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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Squash on Radio. All right, everybody, Welcome
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Speaker 2: want to introduce you to Larry Basson, Larry the Animal guy,
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Speaker 4: Thank you great.
Speaker 2: That is awesome because it let me reconnect. I don't
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Speaker 5: So well, we did.
Speaker 3: We had Larry Batson's Wild World. We did produced over
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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I've actually been real, you know, actually introduced
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Speaker 3: So well, we I have to God blessed Blockdog Radio
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Speaker 3: we did, we had close to eighty thousand downloads. So
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Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. Though, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: I mean what I got on to having on my
Speaker 3: show is classic rock stars. Oh yeah, I had on
Speaker 3: to name a few out of Al Jardine on from
Speaker 3: the Beach Boys, Dave Davies from the Kings, that's gonna
Speaker 3: really age me, Bobby Callswell from Captain Beyond, and so
Speaker 3: let's Gary Lewis from Gary Lewis and to Playboys, Jerry
Speaker 3: Lewis Is. We had quite a few rock stars on it.
Speaker 3: It was cool and they were I'll tell you what
Speaker 3: they're tell you the truth. They're very easy to talk
Speaker 3: into coming on the show, so it was it was
Speaker 3: very cool and they're and they're as you know, they're
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Speaker 2: Okay, and and you're oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Plus we had the legendary interview when and it's the
Speaker 3: only time it's ever happened. We had on John Green
Speaker 3: and Bob Gimblin on the same show.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was actually people that transcribed that show and
Speaker 3: posted it on the internet. So yeah, that was that
Speaker 3: was very cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, this is one of the things that
Speaker 2: I do want to get to tonight. You know, I
Speaker 2: want to I do want to talk about the Roger
Speaker 2: Roger Patterson footage eventually. You know, that's one of the
Speaker 2: one of your presentations. Uh, I've gotten the watch off
Speaker 2: Bill Co Productions Dark Bill Lancaster's YouTube channel. I watched
Speaker 2: your presentation at the Sasquatch Watch of Virginia's Virginia Bigfoot
Speaker 2: Conference and you know, that was awesome and thank you.
Speaker 2: I loved your presentation. Yeah, and you're you're awesome with
Speaker 2: the crowd. I got to give you that, You're real
Speaker 2: good with the crowd. So you're definitely a people's first all.
Speaker 3: I've had a lot of practice. I've been doing wildlife
Speaker 3: lectures and schools and in front of a lot of
Speaker 3: different audiences for forty years, so I've had a lot
Speaker 3: of practice. In fact, we used to we did a
Speaker 3: lot of work with mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, Jim Fowler,
Speaker 3: and that gave us the opportunity to take cannibals on
Speaker 3: shows like Johnny Carson, Today's Show, Oprah Winfrey, MERV Griff,
Speaker 3: and Mike Douglas, which really ages me. So I had
Speaker 3: a lot of practice.
Speaker 2: So, well, let me ask you, you'd being involved with
Speaker 2: wildlife research? Got what got you involved with that?
Speaker 3: With wildlife?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: In general, Well, I've always won. As a child, I
Speaker 3: was always interested in animals. But I think what really
Speaker 3: took me over the edge was I was very fortunate
Speaker 3: as a child because every summer our parents would go
Speaker 3: to Rocky Mountain National Park in Colorado as this park,
Speaker 3: and we'd go to those ranger talks, and I think
Speaker 3: this is what really inspired me to do lectures that
Speaker 3: I've been doing, like I said mentioned earlier, for four years.
Speaker 3: We did We attended one where there was a ranger
Speaker 3: there who had been hiking in a very remote area
Speaker 3: of Rocky mount In National Park called the Never Summer Range,
Speaker 3: and he took thousands of slides and he did a
Speaker 3: presentation for a full house and you could hear a
Speaker 3: pin drop during that whole lecture that he gave. And
Speaker 3: what was really cool about the whole deal is there
Speaker 3: was two mountainlin cubs or two or three mountain line
Speaker 3: cubs that were on the roof of this visitor center
Speaker 3: and you cant hear him running across the top of
Speaker 3: the roof during the lecture. So that was it was.
Speaker 3: It was beyond cool, and I think I truly believe
Speaker 3: that's what inspired me to do what I do.
Speaker 2: Now. Now, you're also involved with Bigfoot. Now, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be honest, I don't know how involved you are, but
Speaker 2: I know you have a lot of knowledgeable Bigfoot. Now
Speaker 2: where did Bigfoot come into play here?
Speaker 3: Well, I've been involved with the Sasquatch and Bigfoot legend
Speaker 3: for close to fifty years, and I'd always been interested
Speaker 3: in and always did a lot of research about it,
Speaker 3: read lots of books. In fact, I can still remember
Speaker 3: buying Peter Burnsburg book when it first came out. I
Speaker 3: saw him do an interview on Mike Douglass I had
Speaker 3: to be guys six seventy six seventy five something like that,
Speaker 3: and I always and I read that book cover to cover,
Speaker 3: and I always had a fascination with it well. When
Speaker 3: I started doing the wildlife thing and working, like I said,
Speaker 3: with Wild Kingdom, Jim Fowler, who did not have any animals,
Speaker 3: would ask us to come different parts of the country
Speaker 3: to do lectures with him and bring our animals. And
Speaker 3: one of those lectures occurred in Calloway Gardens in Columbus, Georgia,
Speaker 3: and we were having breakfast, and he had just gotten
Speaker 3: back from Russia and they were doing a documentary for
Speaker 3: a show called Spirit of Adventure on the Russian brown Bears.
Speaker 3: And when he got over there, he said, over breakfast,
Speaker 3: he said, all the guides wanted to talk about the
Speaker 3: Russian guide is Bigfoot because they had seen something in
Speaker 3: those mountains that was very similar to what's been reported
Speaker 3: in of course, in northern California, Washington, Oregon, throughout Canada, Alaska.
Speaker 3: So that, you know, I thought, wow, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: It got me inspired about it again. So it wasn't
Speaker 3: shortly after that I was I've been doing a show
Speaker 3: in Cleveland called the American Canadian Sport Traveling Outdoor Show.
Speaker 3: I was there MBSC for their big stage show. Oh
Speaker 3: and did wildlife lectures and so forth there, and they
Speaker 3: asked me one year They says, we'd really like to
Speaker 3: do something different this year. Do you have any ideas?
Speaker 3: And I said, yeah, I do. I said, why don't
Speaker 3: we do a display on bigfoot sasquatch. I said, I'll
Speaker 3: put it all together. And they said that sounds like
Speaker 3: a fantastic idea, and they had a pretty good budget,
Speaker 3: so I'm putting this. In fact, I even build an
Speaker 3: eight foot sasquatch out of doc foam, carved out a
Speaker 3: doc foam in paper mache, and so they had a budget.
Speaker 3: So I started wanting more, you know, I wanted this
Speaker 3: stuff for this display. So I called Willow Creek, California,
Speaker 3: to Hodgson's Variety Store, which I was aware of, and
Speaker 3: talked to Al Hodgson and I told him, I said, well,
Speaker 3: I was had in mine and asked if he had
Speaker 3: any bigfoot souvenirs like cups, maps, whatever, and he did,
Speaker 3: and he said I do more and happy to send
Speaker 3: them to me. He also gave me the number for
Speaker 3: the Chamber of Commerce Willow Creeky said I'm sure that
Speaker 3: they'd send you all the brochures you want because this
Speaker 3: is a big show. And so I asked him, I said,
Speaker 3: do you know anyone that's ever you know, seen a bigfoot?
Speaker 3: And he said, well, who you need to talk to?
Speaker 2: Where?
Speaker 3: It was a couple of guys that were here not
Speaker 3: long ago. And if you say, he said, if you
Speaker 3: hang on, I'll give you their numbers. Well, those two
Speaker 3: guys that he was talking about was John Green and
Speaker 3: Bob Timas.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I called him up and in our conversation I
Speaker 3: persuaded him to come to Cleveland, Ohio for that show,
Speaker 3: and he came over for three days and lectured. We
Speaker 3: really lectured together, and what a nice guy he was,
Speaker 3: you know, it was truly it was an inspiration. Well,
Speaker 3: he said, who I need to talk to was Bob Titmas.
Speaker 3: So I called him up and uh, he wasn't very
Speaker 3: forthcoming at first. It was the latter part of his life.
Speaker 3: He was was very early. He wasn't doing very well.
Speaker 3: And I talked to Bob and he finally just opened
Speaker 3: up to me. He started talking. But I asked him,
Speaker 3: I said, I'm flat athlete. Have you ever seen a bigfoot?
Speaker 3: And he said yeah, he said I have. I said
Speaker 3: I've seen them twice. I said, well, tell me more
Speaker 3: about it. He said, Well, off the coast of Alaska
Speaker 3: in nineteen forty one when I was in the navy.
Speaker 3: He said it was almost dark and said, he said,
Speaker 3: I walked up on deck. All the rest of the
Speaker 3: sailors were down in the ship, playing cards, eating whatever,
Speaker 3: and he observed a bipedal animal walking along edge of
Speaker 3: the beach or the shore, i should say, and he
Speaker 3: watched it walk and up into the bush. He didn't
Speaker 3: tell anybody about it, but he had decided after that point,
Speaker 3: and when he got out of the navy, he was
Speaker 3: going to go in pursuit of this thing. And in
Speaker 3: his own words, he said, I have killed And he
Speaker 3: was a taxidermist and mounted just every animal native to
Speaker 3: that part of the world except one of those. And
Speaker 3: the second time that he had seen them in his research,
Speaker 3: as in nineteen sixty three, up in kid of matt
Speaker 3: British Columbia, he basically watched three of them climb a
Speaker 3: rock wall that have taken an experienced rock climber all
Speaker 3: day to do. They did in a matter of about
Speaker 3: thirty minutes. And I have to say, Daniel, that after
Speaker 3: I hung up the phone with him, it all changed
Speaker 3: because I was going to take this exhibit. I was
Speaker 3: going to have some fun with it, you know, because
Speaker 3: I wasn't certain that these things existed, But after my
Speaker 3: conversation with Bob, I was pretty well convinced that we
Speaker 3: had something here.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: And Bob Titmas was you were mentioned in a Patterson film.
Speaker 3: He's the one, yeah, that steered Roger in that direction
Speaker 3: of Bluff Creek, California. And luckily Roger had a friend
Speaker 3: and Bob Gimlin, that was willing to take off work
Speaker 3: and basically provided the horses and the transportation for them
Speaker 3: to get down there and do that.
Speaker 2: Now, the majority of us, yeah, I was gonna mention
Speaker 2: real quick. I know a majority of us are familiar
Speaker 2: with just the basic you know, the footage and just
Speaker 2: a brief story that was told there. Now you you
Speaker 2: had learned of some information that was that I don't
Speaker 2: think I've heard before till I heard the discussion of
Speaker 2: what you had brought up in your presentation at the
Speaker 2: Sasquatch Watch conference about something that you guys found over there.
Speaker 3: Well, Bob Titmas he had been in that area earlier.
Speaker 3: And for the folks that aren't familiar with that part
Speaker 3: of the country, that's rainforest and as he put it.
Speaker 3: If you get back in there and it gets dark,
Speaker 3: he says, you don't leave because you can wander around
Speaker 3: there and be lost for the rest of your life.
Speaker 3: They'll never find you. They've lost airplanes and that in
Speaker 3: that territory never found him. So that's what happened. He
Speaker 3: got so involved in looking for hair samples and footprints
Speaker 3: and all that that he realized it gets almost dark,
Speaker 3: and well it would get cold there at night. So
Speaker 3: what he basically had to do was dig a pit
Speaker 3: in the ground for him to lay in at night,
Speaker 3: cover himself up with leaves and branches to protect him
Speaker 3: against the weather. But the only thing exposed was his face,
Speaker 3: and that's where he slept well about I don't know
Speaker 3: one or two o'clock in the morning, he could hear
Speaker 3: something coming through the through the forest, and at first
Speaker 3: he thought it was elk, and he thought, if it's elk,
Speaker 3: I mean their hoods are like razor blades. He says,
Speaker 3: they'll kill me. They'll stop, they'll stop me to death,
Speaker 3: not even realizing it. But then he soon decided no,
Speaker 3: it was two legged, and all of a sudden it
Speaker 3: stopped and he could hear like it was smelling the air,
Speaker 3: and in his words, he says, it could smell me,
Speaker 3: but he couldn't decide where I was. So then it
Speaker 3: basically just started screaming and tore the woods. The part
Speaker 3: walked through the woods all night long, back and forth,
Speaker 3: back and forth, breaking tree limbs, throwing rocks, and the
Speaker 3: next morning when he got up, he said, hilarry, He said,
Speaker 3: it just looked like a bulldozer been through those woods.
Speaker 3: But he found footprints. Well after the Gimlin Patterson film
Speaker 3: had been shot, he went down to Bluff Creek and
Speaker 3: he first didn't find those prints because Bob had gone
Speaker 3: the night of the filming. It started to rain. He said,
Speaker 3: those prints need to be covered up to protect him
Speaker 3: because there was going to be tracking dogs coming in
Speaker 3: the next day. And so Bob he had trouble finding
Speaker 3: those prints. But when he finally figured out what they'd
Speaker 3: done covered him with the tree bark, he got onto it.
Speaker 3: He looked at these prints and he realized it was
Speaker 3: the same print that he had seen two or three
Speaker 3: years earlier, that when he was laying in that pit
Speaker 3: all night and that thing was screaming at him back
Speaker 3: and forth and running through the woods all night. So
Speaker 3: that was pretty sobering when he thought it was the
Speaker 3: same animal. And Bob Gimblin had told me that they
Speaker 3: had seen three different sets of prints in that area,
Speaker 3: him and Roger had, so there's basically three different animals
Speaker 3: that they had seen. And you know, when you look
Speaker 3: at that film, why doesn't that thing it just stays
Speaker 3: in the open. Why did this make a left and
Speaker 3: go up into the trees and be gone? I mean
Speaker 3: it didn't have to stay up for that long. Well,
Speaker 3: what it was, and Native Americans have told me this,
Speaker 3: it's the ill broken wing trick that it wanted to
Speaker 3: see what those guys were going to do if they
Speaker 3: were going to follow him, because there was two other
Speaker 3: sasquatches in that area which probably were just in the
Speaker 3: tree line, and Bob and Roger just didn't see him.
Speaker 3: And this thing is trying to divert the attention, so
Speaker 3: it follow them, and Bob did for a short distance.
Speaker 3: After Roger found his horse, Bob tracted to realize that
Speaker 3: was fruitless because of the terrain and so forth. So
Speaker 3: when Bob Gimblin got there, Bob Timmus got there and
Speaker 3: found the footprints, he tracked it and he tracked it
Speaker 3: up to the side of this hill, and at the
Speaker 3: top of this hill there was these rocks about the
Speaker 3: size of golf balls covered with green moss. And he said,
Speaker 3: you could see where this thing is set its heels
Speaker 3: down and set its buttocks into the ground. And basically
Speaker 3: he told me, and he said, from that vantage point,
Speaker 3: it had a complete view of the valley to see
Speaker 3: exactly what those guys were going to do. So while
Speaker 3: they were casting those footprints, his thing was watching them.
Speaker 2: Hmm. Now I've heard what you shared earlier. You know,
Speaker 2: how it was possibly directing its attention away from others
Speaker 2: that may have been in the area. You know, I've
Speaker 2: actually heard that from several other people in their you know,
Speaker 2: in their thoughts or fairies. You know that that could
Speaker 2: have been the possibility, which you know, if you think
Speaker 2: about it, it makes sense.
Speaker 3: Well, they probably heard it from me originally because I
Speaker 3: was the first one, I think to disclose that information.
Speaker 3: In fact, a lot of these stories that got out
Speaker 3: of up Timothy and they were even John Green hadn't
Speaker 3: heard before.
Speaker 2: Mmmm. Yeah, that's like that's you know, like when I
Speaker 2: was in elementary school, you was, we would get in
Speaker 2: a circle and then one one kid, one person would
Speaker 2: start off a rumor or whatever, and then by the
Speaker 2: time it gets around, well that's a different scenario. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but it's like, yeah, it's like a chain reaction. But
Speaker 2: but then again, you know, along the lines, people do
Speaker 2: change some stories and stuff, you know, but the best
Speaker 2: stories always come from the originals that were there, so
Speaker 2: that's good. So there's some other theories where people believe
Speaker 2: that there was maybe i mean little ones, you know,
Speaker 2: like you mentioned, you know, because they said they did
Speaker 2: find other tracks here like you mentioned. Now some people
Speaker 2: want to believe or claim that there was a really
Speaker 2: young one, like we're talking possible infant juvenile that was
Speaker 2: called Now you know, people play around with that footage
Speaker 2: all the time and do what they can with their
Speaker 2: own computers. I mean, I know there's graphic univisor is
Speaker 2: pretty much to that apart, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so much you can see with that film
Speaker 3: because of the quality of equipment that was used in
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the same camera my dad filmed our
Speaker 3: vacations on and when you look at the bouncy part,
Speaker 3: we had entire vacations that look like that. So you know,
Speaker 3: you can only take so much out of that old film,
Speaker 3: and computers have done a lot where they've stabilized and
Speaker 3: so forth. But then there was that silly uh story
Speaker 3: that there's been a massacre there.
Speaker 2: I've heard that too, Yes, I heard that. I'm on
Speaker 2: the fence about that. I don't. I don't see nothing
Speaker 2: that supports that, to be honest with you, I really don't.
Speaker 2: And but well then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then let me explain something that. And I'm just
Speaker 3: sure anybody that spent any time with doing any type
Speaker 3: I mean, when you go into the forest with these things,
Speaker 3: you're a moron. I mean, let's say we're we're pretty
Speaker 3: damn pitiful. I mean, take off our clothes and walk
Speaker 3: into the force and survive on your own. It ain't
Speaker 3: gonna happen. So you know, they're they're these things are
Speaker 3: geniuses when it comes to uh uh survival and we're not.
Speaker 3: And that's that's just you know, I always laugh at
Speaker 3: these guys that go bigfoot researching and they wear camouflage, whom.
Speaker 3: You know, these things are smart enough that they realized
Speaker 3: they associate camouflage with hunters. Hunters they associate with guns,
Speaker 3: and then you know they've dodged bullets before we're actually
Speaker 3: been hit by bullets, I'm sure. So I tell people,
Speaker 3: I said, if you want to go do research on Sasquatch,
Speaker 3: I says, you know, don't go a night because one
Speaker 3: of the best film has been made, you know, the
Speaker 3: Patterson Gamblin film Daytime, the Freeman film Daytime, the Russian Oh,
Speaker 3: I don't think it was Russian. The Canadian film where
Speaker 3: it was up along the ridge daytime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is at night.
Speaker 3: There ain't no chance in hell, I said, at night.
Speaker 3: The coloration of these things, they're invisible. I mean, they
Speaker 3: could walk up within two foot of it and you
Speaker 3: wouldn't know, acknowledge you spelled them or earn them. So
Speaker 3: I said, get you a nice bright Hawaiian. Sure, don't
Speaker 3: even think about Bigfoot and go out in the suppose areas,
Speaker 3: and your chances of observing one or seeing one's much better.
Speaker 2: Well with what you just said makes me feel like
Speaker 2: the encounter I had back in twenty fourteen. That almost
Speaker 2: adds more credibility to what I saw. And the thing
Speaker 2: is I wasn't alone. There was six of us. And
Speaker 2: if you don't mind, I like to briefly run that
Speaker 2: by you. Really, Yeah, It was actually during a twenty
Speaker 2: fourteen camping expedition. You know, it was our Bigfoot camping expedition.
Speaker 2: And like I said, there was a group of us,
Speaker 2: six of us all together, and from where our base
Speaker 2: camp was, we had traveled on foot up the forest
Speaker 2: road down to the lake that was in the area.
Speaker 2: You know, we were there just before it got dark.
Speaker 2: We were paired up in two spread out and around
Speaker 2: the lake. You know, we were listening to our parabolic microphones.
Speaker 2: We gave off some vocalizations, you know, we've actually got
Speaker 2: oh well, we gave off one particular vocalization and we
Speaker 2: actually got a response from it, which was pretty cool. Well,
Speaker 2: after hanging around there and just listening and everything, we
Speaker 2: regrouped and then we started back on foot. We had
Speaker 2: about a mile hike back to camp. And of course
Speaker 2: by this time is way late. We didn't realize the
Speaker 2: time until you know, we actually looked and here we are,
Speaker 2: we're walking back up the forest road. You know, we
Speaker 2: still had a good days ago. And as we're walking
Speaker 2: up the forest road, you know, we saw a deer
Speaker 2: on the one side, you know, because we got headlamps on.
Speaker 2: Our headlamps were we're looking around. We're just crowsing as
Speaker 2: we're walking, and we're talking at normal tone. We weren't
Speaker 2: trying to be quiet, you know, yeah, just on a way.
Speaker 2: We wanted to get back to camp, you know.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: So here we are, we're walking and I'm actually up
Speaker 2: in front of in front of everybody. We're kind of
Speaker 2: like in a stretched out, scattered line. And then something,
Speaker 2: after seeing the deer on the right, something caught my
Speaker 2: attention up on the left. And the first thing I
Speaker 2: saw it was sitting kind of low, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm staring at it. What the heck is that? Now?
Speaker 2: What I was seeing was bright yellow glow reflection from
Speaker 2: off my head lamp. And one of the first things
Speaker 2: that ran through my mind before this is before I
Speaker 2: seen it blink and I got more focused. There was
Speaker 2: a set of eyes. Well we have in the National Forest,
Speaker 2: we have these little yellow plaques, you know, they usually say,
Speaker 2: you know, go travel whatever. And so I'm thinking, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm seeing some kind of yellow reflective that's on a shree.
Speaker 2: But then I start to walk up a little closer
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, I see two uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I said, of eyes blink at me. And
Speaker 2: that's when I signaled back to the next guy behind me,
Speaker 2: Tracy Arnold. I said, Tracy, we got eye shine up here.
Speaker 2: And he spotted it, and he told the rest of
Speaker 2: the guys get up here. We got eye shine. We
Speaker 2: got eye shine. So we all get up to this
Speaker 2: area because whatever was there apparently disappeared. But when we
Speaker 2: get up there, we were looking into the area. Sure enough,
Speaker 2: whatever was up just off the edge of the forest road,
Speaker 2: we caught, uh, you know, we got a glimpse of
Speaker 2: it again. And the first thing we noticed bright yellow
Speaker 2: eye shine. And we did not see the body, but
Speaker 2: we see the eyes so clear. You know, there were
Speaker 2: bright yellow, ambush looking eyes. And this subject, this looked
Speaker 2: this figure that was kind of short, was swaying back
Speaker 2: to back, you know, side to side, and you know,
Speaker 2: I was saying, what the heck, And you know, then
Speaker 2: that's when we took notice there was another one next
Speaker 2: to it, but five six feet away. Now, this one
Speaker 2: here was much taller than this little one. This one
Speaker 2: here we estimated at that time about six foot tall.
Speaker 2: Because one thing is, when I tell people this story,
Speaker 2: I was at the time, we didn't realize the edge
Speaker 2: of the road sloped down to where this subject was.
Speaker 2: So we're noticing there's two of them. Now, Now we
Speaker 2: got one, you know, we're saying four or five, four
Speaker 2: to five feet tall. The other one was a good
Speaker 2: six foot tall, and it was just staring there. It
Speaker 2: was just, you know, the same same color, eyes, bright yellow,
Speaker 2: and they were blinking and they it blinked maybe once
Speaker 2: or twice. And for a good little moment there we
Speaker 2: were staring at Justice two and there's an excitement starting
Speaker 2: to grow, you know, like what are we looking at?
Speaker 2: You know, And then and then it didn't dawn on
Speaker 2: us till after we saw another subject behind the book,
Speaker 2: just to the right of the one subject that was
Speaker 2: around six foot tall, we noticed something else behind the bushes,
Speaker 2: and you can see the eyes reflecting from off of
Speaker 2: a light. Again, same color and what appeared to be
Speaker 2: it may have been crouched down. And then this subject
Speaker 2: as it got taller, it was well over seven to
Speaker 2: eight foot tall, and you can see the eye level difference.
Speaker 2: Now at the time this is after midnight, where this
Speaker 2: was approximately around twelve thirty in the morning, and we're
Speaker 2: observing three sets of yellow eyeshine. And this is what
Speaker 2: kind of got me. Well, I think this is what
Speaker 2: got a couple of us more exciting, because I think
Speaker 2: there's only two of us that actually saw this next part.
Speaker 2: I think Tracy was the one who observed this. I
Speaker 2: can't remember if the others did or not, but me
Speaker 2: and Tracy both saw this. But we saw of the
Speaker 2: tallest subject. We seen the head turn to the side,
Speaker 2: and then apparently it took a step or two and
Speaker 2: they looked back at us. At that moment, you could
Speaker 2: see a slight silhouette of the roundness of a head,
Speaker 2: you know, And then the thing is here, it is
Speaker 2: it's pitch here, and we're look, we got a headland.
Speaker 2: We all have headlands. You think there will be enough
Speaker 2: light in there to see something, but it's like the
Speaker 2: power of the darkness blending in with whatever color of
Speaker 2: their hair or fur is. And but that's the most
Speaker 2: we actually seen is the eye shine and the silhouette
Speaker 2: of the tallest one. The other ones, I didn't make
Speaker 2: no sense why we didn't see more of them, because
Speaker 2: that little one, you know, like I kind of had
Speaker 2: the bobbin swaying side to side motion. And the thing
Speaker 2: is when I when I see that, it kind of
Speaker 2: makes me think of a primate, you know, but I
Speaker 2: mean I heard or yeah, it was weird. You know
Speaker 2: a lot of times people claim to see them by
Speaker 2: trees or just standing there swaying side to side. Well
Speaker 2: that's what a small one was doing. So like, yeah,
Speaker 2: like you mentioned, they can be in total darkness right
Speaker 2: in front of you, you won't see them.
Speaker 3: And in those lights you would have ever seen them.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So that was mysterious until this day. Well, we
Speaker 2: went back to camp, and after we got back to camp,
Speaker 2: me and Tracy started thinking about something. I said. We
Speaker 2: were kicking ourselves in the butt because we both had
Speaker 2: backpacks on and the thing is, in our backpacks we
Speaker 2: had night vision monoculars there in our backpack, but not
Speaker 2: once did we ever think about pulling them out to
Speaker 2: get a better view. And so, yeah, but we were trying
Speaker 2: to debunk the whole situation. Could have been this could
Speaker 2: have been this because I've had a lot of encounters
Speaker 2: with black bears. I've seen We've had I know, I
Speaker 2: got mountain lions out there, I found their tracks, you know,
Speaker 2: and I'll think it of every other possibility, what animal
Speaker 2: could this be? Well, I don't know, it it was
Speaker 2: kind of. I don't know, it was. It was exciting
Speaker 2: trying to debunk it. We even went back the next
Speaker 2: day to do a height comparison, and you know, our
Speaker 2: estimates were pretty pretty close to be inaccurate because of
Speaker 2: the tall subject was definitely around the eight foot mark,
Speaker 2: and then of course we had about six foot and
Speaker 2: then the small one. So we like to believe that
Speaker 2: what we saw was a family unit, you know, so,
Speaker 2: but I don't know that that was us was very exciting. Well,
Speaker 2: if you know, I'm sorry for rambling on.
Speaker 3: No, no, that's no, no, no, absolutely not. If the primates,
Speaker 3: if you see one, there's two or three or four
Speaker 3: or five he didn't see. That's just that's just back
Speaker 3: to the whole deal. Okay, there's no there's no there's
Speaker 3: no primate species in the world that travels single solo, right.
Speaker 3: There are always family groups for safety reasons, and so
Speaker 3: you know, the ending of Harry and the Henderson's is
Speaker 3: probably the most sobering thing you'll ever see when you
Speaker 3: watch Harry walk into the forest and all of a sudden
Speaker 3: there's several of them just to peer up behind trees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true, and that part exactly, you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of us. I'm sure, I'm sure others will agree.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's the safe to say that's
Speaker 2: natural camouflage, right.
Speaker 3: Oh, they're they're almost invisible even in the daytime. I mean,
Speaker 3: I take it out, they'll never see him. I mean
Speaker 3: basically the same coloration as a bear. And you talk
Speaker 3: to people, you know, bear hunters, if they didn't use
Speaker 3: dogs or baits, they never kill one, right, fact, they're
Speaker 3: they're elusive. I mean, you're black bear is about as
Speaker 3: intelligent as your great apes. They just don't have the
Speaker 3: facial expressions or the or the or the well, the
Speaker 3: facial expressions primarily.
Speaker 4: But oh yeah, so I mean.
Speaker 3: You go walking through the forest one to see a bear,
Speaker 3: it ain't gonna happen now that you're you know, well,
Speaker 3: if you're up a tree stand, I suppose during deer season,
Speaker 3: not a couple of pretty funny videos.
Speaker 2: And that's one thing I tell people, because you know,
Speaker 2: I know it's weird. You know, everybody has their own
Speaker 2: way of having Everybody has their own thoughts and theories
Speaker 2: or based off of the research in the field, how
Speaker 2: they observe things. And you know, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: guess in a way I like to say, I'm I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm what's the right word I'm trying to use.
Speaker 2: I can't think of it, But you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: well fortunate, you know, because I mean I've got I've
Speaker 2: got to observe a lot of different wildlife just into
Speaker 2: one particular ERAa I'm in and you know, I'm in
Speaker 2: the George Washington National National Forest all the time. And uh,
Speaker 2: I've had, like I said, I've had several encounters with
Speaker 2: black beers, some of them close, some of them further away,
Speaker 2: you know, because usually by the time I'm seeing they're
Speaker 2: already get going the other way because you know, they've
Speaker 2: already smelt you whatever.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: And but you know, it's it's always exciting scene wildlife.
Speaker 3: I pers and I know a lot about their behavior.
Speaker 3: So uh, they're they're they're sharp and and as I said,
Speaker 3: not less you know, and you know, still National Park
Speaker 3: of course, now those bears have been moved out. If
Speaker 3: people didn't feed them out of the cars, they would
Speaker 3: never see them because they're societative and diligent. So far
Speaker 3: as his sasquatches, that's a whole different deal. I mean,
Speaker 3: you just multiply bad times ten. So, yeah, anybody you
Speaker 3: got a better chance? I don't. I don't know how
Speaker 3: to compare it. You got a better chance of getting
Speaker 3: struck by lighting on a Tuesday at four o'clock in
Speaker 3: the afternoon and walking into force and seeing a sasquatch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. And real quick about the bears.
Speaker 2: You mentioned talking about bears, howelucid they only are. And
Speaker 2: I know, I know a lot of people heard me.
Speaker 2: You know, they've heard me numerous times. I have a comparison,
Speaker 2: I do in a few different ways when it comes
Speaker 2: to sasquatch and bears. But do you do you believe
Speaker 2: bears have a similar pattern to a sasquatch as far
Speaker 2: as their behavior or their patterns? What's that?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that they're both unpredictable. That's the
Speaker 3: only reason there isn't more film and pictures, well good pictures.
Speaker 3: I know there's a bunch of blop pictures. But their
Speaker 3: their behavior is totally unpredictable, that's the thing about it.
Speaker 3: And bears are to you because they show no expression.
Speaker 2: They know.
Speaker 3: A lot of bear handlers have been heard or killed
Speaker 3: because they you know, bears are tough to figure out. Sometimes.
Speaker 3: But but I've been around them enough. You know, I've
Speaker 3: raised these two bears for close to twenty years and
Speaker 3: work with them and been around them daily that I
Speaker 3: know bear behavior pretty well.
Speaker 2: In fact, that's pretty good now.
Speaker 3: I feel comfortable to feel with wild black bears as
Speaker 3: far as and knowing what's up and knowing what they're
Speaker 3: going to do, because basically.
Speaker 4: You're black bears.
Speaker 3: Just I mean you stream and yelling way for our
Speaker 3: that's out of their knowledge there. Oh yeah, they're big chickens.
Speaker 4: They're not funny.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we have Ryan reading on the line. He's
Speaker 2: one of the co hosts. He wanted to jump in there.
Speaker 2: I was gonna let him jump in there real quick.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Ryan, Thanks Dan.
Speaker 3: How you doing, Larry?
Speaker 6: I just certainly say you were doing this for about
Speaker 6: fifty years. Were there any areas that you frequented more
Speaker 6: often for your research purposes or you know, getting out.
Speaker 3: There live in research? I can be I live in
Speaker 3: Bigfoot country, so I'd be taking my trash out one
Speaker 3: night and walk into.
Speaker 4: One and there.
Speaker 3: My wife says, the same name is that if you're
Speaker 3: looking for it, you're not going to find it.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 6: It seems to happen when when you least expect, they
Speaker 6: encounters yourself.
Speaker 3: Visual not that great, you know, I uh, not not
Speaker 3: what I would consider spectacular ones. I've you know, we've
Speaker 3: had him around the property before. They've had my tigers
Speaker 3: all worked. They thought tigers. Well this The history of
Speaker 3: that event was I had friends that were putting them.
Speaker 3: We were putting up the new bear enclosure, and I'd
Speaker 3: gone off to fights for all meet tiger food for
Speaker 3: that day. And I get back and I had a
Speaker 3: couple of friends from Florida that were helping me cater
Speaker 3: runners and they said, hey, they were stopping walking down
Speaker 3: your valley while he was going. It was big. Couldn't
Speaker 3: see it. It was big. So I didn't think anything
Speaker 3: about it. So that next uh or that same night,
Speaker 3: I'm feeding the cat. And at that time I had
Speaker 3: one Siberian tiger named Louis. He was a huge. He
Speaker 3: was about six hundred pounder and basically when you fed him,
Speaker 3: it was like he had to make a kill. He
Speaker 3: get all upset, growl, spit, etch in the whole bit
Speaker 3: where you know, I'm taking a bucket of meat out
Speaker 3: to him and basically just pour it in his house
Speaker 3: and have at it. You don't have to make a kill. Brother,
Speaker 3: It's easy. Well, that particular night after they heard that.
Speaker 3: That day, I was walked up to his enclosure with
Speaker 3: that bucket of meat, and he wasn't coming up to
Speaker 3: the door like he normally did. So I thought, oh,
Speaker 3: what's happened? And I looked down. It was dark. I
Speaker 3: looked down at his enclosure and he was clear at
Speaker 3: the other end, like one of those concrete statues you
Speaker 3: see if the lions or tigers that people have by
Speaker 3: their driveway, and he was looking straight back in the woods,
Speaker 3: straight back in that valley. And I looked down at
Speaker 3: the other cats and they were all doing the same thing.
Speaker 3: So I was probably within, oh I don't know, twenty
Speaker 3: thirty yards of one. And I didn't think much about it.
Speaker 3: So I thought about later that if I'd walked back
Speaker 3: in that woods, I'd probably run right into one. So but.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, you know, being on your own property.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well, my wife said inside, he's here before,
Speaker 3: and she you know, she'd kill me if I'm tell
Speaker 3: anybody she's the same He said, she's the same thing.
Speaker 3: Leave him alone. I was going to lecture in southern Indiana,
Speaker 3: to finished election. This little old lady walks up. She says,
Speaker 3: I know what you're talking about. I seen them. She
Speaker 3: says people should leave them alone. And she just patted
Speaker 3: me on my hand. I says, ma'am, you're absolutely right,
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, just leave them alone, because you know,
Speaker 3: it's basically when I talked to Yellowstone Park ranger Bob Jackson,
Speaker 3: and he had a sighting. And Bob Jackson was the
Speaker 3: best park ranger Yellowstone's ever had. He arrested more people
Speaker 3: for poaching, and his thirty years and all the rangers combined,
Speaker 3: and he observed a sasquatch stalking a deer in Yellowstone
Speaker 3: National Park, and his testimonies put people in prison, cost
Speaker 3: him tens of thousands of dollars, cost him equipment. And
Speaker 3: if he says he watched a sasquatch stalk a deer
Speaker 3: and he doesn't care if anybody believes or not, I
Speaker 3: tend to call that a pretty valuable witness. So pretty
Speaker 3: much after my conversation with him, I realized that all
Speaker 3: the feelings I had about this were right, that they
Speaker 3: do exist. They're very rare, very unpredictable, very highly intelligent,
Speaker 3: very strong, you know, and I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people it was they've run into one face to face,
Speaker 3: their feeling about pursuing them or camping out to find
Speaker 3: them and changed drastically. Because I'm not saying they're not
Speaker 3: violent creatures either, because I've had reports that are Indian
Speaker 3: reservations up in Washington, in Washington and Canada where people
Speaker 3: have been killed by them. So you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: saying they're peaceful. You know, people disappear in the forest
Speaker 3: all the time, never found. You know, I'm not saying
Speaker 3: it because of that by no means. But one of
Speaker 3: the stories that were reports that I'd got was out
Speaker 3: of a reservation up just south of the Canadian border Washington,
Speaker 3: where three young Native Americans were running salmon their salmon
Speaker 3: traps lines and they didn't come back. Well. When they
Speaker 3: sent a party out to look for them, they found them.
Speaker 3: One had been basically buried underneath the pile of rocks,
Speaker 3: one had been completely dismembered, and one the third body
Speaker 3: that was found, What basically had happened to him is
Speaker 3: something that grabbed him by the ankles and beat him
Speaker 3: up against the tree. Because there was brain tissue on
Speaker 3: all the trees around that area where they found the body.
Speaker 3: And there's several incidents that I've heard of people finding
Speaker 3: coyotes that have been grabbed by their feet and beaten
Speaker 3: up against trees. That's been reported before. Of course, it
Speaker 3: kind of falls in line with taking a piece of
Speaker 3: wood and beating it up against a tree to track
Speaker 3: them or to get a response. So you know, I
Speaker 3: don't think a lot of people don't realize what they're
Speaker 3: messing with here. And basically, the one Native American she
Speaker 3: told me, she said, I was one specific area that
Speaker 3: I've done a lot of reports with. Sometimes I kind
Speaker 3: of regret because then guys from what's that stupid show
Speaker 3: not finding Bigfoot then going into this area and did
Speaker 3: a pretty silly show down in southern Indiana morgam And
Speaker 3: Road State Forest. And this Native American gal twenty five
Speaker 3: years ago told me that there was five of them
Speaker 3: living in that forest and she could call them in,
Speaker 3: but she said, if you get between a male and
Speaker 3: a female or a male and a baby, he'll kill you.
Speaker 3: I said, well, how does he do that? She said,
Speaker 3: he grabs you, buy your ankles and beat you up
Speaker 3: against the tree.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, So I believe it.
Speaker 3: So that's pretty, you know. And so I've heard that
Speaker 3: more than once. I've heard that story, So you know,
Speaker 3: I take some faith in that. I you know, I
Speaker 3: take a lot of I take basically, what I do
Speaker 3: is I get a report or you know, And I'm
Speaker 3: not interested at all in the report of one. We're
Speaker 3: walking across the front of my car and gone, that's
Speaker 3: not interesting at all, because you know, what are you
Speaker 3: going to do? Go back to that area? That thing's
Speaker 3: fifty miles from there by. Now I'm interested in the
Speaker 3: reports that a little bit more substantial, something more of
Speaker 3: interest has happened, something more has been observed. I still
Speaker 3: say there's somebody out there that's got a film that's
Speaker 3: better than the Patterson film by a long shot, but
Speaker 3: they're not going to release it. They're not going to
Speaker 3: show it because that film has been made at their
Speaker 3: vacation spot or their place they've bought, worked their life
Speaker 3: to buy the retirement place. Realizing that they would release
Speaker 3: that film, that every guy in camouflage and night vision
Speaker 3: would show up at their house and it would be
Speaker 3: a dang circus. So they don't. So I know for
Speaker 3: a fact that there's I know there's somebody out there
Speaker 3: that's got a really, really, really good film. And I
Speaker 3: have in my collection a picture from the nineteen forties
Speaker 3: of a fellow in northern California that took this picture.
Speaker 3: And he always used to tell his family says he
Speaker 3: had an apple orchard. He said, Oh, people of the
Speaker 3: forest come out and eat my apples. Well, they're thinking
Speaker 3: that grandpa's just goofy. His Alzheimer's has already said him. Well,
Speaker 3: so when he passed and they go through all this stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, they're picking his bone basically after he dies,
Speaker 3: and going through his valuables and all that. Well, they
Speaker 3: found a box full of pictures, and sure enough, one
Speaker 3: of those pictures is of this thing, hair covered round head,
Speaker 3: huge shoulders, and they could see had been taken right
Speaker 3: there in his orchard. So that was in nineteen forty
Speaker 3: nineteen forty one. And when they laughed at him, he
Speaker 3: just shut up about it. And you know, Daniel Boone
Speaker 3: and his journals has said that he killed the sasquatch
Speaker 3: in Kentucky and buried it held it. When he told
Speaker 3: people about it, they laughed at him, so he just
Speaker 3: shut up about it. Say any more about Jill. You know,
Speaker 3: he'd written the story in the journals. George Shaller, who's
Speaker 3: the foremost probably the foremost zoologists in the world. Uh,
Speaker 3: he did more research on the snow leopard, has a
Speaker 3: big foot cast on his wall. And when you in
Speaker 3: his office in Chicago and when you ask him about it,
Speaker 3: his answer always is, there is no proof. There's no
Speaker 3: evidence that they do not exist. None.
Speaker 2: Yet you're absolutely right. That's a good point. I've been
Speaker 2: in that argument with skeptics and non believers with a
Speaker 2: simple question, could you prove to me that they don't exist?
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, anybody that's a skeptics saying, oh, there
Speaker 3: is no way, Well, they've done no research on it.
Speaker 4: Right, you know, they have walked in my shoes.
Speaker 3: They haven't talked to all the people I've talked to
Speaker 3: that have seen them, and you know, and I know,
Speaker 3: I you know, I can tell a liar in a minute,
Speaker 3: because I'm a pretty damn good one myself, And but
Speaker 3: I haven't liked in the last forty four minutes.
Speaker 2: So but thank you.
Speaker 3: The truth of the matter is, is anybody spent any
Speaker 3: time on this, because there was you know, I was
Speaker 3: skeptical before i'd called John Green. I was skeptical before
Speaker 3: I talked to Bob Timmoth. But when John Green flew
Speaker 3: to Cleveland, Ohio and he walked into that holiday inn
Speaker 3: at the restaurant lounge in his big Canadian sweater with
Speaker 3: his wife and we sat down and talked in kind
Speaker 3: of a dimly lit room, I'll tell you what, it
Speaker 3: was probably one of the most phenomenal experiences I've ever had.
Speaker 3: And in fact, he was a very generous man. He
Speaker 3: gave me cassette tapes of Roger Patterson interviews and all
Speaker 3: this stuff he'd done. He just he just just gave
Speaker 3: me tapes.
Speaker 2: Is here go on?
Speaker 3: And one of the biggest I have two regrets that
Speaker 3: he had given me permission to make an audio book
Speaker 3: of Sasquatch or the Sasquatch apes, of the the apes
Speaker 3: among us. He'd give me permission to do that, make
Speaker 3: an audio book of it, and I wish and I
Speaker 3: never did it. The second thing that i'd got permissions on,
Speaker 3: there's three things. Second permissions, Bob Tipmas had said, if
Speaker 3: you come up to Harrison Hot Springs, British Columbia, you
Speaker 3: can make copies of all these casts that I have,
Speaker 3: which included the Patterson film cast and I never got
Speaker 3: there to do it. And John Green had asked me
Speaker 3: because he thought I would be the most credible person
Speaker 3: to do it. Is to come out, go to British
Speaker 3: Columbia and pick up a copy of the Skookham cast
Speaker 3: and take it to guys like George Shaller and various
Speaker 3: zoologists all over the country. He was going to pay
Speaker 3: me to do that one summer, and those are my
Speaker 3: responsibilities here. I just I just couldn't do it. Plus
Speaker 3: I didn't want to tell him what that might cost him.
Speaker 3: I would be embarrassed. But in fact, oh gosh, Rick,
Speaker 3: I can't think of his last name off the top
Speaker 3: of nol. He'd also give me permission to take the
Speaker 3: copy of the cast and share it with a zoologists
Speaker 3: in a different part of the country that wouldn't have
Speaker 3: a chance to see that cast, not unless they went
Speaker 3: to Washington. I think they added at Harrison Hotsprings. I
Speaker 3: think I don't recall. So those are three regrets I
Speaker 3: wish I'd never done. And you know, when I spoke
Speaker 3: to the US Fish and Wildlife Service on the big Foot,
Speaker 3: I spoke at the National Conservation Training Center. This is
Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine. I believe to a group
Speaker 3: of about two hundred and fifty scientists and zoologists and naturalists.
Speaker 3: John said to me, he said, Larry, he said, next
Speaker 3: to the Patterson film, that is one of the most
Speaker 3: important thing that's ever happened to this Bigfoot legend. For
Speaker 3: you to get the US Fish and Wildlife Service to
Speaker 3: actually pay you to come into a lecture on the
Speaker 3: subject the sponsored he said, it was unbelievable, and that
Speaker 3: made me feel pretty humble. I mean, I thought, my god,
Speaker 3: so you know I have in this and now of
Speaker 3: course they're gone, so the chances of doing those things
Speaker 3: is out the window. In fact, we actually had I
Speaker 3: had a production company here in Indiana. I had them sold.
Speaker 3: In fact, I had it entirely all put together. The
Speaker 3: John Green, myself and Bob Gimmlin, We're going to ride
Speaker 3: on horseback to the film side of Bluff Creek and
Speaker 3: shoot a film of sitting around a campfire that night
Speaker 3: and talking about that day in nineteen sixty seven. But
Speaker 3: the production people here in Indiana said, well, they saw
Speaker 3: legend meat Science Jeff Mildram's show with the Discovery Challenge.
Speaker 3: He said, they said, you know, there's a half a
Speaker 3: million dollars worth of effects in that film. We can't
Speaker 3: do anything like that, he says, I'm not asking you to.
Speaker 3: I said, this is going to be very honest. This
Speaker 3: is going to be very truthful. This would have been
Speaker 3: something that would have been in every bigfoot person's library
Speaker 3: of John Green and Bob Gimlin talking about the Patterson
Speaker 3: film around the campfire there at the film site, no effects, nothing,
Speaker 3: just raw footage of us talking about that day. And
Speaker 3: when they pulled out of that project, I was sick.
Speaker 3: I thought, my god. I said that was going to
Speaker 3: be so cool. I had Bob Gimlin ready to come
Speaker 3: down from Yakamal, Washington and this trailer with three horses,
Speaker 3: and we were going to go and film it. But
Speaker 3: it didn't happen.
Speaker 5: It's never too late.
Speaker 3: Well, John Green's gone and Bob Gimblin is not in
Speaker 3: good health now, so it is too late.
Speaker 2: So that's true.
Speaker 3: Well, so that can't happen. I still am very I
Speaker 3: encourage people to listen to if it's on the internet,
Speaker 3: of the blog talk program I did with Bob Gimbling
Speaker 3: and John Green, because it's it's it's a hell of
Speaker 3: a good program. I have to say myself. I wouldn't respond.
Speaker 3: I just managed to arrange it and put it all together.
Speaker 3: But as far as the actual program, it's Bob and John.
Speaker 3: They were phenomenal.
Speaker 2: M Yeah, I've always wanted to meet Bob, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I know he's had a lot of conventions,
Speaker 2: you know, I know he attends the Big for Conference
Speaker 2: a lot, and I went there for the first time
Speaker 2: this past year and I really was impressed. It was
Speaker 2: really nice. Got to meet a lot of great people,
Speaker 2: Jeff Melgium and Chris Barackman, Bobo, you know, several others,
Speaker 2: and uh, you know a lot of people you've always
Speaker 2: known just through social media and you got you finally
Speaker 2: get to meet him in person, and you know, and
Speaker 2: sometimes would share stories and swap information and you know,
Speaker 2: and just have a global times well marked.
Speaker 3: The worse than one. Heck of a job with that.
Speaker 3: I did it in the early days before it's kicked off,
Speaker 3: when Don Keating was doing it and Mark was of
Speaker 3: course helping as well, but I was doing it before
Speaker 3: it really kicked off. And uh, Mark has done a
Speaker 3: phenomenal job with it. You know, it's promoted it well,
Speaker 3: and you know he's a pet Barnum as far as
Speaker 3: I'm concerned in a bigfoot lore. Yeah, in fact, I'm
Speaker 3: on hockey I was at Hockey Hills. Uh Hi, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do that. And next September, I think is
Speaker 3: the time. I'm not quite sure, but I've already I've
Speaker 3: already told him I would do that.
Speaker 2: So I definitely want to talk to you off air.
Speaker 2: You know about a few you're you know, would you
Speaker 2: ever come back to Virginia?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well I've got a couple of nieces in
Speaker 3: Virginia that heck, when we went there and did the
Speaker 3: conference with Billy Willard, they came over and I'd never
Speaker 3: met them before.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 4: I saw the pictures.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wouldn't take me too much to get back.
Speaker 3: I love Virginia. I think, you know, as far as
Speaker 3: I'm concerned, that's probably Bigfoot Central.
Speaker 4: You got that much wild area.
Speaker 3: It's no where nobody's been that tells me that the
Speaker 3: population of those things is probably greater than anywhere.
Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you, you know, just me alone,
Speaker 2: as far as reports I've gathered, you know, when I
Speaker 2: when I when I started putting more information out publicly.
Speaker 2: I mean, you'll be surprised the people that came out
Speaker 2: of the woodwork that was willing to talk.
Speaker 3: You know, I've always said the reports don't get reported,
Speaker 3: or sis never get reported. Yeah, because most people don't
Speaker 3: want people think they're an idiot. They don't. They refuse
Speaker 3: to believe what they've seen, and.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you don't. Yeah. These are people that weren't believers,
Speaker 2: so they couldn't believe what they saw, you know, standing
Speaker 2: on the side of the road and crossing the road.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, absolutely, I mean that's happened. I mean, you
Speaker 3: get law enforcement people that have seen these things be
Speaker 3: forse they just shut up about it.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: I had a signing within Oh god, it's within a
Speaker 3: half mile of here. The conservation officer told me about
Speaker 3: and he found sixteen inch footprints after the siding, and
Speaker 3: he said, I can't say anything about this. He said,
Speaker 3: I'll show you the area, said, I'll tell you what happened.
Speaker 3: I investigated it and it was a pretty wild one.
Speaker 3: It was guys hunting squirrels and they one of the
Speaker 3: young men came up upon one. Basically they charged him
Speaker 3: and then that moment of charging, this kid sunk to
Speaker 3: his knees, even though he had a shotgun in his
Speaker 3: last up and had total fear, And as they took
Speaker 3: off through the woods, screaming like a babin and his
Speaker 3: friend saw it too, and his friends thought he just
Speaker 3: picked up his gun and ran home about three miles.
Speaker 3: In fact, they couldn't find him right away, and they
Speaker 3: thought once it happened to him and he was at home,
Speaker 3: and they kept him apart in the conservation officer that
Speaker 3: got called and investigated it, he kept them apart and
Speaker 3: both had them both draw pictures of what they'd seen,
Speaker 3: and they drew the same thing. They weren't artists by
Speaker 3: any stretch of the imagination, but they drew the same thing.
Speaker 3: And that family moved out of that area. It's it's
Speaker 3: I didn't get there in two minutes from my house
Speaker 3: this course that this happened in.
Speaker 2: So that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Morning outside and hear it sounds that I couldn't explain
Speaker 3: what they were not my back door.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard various different sounds, screams, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, I've I've heard different howls. I heard whoops
Speaker 2: and you know, but a lot of howls, you know,
Speaker 2: I get a lot of that, like the sound off
Speaker 2: at night. Uh bart, I was a very famous in
Speaker 2: my area. They're very common.
Speaker 3: Yeah, several of my back. Well. Bob Jackson, the y
Speaker 3: Elston Park ranger, when he described the screams that they
Speaker 3: had heard, he was he was on horseback with a
Speaker 3: talking to a guide to hunting guide and basically he
Speaker 3: described as this sound came out of a valley, sound
Speaker 3: like a thousand elk going to their death. He said,
Speaker 3: there's no animal there that he knew of. They could
Speaker 3: have made the gott in that volume or the length
Speaker 3: of the scream, that amount of power that he was
Speaker 3: aware of. And all the trail crews in Yellowstone National
Speaker 3: Park fine footprints and sea things. And when they had
Speaker 3: the big fires in Yellowstone, I said, how many years ago?
Speaker 3: He said, for about five or six years ago. That
Speaker 3: for five or six years excuse me, they weren't reported,
Speaker 3: but they came back and there they see him in
Speaker 3: Yellowstone from time to time. I told Jim, Bob told me.
Speaker 3: He said, the place is table mountain T A B
Speaker 3: L E. So that's the area. Let's go for vacation
Speaker 3: Yelstow National Park camping there.
Speaker 2: Nice. Now you mentioned you know you're talking about how
Speaker 2: law enforcement. You know, some law enforcement have seen things,
Speaker 2: are you. I'm sure you're familiar with the Beast of
Speaker 2: Whitehall that was featured on the Monster Quest.
Speaker 3: I think so that one Bender Nagel was in.
Speaker 2: I can't remember if he was in it, and you
Speaker 2: may have been. Yeah, the white Hall, New York. The
Speaker 2: police officer who actually had the sighting in nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 2: His name is Paul Goslin. Yeah, yeah, he was the
Speaker 2: police officer back then. I was recently contacted by his
Speaker 2: wife and she which I was like, I was kind
Speaker 2: of like, whoa, okay, you know, her name is Sue,
Speaker 2: Sue got Sutling, and she gave me a run back.
Speaker 2: She messaged me through my my event page for the
Speaker 2: conference that we're having this coming this year here, and
Speaker 2: you know she was she checked it over and she
Speaker 2: was telling me how impressive she was the way everything's looking.
Speaker 2: And she explained to.
Speaker 4: Me who she was.
Speaker 2: I mean, she introduced herself, said hey, mom, my husband
Speaker 2: was the police officer that was featured on Monster Quest
Speaker 2: who had a sighting back in nineteen seventy six. It's
Speaker 2: known as the Beast of Whitehall and and she mentioned
Speaker 2: that they have a book coming out. They have a
Speaker 2: new book coming out. It's you know, based off the
Speaker 2: true story and everything, and uh, yeah, it's all on
Speaker 2: a true story. Actually excuse me. And she had actually
Speaker 2: asked if they could attend to our event and I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, absolutely, you know, I mean I want book. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm booked on speakers. But I told her,
Speaker 2: I said, you tell I told her. I said, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what. I will fit you in there. I'll
Speaker 2: get you in there. You guys go have a table
Speaker 2: and in the early you know, I said I could
Speaker 2: get you know, if Paul wants to come up and
Speaker 2: say a few words, I'll be glad to throw him
Speaker 2: in there in the early part of the day one.
Speaker 2: You know, we have a two day conference. So I said,
Speaker 2: I'll definitely fit him in there. I said, that would
Speaker 2: be great to have him there. You know, you know
Speaker 2: the band that was featured on the Monster Quest, you know,
Speaker 2: and you know it's to me, it's a famous New
Speaker 2: York you know, you know documentary and sighting, you know,
Speaker 2: so the Beast of Whitehall. So so yeah, we got
Speaker 2: Paul Goslin, the police officer and his wife they'll come
Speaker 2: down to sell their books and you know, speak a
Speaker 2: few words on everything, which I thought would be pretty cool.
Speaker 3: So but well, I did I have film Monster Quest.
Speaker 3: It never aired because I made fun of him the
Speaker 3: whole time. Oh man, I said, now the hell you
Speaker 3: guys talking bigfoot with with a catering crew, a light
Speaker 3: guy and a sound guy. Uh, you know this big
Speaker 3: crew and it ain't gonna happen. See And he told
Speaker 3: me I was so bad. She said, they came because
Speaker 3: they were here at my house, a crew from Minnesota,
Speaker 3: and they come down and they did a couple I
Speaker 3: did turn them onto a couple of good witnesses and
Speaker 3: they filmed them. But they said, what do you think
Speaker 3: of our chances of going out and filming in Bigfoot?
Speaker 3: I said about one in a million. I said, but
Speaker 3: if I if I thought that you would and I
Speaker 3: was going to take you there and thought that she
Speaker 3: might have a chance to get a film of a bigfoot,
Speaker 3: I said, I'd already have an arrangement made with you.
Speaker 3: She said, well, what was that? I said, you would
Speaker 3: only one million dollars, because that's probably what that film
Speaker 3: would be worth. It was worth a whoon. They just
Speaker 3: got mad, and they didn't run none of the footages
Speaker 3: we shot because I made I made fun of him.
Speaker 3: I thought it was dumb. It's about like finding Bigfoot,
Speaker 3: you know. It's I had ideas for Bigfoot shows thirty
Speaker 3: years ago, and then all of a sudden, now it's
Speaker 3: become like I don't know, it's become a phenomenon, which
Speaker 3: I think is great. I think a lot of people
Speaker 3: if they want to go look for big so whatever
Speaker 3: takes it gets them in the woods and out in
Speaker 3: front of a computer. I'm all for.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, brother, absolutely.
Speaker 3: I said, anything gets you in contact with mother Nature.
Speaker 3: I said, you see, you're not gonna be thinking about it.
Speaker 3: You're gonna be entranced on something else. And this is
Speaker 3: gonna become completely by accident if it ever happens.
Speaker 2: But you don't go for what, We'll tell you what, Larry,
Speaker 2: I have more questions, but uh, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: let we have Zach Strick in here, and uh, I'm sorry, Zach,
Speaker 2: I've been I put the poor guy on hold, but
Speaker 2: I know he's got a few things he wants to
Speaker 2: get up there, you know, and probably throw in there
Speaker 2: to be part of this. So Zach, you're now live
Speaker 2: with us, So if you have any questions or anything
Speaker 2: you want to ask, Larry, go ahead, Zack.
Speaker 5: Well, first off, mister Batson, it's a very nice finally
Speaker 5: meet you. And I mean I mean all that I mean, Larry,
Speaker 5: you're not not even two hundred miles away from what
Speaker 5: my base of operations is with my team in southern Illinois.
Speaker 5: I'm from round Carbondale, Illinois. If you know where that's at, yeah,
Speaker 5: And I mean you could tell and you probably will
Speaker 5: agree with me that in you and my part, between
Speaker 5: you and me, where you're from in Indiana and where
Speaker 5: I'm at here in Illinois, that it would be perfect
Speaker 5: habitat for Bigfoot to hide out because there's a Shawne
Speaker 5: National Force between you and me, there's the Garden of
Speaker 5: the Gods and a whole bunch of things. And especially
Speaker 5: right here in south Illinois where the rivers intersect, where
Speaker 5: Ohio River and Mississippi River meet, it's prim trafic corridor.
Speaker 3: Well, I've had the snakes in those areas.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got Tama rattlers, copper heads.
Speaker 7: Uh, Now.
Speaker 3: I know wild area. I have a I've collected reptiles
Speaker 3: and know that area before.
Speaker 2: So Hey, Zach, real quick, sitting out in you? Are
Speaker 2: you sitting out in your truck tack? Yeah, I hear
Speaker 2: a lot of wind in your microphone.
Speaker 5: Well that's because I'm breathing in it to it. I've
Speaker 5: got it on speakerphone where I can sit here and
Speaker 5: lessen and relax.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, you don't have to speak so close to
Speaker 2: it them. That's why. That's why I use a headset.
Speaker 2: I'm hands free, but it's kind.
Speaker 5: Of hard when people steal your headsets.
Speaker 2: Well, it's no different if I was gonna sit out
Speaker 2: in my miniv and I have a I have a
Speaker 2: phone mount that's mounted. It's my windshields, so you know
Speaker 2: that when I do my Facebook rides when I'm driving.
Speaker 2: But just a suggestion, But getting back to what.
Speaker 5: Larry was talking about where people get drug out of
Speaker 5: their tents and how a sasquatch could be an aggressive creature,
Speaker 5: I wholehardly agree. And Larry, you, being a researcher for wildlife,
Speaker 5: you can agree with me whenever I say this, and
Speaker 5: Daniel tell you I've said this plenty of times that
Speaker 5: any kind of creature, whether it be human or animal,
Speaker 5: if you back them into a corner, or you get
Speaker 5: between them and they're young, you're gonna have a fight
Speaker 5: on your hands.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've got a possibly've rescued. It'll kick your
Speaker 3: ass in a minute.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've seen that. I'm a cattle farmer, and
Speaker 5: I'm a cattle farmer here in southern Illinois, and I
Speaker 5: have forty head of black angus limousine and charolete.
Speaker 4: Her for cat.
Speaker 5: And I know I know that firsthand. You get between
Speaker 5: another cow and her calf and she'll mow you down
Speaker 5: and make the dirt mop out of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get broken ribs at least out of the deal.
Speaker 2: Oh I did.
Speaker 5: I got was spun around by a cow about two
Speaker 5: three weeks ago when we had one that had twins
Speaker 5: and we was trying to get her and her other
Speaker 5: calf up to the corral where we had the other
Speaker 5: one that she abandoned, and I got between her and
Speaker 5: that calf, and she spun me around a tree.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's more people be hurt by cattle and horses
Speaker 3: and all the wild animals combined like either one.
Speaker 5: But right, I got a question for you. There's so
Speaker 5: much speculation out there in the world or whenever it
Speaker 5: comes to bigfoot. Where do you stand? Do you think
Speaker 5: it's human orrella comminid? Do you think it's undiscovered ape?
Speaker 5: Where's your take on this?
Speaker 3: It's not an epe, it's not an ape. If it
Speaker 3: was an ape, we do it. We have one, you know,
Speaker 3: the zoological facility. By now it's it's above that what
Speaker 3: it is. We're still not sure. You know, there's even
Speaker 3: the talking I've heard there is of Nathander tal Caveman.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's you know, I think it's
Speaker 3: in their subspecies of them, because you know, you get
Speaker 3: into Canada, northern California, you hear more reports of the
Speaker 3: larger species, and then you get down to the Florida,
Speaker 3: the skun Caps where they're much smaller and a lot
Speaker 3: of that runs. I'll take you the parallel is the
Speaker 3: mountain lions. You know, you go to get in the Florida,
Speaker 3: you got the Florida panther, it's a much smaller cat
Speaker 3: twenty pounds. You get up in the western western part
Speaker 3: of the country you get the mountain lions that go
Speaker 3: close to two hundred pounds. And one theory that I've
Speaker 3: always had about these getting I get off the subject
Speaker 3: so you excuse me, is that these things will track
Speaker 3: a mountain lion and wait for the mountain lion to
Speaker 3: make a kill, and then they'll move the mountain lion
Speaker 3: off to kill and take it. Honestly, believe that's true.
Speaker 3: I just think there's so much and for this for
Speaker 3: a sasquatch, their mountain line to be easy to track
Speaker 3: because they're so vocal, and when they make her kill,
Speaker 3: they're so vocal that hell. So I see they're parallels
Speaker 3: and they're so highly intelligent. You know they have they
Speaker 3: have not only their vocalizations with screams and chibberish want up,
Speaker 3: but they actually have they can mimic the emon voice.
Speaker 3: I've got a friend who has a cabin up in
Speaker 3: northern or northern Washington, right on the Canadian border, and
Speaker 3: he was down at his neighbors. So they got this
Speaker 3: big rottweiler. Well, his neighbor was aware of them as well.
Speaker 3: They've been around his cabin too. They just living a
Speaker 3: couple of miles apart. And one night they were sitting
Speaker 3: standing on the porch and they could hear him in
Speaker 3: the forest. They could hear him something moving to the forest.
Speaker 3: So the Rottweiler gets down barely off of the porch
Speaker 3: and just lets out this little growl. So they, you know,
Speaker 3: they realize that's what's there. So they're standing there and
Speaker 3: they're watching this dog with this low ground. All of
Speaker 3: a sudden, out of the forest comes this vocalization. The
Speaker 3: dog's name was Moody, and they said, if it as
Speaker 3: clear as could be, they heard this thing going movely, movedly,
Speaker 3: and you know, they thought, well, basically, it's trying to
Speaker 3: call the dog, because there's a history of them hating dogs.
Speaker 3: You know, they've taken German shepherds and blood outs and
Speaker 3: killed them like by twisting them like a wet water shreg.
Speaker 3: And so he said, after they'd heard that, they said,
Speaker 3: that just screwed everything all up. They said, now we
Speaker 3: alburt for sure. We don't know what we're dealing with.
Speaker 3: And they just went into the cabin and turned off
Speaker 3: all the lights for the ninth.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you were talking about how they disliked dogs greatly.
Speaker 5: I have a show on YouTube called Backwards Investigations, and
Speaker 5: and I invite on and I interview guests. That's researchers
Speaker 5: in the topic of bigfoot, dog man, other types of cryptids,
Speaker 5: and the one guy I had on it was sometime
Speaker 5: last year, late last year in December named Rich Daniels
Speaker 5: out in New Mexico, and he was talking about whenever
Speaker 5: he goes and he wants to make sure that they
Speaker 5: stay out of his camp, he'll go to a local
Speaker 5: groomer and get a trash bag of dog hare and
Speaker 5: he'll sit it out and just let the scent of
Speaker 5: that dog hair go out and it keeps him out
Speaker 5: of his camp. And back in twenty sixteen, I had
Speaker 5: my cousin Kyle with me and we did our first
Speaker 5: annual bigfoot camp out on my farm, and we had
Speaker 5: a neighbor's dog come with us. She's a blue tick.
Speaker 5: And I agree that they don't really care for dogs
Speaker 5: and that they feel like it's a territorial encroachment whenever
Speaker 5: they're close to a dog or dogs close to them.
Speaker 5: Him and me had the dog out with us on
Speaker 5: a night hunt, and the dog would get away from us.
Speaker 5: She'd go maybe about ten twenty yards beller and come
Speaker 5: back and she would be trailing something, and we followed
Speaker 5: her all night, but then we sat down to take
Speaker 5: about five five minutes, we sat down on stump, and
Speaker 5: we shut all our lights off and she got away
Speaker 5: from us. And then when she started doing that bow
Speaker 5: of that boom, and she got and then I said,
Speaker 5: come here, Sally, come here, girl, And I started snapping
Speaker 5: my fingers and whistling, and then all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: We heard like a.
Speaker 5: And it sounded like something that hit her. It sounded
Speaker 5: like someone slapped her open hand across a face. And
Speaker 5: she let out a yelp, and she come running back
Speaker 5: and she had a bit of a limp to her.
Speaker 5: She got underneath me and my cousin Kyle's legs and
Speaker 5: head and she wouldn't come out. And then that's when
Speaker 5: stuff started happening around us. She will not leave camp
Speaker 5: and unless one of us went with her, and she
Speaker 5: would sleep right next to the fire ring.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dogs won't track them. That's been tried. They will not.
Speaker 3: And I've heard of bloodhounds being drowned in the sixth
Speaker 3: is of water that was down Arkansas or something basically
Speaker 3: in the bloodhou is a big damn dog. I mean
Speaker 3: that's a big you know. And they're pretty tough.
Speaker 2: And four the fishes too wanted to provoked.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so for one to be drowned six inches
Speaker 3: of water. You know, you know, it's had to me
Speaker 3: something pretty powerful to do that. Yeah, they they don't
Speaker 3: like dogs because there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those in the ass. There was another report. It's
Speaker 2: actually happened about an hour and a half east of
Speaker 2: me in Louisa County here in Virginia, and I was
Speaker 2: notified about it by this girl I went to school with.
Speaker 2: It was her uncle's property. And and the thing is
Speaker 2: she sent me pictures, She sent me some you know,
Speaker 2: there was foot tracks that they found going across the property.
Speaker 2: And what happened was before her uncle found these foot tracks,
Speaker 2: what led to him looking around was he wanted to
Speaker 2: go check on his dog's, feed his dogs or something.
Speaker 2: Now keep in mind, his dogs were on chains and
Speaker 2: the chains were you know, you know, they were in
Speaker 2: spikes that went into the ground. Both of his dogs
Speaker 2: were gone and the chains were gone, the spikes were gone.
Speaker 2: Everything was gone. And I wanted to investigate that so bad.
Speaker 2: But she contacted me back. She said, you know, when
Speaker 2: the police came to investigate, somehow Billy Willard got ahold
Speaker 2: of that report. So once he got into it and
Speaker 2: got started with it, I said, no, I left it alone.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to interfere. So Billy Willard did a
Speaker 2: big report and actually posted several tracks and photos relating
Speaker 2: to that situation. And the funny thing is, not only
Speaker 2: did I know the girl who you know, I went
Speaker 2: to school with her and I actually used to work
Speaker 2: for her uncle. I did mesary work, you know, And
Speaker 2: so I said, yeah, I would have loved to get
Speaker 2: up there if I had the first shot at it.
Speaker 2: But so, but you know that was interesting is that,
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, the dogs are missing. I mean,
Speaker 2: the all the evidence they have is the you know,
Speaker 2: the humanoid looking foot tracks you know on the property
Speaker 2: going across the field.
Speaker 3: You know, Well that's pretty good evidence.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, they don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard where a guy, uh just got back
Speaker 3: from Vietnam, went on a fishing trip with his nephew
Speaker 3: up in northern Indiana and he took along his dog.
Speaker 3: A similar incident. They were sleeping in a tent one
Speaker 3: night and heard something rumbling around their camp and the
Speaker 3: dog bolted out and heard the thumb or had been
Speaker 3: hit and run back in the tent. Wouldn't go back out. Well,
Speaker 3: this is a tack trained German shepherd and it was
Speaker 3: completely buffaloed by whatever it was. Well, they saw it.
Speaker 3: I mean they got a pretty damn good look.
Speaker 4: At it, so.
Speaker 3: They knew what did it for the dog.
Speaker 7: Absolutely that you brought up a about it being the
Speaker 7: sasquatch being.
Speaker 5: Uh relic hominid. This is a theory that me and
Speaker 5: my neighbor who's a got a PhD in psychology. He
Speaker 5: used to be a psychologist and a medical doctor and
Speaker 5: he's from India. And Daniel, you've heard me talk about
Speaker 5: this a couple of times. The Homo heidelbergainst Us uh
Speaker 5: origin theory. Well, what him and me believe is that
Speaker 5: this is just a theory is that scientists believe that
Speaker 5: Homo sapiens, Homo Neanderthalensis all stem from Homo Huddelbergenstus. But
Speaker 5: the Neanderthals went to uh, the Homo sapiens went to Africa.
Speaker 5: What about in Asia? If we point the term home
Speaker 5: old megapodentis for Bigfoot in Latin, what if that's where
Speaker 5: home omegapodentis or Bigfoot went to because some of the
Speaker 5: farthest back reports that have been reported throughout history started
Speaker 5: in Asia.
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's it's just speculation. I mean, you know
Speaker 3: it's it's I speculate a lot too. We can't we
Speaker 3: can't identify this thing that we have a part of one.
Speaker 3: I mean even John Green said, if you if one
Speaker 3: ever is killed in the field, you don't have to
Speaker 3: bring the whole body out. Let's bring a part of it,
Speaker 3: you know, the head, the hen. Of course, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not interested on killing one because I'm sure once
Speaker 3: they're proven to exist, I think all hellibury lose.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, that's what happens with Gorilla.
Speaker 3: Gorilla was completely.
Speaker 4: No, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think they should be killed. I don't know
Speaker 3: smart enough to be a legend for ever. I don't
Speaker 3: what's what's the advantage of identifying the species? They'll just
Speaker 3: give Basically what it would do is all the people
Speaker 3: that have seen him and just say, oh, I guess
Speaker 3: I was right. Well if I saw one and got
Speaker 3: a damn good look at it, and I know I
Speaker 3: was right, so you know I have so that's uh. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I know I don't think we should kill one.
Speaker 3: I'm like my wife's the same theories. You leave them alone.
Speaker 3: You know, we've lost a lot of species. We've discovered
Speaker 3: and kill. But I'm not for I'm thinking that a
Speaker 3: bunch of hunters could go in and track one down,
Speaker 3: because they've tried that already but not too much success,
Speaker 3: you know, couples.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was just gonna ask, you know, for
Speaker 2: out there. I know one of the biggest things. You know,
Speaker 2: a lot of people ask, is big foot aggressive? Are
Speaker 2: they you know? Or are they you know? Uh? You know?
Speaker 2: And I know there's reports of them being aggressive, uh
Speaker 2: you know, and then both being curious and you know,
Speaker 2: I've heard a few of people the aggression before twice.
Speaker 3: But oh damn sure, for certain they are.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I know you had a story you share that
Speaker 2: you learned about that you were called about over in Ohio.
Speaker 2: I recall you talking about that story that was pretty interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is that homeowners still there, the one who kept having
Speaker 2: Yeah he's still there, Yeah, okay, still receiving activity over there.
Speaker 3: Well, they do. It's it's it's filled up a lot
Speaker 3: since he's moved there. When he was there, he was
Speaker 3: about the only one that lived in that area. You know,
Speaker 3: they build a home in the middle of nowhere. That's
Speaker 3: what he's an outdoors and that's what he wanted, he thought.
Speaker 3: But and now the people build homes in that area
Speaker 3: and that stuff happens to him. He received so much
Speaker 3: harassment after he went to papers and TV and let
Speaker 3: people know what and he now people talk, try to
Speaker 3: talk about it. He won't, you know, he just laughs
Speaker 3: at him. He just looks. He says, oh, good luck
Speaker 3: with that. He says he'll send on his porch. He
Speaker 3: says he'll send all his porch. He said he hadn't
Speaker 3: one neighbor. He called him nature boy to build a
Speaker 3: home want and keep all the trees and everything up
Speaker 3: wild around it. And he said he sounds portrayal. And
Speaker 3: I could hear the screams coming down by nature Boy's
Speaker 3: house and all the lights come on. Before he knew
Speaker 3: he was cutting down trees and bowing his grass and
Speaker 3: making things a little more civilized.
Speaker 4: I guess, wow.
Speaker 3: So he just laughs about it now. But I'll tell
Speaker 3: you what he when I when I when he when
Speaker 3: I was first contacted by him, and he told me
Speaker 3: some of the stuff that had happened. I had to
Speaker 3: go up and talk to him in person, and he
Speaker 3: basically had had a journal put together that when I
Speaker 3: looked at the journal and he had dates and everything
Speaker 3: had happened, complete analysis of the stories, picture of the
Speaker 3: foot prints he found around his house and so forth,
Speaker 3: and articles in the paper from the area. And I
Speaker 3: told him, I said, man, this is amazing. I said,
Speaker 3: I wish I could have a chance to read this all.
Speaker 3: And his wife just flat told me, she said, if
Speaker 3: you give me a couple of weeks, i'll type it
Speaker 3: all out and send it to you. And she did.
Speaker 3: And I'll say, well, it's a book in itself. I
Speaker 3: can hear him one of the top authorities in the
Speaker 3: whole country on this subject. And I've tried to talk
Speaker 3: to first, I said, I told him, I said, I'm
Speaker 3: going to be up I did the Chattaqua length Bigfoot
Speaker 3: conference years ago. I said, that's not far from you.
Speaker 3: I said, you ought to come over. No, not interested,
Speaker 3: not interested at all. And in fact, I had a
Speaker 3: film crew going to go up to that area and
Speaker 3: do a film and his house is going to be
Speaker 3: home base. And the night before we were to go,
Speaker 3: he called me says, I'm pulling out. Not interested in
Speaker 3: having all that up here. No way, No, don't want
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 8: So, yeah, that's interesting because I'm obviously within an hour
Speaker 8: from there.
Speaker 2: I'm between the Expo and Connie. That's that's where I reside.
Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah, it's not as wild as it once was.
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what. He had so much stuff
Speaker 3: happened to him, and he had seen it several times.
Speaker 3: In fact, when you talked about the thing rocking back
Speaker 3: and forth, he observed that one night he was on
Speaker 3: his back patio and he had one security light and
Speaker 3: it was it was late, you know, on that security light,
Speaker 3: and he could see something in the darkness. He couldn't
Speaker 3: make anything out, you know, you kind of when you
Speaker 3: look at the darkness and the veins are moving, you
Speaker 3: can't tell what the hell it is. And all of
Speaker 3: a sudden it walked underneath the light, and that light
Speaker 3: cascaded over its head and shoulders, and he watched it
Speaker 3: and just stood there and rock back and forth, looking
Speaker 3: at him, breathing real low. Then after about two or
Speaker 3: three three minutes, it just took a step back and
Speaker 3: into the forest and he couldn't see anymore, and it
Speaker 3: took off, and his guest dem in on that one
Speaker 3: was about eight feet tall, I believe, but he said
Speaker 3: nothing told him that he was this thing down another
Speaker 3: thing I need to explain. They're not afraid of us
Speaker 3: at all. And I totally believe that if they think
Speaker 3: you're going to do anything that affects their freedom or
Speaker 3: their lives, they'll kill you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's back to life.
Speaker 3: They are here and they are aggressive. And he told
Speaker 3: me there was well then two incidents. He had a
Speaker 3: big one in there that he was totally afraid of.
Speaker 3: He wouldn't go back out without any firearm. And the
Speaker 3: report I was out a mortgam and Roe State Force
Speaker 3: in southern Indiana of one that was leaving a god
Speaker 3: with a twenty one inch footprint, a huge monster thing.
Speaker 3: And the guy that lived in that house that had
Speaker 3: all visit dealings with them several several times, he said,
Speaker 3: when that thing was around, he said, uh, the smaller
Speaker 3: ones he'd never heard or saw. He said, this thing
Speaker 3: was something something else. He said, it was a whole
Speaker 3: different deal. Hold.
Speaker 2: So what do you believe their take is when they're
Speaker 2: you know, because a lot of them, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: they like to stay hidden. They don't like to reveal themselves,
Speaker 2: although people do have sightings. I mean, do you believe
Speaker 2: they just don't want to be bothered? Pretty much on
Speaker 2: the most part.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, absolutely, it's no different than the gorilla's up
Speaker 3: in the mountain gorilla is up in uh In in Africa.
Speaker 3: The people that take you back to see the mountain gorillas,
Speaker 3: they're not easy to find. They don't want to be bothered.
Speaker 3: The same thing as the ide apes. They don't want
Speaker 3: to be you know. Now, let's they're you know, like
Speaker 3: Macacus and you figuring out that people will feed them
Speaker 3: for the tourist industry in India and other parts of
Speaker 3: Indonesia where they come and take food. But most of
Speaker 3: your primates don't want to be bothered by us. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I don't find them, especially your great apes, your gorilla's,
Speaker 3: your chimps, your bonobo's gibbons, they don't you know.
Speaker 6: So as far as speculation, not to put you on
Speaker 6: the spot, what do you believe they.
Speaker 3: Are, Well, we don't know. I just be you know,
Speaker 3: I just be talking out. I think the species in
Speaker 3: its own I think it's it's like I've said, it's
Speaker 3: not an ape that we would like. I said, we
Speaker 3: would have had one already. It's not an ape. And
Speaker 3: they have too many human like features. Some of the
Speaker 3: faces are described ape like. Sometimes the faces arescribed a
Speaker 3: human like, so it's you know, they're like us. They
Speaker 3: all look different because that's sophisticated of an animal. They
Speaker 3: all look they all have different facial features. So you know,
Speaker 3: somebody comes up with a picture they think, well, this
Speaker 3: is what they look like. No, it's not what they
Speaker 3: look like. That's no, they all look different. They all
Speaker 3: have different faces, different buildings. Some are massive summer I've
Speaker 3: heard of reports of these Spinley ones that they said
Speaker 3: weren't really that heavy at all, and weren't that pig
Speaker 3: And so they're all different. They're like us, so they're
Speaker 3: closer to us, probably more than apes. The hair development's just.
Speaker 4: For survival, yeah, I mean they live in.
Speaker 3: Some pretty talking well brain and whether we've had twenty
Speaker 3: five below zero windshield here here lately, so.
Speaker 5: Pain brother, Well.
Speaker 3: Just think about this. That what a tough sn of
Speaker 3: a bitch they must be to be out twenty four
Speaker 3: to seven.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, think about that's true?
Speaker 5: I mean layer how much. I mean you got to
Speaker 5: imagine how thick the hair is on those things that
Speaker 5: makes them look so massive for them to be stable,
Speaker 5: stay warm and subsidt or temperatures.
Speaker 3: Well, and the reports of how quickly they move, you know, right,
Speaker 3: big animal like that be able to move with that
Speaker 3: dexterity and that quickness, and a lot of times and
Speaker 3: people have seen that, seen how athletic they are, they think,
Speaker 3: oh my god. Well, my friend in Ohio he said
Speaker 3: he realized when he watched one run one time that
Speaker 3: if he was in the woods and they wanted to
Speaker 3: take him out, they could do it, no problem, no,
Speaker 3: no question at all. They'd be on him. He'd be
Speaker 3: dead before he realized. What has happened?
Speaker 5: A question that just popped in my head. If they
Speaker 5: could kill us at a moment's notice, if they wanted to,
Speaker 5: and we would be completely in their power, how come
Speaker 5: there hasn't been no like a reported kill. Most people
Speaker 5: will be seeing them in a group. A group of
Speaker 5: people would see a massive sasquatch and that thing would
Speaker 5: go and have a chance to take one or all
Speaker 5: of them out. I mean, I'm pretty sure that a
Speaker 5: sasquatch could kill a group of five to ten people
Speaker 5: no problem, with just a single blow to each person.
Speaker 5: Do you think it would be intimidation by strength and
Speaker 5: numbers kind of factor or what's your.
Speaker 4: Take on that.
Speaker 3: I don't think that would happen. They were like all animals,
Speaker 3: they don't kill them out. This is absolutely necessary. And
Speaker 3: like I had told the report that I had gotten
Speaker 3: out of that Indian reservation where those three young Native
Speaker 3: Americans were killed running salmon lines. You know, apparently they
Speaker 3: were up to something else that got there, got them
Speaker 3: into trouble, caused one to be dismembered, one to be
Speaker 3: buried underneath pile of rock, and one just literally be
Speaker 3: beaten up against. So they must have had a damn
Speaker 3: good reason for ittorial Yeah, you know, the woods is
Speaker 3: full of bears. Bears could not take us out anytime
Speaker 3: they wanted to. Yeah, we're nocomplish for a bear one
Speaker 3: on one? Are you kidding me? It's swears for nothing.
Speaker 3: It's like when I raised when I raised baby bears,
Speaker 3: I don't never play with them because I don't want
Speaker 3: them to know how strong I am. It's all intimidation,
Speaker 3: you know. Want you snap your finger at him and
Speaker 3: get him to back off, because they if they figure
Speaker 3: figure out how strong you are, you're done. It's over.
Speaker 4: Brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's okay.
Speaker 3: Here, here's here's analogy I'll put to you. Almost you know,
Speaker 3: you're raised by your dad. Would you ever think no,
Speaker 3: of course it's happened before, But would you ever think
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just kick dad but tonight now because you
Speaker 3: know he raised in and they totally you know he
Speaker 3: has intimidated. Don't do that. Of course there are exceptions,
Speaker 3: I mean, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely in California, we have time basically for one
Speaker 2: more question, and I wanted to fill this one question out.
Speaker 2: A lot of people believe that they're habituating and they're leaving,
Speaker 2: you know, I believe leaving objects and gifts are out
Speaker 2: there to me are fine to try to experiment, to
Speaker 2: see interaction. And people like to leave food out there,
Speaker 2: which I don't think that's quite a good idea. And
Speaker 2: the other thing is, you know, when things are moved,
Speaker 2: they're changed around or taken, you know, we you know,
Speaker 2: people believe or they're assuming that sasquatch is interacting with them.
Speaker 2: I have something I'm experimenting with a rock stack and
Speaker 2: a feather. It's in it. When I've checked on it
Speaker 2: every so often, I believe there has been interaction, you know.
Speaker 2: And the thing that my take is if there is
Speaker 2: real interaction, we don't you know, we don't know if
Speaker 2: it's an animal or another person or you know whatever.
Speaker 2: But but you know, I what'sh your take on habituating?
Speaker 2: And you know, you know, I think people get misinterpret
Speaker 2: what hipraituating really is. You know. But as far as interacting,
Speaker 2: even gifting, having a gift in site, which are a
Speaker 2: lot of them referred to it as Yeah, what's your
Speaker 2: take on that?
Speaker 3: As I mentioned earlier, they're not predictable. So to put
Speaker 3: food down in there thinking they're going to come on
Speaker 3: a regular basis and take have food, I don't. I
Speaker 3: don't buy it, and not unless you're there to witness it,
Speaker 3: to see what's happened that rock pile and that food
Speaker 3: has been taken out of a tree. Uh, it means nothing.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's fun to speculate, you know,
Speaker 3: if kids want to do it and think you're looking
Speaker 3: for big fuck, Hey, go for it, brother gets you
Speaker 3: in the wood, whatever takes kids. But you know, I
Speaker 3: think that's that's too much speculation. Yeah, and it's supposed
Speaker 3: to make I absolutely do not have any Uh, I
Speaker 3: don't find any substance to anyone that's going the forest
Speaker 3: basically say they see them every time or they have
Speaker 3: now now they're too reclusive, they're too smart, they're too rare.
Speaker 3: I just don't buy it. Yeah, not unless you've got
Speaker 3: video or picture of them doing something like like I mentioned,
Speaker 3: taking food or you know, set a camera by I'd
Speaker 3: say put a game camera by it, but that don't
Speaker 3: work because they can smell them.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Well they've found wolves can smell those damn game cameras,
Speaker 3: so they're absolutely worthless.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they over them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, or like we said earlier, look
Speaker 3: at look look what these things must be. They live
Speaker 3: in the woods twenty four to seven, twenty four to seven,
Speaker 3: they got to be bad. They add ombres.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they are. Yeah, And I'm just under.
Speaker 8: The impression that if we build some time, if you
Speaker 8: could build some type of trust with them, uh you know,
Speaker 8: maybe you could get better interactions or game camera photos
Speaker 8: or whatever.
Speaker 3: Any problem with that, though they've dealt with too many
Speaker 3: humans as pointed rifles at him. Of course, my main
Speaker 3: thing about guys is put again on one. If I
Speaker 3: don't kill it in the first shot, that's what goes
Speaker 3: through their minds. So I guarantee you you may shoot
Speaker 3: it that one, but there's two or three that you
Speaker 3: don't see that's going to take you out right.
Speaker 2: Then it's just like if you're shoot an injure a
Speaker 2: bear and he runs, Yeah, he's gonna come. He's gonna
Speaker 2: come circle back around and come get you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, go ahead, follow that blood trail after
Speaker 3: you've wounded that bear.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Especially they can be a bear. They didn't even have
Speaker 5: to be shot. They can charge you. Look rapping Tom
Speaker 5: Moore about two years ago up in Montana where he
Speaker 5: got mauled by that sound twice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and you know these these these sasquatches,
Speaker 3: they're i'd considered they can bear temperament multiply by about twenty.
Speaker 3: They absolutely have no patience, not zero. You know, if
Speaker 3: you walked in the woods, he may have been seen
Speaker 3: and not even realize you've been seen and observed.
Speaker 2: Oh I believe that.
Speaker 3: Oh I know it's true. You've been observed, and they
Speaker 3: just decid, huh, I wonder what he's up to. Well,
Speaker 3: they know what you're up to. They can tell by
Speaker 3: watching what you're involved to do. And you know they
Speaker 3: can't watch you for a couple of minutes and to think,
Speaker 3: well he's looking for he's a hunters. So we're out
Speaker 3: of here. And sports have I taken? How many reports
Speaker 3: have I taken the people that deer and they've walked
Speaker 3: up on the deer and the sasquatch come out of
Speaker 3: the woods and toss the deer over his shoulder and
Speaker 3: take off with it.
Speaker 4: More than one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, I got an email from a fellow that had
Speaker 3: some He saw the two young ones look at him,
Speaker 3: and then the older one showed up on the scene,
Speaker 3: grabbed the deer, actively aggressive toward him, like Darren even
Speaker 3: did not take the deer. And then they took the
Speaker 3: deer and they all left. So it's interesting, you know,
Speaker 3: fifty years of doner. But like John Green said, he said,
Speaker 3: the longer you do it, the more questions you're going
Speaker 3: to have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what you gotta do is.
Speaker 3: You got to find parallels. If you if you hear
Speaker 3: a report, you got to think, how can I substantiate
Speaker 3: this report, how can I make it, you know, take
Speaker 3: some credibility to this report at all. So he's got
Speaker 3: to find the parallels. You got to find something that
Speaker 3: similar behavior. There's human, bear, whatever, gorilla. But I quite
Speaker 3: finny when I'm doing a program of per se in
Speaker 3: a library and given a lecture and guy comes up
Speaker 3: to me and he says, I track one. I track
Speaker 3: one in a minute if I saw one. Look, you know,
Speaker 3: that's really easy to say in this library, well in
Speaker 3: the middle of Columbus, Indiana. But if you're no woods
Speaker 3: in the darkness, and you hear the bar owls and
Speaker 3: the coyotes and you see one of these things, the
Speaker 3: last thing that's going to go through your mind is
Speaker 3: I'm going to.
Speaker 4: Track that some bit that's going to happen.
Speaker 3: It ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I'm in the area.
Speaker 3: Well, there's at the truth, there's a lot of people
Speaker 3: that because of their site has completely ruined their outdoor
Speaker 3: experience that whenever they go in the woods, they're always
Speaker 3: looking over their shoulder, and it's it's completely ruinedant for
Speaker 3: completely you know. No, you know, well't like the fell
Speaker 3: in Ohio. You won't go in the gun or go
Speaker 3: into the woods to that a gun I've never even
Speaker 3: carried again in my life. So that's kind of I
Speaker 3: kind of think, man, you must be really intimidated.
Speaker 2: So let's tell you what Larry. Before we go off
Speaker 2: here here, I want to thank you for adding me
Speaker 2: on your Facebook group. Larry the Animal guy and friends.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tell everybody about that because we post lots
Speaker 3: of great stuff about animals on it and our our
Speaker 3: work we do through our schools. And I want to
Speaker 3: mention too. I do have still have some DVDs left
Speaker 3: from the US Station Wildlife Service program that we did
Speaker 3: that they filmed. We did an hour long presentation. It
Speaker 3: has stuff like the Patterson film on it stuff and
Speaker 3: they're available through Larry the Animal If they messaged me,
Speaker 3: I can tell them how to get one.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: It's a story bo I mean, it's absolutely like John
Speaker 3: Green said, this is an historical moment for bigfoot researchers.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's good information. That's good to know. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll definitely I'll definitely give you your page to share
Speaker 2: as well. So and Larry, I can't thank you enough
Speaker 2: for Green to come on here and do this with us.
Speaker 2: And it's been a yeah, it's been a pleasure on
Speaker 2: you know, on my behalf and our behalf and the
Speaker 2: listeners and and uh and for the people in the
Speaker 2: live chat. I do apologize for not getting to the question.
Speaker 2: There was questions on the live chat that I didn't
Speaker 2: get I did not get to address, but uh maybe
Speaker 2: perhaps another Yeah, one of the questions, let me scroll
Speaker 2: back here because with a bunch of stuff here. Uh well,
Speaker 2: it was from one individual back to back. The one
Speaker 2: question was, so where do dead big bit where do
Speaker 2: dead bigfoots go? And something about something about we have
Speaker 2: no we have no skeletal skeletal evidence.
Speaker 3: So the woods are filled with animals, filled with animals.
Speaker 3: How many times do you walk through the woods do
Speaker 3: you find a dead one? Mother nature is a good
Speaker 3: way of getting rid of veins.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and I've had.
Speaker 3: More than one report of one being shot another one
Speaker 3: come in and carry it off, and more than I've
Speaker 3: heard that more than once. So as far as skeletal remains,
Speaker 3: they do have a remains up from northern Ohio and
Speaker 3: Project Bluebook mentioned of a large human like animal they
Speaker 3: found skeletons of and that's documented a whole area filled
Speaker 3: with that stuff. So m hm, And you know a bear,
Speaker 3: A bear skeleton looks very similar to human. Yes, if
Speaker 3: you take off the head and the and the pause feet,
Speaker 3: it looks yeah like that. More than once that's been
Speaker 3: identified as human remains were turned out of as a bear.
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't think they leave him around.
Speaker 3: I think mother nature takes him fairly quickly. And I
Speaker 3: think there's probably people that have found him and not
Speaker 3: realize what they're looking at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So as Zach keep that in mind. You can
Speaker 2: share that with Facebook user John Wayne. Everything that he
Speaker 2: shares on his page that I know that identify as bear,
Speaker 2: he's calling the big foot, you can pass it blocked.
Speaker 5: And it wasn't me that made him block Me was
Speaker 5: my buddy Luke White, who's a complete nonbeliever.
Speaker 2: But he told him.
Speaker 5: He says, if I see a bigfoot, I'll be sure
Speaker 5: to put a forty five right but between his eyes,
Speaker 5: and I'll drop him off at your front door and
Speaker 5: I'll kiss your ass.
Speaker 3: Tell him that will never happen. That is an anima
Speaker 3: quicker than the shooting one.
Speaker 2: Oh my, oh yeah, that's interesting though. But you know
Speaker 2: that's that's the thing a lot of people gotta understand.
Speaker 2: That's one thing I tell people. You've got to get
Speaker 2: familiar with your known wildlife. You know, I believe it's
Speaker 2: important to understand and know your wild life before you
Speaker 2: try to go something, uh, look for something or research
Speaker 2: something that's considered unclassified or unknown you know. Yeah, well
Speaker 2: you know we can better, you know better compare and analyze,
Speaker 2: you know, separate, you know. But well yeah that's that's
Speaker 2: good stuff.
Speaker 4: But uh.
Speaker 3: It was it was fun.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely again, anybody listening or future listeners, if you're
Speaker 2: on Facebook, look up Larry the Animal Guy and Friends
Speaker 2: Facebook group page and uh any other information. You can
Speaker 2: google his name too.
Speaker 3: So yeah, always Larry to teas and there's a bunch
Speaker 3: of stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, hey, Larry, I got a question for you.
Speaker 4: Okay, you are no kin.
Speaker 5: To Jerry and Ronda Batson?
Speaker 2: Are you.
Speaker 3: No to t's or one t.
Speaker 2: Uh one?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Okay, because I was going to say, because I got
Speaker 5: a bunch of bats that live around here.
Speaker 3: God, I'm so sorry. I really like to apologize for that.
Speaker 2: Well, Larry, uh well, thank you again, because you know
Speaker 2: the episode is going to be Well, you guys have
Speaker 2: a good night. Uh Zach you can stay put for
Speaker 2: just a couple of minutes, and Larry, I will be
Speaker 2: in the near future. I do want to talk to
Speaker 2: you about a couple of things in your future. You're here,
Speaker 2: so so at some point I will be Yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: be messaging you.
Speaker 5: So it sounds like, if you're ever in my area,
Speaker 5: look me up. I'll be glad to go out with you.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Well it's hard for me to get away.
Speaker 3: I got five tigers to take care of my wife.
Speaker 3: And when I tell my wife put expedition and leave
Speaker 3: her with all this responsibilities, she doesn't look too kindly
Speaker 3: of it, especially if I can walk out my back
Speaker 3: door and walk into one.
Speaker 2: So if i'm ember at your way, I definitely would
Speaker 2: love to have a tour of the place, if you
Speaker 2: don't mind. I love I love animals.
Speaker 3: Hell in the summer when not so much snow and
Speaker 3: mud like there's going to be here shortly. We're gonna
Speaker 3: get rained tomorrow, I guess. So it's gonna be a
Speaker 3: mudd hole.
Speaker 5: So rain early in the morning here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's get rid of all this darn snow
Speaker 3: and the sub zero Well, I think we're through the
Speaker 3: sub zero weather easily. February doesn't offer that so much.
Speaker 3: So I hope I'm right, got I.
Speaker 5: Hope don't jenksis Larry, I'm heading on, miss wild buddy.
Speaker 3: I may have put it out there and that may
Speaker 3: be a problem. Anyway, Well, it's nice talking to you.
Speaker 3: Guys pleasure.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you very much. You have a good
Speaker 2: nice here. Thank you, all right, bye bye. All right,
Speaker 2: that that concludes our guest for the evening, mister Larry
Speaker 2: bats and Larry the Animal Guy. Everybody, Well, thank you
Speaker 2: for listening to Squash Show Radio. Now we're gonna jump
Speaker 2: into our after show for the evening, just some brief discussions.
Speaker 2: So if there's anybody still out there listening, uh, perhaps
Speaker 2: feel free to call in to call in number it
Speaker 2: if you want to jump in on this live conversation.
Speaker 2: The airy code is six zero two seven five three
Speaker 2: one nine six three six zero two seven five three
Speaker 2: one nine six three. All right, Well Zach is just
Speaker 2: right now is just me and you. Oh man, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what I really enjoyed that that was a
Speaker 2: lot of information there.
Speaker 5: So, oh, I was surprised about this and everything and
Speaker 5: hearing him just talking everything and a very knowledgeable man,
Speaker 5: especially about wildlife. And uh, I mean, I didn't even
Speaker 5: know who Roddy Batsman was until you brought it up.
Speaker 5: And then he's talking about Johnny Carson and I remember
Speaker 5: seeing him on shows like that and uh, doing spots
Speaker 5: on talk shows and the like, and I mean, I
Speaker 5: knew I'd heard of him before, I just couldn't place
Speaker 5: the face.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Larry, Yeah, he's pretty well known. He's he's
Speaker 2: been around the world, all across the country, and uh,
Speaker 2: I'm actually one of the images I saw of him
Speaker 2: was Betty Way from the Golden Girls, well many years ago,
Speaker 2: where they were standing together and he had a python
Speaker 2: around his neck standing right next to Betty Wait from
Speaker 2: the Golden Girls.
Speaker 5: Oh God, I would not be nowhere near that man.
Speaker 5: I hate snakes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, when he does a presentation, he brings, you know,
Speaker 2: so much of his animals to the presentation that introduces him.
Speaker 2: He gives a little bit of knowledge about each one,
Speaker 2: which I find very you know, very interesting and very impressive.
Speaker 2: And in one of the presentations I see that he's
Speaker 2: done was actually done here in Virginia. He actually called
Speaker 2: up somebody from the audience and ended up, you know,
Speaker 2: bringing up a young boy. I think the boy was
Speaker 2: probably about twelve eleven, twelve, maybe thirteen, And before he
Speaker 2: even introduced what he was going to bring out, he
Speaker 2: was directing and instructing the young boy to hold his
Speaker 2: arms out and to hold his arms out instead.
Speaker 5: It's usually a bad sign when they say stick your
Speaker 5: arm at there for a second. Son.
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because I wasn't sure, but I had
Speaker 2: idea what was going on. And sure enough he walks
Speaker 2: out to the side and he comes back with his
Speaker 2: you know, probably eight foot long seven eight foot long
Speaker 2: python so and god, I mean willies, and he takes
Speaker 2: the pipe on Wendy bag.
Speaker 5: If they're in the back, no, I'll make one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was just wondering what was going through that little
Speaker 2: boy's mind. I was like, no, because I don't like snakes,
Speaker 2: but I mean I've been close to them, you know,
Speaker 2: both poisonous and non venomous ones, and I don't you know,
Speaker 2: even a non venomous snake. I mean I've had I
Speaker 2: walked out of the woods and I'm sitting at the
Speaker 2: of the edge of the tree line and I'm sitting
Speaker 2: in grass, and I'm just standing there looking out, you know,
Speaker 2: and then something catches my attention. I just so happened
Speaker 2: to look down on my foot and here's this big
Speaker 2: black snake curled up just looking out in the same
Speaker 2: direction I'm looking at. And I'm like, what the And
Speaker 2: I'm like, lightning hit it.
Speaker 4: Back to my my van.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a little thing. And Larry, I can tell
Speaker 5: you this, dude, I learned, you know, how to tell
Speaker 5: the difference between a poison between a us a non
Speaker 5: venomous snake. Their eyes, Yep, the eyes, the shape of
Speaker 5: the head if it's a blunt nose snake. Uh, non
Speaker 5: venomous if it's pointed, with the pattern of the thunderbelly
Speaker 5: on the tail.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, and all of that.
Speaker 5: You know how you can tell all the difference between
Speaker 5: a venomous snake and a non venmous snake when they're
Speaker 5: in the water.
Speaker 2: Well, how's that that I'm not sure about?
Speaker 5: Non venomous snake swim submerged. The venomous snakes will inflate
Speaker 5: their lungs with air so they float. Ah okay, my
Speaker 5: granddad taught me that. So pretty much about ninety nine
Speaker 5: percent of the snakes I've seen in the water, we're
Speaker 5: just water snakes. So yeah, yeah, because because water snakes
Speaker 5: feed on fish and minnos and bugs, they're going to
Speaker 5: be down in the water and they'll hold her breath
Speaker 5: and they'll go underneath the water. Right.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. That's actually something that's good to keep
Speaker 2: in mind. Because you know, when I used to live
Speaker 2: where I grew up on the other side of Virginia,
Speaker 2: we lived in a private lake community, and you know,
Speaker 2: I was always out in the water fishing and everything.
Speaker 2: And sometimes when you come into some of the coves
Speaker 2: and stuff where the water is shallow, you come across
Speaker 2: a lot of snakes. You can see there's water snakes
Speaker 2: all over the place, and uh, yeah, some of them.
Speaker 2: I was I was probably a teenager and I was
Speaker 2: in a canoe. Yeah, I was in a canoe with
Speaker 2: a buddy lion. We come into this shallow cove and
Speaker 2: he spotted.
Speaker 5: It, not me, and.
Speaker 2: There was a snake. It was a water snake. It
Speaker 2: was just underneath the water. We're the water right now,
Speaker 2: you know. Here we are in two feet of water,
Speaker 2: and here's a snake right on the side of me.
Speaker 2: You know, because he looks back towards me and looks
Speaker 2: at the water. S he's a snake. The tail end
Speaker 2: of it touching the bottom, you know, touching the ground,
Speaker 2: and the head is just barely touching the surface of
Speaker 2: the water. And you know, of course, water snakes, if
Speaker 2: you're not familiarly, they look some of them look like copperheads,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, and we freaked out. The first thing
Speaker 2: we did was took the panel, swatted away and got
Speaker 2: out of dodge get to the deeper water.
Speaker 5: You had a friend of mine that lives in Shelbyville, Indiana.
Speaker 5: Her mom owns an eight foot long Burmese python for
Speaker 5: a pet. And she posted a picture of her mom
Speaker 5: on Facebook about a couple of weeks ago, and she
Speaker 5: was snuggling with that snake on the couch.
Speaker 2: Oh my, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 5: I looked at her, said, what the heck is wrong
Speaker 5: with you?
Speaker 2: Oh man, Lord em Mercy, like.
Speaker 5: You heard Wendy Bagwell yack, and look around finding where
Speaker 5: the back door is. If there ain't, what I'll make it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: But here's the thing. The reason I'm so scared of
Speaker 5: snakes that you can blame it on my granddad. My
Speaker 5: grandpa will pick them up by the tail. He'll sling
Speaker 5: them around in a circle in there and throw them
Speaker 5: at you, dead or alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I remember one time there was a black kingsnake that
Speaker 5: was out here and it was crawling around by the
Speaker 5: four wheeler. And this is back when I was about
Speaker 5: maybe ten twelve years old. He pulled that thing out
Speaker 5: of the engine block of that foe wheling threw it
Speaker 5: in the circle around his head in the circle and
Speaker 5: he looked right at him and he chucked that right
Speaker 5: at me and it wrapped around my neck and took
Speaker 5: off picking on me, saying saying, was that running down
Speaker 5: your leg?
Speaker 2: Yeah, people could call me a woos or whatever, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I don't like snakes. So man, well,
Speaker 2: you know you guys were talking about rain out your
Speaker 2: way come tomorrow. I haven't checked the weather for tomorrow,
Speaker 2: but you know, last I heard it was supposed to
Speaker 2: be nice weather. When I walked out of work early today,
Speaker 2: the temperature I couldn't believe. I was like, wow, this
Speaker 2: is nice, I say, I mean it felt like fifty
Speaker 2: a good fifty degrees or so. And uh, I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean that's what I felt like. I didn't check
Speaker 2: the temperature, but it was actually very comfortable. But tomorrow
Speaker 2: is we're expecting nice weather, so I'm gonna double check
Speaker 2: that because I am supposed to go out in the
Speaker 2: woods for a little while tomorrow. There is an area
Speaker 2: I'm gonna going to and check out, and I haven't
Speaker 2: been into in a while, probably running to Freda and Connie,
Speaker 2: because they're supposed to be out there, but they're gonna
Speaker 2: be up on the bridge. They'll probably be out where
Speaker 2: I'm heading in. They're gonna be somewhere off to the
Speaker 2: right somewhere, but I still may end up running into
Speaker 2: it depends on which way they come in travel into.
Speaker 2: So I'll wait and see how that goes. But but well,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, uh, Zach, I'm gonna call call
Speaker 2: it a night, And there's a few things I need
Speaker 2: to check on anyway before I you know, call it
Speaker 2: a night all together myself again. Yet tonight went great.
Speaker 2: I want to, you know, definitely thank you and you
Speaker 2: know Ryan for interacting and sharing information and asking questions.
Speaker 2: That went really well tonight. And so yeah, for now
Speaker 2: on what when we do have a guest, uh, That's
Speaker 2: all I want to do is just keep it to
Speaker 2: a minimum. You know, it's easier that way. So and
Speaker 2: then of course when we do our next uh quatched
Speaker 2: the round table, you know, we could have everybody on.
Speaker 2: So but meanwhile, zaching that you might like, yeah, I've
Speaker 2: just seen it pop up, so I'll check that out
Speaker 2: as soon as I get off here. So but Meanwhile. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm gonna I'll drop off here and
Speaker 2: anyone that's listening. Don't forget about the twenty eighteen e
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Speaker 2: Daniel BINOI it Zach. How about you know before we
Speaker 2: jump off of you, you want to go ahead plug
Speaker 2: in anything on your end?
Speaker 5: Yeah, just check us out on Facebook Southern Illinois Monster
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Speaker 5: We're not done yet.
Speaker 2: Awesome, very awesome. I am, I know, I am.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: Some others are looking forward to your next episodes, your
Speaker 2: next your live feeds and with your shows that you do,
Speaker 2: so they're always exciting. I love interacting with them. So
Speaker 2: it's like I said, it's a lot of fun too.
Speaker 2: So yeah, for the record, when you had what's the other?
Speaker 2: Who was Sam? When you had Sam on there? The
Speaker 2: audio was actually pretty good on that one there.
Speaker 5: Because I went and I moved the phone around because
Speaker 5: I used to have the phone sitting down on a
Speaker 5: little box with the with the mic turned up. But
Speaker 5: I figured it out that the mic on my tablet,
Speaker 5: the voice receptor was on the top of my tablet.
Speaker 5: So I have it. You've seen the picture of my studio,
Speaker 5: I have the tablet popped up against the desktop and
Speaker 5: the hard drive. So I just put my phone up
Speaker 5: on top of the hard drive, right above the speaker
Speaker 5: for the tablet and right where my microphone is for
Speaker 5: my laptop.
Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, by doing that, you can still see
Speaker 2: the interaction on the lap chat pretty well. Yeah, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: very cool. Well, hey that's working, so stay at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's pretty good. But uh.
Speaker 5: But it's it's it may look pretty complex, but it
Speaker 5: works when you get the hang of it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, most definitely. All right, Well, Zach, I'll see
Speaker 2: you on Facebook, you know, uh tomorrow, if everything works out,
Speaker 2: I will be on the field. And where I'll be
Speaker 2: I'll if phone reception works out, I'll be doing Facebook
Speaker 2: Live out there. So so yeah, you can be on
Speaker 2: the lookout for that. Uh, it'll probably be close to
Speaker 2: eleven noon time. I mean, I'll be out there before then,
Speaker 2: but I probably won't go Facebook Live till get far
Speaker 2: off in the woods. Again, if the reception is good too,
Speaker 2: so so right, but uh so meanwhile, Zach, you have
Speaker 2: a good night. I'm gonna drop off here and uh
Speaker 2: well next.
Speaker 5: Jack watch out great night, everybody.
Speaker 2: Your hosts angel bit Wong.
Speaker 4: Watch out break.
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