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Speaker 1: What is up? Fellasko's I am Dan Valley coming at

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you with the one, the only, this certify fantabulous mister

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Grant Hughes Hardwood Knox has gathered here today to finally,

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after teasing it in discord for a while, apologies for

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the delays on our end mail bag time. Here's the mail, Grant.

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It never fails. Are you a Blues Clues kid?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: But I do get the reference, partly because if you're

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watching this you can see the little banner at the

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bottom that does have the dog and a mailbox.

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Speaker 2: It's it's all very thoughtfully done. I was not. I

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think maybe I'm too old for Blues Clues? Does that

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be two?

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Speaker 1: But for some of all I was like on the

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on the fringe. It was on and there was no

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other younger children in my house. Maybe it was on

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for me. I could sing a bunch of songs from

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Steve that was the Blues right?

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Speaker 3: I don't think I could do one? Should that be

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the episode? How many Blues Clue songs can we get

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Dan to sing?

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be That's a stat padding thing, for sure.

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Speaker 3: Just rate the accuracy of the lyrics. No, but great, great,

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opportunity to discuss the mail. What what I do think

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of blues clues when when you mentioned mail?

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Speaker 2: So this feels like it's working. There we go, How

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are you doing, sir, I'm doing well. I still want

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to stay on this topic.

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Speaker 3: I think of mister mcpheely from mister Rogers, who was

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the maleman on that show. Odd name in hindsight as

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I say it, but he would deliver the mail to

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mister Rogers and they, you know, just have a chat

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Speaker 1: That's yeah, mister mister mcpheeley sounds like an adults handle

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on the roadblocks chatty abbers. I just I don't I

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remember mister Rogers. I don't remember any of the other

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people's names that were on that show.

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Speaker 2: What do you remember mister Rogers?

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Speaker 1: The neighborhood song where he'd just be taking his shoes

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on and off and like get it like, which is

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all kind of like why is he getting sort of undressed?

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I'm not sure I entirely. And he was changing his

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sweater vest.

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Speaker 3: Right he would have to switch into a sweater. I

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think he would change from like you know, like uh

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not wingtips, but like dressier shoes into sneakers, I think,

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and he's got to wind down.

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Speaker 2: It's been a long day at the office.

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Speaker 3: For whatever mister Rogers does at the office, I think

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that's the idea he's coming. He's you're gonna get the

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the looser, cooler mister Rogers at home.

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Speaker 2: When he goes sweater and sneakers, I think.

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Speaker 1: Did he have for someone the party sweater? Like what

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was the what was the party sweater versus the yeah business.

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Speaker 3: It would be a great bit if he just came

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in and changed into exactly the same sweater but it

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was like a different one, and then changed into the

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exact same shoes. That's probably happened before they just ran

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right with all the same clothes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm doing well. I'm happy to hit this mailbag. Finally.

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These are so some of these are what a week

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week or so old?

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Speaker 1: But I was I was talking the questions.

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Speaker 2: It's all pretty relevant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all super elevant. But we have a ton

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of questions. We'll get to as many as possible because

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what happens, I guess when you let it sit for

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a little bit. I think I tease this mailbag for

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three weeks, and normally we give a few days notice.

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these news items that we have to tackle first before

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here grant are Yiannis in the Bucks just a lost cause?

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Speaker 3: Oh hey, this Buck's ownership situation is very weird and

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it's complicating what has already become a much too complicated

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Yannis endless trade saga. Which is so and the deal

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Speaker 2: Majority owner.

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then every and then after five years it switches to

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this is effectively the same setup that Eden's and Lazarie

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and then what the reporting from Ramona Shelburne indicates is

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that people around the league it's the classic we're not

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really sure who's making decisions over there, I don't know

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who to talk to type of thing that you hear

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when there's it's just a poor, I don't know org

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chart set up in terms of decision making. So that's

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all just adding a layer of complication to the honest stuff.

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Would you add anything to that sort of summary of

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Speaker 1: Well, there's been the disagreement over shutting him down between

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some of the disagreement about are we shutting him down

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or not is not just Giannis has an opinion and

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the team has one. It's the team might have more

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than one opinion on it, or they can't agree on it.

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Speaker 1: No, I think it's I don't understand. This really just

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feels like the most long, inevitable, drawn out divorce that

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we've seen when it comes to superstars in the NBA,

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and not one. There's been times where it was it

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felt media manufactured because how many years ago was it

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Danny Ainge in Boston is planning around Giannis's availability. That

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wasn't Jannie insided or Bucks insided the past what too?

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feels like. And I don't I I took away more

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from the report from Cham's that Jannis and the team

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are disagreeing over whether he should be shut down or not.

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even if he was healthy, it would make sense to

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shut him down. However, as the Bucks, I think that's

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the right call As the Bucks. You can't be surprised

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that Giannis doesn't want to shut it down for two reasons. One,

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there's tales of how they would have to lock him

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out of the gym to get rest just floating around

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out there, and two like this is also part of

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it's part of the politicking of we try to make

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it work. I really wanted to play for them through

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the entire season. And this is so I don't understand

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how something a scenario such as this was not discussed

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prior to the deadline when they decided to keep him.

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moved him mid season. They're just and finally, their stuff

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is clearly not copathetic, because not all of this should

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be leaking out, the actual disagreement about the over whether

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he wants to be shut down, Who is that that

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information getting out there? Who is that helping nobody? And

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so it seems like there's just a lot of discord

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being so and behind the scenes, not to the point

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where there is this inbuilt animosity that can't be reversed,

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but it contributes to the what are we even doing here,

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guys feeling of it all?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Does it doesn't?

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Speaker 3: This report from Shelbourne kind of it makes it easier

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to understand how Milwaukee has mismanaged the situation to the

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degree it has, because it's pretty clear that this is

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the quote that I put in the dock that like

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leapt out of me when I read it, was they're

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not this is another executive. So that's the other thing

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is a lot of the sourcing in the in the

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is other executives around the league giving their opinion on

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the situation in Milwaukee. And one of those was they're

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not even close to being ready to make a decision

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like that, referring to the Yannis situation. It's like, how

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is it possible that they're not, like they should know,

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they should have of like a whole decision tree, like

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this then that then that? Like right, it should be

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so easy because there's only so many potential outcomes here,

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right he signs the critical one? Does he sign the

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max extension or not? And so if yes, I mean

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other series of decisions to make. If no, obviously you

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trade him now. The article does seem to suggest that,

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like if he doesn't sign it, the we must trade him, drum.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't suggest it.

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Speaker 2: One of them someone says it.

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Speaker 1: Eden's right, was the or was it has one of

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them's told ESPN that no, like this he signs the extension,

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he gets traded. We can't afford to let this ride

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out and there.

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Speaker 3: No shit, there's no ship like of course, thanks, this

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Speaker 2: But sorry, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: But I wasn't there even a disconnect with like you said,

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the sources are coming from other organizations, but there's a

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disconnect between that line of thinking and everyone else believing

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they haven't even come close to like deciding or mapping

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out how this looks. I do think there has to

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it behooves you to put something like that out there,

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and I was we were both. I think it's a

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port of if you're the Bucks, based on the offers

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that we know were out there, the most intriguing of

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which the deadline was what if the Rockets, the Spurs,

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in the summer with probably an additional first round pick

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at the end of the ESPN story, and this is

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the thing that I'm struggling with, is that the Bucks

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are going to try and do things that get Yannis

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to stay. Yeah, And what they mentioned specifically was could

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they get other distressed? Distressed was the word of what

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we're It wasn't like disgruntled or get him in a one.

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It made it seem like could they get a jam Moran.

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that's not that's not it, And so i'm I'm increasingly

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it's not just this report, it's it's just all these

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seemingly little or avoidable occurrences. The cumulative effect of them

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all has me believing there's no way he's going to

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be back in a walking next season. And the timing

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of the extension eligibility does make it a little weird

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because he technically can't sign it intol October first, But

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if you're the Bucks, you need to push for a

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definitive answer well before and if he won't even I'm

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not even saying if he doesn't say no, if he

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equivocates it, then you do have to move on. And

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I'm not saying Yiannis is wrong for equivocating or whatever,

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but this is, this is what happened with Damian Lillard

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and the Blazers on steroids.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: And like what I took from from this from Ramona's

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Speaker 2: And and so.

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Speaker 3: If if you, if you're the Bucks, you need to

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Speaker 1: Wants years before you get another one, like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're never getting another guy like this.

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Speaker 3: All that, I think I just getting some distance from

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the trade deadline part of it, and even last offseason,

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it's just so abundantly clear that this should have ended

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a long time ago, like this probably should have ended

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like before the Dame trade. Even you could make the

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case now that would have been that would have been

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the classic, like getting out early is better than getting

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out late, because that would have felt a little early

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had they been be honest then.

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Speaker 1: Because we both I liked the Dame trade, did you

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at the time, I can't remember.

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Speaker 3: I recognize like if in theory he gives you the

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solve to your late game offense, stuff that gets too predictable,

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and you're giving it back on the other end, Like

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I guess I was open to it, but now it's

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just you can't, for example, make a bunch of moves

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to keep you honest happy and hope that that's what

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gets him to sign the extension, because then he still

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might not and even if he does, this team's not

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going anywhere.

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Speaker 2: I don't care.

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Speaker 3: What just just distressed assets, like Cam Thomas, how's that going?

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Like that we're gonna we're gonna keep going to that well,

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So I just think I think you need to just

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move him. I don't even think, like, yeah, I guess

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you offer him the extension, but I'm but even that

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is now just like can't we just can't we just

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call it? I don't I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're the bucks. You wouldn't want to extend him.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know, man, I guess my mind. I'm

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just fixated on this has to end. Here's the other

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I wanted to ask you, so you know how. The

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example that jumps to mind first in situations sort of

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like this but lower stakes, is the way that we

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used to rip on the Raptors for not trading Anonobi

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and Siakam as soon as they could have. Even a

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lesser version is the bulls with like Kobe White and

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Vouch and Dasunmu. We harped on them for just move

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them now because their value goes down.

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Speaker 2: Is the yannest situation.

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Speaker 3: There's other factors that complicate it, like his how meaningful

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he is to the city, the fact that he won

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a championship, the fact that like maybe he.

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Speaker 2: Wants to be there, but also maybe it's not as

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cut and dried.

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Speaker 3: But does some of the same logic or should some

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of that same logic apply in our criticisms of the

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bucks where it's just you're waiting too long, forget forget

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all the other stuff, it's it's you've got this asset

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that is approaching free agency in any In most other situations,

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we would be all over them for not moving him

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at this past deadline. I wonder if some of that

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logic just should start applying more cleanly.

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Speaker 1: I think it could. What I keep coming back to though,

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is Jannis is still can be a one man contender

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onto himself basically, And.

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Speaker 2: Do you think so? I wonder about.

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Speaker 1: Are you you don't think Giannics could be the best

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player on a title contender right now?

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Speaker 2: I think he could.

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Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think the I think the

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question that ends there. It's not because you wouldn't say

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I think o Jan Andobi could do, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean? But things have to be for

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him versus like there's a lot of other players that

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people would categorize as like lesser players that I think

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it would be much easier to build a championship contender around.

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Because I take your point.

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Speaker 1: And so I think just him being that megastar that Adanobi,

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the levels they've never reached.

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Speaker 2: It.

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Speaker 1: I understand the attempts to do everything within their power

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to keep him and try and wedge this window open.

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And it's look, even the wave and stretch of Dame

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my Nalysis was this is reckless. I don't think it's

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gonna end well, but I kind of respect it, and

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that's where I'm at with what they've tried. People can

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criticize how poorly they've done in the draft. It's easy

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to criticize the Dame trade now even easier a lot

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more people to be clear of criticizing what they did

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with Miles Turner. Then, at the same time, they have

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exhausted everything possible each time getting Giannis on board, even

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when he hasn't. This past summer was that inflection point

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of he's not gonna sign an extension. Now that's not

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what they're doing, but you want there was the report

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about him being interested in the next They were able

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to convince him on coming back for this year. I

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respect that, but I think now now that we're back

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at this next extension eligibility, this is where that criticism

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should should start to kick in. And I do believe

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probably this past summer was the first real summer that

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the critiques that you're talking about. That's maybe that I

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believe though, that's when this could be applied that type

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of logic. But ye, before then, why wouldn't you try

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to go like get the Damien Lower trade. If I

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got Yanna is happy and on paper it it was

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Middleton was not really the wheels hadn't fallen off just yet.

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We weren't at We need to rake Chris Middleton for

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Kyle Kuzma Defcon one levels.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And the final question I want to ask you on

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this is where are you? And I know this is

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a lot of third party stuff, but when you hear

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Jannis saying things such as I can't control what my

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agents say, or in the Ramona Shellbourne piece there was

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the quote, the source quote not from you honest himself,

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that he told Drew Holliday they really missed his defense

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ef you left, But the reason you moved, Drew Holiday

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is because Jannis is applying pressure on the Bucks to

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do X, which is well within his rights. Is there

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a level of duality here that Jannis deserves criticism for?

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Call duality called ambiguity? Or no? Do you not assign

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because I'm honestly asking, because I don't know. I tend

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to place most of the blame like Yannis. This is

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his careers, You'll be able to do what he wants.

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But there does seem to be an interesting duality with

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There's been so many reports, as Shelburne pointing out multiple times.

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He's apparently informed the Bucks that he believes it's time

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to part ways. That's not what, however, you feel about

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the national media or Shan Sharania. That's not being put

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out there multiple times without there being some real smoke.

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And by the way, Sham's is not the only one

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who's put it out there. Stein, Jake Fisher have all

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had that stuff in the ether as well.

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Speaker 3: I think, so it's a little complicated. I do think

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if the situation is Jannis, it's like the reduced, simplified

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version is Jannis wants to leave and has wanted to

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for a long time, but he will not. He doesn't

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want to be the bad guy in the situation that

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demands a trade. Like if that's really what this is,

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then he absolutely deserves a huge share of the blame,

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because suck it up, man, just do it if you

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if you you don't get to say winning, you know,

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you don't get to say winning is the most important

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thing to you and then behave this way because if

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that were true, you would recognize that you aren't You

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are not as likely to win here, and you've already

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just if you're saying you want to leave, you've decided

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that you're not going to win here and you want

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to go somewhere where you can.

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Speaker 2: But if you're not willing.

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Speaker 3: To publicly say that and just get the wheels moving,

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which he could. The second he says I want to

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be traded, this thing ratchets into like fifth gear, and

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it's and he's gone pretty soon, right like, or at

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least sooner than we wouldn't be in the situation. So

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he's culpable if that's the case. Where this gets complicated

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is I I won't speak in the collective we but

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I definitely get caught up in in thinking about stuff

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like this out of remove and saying like if I

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were in this situation, well, there's a lot of reasons

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I'm not in this situation that Jannie is in, and

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one of them is because I don't have irrational self confidence.

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Speaker 2: And for him, he.

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Speaker 1: Must contract with hardwood knocks also extend through I think

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twenty fifty, so you're just.

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Speaker 2: Lot on some level.

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Speaker 3: For him, he can look at a shit roster and

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maybe talk himself into, you know what, we have a

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shot because I'm here and I'm great and thinking that

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has gotten me this far. Why would I change up

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at this point, right. I think we've talked about some

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version of this before. But I do think so much

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of what has made him successful is in his way

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now in terms of his makeup, where it's just all

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things are possible because I made it from nothing to this,

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I won us a championship. So yeah, I can look

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at a terrible setup and believe that somethings that winning

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is possible here. I think that is partly to blame

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for the stalemate situation. That said, yes, don't you think

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he deserves some blame here? For if it is true

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that he believes it's time to break and he's not

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initiating the breakup, then he is he is worthy of blame.

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Speaker 1: I would agree with you. But if he's also informed

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the Bucks that, how would he have to present it

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to the Bucks? He has to make so he has

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to him saying I think it's time we go our

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separate ways doesn't count.

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Speaker 2: He No, he could do it publicly. He could do

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the standard where it gets leaked. He just leaks it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't want to get fined.

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Speaker 2: Okay, maybe I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: If he was actively not requesting the Bucks were coming

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to him and they were checking in and he's like, no,

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I'm good, but then putting this stuff out that we're

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seeing now the reporting has been consistently, he's informed the

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Bucks this, So what more did you want him to

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go and throw a tantrum or something.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's I'm saying there's blame to go

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around here.

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Speaker 2: I'm I.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I think he's he deserves some blame,

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and depending on how strongly he's indicated, like it shouldn't

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take like I don't know. It feels like there needs

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to be an official trade demand or something, and that's

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what we'll get the Bucks to move. And that's stupid

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by them like that, He's done everything, but and so

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like the Bucks should have pulled the trigger a long

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time ago. So they're both worthy of blame. I think

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there's a tendency sometimes we've kind of brushed up against

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this to absolve the honest of all of this. But

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I don't think that's reasonable anymore, if it ever was.

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I think they're both they're both fucking this up, and

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it's dragged on for too long. And the solution is

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pretty simple. If uncomfortable, you just trade him at your

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next opportunity, which is I guess probably Draft night would

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be the move.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we're going to look back, because I

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think part of what could inoculate the Bucks against criticism

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is if we look back on the trade and say, Okay,

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that was a good haul under the circumstances. Do you

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think it's more likely that's what we're saying, or do

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you think it's more likely we get reverse sticker shock?

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Oh that's all he got all to get? Yannis?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean the fact that it's gone this long

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and you have the the same concerns that always crop

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up in this situation, which is to say, he's got

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one year left on his deal, so he's just the

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offers will be worse than if he had three, right.

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I think I still got to believe it's going to

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be a haul. I I do think that while we've

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gone back and forth on the idea of like, maybe

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there's a better offer over the summer than was available

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at the deadline, it's also possible that the offers are worse,

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isn't it. You know, presumably it teams are going to

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have more picks and stuff to trade, but it's not

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It's not a given.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know which way I lean on that.

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I guess what I'm certain.

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Speaker 3: Of is the offers are worse, will be worse now,

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and we're worse at this most recent trade deadline than

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they would have been a full year ago.

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Speaker 2: I think you would have gotten more then.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and that's probably that's probably the first time

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to me that you, as the Bucks, you really should

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have sat down and thought about initiating it yourself, because

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that's it's really tough to initiate it when you're dealing

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00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,960
with a top five play. We saw Okac wrote it

478
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,079
out with Kevin Durant and none of it he was

479
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,680
younger at the time, but they wrote out with Kevin Rant.

480
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,279
We didn't really criticize them for doing that.

481
00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. Yeah, I'd be interesting.

482
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,599
Speaker 3: I would like to go back in time, uh, with

483
00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:26,480
the almost decade of experience we've got now, and wonder

484
00:23:26,519 --> 00:23:28,640
what I would have thought about all that then. I well,

485
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,400
I was just like, the Warriors are going to get him.

486
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:31,960
That's all I care about. I don't care about any

487
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:32,759
of the other angles.

488
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're your bias is quite literally showing.

489
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: It's quite I mean, if at this point, what are

490
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,960
we trying. Are we going to try to hide this?

491
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: Uh?

492
00:23:43,079 --> 00:23:43,279
Speaker 2: No?

493
00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:46,279
Speaker 3: I so I think the Bucks Andiannis are a lost cause.

494
00:23:46,319 --> 00:23:48,680
I guess just to officially log an answer to that,

495
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:49,240
I didn't.

496
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 1: Think we're gonna spend twenty minutes on that.

497
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,079
Speaker 2: Well.

498
00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: Uh this this next question comes from fuck you injuries.

499
00:23:56,519 --> 00:24:00,880
Can the Pistons survive without Kate Cunningham who has collapsed lung?

500
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:04,119
Which I'm sorry, that's one of the injuries where when

501
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,279
you listen to it or read the breakdowns and there's

502
00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:08,559
the average of, oh, they come back in whatever days,

503
00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:11,599
it's eleven games missed on average or twelve, But collapse

504
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,079
lung just sounds awful, show serious, And I'm not saying

505
00:24:16,279 --> 00:24:19,480
they overplayed it. I just the thought of when I

506
00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:23,359
saw collapse sung, my immediate thought was, well, the Pistons

507
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,440
season is over because Kay's not going to play again

508
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,279
this year. But then you go back and you see,

509
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:29,640
well Terrence Man only missed such Cgi McCollum came back

510
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:30,279
from this twice.

511
00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: To collapse lung sounds bad. Collapse just anything that collapses

512
00:24:35,319 --> 00:24:36,960
in your body. That's really what it is.

513
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 3: You could have like a what if you had a

514
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,640
collapsed Uh femur.

515
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:46,759
Speaker 2: That sounds bad collapse, Like, I don't know, kidney bad, collapse.

516
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,839
Speaker 1: Collapse, frontal lobe seems like that might be pretty bad.

517
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,039
Speaker 3: All of its team's not great, So this is I mean,

518
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,400
the angle we've harped on with the Pistons all season

519
00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:59,240
is like Kate has to do too much. They're vulnerable

520
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:03,200
if they are because there's one guy that creates shots

521
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,440
for the offense, and now that.

522
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: Guy's not going to be there. Can they survive without him? Yeah?

523
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 3: If that means, you know, playing five hundred for the

524
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,000
rest of the regular season, it rules them out of

525
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,519
winning a playoff series probably, I don't know, if it's

526
00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:20,680
a one versus whoever comes out of the play in

527
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,039
maybe they get that, Like.

528
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, I have to look at the match

529
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:29,960
if they end up facing without Caid, the Hornets or

530
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,599
the hot Like, no, they're not beating those teams without Caid.

531
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 3: I think that's probably right, I would say, though. So

532
00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:41,200
they've got their most frequently used non Caid lineup, which

533
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,839
basically just have has Dennis Jenkins in his spot alongside Thompson,

534
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,640
Robinson Harris and Jalen Duran. It's like a plus thirty

535
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,160
per hundred, and the offense is good, the defense is great.

536
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,039
It's one hundred and thirty eight possessions, so all the

537
00:25:56,079 --> 00:26:01,079
grains of salt. But there's some proof of concept, I guess.

538
00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 2: And we like Djinking.

539
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 3: I like Jenkins, but I like him as a as

540
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,400
a third guard, not like your primary initiator.

541
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: If he could put together like three or four consecutive

542
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,680
games of Okay, this guy is something I sort of.

543
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: Did earlier in the year, right he had that that

544
00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:20,599
his introductory run really was was him playing.

545
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: It shifts the entire like burden. When you're not going

546
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,039
you have to just go up against every team's best

547
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,079
units because kid's not all as sudden there, and I've

548
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,799
I've started to one. They did beat the Wizard. I

549
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:38,519
watched uh the first three quarters of Wizard's pistons, and

550
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,440
I thought we were gonna see more of. There was

551
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,519
a ton of paint touches for Jalen Duran. There was

552
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:47,519
way too many post ups for Tobias Harris. I don't

553
00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:49,440
think that's gonna be the solve I really wanted to

554
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,240
see more of. And they had gotten into this before

555
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,559
his because the Star Thompson's even just coming back from

556
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,200
sprain to ankle injury, but he had been handling the

557
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,160
ball more and I want to see him in more

558
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:04,319
of those traditional situations, like he's gonna force turnovers, create chaos, playmaking, transition,

559
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:06,480
or we see a lot of the stuff where it's

560
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:09,519
Jalen Duran will set a screen for Duncan Robinson, Duncan

561
00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:12,160
Robinson passes to a cutting a Sar Thompson who then

562
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,039
finds Duran or plays like those. I want to see

563
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:17,880
if they could can you do more handoff stuff, specifically

564
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,160
with Asar Thompson, What can you do more of that

565
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,640
in the half courts around him with as much shooting

566
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,880
around him and Durhaan as humanly possible, and see what

567
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,880
that looks like. He is a really and I don't

568
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,960
know that I brought this across mort and I just

569
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,440
did extensions, rookie extensions. We're most fascinated by this summer

570
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:35,319
broken down by the East and West. I don't think

571
00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:37,200
I gave a Sar enough credit for like, he is

572
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,319
a really smart and just really good passer and maybe

573
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,000
this is a chance for him to tap into that.

574
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,480
But then I'm also sometimes wondering, well, how much of

575
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,680
that was predicated on sometimes like Kate is in transition

576
00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:51,160
off the ball, or like deep ceiling when they're in transition,

577
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:56,640
and that's opening stuff up for everyone. I'm I'm pessimistic

578
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,720
on what the piss Jalen Duran has been. He's like

579
00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:01,400
in the ninety second percent high self created shot making,

580
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,559
but this is also the second lowest share of his

581
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,680
career of his attempts at the rim that are going

582
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,240
on assisted. There's a level of dependence. Jalder can do

583
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:11,319
a lot with the ball, so I'm fascinated to see

584
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:13,960
more of that. But everyone on this team is so

585
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:17,599
dependent on not just Kaig Cunningham getting them the ball,

586
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:21,920
but Kay Cunningham taking and making some ridiculously tough shots

587
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,440
to kind of keep the offense humming. I don't if

588
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,960
he comes back, they'll be fine because Kate Cunningham is

589
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,160
that good. This team is. This team is good and

590
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,640
what they could do when isay Or Stewart's healthy Defensively,

591
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,000
I think in the intern while he's out forever long

592
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:39,440
he's out the player, I know everyone's gonna look at

593
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,839
Jalen Duran. I'm gonna be most interested in what Asar

594
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,640
Thompson looks like because there might be more playmaking meat

595
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,559
on the bone there with.

596
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: Him, and you know what, if there is, then it

597
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,119
should it should probably change how the Pistons play because

598
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,400
I think, you know, it's very hard to justify taking

599
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,480
the ball out of Cunningham's hands, but I just don't.

600
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:01,200
I just don't think it's a sustainable way to win

601
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,359
a bunch of playoff series to have him in such

602
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,519
a ball dominant role.

603
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: If you have somebody else that maybe.

604
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:09,559
Speaker 3: Can do some of that, yeah, I guess really, I

605
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,400
found myself trying to come up with reasons why they'll

606
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,839
be okay at least at least for the regular season

607
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,839
and the playoffs is a different thing. But I don't think

608
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,079
I feel like that's sort of like there's some cognitive

609
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:23,480
dissonance there because all season the knock has just been

610
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:25,359
he has to do too much, and when you lose

611
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,920
that guy, you can't. You have to bend pretty far

612
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,759
over backwards to say that it's.

613
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: Gonna be okay. It just doesn't seem realistic.

614
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: It's and even it's what if he comes back. I

615
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:36,480
know he's not missing a ton of time, but what

616
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:39,359
is recovery from a collapse? You know, when you're talking

617
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:41,880
about C. G. McCollum, I guess would be the best

618
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,160
analog because someone who does kind of play on the

619
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,319
ball but has never been the number one option for

620
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,680
a because who's if you look at the teams and

621
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,200
how many teams are more their their stock on being

622
00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:59,160
a real team a contender, are predicated on one player

623
00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,960
more than the Piston.

624
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Not.

625
00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: I mean you can't even really say maybe, yeah, right

626
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,839
if you take this guy away, yeaheah, I mean that's

627
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,440
the only one. I mean, Jokic would be another one.

628
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:14,839
But yeah, it's it's it's up there, it's it's it's.

629
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: Even Jamal Murray the way he's playing this season, right,

630
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,160
Like Jamal Murray to Aaron Gordon would be the Durn's

631
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,160
been really good this year. But you're feeling better about

632
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,720
Jamal Murray and Kay's absence than you are during Yeah, yeah, definitely,

633
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:28,839
Uh I did. This does confirm though, we gotta get

634
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,720
rid of the sixty five game role. I saw a

635
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,519
lot of this bugs me when it's but it shouldn't,

636
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:35,400
and that's why I don't dunk on it anymore when

637
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,599
I see it. Of the well, like if you look

638
00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:39,920
at the last MVPs, like they've all played in the

639
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,440
equivalent of sixty five games or more. And it's I'm

640
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,960
not talking about MVP if it's if someone plays in

641
00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:48,599
sixty three games and voters vote them to win MVP,

642
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:51,200
give them the license to do that. That's why if

643
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,799
you don't trust the voters, don't have them be voters.

644
00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:57,359
I'm more so talking about all NBA specifically, we're gonna

645
00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:00,880
get some weird ass teams this year. Potentially there's the

646
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,960
Anthony Edwards has played fifty eight games and he's gonna

647
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,640
be out for another week week and a half. Will

648
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,920
he get to sixty five CAD even falls one. I

649
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,200
think he's one or two games short of the If

650
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,279
this were a season ending injury, he could have played

651
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:15,599
in sixty two or something. He's at sixty one and

652
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,400
I think one of his games was under twenty minutes,

653
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,680
so it wouldn't have held. Look at everyone else who's

654
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,240
automatically like Kawhi Leonard or not automatically, but Kawhi Leonard

655
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:25,759
I think only has two games left. Evan Mobley only

656
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:28,400
two games left that he can miss, Wemby two games left,

657
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:32,000
Jokic one game left, and then think about everyone else who,

658
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,599
by virtue of these major injuries like Tyree's Haliburton, Jason

659
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,680
Tatum aren't eligible or people who are just flat out ineligible.

660
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,240
Steph Curry's not going to be on this. It's like,

661
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:46,279
what are we doing here, folks, And at least give

662
00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:48,759
the freedom. I know this is a Zach loshpiel if

663
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:52,200
you're not gonna give it across all NBA, like make

664
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,920
it Zach Close's third team, make it second and third team.

665
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,000
If you need the first team to have some arbitradent

666
00:31:58,079 --> 00:31:59,119
like these guys played.

667
00:31:59,559 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: Sure.

668
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think it's not always the most persuasive

669
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:07,519
angle to me in this type of argument, and this

670
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:11,680
argument specifically the idea of like, on some level, you

671
00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:14,079
want the awards to sort of tell the story of

672
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,839
the season. You know, you want to be able to

673
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,279
look back and see who won MVP, who was All

674
00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:20,519
NBA First Team, who won Defensive Player of the Year,

675
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:23,000
And in a lot of years you'd look back at

676
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,240
this one and say, if it's let's say the worst

677
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:29,119
happens and like Wemby misses enough games, and Jokic and

678
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:32,680
kid Now and like all these other guys, so your

679
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,119
all NBA First Team is just it's insane.

680
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,519
Speaker 2: It's like it doesn't.

681
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,039
Speaker 3: Have four of the five best players, and MVP is

682
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:42,799
who the fuck knows right to say, Shay missus g

683
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:46,240
he's further from the cutoff. But like it would create

684
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,279
a situation where the awards are just like so completely

685
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:55,440
non representative of what happened this season. If Wembin Yama

686
00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:59,559
theoretically doesn't have an award at all for anything this season,

687
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,759
it's like, what the what else have you been talking

688
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:05,559
about all year other than he's just how Grady is

689
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:09,000
like okay, So then the answer is like, well, just

690
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:11,160
go look at the numbers and do some do your

691
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,359
research and all this other stuff. You'll realize that this

692
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,079
is the year Wemby popped and that's why the Spurs

693
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:18,880
wears good. But like, I would like the awards to

694
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,440
at least have some relationship to what happened all season

695
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:25,839
and tell the story of the season, and we're getting

696
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,799
much closer to it's gonna be misleading. You're gonna like

697
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:32,200
you're gonna think like, oh, I guess Wemby was overrated,

698
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:34,759
or like you know, it's just it's it's gonna create

699
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:38,160
a situation where it's just it's it's stupid, it doesn't

700
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:38,880
make any sense.

701
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,279
Speaker 1: All I will say is for people who are all

702
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:45,000
aboard the game's played train is that Tom Haverstrow has

703
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:47,880
been doing this thing recently where he posts what his

704
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,880
All NBA team would be for players who have already

705
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,480
appeared in sixty five games since rout the seventy game

706
00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:58,359
mark that list grant first team beginning with first team

707
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,359
is rough. I think that I think he is making that.

708
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,599
I don't know if that's his intent. I don't put

709
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,559
he is making the most persuasive case of this rule

710
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:10,800
needs to be thrown in the junk and never spoken

711
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:11,480
of again.

712
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:14,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I just yeah. I've said it a million times.

713
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,559
I think voters can make a decision between a player

714
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:21,199
that played sixty seven games at level X and a

715
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,400
player that played just to really make it extreme sixty

716
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:27,360
at level why even fifty five? I don't know, like

717
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,159
you know wherever, whatever makes does it for you voters?

718
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,199
Speaker 1: You know who stands to benefit from this kid injury?

719
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:34,920
Though a little bit is it makes it more likely

720
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,039
jee and Duran makes an All NBA team and then

721
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,920
if he becomes eligible for the thirty percent match you

722
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,280
don't get if you give it to him as the Pistons,

723
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,480
and we're gonna have some conversations. But it does give

724
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:50,480
you the anecdotal play of going into negotiations. All right,

725
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,440
but I'll take the twenty five percent.

726
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 3: Match right right, right right, which probably he shouldn't get that,

727
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,719
but it'll be it'll feel like a steal because he

728
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,960
could have gotten more. Yeah, it just I don't know

729
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:04,719
unintended consequences. Man, This was is just an ill conceived

730
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,840
rule that continues to I don't know who's happy with this.

731
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:10,199
Who thinks this is good?

732
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: I haven't.

733
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,599
Speaker 3: I haven't seen anybody like, great, we're getting the correct

734
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:15,360
results because of the sixty five game rule.

735
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: I have not seen that argument.

736
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess when you're talking about MVP,

737
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:23,800
But like people have said, if if the games played

738
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,760
have never been an issue for the MVP, then why

739
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:26,800
do you need the threshold?

740
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 2: Right?

741
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 3: It's because of TV money and they needed it for

742
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,199
the last TV deal and that's why they have the rule.

743
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: That's that's what Speaking of money, grant, I talked about

744
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,000
this with moret But I like asking you questions about stuff.

745
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:41,119
I respect your opinion. At least forty seven percent of

746
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:43,559
the time. So, oh, it's how do you feel? How

747
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:45,239
do you feel about that? How do you feel about

748
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,400
the news of the NBA is likely going to expand

749
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,079
for the twenty twenty eight twenty twenty nine season into

750
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,519
presumably Seattle. And do you have any stray thoughts on

751
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:56,440
the on the matter you wanted to get off your chest.

752
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely good for Seattle Vegas. I could take or leave.

753
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,639
It's just a weird place to have a sports team.

754
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: It always keep going.

755
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: The Raiders and who's in the process of relocating there

756
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,280
now already for yes.

757
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, or the Athletics now I don't think

758
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:13,199
they go by the a's anymore.

759
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that I I don't have a lot of thoughts

760
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:17,079
on it.

761
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess other than I'm happy that Seattle

762
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,639
is going to get a team, because it's never good

763
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:23,519
when a team gets ripped away. But that one really

764
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:29,119
got ripped away, so that's a positive. The most compelling

765
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,800
argument that I heard was the you know, it's reductive,

766
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,920
but this is a decision that is not geared towards

767
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,199
improving the product of NBA basketball as like a an

768
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,239
entertainment product, or like a it's not for the consumer

769
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,840
so much. It's for money and it's going to dilute

770
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,159
talent and all that other stuff. So like that, it's like, yeah, no,

771
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,599
that's right. There will be two more bad teams, there'll

772
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:57,440
be more bad basketball. The average talent level on each

773
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,280
team will drop. That's not great when you have a

774
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,760
third of the league that's not trying right now, maybe more,

775
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:07,800
that seems bad, But you know, it's you got to

776
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,119
follow the money, and this is it makes the league

777
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:13,119
bigger and more profitable, and you get some TV markets

778
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,039
in there, and that's that's the reasoning for it. I

779
00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:17,480
don't so if you're trying to make the product better,

780
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:19,679
this isn't what you do. I don't think, even through

781
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,159
a long lens. So that that bothers me a little bit.

782
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:24,840
But this was this is the type of thing that

783
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,760
like I had already been convinced that this was going

784
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,400
to happen, So like, this latest announcement is not I'm

785
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,719
not considering things anew. This has been like a five

786
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,719
year thing where we assume this is going to happen.

787
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,079
Speaker 1: I agree that it's not for the product, but I

788
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:40,400
do think I tend to disagree with people who think

789
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,960
they're saying there's not enough talent to support it, because

790
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,000
there's a difference between how many key superstars are there

791
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:48,280
right now versus are we talking about B and C

792
00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:52,760
level the stars or like fringe stars or whatever. I

793
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,280
recognize that, but I feel the importance, at least during

794
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,679
this like the era that we're leaning that we're into now,

795
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,079
the importance of having depth or a lack of weaknesses

796
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,400
has never been more prevalent, and so I do think

797
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,039
the NBA can handle expansion long term. That being said,

798
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:11,239
you're absolutely right that I don't think that's the driving force.

799
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,480
Whether it makes the league better, I think it could

800
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:15,960
increase parody. But the two things and I did talk

801
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,679
about this with more, is you need to figure out

802
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,239
more tanking prohibitions that I don't know what the answers

803
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,559
are gonna end up being, but you need to figure

804
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:27,800
that out. You also, because the league is gonna get

805
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,440
worse then when you're diluting talent, and in previous teams

806
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,920
coming in the league, they couldn't get these top picks

807
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,840
for the first two years they were there. And the

808
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,599
other thing now, I don't know if the new owners

809
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:41,679
actually are in favor of this because it limits what

810
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:44,039
they need to spend after just dropping what is it

811
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:47,199
between seven and ten billion dollars this time on expansion

812
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,800
fees the whole they only have sixty five percent of

813
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,079
the salary cap is a no. But if you want

814
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:56,679
to actually encourage parody or these teams not sucking for

815
00:38:56,679 --> 00:39:00,000
the first, however many seasons of their existence, I would

816
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:01,480
think that they should just I think they should have

817
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:04,679
the full salary cap at their disposal and then require

818
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,679
them in the expansion draft to draft X amount of

819
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:10,280
money so they're just not going into free agency with yeah, well,

820
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,519
just we have one hundred million dollars in taskpace and we're.

821
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: Gonna get Yeah. Yeah, you don't want that.

822
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 3: You don't want that, like balloon number out there that feels.

823
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's rich coming from a Warriors fan.

824
00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 3: Just you know, the circle of twenty sixteen. What a time,

825
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:26,639
What a time, Dan, Everything was possible?

826
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got living proof.

827
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 2: That's funny. That's the very first name that entered my

828
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,639
head when I said twenty sixteen.

829
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: No, you know who's the first name. It's a first

830
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,519
name this time because Morret brought him up. But do

831
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:38,320
you know who's the first name that pops into my head?

832
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,079
And I don't know why.

833
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: I want to guess, uh Nick Batom.

834
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: No I was in the I thought that deal was

835
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,840
a steal. I thought the Blazers were so foolish that.

836
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,079
Speaker 3: They got a bunch of money. Mozgov is number one

837
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:51,840
for me. Who comes to your don mahe and me?

838
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: That was, Oh my god, what did he get?

839
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: It was the Timothy Mosgov deal.

840
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,079
Speaker 2: He did not get that big of adea.

841
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:01,519
Speaker 1: It was the war for six Oh, wasn't that what

842
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:02,239
ma got?

843
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:05,599
Speaker 3: That is what Moscov got. I did not realize Mahimi

844
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,199
got that much. That's insane, man, What a great time.

845
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: What's time to be alive? Do you want to pick

846
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:15,440
our first question that will tackle? And it's not how

847
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:17,599
much did Yon Mahimi make? And I think he actually

848
00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:19,840
might have even been in twenty seventeen free agency. I'm

849
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,840
gonna go look at up now.

850
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: I think it should be okay, there, I had a

851
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:27,119
couple from when we were very first.

852
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:29,159
Speaker 2: What is that?

853
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:33,079
Speaker 1: What is the yeah? So all right he got yeah,

854
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:35,039
I'm gonna I'm gonna follow this through now, right? He

855
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:36,119
got four and sixty four?

856
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:37,039
Speaker 2: Crazy?

857
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:39,079
Speaker 1: He signed it in twenty sixteen. That is so I

858
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:40,000
was right, that's the I.

859
00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:42,679
Speaker 3: Wonder if he was. Do you have his basketball reference

860
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,440
up right now? Is that what you're looking at? No,

861
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,320
that's probably spot track. Uh. I'm curious if he outproduced

862
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,320
Mosgov over the life of that deal. I doubt it

863
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,920
because Mosgov was okay, wasn't he after the fact?

864
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: Uh?

865
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:55,639
Speaker 1: Yon mihi me?

866
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: I mean?

867
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,639
Speaker 1: So those were his last four seasons in the NBA

868
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,559
out Yeah, he and he never he only had one

869
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,280
season where he appeared because he was pretty banged up.

870
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:10,440
But there was only one season where he appeared in

871
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:12,360
more than thirty eight games.

872
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,559
Speaker 3: Gotcha, man, all right, you've given me enough time to

873
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:19,000
pick the question I want to pick. This is uh,

874
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:22,840
this from Maddy l and he asks, what is your

875
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,719
greatest what if scenario in NBA history?

876
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 2: Now, I will concede that NBA history.

877
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 3: Is probably riddled with like a billion really crazy what

878
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:40,039
ifs in the early days that probably affected weather basketball

879
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,679
as we know it, like ever would continue to exist.

880
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,039
Like there's definitely those kinds of things, you know, gambling

881
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:50,599
scandals and all that stuff, the ABA, NBA merger stuff,

882
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:54,920
all kinds of like I mean, what if the Celtics

883
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,039
weren't the team that like started playing African American players,

884
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:00,840
like you know, all this all this other stuff. I'm

885
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,760
going a little more contemporary. The one that immediately jumped

886
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,679
to me is what if Michael Jordan does not take

887
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,480
two years off in the in between winning three titles

888
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,760
in a row twice, because the one of the chief

889
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,800
goat arguments for him is that never lost in the finals.

890
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,280
You know, are are we then going to so two

891
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,679
possible outcomes if he doesn't take the baseball break. One,

892
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,800
the Bulls win eight straight championships and we probably don't

893
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,280
have anything approaching the debate between him and Lebron that

894
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,800
we have right now. The other one is he loses

895
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,840
in the finals once or twice, or doesn't make the

896
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,639
finals or something, or gets has.

897
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: A major break up sooner, Yeah, they.

898
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,159
Speaker 3: Break up sooner, or it's just he's got this two

899
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,719
year window where no, you weren't indisputably the guy that

900
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,760
just could not be beaten. So I think like either

901
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:58,000
way that that what if, to me fundamentally changes forty

902
00:42:58,079 --> 00:42:59,719
years of basketball discourse.

903
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: Probably.

904
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like that one to me was was the very

905
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,119
I have some smaller ones but I'm curious where your

906
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:06,519
head went.

907
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: So I thought I have another one, but I thought

908
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,559
you were gonna go here. This is my actual biggest

909
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:14,400
what if And maybe this is too contemporary because that's

910
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,639
more contemporary than yours. What if the Warriors had traded

911
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:18,800
Steph Curry to the Bucks.

912
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: That's on my list. That's that's one of my other

913
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:21,639
two that i've.

914
00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah because that's the most recent dynasty and that the

915
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,000
like the Warriors aren't happening without Steph. And then it's

916
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:31,960
does Steph become Steph if he's on another team, and

917
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:34,360
does that team go on to have a dynasty? Does

918
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,119
he leave that team? I think about that trade at

919
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,119
least half a dozen times a year, the trade that

920
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:44,119
didn't happen, because it's there's all these inflection points and

921
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:46,239
little moments that it's the decisions that you don't or

922
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,440
the moves you don't make that could determine everything, even

923
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,519
the Warriors not trading Klay Thompson for Kevin Love, which

924
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,480
I was probably in I don't remember my stance on.

925
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:55,159
I was probably in favor of at the.

926
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:58,599
Speaker 3: Time I was was the Warriors alone?

927
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: What if David Lee never gets You're paving a way

928
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:01,599
for Draymond Green.

929
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: Well, here's the rotation, I mean, just to go with

930
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,000
the trade that you talked about. So it was it

931
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:08,719
was Monte Ellis or it was Steph, and it's there's

932
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,239
been different reports all along, but it does seem like

933
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,159
the divided Warriors decision makers like it was a majority,

934
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:19,840
but it was not unanimous decided we got to keep Steph.

935
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,760
There were definitely voices that said step should be the

936
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,159
one to trade for Andrew Bogett, by the way, who

937
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,679
was exactly the right type of player at the time

938
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,280
for a team that needed a defensive centerpiece and a

939
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,800
defensive identity, who was basically obsolete in the Warriors' best

940
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,480
lineups in like two years because Draymond Green at center

941
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:42,199
became the thing that made the Warriors what they were.

942
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,480
So it's like they dodged the bullet by picking the

943
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:48,280
right guy to trade for the guy that was the

944
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,320
right piece at the time, and yet that guy still

945
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,239
became something that like, well, this isn't part of our

946
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,119
best lineup anyway. Injuries were a factor, but like the

947
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:01,400
trickle down of that deal is wild because are the

948
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,119
Bucks is Giannis on the Bucks if Steph is there,

949
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,239
and yeah, that changes where they are in the draft.

950
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,360
Maybe Gianness was far enough down in the first round

951
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,519
that maybe they still get them.

952
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,519
Speaker 1: And doesn't that And what's interesting about that is so

953
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,880
your Jordan one not I'm not saying mine is better

954
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,360
than yours, but with your Jordan one, Jordan still just

955
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,320
goes down as no worse than the second best player.

956
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:27,880
Probably if the war, if Steph going to Milwaukee happens,

957
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,840
isn't there a chance we still need time to unfold

958
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:34,320
that we don't have two of what might be the

959
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,920
consensus top fifteen players in NBA history with those resumes,

960
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,920
Because Steph is verging on top ten, probably he's certainly

961
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,320
in the top fifteen. Giannis is gonna be there by

962
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,519
the time he retires, so maybe he turns into Giannis

963
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:48,760
wherever he goes. Maybe that's the flaw. But like there's

964
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,480
kind of the oh, do we not have a top

965
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:53,760
one of the ten greatest players fifteen greatest players in

966
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,119
NBA history? Resume that we ended up getting.

967
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 3: Hm, Well, you wonder just yeah, right, does Steph get

968
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,039
the green light to just start shooting two hundred more

969
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:04,280
threes than anybody would shoot in a season.

970
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: And then what does the game look like today?

971
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:07,679
Speaker 2: What's the game look like? Is it?

972
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,559
Speaker 1: Do we do do we sorry, do we view Damian

973
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:12,960
Lillard as the vanguard of that play style? Or is

974
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,599
does not even Damian Lillard play the way he does?

975
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:18,480
And so what happens to players like, you know, cause

976
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,440
Steph kind of like did we ever get to like

977
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:23,599
Steph paved the way for a certain type of like

978
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:27,599
you can't replicate Steph, but do we still get the

979
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:30,159
Luka Doncices and the Trey Youngs and the super ball

980
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,519
dominant guys who take these unhinged thro lameloture.

981
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's a lot the I mean, is there

982
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,239
an arena in San Francisco?

983
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,199
Speaker 2: Like if if.

984
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean.

985
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 3: Joel because the franchise value is basically Steph. So I

986
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,519
think the entire organization is in a very different state

987
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:53,880
if he's never there.

988
00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's a good one.

989
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,119
Speaker 3: That Like, what's Draymond Green's career look like if he

990
00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:03,199
doesn't have the teammate you know for his abilities? I

991
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,920
there's I don't think he has anything close to the

992
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,800
reputation and like career achievements that it's that's okay, that's

993
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,880
a good one. What about uh even smaller scale, the

994
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:21,880
infamous uh KD toe on the line with Brooklyn three that.

995
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 2: Was a two?

996
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: Because are the still together if that goes away? Right?

997
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:29,400
Probably not?

998
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 3: Maybe like life finds away, Kati and James Harden find

999
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:36,480
a way to like.

1000
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: Fuck up where they are.

1001
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,599
Speaker 1: Couldn't we just even if k D and James Harden

1002
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:42,800
go full k D and James Harden after that scenario,

1003
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,159
do we have one of the most random one off

1004
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,159
NBA champions in weak history?

1005
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: And right? Yeah?

1006
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,639
Speaker 3: And and then we'd be right totally because you that

1007
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:54,000
would have been pretty close on the heels of the

1008
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:57,920
Kawhi and Toronto championship, which like feels kind of simpl.

1009
00:47:57,639 --> 00:47:59,639
Speaker 2: Like, really that was the thing that happened.

1010
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 3: Uh, I think, I think, like I think they would

1011
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:08,039
have broken up eventually just because that's that's what happens. Yeah,

1012
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:09,840
but they really might have won the title that year,

1013
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,800
Like that is an absolutely possible uh outcome for that team.

1014
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,599
And then like you just imagine, Okay, so it breaks

1015
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:21,039
up at some future point, does Harden wind.

1016
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,199
Speaker 2: Up with the Sixers and then the Clippers, does.

1017
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 3: He or whatever the order is does does Durant wind

1018
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:29,159
up with Phoenix of all teams? Like does he go

1019
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,400
somewhere else and maybe he wins a title there or

1020
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,599
like it blows up differently.

1021
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:35,119
Speaker 2: There's there's so many, Uh, I don't know.

1022
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: How about the putaries off of that?

1023
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? What happened?

1024
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: Title? They don't win the title? So is Giannis no

1025
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,320
longer in Milwaukee? And where is he? I mean if

1026
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:44,320
he's out of Milwaukee?

1027
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:45,199
Speaker 2: Yeah? Good one?

1028
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,119
Speaker 3: Those Those are those are my three that I had.

1029
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:48,960
I had this stuff versus Monte trading there?

1030
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: Do you have any others?

1031
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,119
Speaker 1: I do have another one, but I don't I don't

1032
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:55,639
know if there's enough spinoffs here. But what if Kawhi

1033
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,880
shot doesn't go in against the Sixers in twenty nineteen?

1034
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,920
Are are we having because it's are we I don't

1035
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,320
know if we're having a different conversation about Kawhi He's

1036
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:10,320
probably still in La right, but do like what happens

1037
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,280
with the Sixers versus the Bucks? Are we having a

1038
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,079
different conversation about Joelle.

1039
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 2: Embiid a ring? Yeah?

1040
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,679
Speaker 1: Are we having a different conversation about Ben Simmons?

1041
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,039
Speaker 2: Great one? Yeah, great one? Yeah?

1042
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:25,119
Speaker 3: And I mean of all the what ifs that's the

1043
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:28,559
one that just feels like, well, the toe on the line,

1044
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,199
but like that ball bouncing in is just I mean

1045
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,960
talk about talk about the seemingly smallest thing or the

1046
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,880
tiniest margin having a ripple effect. Yeah, that's a good one.

1047
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:40,079
The one thing I am sure of is that Kawhi

1048
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:43,000
does end up in LA. It's just like that was

1049
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:43,519
gonna happen.

1050
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:46,199
Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't get as much out of that aspiration deal.

1051
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: Though, maybe there's no aspiration scandal.

1052
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,519
Speaker 3: Maybe he winds up with the Lakers. Maybe that's what happens. Man,

1053
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,159
so many things, so many that's.

1054
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: That's like not even just a entire podcast, that'd be

1055
00:49:57,079 --> 00:50:00,519
like an entire series. What is every team's biggest what if? First?

1056
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: What if? For sure?

1057
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: Uh my turn, let's do Okay, this is well, let's

1058
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,880
go with nicole Ja cole Levi and this will bleed

1059
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,239
into a question from local nomad grant Stefan Castle or

1060
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,119
Aman Thompson.

1061
00:50:18,199 --> 00:50:22,119
Speaker 3: I think if you'd ask me before this season, it

1062
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:24,360
probably would have been It definitely would have been Thompson.

1063
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,800
I'm I'm moving over to Castle. I think I think

1064
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,000
there's more pure point guard stuff in his game. I

1065
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:36,199
think there's more offensive upside in his game.

1066
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,159
Speaker 2: The shooting, to me is less of.

1067
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 3: A concern with Castle than it is with Thompson. With Thompson,

1068
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:43,920
it feels.

1069
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: Is that because he's shooting over forty percent from three,

1070
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,119
since the AUSO does that have anything to do with that.

1071
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 2: Has a little bit to do with it.

1072
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 3: Thompson's shooting just feels almost unfixable, whereas Castle his volume

1073
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,039
is better. Like I don't feel quite as I don't

1074
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:03,360
feel hopeless when when Castle shoots a three. With Thompson,

1075
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,440
it's just like this is just there's no point or

1076
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,480
even really kind of any any kind of jump shot.

1077
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:12,800
So in favor of Thompson, I guess is the positional versatility,

1078
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:17,079
the bigger, greater size. I'm probably more athletic, but it's

1079
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:20,079
like it's not it's at least it's it's not a conversation.

1080
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:23,519
Thompson is more athletic, but Castle is an an A

1081
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,119
level athlete. It's just Thompson is an A plus plus.

1082
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: But when you look at the way and I know

1083
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:30,440
that Amen has some counters, but when you look at

1084
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,480
the way that Steph Castle moves on the ball, and

1085
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:35,519
maybe I overthink guys who are not. I don't know

1086
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:39,000
if there is a comparison for Amen Thompson's nuclear level

1087
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,440
of athleticism, but I don't view athleticism as a negative.

1088
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,559
But I'm constantly in the back of my mind wondering, well,

1089
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,239
how long is this guy's prime? Oh gonna last?

1090
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Like the skill level has to be there. You

1091
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:54,800
know we always say, like big guys and you know

1092
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,119
that aren't Like Jokich is the example, Like he should age. Fine,

1093
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,519
he's gonna get slower, but like he's got so much

1094
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:03,880
touch and skill like Steph Hill age Fine, he's got

1095
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,199
so much skill, even a guy like Kyrie honestly, but yeah,

1096
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:10,880
if it's just run and jump, that's that's that's a

1097
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,039
short shelf life.

1098
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:14,599
Speaker 2: Really, So yeah, that's so. Are you Castle? I don't

1099
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:14,800
don't know.

1100
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:17,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I which I don't think I would have been

1101
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:20,519
coming into the year, but he's shown. I think he's

1102
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:23,079
just shown to have more levels on the offensive end

1103
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:23,679
at this point.

1104
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 3: I also think totally unscientific. I think Castle is like

1105
00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:33,480
a like a pathological competitor, like he's like a sicko competitively,

1106
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,159
and Thompson doesn't care as the Thompson Thompson Thompson wants

1107
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:38,639
it less.

1108
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 2: I guess, oh.

1109
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,159
Speaker 3: What else he's uh, he's only giving one hundred and

1110
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,079
nine percent instead of one hundred and ten.

1111
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: So that's that's a that's a black mark in the

1112
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:49,480
in the ledger for him.

1113
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:52,599
Speaker 1: This is a spinoff question of this kind of but

1114
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,159
from local Nomad. Given the CBA restrictions, are you concerned

1115
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,440
about the lack of offensive progress from the Thompson Twins.

1116
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,480
As a Pistons fan, I watch more ASR than I'm men,

1117
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,719
But it seems to be a notable thread that defenses

1118
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:11,400
can pull on come playoff time. Thanks as always, Thank

1119
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,039
you Local moment, Thank you.

1120
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 3: I mean that this is it's been at least ten

1121
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,800
years that this has been an issue. Guys that are

1122
00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:25,800
very good at a few things, it's usually defense, rebounding, athleticism, physicality,

1123
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,800
and then can't shoot. And that's what we're dealing with here.

1124
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,800
So it's not really like a new problem. I would say,

1125
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,519
if anything, these types of players are becoming less valuable.

1126
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,320
I don't know when they peaked in value. Like you

1127
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,719
can make the case that like let's say you just

1128
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,679
you just rewound by eight or ten years and Aman

1129
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,320
Thompson is on the peak hard and rockets, like his

1130
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,360
value there is not that great either, because they just

1131
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,639
went five out and Harden attacked and you had to

1132
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:59,280
be able to make catch and shoot threes. I think

1133
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,960
now though defenses have only gotten smarter, the exploitation of

1134
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,639
weaknesses has only gotten more pronounced, and so CBA wise

1135
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,840
like that just makes it so you really you can't

1136
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,760
overpay anybody and get away with it, and now you

1137
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,159
it's probably worse. It's probably worse for these guys now

1138
00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:19,000
than it would have been years ago. Don't you think

1139
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:22,000
like you just can't because if you overpaid them, you

1140
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:24,320
could get away with like we're paying for the potential,

1141
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,320
like look at all the crazy things these guys can do.

1142
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,880
But then the counter is just like I don't think

1143
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,280
they're ever going to be able to shoot, and so

1144
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,800
there's a possibility there literally worthless in a playoff series

1145
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,000
if you're trying to go anywhere.

1146
00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: And I think you could look at completely different player,

1147
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,400
but consider someone who did more things on the ball,

1148
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:42,679
like a Ben Simmons and now his career sort of

1149
00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:45,960
fell apart injury related. For sure, I'm with you on

1150
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,679
everything you said, and it's you I don't think these

1151
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,960
are like I'm and Thompson and a star Tom's I

1152
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,960
wonder if in the past would they not have been

1153
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:57,320
developed as playmakers specifically like they were, because you can't

1154
00:54:57,679 --> 00:54:59,920
there's no more. You can't have an Andre Roberson or

1155
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,639
Tony Allen in today's NBA. You certainly can't have them

1156
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:06,519
on the floor during playoff time. And I think even

1157
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,840
wouldn't it be like Steph Castle, Does he fall into

1158
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,400
this bucket at all for you? Yes, he's shown the

1159
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,119
signs of the three point shooting and he has more

1160
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:19,320
of just mid range touch in general. But if you're

1161
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:22,440
getting to a point where you like he needs to

1162
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,239
be a bit like what is the level of shooter?

1163
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,159
You need to be, like the bare minimum level of

1164
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:30,840
shooter to say, if you have these other elite skills,

1165
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:34,320
you can be viewed as a cornerstone. Is does Lou

1166
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:35,880
Dort or Marcus Smart?

1167
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:38,119
Speaker 2: Would you funny you mentioned Dort?

1168
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 3: I've just that's the name that came to mind first

1169
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,679
because I've been thinking about him. This is the guy that

1170
00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:45,599
shot forty one point two percent from three last year

1171
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,000
and still was like a player that Now part of

1172
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,639
this is because the thunder are who they are. But

1173
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,239
I think still most playoff defenses will be like, oh, good,

1174
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,119
Dort is shooting on this possession. That's good, and he

1175
00:55:56,159 --> 00:55:58,760
made for over forty percent. Now he's at thirty three.

1176
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:01,079
And I'm thinking to myself as I'm looking at the

1177
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:04,039
Thunders postseason prospects, like why on earth would you play

1178
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:06,599
him over Caruso and Wallace and Jada of if you

1179
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:09,480
had those guys, because you got to guard those other

1180
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:10,159
guys differently.

1181
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 2: It's just that's just the reality of it.

1182
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:16,679
Speaker 3: So I say that to illustrate the idea that Dort

1183
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,840
was a forty plus percent three point shooter and and

1184
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,239
and even he even at that level because he just

1185
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,480
wasn't someone I think defenses took seriously.

1186
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 2: They were happy when he shot. So like, I don't,

1187
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:29,679
I don't know what the number.

1188
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 3: It's case by case, I guess is the cop out answer,

1189
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,280
But I would I feel confident saying the level of

1190
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:42,360
shooting required to offset like I guess anotherwise one dimensional

1191
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,960
kind of or like the absence of some dimension is

1192
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,039
higher than it's ever been. I just I just think

1193
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:52,960
every defense is more predatory and more willing to ignore

1194
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:56,760
guys that can't shoot it. So I don't know what

1195
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,960
that I couldn't give you a percentage because as we talk

1196
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,639
about it all the time, it's not just the percentage

1197
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:01,119
that they go in.

1198
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 2: It's like how often is the guy shooting?

1199
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,559
Speaker 1: It's the volume, yeah, and is the is it still.

1200
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 3: A preferable alternative to what else you might give up

1201
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:11,559
by like defending him honestly.

1202
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:13,519
Speaker 1: And it's what types of threes are they? Because if

1203
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:15,559
it's just why, it's not even just are they wide open?

1204
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:17,719
Like if you're hitting off the dribble threes all of

1205
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,719
a sudden, that's gonna shift the way that you're.

1206
00:57:20,599 --> 00:57:22,719
Speaker 2: Guarded totally totally. That pulls.

1207
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 3: So Josh Hart's another example we talk all the time

1208
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,639
about if Josh Hark goes like seven for nine from

1209
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:30,159
three in game one of a playoff series, I don't

1210
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:33,920
think a defense changes anything in game two of that series.

1211
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,519
Speaker 1: It just and is there when people also say, I

1212
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,800
am people to want to make this clear When people

1213
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,719
also say, well, if he just fixes the shooting or

1214
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,840
like he starts hitting threes, who's the player where they

1215
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,239
came in as a limited shooter and then you like

1216
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,760
they started hitting odd ball like self created threes.

1217
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: That's a great question that should you should submit that

1218
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:58,079
to a mail bag.

1219
00:57:58,239 --> 00:58:01,039
Speaker 1: That would have been a great question till just now.

1220
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:03,880
But I'm trying. I don't there's no there's certainly not

1221
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,920
an analog for someone like Aman Thompson just all of

1222
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,320
a sudden knocking down, you know, three plus draw, but

1223
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,440
like creating his own three point three pointers on the

1224
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,880
regular even I'd like, I don't know, like could Steph

1225
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,360
Castle even do something like that.

1226
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 3: So a name just came to mind, and I'm now

1227
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,159
looking it up to see if it's legit. So Kyle

1228
00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:29,119
Lowry as a rookie barely play one shot thirty seven percent,

1229
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,519
played all eighty two games. This second year shot twenty

1230
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:35,760
six percent from three played seventy seven games, his third

1231
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,880
year twenty five, twenty six percent, twenty seven percent, and

1232
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,280
then in his age twenty four season shoots thirty seven

1233
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,760
percent and is a guy that defenses care about for

1234
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,039
the rest of his career and eventually like kind of

1235
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:51,679
becomes defined in.

1236
00:58:51,639 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: A lot of ways offensively by pull up threes.

1237
00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 3: That's a massive exception to the rule because because Ben

1238
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,119
Simmons is the other stream of like, well, what if

1239
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:04,400
he wants. He's working on it, what if he develops it?

1240
00:59:05,199 --> 00:59:07,960
Just I think nine times out of ten, it's not happening.

1241
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,800
So Castle Castle, If Castle becomes like a over a

1242
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,280
full season, a legitimate three point threat, that you you're

1243
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,920
worried that he's left open, especially because of how dangerous

1244
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,320
he is getting downhill, like that's always gonna make it

1245
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,679
like a jump shot probably will be preferable for him.

1246
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: If he's a forty percent shooter.

1247
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:28,719
Speaker 3: Somehow like he He'll have to be the exception too,

1248
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,079
because it doesn't there's not a lot of Kyle Lowry

1249
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:37,559
career trajectories. Your turn, all right, how about I pick

1250
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:40,159
when at random? How about all right?

1251
00:59:41,719 --> 00:59:44,239
Speaker 1: You close your eyes like you just the mouse scribbling?

1252
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just circled it around like you're

1253
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,280
pointing out He's spin a globe and you point at it.

1254
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:49,719
Speaker 2: Uh. This is from.

1255
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:53,719
Speaker 3: Wandering when uh is Scoot gonna be a real cornerstone

1256
00:59:53,760 --> 01:00:00,360
point guard? I'll start by saying we haven't had the

1257
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:06,320
best sample to evaluate because of injuries. I think I'm

1258
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:13,000
prepared to say no, I don't see in one the

1259
01:00:13,039 --> 01:00:18,199
league is kind of shifted, uh in that the smaller

1260
01:00:18,239 --> 01:00:21,840
pure point guard he's not super small, but the the

1261
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,760
that player type you got to be so good, Like

1262
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,639
what are the cornerstone point guards right now? Like you

1263
01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:31,599
might have said Darius Garland, it's a player like that

1264
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,440
just to use like a mid mid tier example.

1265
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,039
Speaker 2: I don't think that's how he's viewed. He was just traded.

1266
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 3: Like I'm struggling, like, who are the point guards that

1267
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:47,559
are the you're laughing, but this, this whole question is

1268
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:49,320
just to put that on a t for you, like

1269
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:50,280
Tyrese Maxi.

1270
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 2: But even I'm.

1271
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,599
Speaker 1: Talking traditional guard is a power forward.

1272
01:00:55,639 --> 01:00:58,079
Speaker 3: So yeah, like I think the league is moving away

1273
01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:01,199
a little bit, like even like you're Edwards, you're Mitchell's

1274
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,519
you know, yeah, I guess those guys aren't really ones Scoots.

1275
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:07,519
I don't see a scenario where Scoot is a is

1276
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:10,119
a combo guard or a two that's not really that

1277
01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:11,159
wasn't part of the building.

1278
01:01:11,199 --> 01:01:13,119
Speaker 1: He could not He doesn't move the same way. But

1279
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:15,559
he could have the profile of a Donovan Mitchell.

1280
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 3: Okay, but he doesn't move the same way. So you know,

1281
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:24,559
I'm I'm skeptical. I don't I don't think it's there.

1282
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:27,360
It's so early, and all I do every year is

1283
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,119
try to tell myself not to like form a conclusion

1284
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:32,599
on a player that's not twenty five yet.

1285
01:01:32,719 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: But if you're asking the question, I don't. I don't

1286
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:35,519
quite see it.

1287
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's done a better job from what I've seen

1288
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,480
this season, finishing at the basket, getting stronger there. Turnovers

1289
01:01:43,519 --> 01:01:46,480
can still be an issue, but I think that I

1290
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,599
look at him and when he gets into the paint,

1291
01:01:48,679 --> 01:01:50,559
I feels as if he should be able to run

1292
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:51,960
an offense, or at least be able to put two

1293
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,639
feet in the paint and make a play from there.

1294
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:58,280
Work with Donovan Clinton, who's who's a two level scorer? Now, Grant,

1295
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,760
I don't know if you've noticed he's in at the rim,

1296
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,840
you got a two? He might on some nights. He's

1297
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,960
still a one level scorer. And the one level is

1298
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,840
the three point scoring. No, that's potentially problem, but he's

1299
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,639
been a monster. But I don't think he's gonna get there.

1300
01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:15,239
And also here's a follow up question, Uh, do the

1301
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:19,440
Blazers view him as one? He has started? He did,

1302
01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:21,880
he doesn't start. He's started. He started three games. He

1303
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,159
hasn't been available this year. We started three games this year.

1304
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:27,079
When we start ten to eleven last year. Moret and

1305
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:28,639
I actually just went over this when we were talking

1306
01:02:28,639 --> 01:02:31,559
about his extension. So do they view him as one

1307
01:02:31,639 --> 01:02:35,280
and the real they're gonna have to decide or or

1308
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:38,039
will know more? I guess this summer because he is

1309
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:41,119
extension eligible, but also going into next season, you have

1310
01:02:41,239 --> 01:02:45,480
him in theory Denny Avdya, Shane and Sharp, Drew Holliday

1311
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:48,440
and Damian Lillard, like what is the like, what's the

1312
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,239
p what's the pecking order supposed to?

1313
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 3: Maybe it's the same question we entered this year with,

1314
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:55,199
except we didn't know Avdia would for most of this

1315
01:02:55,239 --> 01:02:58,360
season look like a first option creator. So it's it's

1316
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,119
I think it's so this is still Scoot's age twenty

1317
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:06,440
one season, the fact that he's not starting for a

1318
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,280
team that's under five hundred, Like you can't. I think

1319
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,679
we're deep enough into it, even though it's still early

1320
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:18,599
to to fairly firmly say the Blazers are not treating

1321
01:03:18,679 --> 01:03:22,719
him like that type of player. So, and it'd be

1322
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,000
different if I'm trying to think of another scenario where

1323
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:27,119
it's like who, I don't know, it's like when a

1324
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,400
It's like when Aaron Rodgers got to Green Bay and like,

1325
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,320
he was obviously great, but Brett Farv was there.

1326
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 2: There's no Brett Farv in this hypothetical, and like, and the.

1327
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 3: Blazers are not playing a ton of high level games

1328
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,519
where you just can't afford to have the young guy

1329
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:38,960
out there.

1330
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 2: So maybe like this is a.

1331
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:46,519
Speaker 3: Situation where if Scoot were really showing like Cornerstone upside,

1332
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:49,079
he would be playing more right now, because it's not

1333
01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:52,360
like there's you know, true greats ahead of him.

1334
01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:55,239
Speaker 1: Is there like one thing, because there there I think

1335
01:03:55,239 --> 01:03:57,400
there's a few things, But is there one thing that

1336
01:03:57,559 --> 01:04:01,440
if he did this it would make you feel as if, oh,

1337
01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:02,960
that chance is still there.

1338
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 3: I think the problem is that there there isn't any

1339
01:04:08,519 --> 01:04:10,719
area of his game where you're like, well, at least

1340
01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:12,360
he's got this carrying skill.

1341
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,719
Speaker 1: So it's like I'm reversing your question. It's like, what's

1342
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:16,840
his defining skills?

1343
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I don't.

1344
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 3: See anything where it's like, Okay, this is a problem,

1345
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,320
and that's a problem, but this is great. I have

1346
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,519
no doubt he's going to be awesome at this, and

1347
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:26,159
it just fill in around it. I don't know what

1348
01:04:26,199 --> 01:04:28,719
the awesome at this thing is yet, So.

1349
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: For me now, And maybe it's also problematic because this

1350
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,119
wasn't supposed to be what he did. But now the

1351
01:04:35,159 --> 01:04:36,800
ways that he get When he first came in, you

1352
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,719
would have thought he got to the basket by just

1353
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,320
being faster than everybody. Correct. I did think that, Yeah,

1354
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,920
he's getting to the basket in different ways, in part

1355
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,679
because he's had some like ankle issues, but like now

1356
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:52,119
he's using physicality and like that strength to get to

1357
01:04:52,119 --> 01:04:54,480
the basket and so being able to do that if

1358
01:04:54,519 --> 01:04:57,320
he had so, this would then if I'm picking a skill,

1359
01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:00,440
if you could trust the pull up jumper, and he's

1360
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,800
at forty four percent on half court pull up twos,

1361
01:05:04,119 --> 01:05:07,079
he's at thirty four percent on half court pull up threes.

1362
01:05:07,519 --> 01:05:10,519
If those each of those numbers were like six percent, well,

1363
01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:12,800
like the twos were around fifty percent and the threes

1364
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,920
are like thirty eight percent in the volume ticked up,

1365
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:17,639
where do we trust him to be? That also might

1366
01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:20,239
be The other thing is ken Scoot could continue to

1367
01:05:20,239 --> 01:05:22,920
be more aggressive as a school, like what what type

1368
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,119
of floor general are you?

1369
01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:24,559
Speaker 2: Right? Are you?

1370
01:05:24,639 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: What are you looking to set up everybody else? And

1371
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,920
he's still sort of it fluctuates between those two existences,

1372
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:37,800
and I think when he's aggress when he's aggressive like himself,

1373
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,159
that looks most natural to me, more so than when

1374
01:05:41,159 --> 01:05:43,639
he's because it's not. He's not an I wouldn't call

1375
01:05:43,719 --> 01:05:46,000
him an A plus passer. He's never shown like the

1376
01:05:46,119 --> 01:05:48,679
Jahn Morant type of things or even the Derrick Rose

1377
01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:49,960
type of passes.

1378
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:54,039
Speaker 3: I think, just in fairness to him, the Blazers have

1379
01:05:54,119 --> 01:05:57,800
basically never put enough shooting around their guards to get

1380
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,440
a good sense, you know. And it's a lot like

1381
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,639
the LaMelo you know, Hey, but you know, situational stuff

1382
01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:06,639
that we would throw out there. I do that that,

1383
01:06:07,079 --> 01:06:10,400
I mean that might be the reason that he Yeah,

1384
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,239
I just I just don't know. The situation is not

1385
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:18,480
ideal his play again, I don't know what the carrying

1386
01:06:18,519 --> 01:06:22,159
skill is right now. It's still other than like potential

1387
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,880
like that that, you know. I do still believe there's

1388
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,199
protect maybe there's something in there, but yeah, there isn't.

1389
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 2: There isn't a one.

1390
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 1: So he's first team all mystery box or first team

1391
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:32,800
all could be anything.

1392
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,679
Speaker 3: For you if you lose your mystery box status. I

1393
01:06:34,679 --> 01:06:36,840
think he still has some, but he's running out a

1394
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,119
little bit. The mystery box doesn't feel as heavy as

1395
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:40,280
it used to. There's less in it.

1396
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: Uh my turn. Let's do this question from Susie b.

1397
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,719
This feels like a magic eight ball question. But do

1398
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,840
you think the Cavs will make it to the Eastern

1399
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:55,920
Conference Finals this season? I think they're gonna. I mean

1400
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,639
it might be predicated on, well, it will be predicated

1401
01:06:59,639 --> 01:07:01,880
on I don't know if you would prefer them to

1402
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,800
have I mean, will the Piston still be in first place?

1403
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,119
But I think at this rate they're in a goods

1404
01:07:07,239 --> 01:07:10,880
with the four to five, you would avoid Boston in

1405
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,079
round two, right. I think that's the route they should

1406
01:07:14,159 --> 01:07:16,760
want to go. And I think the big thing is

1407
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,679
we have questions about them. We've gone through. There's the

1408
01:07:19,679 --> 01:07:23,440
wing defense. The defense is now below average. When Evan

1409
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,920
Mobley's on the floor with Donovan Mitchell and James Harden,

1410
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,679
there's a lot to cover up. Now. This is another team, though,

1411
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,199
that just can't seem to get to its core lineups

1412
01:07:32,239 --> 01:07:35,320
because they're never healthy. Max Trews is back, Jared Allen

1413
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,360
is injured. There you go, you know what I mean?

1414
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,920
So what I am? What I was worried about? And

1415
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:43,760
I can't remember the writer on Fear of the Sword,

1416
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,320
who had done a breakdown of the issues between Evan

1417
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,239
Mobley and James Harden and the pick and roll versus

1418
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,000
Jared Allen and Jared Allen and James Harden the pick

1419
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,119
and roll the last game I saw of Mobley and

1420
01:07:56,119 --> 01:07:59,760
Harden playing together. There's chemistry there now to where James

1421
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,239
Harden isn't immediately going into the lane when Mobley slips

1422
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,280
the screen or sets the screen. He just doesn't operate

1423
01:08:05,719 --> 01:08:08,199
like that because so many times James Harden's is way

1424
01:08:08,199 --> 01:08:10,119
too out in front of the play or there's not

1425
01:08:10,159 --> 01:08:12,840
a pathway for them to explore. And I think Mobley

1426
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,679
has quietly just been better and more aggressive on offense.

1427
01:08:16,079 --> 01:08:18,279
I think the Cavs offense, this is all to say,

1428
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,279
is gonna be fine. It's gonna be dynamite. We know

1429
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,560
James Harden's playoff numbers through these pivotal games if you

1430
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:28,880
look at Game sixes and sevens. With that being said, defensively,

1431
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,760
I don't like Dean Wade or Jalen Tyson or even

1432
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,720
a Sam Merrill is gonna have to do a lot

1433
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:38,920
of heavy lifting, or you need Kean Ellis sam Merrill

1434
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,840
again or Dennis Shruder, like, are they gonna guard up?

1435
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:46,760
I think overall, your defense can maybe be fine if

1436
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,039
you have both of your bigs available, but you don't

1437
01:08:49,119 --> 01:08:52,720
play dual big every game, and there are some or

1438
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,680
not every game, but for forty eight minutes a game,

1439
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,399
there are also some matchups where how often can you

1440
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,119
even get to it or should you get to it?

1441
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,439
And so that that's my biggest question for the Cavs

1442
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,960
is still sort of focused on their wing defense. And

1443
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,000
this isn't to say by the way it's been I

1444
01:09:07,039 --> 01:09:10,800
won't say exacerbated. It's been complicated by having neither Isaaca

1445
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,680
Coro nor DeAndre Hunter. But those two guys, to be clear,

1446
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,680
weren't the answer. A Coro played off the floor offensively.

1447
01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:21,079
Hunter's just he's six' eight and that's why he's viewed

1448
01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:23,560
as a. Solution it's not anything that he actually. Does

1449
01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:26,720
and if he wasn't gonna be healthy, either you, Know

1450
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,359
Max struce could be a better answer Than DeAndre hunter.

1451
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:34,439
Defensively SO i don't you really need like it feels

1452
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,159
Like Dean wade needs to play a bunch and be

1453
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:38,760
healthy in the playoffs for the defense to be good.

1454
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:43,079
Enough OTHERWISE i think that's gonna be and maybe that's

1455
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:44,760
enough to get you out of The, east but it's

1456
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,880
definitely not they were my pick to come out of

1457
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,119
The east this. Year i'd have a hard time picking

1458
01:09:49,159 --> 01:09:52,600
them against a few of The Western conference contenders.

1459
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:56,319
Speaker 3: For, sure As i'm if we dispense with the matchups

1460
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:00,159
and just sort of power Rank east teams that we

1461
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,319
believe have the best chance to make the conference. FINALS

1462
01:10:03,359 --> 01:10:05,319
i think at this Point boston is the number one for,

1463
01:10:05,399 --> 01:10:09,479
me which feels, insane but here we. Are i'm assuming

1464
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:14,760
That cunningham will be fine for the, playoffs and SO

1465
01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:18,359
i Guess detroit still sits two for, me and Then,

1466
01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:20,920
CLEVELAND i GUESS i LIKE i don't know IF i

1467
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:21,840
Like cleveland more than The.

1468
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 2: Knicks maybe a little. Bit maybe a little.

1469
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 3: Bit So cleveland to me feels like the third most

1470
01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:29,960
likely conference finalist in The, east but it is still

1471
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,840
really just to, me it's really just a class of.

1472
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:35,760
Four so being third is not is.

1473
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: Not that, Great, no it's it's not. Great and you,

1474
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:42,840
ALSO i said it's all about Avoiding, boston but they're

1475
01:10:43,159 --> 01:10:45,199
when you look at the Physical If detroit is fully,

1476
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:47,800
healthy the physicality with which they. Play isn't a great

1477
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:50,760
matchup For cleveland and you go look you go up

1478
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,560
against you look at their rebounding numbers against some of The,

1479
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:59,600
knicks the even The, celtics The, pistons they're not. Great

1480
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,720
SO i don't know that there's a matchup within the

1481
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,199
top four THAT i would feel excellent about with The.

1482
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:08,640
Cavs But i'm sticking with my preseason. Pick AND i

1483
01:11:09,279 --> 01:11:12,119
do think it's encouraging that the, offense because you Know

1484
01:11:12,199 --> 01:11:14,279
James harden's gonna be. Available that was a question mark

1485
01:11:14,319 --> 01:11:17,319
With Darius garland and if the chemistry between him And mobiley's,

1486
01:11:17,319 --> 01:11:19,600
there and more, importantly If mobley's gonna be as aggressive

1487
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,880
as he's, been that's that's a huge.

1488
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 3: Boom, yeah all, right there's a couple here FROM. BJP

1489
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,560
i THINK i think the first one is gonna is

1490
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,239
trickier to, Answer so LET'S i want to go with

1491
01:11:31,279 --> 01:11:35,439
this this middle one, here Since silver thinks it's, Tanking,

1492
01:11:36,079 --> 01:11:39,319
uh when that doesn't crack the top, ten what do

1493
01:11:39,399 --> 01:11:42,479
you think is the number one problem facing THE nba right?

1494
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 2: Now first of, all do you think it's?

1495
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 3: Tanking Because i'm not ready to dismiss that out of,

1496
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:49,199
hand as not being the biggest.

1497
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:54,079
Speaker 1: Problem, NO i don't think it's. TANKING i think that's

1498
01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:56,960
just front and center because of the time of year right,

1499
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,560
now and it's just it's gonna. Be it might be

1500
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,600
the league think it's problem ahead of certain draft.

1501
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 3: Classes, OKAY i THINK i think saying it's tanking.

1502
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 2: IS i guess it's a broader.

1503
01:12:13,039 --> 01:12:17,319
Speaker 3: Thing and maybe Maybe i'm telling on myself and this

1504
01:12:17,399 --> 01:12:20,079
isn't how everybody, feels but but also maybe it. IS

1505
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,960
i just think it's just the length of the season

1506
01:12:24,359 --> 01:12:27,520
which makes it so that too much of it feels

1507
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:31,640
like it doesn't matter or feels like because this is

1508
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:35,760
Where i'm, At i'll just say right now. Sucks like

1509
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,880
when you're looking for games to watch every, NIGHT i

1510
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,439
hate it because The I'M i feel lucky if there's

1511
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:46,560
one every night, now one game where it's a two

1512
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:51,239
good teams that are trying and b that have everybody

1513
01:12:51,279 --> 01:12:55,239
healthy or at least are only missing, someone aren't missing

1514
01:12:55,239 --> 01:12:57,279
their best player or two of their three best or.

1515
01:12:57,279 --> 01:13:00,840
Whatever that to me is a symptom of the league

1516
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,239
not adjusting the season length to the increased riggor required

1517
01:13:05,279 --> 01:13:07,840
to PLAY nba, basketball and just there's too many all that.

1518
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,680
Stuff so tanking is part of that because tanking is

1519
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,680
large is the reason that so many of these games

1520
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,800
are just, like, Well i'm not watching that one, TONIGHT.

1521
01:13:16,279 --> 01:13:16,319
Speaker 2: I.

1522
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 3: Think So i'm not ready to say tanking is not

1523
01:13:20,039 --> 01:13:22,199
in the top. TEN i think it's a huge, Problem

1524
01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:26,359
like it's fundamentally bad if winning isn't the. Goal BUT

1525
01:13:27,039 --> 01:13:29,039
i think it's part of a bigger, issue which is

1526
01:13:29,079 --> 01:13:33,800
like the product itself is not good often and doesn't

1527
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,319
feel meaningful. Often that's that's tanking's rolled into.

1528
01:13:37,359 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 2: It but it's not this singular.

1529
01:13:39,079 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: Thing my issue Is I'M i Guess i'm gravitating towards

1530
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:48,680
the problems THAT i know the league might try and.

1531
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:52,199
Fix they're just never going to shorten the season because

1532
01:13:52,279 --> 01:13:55,119
even the case if they're gonna with expansion coming now

1533
01:13:55,119 --> 01:13:57,079
would be the case for can you do something and

1534
01:13:57,159 --> 01:13:59,479
drop down the get, like cause you're gonna gain back

1535
01:14:00,039 --> 01:14:03,159
a ton of. Games could you drop it to sixty,

1536
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:05,800
six but then you're still losing what a couple of

1537
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,279
hundred games there that THE nba is just never gonna do,

1538
01:14:08,399 --> 01:14:10,800
That and so that's it is the length of the

1539
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,319
schedule is. There can you make it? Better and keep

1540
01:14:13,359 --> 01:14:15,640
eighty two games by weeding out back to. Backs does

1541
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,600
that make the season any better or? No are you

1542
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,760
just extending the window of the season at that point

1543
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:27,119
and shortening the off. Season it feels like the biggest current,

1544
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:32,720
problem aside from people complaining about the like fouls and

1545
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,239
the way that certain players are officiated against, others would

1546
01:14:35,279 --> 01:14:39,800
be is there a way to actually like improve, that

1547
01:14:40,399 --> 01:14:41,720
like what would? Be it's NOT i don't know if

1548
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,600
it's a, rule but is there a way to get

1549
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:49,920
people so like to de emphasize that there is inequality

1550
01:14:50,319 --> 01:14:53,920
in how players are being. Officiated is there is there

1551
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,479
a different type of coverage you could game or does

1552
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,439
there need to be different rules in? Plays and by?

1553
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,119
Way some of the big problems for me are just

1554
01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:04,000
they don't impact. EVERYTHING i hate that team's foul up

1555
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:05,760
three InCred like. That there should be a way to

1556
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,079
weed that, out like that should be an auto free

1557
01:15:08,079 --> 01:15:10,279
throw on the ball back if you do. That but

1558
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,560
this just feels Like i've noticed it more this year

1559
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,479
that people are frustrated by the, officiating which when you're

1560
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,800
dealing with human and human, error there's going to be

1561
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:23,640
a level of inconsistency. There BUT i see, more not

1562
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:27,680
even just, fans but people that cover teams suggesting that

1563
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,279
the way games are, officiated or the way certain players are,

1564
01:15:30,319 --> 01:15:35,159
officiated are it influence heavily, influencing if not outright defining

1565
01:15:35,239 --> 01:15:39,079
or shifting entire. Outcomes and that's an idea THAT i

1566
01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:41,680
just flat out. Reject but how do you make it

1567
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,960
so that's not the. IMPRESSION i don't have a solution for,

1568
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,439
it BUT i think that's a huge. Problem is the

1569
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:49,560
way the fans consume the game is a lot of.

1570
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,560
It and maybe this is just people who are still

1571
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,119
on social, media and if you're On twitter and you're

1572
01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:56,800
seeing stuff that's, posted there just seems to be a

1573
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:01,000
level of disdain for THE nba that fans of other,

1574
01:16:01,039 --> 01:16:04,560
sports Even Major League, baseball don't necessarily.

1575
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 3: Have SEE I i think that that's not AN nba.

1576
01:16:08,039 --> 01:16:10,880
PROBLEM i think that is a social media. Problem and

1577
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:15,359
like the way that every algorithm is tuned to hope

1578
01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:19,000
it outraged everything if it's supposed to outrage you or

1579
01:16:19,039 --> 01:16:21,399
make you upset or, whatever like that's just how it.

1580
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:26,119
Works SO i feel that, too, Though like you, said

1581
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:30,079
what you said was it seems like that everyone's upset

1582
01:16:30,119 --> 01:16:32,640
about this to a disproportionate. Degree and the part of,

1583
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,199
that the problematic part of that is it does seem that.

1584
01:16:35,239 --> 01:16:37,640
WAY i don't know if it actually is that, way

1585
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,800
or if that's just what we're being served a lot

1586
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,840
because of the little silos that we live in with

1587
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:43,840
respect to basketball.

1588
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 2: STUFF i WOULD i would also say THAT i think

1589
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:54,319
opposing teams executives players complaining about the type of whistle

1590
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:58,720
that certain guys get is as old as. Basketball, LIKE i.

1591
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:01,279
Speaker 1: Just it's gagmanship that's being disseminated a.

1592
01:17:01,319 --> 01:17:04,039
Speaker 3: Ship there have always been players that are harder to

1593
01:17:04,079 --> 01:17:09,079
officiate than. Others that's, different Very that fact is very

1594
01:17:09,119 --> 01:17:13,000
different to me than the assertion that there's an agenda driving. This,

1595
01:17:13,279 --> 01:17:15,920
LIKE i just think some guys are hard to, officiate

1596
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,479
some teams are hard to officiate. AGAINST i am not

1597
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:22,760
persuaded that there's any sort of like nefarious conspiracy to

1598
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,800
promote PLAYER x over PLAYER, Y and if there was,

1599
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,119
one choosing a guy In Oklahoma city would not be

1600
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,479
less of, Like, wow this is really going to grow the?

1601
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 2: League Is we're gonna make so much money off of?

1602
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:35,079
This that's.

1603
01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:40,279
Speaker 3: Dumb, YEAH i don't view that type of thing as

1604
01:17:40,279 --> 01:17:43,439
AN nba PROBLEM i think if you WHAT i WHERE

1605
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,000
i could get on board is like the weaponization of

1606
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,439
the off arm on drives by offensive. Players that's a

1607
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:51,520
problem because that's actually a foul.

1608
01:17:51,399 --> 01:17:55,319
Speaker 1: As A knicks. Fan as A knicks, fan you.

1609
01:17:55,279 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 2: Need less legislation on.

1610
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:00,359
Speaker 3: That you, also you've said to me in it that

1611
01:18:00,399 --> 01:18:02,560
you believe that if a player under six foot two

1612
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,000
gets knocked over at any, point that's a.

1613
01:18:05,039 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 2: Foul, well why do.

1614
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: You Think Jalen brunson leads the league in? Charge That's that's.

1615
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 3: What i'm alluding. To it Does it does seem like

1616
01:18:11,039 --> 01:18:12,079
he's very good again.

1617
01:18:12,199 --> 01:18:14,319
Speaker 1: Cover that might be another one is we need to

1618
01:18:14,359 --> 01:18:19,079
get rid of like the offensive like expand the restricted

1619
01:18:19,119 --> 01:18:22,720
area like the semi. Circle, yeah because that stuff.

1620
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 3: Something with the block charge could could be uh lighting

1621
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:27,399
lightning around other.

1622
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 2: Problems that's just coming to.

1623
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:32,119
Speaker 1: Me, well actually this isn't even a lightning. Round they

1624
01:18:32,199 --> 01:18:35,960
killed free. Agency there's god like you built your entire

1625
01:18:36,119 --> 01:18:41,079
brand around transactions like what and THE CBA i think

1626
01:18:41,159 --> 01:18:43,319
just gave owners way too much cover. TOO i know

1627
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,079
every summer there's stats out there that, say, well like

1628
01:18:46,119 --> 01:18:48,640
the money being thrown around is the same and it's

1629
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,960
something is. Different MAYBE i can't put my finger on

1630
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,680
about the way these teams are operating and the level

1631
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,439
of selling or just cost. Cutting we saw it this

1632
01:18:56,600 --> 01:19:01,399
year's past, deadline like more teams than just They've you've

1633
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:03,720
instituted a hard. Cap that's what you, did and so

1634
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,159
either call it a hard cap or. Don't but, LIKE i,

1635
01:19:06,199 --> 01:19:09,279
Don't i'm curious as To i'm not gonna say that

1636
01:19:09,279 --> 01:19:11,239
we're done seeing teams going to the Second apron because

1637
01:19:11,279 --> 01:19:14,680
it's actually probably gonna happen next. Season but it's like

1638
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:16,640
The calves are gonna what this Will they're gonna spend

1639
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,399
this season in the Second? Apron that's gonna be? It

1640
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:20,840
will they go into it Next like will The thunder

1641
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:23,039
stay in it next? Year will The knicks enter it next?

1642
01:19:23,159 --> 01:19:26,600
YEAR I i'm just Not this is a lot of it's,

1643
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,039
anecdotal BUT i, Don't, Like i'm not a fan of

1644
01:19:30,079 --> 01:19:32,600
what THE cba has, done AND i MISS i missed

1645
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,439
like the way free agency there was a level of

1646
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,199
mystery and now it's just all pre agency and.

1647
01:19:37,279 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 3: Extensions, YEAH i, mean maybe the best way to frame

1648
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:42,920
what you're talking about is, like what what can you

1649
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,680
point to in the NEW. Cba that is a clear

1650
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,119
improvement over how things used to, Be, like what's the,

1651
01:19:49,239 --> 01:19:52,039
oh this is a great positive. Consequence so, LIKE i

1652
01:19:52,039 --> 01:19:56,880
don't know if there's Anything i'm, LIKE i can't think

1653
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,279
of a. Thing it's it's either neutral or there's there's

1654
01:19:59,319 --> 01:20:04,920
issues with like really fundamentally teams being punished for the

1655
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,600
thunder or of the team for building the right way

1656
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,720
like through the draft and all this other. Stuff like

1657
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,079
it's just you're gonna have to make concessions at some.

1658
01:20:12,079 --> 01:20:16,880
Point small two smaller. Things one the replay. System it

1659
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:21,840
takes too, long the ends of games. INTERMINABLE i, mean

1660
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:23,439
it's just it's small in the, sense like it's not

1661
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:23,840
a new.

1662
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:25,239
Speaker 2: GRIPE i.

1663
01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 3: DO i do think it's important to get calls right

1664
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,079
at a base level like way to do, it, Though

1665
01:20:31,119 --> 01:20:33,239
there's got to be a quicker. Way there's got to

1666
01:20:33,279 --> 01:20:37,560
be just more limitations on on maybe the.

1667
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 2: NUMBER i don't. Know they already have limited the number of.

1668
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:41,880
CHALLENGES i, think like you can watch un limited.

1669
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,520
Speaker 3: Challenges there need to be there need to be fewer

1670
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,119
timeouts allowed in the last couple of. MINUTES i know

1671
01:20:47,119 --> 01:20:49,479
that's kind of when you need, them BUT i JUST

1672
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,319
i can't take that we're back from break and another

1673
01:20:52,399 --> 01:20:54,840
time out and we're then there's a, chance like these

1674
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,600
games are getting difficult to watch towards the. End the other,

1675
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:05,159
ONE i so the way that the flagrant foul situation is,

1676
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:10,119
OFFICIATED i think is broadly, Good like because you want

1677
01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:12,920
like non you want you want plays legislated out of

1678
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:14,479
the game that are where that makes you, like what

1679
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,760
the fuck was? That like that wasn't a that wasn't

1680
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,239
a bad like we're not playing, basketball like the low door.

1681
01:21:19,319 --> 01:21:23,039
Trip i'm totally fine with that being officiated the way

1682
01:21:23,079 --> 01:21:25,239
it was On, jokic because, like what are you, Doing

1683
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,079
like that's not you're not playing, basketball that's that's something.

1684
01:21:28,079 --> 01:21:32,840
Else the other thing is sort of that's a tangent forget.

1685
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,159
Speaker 2: Even now what game it WAS i was.

1686
01:21:34,199 --> 01:21:38,039
Speaker 3: Watching it was basically a breakaway lay up attempt or

1687
01:21:38,079 --> 01:21:41,760
a dunk and the defender came from behind and kind

1688
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,920
of jumped around but swung.

1689
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 2: Down it was a.

1690
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:48,600
Speaker 3: Foul it Was it wasn't a hard, foul but it

1691
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,840
was a player that was in the air on offense

1692
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:56,359
trying to, score being like contacted at a dead run

1693
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,720
in the air from, behind AND i just kind of

1694
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,560
it made me, think LIKE i don't think there's any

1695
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,960
scenario where where an offensive player that cannot see you

1696
01:22:05,039 --> 01:22:08,520
coming you can hit him in the air from. Behind

1697
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:10,840
that should be a flagrant every time because that's just

1698
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:14,079
like so preposterously dangerous and the risk of injury is so,

1699
01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:17,439
High like does it does it make it so you're

1700
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,239
gonna see fewer cool chase down blocks because guys are

1701
01:22:20,279 --> 01:22:22,800
worried about a flagrant foul if they, Try like, maybe

1702
01:22:23,159 --> 01:22:27,479
but if it prevents these like incredibly dangerous, plays because

1703
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:29,399
that's not it wasn't a flagrant. Foul it's not always

1704
01:22:29,399 --> 01:22:32,279
a flagrant foul if you're if it's a behind like

1705
01:22:32,399 --> 01:22:36,199
chase down body contact kind of. Foul it was such

1706
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:38,640
a scary play that it just as we're lightning. Rounding

1707
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:40,720
it makes me think we got to figure something out

1708
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,119
about like the it's like the defenseless receiver thing in.

1709
01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:46,439
Football it's like you just can't like hit a guy

1710
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:48,760
that can't protect himself or doesn't see you.

1711
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 2: Coming that feels like it should be a rule.

1712
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 1: Because also maybe. Something don't change The All star format

1713
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,960
every three seconds just because they called this everyone The

1714
01:22:59,079 --> 01:23:01,520
All Star game this, year you're that ended up being.

1715
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:03,560
Good but do you remember the same thing was said

1716
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:06,560
after the elam ending was implemented and then like a

1717
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,199
year or, like, no this is. Awful it just some

1718
01:23:09,359 --> 01:23:11,119
years are gonna be. Good some years are gonna be.

1719
01:23:11,119 --> 01:23:14,079
BAD i also this is this is another anecdotal. One

1720
01:23:15,039 --> 01:23:16,880
there needs to be a way to do a better

1721
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:21,159
job of like promoting the entire. League doesn't, it don't?

1722
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:24,079
You sort of there's too much resting on we keep talking,

1723
01:23:24,079 --> 01:23:26,159
about like what's gonna happen after we don't need a

1724
01:23:26,199 --> 01:23:28,920
face of the, league but. Doesn't why why does it

1725
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:33,720
feel like everything is so tied to players rather than,

1726
01:23:34,279 --> 01:23:36,640
teams or if you're looking at the NATIONAL tv, schedule

1727
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,039
why so much of it is tied to specific teams

1728
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:42,359
over the ENTIRE nba and some of the some of

1729
01:23:42,399 --> 01:23:46,880
the could be, good like under the radar games or

1730
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,720
scheduled so late in the year that there's all these

1731
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:51,600
injuries and you're not even getting to see if it's

1732
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,720
going to be like A Magic pistons. Matchup they're. Not

1733
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:57,199
it's not happening at full. Strength, YEAH i.

1734
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:00,319
Speaker 3: Think LIKE i, GUESS i guess it goes back To

1735
01:24:00,399 --> 01:24:02,640
jordan or so people would say that where it's the

1736
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,840
league figured out through him that an individual is just

1737
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,319
way easier to market than a, team you, know instead of.

1738
01:24:09,399 --> 01:24:11,520
Laundry it's like here's a, Face like here's a guy

1739
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:15,319
that we can then mythologize and like build up as

1740
01:24:15,359 --> 01:24:18,399
something more than just a dude that wears the same certain.

1741
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,680
JERSEY i think that's part of. It we've never really

1742
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:24,920
gotten away from. That do you Not this is kind

1743
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:26,880
of a tangent, too but, like do you not find

1744
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:31,920
yourself not worrying but wondering what it's gonna be like

1745
01:24:32,279 --> 01:24:36,039
when we're through The steph lebron Kd era and like

1746
01:24:36,119 --> 01:24:39,319
what who the marquee guys in the league are? Going

1747
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:42,640
it's probably Just, wemby but like BECAUSE i find maybe

1748
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,720
it's just getting, older But i'm, like that's sad that

1749
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:46,479
those three.

1750
01:24:46,319 --> 01:24:49,079
Speaker 2: Guys are on the way out, right at various.

1751
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,319
Speaker 3: Stages of on the way, out and they've defined the

1752
01:24:51,399 --> 01:24:54,560
league for In lebron's, case twenty years and in the

1753
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,800
other guys like fifteen a good fifteen that do you

1754
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,199
not do you not catch Yourself LIKE i don't if

1755
01:25:00,199 --> 01:25:02,079
it's nostalgia or, whatever it's.

1756
01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:04,399
Speaker 1: NOSTALGIA i JUST i don't view, IT i guess as

1757
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:06,960
much of a crisis because there's still so much top

1758
01:25:07,079 --> 01:25:10,760
end talent and if you're exposed To, wemby but some

1759
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:14,039
of the other players who are insane or even it's

1760
01:25:14,079 --> 01:25:16,800
just why Does Jason tatum like have a Low like

1761
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,159
why is it having him as a top five? Player

1762
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:22,399
if Like Kevin duran And Lebron james are aging, Out,

1763
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,840
like why is he less of a draw than those?

1764
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,600
Guys it might be it maybe that speaks to like

1765
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:31,279
how younger people might be consuming or following the sports,

1766
01:25:31,279 --> 01:25:33,640
Specifically BUT i don't look at the league and think

1767
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:38,319
it's bereft of top end. Talent it's it's just there's. Nostalgica,

1768
01:25:38,399 --> 01:25:40,760
Yeah i'm getting sad that what DID i say this

1769
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:42,720
on the other parts Of lebron's battle to arthritis s

1770
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,079
And siadka in the same. SEASON i feel ancient and it's.

1771
01:25:45,119 --> 01:25:48,039
Sad but just knowing, that, well how many more seasons Of,

1772
01:25:48,119 --> 01:25:50,920
steph Of katie Of lebron do we? Have that that's

1773
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:53,640
a bummer for. Sure do you view it as it

1774
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:54,920
as a, Crisis.

1775
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 3: No because it's just the the someone steps in and

1776
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:02,920
it doesn't even matter if they're like objectively better than

1777
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,039
the previous, generation which probably they will, be because that's how progress.

1778
01:26:06,079 --> 01:26:09,359
Works but LIKE i think a lot now about how

1779
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,600
did you read that article about how like the whole

1780
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:16,680
mamba thing like ad campaign and whatever That kobe wound

1781
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,720
up with was originally planned For jordan and he didn't

1782
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,600
like it or something, happened and so they're like they

1783
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,840
trotted it back out For kobe years, later and he's, like,

1784
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,960
yeah and that's his whole that became like his entire.

1785
01:26:28,039 --> 01:26:31,520
Identity so that's just to say that like marketing can put,

1786
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,880
anybody you, know it's it's not like a it's not

1787
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:36,800
like a one to a perfect, fit like if you

1788
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,359
if you have A it's not like the league will

1789
01:26:39,399 --> 01:26:42,279
be bereft of, talent Right like someone will be the

1790
01:26:42,279 --> 01:26:44,439
best player in the league in five, years whoever that,

1791
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,319
is and we'll think of them that, way and it's you,

1792
01:26:47,359 --> 01:26:49,199
know it'll just it just there's a sense there's a

1793
01:26:49,239 --> 01:26:52,359
renewal that happens all the. Time and like kids that

1794
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,760
are ten and twelve years old right now that don't

1795
01:26:55,159 --> 01:26:58,439
have the same attachments and feelings Towards steph AND kd

1796
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:01,239
And lebron that we, Do they'll be, like it's perfectly

1797
01:27:01,279 --> 01:27:04,880
normal That Anthony edwards And Victor Wembin yama And Jason

1798
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:08,439
tatum And Kate cunningham are the guys for this.

1799
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 2: Generation that won't be weird to.

1800
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 1: THEM i do wonder how much of it could be

1801
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:18,800
because of the longevity OF kd And lebron And, steph

1802
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:22,600
like What yannis And jokic have been made us not feel,

1803
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,760
like have made us feel the renewal more than they even.

1804
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:29,680
Have because, now when you think about, IT i feel

1805
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:30,920
as if a lot of people will be, like, Oh

1806
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,399
wemby arrived in the nick of, time because LIKE kd

1807
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:35,199
And steph And lebron are on their way out And

1808
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:38,199
wemby's become the marquis viewing and It's we've Had giannis

1809
01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:40,840
And jokic for, like operating at the peak of their

1810
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,439
powers for a decade or more at this. Point but

1811
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:47,159
Because lebron And STEPHAN kd have been, around are they

1812
01:27:47,239 --> 01:27:49,359
part of? This are a lot of the guys Part

1813
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,039
even if you wanted to Throw Donovan mitchel Or tatum himself,

1814
01:27:52,239 --> 01:27:54,560
in there have been a part of this weird in

1815
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:58,920
between range where you needed the someone new as these

1816
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:02,079
guys were. Exiting and that's Why Victor, WEBBIN i, Mean

1817
01:28:02,119 --> 01:28:04,800
Victor mbanyama is. Incredible but is he such a breath

1818
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,840
of fresh air because he's coming at a time when

1819
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,640
fans THE nba have no choice but to come to

1820
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:16,960
terms with the, departures the career mortalities Of, Lebron katie And. Steph,

1821
01:28:17,079 --> 01:28:17,720
yeah that's.

1822
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,279
Speaker 3: An interesting aspect of. IT i guess the counter would be, like,

1823
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:24,840
well isn't this generations like top class gonna play eighteen

1824
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:25,520
or twenty years?

1825
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 2: Too like why Wouldn't why wouldn't they.

1826
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:32,119
Speaker 1: Already that that generation's? Class your Kidchen giannis are in their. Thirties,

1827
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:33,960
Yeah Don mitchell'll say the same.

1828
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 3: Deal, well but, then SO i do think what does

1829
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,760
resonate with me is is THE O wemby's arriving at

1830
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:41,640
the right time type of. Thing is not so much

1831
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:43,479
because we got to have a face of the league

1832
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,279
type of. Thing it's more that we were due for

1833
01:28:46,399 --> 01:28:49,960
someone that would change the sport Because curry did that

1834
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,920
and now the sport is very different and because like

1835
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,760
he did stuff that just wasn't, done and Wembin yama

1836
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,000
is one hundred percent in that mold where he just

1837
01:28:59,119 --> 01:29:01,840
does things that weren't not done before and so who

1838
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,479
knows which direction the game will go because of. That Before,

1839
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:07,720
steph you could make the case that it Was jordan

1840
01:29:08,079 --> 01:29:13,159
that just like the idea of the THE i don't

1841
01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:15,760
know it just the pure shooting guard like The helios

1842
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,479
whatever whatever it was magic kind Of before, that there's

1843
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:21,600
always a guy LIKE i don't know what the average

1844
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:25,039
year like time span is between the, like, oh he

1845
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:28,399
that's different type of. Guy wemby feels like the first

1846
01:29:28,399 --> 01:29:32,520
player Since steph that like that label applies To do.

1847
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 1: You agree with?

1848
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:33,119
Speaker 2: That?

1849
01:29:33,159 --> 01:29:35,399
Speaker 3: Like is there Someone i'm missing Between steph And? Wemby

1850
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,840
that sort of Forced harden had.

1851
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:38,079
Speaker 2: A hand in.

1852
01:29:38,159 --> 01:29:40,520
Speaker 1: It when you look At helio, centrism.

1853
01:29:40,159 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe maybe he well or that that never won you,

1854
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:49,159
anything that didn't win. Anything it's like The steph. Thing

1855
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:51,760
they want a first class ticket.

1856
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 1: TO la out of. Doubt he hasn't won shit.

1857
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:58,199
Speaker 3: Either, YEAH i THINK i Think wemby has arrived at

1858
01:29:58,199 --> 01:29:59,640
the right time in that. Sense should We, okay we

1859
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:01,279
got to. IT i wanted to do this other, one

1860
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:03,279
and we're gonna have to brainstorm here Because this is

1861
01:30:03,279 --> 01:30:07,640
a really good question also FROM. Bjp which current bench

1862
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:10,760
slash role player is most likely to take The Derek

1863
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,960
white leap parenthetical a star but not in the conventional

1864
01:30:15,039 --> 01:30:15,800
ball dominant.

1865
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 2: Way So Derek white is.

1866
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 3: We are The, celtics talk him up playing The, celtics

1867
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:25,760
came from The, spurs had a cool dunk in A

1868
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:26,880
spurs playoff series one.

1869
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:28,279
Speaker 2: Time that was my first real memory of.

1870
01:30:28,359 --> 01:30:32,279
Speaker 3: HIM i don't know what The Derek white leap is

1871
01:30:32,359 --> 01:30:37,520
other than to say he established himself as someone that

1872
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:41,319
is hugely impactful on winning on both, ends but no

1873
01:30:41,319 --> 01:30:43,319
one would call him a. Star but then you look

1874
01:30:43,359 --> 01:30:44,960
up most of the catch alls and he's like a

1875
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:47,800
top ten guy, more you, know as often as.

1876
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 2: Not AND i don't, KNOW i don't know what.

1877
01:30:52,079 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 3: That it's a hard it's a hard mold to sort

1878
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:58,079
of like cast somebody. In but maybe the better question

1879
01:30:58,199 --> 01:31:02,000
is just who becomes someone that's like wildly impactful on

1880
01:31:02,079 --> 01:31:05,520
winning that no one views as a star now or

1881
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:08,720
even after that change. Happens you just got to kind

1882
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:11,479
of go through the players you like that seem. UNDERRATED

1883
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:13,119
i don't know who do you have somebody in? Mind

1884
01:31:13,159 --> 01:31:13,960
As i'm vamping.

1885
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 1: Here, well it's also because you're kind of look at

1886
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:19,800
maybe a player who's scaling, forward maybe like Because Derek

1887
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:21,760
white was not this high volume of a three point

1888
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,880
shooter before he went To. Boston wasn't even this level

1889
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:26,239
of a SHOT i, mean this season is not the best.

1890
01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:29,560
Example wasn't even this level of a shot maker the

1891
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,000
one that springs to. Mind and it's also interesting because

1892
01:31:32,039 --> 01:31:33,960
he might need to change teams for it to. Happen

1893
01:31:34,039 --> 01:31:37,279
when you look at their makeup would be Caseon wallace For,

1894
01:31:37,319 --> 01:31:40,600
okay as he's already that guy in the sense of

1895
01:31:41,119 --> 01:31:43,880
look at all he does defensively SHOULDERS i would say

1896
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,760
the heaviest load aside from anyone not Named Lou dort

1897
01:31:47,119 --> 01:31:50,439
on that. Team and then there was When shay was

1898
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:53,039
injured along With jay dub being injured and Aj mitchell was,

1899
01:31:53,039 --> 01:31:55,279
injured there was that brief pocket of time where he

1900
01:31:55,319 --> 01:31:57,880
needed to do more offensively and it, was, oh he

1901
01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:59,720
can do things off the, dribble he can do more

1902
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:03,920
pa and he's he's similar To Derek white as, well

1903
01:32:04,359 --> 01:32:06,680
not the way That Derek he's not getting these chased

1904
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:10,439
down blocks in, transition but he's a shaky shooter And

1905
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:14,359
Derek white wasn't the most efficient shooter coming over From San.

1906
01:32:14,399 --> 01:32:17,720
ANTONIO i do look At Cason wallace as someone who

1907
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:20,479
is maybe he's doing more than just hitting wide open

1908
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:24,439
threes in the corners. OFFENSIVELY i don't know if it

1909
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:26,439
was different With Derek white because The spurs did kind

1910
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:29,359
of give him the. Opportunity he's already be doing too, much,

1911
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:33,640
Right Derek white broadened his, horizons but while scaling. DOWN

1912
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,680
i Think Cason wallace has to do. BOTH i could

1913
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:39,119
see him broadening his, horizons but he's gonna need to scale,

1914
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:42,560
up specifically. Offensively HE i think he's my.

1915
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,319
Speaker 3: Pick, OKAY i have a couple as looking SO i

1916
01:32:45,359 --> 01:32:47,800
was just kind of BECAUSE i got myself on a

1917
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,399
on a train of thought with How Derek white is

1918
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:53,439
just always like AN epm or. Whatever he's all, whatever catch,

1919
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:55,760
all he's always up. High someone that has shown up

1920
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:58,840
a couple of years in a row that kind of

1921
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,920
feels like they've fallen to the same category of the.

1922
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,399
Numbers say this guy is a superstar impact, wise but

1923
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:05,319
nobody would think of him that.

1924
01:33:05,359 --> 01:33:08,079
Speaker 2: Way what About Ti? Jerome Because Ty jerome right, now

1925
01:33:08,199 --> 01:33:11,439
AN epm is right Between luca And kawhi ahead Of.

1926
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 1: Kawhi that's not a cumulative stat, like, no, no it's.

1927
01:33:15,039 --> 01:33:16,279
Speaker 2: Not he barely.

1928
01:33:16,319 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 3: Plays so that's the other element of like he missed

1929
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:22,199
the vast majority of this year with an. Injury but

1930
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:25,399
just that's one avenue towards finding the Next Derek white is,

1931
01:33:25,399 --> 01:33:27,399
like who keeps showing up in some of these?

1932
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 2: METRICS i DON'T i don't love that.

1933
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:33,039
Speaker 1: Answer do you think the Next Derek white Was? Nikila Alexander?

1934
01:33:33,079 --> 01:33:37,159
Speaker 2: Walker Already he's already done? IT i mean preaching to the.

1935
01:33:37,199 --> 01:33:41,199
Speaker 3: Choir nothing's been more gratifying Than Alexander walker showing out this.

1936
01:33:41,279 --> 01:33:44,560
Speaker 2: Year love? It, uh that's that's actually, yeah has he

1937
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:47,000
already done? It? That that would? Be that would be?

1938
01:33:47,039 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 3: Somebody what ABOUT i had? Somebody Konk nipple's like too,

1939
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:55,359
good too. Fast he's already a star looking scrolling. Down

1940
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:59,520
oh what About Jalen. Suggs that's another like amabity.

1941
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 1: Thing that's a good. ONE i do wonder, though does the,

1942
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:07,079
money like him getting paid out of the, gate like

1943
01:34:07,199 --> 01:34:09,439
he's not A max but like getting the one hundred

1944
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:12,600
fifty million dollars. DEAL i wonder if that changes the

1945
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,680
way that he's. Viewed and also everyone seems to know

1946
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:17,680
how oh is he his shot is still so? Rickety

1947
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,359
but every onoff metric says That joe And zuggs is

1948
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:23,159
and is he ever gonna have the counting stats to

1949
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:25,239
be as high up in The where is? He typically

1950
01:34:25,279 --> 01:34:27,760
you you're more in tune WITH epm THAN.

1951
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:32,039
Speaker 2: I he's high. Ish but but it's not like you

1952
01:34:32,079 --> 01:34:33,479
gotta scroll down a little, bit.

1953
01:34:35,079 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 1: Aj. Mitchell are people already game thunder Players Brooks. BARNHEISER

1954
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:40,680
i mean they're all.

1955
01:34:41,279 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 3: Well they do at least have the white wasn't like

1956
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:48,960
hidden on the spurs that that's not quite right because

1957
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,319
they had so many good guys ahead of, him that's.

1958
01:34:51,319 --> 01:34:54,119
Speaker 2: There like a man like what About cada In? BOSTON

1959
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:57,279
i was, thinking, like DOES i Guess edie is?

1960
01:34:57,319 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 1: Too, ooh that's like you understand?

1961
01:35:00,079 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 2: Good, oh here's.

1962
01:35:02,039 --> 01:35:06,439
Speaker 1: You i'm, sorry here's. One maybe this is gonna say

1963
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:08,199
a lot about you depending on your reaction to this,

1964
01:35:08,279 --> 01:35:10,680
Answer Brandon, Pajemski.

1965
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 2: Let's see it's maybe.

1966
01:35:18,039 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 3: MAYBE i MEAN i said Tied, Jerome SO i can't

1967
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:22,640
sit here and like really shoot down your.

1968
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:25,239
Speaker 2: Suggestions what does that look like to? You? What? What

1969
01:35:25,319 --> 01:35:26,000
how does He.

1970
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:29,319
Speaker 1: Honestly it looks like basically what he is. NOW i,

1971
01:35:29,399 --> 01:35:32,239
don't for the life of me know when the last

1972
01:35:32,279 --> 01:35:36,000
TIME i was higher on a good player than their

1973
01:35:36,039 --> 01:35:39,039
own fan. Base isn't it supposed to Work warriors? Fans?

1974
01:35:39,119 --> 01:35:41,760
Really is? It Because Joe lakeup thought he was gonna

1975
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,680
be on The mount rushmore of ALL nba players or

1976
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:47,840
SOME i don't what is it? About, YES i know

1977
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:51,960
he has the egregious shots, sometimes but what is it

1978
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:56,359
about pods that has made him so divisive Within warriors?

1979
01:35:56,399 --> 01:36:00,600
Fandom SO i think he's he's not There Derek, white

1980
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:03,079
but he's The Derek white type of gap. Filler To

1981
01:36:03,359 --> 01:36:07,119
Derek white has a dominant, skill but it's it's a micro.

1982
01:36:07,239 --> 01:36:09,319
Skill like what Is Derek white's dominant? Skill he was

1983
01:36:09,399 --> 01:36:12,079
first Team all he's he can make first Team all.

1984
01:36:12,119 --> 01:36:14,479
Defense that's not fair With Derek. White but he's a

1985
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:15,920
gap filler like what Is?

1986
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:20,319
Speaker 3: Yeah go, Ahead so, NO i think the core, difference

1987
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:23,560
AND i was prepared to serve you the cocktail of

1988
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:27,439
unlikable qualities That warriors fans fixate on with With, pajemski

1989
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:28,039
many of WHICH i.

1990
01:36:28,039 --> 01:36:29,239
Speaker 2: Share we could do that.

1991
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 3: LATER i think the fundamental difference between him And white

1992
01:36:34,119 --> 01:36:38,520
is you could make make the case that what Makes

1993
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:42,720
white so good is quick diagnosis of what is necessary

1994
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:45,319
right now in this game, situation AND i do it,

1995
01:36:45,399 --> 01:36:48,439
quickly whether that's a, shot a pat like a connective,

1996
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:51,840
pass a drive like oh, shit like he's six' four

1997
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:53,920
and he just came out of nowhere for an incredible block.

1998
01:36:54,159 --> 01:36:56,159
Speaker 2: Like that like the quick the quick.

1999
01:36:56,079 --> 01:37:02,119
Speaker 3: Diagnosing and addressing of on, Court situations pajemski is awful.

2000
01:37:02,399 --> 01:37:06,680
At that he like the Shorthand is warriors fans hate

2001
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:08,920
that he pounds the dribble, too much and it's just

2002
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:13,520
because his processing speed on most things is too slow

2003
01:37:14,159 --> 01:37:16,359
or he's. Always made it's it's not that he like

2004
01:37:16,399 --> 01:37:20,000
does he he waits too long to do the simple,

2005
01:37:20,079 --> 01:37:22,520
obvious thing which is like make the quick pass or

2006
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,399
or catch. And drive there's too much like hemming and

2007
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:27,960
hawing in, his GAME and i think that is one

2008
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,359
of the ingredients in the cocktail Of why warriors fans

2009
01:37:30,399 --> 01:37:32,520
are so annoyed by him AND why i would push

2010
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:35,520
back on him Having The derek white like just get

2011
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:39,399
him on a winner. Or something and because, In fairness

2012
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:41,760
pods does have like some of the some of the

2013
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,680
catch all metrics and on off stuff have liked him over.

2014
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 1: The years but by the way that this is stat

2015
01:37:48,039 --> 01:37:50,560
when we were talking about his extension the, other day

2016
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:52,279
in an Episode that i'm referencing that isn't going to

2017
01:37:52,359 --> 01:37:55,199
go live, for days he has logged over the past

2018
01:37:55,199 --> 01:37:57,920
three years twenty five hundred Minutes without Steph Or draymond

2019
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,720
green on. The court that is two point five times

2020
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:03,359
more than anybody else During That moses moody, a second

2021
01:38:03,399 --> 01:38:05,079
And the warriors have won. Those, minutes.

2022
01:38:05,359 --> 01:38:08,520
Speaker 3: Yeah amazing there's there's, like you there's a ton of

2023
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:12,319
numbers that say he's, a helpful winning player just to

2024
01:38:12,319 --> 01:38:16,119
do the quick. And DIRTY like I think warriors fans

2025
01:38:16,159 --> 01:38:18,960
are annoyed BY what i mentioned with the ball stopping

2026
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:20,840
and the pounding, the dribble and, they're like are we.

2027
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 2: Pivoting the for the fifteenth time on this possession? Right

2028
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:24,680
now like that kind.

2029
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:28,399
Speaker 3: OF thing i think, the demeanor the complaining to, the

2030
01:38:28,399 --> 01:38:31,319
officials the like put upon kind of vibe that he

2031
01:38:31,359 --> 01:38:33,199
has sometimes really does rub people the.

2032
01:38:33,239 --> 01:38:34,560
Speaker 2: Wrong way and the.

2033
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 3: Third is the Hair does it's stupid HAIR and i

2034
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,000
hate it and he needs to cut it and that's

2035
01:38:40,039 --> 01:38:43,039
not a. Good look that's that's probably honestly ninety percent

2036
01:38:43,079 --> 01:38:44,760
of What most warriors fans just like is?

2037
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:48,039
Speaker 1: The hair did you have anybody else on that list

2038
01:38:48,039 --> 01:38:49,079
that those are two really? Good?

2039
01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:52,239
Speaker 3: Questions, YEAH no I now i just want to spend

2040
01:38:52,279 --> 01:38:54,800
all the time on like looking FOR the i mean

2041
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,119
It's probably, duce, McBride right is that the next the

2042
01:38:57,159 --> 01:38:57,720
next guy.

2043
01:38:57,640 --> 01:38:59,520
Speaker 1: That that's not a. Bad one He's made he's made

2044
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:01,439
himself a lot of money by being injured Because the

2045
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:02,119
knicks clearly.

2046
01:39:02,199 --> 01:39:02,760
Speaker 2: Need him they.

2047
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:05,600
Speaker 1: Need it speaking Of, the knicks let's go to this

2048
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:09,479
next Question From frank ocean fifty nine to. Forty one

2049
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:13,640
how many minutes Do the knicks Need From mitchell robinson

2050
01:39:14,279 --> 01:39:18,159
per game in? The postseason here's. A Stat When mitchell

2051
01:39:18,239 --> 01:39:22,119
robinson plays twenty one minutes, or More the knicks are eleven.

2052
01:39:22,159 --> 01:39:24,199
And Four So mitchell robinson needs to play at least

2053
01:39:24,199 --> 01:39:27,720
twenty one minutes? Per Game is i've decided arbitrarily that's.

2054
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:32,640
Speaker 3: The number it's it's higher Than the knicks should feel

2055
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:37,000
comfortable about or that they can reasonably expect him.

2056
01:39:37,039 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 2: To play how many minutes do they need like to

2057
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:41,840
do what it's.

2058
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:43,640
Speaker 1: Going to be, matchup dependent because do you want to

2059
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:46,239
see them play more? Dual big those lineups have been okay?

2060
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:49,479
This year or is it are you just using him

2061
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:53,159
as your, backup five in which case. You can't how

2062
01:39:53,159 --> 01:39:54,800
many minutes do you need him to play? As well

2063
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:57,479
how do you Want carly towns to? PLAY less i

2064
01:39:57,479 --> 01:40:02,760
think twenty two twenty four feels like the sweet spot

2065
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:05,239
should give him time to play some dual. Big stuff, it,

2066
01:40:05,279 --> 01:40:10,039
Would Honestly and i'm also keking. In that i'm trying to.

2067
01:40:10,039 --> 01:40:12,800
Be realistic you might you want twenty five plus minutes

2068
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:14,319
form him and you're playing dual big all. The TIME

2069
01:40:14,359 --> 01:40:16,199
but i just don't think that he's gonna hold up.

2070
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:19,359
Under that it's not something he's ever had. To do do.

2071
01:40:19,239 --> 01:40:22,560
Speaker 3: You do you remember was he because he played six

2072
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:26,239
games in all three series that went six? Last postseason

2073
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:29,239
was he? Battling something was there? An Ankle was was

2074
01:40:29,239 --> 01:40:31,640
he playing hurt? LAST playoffs i can't remember if, There

2075
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:34,199
was like some it seems the sort of always is he.

2076
01:40:34,199 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 1: Was coming back from that ankle injury that cost him the.

2077
01:40:37,039 --> 01:40:40,800
Entire season right they he entered, this season they listed

2078
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:44,239
it as like not playing and that's right ankle. Injury managed.

2079
01:40:44,319 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 3: That's right so he played sixteen and a half minutes

2080
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:51,119
per Game, against detroit twenty point Seven, against boston then

2081
01:40:51,159 --> 01:40:54,159
twenty four and a half Against. THE pacers i think

2082
01:40:54,159 --> 01:40:57,439
you're bet it has to BE twenty, i think and

2083
01:40:57,640 --> 01:40:59,600
depending on, the matchup it might need to be closer

2084
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:01,359
to that two twenty five ish that he Played against

2085
01:41:01,359 --> 01:41:02,640
indiana In the conference finals.

2086
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:03,920
Speaker 2: Last year but if.

2087
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:07,079
Speaker 1: They're Playing, the celtics maybe they need ten from him

2088
01:41:07,079 --> 01:41:09,920
Because joems wool is gonna intentionally foul him immediately out.

2089
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:12,359
The gate that's the other thing that you have to

2090
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:15,479
factor into. The, Equation yeah i'm trying.

2091
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:18,159
Speaker 3: To think now we're just, thinking matchups like but does

2092
01:41:18,199 --> 01:41:20,520
his offensive rebounding give you a huge Advantage?

2093
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:22,399
Speaker 2: Against boston does.

2094
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:24,920
Speaker 3: His presence in the middle matter For a boston team

2095
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:27,039
that just shoots jump shots all the time? Like, THAT

2096
01:41:27,159 --> 01:41:29,840
you i don't know that'd be a. FASCINATING matchup i

2097
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:32,079
think you're right that it's got to. Be low you're

2098
01:41:32,079 --> 01:41:34,119
not getting away with more than with less than like.

2099
01:41:34,199 --> 01:41:38,800
LOW twenties i don't think for the optimal postseason run For, the, knicks.

2100
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: No because then what IS your i don't know how

2101
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:43,239
many how many minutes You Want karlonthi. Town's playing his

2102
01:41:43,319 --> 01:41:45,840
defense's topsy turvy to. Begin with if you're Gonna Let

2103
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,880
karlnthi towns play a little more aggressively like, they have

2104
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:51,840
that's just gonna make him. More gassed so are you

2105
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:56,000
going to these lineups where og is your five Or

2106
01:41:56,039 --> 01:41:58,680
Is jeremy? Saleham playing you Can't be Ariel, hawk PORTY so.

2107
01:41:59,319 --> 01:42:02,720
I think and also the entire point of Load managing

2108
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:05,439
mitch the way they have this season needs to be

2109
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:08,359
that he can give you more than twenty minutes per

2110
01:42:08,399 --> 01:42:11,079
game of the postseason if you deem. It necessary not

2111
01:42:11,199 --> 01:42:13,520
that you have to because maybe some matchups or maybe

2112
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:15,840
you don't, want to but you that he should be.

2113
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,159
Able to and if, HE can't i don't know how

2114
01:42:18,199 --> 01:42:20,000
you pay him beyond. This Season?

2115
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 3: ALL right i thought this question was, not HERE but

2116
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:26,279
i just forgot how it, was Worded so I'M glad i.

2117
01:42:26,319 --> 01:42:27,560
Speaker 2: Found it this Is.

2118
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 3: From yoho everyone seems to be Doubting, the spurs mostly

2119
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:33,079
because they're not being a good historical comp. For them

2120
01:42:33,079 --> 01:42:35,399
if they win, The championship we've talked. About it you

2121
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:38,960
got to win a playoff series as as constructed within

2122
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:41,199
the last like three years to really be viewed as a.

2123
01:42:41,239 --> 01:42:44,680
Title threat but the historical comp is right under our

2124
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:48,000
nose than Ninety nine spurs led to the title by

2125
01:42:48,039 --> 01:42:51,800
a young and professionally Inexperienced Big tim duncan who provided

2126
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:55,520
more defensive than. Offensive Value fair Duncan Was First TEAM

2127
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:58,439
all nba, that Year which wenby probably should be, this

2128
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:01,079
year so we he. Plays enough the team instruction was

2129
01:43:01,119 --> 01:43:04,359
different with an aging star Talking About. David robinson what

2130
01:43:04,399 --> 01:43:07,359
do you guys think is the Ninety nine spurs the

2131
01:43:07,359 --> 01:43:10,079
best historical comp For this spurs team if they win.

2132
01:43:10,119 --> 01:43:13,880
The chip it's an interesting comparison With with duncan In the.

2133
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:15,600
Speaker 2: Wemby ROLE.

2134
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:20,359
Speaker 3: As i was looking, this up though every other starter

2135
01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:24,640
was at least thirty on on. That team and that

2136
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:27,359
was also a, lockout year which is so easy. To

2137
01:43:27,399 --> 01:43:29,960
forget is basically a, bubble title is what.

2138
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:30,840
Speaker 2: You're saying it's basically a.

2139
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:33,319
Speaker 3: Bubble title and that Twenty twenty lakers team is the

2140
01:43:33,359 --> 01:43:36,319
only team to not have a playoff series win before winning,

2141
01:43:36,359 --> 01:43:39,680
The title so so. There's, that also lockout user, is

2142
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:43,319
weird and it's one small sample to who knows what

2143
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:46,479
kind of shape guys. Are in that's the year they Beat, the,

2144
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,880
knicks right And the knicks were an eight seed that made,

2145
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:51,880
the finals so or something wasn't?

2146
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:52,600
Speaker 2: THAT right i think that.

2147
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 1: Was, it Also does wenby Have A. David robinson that's the.

2148
01:43:56,880 --> 01:44:00,600
Speaker 2: Other Thing, luke cornett we, love you but. You're not

2149
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:03,840
you're not one of the six greatest centers of all time.

2150
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:06,880
Or whatever it is one of the greatest defensive players

2151
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:08,880
to ever play. The sport just a total.

2152
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:12,319
Speaker 3: Freak, Out yeah robinson was not at his apex then

2153
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:15,119
because he was over thirty like everybody else that played

2154
01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:18,680
significant minutes For that. Spurs team but he Was Not luke,

2155
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:23,279
Cornett EITHER so i don't think it's that there are

2156
01:44:23,319 --> 01:44:25,760
some parallels just the Youth Of wemben Yama.

2157
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 2: Versus duncan i'll Bet you duncan, was older by, the

2158
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,680
way in that rookie year Than then wenby. Is NOW

2159
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:36,560
but i have another team. In mind curious.

2160
01:44:36,199 --> 01:44:39,319
Speaker 3: If you have a team That this spurs squad reminds,

2161
01:44:39,319 --> 01:44:41,199
you of or, it's, like oh this is the path

2162
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:45,560
that they could take to, them, winning WELL it's i

2163
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:49,720
don't think. That's, realistic okay, but like do they remind you?

2164
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:51,079
Speaker 2: Of anybody.

2165
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:56,159
Speaker 1: Could? It be is it That first thunder team that

2166
01:44:56,199 --> 01:44:59,239
made the finals and then got Trucked? BY miami i

2167
01:44:59,239 --> 01:45:02,960
didn't even think of that Twelve right Thunder with Harden

2168
01:45:03,039 --> 01:45:04,079
and Russ and SURGE.

2169
01:45:04,159 --> 01:45:04,279
Speaker 2: And.

2170
01:45:04,359 --> 01:45:07,079
Speaker 1: Kd nicholson obviously.

2171
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:10,479
Speaker 2: Obviously, in hindsight. Doesn't it did it feel at the

2172
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:13,119
time like.

2173
01:45:12,199 --> 01:45:13,199
Speaker 1: They were going to make any?

2174
01:45:13,199 --> 01:45:13,439
Speaker 2: More?

2175
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:18,319
Speaker 3: Appearances, well yeah the five finals. Appearances minimum but if in,

2176
01:45:18,359 --> 01:45:23,720
my Memory like westbrook And certainly durant and even like

2177
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:30,279
all those guys felt more Established, Than, Castle, Harper champagnee

2178
01:45:30,279 --> 01:45:32,319
like those guys felt more like.

2179
01:45:33,159 --> 01:45:35,640
Speaker 1: They were in the little for A few, i mean

2180
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:37,560
when you're looking at who was, the youngest It was

2181
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:40,600
hardened and he had been Or Maybe hardened russ were

2182
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:42,000
at the same time they'd been in. The league hard

2183
01:45:42,119 --> 01:45:44,800
was gonna? Be extensional is what was? Year? FOUR yeah

2184
01:45:45,359 --> 01:45:48,640
i Mean the fox is more established than any of

2185
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:51,760
those guys that were Like dearon fox is THE like

2186
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:55,359
i guess it's Different because wemby's still so early into,

2187
01:45:55,359 --> 01:45:59,000
His CAREER but i don't THINK it's i THINK it's

2188
01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:00,439
i don't know how close it but that would Be,

2189
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:03,600
my yeah that's hard because If the spurs make it

2190
01:46:03,640 --> 01:46:06,439
to the conference finals or get bounced in the finals or,

2191
01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:09,479
the conferences is it your reflexive thought gonna be oh they'll.

2192
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:12,800
Speaker 3: Be back, oh, Yeah absolutely i'll, be, like well that

2193
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:15,000
was supposed, to happen and next year it's for, you

2194
01:46:15,039 --> 01:46:18,600
know then now it's all bets. ARE off I did

2195
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:21,199
i did think a little bit about the Thirteen, fourteen

2196
01:46:21,279 --> 01:46:24,960
warriors which was the one That the CLIPPERS beat i

2197
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:27,439
think in the second round maybe.

2198
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:28,119
Speaker 2: Or might have been the.

2199
01:46:28,119 --> 01:46:30,960
Speaker 3: First round it was the last Year before skerr, took

2200
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:33,359
over so that's A bad i don't Think the spurs

2201
01:46:33,399 --> 01:46:35,479
are being held back by a coach that doesn't know

2202
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:37,960
what to do with his offense Like the. Warriors WERE

2203
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:42,279
but i do think there's something there is a, possibility,

2204
01:46:42,279 --> 01:46:45,079
that Like because wemby is such a one, OF one

2205
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:47,960
i don't know if they've figured out like what the

2206
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:49,439
best way to deploy.

2207
01:46:49,159 --> 01:46:50,920
Speaker 2: Him is in a lot of in a lot.

2208
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:53,760
Speaker 3: Of instances so there's that like that idea that like

2209
01:46:54,279 --> 01:46:56,760
they're kind of still fighting with a hand tied behind,

2210
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:59,079
their back which was the sense that you got With,

2211
01:46:59,119 --> 01:47:01,079
the Warriors with Steph and clay and like not a

2212
01:47:01,079 --> 01:47:03,680
lot of high, volume threes And Like david lee's role

2213
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:06,720
was still really Big before draymond. Really popped so like

2214
01:47:07,319 --> 01:47:08,399
there's something there's some.

2215
01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:09,560
Speaker 2: OF that, i think.

2216
01:47:11,039 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 3: Just the idea that like there's something here, for sure it's.

2217
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:17,560
Like undeniable And The wemby's steph parallels are are, pretty

2218
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:21,920
solid but like they haven't quite. Dialed in they haven't

2219
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:24,479
like got all the dials turned to the right. Settings

2220
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:28,680
yet but like somewhere in there is something potentially great.

2221
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:32,199
That other but like there's, so many THERE'S so, i mean,

2222
01:47:32,279 --> 01:47:35,279
maybe look if you're making the case For the spurs

2223
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:38,960
winning the title, this year you're hoping that there is

2224
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:41,239
no Historical comp you're hoping that this is this is

2225
01:47:41,239 --> 01:47:44,119
the thing we refer back to the next time an

2226
01:47:44,199 --> 01:47:46,960
upstart team looks many years ahead.

2227
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:48,479
Speaker 2: OF schedule i think that's probably what.

2228
01:47:48,520 --> 01:47:54,560
Speaker 1: You want let's do this Question From. Cosmic raccoon i'm

2229
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:57,680
very curious to know your answer to. This one qui

2230
01:47:57,720 --> 01:47:59,640
has been playing like one of the three or four

2231
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:01,760
best play players in the league since His. Return factory

2232
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:05,840
in Which return factory and matchups Which top west seed

2233
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:08,439
do you think He and eclips have a better chance

2234
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:11,920
of Upsetting the spurs Or The Oklahoma. City thunder the

2235
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:13,560
fact that this is even a question.

2236
01:48:14,319 --> 01:48:19,239
Speaker 3: IS insane, i mean they don't have a real shot

2237
01:48:19,239 --> 01:48:25,359
at upsetting either. OF them i don't think you.

2238
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:26,520
Speaker 2: You know I'm gonna i'm gonna give. AN answer i,

2239
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:28,800
WOULD say i would SAY.

2240
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:31,720
Speaker 3: It's I think i have to say they're more likely

2241
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:33,359
to Upset the Spurs.

2242
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 2: The thunder just have.

2243
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:40,520
Speaker 3: If it's possible to have the right or enough guys

2244
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:45,920
to Throw at kawhi Defensively the, THUNDER habit, i think

2245
01:48:47,039 --> 01:48:50,319
like that defense is just so ridiculous if, they're healthy

2246
01:48:50,319 --> 01:48:53,079
And Like jada profiles is a Pretty good, kawhi Guy

2247
01:48:53,199 --> 01:48:56,920
and dort for, That matter WALLACE even careu like they've

2248
01:48:56,920 --> 01:48:58,039
got the bodies to throw.

2249
01:48:58,079 --> 01:49:00,279
Speaker 2: At him AND then i just don't.

2250
01:49:00,359 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 3: REALLY know I Guess chris dunn helps to have if

2251
01:49:04,039 --> 01:49:07,079
we're just trying, to see like we're, talking upset nice

2252
01:49:07,079 --> 01:49:07,760
To Have chris DUNN.

2253
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:12,359
Speaker 2: Against, SGA yeah i, don't know.

2254
01:49:12,399 --> 01:49:14,520
Speaker 3: DO you I think i Think the spurs just feel

2255
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:17,840
like there's they're more prone to getting beat by The wild.

2256
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:20,279
Speaker 2: Clippers team but it's IT'S and i.

2257
01:49:20,279 --> 01:49:23,039
Speaker 1: Think the big deal deal there Is While steph castle

2258
01:49:23,079 --> 01:49:27,039
has been hitting. His Threes dylan harper. Now too you

2259
01:49:27,079 --> 01:49:29,239
could just if you really because there's no Answer for

2260
01:49:29,279 --> 01:49:32,119
wemby And the clippers are had They. Had zubots the

2261
01:49:32,119 --> 01:49:35,279
answer to me is Just the spurs if they, could

2262
01:49:35,279 --> 01:49:37,479
have like You kept Zubots, at garland You had kawhi.

2263
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:39,239
The answer, but Yeah, the spurs that makes. More sense

2264
01:49:39,239 --> 01:49:43,000
they could throw a bunch of Physicality at Wemby, Between

2265
01:49:43,039 --> 01:49:46,800
brook Lopez, and collins maybe you could. Get There isaiah

2266
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:49,159
jackson's thillse like some. Little BOUNCE but i think that

2267
01:49:49,319 --> 01:49:51,880
being able. To play feeling as if you could maybe

2268
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:55,520
play off of Guys, like Fox Like, dylan Harper Like,

2269
01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:58,760
steph CASTLE would I think i have. TO go i

2270
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:01,840
don't know if you feel that same About, the thunder

2271
01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:06,399
just because, like Shit, just shay there's like you're not

2272
01:50:06,439 --> 01:50:08,239
gonna play not that they're gonna play off, For shape.

2273
01:50:08,319 --> 01:50:10,720
You're not you could play off of some Of the

2274
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:15,000
spurs' primary. Ball handlers we know there's one primary ball

2275
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:17,119
handler and no o case that you cannot. Play off

2276
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:19,239
ye go under against whatever you want.

2277
01:50:19,239 --> 01:50:21,439
Speaker 3: To, DO yeah i mean as Great as kawhi has

2278
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:25,000
been the upset conversation is about a lot more, than

2279
01:50:25,079 --> 01:50:26,720
HIM because, i mean you can make The.

2280
01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:29,680
Speaker 1: Case spurs would be wild though, OH.

2281
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:31,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, i MEAN but i was, gonna say like.

2282
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:35,520
Speaker 3: He's the type of scorer that like he might just

2283
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:38,279
get his regardless like. It might, you know he's as

2284
01:50:38,399 --> 01:50:41,079
likely to light Up lou dort as he Is, cast

2285
01:50:41,159 --> 01:50:42,960
like it's just the types of shots that he. Can

2286
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:45,039
make those pull up two's are like they're going in

2287
01:50:45,119 --> 01:50:46,640
or they're not a lot of, the time you're not

2288
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:49,279
gonna be so physical with him that he shies away

2289
01:50:49,399 --> 01:50:51,720
or what like he's and it's just got more to

2290
01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:53,079
do with the, surrounding team.

2291
01:50:53,359 --> 01:50:55,920
Speaker 1: Right and as, even Aesthetically and I'M sure i would

2292
01:50:55,960 --> 01:51:00,199
bet it's statistically, like okay wemby this huge determin in.

2293
01:51:00,319 --> 01:51:03,920
The Interior the thunder also just feel like they will

2294
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:05,960
destroy you on the perimeter in ways That the. Spurs

2295
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:09,279
cannot and so Where the thunder could make those tough

2296
01:51:09,279 --> 01:51:12,640
shots either ensure more often that they don't happen because

2297
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:15,000
they've just turned, you over or to just the level

2298
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:17,279
of contests they're gonna get on them you don't have Like,

2299
01:51:17,319 --> 01:51:19,640
with Garland and, Kawhi specifically i'm looking at maybe. Even.

2300
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:22,560
Bennecmathern two you look at them, AND say i think

2301
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:25,359
they'd have a better chance of getting the shots That

2302
01:51:25,399 --> 01:51:27,319
the spurs would be willing to give up Off Than,

2303
01:51:27,359 --> 01:51:30,520
oklahoma city which doesn't really seem willing to concede much,

2304
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:32,039
of anything, Right?

2305
01:51:32,439 --> 01:51:32,560
Speaker 2: Right.

2306
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:35,920
Speaker 3: Yeah you the argument would, be, That like wemby's greatest

2307
01:51:36,199 --> 01:51:38,760
impact is the deterrent effect around, the Rim and kawhi

2308
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:41,720
wants to shoot seventeen footers or, you know twelve to

2309
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:45,000
seventeen footers at, his best And maybe wemby doesn't affect those.

2310
01:51:45,039 --> 01:51:47,520
AS much i would, also, say like maybe, He will

2311
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:50,680
maybe maybe he'll find a way to deter those kinds.

2312
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:53,520
Of shots, it's hard it's hard. To say, All right

2313
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:56,560
i'll do a quick. One here from all Grit Is jason?

2314
01:51:56,560 --> 01:52:00,000
Speaker 2: Tatum back how? FAR back i would say?

2315
01:52:00,359 --> 01:52:05,000
Speaker 3: FAR back I like i will not Could say i've

2316
01:52:05,039 --> 01:52:08,880
watched every minute of him since he's been back From,

2317
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:11,520
the achilles watched at. LEAST all i watched all the,

2318
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:15,239
first game which was a. MIXED bag i think He's

2319
01:52:15,279 --> 01:52:19,239
far he's farther BACK than i could have even like

2320
01:52:19,399 --> 01:52:22,279
most optimistically imagined at, this stage maybe that's the way to.

2321
01:52:22,279 --> 01:52:24,399
Put IT so i don't think he's the fourth or

2322
01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:25,399
fifth best player.

2323
01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:28,399
Speaker 2: In the league at. The moment it wouldn't.

2324
01:52:28,039 --> 01:52:30,520
Speaker 3: Shock me if we get into the playoffs and, we're

2325
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:34,680
like we're talking about how well he's pretty clearly back

2326
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:36,920
in the top, TEN again I think i think that's

2327
01:52:37,079 --> 01:52:39,920
that's on, the table assuming he's allowed to play as

2328
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:41,640
much as he. Wants to where are you at?

2329
01:52:41,680 --> 01:52:44,600
Speaker 1: On, Him yeah i've been the way he moves off

2330
01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:47,520
the ball, Right now i've been really. Impressed By the

2331
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:49,399
One thing i'm wondering if it's going to get there

2332
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:53,880
is we've talked about they don't have guys who are

2333
01:52:53,880 --> 01:52:56,479
gonna draw free throws, in volume and he had become

2334
01:52:56,520 --> 01:52:59,039
that guy. For them that's not happening. THIS year i

2335
01:52:59,039 --> 01:53:00,920
think is pretty clearly the way they're, using him and

2336
01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:04,000
even the way he looks on, the BALL and I just.

2337
01:53:04,479 --> 01:53:07,199
I'M curious i hope that's back next year because he

2338
01:53:07,239 --> 01:53:09,199
was a top five player in, the league top seven

2339
01:53:09,239 --> 01:53:10,760
player in, the league and that for a reason it

2340
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:13,119
was he had made that. Leap there that would be

2341
01:53:13,199 --> 01:53:16,039
my only a media quote, Unquote Concern but i'm with

2342
01:53:16,079 --> 01:53:18,279
YOU that i think he's. Looked GREAT if i had,

2343
01:53:18,319 --> 01:53:21,600
to say what could he peek at this season out of?

2344
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:22,680
Top ten might even feel a.

2345
01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:26,039
Speaker 3: Little, Ambitious, yeah, well like is he a better Player

2346
01:53:26,079 --> 01:53:26,920
Than jalen brown?

2347
01:53:27,039 --> 01:53:27,239
Speaker 2: Right?

2348
01:53:27,279 --> 01:53:30,760
Speaker 3: Now no, probably not. Probably NOT and i think at,

2349
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:31,920
his peak, to me it.

2350
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:34,800
Speaker 1: Was a better Player Than derek White's Lash. Brandon perjemski,

2351
01:53:35,159 --> 01:53:36,600
RIGHT now i.

2352
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:40,279
Speaker 3: Think, HE'S well i think he's still better than at

2353
01:53:40,359 --> 01:53:42,319
least in terms of how defenses have to think. About

2354
01:53:42,359 --> 01:53:44,600
him he's Better Than, Derek white but you're, You're right

2355
01:53:44,640 --> 01:53:48,439
like the percentages are, not there and he's getting to

2356
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:51,079
the foul line three times a game in twenty. Nine

2357
01:53:51,119 --> 01:53:54,319
minutes that's.

2358
01:53:53,199 --> 01:53:56,039
Speaker 1: It's like half his rate for thirty six minutes. LAST year, i, Think.

2359
01:53:56,000 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 3: Yeah AND he's, i, MEAN look I think i'm just

2360
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:03,279
still gonna Stick with like it's insane that he's looking

2361
01:54:03,319 --> 01:54:07,279
at like he does way less year removed From?

2362
01:54:07,279 --> 01:54:10,279
Speaker 1: The achilles are we done with? The Kill Like drew

2363
01:54:10,319 --> 01:54:13,319
smith came back in like a week basically After. His

2364
01:54:13,359 --> 01:54:14,399
achilles you.

2365
01:54:14,359 --> 01:54:18,319
Speaker 3: Remember like the craziest one in THE one i, Was Like,

2366
01:54:18,359 --> 01:54:20,560
wes matthews do you remember? That one like He, WAS

2367
01:54:20,760 --> 01:54:22,640
yeah i forget when, it happened but it was like

2368
01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:24,560
eight or NINE months, i think and he was just he.

2369
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:26,600
Speaker 1: Signed with well he first he signed With, the KINGS

2370
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:29,600
and i, was, like, whoa whoa maybe not he then

2371
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:31,520
went To. The MAVs, that's right, he was.

2372
01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:33,439
Speaker 2: That was that was the Benchmark for.

2373
01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:36,800
Speaker 1: He's witch this isn't a male. Bad question but Why

2374
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:40,520
Doesn't tyrese haliburn like? Playing? Basketball then why why has?

2375
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:41,800
He not he's had more than.

2376
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:44,119
Speaker 3: Enough, TIME well, i mean he knew he couldn't hit

2377
01:54:44,159 --> 01:54:46,079
the sixty five game threshold, This year so what was

2378
01:54:46,119 --> 01:54:47,600
the point that's the only time he.

2379
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:51,119
Speaker 2: PUT no, i, mean well here's.

2380
01:54:51,159 --> 01:54:53,199
Speaker 3: A question i wonder if he's like basically at the

2381
01:54:53,199 --> 01:54:55,800
same Stage that tatum is, REHAB wise i guess his

2382
01:54:55,960 --> 01:54:57,359
was was like close to two.

2383
01:54:57,399 --> 01:55:00,479
Speaker 2: Months later so. That's ridiculous, but, like right just.

2384
01:55:00,479 --> 01:55:03,000
Speaker 1: So he's not competitive enough to try And beat, tatum's

2385
01:55:03,039 --> 01:55:04,039
time that's.

2386
01:55:04,039 --> 01:55:06,119
Speaker 2: The problem, you're right he. Didn't heat you, know what

2387
01:55:06,279 --> 01:55:07,279
he doesn't want to think.

2388
01:55:07,279 --> 01:55:10,840
Speaker 1: Two months the playoffs, are long But The eastern conference.

2389
01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:13,680
Speaker 3: Semi finals, OH yeah i was thinking it Was like April,

2390
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:15,239
for tatum but it was it was later.

2391
01:55:15,279 --> 01:55:16,399
Speaker 2: Than that halburn was.

2392
01:55:16,359 --> 01:55:19,840
Speaker 3: Like, mid june so that one was game six as

2393
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:22,800
far as you. Can, go basically, all right you want

2394
01:55:22,840 --> 01:55:23,439
to tackle.

2395
01:55:23,279 --> 01:55:25,640
Speaker 1: These quick ones before. We do we have, that segment

2396
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:28,399
that great Question from nate coming up that inspired an.

2397
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:31,199
Entire segment but we have. These questions we'll Start with

2398
01:55:31,399 --> 01:55:35,880
candon twenty five. Ninety, one grant what is your preferred?

2399
01:55:36,039 --> 01:55:38,279
Advanced statistic.

2400
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:46,720
Speaker 3: The bad answer is you shouldn't just, use one cause speaking,

2401
01:55:46,720 --> 01:55:49,960
For myself i'm not smart enough to know whether one

2402
01:55:50,039 --> 01:55:52,119
is all that much better than. The other what's included

2403
01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:54,520
and excluded in all, Of them so use a lot.

2404
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:57,399
Of THEM if i had to, PICK one i really

2405
01:55:57,399 --> 01:55:59,960
DO like epm. The best if we're talking about like

2406
01:56:00,079 --> 01:56:05,159
vorp And RAPTOR, lebron bpm which is On On, basketball

2407
01:56:05,159 --> 01:56:09,159
reference that that that gets used. A lot i THINK

2408
01:56:09,199 --> 01:56:13,920
it's epm for. Me one it just seems like smart

2409
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:16,640
people in the industry tend to like the inputs and

2410
01:56:16,680 --> 01:56:19,560
outputs of. That one it does to me this is a,

2411
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:22,399
reverse engineering but it does seem like it reflects the

2412
01:56:22,439 --> 01:56:25,640
GUYS that i feel like are the best in. The

2413
01:56:25,720 --> 01:56:29,159
league like it tends to like retroactively line up with my,

2414
01:56:29,239 --> 01:56:30,800
Personal OPINIONS so i don't know.

2415
01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:33,800
Speaker 1: My, bias yeah my bias is.

2416
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:37,279
Speaker 3: THE best, i, mean well, you know like SOMETIMES like

2417
01:56:37,319 --> 01:56:40,239
pr is a good example. Of that still just really

2418
01:56:40,239 --> 01:56:43,319
loves guys that get a lot. Of rebounds uh and

2419
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:46,079
it just favors big men. For example like all of

2420
01:56:46,119 --> 01:56:49,720
these have their blind spots. And biases just, you know

2421
01:56:50,039 --> 01:56:54,159
use use your advanced, metrics responsibly please and make sure

2422
01:56:54,239 --> 01:56:56,520
you're you're mixing them with others would be what.

2423
01:56:56,560 --> 01:57:00,000
Speaker 1: I'D say i don't think it's as. MAINSTREAM anymore. EPMs

2424
01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:01,960
answer i don't use it as much as. You do

2425
01:57:02,079 --> 01:57:03,960
but it is the one THAT if i go, and

2426
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:05,640
look it's one of the FIRST ones i. GO to

2427
01:57:06,079 --> 01:57:10,439
i do like regularize adjusted plus minus R, a pm

2428
01:57:10,439 --> 01:57:12,439
just anything that's gonna try, and adjust so not only

2429
01:57:12,479 --> 01:57:15,560
account for the individual, player contributions but trying adjust for

2430
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:18,520
the lineups you're in and also the quality of the

2431
01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:20,680
opponents that you're facing and the work. THAT goes i

2432
01:57:20,680 --> 01:57:23,039
don't pretend to understand like how they go about doing.

2433
01:57:23,319 --> 01:57:26,079
All that EVEN uh R a pm has the time

2434
01:57:26,119 --> 01:57:29,880
decay and it and so that is it seems like

2435
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:33,079
nerds really would be called nerds really trust, That one

2436
01:57:33,119 --> 01:57:33,880
so that's another.

2437
01:57:34,279 --> 01:57:37,520
Speaker 3: Go to NOW one i Think Is jerry, engelman's right

2438
01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:39,640
LIKE that's i think he's, the one you know if

2439
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:42,359
you've been READING like espn over the years. AND others

2440
01:57:42,399 --> 01:57:44,520
i think he's worked for teams. Like that that's his.

2441
01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:47,079
HIS baby I think i Think It's. Taylor SNAr we

2442
01:57:47,079 --> 01:57:49,399
should shout these people out that runs dunks. AND threes

2443
01:57:49,880 --> 01:57:50,359
i think that's.

2444
01:57:50,399 --> 01:57:52,359
Speaker 2: THE name i. Can't remember duncsan threes is where YOU

2445
01:57:52,399 --> 01:57:53,520
get epm just and.

2446
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:57,920
Speaker 1: Dat data baller no e in baller AS the i

2447
01:57:57,920 --> 01:57:59,680
think that's the mainstream one that happen because R a

2448
01:57:59,720 --> 01:58:04,520
pm has been at a bunch of DIFFERENT places' rpm for. A,

2449
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:07,880
while yeah all kinds. OF stuff i HEARD someone i

2450
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:09,600
think told ME that espn was supposed to release like

2451
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:13,680
a new. CATCH all i haven't seen, anything. THOUGH neither

2452
01:58:14,039 --> 01:58:16,800
i will say this, isn't FAIR and i love the.

2453
01:58:16,840 --> 01:58:19,880
FOLKS over i think at b ball Index And kristin narseny.

2454
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:22,880
WAS excellent i don't trust metrics that are named after

2455
01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:27,359
A player lebron or a team raptor There. Was carmelo

2456
01:58:28,760 --> 01:58:33,479
well that's just now you're you're asking for Skepticism. After carmelo.

2457
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:37,560
Speaker 3: I'll ask this follow up Here from mattie l what's

2458
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:39,319
the one stat you would get? Rid of and is

2459
01:58:39,319 --> 01:58:42,079
there one you WOULD add.

2460
01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:43,840
Speaker 1: I would get. RID of I Love, john hollinger but,

2461
01:58:43,880 --> 01:58:45,479
we please for the Love, of god we got to

2462
01:58:45,479 --> 01:58:47,640
stop citing P. E, r yeah not.

2463
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:50,359
Speaker 2: The best i'll go.

2464
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:54,199
Speaker 3: MORE revolutionary I think i think we've reached a point

2465
01:58:54,680 --> 01:58:57,800
where field goal percentage we can just kind of dispense.

2466
01:58:57,880 --> 01:59:02,520
With it just just field, goal percentage because it's fundamentally

2467
01:59:03,159 --> 01:59:06,760
not a great quality of a stat if after being

2468
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:10,680
told the number that, it quantifies you then have to

2469
01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:12,720
look up at least one or two other things to

2470
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:15,239
see how meaningful. It is which so in the case

2471
01:59:15,279 --> 01:59:17,720
of field, goal PERCENTAGE like i, Don't Know DeAndre jordan

2472
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:20,720
shot seventy whatever percent from the field for like seven

2473
01:59:20,760 --> 01:59:23,840
straight YEARS in lobb With The Lob, city clippers The

2474
01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:27,479
best is he the best shooter in. THE league i don't,

2475
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:29,439
Think SO but i mean the ball goes in the

2476
01:59:29,439 --> 01:59:31,560
most when he. Shoots it so you have to look

2477
01:59:31,600 --> 01:59:34,600
at like true, shooting percentage effective field, goal percentage all

2478
01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:35,319
that stuff is just.

2479
01:59:35,359 --> 01:59:37,600
Speaker 1: Or even separate it between twos. And threes if you

2480
01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:39,720
want to do it, That way then do you cringe

2481
01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:41,680
a little bit when we still have To do if

2482
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:44,119
we're doing write ups At bleacher report and it's like

2483
01:59:44,159 --> 01:59:47,439
these player rankings and there's the structure, of no they're

2484
01:59:47,479 --> 01:59:49,159
not telling us about. To write but when we have

2485
01:59:49,239 --> 01:59:51,600
to put the per game lines in and we're still

2486
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:54,359
using field, GOAL percentage i hate myself a little bit

2487
01:59:54,399 --> 01:59:55,279
each TIME when i.

2488
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:59,279
Speaker 3: Think The thing, I'll do i'll do the shooting split

2489
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:01,560
just so you, at threes twos and free throws and

2490
02:00:01,600 --> 02:00:04,640
then like from there you can get a decent sense of,

2491
02:00:06,199 --> 02:00:07,720
true shooting which is really like what.

2492
02:00:07,760 --> 02:00:10,199
Speaker 2: You're after would you know what?

2493
02:00:10,199 --> 02:00:12,560
Speaker 1: A stat i would? Add though what and we have

2494
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:15,760
rimm deterrence is, out THERE but i want a stat

2495
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:19,119
like what are the blocks percentage of the blocks that

2496
02:00:19,159 --> 02:00:21,600
get just grabbed out Of the they're Called the wemby,

2497
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:23,920
ABDUCTION blocks i think Is what spurs fans, call them

2498
02:00:24,079 --> 02:00:27,319
or alien. BLOCKS whatever i want a, specific stat use

2499
02:00:27,399 --> 02:00:30,199
the alien or, abduction acronym and so that we could

2500
02:00:30,199 --> 02:00:32,479
know it's they didn't swat it into. The stands it's

2501
02:00:32,479 --> 02:00:35,560
not even just a term like like actually, Caught IT

2502
02:00:35,880 --> 02:00:37,840
like WHOA what? I want i want a stat, on,

2503
02:00:37,960 --> 02:00:39,920
THAT well i would all all.

2504
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:42,880
Speaker 3: Use this to, hawk fear which is the forced exits around,

2505
02:00:42,920 --> 02:00:45,600
the RIM which i. MADE up i haven't got the patent,

2506
02:00:45,640 --> 02:00:48,199
on that so steal it if you want be ball index.

2507
02:00:48,279 --> 02:00:51,439
OR whatever i would like that one, more seriously though

2508
02:00:52,119 --> 02:00:54,920
this exists, OUT there i haven't found a PLACE that

2509
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:58,119
I that i can readily access that. Has it but,

2510
02:00:58,279 --> 02:01:04,319
give me like a pl players shooting ability that, like

2511
02:01:04,359 --> 02:01:06,760
what don't give me field? Goal percentage give me how

2512
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:09,960
much better or worse is the player on this type

2513
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:14,640
of shot in this situation defended this way versus the.

2514
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:18,000
League average so it's like because then it's like shot making,

2515
02:01:18,119 --> 02:01:20,560
Ability almost so, it's, like okay.

2516
02:01:22,039 --> 02:01:28,359
Speaker 1: B ball index. Has that OKAY that, i, no no

2517
02:01:28,479 --> 02:01:31,039
it's but it's, not mainstream like to make, It, mainstream

2518
02:01:31,119 --> 02:01:33,439
like first, of all there's a fortune out there to

2519
02:01:33,439 --> 02:01:35,920
be made for someone who makes kind of the more

2520
02:01:35,960 --> 02:01:38,880
play type breaks down like zone defenses or a percentage of.

2521
02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:42,600
Double teams makes that accessible, to PEOPLE and i mean Accessible,

2522
02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:45,920
where okay it's, subscriber base but it doesn't cost three

2523
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:49,560
thousand dollars a month or Whatever the synergy subscription runs at.

2524
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:52,199
The moment but to your point with that, mean thing

2525
02:01:52,319 --> 02:01:56,399
it would be cool to have we have the match

2526
02:01:56,479 --> 02:01:59,199
up data where it's A player x shot, against PLAYING

2527
02:01:59,239 --> 02:02:01,239
but i don't. WANT that i want, to know like

2528
02:02:01,640 --> 02:02:05,199
what's their relative shooting percentage based on the quality of.

2529
02:02:05,239 --> 02:02:07,279
The defender it's not even the play type situation that

2530
02:02:07,279 --> 02:02:09,479
would that would be more, and like can we can

2531
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:12,880
we pin down actual Contests, not oh this player was

2532
02:02:12,920 --> 02:02:15,039
the closest at ten, feet away so he's listed as

2533
02:02:15,079 --> 02:02:16,199
the problem defender up.

2534
02:02:16,199 --> 02:02:18,479
Speaker 2: This, show yeah that's the tracking data stuff is.

2535
02:02:18,520 --> 02:02:21,800
Speaker 3: TRICKY there i would also say we need more uniformity

2536
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:26,239
in how each arena classifies shot locations because you certain

2537
02:02:26,479 --> 02:02:31,279
teams like do either do like generally don't categorize shots

2538
02:02:31,279 --> 02:02:33,840
as like at the rim for. Their defense very often

2539
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:36,800
they'll call them. Something else there's there's it seems like Pretty.

2540
02:02:36,920 --> 02:02:40,039
Wild westie still in terms of like a human decided

2541
02:02:40,079 --> 02:02:43,800
that that attempt was an at the rim attempt when

2542
02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:45,920
it was like a seven foot floater or something or.

2543
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:47,279
Speaker 2: Vice versa don't. Love that.

2544
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:53,520
Speaker 1: Let's do superpowers. Grant name this Is from nate and

2545
02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:55,880
they said it'd be a. Fun exercise they could be

2546
02:02:55,880 --> 02:02:58,960
a fun segment be talking about superpowers of the top.

2547
02:02:59,000 --> 02:03:02,760
Ten players uh that cut like that come? To mind

2548
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:05,720
so when giving you an Example of Wemby Or steph

2549
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:08,800
so we took some liberties Here they nate also said

2550
02:03:08,800 --> 02:03:11,359
it'd also be cool to see some. Niche superpower so we're.

2551
02:03:11,359 --> 02:03:15,359
Gonna do let's do NAME that nba. Player superpower, let's alter.

2552
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:19,000
Let's go we'll do two stars and a niche and

2553
02:03:19,079 --> 02:03:21,159
go and go. That WAY so i will give you

2554
02:03:21,239 --> 02:03:24,479
THE first nba. Player superpower.

2555
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Speaker 2: Let's see WHO do i? Want, to.

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Speaker 3: Boy there's a lot of good. Ones here, Uh, one

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02:03:31,680 --> 02:03:36,239
okay this is one of my. Favorite ones so he

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counts as. A Star So tyres maxi has a wrong

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footed runner that because he's so fast and because like

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it raises the question if he even needs to, do

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this but because he can at the speed he can

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do it at and from the distance he can. Shoot

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it it's kind of like as, A defender i would

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02:03:56,920 --> 02:03:59,640
be just like driven mad by how difficult it is

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02:03:59,680 --> 02:04:02,680
to can, test it because as, a defender you time

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02:04:02,720 --> 02:04:05,640
your steps up to the conventional one two like inside,

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02:04:05,680 --> 02:04:09,399
takeoff foot opposite, hand Finish and maxie isn't even shooting,

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02:04:09,439 --> 02:04:12,039
A layup he's going from farther out at a. Dead

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run any google shoot a right handed right, foot floater

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that's just like there's no defense. For that that is

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a Superpower Like kyrie irving. Has That kyrie irving has

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the best like wrong foot package of Any player i've.

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Ever Seen but maxy at the speed, he moves that

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to me is like a definitional singing like no one.

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Else does it is a true superpower.

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Speaker 2: For HIM so.

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Speaker 1: I was actually saying we should name them and the

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other players should. Identify Them so i'm gonna throw throw one.

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At you i'm not sure if you're familiar with, This Player,

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02:04:43,439 --> 02:04:48,000
steph curry what's? HIS superpower i mean you can only.

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Speaker 3: Pick, one, Yeah right just being a, GOOD human i

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02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:54,520
guess IS what i, would say great example of a.

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02:04:54,760 --> 02:04:58,119
Human being it's it's gotta be, TO me i think

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02:04:58,159 --> 02:05:03,000
it's his ability to move off the ball and get

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02:05:03,239 --> 02:05:05,039
shots up as relentlessly as.

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Speaker 2: HE does.

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02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:09,239
Speaker 1: I think. THAT'S fair i think that's. Probably fair, so

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02:05:09,760 --> 02:05:12,800
basically there's also the relocation that he does, really well

2589
02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:15,680
but that's more Of, a yeah that's. A niche it

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02:05:15,680 --> 02:05:16,159
it's a niche.

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02:05:16,159 --> 02:05:18,920
Speaker 3: Of, Niche, yeah okay, All right well in, THAT case

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02:05:19,039 --> 02:05:21,279
i will give you we already Talked about wimby a

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02:05:21,279 --> 02:05:22,239
little bit kind of spoiled.

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Speaker 2: That one what give Me? Shake Gil just alexander's superpower

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strong ass.

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Speaker 1: Off arm that's what, it is it.

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Speaker 3: REALLY is, i mean isn't it a bummer that that

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02:05:33,920 --> 02:05:35,600
is like one of the things that makes.

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Speaker 1: HIM great i don't fault him, for it though the

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guys who, use, it like if that's the way, The, game,

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like yeah it'd be cool to legislate some of, this

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stuff like some of the ACTUAL would i view, gimmicky

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02:05:44,399 --> 02:05:47,359
STUFF which i don't consider three points gimmicky legislating that

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out of. The league but if it's, THAT'S like i,

2605
02:05:50,920 --> 02:05:54,359
don't look it's not. Foul baiting if, like that you're

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02:05:54,399 --> 02:05:56,720
playing within the rules of. The game but. There's that

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there's also his hesitation dribbles or just insane like the

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shifts with which he plays when he gets into the lane,

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is yeah and that's also if he didn't use have

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the superhuman, off arm he'd probably still be among the.

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Top five then free throw attempts.

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Speaker 3: Per game that's the thing is is even before, all

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this before he really leaned. INTO it i think. You

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could just can't, you remember like really as he was

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breaking As a, oh shit this guy's like a high

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02:06:22,199 --> 02:06:26,359
twenties like. Thirties score just how shifty, He was like.

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How slithery that was THE word i use all. The

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time is just like an off time and just had.

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That ability that's kind of an across the board superpower

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is like if you can do stuff at a cadence

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that the defense, finds.

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Speaker 2: Weird you're gonna.

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Speaker 3: Be good like just if you can get on get

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off of the rhythm of like a normal. Basketball player

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it's that's a superpower.

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Speaker 1: By itself grant NAME the nba.

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Speaker 2: Players superpower Your Guy.

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Speaker 1: Stefan castle he.

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Speaker 3: HAS many i think my favorite one IS he i

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don't even know if IT'S a i don't KNOW what i.

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Call it it's like the bulldozer layup where whether the

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02:07:07,399 --> 02:07:10,560
defender is bigger or smaller, than him he just does

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a hard head down drive and doesn't really beat, the

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guy but puts him under the basket through strength and

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goes up off two feet and just makes a.

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Speaker 2: Layup AFTER like i don't know what. It is it's

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kind of a big man move or more of but

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and he doesn't do the like discard shove off off

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arm thing as egregiously as. Many others so he just

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runs the guy into, the basket puts him, underneath it

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02:07:35,119 --> 02:07:37,960
and goes. Up off it's like it's like diabolical and

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02:07:38,079 --> 02:07:41,359
its simplicity and how effective. It IS so i love that.

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Speaker 3: About him does he have? Another one, not yet he's

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02:07:46,279 --> 02:07:52,680
still developing. His, superpowers okay, all right give me.

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Speaker 2: LET'S see i don't want to give. You one that's.

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Speaker 3: Too uh this guy's. A star i don't want to.

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Pick him how about.

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Speaker 2: Does mckail bridges have? A superpower what?

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Speaker 1: Is it is it a superpower to never want to

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02:08:10,520 --> 02:08:13,760
be touched by? Another player and so you're just fading

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02:08:13,880 --> 02:08:16,800
out of layups as you get closer to. THE basket

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02:08:18,039 --> 02:08:19,199
i really think like that's the.

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02:08:19,239 --> 02:08:22,159
Speaker 2: Correct answer by, the way the that's why his streak

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is still alive though nobody ever. Hits, HIM no i

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mean like it's durability because he's how how have you,

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Put it he's forever fading. Forever fait it's like a

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it's like equally charged magnets where he's just like somehow

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he's repulsed by the defender and goes by the basket

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and whatever the, shot is he moves away from the

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basket as.

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Speaker 1: He's shooting it looks like it's in one of those

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02:08:44,399 --> 02:08:47,079
invisible force fields that it's like an. END game I

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02:08:47,079 --> 02:08:48,680
don't i don't know if you would like watching or

2664
02:08:49,119 --> 02:08:52,920
was that Endgame Or? Infinity war whereas It's around wakanda

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02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:54,920
and you can't pass, through it and so he, Reaches there, it's,

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02:08:54,920 --> 02:08:57,600
like nope got a faith doesn't matter in transition in the?

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HALF corner, I honest i Did he did he teach

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It To? DeAndre ayton or Did De andre ayton teach it?

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To him what they?

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Speaker 3: Played together some there's some kind of there's a skills Coach.

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In phoenix that's like everybody wants to go towards.

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Speaker 2: The basket here.

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Speaker 1: We are it's also they kind of took it one

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02:09:15,119 --> 02:09:17,800
step Further From, devin booker who could hit. Fadeaway Jumpers

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But devin booker is not afraid when the pathways open

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02:09:20,319 --> 02:09:22,760
and get to, the room saying what if we just always?

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Speaker 3: Did that they're never going to, expect. It guys they

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02:09:25,399 --> 02:09:27,199
think you want to go to the basket if you

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02:09:27,239 --> 02:09:27,479
go the.

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Speaker 2: Other Way Free lunch GRANT naming nba players Superpower.

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Speaker 1: The, lebron james what's? His, SUPERPOWER hmmm i mean?

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Speaker 2: Not aging?

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02:09:43,760 --> 02:09:46,680
Speaker 3: Is that shouldn't that be the simplest answer that there's

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02:09:46,720 --> 02:09:48,880
SO many, I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry he's been Hashtagging washed king on his social

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02:09:52,199 --> 02:09:54,239
media post for like fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: FOR least, i Mean he's that's the, thing is he's

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02:09:58,319 --> 02:10:00,840
changed it so. Many times for a minute there he

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02:10:00,840 --> 02:10:03,479
would do that weird like little side step three to

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02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:05,960
the right where he would like look at, the ball look.

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Speaker 2: Down at it. Like that that came. AND went i

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02:10:07,680 --> 02:10:08,279
don't think he does.

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02:10:08,319 --> 02:10:12,600
Speaker 3: That anymore the wrap around pass to, the corner that's a,

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02:10:12,640 --> 02:10:17,800
big one just being huge and having vision and throwing

2695
02:10:17,880 --> 02:10:20,119
the cross court skip pass to the opposite corner like

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he's been great at.

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02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:23,800
Speaker 1: That forever some would say that's that's, a bug not,

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a feature because it proves he doesn't want it as

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MUCH as Mj, or kobe who would have taken. THE

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shot i mean it used, to be did it used

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to be before they kind of legislated. It out he

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had like the pro hop remember that like down well

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where you just your one foot hop to a two

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02:10:38,479 --> 02:10:40,159
foot plant wait and then go.

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Speaker 2: Up powerfully that's that's.

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Speaker 3: Kind of gone that that was a big one. FOR him,

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02:10:45,680 --> 02:10:48,479
i mean it's the it's the it's. The, launch yes

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02:10:48,520 --> 02:10:53,119
that's that's gotta? Be it, all right How's? About okay

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02:10:53,680 --> 02:10:55,800
what's WHAT'S the nba Superpower For.

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Speaker 2: Jalen brunson.

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Speaker 1: He has a superhuman off hour for someone, so, small

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02:11:01,000 --> 02:11:04,760
right he's. Got help so there's the two feet in

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02:11:04,760 --> 02:11:07,560
the like going up for baskets with two feet is.

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02:11:07,600 --> 02:11:11,560
REALLY cool i think this is obvious And maybe knicks fans.

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02:11:11,600 --> 02:11:16,000
Will disagree just the pivot foot just like he especially

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02:11:16,079 --> 02:11:18,079
off the left like. He cold just it doesn't make.

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Any SENSE and i guess sometimes it might look like

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02:11:20,039 --> 02:11:23,199
it's a travel, but man that left foot pivot once

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02:11:23,239 --> 02:11:25,800
He gets like anyone who picks up their dribble when

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they're just outside the restricted area surrounded, by trees it

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02:11:29,319 --> 02:11:31,479
should be a. Bad time But with Jalen brunt and

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it's everything's going according to plan EXACTLY how I, gained.

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Speaker 3: It got him EXACTLY where i, want him two seven

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02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:40,800
footers in front. OF me i don't have a. Live,

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02:11:40,880 --> 02:11:43,960
dribble great here comes. The, layup yeah and it's more

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impressive for him just because of, The stature like the

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02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:49,800
league is caught up like doing getting to a two,

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foot plant pivoting and then taking off of the, other foot,

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02:11:52,680 --> 02:11:54,880
you know with these sort of little mini extra step

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02:11:54,920 --> 02:11:58,000
you can get playing out of. Two, feet now that

2731
02:11:58,079 --> 02:12:01,319
works better for guys that can really extend the basket on, step.

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Speaker 2: Throughs and that's not an option.

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02:12:02,319 --> 02:12:04,079
Speaker 3: For him so the fact that it works so well

2734
02:12:04,119 --> 02:12:06,279
for him at his size is even more impressive because

2735
02:12:06,279 --> 02:12:08,319
it's just it should be really hard for him to play,

2736
02:12:08,319 --> 02:12:11,359
that way and he's still one of the best like

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02:12:11,399 --> 02:12:15,600
post players we've. Ever seen just His foot his feet.

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02:12:15,600 --> 02:12:21,399
Speaker 1: Are incredible grant give me NAME the, Nba Superpower. Kawhi leonard,

2739
02:12:21,880 --> 02:12:25,439
oh uh. Sponsorship agreements there's.

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02:12:25,560 --> 02:12:27,520
Speaker 2: Sponsorship, agreements uh just.

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02:12:28,119 --> 02:12:30,439
Speaker 3: Time management he gets a lot of money for not

2742
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doing things that he's supposed.

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Speaker 2: To.

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Speaker 3: Do uh so it used to be and maybe it's

2745
02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:37,600
still sort of is just the the claw of it,

2746
02:12:37,640 --> 02:12:41,640
all that just the hand strength and just forcibly taking

2747
02:12:41,640 --> 02:12:42,399
the basketball away.

2748
02:12:42,399 --> 02:12:46,119
Speaker 2: From people, to me now he's defined by the laser,

2749
02:12:46,159 --> 02:12:51,319
beam jumper which is it feels like he has calculated

2750
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:56,479
the lowest possible trajectory of a basketball shot that can still,

2751
02:12:56,520 --> 02:12:59,479
go in and he is, absolutely mastered like there's no arc.

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02:12:59,560 --> 02:13:01,560
On it it's almost just like if.

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02:13:01,439 --> 02:13:04,199
Speaker 3: You want to play up the like machine nature of,

2754
02:13:04,239 --> 02:13:07,079
his personality it's like this is how a machine would.

2755
02:13:07,079 --> 02:13:08,680
Speaker 2: Shoot it there's just no margin.

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02:13:08,720 --> 02:13:11,119
Speaker 3: For error it's it's optimal if you can shoot it

2757
02:13:11,159 --> 02:13:13,760
the exact same way every time and. Never deviate but

2758
02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:15,560
he has no arc on, his jumpers and they just

2759
02:13:15,880 --> 02:13:18,319
they just free, throws too even they're just like they

2760
02:13:18,319 --> 02:13:19,640
almost attack the back of.

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02:13:19,680 --> 02:13:22,319
Speaker 2: The rim there's there's. No arc, IT'S like i don't know.

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02:13:22,359 --> 02:13:25,439
Speaker 3: Anybody else you might cite Someone, Like Jordan like jordan

2763
02:13:25,560 --> 02:13:27,920
didn't shoot with a lot of arc and AND like

2764
02:13:28,119 --> 02:13:29,560
i can't think of anyone that shoots quite.

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02:13:29,600 --> 02:13:31,159
Speaker 1: Like that oh do you know who springs? To MIND

2766
02:13:31,199 --> 02:13:33,960
they I Got. Derek rose he didn't shoot with a

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02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:36,039
lot of a lot, of, arc right he.

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02:13:36,479 --> 02:13:40,520
Speaker 3: Had a similarly like the ball was like like forced into,

2769
02:13:40,520 --> 02:13:43,239
the basket, you know on his jumpers it went. In hard,

2770
02:13:43,479 --> 02:13:45,239
SO yeah i think that's a. Good one not a

2771
02:13:45,239 --> 02:13:47,319
lot of like, pure swishes there's a lot of back

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02:13:47,399 --> 02:13:47,760
rim and.

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02:13:47,880 --> 02:13:50,479
Speaker 2: Straight down that's a. Good.

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02:13:50,479 --> 02:13:53,000
Speaker 1: ONE okay i want to try and only shoot line

2775
02:13:53,079 --> 02:13:55,119
drives and see what his percentages end.

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02:13:55,199 --> 02:13:58,319
Speaker 2: Up being probably probably, pretty good probably still. Pretty Good,

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uh dan what is what is alpera AND shngoons? NBA superpower.

2778
02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:10,439
Speaker 1: I honestly would say he has some shoulder, Stuff too,

2779
02:14:10,520 --> 02:14:12,520
BUT you i know you have a thought. On this

2780
02:14:12,640 --> 02:14:15,640
it's the, awkward timing and you mean that as, non

2781
02:14:15,680 --> 02:14:16,640
pejoratively it's.

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02:14:16,640 --> 02:14:20,520
Speaker 3: A compliment IT'S like i, SAID earlier i think anybody

2783
02:14:20,560 --> 02:14:25,359
that does things off time just has. An advantage and

2784
02:14:25,399 --> 02:14:28,560
he he does a lot of like just his shot

2785
02:14:28,600 --> 02:14:31,720
fakes are. Weirdly timed he'll he'll turn over the wrong

2786
02:14:31,800 --> 02:14:34,600
shoulder Type of he's JUST like i don't know if it's.

2787
02:14:34,680 --> 02:14:37,359
All timing it's a combination of timing and just like

2788
02:14:37,399 --> 02:14:41,880
willingness to shoot from. Strange angles he just plays at

2789
02:14:41,880 --> 02:14:45,600
a cadence that, is weird and it's that's a. GOOD

2790
02:14:45,600 --> 02:14:47,680
thing i don't know what kind of player he'd be

2791
02:14:48,079 --> 02:14:50,159
with the shooting being what it is if he didn't have.

2792
02:14:50,239 --> 02:14:54,439
This ought it's also weirdly mixed with like extreme physicality,

2793
02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:57,000
on offense like he just rams into people and then

2794
02:14:57,039 --> 02:15:01,319
we'll shoot some weird like fading wrong, foot arm, wrong

2795
02:15:01,399 --> 02:15:05,560
shoulder type. OF thing, i mean he's he's got to

2796
02:15:05,600 --> 02:15:07,760
be like just a nightmare to play against because you

2797
02:15:07,880 --> 02:15:09,079
just don't know where these shots.

2798
02:15:09,119 --> 02:15:15,039
Speaker 1: Coming from grant NAME the. NBA superpower i go here

2799
02:15:15,119 --> 02:15:17,119
that give you A weird your last ONE was qui right.

2800
02:15:17,560 --> 02:15:20,840
A star let's give you a. WEIRD. One. Tj McConnell.

2801
02:15:21,960 --> 02:15:22,319
Speaker 2: Uh, TO.

2802
02:15:22,399 --> 02:15:25,199
Speaker 3: Me, tj McConnell there's. THERE'S another i mean the back.

2803
02:15:25,239 --> 02:15:29,479
Horse steel that's a good one. For him, but Yeah,

2804
02:15:29,720 --> 02:15:31,319
he's yeah. That's true if you had to give it,

2805
02:15:31,359 --> 02:15:34,520
to anybody that's the Grand. Theft alvorado so McConnell, to

2806
02:15:34,600 --> 02:15:39,960
me the the the quickness of his pull up short jumpers,

2807
02:15:40,479 --> 02:15:43,520
is unrivaled and it has to be because he doesn't

2808
02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:46,479
have the size and doesn't create the separation to get

2809
02:15:46,479 --> 02:15:47,119
off those types.

2810
02:15:47,159 --> 02:15:48,359
Speaker 2: Of shots but.

2811
02:15:48,359 --> 02:15:50,279
Speaker 3: He will be going at a dead run and pull

2812
02:15:50,359 --> 02:15:52,800
up and go up as high as he can and

2813
02:15:52,840 --> 02:15:56,359
shoot like a nine foot jump shot off a two

2814
02:15:56,359 --> 02:15:59,720
feet that is just going straight up and it works

2815
02:15:59,720 --> 02:16:01,680
because he. Does it so he'll do it after like

2816
02:16:01,960 --> 02:16:04,119
Doing the nash dribble on the baseline and then quickly

2817
02:16:04,159 --> 02:16:06,239
turn around the direction he just came from and shoot

2818
02:16:06,239 --> 02:16:09,720
a pull up super. Hard shots but and he's like

2819
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:12,239
the ONLY guy i think that shoots. Those regularly so

2820
02:16:12,720 --> 02:16:13,399
that's that's.

2821
02:16:13,199 --> 02:16:18,119
Speaker 2: A big one. For, Him, okay dan What Is KEVIN durant's?

2822
02:16:18,279 --> 02:16:20,079
NBA superpower i have.

2823
02:16:20,079 --> 02:16:25,279
Speaker 1: No idea just mantling teams from the inside. Pretty good

2824
02:16:26,199 --> 02:16:28,720
it's got the it's the has he pulled up he

2825
02:16:28,760 --> 02:16:31,640
brought has he pull up jumbo into. The mainstream, that's

2826
02:16:31,680 --> 02:16:34,360
like that's just like he could still. Do It the

2827
02:16:34,440 --> 02:16:39,280
dude's just. That's, insane oh it's my turn. For, You,

2828
02:16:40,399 --> 02:16:44,120
well grant What, is oh here. We Go anthony edwards

2829
02:16:44,200 --> 02:16:45,600
is superpower.

2830
02:16:47,120 --> 02:16:49,319
Speaker 2: He's got he's a weird.

2831
02:16:49,360 --> 02:16:55,520
Speaker 3: OFFENSIVE player i do THINK he's i think he's so

2832
02:16:55,639 --> 02:17:00,600
strong that his ability to everybody everybody kind of. Needs

2833
02:17:00,680 --> 02:17:03,479
it but he is so good at, dead run slow

2834
02:17:03,559 --> 02:17:06,639
down euro still has the strength to get up.

2835
02:17:06,879 --> 02:17:09,200
Speaker 2: To FINISH so i guess that's.

2836
02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:12,959
Speaker 3: Like the the like the high degree of difficulty or

2837
02:17:13,040 --> 02:17:16,280
like the high stress eurostep maybe or something like some

2838
02:17:16,440 --> 02:17:19,000
version of that where he's got euro step.

2839
02:17:19,120 --> 02:17:20,159
Speaker 1: Or, something yeah.

2840
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:21,440
Speaker 2: He's got so many you don't want to throw that,

2841
02:17:21,479 --> 02:17:23,479
out there. You, know.

2842
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah He's just edwards gets drug tested immediately after this that.

2843
02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:32,600
Speaker 2: Eurostep you slowed, Down, too well what's going?

2844
02:17:32,680 --> 02:17:36,719
Speaker 3: ON here i think it's that he also can get

2845
02:17:36,719 --> 02:17:39,879
off a three against, the contest like from anywhere at,

2846
02:17:39,879 --> 02:17:42,319
any time which is not always a, great shot but

2847
02:17:42,360 --> 02:17:44,760
it does. MATTER sometimes i still think it's the what

2848
02:17:44,840 --> 02:17:46,920
he can do getting downhill and then slowing down and

2849
02:17:46,920 --> 02:17:50,600
moving laterally. Like that that's, The thing like you have

2850
02:17:50,639 --> 02:17:52,719
to have such a strong you have to be so

2851
02:17:52,799 --> 02:17:55,000
strong to do that and like get any bounce off

2852
02:17:55,000 --> 02:17:55,280
the floor.

2853
02:17:55,319 --> 02:17:59,719
Speaker 2: At all it's. Like, unthinkable see do we have any more? For?

2854
02:17:59,799 --> 02:18:02,879
Speaker 3: YOU oh i think this Is. Your dan What Is

2855
02:18:02,959 --> 02:18:06,520
CONKIN nipples? Nba superpower is.

2856
02:18:06,479 --> 02:18:08,680
Speaker 1: It weird to? SAY screening i was gonna go with,

2857
02:18:08,760 --> 02:18:11,600
ghost screening but he will connect on his screen to

2858
02:18:11,600 --> 02:18:16,120
where screen where he'll register as the role man on certain,

2859
02:18:16,159 --> 02:18:19,239
possessions too and so being able to do that as

2860
02:18:19,239 --> 02:18:20,840
someone who's just kind of. A wing but then you're

2861
02:18:20,879 --> 02:18:22,840
also going to be tasked with needing to hit these

2862
02:18:23,159 --> 02:18:25,879
crazy shots off of. Those plays it's sort of like

2863
02:18:26,760 --> 02:18:30,239
Super Charged buddy Heeled in indiana when they used him

2864
02:18:30,280 --> 02:18:33,079
for all those, Ghost screens But Like conka nipples way

2865
02:18:33,120 --> 02:18:35,079
better than but because he could do stuff off the.

2866
02:18:35,159 --> 02:18:38,239
Dribble too first, of all to have a superpower as

2867
02:18:38,239 --> 02:18:39,680
a rookie is.

2868
02:18:39,719 --> 02:18:42,639
Speaker 3: Pretty, insane well and, it's like isn't his superpower just

2869
02:18:42,680 --> 02:18:44,959
being one of the greatest shooters to ever enter?

2870
02:18:45,000 --> 02:18:47,639
Speaker 2: The league also like he has more than one and

2871
02:18:47,799 --> 02:18:48,280
it all like.

2872
02:18:48,440 --> 02:18:52,200
Speaker 3: The screening his effectiveness as a screener is. Just it

2873
02:18:52,200 --> 02:18:55,120
it exists because of how he can. Shoot it like

2874
02:18:55,159 --> 02:18:58,879
anytime you have a, great shooter using them as a

2875
02:18:58,879 --> 02:19:01,879
screener is just gonna rate a good shot for somebody

2876
02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:04,920
because you can't can't mess around if you're defending any

2877
02:19:05,000 --> 02:19:06,639
kind of switching or screening action that he's.

2878
02:19:06,680 --> 02:19:07,639
Speaker 2: Involved in that's a.

2879
02:19:07,639 --> 02:19:12,799
Speaker 1: Good One GRANT navy nba is Superpower for yannis Attent.

2880
02:19:12,879 --> 02:19:17,959
Speaker 3: To coombo he's figured out how to take seven steps with.

2881
02:19:18,079 --> 02:19:23,840
One dribble that's. PRETTY good, i, mean honestly that really

2882
02:19:23,879 --> 02:19:27,319
is something that he's made more effective than literally. Anyone

2883
02:19:27,319 --> 02:19:30,719
else is the late whatever we're calling the gather where the.

2884
02:19:30,760 --> 02:19:32,680
Ball happened the ball is, at rest but it's like

2885
02:19:32,760 --> 02:19:34,879
spinning in your hand and you might dribble, it again

2886
02:19:34,920 --> 02:19:38,360
but you've taken four steps while. It's THERE that's, i

2887
02:19:38,360 --> 02:19:40,719
mean that's the huge reason he's so effective. IN transition

2888
02:19:40,799 --> 02:19:44,120
i think ultimately it's just the spin cycle dunk where

2889
02:19:44,799 --> 02:19:48,479
he will be going downhill. Incredibly fast everyone on the

2890
02:19:48,520 --> 02:19:51,360
other team knows, it's happening and the second he feels

2891
02:19:51,360 --> 02:19:53,520
pressure on, one side he spins the other one and it's.

2892
02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:56,319
Speaker 2: A dunk often. Left handed he's GOT a i would

2893
02:19:56,319 --> 02:19:58,520
like to see the count of left handed dunks he's

2894
02:19:58,520 --> 02:20:00,159
gotten in. His career he's got to be more.

2895
02:20:00,159 --> 02:20:04,040
Speaker 1: Than right he also does it at different rotation speeds,

2896
02:20:04,360 --> 02:20:07,159
right towards like some of the spins look like they're

2897
02:20:07,200 --> 02:20:09,799
in slow mo because they're like, the quick like the.

2898
02:20:09,879 --> 02:20:12,000
Quick gyrations but there are the other ones where it's

2899
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:15,040
like why is nobody? Stopping that because it's almost just

2900
02:20:15,319 --> 02:20:18,719
he's gradually making his way like. Twirling around it's more of.

2901
02:20:18,760 --> 02:20:20,719
A twirl it's not so much of a spin as.

2902
02:20:20,719 --> 02:20:26,319
Speaker 3: A twirl did he did he hit the fading turnaround

2903
02:20:26,399 --> 02:20:30,200
game winner Against the knicks early in, his career like

2904
02:20:30,319 --> 02:20:31,000
right around the.

2905
02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:32,399
Speaker 2: Foul line do you remember?

2906
02:20:32,399 --> 02:20:35,120
Speaker 3: THAT shot i want, to say THAT'S what i want

2907
02:20:35,120 --> 02:20:37,200
to sit AND because i REMEMBER because i was working

2908
02:20:37,239 --> 02:20:39,239
that NIGHT and i had to what up my angle

2909
02:20:39,399 --> 02:20:42,239
was like It's over if he, has this. It's OVER

2910
02:20:42,680 --> 02:20:44,559
and i don't think he's ever shot that shot again

2911
02:20:44,559 --> 02:20:47,879
in his, whole life and. It's IRONIC like i the,

2912
02:20:47,959 --> 02:20:50,920
discourse was oh, my god this guy has a fading.

2913
02:20:50,959 --> 02:20:54,840
Turnaround jumper therefore he's complete. And unstoppable and now, it's,

2914
02:20:54,879 --> 02:20:58,399
like no he figured out you, should Just unlike Bridges,

2915
02:20:58,399 --> 02:21:01,079
and ayton just go towards the basket and spin and.

2916
02:21:01,120 --> 02:21:03,520
Speaker 2: Then dunk that's, a lot. That's lucra.

2917
02:21:05,840 --> 02:21:07,959
Speaker 3: I'm never gonna forget that because it's just never been

2918
02:21:07,959 --> 02:21:10,319
more wrong that that shot, actually mattered accept in so

2919
02:21:10,360 --> 02:21:13,200
far as it Was like giannis is here now that

2920
02:21:13,200 --> 02:21:14,680
that was what that shot felt like at.

2921
02:21:14,680 --> 02:21:17,799
Speaker 1: The time can We talk i'm trying to think of

2922
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:19,959
top ten players we missed because that was. THE question

2923
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:21,479
i know he probably didn't cover all, of them but

2924
02:21:21,719 --> 02:21:23,600
can we talk this one, through TOGETHER because i have.

2925
02:21:23,600 --> 02:21:27,079
A Suggestion kate cunningham's probably been a top ten player, this, year?

2926
02:21:27,159 --> 02:21:30,280
Speaker 2: Right, yep, well no he hasn't played sixty, five games

2927
02:21:30,280 --> 02:21:32,520
so this season, didn't exist never.

2928
02:21:32,559 --> 02:21:35,639
Speaker 1: Had it, you're right we should bestow that honor then.

2929
02:21:35,760 --> 02:21:38,239
Upon too how many Games is durham? Played in that's

2930
02:21:38,239 --> 02:21:39,559
the new top, Ten player.

2931
02:21:39,719 --> 02:21:40,159
Speaker 2: Oh sorry?

2932
02:21:40,200 --> 02:21:42,879
Speaker 1: Go ahead is it at? This point is his superpower

2933
02:21:42,959 --> 02:21:45,680
like kind of the, Fadeaway jumper like, in it he

2934
02:21:45,719 --> 02:21:47,959
can get, to it whether he's like coming from the

2935
02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:50,440
three point arc or if you're gonna he's gonna seal in.

2936
02:21:50,479 --> 02:21:53,000
THE post i think that might be, his superpower and

2937
02:21:53,040 --> 02:21:55,840
he shot really well on. Those looks this year just

2938
02:21:55,879 --> 02:21:59,120
feels as if it should be something, else MAYBE but

2939
02:21:59,159 --> 02:22:01,799
i think for me it's it's that fadeaway jumper and

2940
02:22:02,399 --> 02:22:04,680
his the readiness with which he can get to, it,

2941
02:22:04,719 --> 02:22:06,159
now yeah.

2942
02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:08,879
Speaker 3: And the need, for it Just because detroit has a

2943
02:22:08,879 --> 02:22:12,479
lot of possessions where the no easy. Shots materialize he's,

2944
02:22:13,399 --> 02:22:16,520
to me he's, the hardest really good player, to say

2945
02:22:16,559 --> 02:22:18,719
like this is. His thing this is, you know this

2946
02:22:18,799 --> 02:22:20,959
is the image of him in. MY mind i do

2947
02:22:21,000 --> 02:22:24,159
think it's probably that just the ability to hit a

2948
02:22:24,200 --> 02:22:26,639
fade or turn around or even just like a hard

2949
02:22:26,639 --> 02:22:31,000
pull up. That's CONTESTED it's, i mean he does he's

2950
02:22:31,079 --> 02:22:33,520
like he does get some crazy blocks.

2951
02:22:33,399 --> 02:22:37,000
Speaker 2: For a player in. His position you can't say that's

2952
02:22:37,000 --> 02:22:38,040
like his, superpower though.

2953
02:22:38,200 --> 02:22:40,559
Speaker 1: Who also gets some crazy blocks for a player of?

2954
02:22:40,600 --> 02:22:44,280
His size asked me About read. Shepherd's superpower What's read.

2955
02:22:44,319 --> 02:22:47,000
Speaker 2: Shepherd's superpower he gets good amount of blocks for a

2956
02:22:47,040 --> 02:22:47,520
player that's.

2957
02:22:47,559 --> 02:22:48,360
Speaker 1: His, size right.

2958
02:22:50,239 --> 02:22:52,760
Speaker 2: We haven't talked about Let's.

2959
02:22:52,760 --> 02:22:56,280
Speaker 3: SAY jokic, i mean, oh yeah oh. My god is

2960
02:22:56,280 --> 02:22:59,520
it just vision is a built? Like his you know

2961
02:22:59,600 --> 02:23:00,520
that's that's not as?

2962
02:23:00,600 --> 02:23:02,399
Speaker 2: Like? Clean yeah?

2963
02:23:02,399 --> 02:23:04,280
Speaker 1: What is what would? That even BECAUSE there's i mean

2964
02:23:04,319 --> 02:23:07,879
There's The aaron, gordon pass like the, shot Pass the,

2965
02:23:09,280 --> 02:23:11,319
somber shuffle all the all.

2966
02:23:11,239 --> 02:23:13,959
Speaker 2: The times he the, somber shuffle all the times that

2967
02:23:14,040 --> 02:23:17,360
he throws a pass literally over the bat over is

2968
02:23:17,440 --> 02:23:19,360
like that he's never looked at the, GUY like i

2969
02:23:19,360 --> 02:23:21,319
don't know what you. CALL that i guess. That's vision

2970
02:23:22,120 --> 02:23:26,079
touch like his incredible like the floater what stuff around,

2971
02:23:26,079 --> 02:23:27,879
the room his three point shot where it's like, come

2972
02:23:27,920 --> 02:23:29,879
on that thing gets cocked back and touch like the

2973
02:23:30,399 --> 02:23:34,120
back of his Shoulders, BASICALLY yeah i mean you could

2974
02:23:34,120 --> 02:23:36,639
even just go like his hands because those go into all,

2975
02:23:36,719 --> 02:23:39,680
the touch the like, passing facility all.

2976
02:23:39,719 --> 02:23:42,719
Speaker 1: That stuff how about to always looked like he just

2977
02:23:42,840 --> 02:23:45,280
exited a war but he's on his shoulders but he's never,

2978
02:23:45,319 --> 02:23:48,000
Actually bleeding like he just has all, those scars but

2979
02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:49,040
they're they're never.

2980
02:23:49,440 --> 02:23:53,719
Speaker 2: Open, wounds yeah. Interesting skin thickness of skin maybe is

2981
02:23:53,760 --> 02:23:55,920
what we're talking. About there he is, very, built different.

2982
02:23:56,399 --> 02:23:59,760
Speaker 1: Built, different uhka what's the?

2983
02:23:59,760 --> 02:24:06,520
Speaker 2: LITTLE superpower i mean the step back going left? For? Him,

2984
02:24:06,600 --> 02:24:09,520
yeah yeah.

2985
02:24:09,319 --> 02:24:13,399
Speaker 1: He's got his defensive rating Over the lakers past. ELEVEN

2986
02:24:13,479 --> 02:24:15,920
games i think it's his one on. One defense is that? It,

2987
02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:17,719
IS yeah i just gotta trust.

2988
02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:22,040
Speaker 2: The numbers i'm not going to watch The Tape. Donovan,

2989
02:24:22,079 --> 02:24:28,479
mitchell oh the the, High, pickup yeah THAT'S like i

2990
02:24:28,760 --> 02:24:31,120
could watch that on a loop for the rest of.

2991
02:24:31,159 --> 02:24:33,000
Speaker 1: MY life i think because it doesn't. Make sense should

2992
02:24:33,000 --> 02:24:35,600
it be? A, carry.

2993
02:24:34,719 --> 02:24:37,079
Speaker 3: No he doesn't put it. BACK down i think it's

2994
02:24:37,159 --> 02:24:39,680
risky because everybody else takes the ball down to their

2995
02:24:39,719 --> 02:24:41,879
ankles through traffic and then comes up through.

2996
02:24:41,959 --> 02:24:44,200
Speaker 1: Through arms he goes over and it's actually just Super

2997
02:24:44,200 --> 02:24:50,760
cool and you're, a Loser and, I'VE okay i don't

2998
02:24:50,760 --> 02:24:52,520
know if a random players have been random Enough. For

2999
02:24:52,559 --> 02:24:55,920
grant What's What's brandon? Pajemski's superpower.

3000
02:24:57,120 --> 02:25:00,040
Speaker 3: Coming to a two foot plant at the at a

3001
02:25:00,079 --> 02:25:02,799
bad place on the court and picking up his dribble

3002
02:25:02,840 --> 02:25:06,000
for no reason and pivoting fourteen times before having to

3003
02:25:06,040 --> 02:25:09,520
throw a bailout pass or a step through runner as

3004
02:25:09,559 --> 02:25:09,879
the shot.

3005
02:25:09,920 --> 02:25:11,280
Speaker 2: Clock expires that's a.

3006
02:25:11,280 --> 02:25:15,239
Speaker 3: Long superpower but find me, someone better find me someone better.

3007
02:25:15,280 --> 02:25:15,600
Speaker 2: At it.

3008
02:25:15,799 --> 02:25:19,120
Speaker 1: You can't they'd be in the top ten discussion if they.

3009
02:25:19,120 --> 02:25:23,319
Weren't injured What Is tyre's? Haliburton's superpower probably the? Jump,

3010
02:25:23,319 --> 02:25:24,200
passes still the.

3011
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Speaker 3: Jump pass came to. Mind, FIRST yeah i think. He

3012
02:25:27,479 --> 02:25:29,920
there he GOT a t shirt made about how jump

3013
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:32,440
passes are, cool now so that that has.

3014
02:25:32,319 --> 02:25:36,840
Speaker 1: To Check kaitlin cooper. For That And. Jason tatum what's?

3015
02:25:36,879 --> 02:25:39,440
Speaker 2: HIS superpower, i mean for, a minute there was the

3016
02:25:39,479 --> 02:25:43,760
off arm thing to me that like the he he.

3017
02:25:43,000 --> 02:25:45,200
Speaker 3: He had the Walk so shay could run with with

3018
02:25:45,319 --> 02:25:48,360
the the off. Arm shove he?

3019
02:25:48,559 --> 02:25:52,360
Speaker 1: HIS superpower i mean he has the escape dribble three Down,

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pat yeah.

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02:25:53,280 --> 02:25:56,479
Speaker 3: This said the extreme side step. Three, too yeah he

3022
02:25:56,559 --> 02:25:57,879
covers so much ground.

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02:25:57,600 --> 02:26:00,680
Speaker 1: On that and the. Other thing he's the one is

3024
02:26:00,680 --> 02:26:02,600
he the only star in. The LEAGUE it's i guess

3025
02:26:02,600 --> 02:26:04,879
it's between Him And kevin durant where it's they just want,

3026
02:26:04,879 --> 02:26:06,280
To hoop they want to play in every and. His,

3027
02:26:06,360 --> 02:26:09,520
superpowers people you won't mention load management or do players

3028
02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:12,200
playing enough games and you'll Never Mention kevin Durant Or, jason,

3029
02:26:12,200 --> 02:26:14,000
tatum Right, and jason so that's got to Be A

3030
02:26:14,079 --> 02:26:16,479
jason tatum. Superpower too i'm glad that.

3031
02:26:16,600 --> 02:26:19,399
Speaker 3: You because i've said more than once half joking that

3032
02:26:19,600 --> 02:26:22,879
someone wanted it more than somebody else on this episode

3033
02:26:22,959 --> 02:26:25,600
or a, previous Episode and i'm glad that you've now

3034
02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:28,600
jumped into the cliche of bucket and just said he

3035
02:26:28,760 --> 02:26:29,079
just Wants.

3036
02:26:29,159 --> 02:26:33,399
Speaker 1: TO still i guess we don't consume typical let us know.

3037
02:26:33,479 --> 02:26:36,280
The people is? It still is he want they wanted?

3038
02:26:36,280 --> 02:26:39,200
It more is that's still analysis on sports radio or.

3039
02:26:39,239 --> 02:26:42,440
TALK shows i don't consume any of them, anymore really

3040
02:26:42,479 --> 02:26:45,760
to be it's all podcasts, FOR me i don't that's.

3041
02:26:45,760 --> 02:26:46,399
Speaker 2: Like that it.

3042
02:26:46,440 --> 02:26:49,680
Speaker 3: ABSOLUTELY is i mean maybe not in so, many words

3043
02:26:49,719 --> 02:26:52,479
but JUST like i, don't know WATCH the ncaa tournament

3044
02:26:52,559 --> 02:26:54,799
and it's just like one team is playing its ass

3045
02:26:54,799 --> 02:26:56,399
off and the other one doesn't seem. To be it's

3046
02:26:56,399 --> 02:26:58,719
like they're looking at them, out there they're look at

3047
02:26:58,760 --> 02:27:01,040
him getting. After it they just they want that. Ball

3048
02:27:01,079 --> 02:27:03,319
more those fifty to fifty balls are. Ninety ten like

3049
02:27:03,360 --> 02:27:04,360
all that kind of thing.

3050
02:27:04,559 --> 02:27:09,120
Speaker 1: Should do, coaching Superpowers Which joe mizzula's superpower.

3051
02:27:10,200 --> 02:27:15,600
Speaker 2: Uh the ability to compare any situation to life in The.

3052
02:27:15,639 --> 02:27:17,600
Animal kingdom, nobody's better.

3053
02:27:18,040 --> 02:27:21,399
Speaker 1: Nobody's better, he's definitely and we've proved it with a

3054
02:27:21,440 --> 02:27:25,559
segment the coach whose quotes are most likely to be Misattributed.

3055
02:27:25,600 --> 02:27:27,319
To batman right there's.

3056
02:27:27,079 --> 02:27:30,000
Speaker 2: He has a lot. Of superpowers anybody else we haven't

3057
02:27:30,040 --> 02:27:30,840
hit trying?

3058
02:27:30,879 --> 02:27:32,680
Speaker 1: To, THINK no I think i think That's a we've

3059
02:27:32,680 --> 02:27:35,479
gone for almost two and a, half HOURS so i

3060
02:27:35,479 --> 02:27:38,120
don't know if you're ready you can take us out.

3061
02:27:38,120 --> 02:27:39,000
OF here i.

3062
02:27:39,000 --> 02:27:40,959
Speaker 2: THINK everybody i think. Everybody's ready so.

3063
02:27:41,559 --> 02:27:44,600
Speaker 1: If anyone made it to, the end comments, or below

3064
02:27:44,680 --> 02:27:46,239
or get it to just let, us know because That's

3065
02:27:46,319 --> 02:27:50,520
your this might be our longest episode of. All time your.

3066
02:27:50,440 --> 02:27:53,719
Speaker 2: Your superpower is. Listening stamina if you've made it this

3067
02:27:53,799 --> 02:27:55,200
far and we appreciate.

3068
02:27:55,200 --> 02:27:58,440
Speaker 1: Your more your ear drums are, built different so your

3069
02:27:58,479 --> 02:27:59,239
ear drums wanted.

3070
02:27:59,280 --> 02:28:03,600
Speaker 3: It more, rate, review subscribe tell, your friends tell. Your

3071
02:28:03,639 --> 02:28:05,719
enemies joiner discord links for that on YouTube and. Podcast

3072
02:28:05,719 --> 02:28:09,159
description until. Next Time Shouts frank milakina and Apologies To

3073
02:28:09,239 --> 02:28:13,479
jared allen m