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<v Speaker 1>With Megan from News Nation. She puts together the most

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<v Speaker 1>interesting useful reports News Nation has. She should be on

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<v Speaker 1>the air more and they should pay her more. Megan,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you working on this week?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean say it, louder Walter, but they should.

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<v Speaker 1>Put her on more. They should put her on more.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll put reverb on it later. They should put her

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<v Speaker 1>on more, and they should pay her more.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's what we're talking about. It's so good

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<v Speaker 2>to be back with you. You know, we are working on

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of things. I just walked in the door

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<v Speaker 2>from the studio. I did two interviews today. I did

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<v Speaker 2>part two of our Scientology series. But it's a really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting one that I'm going to bump up to the

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<v Speaker 2>next episode to air. Was this crazy story about Jeffrey Epstein,

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<v Speaker 2>Hugh Heffner, playmates, and the FBI. It's like that's the intersection,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's that's the trifactor right there. But apparently Playboy

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<v Speaker 2>playing has come forward saying she told Hugh Hefner that

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<v Speaker 2>efree Epstein had sexually assaulted her and then trafficked her

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<v Speaker 2>back in two thousand and four, and then Hugh Hester

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<v Speaker 2>called the FBI and she was like, I heard him

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<v Speaker 2>on the phone with the FBI. He reported it, he

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<v Speaker 2>did the right thing. They never followed up with me,

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<v Speaker 2>They never said anything. The case was never opened, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>ever happened. It went nowhere. So I talked today to

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<v Speaker 2>a former FBI agent, former CIA agent, and I asked

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<v Speaker 2>her to her face number one, what happened? Why would

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<v Speaker 2>they not take that seriously someone as high profile as

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<v Speaker 2>Hugh Hefner saying that Secondly, why would they take it

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<v Speaker 2>seriously about Epstein? Because you know at that time they

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<v Speaker 2>were already building a case against him. You know, they

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<v Speaker 2>had a file on him. So if somebody at that

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<v Speaker 2>high profile would complain and make that call, you would

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<v Speaker 2>think they would follow up on it. So the big

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<v Speaker 2>thing I asked her stracher her face, was is the

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<v Speaker 2>FBI corrupt? And she said well, she said yes, But

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<v Speaker 2>why she said yes? It is the interesting part. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we got into the different layers of one person could

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<v Speaker 2>be and and you know, she asked, She's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean by that? And I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean is Jeffrey Epstein. Was Jeffrey Epstein

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<v Speaker 2>paying someone within the FBI who was on his payroll?

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<v Speaker 2>Did he have blackmail on somebody, What are the chances

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<v Speaker 2>that this did get brought back straight to him and

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<v Speaker 2>then he somehow made it go away. And we talked about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, yes, that's possible, and here's here's why. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>not only was that his mL blackmail being his m

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<v Speaker 2>but there's also you know, bad eggs in every organization

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<v Speaker 2>and that then things can go other ways. And she

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<v Speaker 2>was like, there's also a level to it of like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they didn't report or fall up on it because

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<v Speaker 2>they felt like Epstein had the FBI being they thought

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<v Speaker 2>Epstein was more value to them alive or not just

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<v Speaker 2>alive but not in jail and not convicted because he

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<v Speaker 2>had information possibly you know, international relations aspect of it,

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<v Speaker 2>like hey, this country that you know, we're not too

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<v Speaker 2>friendly with, he might find out before us who our

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<v Speaker 2>next president will be, et cetera, et cetera. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we talk a lot about the victim, the accusations, the

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<v Speaker 2>high profile of it, and the in are workings of

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI and the CIA and where they really dropped

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<v Speaker 2>the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the long rumor is that the FBI and the

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<v Speaker 1>CIA do not coordinate on anything, and that may have

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<v Speaker 1>been the opportunity that may have been the opportunity that

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<v Speaker 1>was lost. The thing that always strikes me about Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>is this was the busiest man who ever lived. There

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<v Speaker 1>were there are three million, three million emails, there's all

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<v Speaker 1>of this coordination. Half a billion dollars was just handed

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<v Speaker 1>to him by the guy who started the the limited.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what the hell?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>An extraordinarily busy guy without portfolio. Nobody on Wall Street

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<v Speaker 1>says he did any transactions with any firm that anybody

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<v Speaker 1>knows of. So all of this money came from G

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<v Speaker 1>We're not sure it went to scoreless activities and G

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<v Speaker 1>we're not sure about that. And anybody who got near

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<v Speaker 1>him in the public eye has been fired and banished

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<v Speaker 1>like instantly the minute they were connected. Therefore, there must

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<v Speaker 1>be a root assumption that he was doing really bad stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he seems like the fall guy in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of sense. I mean, like you said, he was

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<v Speaker 2>the busiest man ever. Well, there had to be a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of other people doing the dirty work and just

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<v Speaker 2>pushing him from ward as the face guy, and all

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff might just still be going on. Seems likely.

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<v Speaker 1>Ironically, there's always been a general belief that at route.

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<v Speaker 1>Hugh Hefner was an honest businessman. You've never heard him

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<v Speaker 1>about fraud, corruption, haven't. You may not have liked his business,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was running a legal business. And the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that he pa picked up the phone and called the FBI,

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<v Speaker 1>well that tells you a lot about Hefner.

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<v Speaker 2>YEP, I totally agree, and we talked a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>that in the episode today because you know, had started

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<v Speaker 2>it with I'm kind of what once here about this

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<v Speaker 2>the story of Hugh Heffner, because before his death, I say,

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<v Speaker 2>straight out, he was the man, right like he did

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<v Speaker 2>that Legitimate business people wanted to be him. He had

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<v Speaker 2>the man, and he had the girlfriends. He had all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff and it was it was legitimate and he

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<v Speaker 2>was the man. So we all would he died, We're like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, an icon has passed away. But since

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<v Speaker 2>his past thing, all these allegations have come out from

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<v Speaker 2>former girlfriend's ex ex wives about him not painting him

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<v Speaker 2>in the best life, you know, saying that the mansion

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<v Speaker 2>was really an abusive and controlled, the psychological, damaging place

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<v Speaker 2>to be, and you know, the quailus and the filming

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<v Speaker 2>and all this stuff has kind of come out. That's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of paind in him in a bad light. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we talked about that today about how do

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<v Speaker 2>you reconcile these two different images of this man that

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<v Speaker 2>that we're seeing, and you know, in reality, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it was just both. You know, maybe he knew, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to protect one of my playmates because she

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<v Speaker 2>moved into the mansion I've accuser. In this scenario, she

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<v Speaker 2>did move into the Playboy mansion of course security purposes.

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<v Speaker 2>So she felt scared obviously, and she had her moved

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<v Speaker 2>her in to make sure that she was safe. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think it was probably just both. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about that a lot because there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of weird parallels there.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you learn anything about Part two of Scientology that

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<v Speaker 1>has caused you to be concerned?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I'm always concerned. You know I've said

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<v Speaker 2>I've sent to you before, and I didn't say in

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<v Speaker 2>the episode today, I can't even believe I'm doing this

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<v Speaker 2>series because I said that I never wanted to really

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<v Speaker 2>get that with Scientology. But the guest who I talked to,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he exposes them every single day. He's got

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<v Speaker 2>a great sum stack, and he's written books and he's

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<v Speaker 2>covering all the trials and stuff. But you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>really talked about the inner workings of how Scientology beat

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<v Speaker 2>the irs and how they called tax exemption status after

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<v Speaker 2>it was revoked from them in the first place. And

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<v Speaker 2>it really is like government espionage style tactics here that

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<v Speaker 2>they use to you know, breach hundreds of US government offices,

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<v Speaker 2>confiscate thousands of confidential documents to really get their tax

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<v Speaker 2>exemption status back. So we really talked about the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the inner workings of the Scientology playbook of retaliation,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, we've really given to the celebrity aspect

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<v Speaker 2>of it about, you know, why these celebrities are useful

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<v Speaker 2>to them, and the Danny Masterson's case that seventies show

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<v Speaker 2>actor who is behind bars for sexual being convicted of

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<v Speaker 2>sexual assaults of multiple women and why they were having

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Lisa Marie Presley talked to the victims about

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<v Speaker 2>not coming forward, just kind of the weird sense or

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that goes on behind the scenes that nobody in

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<v Speaker 2>the media really talks about, because well, one you're intimidated

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<v Speaker 2>by the retaliation of efforts by Scientology or too you

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<v Speaker 2>just don't really think it's a story because it's past.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not true because Scientology is fighting today right

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<v Speaker 2>now to get that text of Enter Danny Maxson out

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<v Speaker 2>of jail. And they're also in court right now with

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<v Speaker 2>Lea Ramini bashing her and shaming her. So there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot going on there that people might not think is

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<v Speaker 2>timely or something to be talked about right now in

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<v Speaker 2>the news. But there's a lot going on.

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<v Speaker 1>When is this getting on the air.

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<v Speaker 2>Next week? We'll do so Wednesday, whatever that date is,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the twenty sixth, you know, you know, all the

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<v Speaker 2>calendar goes. Next Wednesday we will do the Playboy Ebscene

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<v Speaker 2>Accusations episode with Hugh Hefner, and in the following week

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<v Speaker 2>we will start the series on Scientology.

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<v Speaker 1>Fantastic, good luck with those kids. I appreciate you being

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of Midnight