows like Johnny Carson, Today's Show, Oprah Winfrey, MERV Griff, 72 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:56.759 and Mike Douglas, which really ages me. So I had 73 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:57.560 a lot of practice. 74 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:02.480 So, well, let me ask you, you'd being involved with 75 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:06.120 wildlife research? Got what got you involved with that? 76 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:09.480 With wildlife? 77 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:10.680 Yeah? 78 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:14.040 In general, Well, I've always won. As a child, I 79 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:16.600 was always interested in animals. But I think what really 80 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:19.560 took me over the edge was I was very fortunate 81 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:23.680 as a child because every summer our parents would go 82 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:26.560 to Rocky Mountain National Park in Colorado as this park, 83 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:30.040 and we'd go to those ranger talks, and I think 84 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:33.199 this is what really inspired me to do lectures that 85 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:35.439 I've been doing, like I said mentioned earlier, for four years. 86 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:38.680 We did We attended one where there was a ranger 87 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:42.480 there who had been hiking in a very remote area 88 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.360 of Rocky mount In National Park called the Never Summer Range, 89 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:48.800 and he took thousands of slides and he did a 90 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:51.920 presentation for a full house and you could hear a 91 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:55.040 pin drop during that whole lecture that he gave. And 92 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:57.160 what was really cool about the whole deal is there 93 00:07:57.240 --> 00:07:59.480 was two mountainlin cubs or two or three mountain line 94 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:01.639 cubs that were on the roof of this visitor center 95 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:04.079 and you cant hear him running across the top of 96 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:07.959 the roof during the lecture. So that was it was. 97 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:10.720 It was beyond cool, and I think I truly believe 98 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:12.279 that's what inspired me to do what I do. 99 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:18.360 Now. Now, you're also involved with Bigfoot. Now, I'm gonna 100 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:20.240 be honest, I don't know how involved you are, but 101 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:22.920 I know you have a lot of knowledgeable Bigfoot. Now 102 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:24.800 where did Bigfoot come into play here? 103 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:30.639 Well, I've been involved with the Sasquatch and Bigfoot legend 104 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:35.720 for close to fifty years, and I'd always been interested 105 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:37.440 in and always did a lot of research about it, 106 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:39.879 read lots of books. In fact, I can still remember 107 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:44.679 buying Peter Burnsburg book when it first came out. I 108 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:47.600 saw him do an interview on Mike Douglass I had 109 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:51.399 to be guys six seventy six seventy five something like that, 110 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:54.960 and I always and I read that book cover to cover, 111 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:57.759 and I always had a fascination with it well. When 112 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:00.000 I started doing the wildlife thing and working, like I said, 113 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:05.200 with Wild Kingdom, Jim Fowler, who did not have any animals, 114 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:07.440 would ask us to come different parts of the country 115 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:10.840 to do lectures with him and bring our animals. And 116 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:16.519 one of those lectures occurred in Calloway Gardens in Columbus, Georgia, 117 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:19.799 and we were having breakfast, and he had just gotten 118 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:24.320 back from Russia and they were doing a documentary for 119 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:27.799 a show called Spirit of Adventure on the Russian brown Bears. 120 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:30.960 And when he got over there, he said, over breakfast, 121 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.159 he said, all the guides wanted to talk about the 122 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:36.240 Russian guide is Bigfoot because they had seen something in 123 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:38.840 those mountains that was very similar to what's been reported 124 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:44.559 in of course, in northern California, Washington, Oregon, throughout Canada, Alaska. 125 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:47.679 So that, you know, I thought, wow, that's pretty cool. 126 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:51.320 It got me inspired about it again. So it wasn't 127 00:09:51.399 --> 00:09:54.960 shortly after that I was I've been doing a show 128 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:57.960 in Cleveland called the American Canadian Sport Traveling Outdoor Show. 129 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:00.279 I was there MBSC for their big stage show. Oh 130 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:04.759 and did wildlife lectures and so forth there, and they 131 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:07.279 asked me one year They says, we'd really like to 132 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:09.480 do something different this year. Do you have any ideas? 133 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:13.679 And I said, yeah, I do. I said, why don't 134 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:19.039 we do a display on bigfoot sasquatch. I said, I'll 135 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:20.799 put it all together. And they said that sounds like 136 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:22.879 a fantastic idea, and they had a pretty good budget, 137 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:26.600 so I'm putting this. In fact, I even build an 138 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:29.919 eight foot sasquatch out of doc foam, carved out a 139 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:35.440 doc foam in paper mache, and so they had a budget. 140 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:37.600 So I started wanting more, you know, I wanted this 141 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:40.679 stuff for this display. So I called Willow Creek, California, 142 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:45.120 to Hodgson's Variety Store, which I was aware of, and 143 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:47.519 talked to Al Hodgson and I told him, I said, well, 144 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:50.159 I was had in mine and asked if he had 145 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:55.039 any bigfoot souvenirs like cups, maps, whatever, and he did, 146 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:56.559 and he said I do more and happy to send 147 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:58.960 them to me. He also gave me the number for 148 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:01.360 the Chamber of Commerce Willow Creeky said I'm sure that 149 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:04.320 they'd send you all the brochures you want because this 150 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:08.559 is a big show. And so I asked him, I said, 151 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:12.559 do you know anyone that's ever you know, seen a bigfoot? 152 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:15.159 And he said, well, who you need to talk to? 153 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:15.440 Where? 154 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:17.559 It was a couple of guys that were here not 155 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:20.039 long ago. And if you say, he said, if you 156 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:23.080 hang on, I'll give you their numbers. Well, those two 157 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:25.759 guys that he was talking about was John Green and 158 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:26.600 Bob Timas. 159 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:27.960 Yes. 160 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:35.080 Yeah, I called him up and in our conversation I 161 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:37.720 persuaded him to come to Cleveland, Ohio for that show, 162 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:40.639 and he came over for three days and lectured. We 163 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:44.360 really lectured together, and what a nice guy he was, 164 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:48.159 you know, it was truly it was an inspiration. Well, 165 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:51.320 he said, who I need to talk to was Bob Titmas. 166 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:55.240 So I called him up and uh, he wasn't very 167 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:58.360 forthcoming at first. It was the latter part of his life. 168 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:01.799 He was was very early. He wasn't doing very well. 169 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:06.159 And I talked to Bob and he finally just opened 170 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:08.559 up to me. He started talking. But I asked him, 171 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:10.879 I said, I'm flat athlete. Have you ever seen a bigfoot? 172 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:14.919 And he said yeah, he said I have. I said 173 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:17.120 I've seen them twice. I said, well, tell me more 174 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:20.279 about it. He said, Well, off the coast of Alaska 175 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:22.240 in nineteen forty one when I was in the navy. 176 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:25.600 He said it was almost dark and said, he said, 177 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:28.519 I walked up on deck. All the rest of the 178 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:32.240 sailors were down in the ship, playing cards, eating whatever, 179 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:38.159 and he observed a bipedal animal walking along edge of 180 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:41.639 the beach or the shore, i should say, and he 181 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:44.440 watched it walk and up into the bush. He didn't 182 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:48.159 tell anybody about it, but he had decided after that point, 183 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:49.639 and when he got out of the navy, he was 184 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:52.759 going to go in pursuit of this thing. And in 185 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:55.960 his own words, he said, I have killed And he 186 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:59.240 was a taxidermist and mounted just every animal native to 187 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:02.480 that part of the world except one of those. And 188 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:05.559 the second time that he had seen them in his research, 189 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:07.480 as in nineteen sixty three, up in kid of matt 190 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:10.240 British Columbia, he basically watched three of them climb a 191 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:13.759 rock wall that have taken an experienced rock climber all 192 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:15.240 day to do. They did in a matter of about 193 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:19.720 thirty minutes. And I have to say, Daniel, that after 194 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:22.440 I hung up the phone with him, it all changed 195 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:24.919 because I was going to take this exhibit. I was 196 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:26.960 going to have some fun with it, you know, because 197 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.960 I wasn't certain that these things existed, But after my 198 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:35.320 conversation with Bob, I was pretty well convinced that we 199 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:36.240 had something here. 200 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:40.159 Wow. 201 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:41.639 Yeah, you know. 202 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:45.679 And Bob Titmas was you were mentioned in a Patterson film. 203 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:50.080 He's the one, yeah, that steered Roger in that direction 204 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:55.759 of Bluff Creek, California. And luckily Roger had a friend 205 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:59.320 and Bob Gimlin, that was willing to take off work 206 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:03.639 and basically provided the horses and the transportation for them 207 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:05.559 to get down there and do that. 208 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:10.360 Now, the majority of us, yeah, I was gonna mention 209 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:12.720 real quick. I know a majority of us are familiar 210 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:16.679 with just the basic you know, the footage and just 211 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.240 a brief story that was told there. Now you you 212 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:25.679 had learned of some information that was that I don't 213 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:28.320 think I've heard before till I heard the discussion of 214 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:30.399 what you had brought up in your presentation at the 215 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:35.720 Sasquatch Watch conference about something that you guys found over there. 216 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:42.200 Well, Bob Titmas he had been in that area earlier. 217 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:45.600 And for the folks that aren't familiar with that part 218 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:49.240 of the country, that's rainforest and as he put it. 219 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:51.000 If you get back in there and it gets dark, 220 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:53.279 he says, you don't leave because you can wander around 221 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:54.720 there and be lost for the rest of your life. 222 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:57.080 They'll never find you. They've lost airplanes and that in 223 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:01.679 that territory never found him. So that's what happened. He 224 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:05.399 got so involved in looking for hair samples and footprints 225 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:08.679 and all that that he realized it gets almost dark, 226 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:10.879 and well it would get cold there at night. So 227 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:14.080 what he basically had to do was dig a pit 228 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:16.159 in the ground for him to lay in at night, 229 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:19.480 cover himself up with leaves and branches to protect him 230 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:23.039 against the weather. But the only thing exposed was his face, 231 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:26.879 and that's where he slept well about I don't know 232 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:28.559 one or two o'clock in the morning, he could hear 233 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:30.879 something coming through the through the forest, and at first 234 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:33.840 he thought it was elk, and he thought, if it's elk, 235 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:36.519 I mean their hoods are like razor blades. He says, 236 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:38.919 they'll kill me. They'll stop, they'll stop me to death, 237 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:43.679 not even realizing it. But then he soon decided no, 238 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:46.799 it was two legged, and all of a sudden it 239 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:49.320 stopped and he could hear like it was smelling the air, 240 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:53.360 and in his words, he says, it could smell me, 241 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:56.960 but he couldn't decide where I was. So then it 242 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:00.399 basically just started screaming and tore the woods. The part 243 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:03.039 walked through the woods all night long, back and forth, 244 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:07.519 back and forth, breaking tree limbs, throwing rocks, and the 245 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:09.919 next morning when he got up, he said, hilarry, He said, 246 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:12.120 it just looked like a bulldozer been through those woods. 247 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:18.120 But he found footprints. Well after the Gimlin Patterson film 248 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:20.080 had been shot, he went down to Bluff Creek and 249 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:23.600 he first didn't find those prints because Bob had gone 250 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:27.320 the night of the filming. It started to rain. He said, 251 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:29.440 those prints need to be covered up to protect him 252 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:32.159 because there was going to be tracking dogs coming in 253 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:37.519 the next day. And so Bob he had trouble finding 254 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:39.799 those prints. But when he finally figured out what they'd 255 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:42.679 done covered him with the tree bark, he got onto it. 256 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:46.559 He looked at these prints and he realized it was 257 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:48.759 the same print that he had seen two or three 258 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:50.759 years earlier, that when he was laying in that pit 259 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:53.159 all night and that thing was screaming at him back 260 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:56.480 and forth and running through the woods all night. So 261 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:01.480 that was pretty sobering when he thought it was the 262 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:03.799 same animal. And Bob Gimblin had told me that they 263 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:07.599 had seen three different sets of prints in that area, 264 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:11.000 him and Roger had, so there's basically three different animals 265 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:13.279 that they had seen. And you know, when you look 266 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:16.319 at that film, why doesn't that thing it just stays 267 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:19.000 in the open. Why did this make a left and 268 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:20.920 go up into the trees and be gone? I mean 269 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:24.480 it didn't have to stay up for that long. Well, 270 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:27.640 what it was, and Native Americans have told me this, 271 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:33.400 it's the ill broken wing trick that it wanted to 272 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:34.880 see what those guys were going to do if they 273 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:36.720 were going to follow him, because there was two other 274 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.400 sasquatches in that area which probably were just in the 275 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:43.839 tree line, and Bob and Roger just didn't see him. 276 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:46.400 And this thing is trying to divert the attention, so 277 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:50.200 it follow them, and Bob did for a short distance. 278 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:54.200 After Roger found his horse, Bob tracted to realize that 279 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:58.440 was fruitless because of the terrain and so forth. So 280 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:01.680 when Bob Gimblin got there, Bob Timmus got there and 281 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:05.880 found the footprints, he tracked it and he tracked it 282 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:08.880 up to the side of this hill, and at the 283 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.200 top of this hill there was these rocks about the 284 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.799 size of golf balls covered with green moss. And he said, 285 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:16.720 you could see where this thing is set its heels 286 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:20.039 down and set its buttocks into the ground. And basically 287 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:22.000 he told me, and he said, from that vantage point, 288 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:23.839 it had a complete view of the valley to see 289 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:27.039 exactly what those guys were going to do. So while 290 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:31.000 they were casting those footprints, his thing was watching them. 291 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:34.440 Hmm. Now I've heard what you shared earlier. You know, 292 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:39.799 how it was possibly directing its attention away from others 293 00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:41.519 that may have been in the area. You know, I've 294 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:43.799 actually heard that from several other people in their you know, 295 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:46.440 in their thoughts or fairies. You know that that could 296 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:49.319 have been the possibility, which you know, if you think 297 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:50.880 about it, it makes sense. 298 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:55.079 Well, they probably heard it from me originally because I 299 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:57.920 was the first one, I think to disclose that information. 300 00:18:58.359 --> 00:18:59.759 In fact, a lot of these stories that got out 301 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:02.440 of up Timothy and they were even John Green hadn't 302 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:03.039 heard before. 303 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:07.079 Mmmm. Yeah, that's like that's you know, like when I 304 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:09.240 was in elementary school, you was, we would get in 305 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:12.559 a circle and then one one kid, one person would 306 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:15.640 start off a rumor or whatever, and then by the 307 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:19.079 time it gets around, well that's a different scenario. I'm sorry, 308 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:22.400 but it's like, yeah, it's like a chain reaction. But 309 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:24.160 but then again, you know, along the lines, people do 310 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:27.000 change some stories and stuff, you know, but the best 311 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:29.559 stories always come from the originals that were there, so 312 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:34.960 that's good. So there's some other theories where people believe 313 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:39.400 that there was maybe i mean little ones, you know, 314 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:41.200 like you mentioned, you know, because they said they did 315 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:44.799 find other tracks here like you mentioned. Now some people 316 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:47.400 want to believe or claim that there was a really 317 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:52.160 young one, like we're talking possible infant juvenile that was 318 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:56.079 called Now you know, people play around with that footage 319 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:58.000 all the time and do what they can with their 320 00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:02.960 own computers. I mean, I know there's graphic univisor is 321 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:05.559 pretty much to that apart, you know. 322 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:09.319 So yeah, so much you can see with that film 323 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:11.880 because of the quality of equipment that was used in 324 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:14.079 I mean, that's the same camera my dad filmed our 325 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:17.400 vacations on and when you look at the bouncy part, 326 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:21.759 we had entire vacations that look like that. So you know, 327 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:23.640 you can only take so much out of that old film, 328 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:26.079 and computers have done a lot where they've stabilized and 329 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:31.319 so forth. But then there was that silly uh story 330 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:32.880 that there's been a massacre there. 331 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:39.559 I've heard that too, Yes, I heard that. I'm on 332 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:41.519 the fence about that. I don't. I don't see nothing 333 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:43.960 that supports that, to be honest with you, I really don't. 334 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:47.200 And but well then. 335 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:52.519 Yeah, then let me explain something that. And I'm just 336 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:56.839 sure anybody that spent any time with doing any type 337 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:00.359 I mean, when you go into the forest with these things, 338 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:06.720 you're a moron. I mean, let's say we're we're pretty 339 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:09.200 damn pitiful. I mean, take off our clothes and walk 340 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:11.559 into the force and survive on your own. It ain't 341 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:17.640 gonna happen. So you know, they're they're these things are 342 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:23.720 geniuses when it comes to uh uh survival and we're not. 343 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:27.920 And that's that's just you know, I always laugh at 344 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:35.119 these guys that go bigfoot researching and they wear camouflage, whom. 345 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:40.880 You know, these things are smart enough that they realized 346 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:45.920 they associate camouflage with hunters. Hunters they associate with guns, 347 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:50.799 and then you know they've dodged bullets before we're actually 348 00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:54.920 been hit by bullets, I'm sure. So I tell people, 349 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:57.440 I said, if you want to go do research on Sasquatch, 350 00:21:58.279 --> 00:22:00.880 I says, you know, don't go a night because one 351 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:03.240 of the best film has been made, you know, the 352 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:09.759 Patterson Gamblin film Daytime, the Freeman film Daytime, the Russian Oh, 353 00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:11.920 I don't think it was Russian. The Canadian film where 354 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:14.000 it was up along the ridge daytime. 355 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:15.279 Yeah, this is at night. 356 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:17.480 There ain't no chance in hell, I said, at night. 357 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:21.640 The coloration of these things, they're invisible. I mean, they 358 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:23.279 could walk up within two foot of it and you 359 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:26.480 wouldn't know, acknowledge you spelled them or earn them. So 360 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:29.480 I said, get you a nice bright Hawaiian. Sure, don't 361 00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:34.759 even think about Bigfoot and go out in the suppose areas, 362 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:38.680 and your chances of observing one or seeing one's much better. 363 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:42.440 Well with what you just said makes me feel like 364 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:48.480 the encounter I had back in twenty fourteen. That almost 365 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:51.839 adds more credibility to what I saw. And the thing 366 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:53.680 is I wasn't alone. There was six of us. And 367 00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:55.960 if you don't mind, I like to briefly run that 368 00:22:56.000 --> 00:23:02.680 by you. Really, Yeah, It was actually during a twenty 369 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:07.240 fourteen camping expedition. You know, it was our Bigfoot camping expedition. 370 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:09.599 And like I said, there was a group of us, 371 00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:13.400 six of us all together, and from where our base 372 00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:16.559 camp was, we had traveled on foot up the forest 373 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:19.160 road down to the lake that was in the area. 374 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:22.240 You know, we were there just before it got dark. 375 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:24.920 We were paired up in two spread out and around 376 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:27.880 the lake. You know, we were listening to our parabolic microphones. 377 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:32.240 We gave off some vocalizations, you know, we've actually got 378 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:35.319 oh well, we gave off one particular vocalization and we 379 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:38.799 actually got a response from it, which was pretty cool. Well, 380 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:43.039 after hanging around there and just listening and everything, we 381 00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:46.480 regrouped and then we started back on foot. We had 382 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:49.440 about a mile hike back to camp. And of course 383 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:52.440 by this time is way late. We didn't realize the 384 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:57.079 time until you know, we actually looked and here we are, 385 00:23:57.119 --> 00:23:59.359 we're walking back up the forest road. You know, we 386 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:02.119 still had a good days ago. And as we're walking 387 00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:03.839 up the forest road, you know, we saw a deer 388 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:06.440 on the one side, you know, because we got headlamps on. 389 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:10.200 Our headlamps were we're looking around. We're just crowsing as 390 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:12.559 we're walking, and we're talking at normal tone. We weren't 391 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:15.440 trying to be quiet, you know, yeah, just on a way. 392 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:17.000 We wanted to get back to camp, you know. 393 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:17.880 Right. 394 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:21.200 So here we are, we're walking and I'm actually up 395 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:22.759 in front of in front of everybody. We're kind of 396 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:27.279 like in a stretched out, scattered line. And then something, 397 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:30.319 after seeing the deer on the right, something caught my 398 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:34.240 attention up on the left. And the first thing I 399 00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:36.880 saw it was sitting kind of low, and I'm like, 400 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:40.319 I'm staring at it. What the heck is that? Now? 401 00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:43.640 What I was seeing was bright yellow glow reflection from 402 00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:45.599 off my head lamp. And one of the first things 403 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:49.160 that ran through my mind before this is before I 404 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:52.200 seen it blink and I got more focused. There was 405 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:55.400 a set of eyes. Well we have in the National Forest, 406 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:58.920 we have these little yellow plaques, you know, they usually say, 407 00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:02.680 you know, go travel whatever. And so I'm thinking, I'm 408 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:05.119 I'm seeing some kind of yellow reflective that's on a shree. 409 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:07.920 But then I start to walk up a little closer 410 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:10.519 and then all of a sudden, I see two uh, 411 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:12.680 you know, I said, of eyes blink at me. And 412 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:15.000 that's when I signaled back to the next guy behind me, 413 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:17.559 Tracy Arnold. I said, Tracy, we got eye shine up here. 414 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:19.920 And he spotted it, and he told the rest of 415 00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:21.519 the guys get up here. We got eye shine. We 416 00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:23.640 got eye shine. So we all get up to this 417 00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:26.680 area because whatever was there apparently disappeared. But when we 418 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:29.880 get up there, we were looking into the area. Sure enough, 419 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:32.519 whatever was up just off the edge of the forest road, 420 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:35.640 we caught, uh, you know, we got a glimpse of 421 00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:39.119 it again. And the first thing we noticed bright yellow 422 00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:42.519 eye shine. And we did not see the body, but 423 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:44.720 we see the eyes so clear. You know, there were 424 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:48.240 bright yellow, ambush looking eyes. And this subject, this looked 425 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:51.039 this figure that was kind of short, was swaying back 426 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:55.240 to back, you know, side to side, and you know, 427 00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:58.079 I was saying, what the heck, And you know, then 428 00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:00.720 that's when we took notice there was another one next 429 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:03.680 to it, but five six feet away. Now, this one 430 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:06.319 here was much taller than this little one. This one 431 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:08.960 here we estimated at that time about six foot tall. 432 00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:12.759 Because one thing is, when I tell people this story, 433 00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:15.480 I was at the time, we didn't realize the edge 434 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.640 of the road sloped down to where this subject was. 435 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:22.680 So we're noticing there's two of them. Now, Now we 436 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:25.359 got one, you know, we're saying four or five, four 437 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:27.559 to five feet tall. The other one was a good 438 00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:30.920 six foot tall, and it was just staring there. It 439 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:34.599 was just, you know, the same same color, eyes, bright yellow, 440 00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:37.920 and they were blinking and they it blinked maybe once 441 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.960 or twice. And for a good little moment there we 442 00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:45.920 were staring at Justice two and there's an excitement starting 443 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:47.839 to grow, you know, like what are we looking at? 444 00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:51.039 You know, And then and then it didn't dawn on 445 00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:55.359 us till after we saw another subject behind the book, 446 00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:57.759 just to the right of the one subject that was 447 00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:01.319 around six foot tall, we noticed something else behind the bushes, 448 00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:04.480 and you can see the eyes reflecting from off of 449 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:08.880 a light. Again, same color and what appeared to be 450 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:12.039 it may have been crouched down. And then this subject 451 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:16.039 as it got taller, it was well over seven to 452 00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:19.839 eight foot tall, and you can see the eye level difference. 453 00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:22.960 Now at the time this is after midnight, where this 454 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:27.039 was approximately around twelve thirty in the morning, and we're 455 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:32.400 observing three sets of yellow eyeshine. And this is what 456 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:34.240 kind of got me. Well, I think this is what 457 00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:35.799 got a couple of us more exciting, because I think 458 00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:37.960 there's only two of us that actually saw this next part. 459 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:40.240 I think Tracy was the one who observed this. I 460 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:41.799 can't remember if the others did or not, but me 461 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:45.039 and Tracy both saw this. But we saw of the 462 00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:47.400 tallest subject. We seen the head turn to the side, 463 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:50.519 and then apparently it took a step or two and 464 00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:53.839 they looked back at us. At that moment, you could 465 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:58.160 see a slight silhouette of the roundness of a head, 466 00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:02.160 you know, And then the thing is here, it is 467 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:05.920 it's pitch here, and we're look, we got a headland. 468 00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.599 We all have headlands. You think there will be enough 469 00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:11.920 light in there to see something, but it's like the 470 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:15.920 power of the darkness blending in with whatever color of 471 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:19.640 their hair or fur is. And but that's the most 472 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:22.559 we actually seen is the eye shine and the silhouette 473 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.599 of the tallest one. The other ones, I didn't make 474 00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:29.000 no sense why we didn't see more of them, because 475 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:31.480 that little one, you know, like I kind of had 476 00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:34.799 the bobbin swaying side to side motion. And the thing 477 00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:36.519 is when I when I see that, it kind of 478 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:40.559 makes me think of a primate, you know, but I 479 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:44.279 mean I heard or yeah, it was weird. You know 480 00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:46.559 a lot of times people claim to see them by 481 00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:49.519 trees or just standing there swaying side to side. Well 482 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.880 that's what a small one was doing. So like, yeah, 483 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:55.160 like you mentioned, they can be in total darkness right 484 00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:56.359 in front of you, you won't see them. 485 00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.680 And in those lights you would have ever seen them. 486 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:04.079 Absolutely, So that was mysterious until this day. Well, we 487 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:08.119 went back to camp, and after we got back to camp, 488 00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:11.440 me and Tracy started thinking about something. I said. We 489 00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:14.440 were kicking ourselves in the butt because we both had 490 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.519 backpacks on and the thing is, in our backpacks we 491 00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:20.440 had night vision monoculars there in our backpack, but not 492 00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:22.400 once did we ever think about pulling them out to 493 00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:27.000 get a better view. And so, yeah, but we were trying 494 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:29.079 to debunk the whole situation. Could have been this could 495 00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:31.119 have been this because I've had a lot of encounters 496 00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:34.240 with black bears. I've seen We've had I know, I 497 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.119 got mountain lions out there, I found their tracks, you know, 498 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.359 and I'll think it of every other possibility, what animal 499 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:46.240 could this be? Well, I don't know, it it was 500 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:50.000 kind of. I don't know, it was. It was exciting 501 00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:52.799 trying to debunk it. We even went back the next 502 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.480 day to do a height comparison, and you know, our 503 00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:59.680 estimates were pretty pretty close to be inaccurate because of 504 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.000 the tall subject was definitely around the eight foot mark, 505 00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:04.519 and then of course we had about six foot and 506 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:08.000 then the small one. So we like to believe that 507 00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:10.759 what we saw was a family unit, you know, so, 508 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:16.039 but I don't know that that was us was very exciting. Well, 509 00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:18.160 if you know, I'm sorry for rambling on. 510 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:22.400 No, no, that's no, no, no, absolutely not. If the primates, 511 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:24.680 if you see one, there's two or three or four 512 00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:28.240 or five he didn't see. That's just that's just back 513 00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:32.119 to the whole deal. Okay, there's no there's no there's 514 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:37.359 no primate species in the world that travels single solo, right. 515 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:42.200 There are always family groups for safety reasons, and so 516 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:47.119 you know, the ending of Harry and the Henderson's is 517 00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:50.319 probably the most sobering thing you'll ever see when you 518 00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:53.119 watch Harry walk into the forest and all of a sudden 519 00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:56.200 there's several of them just to peer up behind trees. 520 00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:03.000 Yeah, very true, and that part exactly, you know, a 521 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:06.359 lot of us. I'm sure, I'm sure others will agree. 522 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:09.279 I mean, I guess it's the safe to say that's 523 00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:10.519 natural camouflage, right. 524 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.759 Oh, they're they're almost invisible even in the daytime. I mean, 525 00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:19.799 I take it out, they'll never see him. I mean 526 00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:23.680 basically the same coloration as a bear. And you talk 527 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.440 to people, you know, bear hunters, if they didn't use 528 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:32.920 dogs or baits, they never kill one, right, fact, they're 529 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.119 they're elusive. I mean, you're black bear is about as 530 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.160 intelligent as your great apes. They just don't have the 531 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:42.480 facial expressions or the or the or the well, the 532 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:44.000 facial expressions primarily. 533 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:46.839 But oh yeah, so I mean. 534 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:48.839 You go walking through the forest one to see a bear, 535 00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.440 it ain't gonna happen now that you're you know, well, 536 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:55.680 if you're up a tree stand, I suppose during deer season, 537 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:57.279 not a couple of pretty funny videos. 538 00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:00.839 And that's one thing I tell people, because you know, 539 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:03.720 I know it's weird. You know, everybody has their own 540 00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:07.480 way of having Everybody has their own thoughts and theories 541 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:09.960 or based off of the research in the field, how 542 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.519 they observe things. And you know, I don't know, I 543 00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:14.440 guess in a way I like to say, I'm I 544 00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:16.519 feel like I'm what's the right word I'm trying to use. 545 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:20.759 I can't think of it, But you know, I mean, 546 00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:23.799 well fortunate, you know, because I mean I've got I've 547 00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:25.799 got to observe a lot of different wildlife just into 548 00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:28.119 one particular ERAa I'm in and you know, I'm in 549 00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:32.359 the George Washington National National Forest all the time. And uh, 550 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:34.960 I've had, like I said, I've had several encounters with 551 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.119 black beers, some of them close, some of them further away, 552 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.559 you know, because usually by the time I'm seeing they're 553 00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:41.519 already get going the other way because you know, they've 554 00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:43.160 already smelt you whatever. 555 00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:43.119 You know. 556 00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:48.599 And but you know, it's it's always exciting scene wildlife. 557 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:53.160 I pers and I know a lot about their behavior. 558 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:59.519 So uh, they're they're they're sharp and and as I said, 559 00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:03.200 not less you know, and you know, still National Park 560 00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.240 of course, now those bears have been moved out. If 561 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:06.799 people didn't feed them out of the cars, they would 562 00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:12.200 never see them because they're societative and diligent. So far 563 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.640 as his sasquatches, that's a whole different deal. I mean, 564 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:21.880 you just multiply bad times ten. So, yeah, anybody you 565 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:23.799 got a better chance? I don't. I don't know how 566 00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:25.559 to compare it. You got a better chance of getting 567 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:27.799 struck by lighting on a Tuesday at four o'clock in 568 00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:30.559 the afternoon and walking into force and seeing a sasquatch. 569 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:36.359 Yeah, yeah, you know. And real quick about the bears. 570 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:40.440 You mentioned talking about bears, howelucid they only are. And 571 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:42.079 I know, I know a lot of people heard me. 572 00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:46.279 You know, they've heard me numerous times. I have a comparison, 573 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.559 I do in a few different ways when it comes 574 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:53.240 to sasquatch and bears. But do you do you believe 575 00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:56.119 bears have a similar pattern to a sasquatch as far 576 00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:59.240 as their behavior or their patterns? What's that? 577 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.559 Well, I don't know that they're both unpredictable. That's the 578 00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:09.119 only reason there isn't more film and pictures, well good pictures. 579 00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:12.400 I know there's a bunch of blop pictures. But their 580 00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:16.000 their behavior is totally unpredictable, that's the thing about it. 581 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:19.400 And bears are to you because they show no expression. 582 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:20.000 They know. 583 00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:24.119 A lot of bear handlers have been heard or killed 584 00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:29.719 because they you know, bears are tough to figure out. Sometimes. 585 00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:33.679 But but I've been around them enough. You know, I've 586 00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:36.199 raised these two bears for close to twenty years and 587 00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:39.920 work with them and been around them daily that I 588 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:41.480 know bear behavior pretty well. 589 00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.920 In fact, that's pretty good now. 590 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:49.320 I feel comfortable to feel with wild black bears as 591 00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:52.400 far as and knowing what's up and knowing what they're 592 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.400 going to do, because basically. 593 00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:55.800 You're black bears. 594 00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:59.960 Just I mean you stream and yelling way for our 595 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:05.639 that's out of their knowledge there. Oh yeah, they're big chickens. 596 00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:06.960 They're not funny. 597 00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:15.760 Well, yeah, we have Ryan reading on the line. He's 598 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:17.880 one of the co hosts. He wanted to jump in there. 599 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:19.679 I was gonna let him jump in there real quick. 600 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:23.599 Go ahead, Ryan, Thanks Dan. 601 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:25.119 How you doing, Larry? 602 00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.199 I just certainly say you were doing this for about 603 00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:32.840 fifty years. Were there any areas that you frequented more 604 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:37.320 often for your research purposes or you know, getting out. 605 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.199 There live in research? I can be I live in 606 00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:45.480 Bigfoot country, so I'd be taking my trash out one 607 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:46.599 night and walk into. 608 00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:49.519 One and there. 609 00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.159 My wife says, the same name is that if you're 610 00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:53.960 looking for it, you're not going to find it. 611 00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:57.159 Exactly. 612 00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:06.039 It seems to happen when when you least expect, they 613 00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:09.599 encounters yourself. 614 00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:17.199 Visual not that great, you know, I uh, not not 615 00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:20.239 what I would consider spectacular ones. I've you know, we've 616 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:24.000 had him around the property before. They've had my tigers 617 00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:30.400 all worked. They thought tigers. Well this The history of 618 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.000 that event was I had friends that were putting them. 619 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.119 We were putting up the new bear enclosure, and I'd 620 00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:41.079 gone off to fights for all meet tiger food for 621 00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:43.519 that day. And I get back and I had a 622 00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:45.679 couple of friends from Florida that were helping me cater 623 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.639 runners and they said, hey, they were stopping walking down 624 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.840 your valley while he was going. It was big. Couldn't 625 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.800 see it. It was big. So I didn't think anything 626 00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:59.239 about it. So that next uh or that same night, 627 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.400 I'm feeding the cat. And at that time I had 628 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.880 one Siberian tiger named Louis. He was a huge. He 629 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.639 was about six hundred pounder and basically when you fed him, 630 00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:11.960 it was like he had to make a kill. He 631 00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.320 get all upset, growl, spit, etch in the whole bit 632 00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:17.119 where you know, I'm taking a bucket of meat out 633 00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:20.679 to him and basically just pour it in his house 634 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.360 and have at it. You don't have to make a kill. Brother, 635 00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:28.679 It's easy. Well, that particular night after they heard that. 636 00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:34.280 That day, I was walked up to his enclosure with 637 00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.159 that bucket of meat, and he wasn't coming up to 638 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:37.960 the door like he normally did. So I thought, oh, 639 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:42.840 what's happened? And I looked down. It was dark. I 640 00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:44.360 looked down at his enclosure and he was clear at 641 00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:46.480 the other end, like one of those concrete statues you 642 00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:49.679 see if the lions or tigers that people have by 643 00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:53.280 their driveway, and he was looking straight back in the woods, 644 00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:55.519 straight back in that valley. And I looked down at 645 00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:57.320 the other cats and they were all doing the same thing. 646 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:02.280 So I was probably within, oh I don't know, twenty 647 00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:06.519 thirty yards of one. And I didn't think much about it. 648 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.840 So I thought about later that if I'd walked back 649 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:14.199 in that woods, I'd probably run right into one. So but. 650 00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:18.400 That's interesting, you know, being on your own property. 651 00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:22.880 Oh yeah, Well, my wife said inside, he's here before, 652 00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:25.480 and she you know, she'd kill me if I'm tell 653 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:30.639 anybody she's the same He said, she's the same thing. 654 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:34.519 Leave him alone. I was going to lecture in southern Indiana, 655 00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:38.039 to finished election. This little old lady walks up. She says, 656 00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.119 I know what you're talking about. I seen them. She 657 00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:44.960 says people should leave them alone. And she just patted 658 00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:48.199 me on my hand. I says, ma'am, you're absolutely right, 659 00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:54.000 You're absolutely right, just leave them alone, because you know, 660 00:38:54.599 --> 00:39:02.280 it's basically when I talked to Yellowstone Park ranger Bob Jackson, 661 00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.480 and he had a sighting. And Bob Jackson was the 662 00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:11.880 best park ranger Yellowstone's ever had. He arrested more people 663 00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:15.519 for poaching, and his thirty years and all the rangers combined, 664 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:19.480 and he observed a sasquatch stalking a deer in Yellowstone 665 00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:23.960 National Park, and his testimonies put people in prison, cost 666 00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:28.559 him tens of thousands of dollars, cost him equipment. And 667 00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:30.920 if he says he watched a sasquatch stalk a deer 668 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.079 and he doesn't care if anybody believes or not, I 669 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.679 tend to call that a pretty valuable witness. So pretty 670 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.599 much after my conversation with him, I realized that all 671 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:43.440 the feelings I had about this were right, that they 672 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:50.440 do exist. They're very rare, very unpredictable, very highly intelligent, 673 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:55.320 very strong, you know, and I think a lot of 674 00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:59.760 people it was they've run into one face to face, 675 00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:02.159 their feeling about pursuing them or camping out to find 676 00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:06.960 them and changed drastically. Because I'm not saying they're not 677 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:11.360 violent creatures either, because I've had reports that are Indian 678 00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:19.039 reservations up in Washington, in Washington and Canada where people 679 00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.920 have been killed by them. So you know, I'm not 680 00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:25.440 saying they're peaceful. You know, people disappear in the forest 681 00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:28.920 all the time, never found. You know, I'm not saying 682 00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:33.800 it because of that by no means. But one of 683 00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:37.159 the stories that were reports that I'd got was out 684 00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.559 of a reservation up just south of the Canadian border Washington, 685 00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:47.480 where three young Native Americans were running salmon their salmon 686 00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:52.360 traps lines and they didn't come back. Well. When they 687 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:54.840 sent a party out to look for them, they found them. 688 00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:00.000 One had been basically buried underneath the pile of rocks, 689 00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:05.840 one had been completely dismembered, and one the third body 690 00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:10.199 that was found, What basically had happened to him is 691 00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:12.239 something that grabbed him by the ankles and beat him 692 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.159 up against the tree. Because there was brain tissue on 693 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:18.480 all the trees around that area where they found the body. 694 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:23.719 And there's several incidents that I've heard of people finding 695 00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:27.440 coyotes that have been grabbed by their feet and beaten 696 00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:33.079 up against trees. That's been reported before. Of course, it 697 00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:36.519 kind of falls in line with taking a piece of 698 00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:38.800 wood and beating it up against a tree to track 699 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:44.599 them or to get a response. So you know, I 700 00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:46.880 don't think a lot of people don't realize what they're 701 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:50.039 messing with here. And basically, the one Native American she 702 00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:54.239 told me, she said, I was one specific area that 703 00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:58.199 I've done a lot of reports with. Sometimes I kind 704 00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:03.159 of regret because then guys from what's that stupid show 705 00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:10.239 not finding Bigfoot then going into this area and did 706 00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:12.920 a pretty silly show down in southern Indiana morgam And 707 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:17.599 Road State Forest. And this Native American gal twenty five 708 00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:20.559 years ago told me that there was five of them 709 00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.559 living in that forest and she could call them in, 710 00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:27.159 but she said, if you get between a male and 711 00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:29.519 a female or a male and a baby, he'll kill you. 712 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.400 I said, well, how does he do that? She said, 713 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:34.079 he grabs you, buy your ankles and beat you up 714 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:34.760 against the tree. 715 00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:37.199 Oh wow, So I believe it. 716 00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:42.320 So that's pretty, you know. And so I've heard that 717 00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.360 more than once. I've heard that story, So you know, 718 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:49.119 I take some faith in that. I you know, I 719 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:53.760 take a lot of I take basically, what I do 720 00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:57.119 is I get a report or you know, And I'm 721 00:42:57.159 --> 00:42:59.159 not interested at all in the report of one. We're 722 00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:01.400 walking across the front of my car and gone, that's 723 00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:05.079 not interesting at all, because you know, what are you 724 00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:06.639 going to do? Go back to that area? That thing's 725 00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:09.880 fifty miles from there by. Now I'm interested in the 726 00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:13.519 reports that a little bit more substantial, something more of 727 00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:17.480 interest has happened, something more has been observed. I still 728 00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:21.239 say there's somebody out there that's got a film that's 729 00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:23.320 better than the Patterson film by a long shot, but 730 00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:26.920 they're not going to release it. They're not going to 731 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.880 show it because that film has been made at their 732 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.719 vacation spot or their place they've bought, worked their life 733 00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:40.039 to buy the retirement place. Realizing that they would release 734 00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:43.519 that film, that every guy in camouflage and night vision 735 00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:45.719 would show up at their house and it would be 736 00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:51.719 a dang circus. So they don't. So I know for 737 00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:53.960 a fact that there's I know there's somebody out there 738 00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:57.159 that's got a really, really, really good film. And I 739 00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:02.119 have in my collection a picture from the nineteen forties 740 00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:04.760 of a fellow in northern California that took this picture. 741 00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:08.400 And he always used to tell his family says he 742 00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:11.880 had an apple orchard. He said, Oh, people of the 743 00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:14.360 forest come out and eat my apples. Well, they're thinking 744 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:18.960 that grandpa's just goofy. His Alzheimer's has already said him. Well, 745 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:21.079 so when he passed and they go through all this stuff, 746 00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:24.199 you know, they're picking his bone basically after he dies, 747 00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:27.320 and going through his valuables and all that. Well, they 748 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:29.360 found a box full of pictures, and sure enough, one 749 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:35.960 of those pictures is of this thing, hair covered round head, 750 00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:39.920 huge shoulders, and they could see had been taken right 751 00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:44.519 there in his orchard. So that was in nineteen forty 752 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.079 nineteen forty one. And when they laughed at him, he 753 00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:49.719 just shut up about it. And you know, Daniel Boone 754 00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.199 and his journals has said that he killed the sasquatch 755 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:56.559 in Kentucky and buried it held it. When he told 756 00:44:56.599 --> 00:44:58.199 people about it, they laughed at him, so he just 757 00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:01.880 shut up about it. Say any more about Jill. You know, 758 00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:08.079 he'd written the story in the journals. George Shaller, who's 759 00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:13.199 the foremost probably the foremost zoologists in the world. Uh, 760 00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:15.599 he did more research on the snow leopard, has a 761 00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:19.719 big foot cast on his wall. And when you in 762 00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:22.360 his office in Chicago and when you ask him about it, 763 00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:28.039 his answer always is, there is no proof. There's no 764 00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:32.519 evidence that they do not exist. None. 765 00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:38.440 Yet you're absolutely right. That's a good point. I've been 766 00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:42.159 in that argument with skeptics and non believers with a 767 00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:44.519 simple question, could you prove to me that they don't exist? 768 00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:50.599 You know, yeah, anybody that's a skeptics saying, oh, there 769 00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:52.719 is no way, Well, they've done no research on it. 770 00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:55.360 Right, you know, they have walked in my shoes. 771 00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:57.320 They haven't talked to all the people I've talked to 772 00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:00.760 that have seen them, and you know, and I know, 773 00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:03.039 I you know, I can tell a liar in a minute, 774 00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:10.760 because I'm a pretty damn good one myself, And but 775 00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:13.760 I haven't liked in the last forty four minutes. 776 00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:16.519 So but thank you. 777 00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:21.719 The truth of the matter is, is anybody spent any 778 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:24.079 time on this, because there was you know, I was 779 00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:27.079 skeptical before i'd called John Green. I was skeptical before 780 00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:30.599 I talked to Bob Timmoth. But when John Green flew 781 00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:33.679 to Cleveland, Ohio and he walked into that holiday inn 782 00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:39.199 at the restaurant lounge in his big Canadian sweater with 783 00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:42.360 his wife and we sat down and talked in kind 784 00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:44.199 of a dimly lit room, I'll tell you what, it 785 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:47.280 was probably one of the most phenomenal experiences I've ever had. 786 00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:52.079 And in fact, he was a very generous man. He 787 00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:56.519 gave me cassette tapes of Roger Patterson interviews and all 788 00:46:56.599 --> 00:46:58.800 this stuff he'd done. He just he just just gave 789 00:46:58.880 --> 00:46:59.360 me tapes. 790 00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:01.559 Is here go on? 791 00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:04.920 And one of the biggest I have two regrets that 792 00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:09.599 he had given me permission to make an audio book 793 00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:16.320 of Sasquatch or the Sasquatch apes, of the the apes 794 00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:19.920 among us. He'd give me permission to do that, make 795 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:22.559 an audio book of it, and I wish and I 796 00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:26.760 never did it. The second thing that i'd got permissions on, 797 00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:30.760 there's three things. Second permissions, Bob Tipmas had said, if 798 00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:33.199 you come up to Harrison Hot Springs, British Columbia, you 799 00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:35.559 can make copies of all these casts that I have, 800 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:39.960 which included the Patterson film cast and I never got 801 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.920 there to do it. And John Green had asked me 802 00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:44.840 because he thought I would be the most credible person 803 00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:48.840 to do it. Is to come out, go to British 804 00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:51.719 Columbia and pick up a copy of the Skookham cast 805 00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:54.920 and take it to guys like George Shaller and various 806 00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:56.880 zoologists all over the country. He was going to pay 807 00:47:56.960 --> 00:48:00.360 me to do that one summer, and those are my 808 00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:05.440 responsibilities here. I just I just couldn't do it. Plus 809 00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:08.159 I didn't want to tell him what that might cost him. 810 00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:13.599 I would be embarrassed. But in fact, oh gosh, Rick, 811 00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:16.000 I can't think of his last name off the top 812 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:19.559 of nol. He'd also give me permission to take the 813 00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:21.599 copy of the cast and share it with a zoologists 814 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:23.320 in a different part of the country that wouldn't have 815 00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:25.360 a chance to see that cast, not unless they went 816 00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:30.960 to Washington. I think they added at Harrison Hotsprings. I 817 00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:34.920 think I don't recall. So those are three regrets I 818 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.559 wish I'd never done. And you know, when I spoke 819 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:40.039 to the US Fish and Wildlife Service on the big Foot, 820 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:43.519 I spoke at the National Conservation Training Center. This is 821 00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:47.079 in two thousand and nine. I believe to a group 822 00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:51.679 of about two hundred and fifty scientists and zoologists and naturalists. 823 00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:57.639 John said to me, he said, Larry, he said, next 824 00:48:57.679 --> 00:48:59.559 to the Patterson film, that is one of the most 825 00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:04.320 important thing that's ever happened to this Bigfoot legend. For 826 00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:07.000 you to get the US Fish and Wildlife Service to 827 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:09.400 actually pay you to come into a lecture on the 828 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:16.360 subject the sponsored he said, it was unbelievable, and that 829 00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:19.920 made me feel pretty humble. I mean, I thought, my god, 830 00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:25.440 so you know I have in this and now of 831 00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:27.920 course they're gone, so the chances of doing those things 832 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:32.039 is out the window. In fact, we actually had I 833 00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:35.880 had a production company here in Indiana. I had them sold. 834 00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.800 In fact, I had it entirely all put together. The 835 00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:45.679 John Green, myself and Bob Gimmlin, We're going to ride 836 00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:49.440 on horseback to the film side of Bluff Creek and 837 00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:51.880 shoot a film of sitting around a campfire that night 838 00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:57.159 and talking about that day in nineteen sixty seven. But 839 00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:00.480 the production people here in Indiana said, well, they saw 840 00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:05.440 legend meat Science Jeff Mildram's show with the Discovery Challenge. 841 00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.159 He said, they said, you know, there's a half a 842 00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:09.480 million dollars worth of effects in that film. We can't 843 00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:11.960 do anything like that, he says, I'm not asking you to. 844 00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:14.960 I said, this is going to be very honest. This 845 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:16.559 is going to be very truthful. This would have been 846 00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:22.199 something that would have been in every bigfoot person's library 847 00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:26.280 of John Green and Bob Gimlin talking about the Patterson 848 00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:33.079 film around the campfire there at the film site, no effects, nothing, 849 00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:38.880 just raw footage of us talking about that day. And 850 00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:41.079 when they pulled out of that project, I was sick. 851 00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:43.519 I thought, my god. I said that was going to 852 00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:47.000 be so cool. I had Bob Gimlin ready to come 853 00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:49.920 down from Yakamal, Washington and this trailer with three horses, 854 00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:53.599 and we were going to go and film it. But 855 00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:55.079 it didn't happen. 856 00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:57.360 It's never too late. 857 00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:01.000 Well, John Green's gone and Bob Gimblin is not in 858 00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:02.840 good health now, so it is too late. 859 00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:04.719 So that's true. 860 00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:10.039 Well, so that can't happen. I still am very I 861 00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:13.599 encourage people to listen to if it's on the internet, 862 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:17.280 of the blog talk program I did with Bob Gimbling 863 00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:21.480 and John Green, because it's it's it's a hell of 864 00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:25.599 a good program. I have to say myself. I wouldn't respond. 865 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:28.039 I just managed to arrange it and put it all together. 866 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:30.920 But as far as the actual program, it's Bob and John. 867 00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:31.920 They were phenomenal. 868 00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:38.000 M Yeah, I've always wanted to meet Bob, you know, 869 00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:41.920 I mean, I know he's had a lot of conventions, 870 00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.440 you know, I know he attends the Big for Conference 871 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:48.039 a lot, and I went there for the first time 872 00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:52.280 this past year and I really was impressed. It was 873 00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:54.960 really nice. Got to meet a lot of great people, 874 00:51:55.159 --> 00:52:00.679 Jeff Melgium and Chris Barackman, Bobo, you know, several others, 875 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:02.880 and uh, you know a lot of people you've always 876 00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:05.400 known just through social media and you got you finally 877 00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:08.199 get to meet him in person, and you know, and 878 00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:12.280 sometimes would share stories and swap information and you know, 879 00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:16.480 and just have a global times well marked. 880 00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:17.840 The worse than one. Heck of a job with that. 881 00:52:18.679 --> 00:52:20.880 I did it in the early days before it's kicked off, 882 00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.480 when Don Keating was doing it and Mark was of 883 00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:26.400 course helping as well, but I was doing it before 884 00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:30.719 it really kicked off. And uh, Mark has done a 885 00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:33.320 phenomenal job with it. You know, it's promoted it well, 886 00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:35.840 and you know he's a pet Barnum as far as 887 00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:39.000 I'm concerned in a bigfoot lore. Yeah, in fact, I'm 888 00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:45.000 on hockey I was at Hockey Hills. Uh Hi, Yeah, 889 00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:48.400 I'm gonna do that. And next September, I think is 890 00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:52.079 the time. I'm not quite sure, but I've already I've 891 00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:53.400 already told him I would do that. 892 00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:58.960 So I definitely want to talk to you off air. 893 00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:01.119 You know about a few you're you know, would you 894 00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:02.400 ever come back to Virginia? 895 00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.960 Oh yeah, Well I've got a couple of nieces in 896 00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:09.440 Virginia that heck, when we went there and did the 897 00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:13.920 conference with Billy Willard, they came over and I'd never 898 00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:14.840 met them before. 899 00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:17.039 Oh yeah, I remember that. 900 00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:19.760 I saw the pictures. 901 00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:22.719 Yeah, it wouldn't take me too much to get back. 902 00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.679 I love Virginia. I think, you know, as far as 903 00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:27.760 I'm concerned, that's probably Bigfoot Central. 904 00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:30.079 You got that much wild area. 905 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.559 It's no where nobody's been that tells me that the 906 00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:35.880 population of those things is probably greater than anywhere. 907 00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:39.719 Well, I can tell you, you know, just me alone, 908 00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:43.679 as far as reports I've gathered, you know, when I 909 00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:47.599 when I when I started putting more information out publicly. 910 00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:50.599 I mean, you'll be surprised the people that came out 911 00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:52.039 of the woodwork that was willing to talk. 912 00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:57.400 You know, I've always said the reports don't get reported, 913 00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:01.000 or sis never get reported. Yeah, because most people don't 914 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:03.719 want people think they're an idiot. They don't. They refuse 915 00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:06.119 to believe what they've seen, and. 916 00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:10.480 I'll tell you don't. Yeah. These are people that weren't believers, 917 00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:13.599 so they couldn't believe what they saw, you know, standing 918 00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:15.280 on the side of the road and crossing the road. 919 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:15.559 You know. 920 00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:20.559 Oh, yeah, absolutely, I mean that's happened. I mean, you 921 00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.960 get law enforcement people that have seen these things be 922 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:24.199 forse they just shut up about it. 923 00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:25.280 Oh. 924 00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:29.079 I had a signing within Oh god, it's within a 925 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:32.039 half mile of here. The conservation officer told me about 926 00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:36.280 and he found sixteen inch footprints after the siding, and 927 00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:39.039 he said, I can't say anything about this. He said, 928 00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:42.000 I'll show you the area, said, I'll tell you what happened. 929 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:45.400 I investigated it and it was a pretty wild one. 930 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:48.800 It was guys hunting squirrels and they one of the 931 00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:54.719 young men came up upon one. Basically they charged him 932 00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:57.880 and then that moment of charging, this kid sunk to 933 00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:59.599 his knees, even though he had a shotgun in his 934 00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:02.320 last up and had total fear, And as they took 935 00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:06.880 off through the woods, screaming like a babin and his 936 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:11.119 friend saw it too, and his friends thought he just 937 00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:14.119 picked up his gun and ran home about three miles. 938 00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:16.840 In fact, they couldn't find him right away, and they 939 00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:19.119 thought once it happened to him and he was at home, 940 00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:22.719 and they kept him apart in the conservation officer that 941 00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:25.639 got called and investigated it, he kept them apart and 942 00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:27.920 both had them both draw pictures of what they'd seen, 943 00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:30.840 and they drew the same thing. They weren't artists by 944 00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:33.239 any stretch of the imagination, but they drew the same thing. 945 00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:37.679 And that family moved out of that area. It's it's 946 00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:39.960 I didn't get there in two minutes from my house 947 00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:42.559 this course that this happened in. 948 00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:46.440 So that's awesome. 949 00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:50.559 Morning outside and hear it sounds that I couldn't explain 950 00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:53.320 what they were not my back door. 951 00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:58.920 Yeah, I've heard various different sounds, screams, you know, I mean, 952 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:01.920 you know, I've I've heard different howls. I heard whoops 953 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:04.400 and you know, but a lot of howls, you know, 954 00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:07.119 I get a lot of that, like the sound off 955 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:10.039 at night. Uh bart, I was a very famous in 956 00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:11.199 my area. They're very common. 957 00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:16.960 Yeah, several of my back. Well. Bob Jackson, the y 958 00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:19.480 Elston Park ranger, when he described the screams that they 959 00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:22.039 had heard, he was he was on horseback with a 960 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:25.760 talking to a guide to hunting guide and basically he 961 00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:28.679 described as this sound came out of a valley, sound 962 00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:31.840 like a thousand elk going to their death. He said, 963 00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:33.840 there's no animal there that he knew of. They could 964 00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:37.880 have made the gott in that volume or the length 965 00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:41.159 of the scream, that amount of power that he was 966 00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:44.599 aware of. And all the trail crews in Yellowstone National 967 00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:49.039 Park fine footprints and sea things. And when they had 968 00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:51.360 the big fires in Yellowstone, I said, how many years ago? 969 00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:53.239 He said, for about five or six years ago. That 970 00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:55.840 for five or six years excuse me, they weren't reported, 971 00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:02.039 but they came back and there they see him in 972 00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:06.360 Yellowstone from time to time. I told Jim, Bob told me. 973 00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:09.320 He said, the place is table mountain T A B 974 00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:13.400 L E. So that's the area. Let's go for vacation 975 00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:15.559 Yelstow National Park camping there. 976 00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:19.880 Nice. Now you mentioned you know you're talking about how 977 00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.599 law enforcement. You know, some law enforcement have seen things, 978 00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:26.599 are you. I'm sure you're familiar with the Beast of 979 00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:29.199 Whitehall that was featured on the Monster Quest. 980 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:33.239 I think so that one Bender Nagel was in. 981 00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:36.599 I can't remember if he was in it, and you 982 00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:39.880 may have been. Yeah, the white Hall, New York. The 983 00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:43.639 police officer who actually had the sighting in nineteen seventy six. 984 00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:49.360 His name is Paul Goslin. Yeah, yeah, he was the 985 00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:52.400 police officer back then. I was recently contacted by his 986 00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:56.880 wife and she which I was like, I was kind 987 00:57:56.920 --> 00:57:59.480 of like, whoa, okay, you know, her name is Sue, 988 00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:02.639 Sue got Sutling, and she gave me a run back. 989 00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:05.320 She messaged me through my my event page for the 990 00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:08.719 conference that we're having this coming this year here, and 991 00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:11.639 you know she was she checked it over and she 992 00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:14.360 was telling me how impressive she was the way everything's looking. 993 00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:16.199 And she explained to. 994 00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:17.119 Me who she was. 995 00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:20.480 I mean, she introduced herself, said hey, mom, my husband 996 00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:23.039 was the police officer that was featured on Monster Quest 997 00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:26.039 who had a sighting back in nineteen seventy six. It's 998 00:58:26.119 --> 00:58:30.000 known as the Beast of Whitehall and and she mentioned 999 00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:31.639 that they have a book coming out. They have a 1000 00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:33.719 new book coming out. It's you know, based off the 1001 00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:36.920 true story and everything, and uh, yeah, it's all on 1002 00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:40.760 a true story. Actually excuse me. And she had actually 1003 00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:43.920 asked if they could attend to our event and I 1004 00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:50.440 was like, yeah, absolutely, you know, I mean I want book. Yeah, 1005 00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:54.559 I mean, I'm booked on speakers. But I told her, 1006 00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:56.199 I said, you tell I told her. I said, I'll 1007 00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:57.920 tell you what. I will fit you in there. I'll 1008 00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:00.400 get you in there. You guys go have a table 1009 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:04.280 and in the early you know, I said I could 1010 00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:06.159 get you know, if Paul wants to come up and 1011 00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:08.559 say a few words, I'll be glad to throw him 1012 00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:10.360 in there in the early part of the day one. 1013 00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:13.079 You know, we have a two day conference. So I said, 1014 00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:14.760 I'll definitely fit him in there. I said, that would 1015 00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:17.079 be great to have him there. You know, you know 1016 00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:19.480 the band that was featured on the Monster Quest, you know, 1017 00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:22.039 and you know it's to me, it's a famous New 1018 00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:25.360 York you know, you know documentary and sighting, you know, 1019 00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.280 so the Beast of Whitehall. So so yeah, we got 1020 00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:31.599 Paul Goslin, the police officer and his wife they'll come 1021 00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:33.920 down to sell their books and you know, speak a 1022 00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:36.280 few words on everything, which I thought would be pretty cool. 1023 00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:40.400 So but well, I did I have film Monster Quest. 1024 00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:42.599 It never aired because I made fun of him the 1025 00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:47.000 whole time. Oh man, I said, now the hell you 1026 00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:50.280 guys talking bigfoot with with a catering crew, a light 1027 00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:55.000 guy and a sound guy. Uh, you know this big 1028 00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:58.280 crew and it ain't gonna happen. See And he told 1029 00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:01.639 me I was so bad. She said, they came because 1030 01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:05.000 they were here at my house, a crew from Minnesota, 1031 01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:08.039 and they come down and they did a couple I 1032 01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:10.320 did turn them onto a couple of good witnesses and 1033 01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:12.760 they filmed them. But they said, what do you think 1034 01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:16.039 of our chances of going out and filming in Bigfoot? 1035 01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:18.599 I said about one in a million. I said, but 1036 01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:21.159 if I if I thought that you would and I 1037 01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:23.039 was going to take you there and thought that she 1038 01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:25.960 might have a chance to get a film of a bigfoot, 1039 01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:28.920 I said, I'd already have an arrangement made with you. 1040 01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:31.679 She said, well, what was that? I said, you would 1041 01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:35.960 only one million dollars, because that's probably what that film 1042 01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:39.920 would be worth. It was worth a whoon. They just 1043 01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:42.280 got mad, and they didn't run none of the footages 1044 01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:45.159 we shot because I made I made fun of him. 1045 01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:48.000 I thought it was dumb. It's about like finding Bigfoot, 1046 01:00:48.440 --> 01:00:52.360 you know. It's I had ideas for Bigfoot shows thirty 1047 01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:54.159 years ago, and then all of a sudden, now it's 1048 01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:58.559 become like I don't know, it's become a phenomenon, which 1049 01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:00.920 I think is great. I think a lot of people 1050 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:02.480 if they want to go look for big so whatever 1051 01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:03.960 takes it gets them in the woods and out in 1052 01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:06.320 front of a computer. I'm all for. 1053 01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:10.199 Oh yeah, yeah, brother, absolutely. 1054 01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:12.719 I said, anything gets you in contact with mother Nature. 1055 01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:16.599 I said, you see, you're not gonna be thinking about it. 1056 01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:20.880 You're gonna be entranced on something else. And this is 1057 01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:24.079 gonna become completely by accident if it ever happens. 1058 01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:27.639 But you don't go for what, We'll tell you what, Larry, 1059 01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:30.800 I have more questions, but uh, you know, I'm gonna 1060 01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:35.599 let we have Zach Strick in here, and uh, I'm sorry, Zach, 1061 01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:38.800 I've been I put the poor guy on hold, but 1062 01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:40.440 I know he's got a few things he wants to 1063 01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:42.280 get up there, you know, and probably throw in there 1064 01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:45.480 to be part of this. So Zach, you're now live 1065 01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:48.480 with us, So if you have any questions or anything 1066 01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:50.920 you want to ask, Larry, go ahead, Zack. 1067 01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:57.719 Well, first off, mister Batson, it's a very nice finally 1068 01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:01.400 meet you. And I mean I mean all that I mean, Larry, 1069 01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:05.360 you're not not even two hundred miles away from what 1070 01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:09.480 my base of operations is with my team in southern Illinois. 1071 01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:16.480 I'm from round Carbondale, Illinois. If you know where that's at, yeah, 1072 01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:22.199 And I mean you could tell and you probably will 1073 01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:27.440 agree with me that in you and my part, between 1074 01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:30.039 you and me, where you're from in Indiana and where 1075 01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:33.039 I'm at here in Illinois, that it would be perfect 1076 01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:37.719 habitat for Bigfoot to hide out because there's a Shawne 1077 01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:40.519 National Force between you and me, there's the Garden of 1078 01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:43.639 the Gods and a whole bunch of things. And especially 1079 01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:48.119 right here in south Illinois where the rivers intersect, where 1080 01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:53.199 Ohio River and Mississippi River meet, it's prim trafic corridor. 1081 01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:57.000 Well, I've had the snakes in those areas. 1082 01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:05.559 Yeah, we got Tama rattlers, copper heads. 1083 01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:08.039 Uh, Now. 1084 01:03:11.400 --> 01:03:15.440 I know wild area. I have a I've collected reptiles 1085 01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:16.559 and know that area before. 1086 01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:20.599 So Hey, Zach, real quick, sitting out in you? Are 1087 01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:25.280 you sitting out in your truck tack? Yeah, I hear 1088 01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:26.679 a lot of wind in your microphone. 1089 01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:30.880 Well that's because I'm breathing in it to it. I've 1090 01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:32.719 got it on speakerphone where I can sit here and 1091 01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:33.800 lessen and relax. 1092 01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:38.119 Oh okay, you don't have to speak so close to 1093 01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:40.960 it them. That's why. That's why I use a headset. 1094 01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:45.079 I'm hands free, but it's kind. 1095 01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:47.159 Of hard when people steal your headsets. 1096 01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:51.880 Well, it's no different if I was gonna sit out 1097 01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:53.480 in my miniv and I have a I have a 1098 01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:55.679 phone mount that's mounted. It's my windshields, so you know 1099 01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:57.880 that when I do my Facebook rides when I'm driving. 1100 01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:06.400 But just a suggestion, But getting back to what. 1101 01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:10.639 Larry was talking about where people get drug out of 1102 01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:15.719 their tents and how a sasquatch could be an aggressive creature, 1103 01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:23.559 I wholehardly agree. And Larry, you, being a researcher for wildlife, 1104 01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:26.079 you can agree with me whenever I say this, and 1105 01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:29.400 Daniel tell you I've said this plenty of times that 1106 01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:34.800 any kind of creature, whether it be human or animal, 1107 01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:37.559 if you back them into a corner, or you get 1108 01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:39.960 between them and they're young, you're gonna have a fight 1109 01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:40.679 on your hands. 1110 01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:45.199 Oh yeah, I've got a possibly've rescued. It'll kick your 1111 01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:46.079 ass in a minute. 1112 01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:53.199 I mean, I've seen that. I'm a cattle farmer, and 1113 01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:56.679 I'm a cattle farmer here in southern Illinois, and I 1114 01:04:56.760 --> 01:05:00.239 have forty head of black angus limousine and charolete. 1115 01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:01.239 Her for cat. 1116 01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:05.280 And I know I know that firsthand. You get between 1117 01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:08.679 another cow and her calf and she'll mow you down 1118 01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:11.440 and make the dirt mop out of you. 1119 01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:14.480 Yeah, you get broken ribs at least out of the deal. 1120 01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:16.199 Oh I did. 1121 01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:19.519 I got was spun around by a cow about two 1122 01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:22.119 three weeks ago when we had one that had twins 1123 01:05:22.159 --> 01:05:23.880 and we was trying to get her and her other 1124 01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:26.320 calf up to the corral where we had the other 1125 01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:29.400 one that she abandoned, and I got between her and 1126 01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:31.880 that calf, and she spun me around a tree. 1127 01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:36.400 Oh, there's more people be hurt by cattle and horses 1128 01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:41.679 and all the wild animals combined like either one. 1129 01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:48.320 But right, I got a question for you. There's so 1130 01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:52.159 much speculation out there in the world or whenever it 1131 01:05:52.239 --> 01:05:55.119 comes to bigfoot. Where do you stand? Do you think 1132 01:05:55.239 --> 01:06:00.559 it's human orrella comminid? Do you think it's undiscovered ape? 1133 01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:01.760 Where's your take on this? 1134 01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:05.679 It's not an epe, it's not an ape. If it 1135 01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:08.880 was an ape, we do it. We have one, you know, 1136 01:06:08.920 --> 01:06:15.000 the zoological facility. By now it's it's above that what 1137 01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:17.960 it is. We're still not sure. You know, there's even 1138 01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:23.480 the talking I've heard there is of Nathander tal Caveman. 1139 01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:28.960 I don't know if that's you know, I think it's 1140 01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:31.760 in their subspecies of them, because you know, you get 1141 01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:36.880 into Canada, northern California, you hear more reports of the 1142 01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:40.679 larger species, and then you get down to the Florida, 1143 01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:44.719 the skun Caps where they're much smaller and a lot 1144 01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:47.199 of that runs. I'll take you the parallel is the 1145 01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:49.679 mountain lions. You know, you go to get in the Florida, 1146 01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:51.679 you got the Florida panther, it's a much smaller cat 1147 01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:57.679 twenty pounds. You get up in the western western part 1148 01:06:57.679 --> 01:06:59.400 of the country you get the mountain lions that go 1149 01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:03.159 close to two hundred pounds. And one theory that I've 1150 01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:05.320 always had about these getting I get off the subject 1151 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:09.159 so you excuse me, is that these things will track 1152 01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:13.119 a mountain lion and wait for the mountain lion to 1153 01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:17.000 make a kill, and then they'll move the mountain lion 1154 01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:21.239 off to kill and take it. Honestly, believe that's true. 1155 01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:24.480 I just think there's so much and for this for 1156 01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:27.079 a sasquatch, their mountain line to be easy to track 1157 01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:30.239 because they're so vocal, and when they make her kill, 1158 01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:36.960 they're so vocal that hell. So I see they're parallels 1159 01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:41.760 and they're so highly intelligent. You know they have they 1160 01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:45.840 have not only their vocalizations with screams and chibberish want up, 1161 01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:49.880 but they actually have they can mimic the emon voice. 1162 01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:54.280 I've got a friend who has a cabin up in 1163 01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:58.480 northern or northern Washington, right on the Canadian border, and 1164 01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:00.800 he was down at his neighbors. So they got this 1165 01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:05.079 big rottweiler. Well, his neighbor was aware of them as well. 1166 01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:08.880 They've been around his cabin too. They just living a 1167 01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:12.760 couple of miles apart. And one night they were sitting 1168 01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:15.920 standing on the porch and they could hear him in 1169 01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:18.119 the forest. They could hear him something moving to the forest. 1170 01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:23.680 So the Rottweiler gets down barely off of the porch 1171 01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:28.560 and just lets out this little growl. So they, you know, 1172 01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:32.680 they realize that's what's there. So they're standing there and 1173 01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:34.920 they're watching this dog with this low ground. All of 1174 01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:39.319 a sudden, out of the forest comes this vocalization. The 1175 01:08:39.399 --> 01:08:42.479 dog's name was Moody, and they said, if it as 1176 01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:46.000 clear as could be, they heard this thing going movely, movedly, 1177 01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:50.720 and you know, they thought, well, basically, it's trying to 1178 01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:53.560 call the dog, because there's a history of them hating dogs. 1179 01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:56.600 You know, they've taken German shepherds and blood outs and 1180 01:08:57.239 --> 01:09:00.359 killed them like by twisting them like a wet water shreg. 1181 01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:06.279 And so he said, after they'd heard that, they said, 1182 01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:08.800 that just screwed everything all up. They said, now we 1183 01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:11.239 alburt for sure. We don't know what we're dealing with. 1184 01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:14.239 And they just went into the cabin and turned off 1185 01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:15.359 all the lights for the ninth. 1186 01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:22.079 Yeah, you were talking about how they disliked dogs greatly. 1187 01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:28.159 I have a show on YouTube called Backwards Investigations, and 1188 01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:33.960 and I invite on and I interview guests. That's researchers 1189 01:09:34.039 --> 01:09:37.880 in the topic of bigfoot, dog man, other types of cryptids, 1190 01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:43.239 and the one guy I had on it was sometime 1191 01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:46.880 last year, late last year in December named Rich Daniels 1192 01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:49.880 out in New Mexico, and he was talking about whenever 1193 01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:52.560 he goes and he wants to make sure that they 1194 01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:56.239 stay out of his camp, he'll go to a local 1195 01:09:56.359 --> 01:09:59.319 groomer and get a trash bag of dog hare and 1196 01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:02.199 he'll sit it out and just let the scent of 1197 01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:04.279 that dog hair go out and it keeps him out 1198 01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:10.399 of his camp. And back in twenty sixteen, I had 1199 01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:12.960 my cousin Kyle with me and we did our first 1200 01:10:13.039 --> 01:10:19.039 annual bigfoot camp out on my farm, and we had 1201 01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:23.720 a neighbor's dog come with us. She's a blue tick. 1202 01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:28.159 And I agree that they don't really care for dogs 1203 01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:32.680 and that they feel like it's a territorial encroachment whenever 1204 01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:35.239 they're close to a dog or dogs close to them. 1205 01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:38.760 Him and me had the dog out with us on 1206 01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:42.880 a night hunt, and the dog would get away from us. 1207 01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:45.920 She'd go maybe about ten twenty yards beller and come 1208 01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:50.479 back and she would be trailing something, and we followed 1209 01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:53.439 her all night, but then we sat down to take 1210 01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:57.880 about five five minutes, we sat down on stump, and 1211 01:10:57.960 --> 01:11:00.600 we shut all our lights off and she got away 1212 01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:02.960 from us. And then when she started doing that bow 1213 01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:08.920 of that boom, and she got and then I said, 1214 01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:11.800 come here, Sally, come here, girl, And I started snapping 1215 01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:16.520 my fingers and whistling, and then all of a sudden. 1216 01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:17.600 We heard like a. 1217 01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:23.199 And it sounded like something that hit her. It sounded 1218 01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:27.319 like someone slapped her open hand across a face. And 1219 01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:29.800 she let out a yelp, and she come running back 1220 01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:32.319 and she had a bit of a limp to her. 1221 01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:35.399 She got underneath me and my cousin Kyle's legs and 1222 01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:38.399 head and she wouldn't come out. And then that's when 1223 01:11:38.920 --> 01:11:44.720 stuff started happening around us. She will not leave camp 1224 01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:47.680 and unless one of us went with her, and she 1225 01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:49.560 would sleep right next to the fire ring. 1226 01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:55.359 Yeah, dogs won't track them. That's been tried. They will not. 1227 01:11:55.720 --> 01:11:59.800 And I've heard of bloodhounds being drowned in the sixth 1228 01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:05.199 is of water that was down Arkansas or something basically 1229 01:12:05.359 --> 01:12:07.600 in the bloodhou is a big damn dog. I mean 1230 01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:10.239 that's a big you know. And they're pretty tough. 1231 01:12:11.319 --> 01:12:13.359 And four the fishes too wanted to provoked. 1232 01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:17.319 Oh yeah, so for one to be drowned six inches 1233 01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:19.640 of water. You know, you know, it's had to me 1234 01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:23.239 something pretty powerful to do that. Yeah, they they don't 1235 01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:24.720 like dogs because there. 1236 01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:30.760 Yeah, those in the ass. There was another report. It's 1237 01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:33.319 actually happened about an hour and a half east of 1238 01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:37.920 me in Louisa County here in Virginia, and I was 1239 01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:41.239 notified about it by this girl I went to school with. 1240 01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:45.800 It was her uncle's property. And and the thing is 1241 01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:48.319 she sent me pictures, She sent me some you know, 1242 01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:52.960 there was foot tracks that they found going across the property. 1243 01:12:53.479 --> 01:12:57.479 And what happened was before her uncle found these foot tracks, 1244 01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:01.439 what led to him looking around was he wanted to 1245 01:13:01.479 --> 01:13:03.840 go check on his dog's, feed his dogs or something. 1246 01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:07.079 Now keep in mind, his dogs were on chains and 1247 01:13:07.159 --> 01:13:10.039 the chains were you know, you know, they were in 1248 01:13:10.119 --> 01:13:13.319 spikes that went into the ground. Both of his dogs 1249 01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:16.000 were gone and the chains were gone, the spikes were gone. 1250 01:13:16.039 --> 01:13:21.680 Everything was gone. And I wanted to investigate that so bad. 1251 01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:27.239 But she contacted me back. She said, you know, when 1252 01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:30.800 the police came to investigate, somehow Billy Willard got ahold 1253 01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:34.000 of that report. So once he got into it and 1254 01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:35.920 got started with it, I said, no, I left it alone. 1255 01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:38.720 I didn't want to interfere. So Billy Willard did a 1256 01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:43.159 big report and actually posted several tracks and photos relating 1257 01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:46.079 to that situation. And the funny thing is, not only 1258 01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:48.119 did I know the girl who you know, I went 1259 01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:50.079 to school with her and I actually used to work 1260 01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:53.600 for her uncle. I did mesary work, you know, And 1261 01:13:53.720 --> 01:13:56.159 so I said, yeah, I would have loved to get 1262 01:13:56.239 --> 01:13:57.640 up there if I had the first shot at it. 1263 01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:00.199 But so, but you know that was interesting is that, 1264 01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:02.680 you know, like I said, the dogs are missing. I mean, 1265 01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:05.159 the all the evidence they have is the you know, 1266 01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:08.159 the humanoid looking foot tracks you know on the property 1267 01:14:08.199 --> 01:14:09.039 going across the field. 1268 01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:11.199 You know, Well that's pretty good evidence. 1269 01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:13.880 I mean, yeah, they don't. 1270 01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:20.199 Yeah, I've heard where a guy, uh just got back 1271 01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:23.560 from Vietnam, went on a fishing trip with his nephew 1272 01:14:23.680 --> 01:14:27.039 up in northern Indiana and he took along his dog. 1273 01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:29.600 A similar incident. They were sleeping in a tent one 1274 01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:32.760 night and heard something rumbling around their camp and the 1275 01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:35.680 dog bolted out and heard the thumb or had been 1276 01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:38.000 hit and run back in the tent. Wouldn't go back out. Well, 1277 01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:41.439 this is a tack trained German shepherd and it was 1278 01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:44.279 completely buffaloed by whatever it was. Well, they saw it. 1279 01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:46.000 I mean they got a pretty damn good look. 1280 01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:46.239 At it, so. 1281 01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:49.680 They knew what did it for the dog. 1282 01:14:53.520 --> 01:15:02.079 Absolutely that you brought up a about it being the 1283 01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:03.880 sasquatch being. 1284 01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:09.399 Uh relic hominid. This is a theory that me and 1285 01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:15.960 my neighbor who's a got a PhD in psychology. He 1286 01:15:16.399 --> 01:15:18.880 used to be a psychologist and a medical doctor and 1287 01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:23.079 he's from India. And Daniel, you've heard me talk about 1288 01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:27.039 this a couple of times. The Homo heidelbergainst Us uh 1289 01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:34.520 origin theory. Well, what him and me believe is that 1290 01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:40.079 this is just a theory is that scientists believe that 1291 01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:46.600 Homo sapiens, Homo Neanderthalensis all stem from Homo Huddelbergenstus. But 1292 01:15:48.520 --> 01:15:54.840 the Neanderthals went to uh, the Homo sapiens went to Africa. 1293 01:15:56.119 --> 01:16:01.640 What about in Asia? If we point the term home 1294 01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:07.920 old megapodentis for Bigfoot in Latin, what if that's where 1295 01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:13.079 home omegapodentis or Bigfoot went to because some of the 1296 01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:17.239 farthest back reports that have been reported throughout history started 1297 01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:17.800 in Asia. 1298 01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:23.680 Well, it's it's it's just speculation. I mean, you know 1299 01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:27.039 it's it's I speculate a lot too. We can't we 1300 01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:29.239 can't identify this thing that we have a part of one. 1301 01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:32.920 I mean even John Green said, if you if one 1302 01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:34.399 ever is killed in the field, you don't have to 1303 01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:37.039 bring the whole body out. Let's bring a part of it, 1304 01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:39.920 you know, the head, the hen. Of course, I'm not. 1305 01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:42.880 I'm not interested on killing one because I'm sure once 1306 01:16:42.920 --> 01:16:45.359 they're proven to exist, I think all hellibury lose. 1307 01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:48.800 You know, yeah, that's what happens with Gorilla. 1308 01:16:50.359 --> 01:16:51.720 Gorilla was completely. 1309 01:16:54.439 --> 01:16:55.079 No, I don't. 1310 01:16:55.119 --> 01:16:58.000 I don't think they should be killed. I don't know 1311 01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:02.079 smart enough to be a legend for ever. I don't 1312 01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:06.239 what's what's the advantage of identifying the species? They'll just 1313 01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:09.520 give Basically what it would do is all the people 1314 01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:11.119 that have seen him and just say, oh, I guess 1315 01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:13.159 I was right. Well if I saw one and got 1316 01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:14.840 a damn good look at it, and I know I 1317 01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:24.560 was right, so you know I have so that's uh. Yeah, 1318 01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:28.640 but I know I don't think we should kill one. 1319 01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:32.000 I'm like my wife's the same theories. You leave them alone. 1320 01:17:33.079 --> 01:17:36.800 You know, we've lost a lot of species. We've discovered 1321 01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:41.760 and kill. But I'm not for I'm thinking that a 1322 01:17:41.800 --> 01:17:43.640 bunch of hunters could go in and track one down, 1323 01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:46.039 because they've tried that already but not too much success, 1324 01:17:47.800 --> 01:17:49.479 you know, couples. 1325 01:17:51.239 --> 01:17:53.279 Oh yeah, I was just gonna ask, you know, for 1326 01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:55.600 out there. I know one of the biggest things. You know, 1327 01:17:56.119 --> 01:17:58.359 a lot of people ask, is big foot aggressive? Are 1328 01:17:58.399 --> 01:18:01.000 they you know? Or are they you know? Uh? You know? 1329 01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:04.840 And I know there's reports of them being aggressive, uh 1330 01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:09.399 you know, and then both being curious and you know, 1331 01:18:09.479 --> 01:18:13.479 I've heard a few of people the aggression before twice. 1332 01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:16.000 But oh damn sure, for certain they are. 1333 01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:17.159 Yeah. 1334 01:18:17.319 --> 01:18:19.359 And I know you had a story you share that 1335 01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:22.119 you learned about that you were called about over in Ohio. 1336 01:18:22.479 --> 01:18:26.920 I recall you talking about that story that was pretty interesting. Yeah. 1337 01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:31.880 Is that homeowners still there, the one who kept having 1338 01:18:33.319 --> 01:18:38.960 Yeah he's still there, Yeah, okay, still receiving activity over there. 1339 01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:43.520 Well, they do. It's it's it's filled up a lot 1340 01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:45.439 since he's moved there. When he was there, he was 1341 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:47.640 about the only one that lived in that area. You know, 1342 01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:49.439 they build a home in the middle of nowhere. That's 1343 01:18:49.439 --> 01:18:52.319 what he's an outdoors and that's what he wanted, he thought. 1344 01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:57.800 But and now the people build homes in that area 1345 01:18:57.840 --> 01:19:01.039 and that stuff happens to him. He received so much 1346 01:19:02.960 --> 01:19:06.800 harassment after he went to papers and TV and let 1347 01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:12.640 people know what and he now people talk, try to 1348 01:19:12.720 --> 01:19:14.800 talk about it. He won't, you know, he just laughs 1349 01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:16.760 at him. He just looks. He says, oh, good luck 1350 01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:19.760 with that. He says he'll send on his porch. He 1351 01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:22.399 says he'll send all his porch. He said he hadn't 1352 01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:25.119 one neighbor. He called him nature boy to build a 1353 01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:27.319 home want and keep all the trees and everything up 1354 01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:32.600 wild around it. And he said he sounds portrayal. And 1355 01:19:32.680 --> 01:19:35.000 I could hear the screams coming down by nature Boy's 1356 01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:37.119 house and all the lights come on. Before he knew 1357 01:19:37.159 --> 01:19:39.640 he was cutting down trees and bowing his grass and 1358 01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:42.399 making things a little more civilized. 1359 01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:44.159 I guess, wow. 1360 01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:46.079 So he just laughs about it now. But I'll tell 1361 01:19:46.119 --> 01:19:48.760 you what he when I when I when he when 1362 01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:50.680 I was first contacted by him, and he told me 1363 01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:52.399 some of the stuff that had happened. I had to 1364 01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:55.399 go up and talk to him in person, and he 1365 01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:59.399 basically had had a journal put together that when I 1366 01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:02.239 looked at the journal and he had dates and everything 1367 01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:07.560 had happened, complete analysis of the stories, picture of the 1368 01:20:07.560 --> 01:20:09.720 foot prints he found around his house and so forth, 1369 01:20:09.800 --> 01:20:14.319 and articles in the paper from the area. And I 1370 01:20:14.399 --> 01:20:16.479 told him, I said, man, this is amazing. I said, 1371 01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:19.479 I wish I could have a chance to read this all. 1372 01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:22.560 And his wife just flat told me, she said, if 1373 01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:24.159 you give me a couple of weeks, i'll type it 1374 01:20:24.199 --> 01:20:26.600 all out and send it to you. And she did. 1375 01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:31.239 And I'll say, well, it's a book in itself. I 1376 01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:33.199 can hear him one of the top authorities in the 1377 01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:36.039 whole country on this subject. And I've tried to talk 1378 01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:38.600 to first, I said, I told him, I said, I'm 1379 01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:41.079 going to be up I did the Chattaqua length Bigfoot 1380 01:20:41.119 --> 01:20:44.000 conference years ago. I said, that's not far from you. 1381 01:20:44.159 --> 01:20:46.159 I said, you ought to come over. No, not interested, 1382 01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:50.000 not interested at all. And in fact, I had a 1383 01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:53.840 film crew going to go up to that area and 1384 01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:57.880 do a film and his house is going to be 1385 01:20:57.960 --> 01:21:01.000 home base. And the night before we were to go, 1386 01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:03.800 he called me says, I'm pulling out. Not interested in 1387 01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:07.600 having all that up here. No way, No, don't want 1388 01:21:07.640 --> 01:21:07.880 to do it. 1389 01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:13.079 So, yeah, that's interesting because I'm obviously within an hour 1390 01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:13.560 from there. 1391 01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:17.800 I'm between the Expo and Connie. That's that's where I reside. 1392 01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:22.399 Oh really, yeah, it's not as wild as it once was. 1393 01:21:22.520 --> 01:21:24.520 But I'll tell you what. He had so much stuff 1394 01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:27.479 happened to him, and he had seen it several times. 1395 01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:29.439 In fact, when you talked about the thing rocking back 1396 01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:31.600 and forth, he observed that one night he was on 1397 01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:35.800 his back patio and he had one security light and 1398 01:21:36.119 --> 01:21:39.600 it was it was late, you know, on that security light, 1399 01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:41.800 and he could see something in the darkness. He couldn't 1400 01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:43.239 make anything out, you know, you kind of when you 1401 01:21:43.319 --> 01:21:45.279 look at the darkness and the veins are moving, you 1402 01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:47.920 can't tell what the hell it is. And all of 1403 01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:50.319 a sudden it walked underneath the light, and that light 1404 01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:52.960 cascaded over its head and shoulders, and he watched it 1405 01:21:53.039 --> 01:21:56.319 and just stood there and rock back and forth, looking 1406 01:21:56.359 --> 01:21:59.840 at him, breathing real low. Then after about two or 1407 01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:01.760 three three minutes, it just took a step back and 1408 01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:03.640 into the forest and he couldn't see anymore, and it 1409 01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:07.439 took off, and his guest dem in on that one 1410 01:22:07.560 --> 01:22:11.960 was about eight feet tall, I believe, but he said 1411 01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:16.000 nothing told him that he was this thing down another 1412 01:22:16.039 --> 01:22:18.600 thing I need to explain. They're not afraid of us 1413 01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:23.920 at all. And I totally believe that if they think 1414 01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:26.640 you're going to do anything that affects their freedom or 1415 01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:28.319 their lives, they'll kill you. 1416 01:22:29.359 --> 01:22:31.239 Yeah, that's back to life. 1417 01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:35.760 They are here and they are aggressive. And he told 1418 01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:37.920 me there was well then two incidents. He had a 1419 01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:40.000 big one in there that he was totally afraid of. 1420 01:22:40.640 --> 01:22:44.520 He wouldn't go back out without any firearm. And the 1421 01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:49.279 report I was out a mortgam and Roe State Force 1422 01:22:49.359 --> 01:22:53.439 in southern Indiana of one that was leaving a god 1423 01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:57.840 with a twenty one inch footprint, a huge monster thing. 1424 01:22:58.319 --> 01:22:59.880 And the guy that lived in that house that had 1425 01:22:59.880 --> 01:23:06.159 all visit dealings with them several several times, he said, 1426 01:23:06.239 --> 01:23:11.199 when that thing was around, he said, uh, the smaller 1427 01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:14.079 ones he'd never heard or saw. He said, this thing 1428 01:23:14.199 --> 01:23:16.560 was something something else. He said, it was a whole 1429 01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:18.960 different deal. Hold. 1430 01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:22.880 So what do you believe their take is when they're 1431 01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:26.159 you know, because a lot of them, you know, you know, 1432 01:23:26.199 --> 01:23:28.640 they like to stay hidden. They don't like to reveal themselves, 1433 01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:31.560 although people do have sightings. I mean, do you believe 1434 01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:34.039 they just don't want to be bothered? Pretty much on 1435 01:23:34.079 --> 01:23:34.560 the most part. 1436 01:23:34.680 --> 01:23:39.239 Absolutely, Yeah, absolutely, it's no different than the gorilla's up 1437 01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:44.359 in the mountain gorilla is up in uh In in Africa. 1438 01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:47.800 The people that take you back to see the mountain gorillas, 1439 01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:50.319 they're not easy to find. They don't want to be bothered. 1440 01:23:50.640 --> 01:23:53.920 The same thing as the ide apes. They don't want 1441 01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:58.079 to be you know. Now, let's they're you know, like 1442 01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:02.000 Macacus and you figuring out that people will feed them 1443 01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:04.880 for the tourist industry in India and other parts of 1444 01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:07.760 Indonesia where they come and take food. But most of 1445 01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:11.520 your primates don't want to be bothered by us. Yeah, 1446 01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:16.359 And I don't find them, especially your great apes, your gorilla's, 1447 01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:22.560 your chimps, your bonobo's gibbons, they don't you know. 1448 01:24:23.960 --> 01:24:26.920 So as far as speculation, not to put you on 1449 01:24:27.039 --> 01:24:29.520 the spot, what do you believe they. 1450 01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:33.720 Are, Well, we don't know. I just be you know, 1451 01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:36.000 I just be talking out. I think the species in 1452 01:24:36.079 --> 01:24:38.560 its own I think it's it's like I've said, it's 1453 01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:40.680 not an ape that we would like. I said, we 1454 01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:43.399 would have had one already. It's not an ape. And 1455 01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:47.079 they have too many human like features. Some of the 1456 01:24:47.159 --> 01:24:51.359 faces are described ape like. Sometimes the faces arescribed a 1457 01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:54.560 human like, so it's you know, they're like us. They 1458 01:24:54.600 --> 01:24:59.399 all look different because that's sophisticated of an animal. They 1459 01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:03.439 all look they all have different facial features. So you know, 1460 01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:05.439 somebody comes up with a picture they think, well, this 1461 01:25:05.560 --> 01:25:07.000 is what they look like. No, it's not what they 1462 01:25:07.079 --> 01:25:09.520 look like. That's no, they all look different. They all 1463 01:25:09.560 --> 01:25:15.640 have different faces, different buildings. Some are massive summer I've 1464 01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:18.000 heard of reports of these Spinley ones that they said 1465 01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:21.560 weren't really that heavy at all, and weren't that pig 1466 01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:25.039 And so they're all different. They're like us, so they're 1467 01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:29.439 closer to us, probably more than apes. The hair development's just. 1468 01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:33.279 For survival, yeah, I mean they live in. 1469 01:25:33.399 --> 01:25:39.359 Some pretty talking well brain and whether we've had twenty 1470 01:25:39.399 --> 01:25:43.680 five below zero windshield here here lately, so. 1471 01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:48.079 Pain brother, Well. 1472 01:25:48.079 --> 01:25:51.119 Just think about this. That what a tough sn of 1473 01:25:51.159 --> 01:25:53.119 a bitch they must be to be out twenty four 1474 01:25:53.159 --> 01:25:53.520 to seven. 1475 01:25:54.680 --> 01:25:56.119 Oh yeah, think about that's true? 1476 01:25:57.680 --> 01:26:01.960 I mean layer how much. I mean you got to 1477 01:26:01.960 --> 01:26:04.800 imagine how thick the hair is on those things that 1478 01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:07.239 makes them look so massive for them to be stable, 1479 01:26:07.319 --> 01:26:09.720 stay warm and subsidt or temperatures. 1480 01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:15.800 Well, and the reports of how quickly they move, you know, right, 1481 01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:17.760 big animal like that be able to move with that 1482 01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:21.880 dexterity and that quickness, and a lot of times and 1483 01:26:21.920 --> 01:26:24.920 people have seen that, seen how athletic they are, they think, 1484 01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:27.680 oh my god. Well, my friend in Ohio he said 1485 01:26:27.720 --> 01:26:31.439 he realized when he watched one run one time that 1486 01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:33.720 if he was in the woods and they wanted to 1487 01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:37.279 take him out, they could do it, no problem, no, 1488 01:26:37.520 --> 01:26:39.760 no question at all. They'd be on him. He'd be 1489 01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:41.600 dead before he realized. What has happened? 1490 01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:50.399 A question that just popped in my head. If they 1491 01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:54.279 could kill us at a moment's notice, if they wanted to, 1492 01:26:54.520 --> 01:26:57.560 and we would be completely in their power, how come 1493 01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:02.560 there hasn't been no like a reported kill. Most people 1494 01:27:02.600 --> 01:27:05.600 will be seeing them in a group. A group of 1495 01:27:05.600 --> 01:27:09.960 people would see a massive sasquatch and that thing would 1496 01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:14.600 go and have a chance to take one or all 1497 01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:16.520 of them out. I mean, I'm pretty sure that a 1498 01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:20.000 sasquatch could kill a group of five to ten people 1499 01:27:20.199 --> 01:27:22.840 no problem, with just a single blow to each person. 1500 01:27:23.279 --> 01:27:26.399 Do you think it would be intimidation by strength and 1501 01:27:26.479 --> 01:27:30.079 numbers kind of factor or what's your. 1502 01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:30.439 Take on that. 1503 01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:33.279 I don't think that would happen. They were like all animals, 1504 01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:36.399 they don't kill them out. This is absolutely necessary. And 1505 01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:40.000 like I had told the report that I had gotten 1506 01:27:40.039 --> 01:27:42.840 out of that Indian reservation where those three young Native 1507 01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:49.319 Americans were killed running salmon lines. You know, apparently they 1508 01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:52.119 were up to something else that got there, got them 1509 01:27:52.159 --> 01:27:56.119 into trouble, caused one to be dismembered, one to be 1510 01:27:56.520 --> 01:27:59.000 buried underneath pile of rock, and one just literally be 1511 01:27:59.079 --> 01:28:03.319 beaten up against. So they must have had a damn 1512 01:28:03.399 --> 01:28:11.000 good reason for ittorial Yeah, you know, the woods is 1513 01:28:11.079 --> 01:28:13.560 full of bears. Bears could not take us out anytime 1514 01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:17.479 they wanted to. Yeah, we're nocomplish for a bear one 1515 01:28:17.560 --> 01:28:21.760 on one? Are you kidding me? It's swears for nothing. 1516 01:28:23.039 --> 01:28:25.800 It's like when I raised when I raised baby bears, 1517 01:28:25.920 --> 01:28:28.800 I don't never play with them because I don't want 1518 01:28:28.800 --> 01:28:31.520 them to know how strong I am. It's all intimidation, 1519 01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:35.079 you know. Want you snap your finger at him and 1520 01:28:35.439 --> 01:28:37.520 get him to back off, because they if they figure 1521 01:28:37.600 --> 01:28:41.000 figure out how strong you are, you're done. It's over. 1522 01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:41.520 Brother. 1523 01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:45.680 Yeah, absolutely, it's okay. 1524 01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:50.119 Here, here's here's analogy I'll put to you. Almost you know, 1525 01:28:50.239 --> 01:28:52.600 you're raised by your dad. Would you ever think no, 1526 01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:55.039 of course it's happened before, But would you ever think 1527 01:28:55.079 --> 01:29:00.079 I'm gonna just kick dad but tonight now because you 1528 01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:04.399 know he raised in and they totally you know he 1529 01:29:04.479 --> 01:29:07.760 has intimidated. Don't do that. Of course there are exceptions, 1530 01:29:07.880 --> 01:29:09.079 I mean, but. 1531 01:29:10.800 --> 01:29:17.199 Yeah, absolutely in California, we have time basically for one 1532 01:29:17.239 --> 01:29:19.880 more question, and I wanted to fill this one question out. 1533 01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:25.600 A lot of people believe that they're habituating and they're leaving, 1534 01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:28.479 you know, I believe leaving objects and gifts are out 1535 01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:32.239 there to me are fine to try to experiment, to 1536 01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:35.840 see interaction. And people like to leave food out there, 1537 01:29:35.880 --> 01:29:38.880 which I don't think that's quite a good idea. And 1538 01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:41.319 the other thing is, you know, when things are moved, 1539 01:29:41.359 --> 01:29:45.039 they're changed around or taken, you know, we you know, 1540 01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:49.439 people believe or they're assuming that sasquatch is interacting with them. 1541 01:29:50.600 --> 01:29:53.000 I have something I'm experimenting with a rock stack and 1542 01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:55.680 a feather. It's in it. When I've checked on it 1543 01:29:55.720 --> 01:29:59.479 every so often, I believe there has been interaction, you know. 1544 01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:01.760 And the thing that my take is if there is 1545 01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:04.560 real interaction, we don't you know, we don't know if 1546 01:30:04.600 --> 01:30:08.279 it's an animal or another person or you know whatever. 1547 01:30:08.520 --> 01:30:12.880 But but you know, I what'sh your take on habituating? 1548 01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:16.079 And you know, you know, I think people get misinterpret 1549 01:30:16.119 --> 01:30:20.560 what hipraituating really is. You know. But as far as interacting, 1550 01:30:20.720 --> 01:30:23.640 even gifting, having a gift in site, which are a 1551 01:30:23.640 --> 01:30:27.560 lot of them referred to it as Yeah, what's your 1552 01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:28.000 take on that? 1553 01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:32.439 As I mentioned earlier, they're not predictable. So to put 1554 01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:34.199 food down in there thinking they're going to come on 1555 01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:36.520 a regular basis and take have food, I don't. I 1556 01:30:36.600 --> 01:30:39.760 don't buy it, and not unless you're there to witness it, 1557 01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:43.239 to see what's happened that rock pile and that food 1558 01:30:43.279 --> 01:30:46.800 has been taken out of a tree. Uh, it means nothing. 1559 01:30:47.159 --> 01:30:49.439 I mean, you know, it's fun to speculate, you know, 1560 01:30:50.560 --> 01:30:52.439 if kids want to do it and think you're looking 1561 01:30:52.479 --> 01:30:54.439 for big fuck, Hey, go for it, brother gets you 1562 01:30:54.439 --> 01:30:57.720 in the wood, whatever takes kids. But you know, I 1563 01:30:57.800 --> 01:31:02.359 think that's that's too much speculation. Yeah, and it's supposed 1564 01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:06.880 to make I absolutely do not have any Uh, I 1565 01:31:06.960 --> 01:31:11.159 don't find any substance to anyone that's going the forest 1566 01:31:11.439 --> 01:31:14.560 basically say they see them every time or they have 1567 01:31:15.199 --> 01:31:20.319 now now they're too reclusive, they're too smart, they're too rare. 1568 01:31:21.279 --> 01:31:24.560 I just don't buy it. Yeah, not unless you've got 1569 01:31:24.920 --> 01:31:27.800 video or picture of them doing something like like I mentioned, 1570 01:31:27.880 --> 01:31:30.880 taking food or you know, set a camera by I'd 1571 01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:33.439 say put a game camera by it, but that don't 1572 01:31:33.479 --> 01:31:35.000 work because they can smell them. 1573 01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:36.800 You know. 1574 01:31:37.159 --> 01:31:39.760 Well they've found wolves can smell those damn game cameras, 1575 01:31:39.800 --> 01:31:41.079 so they're absolutely worthless. 1576 01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:43.199 Yeah, they over them. 1577 01:31:43.239 --> 01:31:47.920 Yeah, yeah, I mean, or like we said earlier, look 1578 01:31:47.960 --> 01:31:51.640 at look look what these things must be. They live 1579 01:31:51.920 --> 01:31:56.720 in the woods twenty four to seven, twenty four to seven, 1580 01:31:57.880 --> 01:32:00.960 they got to be bad. They add ombres. 1581 01:32:02.079 --> 01:32:07.520 Yeah, I mean they are. Yeah, And I'm just under. 1582 01:32:07.359 --> 01:32:09.760 The impression that if we build some time, if you 1583 01:32:09.840 --> 01:32:14.039 could build some type of trust with them, uh you know, 1584 01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:17.600 maybe you could get better interactions or game camera photos 1585 01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:18.119 or whatever. 1586 01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:20.920 Any problem with that, though they've dealt with too many 1587 01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:23.760 humans as pointed rifles at him. Of course, my main 1588 01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:26.600 thing about guys is put again on one. If I 1589 01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:28.239 don't kill it in the first shot, that's what goes 1590 01:32:28.279 --> 01:32:33.600 through their minds. So I guarantee you you may shoot 1591 01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:35.560 it that one, but there's two or three that you 1592 01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:37.640 don't see that's going to take you out right. 1593 01:32:37.720 --> 01:32:41.159 Then it's just like if you're shoot an injure a 1594 01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:46.279 bear and he runs, Yeah, he's gonna come. He's gonna 1595 01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:47.680 come circle back around and come get you. 1596 01:32:49.199 --> 01:32:52.720 Yeah, you know, go ahead, follow that blood trail after 1597 01:32:52.800 --> 01:32:53.720 you've wounded that bear. 1598 01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:55.439 Yeah. 1599 01:32:56.960 --> 01:32:59.640 Especially they can be a bear. They didn't even have 1600 01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:02.880 to be shot. They can charge you. Look rapping Tom 1601 01:33:02.960 --> 01:33:05.479 Moore about two years ago up in Montana where he 1602 01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:07.279 got mauled by that sound twice. 1603 01:33:08.680 --> 01:33:13.760 Yeah, I mean, and you know these these these sasquatches, 1604 01:33:13.840 --> 01:33:18.439 they're i'd considered they can bear temperament multiply by about twenty. 1605 01:33:20.840 --> 01:33:25.920 They absolutely have no patience, not zero. You know, if 1606 01:33:25.960 --> 01:33:28.239 you walked in the woods, he may have been seen 1607 01:33:29.239 --> 01:33:32.960 and not even realize you've been seen and observed. 1608 01:33:34.199 --> 01:33:34.960 Oh I believe that. 1609 01:33:36.119 --> 01:33:39.680 Oh I know it's true. You've been observed, and they 1610 01:33:39.800 --> 01:33:41.760 just decid, huh, I wonder what he's up to. Well, 1611 01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:43.319 they know what you're up to. They can tell by 1612 01:33:43.359 --> 01:33:46.880 watching what you're involved to do. And you know they 1613 01:33:47.199 --> 01:33:49.439 can't watch you for a couple of minutes and to think, 1614 01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:52.600 well he's looking for he's a hunters. So we're out 1615 01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:57.600 of here. And sports have I taken? How many reports 1616 01:33:57.640 --> 01:34:00.720 have I taken the people that deer and they've walked 1617 01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:02.439 up on the deer and the sasquatch come out of 1618 01:34:02.439 --> 01:34:04.319 the woods and toss the deer over his shoulder and 1619 01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:05.079 take off with it. 1620 01:34:08.239 --> 01:34:08.800 More than one. 1621 01:34:09.600 --> 01:34:09.840 Yeah. 1622 01:34:10.600 --> 01:34:13.399 Now, I got an email from a fellow that had 1623 01:34:13.479 --> 01:34:17.239 some He saw the two young ones look at him, 1624 01:34:17.239 --> 01:34:19.199 and then the older one showed up on the scene, 1625 01:34:19.279 --> 01:34:23.479 grabbed the deer, actively aggressive toward him, like Darren even 1626 01:34:23.560 --> 01:34:25.600 did not take the deer. And then they took the 1627 01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:32.079 deer and they all left. So it's interesting, you know, 1628 01:34:32.920 --> 01:34:36.880 fifty years of doner. But like John Green said, he said, 1629 01:34:36.920 --> 01:34:38.920 the longer you do it, the more questions you're going 1630 01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:39.159 to have. 1631 01:34:40.279 --> 01:34:42.479 Yeah, but what you gotta do is. 1632 01:34:42.479 --> 01:34:44.760 You got to find parallels. If you if you hear 1633 01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:47.880 a report, you got to think, how can I substantiate 1634 01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:50.680 this report, how can I make it, you know, take 1635 01:34:50.760 --> 01:34:56.079 some credibility to this report at all. So he's got 1636 01:34:56.199 --> 01:34:58.439 to find the parallels. You got to find something that 1637 01:34:59.039 --> 01:35:07.319 similar behavior. There's human, bear, whatever, gorilla. But I quite 1638 01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:10.560 finny when I'm doing a program of per se in 1639 01:35:10.600 --> 01:35:13.479 a library and given a lecture and guy comes up 1640 01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:16.319 to me and he says, I track one. I track 1641 01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:19.399 one in a minute if I saw one. Look, you know, 1642 01:35:19.479 --> 01:35:23.079 that's really easy to say in this library, well in 1643 01:35:23.439 --> 01:35:27.079 the middle of Columbus, Indiana. But if you're no woods 1644 01:35:28.600 --> 01:35:30.800 in the darkness, and you hear the bar owls and 1645 01:35:30.840 --> 01:35:33.840 the coyotes and you see one of these things, the 1646 01:35:34.079 --> 01:35:37.000 last thing that's going to go through your mind is 1647 01:35:37.199 --> 01:35:37.760 I'm going to. 1648 01:35:37.880 --> 01:35:40.960 Track that some bit that's going to happen. 1649 01:35:41.720 --> 01:35:42.920 It ain't gonna happen. 1650 01:35:44.199 --> 01:35:46.239 I'm in the area. 1651 01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:50.279 Well, there's at the truth, there's a lot of people 1652 01:35:50.479 --> 01:35:53.920 that because of their site has completely ruined their outdoor 1653 01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:57.800 experience that whenever they go in the woods, they're always 1654 01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:02.600 looking over their shoulder, and it's it's completely ruinedant for 1655 01:36:03.479 --> 01:36:06.840 completely you know. No, you know, well't like the fell 1656 01:36:06.880 --> 01:36:08.520 in Ohio. You won't go in the gun or go 1657 01:36:08.600 --> 01:36:11.319 into the woods to that a gun I've never even 1658 01:36:11.359 --> 01:36:14.520 carried again in my life. So that's kind of I 1659 01:36:14.680 --> 01:36:17.079 kind of think, man, you must be really intimidated. 1660 01:36:19.479 --> 01:36:25.720 So let's tell you what Larry. Before we go off 1661 01:36:25.760 --> 01:36:27.800 here here, I want to thank you for adding me 1662 01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:30.479 on your Facebook group. Larry the Animal guy and friends. 1663 01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:31.199 That's pretty cool. 1664 01:36:31.279 --> 01:36:33.920 Yeah, I tell everybody about that because we post lots 1665 01:36:33.960 --> 01:36:36.159 of great stuff about animals on it and our our 1666 01:36:36.199 --> 01:36:38.600 work we do through our schools. And I want to 1667 01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:41.479 mention too. I do have still have some DVDs left 1668 01:36:41.520 --> 01:36:44.039 from the US Station Wildlife Service program that we did 1669 01:36:44.920 --> 01:36:47.520 that they filmed. We did an hour long presentation. It 1670 01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:49.680 has stuff like the Patterson film on it stuff and 1671 01:36:49.680 --> 01:36:52.880 they're available through Larry the Animal If they messaged me, 1672 01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:54.560 I can tell them how to get one. 1673 01:36:55.600 --> 01:36:56.279 That's pretty cool. 1674 01:36:56.960 --> 01:36:59.399 It's a story bo I mean, it's absolutely like John 1675 01:36:59.439 --> 01:37:02.520 Green said, this is an historical moment for bigfoot researchers. 1676 01:37:03.680 --> 01:37:07.560 Yes, that's good information. That's good to know. So yeah, 1677 01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:11.079 I'll definitely I'll definitely give you your page to share 1678 01:37:11.119 --> 01:37:15.039 as well. So and Larry, I can't thank you enough 1679 01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:17.239 for Green to come on here and do this with us. 1680 01:37:17.560 --> 01:37:21.640 And it's been a yeah, it's been a pleasure on 1681 01:37:22.119 --> 01:37:24.239 you know, on my behalf and our behalf and the 1682 01:37:24.319 --> 01:37:27.439 listeners and and uh and for the people in the 1683 01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:30.279 live chat. I do apologize for not getting to the question. 1684 01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:32.760 There was questions on the live chat that I didn't 1685 01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:35.640 get I did not get to address, but uh maybe 1686 01:37:35.720 --> 01:37:41.279 perhaps another Yeah, one of the questions, let me scroll 1687 01:37:41.359 --> 01:37:46.359 back here because with a bunch of stuff here. Uh well, 1688 01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:50.079 it was from one individual back to back. The one 1689 01:37:50.199 --> 01:37:53.359 question was, so where do dead big bit where do 1690 01:37:53.560 --> 01:37:59.119 dead bigfoots go? And something about something about we have 1691 01:37:59.239 --> 01:38:01.600 no we have no skeletal skeletal evidence. 1692 01:38:03.079 --> 01:38:09.239 So the woods are filled with animals, filled with animals. 1693 01:38:10.239 --> 01:38:12.000 How many times do you walk through the woods do 1694 01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:16.680 you find a dead one? Mother nature is a good 1695 01:38:16.720 --> 01:38:17.840 way of getting rid of veins. 1696 01:38:18.800 --> 01:38:21.680 Oh yeah, and I've had. 1697 01:38:21.680 --> 01:38:24.800 More than one report of one being shot another one 1698 01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:29.439 come in and carry it off, and more than I've 1699 01:38:29.479 --> 01:38:34.359 heard that more than once. So as far as skeletal remains, 1700 01:38:34.399 --> 01:38:37.560 they do have a remains up from northern Ohio and 1701 01:38:37.800 --> 01:38:42.479 Project Bluebook mentioned of a large human like animal they 1702 01:38:42.520 --> 01:38:47.119 found skeletons of and that's documented a whole area filled 1703 01:38:47.159 --> 01:38:51.239 with that stuff. So m hm, And you know a bear, 1704 01:38:51.479 --> 01:38:55.439 A bear skeleton looks very similar to human. Yes, if 1705 01:38:55.479 --> 01:38:59.800 you take off the head and the and the pause feet, 1706 01:39:00.760 --> 01:39:03.239 it looks yeah like that. More than once that's been 1707 01:39:03.319 --> 01:39:05.840 identified as human remains were turned out of as a bear. 1708 01:39:07.239 --> 01:39:12.039 So you know, I don't think they leave him around. 1709 01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:16.159 I think mother nature takes him fairly quickly. And I 1710 01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:17.880 think there's probably people that have found him and not 1711 01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:19.119 realize what they're looking at. 1712 01:39:20.560 --> 01:39:22.840 Yeah, So as Zach keep that in mind. You can 1713 01:39:22.920 --> 01:39:26.399 share that with Facebook user John Wayne. Everything that he 1714 01:39:26.800 --> 01:39:30.000 shares on his page that I know that identify as bear, 1715 01:39:30.119 --> 01:39:34.640 he's calling the big foot, you can pass it blocked. 1716 01:39:37.560 --> 01:39:39.960 And it wasn't me that made him block Me was 1717 01:39:40.039 --> 01:39:42.760 my buddy Luke White, who's a complete nonbeliever. 1718 01:39:42.920 --> 01:39:43.600 But he told him. 1719 01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:46.079 He says, if I see a bigfoot, I'll be sure 1720 01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:49.199 to put a forty five right but between his eyes, 1721 01:39:49.199 --> 01:39:51.520 and I'll drop him off at your front door and 1722 01:39:51.560 --> 01:39:52.560 I'll kiss your ass. 1723 01:39:55.159 --> 01:40:01.720 Tell him that will never happen. That is an anima 1724 01:40:01.880 --> 01:40:03.359 quicker than the shooting one. 1725 01:40:05.560 --> 01:40:11.920 Oh my, oh yeah, that's interesting though. But you know 1726 01:40:12.239 --> 01:40:14.399 that's that's the thing a lot of people gotta understand. 1727 01:40:14.720 --> 01:40:16.960 That's one thing I tell people. You've got to get 1728 01:40:17.000 --> 01:40:20.079 familiar with your known wildlife. You know, I believe it's 1729 01:40:20.119 --> 01:40:22.640 important to understand and know your wild life before you 1730 01:40:22.720 --> 01:40:25.880 try to go something, uh, look for something or research 1731 01:40:26.000 --> 01:40:30.119 something that's considered unclassified or unknown you know. Yeah, well 1732 01:40:30.159 --> 01:40:33.000 you know we can better, you know better compare and analyze, 1733 01:40:33.399 --> 01:40:37.720 you know, separate, you know. But well yeah that's that's 1734 01:40:37.800 --> 01:40:38.279 good stuff. 1735 01:40:39.199 --> 01:40:39.640 But uh. 1736 01:40:42.279 --> 01:40:43.159 It was it was fun. 1737 01:40:44.119 --> 01:40:50.000 Oh absolutely again, anybody listening or future listeners, if you're 1738 01:40:50.039 --> 01:40:52.800 on Facebook, look up Larry the Animal Guy and Friends 1739 01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:57.039 Facebook group page and uh any other information. You can 1740 01:40:57.199 --> 01:40:58.279 google his name too. 1741 01:40:58.399 --> 01:41:04.640 So yeah, always Larry to teas and there's a bunch 1742 01:41:04.680 --> 01:41:05.199 of stuff. 1743 01:41:06.239 --> 01:41:08.640 Oh yeah, hey, Larry, I got a question for you. 1744 01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:13.000 Okay, you are no kin. 1745 01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:15.319 To Jerry and Ronda Batson? 1746 01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:15.720 Are you. 1747 01:41:17.399 --> 01:41:19.720 No to t's or one t. 1748 01:41:21.439 --> 01:41:22.600 Uh one? 1749 01:41:23.720 --> 01:41:23.920 Yeah? 1750 01:41:26.520 --> 01:41:28.560 Okay, because I was going to say, because I got 1751 01:41:28.600 --> 01:41:30.840 a bunch of bats that live around here. 1752 01:41:32.359 --> 01:41:38.399 God, I'm so sorry. I really like to apologize for that. 1753 01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:44.840 Well, Larry, uh well, thank you again, because you know 1754 01:41:45.239 --> 01:41:48.720 the episode is going to be Well, you guys have 1755 01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:51.880 a good night. Uh Zach you can stay put for 1756 01:41:52.079 --> 01:41:56.359 just a couple of minutes, and Larry, I will be 1757 01:41:56.720 --> 01:41:58.560 in the near future. I do want to talk to 1758 01:41:58.600 --> 01:42:00.319 you about a couple of things in your future. You're here, 1759 01:42:00.439 --> 01:42:02.880 so so at some point I will be Yeah, I'll 1760 01:42:02.880 --> 01:42:03.560 be messaging you. 1761 01:42:03.800 --> 01:42:07.840 So it sounds like, if you're ever in my area, 1762 01:42:08.039 --> 01:42:10.680 look me up. I'll be glad to go out with you. 1763 01:42:11.920 --> 01:42:14.600 Oh okay, Well it's hard for me to get away. 1764 01:42:14.600 --> 01:42:16.960 I got five tigers to take care of my wife. 1765 01:42:17.079 --> 01:42:22.600 And when I tell my wife put expedition and leave 1766 01:42:22.640 --> 01:42:25.720 her with all this responsibilities, she doesn't look too kindly 1767 01:42:25.840 --> 01:42:29.000 of it, especially if I can walk out my back 1768 01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:30.159 door and walk into one. 1769 01:42:30.319 --> 01:42:34.039 So if i'm ember at your way, I definitely would 1770 01:42:34.039 --> 01:42:35.640 love to have a tour of the place, if you 1771 01:42:35.680 --> 01:42:37.920 don't mind. I love I love animals. 1772 01:42:39.760 --> 01:42:42.760 Hell in the summer when not so much snow and 1773 01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:45.079 mud like there's going to be here shortly. We're gonna 1774 01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:46.920 get rained tomorrow, I guess. So it's gonna be a 1775 01:42:47.039 --> 01:42:47.439 mudd hole. 1776 01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:51.039 So rain early in the morning here. 1777 01:42:52.159 --> 01:42:56.239 Yeah, so it's get rid of all this darn snow 1778 01:42:56.279 --> 01:42:57.960 and the sub zero Well, I think we're through the 1779 01:42:58.039 --> 01:43:00.840 sub zero weather easily. February doesn't offer that so much. 1780 01:43:00.920 --> 01:43:04.479 So I hope I'm right, got I. 1781 01:43:04.520 --> 01:43:10.520 Hope don't jenksis Larry, I'm heading on, miss wild buddy. 1782 01:43:11.399 --> 01:43:12.920 I may have put it out there and that may 1783 01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:16.640 be a problem. Anyway, Well, it's nice talking to you. 1784 01:43:16.760 --> 01:43:17.800 Guys pleasure. 1785 01:43:17.840 --> 01:43:19.600 All right, thank you very much. You have a good 1786 01:43:19.680 --> 01:43:27.560 nice here. Thank you, all right, bye bye. All right, 1787 01:43:27.760 --> 01:43:33.159 that that concludes our guest for the evening, mister Larry 1788 01:43:33.199 --> 01:43:36.920 bats and Larry the Animal Guy. Everybody, Well, thank you 1789 01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:40.039 for listening to Squash Show Radio. Now we're gonna jump 1790 01:43:40.119 --> 01:43:44.600 into our after show for the evening, just some brief discussions. 1791 01:43:44.800 --> 01:43:49.000 So if there's anybody still out there listening, uh, perhaps 1792 01:43:49.079 --> 01:43:50.720 feel free to call in to call in number it 1793 01:43:50.760 --> 01:43:52.920 if you want to jump in on this live conversation. 1794 01:43:53.920 --> 01:43:57.439 The airy code is six zero two seven five three 1795 01:43:58.399 --> 01:44:02.840 one nine six three six zero two seven five three 1796 01:44:03.600 --> 01:44:43.760 one nine six three. All right, Well Zach is just 1797 01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:47.279 right now is just me and you. Oh man, I'll 1798 01:44:47.279 --> 01:44:49.800 tell you what I really enjoyed that that was a 1799 01:44:49.840 --> 01:44:50.840 lot of information there. 1800 01:44:51.640 --> 01:44:56.239 So, oh, I was surprised about this and everything and 1801 01:44:57.000 --> 01:44:59.960 hearing him just talking everything and a very knowledgeable man, 1802 01:45:00.199 --> 01:45:03.880 especially about wildlife. And uh, I mean, I didn't even 1803 01:45:03.920 --> 01:45:06.159 know who Roddy Batsman was until you brought it up. 1804 01:45:06.199 --> 01:45:09.560 And then he's talking about Johnny Carson and I remember 1805 01:45:09.640 --> 01:45:14.800 seeing him on shows like that and uh, doing spots 1806 01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:19.359 on talk shows and the like, and I mean, I 1807 01:45:19.479 --> 01:45:21.760 knew I'd heard of him before, I just couldn't place 1808 01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:22.640 the face. 1809 01:45:23.640 --> 01:45:27.279 Right, Yeah, Larry, Yeah, he's pretty well known. He's he's 1810 01:45:27.319 --> 01:45:30.279 been around the world, all across the country, and uh, 1811 01:45:30.800 --> 01:45:32.960 I'm actually one of the images I saw of him 1812 01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:38.359 was Betty Way from the Golden Girls, well many years ago, 1813 01:45:40.199 --> 01:45:44.159 where they were standing together and he had a python 1814 01:45:44.239 --> 01:45:46.319 around his neck standing right next to Betty Wait from 1815 01:45:46.319 --> 01:45:47.199 the Golden Girls. 1816 01:45:48.439 --> 01:45:52.159 Oh God, I would not be nowhere near that man. 1817 01:45:52.319 --> 01:45:53.199 I hate snakes. 1818 01:45:54.560 --> 01:45:59.439 Yeah. Well, when he does a presentation, he brings, you know, 1819 01:45:59.560 --> 01:46:02.560 so much of his animals to the presentation that introduces him. 1820 01:46:02.840 --> 01:46:04.680 He gives a little bit of knowledge about each one, 1821 01:46:05.039 --> 01:46:08.520 which I find very you know, very interesting and very impressive. 1822 01:46:09.319 --> 01:46:12.359 And in one of the presentations I see that he's 1823 01:46:12.439 --> 01:46:18.000 done was actually done here in Virginia. He actually called 1824 01:46:18.079 --> 01:46:20.199 up somebody from the audience and ended up, you know, 1825 01:46:20.520 --> 01:46:23.479 bringing up a young boy. I think the boy was 1826 01:46:23.479 --> 01:46:28.560 probably about twelve eleven, twelve, maybe thirteen, And before he 1827 01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:32.439 even introduced what he was going to bring out, he 1828 01:46:32.640 --> 01:46:37.199 was directing and instructing the young boy to hold his 1829 01:46:37.359 --> 01:46:40.800 arms out and to hold his arms out instead. 1830 01:46:40.840 --> 01:46:43.319 It's usually a bad sign when they say stick your 1831 01:46:43.479 --> 01:46:45.159 arm at there for a second. Son. 1832 01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:48.520 Well, it's funny because I wasn't sure, but I had 1833 01:46:48.600 --> 01:46:51.279 idea what was going on. And sure enough he walks 1834 01:46:51.319 --> 01:46:53.159 out to the side and he comes back with his 1835 01:46:53.479 --> 01:46:56.439 you know, probably eight foot long seven eight foot long 1836 01:46:56.520 --> 01:47:02.800 python so and god, I mean willies, and he takes 1837 01:47:02.840 --> 01:47:04.359 the pipe on Wendy bag. 1838 01:47:04.680 --> 01:47:06.640 If they're in the back, no, I'll make one. 1839 01:47:09.439 --> 01:47:09.640 Yeah. 1840 01:47:09.760 --> 01:47:11.479 I was just wondering what was going through that little 1841 01:47:11.520 --> 01:47:16.039 boy's mind. I was like, no, because I don't like snakes, 1842 01:47:16.079 --> 01:47:18.680 but I mean I've been close to them, you know, 1843 01:47:18.880 --> 01:47:23.079 both poisonous and non venomous ones, and I don't you know, 1844 01:47:23.800 --> 01:47:26.640 even a non venomous snake. I mean I've had I 1845 01:47:26.760 --> 01:47:29.159 walked out of the woods and I'm sitting at the 1846 01:47:29.800 --> 01:47:31.840 of the edge of the tree line and I'm sitting 1847 01:47:31.920 --> 01:47:35.119 in grass, and I'm just standing there looking out, you know, 1848 01:47:35.279 --> 01:47:38.279 and then something catches my attention. I just so happened 1849 01:47:38.279 --> 01:47:40.079 to look down on my foot and here's this big 1850 01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:43.199 black snake curled up just looking out in the same 1851 01:47:43.279 --> 01:47:47.279 direction I'm looking at. And I'm like, what the And 1852 01:47:47.800 --> 01:47:48.920 I'm like, lightning hit it. 1853 01:47:49.039 --> 01:47:50.600 Back to my my van. 1854 01:47:52.640 --> 01:47:56.119 Yeah, there's a little thing. And Larry, I can tell 1855 01:47:56.119 --> 01:47:58.000 you this, dude, I learned, you know, how to tell 1856 01:47:58.079 --> 01:48:00.720 the difference between a poison between a us a non 1857 01:48:00.800 --> 01:48:06.760 venomous snake. Their eyes, Yep, the eyes, the shape of 1858 01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:11.359 the head if it's a blunt nose snake. Uh, non 1859 01:48:11.479 --> 01:48:16.680 venomous if it's pointed, with the pattern of the thunderbelly 1860 01:48:16.800 --> 01:48:17.359 on the tail. 1861 01:48:18.520 --> 01:48:26.039 Oh yeah, absolutely, and all of that. 1862 01:48:26.199 --> 01:48:27.960 You know how you can tell all the difference between 1863 01:48:28.159 --> 01:48:30.279 a venomous snake and a non venmous snake when they're 1864 01:48:30.279 --> 01:48:30.680 in the water. 1865 01:48:32.399 --> 01:48:34.680 Well, how's that that I'm not sure about? 1866 01:48:36.399 --> 01:48:39.960 Non venomous snake swim submerged. The venomous snakes will inflate 1867 01:48:40.039 --> 01:48:45.239 their lungs with air so they float. Ah okay, my 1868 01:48:45.319 --> 01:48:48.640 granddad taught me that. So pretty much about ninety nine 1869 01:48:48.640 --> 01:48:50.399 percent of the snakes I've seen in the water, we're 1870 01:48:50.520 --> 01:48:55.199 just water snakes. So yeah, yeah, because because water snakes 1871 01:48:55.239 --> 01:48:57.840 feed on fish and minnos and bugs, they're going to 1872 01:48:57.880 --> 01:49:02.319 be down in the water and they'll hold her breath 1873 01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:05.119 and they'll go underneath the water. Right. 1874 01:49:06.680 --> 01:49:09.479 That's pretty good. That's actually something that's good to keep 1875 01:49:09.479 --> 01:49:12.159 in mind. Because you know, when I used to live 1876 01:49:12.439 --> 01:49:14.079 where I grew up on the other side of Virginia, 1877 01:49:14.720 --> 01:49:16.920 we lived in a private lake community, and you know, 1878 01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:19.119 I was always out in the water fishing and everything. 1879 01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:21.760 And sometimes when you come into some of the coves 1880 01:49:21.760 --> 01:49:24.279 and stuff where the water is shallow, you come across 1881 01:49:24.319 --> 01:49:26.319 a lot of snakes. You can see there's water snakes 1882 01:49:26.359 --> 01:49:29.600 all over the place, and uh, yeah, some of them. 1883 01:49:29.960 --> 01:49:32.279 I was I was probably a teenager and I was 1884 01:49:32.319 --> 01:49:34.880 in a canoe. Yeah, I was in a canoe with 1885 01:49:34.960 --> 01:49:39.359 a buddy lion. We come into this shallow cove and 1886 01:49:40.640 --> 01:49:41.840 he spotted. 1887 01:49:41.439 --> 01:49:42.520 It, not me, and. 1888 01:49:44.159 --> 01:49:46.439 There was a snake. It was a water snake. It 1889 01:49:46.600 --> 01:49:50.079 was just underneath the water. We're the water right now, 1890 01:49:50.640 --> 01:49:52.000 you know. Here we are in two feet of water, 1891 01:49:52.800 --> 01:49:54.920 and here's a snake right on the side of me. 1892 01:49:55.720 --> 01:49:57.439 You know, because he looks back towards me and looks 1893 01:49:57.439 --> 01:49:59.680 at the water. S he's a snake. The tail end 1894 01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:01.840 of it touching the bottom, you know, touching the ground, 1895 01:50:02.479 --> 01:50:05.279 and the head is just barely touching the surface of 1896 01:50:05.319 --> 01:50:08.840 the water. And you know, of course, water snakes, if 1897 01:50:08.840 --> 01:50:11.359 you're not familiarly, they look some of them look like copperheads, 1898 01:50:11.960 --> 01:50:17.479 you know, yeah, and we freaked out. The first thing 1899 01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:19.640 we did was took the panel, swatted away and got 1900 01:50:19.680 --> 01:50:22.720 out of dodge get to the deeper water. 1901 01:50:25.439 --> 01:50:28.880 You had a friend of mine that lives in Shelbyville, Indiana. 1902 01:50:29.439 --> 01:50:34.239 Her mom owns an eight foot long Burmese python for 1903 01:50:34.359 --> 01:50:41.279 a pet. And she posted a picture of her mom 1904 01:50:41.479 --> 01:50:44.840 on Facebook about a couple of weeks ago, and she 1905 01:50:45.199 --> 01:50:47.880 was snuggling with that snake on the couch. 1906 01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:53.880 Oh my, yeah, that's crazy. 1907 01:50:55.560 --> 01:50:58.520 I looked at her, said, what the heck is wrong 1908 01:50:58.640 --> 01:50:58.880 with you? 1909 01:51:03.760 --> 01:51:13.920 Oh man, Lord em Mercy, like. 1910 01:51:14.079 --> 01:51:18.520 You heard Wendy Bagwell yack, and look around finding where 1911 01:51:18.560 --> 01:51:21.079 the back door is. If there ain't, what I'll make it. 1912 01:51:23.880 --> 01:51:24.039 Right. 1913 01:51:25.640 --> 01:51:27.720 But here's the thing. The reason I'm so scared of 1914 01:51:27.760 --> 01:51:29.720 snakes that you can blame it on my granddad. My 1915 01:51:29.800 --> 01:51:32.359 grandpa will pick them up by the tail. He'll sling 1916 01:51:32.479 --> 01:51:34.600 them around in a circle in there and throw them 1917 01:51:34.640 --> 01:51:35.920 at you, dead or alive. 1918 01:51:39.119 --> 01:51:39.319 Yeah. 1919 01:51:39.760 --> 01:51:44.039 I remember one time there was a black kingsnake that 1920 01:51:44.239 --> 01:51:46.840 was out here and it was crawling around by the 1921 01:51:46.880 --> 01:51:48.840 four wheeler. And this is back when I was about 1922 01:51:48.880 --> 01:51:51.800 maybe ten twelve years old. He pulled that thing out 1923 01:51:51.800 --> 01:51:53.800 of the engine block of that foe wheling threw it 1924 01:51:53.840 --> 01:51:58.119 in the circle around his head in the circle and 1925 01:51:58.239 --> 01:52:00.479 he looked right at him and he chucked that right 1926 01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:03.000 at me and it wrapped around my neck and took 1927 01:52:03.079 --> 01:52:11.439 off picking on me, saying saying, was that running down 1928 01:52:11.520 --> 01:52:11.920 your leg? 1929 01:52:14.640 --> 01:52:17.800 Yeah, people could call me a woos or whatever, but yeah, 1930 01:52:17.800 --> 01:52:25.920 I'm sorry, but I don't like snakes. So man, well, 1931 01:52:26.039 --> 01:52:27.840 you know you guys were talking about rain out your 1932 01:52:27.920 --> 01:52:32.000 way come tomorrow. I haven't checked the weather for tomorrow, 1933 01:52:32.079 --> 01:52:33.920 but you know, last I heard it was supposed to 1934 01:52:33.920 --> 01:52:36.880 be nice weather. When I walked out of work early today, 1935 01:52:37.960 --> 01:52:39.800 the temperature I couldn't believe. I was like, wow, this 1936 01:52:39.920 --> 01:52:42.600 is nice, I say, I mean it felt like fifty 1937 01:52:43.079 --> 01:52:46.640 a good fifty degrees or so. And uh, I mean, 1938 01:52:46.840 --> 01:52:48.239 I mean that's what I felt like. I didn't check 1939 01:52:48.279 --> 01:52:51.840 the temperature, but it was actually very comfortable. But tomorrow 1940 01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:54.159 is we're expecting nice weather, so I'm gonna double check 1941 01:52:54.199 --> 01:52:55.720 that because I am supposed to go out in the 1942 01:52:55.760 --> 01:52:58.600 woods for a little while tomorrow. There is an area 1943 01:52:58.600 --> 01:53:01.159 I'm gonna going to and check out, and I haven't 1944 01:53:01.159 --> 01:53:03.800 been into in a while, probably running to Freda and Connie, 1945 01:53:03.800 --> 01:53:05.399 because they're supposed to be out there, but they're gonna 1946 01:53:05.399 --> 01:53:08.079 be up on the bridge. They'll probably be out where 1947 01:53:08.119 --> 01:53:10.359 I'm heading in. They're gonna be somewhere off to the 1948 01:53:10.479 --> 01:53:12.520 right somewhere, but I still may end up running into 1949 01:53:12.520 --> 01:53:15.760 it depends on which way they come in travel into. 1950 01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:21.960 So I'll wait and see how that goes. But but well, 1951 01:53:22.039 --> 01:53:26.640 I'll tell you what, uh, Zach, I'm gonna call call 1952 01:53:26.720 --> 01:53:29.479 it a night, And there's a few things I need 1953 01:53:29.560 --> 01:53:31.920 to check on anyway before I you know, call it 1954 01:53:31.960 --> 01:53:36.399 a night all together myself again. Yet tonight went great. 1955 01:53:37.399 --> 01:53:39.600 I want to, you know, definitely thank you and you 1956 01:53:39.680 --> 01:53:45.760 know Ryan for interacting and sharing information and asking questions. 1957 01:53:47.000 --> 01:53:49.720 That went really well tonight. And so yeah, for now 1958 01:53:49.760 --> 01:53:52.319 on what when we do have a guest, uh, That's 1959 01:53:52.359 --> 01:53:53.600 all I want to do is just keep it to 1960 01:53:53.640 --> 01:53:58.039 a minimum. You know, it's easier that way. So and 1961 01:53:58.119 --> 01:54:00.439 then of course when we do our next uh quatched 1962 01:54:00.439 --> 01:54:03.880 the round table, you know, we could have everybody on. 1963 01:54:04.199 --> 01:54:11.760 So but meanwhile, zaching that you might like, yeah, I've 1964 01:54:11.760 --> 01:54:14.760 just seen it pop up, so I'll check that out 1965 01:54:14.840 --> 01:54:17.760 as soon as I get off here. So but Meanwhile. Yeah, 1966 01:54:17.800 --> 01:54:19.920 like I said, I'm gonna I'll drop off here and 1967 01:54:20.640 --> 01:54:26.159 anyone that's listening. Don't forget about the twenty eighteen e 1968 01:54:26.319 --> 01:54:30.880 CBRO First Angel Virginia Bigfoot Conference June thirtieth and July 1969 01:54:31.079 --> 01:54:36.960 first and Fishersville, Virginia at the Augusta Expo. Definitely check 1970 01:54:37.039 --> 01:54:39.960 that out. You can find all our information on our 1971 01:54:40.039 --> 01:54:43.560 event page right on Facebook. 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I am, I know, I am. 1991 01:55:54.199 --> 01:55:54.399 I know. 1992 01:55:54.560 --> 01:55:59.439 Some others are looking forward to your next episodes, your 1993 01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:01.840 next your live feeds and with your shows that you do, 1994 01:56:02.079 --> 01:56:06.399 so they're always exciting. I love interacting with them. So 1995 01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:08.800 it's like I said, it's a lot of fun too. 1996 01:56:09.640 --> 01:56:15.439 So yeah, for the record, when you had what's the other? 1997 01:56:15.760 --> 01:56:18.800 Who was Sam? When you had Sam on there? The 1998 01:56:18.960 --> 01:56:21.800 audio was actually pretty good on that one there. 1999 01:56:23.319 --> 01:56:25.600 Because I went and I moved the phone around because 2000 01:56:25.640 --> 01:56:27.920 I used to have the phone sitting down on a 2001 01:56:28.039 --> 01:56:31.399 little box with the with the mic turned up. But 2002 01:56:31.600 --> 01:56:35.079 I figured it out that the mic on my tablet, 2003 01:56:35.199 --> 01:56:38.399 the voice receptor was on the top of my tablet. 2004 01:56:38.479 --> 01:56:41.000 So I have it. You've seen the picture of my studio, 2005 01:56:41.119 --> 01:56:43.560 I have the tablet popped up against the desktop and 2006 01:56:43.600 --> 01:56:45.760 the hard drive. So I just put my phone up 2007 01:56:45.760 --> 01:56:47.880 on top of the hard drive, right above the speaker 2008 01:56:48.880 --> 01:56:52.039 for the tablet and right where my microphone is for 2009 01:56:52.199 --> 01:56:52.840 my laptop. 2010 01:56:54.199 --> 01:56:57.159 Okay, so yeah, by doing that, you can still see 2011 01:56:57.159 --> 01:57:02.359 the interaction on the lap chat pretty well. Yeah, okay, cool, 2012 01:57:02.960 --> 01:57:05.720 very cool. Well, hey that's working, so stay at it. 2013 01:57:07.000 --> 01:57:09.239 Yeah that's pretty good. But uh. 2014 01:57:10.920 --> 01:57:14.960 But it's it's it may look pretty complex, but it 2015 01:57:15.039 --> 01:57:16.319 works when you get the hang of it. 2016 01:57:17.439 --> 01:57:21.560 Oh yeah, most definitely. All right, Well, Zach, I'll see 2017 01:57:21.560 --> 01:57:26.000 you on Facebook, you know, uh tomorrow, if everything works out, 2018 01:57:26.880 --> 01:57:30.079 I will be on the field. And where I'll be 2019 01:57:30.399 --> 01:57:33.680 I'll if phone reception works out, I'll be doing Facebook 2020 01:57:33.720 --> 01:57:37.199 Live out there. So so yeah, you can be on 2021 01:57:37.279 --> 01:57:39.520 the lookout for that. Uh, it'll probably be close to 2022 01:57:40.520 --> 01:57:44.319 eleven noon time. I mean, I'll be out there before then, 2023 01:57:44.399 --> 01:57:47.039 but I probably won't go Facebook Live till get far 2024 01:57:47.239 --> 01:57:50.159 off in the woods. Again, if the reception is good too, 2025 01:57:50.319 --> 01:57:55.680 so so right, but uh so meanwhile, Zach, you have 2026 01:57:55.760 --> 01:57:59.239 a good night. I'm gonna drop off here and uh 2027 01:57:59.520 --> 01:58:00.000 well next. 2028 01:58:00.359 --> 01:58:03.760 Jack watch out great night, everybody. 2029 01:58:20.760 --> 01:58:22.680 Your hosts angel bit Wong. 2030 01:58:24.760 --> 01:58:25.479 Watch out break. 2031 01:58:26.319 --> 01:58:28.119 I hope you guys will joined the nice episode. 2032 01:59:25.159 --> 01:59:27.239 Get to Old Navy for the deal you've been waiting 2033 01:59:27.319 --> 01:59:30.800 for all year. Flip flops for just one buck. 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