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<v Speaker 1>Callaroga Shark Media. Hey there, I'm Jenny Meck with your

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<v Speaker 1>daily comedy news. Friend of the show, Jason Zinnemon, he

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<v Speaker 1>writes for The New York Times. He was really writing

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<v Speaker 1>about Mark Meron, but I was really interested in the

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Zinneman part of the article. Jason wrote. When I

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<v Speaker 1>got the job as the comedy columnist for The New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times, I prepared by talking to people in the industry,

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<v Speaker 1>reading as many books as I could, attending myriad shows,

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<v Speaker 1>and listening to every episode of Maren's podcast. Spending time

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<v Speaker 1>with him was by far the most useful. Now, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>jump in there, I personally have taken a different route,

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<v Speaker 1>going all the way back to when I first started

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<v Speaker 1>running comedy for serious satellite radio twenty years ago. Now, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I pretty quickly decided to take an eye level approach,

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<v Speaker 1>so to talk more. In modern parlance, say more Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Gaffigan and less I don't know, so will say one

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<v Speaker 1>of the new faces or somebody who's lesser known. And

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<v Speaker 1>that approach informed how I programmed the comedy channels back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day with more of a hits format. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day, it was Dane Cook and Jeff Dunham

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<v Speaker 1>were super popular, and then along the way you bring

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<v Speaker 1>the audience along by sprinkling in newer faces. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>how I try and handle this show. If you listen

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<v Speaker 1>every day, you'll hear how it's structured. And I always

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<v Speaker 1>try to lead with names. What we're in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of now ostensibly is a Mark Maron story. He's a name,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I do the esoteric stuff like the fringe

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<v Speaker 1>in the second half. But back to Maren and Zinneman,

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<v Speaker 1>Zinewin writes, it's not just that Maren's podcast is a

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<v Speaker 1>superb oral history of the art form, or that his

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<v Speaker 1>conversations can be insightful. I specially savor the discussions with

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<v Speaker 1>less famous peers who share a history. The most important

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<v Speaker 1>thing I learned from Maren's podcast is the art of interviewing.

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<v Speaker 1>Maren has two unusual tactics for a celebrity interviewer, going

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<v Speaker 1>on the attack and becoming widely introspective, often in the

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<v Speaker 1>same conversation. He attacks by introducing a bone to pick

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<v Speaker 1>to create conflict and seeing how his guest response. When

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<v Speaker 1>I went on show in twenty seventeen, this is in

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<v Speaker 1>him and he did this by taking issue with a

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<v Speaker 1>column I wrote on Lenny Bruce. Not only did it

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<v Speaker 1>force me to think aloud become more present, it also

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<v Speaker 1>gave the conversation a shape, injecting dissension that may or

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<v Speaker 1>may not be resolved. It's why Maren often ends his

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<v Speaker 1>podcast with the phrase that is the title of a

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<v Speaker 1>new documentary about him. Are we good? I am starting

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<v Speaker 1>to stress. This is John speaking that Maren's podcast is ending.

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<v Speaker 1>I have started filling my phone with back episodes. I

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<v Speaker 1>worry that they'll disappear or go behind some sort of paywalls.

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<v Speaker 1>I've just been scrolling some away. Jason writes. Maren is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the few comics whose podcasting has made him

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<v Speaker 1>a better stand up. I put the spin on the

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<v Speaker 1>word better there, precisely because he's integrated this double focus

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the outside world through himself into his specials.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike most podcasters, Maren refused to pivot to video. It's

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<v Speaker 1>why when he announced his retirement, my first thought went

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<v Speaker 1>to a book by another highly respected cerebral comedian, Fred

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<v Speaker 1>Allen Titan of the Golden Age of Radio. Fred described

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<v Speaker 1>how the move to television robed the essential part of

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<v Speaker 1>the imaginative work of the listen he predicted it would

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<v Speaker 1>ruin comedy. Unlike his rival Jack Benny Alan never made

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<v Speaker 1>the transition and faded from memory. Jason points out, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the shift from radio to TV did not ruin comedy,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't mean that something precious wasn't lost, or

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<v Speaker 1>that the new world is always better. Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>any idea how innovative, talent rich, and brilliant radio comedy

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<v Speaker 1>was in the thirties and forties? Probably not. I agree

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<v Speaker 1>with him there now, I personally do not only that

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<v Speaker 1>I program the comedy channels at times, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>had two stints as the program director of Radio Classics

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<v Speaker 1>on Serious Slash Serious XM, so I'm probably a little

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<v Speaker 1>more educated than most in that subject. Continuing to pick

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<v Speaker 1>away at Bill Burr's appearance on the Good One podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a very very interesting interview, but was getting

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<v Speaker 1>a little feisty. Good One said, you appeared at the

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<v Speaker 1>Conan O'Brien Mark Twain Price ceremony. Yes, I did. What

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<v Speaker 1>was that experience like? Terrifying? Not given much there, Bill,

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta have more than one word answers, dude. So

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<v Speaker 1>Vulture followed it up in what way set of shadaway

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<v Speaker 1>from doing those things because I think I find a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the chop busting I do staying in a

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<v Speaker 1>protective place. So if I actually have to go out

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<v Speaker 1>and say something nice about somebody, I get uncomfortable or

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<v Speaker 1>emotional or something. But I knew it was something I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to continue to be asked to do, and

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<v Speaker 1>I jumped at the opportunity when they asked me, because

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<v Speaker 1>I need to get better at it, said, I'll tell you, though,

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<v Speaker 1>howd I know John mulaney was gonna open up and

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<v Speaker 1>kill that hard? I would have turned down the gig.

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<v Speaker 1>He's unbelievable in general, but how good is he at

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<v Speaker 1>these things? I remember U sitting next to Sarah Silverman.

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<v Speaker 1>She had to go on too. I'm like, what the f?

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<v Speaker 1>They don't need us. I didn't need to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I started freaking out. Then Will Ferrell went on. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like the twenty seven Yankee is a comedy and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm that guy you don't remember from the team. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite things I ever did because I

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<v Speaker 1>was so afraid to do it and it went well. Bill,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think you'll ever receive the Mark Twain perrize.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not one of those guys, which guys A list? Guy,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want any stuff. I really don't you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I really want when I walk down the street.

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<v Speaker 1>When people from different walks of life go ay man,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate what you're doing. Oh, I liked your special

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<v Speaker 1>I like saying in the crowd, like when I go

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<v Speaker 1>to sporting event, I want to get good seats, But

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<v Speaker 1>the closer you get to it, the choir gets and

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<v Speaker 1>less funny gets. I was always like mezzanine level. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be up there with binoculars and young

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<v Speaker 1>people paraphrasing. But I like the mid we're the alcohol intake,

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<v Speaker 1>the view, everything looks mid whatever, the second coloro seats,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I like. Chrissy from Q ninety seven point

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<v Speaker 1>nine Radio told a great story about TJ Miller. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>TJ agreed to fly to Maine and accept Chrissy's beer

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<v Speaker 1>pong challenge. Chrissy had tagged at TJ on social media

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<v Speaker 1>to challenge him to beer pong. DJ went up and

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<v Speaker 1>did it, told Chrissy, this is the coolest radio interview

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever done. Thanks for being fun, and then said

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<v Speaker 1>all right, let's go get another drink on a lobster

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<v Speaker 1>roll I'm in Maine. We have to go eat lob

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<v Speaker 1>rolls immediately. Chrissy says, there I am with TJ as

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<v Speaker 1>manager in our lobster rolls before noon, when we continued

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<v Speaker 1>the adventure of visiting every dive bar on the wharf,

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<v Speaker 1>Portown Public House, three dollars, Duey's Commercial Street Pub and

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<v Speaker 1>so many more. DJ said main as chill. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>very viby state. Reminds me of Colorado, and Colorado's my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite state. Like beat you so hard in pong dude,

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<v Speaker 1>Grassie said, I'm never drinking again. Thanks for a great time. TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Nish Kumar spoke to Yahoo Canada about social media and comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>Kumar is pro saying it has helped the comedy festival industry,

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<v Speaker 1>saying I think the Internet is sort of supercharging these

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<v Speaker 1>things rather than taking away from them. A British comedian

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<v Speaker 1>of my standing twenty years ago wouldn't have been able

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<v Speaker 1>to casually come to Canada and America and sell out

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<v Speaker 1>tour shows that didn't exist. It's only because of the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet and podcasting and task masters specifically. I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of negatives it has for our industry and

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<v Speaker 1>the art form more broadly, but from a perspective of

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<v Speaker 1>getting people to come to shows and live comedy and festivals,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's actually really helped. He does say having

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to see what every single person thinks of

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<v Speaker 1>you can at points be paralyzing, and I've definitely gone

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<v Speaker 1>in waves with it. I don't want to praise him ever,

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<v Speaker 1>but the one thing I will say is Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 1>buying Twitter has been really great for me because it

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<v Speaker 1>means I've stopped using it. It's like a reverse Raiders

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<v Speaker 1>of the Lost arc where he opened this box and

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<v Speaker 1>Nazis went everywhere, and I think that made a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of us examine our relationship with it. Is this all

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<v Speaker 1>part of a long game for Elon Musk's attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>improve all our mental health? No, definitely isn't. Billboard ask

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<v Speaker 1>Sebastian Manaskalka how much longer he will tour the current tour,

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<v Speaker 1>the eight Ain't Right tour. Sebastian said, the arena a

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<v Speaker 1>phase of the tour is over. What's left is a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of casinos between now and the end of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we'll put this to bed. It's been a

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<v Speaker 1>great run. I think we did eighty six shows over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of eight months. It was the best time

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<v Speaker 1>ever had on a tour. I brought two of my

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<v Speaker 1>good friends, Pat McGahn and Pete Corielli their headliners. In

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<v Speaker 1>their own regard, I have my best friend John PETRELLI

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<v Speaker 1>used my security come with us, and we've really enjoyed

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<v Speaker 1>every city in the past, I do the show, sleep

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<v Speaker 1>and go to the next venue. This time I enjoyed

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<v Speaker 1>going out to different restaurants. Golfer, what have you? Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Fallon giving Jay Lenos some cover. It looks like Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Fallon is now the worst person in the world because

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<v Speaker 1>he did not grill his guest Greg Guttfeld on Thursday

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<v Speaker 1>nights at Tonight Show. They didn't get into politics. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they got into the Gutfeld of it all.

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<v Speaker 1>Greg came by and told a story about meeting Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Fallon fifteen years ago in a quote illegal speakeasy in

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<v Speaker 1>Hell's Kitchen. He explains, we were wasted inside. It looked

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<v Speaker 1>like a place where Special Ops forces waterboard terrorists. Gutfeld said.

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<v Speaker 1>Fallon and his buddy were wrestling before Jimmy ripped a

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<v Speaker 1>cigarette out of his hand. And then he felt bad

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<v Speaker 1>and bought him a new pack. Then they all went

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<v Speaker 1>to another bar. Jimmy Fallon didn't seem to remember this

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<v Speaker 1>and said it definitely happened. Gottfeld talked about how he

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<v Speaker 1>to host Redeye. As for Redeye, said everybody was drunk,

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<v Speaker 1>even the cameraman at airs at two am, but they

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<v Speaker 1>felt it was too edgy for two am, so they

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<v Speaker 1>moved it to three am. As for Colbert, George Cheeks

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<v Speaker 1>is the new boss over at Skydan, CBS, Paramount, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you guys are calling it, I don't care. Cheeks explained,

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<v Speaker 1>the challenge in Late Night is that the advertising marketplace

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<v Speaker 1>is in significant secular decline. We're huge fans of Colbert,

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<v Speaker 1>we love the show. Unfortunately the economics made a challenge

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<v Speaker 1>for us to keep going. Now, listen to this and

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of got into this yesterday with Mike Chisholm

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<v Speaker 1>as we talked about Late Night for over an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Cheeks said, as soon as Taylor Tomlinson nicks the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of continuing a host after midnight, it became clear

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<v Speaker 1>the network couldn't stay in that day part. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is I floated this theory before, and it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm right. Did Taylor Tomlinson accidentally get Colbert canceled? I

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<v Speaker 1>think so. I'm not saying it's Taylor's fault. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>blaming Taylor, but I think that's what happened. Cheeks also

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<v Speaker 1>commented about the timing, saying we were at a period

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<v Speaker 1>from a production standpoint where every year, seasonally, this is

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<v Speaker 1>when we negotiate new deals for writers and producers. In addition,

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to be the third season of Colbert's

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<v Speaker 1>three year deals, so in order to do these deals,

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<v Speaker 1>we were gonna have to change the terms from what

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<v Speaker 1>It's Sunday, It's fun. On gossip Corner, people are wondering

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<v Speaker 1>on Insta shared a photo she was with her longtime

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<v Speaker 1>caption was cat's out of the bag. Hearts emoji. HM.

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<v Speaker 1>congrats if you were up in Jamestown, New York at

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<v Speaker 1>the Lucille Ball Comedy Festival. James Austin Johnson is coming

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<v Speaker 1>by today for Inside Saturday Night Live. He replaces Mikey Day,

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<v Speaker 1>Bo and Yang will be honored at the fifth Annual

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<v Speaker 1>Academy Museum Fundraising Gala. Also being honored Bruce Springsteen and

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<v Speaker 1>Vantage Award, which honors artists who challenge dominant narratives in cinema. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he known for like Las culturistas Okay. Deadlines spoke to

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<v Speaker 1>people talk all the time in the entertainment industry about

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<v Speaker 1>how hard it is to let yourself celebrate, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>People say, now, you have to let yourself really soak

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<v Speaker 1>I used to give to my staff and now I

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<v Speaker 1>give to my children. When you have a good day,

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<v Speaker 1>to celebrate, take a minute and enjoy it. Not every

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<v Speaker 1>many years it felt like a defeat not to get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this is the first year I've ever had a

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<v Speaker 1>first year that I've been a WGA nominated writer. It's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the perfect year to have gotten it. That's great.

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<v Speaker 1>The Guardian took a look at the fringe. Molly McGuinness

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<v Speaker 1>Town and Jessica Barton as Mary Floppin's Molly McGinnis's show

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<v Speaker 1>Simple Town. They're out of the US. They make short

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<v Speaker 1>the absurdity of online content. That sounds fun. They're at

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<v Speaker 1>the Pleasants Courtyard through the twenty fourth. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>case you're in Edinburgh. Until the twenty fourth, The Guardian

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<v Speaker 1>her stand out on any lineup, says The Guardian, despite

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<v Speaker 1>at everything as if I'm on safari. Spicy punchlines on

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<v Speaker 1>Roder O'Sullivan from Ireland explores his relationship with his farmer

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest of Young Roger's favorite PlayStation games. I

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<v Speaker 1>dot UK caught up with Dylan Adler, who's at the

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<v Speaker 1>escaped Alcatraz, and honestly, that sums it up pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>My show is an hour of high energy musical comedy,

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<v Speaker 1>the Pleasants Beside until August twenty fourth, but not on

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna be there why, I don't know. And that,

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<v Speaker 1>my Friends, is your comedy news for today. If you'd

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<v Speaker 1>and Today's Sundays Sunday's the big drop Day. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>Alligator Alcatraz. That's my current fave paranormal aliens. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>caught this guy James? He's crazy. He thinks the aliens

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<v Speaker 1>But you don't have to sit through the commercials. Nice right,

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