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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from Studio A Here at proven Winns Color Choice Shrubs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for the Gardening Simplified Podcast, YouTube and radio

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<v Speaker 1>show with Stacy Hervella, me, Rick Weist, and our engineer

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<v Speaker 1>and producer Adrianna Robinson. Stacy, I thought it'd be fun

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<v Speaker 1>today to talk about trigger plants. Some plants are just

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<v Speaker 1>good communicators. They tell us when something's wrong. Other plants

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<v Speaker 1>are kind of stoic, like squars or succulents. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what comes their way, they basically don't tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that something's going wrong. But some plants do.

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<v Speaker 2>You might call them drama queens drama queens, or you

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<v Speaker 2>might call them trigger plants as we are entitling this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I feel like I also would call them

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<v Speaker 2>like signal plants or century plants. They kind of give

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<v Speaker 2>you that, you know, clue that something's going on. For me. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the plants in my guard that I would

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<v Speaker 2>consider one of these plants is a plant called Agastaki nepatoides.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the green, giant green Agastaki, very cool plants,

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<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't really want to grow in full sun

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<v Speaker 2>and dry soil like I have it in it will

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<v Speaker 2>tolerate it. But if it has not rained for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the first plant to be like, whoa, I am

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<v Speaker 2>peacing out. It's the first plant so well then I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>things are really dry. So that's my that's my one

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<v Speaker 2>of my trigger plants. But that kind of shows you

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<v Speaker 2>that the plants that we're talking about may or may

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<v Speaker 2>not trigger something depending on how you grow them in

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<v Speaker 2>good conditions, the conditions it prefers, this plant would not

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<v Speaker 2>really be a trigger plant, would be perfectly happy, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly trying to push it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I call them read the tea leaves plants. I

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<v Speaker 1>think fortune tellers used to have you drink a cup

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<v Speaker 1>of tea and then the tea leaves that are left

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<v Speaker 1>in the bottom of the cup. They'd interpret them or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it may be, but reading the tea leaves. So

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<v Speaker 1>for me through the years, one plant in my landscape

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<v Speaker 1>or in landscapes in general, would be impatiens wall arianna okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and often, you know, years ago we would allow them

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<v Speaker 1>to get to the droop stage, so to speak, because

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<v Speaker 1>it put the plant under a little bit of stress

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<v Speaker 1>and they bloomed better that way. But with impatiens wall Ariana,

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<v Speaker 1>when they're being a drama queen and you get out

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<v Speaker 1>there and water them, suddenly they pop right back up.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I guess you know. There are some plants.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take this as an example. It's finally hot here

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<v Speaker 1>in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>It is at long last, and what you.

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<v Speaker 1>Start to hear from people is it's so hot. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>we just went through winter. This is what we've been

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for. But there are plants that have dramatic droops.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mentioned impatients Waile Ariana. You add water, that

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<v Speaker 1>distress is gone. You look at house plants spatifhylum or peace.

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<v Speaker 2>That was on my list for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and often you'll see them in office spaces where

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<v Speaker 1>they are being a drama queen and exhibiting that dramatic group.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and they are a plant that definitely. The cool

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<v Speaker 2>thing about them is not only are they telling you

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<v Speaker 2>like whoa, hey, I need water, they wilt extremely dramatically,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when you rehydrate them, they're really none the

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<v Speaker 2>worse for the wear. You know, some plants that they

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<v Speaker 2>dry out and will dramatically, they're going to show some

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<v Speaker 2>brown edges around their leaves, and really, you know, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of not like have suffered from it, whereas the peace

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<v Speaker 2>lily is just like, Okay, thanks, just wanted your attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate that moving right on, life goes out. Yes, now

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<v Speaker 2>for you in the industry, I thought your big trigger

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<v Speaker 2>plant was going to be geraniums oherums.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, let me run this one by you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think macrophilla hydrangels.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, they definitely are rama queens. They are drama queens,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, I feel like they're not just I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like they have a limitation, right, Okay, So big

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<v Speaker 2>leaf hydrange is hydrange of Macrophylla. It's right there in

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<v Speaker 2>the name. They have big leaves and they're beautiful plants,

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<v Speaker 2>but they are just not that efficient at using water.

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<v Speaker 2>Some plants are very efficient at using water, so our

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<v Speaker 2>aforementioned is bad thephylum you give it that water poof,

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<v Speaker 2>it's totally fine. Whereas the max those big leaves lose

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<v Speaker 2>water faster than the roots can replace it. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, I don't know, you know, like you

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<v Speaker 2>just have things running at two different rates. The absorption

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<v Speaker 2>rate and the transferration rate are are two different levels.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're not trying to be dramatic. They just physically

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<v Speaker 2>can't handle, you know, the heat. But they're also fine,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and so it's a lot of things. What

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<v Speaker 2>I tell people, if you have a big leaf hydrangel

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<v Speaker 2>and it's consistently wilting on hot summer afternoons and you've

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<v Speaker 2>just watered it, don't worryorry about it. It's just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with, you know, what it has to deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>And that wilting in the case of the big leaf

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<v Speaker 2>hydrangeas is its attempt to reduce the amount of leaf

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<v Speaker 2>service exposed to the sun. If the plant is photosynthesizing,

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<v Speaker 2>it's stomata on the underside of the leaves are open,

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<v Speaker 2>that's giving off water vapor. When a plant wilts reduces

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<v Speaker 2>the amount of leaf surface exposed to the sun. That

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<v Speaker 2>also covers up the stomata on the underside of the leaf,

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<v Speaker 2>so that preserves some of that water that's transpiring out

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<v Speaker 2>of the stomata. And it's just a survival mechanism. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they're usually just fine in the morning. So if that's

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<v Speaker 2>what you're seeing with your max wilting in the hot

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday afternoon, next morning, everything's fine, and you're like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>do I need water or not, you probably don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but a great trigger in the landscape that at

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<v Speaker 1>a glance you can see, oh, things are a little

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<v Speaker 1>hot and a little dry out here. And I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned that because there are plants that have i'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna call it pronounced mid ribs on the full leaf,

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<v Speaker 1>and it causes that plant to have the ability, as

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned, for the leaf to fold on itself and

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<v Speaker 1>preserve moisture. You know, a great example of that are

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<v Speaker 1>the Pikus trees that we enjoy in our homes as

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<v Speaker 1>a houseplant down in Florida. When they're growing there and

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<v Speaker 1>they're getting a lot of hot sun, they use that

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<v Speaker 1>midrib to cause the foliage to fold on itself a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit to conserve some moisture. On let's say a

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<v Speaker 1>hot summer day. You bring them up to Michigan, put

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<v Speaker 1>them in a home where it's low light. You'll see

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<v Speaker 1>where that foliage starts to flatten. The mid rib is

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<v Speaker 1>not as pronounced, The color goes away from the leaf

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to that really dark dark green. A perfect

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<v Speaker 1>example of a trigger plant out in the landscape. I

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<v Speaker 1>think dogwood is a great example. Dogwood leaves will curl,

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<v Speaker 1>they will fold on that midrib and they will change

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<v Speaker 1>color to a degree. A dogwood's a great trigger plant.

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<v Speaker 2>I always thought that was from infectives.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's part of it too, exactly, so it will

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<v Speaker 1>try to tell you what's going on. Let me give

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<v Speaker 1>you a trigger plant, limb a rick. For my every

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<v Speaker 1>well intended action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. Guess

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<v Speaker 1>Newton was right. My plant in hot sunlight is now

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<v Speaker 1>a drooping distraction. Not always what one preconceives. Plant problems

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<v Speaker 1>can be pet peeves. Thank goodness, they communicate before they

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<v Speaker 1>capitulate by wearing their emotions on their leaves. See what

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<v Speaker 1>I did, I thank you. I like that one. But no,

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<v Speaker 1>there are many trigger plants. I always plant, but copa

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<v Speaker 1>with annuals. But copa is a really great trigger plant

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<v Speaker 1>where you can look at a container and at a

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<v Speaker 1>glance you can tell whether or not there are water issues.

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<v Speaker 1>We do that with bridle veil baskets in the greenhouse.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see it at a glance. And again, Stacey,

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<v Speaker 1>coming from the garden center industry, when I walk into

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<v Speaker 1>a garden center and it's hot and dry, and it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like the employees are having difficulty keeping up with

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<v Speaker 1>the watering. One of the first group of plants that

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<v Speaker 1>I walk up to our Shasta daisies. They're usually really

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<v Speaker 1>full in the pot and the leaves will in my

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<v Speaker 1>landscape too immediately exhibit this drooping and again being a

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<v Speaker 1>drama queen, So I think Shasta daisy's too well.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's important to realize about these trigger

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<v Speaker 2>plants is that they aren't just telling you what they need.

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<v Speaker 2>They're also kind of compensating for the plants nearby them

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe don't have that ability. And by the time

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<v Speaker 2>they wilt, it's too late. You know, they're really going

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<v Speaker 2>to be suffering if you see, you know, those plants wilting.

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<v Speaker 2>So these are good plants to have to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>give you that hint, especially if you are like me

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't typically supplemental water and you don't really

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<v Speaker 2>know what's going on. You know, my plants are close

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<v Speaker 2>together in my garden, so they kind of help to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, shade each other out at the roots. And

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<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of mulch, but yeah, I rely

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<v Speaker 2>on those those cues to know, like, I better get

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<v Speaker 2>to devoting some time to water.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly a lawn is a perfect trigger and something for

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<v Speaker 1>you to keep an eye on in summertime. I always

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<v Speaker 1>suggest to people just take a walk across your lawn,

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<v Speaker 1>then stop. Look back. If your footprints have a silvery

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<v Speaker 1>cast to them in the grass, you'll be able to

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<v Speaker 1>tell or you've cut the grass and you can see

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<v Speaker 1>that silvery cra you know, just kind of a silvery

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<v Speaker 1>cast to the lawn. You know, things are dry and

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to irrigate, or things are very hot. So

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<v Speaker 1>there are many, many different types of triggers, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk more about them. Give you some good trigger plants

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<v Speaker 1>in segment for to day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we've talked a lot about summer triggers and wilting,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's winter triggers too that we've talked quite a

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<v Speaker 2>bit about, you know, like the rhododendrons decreasing their leaf surface.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the important thing is, you know, to to

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<v Speaker 2>take the time to notice these types of things and

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<v Speaker 2>think about what they might mean. It's a language that

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<v Speaker 2>you pick up on gradually, and that is really part

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<v Speaker 2>of gardening, is it's you know, decoding the language of

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<v Speaker 2>the plants. And you know, I think your thing about

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<v Speaker 2>the silvery lawn makes sense. Someone might be going like,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what he talks about, what he's

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<v Speaker 2>talking about, but one day this summer, you're gonna actually

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<v Speaker 2>notice it. You'll be like, that was what Rick was saying.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, or the tire tracks, and you're right. The

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<v Speaker 1>macrophila hydranges, those blooms they look grumpy to me. The

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<v Speaker 1>rhododendrons in winter, they just look like they're moping.

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<v Speaker 2>They look very sad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Well, let's see how Stacey ties this in

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<v Speaker 2>and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where today's

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<v Speaker 2>topic is trigger plants and basically what we're saying. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess you know, I couldn't quite think of like the

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<v Speaker 2>perfect word for this concept, you know, but they trigger

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<v Speaker 2>an action from you because they are showing you like, oh, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>something's not great in my environment here. Now, for humans,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, if something's not great in our environment, we

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<v Speaker 2>are able to get up and move to better surroundings.

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<v Speaker 2>And plants don't have that ability. So you know, what

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing is not saying to you like, literally, hey

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<v Speaker 2>I need water, But they are using their survival mechanisms

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with those conditions. And those are not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>conditions that you notice, we experience life different than plants.

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<v Speaker 2>So they then trigger an action from you. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's also important to acknowledge in this conversation that

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<v Speaker 2>some of these trigger plants. You know, it's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>a good thing and can trigger from you. The action

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<v Speaker 2>it should trigger is moving it, because what it's actually

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<v Speaker 2>telling you is like, good, I don't really love this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And I gave that long example and exactly well,

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<v Speaker 2>I gave that long example in the first segment about

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<v Speaker 2>big leaf hydrangeas, and yeah, it can absolutely withstand that

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<v Speaker 2>afternoon welting. You know, if you are in Michigan and

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<v Speaker 2>you have you know, relatively few hot days, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a problem. If you are in a

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<v Speaker 2>warmer climate or a hot climate and that's happening, that

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<v Speaker 2>would be to me a signal that you should move

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<v Speaker 2>the plant into an area where it is in afternoon shade.

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<v Speaker 2>Because if that's, you know, happening, like in Michigan, we

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<v Speaker 2>might get you know, no more than ten or twelve

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<v Speaker 2>days where that's probably happening. But certainly if you live

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<v Speaker 2>in a very hot climate and that's happening every day,

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<v Speaker 2>for in July, August, in September, and eventually that plant

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<v Speaker 2>is going to start to suffer from that. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>always worth considering, you know, as you notice these things

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<v Speaker 2>about your plants, if the trigger action should be putting

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<v Speaker 2>it on your fall list to transplant.

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<v Speaker 1>I like your line of thinking there, And the trigger

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<v Speaker 1>essentially helps you make a decision. Maybe it's down the road,

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<v Speaker 1>but make a decision for that plant, because that plant

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<v Speaker 1>can't get up and walk away, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And we often used that phrase or that analogy read

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<v Speaker 1>the tea leaves in running a business. I used it

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<v Speaker 1>for years in running a business because if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the balance sheet or the financial statement in hale,

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<v Speaker 1>you're essentially reading the tea leaves and making decisions maybe

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<v Speaker 1>for future actions, but you're trying to analyze what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on here and taking the clues that are being presented

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<v Speaker 1>to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, and it really is like learning a language. And

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<v Speaker 2>the language that you're going to be learning does include

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<v Speaker 2>the things that Rick and I are sharing today, but

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<v Speaker 2>it also includes the things that you will observe in

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<v Speaker 2>your own garden. And that's really what gardening is all about. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the plants that we have discussed so far

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<v Speaker 2>as trigger plants. We've been talking about the changes that

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<v Speaker 2>they undergo due to a result of some sort of stress.

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<v Speaker 2>But today's plant on trial is a trigger plant that

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<v Speaker 2>what changes about it is something that actually makes the

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<v Speaker 2>plant more attractive when the trigger happens. I can see

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<v Speaker 2>Adriana's wheels are turning back there. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not explaining this well, but when I announced today's

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<v Speaker 2>plant on trial, in one second, it's going to dawn

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<v Speaker 2>right on her. Because today's plan on trial is pinky

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<v Speaker 2>winky hydrangea. Yes, she's nodding, so pinky winky, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>not familiar with it, is a panical hydrangea, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the earliest panicle high ranges that we introduced.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I have to like take you back in time

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<v Speaker 2>for a moment here Before Limelight came on the market

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen nineties, panicle hydranges like PG or tart

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<v Speaker 2>of A, they barely turned color, you know, they kind

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<v Speaker 2>of sort of took on like a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>pink at the end of the season, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>not a main feature. Since Limelight, there has been a

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<v Speaker 2>real trend over these last couple decades to select panicle

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<v Speaker 2>hydranges that start out white and then take on better

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<v Speaker 2>and better color. And I think you really see that

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<v Speaker 2>across the proven winners color choice hydrangees that are subsequent introductions.

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<v Speaker 2>For the most part, there's a couple exceptions have had

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<v Speaker 2>better and better color and just briefly so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>forget those couple of exceptions don't change color because some

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<v Speaker 2>people don't actually want the color to change. So that

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<v Speaker 2>would really be a puffer fish hydrangea and to a

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<v Speaker 2>lesser extent, Bobo, which does take on some pink, but

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<v Speaker 2>so some people don't like it. But most people when

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<v Speaker 2>they buy that panicle hydrangel, what they really want is

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<v Speaker 2>that pink color and pinky Winky was really I think

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<v Speaker 2>one of the very first panicle hydrangeas to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>make its main benefit or main feature this color. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about that trigger, because when you buy a

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<v Speaker 2>pinky Winky hydrangea, it's going to start to flower. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to have a big, huge, beautiful it's honestly one

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<v Speaker 2>of the biggest panicle hydrange of the flowers are enormous,

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<v Speaker 2>the stems are huge and thick like reebar. Beautiful plant.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a great choice for cut flowers unless you have

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<v Speaker 2>a massive vase. Ask me how I know. But so

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<v Speaker 2>they come out with these beautiful lace cap white flowers

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know, about mid summer, or sorry, about

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<v Speaker 2>mid August, what's going to start to happen is the

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<v Speaker 2>flowers are going to start to shade from the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>towards the top, from deep pink to light pink to

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<v Speaker 2>white at the top, and then gradually, as the season progresses,

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<v Speaker 2>it will go completely pink. Now, when this happens in

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<v Speaker 2>mid August, you're probably on your summer vacation, reading a

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<v Speaker 2>juicy book by the pool or on the beach, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, this is the high of summer. This is amazing. Well, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>from the plant's point of view, it's fall, yes, because

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<v Speaker 2>what has triggered this color change is the shorter nights

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<v Speaker 2>and cooler nights that happened by August. Now I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of get some context for this, and so

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<v Speaker 2>just to help you understand, and this is just just

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<v Speaker 2>using grand Haven, so it will be different in other areas.

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<v Speaker 2>But on the summer solstice in grand Haven we have

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<v Speaker 2>almost seventeen hours of day length. That's how long our

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<v Speaker 2>days are. So by our June twentieth or so, little

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<v Speaker 2>under seventeen hours. By the time mid August rolls around,

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<v Speaker 2>we are under fifteen hours, so it's about fourteen hours

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<v Speaker 2>and forty five minutes of day length. So by the

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<v Speaker 2>time mid August rolls around, you have a night that's

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<v Speaker 2>basically longer by ninety or so minutes. And that's what's

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<v Speaker 2>actually triggering that. So's those longer nights and the cooler temperatures.

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<v Speaker 2>Why the cooler temperatures because as I've said many times

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<v Speaker 2>on the show, plants synthesize their pigments at night, and

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<v Speaker 2>when it's cool, they can synthesize their pigments more effectively

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<v Speaker 2>and they get brighter. So this is triggered by long,

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<v Speaker 2>cool nights, not a problem for us here in Michigan. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>many of our friends in warm climates they grow panicle

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<v Speaker 2>hydrangees and they never turn color. They're just so disappointed,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, what gives. Well, a couple of issues here.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, because you live in a warmer climate,

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<v Speaker 2>your panicle hydrange is bloom much earlier than they do

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<v Speaker 2>for us here. For us, panicle hydrangees, the first ones,

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<v Speaker 2>which are the quick fire hydrangs, those will usually be

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<v Speaker 2>first blooming around fourth of July, but most of them

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<v Speaker 2>were looking more like mid to late July for that

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<v Speaker 2>initial bloom. You live in a warm climate, you're looking

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<v Speaker 2>at probably early to mid June. So now what that

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<v Speaker 2>means is that as those blooms are starting to age,

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<v Speaker 2>instead of that happening in August, where your day length

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<v Speaker 2>is now almost two hours shorter than before, it's happening

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<v Speaker 2>in July, during your hottest period of the entire year.

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<v Speaker 2>So your nights are still quite long, your nighttime temperatures

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<v Speaker 2>are still really high, very often in the South, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>typically in the seventies or higher. We're talking about places

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<v Speaker 2>that are too hot to even grow tomatoes, because tomatoes

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<v Speaker 2>can't really grow where nighttime temperatures are consistently in the

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<v Speaker 2>eighties and so you don't get that color. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is a trigger again that you can't control. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know this is sometimes confusing for people because of course hydrangees,

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<v Speaker 2>as we've talked about many times. You know, there's all

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<v Speaker 2>this confusion because they're all different. And some people say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>panicle hydrangees change color, must be the soil chemistry like

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<v Speaker 2>with big leaf hydranges, But no, it's entirely weather and

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<v Speaker 2>day length triggered. So unfortunately, nothing you can really do.

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<v Speaker 2>If you live in a hot climate, you either have

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<v Speaker 2>to resign yourself to not enjoying those beautiful pink colors,

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<v Speaker 2>or if you are an experimental gardener, you could play

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<v Speaker 2>around with pruning it. You could play around with pruning

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<v Speaker 2>it a little bit later in the spring. Don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to go too late. Of course it's too late for

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<v Speaker 2>this now, but you don't want to go too late,

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<v Speaker 2>and that will help to delay the bloom. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you're able to push that bloom further into July so

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<v Speaker 2>that you can kind of take advantage of that downswing

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<v Speaker 2>on the nighttime temperatures, you might be able to enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>that color.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a form of Chelsea chop.

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<v Speaker 2>It is kind of like a Chelsea chop.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And when they turn color like that here in

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<v Speaker 1>the North in August into September, I always get this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of melancholy feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you know, you know what it's triggering. Other people

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<v Speaker 2>are like, this is great at summer, and you're like, oh, shoot,

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<v Speaker 2>my hydraene hit turned pink fall is on the way.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like back to school time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, like moms at the garden center.

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<v Speaker 1>Mom's the word.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, it's a great trigger plant. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>case where the trigger works in our favor. And this

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<v Speaker 2>isn't true just of today's plan on trial Pinky Winky.

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<v Speaker 2>I picked Pinky Winky, like I said, because it really

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<v Speaker 2>was the first of all panicle hydranges in the current

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<v Speaker 2>era to really be sold for that color change. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's tons more Pinky Winky prime. The new version of

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<v Speaker 2>it has even better color, so you can find that

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<v Speaker 2>at your local garden center. We're talking about hardy down

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<v Speaker 2>to USDA Zone three heat tolerant through USDA Zone eight.

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<v Speaker 2>They can grow on zone nine, but definitely not getting

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<v Speaker 2>any color in USDA Zone nine, so bear that in

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<v Speaker 2>mind as you decide whether you're going to add Pinky

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<v Speaker 2>Winky or any of the Perfuminer's panicle hydranges to your garden.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna take a little break. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 2>we're opening up the mail bag, so please stay tuned

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<v Speaker 2>Color Choice dot com. Greetings gardening friends, and welcome back

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<v Speaker 2>to the Gardening Simplified Show, where I'm going to kick

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<v Speaker 2>off mailbag where we normally answer your questions, and we

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<v Speaker 2>will be answering some questions, but I'm going to kick

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<v Speaker 2>it off with a little bit of a rant.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>And the rant that I have on this episode is

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<v Speaker 2>about plant id apps. Now, I want to say, first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, I do not begrudge anybody who uses a

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<v Speaker 2>plant ID app anymore than a very serious burder would

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<v Speaker 2>be grudge me for using Merlin, And hopefully you don't

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<v Speaker 2>begrudge me because it is a game changer. And similarly,

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that people want to use these apps and

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<v Speaker 2>find out, you know, what the plant is. And they

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<v Speaker 2>have improved immensely. I remember when these things came out

418
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<v Speaker 2>and they were like a joke, you know. But obviously

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<v Speaker 2>with AI and as more and more data has come

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<v Speaker 2>onto the Internet for them to train these apps off of,

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<v Speaker 2>they have generally gotten better, but they are far from perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I would encourage you, if you are someone

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<v Speaker 2>who uses a plant ID app, to definitely take that

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<v Speaker 2>with a grain of salt. So I had a message

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<v Speaker 2>from a listener and she said that they had cleared

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<v Speaker 2>out a bunch of you know, old weeds and brush

427
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<v Speaker 2>and everything around their property. Stuff started to recover and

428
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<v Speaker 2>she didn't know what this one plant was and she

429
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<v Speaker 2>used her plant Idea app and it said it was

430
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<v Speaker 2>ground ivy, which is a weed. You know, it's a

431
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<v Speaker 2>kind of a bad obnoxious weed. Also called creeping Charlie,

432
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<v Speaker 2>and she said, but I looked that up after it

433
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<v Speaker 2>said that, and that just doesn't seem like what it is.

434
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<v Speaker 2>What is it? And it was a native scuttalaria, So

435
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<v Speaker 2>I mean not like a rare native plant or anything

436
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<v Speaker 2>like that, but like certainly a plant that is well

437
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<v Speaker 2>worth keeping. But you know, this plant id app probably

438
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<v Speaker 2>has identified obviously is a lot more likely to come

439
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<v Speaker 2>into contact with creeping Charlie than with scuttalarias. So it's

440
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<v Speaker 2>not really even I don't want to call it mindset,

441
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<v Speaker 2>but it's not even in its you know, database to access. Now,

442
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<v Speaker 2>there is another app, and I don't know if you

443
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<v Speaker 2>get ads for this on Facebook, but they do advertise

444
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<v Speaker 2>it to me on Facebook, and oh does it make

445
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<v Speaker 2>my blood boil? So it is a plant id app,

446
00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:47.920
<v Speaker 2>and it claims that if something is wrong with your plant,

447
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<v Speaker 2>it will tell you what's wrong with your plant. That's

448
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<v Speaker 2>all well and good. I mean again, you're gonna have

449
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<v Speaker 2>to take that with a grain of salt, because there

450
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<v Speaker 2>are just so many things. And also, as we've ascertained

451
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<v Speaker 2>on the show, you know, probably at least half the

452
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<v Speaker 2>time when someone has a plant problem, it's water related.

453
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<v Speaker 2>So you know, it has a pretty good shot at

454
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<v Speaker 2>being right if it's telling you that your problem is

455
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<v Speaker 2>related to the water that the plant is getting. But no, no,

456
00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:16.880
<v Speaker 2>this particular app takes it one step further and tells

457
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<v Speaker 2>you what you should do. And the solutions, as have

458
00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:24.680
<v Speaker 2>been advertised to me in this app have involved things

459
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<v Speaker 2>like adding sugar to the soil, sprinkle with cinnamon, right,

460
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<v Speaker 2>and so all they're trying to do is to I

461
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<v Speaker 2>don't know what they're trying to do. They're there. I mean,

462
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<v Speaker 2>it's ridiculous.

463
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<v Speaker 1>But think about it here a minute. So we live

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<v Speaker 1>in a world of AI.

465
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<v Speaker 2>Now, yeah, I'm afraid, so, yeah, I'm afraid.

466
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<v Speaker 1>So and if you ask, for example, I was looking

467
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<v Speaker 1>at a study. If you ask people like me baby bloomers,

468
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<v Speaker 1>they essentially think, nah, this stuff is never going to

469
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<v Speaker 1>take over, you know, care for the garden. It's always

470
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<v Speaker 1>going to be a people thing. Not everybody feels that way.

471
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<v Speaker 1>And of course, in the horticulture and agricultural industries, AI

472
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<v Speaker 1>has really taken a hold sensors for watering, machine vision

473
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<v Speaker 1>to identify problems, et cetera, et cetera. But that's on

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<v Speaker 1>a big scale. When are we going to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the point where for the general homeowner they're able to

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<v Speaker 1>use this AI technology or apps to truly determine whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not the plant needs to be watered or not,

478
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<v Speaker 1>or what the problem is. And I would agree with you,

479
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<v Speaker 1>we're not there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that the main thing is just like

481
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<v Speaker 2>there is no substitute for experience, and if you are

482
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<v Speaker 2>a gardener or on your journey to becoming a gardener,

483
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<v Speaker 2>you know you really don't just want everything to be

484
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<v Speaker 2>figured out for you. You have to learn it yourself.

485
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<v Speaker 2>And that's really I think a lot of what the

486
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<v Speaker 2>trigger plant thing is about, too, is like starting to

487
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<v Speaker 2>read that language and understand how to fix, how to

488
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<v Speaker 2>notice when things are going wrong, of the conditions that

489
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<v Speaker 2>influenced your plants, and and act on them accordingly. So

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<v Speaker 2>by all means, use them, learn from them, take them

491
00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:11.480
<v Speaker 2>with a grain of salt, and take especially their so

492
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:15.519
<v Speaker 2>called solutions to your plant problems with a grain of salt.

493
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<v Speaker 2>Even more so if you have to pay and they're

494
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<v Speaker 2>selling you something, well, and.

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<v Speaker 1>You're preaching to the choir. Because I'm a sixty five

496
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<v Speaker 1>year old man who has been in the garden industry

497
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:28.279
<v Speaker 1>for fifty years, I don't want to be replaced by

498
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<v Speaker 1>an app. I want I like that experience thing. Whatever

499
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:36.519
<v Speaker 1>you said, so that, well, you know what fall in

500
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<v Speaker 1>on that.

501
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.359
<v Speaker 2>An app is unlikely knock on wood to have your

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<v Speaker 2>sense of humor. So at least you've got that going

503
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:46.519
<v Speaker 2>sense of humous all right, So sorry about that. What

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<v Speaker 2>do we got in the mailbag?

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<v Speaker 1>James writes, Hi, I enjoy watching your show on YouTube

506
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.079
<v Speaker 1>every week, going back over the last couple of years

507
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:56.480
<v Speaker 1>of information, great gardening knowledge and fun. My question is

508
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<v Speaker 1>about a hosta that's been in the spot for ten

509
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:02.319
<v Speaker 1>years keeps getting bigger. I don't divide, it just keeps growing.

510
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<v Speaker 1>I'm watching with interest this year that a few of

511
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<v Speaker 1>the leaves are coming in with variegation. Haven't seen this before?

512
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<v Speaker 1>Is it possible to cross pollinate from other hostas that

513
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<v Speaker 1>are variegated in my garden? Or is it reverting to

514
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<v Speaker 1>something else?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? So interesting situation. What you are seeing there, James,

516
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:25.200
<v Speaker 2>is something called a sport and it is a offset

517
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.599
<v Speaker 2>or a branch. It happens in shrubs and trees as

518
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:32.279
<v Speaker 2>well of the plant that just takes on some different genes.

519
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:36.559
<v Speaker 2>This is just a genetic phenomenon. It has nothing to

520
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<v Speaker 2>do with cross pollination, because the only way that like

521
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<v Speaker 2>cross pollination could happen would be if it grows from seed. Now,

522
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<v Speaker 2>it is certainly possible for hostas to self sew. It

523
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<v Speaker 2>happens quite a lot at my in laws house where

524
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<v Speaker 2>they have a lot of hostas, and I see those

525
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<v Speaker 2>popping up like weeds everywhere. It's a wild thing to see.

526
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<v Speaker 2>But no, it's just the plant that you know, it's

527
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<v Speaker 2>jeans are jumping around. You can read more about it.

528
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<v Speaker 2>It's called transposons. This is also the cause of like

529
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<v Speaker 2>those corns that have all the different colors, those are

530
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<v Speaker 2>also caused by transposons. And it's also how we got

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00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:11.680
<v Speaker 2>variegated hostas in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, absolutely, and a.

533
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<v Speaker 2>Lot of varigated plants. I would say most irrigated plants

534
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:20.240
<v Speaker 2>do actually start as sports. So it's not reverting, it's

535
00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:23.279
<v Speaker 2>just doing something different there. And you can, if you wish,

536
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.319
<v Speaker 2>take out that little part that's variegated, you know, dig

537
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:29.880
<v Speaker 2>it out and grow it on its own. It will

538
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.799
<v Speaker 2>grow better if it's detached from the much more vigorous

539
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<v Speaker 2>all green version that you have.

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<v Speaker 1>Give it a really cool name, start marketing it, and

541
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<v Speaker 1>give us ten percent of the royal.

542
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<v Speaker 2>You never know what it'll turn into, but it's totally

543
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<v Speaker 2>normal and nothing to be concerned about.

544
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<v Speaker 1>And usually when you see that variegation, you're so right, Stacey,

545
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<v Speaker 1>it's not the pollination. Usually you're looking at a genetic mutation,

546
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<v Speaker 1>or a viral infection, or an environmental change, and nine

547
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<v Speaker 1>times out of ten, probably a genetic music. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Susan writes to us Hi, Rick and Stacy. I love

549
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<v Speaker 1>watching your show every Saturday morning. It's so much fun

550
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:07.680
<v Speaker 1>listening to the two of you, and on top of that,

551
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.839
<v Speaker 1>I learned so much. Well, thank you, Susan, appreciate that.

552
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<v Speaker 1>I was hoping you could tell me to do it

553
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<v Speaker 1>or don't do it. Live in Southern Ontario, Canada's on

554
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<v Speaker 1>six A. Last week, I had twenty six green gem

555
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<v Speaker 1>boxwoods planted, but I noticed the boxwood are quite pale

556
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:25.839
<v Speaker 1>compared to my neighbor's green gem as well as my

557
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:29.519
<v Speaker 1>green velvet in my yard. I wondered if some fertilizer

558
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:32.519
<v Speaker 1>might help. Do it or don't do it. I'd like

559
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<v Speaker 1>to trim a little a little, but was suggested I

560
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<v Speaker 1>wait a year. I'm dying to do it. Do it

561
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<v Speaker 1>or don't do it. I appreciate your advice.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So, a couple of things here. To answer your

563
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<v Speaker 2>first question about the pale foliage, I would not do

564
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<v Speaker 2>anything about it right now. You have to realize when

565
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<v Speaker 2>a plant has made the transition, because these are newly

566
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<v Speaker 2>planted from the garden center to your yard, it has

567
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<v Speaker 2>undergone a major change in the way that it was kept.

568
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<v Speaker 2>And boxwood are generally considered a shade crop in growers

569
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<v Speaker 2>and retailers, and it was probably under shade, and now

570
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:11.000
<v Speaker 2>it's out there in the great wild and it's getting sun.

571
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:15.440
<v Speaker 2>And the plants actually make different types of chlorophyll depending

572
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<v Speaker 2>on how much sun or shade they get, so it

573
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<v Speaker 2>probably has more of what would be known as the

574
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<v Speaker 2>shade type chlorophyll, and it's trying to adapt to what

575
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.960
<v Speaker 2>is now a much sunnier spot. And that's why your

576
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.000
<v Speaker 2>plants that are already established and growing in those conditions

577
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:34.240
<v Speaker 2>look perfectly lovely. This plant, meanwhile, needs some time to

578
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:38.400
<v Speaker 2>adapt to the conditions and the light levels that it's

579
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>actually growing in. And that's just part of a plant

580
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:41.680
<v Speaker 2>getting established.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's part of a plant getting established. And also

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<v Speaker 1>I would say that I have found with boxwood. They

583
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:49.480
<v Speaker 1>do like a well drained soil. They don't like to

584
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>sit in water. I'm not saying that that's the situation here,

585
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:55.759
<v Speaker 1>but you can get pale foliage if you're not getting

586
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.200
<v Speaker 1>good drainage. You're going to want to water them well

587
00:31:58.240 --> 00:31:59.839
<v Speaker 1>initially to get them established.

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<v Speaker 2>But you got to if you especially if you have

589
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>clay soil, you need to make sure that you know

590
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:05.440
<v Speaker 2>it's not staying too wet. They also do prefer it

591
00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:07.640
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more on the neutral to alkaline side.

592
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<v Speaker 2>But again, when something is new, as long as it's

593
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<v Speaker 2>not a water issue, I would definitely wait and see.

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<v Speaker 2>You can start fertilizing it next spring, just to help

595
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:18.359
<v Speaker 2>it get established more quickly. But I don't think fertilizer

596
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:20.319
<v Speaker 2>is likely to be the solution to what you're seeing

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00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>right now. Now. Ask for Susan's question about trimming, what

598
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<v Speaker 2>would you say.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, don't trim right now, give them a season.

600
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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to trim them just before winter and

601
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:34.559
<v Speaker 1>stimulate some new growth that's just going to die back anyhow,

602
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<v Speaker 1>So I just let them go for now, that's my opinion.

603
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<v Speaker 1>Trim them next.

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<v Speaker 2>Year, yeah, I would say, I understand you're dying to

605
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<v Speaker 2>do it, Susan, But I would also wait. I mean,

606
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<v Speaker 2>it's important to realize that when you trim something, you

607
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<v Speaker 2>expose a lot of stem surface that's going to be

608
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<v Speaker 2>giving off water vapor, and that can really kind of

609
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:53.920
<v Speaker 2>contribute to some stress. The plant's already putting all of

610
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<v Speaker 2>its energies into growing roots in its new home, so

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, the best thing to do for it

612
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<v Speaker 2>is to try to leave it alone. If there's a

613
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<v Speaker 2>couple of stems out there that are just really driving

614
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<v Speaker 2>you're crazy, you have my permission to cut those, but

615
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<v Speaker 2>I would not get the hedge clippers out, just some

616
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<v Speaker 2>selective pruting.

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<v Speaker 1>Love it, And we got a note from Mary try

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<v Speaker 1>and move that into a segment four us. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you this question.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, sounds good. We'll see if I'm triggered. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna take a little break and when we come back,

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<v Speaker 2>we will be hearing that question as well as continuing

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. It's time for

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<v Speaker 1>branching news. Before we talk further on trigger plants, Stacey

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to ask you a question. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about it this past weekend as I

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting on the the Volvo loader loading car and

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00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:09.679
<v Speaker 1>pickup truck and trailer after trailer with bark mulch. We

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<v Speaker 1>got a question from Mary asking about dyed mulch. Mary's

635
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:18.360
<v Speaker 1>always used natural triple shredded hardwood and some of that

636
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:22.599
<v Speaker 1>almost can be like dust, but she likes the look

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<v Speaker 1>of black mulch in the landscape and wanted to know

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<v Speaker 1>if there's any harm in it. Is it a good

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<v Speaker 1>idea to use black mulch? And you know, I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>again about hot weather. Do you think with black mulch

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<v Speaker 1>it puts a little extra stress on the plants or

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<v Speaker 1>do you think probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Not well, whether it stresses the plants, I couldn't say,

644
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<v Speaker 2>but it absolutely will increase the temperature around the plant.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no question about that, just because just because you

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<v Speaker 2>know black, just like if you go to the beach

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<v Speaker 2>and have a big old black beach towel that you're

648
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<v Speaker 2>laying on, you will be a lot warmer than if

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<v Speaker 2>you were laying out there on white you know or something.

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<v Speaker 2>And there you go. So it will absolutely raise the temperature.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can tell you as you know, I replaced

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<v Speaker 2>my lawn with mulch as we're kind of refiguring our

653
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<v Speaker 2>garden and I have lots of lots of beds. I

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<v Speaker 2>really only have mulch paths and then planting surrounded by mulch.

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<v Speaker 2>We actually took a laser thermometer out there and we

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<v Speaker 2>just have regular, regular bark mulch. It's not triple shredded,

657
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:28.280
<v Speaker 2>just kind of a coarse landscape bark mulch natural. And

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<v Speaker 2>the difference in temperature was about ten degrees warmer on

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<v Speaker 2>the mulch than on our concrete. So even regular mulch,

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00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's not till decomposing, it's it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>done mostly decomposing. But mulch, you know, can raise the temperature.

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<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, that black mulch will definitely you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in absorb more heat. Now for us here in Michigan,

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<v Speaker 2>probably not a huge deal. You'd want to be careful

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<v Speaker 2>around any very sensitive plants, of course, But you know

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<v Speaker 2>I would say I am I am a no on

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<v Speaker 2>dyed mulch in general, but could make an exception for

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<v Speaker 2>black mulch because I do get why people like the

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<v Speaker 2>look of it. Okay, you know it can look quite uh,

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<v Speaker 2>quite sophisticated, I suppose. But that said, mulch is not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily an aesthetic choice. It is a plant health choice.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you know, you got to get into a

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<v Speaker 2>situation where you're like, Okay, I'm just prioritizing what this

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<v Speaker 2>looks like to me, but you know, red dyed mulch

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<v Speaker 2>is an absolute no go. Any brown eyed mulch, like

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<v Speaker 2>what are you even doing? Mulch is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>brown and then kind of age to gray, and of course,

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<v Speaker 2>you know there's some environmental concerns. I think. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're putting all this dye onto the mulch and you're

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<v Speaker 2>working in it, and you know there's just no need

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<v Speaker 2>for all of that to leach into the ground. So

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<v Speaker 2>dyed mulch is a definite no for me. Red and

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<v Speaker 2>dyed brown mulch are verboten. Black mulch. I get why

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<v Speaker 2>you'd want to do it. I personally would not, but

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<v Speaker 2>I do understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always used natural hardwood mulch. Now it does bring

687
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<v Speaker 1>up a point, so hopefully that helps you marry, So

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00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:12.960
<v Speaker 1>you could do it, but I think it does bring

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<v Speaker 1>up the temperature a little bit. Yeah, trigger plants a trigger.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say a trigger fung guy in the landscape is

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<v Speaker 1>slime mold.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so much slime mold right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And as the weather gets hot and humid, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can stir it up and then it reshaved. You know,

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00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:36.159
<v Speaker 1>really cool stuff. Looks like a bottle of Frenches mustard

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<v Speaker 1>that a dog threw up in the in the bark mulch.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's an indication that maybe your mulch is hydrophobic

698
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.519
<v Speaker 1>and that you need to stir the mulch. So it's

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00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:48.199
<v Speaker 1>a good thing to look for and use that as

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<v Speaker 1>a trigger in the landscape.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I love about this? So, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a mulch. This is a mold also known as

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<v Speaker 2>the dog vomit fungus. Every year you hear questions about

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00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.159
<v Speaker 2>it because people are like, ah, what's going on. It

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<v Speaker 2>is actually a slime mold. It is just living off

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<v Speaker 2>the mulch. So when I see it in my mulch paths,

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00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:09.039
<v Speaker 2>which are just there is to basically keep down weeds

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<v Speaker 2>and conserve the soil. I don't worry about it too much.

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00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:14.639
<v Speaker 2>I just see that as the as the mult decomposing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I love about it? When it

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<v Speaker 2>starts to like burst open and you water it and

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<v Speaker 2>all that like water runs off, but then the spores

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<v Speaker 2>are coming out. Oh, I love that. I was just

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<v Speaker 2>doing a bunch of that last weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>It is fun. Set up some lawn chairs and watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, but not macrome.

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<v Speaker 1>Lunch on a macro may launchair. Leave that inside that's

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<v Speaker 1>a little warm. The I love drip tips on plants. Now,

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00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.960
<v Speaker 1>drip tips, that's another phrase of mind. But allocacias, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we both love the coffee cups allocation. But many tropical

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<v Speaker 1>plants will indicate to you when the weather is very,

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<v Speaker 1>very humid. Not that you need an indicator to know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Forgive me, I'm only humid. But these tropical plants. Look

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00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:04.400
<v Speaker 1>at them once, Alocacias, Ladium's, collocacia, they all naturally form

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<v Speaker 1>foliage that produces a drip tip. And my theory is

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<v Speaker 1>it's because they grow well in hot and humid.

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<v Speaker 2>Areas, and you know, it's just a way to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of funnel the water down towards the roots in an

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<v Speaker 2>area where there could be a very dense undergrowth and

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<v Speaker 2>they would be competing for it. So they're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this is mine. I'm funneling it right down to the roots.

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<v Speaker 2>Or baby, you got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Another trigger plant. My landscape never fails, always works. I

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<v Speaker 1>can walk into my back landscape. I'll walk right up

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<v Speaker 1>to the tractor seat ligularity.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, yeah, that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The minute we're starting to see some stress in the landscape,

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<v Speaker 1>that thing choose me out royal. So my tractor seat,

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<v Speaker 1>my tractor seat ligular area caliber coas. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>they're drama Queen's here's a plant that will talk to you, citrus.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a citrus plant like out on your deck,

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<v Speaker 1>the green veining, the chlorosis in the full citrus plants

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<v Speaker 1>talk to.

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<v Speaker 2>You yes, and mostly what it says is I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like it here and I'm dying.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to Florida. Menarda flocks they

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<v Speaker 1>have a strong pronounced mid rib, but they also wear

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<v Speaker 1>their emotions on their sleeves or on their leaves and

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<v Speaker 1>then you start to see things like powdery mildew.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's you know, that's an interesting one too, because

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00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.519
<v Speaker 2>I think Manarda is of course notorious for getting powdery mildew,

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<v Speaker 2>even though a lot of the newer cultivars, especially the

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<v Speaker 2>proven Winter's ones, are much more powdery mildew resistant than

755
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<v Speaker 2>the older ones. If your Manada is consistently getting powdery mildew,

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<v Speaker 2>that probably means it's pretty stressed. And so that would

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<v Speaker 2>be a trigger for you that like, hey, this is

758
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<v Speaker 2>not a great situation for this particular plant, and you

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<v Speaker 2>want to move it to someplace where you know it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't undergo water stress. Because that's what I find is

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<v Speaker 2>someone who does give my plants a lot of water stress,

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<v Speaker 2>not on purpose, just because you know, I'm not into

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<v Speaker 2>spending a bunch of money on watering my plants when

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00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.159
<v Speaker 2>I can just grow stuff that actually tolerates my yard.

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<v Speaker 2>I have found. Yeah, if they if they get too

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00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:09.280
<v Speaker 2>dry over and over again, they break out with powdery mildew.

767
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:11.199
<v Speaker 2>They're just like, I'm too stressed. The powdery mildew is

768
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:13.360
<v Speaker 2>taken over vegetable plants.

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00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Vegetable plant garden is a great place to look for

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00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:19.800
<v Speaker 1>trigger plants. Tomatoes, of course talk to you. The zippering

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00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:22.480
<v Speaker 1>of the fruit, the blossom en rot. Maybe it's a

772
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:26.360
<v Speaker 1>calcium deficiency. Maybe the problem is that it's drying out

773
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:30.480
<v Speaker 1>in between watering. But tomatoes will talk to you. Cucumbers

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00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:33.599
<v Speaker 1>squash any of the que curvets when it relates to

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00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:39.880
<v Speaker 1>humid weather and downy mildew, powdery mildew, that sort of thing.

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00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:43.480
<v Speaker 1>I suggest people take a look at their trees. Take

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00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:45.679
<v Speaker 1>a close look at your trees, and just don't ignore them.

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00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:47.559
<v Speaker 1>You'll look up into the canopy. I saw it this

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00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:52.400
<v Speaker 1>past week again, greening of the veins, but yellow foliage,

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00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:57.360
<v Speaker 1>or the foliage is thin at the top of the tree,

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00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:00.320
<v Speaker 1>or you look up into the canopy and you see

782
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:04.679
<v Speaker 1>that telltale sign of tar spot and you recognize that

783
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:07.800
<v Speaker 1>you need to increase the light and air movement through

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00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:12.639
<v Speaker 1>the canopy of that tree with some pruning and then stacey.

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00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Of course, when it comes to trigger plants, some of

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<v Speaker 1>the best trigger plants in the landscape are the actual

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<v Speaker 1>weeds themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, that's a good point. I didn't even think about that.

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00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, moss will indicate you have compacted soil. If the

790
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:29.159
<v Speaker 1>soil shape and shade. If the soil is way too wet,

791
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:33.679
<v Speaker 1>you're going to start to see horsetail, white clover. There's

792
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:37.480
<v Speaker 1>an indication that your mowing height isn't right. And in

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00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:41.320
<v Speaker 1>addition to that, there's a lack of nitrogen in the soil.

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00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Because it can because it can grow in a lack

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00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 2>of nitrogen, whereas other plants can't necessarily do that exactly.

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00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:48.639
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of people also just like to have

797
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:50.559
<v Speaker 2>clover in their lawn because it looks lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, So a lot of plants I look for, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of weeds which are often in indication that

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<v Speaker 1>there's something wrong with the soil. You look at plantain,

801
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:05.719
<v Speaker 1>and many times that's growing in nutrient deficient, heavy clay soils,

802
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:10.400
<v Speaker 1>a soil that needs to be air rated, black medic

803
00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:16.719
<v Speaker 1>spurge red soil all indicate very dry soil. So I

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00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:21.000
<v Speaker 1>would suggest that you learn more about these weeds and

805
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:24.880
<v Speaker 1>use weeds like I do to help you read the

806
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:27.440
<v Speaker 1>tea leaves, so to speak as to what's going on

807
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:28.000
<v Speaker 1>in your less.

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00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:29.280
<v Speaker 2>What does nuts edge mean?

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00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:34.159
<v Speaker 1>Nuts edge means very wet, well drained soil.

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00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:35.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh see, I don't know what soil at all, and

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00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:36.760
<v Speaker 2>I have tons of nutsage.

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00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do too, so it's got I.

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00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Don't think anyone can avoid that sage. It was a

814
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<v Speaker 2>trick question.

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00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's drainage. Though it does like a

816
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:46.280
<v Speaker 1>well drained soil.

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00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:50.039
<v Speaker 2>It definitely likes my yard and it gets no supplemental water,

818
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:52.480
<v Speaker 2>but it does not seem to stop it. The good

819
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:54.639
<v Speaker 2>thing is it's easy to pull and kind of satisfying

820
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:55.119
<v Speaker 2>to pull too.

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00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.519
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. I love it too. It's therapeutic. Well, thanks for

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00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:01.559
<v Speaker 1>reading the tea leaves with us this week. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>it was helpful and you're seeing some triggers in your landscape.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Stacey, thank you Rick, thank you Adriana, and thank

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<v Speaker 1>you to you for watching us on YouTube, listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the radio show version, and looking for us wherever you

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<v Speaker 1>get your favorite podcast. See us soon
