WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:19.839 It's The Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast special report. The Lapsed 2 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:24.719 Fan presents the complete Hulk Hogan, a real American story, 3 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:26.719 brought to you by Garage Beer. 4 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:31.039 Well, there had to be a first time. There had 5 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:35.840 to be a first time that Hulk Hogan, that Andre 6 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:37.320 the Giant Boss. 7 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:43.520 I I don't even know where to begin with that. 8 00:00:44.479 --> 00:00:49.479 I mean, the fact that it happened before nineteen eighty 9 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:56.240 is really is really just it's borderline unacceptable. 10 00:00:56.679 --> 00:01:01.280 Yes, tired is thinking Hogan Andre didn't happened before eighty seven. 11 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:04.840 Wired is thinking it didn't happen before nineteen eighty. 12 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:07.480 Damn right. 13 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:10.480 Well, we're here to tell you and as much detail 14 00:01:10.519 --> 00:01:15.040 as humanly possible, considering almost none of it survives on film, 15 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:19.319 precisely what went down Southeastern Championship Wrestling. Terry the Hulk 16 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:22.120 Boulder comes face to face for the first time with 17 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:24.879 the man against whom he created perhaps more box office 18 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:27.359 than any pairing in the history of this industry, or 19 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:31.319 at the very least lit the way to crowds and 20 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:38.760 attention and spectacle theretofore unimaginable in the business of professional wrestling. 21 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:41.159 For all that so many of the greats created in 22 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:44.040 all the stadiums that had been filled before, including by 23 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:46.120 these two themselves in nineteen eighty as you just mentioned 24 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:49.840 at Chase Stadium nineteen eighty seven, Hogan Andre showed us 25 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:55.439 what was possible when we allowed pro wrestling to embrace 26 00:01:56.799 --> 00:01:58.879 the things that need to be embraced for us, to 27 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:01.560 be allowed to believe, yes, to not be taken out 28 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:03.719 of it every ten to fifteen minutes, to not be 29 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:06.719 told it's a performance, and to not even think for 30 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:09.599 a second that this is some sort of figure skating 31 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:11.960 exhibition where you hold up scores of one to ten 32 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:16.319 upon execution, but in fact, know what you do is 33 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:19.599 you let the wrestlers convince you that whether they win 34 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:23.680 or lose this next match will determine everything. 35 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:24.159 Yep. 36 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:27.759 And where did Terry Bullaya the Future Hulk Hogan get 37 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:31.080 that muscle memory from as it regards working with Andre 38 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:34.639 the Giant. How were these two so let's say, fully 39 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:37.759 baked come WrestleMania three or nineteen eighty seven? It did 40 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:41.599 all start Friends and doth in Alabama and that tiny 41 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:46.879 television studio for WTVY that broadcast Ron Fuller's Southeastern Championship 42 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:51.080 Wrestling and only a handful of Alabama cities were privy 43 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:54.199 to it because that was as discussed last time on 44 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:58.080 the Complete Hulk Hogan here on the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast, 45 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:01.800 how far those television shows reached the time wasn't really 46 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:05.680 far and wide. And the level of preservation of this 47 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:11.599 footage criminal. And it's an especially sensitive time to be talking, 48 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:13.719 isn't it boss about losing access? 49 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:16.520 I mean, I don't know. 50 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:19.159 I don't know what's worse having never seen the Hogan 51 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:21.520 Andre matches and as we're going to talk about the 52 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:24.960 Hogan Harley NWA World Heavyweight Title match in this promotion, 53 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:29.960 or having been shown it, having been led to believe 54 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:32.360 we'll always have access to it and then have it 55 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:34.199 be taken away. 56 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:41.199 I I mean, I think it's always worse to have 57 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:44.680 had it and then have it taken away. I always 58 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:46.240 work that worked. 59 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:50.560 Like the archives, I mean, look words out by the 60 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:53.319 end of twenty twenty six, by the end of twenty 61 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:55.639 twenty five, rather yeah, right, I wish it was twenty six. 62 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:58.000 I have more kind of we're holding solace in that 63 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:01.879 by the end of this year. The ww WW and 64 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:05.360 ECW archives the very foundation of the ww network. In 65 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:07.960 twenty fourteen, the very foundation of this podcast, or at 66 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.479 least the notion of it, will be taken away from 67 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:16.519 us and removed from Peacock with no certain home. I 68 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:19.560 wonder if the AWA stuff will say, yeah, look at 69 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:23.720 us grasping at what we can get. I mean, I mean, 70 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:25.839 you gotta grab as much as we can while we can. 71 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:30.879 It's it's it's it's I just don't I just don't 72 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:35.279 understand it. I mean, it's so they're so careless with 73 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:38.600 this stuff and you go ahead, please, I don't know, please. 74 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:41.399 It just it just makes me feel. 75 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.720 Disrespected as a fan, as a as a lapsed fan, 76 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:51.839 because we've had access for this stuff for eleven years now, 77 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:58.399 and now they're just like whatever just goes back into 78 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:01.879 the vault and it stays there until it's released on 79 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:04.879 the Vault I suppose on YouTube, which just the problem 80 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:07.000 is though as much as I love the Vault, they 81 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:11.560 just don't drop enough, okay. And it's also so scatterbrained 82 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:16.800 and it's so random you can't count on the what's 83 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:20.879 being drop on any day, right, And also I mean, 84 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:24.279 I know, like, what do you you know? I understand 85 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:27.759 that they're that they're doing, you know, the full match 86 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:29.560 thing that they do on the vault. It just just 87 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:31.839 don't do that. Just don't do that. If you're gonna, 88 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:34.120 if you're gonna drop it, drop the whole fucking event. 89 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:37.439 And that's it. Don't don't don't drop Yeah, exactly, don't 90 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:40.240 drop these fucking one off matches from things that doesn't 91 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:42.680 fucking matter. Also, there's no there's no frame of reference 92 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:46.560 except that they occasionally do some seasonal stuff like they've 93 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:49.920 been doing Survivor series matches and they did the World 94 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:53.800 Class Thanksgiving Star Wars f Min eighty five. But can't forget. 95 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:56.160 The pressure and initiative to put the whole archive on 96 00:05:56.240 --> 00:06:00.319 Peacock was because there was a new place that was 97 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:03.920 representing itself as the home for this kind of footage, 98 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:07.160 and it was pressure on Peacock not wanting to disenfranchise 99 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:10.519 all these WWE subscribers that join them overnight, that pressured 100 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:13.160 them to get the archives of WW feels no such pressure. 101 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:16.279 This isn't some some new third party that's come to 102 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:18.639 the table. It is afraid of angering all these WW 103 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:20.720 fans that they paid out the notes to attract. 104 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:29.600 I just I just I. I mean, you just gotta 105 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:31.639 grab as much as you can at this point, grab 106 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:35.720 everything you can until until the year's out, and you 107 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:40.800 know where where we're fortunate. We are fortunate that there 108 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:49.480 we have had a massive amount of of listeners, members 109 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:51.600 of the Solar System who have built an army. We've 110 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:53.800 built We've built an army, and we have we have 111 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.560 an archive. We probably actually have in many ways, we 112 00:06:56.600 --> 00:07:00.600 have a better archive than than the we has. We 113 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:05.879 certainly have certainly more more stuff than they than they 114 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:08.319 originally had. But there's still stuff that we need and 115 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:11.839 there's still stuff that we want, and it's all I mean, look, look, look, 116 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:17.439 just the raw stuff alone is a disaster. The fact 117 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:19.839 that they don't have the entire I'll be embarrassed, they 118 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:22.360 shall be shaded that that should have been Like I 119 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:25.319 don't understand why that wasn't a day one thing. The 120 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:28.079 fuck are you doing? Why that wasn't a day one thing? 121 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:34.040 And why after almost a year there's still massive gaps 122 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:37.079 Like whatever decades, decades, whatever. 123 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:40.040 Whatever justification you're gonna come up with on their behalf, 124 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:41.600 put a clown nose on it. 125 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:44.199 Cloud, I'll tell you what. You know, you know what 126 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:48.720 if you're gonna do, if listen, we we say it 127 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:51.000 all the time. You know, obviously you know less is 128 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:53.480 more in many ways, like you know, so if you're 129 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:56.199 going to do that, just take it away, take it 130 00:07:56.240 --> 00:07:59.560 all away, don't don't, don't tease us with little bits 131 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:02.399 and pieces. Just take it all away and gradually put 132 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:04.879 up on the vault. If you're gonna do that, because 133 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:05.800 it's fucking bullshit. 134 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:09.600 It's not lost stupid, it's stupid or born of the 135 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:12.839 of the network. We started in twenty fourteen, the year 136 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:15.120 the networks started, and because we picked up on the 137 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:17.759 signals WW is putting out about who this whole service 138 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:20.480 was really supposed to cater to, these so called lapsed fans, 139 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:23.240 remember this whole thing, yep? And how ironic is it 140 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:26.519 that almost twelve years on, here we sit the last 141 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:31.480 bastion of a concept that they introduced and spawned us 142 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:33.600 and so many others. I mean, there's a ton of 143 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:36.480 wrestling podcasts that were created because the network made on 144 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:39.039 demand all of this archival footage, and we salute them 145 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:42.120 as well. But I'm gonna say, man, like, how ironic 146 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:44.879 is we're the ones left like making it hurt a 147 00:08:44.919 --> 00:08:48.159 little less because we're gonna do what it takes to 148 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:51.960 keep the archives alive in a way that we've you know, 149 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:54.960 sort of cornered the market on Yep, yep. Can't stop 150 00:08:55.000 --> 00:09:00.840 it at this point. I mean, I really want to 151 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:02.320 know what they're thinking. I really want to do. 152 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:04.960 I really want to know, and you know, I want 153 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:07.879 to know what what in what frame of mind they said, 154 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:10.320 you know what, this is the best thing. Yeah, this 155 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:11.639 is the best thing to do. This is what we 156 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:12.120 should do. 157 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:15.320 Why they just it's it's literally they don't care. Like 158 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:20.000 Peacock is done paying they could give a fuck. I mean, 159 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.240 it's no other might have interpreted this. Does that mean 160 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:27.279 Saturday Night's main events are dead? Yes, after after John's 161 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:30.279 said a great, I mean, as far as the contract runs, 162 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:33.360 they're still in USA, so they reupt with they can 163 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:36.399 re up to the NBC Universal. But as far as 164 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:40.399 Peacock itself having WWE, P L E S and stuff, 165 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:43.159 I think that's coming to an end. And uh the 166 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:49.159 beginning of the year, I believe so well. Forespn NXT 167 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:51.200 cut a deal with c W for the television show 168 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:55.200 and they took all the NXT archives off Peacock. It's like, what, 169 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:57.399 so you can tell me the NXT archives are part 170 00:09:57.399 --> 00:09:59.600 of the c W Television contract and as far as 171 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:01.240 I know, the there's no way to watch them. Why 172 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:02.759 do you want to buy the rights to these things 173 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:04.480 if you're going to not release them? 174 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:04.960 Right? 175 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:09.200 Had supported I mean, just put you could make millions 176 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:13.279 of dollars tomorrow if you just uploaded, you know, one 177 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:16.080 hundred thousand videos and just put ads in it, Like, 178 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:17.120 what the fuck is wrong with you? 179 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:19.519 Guys. It's just it's just it's a fucking it's it's 180 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:21.600 just just it's. 181 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:23.679 A fiduciary matter at this point. Ye, I would be 182 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:28.039 concerned if I was a stockholder. Anyway, Well, we'll we'll 183 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:30.039 get through it. That's the irony. The whole thing is 184 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:34.440 Frankenstein created Frankenstein's Monster here right where we keep walking, just. 185 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:36.080 Like the Hulk, And that's the beauty of it. The 186 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:38.240 monster outlast the doctor. 187 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:41.519 What I really mourn is the loss of the ability 188 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:44.879 of lapsed fan listeners to follow along with us, right 189 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:47.840 to be able to watch the show back as part 190 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:51.159 of the enjoyment of our revisitation and recontextualization of the events. 191 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:53.080 It's a much like under the cinemat It'd be as 192 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:55.639 if people couldn't access the movie right. 193 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:59.159 Which you know, which does happen, Which does happen from 194 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:02.639 time to time, there's some sometimes there are not easy 195 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:05.879 ways outside of purchasing the movie outright, of following of 196 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:09.559 watching the movie. It does happen. But this is this 197 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:10.799 is just a fucking disgrace. 198 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:14.000 And even though we took the most circuitous and capitalistic 199 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.360 way here, it's not lost under the irony that we're 200 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:18.840 now once again as far as wrestling fans are concerned, 201 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:22.440 on the doorstep of the rebirth of physical media, yep 202 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:27.039 on a podcast that decried its loss in every way possible, 203 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:30.240 from every angle possible, and laid down the irrefutable case 204 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:33.080 that physical media was better for the fans. It was 205 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:36.399 better for the talent that won remuneration from video sales. 206 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:40.600 It was better for Christmases where you can magically unwrap 207 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:44.600 permanent access to magical moments. We just looked at a 208 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:47.759 magazine for PWI years ago, forty four to ninety five, 209 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:52.080 for a fucking compilation PWI tape with no WWF involvement 210 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.480 in the eighties. I mean, you think about how much 211 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:58.600 fifty bucks would be today for a VHS full of 212 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:02.519 matches that you know, kind of of middleing quality just 213 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:04.919 sort of a collection of names you've heard of, thrown 214 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:07.120 onto a tape to make a quick buck. And we 215 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:09.240 gave that up. We gave all those margins up, We 216 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:15.480 gave up the whole industry. Yeah, of selling physical movies 217 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:18.480 in videos. Your problem. If it wasn't for this, we 218 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:21.519 wouldn't have your problem. The Hulk Hogan Alabama stuff, we 219 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:25.000 do have. What's your problem? That stuff was dredged up 220 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:27.799 from the quote personal collections or whoever the fuck because 221 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:30.679 there was a VHS market to sell it into. If 222 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:34.320 these kind of things exist now, people, yeah, people might. 223 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:36.720 People are more motivated to scrounge them up to get 224 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:39.639 views on YouTube. But that's not an industry. That's not 225 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:41.559 the same thing as being powered by people with a 226 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:44.279 profit mode of seeking out this stuff. That's where you 227 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:47.279 really get the gems. And we were willing to pay 228 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:51.200 for every little bite, every little glimpse, every little morsel. 229 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:55.600 And it was proved over ten years and they just said, ah, 230 00:12:57.320 --> 00:12:59.799 not as many people watch that then a fucking WrestleMania. 231 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:04.639 Well no shit, no shit, that was your expectation. 232 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:08.360 Then you was there'd be that many people watching all 233 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:11.080 the time. Yeah, exactly, you're a fucking idiot. It's about 234 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:14.360 keeping people, fucking idiot, It's about keeping people. But if 235 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:16.440 you want to live paycheck to paycheck, show to show, 236 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:19.440 hype to hype, be my guest. But this is what 237 00:13:19.559 --> 00:13:21.840 keeps you homestead and knowing it was all there and 238 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:25.600 we had it across the entertainment spectrum. When you subscribe 239 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:28.039 to a service, you knew you had that that that 240 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:30.919 IP library forever whenever you wanted to watch it. And 241 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:34.200 now this ship is getting shopped around across streaming services annually, 242 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:37.799 and we act like we're not getting fucked. We act 243 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:40.399 like this is this is clearly not an evolution. This 244 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:45.480 is a devolution, yep, of the distribution system for entertainment 245 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:49.200 in this country, and it's now finally trickled down to 246 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:52.759 the last bastion of hardcore fandom out there such that 247 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:56.799 would support a subscription with streaming service ninety eight percent 248 00:13:56.799 --> 00:13:58.399 of which we never even want to watch, but just 249 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:01.279 because it has the archives of thirty year old wrestling shows. 250 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:04.240 We've been subscribers to peacocks ince day one, and subscribers 251 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:06.519 to the ww Networks in twenty fourteen. Yep. 252 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:09.480 Yeah, sounds like a bunch of consumers you can definitely 253 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:13.320 afford to, you can definitely afford to alienate the complete 254 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:16.240 hul Cogan. What a great time to lunch. This journey 255 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:19.759 we're cruising. We don't have to worry about someone hitting 256 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:21.480 us with a request for a show that suddenly we 257 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:24.360 don't have access to. Right, We're a lot floaded for 258 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:26.759 quite a while until the complete story of Hulk Hogan 259 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:30.240 is told to a level that will remain unmatched forever more, 260 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:34.039 particularly from an audio perspective, And we're excited to get 261 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:36.720 to the point in time where we come to understand 262 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:39.320 and crystallize why the Hulk Hogan Andre the Giant dynamic 263 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:42.080 didn't just work in the capable hands of Vince McMahon 264 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:44.879 junior or senior. It just worked no matter who the 265 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:47.759 fuck was at the controls. Yeah, why does it work? 266 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:49.440 Why does Hulk verse Andre work? 267 00:14:49.480 --> 00:15:03.600 Boss? Because honestly, it's it intangible. For me, it's it intangible. 268 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:09.679 It's like you could take it. It's the it's the aura, 269 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:16.240 it's the essence of these two giants of the business. 270 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:24.159 Because I mean, I guess from a practical standpoint, it's 271 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:27.200 like you've got under the giant who when did he 272 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:31.639 start again in the sixties. Yeah, under the giant, who 273 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:35.480 has been a spectacle since the sixties, late sixties, so 274 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:42.039 a decade basically probably in many ways unmatched. Yeah, in 275 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:46.440 terms of that, in terms of being Matt spectacle. But 276 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:48.600 then you've got another guy. Here comes this new guy 277 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:58.240 who is a giant in his own right different ways, tall, massive, 278 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:06.399 bloated at this point and showing signs of an un 279 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:09.559 tapped charisma. Yep. 280 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:14.159 That and like Billy Graham and other big muscled up 281 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:16.360 guys being sold as a supernatural force. 282 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:23.639 Right right, being sold as a superhero already, this is 283 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:36.360 probably one of the first true irresistible force meeting the 284 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:40.320 immovable object of the modern era. Correct, all right, that's 285 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:43.000 what this is. That's what this this exemplifies. It is 286 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:50.039 it's it's I mean, it's really you know, in many 287 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:52.879 ways too when you look at it, it's it's a 288 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:57.559 legend versus you know, versus the future. Yes as well, 289 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:00.559 it's all these different things. And and it was sold 290 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:02.399 that way in the beginning as this young upstart threat. 291 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:06.920 It ended up shoot being that at wrestling a three right, Right, 292 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:10.039 That's why Hogan and Vince always cry when they think 293 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:12.640 about this night, because even though a lot of it, 294 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:16.319 I'm sure as crocodile tears, they know that if Andre 295 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:19.359 did not think that Hulk deserved to run with the ball, 296 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:22.000 it wouldn't have happened, right, It wouldn't have happened in 297 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:24.680 the way it needed to happen to really cement the 298 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:27.359 whole thing as magical and to give Hulk, you know, 299 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:32.680 several more years of gasoline in the engine, and goddamn 300 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:35.160 were with the beneficiaries and God Dan are loss to 301 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:38.319 be a fan in Dothan, to be a fan on 302 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:44.000 this fucking incredibly historically significant weekend in nineteen seventy nine, 303 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:45.839 and to be able to witness Hulk and Andre tie 304 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:48.079 up for the first time. For that to be a 305 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:51.200 completely new thing, you to be the first person to 306 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:54.319 witness that interpersonal dynamic. I can't. 307 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:57.240 I'm going to go to my grave longing to be 308 00:17:57.279 --> 00:17:58.279 in one of those seats. 309 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:03.960 Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. I mean I want 310 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:10.279 to know, I want to I want to talk to well, 311 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:12.440 I want to talk to somebody who experienced that. Of course, 312 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:15.039 of course I don't need to experience it. I need 313 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:18.359 to know what people thought, because experiencing it it's like, 314 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:21.759 I know I can never have that. I know I 315 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:23.839 can never have that, But but at the same time, 316 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:27.559 I know that there are people who are still alive 317 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:29.440 who did see this. 318 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:31.799 And to your point, it's not even it's not even 319 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:34.200 what they thought on that night. It's what they thought 320 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:38.400 ten years later, almost exactly when the whole world was 321 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:40.839 talking about this as a first of its kind matchup, 322 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:44.400 and they're like, I saw these to wrestle down the 323 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:45.920 road in nineteen seventy nine. 324 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:48.079 Is that there's a handful of people who are like, no, no, 325 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:49.240 this is fucking old news. 326 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:51.200 And it would go to Georgia, and it would go 327 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:54.519 to Montreal, and it would go to Japan before and 328 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:56.480 around the same time it was in New York. But 329 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:58.519 let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's not get awared 330 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:03.559 of ourselves. The total, the complete Hulk Hogan allows us to, 331 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:06.759 much like a Greg Valentine, take our time, but much 332 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:09.279 like a Hulk Hogan, you better believe we're hulking up 333 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:11.000 and dialing it up to ten in the goal on 334 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:14.319 the stage. But it's time to put under the microscope 335 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:17.039 Hulk versus Andre for the very first time. As we 336 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:19.720 established last time, on the complete Hulk Hogan charting Hulk's 337 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:22.400 arrival in the Gulf Coast Territory, his first since taking 338 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:24.559 a year off of the business and going with Ed 339 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:27.240 Leslie to Cocoa Beach to run a bar. It is 340 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:31.759 not lost on anybody, including territorial owner Ron Fuller, that 341 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:34.359 this guy's money and booker Louis Tillett, they figured it 342 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:37.559 out right away. They positioned him incredibly strongly. He's taking 343 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:40.200 on the top guys, including Fuller in the ring, squashing people, 344 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:43.400 bear hugging them to blood runs from their mouths. They're 345 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:45.039 just doing the things that you do when you need 346 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:48.119 to turn a guy into money immediately, and Hulk Hogan 347 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:50.759 was money immediately. That's a key takeaway I think so 348 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:53.279 far from this whole thing is that it didn't There 349 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:55.160 was no baby steps with this guy. There was no 350 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:58.640 period where it was like, uh, you know, he's still 351 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:02.039 finding himself. If a booker wanted to, they could make 352 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:04.960 hul Cogan a box office attraction from day one. Not 353 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:07.480 all the bookers he worked for wanted to. That's the difference. 354 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:10.119 Ron Fuller wanted to and he pulled it off. He 355 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:11.559 pulled it off in such a way that I think 356 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:13.519 you could argue it kind of sent a shock of 357 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:16.200 panic through the NWA power structure. I think we're going 358 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:18.400 to be able to make that claim by the time 359 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:20.319 all is said and done, by the time nineteen seventy 360 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:22.240 nine is in the books. And as we've already soort 361 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:24.519 a forecast in nineteen seventy nine isn't just about Gulf 362 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:28.799 Coast and southeastern for Terry Bolea. It's also about Memphis. 363 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:33.599 It's also about New York, all of the Georgia GBS. 364 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:35.519 All these things happened for ull Cogan in his very 365 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:37.720 first year back. It all happens at once. It doesn't 366 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:41.000 happen in a very neat, predictable tidy, one year at 367 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:44.319 a time format. And thus you're going to witness the 368 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:48.599 sort of format of the complete hul Cogan evolve to 369 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:50.640 be able to pay appropriate respect to the fact that 370 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:53.200 he's all over the place. He's back and forth, He's 371 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:56.279 back and forth a series of runs. Sure life is 372 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:58.240 a series of runs, Terry. But do they all have 373 00:20:58.279 --> 00:20:59.960 to happen at the same time? What happens when the 374 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:01.400 runs happen in parallel? 375 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:10.839 Boss chaos, chaos, chaos, trouble and destruction. 376 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:13.160 I can only think of one way to take the 377 00:21:13.240 --> 00:21:14.680 edge off of that for your co chairman. 378 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:15.079 I think it. 379 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:17.200 I think it fits very coolly in the palm of 380 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:18.000 your hand, doesn't it. 381 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:18.440 M H. 382 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:20.680 I think it might be a presenting sponsor of this 383 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:21.000 one of. 384 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:21.640 A kind journey. 385 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:25.960 Yes, maybe the brand that makes possible the complete hull Kigan, 386 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:28.279 the live calls, and so much else we do here 387 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:33.279 at t l f h Q. 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Have one, crack it open, take 421 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:17.519 the edge off a little bit, have a six pack 422 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:20.640 ready like your Terry Boleya about to negotiate a heel 423 00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:22.119 turn with Eric Bischoff. 424 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:25.680 Or you're about to fucking convince Macho man Erney Savage 425 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:28.640 to come to WCW Right, all right. 426 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:30.920 I mean live in the spirit of holkg and as 427 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:33.279 the complete plays out this holiday season. 428 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:37.559 With just to live in the spirit of Terrible laya please, And. 429 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:39.839 That's how to take that is edge off, brother, that's 430 00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:41.960 how to get things calm down and dialed in. 431 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:42.839 Damn right. 432 00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:44.759 But when the new year hits and it's time to 433 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:47.880 dial it up and pump up. 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We're talking cubes of hogends. 445 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:22.160 So did we ever what a is? No oka? 446 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:24.920 Plenty of people offered suggestions that I appreciate all of them. 447 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:27.079 I can't say any of them land that is exactly 448 00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:29.599 what Hulk meant by a cube of hogendas. 449 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:33.519 I just don't understand it. 450 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:35.440 That's the whole point. You don't have to do anymore. 451 00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:37.759 Folks like lived have figured it out. They've dialed it 452 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:40.559 in with real wrestlers that hit the real mats with 453 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:45.480 real ear muffs on, who understand low inside singles, cement mixers, 454 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:49.079 gata rolls. 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We've got 500 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:05.880 Terry Bowleia with the bowling the Bowling League, We've got 501 00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:10.319 Alan Rules, we've got Kenny Mania, we've got Infinity's end 502 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:14.759 all right, and you know, we've got more down the line, 503 00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:18.880 more in the pipeline, and uh, it's just it's going 504 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.039 to keep coming. Your not to mention the fact that 505 00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:24.839 we've also got a thousand previous Hogan ones, you know, 506 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:27.480 and and other shirts of course, just a gallery of 507 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:30.039 shirts that speak to how we ended up in a 508 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:31.799 place where you know what it makes sense to do 509 00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:34.400 something like this. I think it's important to remember that 510 00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:36.519 we do have Christmas themed. 511 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:41.039 Absolutely glad that there are so many classics buried deep 512 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:42.960 in the back catalog that people forgot about. 513 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:45.799 They slept on. Tell them about them. Well, we got 514 00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:49.319 we got the lapse hard one with the Knakotomi gogle. 515 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.400 We've we've got TLF. You'll need it as if it's 516 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:55.960 a IBC from Scrooge. We've got the lapse fan home 517 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:59.880 alone style, a lapsed fan Christmas as Charlie Brown christ 518 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.000 is the laps fan in the night member before Christmas. 519 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:06.720 We've got the lapse fan with the uh in the 520 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:10.519 style of a Christmas story. We got TLF in this 521 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:13.839 in the the like elf. We got them all. Not 522 00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:16.039 to mention, also, we go even further back. We've got 523 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.359 we've got a Fritz based one. I forget what the 524 00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:20.920 the actual thing was, but that was all he's got. 525 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:22.480 He's got a Santa Claus hat. He's got a Santa 526 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:27.359 Claus hat one. It's a I think, uh something old 527 00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:30.200 Saint Fritz or something like that. Sure, Jolly old Saint Fritz. 528 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.480 That's it, Jolly old Saint Fritz. It's all there inspired 529 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.039 by so recular podcast. I believe yes, and it's a 530 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.480 particular podcast and fuck this, let's get it. 531 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:43.960 Dot com Slash the laps Fan, Fly the Colors Proud 532 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:46.440 in twenty twenty six and BS and this holiday season 533 00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:48.799 and this holiday season, you buy one of those holiday 534 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:51.799 shirts pots just mentioned, you're gonna find yourself wanting to 535 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:54.400 wear it every Christmas time. You're just gonna be some 536 00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:55.839 itch you have to scratch. You're gonna go to a 537 00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:58.279 wrestling show, or you're gonna be out and about. And 538 00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:01.799 these aren't things that necessarily scream. I like pretend fighting, 539 00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:04.519 which is always important to wrestling, right right. 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To our twenty twenty five Survivor 571 00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:38.640 series coverage. Deserve it. We've settled on a theme song 572 00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:42.559 for the Last Time is Now coverage, and I'm sure 573 00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:47.039 that these I'm sure that these these strains will impact 574 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:49.960 listeners' years coming up. When Sina takes the ring for 575 00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:52.400 the final time in Washington, DC, why don't you let 576 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:53.759 him have the Last Time is Now? 577 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:05.720 Oh go? 578 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:15.400 Last time is no? The last time is no, Last 579 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:26.240 time is no, Last time is no, Last time is no. 580 00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:34.160 Unbelievable. Bring it to a holy level this holiday season 581 00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:37.880 with patreon dot com. Slash the Lapsed Fan the only 582 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:40.319 way to lock in and keep your self respect as 583 00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:43.839 a wrestling fan. At the same time, we'll continue watching 584 00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.880 and monitoring modern ww so you don't have to to 585 00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:48.920 say nothing of the fact, boss that there's nothing else 586 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:50.160 we're going to be able to watch on all these 587 00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.200 streaming services they make us pay for anyway. 588 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:54.200 I know, it's it's it's it's such a it's turned 589 00:31:54.240 --> 00:32:00.480 into such a fucking ship show. It's so pathetic. Really 590 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:04.680 is like they've just lost all sight of what you know, 591 00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:08.599 what you know the problem is is that they they 592 00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:12.079 all I mean, listen, I've said it a thousand times. 593 00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:17.279 They all looked at what Netflix did, and they all 594 00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:20.440 thought they could do it, and they all thought it 595 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.680 would make them easy money. Then they realize and that's 596 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:25.480 and that's where the problem is, because they opened the 597 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:30.200 floodgates and they fucking they the toothpaste is out of 598 00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:32.119 the tube and they can't put it back in. That's right, 599 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:35.640 And now now the resolidation is happening, no one can 600 00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:37.759 stay in business anymore. And we all act like this 601 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:43.319 is something that was inevitable and yeah, and they realized that, hey, shit, 602 00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:46.000 you know what we're we can't have all our stuff 603 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.519 out there because it just won't work that way. And 604 00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:51.279 it's like, yeah, no, shit, right, obviously that's the case. 605 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:55.279 But you did it anyway. And now we suffer as 606 00:32:55.359 --> 00:33:01.200 fans because you suck exactly because you're fucking morons, tremendous 607 00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:02.359 Now you have more. 608 00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:06.960 You're a copycat bitch, yeah, copycat, but you're a fomo bitch, 609 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:11.559 just like somebody somebody chasing a fucking slot machine. 610 00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:15.039 Except the problem is is that unlike umlike being a copycat, 611 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:20.960 you have you have now uh, what you've done, what 612 00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:24.640 they have all done is given us access has given 613 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:29.119 us access, They've proved it's possible, and now they realize 614 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.680 that doing that was a mistake. And I don't know, 615 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:34.240 I don't disagree with them in many ways it was 616 00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:38.480 a mistake, but you did it, and now we're being 617 00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:42.839 punished for it, right, And it's like why, Oh, because 618 00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.799 you want money, And it's like, okay, great, well I 619 00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:49.079 want money too. What am I paying for? Then? 620 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:55.039 What am I bothering doing? Because you know what I've 621 00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:56.880 I've got at least we can go to the Royal 622 00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:59.640 Rumble next year and in WrestleMania the year after that. 623 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.759 Yeah, as long as we can go, you know, I mean, listen, 624 00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:08.039 the USA, Okay, the United Saudi Arabia. 625 00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:11.679 Big fucking thumbs up from your coach chairs, big fucking 626 00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:14.159 thumbs up from the coe chairs. You already know what 627 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:19.000 it is. You've presided over it a bunch of fucking idiots. 628 00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.280 So let's go back to Let's go back to God's country. 629 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:24.519 Let's go back to where they were A man still 630 00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:27.760 fears God. Let's go back to Alabama. Let's go back 631 00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:32.199 to the Southeastern Championship Wrestling Territory owned and operated by 632 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:35.480 the Tennessee stud Ron Fuller and Terry the Hulk Boulder 633 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:39.280 is just beginning to make Let's do it his impact. 634 00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.480 We talked last week about the feud with Fuller. Fuller 635 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:44.880 goes in there as someone who actually towers a bit 636 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:48.280 over Terry Bully in terms of height, not necessarily musculature, 637 00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:51.159 but what a great opponent. Fortunately for him, that the 638 00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:53.000 guy who ran the territory and had all of the 639 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:57.119 self interest in the world and making this green kid 640 00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:01.239 a box office attraction right to save his territory, went 641 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:03.960 in there and actually let a hulk bear hug the 642 00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:05.360 shit out of him, the blood out of him, and 643 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.880 do the same to his old uncle Leicester Welch, and 644 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:10.559 do the same to Roy Lee Welch and all these 645 00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:12.719 other family members that have been longtime veterans of the 646 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:16.559 circuit down and around East Tennessee and Alabama, to feed 647 00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:21.360 to the Hulk and having no hesitation about it, having 648 00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.280 no bullshit Dusty Roads games about it, which drove Hogan 649 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:26.360 almost out of the business in the first place, yep, 650 00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:28.920 or Mike Graham, bullshit, whoever you want to peg it on. 651 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:33.079 And here he's just taken it to Ron Fuller and 652 00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:36.320 proving that he can hang with the biggest and baddest guy. 653 00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:38.559 So this territory is known, but under the Giant is 654 00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:41.639 kind of a different story. Yes, Andre, like so many 655 00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:44.480 territories across the country, and indeed the world, would come 656 00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:49.400 through at predictable but spaced out intervals to different territories 657 00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:52.000 across the country. He'd often come in for big battle royals, 658 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:54.079 like the one at the Cow Palace in San Francisco. 659 00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:56.719 You'd often bring him in for your big annual battle 660 00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:00.280 Royal show because you know, he's sort of difficult book 661 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:02.400 one on one against somebody. Unless you're going to sacrifice 662 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:04.159 one of your local guys to Andre the Giant. He's 663 00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:06.440 not going to come in into a job for you necessarily. 664 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.320 But this way the circumstances aligned. Here in the spring 665 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:13.000 of nineteen seventy nine, Andre just happened to be coming 666 00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:16.079 through at the same time Louis Tillette had begun investing 667 00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:18.119 in this halt guy and setting him up, and it 668 00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:20.679 made a perfect match. As we discussed last time, Louis 669 00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:23.119 Tilette is a French Canadian, knew Andre well and on 670 00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:25.840 that deeper sort of French Canadian mafia level that courses 671 00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:28.159 so distinctly through the pro wrestling business. 672 00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:28.360 To you. 673 00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:31.679 You look at the Rougeaus and Patterson and Garvin and Thedino, 674 00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:34.039 Bravo and so many others. They run as a pack, 675 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:36.920 and they are willing to do things for each other 676 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:39.280 that they wouldn't be willing to do for an average 677 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:41.719 booker or an average promoter that they might have a 678 00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:46.400 relationship with but don't have that deeper homeland kinship with. 679 00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:48.400 I think that is a big factor as to why 680 00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:50.280 Terry Bully I got the shot like he did, and 681 00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:53.880 Andre this early and this often now there it's generally 682 00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:56.639 accepted that May fourth, nineteen seventy nine was the very 683 00:36:56.679 --> 00:37:00.840 first match between Hulkgan and Andre the Giant in Dothan, Alabama. However, 684 00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:03.440 like so many things, when you go back and actually 685 00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.119 look at the wrestling data record and other career records, 686 00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:08.880 it shows a May third, the day before nineteen seventy 687 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:12.199 nine match at the Boler Wrestling Arena in Panama City, Florida, 688 00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:14.480 where Andre teamed with roy Lee Welch to take on 689 00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:18.079 the Gladiator and the Hulk. So bullshit is what you're saying. 690 00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:21.360 I think so bullshit. I think you know the best 691 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.519 we're going to get is Ron Fuller going back over 692 00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:25.480 his notes and recalling what he can recall from his 693 00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:28.480 personal archives and his personal memory about how he booked 694 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:29.840 all this stuff and how it played out, and what 695 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:33.000 struck him as the first instance of something happening and 696 00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:35.039 what struck him as the time. He has very specific 697 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:38.320 dates on the studcast, which of course is an invaluable resource. 698 00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:40.119 The podcast that we pointed you to last time, on 699 00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.480 the Complete Hulkoken, where Ron Fuller really just goes through 700 00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:44.840 his date book from the Southeastern Gulf Coast days and 701 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:48.199 Knoxville days and just delineates all the cards and all 702 00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:50.320 the very first times that people showed up in the 703 00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.519 territory and who they worked with, what the feuds were, 704 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.760 what the television segments were, like the personality profiles with 705 00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:59.320 announcer Charlie Platt that they did on television to introduce 706 00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:01.719 the fans of the Gulf Coast territory to new wrestlers 707 00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:04.679 like Terry Bolea, And so if you follow that trajectory, 708 00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:06.599 there are a lot of things that he says that 709 00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:09.079 contradict with the dates that exist in these sort of 710 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:12.519 complete career records, which if of course, thankfully have become 711 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:14.480 a thing on the Internet over the past ten twelve years, 712 00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:17.719 these master databases, these master list. Richard Land's history of 713 00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:21.440 WWF is another great one. And so we have a 714 00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.000 conflict here in that it appears this is, you know, 715 00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:26.760 no different than Brian Blair swearing to God he had 716 00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:28.920 Hulk's first match, and you look it up and Hulk 717 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.360 had two matches, including one with Brian Blair before the 718 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:35.960 one in Chieflin, Florida. And we put Brian Blair to 719 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:37.239 the test on that when we had her on this 720 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:38.800 show as part of the complete hul COVID, and he 721 00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:41.360 stood by it. So it's not like people are just 722 00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:43.760 failing to ask. It's just right. There's just going to 723 00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:46.760 be conflicting recollections out there. That's the nature of everything, 724 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:49.079 let alone the pro wrestling business. But if this is 725 00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:50.960 to believe, there actually was a tag match where Hogan 726 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:52.760 and Andre steered across the ring from each other in 727 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.719 Panama City, Florida, before their first one on one meeting 728 00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:57.960 in Dothan. But suffice to say, even if that is 729 00:38:58.000 --> 00:38:59.880 the case that they did meet in a tag match, 730 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:01.320 we can say at the very least, this is the 731 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.119 first Hulk Hogan Andrew the Giant one on one match, 732 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:05.440 which is really what counts anyway. 733 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.320 Full Yeah, I suppose that is true. 734 00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:10.800 Full Of recalled that they had to do the personality 735 00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:14.760 profile for the doth And market only because when Andre 736 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:17.519 came in Boss, they didn't have a lot of time. 737 00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:19.239 They just had one weekend of Andre dates and not 738 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:21.840 every city in the territory was going to get Andrea 739 00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.559 in Hulk. So think about this. Not only did they 740 00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:26.639 not only did they narrow cast at the time because 741 00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:28.480 they had so few cities to broadcast their TV, and 742 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.360 they even had to split that up into pieces because 743 00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:34.320 they didn't want to promote Hulk versus Andre to a 744 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.719 city that wasn't going to get the match. So you 745 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:39.920 had to live in doth in Alabama to see this 746 00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.679 shit like not you couldn't live in Mobile either, And 747 00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:44.840 I know it's mobile and not mobile. I'm just trying 748 00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:47.440 to make mobile phone jokes. And then it just set 749 00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:50.159 problem with that. Then people get it. They can go 750 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:55.400 fuck themselves, but you're going to say something there I 751 00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:57.920 don't remember. It's okay, well we'll get it back. So 752 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:00.760 Ron Fuller recalls having to do the person profile on 753 00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:02.800 Terry the Hulk Boulder and Andrew the Giant and the 754 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:05.800 matchup in the Dothan market only all about this match 755 00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:10.519 and that Mobile and Montgomery got different personality profiles the 756 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:13.159 week that The Hulk Andre won aired because they weren't 757 00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:14.320 going to get the match. They didn't want to get 758 00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:17.559 people interested in the match. So, man, that makes this 759 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:19.400 even more of a needle in a haystack to ever 760 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:23.199 find this. Jesus Ron recollects that after they shot their 761 00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:25.480 normal television show with the matches before the fans there 762 00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:27.880 at the TV studios in Dothan with an empty studio, 763 00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.400 they kept Hulk Hogan behind there with his heel manager 764 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:32.400 Billy Spears, who he introduced you to last week on 765 00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:35.480 the show. And Hulk was still part of the Spears family. 766 00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:37.000 Is a heel at this point in time, of course, 767 00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:41.400 in the great tradition of manager run stables of heels. 768 00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:43.559 You know the heen And Family, Jimmy Hart's first Family, 769 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:49.119 jim Cornett's Cornett's Camp, and the Dangerously Dangerous Alliance. All 770 00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:51.599 that shit, it's all part of the same formula. Wow, 771 00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.039 And Hulk was there standing behind Billy Spears as he 772 00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:56.960 went on and on as one of his many muscle men. 773 00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:00.440 One thing I didn't even really appreciate until spending some 774 00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:02.880 time listening to podcasts that a guy named Bo James 775 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:04.480 has done over the years, both on the Between the 776 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.079 Sheets Show and the six oh five Super Podcast. Shout 777 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.239 out to Steve on Patreon for pointing out that he 778 00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:11.000 has a lot of good insight because bo James was 779 00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:14.199 a teenager growing up in this exact market and actually 780 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.280 got a job working for the territory down there as 781 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:19.199 a young kid who wanted to get into the business 782 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:21.840 and became a very much historian. He spent a lot 783 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:25.880 of time documenting on the Exile from Bad Street sub 784 00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:30.559 series that Chris Selner Between the Sheets has done on 785 00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.119 the South Eastern Territory, particularly when it became Continental in 786 00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:36.960 nineteen eighty five after Vince has gone national and Crockett 787 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.000 too Fuller tried to get back into the business as 788 00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:41.920 Continental Championship Wrestling and tried to get you know, national 789 00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:43.679 ad sales going. He wanted to make a run at 790 00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:45.559 it like Bill Watts wanted to make a run at 791 00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:47.760 it with UWF and so many other folks that were 792 00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:50.920 trying to navigate this new post WWF takeover world, and 793 00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:54.320 a lot of that stuff was produced and preserved and 794 00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:58.280 it can be rewatched. So a lot of that stuff 795 00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:00.320 from the mid to late eighties in Continental in that 796 00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:04.360 area survives on tape. One of the insights that bo 797 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:07.360 James has brought is that Ron Fuller we talked about 798 00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:09.039 how weird it is that none of this survives and 799 00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:11.199 there's so little coverage of it. He didn't want the coverage. 800 00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:13.440 According to bo James, Ron Fuller would not let the 801 00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:19.719 wrestling magazines come to these shows. Why is it so 802 00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:23.519 weird there's no after mag coverage of these epic hult 803 00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:24.840 yeses Andre backlets? 804 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:25.400 What is? 805 00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.599 What's the why? According to bo James. And I haven't 806 00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:30.920 heard Ron Fuller say this. Maybe he has said it somewhere. 807 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.119 According to bo James, ron Fuller. 808 00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:35.119 Is actually think I keep thinking of me to say 809 00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.400 bow Jangles, and I'm thinking of fried Chicken. I will 810 00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.519 not say bo Jangles. Well, maybe now I will because 811 00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:41.800 you said that, But I know I keep thinking like it. Honestly, 812 00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:43.159 I keep thinking you're going to say that, and I'm 813 00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:46.559 getting hungry because they have incredible breakfast biscuits. They sure do. 814 00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:48.920 Oh yeah, that's the way it stuff today. Yeah, I 815 00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:53.199 can't deny that. According to Bo James, Ron Fuller was 816 00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:56.840 concerned that if the national wrestling magazines featured his stars 817 00:42:57.159 --> 00:42:58.800 and the kind of houses they were doing and the 818 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.400 kind of sensation they were careering in their part of 819 00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:04.960 the world, that other bigger territories would raid his wrestlers. 820 00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:08.880 And I wonder if that mentality is set in chiefly 821 00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:11.599 after this, because as far as I can tell, that's 822 00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.840 exactly what happened to him. Visa VI Hulk Cogan, He's a. 823 00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:35.519 Lapsed fan wrestling podcast. 824 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:41.719 He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno. 825 00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:42.000 M J. P. 826 00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:46.320 Sorow Like he found the star in Hulk Cogan, Him 827 00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:48.639 and Louis Tillette found the star in this guy and 828 00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:50.960 drew the kind of houses with Andre and others that 829 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:53.320 would get the attention of a Jerry Lawler and Jerry 830 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:55.880 Jarrett in Memphis, get the attention of an Olie Anderson 831 00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:59.239 and Jimmy Barnett in Atlanta, get the attention of Vince 832 00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:03.559 Senior in New York, and whoever was running the Bravos 833 00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:06.239 or the Brideaus, whoever was running Montreal at the time, 834 00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:10.159 all these places Japan that booked Hogan right after this. 835 00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:13.440 I mean that might have been the lesson learned in 836 00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:15.639 part is because this might be one that word got 837 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:17.679 out because certainly people in the business knew about it, 838 00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:22.360 that this this new this new guy. Insiders knew that 839 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.079 this new guy. Hull had drawn huge with with andre 840 00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:27.440 in this market. But Ron Fuller liked it that way. 841 00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:29.559 He liked that lower profile because I think he was 842 00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.559 concerned about his ability to retain what was working for 843 00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:34.559 him if word got out about how successful it was 844 00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:38.159 all being. So it's really counterintuitive in a way, but 845 00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:40.840 it kind of makes some sense when you think about it. 846 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:42.719 Because he had such a small territory, he didn't have 847 00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:44.920 to worry about too many people laying eyes on the show, 848 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:48.000 and the wrestlers could come there knowing and knowing that 849 00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:50.320 they could actually work and do things that not everybody 850 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.920 would see. So it's kind of it's kind of more 851 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:57.320 chill atmosphere that way. It's not National TBS right right, 852 00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:59.440 You're in a territory of the size of the AWS 853 00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:01.920 where you're pretty much reaching half of the country already anyway, 854 00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:05.199 or New York. So that was something apparently to be 855 00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:08.400 preserved about this part of the country and wrestling in 856 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:09.920 this part of the country where they took it very 857 00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:12.960 seriously and had a great, great sense of local ownership. 858 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.559 This idea of this is our wrestling, These are our wrestlers. 859 00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:18.519 And while people would cycle in and cycle out, it 860 00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:21.119 seemed very important, particularly to Southeastern, to keep alive in 861 00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:22.719 the fan's eyes, the sense and this is sort of 862 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:26.000 just for us, you know, this is cooked to our liking, 863 00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:30.480 precisely to our liking. So after the normal show, as 864 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:32.599 I said, they kept hulking. There were Billy Spears according 865 00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:36.239 to Ron Fuller, and the Samoans are in there and 866 00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.760 Billy Spears family, the gladiator Eddie Sullivan, and they're talking 867 00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:42.400 about how big ox Baker will be joining the family soon. 868 00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:46.000 And they're putting over how ox Baker had suppose killed 869 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:49.400 two wrestlers in the past. Right, let's not forget that. 870 00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:51.519 Tell the people how we know about that, Well, we 871 00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:55.119 talked a lot about that when we did escape from 872 00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:58.400 New York under the Cinema where we went into a 873 00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:00.519 pretty I mean, honestly, you know, because he's a guy 874 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:05.760 that we you know, oftentimes we you know, we don't 875 00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:09.599 there There are are our big time, big name wrestlers 876 00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:11.960 who were not going to really come across on the 877 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:14.599 main show, which you know, it's it's I don't think 878 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:16.719 before now, I don't I mean, have we ever, I 879 00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:18.760 don't know we ever talked about ox Baker before now 880 00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:19.840 on the main show? 881 00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.280 Would we? I mean, he's not exactly any you know 882 00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.679 Lapsteer of shows. No, no, no, no, no exactly. So 883 00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:31.239 we we went into a full, a full dive on 884 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:34.119 him and some of these encounters and some of the 885 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.840 riots that happened and all that ship. It's it's not 886 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:40.599 the me. Let me let me look into there. Let's 887 00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:42.519 going to find some of my old gems there from 888 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.320 from from back then. 889 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.960 One thing ox Baker himself has said was that it 890 00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:50.920 was supposed to be Bruiser Brodie getting that role and 891 00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:51.800 escape from New York. 892 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:57.159 Did we did he? Wow? Did I Did I know that? 893 00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:58.280 I don't know if I even knew that? 894 00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:01.960 Not sure, but he's definitely talking shoot interviews, and so 895 00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:04.920 it was kind of a there was an opportunity that 896 00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:07.559 I think took him out of circulation at a time 897 00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:09.840 when he really could have found a way to integrate 898 00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:13.039 into the you know, the nationalization of wrestling. Sure, her 899 00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:16.639 face at your time. But that kind of created a 900 00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:19.760 potential separate Hollywood path, and Southeastern was a great territory 901 00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.440 to go to when you sort of didn't want to 902 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.440 hustle as much as far as driving, the towns are 903 00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:26.360 very close. You could live on the beach, as we've 904 00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:28.599 talked about, and a lot of the guys were from 905 00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:31.599 and around Florida. Anyway, you could live in Pensacola and 906 00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:34.039 make all the towns in Alabama in just a few 907 00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:36.320 hours in the car. You could be home at night. 908 00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:38.320 One things bo James said is that I think you 909 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:40.960 said about Royally Welch. You know he's about Ron Wright. 910 00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:43.360 He said, ron Wright just decided I don't want to 911 00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:45.679 work at a territory. Think about this. I don't want 912 00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:47.480 to work at a territory where I have to leave 913 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:49.679 before my kids get home from school that day. 914 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:50.119 Wow. 915 00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:53.440 And he didn't have to this in this territory, and 916 00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:55.239 that was a huge selling point of working there and 917 00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:57.719 why guys like the Fullers and the Armstrongs and the 918 00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:01.719 Goldens were so homesteaded there for many years. And so 919 00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:03.960 ox Baker was being talked about on television at this 920 00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:06.920 point in time, is coming to join Billy Spears' family 921 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:12.239 as well, and during this particular segment, Ron Fuller recalls 922 00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.800 Billy Spears asking the Hulk in particular to step forward, 923 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:18.679 and then he tells the director, does Billy Spears, the 924 00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:20.559 director of the television go to run the video that 925 00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:23.199 I provided to you, And what the video was was 926 00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:26.760 the submission match from three nights earlier where Hulk was 927 00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:29.760 wrestling Ron Fuller in the submission match and Hulk had 928 00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.400 Ron and a bear hug, and eventually Ron Fuller went 929 00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:35.679 out cold and Hulk's hand was raised in victory, and 930 00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.079 Billy Spears requested the tape be run back with Ron 931 00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:40.079 Fuller pounding the Hulk and putting the leg lock on 932 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:43.840 earlier and apparently Hulk Hogan has talked about by Ron 933 00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:46.320 Fuller had conceded, but the referee didn't see it, so 934 00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:49.599 you know the sort of a visual pinfall gimmick going 935 00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:54.599 on here. Spears says someone doctored the tape, yes, because 936 00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:57.440 he claims to the audience, Ron Fuller never had the 937 00:48:57.519 --> 00:48:59.880 Hulk in that hold and there's no way that this 938 00:48:59.920 --> 00:49:04.639 is real footage. At which point, those are the liberty 939 00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.519 liberties affonded to you? Well, I think this shit is 940 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.800 ourn't artificial intelligence? Oh my god, I believe that artificial 941 00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:14.360 intelligence has taken a hold of this videotape, in this 942 00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:18.639 footage and has has has has perverted it and something 943 00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:21.960 that didn't happen. Well, if everything else the wrestling business 944 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.639 is artificial, the intelligence ought to be too, right. I've 945 00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.239 seen a lot of artificial intelligence in the wrestling business. 946 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.519 Let me tell you. Whenever someone's talked about as a genius, 947 00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:33.480 you watch them talk for more than forty five minutes, 948 00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:36.039 you know, this guy's pretty much a fucking moron. But 949 00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:40.559 it's fine feigned intelligence. So the studio empties out and 950 00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:44.000 spears calls him Sterling the Hulk Golden. According to Ron Fuller, 951 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.280 I can't emphasize this enough. It's incredibly confusing to me. 952 00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:50.639 But Ron Fuller swears that Terry Boleo was interchangeably called 953 00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:53.679 Sterling the Hulk Golden and Terry the Hulk bolet on. 954 00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:58.639 His test show. Yes, listen, it's it's in the newspapers, Okay, 955 00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:04.119 I saw it in the New Georgia though. No, no, 956 00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:08.400 not a Georgia. No it's not. It was from earlier. 957 00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:13.480 It was from earlier, in seventy nine, yes, I remember 958 00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:14.960 the date being November of seventy nine. 959 00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:16.480 Am I wrong? Hold on? 960 00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:19.599 Because I found what I found for the Hulk read 961 00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:22.679 during the Incredible Hulk Under the Sad episode that was. 962 00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:24.719 Shure to go back. Maybe I've listened. I'll fully admit 963 00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:26.519 if I if I if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty 964 00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:30.159 sure I saw it fairly early in the year where 965 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:33.880 he was Sterling the Hulk or something like that, or 966 00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:37.280 the Hulk Wrestling's Hulk Sterling Golden something like that. 967 00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:41.000 Right, Yeah, let's run that down. The Solar system has 968 00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:43.480 already heard it, so I remember finding that away in 969 00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:45.119 my mind is okay, that makes sense. It's a Georgia 970 00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:50.519 newspaper and it's after he had left Alabama, at which 971 00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:52.480 point no one disputes. I mean, there's tape of him 972 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:54.760 being called Sterling Golden on WTBS. 973 00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:56.480 Yeah, but Sterling the Hulk Golden. 974 00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.719 No, the tapes that I've seen from the territory, which 975 00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:02.239 I believe is the full extent, and we'll talk about 976 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:05.639 it as the Completehull. COGA and unfolds from Georgia always 977 00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:08.199 just calls them Sterling Sterling Golden, not sorry. 978 00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:12.199 This is this is the Knoxville New Sentinel Sentinel. Okay, yep, 979 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:14.679 the Hulk this is from I guess this is from 980 00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:16.320 This is from later in the year. Okay, so I'm 981 00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:19.880 wrong about that. This is from November and he is 982 00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:21.159 the Hulk. Sterling Golden. 983 00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:23.840 Does it give a date line as far as like 984 00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:26.599 where the matches took place that the reporter was. 985 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:32.039 It's the uh I have? This is the ad here, 986 00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:37.280 I have the w It was a the W Knox Auditorium, Okay, Tennessee. Yeah, 987 00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:42.800 and it's it was. It was on Thursday, November twenty 988 00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:44.199 ninth at eight pm. 989 00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:47.559 As we'll talk about November, right, as we'll talk about 990 00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:51.800 it gets really hairy out round here because those guys 991 00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.599 like Bob Rupe who defect from Ron Fuller and take 992 00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:56.960 over Knoxville, or at least try to run opposition, they 993 00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:58.719 do run up position in Knoxville and try. 994 00:51:58.599 --> 00:51:59.159 To take it over. 995 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:02.920 I'm not entirely sure that we get the whole story 996 00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:05.400 from Ron Fuller as to where Terry Bullay has loyalties. 997 00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:07.360 Lie Holy, he. 998 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:09.280 Kind of makes it seem like Terry just, you know, 999 00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:12.119 ferried off to Memphis and didn't really take a side 1000 00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:14.599 in the Bob Roup versus Ron Fuller war, but I'm 1001 00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:19.159 pretty sure that there's evidence that Terry essentially picked Knoxville, 1002 00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:22.159 he picked the outlaw group, which I think might also 1003 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:23.840 be a part of why Terry has very little to 1004 00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:26.599 say about this the particulars at this point of his 1005 00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:29.920 career in his books and such, for a million other 1006 00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:33.800 reasons that maybe perhaps among them, and further to the 1007 00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:36.760 point earlier about Ron Fuller showing away from magazine coverage 1008 00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:38.639 out of fear that it would, you know, attract people 1009 00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:40.599 to steal his talent and get hip to what he 1010 00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:44.119 was doing that or you know, another thing he said 1011 00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:46.480 was like this is what bo James said. It also 1012 00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:49.960 kind of makes a promoter who has expansion ambitions say, 1013 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:52.199 wait a minute. If they're packing out every arena in 1014 00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:54.239 this territory, we got to run down there. You know, 1015 00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:58.039 you're just inviting Vince to come even sooner. And it 1016 00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:00.239 wasn't just Vince he'd be worried about. Is this Knoxville 1017 00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:03.039 drama demonstrates and others had made moves. This is a 1018 00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:05.440 part of the country where you got like two three 1019 00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:08.840 city territories and there's been four owners of six different 1020 00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:12.039 ways of slicing it over thirty years, they're always making moves. 1021 00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:14.000 It doesn't have to be the big, bad New York guy. 1022 00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:16.719 It can be to the you know, the country boy 1023 00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:19.239 from you know, two towns over that could try to 1024 00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:24.039 take their shit too, right, And so I think, you know, 1025 00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:26.599 I think there's there's evidence that Hulk actually went against 1026 00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:30.440 Ron Fuller in this war. I think too that Jimmy Barnett, 1027 00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.920 who of course helped run Georgia champion to Presting at 1028 00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:37.639 this time with oly Anderson, had some loyalties and ended 1029 00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:41.400 up backing the Knoxville guys too to some degree. I mean, 1030 00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:45.239 eventually Ron Fuller sold Knoxville to Jim Barnett, and so 1031 00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:50.000 maybe selling Knoxville to Jim Barnett his version of Knoxville 1032 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:53.440 obviously not the version of the outlaw version, right, Maybe 1033 00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:55.400 that's what sort of put Hulk in a comfortable position 1034 00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.519 to work for him. But it looks optically like Hulk 1035 00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:01.760 leaves southatern Gulf Coast and goes to the part of 1036 00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:05.360 the territory that was up for grabs, so to speak, 1037 00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:09.480 and kind of was a beneficiary of all the trouble caused, 1038 00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:13.239 and he has to have some level of not loyalty 1039 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:16.000 really but just straight familiarity with guys like Bob Rup, 1040 00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:18.639 Bob Orton Junior, and some of the other guys that 1041 00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:20.760 made that jump. We talked a lot in the early 1042 00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:23.239 stages of The Completely, the initial stages of The Complete, 1043 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:26.960 about how formative and central those guys were to Florida 1044 00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:29.559 a CHAMPIONSI Wrestling from Florida when Hogan first was training. 1045 00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:32.639 So all that you have to factor in as well. 1046 00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:36.119 I will say, by the way, in regards to ox Baker, 1047 00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:37.559 so I guess a lot of the stuff that I 1048 00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:40.440 had are actually sound bites, So you'd have to go 1049 00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:44.559 listen to you'd have to go to listen to that 1050 00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:47.280 episode of Escape from New York regarding an ox Baker, 1051 00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:52.119 Except there is one thing funny here that that ox 1052 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:56.440 Baker didn't want to lose his fight New York. Yeah, 1053 00:54:56.679 --> 00:55:02.920 he didn't want to lose, and he he would. He 1054 00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:06.239 was upset about that for the rest of his life. 1055 00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:09.960 And even where Hogan got it from. Yeah, and even 1056 00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:12.360 claim this is this is the best part. So you 1057 00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:15.400 know that there's a sequel to Escape from New York, 1058 00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:20.320 Escape from La coming soon to the Cinement, and he says, 1059 00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:22.880 and it didn't do as well, and he says the 1060 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:27.519 reason that the sequel failed was because he wasn't in it. 1061 00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:31.639 Of course, I mean, come on, folks, everybody knows that, everybody, 1062 00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:35.239 because everyone came to escape from New York for the Ox. 1063 00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:39.320 Okay, for the Ox, I'll tell you looking ahead of it, 1064 00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:41.800 not only is he coming in to join Billy Spears family, 1065 00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:44.280 he's coming in to work a series of matches with Theulk. 1066 00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:46.920 Ox Baker is waiting for Hulk, and in fact, here 1067 00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:49.559 Ron Fuller tell it, they would have started the Ox 1068 00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:51.880 Baker Hulk Hogan feud a lot earlier than they did, 1069 00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:54.599 and in fact, it may have even preempted the Andre 1070 00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:57.840 the Giant idea. If Ox was available at the first time, 1071 00:55:57.880 --> 00:55:59.960 they had the idea of matching these two up, which 1072 00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:01.079 it's just wild to think about. 1073 00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:01.519 As well. 1074 00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:07.239 So as in the Empty Studio once again, on the 1075 00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.440 Gulf Coast television, Billy Spears calls him Stirling the Hulk 1076 00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:14.679 Golden and he has them watching an interview that had 1077 00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:17.119 been cut in New York and sent to Dothan three 1078 00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:18.880 days earlier by the Giant. 1079 00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:19.920 Wow. 1080 00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:23.000 So Andre's there shooting TV for WWWF and he takes 1081 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:25.760 a moment to shoot TV that's going to be sent 1082 00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:29.159 down to Dothan for this hoping. So can you imagine 1083 00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:33.639 sitting at home in Dothan, Alabama watching Southeastern Championship Wrestling 1084 00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:37.480 and you see a tape shot in presumably Allentown, PA, 1085 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:41.519 with Andre at ringside at the WWWF taping setting we 1086 00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:44.199 all know so well, and he's cutting a promo on 1087 00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:48.119 Hulk Hogan and he's coming Terry the Hulk Bowlder. So 1088 00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:53.400 that WWF has that because that's their fucking equipment being used. 1089 00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:56.119 That's part of one of the marathon taping sessions somewhere. 1090 00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:59.760 So if you don't produce andres first promo on Hulk, 1091 00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:01.360 out of your fucking minds, guys. 1092 00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:04.320 We'll never see it. Why is that because they don't 1093 00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:07.800 want us to, they don't care. Suck it. 1094 00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:10.360 This was not the week for this news to come out. 1095 00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:13.079 When we're sucking and we're knee deep in kneeds and 1096 00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:14.880 wants around Hulk Hogan and video. 1097 00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:17.280 Plats the kit. That's what I'm gonna have to do. 1098 00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:20.679 Like the kids, and like the kids in school used 1099 00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:27.480 to say, yeah, bad because bad kids. Eyebrow rings right, Yeah, 1100 00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:31.599 just unbelievable that a New York promo was sent to 1101 00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:35.320 Dothan from Andre's lips to Hulk Hogan before he'd even 1102 00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:38.079 laid eyes on the guy, just cutting a promo on, 1103 00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:41.920 you know, his most lucrative foe. And he's talking about 1104 00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:44.000 coming back to Dothan, according to Ron Fuller, because Andre 1105 00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:46.920 had come to the territory several times before, and they 1106 00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:50.320 had opened Othan in nineteen seventy eight, and Andre, ron 1107 00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.880 Fuller says, was on that first card when his family 1108 00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:56.519 opened up their own their uh their promotion and doth 1109 00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:59.840 in Alabama. When they opened doth into the promotion, they 1110 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:03.119 were running elsewhere, and Andre said he looked forward to 1111 00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:07.679 coming back. And then Andre, according to Ron Fuller, here 1112 00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:09.599 for the first time, that's just from the stud cast 1113 00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:14.280 his Ron Fuller's podcast again highest recommendation for the first 1114 00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:17.039 time our promo turns his attention. 1115 00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:19.119 To Hulk, and he said he had never heard of 1116 00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:22.440 this Russer, which is true. You know, he said he 1117 00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:26.400 never heard of this Russer called the Hulk, but everyone 1118 00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:30.000 that knew him said he was a very big guy. 1119 00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:33.320 And you know, and then andread ended up in his 1120 00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:36.440 normal fashion, he said, but I don't care. The bigger 1121 00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:40.320 the better. You know, he wasn't concerned about it. So 1122 00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:45.079 Spears jumped in, you know, the second the video ended, 1123 00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:47.840 and he said, this was the moment he and Sterling 1124 00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:51.760 had been waiting for. And then suddenly, for the first 1125 00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:54.440 time Hulk had done anything like this, he just stopped 1126 00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:58.920 Billy wrighting, Hey, Hey, hey, I got this wow, and 1127 00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:04.559 he asked, you know, he says that he says to Billy, 1128 00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:07.440 he says, how many times have I told you my 1129 00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:12.280 name is Terry. Then for the first time, he didn't 1130 00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:14.880 just say that little thing to say. He took over 1131 00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:17.519 the rest of the interview. He was like a different 1132 00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:21.559 person in this personality profile than we had seen from him. 1133 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:24.559 So Hoaks said, basically, you know, they're going to be 1134 00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:28.760 two big phenomenal things in wrestling that were going to 1135 00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:31.480 happen this month, and both of them are going to 1136 00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:34.199 happen in Southeastern wrestling, and both of them are going 1137 00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:37.840 to change wrestling history forever. He said. Next Friday night, 1138 00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:41.599 he says, I'm going to beat Andre the Giant, and 1139 00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:44.679 then three weeks later, I'm going to beat the NWA 1140 00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:46.320 World Champion Harley Race. 1141 00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:48.320 Whoa wow, and he walked. 1142 00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:51.719 Off the set. Billy Spears chasing behind him, apologizing, Hey, 1143 00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:54.400 you hope, whoa whoa. You know, that was a pretty 1144 00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:58.000 short little deal, but it was very effective so that 1145 00:59:58.320 --> 00:59:59.880 it showed the different personality. 1146 01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:04.280 So Hulk steps into the foreground and says, I got this, 1147 01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:08.199 spears Andre. Not only am I going to beat your ass, 1148 01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:11.360 I'm gonna turn around become NBA World Heavyweight Champion. 1149 01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:15.960 Yeah, yeah, where's the fucking footage? Didn't happen? 1150 01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:17.960 I mean, this is him coming into his own in 1151 01:00:18.039 --> 01:00:19.119 every conceivable way. 1152 01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:26.039 Didn't happen. There's no television evidence. Didn't happen. How do 1153 01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:26.360 I know? 1154 01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:33.800 H nothing. I'm electrified just hearing him describe that. I know, 1155 01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:36.440 I mean, what what are you seeing? When he's hot? 1156 01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:39.920 When he's utting that picture out? I mean it's hard 1157 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:42.360 because I know, why does his voice sound like I 1158 01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:44.960 want to see like I want to see Hull Cogan 1159 01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:48.559 in like eighty five. But the problem is I know 1160 01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:54.239 what Hull Cogan was sounding like, you know, and it 1161 01:00:54.360 --> 01:01:00.920 wasn't pretty, you know, because I because I also think 1162 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:03.559 of so I wanted to be Hulk Hogan in his prime. 1163 01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:08.639 But I can't help but think it's hl Hogan on 1164 01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:14.159 Johnny Carson. Yes, right right, devoid of any over the. 1165 01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:20.679 Top right exactly. That's that's that's my concern. But I 1166 01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:23.480 don't know, you know, very well could have been but 1167 01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:24.000 for him. 1168 01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:25.199 Even just for a small amount of time, to be 1169 01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:28.519 portrayed as this silent killer monster you know who said 1170 01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:31.679 less than Goldberg in those early days. Yes, by the way, 1171 01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:35.159 shout out to everyone on x and Patreon who noticed that, Yes, 1172 01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:38.079 Hulk Hogan was indeed the first coming of Bill Goldberg. 1173 01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:42.280 That it's precisely how he was pushed in Gulf Coast. 1174 01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:46.079 The for him to suddenly like not only talk but 1175 01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:49.679 offer more than just a grunt and acknowledgment of what 1176 01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:52.039 Billy Spears is saying for him is so huge. Yeah, 1177 01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:53.760 And to step into the foreground and say those things, 1178 01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:55.920 It's like, whoa, this guy is not only ready to 1179 01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:58.800 take on Andre, they want us as fans to now 1180 01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:01.840 think of him as a potential NWL champion. It's been 1181 01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:04.920 in the business for like three months since the return, yep. 1182 01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:09.119 So it's very clear. And so there's something that does 1183 01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:11.599 survive and we are deeply fortunate for this. And according 1184 01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:13.599 to the Wrestling Gold series the Kid Parker Films put out, 1185 01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:16.199 this comes from some private collection. It's not Ron Fuller's. 1186 01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:18.400 He said he doesn't have footage going much before nineteen 1187 01:02:18.519 --> 01:02:19.440 eighty I believe. 1188 01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:24.000 Is what he said. Fucking he is, Oh, I know, idiot. 1189 01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:26.039 The word salad he must throw at you when you 1190 01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:27.960 ask him save these tapes. 1191 01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:32.559 Well you know, yeah, yeah, fail. I just oh wow, 1192 01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:34.840 you know what the problem? I wanted to my memory 1193 01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:36.920 more than I want to live on Okay, it, so 1194 01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:40.440 we do have. I prefer to just sit there and 1195 01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:42.480 think about it and dream about it than I do 1196 01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:43.400 to actually experience. 1197 01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:46.079 We might not know anything about this if it wasn't 1198 01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:52.039 for this VHS that found the Hult versus Andre in 1199 01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:55.360 the arm wrestling match at the doth And TV studios 1200 01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:58.119 to set up their first match. We have footage of 1201 01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:00.559 the angle. We have Billy Spears at ring side with 1202 01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:03.239 his back to the hardcam. We have you know, two 1203 01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:06.920 three rows of bleachered fans with that like pink spotlight 1204 01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:08.880 on the blue wall like it's fucking a w A 1205 01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:14.039 teen Challenge series over here, and we have we have 1206 01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:16.320 the full texture of what it looks like. Yeah, we're 1207 01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:18.760 gonna watch that along with you. You can find it on YouTube. 1208 01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:21.519 A simple Andre Hulk arm Wrestling Alabama. We'll get you there, 1209 01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:24.239 but we're gonna watch it here along with you. And 1210 01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:26.440 if you're ready, boss, I am ready. Have you ever 1211 01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:28.760 seen this before? First, No, I have never seen this before. 1212 01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:31.679 This is a man. This is brand new to me. 1213 01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:34.679 I'm very very this is you know. 1214 01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:38.039 I used to always find want these these kind of 1215 01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:42.079 tapes of the unseen Hulk Hogan stuff. Yes, this one, 1216 01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:42.960 I've never seen this. 1217 01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:47.440 Here we go three two one, play. 1218 01:03:48.199 --> 01:03:49.199 And headed for the ring. 1219 01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:52.199 Terry the Hulk Bowlder is in the ring now. 1220 01:03:52.440 --> 01:04:02.480 Yes, we have a challenge here. And Andre looks huge. 1221 01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:08.199 There you see the eighth wonder of the world, Andre 1222 01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:09.159 the Giant. 1223 01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:13.400 The history right here is like and. 1224 01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:21.880 Terry the Hawk Boulder Nicky Steinborn into instruck the gentleman 1225 01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:24.599 on the rules of his arm wrestling match. 1226 01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:27.800 No, I can't hear the grips. 1227 01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:28.840 Look at the size of a. 1228 01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:36.480 Yeah, stronger going on? Here we go? 1229 01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:38.840 Here we go, Steinborn laying in the rules all across 1230 01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:39.760 this wooden table. 1231 01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:44.239 In the middle of the ring. The xplaining Hogan's locks 1232 01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:44.719 are flowing. 1233 01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:47.320 What must be done to win this match? 1234 01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:52.119 We get there, have started evenly matched so far. 1235 01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:54.679 Struggling. 1236 01:04:55.559 --> 01:05:00.199 Willie Spears at ringside still looks like he's hurting, right 1237 01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:02.760 that seven Dickie Steinborn, the lean. 1238 01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:08.000 Wolf, got park Old looking who andric But the whole 1239 01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:12.480 looks like on these frings some expressions the haultage, it 1240 01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:14.679 looks like on the half springs and expression duck. 1241 01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:20.360 Maybe ongres coming down? Oh yeah, o Russell. 1242 01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:21.000 Then you want to be. 1243 01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:22.199 Shaped like it says. 1244 01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:24.519 Here and tell him the whole time back he's gonna split. 1245 01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:27.440 Let's look at him, look at him God and his sandals. 1246 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:31.840 Yeah right, that's montre A. Matt Billy Spears is got 1247 01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:34.880 in the ring, Aldredes after Spears, look for Spears. 1248 01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:43.280 Plugget's got the table, Holgan's got the table after on 1249 01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:49.360 the table roll and stumping the ship out of him 1250 01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:54.480 and sandals like he's called Ardwarf to Vader Sweet clubbing entre, 1251 01:05:54.920 --> 01:06:00.800 the off road entre, y Ronhouse rats on the classic 1252 01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:03.480 rights and I blade too. H is trying to do 1253 01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:07.039 what's the andre the clubbing gloss in the. 1254 01:06:07.320 --> 01:06:11.719 Funds to the floor on the manager of the Hulk 1255 01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:15.000 sus him back Yender again, he dogs Hunger again. 1256 01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:21.199 So I'm hearing that cut place on and. 1257 01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:23.599 On the. 1258 01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:30.000 Giant is down in the corner and the Hawk is 1259 01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:30.360 still on. 1260 01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:31.800 He's paring at him. 1261 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:34.239 He's trying to really open him up and. 1262 01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:35.000 Take him out of him. 1263 01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:40.039 Had a commission for good. He's bowling at me now, Charlie, 1264 01:06:40.679 --> 01:06:42.599 Let's see if we get somebody in there to stop this. 1265 01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:48.719 Andres the word and the Hawk is back into a game. 1266 01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:55.039 This is the harst time I've ever Sirs shop to 1267 01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:55.519 stay alive. 1268 01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:58.280 I've guys coming back where he comes. 1269 01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:01.440 Said, halt, why bit right? 1270 01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:04.199 I hate the man Terry Boulder shoes now, but he's 1271 01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:04.800 fighting him. 1272 01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:07.519 We're those two superman in the way and ten other 1273 01:07:07.559 --> 01:07:10.440 shot and Terry Bales. Andre's got a whole of them. 1274 01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:16.639 That's the wildest thing, obviously. 1275 01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:20.079 And there was that wrestling world's biggest man right there, 1276 01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:21.719 and he's been busted open. 1277 01:07:21.559 --> 01:07:25.480 By the first time you've seen that. I'm so happy 1278 01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:27.800 that you hadn't seen that before. I've never seen that before, 1279 01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:30.760 So just say things about it, please, I am. I 1280 01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:33.480 mean you know what, I I take it all back. 1281 01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:36.440 I mean, Hogan was like Hogan was a was a 1282 01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:39.400 was a madman and really yeah, yeah, I mean he's 1283 01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:43.159 like he's got he's got there's such a. 1284 01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:49.920 A sense of him that you know him in the future. 1285 01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:52.440 You know, he's got that. That the way he was 1286 01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:54.559 holding Andrey's hand and he was like shaking his head 1287 01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:57.079 and all this stuff, that's that's classic Hogan right there. 1288 01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:00.920 That's vintage Hogan. A lot of the mannerisms and no 1289 01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:03.639 he it was. And but you know what I love 1290 01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:08.440 the most, and it's what we talked about and discovered 1291 01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:15.239 in in the Uh in the AWA is the kind 1292 01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:18.159 of the badass Hule Cogan. Yes, the whole Cogan who's 1293 01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:21.159 coming in with with you know, is it. He's just 1294 01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:25.600 got intensity and he's he's trying to hurt. He's trying 1295 01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:26.560 to hurt his opponent. 1296 01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:28.199 He's not trying to entertain, he's not trying to be 1297 01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:32.239 a fucking matinee idol. He's just trying to kick ass, 1298 01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:34.279 which is why people fell in love with them the 1299 01:08:34.279 --> 01:08:36.560 first place, and why he became the biggest baby face 1300 01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:40.399 attraction in the business. Yeah, because money drawing babyfaces come 1301 01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:42.359 to kick ass, and you believe they're here to kick ass, 1302 01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:44.079 and if they have a ton of charisma on top 1303 01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:47.239 of it, that's all gravy, except your babyface isn't here 1304 01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:52.640 to fuck somebody up. They're not maximizing their box office appeal, right, 1305 01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:54.880 and had that in him and he had that in 1306 01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:57.359 him from from from the beginning as a heel. I mean, 1307 01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:00.000 I'm going to notice all kinds of like first journey 1308 01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:02.560 of things as we go. But the way he's shaking 1309 01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:05.399 in that Armorsson contest, that's the way he shakes in 1310 01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:07.079 any test of strength he would ever do in the 1311 01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:11.279 big w af Matt exactly exactly, same trembling we recognize 1312 01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:16.079 even on this grainy footage. And he's got wild like 1313 01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:19.199 you know, almost like pajama pants on and sandals. Yeah, 1314 01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:23.119 that's fascinating to me. The whole corpse sell goes into 1315 01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:25.560 the ring and there's Andrea his cowboy boots with no 1316 01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:27.520 shirt on in his own right, flailing all over for 1317 01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:29.840 the whole I don't know, man, Andre's not doing that 1318 01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:31.079 for many guys in seventy. 1319 01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:34.600 No, no, I mean he ah the way that Andre 1320 01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:38.079 sells for Hogan in that I mean he is, He's 1321 01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:39.760 letting you know that this is a big deal. 1322 01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:43.079 Right exactly, especially if you're in the business and you 1323 01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:45.000 know what it takes to get Andre to sell like 1324 01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:47.560 that for you, what you have to show Andre in 1325 01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:50.439 terms of spark to get him to believe it's worth 1326 01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:54.199 handing over his equity as this you know, monster that 1327 01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:57.600 can't be stopped to somebody like. And that's that's what 1328 01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:00.039 everyone says, from Ron Fuller on down, what Andre we 1329 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:01.560 saw in this guy was a guy I could actually 1330 01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:06.359 work with. When you're of such freakish proportions, it's really 1331 01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:08.680 hard to find an opponent you can go around the 1332 01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:10.960 horn with and make money with that the fans will 1333 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:13.920 buys a legitimate physical threat to you, and Hulk was 1334 01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:16.520 the right place, right guy in that regard. Andre saw 1335 01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:19.239 it right away. He's in the territory for just one weekend, 1336 01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:22.600 just one weekend, and we shoot this TV angle that 1337 01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:25.880 were privileged to watch all these decades later as a 1338 01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:29.720 first glimpse of a chemistry between Hulk Cogan and Andre 1339 01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:31.560 the Giant that would to say they very at least 1340 01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:34.640 go to the bank, go to the fucking bank. Yes, 1341 01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:38.119 So it's time for the match in Dothan, and according 1342 01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:39.880 to Ron Fuller, it set an all time record not 1343 01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:42.560 just for Southeastern at that point, but for the building 1344 01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:45.279 they were running in itself, of any farm it's called 1345 01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:48.840 the Houston County Farm Center, where Hulk and Andre wrestled 1346 01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:51.920 for the very first time. According to Ron Fuller, the 1347 01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:54.640 building was built to hold five thousand people, but they 1348 01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:58.199 had six thousand squeezed into the building because people watch 1349 01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:00.800 that angle that we just saw were Hulk waffles Andre 1350 01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:04.039 over the head, Yeah, with a fucking wooden arm wrestling table, 1351 01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:08.880 and Andre blades like a motherfucker and bleeds and suffers. 1352 01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:12.640 And you don't think the fine people of Dothan are 1353 01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:15.520 gonna think it's worth five six bucks to see Andre 1354 01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:18.319 beat the shit out of this guy, Yes, or maybe 1355 01:11:18.359 --> 01:11:20.640 even more tantalizingly, to see if maybe Hulk can actually 1356 01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:23.920 take the fight to Andre. Because they've seen nothing but 1357 01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:27.960 credible physical opposition from hul Hogan, they have reason to 1358 01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:29.720 believe that maybe this guy is actually gonna beat Andre 1359 01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:31.800 the Giant. I got to be there to see that 1360 01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:35.640 shit the all time record. Houston County Farm Center a 1361 01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:39.000 very important building to this territory, and a very important building, 1362 01:11:39.039 --> 01:11:40.840 come to find out, to the history of Hulk Hogan 1363 01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:46.800 and Andre the Giant. Recently, the building was undergoing extensive renovations, 1364 01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:51.399 and this television news clip from WDHN Television down there 1365 01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:54.840 puts it all into perspective as to what's happening at 1366 01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:57.680 the former Houston County Farm Center site, which now it's 1367 01:11:57.720 --> 01:12:00.680 firmly established thanks to the complete Hulk. Hogan is a 1368 01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:02.279 pilgrimage site. It's a holy site. 1369 01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:02.479 Yeah. 1370 01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:04.680 If it's where Hogan and Andre first wrestled, it's got 1371 01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:05.520 to be a holy site. 1372 01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:06.640 We got to make that a thing. 1373 01:12:07.239 --> 01:12:09.359 So here we'll bring up to speed on what's there now, 1374 01:12:09.479 --> 01:12:12.520 what's happening at the site now, and you better believe 1375 01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:15.159 that this ends. This clip here ends in the most 1376 01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:16.760 money way possible. 1377 01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:20.680 The Wiregrass Tonight, a historic landmark in Houston County, is 1378 01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:24.159 undergoing a multi million dollar makeover, and almost a year later, 1379 01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:27.840 the foundation is starting to come together. The WDHNS Robert 1380 01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:28.800 Smith has the story. 1381 01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:31.319 Not even a full year since the makeover on the 1382 01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:34.000 Houston County Farm Center began, and county officials are blown 1383 01:12:34.039 --> 01:12:36.359 away by the progress of the iconic landmarks. 1384 01:12:36.640 --> 01:12:38.359 I'm very excited, you know, a lot of work is 1385 01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:40.840 finally starting to come together, and we're starting to see 1386 01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:44.119 kind of things take safe and so very exciting. 1387 01:12:44.359 --> 01:12:47.159 Months ago, the roof was replaced with standing scene metal 1388 01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:49.800 that will last about fifty years. And now a majority 1389 01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:51.800 of the work has taken place inside the arena. 1390 01:12:52.039 --> 01:12:55.399 Interior is pretty close to being done. The bath rooms 1391 01:12:55.439 --> 01:12:59.039 are gonna be flown down pretty soon. It's closed to 1392 01:12:59.119 --> 01:13:04.680 start laying the concrete foundation next week, so that'll be good. 1393 01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:06.880 And you can see we've actually been able to save 1394 01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:09.600 some of the other structures that used to be here 1395 01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:11.720 on the grounds, like the horse barn, so the horse 1396 01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:14.079 born is now the way is coding for the arenas. 1397 01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:16.479 With the farm Center being historic to many, Shoop says 1398 01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:19.119 they wanted to make sure history is preserved but also 1399 01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:22.079 make it more modern into a flexible event space mainly 1400 01:13:22.239 --> 01:13:24.279 used for the home of the Farmer's Market, but not 1401 01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:25.279 only limited to it. 1402 01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:28.479 Future generations will be able to enjoy the structure just 1403 01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:32.000 as as much as the previous generation has. We think 1404 01:13:32.119 --> 01:13:34.920 that this building is something that will be special, and 1405 01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:38.279 we think it's something that everybody will appreciate that everybody 1406 01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:38.560 will do. 1407 01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:42.039 Product Shoe says. County Services will also occupy the farm Center. 1408 01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:44.640 The Commission to prove the Sanitation and Building Department to 1409 01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:45.640 be a tenant there. 1410 01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:49.000 Offended this property so it will join the arena it 1411 01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:52.640 will join the new DHR building and needs something new 1412 01:13:52.760 --> 01:13:55.520 coming to the farm Center property. The space that we 1413 01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:58.159 have now is just not conducive to taking payments, and 1414 01:13:58.279 --> 01:13:59.760 there's just a law of you over step with literally 1415 01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:01.800 still and let each other's stones in there. 1416 01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:04.359 Shoot says he's thankful that the City of Dothan canceled 1417 01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:06.479 the original set of the Farm Center and allowed them 1418 01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:09.960 to invest in it, also using multiple local contracts. Right 1419 01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:12.720 the center has expended to be completed. 1420 01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:15.399 In February, looking forward to having a grand opening. I 1421 01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:17.359 don't know what the first event is going to be, 1422 01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:19.960 but if I had my pick, it would be wrestling. 1423 01:14:24.079 --> 01:14:27.720 If if I had my pick, it would be wrestling. 1424 01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:33.800 I mean, is there another option if it is to 1425 01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:36.920 be wrestling? If there is to be a wrestling card 1426 01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:40.079 upon the reopening of the Houston County Farm Center in Dothan, Alabama, 1427 01:14:40.479 --> 01:14:44.039 site of the very first Hulk Hoganonner, I think I 1428 01:14:44.119 --> 01:14:47.439 can commit to making the pilgrimage. Yes, I don't care 1429 01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:48.239 who I can card. 1430 01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:53.239 Yeah, it'll be some fucking goofball, probably headlined by Billy 1431 01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:54.680 Gunn or something, and we will. 1432 01:14:54.640 --> 01:14:58.279 Make We'll make pit stops at any video archive and 1433 01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:02.840 library in the Tri State area. Yes, to see what 1434 01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:05.000 we can find. Let's go to the courthouse. I mean, 1435 01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:08.560 let's fucking go. Okay, let's go to wherever he lived. Well, 1436 01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:11.119 he lived in the beach, So maybe we'll get an RV. 1437 01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:13.159 That's what we should do. 1438 01:15:13.239 --> 01:15:15.560 Yeah, we should written RV and just fucking drive down 1439 01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:20.840 and and live life like hul Cogan Leslie. Yeah. Well, 1440 01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:23.880 I don't know about Ed Leslie to come with us. 1441 01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:28.439 Imagine show us where so much where you showered. I mean, 1442 01:15:28.479 --> 01:15:32.039 all right, it's kind of weird, guys, but oh I 1443 01:15:32.079 --> 01:15:34.239 don't I don't know about you said I do it. 1444 01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:37.880 Then you said you pay me in travelers checks, right, Yes, 1445 01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:42.560 if that's what you want travelers checks, don't worry if 1446 01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:49.680 we have cash. Jesus, it's that time. It's that time, 1447 01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:56.720 holidays are here. It's time to get home alone. I can't. 1448 01:15:56.720 --> 01:16:01.159 I mean, this is just too much the history. I mean, yeah, dude, it's. 1449 01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:06.439 It's I mean, you don't have any idea about this 1450 01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:11.560 growing up, no clue. I mean they didn't know about 1451 01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:14.279 this until three years ago when he started doing this podcast. 1452 01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:21.479 Right, Because that's part of it, too, is the is 1453 01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:25.359 there's so much you know, because like, like we've been 1454 01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:27.479 saying that there's so much stuff that that's really just 1455 01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:32.079 a very like not even not even a handful, but 1456 01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:38.119 like a pinch, a pinch of the United States population 1457 01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:44.439 witnessed any of this shit a pinch, and it was 1458 01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:47.319 like no one knowing any clue. It might have well 1459 01:16:47.319 --> 01:16:52.079 have been buried by the rest of the country. It's unbelievable. 1460 01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:53.720 And the more I think about it, the more it 1461 01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:56.600 does fit Terry in a lot of ways in his 1462 01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:58.840 personality because one of the things with him looking there 1463 01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:00.359 was book you really feel this way, But both of them, 1464 01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:02.439 there's these chapters like why did he write a book? 1465 01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:04.319 A MiG read chapter about that there's a fucking reason 1466 01:17:04.399 --> 01:17:06.199 to address this one thing out of the million things 1467 01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:08.239 that happened to him. I think what you realize is 1468 01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:11.920 he's got the kind of brain, the kind of organizational 1469 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:15.800 brain and like photo recall brain, where he doesn't forget 1470 01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:18.840 a single thing that was ever published about him, right, 1471 01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:23.039 and what's reality to him isn't what happened to him. 1472 01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:27.520 It's what other people can confirm happened to him. What 1473 01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:31.399 right independent verification exists. That's why he freaks out when 1474 01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:34.119 he's on these modern podcasts and they can pull up 1475 01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:36.800 video and the snap of the finger via Google of 1476 01:17:36.840 --> 01:17:39.039 things he actually said and the way he actually put things. 1477 01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:42.359 He's not comfortable in that world because no, no, he's 1478 01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:46.239 for him to settle the narrative to his advantage. He's 1479 01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:47.920 got to be able to characterize what was said in 1480 01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:51.119 the first place, counting on no one having the wherewithal, 1481 01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:53.239 if not the motivation or time to go track down 1482 01:17:53.279 --> 01:17:56.560 the source material themselves, which of course is one of 1483 01:17:56.640 --> 01:17:58.760 the many reasons that doing something like the complete Hull 1484 01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:01.479 Cogain is so invigorating for us, because we can go 1485 01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:03.199 we have all the time in the world, and all 1486 01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:04.960 the resources in the world, and all the support from 1487 01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:06.600 our listeners in the world to go right to the 1488 01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:10.560 mat to find the source, the primary source every time yep. 1489 01:18:11.479 --> 01:18:15.600 And so here he is not having to talk about 1490 01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:17.960 this part of his career because it wasn't documented anywhere. 1491 01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:20.439 There's not a photo out there that he has to 1492 01:18:20.520 --> 01:18:23.640 explain and have a story about, particularly how maybe the 1493 01:18:23.640 --> 01:18:26.039 photo would conflict with all he told people for years 1494 01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:28.479 about how the first time he ever met or saw 1495 01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:31.680 Andre the Giant was in New York Because as I 1496 01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:34.920 point out last time he does talk about Dothan, he 1497 01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:37.319 does talk about wrestling in Alabama and living with Ed 1498 01:18:37.359 --> 01:18:41.119 Leslie on the beach and seeing Ron Fuller rob Fuller's cock, right, 1499 01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:42.960 and when he's jumping off the diving board with a 1500 01:18:43.000 --> 01:18:47.520 titlele he acknowledges that he came through this area, but 1501 01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:51.159 he never mentions crossing paths with Andrea the Giant for 1502 01:18:51.239 --> 01:18:53.359 the first time in his life in this area. Why 1503 01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:55.760 would that be Why would he act like the first 1504 01:18:55.800 --> 01:18:57.439 time he ever saw Andrea's when he goes to New 1505 01:18:57.520 --> 01:18:59.640 York the next year or at the end of the 1506 01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:03.479 year seventy nine. I don't know, but I think it's 1507 01:19:03.479 --> 01:19:06.439 probably because he didn't think anybody would ever see it 1508 01:19:06.520 --> 01:19:08.199 or hear about it, and therefore it's not part of 1509 01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:11.479 his reality. But what about this video though, this videotape, 1510 01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:14.199 This videotape, I agree. I mean, I don't think as 1511 01:19:14.279 --> 01:19:16.640 unplugged as Hogan seemed to be around YouTube and what 1512 01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:18.720 it was, I wouldn't surprise me if he didn't even 1513 01:19:18.760 --> 01:19:21.159 know this was out there, honestly by the time he 1514 01:19:21.279 --> 01:19:25.439 sat down to recollect for his two books. But it's 1515 01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:29.039 just so weird that, of all the hours and hours 1516 01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:31.880 of interviews Hogan has done about Andrew the Giant that 1517 01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:33.720 he never talks about where it all started. He never 1518 01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:37.279 talks about this arm wrestling angle with the table. It's unbelievable. 1519 01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:41.399 It's unbelievable. There's just something about it. He doesn't want. 1520 01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:43.880 In my way of thinking, Hulk doesn't want people to 1521 01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:46.880 start directing their attention to this stage of his life. 1522 01:19:47.279 --> 01:19:49.640 They don't want to. He doesn't want them to be 1523 01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:52.319 asking questions about this stage of his life. And I 1524 01:19:52.399 --> 01:19:54.279 think we've nibbled around the edges a little bit. I 1525 01:19:54.319 --> 01:19:56.800 think doctor d David Schultz may have told us exactly 1526 01:19:56.880 --> 01:19:57.520 why that might be. 1527 01:19:58.640 --> 01:19:59.880 There might be, I don't. 1528 01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:03.079 I just envisioned some police stations somewhere around there having 1529 01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:09.359 one too many documents about what other ways Hulk may 1530 01:20:09.439 --> 01:20:13.640 have been making ends meet at this particular point in time. Brother, 1531 01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:14.760 I didn't know. 1532 01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:18.439 I'm not saying, I'm just in my mind. I know, brother, 1533 01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:21.880 you know, you know sometimes true. I mean, I have 1534 01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:24.560 done something, dude, but you're implying that I did everything. 1535 01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:26.720 I think David Chelton implied and I just repeated it. 1536 01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:27.600 But it's fine. 1537 01:20:28.439 --> 01:20:36.039 Jesse and Randall call Randy Coley and the publicists that 1538 01:20:36.079 --> 01:20:38.359 you used to have around the story trial, and and 1539 01:20:38.439 --> 01:20:39.880 in your own book, how you talked about how you're 1540 01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:41.840 afraid that the government might have evidence to flip I 1541 01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:42.800 don't call you a dealer. 1542 01:20:43.239 --> 01:20:47.199 Well I don't have Well, probably they they may have 1543 01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:49.399 evidence on Hulk Hogan. They don't have answered Terry Boy 1544 01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:56.000 about Terry Boulder. There's a curve ball he's never had 1545 01:20:56.039 --> 01:21:01.560 to deal with before. You're talking about Terry Boulder. Who 1546 01:21:01.800 --> 01:21:04.279 bring Terry Boulder? What do you bring him for? Why 1547 01:21:04.279 --> 01:21:06.199 did you bring up Terry Boulder? Which wamp we've been 1548 01:21:06.199 --> 01:21:08.359 here about. You're talking about who you're talking about Terry? 1549 01:21:08.439 --> 01:21:09.960 What if I asked you about No one ever asked 1550 01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:11.760 you about this guy ever in your life. Tell me 1551 01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:20.159 about Billy Spears. Oh, I don't know. Well, you're telling 1552 01:21:20.199 --> 01:21:22.319 him Billy Spears brother. You think you know so much 1553 01:21:22.319 --> 01:21:25.920 about him? That was brother. That was my original idea 1554 01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:30.680 of my name for Goldberg about you know Billy Spears, 1555 01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:35.760 Goldberg brother. You know the spear man, Billy Billy Spears, 1556 01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:41.000 Philly Spears brother, he'd be spearing motherfuckers. I mean, why 1557 01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:43.960 do you ask me who was that? Who's Billy Spears. 1558 01:21:44.199 --> 01:21:50.600 Have you seen tape? Yeh, there's something called the newspaper archive. Now, 1559 01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:55.359 but you got tape, dude, you taping? Not right now? 1560 01:21:58.199 --> 01:21:59.960 I'm just asking you about Billy Spears. I know he 1561 01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:01.960 was an important part of your early career. 1562 01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:09.520 But you recording this conversation, dude, Oh it is a podcast? Oh? 1563 01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:13.199 He says it like, Oh, I'm not I wasn't born yesterday. Brother, 1564 01:22:13.640 --> 01:22:14.760 I've heard that one before. 1565 01:22:16.319 --> 01:22:18.520 I don't want this podcast, busess. Brother, I'm talking about 1566 01:22:18.520 --> 01:22:20.680 Blue Spears. Dude, who told you about Blue Spears? Where 1567 01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:21.600 you getting your sources from? 1568 01:22:21.640 --> 01:22:21.840 Brother? 1569 01:22:22.000 --> 01:22:22.119 Oh? 1570 01:22:22.159 --> 01:22:23.479 I don't know if you know this, Terry, but a 1571 01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:26.119 lot of some collectors had tape of you when you 1572 01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:28.439 were being managed by Billy Spears, working with Andre, doing 1573 01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:30.640 an angle with Andre before anybody even heard about you 1574 01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:32.399 in seventy nine in Dothan. 1575 01:22:35.720 --> 01:22:38.239 I never, I don't even know who Andre is, dude, 1576 01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:42.439 What Andre under the Giant? What do you mean what 1577 01:22:42.600 --> 01:22:47.479 Andre and and the Giant? Brother? Yeah, Andy Russ Andrew 1578 01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:53.600 the Giant? Correct, Andre the Giant? Broll I never, I mean, see, brother, 1579 01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:56.600 here's the thing, do you see. I'm Hulk Cogan never 1580 01:22:56.640 --> 01:23:01.279 saw under the Giant brother Nady. But I asked you, 1581 01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:05.560 what about Terry Boulder. We don't know what what about 1582 01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:06.399 Terry Boulder. 1583 01:23:07.199 --> 01:23:32.119 LA fan wrestling podcast. He's lapsed fan wrestling podcast with 1584 01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:32.680 Jack and. 1585 01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:37.479 This Terry Boulder cease to exist when you got back 1586 01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:43.039 to the trailer on the beach the second you stepped 1587 01:23:43.039 --> 01:23:51.760 out onto the onto the beach in Pennsylvania, Brother will 1588 01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:54.479 Hop dude, when I leave the house, brother on Hulk Hogan, 1589 01:23:55.560 --> 01:23:56.000 what about what. 1590 01:23:58.920 --> 01:24:01.319 Yet? Where I left the house Hulk Hogan. But you 1591 01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:05.359 weren't in seventy nine. I was. I just didn't know 1592 01:24:05.399 --> 01:24:08.880 it yet, Brother Hulk cogd. But I didn't know it yet. 1593 01:24:09.760 --> 01:24:14.000 Hey, that's kind of makes some sense anyway, because we 1594 01:24:14.079 --> 01:24:16.239 just saw the raw material in that clip there, one 1595 01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:17.920 of the precious few we have, and I want you 1596 01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:21.479 to know just so to to lower expectations, yeah, you know, 1597 01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:26.039 in a fair way. And that what we've watched him 1598 01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:28.680 in that match against the mask guy where he gives 1599 01:24:28.680 --> 01:24:31.199 them the bear hug. We just saw him attacking Andre 1600 01:24:31.239 --> 01:24:31.680 and the armor. 1601 01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:32.239 That's it. 1602 01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:37.119 Yep, that's all the video that anyone is. There's one 1603 01:24:37.159 --> 01:24:38.840 more match we're going to talk about, but it's sort 1604 01:24:38.880 --> 01:24:41.960 of it's after a Hulk leaves Alabama and then kind 1605 01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:44.119 of comes back, and it's it's more than of a 1606 01:24:44.199 --> 01:24:46.000 Knoxville clip than it is a golf closed clip. 1607 01:24:46.039 --> 01:24:47.199 But as far as him in his. 1608 01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:49.720 Earliest stages is Terry the Hope Boulder. 1609 01:24:49.880 --> 01:24:51.159 This is it. We just saw it all. 1610 01:24:52.119 --> 01:24:54.279 Unfortunately, thanks to Ron Fuller, we haven't heard it all. 1611 01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:58.319 What a fucking what a fucking travesty. Andre was just 1612 01:24:58.359 --> 01:25:01.119 coming in for three days and agree to do all 1613 01:25:01.199 --> 01:25:03.319 this stuff, shoot the angle and do two matches with 1614 01:25:03.399 --> 01:25:07.039 the guy, and part of his agreement will close. 1615 01:25:07.439 --> 01:25:09.319 So he's coming for three days? What do they do it? 1616 01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:09.520 Like? 1617 01:25:10.119 --> 01:25:10.920 So what are they gonna do? 1618 01:25:11.199 --> 01:25:11.239 Like? 1619 01:25:11.399 --> 01:25:12.159 Is he gonna come back? 1620 01:25:12.279 --> 01:25:14.399 Or is he he comes in, he does the angle 1621 01:25:14.439 --> 01:25:16.479 on live TV to promote the match that night in 1622 01:25:16.520 --> 01:25:18.680 Dothan and then they have another match. 1623 01:25:18.880 --> 01:25:19.840 So and that's it? 1624 01:25:21.439 --> 01:25:21.640 Wow? 1625 01:25:21.760 --> 01:25:21.920 Is it? 1626 01:25:22.960 --> 01:25:27.079 And uh here, Ron, I'll put it. He kind of 1627 01:25:27.119 --> 01:25:28.920 he tells different versions of this and we'll go through 1628 01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:30.520 both of them. I kind of get a little confused 1629 01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:32.840 as to when Ron says Andre first laid eyes on 1630 01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:34.640 Hulk because of course they have to get you know, 1631 01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:37.520 put their heads together backstage before encountering each other in 1632 01:25:37.640 --> 01:25:38.079 the studio. 1633 01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:40.479 When and how that happens. There is a couple of 1634 01:25:40.520 --> 01:25:47.000 different versions. I think he's told just imagine imagine Wrestlingia three. Okay, 1635 01:25:47.920 --> 01:25:53.199 Andre comes to Hogan in the back, goes are the 1636 01:25:53.319 --> 01:26:02.159 words from all about your dolphin? What we talk about Dothan? 1637 01:26:02.319 --> 01:26:06.560 What are you talking about? Brother? Also doctor dollhund and 1638 01:26:08.239 --> 01:26:12.479 whole brother. I think he's losing mine. But I don't know, 1639 01:26:12.760 --> 01:26:15.079 is he okay? Brother? Brother? How many he had? Dudes? 1640 01:26:15.119 --> 01:26:17.439 He had one hundred and fifty. Brother, he's one hundred 1641 01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:20.680 gas like you, brother. I don't even know what Alabama? 1642 01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:25.439 What do you talk about Alabama? Dude? But I didn't. 1643 01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:28.720 I didn't. I don't even know what you're talking about. Dude. 1644 01:26:29.399 --> 01:26:30.720 I've never abandoned. 1645 01:26:33.039 --> 01:26:33.479 Anywhere. 1646 01:26:33.680 --> 01:26:35.319 I can't say it. How about this? 1647 01:26:36.319 --> 01:26:38.800 How about this for a complete hull Coogan pull quote 1648 01:26:39.079 --> 01:26:41.039 that that will be remembered for years. 1649 01:26:43.119 --> 01:26:44.000 Say Alabama? 1650 01:26:44.159 --> 01:26:45.680 Eye shut dolphim. 1651 01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:53.039 I mean, who would have thought that we'd end up 1652 01:26:53.279 --> 01:26:58.159 laser focused on Andre trying to Pinhogan down about this 1653 01:26:58.319 --> 01:27:02.359 actually having happened, quib and just insisting on referring to 1654 01:27:02.439 --> 01:27:04.720 it only as Dothan, So that Hogan can't run away 1655 01:27:05.199 --> 01:27:07.079 and pretend it was somewhere else in Alabama. 1656 01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:13.800 What episode was it? Oh, yeah, you know what it was. 1657 01:27:14.359 --> 01:27:17.920 Oh Jesus was the first Hulk Andrea edition of the 1658 01:27:17.960 --> 01:27:23.399 Complete Hulk Hogan. Now Here is Ron stud Ron Fuller 1659 01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:27.640 in some more detail describing Andre's sort of feeling about 1660 01:27:27.640 --> 01:27:30.039 the whole program with Hulk and meeting this guy. 1661 01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:33.720 So after just meeting Hulk the afternoon before their first match, 1662 01:27:34.079 --> 01:27:37.600 Andre was shot man with the response in the size 1663 01:27:37.640 --> 01:27:40.239 of the crowd that night, and he had nothing but 1664 01:27:40.399 --> 01:27:43.439 good things to say about the hope. He was sold 1665 01:27:43.520 --> 01:27:46.640 on the fact that we had found for him the 1666 01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:50.000 opponent of his future, you know, someone big enough for 1667 01:27:50.119 --> 01:27:53.920 Andre to have a legitimate match with. So no wonder 1668 01:27:54.000 --> 01:27:56.319 he was all in when Louie and I we went 1669 01:27:56.399 --> 01:28:01.119 and suggested to him Saturday morning TV day we do 1670 01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:03.880 a little arm wrestling contest that day on the TV, 1671 01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:05.920 and he was all in. 1672 01:28:06.520 --> 01:28:10.680 Wow, it was all wud So the arm wrestling contest 1673 01:28:10.760 --> 01:28:14.199 we just saw. This is to clarify the timeline, happens 1674 01:28:14.439 --> 01:28:19.079 the morning after the first match. Okay, So he saw 1675 01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:23.279 that just Hulk looking into the camera and saying, I'm 1676 01:28:23.279 --> 01:28:25.039 going to beat you and then beat Harley Race and 1677 01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:28.239 Andre's tape from New York. Filled this building in Dothan, 1678 01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:31.079 Phill Winderston County farm Center. And here's a description of 1679 01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:34.520 that match, also from Ronstad. This is how it actually 1680 01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:36.720 played out in the ring. These are the details we 1681 01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:39.600 were missing until Run did the podcast. 1682 01:28:40.359 --> 01:28:42.960 Well, I can tell you this, man, It was absolutely 1683 01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:44.319 electric in that building. 1684 01:28:44.439 --> 01:28:44.600 Man. 1685 01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:48.439 When I walked out, I looked at it. The only 1686 01:28:48.479 --> 01:28:50.399 way I could describe it. It was a see of 1687 01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:54.680 human team that farm Center. Every seat was filled and 1688 01:28:54.880 --> 01:28:58.720 there maybe a thousand people standing behind the ringside on 1689 01:28:58.800 --> 01:29:01.159 both ends of that farm Center. You know, you had 1690 01:29:01.199 --> 01:29:03.800 the two bleachers on one side, but on the other 1691 01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:07.000 end you had a great expanse between the ring side 1692 01:29:07.399 --> 01:29:11.159 and the entrances and exits to the building, and that 1693 01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:14.319 was all full of people standing. 1694 01:29:14.960 --> 01:29:15.079 Uh. 1695 01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:19.079 And you know the strength versus strength match, Man, this 1696 01:29:19.279 --> 01:29:22.560 is what it was. I watched this match and and 1697 01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:25.760 basically it was a strength versus strength match. In the 1698 01:29:25.840 --> 01:29:28.800 early part, the fans were so into it they stood 1699 01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:29.760 up on everything. 1700 01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:30.119 Wow. 1701 01:29:30.319 --> 01:29:32.760 And at the end of it that kind of turned 1702 01:29:32.840 --> 01:29:37.880 violent instead of just being who's the strongest, and spears 1703 01:29:37.960 --> 01:29:43.319 got hoped basically disqualified intentionally, and Willie Spears ran to 1704 01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:47.279 the dressing room I remember by himself say round the 1705 01:29:47.439 --> 01:29:51.279 ring there before he went back after it was all over. Wow, 1706 01:29:52.439 --> 01:29:55.600 And there were so many people in there he could uh, 1707 01:29:55.880 --> 01:29:58.199 Spears could hardly get to the dressing room. 1708 01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:05.279 So the disqualification caused by Billy Spears. But the building 1709 01:30:05.359 --> 01:30:08.000 is full and Andre notices the building is full, and 1710 01:30:08.159 --> 01:30:10.720 Boss Andre makes a mental note, doesn't he that this 1711 01:30:10.920 --> 01:30:13.279 hul covid guy is someone I can make money with? 1712 01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:16.319 And the first place he realized it was in Dothan, Alabama, 1713 01:30:16.840 --> 01:30:18.960 off of just the promos we just played for you. 1714 01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:21.560 So the next morning, as Ron stud just laid out 1715 01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:23.600 when it comes time for television, which again the magic 1716 01:30:23.680 --> 01:30:26.600 of shooting live TV in the morning to sell tickets 1717 01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:29.560 to the arena that night, the immediacy of it, the 1718 01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:34.439 the your ability to just attribute one piece of height 1719 01:30:34.680 --> 01:30:37.720 to one gate. You know, it's like, we put these 1720 01:30:37.800 --> 01:30:39.920 guys on TV that morning, and we featured this angle 1721 01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:42.199 and we drew this many people. We did these two 1722 01:30:42.239 --> 01:30:44.359 guys and we drew this many people. What a fucking 1723 01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:46.319 great way to tell what's. 1724 01:30:46.199 --> 01:30:51.720 Walking And it's exciting too, Like it's exciting to think that, 1725 01:30:52.159 --> 01:31:04.239 like what you're you know, because even even watching you know, 1726 01:31:04.319 --> 01:31:07.199 you don't get that they would never have live TV 1727 01:31:07.359 --> 01:31:10.199 in the morning right of like a pay per view 1728 01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:13.359 or something, you know, like we never had live TV. 1729 01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:16.520 They always said they were live you know, they always said, 1730 01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:19.920 you're watching you know, All American or the Action Zone, 1731 01:31:19.920 --> 01:31:21.800 and they're acting like they've got to wrestle that night 1732 01:31:22.319 --> 01:31:26.199 after wrestling in the morning. But that didn't happen. So 1733 01:31:26.319 --> 01:31:30.319 to think that you can turn on the TV undecided, 1734 01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:33.159 perhaps undecided whether or you're going to go to the 1735 01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:36.359 matches tonight, just think about that. Just think you have 1736 01:31:36.880 --> 01:31:38.920 kind of an open Saturday night. Yeah you know, I 1737 01:31:38.960 --> 01:31:40.560 went last week. I'm not going to go this week, 1738 01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:43.880 you know. But yeah, well, alt's see what's going on. 1739 01:31:44.199 --> 01:31:47.640 You throw on the TV. You see this angle with 1740 01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:51.800 Hogan and Andre and you're like, well, guys, I got 1741 01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:56.199 plans for tonight. Fuck it's drivable. Yep. 1742 01:31:57.000 --> 01:31:58.960 It's not like you watch something and now you've got 1743 01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:00.600 to make a week's worth of playing to get there. 1744 01:32:00.600 --> 01:32:02.600 You just go and you get to the building, you 1745 01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:04.039 buy the ticket, you get in, you sit down. It 1746 01:32:04.079 --> 01:32:09.079 takes two hours because your territory wasn't that big. And 1747 01:32:09.319 --> 01:32:11.600 that's that's the buildings they were trying to point you 1748 01:32:11.680 --> 01:32:14.079 to were so close that you could make a decision 1749 01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:15.119 that morning to go that night. 1750 01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:24.960 That's also the beauty of the lost, the lost, I 1751 01:32:25.000 --> 01:32:26.279 don't know what you call it, but. 1752 01:32:27.880 --> 01:32:30.279 The magic, the lost dynamic, the lost the law. 1753 01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:35.199 Yes, you're right, the lost dynamic of local television. Of course. 1754 01:32:35.399 --> 01:32:38.000 Oh this opens that whole vean, doesn't it. You know, 1755 01:32:38.079 --> 01:32:40.279 when I'm talking about Bill Cardill again, let's go exactly, 1756 01:32:40.319 --> 01:32:42.720 that's what I mean, Like, you know, we we we 1757 01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:47.039 there's really nothing, there's nobody. There's nothing like that anymore. 1758 01:32:47.079 --> 01:32:50.239 Everything is close, you know, except for except for like 1759 01:32:50.319 --> 01:32:55.960 local news. But there was something so cool that I 1760 01:32:56.039 --> 01:32:59.000 didn't apprecialling, anyone really appreciate it at the time, the 1761 01:32:59.119 --> 01:33:02.640 idea of local television. This is a thing that hundreds 1762 01:33:02.680 --> 01:33:04.439 of years from now, if we haven't blown up the 1763 01:33:04.520 --> 01:33:08.119 earth by then, is people aren't even gonna even pay 1764 01:33:08.159 --> 01:33:11.000 attention to in the history books. It's gonna be such 1765 01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:16.680 a small blip in the history of humankind. Experience one 1766 01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:21.359 city and one and two generations. You know, that lasted 1767 01:33:21.399 --> 01:33:24.319 for just a just a small, little bit of time. 1768 01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:31.680 It's it's just it's such a idea that you could 1769 01:33:31.680 --> 01:33:34.439 have a TV station that made money broadcasting to and 1770 01:33:34.560 --> 01:33:36.880 only selling to people within a certain radius of the 1771 01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:39.840 TV studio, and that was more than enough for everybody 1772 01:33:39.920 --> 01:33:43.039 to become stars. Everyone was happy, and everyone was going 1773 01:33:43.119 --> 01:33:46.399 back home at night, including the talent themselves. They were home. 1774 01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:49.239 They didn't have to travel over the place to make impact. 1775 01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:54.359 They didn't have to, you know, be vagabonds to be 1776 01:33:54.439 --> 01:33:57.680 television stars. That was something available to them locally, and 1777 01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:00.520 you could become a local celebrity as a television presenter 1778 01:34:00.600 --> 01:34:02.319 in your city, and that was a damn fine living 1779 01:34:02.359 --> 01:34:04.399 and you were beloved for it, you were remembered for it. 1780 01:34:04.880 --> 01:34:07.880 And I'll be damned if professional wrestling wasn't the absolute 1781 01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:10.600 best at figuring that out. There were, as we've talked about, 1782 01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:15.720 you know, shows like local horror movie specials, right presentations 1783 01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:19.000 that you would do, other shows with local flavor that 1784 01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:22.079 people from these cities remember for years, kids shows, you know, 1785 01:34:22.199 --> 01:34:26.479 people portraying kids show characters that only broadcast in certain markets, 1786 01:34:26.520 --> 01:34:29.399 like mister Rogers started and I think Pittsburgh, and it's 1787 01:34:29.479 --> 01:34:34.079 like those generations will never forget these people that presented 1788 01:34:34.239 --> 01:34:39.000 that were sort of the the prism through which television 1789 01:34:39.159 --> 01:34:40.920 entered your your mind at a time, and there was 1790 01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:44.319 only so many channels, and the local ones are probably 1791 01:34:44.359 --> 01:34:46.159 the ones you watch the most because it had local 1792 01:34:46.239 --> 01:34:48.880 information on the news and all of that. And there's 1793 01:34:48.920 --> 01:34:52.680 a reason that the legendary television wrestling announcers of the 1794 01:34:52.800 --> 01:34:56.680 territorial days by and large came from the news divisions 1795 01:34:57.079 --> 01:34:59.479 of the same studios where they taped the fucking wrestling. 1796 01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:02.520 You think of Lance Russell and Dave Brown and Memphis 1797 01:35:02.800 --> 01:35:05.439 television newsmen weather men. You think of me and gen 1798 01:35:05.520 --> 01:35:10.000 Oakerland Minneapolis area radio personality Charlie Platt, who we've heard 1799 01:35:10.039 --> 01:35:12.560 on commentary in Southeastern over and over again. He was 1800 01:35:12.640 --> 01:35:17.000 a very prominent broadcasting figure in that part of the 1801 01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:20.039 country and in these markets before Ron Fuller set up 1802 01:35:20.119 --> 01:35:21.399 and hired him to do commentary. 1803 01:35:22.119 --> 01:35:22.800 You can go on and on. 1804 01:35:22.960 --> 01:35:24.600 The list goes on and on to these people that 1805 01:35:24.720 --> 01:35:29.199 were Bob Coddle, who just passed away. He was a 1806 01:35:29.239 --> 01:35:32.000 weather man in Charlotte who became the voice of mid 1807 01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:32.880 Atlantic wrestling. 1808 01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:33.960 Folks. 1809 01:35:36.479 --> 01:35:38.640 It was where it was at, It was where it 1810 01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:40.359 was at. It was a way to experience wrestling in 1811 01:35:40.399 --> 01:35:41.560 a way that was just engrossing. 1812 01:35:41.840 --> 01:35:42.319 And here's the thing. 1813 01:35:42.359 --> 01:35:45.119 These markets are so small. You had fucking half of 1814 01:35:45.199 --> 01:35:48.039 the population of some of these cities watching these television shows. 1815 01:35:49.199 --> 01:35:51.520 So no television manager worth as salt could afford to 1816 01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:54.199 GFA at pro wrestling. It was the goddamn biggest rating 1817 01:35:54.239 --> 01:35:57.119 straw he had in his little station. Everyone he knew 1818 01:35:57.199 --> 01:35:59.880 was watching it, even if they didn't admit it, and advertisers. 1819 01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:01.640 I wanted to be in front of those eyeballs, those 1820 01:36:01.680 --> 01:36:04.880 captive eyeballs, for sixteen ninety minutes, one hundred and twenty 1821 01:36:04.920 --> 01:36:09.479 minutes every single Saturday morning, live in the city that 1822 01:36:09.640 --> 01:36:12.600 you were based in, coming to you from a building 1823 01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:15.720 where you knew where it was. You watched championshipressing from 1824 01:36:15.720 --> 01:36:18.800 Florida from the Sportatorium. You knew where that fucking sportatorium 1825 01:36:18.880 --> 01:36:19.640 was in North Albany. 1826 01:36:19.680 --> 01:36:22.000 You knew you could go. Might I get in? But 1827 01:36:22.039 --> 01:36:23.039 you knew you knew you could go. 1828 01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:26.319 You knew where the the tech would drive studios were 1829 01:36:26.399 --> 01:36:30.359 for Georgia Championship and then later, of course some World 1830 01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:34.560 championshiprestling under Crockett. Fuck this man, God damn it. 1831 01:36:35.039 --> 01:36:35.640 YEP Nope. 1832 01:36:35.920 --> 01:36:37.800 As if I needed further proof points that I was 1833 01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:42.640 born in the wrong decade, I know, man, you got 1834 01:36:42.680 --> 01:36:46.359 to see Hogan wrestle Andre after watching the fucking arm 1835 01:36:46.399 --> 01:36:52.159 wrestling angle for anybody else, So that was the finish DQ. 1836 01:36:52.479 --> 01:36:55.880 Andre's pleased to punch with what he's seeing, very happy, 1837 01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:58.520 and we're on our way. And this is the seed 1838 01:36:58.600 --> 01:37:02.000 that will sprout into superstarredhom for Hulcogan because he wins 1839 01:37:02.039 --> 01:37:05.039 over Andre right away, right away. 1840 01:37:05.279 --> 01:37:06.000 It's not that he did it. 1841 01:37:06.199 --> 01:37:08.319 He did it in his first two months in the business. 1842 01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:10.840 I consider it. You know, if you don't count seventy 1843 01:37:10.880 --> 01:37:13.760 seven and the aborded run is super destroyer in Florida, 1844 01:37:14.800 --> 01:37:16.960 if you could please navigate bosson your Alabama folder to 1845 01:37:17.039 --> 01:37:20.119 nineteen seventy nine, dash oh five, dash oh four. This 1846 01:37:20.359 --> 01:37:23.039 for now is probably the best we can do as 1847 01:37:23.079 --> 01:37:25.560 far as want to talk to somebody who was there, 1848 01:37:26.119 --> 01:37:27.840 want to talk to someone who witnessed it last time 1849 01:37:28.079 --> 01:37:30.000 on the complete hullcog and we read from a Facebook 1850 01:37:30.039 --> 01:37:34.239 post where people were conveying really general memories of who 1851 01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:37.079 Hulcogan was to people in and around Dothan who were 1852 01:37:37.119 --> 01:37:40.479 watching wrestling in nineteen seventy nine, people reflecting upon his passing, 1853 01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:43.439 of course, and Facebook threads and comments about what they 1854 01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:45.520 remembered in these little moments of seeing him in and 1855 01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:47.800 around town at the gym, or at a restaurant or 1856 01:37:47.840 --> 01:37:49.800 whatever the case may be, and being a personable guy. 1857 01:37:50.399 --> 01:37:52.880 Here is a comment posted to the Wrestling Classics message 1858 01:37:52.920 --> 01:37:54.479 board all the way back in two thousand and three 1859 01:37:54.920 --> 01:37:58.520 by someone by the name of Callaway and this, this 1860 01:37:58.680 --> 01:37:59.960 is one of them in the wild boss. 1861 01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:05.359 What does he remember? Waitineteen seventy nine, Dash O five 1862 01:38:05.560 --> 01:38:15.800 dash four dash secw Oh okay one, oh okay? Is this. 1863 01:38:17.680 --> 01:38:17.720 No? 1864 01:38:20.159 --> 01:38:25.720 We got a couple? Oh, here we go? Start with yep, 1865 01:38:25.920 --> 01:38:29.119 there we go. Yep, yep, yep, yep. I was in 1866 01:38:29.199 --> 01:38:33.720 the Houston County Farm Center that night. If I remember correctly, 1867 01:38:33.800 --> 01:38:37.439 it was late March early April nineteen seventy nine for 1868 01:38:37.560 --> 01:38:41.960 romfo Or Southeast and Wrestling Terry the wrestling Hulk. Boulder 1869 01:38:42.600 --> 01:38:45.840 was a bad guy managed by Belly Spears. The angle 1870 01:38:46.000 --> 01:38:48.880 to set things up that night is available. It's the 1871 01:38:48.960 --> 01:38:51.760 one where I dream Boulder you have the arm wrestling contest. 1872 01:38:52.399 --> 01:38:58.079 Well over five thousand fans crammed, creamed, creamed the Farm 1873 01:38:58.159 --> 01:39:01.079 Center that night. They had to bring an extra football 1874 01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:04.800 bleach just to accommodate seating. I can recall the finish 1875 01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:07.439 to the match. A few weeks later, Boulder would turn 1876 01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:11.319 good guy when the Southeastern title from ox Baker have 1877 01:39:11.520 --> 01:39:15.279 what I believe was his first World championship match substituting 1878 01:39:15.319 --> 01:39:19.119 for Ron Fuller against NWA champ. Harley Race feuded with 1879 01:39:19.199 --> 01:39:22.880 ox Baker, Austin Idol, and Toro Tanaka while in the 1880 01:39:23.239 --> 01:39:26.920 area before finally leaving in October nineteen seventy nine. 1881 01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:32.399 Wow remembers it all. Guy remembers it all. And look, yep, 1882 01:39:32.520 --> 01:39:34.920 as we go through run Fuller's recollections, all that tracks 1883 01:39:34.920 --> 01:39:37.600 that that fan remembers. So there are some who are 1884 01:39:37.640 --> 01:39:39.439 posting at least in two thousand and three, which is 1885 01:39:39.479 --> 01:39:42.079 like a lifetime ago, now more than twenty years ago, 1886 01:39:43.159 --> 01:39:45.439 reflecting I don't know that gentleman or that woman is 1887 01:39:45.479 --> 01:39:47.840 still with us. But if you click forward a few 1888 01:39:47.840 --> 01:39:50.479 times to get to nineteen seventy nine Dosh five six, 1889 01:39:50.600 --> 01:39:52.520 you'll see what appears to be in shout outs to 1890 01:39:52.560 --> 01:39:54.960 the intrepid homie Matt for finding this. I'm not sure 1891 01:39:55.000 --> 01:39:56.920 what the source of it is. But it's clearly a 1892 01:39:57.000 --> 01:40:00.640 ringside photo that's not shot by a professional. But there 1893 01:40:00.760 --> 01:40:04.279 is Hulk, and there is Andre and his big red 1894 01:40:04.319 --> 01:40:05.199 trunks and red boots. 1895 01:40:05.199 --> 01:40:06.039 Andre that is, and. 1896 01:40:07.680 --> 01:40:10.199 There's Terry the Hulk boulder and what I'm supposed to 1897 01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:12.399 be the blue singlet with the red knee pads. 1898 01:40:13.439 --> 01:40:15.079 This is this is the match. 1899 01:40:15.239 --> 01:40:17.039 And those ropes look red, white and blue. Although the 1900 01:40:17.039 --> 01:40:21.239 white is up top. It looks so ratty and shitty, 1901 01:40:23.079 --> 01:40:28.199 but it's raw. Yeah, I wanted to not be polished yet. 1902 01:40:28.199 --> 01:40:30.159 I want to see Hogan Andre before people knew what 1903 01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:33.800 they want, you know, right, I mean I want to 1904 01:40:33.840 --> 01:40:35.920 see I want to see Andre and Hogan in front 1905 01:40:35.960 --> 01:40:40.600 of five in front of five thousand people. That's that's 1906 01:40:40.840 --> 01:40:44.000 that's where the magic is. Right there, there's a newspaper 1907 01:40:44.079 --> 01:40:47.319 clip seeing this whole thing, like from from a time 1908 01:40:47.560 --> 01:40:51.640 when you know it just it almost wasn't supposed to happen, right, 1909 01:40:52.279 --> 01:40:56.399 that's right. And here's a clipping from their match. Let's 1910 01:40:56.399 --> 01:40:58.039 see this had been the May sixth, the next nine, 1911 01:40:58.039 --> 01:41:01.720 eight fifteen PM belt but the Municipal Auditorium, which I 1912 01:41:01.760 --> 01:41:06.840 think is Montgomery or it wasn't, Houston County Farm Center 1913 01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:10.880 obviously it was the Municipal Auditorium main event, hunder the 1914 01:41:10.920 --> 01:41:13.239 giant seven foot four inches, four hundred and eighty four 1915 01:41:13.319 --> 01:41:15.720 pounds versus the Hulk. All it says is the Hulk, 1916 01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:20.600 right boss. Yes, no dary Bolea, no Arry Boulder, no 1917 01:41:20.840 --> 01:41:25.039 Sterling Golden, the Hulk. That's all I'm selling you. Yes, 1918 01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:28.239 six foot six and ninety five. Okay, that's a farm primer. 1919 01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:34.840 At least they got the fucking ad write instead of 1920 01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:40.800 in it in the actual copy for the news the 1921 01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:45.840 news article. Yeah, that's nice and also only only eight 1922 01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:50.279 eight pounds shy of three three. It's pretty amazing, isn't it? Yeah? 1923 01:41:51.039 --> 01:41:53.760 Can I can I get the footage? Can I see 1924 01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:57.720 this match? Please? Please? Nope, because they replay it on 1925 01:41:57.800 --> 01:42:03.359 the fucking television show. According to Ron Fuller, they taped it. Nope, nope, 1926 01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:07.319 you'll never see it. It's all erased. Think of that. 1927 01:42:08.239 --> 01:42:13.119 Think of that. Somebody said, you know what, we don't 1928 01:42:13.159 --> 01:42:17.159 need to archive this, let's just fucking tape over it. Hmm. 1929 01:42:21.239 --> 01:42:23.640 And Ron's all distracted by the Knoxville War, so it 1930 01:42:23.680 --> 01:42:26.279 doesn't even sink in and what is achieved here? In fact, 1931 01:42:26.600 --> 01:42:28.720 Cogan wrestles hardly when we get there, he's not even 1932 01:42:28.760 --> 01:42:31.560 there because he's so preoccupied with Knoxville. He's basically moved 1933 01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:35.960 to Knoxville to run the war room over there. It's 1934 01:42:35.960 --> 01:42:39.840 fucking amazing, unbelievable. That's what we deserve, I guess is 1935 01:42:39.840 --> 01:42:40.560 wrestling fans. 1936 01:42:40.920 --> 01:42:42.439 Yes, Ron said. 1937 01:42:43.920 --> 01:42:45.680 When they announced it the fans that Andre would be 1938 01:42:45.680 --> 01:42:47.960 in studio that morning. They announced it the week before. 1939 01:42:48.600 --> 01:42:50.760 The studio was so packed for television time they couldn't 1940 01:42:50.760 --> 01:42:53.600 get him in. And Andre came out with Charlie Platt 1941 01:42:53.680 --> 01:42:55.840 right off the bat, and they watched the end of 1942 01:42:55.920 --> 01:42:59.119 the match from the night before. So that morning when 1943 01:42:59.119 --> 01:43:01.680 they shot the angle with arm Wrestling, they had already 1944 01:43:01.720 --> 01:43:06.319 watched with Charlie Platt footage of the very first Hull 1945 01:43:06.399 --> 01:43:08.720 Cogan versus Andrea the Giant won on one matchup from 1946 01:43:08.720 --> 01:43:11.399 the night before Houston County pharm Center, where it all started. 1947 01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:14.800 They watch it, So there's tape of it? What the 1948 01:43:14.960 --> 01:43:24.199 fuck there's tape of it? Well, there was, it's over right, 1949 01:43:25.479 --> 01:43:26.840 you're not. How did I not? 1950 01:43:27.039 --> 01:43:29.880 How did I not account for the pain that the 1951 01:43:29.880 --> 01:43:31.720 complete Hull Cogan would bring. I mean, it's always been 1952 01:43:31.720 --> 01:43:34.600 about come on, come on, I mean, I thought it 1953 01:43:34.640 --> 01:43:35.960 was all laid out before I thought all the. 1954 01:43:38.199 --> 01:43:38.439 Hurt. 1955 01:43:39.399 --> 01:43:42.399 This is gonna Listen, if there's one thing we're. 1956 01:43:42.319 --> 01:43:43.840 Gonna watch it all and all I'm gonna to think 1957 01:43:43.840 --> 01:43:46.159 about it at the end is what I couldn't see exactly. 1958 01:43:46.239 --> 01:43:48.039 That's what I'm That's it. You know. If there's one 1959 01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:52.039 thing that you should have known, that you should have known, 1960 01:43:53.680 --> 01:43:56.039 is that this is gonna hurt more than anything else. 1961 01:43:58.000 --> 01:44:00.239 This whole journey is gonna hurt more than any anything 1962 01:44:00.279 --> 01:44:04.920 else because of what we won't get, because of what 1963 01:44:05.039 --> 01:44:10.119 we don't have, and having things actively taken away from 1964 01:44:10.199 --> 01:44:16.680 us as we exactly exactly all right? Does that teach 1965 01:44:16.760 --> 01:44:25.720 us about life? Nothing fucking matters, nothing's permanent. Ooh baby, 1966 01:44:26.119 --> 01:44:30.680 you better be careful too much truth Not everyone's ready 1967 01:44:30.720 --> 01:44:38.359 for that. Oh listen. I have had in twenty twenty five, 1968 01:44:38.600 --> 01:44:45.439 I have had more like I've become very I have 1969 01:44:45.520 --> 01:44:51.920 been very introspective over the last year. Sure, thinking about mortality. Sure, 1970 01:44:52.800 --> 01:45:00.680 thinking about immortality, immortality, Yes, thinking about legacy, not the faction. 1971 01:45:01.680 --> 01:45:07.319 But oh shit, I was just about to say, that 1972 01:45:07.399 --> 01:45:10.760 makes two of us. I can't stop thinking about if 1973 01:45:10.840 --> 01:45:12.800 Ted Dibiassi Junior still is ready. 1974 01:45:12.640 --> 01:45:16.800 To come back. I think you can put those lawsuits 1975 01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:27.600 behind him. Thinking about like the for example, okay, thinking 1976 01:45:27.680 --> 01:45:32.119 about I was talking about this with my cousins over Thanksgiving, 1977 01:45:32.359 --> 01:45:36.159 actually talking about the idea that you know, I have 1978 01:45:36.439 --> 01:45:44.119 this mental idea of what Thanksgiving is supposed to be, 1979 01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:53.239 which stems from high school, college era thanksgivings. That's what 1980 01:45:53.439 --> 01:46:00.239 Thanksgiving is supposed to be. But the reality is that 1981 01:46:00.800 --> 01:46:07.319 each Thanksgiving will never happen again. That's correct. The Thanksgiving 1982 01:46:07.399 --> 01:46:10.359 that just happened is never going to happen again. 1983 01:46:11.000 --> 01:46:12.760 And what was so perfect about it you come to 1984 01:46:12.800 --> 01:46:14.920 find out later is that it won't happen again. 1985 01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:20.319 Yes, exactly is that you can't have all these things 1986 01:46:21.279 --> 01:46:23.720 like you can't you can't ruin it because you can't 1987 01:46:23.800 --> 01:46:32.319 revisit it right, right, But and and also that things 1988 01:46:34.000 --> 01:46:36.840 that nothing that that nothing. 1989 01:46:36.680 --> 01:46:47.000 Lasts, nothing lasts forever, and especially tapes of Hogan versus 1990 01:46:47.039 --> 01:46:48.600 Andre at the Houston County Farm Center. 1991 01:46:49.079 --> 01:46:50.439 That's right, that's right. 1992 01:46:51.079 --> 01:46:53.359 So I knew that we would get to these kind 1993 01:46:53.359 --> 01:46:55.159 of life lessons at the end of the complete Hull 1994 01:46:55.239 --> 01:46:58.319 Hogan because this is in many ways the story and 1995 01:46:58.399 --> 01:46:59.920 the love letter to wrestling. 1996 01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:00.520 From us. 1997 01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:03.800 But yeah, I didn't expect this much reality this soon. 1998 01:47:04.279 --> 01:47:06.239 I mean, it's all crashing down right away. 1999 01:47:06.800 --> 01:47:10.079 We get it at the beginning. That's correct. Okay, we 2000 01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:13.079 get it at the beginning. How about it ain't gonna 2001 01:47:13.119 --> 01:47:14.479 stop anytime soon. 2002 01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:17.000 So Andre and Charlie Platt watched the end of the 2003 01:47:17.039 --> 01:47:18.399 match from the night before, and at the end of 2004 01:47:18.439 --> 01:47:20.640 the video, Billy Spears brings Hulkgan out to the set. 2005 01:47:20.680 --> 01:47:25.520 According to run about the vis, no, I think we're. 2006 01:47:27.680 --> 01:47:31.159 Well, well, why why do you think you could do better? 2007 01:47:32.239 --> 01:47:37.600 But wow, how about you go to that? I don't know, 2008 01:47:37.760 --> 01:47:39.359 but something could be done that would make it better 2009 01:47:39.399 --> 01:47:44.239 than this is his answer. It's stuff. Hell, how about 2010 01:47:44.279 --> 01:47:46.880 you go up to the top rope? Exactly? 2011 01:47:47.479 --> 01:47:49.960 Well, those are about top rope. 2012 01:47:51.239 --> 01:47:53.760 Why don't you go up at top rope? See what happens? 2013 01:47:55.039 --> 01:48:00.039 Oh see what happened to a mischievous son of a 2014 01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:05.840 bitch this Charlie Platt is huh, why don't you just 2015 01:48:05.960 --> 01:48:09.039 go up there? That's a Southern Uh, that's an opra? 2016 01:48:10.039 --> 01:48:14.239 What do you think about that? And be Andy Giganty 2017 01:48:15.520 --> 01:48:18.920 what you call? No, Andy Giganty? 2018 01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:26.279 I don't like that, un Charlie Platt. Fine, I go 2019 01:48:26.479 --> 01:48:29.279 up to the top rope. I show you what happened. 2020 01:48:29.880 --> 01:48:32.359 I go to the top rope. 2021 01:48:32.840 --> 01:48:36.199 Another thing Vince stole from the territories, making Andre go 2022 01:48:36.279 --> 01:48:40.640 to the top rope and fall. All right, now, who 2023 01:48:40.960 --> 01:48:45.720 was Charlie Platt? That didn't first Terry came here, Andre's 2024 01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:46.720 going to the top rope? 2025 01:48:46.920 --> 01:48:53.039 What plot, plot? Other idea would import to New York. 2026 01:48:53.840 --> 01:48:56.000 I want to want you to do what I want 2027 01:48:56.079 --> 01:48:57.760 you to do, Terry. I want you to cut the 2028 01:48:57.800 --> 01:49:01.680 top rope right when Andre's gonna jump. Bo bro what 2029 01:49:02.640 --> 01:49:05.800 you heard me? Well, I don't know, I do that's 2030 01:49:05.800 --> 01:49:10.000 hard of the drawing boiler. Now, I'm Charlie fucking blad Ship, 2031 01:49:10.560 --> 01:49:16.479 Oh ship, oh ship, I didn't see that coming exactly. 2032 01:49:17.119 --> 01:49:21.079 Drop names. This is dothing, all right, my name Travels. 2033 01:49:21.399 --> 01:49:23.039 Let me tell you right now, we're not in fucking 2034 01:49:23.119 --> 01:49:26.239 sunny Florida, all right. We're in goddamn motherfucking dot And 2035 01:49:27.880 --> 01:49:30.560 and I'm gonna fucking cut your fucking judgly if you 2036 01:49:30.600 --> 01:49:33.680 don't do like goddamn saying you understand me a little 2037 01:49:33.720 --> 01:49:34.159 fucking bitch. 2038 01:49:34.600 --> 01:49:42.800 Ship, I'm crying to the top he is, I see 2039 01:49:42.840 --> 01:49:45.039 your dumb fat bitch, you. 2040 01:49:48.279 --> 01:49:51.319 Boy, what do you got I'll tell you how. What 2041 01:49:51.479 --> 01:49:57.319 an absurd situation? You cut the damn rope right now 2042 01:49:57.359 --> 01:50:02.920 with my with my my hunting knife. Okay, brother, al On, 2043 01:50:03.039 --> 01:50:05.520 what do you want to do on the top rope? 2044 01:50:06.800 --> 01:50:09.119 I want you to jump as high as you can. 2045 01:50:10.159 --> 01:50:18.640 Andy Giganty, Now good luck coming back from that. Holy shit, 2046 01:50:20.039 --> 01:50:24.439 I think the fucking die is cast. Andy Giganti, get 2047 01:50:24.520 --> 01:50:30.800 on our level. Fucking hell no, Terris coach. 2048 01:50:32.399 --> 01:50:34.800 Oh ro ro. 2049 01:50:36.520 --> 01:50:46.960 Ro oh holding them, I'll cor. 2050 01:50:48.359 --> 01:50:53.840 War old hold road, our brogue wire, oh. 2051 01:50:57.079 --> 01:51:02.319 Char bribe wire, because I want to tell you who 2052 01:51:02.399 --> 01:51:07.560 the god damn reel giant. He's this gold bracelet war 2053 01:51:07.600 --> 01:51:15.119 and Southern boy. Oh fuck that. Yeah, I'm gonna expect 2054 01:51:15.159 --> 01:51:15.920 that the soon either. 2055 01:51:19.800 --> 01:51:19.840 No. 2056 01:51:19.960 --> 01:51:22.920 After watching the video, Billy Spears brings Hulk out to 2057 01:51:22.960 --> 01:51:25.159 the set challenges Andre right then and there to an 2058 01:51:25.239 --> 01:51:28.760 arm wrestling contest Billy Spears does against his sterling, the 2059 01:51:28.840 --> 01:51:31.000 Hulk Golden. According to Ron Fuller, he loved to call 2060 01:51:31.039 --> 01:51:33.279 the Hulk sterling and Terry didn't like that. As has 2061 01:51:33.479 --> 01:51:37.800 already established, Andre accepted the challenge. Studio exploded at the 2062 01:51:37.880 --> 01:51:39.680 prospect of this happening. In front of their eyes. They 2063 01:51:39.720 --> 01:51:41.920 did not expect to see this on television, and indeed 2064 01:51:41.960 --> 01:51:45.000 they saw this on television this same TV taping, Ox 2065 01:51:45.079 --> 01:51:49.079 Baker debuts in Southeastern and Billy Spears brings in Ox 2066 01:51:49.159 --> 01:51:52.119 Baker standing behind him just like the Hulk did. So 2067 01:51:52.239 --> 01:51:54.600 not only his Hulk starting to take issue with how 2068 01:51:54.640 --> 01:51:57.800 Billy Spears is referring to him and getting him involved 2069 01:51:57.840 --> 01:52:00.640 in arm wrestling things and sending him in to double 2070 01:52:00.720 --> 01:52:02.560 down on Andre when he was trying to get away. 2071 01:52:03.119 --> 01:52:05.640 He saw on the clip. He's also bringing in a big, 2072 01:52:05.760 --> 01:52:08.920 monstrous heel that you can make Hulk feel like he's 2073 01:52:08.920 --> 01:52:11.439 about to be supplanted in the Billy Spears family and 2074 01:52:12.199 --> 01:52:14.760 further adding to his insecurities. And you can already start 2075 01:52:14.800 --> 01:52:17.199 to feel that little nudge towards thinking of Hulk potentially 2076 01:52:17.239 --> 01:52:20.199 as a babyface, which is also fascinating that it happened 2077 01:52:20.239 --> 01:52:23.119 so soon that he started to rebel against his manager 2078 01:52:23.199 --> 01:52:29.000 so soon. Jesus and they knew. Ron Fuller knew that 2079 01:52:29.159 --> 01:52:32.159 NWA World Heavyweight Champion Harley Race was coming to the 2080 01:52:32.319 --> 01:52:36.359 territory in just two weeks to defend his championship. And 2081 01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:40.159 here he has two men, two big men who are 2082 01:52:40.239 --> 01:52:42.960 ready to beat Harley in the territory Ox Baker and 2083 01:52:43.119 --> 01:52:45.720 Terry the Hulk Boulder. How will he play his cards? Well, 2084 01:52:46.079 --> 01:52:49.279 that is too unfold. So, as we just saw on 2085 01:52:49.319 --> 01:52:52.159 the clip, Dick Steinborn, who was a longtime wrestler and 2086 01:52:52.399 --> 01:52:55.279 a promoter for Ron Fuller in the Territory as well 2087 01:52:55.319 --> 01:52:57.840 as a television color commentator, sets up the arm wrestling 2088 01:52:57.880 --> 01:53:00.159 contest between these two as sort of the you know 2089 01:53:00.239 --> 01:53:04.000 the Bob Geigel, you know office representative Stanley Blackburn type 2090 01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:06.800 figure on the show Connects. The hands went back to 2091 01:53:06.920 --> 01:53:09.560 the set because you actually heard Dick Steinborn with that 2092 01:53:09.640 --> 01:53:13.960 New York accent, commentating over the Hulk Andre arm wrestling contest. 2093 01:53:14.239 --> 01:53:16.960 So they battle, and Fuller says, as far as he 2094 01:53:17.079 --> 01:53:19.880 remembers knowing Andre well, teaming with him, as we talked 2095 01:53:19.880 --> 01:53:22.239 about before he ever came in to work Hulk, knowing 2096 01:53:22.319 --> 01:53:25.199 him around the Horn, being familiar with his work everywhere 2097 01:53:25.560 --> 01:53:28.039 he met things. The only time he saw Andre bleed. 2098 01:53:28.600 --> 01:53:31.479 This may been the first time. Wow that Andre bladed 2099 01:53:31.520 --> 01:53:33.800 for an opponent. Now maybe you can find examples of 2100 01:53:33.880 --> 01:53:37.760 it elsewhere. I know, be interested and keen, but you 2101 01:53:37.760 --> 01:53:40.279 would think Ron Fuller would have a vested interest in 2102 01:53:40.760 --> 01:53:42.760 you know, yes, if this is the first time Andre 2103 01:53:42.880 --> 01:53:44.840 ran the razor, you would think that would come up 2104 01:53:44.840 --> 01:53:47.199 as a point of conversation in formatting. What was going 2105 01:53:47.279 --> 01:53:49.119 to happen on the television show that day when he 2106 01:53:49.159 --> 01:53:51.199 asked him to grab a razor blade and slice his 2107 01:53:51.239 --> 01:53:55.039 forehead open so as to attract the ticket buying public 2108 01:53:55.119 --> 01:53:56.880 by bleeding for real on television. 2109 01:53:57.079 --> 01:53:58.960 You know that looks yeah, I think that would be 2110 01:53:59.000 --> 01:53:59.720 an important thing. 2111 01:54:00.239 --> 01:54:02.039 So after seeing a huge crowded Othan and the arm 2112 01:54:02.079 --> 01:54:04.760 wrestling contest on television and they wrestle, according to Ron 2113 01:54:04.800 --> 01:54:08.439 Fuller and Pensacola Romra remembers telling Roy Lee Welch to 2114 01:54:08.520 --> 01:54:11.800 call people at the Pensacola Auditorium and add as many 2115 01:54:11.920 --> 01:54:15.399 seats as they possibly could, because if what they saw 2116 01:54:15.439 --> 01:54:18.720 in Dothan was any indication, compounded by the interest of 2117 01:54:18.840 --> 01:54:20.920 the arm wrestling angle that we just watched that morning 2118 01:54:20.960 --> 01:54:24.920 on television, Pensacola was in for a full fucking house. 2119 01:54:25.159 --> 01:54:29.079 And that is indeed what happened watching, or at least 2120 01:54:29.159 --> 01:54:33.399 hearing what's happening here, according to Dave Meltzer is Terry Funk. 2121 01:54:33.760 --> 01:54:36.079 Terry Funk, of course, coming off his run as NBA 2122 01:54:36.159 --> 01:54:38.760 World Champion, was still an executive and an owner in 2123 01:54:38.840 --> 01:54:40.159 the I'marilla territory. 2124 01:54:40.840 --> 01:54:41.600 His father. 2125 01:54:42.960 --> 01:54:45.119 Very much involved in the NWA at the board level, 2126 01:54:45.199 --> 01:54:47.840 as was his brother. They were power brokers in the business. 2127 01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:51.000 They were, you know, the Funk family was royalty. They 2128 01:54:51.079 --> 01:54:54.880 had influence everywhere, and they were always, especially Terry Funk, 2129 01:54:55.000 --> 01:54:56.920 keeping their ear to the ground of what was drawing 2130 01:54:56.960 --> 01:54:59.119 and what parts of the country at what points in time. 2131 01:55:00.119 --> 01:55:02.199 Terry Funk of course known to the family. In fact, 2132 01:55:02.239 --> 01:55:04.039 think about the stud Stable right in WCW. 2133 01:55:04.199 --> 01:55:04.560 Remember that. 2134 01:55:04.840 --> 01:55:08.960 Yeah, yeah, Stud Stable started in Gulf Coast with arn 2135 01:55:09.039 --> 01:55:11.800 Anderson involved by the way, and Rob Fuller and company. 2136 01:55:11.880 --> 01:55:12.039 Yep. 2137 01:55:12.439 --> 01:55:15.520 And I think Jerry Stubbs, who trained arn Anderson and 2138 01:55:15.560 --> 01:55:18.800 teamed to them, was involved to and the stud Stable 2139 01:55:18.920 --> 01:55:21.319 was kind of like the precursor to the Horseman before 2140 01:55:21.479 --> 01:55:24.159 uh sure, sure the Horseman ever attacked Dusty Roads in 2141 01:55:24.199 --> 01:55:26.039 a gas station parking lot and slammed a car door 2142 01:55:26.079 --> 01:55:29.520 in his arm. The television viewers of South Eastern Wrestling 2143 01:55:29.560 --> 01:55:31.439 were told that Austin Idel had been attacked by the 2144 01:55:31.479 --> 01:55:34.880 stud Stable in a gas station. Wow, they didn't According 2145 01:55:34.920 --> 01:55:38.359 to Bo James, the aforementioned bo James. They didn't film 2146 01:55:38.439 --> 01:55:40.880 this angle because to film it would give away the 2147 01:55:40.920 --> 01:55:42.640 fact that it was a big put on for television. 2148 01:55:42.840 --> 01:55:45.159 You remember the horseman angle. They kind of made that. 2149 01:55:45.279 --> 01:55:47.479 They took the time to explain why a camera would 2150 01:55:47.479 --> 01:55:49.720 have been there, that the horseman essentially commandeered someone to 2151 01:55:49.760 --> 01:55:52.479 film this attack, but they didn't think that. So, according 2152 01:55:52.479 --> 01:55:54.479 to bo James, they did the angle at an actual 2153 01:55:54.520 --> 01:55:57.720 gas station in Alabama somewhere where Austin Idl got attacked 2154 01:55:57.760 --> 01:56:00.159 by the stud stable and got his arm broken. They 2155 01:56:00.199 --> 01:56:02.600 didn't film it, but they just let it. Let words 2156 01:56:02.640 --> 01:56:05.159 spread throughout the community from people who happen to be 2157 01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:08.560 bystanders and witnesses to this attack, that it in fact happened. Wow, 2158 01:56:08.960 --> 01:56:10.600 that was enough to do business back then. Can you 2159 01:56:10.680 --> 01:56:14.079 imagine that's insane angles happening in the wild at the 2160 01:56:14.119 --> 01:56:17.079 fucking grocery store. That's another advantage. You fucking love it. 2161 01:56:17.239 --> 01:56:19.520 I fucking love it so much. You run into the 2162 01:56:19.560 --> 01:56:21.439 guy in public, and you got to have a at 2163 01:56:21.520 --> 01:56:23.800 least a shouting match with the guy. You know, at 2164 01:56:23.880 --> 01:56:27.640 least a shouting match. Ah, many people being nervous, like 2165 01:56:27.720 --> 01:56:29.680 fucking like, oh, my god. 2166 01:56:29.800 --> 01:56:30.479 Around nervous. 2167 01:56:30.720 --> 01:56:33.279 Ed Leslie said, Terry was when the Samoans would hang 2168 01:56:33.359 --> 01:56:35.439 out and an Ox Baker would hang out with him 2169 01:56:35.720 --> 01:56:38.600 at the camp on the beach, and they shouldn't be 2170 01:56:38.600 --> 01:56:41.960 seen together because Hulk was gone, baby amazing. Hulk was 2171 01:56:42.039 --> 01:56:44.720 so nervous about it. But I mentioned Terry Funk because 2172 01:56:44.960 --> 01:56:46.279 he's an important part of the story. 2173 01:56:46.319 --> 01:56:46.439 Now. 2174 01:56:47.039 --> 01:56:48.680 Hulk has the thing in his first book about how 2175 01:56:48.760 --> 01:56:51.560 Terry Funk saw him working at the docks after showing 2176 01:56:51.600 --> 01:56:53.920 some promise as a professional wrestler and convincing him to 2177 01:56:53.920 --> 01:56:57.239 give it another shot. That's pretty much Terry Funk never 2178 01:56:57.279 --> 01:56:59.119 said that. That's pretty much accepted. It's kind of like, 2179 01:57:00.039 --> 01:57:04.760 I don't know, Hulk creating an anecdote to explain something 2180 01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:07.479 that he may have heard happened that reversed his fortunes 2181 01:57:07.479 --> 01:57:09.760 in the business, but that he wasn't actually directly a 2182 01:57:09.800 --> 01:57:12.800 party to the conversation. But Terry Funk was involved and 2183 01:57:12.960 --> 01:57:15.760 asking around and trying to understand what's happening down here 2184 01:57:15.800 --> 01:57:17.800 in Alabama. As much as Ron Fuller tried to keep 2185 01:57:17.800 --> 01:57:20.239 the lid on it. From a wrestling magazine publicity perspective, 2186 01:57:20.640 --> 01:57:23.319 Bird's going to travel if you put a program together 2187 01:57:23.399 --> 01:57:25.479 that fills the house like that, it's going to travel, 2188 01:57:25.560 --> 01:57:26.800 especially in a smaller territory. 2189 01:57:26.840 --> 01:57:27.239 What did you do? 2190 01:57:27.319 --> 01:57:30.920 Who's involved? Who's this guy that Andre's working? And according 2191 01:57:30.960 --> 01:57:33.399 to Dave Meltzer's obituary for hul Cogan and Meltzer stayed 2192 01:57:33.439 --> 01:57:35.439 in regular touch with Terry Funk for years and years 2193 01:57:35.439 --> 01:57:38.319 and years. This is how it went down. Terry Funk 2194 01:57:38.359 --> 01:57:40.199 first took notice of Hulk Cogan when he heard then 2195 01:57:40.239 --> 01:57:42.439 a match between Andre the Giant and Terry the Hulk. 2196 01:57:42.520 --> 01:57:45.560 Boulder and Dothan, Alabama had set the all time gate 2197 01:57:45.640 --> 01:57:48.800 record for that city on May fifth, nineteen seventy nine, 2198 01:57:48.840 --> 01:57:51.600 and An angled the TV tapings at WTVY Studios where 2199 01:57:51.600 --> 01:57:53.520 Boulder and Andre were to to do an arm wrestling match. 2200 01:57:53.680 --> 01:57:56.000 Boulder was losing and turned the table over and attacked Andre, 2201 01:57:56.359 --> 01:57:58.479 leading to a match there and in Pensacola, Florida, and 2202 01:57:58.479 --> 01:58:00.840 perhaps other cities that week. On the sur there wasn't, 2203 01:58:00.840 --> 01:58:03.880 according Ron Fuller, was just three matches. In nineteen eighty. 2204 01:58:04.520 --> 01:58:08.199 That angle was copied on WWF television in Allentown, PA, 2205 01:58:08.840 --> 01:58:12.279 lead two Hogan vers Andre matches not only in WWF, 2206 01:58:12.600 --> 01:58:14.479 but that tape of Hogan putting a foreign object in 2207 01:58:14.520 --> 01:58:16.399 his elbow pad, hitting Andrea with the Hogan Hammer a 2208 01:58:16.479 --> 01:58:19.960 closed line, and then body slamming him was playing on 2209 01:58:20.119 --> 01:58:23.359 television and several other circuits leading to Andrea Versus Hogan 2210 01:58:23.399 --> 01:58:26.800 matches all over the Northeast, including at Chase Stadium, as 2211 01:58:26.880 --> 01:58:30.199 well as matches between Hogan and Andre Boss at the 2212 01:58:30.239 --> 01:58:34.640 Superdome in New Orleans, Bill Watsonster, the Omni in Atlanta, 2213 01:58:34.760 --> 01:58:39.359 Olie Territory, the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles, and the 2214 01:58:39.399 --> 01:58:42.560 Paul Suave Arena in suburban of Montreal. All these cities 2215 01:58:42.920 --> 01:58:46.359 got Hogan vers Andre off. The buzz that what we 2216 01:58:46.560 --> 01:58:48.119 just watched created. 2217 01:58:48.640 --> 01:58:50.720 The Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast. 2218 01:59:11.079 --> 01:59:15.920 He's a Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno JP. 2219 01:59:18.039 --> 01:59:20.960 Hogan's only working Andre right away. He's working Andre around 2220 01:59:21.079 --> 01:59:22.159 the fucking horn right away. 2221 01:59:22.199 --> 01:59:24.279 I'm I'm I'm I'm at a loss. 2222 01:59:24.840 --> 01:59:27.399 Gordon Meltzer Funk talked Jim Barnett, who of course owned 2223 01:59:27.399 --> 01:59:30.439 Georgia Championship at the time, into bringing Hulk into Georgia, 2224 01:59:30.760 --> 01:59:33.600 but Ole Anderson, Barnett's booker, always said he wasn't impressed 2225 01:59:33.640 --> 01:59:36.199 and we'll get to that, and claimed that he fired him. 2226 01:59:36.720 --> 01:59:37.760 Claim that he fired Hogan. 2227 01:59:38.279 --> 01:59:38.920 I'm all about that. 2228 01:59:39.359 --> 01:59:41.239 Hogan claimed the same and told the story. 2229 01:59:41.079 --> 01:59:49.600 Of starlang Sterlang Wah shit fuck, Oh he's coming. 2230 01:59:49.800 --> 01:59:50.079 He is. 2231 01:59:50.560 --> 01:59:52.159 He is flying to Hong Kong to get some of 2232 01:59:52.199 --> 01:59:56.600 the finest knockoff suits tailored for this complete in his 2233 01:59:56.760 --> 02:00:00.680 role in the Terry story. But yeah, apparently despite all 2234 02:00:00.720 --> 02:00:03.399 the success, Oli doesn't see it in the guy, and 2235 02:00:03.479 --> 02:00:05.880 Hogan's thinking about quitting again by the end of seventy nine, 2236 02:00:05.920 --> 02:00:08.000 oh God, and working on the loading docks in Tampa. 2237 02:00:08.039 --> 02:00:10.159 That's where the docks come in. And that's where the 2238 02:00:10.199 --> 02:00:12.640 whole story about how Terry Funk being the one to 2239 02:00:12.680 --> 02:00:14.760 come to the docks to talk to him comes from 2240 02:00:14.840 --> 02:00:16.840 from Hulkoga's first book, because he was on the docks 2241 02:00:17.239 --> 02:00:20.960 before really leaning in to wrestling again. I don't know 2242 02:00:21.039 --> 02:00:22.520 what he had to be so bearish about. I guess 2243 02:00:22.560 --> 02:00:25.159 OI didn't believe in him, and there was more of 2244 02:00:25.239 --> 02:00:27.039 a if you look at if you look at the 2245 02:00:27.119 --> 02:00:28.680 chronology of it, it looks like he just makes a 2246 02:00:28.800 --> 02:00:31.000 nice clean jump from Atlanta to New York and he's 2247 02:00:31.039 --> 02:00:33.640 off for the choruses. But as we'll get to there 2248 02:00:33.720 --> 02:00:37.039 may have no there may have been a lot more 2249 02:00:37.479 --> 02:00:40.399 doubt in there than than would meet the eye. We 2250 02:00:40.560 --> 02:00:42.960 played some audio in a prior episode of The Khalete 2251 02:00:43.000 --> 02:00:46.239 Hulkogan from Anthony Barcello, who of course was Hulkgan's bandmate 2252 02:00:46.319 --> 02:00:49.560 in Ruckus courtesy of Brad Bluccian, and Barcello talks about 2253 02:00:49.640 --> 02:00:52.159 remembering Hulk, you know, basically showing kind of a beat 2254 02:00:52.239 --> 02:00:55.039 down nature and basically talking like he wanted to quit 2255 02:00:55.079 --> 02:00:57.680 the business. It was hard to tell when Anthony Barcellos 2256 02:00:57.680 --> 02:00:59.800 said that if he was talking about nineteen seventy seven, 2257 02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:02.560 after the Super Destroyer tobaccle and the Hero Matsuda stuff 2258 02:01:02.560 --> 02:01:06.760 and not getting paid, he was talking actually about giving 2259 02:01:06.840 --> 02:01:09.760 up on the business again after portraying Sterling Golden in 2260 02:01:09.840 --> 02:01:12.880 Georgia Championship and going back to work in the Tampa Docks. 2261 02:01:13.199 --> 02:01:15.439 And it's there where Hulk creates the fable that Terry 2262 02:01:15.479 --> 02:01:16.960 Funk came up to him and talked him back in 2263 02:01:17.520 --> 02:01:20.079 to getting into the business. There's others who have different stories, 2264 02:01:20.239 --> 02:01:23.479 but suffice to say, Hulk not only comes back, he 2265 02:01:23.600 --> 02:01:25.319 goes to the number one territory in the world in 2266 02:01:25.359 --> 02:01:28.119 New York and starts really earning the kind of money 2267 02:01:28.399 --> 02:01:31.079 that will keep Hulk Hogan in play. Japan gets interested 2268 02:01:31.079 --> 02:01:34.640 because Andre's already a legend in Japan. Andre more than 2269 02:01:34.920 --> 02:01:37.680 happy to bring Hogan with him to Japan to earn 2270 02:01:37.760 --> 02:01:40.800 more japan money, because when you cannot forget as much 2271 02:01:40.800 --> 02:01:43.439 as we glorify the territorial days and justifiably so from 2272 02:01:43.479 --> 02:01:46.319 a fan enjoyment standpoint, the one thing that that did 2273 02:01:46.439 --> 02:01:50.720 mean is that there was no place close to Japan 2274 02:01:51.039 --> 02:01:52.800 as far as how much you could make for working 2275 02:01:53.399 --> 02:01:56.520 day by day, night in, night out. So that meant 2276 02:01:56.520 --> 02:01:58.039 that all the top stars in the wrestling business in 2277 02:01:58.119 --> 02:02:00.399 this country were gone for like six months of the 2278 02:02:00.479 --> 02:02:02.800 year making as much money as they could in Japan. 2279 02:02:03.720 --> 02:02:07.279 I'm pretty soon that's crazy. Ichibon is Hogan's song. Pretty 2280 02:02:07.319 --> 02:02:10.399 soon ichi bon is Hogan's song on the fucking complete 2281 02:02:10.439 --> 02:02:12.319 Hulk Hogan. That's all coming faster than you could ever 2282 02:02:12.399 --> 02:02:15.560 possibly expect. But the Pensacola match May sixth, nineteen seventy 2283 02:02:15.640 --> 02:02:18.399 nine under the Giant Versitory, the Hulk Boulder winner unknown 2284 02:02:19.359 --> 02:02:22.399 according to the results that survived. Pensacola is the second 2285 02:02:22.439 --> 02:02:25.039 city in the territory. According to Ron Fuller to Mobile 2286 02:02:26.479 --> 02:02:28.680 and the Samoans lived there, and that's, of course, like 2287 02:02:28.720 --> 02:02:31.239 we said, where Roman Reigns was born. Ron full of 2288 02:02:31.279 --> 02:02:33.960 a crowd recalls in Pensacola having the massive crowd on 2289 02:02:34.039 --> 02:02:36.399 their feet, just like the Houston County Farm Center was. 2290 02:02:36.760 --> 02:02:38.560 It was less of an open expanse for this kind 2291 02:02:38.600 --> 02:02:41.039 of standing room only dynamic, but still it was packed out, 2292 02:02:41.399 --> 02:02:44.520 and Ron Fuller, indeed, anticipating a big crowd, said that 2293 02:02:44.560 --> 02:02:46.840 the Pensacola Arena added as many seats as they could. 2294 02:02:47.159 --> 02:02:49.760 Lots of people from Mobile and fifty miles away had 2295 02:02:49.800 --> 02:02:52.560 come to Pensacola, he recalls to see the second Hulk 2296 02:02:52.640 --> 02:02:55.039 Andre match, and he told Roy Welch. By the end 2297 02:02:55.039 --> 02:02:57.600 of the night, the management upfront of the building said 2298 02:02:57.640 --> 02:02:59.159 it was one of the largest crowds they'd ever seen 2299 02:02:59.199 --> 02:03:02.119 in the building, around five six hundred people to see 2300 02:03:02.159 --> 02:03:04.760 the Hulk match versus Andre that came off of the 2301 02:03:05.359 --> 02:03:08.479 arm wrestling angle we just watched. And Ron Fuller says 2302 02:03:08.479 --> 02:03:09.960 he didn't even think they could put that many people 2303 02:03:10.000 --> 02:03:10.960 in that building, and. 2304 02:03:11.239 --> 02:03:11.880 Roy told him. 2305 02:03:12.000 --> 02:03:15.359 Roy Welch told Ron Fuller that three thousand people as 2306 02:03:15.439 --> 02:03:19.079 many as three sat three thousand people were turned away. Wow, 2307 02:03:19.520 --> 02:03:21.560 being able to see Hulk for Sandre and Pensacola. 2308 02:03:21.880 --> 02:03:23.560 Wow, Ron believe that. 2309 02:03:24.560 --> 02:03:28.079 I don't know how they could possibly count, but I'm 2310 02:03:28.079 --> 02:03:30.600 sure there are people. Yeah, they couldn't get in. Bo 2311 02:03:30.800 --> 02:03:33.079 James remember seeing pictures of people on the steps of 2312 02:03:33.119 --> 02:03:35.279 some of these buildings when they couldn't get in, you know, 2313 02:03:35.720 --> 02:03:36.279 just sitting there. 2314 02:03:36.359 --> 02:03:38.399 Yeah. Yeah, But I don't know. 2315 02:03:38.479 --> 02:03:40.000 I don't know how he could possibly count how many 2316 02:03:40.039 --> 02:03:42.239 people didn't get in at the end of the match. 2317 02:03:42.359 --> 02:03:45.039 This is Fuller's recollection of how the match actually played out. 2318 02:03:45.079 --> 02:03:47.399 Andre started to take over on Hulk and Billy Spears 2319 02:03:47.479 --> 02:03:49.119 got in the ring, so the referee stopped the match. 2320 02:03:49.399 --> 02:03:51.039 At this point, the Samoans come to the ring and 2321 02:03:51.079 --> 02:03:53.600 attack Andre the Giant, and of course Hulk was still 2322 02:03:53.600 --> 02:03:55.319 a line with Billy Spears and the Samoans in the 2323 02:03:55.359 --> 02:03:57.600 stable at that time, so Hulk was on him as 2324 02:03:57.680 --> 02:03:59.960 well Andre. So there's four guys on Andre the Giant 2325 02:04:00.000 --> 02:04:01.920 and along with Billy Spears and at this point Ron 2326 02:04:01.960 --> 02:04:05.720 Fuller himself as well as Territory babyfaces Ricky Fields and 2327 02:04:05.800 --> 02:04:07.720 Terry Latham hit the ring to make the save for 2328 02:04:07.800 --> 02:04:10.920 Andre and a bunch of those guys and those heels, 2329 02:04:11.159 --> 02:04:13.640 run Fuller recalls definitely had to fight their way back 2330 02:04:13.640 --> 02:04:15.439 to the dressing room that night because part of the 2331 02:04:15.479 --> 02:04:17.319 fun of going to the matches back then was fucking 2332 02:04:17.359 --> 02:04:20.680 attacking the heels as best you can, of course, and 2333 02:04:21.359 --> 02:04:23.920 he recalls even doing another SALID in Pensacola the next 2334 02:04:23.960 --> 02:04:26.560 Wednesday night, even without Andre the Giant, because the building 2335 02:04:27.000 --> 02:04:28.760 and the territory got so hot as a result of 2336 02:04:28.800 --> 02:04:30.880 this matchup, even without Andre. 2337 02:04:31.880 --> 02:04:32.399 So it's time. 2338 02:04:32.479 --> 02:04:38.079 If Andrea's leaving, if Andrea's done his duty and was 2339 02:04:38.079 --> 02:04:39.399 glad to do it, I mean, that's pretty much the 2340 02:04:39.439 --> 02:04:40.760 extent of it. I don't think there were three matches. 2341 02:04:40.800 --> 02:04:43.800 I think there were just actually two Dothan and then 2342 02:04:43.800 --> 02:04:45.720 they did the arm wrestling Angle, and then that night 2343 02:04:45.760 --> 02:04:49.760 they worked Pensacola and that was it. Roup meets with 2344 02:04:49.880 --> 02:04:53.720 Ron Fuller as they plan their Phase two for Hulk Cogan, 2345 02:04:54.239 --> 02:04:56.319 the Phase two plan, as Ron Fuller refers to it. 2346 02:04:57.199 --> 02:05:00.640 After the Andrea program, Bob Roup meets with Ron Fuller 2347 02:05:01.920 --> 02:05:05.199 and the war for the Knoxville Territory is about to commence. 2348 02:05:05.920 --> 02:05:09.039 Oh boy, this will cause the full and permanent distraction 2349 02:05:10.039 --> 02:05:12.720 from all of the things that the Hulk Andre program 2350 02:05:13.279 --> 02:05:19.600 should have catalyzed, crystallized and excited him about. We're gonna 2351 02:05:19.600 --> 02:05:21.840 read a couple more clippings from back in the day, 2352 02:05:22.279 --> 02:05:25.399 just to track where Hogan's at in May. If you could, Boss, 2353 02:05:25.439 --> 02:05:28.359 direct your attention to nineteen seventy nine Dash Out five 2354 02:05:28.479 --> 02:05:32.159 Dash ten wrestling card Thursday. This one from the Trustee 2355 02:05:32.159 --> 02:05:35.520 Panama City, Florida and News Herald Sunday, May sixth, nineteen 2356 02:05:35.560 --> 02:05:40.119 seventy nine. As the Hulk is riding the wave of 2357 02:05:40.359 --> 02:05:43.399 being associated in such a high profile way with Andre 2358 02:05:43.520 --> 02:05:50.399 the Giant. Wait, there are two here wrestling card Thursday. 2359 02:05:50.760 --> 02:05:52.560 Okay that one may both of them. 2360 02:05:53.640 --> 02:05:56.560 An all star professional wrestling card will be presented Thursday 2361 02:05:56.600 --> 02:06:00.000 night at Bowl Air Wrestling Arena. The main evental feature 2362 02:06:00.039 --> 02:06:03.720 a tag team battle between the Hulk Giant Grappler and 2363 02:06:03.840 --> 02:06:07.000 his manager Billy Spears on one side, and the popular 2364 02:06:07.079 --> 02:06:10.239 Rickey Fields and Terry Latham on the other. Another tag 2365 02:06:10.319 --> 02:06:13.640 team battle will pit the wrestling pros Numbers one and 2366 02:06:13.960 --> 02:06:19.319 number two against suitable opponents to be announced later. In 2367 02:06:19.399 --> 02:06:24.600 other matches, Inferno number one will wrestle Burhead Jones, Eddie 2368 02:06:24.640 --> 02:06:29.439 Sullivan will meet Superstar and Dave Doctor D Schultz will 2369 02:06:29.520 --> 02:06:33.359 face Ron Slinker. Action will start at eight pm. How 2370 02:06:33.399 --> 02:06:38.159 about Giant Hulks will wrestle According to the Hulk, the 2371 02:06:38.239 --> 02:06:40.920 giant wrestler who has been having things more or less 2372 02:06:40.960 --> 02:06:42.880 his own way and matches here, will team up with 2373 02:06:43.119 --> 02:06:47.640 Wiley Manager Billy Spears and a tag team scrap against 2374 02:06:47.680 --> 02:06:50.119 popular Ricky Fields and Terry Latham as the main event. 2375 02:06:50.760 --> 02:06:54.000 That's the night's professional wrestling card at Bowl Air Wrestling Arena. 2376 02:06:54.680 --> 02:06:57.319 In another tag team match, the wrestling pros Number one 2377 02:06:57.359 --> 02:07:01.119 and number two will take on suitable opponents lowercase suitable 2378 02:07:01.159 --> 02:07:04.640 lowercase yeah. There will be three other matches on the 2379 02:07:04.720 --> 02:07:06.800 car beginning at a PM. At e Sullivan will wrestle 2380 02:07:06.880 --> 02:07:12.680 Superstar Dave Doctor D Schult will meet Ron Slinker, and 2381 02:07:12.960 --> 02:07:17.239 Infernal Number one will wrestle quote Burrhead unquote Jones. 2382 02:07:18.600 --> 02:07:21.479 And we move one click forward. Coming to the Municipal 2383 02:07:21.520 --> 02:07:28.800 Auditorium here in Pensacola, Ron Slinker, the Gulf Coast Champion 2384 02:07:28.840 --> 02:07:31.520 at the time, to take on the Hulk in the 2385 02:07:31.560 --> 02:07:34.319 main event, as well as a lumberjack match hair versus 2386 02:07:34.359 --> 02:07:35.560 mask Roy Welch to. 2387 02:07:35.560 --> 02:07:38.720 Face is that Ron Slinker on the on the right there. 2388 02:07:38.800 --> 02:07:41.640 I believe that is Ron Slinker. Yes, well, all known 2389 02:07:41.680 --> 02:07:46.159 in the area and little other places. I would imagine watch. 2390 02:07:46.039 --> 02:07:48.239 TV Channel five Saturday at one pm is when you 2391 02:07:48.279 --> 02:07:53.279 could catch territory footage in Pensacola. Also c Toba champion 2392 02:07:53.319 --> 02:07:57.319 Thunderbolt Patterson, who was a remarkable figure in the business 2393 02:07:57.359 --> 02:07:59.800 for many many reasons, is also in the territory of 2394 02:07:59.800 --> 02:08:03.279 the Austin Idol. We'll talk a lot about the significance 2395 02:08:03.279 --> 02:08:06.840 of him being no, I'm sorry, it's Austin ivy I 2396 02:08:07.000 --> 02:08:10.079 v ol. Great stuff. The Samoans Pro one and two 2397 02:08:10.119 --> 02:08:12.880 and Rickey Fields and more. How about Southeastern and Gulf 2398 02:08:12.960 --> 02:08:18.960 Coast Championship at the Montgomery Civic Center on Monday, it 2399 02:08:19.039 --> 02:08:22.880 appears to be May fourteenth, nineteen and seventy nine, the 2400 02:08:22.960 --> 02:08:26.119 Southeastern Gulf Coast Tag Champs, the Samoans to face Rickey 2401 02:08:26.159 --> 02:08:31.520 Fields and Cherry Latham. Thunderbolt Patterson to defend his championship 2402 02:08:31.520 --> 02:08:34.239 against Eddie Sullivan in an attag match. The Hulk and 2403 02:08:34.319 --> 02:08:39.279 Billy Spears versus roy Lee Welch and Ron Slinker with 2404 02:08:39.399 --> 02:08:44.479 the Austin Idol on the card there as well. The 2405 02:08:44.640 --> 02:08:46.359 ringside What is it? What do you go for ticket 2406 02:08:46.399 --> 02:08:50.079 prices four dollars ringside, three dollars general admission and two 2407 02:08:50.159 --> 02:08:52.800 dollars for children. Why don't we read it to the 2408 02:08:52.960 --> 02:08:56.520 Solar System Boss. The May seventeenth, nineteen seventy nine clipping 2409 02:08:56.560 --> 02:08:59.720 from the News Herald Hulk once again you guessed it to. 2410 02:09:00.439 --> 02:09:08.199 That's the headline. Hulk to wrestle indeed one of the 2411 02:09:08.239 --> 02:09:11.600 biggest professional wrestlers in the business. Two hudred ninety five pounds, 2412 02:09:11.600 --> 02:09:16.159 six foot six terry in parentheses the Hulk Boulder. We'll 2413 02:09:16.199 --> 02:09:18.399 team up with Eddie Sullivan in a tag team match 2414 02:09:18.439 --> 02:09:22.760 with the Continental Wrestling Association champion Thunderbold Patterson, A Black, 2415 02:09:22.960 --> 02:09:26.560 Matt Stares, and Roy Welch Thursday night at the Bowl 2416 02:09:26.600 --> 02:09:30.359 Air Wrestling Arena. The Southeastern Gulf Coast Hitaway champion Ron 2417 02:09:30.560 --> 02:09:33.880 Slinker will wrestle Austin Idel, who has been termed the 2418 02:09:34.039 --> 02:09:37.439 highest paid wrestler in the world. That clipping definitely got 2419 02:09:37.520 --> 02:09:42.560 Hulk's attention. Brother. What what'll he doing? 2420 02:09:42.640 --> 02:09:42.800 Brother? 2421 02:09:43.920 --> 02:09:45.479 What? Hey? Dude? Man? How much you wait? 2422 02:09:45.560 --> 02:09:45.720 Brother? 2423 02:09:45.880 --> 02:09:47.640 How A'm you getting paid? Getting paid? Brother? 2424 02:09:49.319 --> 02:09:49.359 What? 2425 02:09:49.720 --> 02:09:49.760 What? 2426 02:09:50.079 --> 02:09:56.239 How much? How much? Brother? I just wont know who 2427 02:09:56.239 --> 02:09:56.720 you're talking to? 2428 02:09:56.760 --> 02:09:56.800 You? 2429 02:09:56.960 --> 02:10:00.560 I get that, you know, highest paid buler. No, I 2430 02:10:00.560 --> 02:10:02.039 don't want to be highest paid. I just want to 2431 02:10:02.079 --> 02:10:03.000 be paid. 2432 02:10:03.600 --> 02:10:07.159 What's this idle mania I'm hearing about. You've been cupping 2433 02:10:07.199 --> 02:10:10.239 your year brother, You've been tearing your shirt in the bag, 2434 02:10:10.279 --> 02:10:11.000 You've been cutting. 2435 02:10:10.760 --> 02:10:15.359 Holes, your python's brother, blonde hair down on your shoulders. Dude, 2436 02:10:15.600 --> 02:10:18.560 did you get what's helping your arms? You got a 2437 02:10:18.600 --> 02:10:20.319 deep tan. You claimed to be from the West Coast 2438 02:10:20.359 --> 02:10:24.279 brother or Tannon brother. Well you go outside of the beach. 2439 02:10:24.560 --> 02:10:26.560 What do you do tanning bed? What's going on? Shades 2440 02:10:26.560 --> 02:10:31.479 on indoors? Brother? We were red yellow? So with that 2441 02:10:32.800 --> 02:10:34.239 you like red and yellow? That why are the highest 2442 02:10:34.279 --> 02:10:37.399 paid wrestler red and yellow? Real American? 2443 02:10:37.439 --> 02:10:37.600 Brother? 2444 02:10:37.640 --> 02:10:44.680 Are you American? Huh? Nice to meet you too, sir. 2445 02:10:47.680 --> 02:10:50.760 I mean I'm the news Herald, brother. I see hulk 2446 02:10:50.800 --> 02:10:52.039 of the headlines as it should be. A hold to 2447 02:10:52.039 --> 02:10:54.079 wrestles is the headline. I'm in the lead sentence here. 2448 02:10:54.159 --> 02:10:56.079 My match is the top building in the article. All 2449 02:10:56.079 --> 02:10:57.560 of a sudden I read the second paragraph and it 2450 02:10:57.600 --> 02:10:59.880 says someone else is the top I'm wrestler in the world. 2451 02:11:00.039 --> 02:11:02.039 I just want I'm just I'm just curious about how 2452 02:11:02.159 --> 02:11:04.359 you know your top paid wrestler. Brother, How do you 2453 02:11:04.359 --> 02:11:05.399 know how the paper know that? 2454 02:11:05.439 --> 02:11:05.640 Brother? 2455 02:11:05.760 --> 02:11:07.520 Is they print it some me? True? I mean when 2456 02:11:07.560 --> 02:11:10.159 they get access to our you know, payroll where they 2457 02:11:10.159 --> 02:11:12.760 work at the bank. I used to work at. Is 2458 02:11:12.760 --> 02:11:15.079 there a bank look at in Alabama? What do you know? 2459 02:11:15.560 --> 02:11:18.039 We're all the wrestler's bank. Dude? What do you know, dude? 2460 02:11:18.119 --> 02:11:20.840 You work at the bank that all the wrestlers. Are 2461 02:11:20.880 --> 02:11:24.760 you a banker? Brother? Right? Ron Slinker? Like banker? 2462 02:11:24.880 --> 02:11:25.039 Brother? 2463 02:11:25.079 --> 02:11:28.159 I mean, what was the deal? Dude's ron Slinker work 2464 02:11:28.199 --> 02:11:28.560 at the bank? 2465 02:11:28.640 --> 02:11:28.840 Dude? 2466 02:11:29.479 --> 02:11:31.159 What are you saying? Ron Ston is a banker on 2467 02:11:31.199 --> 02:11:33.640 the side due Slinker Community credit Union? Dude? Are you 2468 02:11:33.680 --> 02:11:37.640 talking about? What do you count money? Wait? Sting there 2469 02:11:38.039 --> 02:11:39.239 is he is? He tried to payroll? 2470 02:11:39.239 --> 02:11:40.760 Brother, trying to take the track of all what's going on. 2471 02:11:40.840 --> 02:11:42.640 I mean, I understand you know the deal, but I've 2472 02:11:42.680 --> 02:11:44.760 got to get a way up to speed here. 2473 02:11:44.800 --> 02:11:45.000 Brother. 2474 02:11:45.119 --> 02:11:46.760 Well, I'm just trying to you know, I'm trying to 2475 02:11:46.760 --> 02:11:48.159 get kind of get things back from track. 2476 02:11:48.239 --> 02:11:48.479 Brother. 2477 02:11:49.039 --> 02:11:51.119 I just wanted to figure out what's going on in 2478 02:11:51.199 --> 02:11:53.319 the cell. What are you doing that's making you the 2479 02:11:53.399 --> 02:11:56.039 highest paid wrestler. I want to copy it for the 2480 02:11:56.119 --> 02:11:57.760 rest of my life, dude. Basically, I want to know 2481 02:11:57.840 --> 02:11:59.239 what the evidence of brother. I want to know how 2482 02:11:59.319 --> 02:12:01.840 you got that at level, Dukes. I want to take 2483 02:12:01.880 --> 02:12:05.920 things up for the next level. Brother. I wonder how 2484 02:12:05.920 --> 02:12:08.880 I can take your life? Brother? Wow, And he will 2485 02:12:09.199 --> 02:12:13.520 and he will. But continue the article here. Southeastern Gulf 2486 02:12:13.560 --> 02:12:16.560 Coast Tag Team Championship match will pitt the Samoens current 2487 02:12:16.640 --> 02:12:21.000 champions against former title holders Ricky Fields and Terry Latham. 2488 02:12:21.319 --> 02:12:23.399 Push you ahead here. This is the May twentieth card 2489 02:12:23.439 --> 02:12:27.439 at the Municipal Auditorium double main event as the Masked 2490 02:12:27.520 --> 02:12:30.239 Gladiator to take on champion Ron slinker In in a 2491 02:12:30.279 --> 02:12:33.079 special challenge match. You better believe. It's the Hulk versus 2492 02:12:33.279 --> 02:12:36.600 Ron Fuller ce WA title on the line, Thunderbolt Patterson 2493 02:12:36.640 --> 02:12:39.279 taking on Von Hess and it's Austin Idle versus Roy 2494 02:12:39.359 --> 02:12:43.319 Welch plus a six man tag team matchup. Southeastern Pro 2495 02:12:43.399 --> 02:12:47.239 Wrestling returns Wednesday in this next article here, this is 2496 02:12:47.279 --> 02:12:49.840 from the Press Register and Boss, I'd love for you 2497 02:12:50.399 --> 02:12:52.960 to read the accompanying article. As we see a photo 2498 02:12:53.159 --> 02:12:56.640 of Harley Race and all of his license plate belt 2499 02:12:56.800 --> 02:12:59.479 carrying glory Mutton Shops on full effect. 2500 02:13:00.039 --> 02:13:05.399 Oh Yes Southeastern Professional Wrestling sanctioned by the Continental Alliance Wednesday, 2501 02:13:05.600 --> 02:13:09.439 May twenty third. Bell time will be eight pm. After 2502 02:13:09.479 --> 02:13:12.760 an absence of several months, wrestling returns with a tremendous card. 2503 02:13:13.439 --> 02:13:15.840 Leading the way will be about for the World's heavyweight 2504 02:13:15.960 --> 02:13:19.720 title with Harley Race, the National Wrestling Alliance Champion, defending 2505 02:13:19.760 --> 02:13:23.600 his title against Ron Tennessee stud Fuller. Fuller get the 2506 02:13:23.640 --> 02:13:26.960 title shot. That's right. The challenger has faced Race before 2507 02:13:27.439 --> 02:13:29.399 and has always been a good given a good account 2508 02:13:29.399 --> 02:13:33.000 of himself. This then is Fuller's golden opportunity, but he 2509 02:13:33.039 --> 02:13:36.199 faces a true title holder who was defended his belt 2510 02:13:36.279 --> 02:13:39.000 many times in the last few months. In a Gulf 2511 02:13:39.079 --> 02:13:42.359 Toast tag match, the Samoans champions will defend their belts 2512 02:13:42.359 --> 02:13:45.880 against the youthful Rickey Fields and Terry Latham. This should 2513 02:13:45.960 --> 02:13:50.319 be a rousing battle. Popular Bob Armstrong has his work 2514 02:13:50.359 --> 02:13:53.000 cut out for the Moon he takes on the Hulk 2515 02:13:53.279 --> 02:13:56.720 in a single bout. Thunderable Patterson is back on the 2516 02:13:56.720 --> 02:13:59.800 scene when he swaps holds with Inferno Number One in 2517 02:13:59.840 --> 02:14:04.640 a Continental title wrestling match. Ox Baker makes his first 2518 02:14:04.640 --> 02:14:08.920 appearance in Mobile when he takes on Ron Slinker. There 2519 02:14:09.000 --> 02:14:11.880 will be others on the card, including Austin Idel. This 2520 02:14:12.079 --> 02:14:15.439 great program marks the return of professional wrestling to the 2521 02:14:15.520 --> 02:14:18.479 Mobile area Wednesday, May twenty third. 2522 02:14:18.600 --> 02:14:20.760 So there it is Harley Race come into the territory 2523 02:14:21.399 --> 02:14:23.399 and he's going to meet or at least we're led 2524 02:14:23.439 --> 02:14:27.199 to believe the Tennessee stud Ron Fuller for the World's 2525 02:14:27.199 --> 02:14:29.840 Heavyweight Championship. You see there the poster to the left. 2526 02:14:29.920 --> 02:14:33.239 Southeastern Wrestling returns Wednesday, May twenty fourth, eight pm, Bell 2527 02:14:33.319 --> 02:14:36.720 Time World's Heavyweight Championship match Harley Race the champion versus 2528 02:14:36.760 --> 02:14:40.399 Tennessee Stud Fuller. The Samoans with manager Billy Spears defend 2529 02:14:40.439 --> 02:14:43.560 the Southeastern Tag Team Championships against Ricky Fields and Terry Latham. 2530 02:14:43.560 --> 02:14:46.119 Thunderbolt Patterson meets in Frontal number one for the CWWA title, 2531 02:14:46.199 --> 02:14:50.079 and The Hulk versus Bob Armstrong. On the same card, 2532 02:14:50.399 --> 02:14:52.319 we're Hardley Race to defend the richest prize in the 2533 02:14:52.359 --> 02:14:54.560 game against Ron Fuller. Austin Iidel also on the card, 2534 02:14:54.600 --> 02:14:57.079 and many more bouts. Watch wrestling Saturday one pm on 2535 02:14:57.199 --> 02:14:59.960 Channel five. So there it is Harley's coming to town 2536 02:15:00.520 --> 02:15:02.680 and Ron fullernew this he knew he's got Andre comming 2537 02:15:02.680 --> 02:15:04.720 and then he's got Harley coming big one, two special 2538 02:15:04.760 --> 02:15:07.439 attractions for Tory Lake Gulf Coast. You better have big 2539 02:15:07.520 --> 02:15:10.760 plans to leverage it and leave people behind after those 2540 02:15:10.800 --> 02:15:13.760 two leave town. That can draw for you, and you believe, 2541 02:15:13.880 --> 02:15:17.079 you better believe that Terry the Boulder figures prominently as 2542 02:15:17.119 --> 02:15:19.680 we just described, not just in the Andre scenario, but 2543 02:15:20.199 --> 02:15:23.680 in the Harley Race scenario as well, Because if you 2544 02:15:23.840 --> 02:15:27.560 think that, in fact, Harley Race ends up defending against 2545 02:15:27.640 --> 02:15:30.640 Ron Fuller on this fateful night in Mobile, Alabama, you're 2546 02:15:30.640 --> 02:15:34.079 not paying attention because Hulk Cogan is about to step 2547 02:15:34.119 --> 02:15:38.960 into the foreground just like WrestleMania nine mmmm and come 2548 02:15:39.039 --> 02:15:44.319 to run Fuller's injured rescue and challenge right then and 2549 02:15:44.399 --> 02:15:46.920 there for the world's have a right title. 2550 02:15:47.560 --> 02:15:55.399 So even that fucking angle is ripped off, that would be. 2551 02:15:57.039 --> 02:16:01.039 Correct and we will get there the complete Hulkogan I 2552 02:16:01.079 --> 02:16:04.000 mentioned Bob Rup. It's important to remember that this is 2553 02:16:04.119 --> 02:16:08.479 happening at the same time. According to Ron Fuller, right 2554 02:16:08.560 --> 02:16:11.039 around this time, just as Hulk is hitting his stride 2555 02:16:11.279 --> 02:16:14.640 against Andre and preparing to be programmed against Harley Race, 2556 02:16:14.720 --> 02:16:17.720 the world's heavyweight champion Bob Roup comes to Ron Fuller 2557 02:16:18.159 --> 02:16:22.039 running Knoxville for him. He says that he and Ron 2558 02:16:22.079 --> 02:16:26.720 Wright both witnessed the ticket sellers that Ron Fuller had 2559 02:16:26.760 --> 02:16:30.880 put in Knoxville to two ladies. Oh, steal money, steal 2560 02:16:30.920 --> 02:16:31.680 money from the gate. 2561 02:16:31.840 --> 02:16:32.040 Yes. 2562 02:16:33.120 --> 02:16:36.520 Ron Fuller is beside himself, said he'd never heard anything 2563 02:16:36.600 --> 02:16:38.840 like that about these particular women that he put in 2564 02:16:38.920 --> 02:16:41.479 that position. And he says there was a referee in 2565 02:16:41.559 --> 02:16:43.639 that part of the territory named mac McMurray. 2566 02:16:44.200 --> 02:16:45.360 What are you accusing me of? 2567 02:16:45.840 --> 02:16:49.840 Huh? You accuse me of steal money off my goddamn 2568 02:16:50.239 --> 02:16:52.159 what do you think? I'm selling tickets and I'm poking 2569 02:16:52.239 --> 02:16:53.360 on the daddamn change. 2570 02:16:53.479 --> 02:16:55.559 There's not a whole lot of Kate Spade around here 2571 02:16:55.639 --> 02:16:58.040 that you often see. Suddenly you gals are turning up, 2572 02:16:58.159 --> 02:16:59.920 You're jangling with their rings. 2573 02:17:00.000 --> 02:17:01.799 So I'm gonna tell you so, I'm gonna jangle your 2574 02:17:01.879 --> 02:17:04.280 throat with my goddamn hands in the fendll out two 2575 02:17:04.319 --> 02:17:08.760 minutes you stop accusing that bullshit. I'm an artist, goddamn woman, 2576 02:17:09.520 --> 02:17:11.959 and I got these through hard work and through the 2577 02:17:12.239 --> 02:17:14.399 cut of my jib, And I'm gonna tell you I 2578 02:17:14.520 --> 02:17:17.120 work sold goddamn, I don't mind killing the motherfucker a 2579 02:17:17.200 --> 02:17:22.440 half tow wight to his face. I've killed before, and 2580 02:17:22.559 --> 02:17:25.600 I'll kill again at that Bob rup and I'll put 2581 02:17:25.680 --> 02:17:29.159 your fucking name on my goddamn list. Ron knows how 2582 02:17:29.200 --> 02:17:31.399 to pick him, and he knows how to deploy him, 2583 02:17:31.399 --> 02:17:35.920 doesn't he knows how to depend. I'll fuck you afterwards too, 2584 02:17:38.319 --> 02:17:41.280 after your dad. Your mama sure does love you, boy. 2585 02:17:42.079 --> 02:17:42.559 Mm hmm. 2586 02:17:43.280 --> 02:17:46.159 So Mac McMurray, the guy that Fuller put, you know, 2587 02:17:46.280 --> 02:17:48.239 sort of like the Arnold skulln position in charge of 2588 02:17:48.360 --> 02:17:50.959 monitoring the gate and everything and a referee in that area, 2589 02:17:52.440 --> 02:17:54.000 and in fact someone who had lent run full of 2590 02:17:54.079 --> 02:17:56.239 himself money to buy the territory and get started as 2591 02:17:56.239 --> 02:17:58.360 an owner. He was the one that Fuller trusted to 2592 02:17:58.440 --> 02:18:00.959 keep track and verify ticket saless in the Knoxville part 2593 02:18:01.000 --> 02:18:02.799 of the territory, and he was the one that brought 2594 02:18:02.840 --> 02:18:04.680 the money back on a nightly basis to make sure 2595 02:18:04.719 --> 02:18:09.319 the office got what they were do And once Ron 2596 02:18:09.399 --> 02:18:12.360 Fuller kind of according to him, pushed back at Bob 2597 02:18:12.440 --> 02:18:15.239 Roop saying that these two women in particular were skimming tickets, saying, 2598 02:18:15.319 --> 02:18:17.840 I really don't think they would do something like that. Suddenly, 2599 02:18:17.920 --> 02:18:20.479 according to Ron Fuller, Bob roops which is his story, 2600 02:18:21.040 --> 02:18:24.399 and he says, well, you know what the payoffs forget that, 2601 02:18:24.600 --> 02:18:26.280 we're just not getting paid enough for these shows at 2602 02:18:26.319 --> 02:18:30.159 the Knoxville Coliseum. He kind of accorded. Ron Fuller just 2603 02:18:30.239 --> 02:18:32.399 kind of drops the whole conspiracy theory about these ladies 2604 02:18:33.000 --> 02:18:37.079 keeps shifting around why he's discontented, and to Ron's conspiratorial mind, 2605 02:18:37.680 --> 02:18:40.040 what rob Roup is doing is basically setting a series 2606 02:18:40.079 --> 02:18:41.799 of pretenses to try to make a run on the 2607 02:18:41.879 --> 02:18:44.280 territory and to try to set a bunch of pretenses 2608 02:18:44.319 --> 02:18:46.319 for why the wrestlers would want to go with Bob 2609 02:18:46.360 --> 02:18:49.120 Roop's alternative outlaw group instead of sticking around and still 2610 02:18:49.120 --> 02:18:51.920 work for Ron Fuller. Fuller says, you know, it's weird 2611 02:18:52.040 --> 02:18:56.079 because I don't handle ticket sales at the coliseum, this 2612 02:18:56.280 --> 02:18:58.719 venue that you claim is selling out way more than 2613 02:18:58.719 --> 02:19:01.719 you guys are getting paid up per year percentage that's 2614 02:19:01.760 --> 02:19:04.159 actually run by the building. The office, the wrestling office 2615 02:19:04.200 --> 02:19:06.360 doesn't handle that money. It's kind of a unique arrangement 2616 02:19:06.440 --> 02:19:09.840 out there. And you know, pretty good wrestlers have got 2617 02:19:09.879 --> 02:19:12.159 pretty good a judging houses have been going there for years. 2618 02:19:13.000 --> 02:19:16.879 So Roup changes tack again according to Ron Fuller and says, 2619 02:19:16.879 --> 02:19:19.159 A right, fine, Well all the wrestlers are very unhappy 2620 02:19:19.200 --> 02:19:22.280 with their payoffs. You know why and how and who 2621 02:19:22.399 --> 02:19:25.840 runs what and who's responsible is besides the point? And 2622 02:19:25.920 --> 02:19:29.040 Fuller says, well, you're the booker. Attendance has been down 2623 02:19:29.079 --> 02:19:31.719 in Knoxville. That's why the payoffs are down. The payoffs 2624 02:19:31.719 --> 02:19:33.319 are a percentage of how much you draw at the gate. 2625 02:19:33.719 --> 02:19:35.239 And if you're not booking cards, the people want to 2626 02:19:35.239 --> 02:19:36.879 buy tickets to come to see. Of course the payoffs 2627 02:19:36.920 --> 02:19:39.559 are going to be down. You're not doing this on purpose, 2628 02:19:39.600 --> 02:19:39.799 are you? 2629 02:19:40.959 --> 02:19:41.000 So? 2630 02:19:41.079 --> 02:19:45.159 According to Ron Fuller, Bob Roup changes history again, mentioning 2631 02:19:45.200 --> 02:19:49.479 the two Knoxville Hardley Race states upcoming, and suddenly Bob 2632 02:19:49.520 --> 02:19:50.959 Roup says, you know what, Ron Fuller, I want you 2633 02:19:51.040 --> 02:19:52.799 to wrestle Harley when he comes to the town. I 2634 02:19:52.920 --> 02:19:54.559 want you to wrestle Harley on my car. 2635 02:19:54.719 --> 02:19:54.920 Wow. 2636 02:19:55.559 --> 02:19:57.639 Ron's like, but I you know, I've been down in 2637 02:19:58.239 --> 02:20:01.159 Dothan and Mobile and Montgomery. I been out in Knoxville 2638 02:20:01.200 --> 02:20:03.600 in seven weeks. They're not even accustomed to me being 2639 02:20:03.639 --> 02:20:06.200 out there, let alone building me up for a title shot. 2640 02:20:06.680 --> 02:20:07.959 And the last time I was on a card in 2641 02:20:08.000 --> 02:20:09.879 that market, I was like third match. I wasn't even 2642 02:20:09.879 --> 02:20:12.200 the main event. Why don't you put Ronnie Garvin, who 2643 02:20:12.239 --> 02:20:14.239 was headlining in Knoxville for Bob Roup at the time, 2644 02:20:14.399 --> 02:20:15.719 in there against Harley Race? 2645 02:20:15.760 --> 02:20:15.959 Do that? 2646 02:20:16.159 --> 02:20:18.879 This is what Ron Fuller recalls saying, and he says 2647 02:20:18.920 --> 02:20:22.399 that Rob Rupe responded that Ronnie actually wanted to see 2648 02:20:22.399 --> 02:20:24.559 if Fuller could put the asses in the seats. Mmm, 2649 02:20:25.280 --> 02:20:26.200 is she gonna come over here? 2650 02:20:26.879 --> 02:20:27.600 This is Bob Roup. 2651 02:20:27.840 --> 02:20:29.760 You'd come over here and say that payoffs are down 2652 02:20:29.760 --> 02:20:31.280 because I don't know how to book and fill buildings. 2653 02:20:31.319 --> 02:20:34.040 Will find Harley Race is coming here. That's the most 2654 02:20:34.040 --> 02:20:36.360 guaranteed money night you could have in the NWA days. 2655 02:20:37.360 --> 02:20:39.120 You go against him, We'll see how much Ron Fuller 2656 02:20:39.200 --> 02:20:43.680 draws to see if you've got a point. And ron said, fine, 2657 02:20:43.719 --> 02:20:46.319 book me. Book me for the world title on the 2658 02:20:46.360 --> 02:20:48.840 first show and a Texas death match against Harley Race 2659 02:20:48.879 --> 02:20:51.479 on the next show for the dates we have on Harley. 2660 02:20:52.120 --> 02:20:54.239 And with that, Ron Fuller recalls, Bob Roup left his 2661 02:20:54.360 --> 02:20:57.799 house and it was the last time that Ron Fuller 2662 02:20:57.799 --> 02:21:01.600 would be alone in a room with Bob rup things 2663 02:21:01.639 --> 02:21:06.520 are happening, Sands are shifting, and Hulkovin is kind of 2664 02:21:06.600 --> 02:21:08.879 just a party to it. But he will be caught 2665 02:21:08.920 --> 02:21:12.879 up in the winds and the storm that old cyclone 2666 02:21:13.920 --> 02:21:19.200 down there. But of course, Hulk isn't just Terry Bolea 2667 02:21:19.920 --> 02:21:23.120 a brilliant mind is He isn't just subjecting himself to 2668 02:21:23.200 --> 02:21:25.639 the vicissitudes of what might happen in this power struggle 2669 02:21:25.680 --> 02:21:28.200 between Ron Fuller and Bob Rupe. He's not leaving his 2670 02:21:28.319 --> 02:21:32.239 fate in the hands of these two small time promoters 2671 02:21:32.399 --> 02:21:36.280 arguing over small time money. No, Terry's always had his 2672 02:21:36.360 --> 02:21:41.040 eye on the bottom line, and according to the match 2673 02:21:41.079 --> 02:21:44.280 result chronologies that are out there from his career, even 2674 02:21:44.319 --> 02:21:48.479 though he's just wrestled Andre in May and he's about 2675 02:21:49.120 --> 02:21:52.120 to be programmed against Hartley Race later that month, he's 2676 02:21:52.159 --> 02:21:57.319 already dipping his toe. Is Terry Bolea in Memphis, Memphis. 2677 02:21:58.399 --> 02:22:01.360 The earliest result I can see for hul Cogan wrestling 2678 02:22:01.440 --> 02:22:05.040 in Memphis is May fourteenth, just week after wrestling under 2679 02:22:05.120 --> 02:22:07.959 the Giant. He's the Mid South Colisseum, the mecca of 2680 02:22:08.000 --> 02:22:11.079 wrestling in Memphis, and he's taking on the stumper for 2681 02:22:11.159 --> 02:22:13.799 the NWA Southern heavyweight title. Now, this might not be 2682 02:22:14.000 --> 02:22:16.639 entirely surprising because, as we've already discussed on the Complete 2683 02:22:16.719 --> 02:22:19.479 Hulk Hogan, Ron Fuller's brother Rob Fuller, was booking Memphis 2684 02:22:20.239 --> 02:22:22.360 upon the onset of nineteen seventy nine, and while there 2685 02:22:22.399 --> 02:22:26.959 had been some disagreements between Rob Fuller and Jerry Jarrett 2686 02:22:27.159 --> 02:22:30.360 and Jerry Lawler about how much of the gate as 2687 02:22:30.440 --> 02:22:32.760 the territory was recovering should go to the talent from 2688 02:22:32.760 --> 02:22:34.680 twenty eight percent down to twenty two percent is but 2689 02:22:35.319 --> 02:22:38.920 Ron Fuller says Jerry Jarrett wanted to do it still wasn't, 2690 02:22:39.440 --> 02:22:42.479 according to Ron Fuller, complete Splitsville between him and Memphis. 2691 02:22:42.840 --> 02:22:46.440 They were still allies more than they were enemies. Yeah, 2692 02:22:46.559 --> 02:22:50.479 but something tells me that Terry Boley as Antenna, very 2693 02:22:50.559 --> 02:22:54.639 quickly picked up that there was trouble in Paradise. Yeah, 2694 02:22:54.840 --> 02:22:57.200 and there may very well Boss be a rich opportunity 2695 02:22:57.479 --> 02:23:00.040 for Terry for the first of many many times in 2696 02:23:00.120 --> 02:23:04.280 his life, to play both sides against each other. This 2697 02:23:04.520 --> 02:23:06.239 is from Hulk's second book. I've just sent it to you. 2698 02:23:06.280 --> 02:23:10.840 Apologies for the color there of the font, No probably, 2699 02:23:11.159 --> 02:23:13.680 but I think this is very clearly puts us into 2700 02:23:13.719 --> 02:23:17.440 the mind of this cherry bolea who's now starting to 2701 02:23:17.600 --> 02:23:20.280 see by the houses he drew with Andre the Giant, 2702 02:23:20.920 --> 02:23:24.040 by the way, that it's trouble in paradise for the 2703 02:23:24.120 --> 02:23:27.680 Knoxville territory and for the Memphis relationship, that he may 2704 02:23:27.760 --> 02:23:31.239 have a chance here to parlay the buzz that's spreading 2705 02:23:31.280 --> 02:23:33.600 around on the inside of the business around what he'd 2706 02:23:33.600 --> 02:23:36.840 done with Andrea to much greater riches and much more 2707 02:23:36.959 --> 02:23:38.159 leverage at the bargaining table. 2708 02:23:39.879 --> 02:23:43.239 Technically, I wasn't the best wrestler. I wasn't quick, I 2709 02:23:43.360 --> 02:23:45.840 was an athletic. I couldn't jump off the top ropes. 2710 02:23:46.040 --> 02:23:48.879 On the other hand, I wasn't an old fashioned, thick 2711 02:23:48.959 --> 02:23:52.479 headed fat wrestler either. I was right in between, and 2712 02:23:52.559 --> 02:23:55.680 the more I wrestled, the more I developed my own style. 2713 02:23:56.239 --> 02:23:59.079 In fact, it was right during this time that I 2714 02:23:59.200 --> 02:24:02.719 started using the leg drop to finish off my opponents. 2715 02:24:03.280 --> 02:24:06.360 The crowds went nuts for it a few months later. 2716 02:24:06.760 --> 02:24:09.879 If you want us into this routine, Louis de lett 2717 02:24:10.559 --> 02:24:14.319 made a big mistake. So I'm I'm booking you out 2718 02:24:14.639 --> 02:24:17.159 this Monday night. You told me I want I want 2719 02:24:17.239 --> 02:24:20.559 you to go up to Memphis. By this time, brother 2720 02:24:22.520 --> 02:24:26.719 it was a Memphis dude. Of course it wasn't his fault. 2721 02:24:27.639 --> 02:24:27.760 You know. 2722 02:24:27.840 --> 02:24:30.079 By this time, I had started to understand that wrestling 2723 02:24:30.159 --> 02:24:32.000 this is a little bit more, you know, I'd picked 2724 02:24:32.079 --> 02:24:34.920 up on things. I didn't have those blinders on like 2725 02:24:35.000 --> 02:24:37.440 I did when I first started in Florida, and I 2726 02:24:37.559 --> 02:24:40.079 knew that Memphis could be a major stepping stone to 2727 02:24:40.159 --> 02:24:43.440 wrestle in New York City. The Memphis Territory, run by 2728 02:24:43.520 --> 02:24:46.719 Jerry Lawler and Jerry Drartt, was known for doing the 2729 02:24:46.959 --> 02:24:50.000 kind of all kinds of circus stuff. They had tar 2730 02:24:50.120 --> 02:24:53.680 and leather matches and loser leaves, towel matches and hanging 2731 02:24:53.719 --> 02:24:56.600 the manager in a cage above the ring matches, you know, 2732 02:24:56.760 --> 02:25:01.319 crazy stuff. It was also the perfect play develop a gimmick, 2733 02:25:01.799 --> 02:25:05.520 and that was key because because all of the guys 2734 02:25:06.399 --> 02:25:08.479 were making the really we're making the really big money 2735 02:25:08.520 --> 02:25:12.760 in New York had a gimmick? Did did? Did Bruno 2736 02:25:12.760 --> 02:25:17.520 Summer here have a gimmick? Right? Bruno having a gimmick? 2737 02:25:18.639 --> 02:25:20.959 You know there are sargeist laughter, the Russian Bear, Iron, 2738 02:25:21.200 --> 02:25:23.559 the Iron Chic. You know, there there were no there 2739 02:25:23.600 --> 02:25:28.280 were no Joe blows. You know, brother, what what Joe 2740 02:25:28.360 --> 02:25:32.639 blow do Brother. You wrote a brother? What do you 2741 02:25:32.719 --> 02:25:36.079 not wrote to do? What we're talking about brothers in 2742 02:25:36.159 --> 02:25:37.879 your book? Brother? You know you wrote the book brother. 2743 02:25:38.879 --> 02:25:42.319 I know I wrote, Dude, You've got a Joe blow 2744 02:25:42.360 --> 02:25:45.239 push brother. Don't said anything about Joe Bull push brother. 2745 02:25:45.680 --> 02:25:48.239 You're talking about Joe Blow push Brother. Well, I didn't 2746 02:25:48.239 --> 02:25:48.840 say that, Joe. 2747 02:25:49.200 --> 02:25:51.200 You would be a hell of a studio wrestler job 2748 02:25:51.360 --> 02:25:51.840 or name. 2749 02:25:53.239 --> 02:25:57.319 You imagine. Also, I mean just the idea of now 2750 02:25:57.399 --> 02:26:00.959 Hogan's getting nervous from himself, of course, is pretty fucking. 2751 02:26:05.399 --> 02:26:05.520 Uh. 2752 02:26:05.959 --> 02:26:08.520 You know, no regular name wrestlers just got in the 2753 02:26:08.639 --> 02:26:12.079 ring and wrestled. You know, everybody had something extra, So 2754 02:26:12.239 --> 02:26:15.040 Brutus and I drove up the Memphis by this one 2755 02:26:15.159 --> 02:26:17.719 night to wrestle as the Boulder Brothers. I mean, they 2756 02:26:17.799 --> 02:26:20.159 put on a hell of a show. I know because 2757 02:26:20.280 --> 02:26:23.399 Jared and Lawler you know, pulled me aside immediately after 2758 02:26:23.479 --> 02:26:25.680 the match and said, Yo, Terry, you know we wanted 2759 02:26:25.719 --> 02:26:28.399 to come work here. I told him I couldn't because 2760 02:26:28.440 --> 02:26:31.920 I was committed to the Alabama territory, you know, Louis Tiletta, 2761 02:26:31.920 --> 02:26:33.680 and give me a break when I really when I 2762 02:26:33.760 --> 02:26:36.760 really needed it, and I couldn't let him down, you know. 2763 02:26:36.840 --> 02:26:38.639 Then they asked me how much money I was making? 2764 02:26:39.200 --> 02:26:42.479 Only one fifty one seventy five a week. I said, well, 2765 02:26:42.600 --> 02:26:45.360 we'll give you an eight hundred dollars a week guarantee. 2766 02:26:46.239 --> 02:26:49.079 About a shocker. You know, I wasn't as much of 2767 02:26:49.159 --> 02:26:51.280 a mark as I used to be, but I wasn't 2768 02:26:51.399 --> 02:26:55.239 totally disloyal either, So I played really cool and told 2769 02:26:55.280 --> 02:26:57.319 him I needed to go back and talk to Tilette 2770 02:26:57.319 --> 02:27:00.600 about it, exactly what I did. Now I'm back Alabama 2771 02:27:00.680 --> 02:27:02.799 and confronted to that, I said, we know I'm wrestling 2772 02:27:03.120 --> 02:27:05.000 seven is a week for you. You know, the Bowler 2773 02:27:05.079 --> 02:27:07.719 Brothers are making a name and draw on audiences. You know, 2774 02:27:07.799 --> 02:27:10.680 how come I'm only making you know, one seventy five tops? 2775 02:27:11.680 --> 02:27:11.799 You know? 2776 02:27:11.920 --> 02:27:15.760 His response, that's all you're worth and all you deserve. 2777 02:27:16.399 --> 02:27:19.120 So I hit him with the eight hundred a show week, 2778 02:27:19.879 --> 02:27:22.719 eight hundred a week guarantee. I've just been offered a 2779 02:27:22.799 --> 02:27:25.200 Memphis and said Ed and I were leaving and to 2780 02:27:25.319 --> 02:27:28.000 let just about shit a brick, right, and we called 2781 02:27:28.079 --> 02:27:31.200 Jared Lawler up the Memphis screaming, how can you steal talent? 2782 02:27:31.840 --> 02:27:34.079 How did you a favor for one night and this 2783 02:27:34.200 --> 02:27:37.559 is what happens. How can you do this? He was pissed. 2784 02:27:38.040 --> 02:27:40.399 It didn't matter, you know, Brutus and I had already 2785 02:27:40.959 --> 02:27:43.399 had one foot in the van at that point, and 2786 02:27:43.520 --> 02:27:45.479 we were on our way to the big time, and 2787 02:27:45.600 --> 02:27:46.120 we knew it. 2788 02:27:48.200 --> 02:27:50.040 On our way to the big time, and we knew 2789 02:27:50.040 --> 02:27:52.799 it as well. For Terry bulay A, Memphis counted as 2790 02:27:52.840 --> 02:27:56.680 the big time at this fertile, furtive stage of his career, 2791 02:27:57.239 --> 02:28:00.479 and it's going to be fascinating to watch him play 2792 02:28:00.639 --> 02:28:05.040 many promoters out of each other simultaneously. He's established himself 2793 02:28:05.120 --> 02:28:08.280 with the Andre match early and often, and Ron Fuller 2794 02:28:08.360 --> 02:28:10.159 is not able to keep a lid on it. Other 2795 02:28:10.319 --> 02:28:13.680 territories are making plays. But what can't we forget? We 2796 02:28:13.799 --> 02:28:16.360 can't forget that, According to ed Leslie has read from 2797 02:28:16.399 --> 02:28:19.000 his book last week, it wasn't that all of a sudden, 2798 02:28:19.040 --> 02:28:22.280 Louis Toilette had an idea to send these guys to Memphis. 2799 02:28:22.840 --> 02:28:27.159 According to Eddie Boulder, Jerry Jarrett recruited them out of 2800 02:28:27.239 --> 02:28:29.319 Cocoa Beach and said, we'll bring you in as the Boulders, 2801 02:28:29.879 --> 02:28:32.120 but we want you to go somewhere else to get 2802 02:28:32.159 --> 02:28:35.200 the gimmick working first, and that would be Alabama now 2803 02:28:35.360 --> 02:28:38.000 conspicuous by his absence and everything we've talked about thus 2804 02:28:38.040 --> 02:28:41.600 far and Golf Gulf Coast results is Ed Boulder himself, 2805 02:28:42.399 --> 02:28:44.840 who never appears to have anything to have had anything 2806 02:28:44.879 --> 02:28:47.399 to do with Terry the Hope Boulder in Southeastern Championship President. 2807 02:28:47.840 --> 02:28:50.719 There are no match results that exist of him teaming 2808 02:28:50.760 --> 02:28:52.920 with Terry or even wrestling on any of these cards, 2809 02:28:53.239 --> 02:28:56.840 even wrestling in SECW until nineteen eighty, after Terry has 2810 02:28:56.840 --> 02:28:59.559 already left. But I think, as we've established, I think 2811 02:28:59.559 --> 02:29:01.760 it is will to suggest that he certainly was living 2812 02:29:01.840 --> 02:29:04.000 with and traveling with Terry at this time, learning the 2813 02:29:04.079 --> 02:29:06.760 business along with Terry, ascending in the business at this 2814 02:29:06.799 --> 02:29:09.280 point in time, and maybe got on some prelim cards 2815 02:29:09.399 --> 02:29:12.200 or some cards where results are under reported somewhere around 2816 02:29:12.239 --> 02:29:15.360 the way, and perhaps even teamed with Terry before any 2817 02:29:15.440 --> 02:29:18.840 official or surviving match results indicate. But that is a 2818 02:29:18.920 --> 02:29:23.319 key distinction that the Memphis was expecting them from the beginning, 2819 02:29:23.799 --> 02:29:26.520 and we're using Alabama as approving ground. Is that a 2820 02:29:26.559 --> 02:29:30.319 story you make up after the fact to paper over 2821 02:29:30.399 --> 02:29:32.639 the fact that you essentially just went for the higher 2822 02:29:32.680 --> 02:29:35.479 bidder and said fuck you to Louis Delay, who made 2823 02:29:35.520 --> 02:29:37.239 you a made man in the business when nobody else 2824 02:29:37.280 --> 02:29:39.799 wanted to book you. Or is it as simple as 2825 02:29:39.840 --> 02:29:41.399 what hulc Can just outlined in his book as it 2826 02:29:41.440 --> 02:29:43.840 can't be both. It can't be that they came with 2827 02:29:43.879 --> 02:29:46.040 the eight hundred dollars guarantee, so I'm going to Memphis, 2828 02:29:46.200 --> 02:29:48.760 and Memphis sent us here to work on the gimmick 2829 02:29:48.799 --> 02:29:52.000 with the understanding we were coming back. But at least 2830 02:29:52.000 --> 02:29:53.479 according to Hulk Coke and it was Louis Tolay, the 2831 02:29:53.520 --> 02:29:56.479 guy that brought the Hulk in, created the Hulk programmed 2832 02:29:56.520 --> 02:29:58.639 against Andrea, had the stroke with Andre to make it 2833 02:29:58.760 --> 02:30:03.600 happen and blew out the business in that territory that 2834 02:30:03.760 --> 02:30:06.520 suggested that made perhaps the fatal suggestion that Hulk go 2835 02:30:06.680 --> 02:30:09.879 and give Memphis a try, because he's gonna fucking hit 2836 02:30:09.920 --> 02:30:13.120 it big out there as well, because even more than Alabama, 2837 02:30:13.200 --> 02:30:17.000 Memphis was a territory absolutely known across the wrestling world 2838 02:30:17.639 --> 02:30:22.200 that would go super ridiculous with gimmicks and fantasy angles 2839 02:30:22.399 --> 02:30:25.520 and monsters and the supernatural, and in the hands of 2840 02:30:25.639 --> 02:30:29.440 artists Jerry Lawler, you think he's going to hold back 2841 02:30:29.799 --> 02:30:31.959 in some of the sketch work he can do. Now 2842 02:30:32.040 --> 02:30:36.520 that he has the Hulk marvel Ip coming to his territory, 2843 02:30:36.559 --> 02:30:36.879 you get. 2844 02:30:36.799 --> 02:30:37.559 Another thing coming. 2845 02:30:37.920 --> 02:30:41.239 It's about piled up to a whole new level. Memphis 2846 02:30:41.319 --> 02:30:44.040 is knocking, and just as hul Cogan is prepared to 2847 02:30:44.079 --> 02:30:47.559 stare across the ring from NWA World Heavyweight Champion Harley 2848 02:30:47.639 --> 02:30:49.959 Race in the Gulf Coast, it is just as quickly 2849 02:30:50.159 --> 02:30:53.120 over for Hulk Cogan in the Gulf Wow. Not only 2850 02:30:53.239 --> 02:30:54.879 is it over for hul Cogan in the Gulf Coast, 2851 02:30:55.000 --> 02:30:58.399 It's soon going to be over for Ron Fuller himself 2852 02:30:58.799 --> 02:31:01.799 and then the territory that and so much more to 2853 02:31:01.879 --> 02:31:04.840 come on the Complete Hulk Hogan as Terry the Hulk 2854 02:31:04.920 --> 02:31:08.559 Boulder stares across the ring from n w A World 2855 02:31:08.680 --> 02:31:10.159 Champion Harley Race,