Speaker 1: Callaroga Shark Media. Hey there, I'm Jenny Meck with your
Speaker 1: daily comedy news. Friend of the show, Jason Zinnemon, he
Speaker 1: writes for The New York Times. He was really writing
Speaker 1: about Mark Meron, but I was really interested in the
Speaker 1: Jason Zinneman part of the article. Jason wrote. When I
Speaker 1: got the job as the comedy columnist for The New
Speaker 1: York Times, I prepared by talking to people in the industry,
Speaker 1: reading as many books as I could, attending myriad shows,
Speaker 1: and listening to every episode of Maren's podcast. Spending time
Speaker 1: with him was by far the most useful. Now, I'll
Speaker 1: jump in there, I personally have taken a different route,
Speaker 1: going all the way back to when I first started
Speaker 1: running comedy for serious satellite radio twenty years ago. Now, wow,
Speaker 1: I pretty quickly decided to take an eye level approach,
Speaker 1: so to talk more. In modern parlance, say more Jim
Speaker 1: Gaffigan and less I don't know, so will say one
Speaker 1: of the new faces or somebody who's lesser known. And
Speaker 1: that approach informed how I programmed the comedy channels back
Speaker 1: in the day with more of a hits format. Back
Speaker 1: in the day, it was Dane Cook and Jeff Dunham
Speaker 1: were super popular, and then along the way you bring
Speaker 1: the audience along by sprinkling in newer faces. And that's
Speaker 1: how I try and handle this show. If you listen
Speaker 1: every day, you'll hear how it's structured. And I always
Speaker 1: try to lead with names. What we're in the middle
Speaker 1: of now ostensibly is a Mark Maron story. He's a name,
Speaker 1: and then I do the esoteric stuff like the fringe
Speaker 1: in the second half. But back to Maren and Zinneman,
Speaker 1: Zinewin writes, it's not just that Maren's podcast is a
Speaker 1: superb oral history of the art form, or that his
Speaker 1: conversations can be insightful. I specially savor the discussions with
Speaker 1: less famous peers who share a history. The most important
Speaker 1: thing I learned from Maren's podcast is the art of interviewing.
Speaker 1: Maren has two unusual tactics for a celebrity interviewer, going
Speaker 1: on the attack and becoming widely introspective, often in the
Speaker 1: same conversation. He attacks by introducing a bone to pick
Speaker 1: to create conflict and seeing how his guest response. When
Speaker 1: I went on show in twenty seventeen, this is in
Speaker 1: him and he did this by taking issue with a
Speaker 1: column I wrote on Lenny Bruce. Not only did it
Speaker 1: force me to think aloud become more present, it also
Speaker 1: gave the conversation a shape, injecting dissension that may or
Speaker 1: may not be resolved. It's why Maren often ends his
Speaker 1: podcast with the phrase that is the title of a
Speaker 1: new documentary about him. Are we good? I am starting
Speaker 1: to stress. This is John speaking that Maren's podcast is ending.
Speaker 1: I have started filling my phone with back episodes. I
Speaker 1: worry that they'll disappear or go behind some sort of paywalls.
Speaker 1: I've just been scrolling some away. Jason writes. Maren is
Speaker 1: one of the few comics whose podcasting has made him
Speaker 1: a better stand up. I put the spin on the
Speaker 1: word better there, precisely because he's integrated this double focus
Speaker 1: looking at the outside world through himself into his specials.
Speaker 1: Unlike most podcasters, Maren refused to pivot to video. It's
Speaker 1: why when he announced his retirement, my first thought went
Speaker 1: to a book by another highly respected cerebral comedian, Fred
Speaker 1: Allen Titan of the Golden Age of Radio. Fred described
Speaker 1: how the move to television robed the essential part of
Speaker 1: the imaginative work of the listen he predicted it would
Speaker 1: ruin comedy. Unlike his rival Jack Benny Alan never made
Speaker 1: the transition and faded from memory. Jason points out, of course,
Speaker 1: the shift from radio to TV did not ruin comedy,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean that something precious wasn't lost, or
Speaker 1: that the new world is always better. Do you have
Speaker 1: any idea how innovative, talent rich, and brilliant radio comedy
Speaker 1: was in the thirties and forties? Probably not. I agree
Speaker 1: with him there now, I personally do not only that
Speaker 1: I program the comedy channels at times, I think I
Speaker 1: had two stints as the program director of Radio Classics
Speaker 1: on Serious Slash Serious XM, so I'm probably a little
Speaker 1: more educated than most in that subject. Continuing to pick
Speaker 1: away at Bill Burr's appearance on the Good One podcast.
Speaker 1: That was a very very interesting interview, but was getting
Speaker 1: a little feisty. Good One said, you appeared at the
Speaker 1: Conan O'Brien Mark Twain Price ceremony. Yes, I did. What
Speaker 1: was that experience like? Terrifying? Not given much there, Bill,
Speaker 1: You gotta have more than one word answers, dude. So
Speaker 1: Vulture followed it up in what way set of shadaway
Speaker 1: from doing those things because I think I find a
Speaker 1: lot of the chop busting I do staying in a
Speaker 1: protective place. So if I actually have to go out
Speaker 1: and say something nice about somebody, I get uncomfortable or
Speaker 1: emotional or something. But I knew it was something I
Speaker 1: was going to continue to be asked to do, and
Speaker 1: I jumped at the opportunity when they asked me, because
Speaker 1: I need to get better at it, said, I'll tell you, though,
Speaker 1: howd I know John mulaney was gonna open up and
Speaker 1: kill that hard? I would have turned down the gig.
Speaker 1: He's unbelievable in general, but how good is he at
Speaker 1: these things? I remember U sitting next to Sarah Silverman.
Speaker 1: She had to go on too. I'm like, what the f?
Speaker 1: They don't need us. I didn't need to be here.
Speaker 1: I started freaking out. Then Will Ferrell went on. It
Speaker 1: was like the twenty seven Yankee is a comedy and
Speaker 1: I'm that guy you don't remember from the team. It's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things I ever did because I
Speaker 1: was so afraid to do it and it went well. Bill,
Speaker 1: do you think you'll ever receive the Mark Twain perrize.
Speaker 1: I'm not one of those guys, which guys A list? Guy,
Speaker 1: I don't want any stuff. I really don't you know
Speaker 1: what I really want when I walk down the street.
Speaker 1: When people from different walks of life go ay man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate what you're doing. Oh, I liked your special
Speaker 1: I like saying in the crowd, like when I go
Speaker 1: to sporting event, I want to get good seats, But
Speaker 1: the closer you get to it, the choir gets and
Speaker 1: less funny gets. I was always like mezzanine level. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be up there with binoculars and young
Speaker 1: people paraphrasing. But I like the mid we're the alcohol intake,
Speaker 1: the view, everything looks mid whatever, the second coloro seats,
Speaker 1: that's what I like. Chrissy from Q ninety seven point
Speaker 1: nine Radio told a great story about TJ Miller. Apparently
Speaker 1: TJ agreed to fly to Maine and accept Chrissy's beer
Speaker 1: pong challenge. Chrissy had tagged at TJ on social media
Speaker 1: to challenge him to beer pong. DJ went up and
Speaker 1: did it, told Chrissy, this is the coolest radio interview
Speaker 1: I've ever done. Thanks for being fun, and then said
Speaker 1: all right, let's go get another drink on a lobster
Speaker 1: roll I'm in Maine. We have to go eat lob
Speaker 1: rolls immediately. Chrissy says, there I am with TJ as
Speaker 1: manager in our lobster rolls before noon, when we continued
Speaker 1: the adventure of visiting every dive bar on the wharf,
Speaker 1: Portown Public House, three dollars, Duey's Commercial Street Pub and
Speaker 1: so many more. DJ said main as chill. It's a
Speaker 1: very viby state. Reminds me of Colorado, and Colorado's my
Speaker 1: favorite state. Like beat you so hard in pong dude,
Speaker 1: Grassie said, I'm never drinking again. Thanks for a great time. TJ.
Speaker 1: Nish Kumar spoke to Yahoo Canada about social media and comedy.
Speaker 1: Kumar is pro saying it has helped the comedy festival industry,
Speaker 1: saying I think the Internet is sort of supercharging these
Speaker 1: things rather than taking away from them. A British comedian
Speaker 1: of my standing twenty years ago wouldn't have been able
Speaker 1: to casually come to Canada and America and sell out
Speaker 1: tour shows that didn't exist. It's only because of the
Speaker 1: Internet and podcasting and task masters specifically. I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of negatives it has for our industry and
Speaker 1: the art form more broadly, but from a perspective of
Speaker 1: getting people to come to shows and live comedy and festivals,
Speaker 1: I think it's actually really helped. He does say having
Speaker 1: the ability to see what every single person thinks of
Speaker 1: you can at points be paralyzing, and I've definitely gone
Speaker 1: in waves with it. I don't want to praise him ever,
Speaker 1: but the one thing I will say is Elon Musk
Speaker 1: buying Twitter has been really great for me because it
Speaker 1: means I've stopped using it. It's like a reverse Raiders
Speaker 1: of the Lost arc where he opened this box and
Speaker 1: Nazis went everywhere, and I think that made a lot
Speaker 1: of us examine our relationship with it. Is this all
Speaker 1: part of a long game for Elon Musk's attempt to
Speaker 1: improve all our mental health? No, definitely isn't. Billboard ask
Speaker 1: Sebastian Manaskalka how much longer he will tour the current tour,
Speaker 1: the eight Ain't Right tour. Sebastian said, the arena a
Speaker 1: phase of the tour is over. What's left is a
Speaker 1: lot of casinos between now and the end of the year,
Speaker 1: and then we'll put this to bed. It's been a
Speaker 1: great run. I think we did eighty six shows over
Speaker 1: the course of eight months. It was the best time
Speaker 1: ever had on a tour. I brought two of my
Speaker 1: good friends, Pat McGahn and Pete Corielli their headliners. In
Speaker 1: their own regard, I have my best friend John PETRELLI
Speaker 1: used my security come with us, and we've really enjoyed
Speaker 1: every city in the past, I do the show, sleep
Speaker 1: and go to the next venue. This time I enjoyed
Speaker 1: going out to different restaurants. Golfer, what have you? Jimmy
Speaker 1: Fallon giving Jay Lenos some cover. It looks like Jimmy
Speaker 1: Fallon is now the worst person in the world because
Speaker 1: he did not grill his guest Greg Guttfeld on Thursday
Speaker 1: nights at Tonight Show. They didn't get into politics. I
Speaker 1: don't think they got into the Gutfeld of it all.
Speaker 1: Greg came by and told a story about meeting Jimmy
Speaker 1: Fallon fifteen years ago in a quote illegal speakeasy in
Speaker 1: Hell's Kitchen. He explains, we were wasted inside. It looked
Speaker 1: like a place where Special Ops forces waterboard terrorists. Gutfeld said.
Speaker 1: Fallon and his buddy were wrestling before Jimmy ripped a
Speaker 1: cigarette out of his hand. And then he felt bad
Speaker 1: and bought him a new pack. Then they all went
Speaker 1: to another bar. Jimmy Fallon didn't seem to remember this
Speaker 1: and said it definitely happened. Gottfeld talked about how he
Speaker 1: got his current show, which he got because he used
Speaker 1: to host Redeye. As for Redeye, said everybody was drunk,
Speaker 1: even the cameraman at airs at two am, but they
Speaker 1: felt it was too edgy for two am, so they
Speaker 1: moved it to three am. As for Colbert, George Cheeks
Speaker 1: is the new boss over at Skydan, CBS, Paramount, whatever
Speaker 1: you guys are calling it, I don't care. Cheeks explained,
Speaker 1: the challenge in Late Night is that the advertising marketplace
Speaker 1: is in significant secular decline. We're huge fans of Colbert,
Speaker 1: we love the show. Unfortunately the economics made a challenge
Speaker 1: for us to keep going. Now, listen to this and
Speaker 1: I kind of got into this yesterday with Mike Chisholm
Speaker 1: as we talked about Late Night for over an hour.
Speaker 1: Mister Cheeks said, as soon as Taylor Tomlinson nicks the
Speaker 1: idea of continuing a host after midnight, it became clear
Speaker 1: the network couldn't stay in that day part. So this
Speaker 1: is I floated this theory before, and it looks like
Speaker 1: I'm right. Did Taylor Tomlinson accidentally get Colbert canceled? I
Speaker 1: think so. I'm not saying it's Taylor's fault. I'm not
Speaker 1: blaming Taylor, but I think that's what happened. Cheeks also
Speaker 1: commented about the timing, saying we were at a period
Speaker 1: from a production standpoint where every year, seasonally, this is
Speaker 1: when we negotiate new deals for writers and producers. In addition,
Speaker 1: this is going to be the third season of Colbert's
Speaker 1: three year deals, so in order to do these deals,
Speaker 1: we were gonna have to change the terms from what
Speaker 1: they traditionally are September to August to September to May.
Speaker 1: It was incumbent upon me to make it clear to
Speaker 1: Steven and his reps that's where we are. Gossip Connor
Speaker 1: whispers in the street, Gossip Conn, probably MAPI, gossip Conn
Speaker 1: away the Rumors meet with Johnny Mac. It's always a tree.
Speaker 1: Gossip Connor whispersiness Tree, Gossip Conn probably Gossip Cone where
Speaker 1: the rooms meet with Johnny Macs. All in the trees?
Speaker 1: Isn't that damn catchy? AI generated that? Isn't that pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forgot about this part. You'll be singing
Speaker 1: it later. May have to trim that a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's Sunday, It's fun. On gossip Corner, people are wondering
Speaker 1: did Tiffany Adish have a baby? Here's why she went
Speaker 1: on Insta shared a photo she was with her longtime
Speaker 1: friend Jason Lee and they held a baby, and the
Speaker 1: caption was cat's out of the bag. Hearts emoji. HM.
Speaker 1: Tiffany has not commented further. No one knows. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: congrats if you were up in Jamestown, New York at
Speaker 1: the Lucille Ball Comedy Festival. James Austin Johnson is coming
Speaker 1: by today for Inside Saturday Night Live. He replaces Mikey Day,
Speaker 1: who was originally scheduled to appear. Mikey has a personal matter.
Speaker 1: Bo and Yang will be honored at the fifth Annual
Speaker 1: Academy Museum Fundraising Gala. Also being honored Bruce Springsteen and
Speaker 1: some other has been elop the Cruz. She gets the
Speaker 1: Icon Award, Bruce gets the Legacy Award. Bowen gets the
Speaker 1: Vantage Award, which honors artists who challenge dominant narratives in cinema. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean love bo and Yang. But is that what
Speaker 1: he's known for challenging dominant narratives in cinema or is
Speaker 1: he known for like Las culturistas Okay. Deadlines spoke to
Speaker 1: some of jfl's new faces and ask them what it
Speaker 1: meant to make new faces. Chloe Radcliffe said, this has
Speaker 1: been the most genuinely, plainly excited that I've been for
Speaker 1: a thing in a really long time. It's funny because
Speaker 1: people talk all the time in the entertainment industry about
Speaker 1: how hard it is to let yourself celebrate, and it's
Speaker 1: hard to know when to celebrate, and so many people
Speaker 1: put off celebrating because they don't want to jink something,
Speaker 1: or because it's just one step but a bigger process.
Speaker 1: People say, now, you have to let yourself really soak
Speaker 1: in the winds, even if they're little, and it's just
Speaker 1: hard to internalize that. That has always been advice that
Speaker 1: I used to give to my staff and now I
Speaker 1: give to my children. When you have a good day,
Speaker 1: when you have the victory, when you have the thing
Speaker 1: to celebrate, take a minute and enjoy it. Not every
Speaker 1: day in this journey of life is awesome. When you
Speaker 1: get a good one, enjoy it. Colly said, for so
Speaker 1: many years it felt like a defeat not to get it.
Speaker 1: Now this is the first year I've ever had a
Speaker 1: role in a major studio movie. This is the first
Speaker 1: year I've ever had a TV deal. Is this the
Speaker 1: first year that I've been a WGA nominated writer. It's
Speaker 1: sort of the perfect year to have gotten it. That's great.
Speaker 1: The Guardian took a look at the fringe. Molly McGuinness
Speaker 1: is treating audiences to a buffet the sketch troop Simple
Speaker 1: Town and Jessica Barton as Mary Floppin's Molly McGinnis's show
Speaker 1: is called Slob and Molly says there should be a
Speaker 1: buffet at every comedy gig, and she is doing that
Speaker 1: Simple Town. They're out of the US. They make short
Speaker 1: films where everyday conundrums like what is the meaning of
Speaker 1: a droit, what happens if you're late for a funeral,
Speaker 1: escalate to extremes, or to send into meta narratives about
Speaker 1: the absurdity of online content. That sounds fun. They're at
Speaker 1: the Pleasants Courtyard through the twenty fourth. If you want
Speaker 1: the buff I forgot to tell you. That's at Monkey
Speaker 1: Barrel through the twenty fourth. Australian Jessica Barton's show is
Speaker 1: Dirty Work. She got her first taste of comedy at
Speaker 1: a French clown school and began messing around using song
Speaker 1: and movement, physical comedy and clowning. Her character Floppins, who
Speaker 1: is you know, not quite Mary Poppins is intent on
Speaker 1: cleaning up the stage. That's fun. That's at Underbelly colgating
Speaker 1: case you're in Edinburgh. Until the twenty fourth, The Guardian
Speaker 1: was excited about Ayoada bem Goboe. Ayad's show is called
Speaker 1: Swings and Roundabouts. Her short presence and sideways perspectives make
Speaker 1: her stand out on any lineup, says The Guardian, despite
Speaker 1: only doing this for three years. She says, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at everything as if I'm on safari. Spicy punchlines on
Speaker 1: racism and colonialism, but audiences should expect something bittersweet, okay.
Speaker 1: Sharon wan Johe in the House her fringe debut. Her
Speaker 1: show is about self help culture and the zeitgeisty coping
Speaker 1: mechanisms that are shoved down our throats. As I'm presenting
Speaker 1: myself as this nineties talk show host in the mold
Speaker 1: of Tricia and Oprah Pleasants Courtyard through the twenty fourth
Speaker 1: rodro O'Sullivan's Feckin' fe kk e n Americans will just
Speaker 1: roll past that word. The Irish are grabbing their ears.
Speaker 1: Roder O'Sullivan from Ireland explores his relationship with his farmer
Speaker 1: father via techn oh I see what you did there
Speaker 1: and the rest of Young Roger's favorite PlayStation games. I
Speaker 1: like it at the Apex until the twenty third voicemag
Speaker 1: dot UK caught up with Dylan Adler, who's at the
Speaker 1: Fringe one of the new faces too. Dylan says, my
Speaker 1: energy has been described before as theater kid who just
Speaker 1: escaped Alcatraz, and honestly, that sums it up pretty well.
Speaker 1: My show is an hour of high energy musical comedy,
Speaker 1: joke storytelling and a single backflip. I talk about having
Speaker 1: an identical gay twin brother, my Japanese grandpa who signed
Speaker 1: up to be a Kamakazi pilot, mental health issues, and
Speaker 1: getting bullied by kids who were shorter than me. The
Speaker 1: show is musical theater kid chaos. I caught him up
Speaker 1: at Montreal. He was the closer on the second show
Speaker 1: that I saw, and he did some material about his
Speaker 1: twin brother. That was quite funny. Dylan Aler is at
Speaker 1: the Pleasants Beside until August twenty fourth, but not on
Speaker 1: the twelfth. If you're planning on going on the twelfth,
Speaker 1: not gonna be there why, I don't know. And that,
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