Speaker 1: With Megan from News Nation. She puts together the most
Speaker 1: interesting useful reports News Nation has. She should be on
Speaker 1: the air more and they should pay her more. Megan,
Speaker 1: what are you working on this week?
Speaker 2: I mean say it, louder Walter, but they should.
Speaker 1: Put her on more. They should put her on more.
Speaker 1: I'll put reverb on it later. They should put her
Speaker 1: on more, and they should pay her more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's what we're talking about. It's so good
Speaker 2: to be back with you. You know, we are working on
Speaker 2: a bunch of things. I just walked in the door
Speaker 2: from the studio. I did two interviews today. I did
Speaker 2: part two of our Scientology series. But it's a really
Speaker 2: interesting one that I'm going to bump up to the
Speaker 2: next episode to air. Was this crazy story about Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 2: Hugh Heffner, playmates, and the FBI. It's like that's the intersection,
Speaker 2: Like that's that's the trifactor right there. But apparently Playboy
Speaker 2: playing has come forward saying she told Hugh Hefner that
Speaker 2: efree Epstein had sexually assaulted her and then trafficked her
Speaker 2: back in two thousand and four, and then Hugh Hester
Speaker 2: called the FBI and she was like, I heard him
Speaker 2: on the phone with the FBI. He reported it, he
Speaker 2: did the right thing. They never followed up with me,
Speaker 2: They never said anything. The case was never opened, nothing
Speaker 2: ever happened. It went nowhere. So I talked today to
Speaker 2: a former FBI agent, former CIA agent, and I asked
Speaker 2: her to her face number one, what happened? Why would
Speaker 2: they not take that seriously someone as high profile as
Speaker 2: Hugh Hefner saying that Secondly, why would they take it
Speaker 2: seriously about Epstein? Because you know at that time they
Speaker 2: were already building a case against him. You know, they
Speaker 2: had a file on him. So if somebody at that
Speaker 2: high profile would complain and make that call, you would
Speaker 2: think they would follow up on it. So the big
Speaker 2: thing I asked her stracher her face, was is the
Speaker 2: FBI corrupt? And she said well, she said yes, But
Speaker 2: why she said yes? It is the interesting part. You know,
Speaker 2: we got into the different layers of one person could
Speaker 2: be and and you know, she asked, She's like, well,
Speaker 2: what do you mean by that? And I'm like, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean is Jeffrey Epstein. Was Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 2: paying someone within the FBI who was on his payroll?
Speaker 2: Did he have blackmail on somebody, What are the chances
Speaker 2: that this did get brought back straight to him and
Speaker 2: then he somehow made it go away. And we talked about,
Speaker 2: you know, yes, that's possible, and here's here's why. You know,
Speaker 2: not only was that his mL blackmail being his m
Speaker 2: but there's also you know, bad eggs in every organization
Speaker 2: and that then things can go other ways. And she
Speaker 2: was like, there's also a level to it of like
Speaker 2: maybe they didn't report or fall up on it because
Speaker 2: they felt like Epstein had the FBI being they thought
Speaker 2: Epstein was more value to them alive or not just
Speaker 2: alive but not in jail and not convicted because he
Speaker 2: had information possibly you know, international relations aspect of it,
Speaker 2: like hey, this country that you know, we're not too
Speaker 2: friendly with, he might find out before us who our
Speaker 2: next president will be, et cetera, et cetera. So, you know,
Speaker 2: we talk a lot about the victim, the accusations, the
Speaker 2: high profile of it, and the in are workings of
Speaker 2: the FBI and the CIA and where they really dropped
Speaker 2: the ball.
Speaker 1: Well, the long rumor is that the FBI and the
Speaker 1: CIA do not coordinate on anything, and that may have
Speaker 1: been the opportunity that may have been the opportunity that
Speaker 1: was lost. The thing that always strikes me about Epstein
Speaker 1: is this was the busiest man who ever lived. There
Speaker 1: were there are three million, three million emails, there's all
Speaker 1: of this coordination. Half a billion dollars was just handed
Speaker 1: to him by the guy who started the the limited.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: An extraordinarily busy guy without portfolio. Nobody on Wall Street
Speaker 1: says he did any transactions with any firm that anybody
Speaker 1: knows of. So all of this money came from G
Speaker 1: We're not sure it went to scoreless activities and G
Speaker 1: we're not sure about that. And anybody who got near
Speaker 1: him in the public eye has been fired and banished
Speaker 1: like instantly the minute they were connected. Therefore, there must
Speaker 1: be a root assumption that he was doing really bad stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he seems like the fall guy in a
Speaker 2: lot of sense. I mean, like you said, he was
Speaker 2: the busiest man ever. Well, there had to be a
Speaker 2: lot of other people doing the dirty work and just
Speaker 2: pushing him from ward as the face guy, and all
Speaker 2: that stuff might just still be going on. Seems likely.
Speaker 1: Ironically, there's always been a general belief that at route.
Speaker 1: Hugh Hefner was an honest businessman. You've never heard him
Speaker 1: about fraud, corruption, haven't. You may not have liked his business,
Speaker 1: but he was running a legal business. And the fact
Speaker 1: that he pa picked up the phone and called the FBI,
Speaker 1: well that tells you a lot about Hefner.
Speaker 2: YEP, I totally agree, and we talked a lot about
Speaker 2: that in the episode today because you know, had started
Speaker 2: it with I'm kind of what once here about this
Speaker 2: the story of Hugh Heffner, because before his death, I say,
Speaker 2: straight out, he was the man, right like he did
Speaker 2: that Legitimate business people wanted to be him. He had
Speaker 2: the man, and he had the girlfriends. He had all
Speaker 2: this stuff and it was it was legitimate and he
Speaker 2: was the man. So we all would he died, We're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, an icon has passed away. But since
Speaker 2: his past thing, all these allegations have come out from
Speaker 2: former girlfriend's ex ex wives about him not painting him
Speaker 2: in the best life, you know, saying that the mansion
Speaker 2: was really an abusive and controlled, the psychological, damaging place
Speaker 2: to be, and you know, the quailus and the filming
Speaker 2: and all this stuff has kind of come out. That's
Speaker 2: kind of paind in him in a bad light. So
Speaker 2: you know, we talked about that today about how do
Speaker 2: you reconcile these two different images of this man that
Speaker 2: that we're seeing, and you know, in reality, I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe it was just both. You know, maybe he knew, like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going to protect one of my playmates because she
Speaker 2: moved into the mansion I've accuser. In this scenario, she
Speaker 2: did move into the Playboy mansion of course security purposes.
Speaker 2: So she felt scared obviously, and she had her moved
Speaker 2: her in to make sure that she was safe. So
Speaker 2: you know, I think it was probably just both. But yeah,
Speaker 2: we talked about that a lot because there's a lot
Speaker 2: of weird parallels there.
Speaker 1: Did you learn anything about Part two of Scientology that
Speaker 1: has caused you to be concerned?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm always concerned. You know I've said
Speaker 2: I've sent to you before, and I didn't say in
Speaker 2: the episode today, I can't even believe I'm doing this
Speaker 2: series because I said that I never wanted to really
Speaker 2: get that with Scientology. But the guest who I talked to,
Speaker 2: I mean, he exposes them every single day. He's got
Speaker 2: a great sum stack, and he's written books and he's
Speaker 2: covering all the trials and stuff. But you know, we
Speaker 2: really talked about the inner workings of how Scientology beat
Speaker 2: the irs and how they called tax exemption status after
Speaker 2: it was revoked from them in the first place. And
Speaker 2: it really is like government espionage style tactics here that
Speaker 2: they use to you know, breach hundreds of US government offices,
Speaker 2: confiscate thousands of confidential documents to really get their tax
Speaker 2: exemption status back. So we really talked about the kind
Speaker 2: of the inner workings of the Scientology playbook of retaliation,
Speaker 2: and you know, we've really given to the celebrity aspect
Speaker 2: of it about, you know, why these celebrities are useful
Speaker 2: to them, and the Danny Masterson's case that seventies show
Speaker 2: actor who is behind bars for sexual being convicted of
Speaker 2: sexual assaults of multiple women and why they were having
Speaker 2: you know, Lisa Marie Presley talked to the victims about
Speaker 2: not coming forward, just kind of the weird sense or
Speaker 2: stuff that goes on behind the scenes that nobody in
Speaker 2: the media really talks about, because well, one you're intimidated
Speaker 2: by the retaliation of efforts by Scientology or too you
Speaker 2: just don't really think it's a story because it's past.
Speaker 2: But that's not true because Scientology is fighting today right
Speaker 2: now to get that text of Enter Danny Maxson out
Speaker 2: of jail. And they're also in court right now with
Speaker 2: Lea Ramini bashing her and shaming her. So there's a
Speaker 2: lot going on there that people might not think is
Speaker 2: timely or something to be talked about right now in
Speaker 2: the news. But there's a lot going on.
Speaker 1: When is this getting on the air.
Speaker 2: Next week? We'll do so Wednesday, whatever that date is,
Speaker 2: maybe the twenty sixth, you know, you know, all the
Speaker 2: calendar goes. Next Wednesday we will do the Playboy Ebscene
Speaker 2: Accusations episode with Hugh Hefner, and in the following week
Speaker 2: we will start the series on Scientology.
Speaker 1: Fantastic, good luck with those kids. I appreciate you being
Speaker 1: on the other side of Midnight