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Speaker 1: I want to get in some some metrics.
Speaker 3: I want to know who this Cougar football team has
been over the last three years?
Speaker 1: What if they done well?
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Speaker 1: What is it that the people have sent the PoCA.
Speaker 3: Really does well? What is it that BYU has really
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my favorite guests. He is a man of metrics. He
gets into the data, He delves into the data to
give us the truth of all things in college football.
Let's welcome at Bill Connley, the creator of sp plus
representing ESPN. What's up, Billing, I'm doing fantastic, Happy off
season to you.
Speaker 1: How is the offseason treated you thus far?
Speaker 4: Bill, Well, I've an updated rosters for sp plus projections,
so it's really there isn't really an off season here,
but certainly not the most demanding work in the world.
Speaker 3: At least there's not like an additional aperture opening of
the transferportal in April, right.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, So basically it's more work now, but then
in May I won't really have nearly as much as
I did last year.
Speaker 3: That's a good thing. You can go on vacation. To me,
that's a good time to go on vacation.
Speaker 5: In fact, that's where coach that's where coaches go on vacation.
Speaker 6: I know that.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's exactly when they go on vacation.
Speaker 3: So what can we surmise from the two thy twenty
five I know it ended in twenty twenty six final
College Football sp plus rankings for all one hundred and
thirty six FBS teams.
Speaker 1: What takeaways?
Speaker 3: What gems can you derive from the data this year.
Speaker 4: Well, that's possible to recruit at a top forty level
and produce the best team in college football. I think
that was pretty interesting. Yeah, I'm curious when it's time
to kind of update how the projections work. I'm really curious,
you know, having Indiana as high as they were and
then having plenty of other schools Utah, BYU Vanderbilt, just
a ton of schools that aren't necessarily you know, top
ten recruiting powerhouses, but figured out a way to build
a really good team. I think that's really Texas Tech
was in the.
Speaker 6: Top five of US.
Speaker 4: People are so really really interesting things. It's a fun
time to talk about the sport. I know coaches aren't
really enjoying themselves all that much and trying to renegotiate
contracts every other day, but from a pure watching how
guys are going about building rosters, it's really really interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you look at the top twenty five.
Speaker 3: I was in Indiana is like this this outlier, Right,
they don't recruit.
Speaker 1: I think they're like they're twenty four to seven.
Speaker 3: Composite talent rating was like seventy second in the nation, right,
A talented team per se who else stands out to
you with like maybe an underrated, maybe recruiting talent, baseline
talent that overachieved in the top twenty five.
Speaker 4: Well, I will say, I mean as far as Texas
techause everybody knows, you know, how much they spent on
that transfer class, but I think it was really noteworthy
with both Tech and Indiana that yeah, I mean they
brought in talented guys, but everybody produced better at Tech
or at Indiana than in previous stop Tech.
Speaker 5: Like obviously David.
Speaker 4: Bailey was always going to be awesome, but they had
a lot of Romelo height.
Speaker 6: Style guys on their Lee Hunter.
Speaker 4: Guys who had been solid, you know, just sturdy, you know,
college high level college football players, but then they go
to Texas Tech and they were awesome. So I think,
you know, the ability to identify talent, deploy it correctly,
you know, get the most out of it, it still
matters a ton even if they spent twenty whatever a
million dollars on that class, and again this year, they
still got the right guys and that was an immensely
impressive I.
Speaker 3: Got to say that, you know, I feel pretty good
about where BYU's at too. They end up eighteenth in
the sp plus metric. Obviously eight people was pretty high.
I mean, I can't remember where Sagarin had them and
where some of the other metrics had them ranked overall
from an efficiency standpoint, but a great season twelve and two.
They overachieve, it seems every single year, versus the recruiting
and talent pool.
Speaker 1: Why use that, do you think.
Speaker 4: Well, I think, I mean a couple of years ago
they didn't. Obviously they've been swings and sways through the years,
but these last couple of years, yeah, I mean, whatever
it might be, whether it's just really really strong line
play that's been a life hack for the best BYU
teams for a long time. You know, they the defense
held steady. It was twenty first in a defensive sp
plus in twenty twenty four and then twenty second last year.
And the offense, I mean that was, you know, for
very obvious reasons, with a quarterback change over the summer
and bringing in a freshman who hadn't you know, had
started at another.
Speaker 6: School and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: But the fact that you know, the fact that they
improved from thirty to twenty fourth with that with a
young quarterback who they weren't asking to throw down field
a time. They're trying to play a very controlled game,
and it worked and they improved offensively. I think that
was pretty incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is pretty cool to see that, no doubt
about it. And you know, where what is this season
rank all time in BAU football history for their best seasons?
Speaker 1: Would you say.
Speaker 4: They were slightly below where they were in twenty four, which, again,
when you have a freshman quarterback, that's not the.
Speaker 5: You know, that's not a damning thing by any means.
But let's see, let me pull up.
Speaker 3: So what you say, So you think twenty twenty four
was a better team than the twenty twenty five team
per sp plus is what you're saying.
Speaker 6: Per spe plus?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, for all time now we're looking at
a team, the twenty twenty four team. I have them
as the twelfth best BAU team and then twenty twenty
five was a little bit behind that. But no, no, no, no, sorry,
in terms of percent al writings, it was basically tied.
Speaker 6: So they were both in the top twelve overall.
Speaker 4: And you know, Kilane has now had three teams in
the top twelve, including the twenty twenty team, So.
Speaker 5: He's started a little ways to make up there with
on Lavelle Edwards, but he's doing his best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: Over the last three years, which unit of the BYU
football team has been the best unit? Would you say,
per recipe plus offense, defense or special teams?
Speaker 4: In terms of average rankings, it would be Special teams
had they were eleventh two year, in twenty three they
were fourth, and last year they fell the forty fifth.
Speaker 6: But that's still overall.
Speaker 5: A really nice average.
Speaker 4: And if we're looking at three years, both the offense
and defense were dragged down by twenty three. That was
a pretty shaky year overall, obviously not only moving to
the Big twelve, but then obviously you know, just not
having a team and trying to figure out your way
through that. But then both units improved the last two years.
The offense went from seventy fifth to thirty six to
twenty fourth, and like I said, the defense has been
top twenty two straight years. So especially it's just been nice,
you know, to carry the weight a little bit, and
then it regressed the hair last year, but nothing major.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of interesting to see that.
Speaker 3: How in how does a win loss record right, how
is it influenced by like elite special teams play. Would
you say, is you have any opinion on that on
how what role special teams plays in that win loss column.
Speaker 4: You know, I think my general theory has just been
for a while that like close games is where you
know you're going to see that. You know your close
games record, if you have a good quarterback play, you
know how to master a four minute drill, you can
and you can make forty five yard field goals or
you know, penn an opponent deep at a key time.
Speaker 5: That's going to be how you win close games.
Speaker 4: And you know BYU last I checked one of quite
a few close games these last couple of seasons.
Speaker 5: So maybe that theory checks out.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that being said, it's like we looked at that
over the last few years, and even in twenty twenty three, right,
they they took Oklahoma and Oklahoma States with the.
Speaker 1: Wire at the end of the year to get Bowl eligible.
Speaker 3: They came short, but those were two top twenty five
teams double as you win teams.
Speaker 1: They fell short.
Speaker 3: But it does seem that BYU has won many more
games in these then they've lost. When it's like a
one score game.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously both of the losses from twenty five
were multi score games and they won all the close ones.
Speaker 5: And you know, year before.
Speaker 4: Had a couple dropped a couple close ones at the end,
but one of them elsewhere. You're right, I mean, I
think those last two games of twenty three is where
the ship started to turn around a little bit. There
were some blowouts there in the middle of that season,
but you know, finishing the year almost you know, staying
within one score of Oklahoma and then probably should have
beatn Oklahoma State in that last game. You know, that
was if nothing else, to sign up what they were
capable of.
Speaker 5: And you know twenty three and four since then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what does BUYU need to improve upon if they
want to get over the hump? Would you say, get
into the CSP They were close, but no cigars this year?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4: I mean, the biggest weakness from a pure ranking perspective
is big plays on offense. You know, they were far
more efficient than their their opponents in terms of you know,
success rate, and they went three and out far less,
and so they were able to kind of you know,
when you're when you're going to three.
Speaker 5: And out far less than your opponent.
Speaker 4: You're probably winning the field position battle, and that rang
true by all means, but just the easy points, that's
the biggest way that by you can improve is just
you know, big play or two here and that sets
up a few more easy points. And you know, obviously
Texas Tech was was in a different strategy of this year,
and BYU fans that know.
Speaker 5: That as well as anybody, but you know, they wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Have had to work quite as hard against Utah or
Arizona or something like that that they've gotten or Colorado especially,
you know, get an easy touchdown earlier in the game
and distance yourself. That's probably the biggest opportunity.
Speaker 3: There, Yeah, no doubt about it. What's interesting about SP plus.
I was looking at Kirk Signetti's rankings. I don't know
if you looked at his like ap pole ranking, and
I know the SID may have something to say about
these rankings, but I had like Iowa ranked very high,
very high, like almost I think top twelve, maybe like
tenth or something like that.
Speaker 1: To pull about back up, and I was looking at
sp plus.
Speaker 3: You got Iowa at nine and four as the twelve
best team in college football.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was they kind of well, and I was
annoyed because I kind of had them as an underrated
team this year and I thought they were primed should
be pretty good, and then they dropped a bunch of
close games, and so nobody really noticed how good they were,
even though you know, they almost.
Speaker 5: Beat they almost beat Indiana.
Speaker 4: Maybe that was part of his rationale for it, but
you know, dropping off by three in Iowa State, five
to Indiana, two to Oregon. I mean that's two of
the four semi final teams where they had the game,
you know, to win in the last two minutes. So
they were really, really, really good football team, but they
just were on the wrong side of the close games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, you know, so that.
Speaker 3: You know, this is an interesting situation, right because Indian
ended up winning the national championship.
Speaker 1: You look at the College Football.
Speaker 3: Playoff Committee choices and obviously, you know, certain teams off
of merit probably shouldn't have got in, but due to contracts,
they did get in.
Speaker 1: If you would have had.
Speaker 3: Your your brothers, what should have the top twelve been
if it was based off of sp plus, what would
have been the top twelve teams to get into the
COLF Football Playoff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think first of all, Miami and
Notre Dame get in if i'm because one of the
things I was doing late in the season was just
you know, I was I lost complete faith in the
committee once you realized they were doing there, you know,
the way they were playing the head to head game,
where you know, Notre Dames and over Miami unless there
as long as byus separating them, and if BYU's not there,
then suddenly Miami is better than Notre Dame. But they
weren't before, and all the different ways, and the fact
that Oklahoma had to be ahead of Alabama because they're
better than Alabama in one game even though they had
a bunch of turnovers in that game, they weren't actually
better in that game either. I just I kind of
lost faith entirely in that system. And I was just
playing with pure spplus resume SP plus FPI and strinth
the record and just went with a full computer system
there to see what it would come up with. And
it had both Notre Dame and Miami, and it had
Alabama just out had Oklahoma out by quite a bit. So,
so it was a weird year in terms of judging
the SEC because in terms of average sp plus writing
and they're still but comfortably the best conference. They had,
their worst team was better than seven Big ten teams.
Big ten team was extremely vertical, where the SEC was
kind of horizontal in all the teams being really close together.
But you know, the strongest conference or not. Oklahoma shouldn't
have been there and Alabama probably shouldn't have been there either,
and they just tied themselves in knots and I just
hated it. I hated the way that all played out.
And you know, as it turned out, Alabama it could
only beat Oklahoma and they got crushed by a real team.
So you know, it is what it is, I guess,
but I kind of lost. The committee lost me this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how far out was How far away was BYU
from getting in?
Speaker 4: They were close, I mean obviously they would have been.
I think they were first team out before the Big
twelve championship and then I don't remember, Alabama was probably
still ahead of them when both teams fell. But yeah,
they were right on the border for obvious reasons. I mean,
they only they'd only lost to a top four team
and beating everybody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 3: That would have been nice not to play Texas Tech
and the regular season, going to the Big twelve championship
undefeated and then lose, even if it was in convincing fashion.
Maybe you get in then with only one loss. So
give me your ideal scenario, right if you had, if
you were a power broker of college football, what's the
right number of teams to having a playoff? And should
we get away from only a subjective committee and ad
an algorithm to balance out the human corruptible eye test
nature of the current committee.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, first of all, like I've never had
a problem with sixteen, I've assumed we'd be at sixteen
by now. But also I've come to really like twelve.
That's a really high bar still, and lots of games
you know, ended up making a huge difference.
Speaker 5: Obviously for how to Dame.
Speaker 4: The first two games made all the difference, but I
think that kept the bar really high, and obviously Miami
barely squeaking in and it almost went in. The whole
thing I think was good for the system as a whole.
So if we stay at twelve for a long time,
I'm I'm totally good with it. But I've you know,
first time I haven't wrote about the playoff. I think
it was for Football outsiders in like two thousand and eight,
and I said, I was advocated for sixteen, So I'm
not going to complain if we get that too. I
the twenty four and the multiple auto beds and all that,
you can you can miss me with all that, we
haven't even, man, we haven't. We have a twenty fourteen playoff.
That's the way things are are shaped up right now.
Speaker 5: It'll end in March.
Speaker 4: We haven't even mastered twelve yet, so we don't need
to think anything past four rounds just yet. But I'm
fine with twelve or sixteen. And like I said, I
mean my joke, and late in the season it was
a pretty bitter joke. But this is the committee was
no longer. This was the year it became official that
the Committee does not rank twenty five teams. Crafts an
archiesonally hand crafted list of teams for the playoffs, and
they don't just rank one to twenty five.
Speaker 5: And if the humans can't do it, I just want
computers to do.
Speaker 4: I just want to one through twenty five and then
we'll figure out who made the playoff after those teams
are ranked, and instead they were just twisting themselves in
nots and I hated it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good with a Sweet sixteen, if you will.
And if that Sweet sixteen would have been effectuated this year,
who would have been in that thirteen fourteen to fifteen
kind of sixteen slots? And do you think any of
those teams could have maybe made a run in the
CFP if you looked at kind of the potential seedings.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think if they were sixteen with my computer.
Speaker 4: Thing that I was doing, BAU and Alabama are definitely in.
I think Vanderbilt was in, and then I can't remember
for sure the last pot was It might have been
I had been, Oklahoma might have been.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 4: I think Utah Maybe I'm trying to remember for sure,
but yeah, I mean, and again at that point, we
are kind of we are lower in the bar when
you get to the you know, Utah having lost to
buy U n Tech and all that, but the Utah
was a really good football team. I think any of
those b y U and Utah both had the line
play that could have been necessary to win at least
a game or two. You know, they didn't have a
Malachai Tony necessarily like Miami did. But the line play
is what got Miami pretty far down that road.
Speaker 6: And I think by U and Utah were both extremely physical.
Speaker 4: That's why those three teams stood out in the Big
twelve as a whole this year. Those are the three
teams that could really really play in the trenches. And
you know, we'll see, we'll see if anybody can change that.
I've been updating rosters. I love, you know, Oklahoma State
basically importing North Texas's offense. That's gonna be great. Kansas State.
I think I love the moves Kansas State made on defense.
But the top three were the top three, and obviously
Morgan scot he's got a high bar to clear, but
they might clear it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely intriguing this next year. Do you have
a way too early win loss prediction for BYU football
as you've been aggregating the roster talent and what they
bring in and what they return.
Speaker 4: I don't have updated rankings yet, but I can tell
you that based on I have this year's schedule, based
on last year's rating, that.
Speaker 6: Would be right around nine wins for BYU.
Speaker 5: So we'll see. I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure they're going to rank relatively high in
returning production if I had to bet.
Speaker 5: I'm not seeing really any.
Speaker 4: Major major holes that suddenly have to be filled, so
maybe it ends up being higher than that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think I'm thinking.
Speaker 4: My guess is that they'll probably start the year second
in the conference, just like the finished the year.
Speaker 3: I guess, Well, that's interesting because I think that would
that would be maybe the most optimistic win loss or
win projection from SP plus.
Speaker 1: I want to say in the last five years, right that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying to. Yeah, I'm trying
to remember.
Speaker 4: I remember in twenty after they kind of they lost
a bunch of guys but were still really good. In
twenty one they were I think gus P plus was
super high on them heading into twenty two, and they
fell off, so that I should go back and look
at what the projections were.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were high, you were, Yeah, you're right going
into twenty twenty two with all the returning production and
the talent. There's a lot of NFL talent on that squad,
and with the strength of schedule in front of them,
they did they fell short in twenty twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: I'd agree with that. I think you had them pretty high.
I think they would probably be pretty close to each other.
Speaker 5: It was kind of chasing.
Speaker 4: It was chasing BYU around for a couple of years.
The I thought they'd fall off in twenty one.
Speaker 6: They really didn't.
Speaker 4: Thought they'd be great in twenty two, and they weren't. So,
but I think we're back on track now these last
couple of years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had lost.
Speaker 3: They lost a Notre Dame that year at a neutral
site in Vegas. They lost to Arkansas at home. Probably
shouldn't have lost that game. They lost to Liberty on
the road. They lost to East Carolina as well at home.
They fell short. There's no doubt about it. The only
loss that I felt like they really probably should have
took it on the on the lipswither was that Oregon
team at Oregon. All the other ones were all winnable games.
Speaker 5: Yeah that was then. I mean they're still grated out.
Speaker 4: Okay, they got worse than twenty three, but then, yeah,
like we were saying, they rallied late and then they've
been good ever since.
Speaker 1: Yep, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: Bill Conley here the creator of sp plus representing ESPN
dot Com, talking from college football here on your Utah
ESPN Radio network. So, Bill, the Big Twelve as a conference,
how do you see it comparative to the SEC, the
Big Ten, and the ACC Right now? Are they on
the on the bottom rung here? Comparatively speaking from a
talent from a productivity standpoint, Well.
Speaker 4: I think, I mean they were called in terms of
average ratings, they were closer to the Big Ten than
or they were just about as close to the Big
ten ats there where the ACCHC stunk. You know, obviously
obviously Miami peaked late and that ended up flecting well
on a lot of teams. Yeah, but the bottom of
the just as I was saying about the Big Ten,
the bottom of the AEC was really really poor, and
so you're just going to get an extra easy game
in that conference compared to everybody else's.
Speaker 5: And the Big Ten was or the Big Twelve? Excuse me?
Speaker 4: Was I mean that there were you know, Colorado wasn't
very good. There were a couple of pretty poor teams.
But you just think about in the last two to
three years, almost everybody's been good to quite good at
least once, and that's a pretty impressive thing. Can't necessarily
say that about the about the ACC. So obviously there's
a gap between the top two, but between the top
two and the next two, I should say. But I mean,
right now, I think in terms of consistent quality, Big
twelve is still comfortably ahead of the a SEC.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's a good thing.
Speaker 3: How far away are they from the SEC right now?
I see it seems like they may be falling from grace.
Speaker 1: All of that equity that was.
Speaker 3: Built through uh you know, paying players under the table
and uh, those those car dealerships in rural areas, you know,
fitting the bill.
Speaker 1: It seems like that's possibly coming to an end.
Speaker 4: Well, like I said, I think, you know, in terms
of average rating, the SEC is still the comfortably Their
average espupulsrating was thirteen point one.
Speaker 5: That was forty points.
Speaker 4: Ahead of the Big Ten because again, you know, they
had won. Their worst team was sixty seven, and the
Big Ten had seven teams worse than that.
Speaker 5: So that's the plus.
Speaker 4: You know, in like fifty percent of this year of
this past season's games were decided by one touchdown in
the SEC, so that's I mean, it's extremely competitive it's
very high quality, but as you're suggesting, not really a
guaranteed top five team right now. And the SEC is
the one who insisted that conferences should be judged by
who won the national titles, so they are falling by
their own standard in that regard, even if the average
quality is still really good.
Speaker 3: My guy, Bill Conley, Ladies and gentlemen love talking ball
with you is always a pleasure of blessing and for
all those that are listen, the best way to support
you what you do, how you do it?
Speaker 1: Bill?
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm still I can't say I've been.
Speaker 4: I've been, you know, nosing spreadsheets here lately, so I'm
not posting much.
Speaker 5: But go to go to you know, ESPN underscore Bill
C at Twitter. You'll find out what I'm posting.
Speaker 6: Uh, and we'll have.
Speaker 4: It'll take me a while to get through this, but
once we get through all the roster updates, we'll have
a ton of content March most likely.
Speaker 3: I love it, MANH yeah, yeah, what else? Uh? You know,
because you do you do any mail bag things? Were like, uh,
fans are able to send you messages DMS or anything
like that.
Speaker 1: What have been what have people been asking you? About recently.
Speaker 4: I should do an AMA at some point on on
social No it is, I mean right now, I think
everybody's just waiting, you know, like, do you have any updates?
So when I'm returning, production is going to come out.
That's kind of the most common question. But no, that's
that's pretty much. You know, I have, you know, the
normal kind of train of content here coming up right now.
Everybody everybody was distracted by the NFL. Everybody's distracted by
Olympics now, so you know, socials are pretty quiet.
Speaker 3: Love it man, Well, appreciate you Bill as always loved
and ball with your thanks ropping on.
Speaker 6: Absolutely take care Bill Conley.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen.
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We got Chancellor Johnson on the line. Chancellor, how that
are you, buddy?
Speaker 7: I'm doing well man. Now, whenever I get out to Utah,
you have to take me to this Ruby's in.
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Speaker 3: You're gonna see something you've never experienced, never seen before.
My gosh darn guarantee of that, you saw something that
not many people get to see, aj De Bons almost
going off for a forty burger.
Speaker 1: What happened last night in wacop Man.
Speaker 7: What a special performance from the freshman. And you know,
I know for BYU fans out there, it seems like
you guys have been grown accustomed to seeing that. But
you know, it's just so such a special talent for him.
And I've got a chance to watch him obviously on TV,
but sings mean person and seeing his physicality, his athleticism,
his length, and his just overall talent was just a
sight to see. And from early on at that game
in Waco against Baylor, and as I mentioned, you know
kind of before I'm talking to some other people, this
was a game that you guys know, by you desperately needed.
It was a four game slot that they were on.
They were going in the wrong direction, and obviously, right now,
as we're getting into February and into March, you want
to be playing your best basketball, and overall BYU just
simply had not been doing that. And they had an
opportunity on the road against another desperate team like the
Baylor Bears, and they were led by as you Debas
who had thirty six. The Bears had no answer for him.
And then robis the third in his return. Now, let
me tell you, every single time you touched the ball,
Foods rained down. From the moment they introduced him, he
was the clear building in the arena and he and
Ajdabossas certainly showed up and showed out, helping to lead
BYU to a victory, a great win for the BYU couters.
Speaker 3: Well, what stands out to you about AJ's a skill set,
his playmaking ability, you know, his body type, what's stood
out to you about Aj when you got eyes.
Speaker 7: On you Know what's funny is I feel like as
we get through this draft process and there's so many
great prospects across you know, the country, it's easy to
nitpick on certain people, right, and it's easy to nickpick
on aj de Bonson. I've heard some different things, but
one thing that is not lost on me is the
fact that this guy is eighteen nineteen years old and
he is able to get to his spots will and
particularly at the collegiate level, if you put a guard
on him, he's gonna shoot right over you. And talking
to Kelvin Sampson. Matter of fact, before Houston played BYU,
he said that the top four Frenchman he's coached against
was like Jason Kidd and Carmel Anthony and a couple
of other people, And he said aj Debosser reminds him
of Tamarlo Anthony. And we saw some of that even yesterday,
where he's just able to rise over smaller guards to
shoot over you, and then if you put a big
on him, he's just gonn to low right by you,
uses athleticism and get to the rim, and we see
how he's able to tear the rim down as well.
So seeing that up close in person, you just see
how much he's a mismatched problem. Kevin Young certainly was
hunting that out yes Sday against the Baylor Bears, and
then aj De Bonson he came through and delivered and
just overall too his ability to get to his spots,
just be able to live in the paint. To me,
once he gets two feet in the paint and turns
over that shoulder and he gets it up, it feels
like a layup and you're at and if you're opposing defense,
you're at the mercy of aj Debance and once again,
that's such a rare skill set to have at such
a young age.
Speaker 3: Who do you think goes first overall in this next
year's NBA draft? There was NBA scouts that were polled,
twelve of them I think there's twenty total, but twelve
of them picked Darren Peterson.
Speaker 1: This is a couple of weeks ago. Eight of them
picked aj Debonce.
Speaker 3: Where do you think, who do you think is going
to go first overall?
Speaker 7: If I was to guess, I still think it'll be
Darren Peterson. I know that a lot of people have
been disappointed in the way that Dan Peterson has Singley
has just sat out in a number of games, especially
in some games where his team is frankly any of them.
But at the end of the day, I think scouts
know that when he gets to the next level at
the NBA level, that you know, the talent obviously speaks
for itself. We saw that when Kannas played YU and
Darren Peterson was sensational. I don't know how how much
that scouta actually worried about that because they know, like
you know, ultimately all these guys, for the most part,
these freshmen are won and done, and so their goal
was to get to the NBA level. But you know,
with that being said, if you look what what AJ
Debosa has been able to do over the past, you know,
really the entire season, he's leading the country in scoring.
And one thing you can't teach. You can't teach the size.
You can't teach the athleticism. That's something that he certainly
does have over Darren Peterson. But you know, as I
mentioned DP, that the talent is certainly there, and so
I would not be surprised if still as of today,
Darren Pearson goes number one overall, But if this trend continues,
I wouldn't be surprised either if it shifts a different
direction and AJ Deboston bounces back to number one overall.
Speaker 1: Who would you pick? And why?
Speaker 7: You know, it's funny if you asked me this last week,
I would have said Darren Pearson. But after giving a
chance to see AJ Debonsa in person and then seeing
kind of what continues to off forward with DP, I
like the competitiveness of of AJ to Boston once again
that leads to athleticism that you can't teach. As of today,
I'm going back to AJ to Boston, especially after seeing
him this week, someonely lean AJ as of today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because you got to know him a
little bit too, like personality wise and and look, recency
biases real.
Speaker 1: We all know that.
Speaker 3: But you know I've always said like I would, I
would take a J first because I know he's going
to do the lonely work. I know he's gonna he's
going to continue to get better.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: He distributes the ball actually really well.
Speaker 3: He's a great teammate. If you want to win championships,
you need a great team. You can just be a
one man scoring show, and he elevates others.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I feel like uh, in a world of ego driven
narcissism and me first mentality, Aj uh Man, he's a great.
Speaker 7: Teammate, absolutely a great teammate. And that's something that that
I got a chance to kind of even pick up
yesterday at the at the Baylor game. And it was
interesting that once again we know that AJ is one
and and he made sure to shout out like Rob Wright.
He wanted to get him going early in his return
back to his old stomping grounds at Baylor. And when
when when Rob Wright made a shot, AJ was his
biggest cheerleader and the guy simply loved AJ. That the
energy is certainly inspectious that he brings that team each
and every night along with his talent. With that being said,
when I look at like a pair of DP Daran
Pearson to AJ to Bonsa, I will say that I
do feel like Darrin Pearson's buckets come a little bit
easier than Bosa at times. He's able to do it
on ball off ball is he's a better catch a shooter,
but he's better at catch a shoot than idiot Bosa
his percentages and on top of that, you cant to
see him, you know, working on some cork cups and
he lets the game kind of cuts him a little
bit easier. One thing that I will say, if you
want a nick tack on AJ, sometimes the ball can
stick with him versus Darren Pearson. He's able to kind
of get off of it a little bit more. What's
cam going back to that on ball off ball that
he's able to do as a as a combo guard.
But at the same time, when the ball is in
AJ's hands at the end the day, most of the
time the bugles in the hole. And that's the point
of this of why you know, you played the game
with basketball, so with you wanna be nitpicky. That's the
kind of the difference that I would say between the two.
But both of them when they are all in the
flour they compete, and we saw that, you know when
d Yu played played Kansas and frankly, Derek Pierson went
at AJ Debonsa and obviously he got the better of
him in that game, and so did the team. But
what you know, you can't go wrong with either ones
of those talents.
Speaker 3: We got Chancellor Johnson Big Twelve, ANELUS Big Twelve insider
talking some college basketball here on your Utah ESPN Radio Network.
Speaker 1: Chancellor the Big Twelve.
Speaker 3: You get to see these guys up close and personal,
very talented. There's great great players for Houston, great player
for Texas Tech, b YU, obviously Kansas. You're watching it all.
How would you describe the Big twelve right now? And
what stands out to you about the product being played?
Speaker 7: An absolute monster. That's how we described it every day.
If you better, you better put your your big play,
your big boy pants on, because you know you're going
to be in for a rod And the thing is
obviously the big twelve is pretty top heavy when you
look at some of the top teams, starting with Arizona,
the team that's been the best team in the country
all season long, even in their loss this week on
the road to Kansas. But you know, Kansas, they're starting
to play some of their best basketball right now, as
we've been able to see Houston still right there now
there's still the champ back to back at that here
in the Big twelve, Texas Tech they have the best
pool in the country and J. C. Toppen and Christian Anderson.
I don't want to forget Io State either, who got
off to the best start in program of history at
sixteen or zero. They lost yesterday to TCU, but come
March they're still teen to be to be wrecking with.
They have Joshua Jefferson who is on pace to be
an All American. I don't want to forget anybody, but
like once again, he can go on and on. And
then of course b Yu that you know, any given
night that are really most Knights agi to Boston is
going to be the best player on the floor. And
so it's highly competitive and even A J. Debosa Coons
joked about it yesterday that you know, he's not really
he's never really lost four games before. But that's just
kind of the nature oh the Big Twelve. It's so
hard to win here. And even the teamy Baylor at
the end of they beat they have two players that
are poticted to be NBA guys and two day Yesipool
who had a big night with thirty seven points and
Cameron Carr who poured in twenty five plus points himself.
But you know, they're struggling in the season, and that's
just once again the nature of how the Big Twelve
is this season.
Speaker 3: Pretty crazy to see just how deep this conference really is.
And even watching Baylor, I think Baylor's been playing some
of their best ball over the last four weeks. They
almost knocked out knocked off Iowa State, and they were
right there with BYU. They had two wins before that
there were you know, ten plus point margin victory, So
you never know what can happen on the back end.
If you're looking at BYU right now and looking at
where they're trending. Obviously they lost four in a row.
They got to win versus Baylor. You're looking at the schedule.
Hopefully they can finish above five hundred and Big twelve play.
What that of seeding do you think BYU will get?
Speaker 7: Yeah, right now, I think they're probably floating around the
six seven, And that's not trying to be make it
making one of the you know, the popular jokes, right
the viral chokes of sixth seventh. But I think they're
floating around there. They certainly need to shrink some someones
together because if you're you know, a b YU fan,
what you don't want to do is or what you
want to do is try to earn one of those
early buys. Come to the Big twelve tournament. You get you,
get you some, get you some rests, and get some
get your legs underneath you to hopefully make a run
and compete for a Big twelve tournament title. Because right now,
with as many losses as BYU has, I don't think
that Arizona Houston Kansas now has the over the head
to head over BYU is going to drop that low.
So BYU is out of the conference regular season title race,
but there's still so much more to be played, so
much more to play for. That's the thing that even
if you don't win the Big Twelve, you still are
certainly in the running to go to the final four
and potentially be a national champion. As I mentioned, you
look at Arizona, Texas Tech, Houston, b YU, Kansas, and
I'm missing another team as well. I hate that six
teams that they.
Speaker 1: Have a real state did you mention, yes, yeah.
Speaker 7: Iowa State as well. There are teams that have wild
him the chance of making a very very long run
in the in the tournament. And so if i'm if
I'm the BYU Cougar's right now, my focus is how
could we get around to playing our best basketball. So
that way, let's you know, the calendar turns from February
to March, we are now playing.
Speaker 3: That Chancellor, Let's talk a little bit about the supporting
cast for b Yu Hadeem Whoop looked looked pretty good
on the defensive end. He's a little bit limited offensively.
We we know about the big three, right AJ, Rob
and Ritchie. If you were to put maybe a you know,
a prognostication out there of whoo, who's actually going to
be the supporting cast, Which players are gonna end up
helping BYU not only get to the tournament, but make
a run in the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 1: Who do you think it is and why?
Speaker 7: I think it's just led by the trio there Canard Davis.
He's together some nice games here lately. He had twelve
points last night. But once again, I think it starts
with you know your trio Rob right the third as
you de Bonsa and Richie Saunders. And Richie didn't shoot
the ball very well yesterday, but he still ended up
with fifteen points. He went six or fourteen from deep,
actually missed some open jumpers. But you know, what's the
tournament time. I don't know if there's gonna be an
unlikely hero from BYU. If I'm being honest with you,
I think in order to get to where the crews
want to go, and that's Indianapolis up the final four,
those three are will have to have to carry the torch.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 7: Once again, Conar Davis has played some perimeter defense. He's
usually checking the best perimeter player for the opposing team.
As I mentioned, he poured in twelve points. He didn't
shoot the ball well from deep, but you know, if
you can get some more shots to go from the outside,
I think that will certainly help. But you know, come
once you get to the sweet sixteen, if BYU is
fortunate to get there. It's going to be in the back.
It's going to be on the back of those three Chancellor.
Speaker 3: Best way to support you what you do, how you
do it for all of our listeners.
Speaker 7: Yes, sir, on Chancellor TV on Twitter and Instagram, and
I'm even on TikTok the for the kids out there
as well. So I do film breakdowns, story times and
well some behind the scenes access access and and even
some exclusive interviews like I had yesterday with aj Debonsa.
He was great with this time. You had some fun
with that, and uh yeah, certainly on social media at
Chancellor TV.
Speaker 1: Anything you got cooking now you can tease us with.
Speaker 7: I'm always working. I'm always working. I have some some
some more film breakdowns coming. I'm actually doing some some
more on aj de bons I just put out some
some content with him yesterday and I actually even kind
of go and get a little bit more in depth
about a first time seeing in person. But once again
you can see all that almost social pages. And then
I appreciate certainly hell the support I've been able to get,
even covering BYU during the football season, the fans there great.
As I mentioned, I'm trying to get out to get
out there to probo and and and now i'm'll hold
you to that. That rull be Tuesday deal as well,
so we'll certainly.
Speaker 5: Have to do that.
Speaker 3: We'll see and you here short. They let us know
when you show up. We'll get you hooked up. Chancellor Johnson,
Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so.
Speaker 7: Much, thanks your tom Man. Thank you.
Speaker 1: There you go.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to it.
Speaker 3: Preston Rex discussing uh, the legacy of the Rex family
at Brigham.
Speaker 9: When you grow up surfing, you know, you kind of
take on the mentality of of of a surfer, you know.
And that's something that Coach Hill before he you know,
took the other job, he would explain to this like, hey,
just be a surfer. You know, when a surfer catches
the wave, you know, he experiences the peak and the
lows and the crashes. But the wave isn't beautiful because
you wrote it, or it lasts forever. It's it's it's
awesome because it happened. Man, you get to do that
over and over again. So that's something that you know,
just growing up. It's it's been instilled with me, you know,
with with my dad and Isaac. Just to enjoy the moment.
I think just being where your feet are, you know,
it makes you grateful for everything, the ups and downs,
because you know that that clash between the two is
it is really just a beautiful thing.
Speaker 3: There's gonna be highs and lows. It's gonna be under la,
this is gonna be waves. You gotta right at the
wave when it comes on and experience the lows as
well in the crashes, and wait for that big wave.
Sometimes the patients many times can pay off. But not
all of us have has patients. We don't have patience.
Sometimes being where our feet at, being where the board
is at in that wave can be a difficult thing,
a difficult task, and you hope Preston can be patient.
He got some opportunities this year Press and Rex did
at running back. Remember in fall camp we saw him
running with the twos. The six foot hundred, nine to
five pounds running back Redshier Junior this season out of
San Colementa California, Sant Colnicia High School. He's been a
defensive back for BYU in yours past. He was moved
to running the running back room and.
Speaker 1: Got some opportunities, but lo and behold a little bit of.
Speaker 3: Soft tissue and adversity reared their ugly heads. A soft
tissue in your hamstring issues. It derailed them a bit
from us seeing early playing time and finally who worked
his way back into the lineup finally got some opportunities,
but it was short lived.
Speaker 1: Short lived.
Speaker 3: He was more of maybe a scat back out of
the backfield. Catching the ball of the backfield didn't find
Dansers necessarily a groove. But hopefully this offseason he can
get bigger, faster, stronger and compete for that RB two spot.
Devon Ekka has shown well per reports. Logan Pain has
also looked good per reports. Press and Rex.
Speaker 1: Can can make some hay.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, he's a he's a diverse skill set
running back. I think he's got a high football IQ
obviously comes from a great football family, and I can't
wait to see what he can do in springball.
Speaker 1: Now's at the time, now's the place.
Speaker 3: He's got a ball out and make some build some
trust with him and the offensive coaching staff in order
to see more PT in twenty twenty six. But right now,
the running back room, there's a there's a competition for
RB two. Who's your favorite to win that RB two spot?
Ronald the three man Weaver.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is tough, right, I mean there's a bunch
of guys in that room. Obviously, people are gonna pick
the favorite in people are gonna pick you know, Devon Ekka.
But look, I bought stock in Press and Rex, and
I'm gonna stay there. I really think when you get
hit with Injrew's being, you know how it is, it
just derails the confidence. He derails everything, and you don't
in the season. You got to keep things moving. Things
are high paced. You don't have a time to really
fully recover the way you want. We saw Cody EPs,
you know, on his Instagram story constantly was in that
room trying to get back. Sometimes you need a fall
off season to get healthy. So I'm still gonna say
it's Preston Rex. I think guys in the in the
running back room to have a year. I like what
I see from everybody. But when you've played already in
the system, when you're an athlete and when you've played
offense already in high school, I think it's easy. And
when people have raved about you. Look, he was playing
until he got hurt. He was out there. So that's
the guy. I'm still gonna bet on. I like pressing
Rex's chances at RB two and he's gonna continue to
ride that way be until he gets that opportunity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh man, it's a difficult Uh, it's a
difficult question.
Speaker 1: Vic.
Speaker 3: Where do you say, Vick Craham our data aggregation specialists,
newsletter specialist? Who's your favorite? Is it Joe Vesa de Mooney?
Is it Logan Pain? Is it Showing Moa? Is it
Preston Rex? Is it Devon Ekka? Who do you got
and why?
Speaker 10: Well, I'm going to speak this into existence and say
that is going to come back and be healthy for
a whole year, that you know, but if you you know,
if that doesn't happen, I'm just so excited about Eka.
You know, I love what coach Steve Clemens has said
about him and and how he works there at Lehigh,
and then of course you know what he's doing now
at BYU. So it's It's always good to see a
kid work, you know. So I'm just going to speak
that into existence, UH and say is going to have
a solid year with no injury.
Speaker 1: I would love to see it. It just hasn't happened
in the two years, right.
Speaker 3: I like, I like the speaking into existence. We need
more of that. You know who does that really well?
Kilani Sittaki. He's just speak it into an existent type
of guy.
Speaker 1: Lucky for now.
Speaker 3: His UH is also on the Charles Miska Charlie Miiska
also on that list. And you never know what can
happen in the offseason. Maybe there's a few other players
that UH that will be added into the mix. I
think right now the favorite is is shiing it? Right,
It definitely is UH. I wouldn't sleep on Logan Pain,
I really would, I think. I mean, I've heard reports.
He's got great top end speed. He's thick, he's strong,
he's fast. And remember in high school, I do take
into account what they did in high school, Okay, what
they produced, how consistent they were. Their best ability should
be their availability. And if you look at UH at
productivity in.
Speaker 1: High school, it's like, Okay.
Speaker 3: Who were the most productive football players in high school
that played running back in in this uh in this
running back room. Right, Logan Payn was a in twenty
twenty one, so it's been a minute. Remember, served his
mission and came back. He had one hundred ninety one
carries for oney three hundred and ninety yards and sixteen
touchdowns to lead the six A high schools right and rushing.
Speaker 1: Okay, he was. He was putting up some numbers.
Speaker 3: He's five ten and he's two fifteen to two twenty,
so he's.
Speaker 1: Pretty thick, you know.
Speaker 3: I like my personal my personal preference is to have
those five foot ten, five foot nine, two hundred and
twenty pound running backs.
Speaker 1: I love them.
Speaker 3: I think they stayed low to the the they have
a low center of gravity. They fight through arm arm
tackles and caught through contact. They hide behind those six
foot five, six and six offensive linemen. If they're scatty,
if they have a little bit of wiggle to them,
they do those jump jump stop jump hops type of
cutback type of movements. And so I've been I've been
intrigued by Logan pain for a long time, and I believe.
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, I'm trying to think of.
Speaker 3: What his his his total rushing yards were as well
in his high school career. I'll pull that that stat
up here momentarily, but really really good football player in
total two thousand rushing yards in his his career. His
junior year, he he only played in one game, so
he got a little bit dinged up, but probably would
have been a three thousand yard rusher. Davon Ekka also
three thousand twitter seventy six total rushing yards over his
high school career. So if I'm gonna pick two guys
right now, I may just pick one of those two guys,
and you may be saying, well, what about what was
his productivity like in high school?
Speaker 1: And he was.
Speaker 3: He was also productive, really good football player in high school.
He ran for I want to say it was two
and forty four yards, so definitely highly productive. He had
a one four and twenty three yard rushing effort his
senior year. So all three of them on pace right
to be I think an RB two type of guy.
Speaker 1: Those are my three favorites right now, let's go to break.
Speaker 3: That was a fantastic segment with Preston Rex Preston. Don't
sleep on Preston though he's got an uphill battle, but
he can do it. He's got a great pass catching
ability out of the backfield and could be the most
maybe versatile running back out of that crew. That segment
was a great one and we'll get a go to break.
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