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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Transporter Room three DS nine edition.
Speaker 2: Mister Scott, how are you?
Speaker 1: Wow? Man? You said that with such a conviction, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. It's been a little while this episode
Speaker 2: we're gonna be talking about today. Maybe just were horses. No,
Speaker 2: just it's We're continuing our commentary series on season two,
Speaker 2: episode two, the part two of the part three of
Speaker 2: the three part premiere of DAS nine. I was trying
Speaker 2: to do a literation thing there Star Trek, Deep Space,
Speaker 2: Lines of the Circle, the middle chapter of an epic
Speaker 2: three parter premiere that held Little Me hostage back when
Speaker 2: this originally aired in ninety four. Yeah, guy, so yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that what it was? Ninety five? Wait?
Speaker 2: It has it been thirty years?
Speaker 1: We should know this?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, sorry, I was around ninety three October.
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety three. Okay, okay, right right, yeah, god, all right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because January ninety three was DAS nine's premiere and
Speaker 2: then season two came. Wow, those guys barely.
Speaker 4: Had a break.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, it wasn't it. I feel like I've
Speaker 1: heard them say, like, yeah, we'd get would go on
Speaker 1: vacation for like two weeks, and then we'd be right back,
Speaker 1: right back in the writer's room, you know, so like
Speaker 1: crazy grinding on like twenty six scripts.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to do it. I'd need a
Speaker 2: month up. I need summer Vaca. Baby.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, always working on those. So okay, so should
Speaker 1: we start this episode. I'm cued up to the zero
Speaker 1: zero point zero zero zero one?
Speaker 2: Or are you doing the destruct code?
Speaker 1: I was doing the distruct code, but the inflection of
Speaker 1: yours was very much the Picard authorization code.
Speaker 4: Zero zero one.
Speaker 1: Oh that's Bookard just talking about this about the sector
Speaker 1: zero zero one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you reach middle age, you're allowed to quote
Speaker 5: locutas on your Star Trek podcast. Well, I mean I
Speaker 5: heard it, and you know, I've never had asthma before
Speaker 5: until just now. I hailary manifested, I got a retainer,
Speaker 5: gone now.
Speaker 2: A MANI pack even.
Speaker 1: I'm you know what, may Inhaler disappeared because I didn't
Speaker 1: get the reference immediately. H I'm really embarrassed by that,
Speaker 1: Like I thought that we were going to destruct code.
Speaker 2: Well, at least you still have your pocket protector.
Speaker 1: All right, let's start this episode, and you guys, right,
Speaker 1: you guys ready on a countdown of three two one,
Speaker 1: all right, ready three two one, play last last time
Speaker 1: Space nine.
Speaker 2: Wait and now the continuation had always got me like,
Speaker 2: ooh ooh, we never heard that before. So this episode
Speaker 2: was written by the great late Peter Allen Fields. Yes,
Speaker 2: it aired three two years ago next week, October third,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Peter Allen Fields, who was one of the He's
Speaker 1: not as as like name recognizable as some of the
Speaker 1: other Trek writers, but he was one of the integral
Speaker 1: guys in the development of Deep Space line. He was
Speaker 1: older than the other guys I think, and I know
Speaker 1: Iris Stephen Bear for one, definitely considered him a sort
Speaker 1: of a mentor figure while they when they work together
Speaker 1: on this show.
Speaker 2: Right, we also have an interview with Iris Stephen Bear
Speaker 2: on our site from twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Wow, holy caah, holy cow. Who did that interview me?
Speaker 2: It was celebrating some Star Trek milestones.
Speaker 1: Okay, Right?
Speaker 2: I also think we have one from ninety three from
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, the three yeth anniversary of a Team
Speaker 2: of a DS night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I interviewed him for one of the anniversaries, I remember.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Frank Glinjela uncredited, He didn't want the credit,
Speaker 2: just wanted to do it.
Speaker 1: I still don't get why he would want to be uncredited, but.
Speaker 2: He's a very solid performance here. I think it was
Speaker 2: because it was just something for his children. He just
Speaker 2: wanted to do something for them because they were a fan,
Speaker 2: or his grandchildren something like that.
Speaker 4: Wow, they finally such a great villain on this.
Speaker 1: Yes he is great. Yeah, well he has the kai
Speaker 1: Win there's a certain brand of Bajurin villain, which is
Speaker 1: the like sort of disarming but so annoyingly hateful. I'm
Speaker 1: posing as a good guy even though I'm really terrible villain. So,
Speaker 1: win Rick Colb, I'm going to drop a few quotes
Speaker 1: from the speaking of Trexperts, whatever the hell it's called,
Speaker 1: the Mark Oltman Edward Gross book The Fifty Year Mission,
Speaker 1: the second book, The Next twenty five Years. Drop a
Speaker 1: few quotes Winrick Colb, the director, he said, Frank Langella
Speaker 1: scared the shit out of me. There's a mytho, there's
Speaker 1: a mythology around him. He's a tremendous actor, and he's
Speaker 1: got those dark brown eyes that seemed to strip you
Speaker 1: bare of anything that you're wearing emotionally or literally. When
Speaker 1: when he popped up on the first bit we started rehearsing,
Speaker 1: and I figured this guy could be trouble because there's
Speaker 1: something in him that tells you watch that guy. If
Speaker 1: you tell him what to do, he might just tell
Speaker 1: you to fuck off. But he didn't. He was terrific.
Speaker 1: So that is good. Especially, I guess when you're not
Speaker 1: take getting your credit or and you're working for Scale
Speaker 1: or whatever, maybe right you're really in a position to say,
Speaker 1: funck off, I'm Dracula, bitch, I'm skeletor so where so
Speaker 1: where we left off, because I know it's been been
Speaker 1: a minute since we talked about part one of this
Speaker 1: three parter, But basically Kira was removed from her position
Speaker 1: and Lee Knollis Richard Bimer was was was made Cisco's
Speaker 1: liaison to Deep Space nine.
Speaker 2: And this is also sorry Scott, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, just real quick. Cisco was pissed about it,
Speaker 1: and he still is. But but Frank Glinngela's character basically
Speaker 1: sold it as, oh no, it's a promotion for for
Speaker 1: Major Kira, so that Cisco backed kind of back down.
Speaker 1: But obviously things are messed up.
Speaker 2: And that scene was the first appearance of Cisco's baseball
Speaker 2: on his desk.
Speaker 1: Really mm hmm, that was it? That was not in
Speaker 1: season one?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: What yeah? I know, right's more circle, more graffiti.
Speaker 1: More graffiti. Can't they do a biometric scan of everyone
Speaker 1: on the station to find who has residue while the.
Speaker 2: Opening titles plays. Speaking of Lee Naals a bit ago,
Speaker 2: writer Peter Allen Fields had some issue with the character.
Speaker 2: He felt that the character became lost in somewhat uh
Speaker 2: superfluous in this episode and later in the three parter
Speaker 2: The Siege. To quote Alan Fields, originally he was supposed
Speaker 2: to be this regular guy, not a coward, but a
Speaker 2: regular guy who had fought some battles. And then by
Speaker 2: the time we got to the third episode, this guy
Speaker 2: would stand up and be counted. But for various reasons,
Speaker 2: he never really changed his tune. He was an okay
Speaker 2: guy in part one, Part two, and part three. There
Speaker 2: was no arc for this character whatsoever. H and I
Speaker 2: Receiven Bear agrees in the Star Trek DS nine companion
Speaker 2: he did get a little lost in parts two and three.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I remember when we were recording the first
Speaker 1: episode for this Ira Steven Barr wasn't particularly fond of
Speaker 1: the performance either, right.
Speaker 2: He felt it was a little flat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I think the episode still works regardless of what your
Speaker 2: opinions are of that performance.
Speaker 4: Like this whole three this three parter is.
Speaker 1: A sign Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Hey, by the way, oh
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 2: We do this a lot. This is fun.
Speaker 4: Go.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, Alexander Sidik, I just spotted him.
Speaker 1: I'm catching up finally on the last bits of Foundation
Speaker 1: season three, and he popped. He had a very brief
Speaker 1: role in season one. He showed up in like, I
Speaker 1: feel like, one scene in one episode in season one.
Speaker 1: But he's back in a somewhat expanded role in season three,
Speaker 1: playing his own his own descendant because it's like takes
Speaker 1: place hundreds of years after season one. Uh, and so
Speaker 1: he's back. So I'm always glad when I see that
Speaker 1: those guys pop up in non star Trek stuff, not
Speaker 1: not just having to go to conventions to make a living,
Speaker 1: you know, right, this is a fun scene for what
Speaker 1: is a pretty heavy episode, right, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole this whole three parter is pretty heavy in
Speaker 1: terms of what's going on. But this is a fun,
Speaker 1: fun kind of you know it feels like it could
Speaker 1: be in a sitcom if he didn't know any better.
Speaker 1: Everyone's popping in one of the time to kind of
Speaker 1: either wish cure goodbye or to try to convince her
Speaker 1: to stay.
Speaker 2: Someone should have convinced Odo not to go with that hair.
Speaker 2: They still had to figure out who it was hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he doesn't have the collar yet on the uniform.
Speaker 1: He gets the collar. I think in season three, Season three.
Speaker 1: I guess it's the year of the collar in nineties
Speaker 1: track because that's when the next gen guys got their
Speaker 1: collars too, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, speaking of this scene, Fields, he based the
Speaker 2: scene on one that appeared in the nineteen thirty five
Speaker 2: film A Night at the Opera starring the Marx Brothers.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The director of this episode, Corey Allen, shot this
Speaker 2: scene in one continuous, uninterrupted take. When the episode was
Speaker 2: edited edited together, however, the scene was intercut with various
Speaker 2: close ups and reverse angles. Okay, the master shot of
Speaker 2: the scene was one long take.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and you can.
Speaker 2: Tell when they cut to the why, like, that's pretty
Speaker 2: great that this was all a.
Speaker 4: Big wonner, that it wasn't the full winner.
Speaker 1: It's cool, it's it's a. It's almost like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's almost like he was they were they were trying
Speaker 1: to do a little bit more than they could pull
Speaker 1: off for the Eric. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: characters in this scene on and you're shooting on a
Speaker 1: four point three aspect raio four three aspect ratio, right,
Speaker 1: so you're having to crowd them all into a pretty
Speaker 1: tight space. So that's why you wind up having this
Speaker 1: shot where like Kira's got her back to them kind
Speaker 1: of like it's a it's not the most eloquently staged
Speaker 1: scene because of that, I think, but it's fun it also,
Speaker 1: does you know it also like so you're now you're
Speaker 1: you're at the start of season two. Here these characters
Speaker 1: who will start it off as you know, really be
Speaker 1: keeping each other all at arm's length in a way.
Speaker 2: Right surreal?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right, you have the star Starfleaders who are star leaders.
Speaker 1: But then you've got Odo is is this man alone?
Speaker 1: I think that's even the name of an episode, it is, right,
Speaker 1: a man alone. That's an Odo episode, right, And then
Speaker 1: you obviously have the Bajorans are over here, and then
Speaker 1: Kira is over here from the Bajarrens. You know, she
Speaker 1: uh and then the Quark Quark, right, and and now
Speaker 1: here they are like they're they're they're a cohesive whether
Speaker 1: they like to admit it or not, at this point,
Speaker 1: they're kind of they're all friends in the sort of
Speaker 1: cohesive unit, even Quark and this.
Speaker 2: You could not do this scene on any other show
Speaker 2: but this, Yeah, Jilly, where this dynamic would allow something
Speaker 2: like this to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's true. I also like Kia Kura's you know,
Speaker 1: she's had various uniform changes over the seven seasons, but
Speaker 1: like I always like this undershirt or whatever it.
Speaker 2: Is, like the hammock like crossed itch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, below the neck. Yeah. Now, I can't remember
Speaker 1: is this Vedic Barile's first appearance or did he pop
Speaker 1: up last season?
Speaker 4: This might be his.
Speaker 2: Well, his name is misspelled in the opening credits, is it.
Speaker 2: It's spelled b a r i e L in the
Speaker 2: opening title credits after the title of the episode, but
Speaker 2: it's supposed to be b a r e i L.
Speaker 2: That's the only time it's miss spelled when when it
Speaker 2: appears when he is.
Speaker 4: On the show.
Speaker 1: Okay, and I think you said last his hair, Look
Speaker 1: how thick this guy's hair is. Did you say that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: He's yeah, it's a balding man. I'm just I'm I'm
Speaker 2: I spot man with thick care. I won't have my problem.
Speaker 1: He's the original hot priest.
Speaker 2: His original hot priest. Yes, this outfit looks comfidie outfits.
Speaker 2: I bet it's itchy at shit though in the Hot life.
Speaker 4: Okay, so a little bit interesting angle too.
Speaker 2: We never see this angle again in Ops.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that is different, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Allan shot the shit out of this.
Speaker 2: He was a great star trek director.
Speaker 1: I like it too because it's like Kira has the
Speaker 1: Ops has been her home for however long, and now
Speaker 1: she's not welcome there anymore. It's like it's an alien
Speaker 1: place to her in a way, it's not. It's not
Speaker 1: welcoming anymore.
Speaker 2: And that framing implies that, yeah, that she's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, see I went to film school, man,
Speaker 1: I'm smart. So this is what Michael Pillar said about this.
Speaker 1: The first three parter that kicked off the season was
Speaker 1: a commitment to say, hey, look at us, look at
Speaker 1: what we can do. It was, in a sense, supposed
Speaker 1: to do for us what best of both worlds had
Speaker 1: done for next gen. I think that we succeeded. Those
Speaker 1: three shows really did show the breath of ambition of
Speaker 1: storytelling that we were able to do in The special
Speaker 1: effects were terrific, the guest stars were great, and the
Speaker 1: credibility was there.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: Hey, Lee n Allis looks pretty good in that uniform too.
Speaker 1: Actually it looks a little baggy.
Speaker 2: It looks like I'm wearing my dad's suit the eighth
Speaker 2: grade homecoming.
Speaker 4: A little bit, a little bit right, like a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't have size too big, you know, I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't argue. I like the style though. I like
Speaker 1: the I like the I.
Speaker 2: Love the color. I love Yeah, I love the vibe
Speaker 2: of these costumes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like I'm not sure if I don't, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if we've seen that version of the Bijar
Speaker 1: uniform like that before. The uniforms are way better than
Speaker 1: the Starfleet uniforms on.
Speaker 2: This Yes they are. These uniforms look more like TNG
Speaker 2: esque star Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're more formal.
Speaker 4: I never was a fan of this uniform me neither.
Speaker 1: And then when they put them on the next gen
Speaker 1: people in generations, it was like, get the fuck out
Speaker 1: of right.
Speaker 2: The uniforms they did for uh first contact and then
Speaker 2: reincorporated back on d S nine like those are ye
Speaker 2: that's their monster maroon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that. Yeah. And I love that continuity too,
Speaker 1: where they were like they were like, no, yeah, well
Speaker 1: you know what, Deep like Deep Space nine will get
Speaker 1: these uniforms too at the appropriate time, because it's like
Speaker 1: they've become standards and like, and Voyager didn't get them
Speaker 1: because they didn't know jack shit about them because they
Speaker 1: were on the other side of the universe. And then
Speaker 1: eventually when they I think it was when they finally
Speaker 1: started talking to Barclay or whatever through the long range
Speaker 1: and path finder. Yeah, yeah, yeah, then they were like
Speaker 1: they were like, all right, we'll be We'll bet me
Speaker 1: the specs. Yeah. You know it's like, uh, you can
Speaker 1: you could probably pick up the pattern that at your
Speaker 1: at your local fabric store. And yeah.
Speaker 2: Always I was surprised that that wasn't like a B
Speaker 2: or C story on the show. You know, let's make
Speaker 2: let's have a uniform contest with like Naomi Wildman or
Speaker 2: something like that just designed the new uniforms and and
Speaker 2: Neglos has to make them, but the people has to
Speaker 2: go to get the fabrics he runs into trouble right
Speaker 2: right right, something like that.
Speaker 1: You know I'd be there for it. Uh. So, speaking
Speaker 1: of uniforms, I do not like Kira's outfit here, not
Speaker 1: to turn this into project.
Speaker 2: Her terrace uh meets farmer attire. And also I would
Speaker 2: not be wearing that outfit that close to water. You
Speaker 2: could scrape the little if if you miss a step
Speaker 2: on those little stepping stones.
Speaker 1: Yet done, well, it gets real heavy, real fast because
Speaker 1: it's soaking wet at that point. Right, yes, but Kira's
Speaker 1: never She's anyone trying to get Kia to make a
Speaker 1: rock garden or whatever. She was just doing like you know,
Speaker 1: the just this is not Kira, right, this is not
Speaker 1: the way, you know, not to go a stray. But uh,
Speaker 1: we were telling my kid about the two vis episode
Speaker 1: of Voyager.
Speaker 4: How do you respond to that?
Speaker 1: He was like, he was fascinated by it, and we
Speaker 1: went so we wound up actually watching it. We showed
Speaker 1: it to so we should do it on the podcast sometime.
Speaker 1: I think we somehow have never done that one, which
Speaker 1: is surprising. Yeah we should. Yeah, it's an interesting one
Speaker 1: to go back and watch.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: Some more on on this episode from the from the
Speaker 1: writers I R. Steven Burr said, Michael, back from his
Speaker 1: days as a network executive, is definitely a man who
Speaker 1: is into publicity. And he said, you know, we didn't
Speaker 1: do a cliffhanger. Let's do a three parter. Let's do
Speaker 1: three and let's jump off from in the Hands of
Speaker 1: the Profits. And since I have to relate everything to
Speaker 1: either a book or a movie in my life, it
Speaker 1: seems I said so in other words, and the Hands
Speaker 1: of the Prophets is the Hobbit, and now we're going
Speaker 1: to do the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he knew what I was talking about, but
Speaker 1: that's that's how I saw it. So, yeah, I wonder
Speaker 1: how these Bajoran sets worked, because they they they use them,
Speaker 1: but not that like that. They pop up throughout the seasons,
Speaker 1: but not that often is it? So I don't think
Speaker 1: they're standing sets. But I wonder did they just have
Speaker 1: they have chunk Bajoran chunks of set that they just
Speaker 1: put off to the side and then throw together a
Speaker 1: room as needed.
Speaker 2: Oh, perhaps, yes.
Speaker 1: It's probably something like that, right.
Speaker 2: The Temple set is we see versions of this thrap
Speaker 2: the show. They were just like do regresses of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because arts we kind of.
Speaker 2: Become the Yeah. And when they're viewing the ORB on DS.
Speaker 1: Nine, right yep. And that that big Bajoran symbol in
Speaker 1: the background and they're behind the ORB right now, Uh
Speaker 1: that you throw that on the set and suddenly you've
Speaker 1: got a bijorn set.
Speaker 4: I guess right right, that's all you need.
Speaker 2: It's just a little graphic.
Speaker 1: So can you name every ORB right now?
Speaker 2: Time m Destiny, No, Scott, thanks, Compelling Radio. We just
Speaker 2: made it here.
Speaker 4: Can you name them?
Speaker 1: Well? You have the uh, you have space time uh Power?
Speaker 1: What's the one that that protein I'm naming the Infinity Gauntlet.
Speaker 1: Actually that might be gross similarities there.
Speaker 2: Gross, This is a creepy vision to the way it's
Speaker 2: shot and lit. I always did appreciate how they lit
Speaker 2: the the ORB scenes. Yeah, that blown out of the worldly.
Speaker 2: Yeah vision quest type vibe.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Wow, fanboys couldn't handle this part.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It's a little weird that they have the same hairstyle though,
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean this is like between the
Speaker 1: ear rings and and the overblown lighting and the and
Speaker 1: the and all the flesh and the hair, It's like
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I can tell them apart right showing
Speaker 1: the not visitor would love to hear that.
Speaker 2: H Now watch this screen?
Speaker 1: Yeah this, I was going to say, what is what
Speaker 1: is this tech? I don't you don't see this that often,
Speaker 1: do you?
Speaker 2: This is the first and only time this flat screen
Speaker 2: slides up.
Speaker 4: And out of his desk.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, very interesting. You know, it's it's
Speaker 4: that's cool.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things though, where it's like, what,
Speaker 1: like it's tech that doesn't make sense because it's not.
Speaker 1: It's it's so cumbersome and awkward, right like well, like O,
Speaker 1: why would he He's got a freaking screen right on
Speaker 1: his desk there that where last season he used to
Speaker 1: talk to people on that Like having to have that
Speaker 1: thing come up and down every time you want to
Speaker 1: talk to someone.
Speaker 2: I know, it doesn't make so practical.
Speaker 1: And this this is good. This stuff with Quark here.
Speaker 4: Always a great scene, like Quark hit with.
Speaker 1: His ear to the ground, right like him? He and
Speaker 1: Odo or like they have a lot in common in
Speaker 1: a way because they that's why Yeah, yeah, that's why,
Speaker 1: And that's why they love each other.
Speaker 4: I do love their relationship a lot.
Speaker 1: I was just watching Veep the other night that an
Speaker 1: oldie but a goodie and Rene Oborsino's son was.
Speaker 4: On No Way.
Speaker 2: Who did he play?
Speaker 1: He played like a asshole senator. Basically, he's one of
Speaker 1: these guys who shows up and stuff. He played. He
Speaker 1: played Peggy's asshole, a gynecologist on Madmen. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember that character, Yes, Remi or Borgia, I
Speaker 1: think his name is. He's the guy on Madmen who's like,
Speaker 1: he's like smoking, He's like giving Peggy a gynecological example
Speaker 1: while he's smoking and lecturing her about not being promiscuous
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 6: It's like, hair, I'm sorry they did your journey.
Speaker 1: His hand doesn't change that much from this this style, though,
Speaker 1: does it.
Speaker 2: It's a little flatter.
Speaker 1: I like that your deputy or your prisoner.
Speaker 2: Great great exchange, great scene because he knows how to
Speaker 2: push his button.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Lee n Allis is like he doesn't even know.
Speaker 4: He's just like hanging out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, what am I supposed to be doing?
Speaker 1: Like I think he literally says that, right.
Speaker 2: The guy was The guy was based like the writers
Speaker 2: saying what is he supposed to be doing?
Speaker 1: The guy was smashing rocks in the prison camp like
Speaker 1: two days ago. Yeah, just hang out, like, let me
Speaker 1: let me ask you the rank Kira's lovers Odo Odo?
Speaker 1: I just called you Odo, Phil he did.
Speaker 2: I can't anything after that, Scott, I've thrown no after.
Speaker 1: After suggesting a really awkward topic as well. Who do
Speaker 1: you got? You got Barile, You've got uh Shakar, You've
Speaker 1: got Odo. I think that's it, right, I think so,
Speaker 1: I kind of. I don't think any of them are
Speaker 1: good for her.
Speaker 2: Wait, yeah, no, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I never liked the I never liked the Odo.
Speaker 2: She deserves better than what she got.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what she needed, She needed some some
Speaker 1: Thomas Reiker.
Speaker 2: Action that there was a flirtation there.
Speaker 1: I know. That's why I say it almost happened. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that the actors love this, being able to go
Speaker 1: go out and actually shoot outside.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a beautiful location too, if you've ever
Speaker 2: been there.
Speaker 1: Where is it?
Speaker 2: I believe this is the Japanese Garden or or the
Speaker 2: DeSoto Garden in California.
Speaker 1: Oh okay. I like how vedic Win is acting like
Speaker 1: she doesn't know who Kira is, right, m h.
Speaker 4: She's such an asshole here she feels effective villain.
Speaker 1: Whether she say, feel free this day, even if it's
Speaker 1: through the rest of the day or something like that.
Speaker 2: And the way she just kind of like dismisses.
Speaker 1: Her Yeah, yeah, every word is like laced with poison.
Speaker 1: Say everything with a smile, yeah, even a week if necessary.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because the actress, like, you know,
Speaker 1: she obviously got she got type cast after one flew
Speaker 1: over the COB's ness, right, So this character is like
Speaker 1: a version of that, which I'm sure as an actress
Speaker 1: it's got to be frustrating. But at the same time
Speaker 1: that type casting is what got her this job. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's why she was cast and it and it
Speaker 1: leads to some really interesting stuff that she gets to
Speaker 1: do on this show, you know. So it's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a you know, I could see the negatives
Speaker 1: of the type casting, but in the case like this,
Speaker 1: I could see, you know, there's some real positives as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, kay Wynn becomes one of the great bad
Speaker 1: guys of Star.
Speaker 4: Trek, one of my favorite bad guys.
Speaker 2: And yeah, so effective that the character of the performance
Speaker 2: gets under my skin, you know, like this graphic all
Speaker 2: of this is amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really cool for room situation here. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: speak speaking of you know, making something from not a lot, right,
Speaker 1: because like, look at those lights on the wall behind
Speaker 1: Cisco that looks like to me like a tnng said
Speaker 1: mm hmm. I'm trying to picture what it is, like
Speaker 1: a hallway or something. But but it's like they they
Speaker 1: had to this. He's basically visiting like the military commander
Speaker 1: of beijor or some shit, right, whoever this guy is,
Speaker 1: and it's like, so we need something that looks cool,
Speaker 1: and there you go, right, And it's like they put
Speaker 1: they hob cobbled together a bunch of stuff and then
Speaker 1: they came up with this thing. I would love to
Speaker 1: actually ask Akuda about this thing on the wall.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he must have had a hand in designing some Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like they just did the blow up of
Speaker 1: a big map and then they threw some cool graphics
Speaker 1: over it. But it works really well. He's wearing a
Speaker 1: Le Nalis style uniform as well. His actually fits better
Speaker 1: than Lee Nalis's. Some more from that book, Robert Hewett
Speaker 1: Wolfe said, the premise of the show is one of
Speaker 1: cerialization the whole point, and we realized this very quickly.
Speaker 1: Is that the show was about consequences, how the things
Speaker 1: we do ripple and echo and sustain, and we did
Speaker 1: not warp away every week at the end of the episode.
Speaker 1: The premise of come to a planet, have an adventure
Speaker 1: warp away is inherently an episode by episode standalone premise.
Speaker 1: We've heard this before from these guys. The premise have
Speaker 1: come to this place and take control of it and
Speaker 1: build into it into something better is not that there's
Speaker 1: a serialized premise and inherently lends itself to that kind
Speaker 1: of storytelling. That was a part what we were what
Speaker 1: we were figuring out. But it didn't take very long
Speaker 1: to figure that one out, to be honest. It was
Speaker 1: a quick realization and that's what led to, you know,
Speaker 1: this three parter, which in a way is a four parter,
Speaker 1: I guess it because it is a direct follow up
Speaker 1: in the hands of the profits from the season finale
Speaker 1: with the school, the school being fire bombed and all
Speaker 1: that stuff.
Speaker 4: Right, A great, great episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was Kai Wentz Vetic. Well, yeah, and
Speaker 1: that was her debut.
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 4: Villain can't I can't say enough about that villain.
Speaker 1: So Lee Nahlis is doing okay, right now, considering he
Speaker 1: didn't really know like anything about the job, right, like
Speaker 1: he's kind of stepped in he feels he seems pretty
Speaker 1: self assured all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: This is giving something to do. Also, doesn't this makeup
Speaker 2: look very uh like your car from a bat blank life?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and cursed the gem Honda as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, and reminiscent of that lizard
Speaker 1: guy who oh Brian made friends with in season one
Speaker 1: a little a little bit but not quite I guess
Speaker 1: more gem Hidar. Right, it's an extensive makeup for what
Speaker 1: is a very bit part alright, mm hmm. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and so Brian about to get this ass kicked?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Oh no, they just smuggled Odo on. That's what it is, right.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like the idea of Odo is
Speaker 1: not the suitcase, He's just the label on the suitcase.
Speaker 1: I asked that about O'Brien because he often does get
Speaker 1: his ass kicked right.
Speaker 4: A little bit?
Speaker 2: Uh uh. I wonder how hard it was to bring
Speaker 2: those into this set, that little set deck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well are they inside? Now?
Speaker 2: This might be an interior set, Yeah, it's that that's
Speaker 2: an elaborate interior on the planet. If they did a
Speaker 2: plane at hell set up here.
Speaker 1: The lighting feels interior, but the but yeah, the set itself.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a freaking there's a freaking waterfall behind him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they could have added that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's that seems pretty extensive. I want to
Speaker 1: make a waterfall like that in my backyard.
Speaker 4: Actually, i'mbout the whole. I want to recreate this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, honey, I want to make a Bajoran temple in
Speaker 1: my backyard. Did you see Shatner's heading up to Trek
Speaker 1: conder Roga again or whatever? I don't know what they
Speaker 1: call it, taich the Taeknderoga, Trek Conderoga. I think maybe
Speaker 1: it's a specific weekend, but he's got he's heading up
Speaker 1: there again. I think in November maybe or something, and
Speaker 1: a bunch of them were just there a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Terry Farrell, Kate Mulgrew, Armide Shimmerman.
Speaker 2: Gotta get that Kachin. Yeah, Scott, when are we going
Speaker 2: to go to Tech Honderoga. Well, you don't have to go,
Speaker 2: my friend.
Speaker 1: I would like to. I would like to hear some
Speaker 1: news on the next generation sets that were supposedly being built. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it feels like there's not too much moment momentum
Speaker 1: forward momentum on that. Apparently they are building a shovel
Speaker 1: craft though, did you hear about that?
Speaker 2: He did, Yes, the Galileo correct.
Speaker 1: I think so. I like how these guys, these guys
Speaker 1: just came out of nowhere. Cisco wouldn't Cisco hear them?
Speaker 1: Right like? That seems a little abrupt. And you want
Speaker 1: to talk about not being dressed appropriately to walk around
Speaker 1: in a creek. These guys are wearing freaking monk robes.
Speaker 1: So when Odo is a rat or a mouse, his
Speaker 1: brain is still able to understand language.
Speaker 2: He lands with necks like this, and that's what you.
Speaker 1: Get.
Speaker 7: Get the fuck addy?
Speaker 1: Oh that was a how they get that mouse to
Speaker 1: do that, that rat to do that?
Speaker 4: Good question?
Speaker 1: I like how they have to for this is more
Speaker 1: for the audience than then for the terrorists, right like,
Speaker 1: we got the spray paint the thing here just so
Speaker 1: everyone realizes. So why does minister Jarrow feel like he
Speaker 1: has to reveal himself here?
Speaker 2: Because reasons? Scott m hm, reasons. Now this is the
Speaker 2: planet Hell said, sure.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this definitely is Yeah, I'm looking for ambassador's.
Speaker 2: Back right, found him great reveal, by the way.
Speaker 1: But the thing about him too, about the Angela character
Speaker 1: is like as with a lot of the Federation, uh,
Speaker 1: with a lot of the Bajorn figures who wind up
Speaker 1: being painted as villains, is like, you know, in some
Speaker 1: ways you got to hear him out right, like, and
Speaker 1: they do.
Speaker 2: You can see where he's coming from. You don't want
Speaker 2: to be on his side, but you see why he's
Speaker 2: on it, right, Yeah, but it's a little too fanatical.
Speaker 1: It's fanatical. Yeah, but then when you also paint it
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure they do it with him that much,
Speaker 1: but like when you paint it with the idea that
Speaker 1: these people have endured forty or fifty years of occupation
Speaker 1: as well, yes, like what does that? What does that create? Jail?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And actually, in terms of Vedic Win, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that we ever got and I might be mistaken and
Speaker 1: just not remembering this now, but I'm not sure we
Speaker 1: ever got a ton of backstory on her to help
Speaker 1: explain why the way she was. Maybe I'm wrong about that.
Speaker 4: Do you recall I don't.
Speaker 1: Anyone anyone listening refresh our memory? And write in and
Speaker 1: tell us if they did, because I can't remember that,
Speaker 1: and she was on so often that you would think
Speaker 1: they would have. Those guys are going this is terrible.
Speaker 1: Those guys are going to beat the ship out of
Speaker 1: Cure right now. And again you said this last episode,
Speaker 1: but uh, the Richard Bimer character was that there were
Speaker 1: were they were considering making him a regular in the
Speaker 1: early drafts of this right he was they were thinking
Speaker 1: of having a regular or recurring character. They didn't recurring recurring. Sorry, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I I think he fits in pretty good right now
Speaker 1: with these guys.
Speaker 2: I think he fits in fire Yeah, fucking orange are
Speaker 2: and so good in this scene. Yeah, so I want
Speaker 2: someone when someone going to pull a te Conda Roga
Speaker 2: and build the DS nine ops so I can hang
Speaker 2: out on it. Right, So the one set I wish
Speaker 2: I could have visited.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was watching This Side of Paradise, the original
Speaker 2: series episode with the spor Plants.
Speaker 4: I was watching that morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's you know when it's just Kirk on
Speaker 2: the bridge by himself and they reference that shot in Relics.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, they production, Yeah, they actually do. They
Speaker 1: actually use that for the when the doors to the
Speaker 1: holiday open that I.
Speaker 2: Think so, Yeah, I think so. I think they used
Speaker 2: but they must have like cropped out Kirk somehow. But
Speaker 2: I just watched and I was like, man, I wish
Speaker 2: I could have gone on that original and the Teknda
Speaker 2: Roga one is as close as you're going to freaking
Speaker 2: get to it, but I just wait.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we've been on those sound stages, right, Yes
Speaker 1: we have. I mean, I guess that's not a big
Speaker 1: deal to say, but for a long Island boy like me,
Speaker 1: it was exciting. I think I got drunk on those
Speaker 1: sound stages. Actually. At that Star Trek party that we
Speaker 1: went to for Star Trek behind right.
Speaker 2: Where are My Nemessy held a trivia contest and denied
Speaker 2: a young child dressed as are Born the correct answer
Speaker 2: because he didn't say it, and he was right, but
Speaker 2: he didn't say the full phrase.
Speaker 1: No, no, no.
Speaker 2: He got into a little kid's face. People were booing him,
Speaker 2: including Carl Urban, Chris Pine, I'm John Choe, give the
Speaker 2: kid a thing, and Zachary Quinto No, no, no, gotta
Speaker 2: get it right.
Speaker 1: A little bit of action in an otherwise talkie episode
Speaker 1: having some like close quarter phaser fire here. Right, This
Speaker 1: is another interesting angle, the way the cameras up there with.
Speaker 4: Her and the number on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they're hiding they're hiding her face at first,
Speaker 1: like Julie doesn't see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she sells it perfectly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great actor on this great actor period, but especially
Speaker 2: in this this installments. Yeah, okay, now here's some trivia here.
Speaker 2: They're all being beamed up, right, all at once to
Speaker 2: the runabout. Yeah, all members are beamed up at once.
Speaker 2: In the previous episode, the Homecoming, it's stated that a
Speaker 2: runabout can only beam up to people at.
Speaker 1: A time, Right, So can I give a do you
Speaker 1: have an answer or can I give give my.
Speaker 2: So I have nothing other than who cares the story done?
Speaker 1: So what I'm thinking is you keep that some of
Speaker 1: them are staying the transport a buffer while you know
Speaker 1: the kind of beam to you know, to materialize nerd
Speaker 1: step to the side, two more materialized step to the side.
Speaker 1: And that part of the issue in the last episode
Speaker 1: was you just couldn't fit all those motherfuckers on one runabout.
Speaker 1: But having said that, that's not that's not actually what
Speaker 1: they said, right, they said they said you can't beam
Speaker 1: that many people up right. So maybe the hard drive
Speaker 1: of the pattern buffer is not big enough to hold
Speaker 1: that many people.
Speaker 2: Maybe your fucking protective needs to be bigger to hold
Speaker 2: some more nerd pens.
Speaker 1: The good the good news is my my my inhale
Speaker 1: or has re materialized?
Speaker 2: As did your virginity?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes? And my virginity? Yes?
Speaker 2: Are you gonna when you leave the house? Are people
Speaker 2: gonna slap kick me?
Speaker 4: Signs on you?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: Are you having anxiety about going to gym class?
Speaker 1: After the sky?
Speaker 2: Do you imagine this in high school?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: My god, where a thing would be ridiculed?
Speaker 1: You know. I try to tell my son that, like
Speaker 1: they these kids don't understand what it was like. You know.
Speaker 2: I had to be embarrassed to be a Star Trek fan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't.
Speaker 3: You didn't speak publicly, which is funny.
Speaker 2: There's a sweatshirt from ninety two. I believe it was
Speaker 2: a white sweatshirt that my aunt got me off of QVC.
Speaker 2: It had it says Star Trek below the is Star
Speaker 2: Trek in the in the TOS movie font Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was the Enterprise a like but that shove of the
Speaker 2: a Space doc right when they find at the end
Speaker 2: of Star Trek four right. It has you know, Spock,
Speaker 2: Kirk and McCoy floating heads above Star Trek Star Trek
Speaker 2: sandwich between the Enterprise and.
Speaker 4: The and the floating heads.
Speaker 2: Okay, I never wore the sweatshirt. I barely wore the
Speaker 2: sweatshirt because I was a friend and get made fun of.
Speaker 2: I found it on eBay over the weekend and I
Speaker 2: ordered it nice.
Speaker 4: I would be wearing it in public.
Speaker 7: Don't give a f you can finally finally wear it.
Speaker 1: Man. This is where yeah, this is where we are.
Speaker 1: This is what David Livingston said.
Speaker 4: I'm curious what thoughts he said.
Speaker 1: It was like doing a movie or a mini series.
Speaker 1: It had a lot of gunfights and space battles. Pillar
Speaker 1: threw it all into the mix. It was big. We
Speaker 1: knew we were going to spend a lot of money
Speaker 1: for the first three episodes in the second season and
Speaker 1: that we'd have to make it up later. But Rick
Speaker 1: and Michael just wanted to start off the season with
Speaker 1: a bang, and I think we did. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: this episode is maybe the smallest of the feeling of
Speaker 1: the three, So this one's a little bit more contained.
Speaker 1: But even this, like with the different sets that we've
Speaker 1: been pointing out, and I believe we're we're going to
Speaker 1: get a a matte painting shot or something now with these,
Speaker 1: with these two, I think like even that stuff, it's
Speaker 1: not action necessarily, but still yeah, for the time especially
Speaker 1: it's it's it's costly stuff, you know. So of course
Speaker 1: in the next one, in the episode the finale, we
Speaker 1: get the space fighter stuff with Kira and Dax the Great.
Speaker 2: I always love that hern Ax in those little flyers, right,
Speaker 2: plus the siege of the station.
Speaker 1: Right, and last episode we got the whole stuff where
Speaker 1: they rescuely Knowledged, which was a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of locations.
Speaker 4: Fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, phaser fire, look, the location stuff, which looked great.
Speaker 1: Always just opened these shows up.
Speaker 2: And each Phaser blast back then was three to five
Speaker 2: grand apiece.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. See this is the show I knew. I
Speaker 1: remember that there was a big shot, so I think
Speaker 1: that's I think that's a matte painting behind them. I
Speaker 1: guess it probably has to be.
Speaker 2: Also love the lighting, the coordination with the lighting of
Speaker 2: the painting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's it's excellent.
Speaker 4: It's like Dune esque, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so of course those two are working together conspiring. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Now the subtitles spelled it differently. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know how it's spelled on if you tech check
Speaker 1: memory alpha alpha, but memory alpha. Yeah, because even like
Speaker 1: Cisco's got the chunky card laptop.
Speaker 2: It is spelled c h E K O t E
Speaker 2: just like Okay, okay, yeah, those laptops are chunky. I
Speaker 2: just got a relationship to.
Speaker 1: No. But we see this guy again, don't we?
Speaker 4: Or you know what he was he was in the previous.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm mixing him up. Also, he's just another
Speaker 1: gray haired white guy, I guess. But he looked a
Speaker 1: little looked a little bit to me like the Captain
Speaker 1: of the Odyssey who will meet at the end of
Speaker 1: end of season two. I think I was can using
Speaker 1: him with him.
Speaker 2: He also appeared in Star Trek the Next.
Speaker 1: Generation okay as that character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in a Gambit Part one.
Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of being in a writer's room for too
Speaker 1: many months in a row. That's how you wind up
Speaker 1: with Gambit part one.
Speaker 4: I like Gambit Part one.
Speaker 3: This is what Louise I'm sorry, this is what Louise
Speaker 3: Fletcher vedik Wynn said. They just asked me to play
Speaker 3: this outrageous part, and I thought it was this one
Speaker 3: time thing. Then they kept coming back and asking me
Speaker 3: to do more. As it turned out, I was available
Speaker 3: most of the time. You just run over to.
Speaker 1: Paramount, put on the costume, and you try and remember
Speaker 1: the words, which is not easy. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: language and it's almost classical. I don't want to say Shakespearean,
Speaker 1: but when did have the tragic flaw of ambition and pride.
Speaker 1: It's fun to play that. High drama villains often come
Speaker 1: across as the nicest people, and that's just pure fun
Speaker 1: to play.
Speaker 2: A cool shot to you of Cisco, And yeah, how
Speaker 2: do you not want to tune in for the next week?
Speaker 1: Shit is about to hit the fan.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to talk about episode three. Thank you
Speaker 2: all for joining us for episode two. We'll be back
Speaker 2: with the Siege. Another commentary for that that'll be coming
Speaker 2: soon in the coming weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get that one up sooner than we we will. Then.
Speaker 1: We did this one.
Speaker 2: More trivia with it than this installment, so get ready.
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Speaker 1: I love doing these commentaries.
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