Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pete Kenyonish
I'm just kidding. Welcome back to Pony Express Radio. Our
fearless leader, Red Hawk is out killing animals in Africa,
so we are having myself the vice president host of
Pony Express Radio, as we have done in the past
when he is unable to do so. So thank you
all for tuning in. I want to welcome all of
this lovely guest panel that we have. First and foremost,
we have mister Pete Kinyono's how are you, sir?
Speaker 2: Doing well? Doing well? Good evening, excellent joining us.
Speaker 1: We also have mister Elthemplar. How are you sir?
Speaker 3: Oh, you said it the right way like Red Hawk?
How you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm very well, I'm very well. You know you're cringey
to me. So and then last but not least making
a very special guest appearance is mister Dave the Distributors.
How are you doing this seting?
Speaker 4: Hey, well, glad to be here for once. Usually I
can't make it, but I'm really happy to put an
appearance in.
Speaker 1: Well, we're very grateful that you had to put an
appearance in, but you know, it's it's been an excellent
couple of weeks since the conclusion of the Old Glory
Club conference in twenty twenty five. It was it was
an excellent conference. I was very happy to be there.
I think I think actually all four of us were there,
and I hope all of you, gentlemen enjoyed it as
much as I did.
Speaker 2: We all were.
Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent, excellent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It wasn't just partying and smoking. It
was real discussions about real futures.
Speaker 1: Indeed, and I highly recommend all of you if you
have the time to go watch the recap that we
did on the Old Glory Club YouTube channel. It was
an excellent recap, and I think the conference was great
made we made waves like it does every single year.
But onto onto business, right. It was a bit of
a slower news week this week, but there were a
couple of things that did occur, and I want to
bring us into the first story of this evening, which
is earlier this week. Marco Rubio instructed the Department of
State to cease all interviews, not not just for Harvard University,
but for all universities, to cease all interviews for student visas.
I personally think this is a wonderful Development. I got
what I voted for again award. This is just one
of those little it's not so little of a thing,
because these universities are almost entirely funded, at least especially
the bigger ones. They're almost entirely funded by the money
that they get from foreign students and particularly from the
foreign governments that send those foreign students. But, gentlemen, what
do you this? This is kind of the latest in
the in the university wars that Trump has had with
Harvard and with other institutions. But do you, gentlemen, have
any any particular thoughts on either the visa ban or
the wider university wars.
Speaker 4: Well, this is a retaliation for was this? I don't
know this fact. Was this in retaliation for their refusal
to and preferential hiring and various departments.
Speaker 1: I believe so, Actually I could go ahead.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Being an Ivy League kid myself, I believe it was
that the institutions of these schools are extremely resistant to
any cutting off of the cash cow for foreign monies.
I remember, both in my undergrad and graduates, there were
just these years when you would hear about a deal
made with like a so called sister school. We had
a program with where they were going to like fund
visas or something, and what that really meant is that
they were getting like new buildings from foreign investors, and
you would just have thirty percent of that year be
from that country, a thirty percent of the class of
that year. It was it was insane the amount of
imported people, and they would just not their grades would
not matter because they're the children and friends of like
their their special donor class. It was a complete mess.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's it's obvious that there's been kind
of a foreign takeover of the university system. I'm just
kind of wondering what brought us on. I figured it
had something to do with his ongoing conflict with the
quote unquote dei policies at the university, but now that's
always it's hard to tell with these things. I guess.
Speaker 2: If another excuse that they're using is is that the
foreign students are ones that are participated in the anti
Semitic protests on campus.
Speaker 4: Well, we have to draw by in somewhere, Pete. I mean,
you know, we can't. We can't just have people say
anything on campus. This is getting out of hand.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, just looking at the picture here. I'm
sure that everyone at Harvard and everyone around the country
is happy that the Thay Lady Boys are out there,
you know, protesting so that international students can come to Harvard.
Speaker 1: Now this is this has been I don't know when
this particularly started, this trend of universities being mostly I
know universities have always had a cosmopolitan bent to them,
and I don't think anyone is against the concept of
like exchange students or you know, international students in principle,
particularly if you're a global empire, you know you're going
to bring in your clients to go to your universities.
This is something I've actually noticed when I studied the
history of Texas A and M. When I studied the
history of Texas A and M, I saw that a
couple of Central American presidents, I think one of the Olivian,
then one of the Columbia I want to say, or
Ecuador some went to that university. So this is this
is typical for an empire to do. Is soft power.
You educate the elite of your client states, within your
within your country, and the United States has a long
history of doing this, particularly in Latin America. But I
don't know when the trend of the majority of the
student bodies being international students. I don't know when this started,
Maybe the nineteen seventies, maybe the nineteen eighties, But now
it's gotten to the point that, yes, these universities derive
a significant amount of their funding from these functionally guaranteed
foreign admissions, and I don't know, it's one of the
this this kind of this kind of reflects on the
degradation of academia generally. You know, it's almost trite to
say that you go to college, you don't actually get
an education, and almost everyone, oh, go ahead, pete.
Speaker 2: Well, according to groc In two, the year twenty three
to twenty four, the academic year twenty three twenty four,
approximately two hundred and seventy seven three hundred and ninety
eight Chinese nationals were enrolled in American universities. So they
have an army in here. Does anybody else find that
to be insane?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they never stay the total number of students in
that specific year. But I'm curious what percentage of total
students in the school that is, because that sounds excessively high.
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean Canada, there is entire colleges that
are just dominated by students from India, and a lot
of these colleges are just fake, like their course their
coursework is minimum. You can do it basically since COVID,
you've been able to do it almost entirely online, and
they're able to get an indefinite number of the Canadian
equivalent of h one bbs is to come over from
this content.
Speaker 3: Just to give a sense of scale, I'm running memories now.
When I was at Columbia, I was one of maybe
five American students out of a class of maybe like
one hundred and fifty of my program. Everyone else was foreign.
That's the percentages I remember, And that was like over
a decade ago. I can't imagine how bad is not
that they just have like the token single American and
the graduate program.
Speaker 2: I mean, when we found out that in the DC courts,
like thirty to forty percent of the judges were born
in other countries. I mean, this just basically is it's
the way things are now. It's we don't heritage Americans
and even people have been here for you know, a
couple a few generations there just don't matter anymore. They're
bringing in people they figured out this system where they
bring in people from elsewhere. The colleges will do it
to make money, but because they can charge them top dollar.
When I lived in Auburn, I lived in a and
this is two years ago. When I lived in Auburn, Alabama,
where is where Auburn University is, all of my I
would say eighty percent of my neighbors on my street
were Chinese. I mean, it's it's just the way it
is now, and it's there's a lot to worry about there.
You know, we have reports that when they fly back,
they come for their first semester, when they fly back
there immediately debriefed, told that you know, the next semester
that they go back, that they're working for them. So
you know, we have two potentially you know, a quarter
of a million spies for China in the country. And then
we have people like this Korean judge that I mean
literally looked like a Jerry Lewis character from the fifties.
It was probably one of the most I hate using
this term, but it was like, literally one of the
most racist things I've ever seen. This judge just looked
like a caricature from like a fifties TV show. And
this guy was born in South Korea and he's basically
making policy and selling the president that he he's selling
the president, and I states he can't do something, he
can't be an article to executive.
Speaker 3: If I'm if my memory is correct, a lot of
these jurisdictions that they're they're drawn up by Congress? Am
I incorrect in that?
Speaker 2: Does anybody have that information?
Speaker 3: I don't have it, so because I know at least
that you know. The Supreme Court famously, like the Congress
sets the number, well, the president sets the number of
the Congress approves it, so it theorectly. The president could
always expand or even contract the court by failing to
appoint someone. But I think federal judges, their jurisdictions might
be set by either congressill Senate. I don't see what.
Speaker 1: Oh I remember, they're set by the Congress Circuit Court Act.
Speaker 3: Why Trump has Congress and the Senate? When is he
going to just tell them? Look, if you want my
endorsement for the midterms, you've got to delete this jurisdiction
and merge it with someone who's loyal to me, like
play hard, play hard games.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's the thing, you know, the one.
We love what Trump is doing, and we particularly love
the fact that he does something as radical as a
blanket ban on all student visa interviews, which I'm sure
they may or may not lift quietly two weeks from now,
or they may you know already.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think they already have. But you know, I
think everyone is saying the same thing. And I know
this is a segment about universities, but you know, as always,
the courts touch all of it. Although on that this
piece of news came out today is that they have
ended the American Bar Association's influence on judiciary selections. The
ABA no longer has any say in any special say
and and who is picked for any sort of legislative
or any sort of judicial deployment go ahead.
Speaker 2: Was that a law or was that put through by
the legislature? Was that an executive order?
Speaker 1: That was a letter from the ag Basically, the I
think the age.
Speaker 2: Has okay, so it can be it can be overturned
by the next president. When you have when you have
the House and you have the Senate, Why the fuck
are they not drawing up law after law after fucking
law after fucking law and passing it to the president
and basically making it to the left can never get
in power again. Why the why is everything being done
by an executive order that can be overturned by the
next president And it's obviously and obviously can be be
ignored because the courts tell them to.
Speaker 3: That's my concern where where it's coming. Trump's using executive
authority in a way that's that's sloppy and I want
to be more organized. But they they've been saying that
the bill of the quote unquote beautiful bill is it's
going to attempt to legitimize a lot of what Trump's
been executive ordering. But still it's it's a it's kind
of like a half like a half assed effort where
you know, you just have to like have a bill
ready to go when you write those executive orders and
have Congress going and then start berating them. Like Trump
has a significant popular base, he should whip them to shape,
to call their representatives. That's like the this is like
the the formal way of doing it. Like we're still
in formal times where we have to follow these formal procedures,
but the courts are overstretching their boundaries and it's it's
time for him to start telling Congress you need to
just delete these jurisdictions that are overstepping there. They've run
their course.
Speaker 1: Well. I was discussing this with a fellow member of
the club Spader earlier today, and this is something I
told him into something I'll say again. You know I
always have you know, with leadership, I always think it's
better to trust the leadership, especially if you know that
they're your leadership. It's also always better to give them
the benefit of the doubt, in the sense that perhaps
they are dealing with information that we do not know about,
or they have models that are predicting projecting something that
we don't know about. Maybe Trump hasn't acted.
Speaker 2: I don't like.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that the idea hasn't occurred to him.
He surrounds himself with Andrew Jackson and all these other things.
I can't imagine that this hasn't been something he's considered,
or he hasn't had advisors tell him about this, or
he hasn't seen a tweet or something like that. I
can't imagine. I think that there's something there's trying to
keep a veneer of normalcy of some sort that maybe
they don't want to cross the rubicon yet.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is the fundamental question of real politics
is who's worthy of trust. There's just no way that
average people, or even people who are relatively knowledgeable about
politics and who represent a community can account for all
the pieces of information that go into complex decision making.
So the thing that we need to determine is do
we trust the given decision makers? And who among our
current decision makers can we trust the most? And you
know this is this is something that I see this
question coming up again and again and again, regardless of
what the context is. I mean, you also that Jordan
Peterson klepboorgi is gets completely destroyed by these seventeen year
old atheists that apparently haven't experienced puberty yet. And it's,
you know, it's the way he lost was he just was.
He was wishy washy, and he never stood up and
said that he believed in the thing right, So I
mean he was he was. He came off as completely unrelied,
and that was sort of the more fundamental question. The
more fundamental question is can we trust you as a leader?
And Noah looks at Jordan Peterson and says, yeah, I
can trust that, or I should be able to trust that.
He just looks like a complete mess.
Speaker 1: And they wouldn't necessarily say the same about Trump because
you know, at least as a man and at least
as as as a personality, you can trust that at
least he is he thinks he's in charge, and he's
trying to be in charge. At least that's my judgment.
I'm sure some of you may disagree. You know, I've
made this point, I think the last time I hosted.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is the judgment people are making. People people
want Trump because they feel that they can trust Trump
to be oppositional to the establishment United States government. You know,
and we could argue, you know, can you ever really
trust anyone? You don't deeply know that's a hard thing
to say, but you know, that is the decision that
the American people have made, and it is, in my opinion,
it is sort of like the with limited information, it
appears to be the correct decision of all the decisions
they have available to them.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, and I mean, you know, I know this
is a segment about universities that we spun into talking
about the courts and the UH and the seeming inability
or unwillingness for the Trump administ administration to functionally declare
what amounts to a state of exception. And that's the
thing is. It's like, you know, trust the Plan is
a meme. Trust the Plan is is something that we
at the Old Glory Club have have stated before that
I personally have stated before. But the thing is is
like even even even our patients has limits. And it
gets the point where does it how many people in
Trump's administration know what time it is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And as I've said a few times I've been
on here, like I have to keep repeating it, there's
gonna be ten million fewer boomers in four years. If
you're not deporting two and a half million a year,
you are losing the country per per person. You don't vote,
don't deport that. It has to get done. We're halfway
through this year and we're only at like one hundred
and fifty thousand deportations. That's less than ten percent of
what needs to be done. It needs to buy a
power of ten accelery. Now, maybe when this big beautiful
bill passes, they'll have the money and manpower to kick
that up. But like we're talking about a power of
ten increase of what they've been doing so far. And
I don't know, doubling the amount of money you throw
at an agency that doesn't seem like they'll get me
a power of ten response. I've never known that to happen.
In all my life of watching government funding go up
and up, it seems like the efficiency goes down and
down the more you pund it. So I'm hoping Trump
knows what he's doing in this because like, you got
to deport like two million people in six months at
this point, how are you gonna do it?
Speaker 1: But this is this is why I appeal to the
fact that leadership always has access to information that just
about everyone else or a very small number doesn't have
access to, and they may very well have models that
show them how flawed the what is it, how how
not flawed, how fragile the global system is, and how
fragile the country is, and how much a a executive
choice a state of exception may cause some kind of
how should I say, crisis that no one wants, I
mean except for us. But you know, once once that,
like I say, once that Rubicon is crossed, there's no
going back. And I think this administration wants to keep
as much of a semblance of normalcy as possible, and
hence that's why they're you know, they're trying to be
as restrained as possible with these universities, despite the fact
that these universities are populated by some of the most
disgusting Cretnius and and frankly backwards quote unquote experts that
you know, the world has to offer, one of whom
our very own Dave the Distributors debated recently.
Speaker 4: Well, it's odd because you're talking about the Nathan Kaufnists discussion.
Nathan Kaffnus supposedly is a right winger. He's known for
trying to mainstream the HBD thing for the the I
don't know he's been doing it for like two years.
He was. He came to my attention because he wrote
an article criticizing Heterodox Academy. But then, you know what's
so funny is he realized the Heterodox Academy was useless
because they essentially dis dissented on free speech and then
they gave power back to the experts in every other issue.
So then you know, this year he writes an article
about how there needed to be more of a deference
to experts, which you know, like he said, Okay, they
lied about COVID, they lied about the you know, Joe
Biden's health, they lied about any number of things, transgenderism,
the lab leak theory, and even admits that they've been
lying about global warming in in certain key ways. And
then his thesis is, no, but we need to listen
to the experts on tariffs because like there's a consensus,
and also on Israel, because there's a consensus. I don't
you know, And and I guess the problem with the
hump of coughnesces his he does in the article. What
kind of caused me to do a double take when
I read it is is he has this line because
the experts got it right all the time. They just lied,
So he doesn't. And I continuously kind of grilled him
on this. He didn't seem to understand the difference between
a an error, like a random error like I'm stupid
or I'm drunk or I just made a mistake, and
an intentional lie. And I don't know, I mean, this
is kind of an interesting philosophical problem, like it go over.
I I can see you have my graph up here,
but The funny thing is just how however was I
kind of was expecting him to kind of concede this
point and move on, but he just wouldn't let go
of it. He seems so invested, and it was almost
kind of like a Sam Harris moment. It's like, Okay,
we could admit that the experts were wrong, and we
can admit the experts were lying, but now we have
to go back and trust the experts even harder until
we prove that they're lying again. I you know, I
don't know. I mean, I guess this is just what
you should expect from the Academy these days. But Dave Man, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Dave, didn't he just really make the point that I mean,
I tuned that after forty five minutes. Man, I'm sorry
I couldn't make it. But didn't he try to make
the point that being wrong, that lying wasn't as bad
as being wrong?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, he said he Well, he said that it
depends whether lying is worse than being wrong depends on
the context. And I think what he I'm going to
steal a man him here. I think what he what
he's thinking of is we're going to look at the
information after it happens, and then evaluate each untruth utilitarianly
based on how much it cost us as a society.
But that's not what you're doing. When you're interpreting facts
as they come from a truth teller. You're not evaluating
the facts. You're evaluating the actor or the fact system
and saying how much can I trust this fact system.
That's why all of the journals that you know, every
journal that I publish in, every journal that He's published in,
if you publish a mistake, they'll be very understanding. You know,
some more than others. Obviously, if you publish an intentional hoax,
you will never publish in that journal again, and probably
won't publish in many others in that field. But I
guess we just we unlearned this when it comes to
things like Israel. We unlearned this when it comes to
things like terriffs. And what's so funny is that I'm actually,
you know, just as a personal matter, I am highly
skeptical of terroriffs. I do think that NAFTA kind of
got us into this situation, but it does not necessarily
stand a reason that undoing NAFTA will get us out
of it. Like things aren't symmetrical that way economics right,
and you could end up hurting the system more with
terrorifts than not. But but you know that's not the point.
The point is is that there's a refusal to even
engage in an analysis of the economic state of being,
and all you get is just appeals to expert consensus
against all data.
Speaker 3: You're reminding me of something that I've I've been trying
to hunt this down. It's an article from I think
twenty eighteen, right before COVID came. It was explaining it
institutional trust collapse under Trump and before And a little
detail in this article which I wish I could find
was that it was outlining what institutions are still trusted,
and it was a political article, and they were saying
Democrats should focus on these still trusted institutions if they
hoped to nourish voters in the next election.
Speaker 5: And it outlined above on the top medical professionals at
that time in twenty eighteen, they were the most trusted institution.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I trusted them too. I thought that that was
part of the academy that they hadn't been interrupted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And reflecting on what I can remember from this article,
it was almost lining them up as like, listen, guys,
we know everyone. Anyone you pick, you're gonna shit to
the bed in. So just do it one at a time,
don't do it all at once, and like you might
be able to extend your power for a few extra years.
Speaker 4: But now that we've established that we can't trust the
doctors anymore, at least we have our experts on Israel,
Like that's that's that's the one honest institution. That's one
that's the one area of research and the modern academy
that we can trust is the expert consensus on Israel.
Speaker 3: I mean, it seems like every two years they pick
whatever is the most trusted institution to build the party
platform on, and when they burn that down, they move
on to the next like a parasite. And you do
you can only do so many times before there's no
trusted institutions left.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this is the problem that they're just
going to whatever they can kind of use to to
get credibility for the next round. So it's just a
continuous uh, hopping off the lily pads onto the next one.
You know, you might have a clip lined up, but
I assume this is the one. Well you know, I
don't know if people are going to play it, but
you know this this they're not They're not going to
be trust in institutions if they continuously lie. And that's
what Nathan Coffines doesn't understand. People will not trust lying
systems unless those systems are purged and punished. And there
is a demarcation that the past was that there was
a mistake made, there's a reckoning. You can't just go like, oh,
we're really, really, really smart, so trust us again, like
once we've established that. I mean, I got to say
this on the show, but like the New York Times
has essentially emitted the lab leak theory at the stage,
Like they've admitted it's over, and they've also admitted that
there was a cover up. And I mean it's very
obvious in New York Times is part of that they
obviously blame the scientists. That that means that essentially our
institutional scientific establishment has murdered millions more people than the
establishment of the USSR responsible for Chernobyl. Like is there
any reckoning about this? Like, you know there was a
reckoning in Chernobyl, Like people were put on trial very publicly.
Uh So what happened.
Speaker 3: Well in many ways, that's why we're we're not going
down the peaceful breakup of the Soviet Union model. We're
going down the burning down in flames like late French
republic model. It's it's very like like this, this need
to grasp onto this thing that has lost trust because
you don't know any other framework of viewing reality. It's
it's it's probably gonna take their party down with them,
which is great, but it also means that if if
you can like go deeper in and convince the voter
no institution is trustworthy that this this there's a phrase
for cannibalization maybe of institutions to get political capital. The
model collapses.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's like how you know petroleum generates electricity?
Is you know, you shatter the bonds in in the
kind itself which releases energy which powers whatever system. This
is an extreme oversimplification. I'm not a chemist, but it's
the exact same thing. It's the exact same principles.
Speaker 4: It's like high energy state to a low energy state.
Speaker 3: Exactly exact catabalism. The phrase is cannibalism, it's catabalism. The
A T A B O L I.
Speaker 4: As in catabolic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, catabolic catabolic degeneracy.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's it's you know, and it's it's a
powerful system. But the problem is is it feeds on itself,
you know, and it's reaching its absolute you know, the
absolute limit that it can reach without it the DEI,
the trans stuff. We've got a couple of other stories
that's going to touch on this. I don't want to
get to too much in depth, but but it's the
high water mark and they've already started going the other way.
They have nothing left to burn. What what institution of
the government still has credibility and trust.
Speaker 2: In a in an administrative state, everything becomes administrative, the academy,
the churches, everything, It's that's just where we're at at
this point, and they they need someone like Coughness needs
to defend his position. He's already somebody who has stepped
out on the limb with HBB, which I mean, I
don't think that's so much stepping out on a limb anymore.
I think he decided to do something at a time
when you know, when the they were going to have
to take anyway. Yeah, yeah, the danger was going down.
So he it's almost like a limited hangout if you know,
if you know, the limited hangout kind of you could
see them.
Speaker 4: Doing with this lap Lake theory too, Like in twenty
twenty two, they like they tested the water through it
and they withdrew.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sorry, go ahead, No, no, no, you're no.
It's a perfect it's a perfect example when it's okay
to be edgy boy, when it's when something's already on
the way out. But by pointing out that if you
if the academy is now just one big lie, and
that people share in the lie and people glom onto
the lie, you know, it's my whole thing of academics
getting kicked out of losing their jobs for plagiarism. So
how can you plagiarize when you all have the same opinion?
I mean that's literally impossible. So it's basically it's white
blood cells. Now it's just protect, protect, protect, protect, And
if you're calling them all a liar, you're putting his
job is on the line.
Speaker 4: His Yeah, good, No, I mean I'm laughing, Pete, because
that's exactly what I said to Chris Ruffo. I said,
like going after Claudine Gay or whatever for plagiarism. These
people all like they have no original ideas. The only
thing she didn't do is put it in her own words.
But it's been all the same my ideas in those
departments for the last twenty years. Everything is plagiarism. Right,
you're just you're not even shown that she's dishonest. You're
just shown that she is lazy. Right, she couldn't she
couldn't put her work into a word processor and retype it.
Speaker 2: She's part of the hive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's just part of the hive.
Speaker 2: That's it. And and she got punished for it because, well,
anti Summitism was rearing its ugly head on campus, and
she had been taught that you let these people, these kids,
they part of their college experience is protesting. Well, they
just picked the wrong they picked the wrong subject.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And well it's interesting because this is last year
there was this explosion of people like what they call
themselves the elite human capital people. I called them the
new seculor right, these people who are kind of like,
we're going to ape leftist affectations and academic credentials, but
also be on the right wing. I think that this
whole system of people is in the process of collapsing.
I do not think that they have anything to say
after Trump one a second time, and I think they're
grasping for straws. They're going to go back to being
like the new Atheists. But you know, unlike Sam Harris,
they're not personally well established enough to kind of coast
on their brand name.
Speaker 1: No, I agree with you. I believe the Left is
in complete and total retreat. They've been broken. They brought
in too many client groups, and their client groups are
two opposed to each other, and there's no immediately forthcoming
political formula. And Newsom is kind of gearing up in
his little fiefdom of California to make a sort of
last stand in twenty twenty eight. I think that's what
he's He's trying to sort of reinvent the Bill Clinton
political formula. I don't think it's going to work. I
compared him to James the Second at the Boy to
one of my friends. But the thing is with it
is that, yes, this is a collapsing system. But as
Christopher Sambatch likes to say, the Democratic Party is the
historical party of power in the United States. And if
the Democratic Party and its edifices go away, they're you
know that nothing will come to fill that void. Yes,
they're collapsing, but who's going to fill that void? The Republicans? Yeah,
an enter And that's where political crisis occurs, when there's
a breakdown of political authority, which is one of the
most dangerous kind of civilizational crises you can go down.
It's more dangerous than a famine. It's more dangerous than
a drought. Is a breakdown of political authority, because that's
where you get not only civil wars, but you know,
something somewhat worse than civil war, something like the Thirty
Years War, where it's just a total free for all
within a geographically limited area. But anyway, I digress. I
don't think I don't think we need to play the clip.
Speaker 6: Good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there wasn't.
Speaker 4: I can summarize what is in the clip because it
does segue right back to our original topic. But I
mean this statement I made, and I think this is
the clip, but it it. I told them, like, you
need to be able to punish the universities. There needs
to be a reckoning, and before you do that, nothing
can proceed. And that's the one thing that Nathan Kaufnes
actually does complain about affirmative action. But the second you
do something to actually punish universities for implementing things like
affirmative action, then he will immediately defend them as being
the best and the brightest.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, this is the other thing I saw
just kind of on that point, and yes, we're going
to go back to original topic, but on that exact
same vein. I saw a video recently where Mike Millie
was in uniform talking about how people swore an oath
to the Constitution and not a would be dictator and
the fact that that not Mike Mark whatever, the fact
that he's still drawing breath infuriates me.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: I was gonna point out, did any of you see
the article in the New It's like the New York
mag Intelligentsia or intelligences I forget what's called, but it
was about the It was basically like a column in
which multiple professors ranted about UH kids using AI. Now, yeah,
this is related, Uh that that line, like massive numbers
of students are going to graduate functionally illiterate in their subjects.
There is actually maybe an obtuse hope in that, because
if if they're so reliant on AI rather than thinking
critically about the topic, they're they're also kind of not
going to be indoctrinated, and there so what few American
students are going to be in here and and listen
to these clips like like what they was an interviewing
with these institutions. They're not getting the influence from the
institution because they're not actually thinking about it. They're just
telling the AI the bullet points from the assignment and
having the AI do it. So there may be this
this idea I'm actually writing about this topic in the
same way that during COVID, the like the two to
four years that students were away from the classroom created
this like vacuous like student body that is essentially very
easy to radicalize in non regime of approved views. Now
you're gonna have the same thing in colleges where you're
gonna have this this generation of students that that just
typed it into AI and had the AI do the aslament.
They're gonna be riped in prime for any kind of
radicalization because they didn't fill it with the university radicalization.
Maybe in some ways, this this protest movement that's happening
is is a slight result of that to some degree,
I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't feel good about that. I agree with you,
but I don't think that's a good thing.
Speaker 4: No, I mean this is it raises a generation of
people that just do you say AI as a process?
You know, so I know this is.
Speaker 3: I would argue, I would argue that a large amount
of the political capital of young protesters comes from this
radicalization pathway. Without it, they're not going to be radicalized
as much. They'll be lazy do nothings, but they won't
be in the streets during the next like riot or something.
They won't care. They haven't been radicalized and collected the
political capital to want to do something. They simply don't care.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think mass apathy is what's
eventually gonna.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm one of the things that I'm the most
worried about is the demographic decline amongst under twenties that
is coming like a freight train, which scares me more
than anything else. But gentlemen, I think we've I think
we've we've talked about this quite a bit. Did any
of you have any final thoughts about the university wars,
mister Kofness, the state of the academy, or the state
of the people going into the academy before we move
on to our next topic.
Speaker 4: I'm good, all right.
Speaker 1: I guess we've beat this horse to death. Well, bringing
us into our next topic. Recently, there was I think
I think Elon Musk made a tweet he said, you know,
the GDP growth is absolutely vital to national security, et cetera,
et cetera. And then I think some some you know,
like fake based senator or whomever quote tweeted it and
said it's impossible to refute him on this. And then
some third individual responded to that senator or representative or
whomever's quote tweet saying, strip mind the national parks to yeah,
strip mine the federal parks to end the national debt.
And we of course have our We have our beloved
leader up there, who is quite a naturalist and hunter himself, who,
as I said earlier, is currently in Africa, literally on
safari at the moment. He had this to say, America's
natural beauty is not for sale. Go to port one
hundred million illegals and get rid of DEI you know, like,
actually do the job you were elected to do. I
completely agree with our president here.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the point is and we talked about
this RedHawks on my show, and we talked about this.
If you to port one hundred million illegals, if you
lower the population, if that helps not only the economy,
it lowers prices, It lowers the prices of houses, it
lowers the price of rent. It also lowers pollution, all
of these things. But one of the things I want
to point out here is strip mind the federal parks
and the national debt. This is my data repub looking.
This is one of those people who got really famous
for made the software where you could plug someone's name
in or an NGO's name in and look exactly how
much money they were getting from US AID and everything.
And it really goes to show that people they were
made hero I mean, Trump mentioned mentioned this person. Elon
highlighted this person. People were asking, you know, asking this
person to come on. I think this person lost their
job and people are like asking them to come on
their podcasts or find her a job. I believe it's
a female. Of course it's a female. That's a that's
a total women moment right there. But it just goes
to show that these people are They're not our people.
These Republicans are not. They're not our people. They they
they don't get it. They they just don't get it.
They think these are just civic nationalists and it's their
line go up people. That's not what we're about. We're
not about line go up.
Speaker 3: I remember going to her website and typing a pack
and getting zero results, and I was instantly suspicious of it.
There are certain groups that civic nationalists consider friendly that
they seem to have censored off that Data Republican website.
I think that it was like it was primarily a
tool against the left, which which good, but it was
not a tool to reflect on how the right is captured.
And that is concerning. And I think you were seeing
it again. They're just about GDP. They're just about their
friends and allies. We're not their friends, We're just this
like useful. They view us as kind of like the
useful idiots to get into power. And that's kind of like,
like you feel used when you realize that. And Jill,
exactly exactly do you think that?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: This is an interesting question. So I have a different perspective.
I I hate the GDP line go up thing. I
get in to debates about this frequently. It's not a
good representation representation of median well being. It's a terrible
representation of median wellbeing. But there's an obvious reason why
a lot of people care about it, even those who
aren't aligned with our enemies, and that's because GDP is
essentially what allows us to keep on borrowing money, and
we're borrowing money against future GDP, which means that if
the GDP growth stops, the money printers stop going for
which means that we have a catabol collapse of the
Western financial systems. And that is something that is, you know,
a huge can of worms that we haven't even begun
to unwrap yet. Ideally that this is also one of
the reasons why some people have speculated that the ruling
class might be they might be pulling back on immigration.
It appears at least in some areas of Europe and
in Canada. I never know how seriously to take this rhetoric,
but certainly the rhetoric is in that direction. And one
possible reason is is that in the last five years
it's become very very apparent that not only is immigration
deleterious to median well being, which you can see quite clearly,
but also that the immigrants they are bringing in are
net negatives on GDP, which they do care about because
if they don't have that, they can't keep on printing
the money and borrowing.
Speaker 3: Which which begs the question why we haven't or at
least our elite, having gotten this memo because the obsession
with like picking your your your cherished third world group
to bring over here to work your jobs, when we
all know they're just going to be in welfare and
taking like like hiding a lot of tax money through remittennces.
I just don't understand what when they have I do
see that like the nations like England, Poland and France,
they're getting them. They realize it, they realize it's it's
it is actually in fact dropping the GDP the more
immigrac they bring in because they're all in welfare and
not contributing to the workforce. So when when are they
going to get that memo? Because they should have gotten
it by now.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I think that they're just trying to
get more power inside the sort of the primary superpower
of the West. So they're thinking, oh, well, maybe it'll
tank the economy, but I'm still trying to get as
much power as possible before this thing collapses. That's obviously
the counterfailing logic, and immigrants give that to them in
the short term, you know, a.
Speaker 1: Little bit, no good please, Okay, I just want to
take that and run with it a little bit. You
talk about how you know, maybe the mindset amongst the
elite is like, Yeah, this thing is inevitably going to collapse,
but I want to make sure that I get my little,
my little corner secure before it does. I think that's
the prevailing attitude amongst a lot of people. One of
the one of the things I've kind of been obsessing
with is, you know, since I even got started, is
the concept of decline and collapsing crisis and what will
eventually bring this to an end. And you know, the
same way that we were talking about in the last segment,
how this this you know, parasitic political economy that exists
amongst this elite that basically goes from institution to institution,
breaking the credibility and all that it. I I don't
underestimate the capacity of this group of people to keep
things going just long enough to ensure that they've siphoned
as much out as they possibly can. And I don't
know if there's any way to keep them from doing that. Right.
This actually gets into the into the topic of a
couple of the talks that we had at the conference
as to how you react to that. I personally, I don't,
I don't know. I don't think there's I don't think
there's any way around this catabolic collapse. And I don't
think there's any way that we can make these people
pay for taking all of the money out of our system,
because the one thing they all have their they all
have their landing pads more or less pre selected, and
this has been an ongoing thing since the seventies. So
in all honesty, I I think the best thing for
us to do, and the best thing for us to
focus on, and and something that the Old Glory Club
is starting to focus on, is you know, rather than
rather than you know, you know, attempting to map out
how these people are taking the money, or how they're
how they're shattering and and and and emptying the vault.
Start making plans for what you're going to do whenever
this catabolic collapse inevitably occurs, Because I you know, everyone
and their mother can tell you that this system based
on endless lending doesn't doesn't end very well. Uh.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite old letter collections, I think it's
by Sidonus. It's the It's basically the meeting minutes between
the Gothic kings and the and the surviving Roman Senate
after the Western imperial system collapsed. And one of the
things that constantly gets brought up by the Gothic monarch
when they're meeting with the Senate is who gave you
this tax relief? Who gave you these workers who, like
the Gothic kings, don't understand how these Italian noblemen like
cut out a part of the former empire for themselves
without anyone noticing, and they're just flabbergasted by the amount
of like tax free easy living so many of the
elite were living as the empire burned down. They thought
they would find them impoverished and in need, but instead
they found them living on their own little fortified piece
of the pie. And one of the most common things
I see in these meeting minutes in like the it'
supposed to be like the seventh and eighth centuries, is
the Gothic king looking at this and just stripping out
all the benefits away and retaxing them to like maximum
amounts because they haven't paid their dues to the what
what they were calling the Roman Commonwealth in the post
imperial system. And I don't want to wait for some
foreign conqueror to come here and beraate our elite for
being so selfish. I don't want to wait my whole
life watching them make their little fortified piece of the
pie while everyone else dies and suffers. And unfortunately, I
don't know how to like like get them to care
about investing in this this this nation. I don't I
don't know, I really don't know. The only solution seems
to be to just build your own and be a
better person when you compete with these elite in the
post federal system, whatever comes like, you have to just
have something that you can barter with with these elite,
because they're they're they're amputating chunks of this empire for themselves.
Speaker 1: I remember, what is it?
Speaker 4: This? This?
Speaker 1: I think this relates somewhat to the previous topic that
we had with these universities. You know, I understand that
I'm actually I'm surrounded by three Catholics here, but I'm
going to make the comparison when Henry the Eighth seized
all of the monasteries in England when he when he
broke from the Catholic Church. I'm not going to I'm
not going to speak to theological issues. The church owned
one third of the land in England, you know, the
priests in England. I'm not going to speak to anywhere
else in Europe. The priests in England. We're living in
almost you know, extraordinary wealth, you know. And it like
the universities in the last segment that I think of,
and you know, much like much like how the leite
that we have today are building these little communities. And
I think it started when the Wasps basically threw their
hands up in the seventies and said we're cashing out.
And you can still they have their own little fortified community.
Sam actual talk about them. They're in Cape Cod and
Martha's Vineyard. That's the ones that you know about. But
then there's a bunch of other town names you don't
know about. They're in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. They're in all
of these other places with their you know, multimillion dollar
houses and their controlled county governments, and it is walled
off and you can't get in and they live amongst
each other, and that's that's how this works. And you know,
I agree with you that I don't want to just
I don't want to see them just get away with it.
But at the same time, it's like, well, what can
you do? What can you do to to hold them
accountable to this? We have a money based system. Unless
you're willing to appeal to a power higher than gold,
then I don't know. I don't think there's anything that
can be done here.
Speaker 3: I'll drop the text and I'll drop the texts in
the text in the chat here so you guys can
read it in your own time.
Speaker 1: Is this is one of those that undergraduate thesis that
you are that graduate level.
Speaker 3: Thesis that's a different one. These are the meeting minutes
between the Roman Senate survived the fall of the Western
Empire and became subject to the Ostro Gothic Kings, so
they functioned as the as the as the they functioned
as the bureaucratic state under the Gothic kings, and the
Gothic kings, being autistic, Germans recorded the meeting minutes, so
you get to see the dialogues between the Roman senators
and the Gothic Kings as the Gothic Kings kind of
like set up a medieval dodge department to figure out
what the hell went wrong here?
Speaker 1: Odo Waker did nothing wrong.
Speaker 3: At one point he just berates the senator, this one senator,
for living tax free for three generations and not having
paid a single senate taxes for the local roads that
were now incomplete disrepair. And he's just yelling at him, like,
why haven't you paid for the roads? Why haven't you
repaid the rebuilt the aqueducts. So why haven't you rebuilt
the ridges? You're you're surrounded by like like a third
world state. Well, you're living in the palace with your
pristine town. Why aren't you contributing to the Italian commonwealth?
Speaker 1: You know, that reminds me of some of the best
universities in the South and and elsewhere. Johns, Hopkins and
Duke immediately come to mine, in Baltimore and in Durham, respectively,
is that they are these like perfect little Ivory Tower.
Princeton's another great example, like beautiful places, beautiful campus is
well maintained, and they are just surrounded by the worst
ghetto in the country. Almost you know, it's it's almost
unbelievable to contrast. And I can see the I can
see that exact thing that you're you're speaking of there,
and I think part of it is, you know, Alex Jones,
and I know I'm gonna cite him, but he has
that I don't know if he got if I got
it from him, or if he got it from someone.
But it's this concept of what's called a breakaway civilization.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I think that the the elite of any society, especially
when you add wealth and power to the mix, the
elite of any society start seeing each other as the
society and they start looking at the people under them
in any circumstance. As you know, I don't want to
be lured here, but let's just say foreigners is the
right way of saying it. And that's not even within
their conception. Because we look at the world as you know,
or the German kings look at the look at this country,
look at the world as it's a commonwealth. It's like,
you know, we're all we're all trying to push into
the same goal. We all have to live here, you know.
But that's because we're middle class. That's because we're in
the middle. That's because we're the ones who maintain the
country and the people who reap most of the benefit
just simply don't look at it that way, you know.
So I'm sure there's a psychology aspect to it. And
we had we had a funny little clip as to
to to to demonstrate the state of the national parks
where they're in. It's like you want to strip mind them.
It's like, well they're already kind of being strip mined.
Look who's Look who's inhabiting all of them?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It's a great live stream when we're forgetting to bring
up our clips because the conversation is is is that
Niagara Falls?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, ah, oh, well that's.
Speaker 4: Been that's been India and Central for Ages. But I
can see there's even more now wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that means you ended up being a nothing
burger though unfortunate.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I can't even that's where my that's where
my parents went on their honeymoon.
Speaker 1: Falls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was something that people used to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it's probably one of the one
of the nicer places in the country back when they
did it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, back in the sixties. Definitely, although I hate
to say it. I think that's the Canadian side you're
looking at.
Speaker 1: Well, they got to go somewhere. They can't all stay
up there. Yeah, but no, I mean, you know, one
of the things that I've particularly liked in a turn
is is environmentalism and the concept of environmental preservation as
you know, an issue that's no longer monopolized by the
worst people on earth, because you know, just about everyone
would agree. Anyone who's like healthy and upstanding would agree
with you of a particular cultural background, would say that
it's probably important to preserve some aspect of the natural
environment instead of you know, just rolling it, particularly the
beautiful parts the You know, I'm not going to cry
any tears when a patch of planes in Oklahoma gets developed,
but yeah, exactly, like like Teddy Roosevelt right there, like
of course, you know, we want to preserve a sort
of wild natural beauty which only became a thing when
we have the capacity to utterly destroy the wild now beauty.
It's it's it's something that that I don't know if
we can never get it back, but it's something that'll
be very hard to get back once you lose it,
and you know, the problem is is that in California,
particularly with how they manage forests, they do it in
such a negligent, like retarded manner that everything is just
left free like once you start. Once people start managing
an environment, you can't stop managing it. You know that
there's whole industries based around, uh for like forestry, it's
based entirely around the health of forests, preventing blights, you know,
keeping forest fires from happening at too large of an extent,
et cetera, et cetera. But you can't just like throw
your hands up and like say, oh it's it's it's
back to Eden, you know it. You have to manage
it somewhat. That's why park rangers exist, you know, That's
why you have you have whole sub industries based around
maintaining these park systems. But you can't do the opposite.
You can't just utterly flood them with invain of species.
And you can choose to take that as a euphemism
if you want. You can't just just flood them with
invasive species. And the problem is is that particularly with
these the problem with the National Park System isn't is
not that it is not accessible enough it is that
it is. It has been made too accessible, it has
been made too easy for people who don't care for
the environment to go there and treat it like it's
the McDonald's parking lot. And that's something that I think,
you know, the club takes very seriously, and some thinkers
on the side of things take very seriously. And I'm
very glad that that is a that is an issue
that we've started reclaiming.
Speaker 4: I mean, in environmentalism has to be part of any
kind of non progressive, right wing vision of human life,
because the environment is a critical part of human thriving
and we are not lying go up people. We are
thriving and spiritual and physical thriving of humanity people. That
is our politics, and environment is a is a critical
aspect of that. One one question I have is, I mean,
why is it all of a sudden Indians at national parks.
I never knew many Indians who were that outdoorsy. I
guess I'm surprised. I forget who was telling me this.
Speaker 2: It may have been our very own red Hawk, our
president that if you go up to in Michigan, in
northern Michigan and the some of the some of the
Mitten up there. Yeah, the up you said the National
parks are over run by them up there.
Speaker 4: Interesting. I mean, I I know, never Nagara Falls, because
Nagara Falls is that's where they all have the weddings, right,
But i'd be I'm surprised to see, Yeah, they're not
you to Indians I've known have not been very outdoorsy.
So that's an interesting thing.
Speaker 1: Well. I what I've had, how I've had it explain,
is it's largely for clout, particularly with social media. All
of the best overlooks, all of the most beautiful views
or whatever, are the most accessible by car, or at
least the most iconic ones, and so what happens is
is they all crowded. I saw this with the Blue
Ridge Parkway or Skyline Drive I think two years ago,
which is unfortunately proximate to northern Virginia, where a great
deal of these people live and have lived for a
very long time, or at least for my life. And
we were driving by one of the entrances to Skyline
Drive and the entrance was packed halfway down the mountain. Right,
there was a traffic jam all the way halfway down
the mountain that you have to drive up to get
into the Shenandoah Valley where you know, right by the
skyline drive and it was all Tesla's and and these
these other that's that's someone who drives a Tesla's is
it's a pretty good euphemism. And I saw them and
it's it's it's like, okay, so you're just you just
you're just trying to get onto the trail, drive to
the first overlook, take a photo at the overlook to
put on your social media, your LinkedIn or whatever, right
for for clicks. That's kind of what it that that's
what drives them to these places. These are prestigious places
within the society. It's the same reason why they'll go
on like a quote unquote ski trip. But they'll it'll
be like, you know, they go to the Bunny Slope
and then they they go and they get a photo
taken and that's that's all that they do. It's it's
it's entirely for this vapid so like, oh look at me.
I'm you know, outdoorsy. I'm it's it's very oriental, it's
very performative, and it's uh causing a lot of issues.
Speaker 4: I can imagine. I mean, I know this is this
is sort of the artificiality of all experience is going
to be something have to be something that we take
more seriously these days, and it's not helping. Like the
huge sort of cultural diversience of our society is not
helping this problem.
Speaker 1: Absolutely anything else in the National parks. Before we move
on to our to our next topic, or actually, real quick,
before we before we move on to our next topic,
we're going to hit super chats, but any any final
comments before we do that.
Speaker 2: I was just looking.
Speaker 4: I'll stay for the first super chats, but I have
to probably sign out for.
Speaker 1: That, understood. Thank you very much for joining us day.
Speaker 4: Oh no, my pleasure is a great time.
Speaker 1: Let me let let me see if oh go ahead.
Speaker 3: I did find one of my favorite meeting minutes by
Theodork to the Roman Senate, in which he lam bess
the editors for dishonoring their heritage, for fail to take
care of their own.
Speaker 2: You won't hear it or later on.
Speaker 1: After please please go ahead.
Speaker 3: This is letter twenty four to the Senate of Rome.
He speaks to a lot in third person, like we
as in the King, We here with sorrow by the
report of the Provisional judges, that you, the fathers of
the state, who ought to set an example to your sons,
the ordinary citizens, have been so remiss in the payment
of taxes that on the first collection nothing, or next
nothing has been brought in from the senatorial houses. Thus
a crushing weight has fallen on the lower orders of
citizens who have had to make good on your deficiencies
and have been distruught by the violence of the tax gatherers. Now, then,
conscript fathers who owe as much duty to the republic
as do as we do, pay the taxes for for
which each one of you is liable to the pro
creators appointed in each province by three installments, or if
you prefer to do so, and is and is used
to be accounted by the by your privilege, pay it
all at once into the chest of the state's coffers.
And let this follow and need to be published, that
all the privileged provincials may know that they are not
to be imposed upon, and that they are invited into
your state for grievances, like he's basically said telling them,
if you don't pay your taxes, I'm going to let
the commoners legally enter your state and complain to you
and like throw a hissy fit, and he just goes
on at this like like there's dozens of letters like
this in which he discovers like they haven't paid taxes
in four or five generations, and the local roads have
gone to the to the swamp. Basically, it's it's just
an endless like berating. He's he literally sets up a
commissioner for efficient like a government efficiency. I think it's
called something like like Efficiency in the Finances, where it's
basically a medieval dodge department to investigate the Senate our
losses and where their money is gone.
Speaker 1: Reminds me of when they sent the legals to frigging
Martha's vineyard, which I thought was a brilliant move.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not new this, these these patterns repeat
many times anyway. To the super chests.
Speaker 1: Indeed, first one from Maple copper Head. Maple Copperhead for
ten US dollars, he says, salute from the James Oglethorpe Society,
your old Glory club brothers in Georgia. Well, thank you,
mister Copperhead, and I salute you back for the James
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evening gents so glad to see something that is being
done about the army of Chinese quote students unquote that
have infested at our universities. I didn't go to university,
but even Vegas is was infested with them. Yeah, that's
the thing. That's something I've noticed. It's you know, everyone
who I talked to who's involved in any sort of
graduate level education, and even PhD like they'll say, like
every PhD department in STEM, or graduate department in STEM
is just overrun by Chinese nationals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's such a problem. Even I'm still having
like nightmares from when i was a student. It was
a problem in my undergrad years, and it was a
bigger problem like graduate years. And they just they help
each other cheat unbelievably. Usually there's like one guy who's
like the son of some government guy in China, and
he'll get a little click of like various sons of
corporate people and he'll just like order one to do
the assignment and then everyone benefits from that and they
just copy paste everything and if they get caught, they
don't give a shit because they're paying double the tuition
of what Americans do, and the university wants that money.
Speaker 1: All of our solutions are fed posts Solid Snake nineteen
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Speaker 1: I never got into battle Tech, neither.
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Caleb for nineteen dollars and ninety nine cents, He said,
Dave really enjoyed your appearance on the Gauntlet this year.
El Templar, I curse Vishnu. Now blast that whistle boys,
and let's support seventy five million. All right, let's get it.
Let's get a whistle for the super chat.
Speaker 4: I can't even remember what I talked about on the Gauntlet,
but yeah, it's a it's a good show.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just remember I haven't talked to He
doesn't go by Lamba anymore, does he?
Speaker 4: I don't know his YouTube channel still called.
Speaker 3: That Okay, Yeah, I haven't talked to him in like
a good year.
Speaker 4: I have to say hi again. Yeah. It's kind of
funny that the space has gotten so big that I'm
just losing contact with people based on virtual distance, Like
I just can't. I can't keep track of everyone in
the space anymore. So I guess naturally, there's going to
be just some people you have to move away from.
Speaker 2: Miss.
Speaker 4: There so many different things going on, all right.
Speaker 1: Moving on. Next up is a ske bum two twenty
for uh. He sends in a super chat for twenty
five dollars. Thank you very kindly, sir, and he sends
a salute. Well, I salute you back, thank you for
joining us, sir.
Speaker 4: Indian ski bum would be a great online moniker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be Memphisippi for file. I'm sorry for
this one, Dave, Memphisippi for five dollars. He says, here's
one dollar for every twenty IQ points Dave had as
human capital is inevitable and it's so over for the
for the woke.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that was like the copness after a little trolling.
It's called me a little troller on Twitter. When I
was like reposting my arguments. He was just talking about
how I was just too low IQ to understand his
trust the experts like elite human capital or like an expert.
Is anybody who I say is an expert, which is
basically his position. And now he's going after what is
that guy he's going after, like Lang Chris Langan? I
think like he's going after his IQ. He's trying to
two hundred and fifteen IQ, Yeah, exactly, but he's trying
to deep bunk it. He's trying to deep bunk it, right,
because I believe Nathan Coughness was also originally like he
was one of the original people that was trying to
debunk what is that culture of critique Kevin Kevin McDonald
Ken McDonald, Yeah, he was originally trying to deep bunk
Kevin McDonald. And you know, uh, that's sort of his
angle on HBD. You might imagine, am I implying things
too hard? I'm sorry, but.
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's the the IQ
obsession has kind of become a little cringe at this stage,
at least in that stare.
Speaker 4: But whatever, Well, I.
Speaker 1: Think people are kind of realizing that virtue and moral character. Sure,
there may be a little bit of an IQ element
to that, but like it. You know, we've seen we've
seen enough really smart people with high IQs lie to
us and you know, basically try to kill us. So
I think I think IQ is out of fashion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's more important to know who you can.
Speaker 1: Trust exactly, who's up next death for five dollars. I
noticed that a small group of people, the Security Council,
run all the shots in Russia. All of them are
ethnic Russian, not rootless Cosmopolitans.
Speaker 2: I shared a video, I think in the comments earlier
of a I think it was a rabbi or some
like higher up saying that all anyone of Jewish descent
needs to get out of Russia. That it's not safe
to be in Russia. It's not safe for Jews to
be in Russia. But Putins of Putin's of Russian a
Jewish puppet, so you know, try to figure we'll figure
that out, or it's probably just a grand plot. He's
he's part of the k fabe and everything like that.
I can't stand these people. Some of these people are
bigger Zionists than like Theodore Hertzel. They think that like
they're they're they're they're like ubermensches or something like that
is amazing you.
Speaker 3: The Biden's cabinet was captured. Look at Pud's cabinet.
Speaker 1: Oh my godness, Hunger, good friend of ours. For twenty dollars,
he says, Dave, you're great and very high IQ. At
least it counterbalances the previous one, and he gave us
more money. He gave us more money, So I guess
we're going to count his as true. But the fact
that you had but the fact you had to show
a dartboard graph to explain lying is worse than incompetence.
Is an indictment on their morality, not Intelicans. They know
they're lying for political gain. We know they're lying. They
know we know. Everything after that is post hawk rationalization.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to come to this perspective, one layer
or the other. And this is the reason why I'm
part of the right wing is because it's the only
place where people are actually having conversations that mean anything.
Have you Like, I know you guys don't look at
leftist media, but it is like it is the far
left media sphere has They've gotten nothing. They're talking about
now thing, they're just it's just a giant cope session.
They're not even exploring interesting ideas. Uh, it's a little
bit interesting to see the New York Times try to
reposition itself and get to a new a new narrative,
kind of a Gavin Newsom transformation. But everyone else outside
of right wing and right wing adjacent, adjacent serrus is
just not talking about anything that's meaningful. It seems beautiful.
Speaker 2: Swor vent a black hole I made that.
Speaker 3: There's an account you to. I do pay attention to
kind of like fringe left wing accounts on YouTube just
to see if if anything is breaking their control mechanisms.
That there's this account uh aid Aiden Hall. He made
a video called who Broke the Democrats? And most of
it is is slop. It's it's basically reinforcing the Democrat
into internal dialects. But he does bring up a few
interesting points, but but it's it's a good example of
how they're completely lost. And the view the video is
like two thousand views on YouTube. It's they're clearly talking
about these things, but they're just repeating the party line
a lot of times. It's it's they're completely lost of
any future endeavors.
Speaker 2: It seems.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's there's I don't know. I don't want to
se the left is out, but something very serious has
broken inside their system, and it's almost more likely that
the right wing is sort of the future of of
of what young people believe in this country, at least
who are native born. Because I don't know what else.
I mean, I guess there's there's still women. They're still
college educated women, but they're they're sort of like the
ultimate kind of compliance joiner agreeableness types. So when when
the when the Democrats are on the back, but they
don't have any idea, they're just trying to look for
who to join and there's there's no answer, so it
just kind of goes off an in coherence.
Speaker 3: The New York mayor race will be something to pay
attention because I mean there's like Azahon or something, the
weird Muslim guy. They're trying to pull a Sundi con
in Manhattan, the Democrats, and it'll be interesting to see
if it if it falls flat on its face as
like a relic of a yester year woke or if
they still some remnant woke strength in the cities. Pay
attention to it when it happens. It's it's this year.
It's not next year. It's November fourth. This year is
our election for New York, and it will be worth
paying attention to see how how it goes. I think
I think Eric Adams is running as an independent because
he got kicked out of the Democrat candidacies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it, I don't know. I mean, I
get the sense that they're trying to pull back the
whole city con revolution in London as well. They the
powers that be, So I have no idea where this
is going to go. But I don't know. There's this
an opportunity here, like there's this an opportunity here to
organizing young men is exactly where everyone needs to be
thinking right now. And I'm not so sure. I mean,
it's it's amazing that that that there aren't more people
trying to do it, because it's absolutely the thing that
we should be doing, or anyone should be doing. Who's
who wants to actually change anything?
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but we'll save those for the end. And it is
from one hundred counts for ten US dollars. Thank you, sir,
and he says, great to see Dave on an OGC stream.
It is great to see you Dave on the stream.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: I should do more, but I'm just the time thing.
Speaker 1: Absolutely well. On that note, Dave, I know you said
you had to get going here, so you're you're free
to do so. Thank you very much for joining us.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. I'll talk to
guys later.
Speaker 2: Take care, take care O bye.
Speaker 1: And then there were three. All right, Now that Dave's gone,
we can actually get into the fun topics. So I
would I would personally, I would personally like to issue
on behalf of the old Glory Club a congratulations. I
can't issue I don't have the authority to do that
sort of thing, but I do want to issue congratulations
to mister George Floyd of Minneapolis, Minnesota for five years
no felonies. Congratulations sir, I mean, who knew, who knew,
who knew?
Speaker 2: That's what was gonna That's what it was going to
take to get him drug free. Some people just they
need all the help they can get.
Speaker 1: You know, we can rebuild him. We have rebuilt him.
He that's the you know, all he needs, all he
needs is a unlimited supply of fent and he can
do unbelievable things.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is some who could have, you know,
his life cut short, he could have cured cancer, helped
Musk terraform mars. I'm it's a great loss. And I'm
sure by this point, you know, Trayvon Martin would have
figured out how to feed all of the poor in
the world. So let's let's remember.
Speaker 1: Let's remember the fallen well, you know he was, he
was an aspiring philosopher too, you know, the the statement
that he had, you know, this young generation is clearly lost.
Man clearly lost. And you know, he was at a
loss for words. I think I think would very much
betrayed a A A twenty first century Plato. And it's
it's a very deep shame that we did lose him.
Speaker 4: The word.
Speaker 2: So true.
Speaker 1: But May twenty and twenty five marks five years since
the George Floyd incident occurred, which was the thing on
that I don't even know how to describe it. It was
almost a religious incident, you know, some sort of mass
psychosis event that shaped the country and kicked off the
Summer of Some people called it the Summer of Love,
but I think we all call it the Summer of
Floyd because it better exemplifies it. And it feels like
it was like forty years ago. It doesn't feel like
it was five years ago. I don't know if you
gentlemen disagree.
Speaker 3: You know, I remember I was still fairly liberal back then,
and I remember all the churches trying to turn them
into a saint, and for a brief time, I was
leaning towards falling fort But once I started reading that
autopsy report, I was like, oh, this is another bullshit thing,
And it's one of those nexus points I can look
back on and say that that's when I stopped being
looked hearted. That's when like the veil collapsed.
Speaker 2: For most. Yeah, it's one of those things where it's
like I'm sitting there and I'm watching an obvious criminal
and then there's George Floyd in the picture, and you know,
it's like, who who do you root for? And it's like, well,
you know, I struggle with this. I see a certain
class of certain class in this a certain class. It's
supposed to be a protector, being a protector of the
people who came here afterwards, or the people who do
the thirteen that do sixty instead of you know, heritage
Americans and the people who actually care about this country.
And it's something that I struggle with. So the N word, you.
Speaker 1: Know what the N word is.
Speaker 6: It's yeah, if you want to understand idolatry, okay, if
you want to understand the inborne.
Speaker 1: We're all Christians here, you know, we know this. We
all know this. Every human being that was ever created
has this slot in their mind where God is supposed
to go. Every human being cannot help but worship in
some way or in some form some thing. And a
lot of people think, oh, well, no, we're in the
we're in the twenty first century. It's it's this is
this is another this is kind of trite. No one
really thinks this. But it's like a lot of people
at least previously struggled to see what the idols of
this world are. And that's kind of like asking a
fish what waters is. But George Floyd and what spawned
around him is I think the clearest and most blatant
example of idolatry that we can find. It's like, I
think it's in the Book of Daniel. It's like, it's
like when Nebek and Ezzard raised up the statue and
ordered everyone to to lay down before it to worship it.
I don't know if correct me, if that's wrong. I
think that's in the Book of Daniel. Yeah, and and
and and have everyone worship it. And it's it's a
similar thing. It's it's just a very blatant and obvious
you know, you at churches, you know it the site
of his death became became a site of pilgrimage. People
were getting baptized there.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: A weird time the status of him. Basically, what it
told me was that we were yeah, I remember and
remember at the same time, we're still most of the
country is still going through COVID lockdowns, all of these things,
you know, the arguments over oh, you know, yeah, the
virus is really dangerous, but it's more important to go
out there and uh and mark for burn stuff down
for racial justice. But really what that should have told
you is or should have told you, that the president
is not in charge because he couldn't do anything. I mean,
I if I were a president looking back, I don't
know what I would have done. But if I were
a president now what you know, the way I am now,
I would have put You know, one hundred and first
Airborne has been deployed to the streets of the United
States before and put down riots. Did it, they did it,
did it in La twice, I believe. I think one
hundred and first was in ninety two and with the
wats riots in sixty seven. I don't know if it
was one hundred and first, but it was. There was definitely,
you know, troops on the street, and that's what needed
to be done, and these people needed to be put down,
they needed I mean, I got this is my first,
uh one of I think my first Twitter account that
I've never gotten back, the one I made in like
two thousand and eight was nu because I said that
these are communists and we should shoot them dead in
the street. And I mean that's the same way I feel.
And if it happens again, I don't think it's going
to happen this summer, but it is coming. It will
be happening again, probably twenty twenty, probably twenty twenty eight,
most definitely. We'll have some stuff in between now and then.
But these people need to be put down when they
do it. And if you don't do that, you're not
a serious country. You're not a serious country.
Speaker 3: I really have to admit that. You know, at that
time I was still a bit liptarted, but even a
politically seeing Trump just do nothing as the country burned down,
it left a certain bead taste in the mouth with Trump.
I mean, I'm glad he's back. I'm very glad he's back,
because I did not want the fucking parade of Biden's
do nothing but four more years here. But just seeing
him complain and do nothing back then some degree there's
there's an echo of that I'm feeling now in this
second term. People forget, you know, like, yeah, Donald Trump
was president when when that happened, right, so he he
had the the opportunity to rise above the occasion, and
he just didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. It's it's kind
of the what is it? It's it's it's it, It heralded
the It heralded the start of the crisis. I suppose
that'll last throughout these you know, twenty twenties, or at
least in the same way I think that the sixties
led into the seventies. I think the Summer of Floyd
started the true crisis of the trumpet of the trump era,
which was you know, COVID and and the Color Revolution
which follows from it. And yeah, I believe in much
the same way that the sixties, in the crisis that
the sixties brought about preceded the seventies. We haven't heard
the last of the or at least it's been it's
been much much more contained because we're all online. But
this crisis of the twenty twenties will lead into a
sort of I guess, I guess a breakdown in the
twenty thirties that'll be likened to the seventies. Whether it's
it's as bad or worse is another matter, But yeah,
I mean, it's important to keep these things in mind.
You said earlier cring E that there this is like
the burn down of the Frond for public I might
even liken it to the breakup of perhaps Yugoslavia, though
I don't know if there's enough of a political economy
in the United States outside of the government too.
Speaker 3: Was that was that a alarm?
Speaker 4: That beef?
Speaker 2: That was my air conditioner? There there is probably a
lot of similarities to Spain early nineteen thirties as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to recommend a book that I've been
slowly working through, Richard Harris Justice, The Crisis of Law,
Order and Freedom in America. He was i think embedded
in the Nixon and Johnson administrations, especially in the courts
and documents what went wrong at that time? That the
subtext of this title is an alarming report on the
very different uses made of the Justice Department by Ramsey
Clark and John Mitchell, which were with like the I
think the AG's at the time. It is a really
good book written in what year was this should be
written here? Somewhere nineteen seventy right in the middle of it,
and it is quite prophetic from its time period of
PubL location, as well as insightful in terms of how
institutions get captured and get used against the native population.
I've been meaning to scan it in. It's quite a
good book. It's about two hundred and fifty pages. I
don't even know if this book is in any libraries anymore.
I found it in the garbage of one day and
it's like that looks interesting, and it was I'll maybe
scan it, but it's Richard Harris's Justice. We'll seek it
out if you can.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that recommendation. And yeah, I mean, you know,
the look at the I've been kind of on the
Vietnam War recently and Vietnam era films and things like that,
and that's kind of the Vietnam era is where you
kind of see the world that we currently inhabit. I've
put this out before. I don't think we live in
the post World War two order. I think the post
World War two order in Bretton Woods fell apart in
the latter I mean it fell apart after a couple
of years after Korea and the sixties is kind of
the true fun Well, it fell apart in around the
seventies is when it fell apart. But we don't live
in the post World War two Breton Woods world order
that that world order created the nineteen fifties and even
the early nineteen sixties, which were somewhat decent times to
be alive. We live in my opinion, in the post
Vietnam world order, which includes the nineteen or the post
civil rights world order, right when people are talking about
FDR FDRs is kind of ancient history at this point.
What they you know, who they really should be talking about,
as LBJ is, you know, the kind of the man
who created this mess that has just kept continually reinforcing itself.
And there's a whole other history you can read into it,
but Vietnam and the Vietnam is exceptionally similar to COVID
and what occurred in the twenty twenties. It was the
first time that something like this was you know, you
call it psyops these days, but what it basically was
was the media and those who present information functionally all
decided that we were going to lose this war in Vietnam,
and they were going to do everything that they could
to ensure that we were losing this war in Vietnam
and to present that image to the American public, no
matter what the facts were, in order to further their
domestic political agenda of civil rights, of letting in global immigration,
of anti quote unquote imperialism, or global communism. That is
functionally what occurred in the Vietnam War. And that's why
you can't ever really engage with the Vietnam War honestly,
because you're not talking about you're not talking about the
war itself. The war was unbelievably lopsided, and we were
we were the good guys in Vietnam. We were the
good guys by a very large margin. You read about
what the Viet Cong, did you realize, Oh, yes, no,
we were the good guys. And you know, you can
throw out of my lie if you want to, but
I digress. Functionally, this is and you know, you know,
Malcolm X vocalized it when he said that, oh, you know,
the white man lost in Vietnam. He lost to a
bunch of rice herders with sticks, you know. And that
was the that was the narrative. Functionally, that was the
narrative that the media was trying to manufacture. It's like,
you know, it's like it's like when you convince you
place ebo, a healthy person into thinking that they're sick,
and then it kind of follows along. That's what occurred
in the nineteen sixties when the media first became self
conscious of what it could do as the purveyors of
information and Vietnam really was a societal psyop, and it
was a we are going to lose this war, and
we're going to sacrifice as many American soldiers as we
can in order to further this domestic policy. And I
believe the same thing occur at least the twenty twenty was.
And they've they've pulled this a variety of times, you know,
between Vietnam and now, and I think twenty twenty and
COVID was really it was the last time that they
could pull something like this because the Internet and now
everyone is their own media producer. Now everyone is a
news station, Now everyone's a journalist, and everyone is constantly
seeing stuff all the time. Now they you know, they
have too much competition. They there's no monopoly of information anymore.
And but the thing is you can still draw the comparison,
you can draw the through line. And I don't know
when they first became self conscious of the power that
they had. It more or less shattered the country and
reshaped it. And that's what's brought us here today. We
can sit here and talk about the elites and you know,
who has all the money and all of that, but ultimately,
these people, the elites and who has the money, and
all of that believe in narratives, and the narratives that
they believe in are put out by increasingly desperate and
cornered traditional left wing media sources, and they will go away.
But the thing is is that vacuums tend to exist
for a little bit without anything to fill them. So
I know that was a long ramble, but that's kind
of what I've been on recently, and I think it
very well compares to what happened in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: I think, my my if I were to choose Vietnam movies,
it would be Platoon Battle Movies, Platoon, Full Metal, Jack
at Hamburger Hill, and then at Home movies would be
to just really get the propaganda of everything is Born
on the Fourth of July and Gardens of Stone. Those
are all really good movies.
Speaker 1: Real So are you are you saying those is like
correct depictions or depictions of the propaganda.
Speaker 2: The ones at Home would be, uh, well, Born on
the fourth of July is obviously the propaganda. Gardens of Stone,
I think is there's a lot of propaganda in it,
but it's a lot more realistic of the art of
the arguments.
Speaker 1: Gardens of Stone is one of my favorite movies of
all time, and it is the most I call it
Apocalypse Now is good Good twin. It was also directed
by Coppola, and I canonically, in my mind, they think
they take place in the same universe, but it's it's
the exact opposite of Apocalypse Now in every single way.
But Apocalypse Now kind of fits this narrative, right, But
Gardens of Stone is one of the only, like, there's
only like a handful of movies that you can pick
that actually depict sort of the real and I think
Gardens of Stone is the most realistic depiction of America
at the time, because in Gardens of Stone, it's normal.
Life is normal. Everyone is acting like a normal person
in day to day life. And you I see in that,
I see the nineteen sixties. I see it's like a
mix of today modern day life. It's so especially for
someone who's served, Gardens of Stone is one of the
most specific depictions of the army you'll ever see. But
but you know, for someone to serve, it's so familiar
to you, you know, but it's also so foreign. This
is the army that you hear stories about. But it's
also the army that you've lived and experienced on an
everyday basis. I don't mean to nerd out about that.
And I know we've got one more topic to cover
in super chats and all that, and we're already almost
at two hours. But but but like in terms of
like an actual not propaganda like actually kind of depicts
honest things happening, Gardens of Stone is a good one
because it actually focuses it, like the protest stuff is
as much in the background as the war is. The
Green Berets starring John Wayne We Were Soldiers is actually
somewhat honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, it's a hard hitting movie. It's
a movie that you're going to react to em you know,
emotionally too as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, but it's it. It is honest, right at least
in some respects. But you know, if you want to like.
But the thing is that the narrative, the propaganda is Platoon,
it is Hamburger Hill, It's The Deer Hunter, It's Rambo,
First Blood, It's Apocalypse Now, even it's it's it's.
Speaker 2: All of these I always put I always put Apocalypse
Now as its own, Like there's no other movie like that,
especially the Redux version. There's like there's that stands on it.
I know it's a Vietnam movie, but it's so much
more than a Vietnam movie too.
Speaker 1: So sure, sure, and and and and it's it's an
adaptation of Conrad, but ultimately that the theme in the
message of the movie is that, you know, war is
an insane drug trip that makes no sense, and even
that in and of itself kind of reinforces the narrative
in its own way. I love Apocalypse now just so
you know, but you know, anyway.
Speaker 6: We we we we've gotten well off of Floyd.
Speaker 2: Let's let's move on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but this is this is something that I
encourage the readership to look into because the really was
like the first prototype, the first use of the stuff
that they've used even all the way through twenty twenty.
And it's it's breaking down, but I don't think anything
will come to fill it anyway. Bringing us to our
final topic of the day, speaking of breaking down, the
Democratic Party is having a hard time dealing with the
fact that it was dealt its biggest electoral loss in
a very long time. So the Arian champion, Mayor Pete,
is trying to has a new strategy to appeal to
the to the to the young white men that they
have lost.
Speaker 7: Of course we should be talking about how, yeah, if
you know, Speaker Johnson got his way, it wouldn't be possible,
not just for gay people to get married, but for
straight people to get divorced, let alone like birth control
or how he would want to regulate porn or whatever.
Speaker 2: People most have a problem based but based everything is
said so far as I mean, it's like, okay, let's
let's let's fucking go exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean, they almost sound kind of like the last
embers of early two thousands new atheism, and they think, oh,
if we just make that look cool again, they'll come back.
But that's a dead and dying worldview that failed to
deal with the realities of life. And people don't want
to go back to that. I don't want to go
back to their like white boy libertarianism with porn and everything.
It destroyed them. And those who have escaped looked back
at don't look back at that because they view it
like sodom and if they look back, they'll fall assault
or something. The movements of young white boys now is
really just like you're either a Catholic traat or a
vitalist that's really old there is, and people that are
tapping into that will win, and people that wanted to
disgorge that will not win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it pick your flavor of extreme right wing politics
is what young men are increasingly turning into.
Speaker 2: You know, to the horror of people like James Lindsey
and you know, the classical liberal crowd, the left left
me crowd where they you know, young men are starting
to realize that democracy doesn't work. You know, as Jeff
Dice said, democracy just tells you that you're not allowed
to choose you. You're not you're not allowed to be
on your own side. You have to be on somebody
else's side. And they're beginning and people are starting to
realize that they have to reject that or they die.
Speaker 1: Do you remember in the last months of the Biden administration,
this meme was going around called the Social Contract, and
there were different national versions for different language groups. You know,
there's like a Portuguese version, in a French version, in
a Spanish version like like Spain Spanish, or you know,
an Italian version and whatever, and it all had basically
this thirty year old nor the American version of course too.
And it, you know, was you had this thirty year
old white guy who's like this white collar super stressed
and you see all of the places that it that
his labor was pouring into is it's like uh, and
you know, the white guy was named and it's like
via this entity, it's going to Juan in Mexico, or
via this entity, this other entity, it's going to Simon
and Linda sixty five and seventy right, who are going
on a cruise in the Caribbean, or it's going to
you know, Lashonda and via via snap right. And I
think more and more and more young white guys, particularly
young middle class white guys, realize that they are the
only net contributors in the system. Just about everyone else
is living a far greater lifestyle, a far better lifestyle
where they have community, where they have you know, they
don't worry about the same things, and they are paying
for all of it and they get nothing.
Speaker 2: Out of it.
Speaker 1: They're just they're kind of expected and in other ways
they're kind of forced to do it. And you know,
and the thing is with it, you know, like that
meme is spreading around that so many young white guys,
young middle class white guys. They they've all they've felt
something's wrong for a very long time. It's just they felt,
you know, as though the whole state apparatus exists to
ensure that they can't do anything about it. You know,
it exists too sure that you know, they can't. They
can't find a way to have their labor contribute to
something other than this stuff. And even and even the
stuff that was kind of given to them to plicate them,
you know, that was very bad for them. But you know,
video games, porn, drugs, these other things, you know, even that,
because that's a horrible, empty, hollow existence. But but it's
it's unsustainable. But even that wasn't left alone. Gamer Gates
what's brought us all here. At least that's the popular
narrative is that gamergate is what brought us all here.
And I said it earlier, But the signaling from you know,
people like Pete whose last name is literally but gay.
I his last name is literally butt gay. You know,
Gavin Newsom is doing the same thing. Is it's like
the only thing that I think some elements of the
Democratic Party, the quote unquote moderates, you know, or the
DNC types who are outside of the activist class. I
think what they're trying to do, or they're trying to signal,
is there like the centrist the adults are back in
the room, the Party of Power is coming back, and
you know, Newsom is like the second built, the second
coming of Bill Clinton. You know, it's like, oh, we're
going to finally put a normal guy who you know, Hey,
we're going to let you have your porn back in
your video games. And it's it's very out of touch.
It's very out of touch. It's it's you know, happy
New Year twenty twelve. It's it's not they're not in
the game functionally. If this is if this is what
they're signaling, if this is what they're coming up with,
and they're trying to hope to to kind of they're
signaling to the Joe Rogan, the left left meet crowd.
I don't know how much of value this is, but
apparently Joe Rogan's been attending church, you know, like that's
that's a signal like the left left knee crowd is realized,
oh well, you know, there is no left left and
so looks like we've got to start changing to fit
the world because Rogan's Rogan savvy. He wouldn't have the
show he has if he wasn't. I think he understands
where the wind is growing, the wind is blowing, and
where his audience is going. So I'm not saying it's
entirely cynical, but any go ahead.
Speaker 3: In that article I sent you that I wrote recently,
I call this like they're entropic people when political capital,
when the ability to create political capital collapses and you're
left in this entropic state where you can't really create energy,
you try to just find any dopamine hit you can find,
and it's really what the what what Pete budd Gay
he is offering are our intrope trope entropic little bubbles
of energy feel like you're doing something when you're just
getting older and dying. You're not actually doing anything. You're
either a ghost ancer for dead people or just this
really like like a crab in a bucket. Crabs in
a bucket pulling people back down at an entropy. And
if you can manage to convince people that that's what
it is, if you can show away the bullshit that
they wrap it in and just show them wide eyes
wide open that it's just entropy. They'll never vote for
it again. The key is to make that clear, because
people will fall for it. They're that desperate. A large
amount of this country is that desperate that if Trump fails,
they will want to go with the Democrats, and that
will give them the political capital to destroy everyone like us.
They have to be exposed for the entropic people they are.
Speaker 1: Let me and I, you know, I think this is
going to be my final thoughts before or we go
into the super chats and and bring this ship home.
If anyone from the Trump administration or anyone who is
in the Trump administration or has a line to the
Trump administration, you know, Stephen Miller, if your listen, I
doubt he is. He's so busy he probably doesn't have time.
But if someone someone, anyone in our audience, Aaron Baron,
I don't, I don't, I don't care who. You have
to understand mhm, this is a meme at this point,
I don't know a better way to articulate it. You
don't know what time it is, or at least you're
not acting like you do. You're not acting like you do,
you are not moving fast enough, you are not moving
swift enough. You need to stop thinking about the midterms.
You need to stop thinking about, you know, getting a successor,
and in twenty twenty eight is none. You can't do
that because if you fail, if you fail, right, if
you fail, and no one else, no one else is
coming after you. You know, maybe within your own apparatus,
you might be able to establish some kind of Trumpian
resistance movement within some gops in some states, but it'll
be it'll be disjointed, because this is the problem with
cults of personality. Once the big man, once the leader
is gone, it shatters right. And so this is the thing.
You all, whoever is listening, or whoever can bring this
to the administration, they need to know. This is that.
And I give them the benefit of the doubt. But
if you do not permanently destroy the Democratic Party and
the left using state power, frankly, both within and without
your government, if you do not do that, they are
going to come back in twenty twenty eight or twenty
thirty two or twenty thirty six. They're patient, their patient.
You know, they've got money, they could figure it out.
They'll they'll shore up, they'll they'll they'll try to rebuild
a new political narrative. When they come back, we are
all going to be killed. We are all going to
be killed. The future of the Democratic Party is not
Gavin Newsom or Pete or whomever else. It is the
young activist class that is going to be handed the
keys to the kingdom because they're the only one there
to get it, and they are going to use it
to enact their ideological goals on the population that has
resisted them, on the population of this country. Middle Americans
fly over, whatever you want to call them, heritage, whatever,
white people is what they are going to affect it
on your base, your base who put you in the
White House that you built a cod on the backs
of those white evangelicals who cling to their guns and
their religion, put you in your administration in the White House.
And if you go away, there's no one protecting those
people anymore. The state will be weaponized in a blatant
and militant and violent fashion, and these people will be dispossessed.
They will be killed, they will be exiled from the country.
They will scatter, and this country will be gone. The
curtain of darkness will descend on the land, and it
will be unrecognizable, and it will I don't it will
never be the America that you love ever again. So
if you I don't know the models you're using, and
I don't know the data you're using, and I don't
know if maybe you've calculated that the military has enough
high level officers that they won't go with you, that
there will there is a very high likelihood of a
military coup on behalf of the Democratic Party, and that's
a threat. I understand that given the loyalties of certain
senior officials in the Pentagon. I understand that's a threat.
But you can beat them to the punch, And in
all honesty, it wouldn't surprise me if they're organizing one
right now. You know, it's it's it's it's it's it's
like Operation Blue in nineteen forty one. You know, if
you're not going to strike first, they will.
Speaker 3: You know, you bring up a good point. Elon Musk
did not ask to come back when his term expired
this week, and he has powerful friends. And if they
do not feel confident that this administration can do more,
then bitch on Twitter. They go to find some other
group to prop up with their money, and it will
be you and your midterms coming up, and again I
just have to say, you know, Elon must not our friend.
I don't like the things he pays for. But they're
going to start carving into your corpse of a party
if you don't man up. Bitching on Twitter that the
judges stopped you is not sufficient and powerful, wealthy elite
not in the Democrat Party or just as eager to
claw into the corpse of the GOP as the Democrats are.
And you will be left penniless and powerless at these
two ravens eating you alive.
Speaker 1: And then what's going to happen to us, your loyal
army of posters and signal boosters. And you know, I'm
going to probably speak for a little bit longer here.
When I was at the Old Glory Club conference, I'm
not going to name any names, but I'm going to
tell you the kind of people that were there, The
kind of people at this Old Glory Club conference are
the people who make this country run right. Layers, doctors,
junior officers in the military on off duty, of course,
but you know, cops, people who work in government, political
staffers on the state level, on the federal level, you know,
local government, people who are involved there, entrepreneurs, corporate executive,
sales guys, independently wealthy, basically the middle of the society, right,
the most dynamic aspect of the society, the people who
keep this country running on a day to day basis.
That is the kind of people who were there. It
is the best that the country has to offer. It
is the most civic minded, the most community minded. And
two thirds of them were affiliated with a chapter right
and the one third that wasn't is a great Many
of them are starting, are looking to get a filmed right,
What's going to happen to them? What's going to happen
to them? If this doesn't work, if the Left gets
back in, you know, what's going to happen to What's
going to happen to them? They're going to be like
the Kulaks in Ukraine, you know, or the Rhodesians or
the Boors in South Africa? Like like where but where
where is there? Where is there for them to go?
Where am I going to go? Am I going to
go to Argentina? Am i am I going to go
to Ireland? Am I going to go to Canada? Am
I going to go to Australia? Or New Zealand. Where
is there for me to go? Am I going to
die here in a country that isn't mine anymore that's
been taken from me? Is that what's going to have
to happen? Am I'm going to have to bury my son.
Speaker 4: Here?
Speaker 1: What you have to understand this is still directed to
anyone in the administration who was even tangentially connected, who
may be listening. You are our leaders, you are our chief,
and we stand ready to hear your call. We will
do what needs to be done. You found that out,
Let's just say, on a winner's on a winter's morning
a few years ago. You found that out. If you're
waiting for advanced term, you can't. You can't wait for
advanced term.
Speaker 4: You can't.
Speaker 1: You need to act now. We do not have time
to wait for advanced term. I'm i oscillate between we
have ten years and we have ten months. I the top.
The clock is ticking. The clock is ticking. I understand
it's only been five months, but the clock is ticking.
If you can't make these decisions and make good on them,
and you're just going to keep complaining on Twitter and
you're you're not going to just confront a rubicon moment
when it comes before you, then this country is gone.
So I'm going to uh cease speaking now, I.
Speaker 2: Sign off, And everything you just said, yep.
Speaker 3: It's it's the cruel reality of the cards you've been
played in the hour in which you decided to start playing.
It's not two thousand and four anymore. It's it's twenty
twenty five, and this country is falling apart, and it
is not going to stop falling apart if all you
can do is complain about it.
Speaker 1: I do not want to die here at the age
of you know, you know, let's say my late twenties.
I don't want to have to bury my son here
or my family here. I don't want to have to
I don't want to have to do that. You know,
if this were a normal world, I wouldn't even be here.
If this were a normal world, I'd be looking at
Captain right now, and I'd be happily serving, you know,
in Korea somewhere right If this were a normal world,
that's what I would be doing. You know, you would
have you know, I would be you know, I wouldn't
even question things.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's not that I wouldn't question things I but here I am,
and here the rest of us are all of you,
all four hundred and fifty of you who are still watching,
and you know, the the other two gentlemen who are
with me this evening. We're all here because things aren't normal,
and you're the only one right now, President Trump, you
are the only one right now who can fix things.
And if you can't do it, we're not going to
get a second chance. So don't wait to put vance in,
don't wait to put whomever in, don't The country is
going to die if you don't do something, So please
do something.
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: Anything else before we go to super chats?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's anything else to say.
Speaker 1: The super chaps will make the mood a bit more
upbeat before we end. All right, So starting back up
again where we left off, one hundred counts for ten
US dollars, Thank you, sir, he says. To Paul's point
about a political void post democrats, I believe it is
incumbent on us to see that as opportunity, one that
organizations like the OGC and their progeny should be preparing
to take advantage of. Well, the OGC is an explicitly
a political organization. However, we know very much an endorse
and support the civic engagement of all of our members
in chapters as individual citizens. So Son of Haster for
five dollars, he says, powerful panel tonight, Thank you, sir,
he says. My friends have started recognizing my username from
super chats even outside my chapter. Jay, you should just
join already. Well, Jay, if you are listening and you
know mister Son of Haster, you should join. And if
you don't, you're a chicken. So what you're going to
do with that anyway, mister Mellon for five US dollars,
Thank you, sir, he says. In other news, got a
new fruit tree in the ground yesterday, Thank you sir.
The Shire Building will or congratulations sir, Apologies I picked
the wrong default response. The Shire Building will continue in
between trips to make friends in the city. We need
both absolutely. As a matter of fact, that was one
of the speeches I think mister Allisimo had at the
event where he said that the cities are not lost
to us and efforts should be made to start reclaiming them,
and that certainly did create a buzz all right, seasider
for ten us dollars, He sends a salute, thank you, sir.
Jay Forte For ten dollars, he says, Paul, last time
I was on skyline drive hiking with my wife, we
ran into Indians everywhere playing music on speakerphones in the woods. Yeah,
it's they ruined just about everywhere they go.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: It's about that loud around them too. Don Browning sends
a twenty US dollars with a supersticker of a Samurai
cat waving a flag with number one written on it.
I like to think Don Browning puts a great deal
of a great deal of thought into the stickers that
she sends us. So thank you very much. You unfortunately
cannot join the Old Glory Club, but we're grateful for
your support. Thomas Wayne Riley, president of the newly constituted
New Mexico Chapter, if I remember correctly, sends this in
for fifteen US dollars. Thank you, sir. He says. Entrance
to National parks for non Americans should be Disney World
prices astronomical free for heritage Americans.
Speaker 2: So true.
Speaker 1: I did a whole episode on fixing the National Parks
on my show and got a hilarious review. Quote twr
is the reason that I would rather meet a bear
than a man in the in that country camping. So true,
so true, Well, thank you, sir. Next up hamm Rain
for nine dollars and ninety nine cents. He says, quote
how to count illegals? They say, census wrong? What means unquote? Yeah,
I agree. I mean I think, actually I've heard some
things I don't know if you gentlemen have heard, but
that the census is purposefully collected in such a way
as to mislead the actual reality of who's here, and
that the situation is actually much worse than we thought.
And actually that reminds me. This is a This is
a I know we're going over here, but I wanted
to put this in real quick. I was looking at
a data point for an unrelated personal study I was
doing about the ratio of men and women at a
marriageable age, like specifically like early late teens, early twenties,
mid twenties, which is marriageable age, and normally at that age,
the ratio of the United States or of almost every
society skews in favor of women because I think more
men are born than women slightly, but more women survive
to adulthood and to marriage age than men do even
at an early age. And I looked at the ratio
of you could say, military age for men, and it
was skewed in favor of men. And I just about
all out of my chair because that's like almost an
ironclad demographic rules. There's always more women than men at
that age and any in any given society. And so
many people had come into the country. That's immediately what
was connected. So many people have come into the country
that the ratio of men to women at marriage age
is skewed in favor of men.
Speaker 3: That's that's interesting.
Speaker 1: That that should scare the crap out of you.
Speaker 3: You know, I will say, I've seen evidence that that
why a lot of people are leaving willingly without being caught.
Speaker 1: I hope.
Speaker 3: So most housing projects where I live have paused. No
one's available to work on them. Most well, I'm most
like people. Wealthy people I know. I've heard them. Well, no,
I don't know them. Wealthy people I passed by in
the wealthy parts of Manhattan. I sometimes hear complaining that
their mechanic got deported, or their their gardener got deported,
or their chef got deported. The rich people with chefs
in their house. You know, the chef got deported and
oh oh, I phone, I could find a white person
to work as hard as that, because that they're that
kind of thinkers. I hear that in the grapevine, in
bars and little things in Manhattan where the rich people gather.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 3: I see evidence that it is picking up. Whether or
not these numbers.
Speaker 4: Are like.
Speaker 3: In in Trust, the Plan Utopia delusion. Maybe they're not
even reporting how many they're deporting. I don't know, but
there is tangential evidence that the numbers all are going
up in where I live, especially in the past two months.
I'm hopeful that trend continues.
Speaker 2: I hope so too.
Speaker 1: And Ope. You always say that there's an army here,
and I think there's not just one.
Speaker 2: All right, sure, Yeah, there's an army waiting waiting to
be led.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dynastic designs for five dollars, he says a Cascade
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Speaker 2: I don't know what. I don't know what na is
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Speaker 1: Well that I guess that tells you something. Thank you, sir.
Jonathan Hemingway for ten dollars, he says, the Summer of
Floyd was my radicalation moment. On another note, men of
Georgia joined the James Oglethorpe Society. James Oglethorpe is represented
this evening. Thank you, mister Hemingway, and thank you for
the super chat. Next up, Machiavelli sucks being white is great.
For four dollars and ninety nine cents. He says, the
white man needs not to take any more bed sheet.
I suppose, Thank you, sir. I'm very you know, very grateful,
and I completely agree the white man. The white man
cannot take any more any more of this, and he
needs to he needs to do something.
Speaker 2: But we will see.
Speaker 1: Next up for twenty dollars. Mister la Vendez, he says, Man,
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Fellas or God's speed fellas. Excuse me, Thank you, sir.
I'm very grateful. You know I'm good at talking. Another
one for fifteen dollars from Thomas Wayne Riley. He said,
we must win. My one month old can't afford the alternative.
Great episode. I completely agree, sir. We have to. We
have no other choice. Thank you, sir. And then, last
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I don't recognize your screen name, but I'm sure I
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thank you for your donation. I'm very grateful. All right.
That sums it up. So I think we've all said
everything we need to say. Pete, you have anything to.
Speaker 2: Shill the show? Pete substack dot com. That's it.
Speaker 1: Excellent. Grinji, you got anything to shill?
Speaker 3: I wrote something for substack. They've Dave seemed to like it.
Speaker 1: He said it was decent.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you said that.
Speaker 3: He retweeted he restacked it in substack. So my substack
is is I'm getting more active there as I depart
from the Twitter slops sphere. I'm writing two more articles,
hopefully be done with in a week or two on
the things I mentioned here. That's about it.
Speaker 1: All right, excellent, all right, thank you very much. Don't
have nothing to shill. I don't do anything anymore except
support the Old Glory Club, Join the Old Glory Club.
Get involved with the Old Glory Club. The Old Glory
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can go to the chapter's page. We have I think
twenty seven chapters now in almost as many states. I think,
actually the numbers up because we approved a few more recently.
Most recent chapters that were approved I think were the
Maryland and New Mexico chapters, so if you're in Maryland
or New Mexico, try to get involved with them. Otherwise.
I don't know if they're on the website yet, but
we'll update it. Otherwise, get involved, get involved the Old
Glory Club, support this country, get involved with your community,
and civically engage. That's all I got to say. So
thank you all very much for joining us this evening.
Thank you to mister Dave the distributors for joining us,
Thank you mister Pete and mister L. F. Templar for
joining us as always. And I hope you all have
a very good evening. God bless you.