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Speaker 2: the privilege of talking to Bill today. Bill is an
Speaker 2: individual from the Shenandoah Valley down in Virginia. He's had
Speaker 2: an interesting thing happen that he is wanting to come
Speaker 2: forward with and just pretty much get off his chest.
Speaker 2: So Bill, thank you for coming on the show today,
Speaker 2: and you're welcome to go ahead and share what you
Speaker 2: would like to regarding what happened.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you. Jeremar Well, the long short of a
Speaker 3: story about me, I need to explain what led up
Speaker 3: to it because some of the actions that I did,
Speaker 3: some of the things I did. You know, it looks
Speaker 3: it'll it will explain why I did what I did.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I live in the Sandeau Valley, which is
Speaker 3: in western Virginia. It's a very beautiful area. It's got
Speaker 3: lots of mountains and rivers. It's very rocky and just
Speaker 3: a great place to live. I'm pretty much retired, so
Speaker 3: I was pretty much spent. I spend my days playing
Speaker 3: guitar and walking my dogs. I walk my dogs every day.
Speaker 3: And that's how That's what led up to this is
Speaker 3: I have a ridgeline near my house that I hadn't
Speaker 3: walked up, and then just this year I started walking up.
Speaker 3: And this is maybe the fifth or sixth time i'd
Speaker 3: been up there. It's just a really well maintained road,
Speaker 3: federal land. There's people out there at certain times of
Speaker 3: the year other times, though the first few times I
Speaker 3: went there, I didn't see any gun at all, so
Speaker 3: it's not exactly the wilderness, but but you know, it's
Speaker 3: there's I don't know if that's hard to explain it.
Speaker 3: When you get in the woods out here, a mile
Speaker 3: feels like ten miles from where I'm from you. So anyway,
Speaker 3: I guess it started with me walking my dogs. I
Speaker 3: decided to go out there one morning and just a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago and walk up the mountain because
Speaker 3: uphill trying to stay in shape and trying to train
Speaker 3: my dogs not to pull me, and it uphill just
Speaker 3: really worked out good. And it's a great road and
Speaker 3: it's very scenic. There's a creek that runs below it,
Speaker 3: and it's cutting to the side of a mountain, so
Speaker 3: it rises above you on your right side and your
Speaker 3: left side. It kind of goes down into a little
Speaker 3: valley in the creek. That creek is full of water.
Speaker 3: It was full of water at the time. I think
Speaker 3: it had rained five inches the night before. It was
Speaker 3: extremely wet and cloudy that day, so it was about
Speaker 3: I got there about ten o'clock in the morning, and
Speaker 3: the forest was dark because of the cloudiness, and then
Speaker 3: it just stopped rating thirty minutes earlier. But anyway, I
Speaker 3: had been watching a lot of things on YouTube about
Speaker 3: sasquatch and all that, and so I knew techniques and
Speaker 3: what people did. I didn't know if there was any
Speaker 3: out here. I just was curious about the subject. And
Speaker 3: so for some reason this morning, when I got I
Speaker 3: let I took my dogs out of the truck. After
Speaker 3: parking at the back base in the mountain, I decided
Speaker 3: to grab some I was looking for a piece of
Speaker 3: wood or something to hit against the tree, because it
Speaker 3: was just on my mind. I had been watching it,
Speaker 3: and I was just like, there's no one out here
Speaker 3: as quiet. I wonder what would happen if I did anything.
Speaker 3: I didn't really think anything would happen, but I didn't.
Speaker 3: It was really wet and I couldn't find anything that
Speaker 3: would work good. So I picked up two rocks and
Speaker 3: clacked them together in like a clack three clacks or
Speaker 3: so with rhythm, and then just threw them down and stopped,
Speaker 3: told my dogs to stop, and listened. We listened for
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe a minute or two, not very long, nothing,
Speaker 3: and all I could hear was like the trees dripping
Speaker 3: and acorns falling, that kind of thing. So we went
Speaker 3: on our walk. We walked all the way up about
Speaker 3: two miles up the mountain, I think, just looking at tracks.
Speaker 3: I was trying to see what kind of tracks were
Speaker 3: crossing the road. I always something I always do. I
Speaker 3: like to find bare tracks if I can. They're hard
Speaker 3: to find around here sometimes because of the ground, but
Speaker 3: we was wet, and I factually did find some. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of deer tracks from going across the road,
Speaker 3: and they go up the cut of the you know
Speaker 3: where it rises above on the right side, and big
Speaker 3: an so you can kind of see what's been going
Speaker 3: across the road. And we walked up all of the
Speaker 3: top about two miles and I saw a huge boulder
Speaker 3: there like there's beside the road, and I decided to
Speaker 3: for some reason. So I picked up a rock and
Speaker 3: threw it as hard as I could against that boulder,
Speaker 3: and it really did work that time. It echoed throughout
Speaker 3: all the little all the canyons and little It's just
Speaker 3: a very rocky area. There's a lot of rock formations
Speaker 3: and there's not no open ground, and so I could
Speaker 3: kind of hear it echoing throughout. And then we stopped.
Speaker 3: The lessons heard nothing. So I started going back down
Speaker 3: the mountain, which is an unfortunate thing because we were
Speaker 3: going down and I remember almost running and I ran
Speaker 3: and my keys fell out of my pocket. This is
Speaker 3: not related to this story, but it's just it made
Speaker 3: the things made things worse. But anyway, sometime my keys
Speaker 3: fell out of the pocket while I was running down.
Speaker 3: We were pretty much jogging down the road and I
Speaker 3: get back to the truck and my door is one
Speaker 3: foot open. I knew how. I was sure I closed it,
Speaker 3: but it was just hanging open, which was weird to me,
Speaker 3: but I wasn't quite sure. I knew I left it closed,
Speaker 3: but I didn't know somebody messed with it. I didn't
Speaker 3: know what had happened. But I loaded up the truck.
Speaker 3: I opened it up, loaded up the dogs, and closed
Speaker 3: the door. I was standing outside trying to get in
Speaker 3: my pockets, trying to find the keys, which weren't there,
Speaker 3: when I noticed at the corner of my eye, about
Speaker 3: I don't know, just a few feet ahead of my truck,
Speaker 3: I noticed a pebble hit the like hit in the
Speaker 3: center of the road and bounced across the road. And
Speaker 3: I mean see, it was just all happened split second.
Speaker 3: So at the time I thought it was weird, but
Speaker 3: I was worried about where are my keys? Where are
Speaker 3: my keys? And just literally a second later, I heard
Speaker 3: some crash from the right side of the road through
Speaker 3: the trees, and I looked up in time to see
Speaker 3: a rock or you know, I could see the blur
Speaker 3: of it or whatever go over my head and land
Speaker 3: on on the other side of me, Like it went
Speaker 3: over my truck, over my head and let it on
Speaker 3: the other side of me and just bounced and kind
Speaker 3: of rolled a little bit, so it was like lobbed,
Speaker 3: not thrown. You know. That's when I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: that first rock was a rock, because I know it was.
Speaker 3: I just I just I don't know. I didn't register like, okay,
Speaker 3: someone's out there throwing rocks whatever, and but this is
Speaker 3: a bigger rock and it was felt more aggressive, and
Speaker 3: so I turned around the direction that came and yelled.
Speaker 3: I just yelled, hey, like, you know, why are you
Speaker 3: messing with me? Or whore? What's going on? What is this?
Speaker 3: And immediately I was met with very hard to describe
Speaker 3: low grunts or like or whooping or it's like, I
Speaker 3: don't I haven't been able to find exactly an exact
Speaker 3: match online or anything for what it sounded like. But
Speaker 3: it was more just and there. I could feel it
Speaker 3: like I was looking up and I could I couldn't
Speaker 3: see them, but I could feel that there was two
Speaker 3: of them because they were both facing me when they
Speaker 3: were making this noise, and there was one that was
Speaker 3: a little bit higher than the other one, and it
Speaker 3: was all at the same time, and it felt like,
Speaker 3: you know, I knew where they're at. I could see them,
Speaker 3: but I couldn't see them. I could just tell from
Speaker 3: the noise that there was two of them. I belief anyway.
Speaker 3: So at that exact time is when the fear really
Speaker 3: really gripped me, because my mind was trying to figure out, Okay,
Speaker 3: what's making this noise and it didn't sound I mean,
Speaker 3: it didn't sound human at all. I can't replicate it myself,
Speaker 3: and I'm a pretty large guy, and so I was
Speaker 3: really freaked out by that point. So I unloaded my dogs.
Speaker 3: I couldn't find my keys, and I looked under the
Speaker 3: truck everywhere as fast as I could, but I decided
Speaker 3: it was better to unload the dogs and get down
Speaker 3: the hill because I didn't know what was making this
Speaker 3: noise and it was freaking me out. And so I
Speaker 3: got the dogs out the truck and the same thing.
Speaker 3: They went off again, like six or seven times, and
Speaker 3: at one point it felt like you could hear it
Speaker 3: turn or whatever it was turned towards the other one.
Speaker 3: The higher pitched one always was at me, but they
Speaker 3: could feel the lower pitch was felt like it turned
Speaker 3: away from me and was still making the noise, just
Speaker 3: by the sound coming out of the woods. My reaction
Speaker 3: was to go down the hill to the gate, because
Speaker 3: there's the blacktop starts and there's houses. There's somewhere to
Speaker 3: run if I can. I can't get my keys, I
Speaker 3: don't I can't drive out of there. There's somewhere to go.
Speaker 3: If they come at me, and pretty much once I
Speaker 3: got down to the gate, I hooked the dog's leasious
Speaker 3: on the gate and I just turned around and watched
Speaker 3: that area and I heard too quick crashes like crashing
Speaker 3: in the brushes, crash, crash, crash, crash, and it sounded
Speaker 3: for sure that it was going away from me, And
Speaker 3: so that was pretty much it. They that was the
Speaker 3: last I heard. I got on the phone and called
Speaker 3: for help. Someone came out there and we walked the
Speaker 3: whole route again, armed looking for the keys. I was
Speaker 3: looking up like trying to hear anything, trying to see anything.
Speaker 3: I was out there. I called a locksmith and got
Speaker 3: my key situation fixed. I was out there for a
Speaker 3: couple hours, just watching, never heard or seeing anything after that.
Speaker 3: The issue with it is is the noises. I just can't.
Speaker 3: We talked about well, could have been people, well, where
Speaker 3: they were at at the time they were on it
Speaker 3: was extremely rocky, extremely wet. I just and the noises
Speaker 3: that came out of there were just I didn't I
Speaker 3: don't know how a human can replicate them. And that's
Speaker 3: where the fear came from, I guess. But that's pretty
Speaker 3: much it. That's the story that happened. There's a little
Speaker 3: more to it as far as some things that were
Speaker 3: out there that I saw that don't make total sense
Speaker 3: to me. There's there's a plate out there sitting on
Speaker 3: a rock with some dog were very very on it,
Speaker 3: arranged in a circle as it was or something, and uh,
Speaker 3: there's yeah, I don't I don't know. That's pretty mu
Speaker 3: that's what happened, Bill.
Speaker 2: That is extremely intense one. Thank you for Sharon. I
Speaker 2: know that this is hard for you to recount. We
Speaker 2: were talking about this beforehand, that this is one of
Speaker 2: the only times you really talked about it.
Speaker 3: It's still affected me because there's you know, I could
Speaker 3: see the place where it happened from my backyard, you know,
Speaker 3: and not for days. I just I couldn't even stand
Speaker 3: to look at it. It brought fear to me, and so
Speaker 3: I got this idea that I was going to conquer
Speaker 3: my fear. So I waited a week and I took
Speaker 3: my dogs up there, and there was people up there.
Speaker 3: There was there was some hunters that were getting ready
Speaker 3: to go hunt, and there was a camper that was
Speaker 3: loading up his stuff and he had been camping out there.
Speaker 3: So I felt I got some nerve to get my
Speaker 3: dogs out of the truck and try to go up
Speaker 3: there and just look see what was up there. And
Speaker 3: my dogs I didn't talk about their reaction, but I
Speaker 3: don't know about the reaction when it happened, because the
Speaker 3: one is she's real, she loves people, she's all I
Speaker 3: gotta be like around Discovery, around me all the time.
Speaker 3: And I don't know she was going off by fear,
Speaker 3: but she was afraid at the time.
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Speaker 3: My other dog just looked. She didn't bark, she didn't anything.
Speaker 3: She just looked up. She looked at the direction. She
Speaker 3: didn't go crazy like she would have if there was
Speaker 3: a human up there and doing that thing. Anyway, this
Speaker 3: ties into this week later, when I brought the dogs
Speaker 3: back up there, I tried to go up a deer
Speaker 3: trail into there, and my dog pulled against me and
Speaker 3: would not go in there. So I brought her down
Speaker 3: and went around the road and up the hill to
Speaker 3: a spot where it wasn't so steep, and there was
Speaker 3: there was another deal for deer trail, but it was
Speaker 3: more open now and the same thing she pulled me,
Speaker 3: she pulled me she would not go up in there,
Speaker 3: and I couldn't hear anything, see anything. She just wouldn't
Speaker 3: go up in there. We went across the road and
Speaker 3: she went straight into the woods. So that's another part
Speaker 3: of it. So she just didn't want to go in there.
Speaker 3: It's really strange because I go in the woods everywhere
Speaker 3: and she loves the woods, but that section is not
Speaker 3: where she wants to go.
Speaker 2: Did you get a chance to talk to the camper
Speaker 2: that was up there, yeah, asked him.
Speaker 3: He said he didn't hear anything. He was he was
Speaker 3: down the hill from there against the almost the creek,
Speaker 3: and the creek right now it's full and it's a
Speaker 3: bunch of step waterfalls, so it is really loud down there.
Speaker 3: But he said the same thing he said. He said,
Speaker 3: he said, if if there was and he he didn't
Speaker 3: hear anything, but he said, if it was a king
Speaker 3: pointed to where I was talking about. He said, we
Speaker 3: would come from over there. That's all he said.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I wonder what he meant. That is very interesting.
Speaker 3: No, he just said he said, if it's if there's something,
Speaker 3: you know, it's gonna be coming from over there. And
Speaker 3: that could make sense in a way that on. On
Speaker 3: one side of the road is you know, there's a
Speaker 3: creek and that's where the people go. You know, there's
Speaker 3: you know, there's just you know, people that just drive
Speaker 3: out there and just want to get out in the
Speaker 3: wood a little bit. There's trails and stuff. The other
Speaker 3: side of the road would be where the people aren't.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that makes sense. Do you mind if I
Speaker 2: ask us some questions about sure? No, Okay, did you
Speaker 2: notice a smell when you were up there during the
Speaker 2: actual situation that happened?
Speaker 3: Okay, No, But like I said, I don't Yeah, I
Speaker 3: didn't mention it in the story, but they were probably
Speaker 3: fifty feet away from me. I'm just it felt like
Speaker 3: I could tell exactly where they were at when they
Speaker 3: were wooping or hooping or grunting or whatever. But I
Speaker 3: would guess fifty fifty yards ahead of me, above me.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's rock formations up there, But no, I didn't
Speaker 3: smell anything.
Speaker 2: Maybe natural caves up there, stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean there are in that area. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: still haven't been where they were with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I can understand how you might not want
Speaker 2: to when when you were up there were there other
Speaker 2: sounds that you heard that didn't really make sense either.
Speaker 3: No, this is this is the place I've been and
Speaker 3: nothing was out of place. Ever when I was there
Speaker 3: it was nice. Other times far as quiet, and it's beautiful,
Speaker 3: you know with the all the step waterfolos. And you
Speaker 3: know that's part of it too, is when that when
Speaker 3: the water was up like that, it's pretty loud coming
Speaker 3: off from that one side. The water is all the
Speaker 3: all the steps that it's coming down, the rushing water
Speaker 3: so on that on that one side. And you know,
Speaker 3: the times I've been there, I would have been near
Speaker 3: that and I would have you know, so I didn't
Speaker 3: really hear anything when I was in there.
Speaker 2: Gotcha. When you were hearing the sounds at the different times,
Speaker 2: how did those sounds affect you.
Speaker 3: Fear. I'm not going to talk about myself too much,
Speaker 3: but I was. I used to be in the military,
Speaker 3: and I did serve in Iraq, and I did almost die,
Speaker 3: and I felt the fear of that long that and
Speaker 3: this was this close to that or worse. I don't
Speaker 3: know why. Some of it was maybe not being able
Speaker 3: to have my keys. The other part of it was
Speaker 3: it was enough vocalizations that I had time to think
Speaker 3: about it. And listen to it and realized that this
Speaker 3: isn't some kids throwing rocks at me from the woods,
Speaker 3: so that I just remember, I remember the fear watching
Speaker 3: over me when they first started, and I listened to
Speaker 3: it for a split second.
Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing about your service, and also thank
Speaker 2: you for your service. Were is there any time when
Speaker 2: when you heard those noises those sounds did they affect
Speaker 2: any physical part of your body at all?
Speaker 3: No? No, I didn't have anything like that. I was,
Speaker 3: I was, yeah, I think everything was on just it
Speaker 3: was just I was just wondering what this was, and
Speaker 3: I didn't know if I was in danger or not,
Speaker 3: and so I was. I never did make an aggressive
Speaker 3: move towards me other than the rocks, but I didn't
Speaker 3: want to see or find out. I got out there
Speaker 3: pretty down the hill pretty fast because I just didn't
Speaker 3: know what I was doing with.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting in situations like this, you always I
Speaker 2: always wonder if if you had been up there, and
Speaker 2: if you hadn't done the things with the rocks initially,
Speaker 2: if the same response would have happened. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: you probably think same thing, or I.
Speaker 3: Thought I thought of everything. That's why I tell up
Speaker 3: at the story. That's why it's over. But I did
Speaker 3: do this. I did try to do something, and it's
Speaker 3: part of the story that but I don't know if
Speaker 3: it caused it to happen or not. But it's strange
Speaker 3: that I've never done anything like that before. The one
Speaker 3: time I do it, something happens. I don't I feel
Speaker 3: like it is. I feel like it caused a reaction
Speaker 3: of some time, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: You mentioned it really quickly that there was some weird
Speaker 2: stuff that you've you've found up there, and so you
Speaker 2: mentioned you found a plate with dog vertebrate on the
Speaker 2: plate in a circle. Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, right, there's That's the strange thing, and almost
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. There was a dog
Speaker 3: that day, the day that it happened, there was a
Speaker 3: dog that it looked like somebody had dupped or something.
Speaker 3: It was just a skeleton. There was no flesh, but
Speaker 3: it was a large dog, or at least the best
Speaker 3: I could tell. And you know, it was a large dog,
Speaker 3: full skeleton, like somebody had just stomped there or something.
Speaker 3: Because anyway, this like a time I went back, there
Speaker 3: was plates sitting on a rock. I thought it was
Speaker 3: a stop, but as a rock with the vertebrae arranged
Speaker 3: in a circle.
Speaker 2: So that was the second time that you went yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when when i the vertebrae had been moved from
Speaker 3: across the road to onto a plate in the on
Speaker 3: the edge of the woods, on the right side of
Speaker 3: the room, the other side of the room.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's really interesting. So the first time, and so.
Speaker 3: Somebody had moved it. Somebody had moved somebody had gathered
Speaker 3: up them vertebrae and put them on a plate across
Speaker 3: the road at the edge of the woods, on a
Speaker 3: sitting on a rock.
Speaker 2: The initial time, the first time you went up there,
Speaker 2: where was the skeleton in relation to where the noises
Speaker 2: were coming out from the woods.
Speaker 3: It was not too far. It was I don't remember exactly.
Speaker 3: I know it was ahead of my truck because we
Speaker 3: found it when we were looking for the keys, so
Speaker 3: we were off the road a little bit. I'm thinking,
Speaker 3: you know that maybe they had slung on my pocket
Speaker 3: and rolled down the hill a little bit or something,
Speaker 3: and that's where we found this dog. It was it
Speaker 3: was on the side of the like someone had thrown it,
Speaker 3: just like pulled over and just thrown the dog out
Speaker 3: or else. It died there naturally, but it didn't look naturally.
Speaker 3: There was other trash around and it just looked like domps.
Speaker 3: It was a full skeleton. But then too just you know,
Speaker 3: just a couple or lately someone had moved it and
Speaker 3: put put on a plate in a circle and across
Speaker 3: the road. They hadn't moved the dog, they just took
Speaker 3: the vertebrae and it ranged them in a circle and
Speaker 3: put them on the edge of the woods on a
Speaker 3: rock on a plate. That wasn't it close? Yeah, I
Speaker 3: was close. I was at the base of where I
Speaker 3: had my encounter.
Speaker 2: That's really interesting.
Speaker 3: I don't know if somebody's out there missing with them,
Speaker 3: or we're trying to communicate or work out from you two.
Speaker 3: I've seen things similar to that, or they can see
Speaker 3: if it's been rearranged. When I first saw it, I
Speaker 3: didn't think that, but then later I thought, I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: I've seen that kind of stuff. It was strange. It
Speaker 3: was just caught first time. When I first saw it
Speaker 3: was like, that's strange, Well would anybody do that? But
Speaker 3: who know, there's there's stuff out there. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's applay for you know, there's all kinds of
Speaker 3: stuff going on there or around here. Crazy.
Speaker 2: So was it a throwaway plate or was it like
Speaker 2: an ornate plate that you wouldn't throw away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a glass plate.
Speaker 2: Last plate, okay, And approximately how many vertebrae were on
Speaker 2: the plate in order to form the circle?
Speaker 3: Three or three or four? Maybe I'd have to look
Speaker 3: it was actually pictures.
Speaker 2: You have pictures of this, well, I have.
Speaker 3: A picture of it now. I was checking it out
Speaker 3: this morning. I don't want to say anything. It's not
Speaker 3: like right because my my, my memory had it. There's
Speaker 3: so many on there, and I went and checked it
Speaker 3: this morning and they were in a more of a
Speaker 3: jump old part and there's about three or four on there.
Speaker 3: But I couldn't really see any signs of any there's
Speaker 3: leaves on it, and I didn't see any signs of
Speaker 3: anybody messling with it, right like, I don't know. The
Speaker 3: leaves are falling pretty fast right now. I don't know.
Speaker 3: But I couldn't see any sign of anybody being around there.
Speaker 2: Oh so you went back up there to look at
Speaker 2: it again? Yeah, okay, see anybody.
Speaker 3: I hadn't messed with it, and I can't really tell.
Speaker 3: I can't really be sure because you know, I just can't.
Speaker 3: I just there's too much. There was too much going
Speaker 3: on in my mind. Even the second time I went
Speaker 3: up there, when my dogs were afraid, I was afraid.
Speaker 3: I don't know. There was something about this thing that
Speaker 3: just scares me. I don't even want to be around
Speaker 3: that area anymore. I went in there today and it
Speaker 3: was creepy, and I'm like, no, no, I stay out
Speaker 3: of here.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you talking about this because I I mean,
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, if there's anyone that has never wanted
Speaker 2: to talk about what they experienced, I mean, you definitely are.
Speaker 2: This isn't something that you're wanting to do, but you
Speaker 2: are getting it out there, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: It messed with my hand a lot, is fruit. It
Speaker 3: scared me so bad, and I don't know, I think it.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was because I was paying attention to the
Speaker 3: subject or whatever that I just felt like somebody should
Speaker 3: know about it. I used to think that I would
Speaker 3: like to do some of that kind of stuff. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm a musician, and I'm like, I'm gonna take my
Speaker 3: guitar out there. I'm just gonna play, you know, because
Speaker 3: I hear stories, you know, just playing music up there,
Speaker 3: and now I'm just like, oh no, I don't. I
Speaker 3: don't know if I want anything to.
Speaker 2: Do, Yeah, I would.
Speaker 3: It's scary.
Speaker 2: I would say, if you don't want to have stuff happen,
Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't recommend you go out there with your
Speaker 2: guitar and start singing, because I've experienced in Oregon a
Speaker 2: gentleman playing guitar in the woods and stuff totally happened
Speaker 2: and it was intense.
Speaker 3: So I mean, it's gonna like if some they hear
Speaker 3: and you know, I can tell you a story I
Speaker 3: don't have, Like I grew up in the woods. I
Speaker 3: grew up in the the middle of nowhere and in
Speaker 3: the Deep South, and I never had an experience like this.
Speaker 3: I heard stories, but I just don't, you know, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's you open your mind to
Speaker 3: it and then it happens, or I don't understand it.
Speaker 3: I don't really know, because I've had friends tell me,
Speaker 3: you know, things, and they think they might have an
Speaker 3: experience or something like that, but I've never had anything
Speaker 3: until after I studied it and did that rock clocking
Speaker 3: and somehow I don't know.
Speaker 2: Were Is there any other things that were like that,
Speaker 2: the plate was out of place? Was there anything else
Speaker 2: up there that you noticed that just was kind of off,
Speaker 2: shouldn't have been there.
Speaker 3: No, not really that The way the plates are is
Speaker 3: just on the edge of private versus federal land. There's
Speaker 3: been people out there burning trash, not in the not
Speaker 3: in the federal land, just out and on the edge
Speaker 3: of it. Where wherever my experience happened, it was in
Speaker 3: frederal Land, which is clean, very well taken like. It's
Speaker 3: a very well maintained area. It's not this crazy wilderness.
Speaker 2: Big for a society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: It's just I mean, there's plenty of people who live
Speaker 3: around here, right but I don't know any time to
Speaker 3: get the mountains around here, it feels feels like you
Speaker 3: are I don't know, I didn't really notice anything.
Speaker 2: The next question I'm going I'm going to say you carefully.
Speaker 2: You mentioned that you are talking to a researcher. Already,
Speaker 2: we're not going to say who it is or where
Speaker 2: this area is. But when you talk to the researcher,
Speaker 2: what was their reaction to you when you mentioned where
Speaker 2: the location is, because I'm sure you mentioned where the
Speaker 2: location is to whoever it is.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, their reaction is is because there's there's reports
Speaker 3: that I know about that anybody can find out about.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to give it to the location. But
Speaker 3: from my location, there are reports from where this happened.
Speaker 3: There are reports within there's a cluster reports within ten miles,
Speaker 3: eight miles, there's I'm basically surrounded by reports. As far
Speaker 3: as that goes. The researcher does believe that there's something
Speaker 3: going on in that area because of some of their research,
Speaker 3: the things that they've had. It wasn't in their area
Speaker 3: or where they're researching it. It was just close enough, right, Wow,
Speaker 3: that they believe that there's something out there. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I just don't want to talk about anybody that I
Speaker 3: don't have permission to or anything like that. Oh absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 3: Well I didn't do that whatever they're going to do.
Speaker 3: But they do believe there's something going on there.
Speaker 2: But oh, I sorry, I've got I've almost forgot to
Speaker 2: ask this.
Speaker 3: And uh.
Speaker 2: So after after you had this happen a few weeks ago,
Speaker 2: did anything weird happen at your home or did you
Speaker 2: start having any really intense dreams before.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is the part I don't want to talk about.
Speaker 2: Okay, and we can leave it there. That's fine, No, I.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess what I mean is I don't you know,
Speaker 3: I don't I had a I saw two UFOs right
Speaker 3: before it happened, like within a week, one one UFO
Speaker 3: one night, and a week later another one, and then
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks later this happens. So I had
Speaker 3: three crazy things happened to me, all in a short
Speaker 3: amount of time, and I don't really know how. I
Speaker 3: don't want to sound crazy. I don't want to anything,
Speaker 3: so I'm just like, I know what I saw. I
Speaker 3: don't know what happened, but it's just it's strange from
Speaker 3: the same area. One of them flew right over it, wow.
Speaker 3: The other one was a little fucking down the ridge,
Speaker 3: and one was crazy, and one was just a unexplained light.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's just a light that flew
Speaker 3: over the ridge and over my house and then straight up.
Speaker 3: And when it was straight up, I'm like, okay, that's
Speaker 3: not that's not right, and it disappeared. The second one
Speaker 3: was much more enchance and crazier, and it came straight
Speaker 3: from that area. I don't know what to think about
Speaker 3: that subject because I'm not I just can't. And I
Speaker 3: have my own ideas of what these are, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know if I can. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know. The UFO thing will not
Speaker 3: make me sound crazy, so I don't even Yeah.
Speaker 2: So and building no one everyone here is definitely on
Speaker 2: your side. And I have experienced that as well. I mean,
Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense, absolutely not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Yeah, here's the thing. It's just that
Speaker 3: when either of these things happened, my phone, Well, when
Speaker 3: the UFO, I didn't have my phone, but I went
Speaker 3: and got my phone, if anyone's too late. And when
Speaker 3: this happened, you know, when I got the rocks for
Speaker 3: I mean I had my phone. I used my phone
Speaker 3: to call somebody use my phone too. I was scared.
Speaker 3: And so I don't have like visual evidence the one UFO.
Speaker 3: If I had gotten visual evidence, it would be it
Speaker 3: would have been crazy. I mean, you know, I've looked
Speaker 3: online to see something similar and I can't find something.
Speaker 3: It was crazy, and I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, I can explain it. I can
Speaker 3: talk about it, but it makes me sound crazy to
Speaker 3: say it. But you know, if you want to hear it,
Speaker 3: i'll tell you. I don't. I don't know. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: I guess it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, whatever you want to share, I am.
Speaker 2: I am here to listen for sure.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well I'll just tell her real quick. Just didn't
Speaker 3: shorty kail. It didn't scare me. It just made me.
Speaker 3: I kind of tranced out and just stared at it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just couldn't believe that I was
Speaker 3: looking at figure out what I was looking at. And
Speaker 3: then the time I got out of it and then
Speaker 3: got my phone, it had pretty much gone away. But
Speaker 3: it was. It was just right above the mountains, and
Speaker 3: it was about a long line of blue lights. That's
Speaker 3: the way I saw it, because I was playing guitar
Speaker 3: outside and I stepped out in my backyard away from
Speaker 3: my porch light, and I could see like they were
Speaker 3: they weren't protruding out. The lights weren't like weren't out protruding,
Speaker 3: weren't shining out. It was more like shiny inward into
Speaker 3: whatever this was. And there was blue, just a long
Speaker 3: line of blue blue lights, like as, oh, this is
Speaker 3: what the problem is. How big it was it was
Speaker 3: It was every bit two football feels a long one
Speaker 3: football fielding. I don't even know how to say how
Speaker 3: long it was. And you could see in between what
Speaker 3: looked like windows and metallic something so look a long,
Speaker 3: long ship of some sort. And it just moved across
Speaker 3: the sky flower than a plain wood maybe like a helicopter.
Speaker 3: And it flew over my neighbor's house and kind of
Speaker 3: turned a little bit and just went up. And when
Speaker 3: it when it turned, I could it turned the lights
Speaker 3: away from me, like towards the up towards the sky,
Speaker 3: I guess, and I could see more of a rounded
Speaker 3: bottom and dark no lights at all. It's a dark
Speaker 3: silhouette and just kind of descended up into the clouds.
Speaker 3: There was something. There was a few clouds around me.
Speaker 3: It went straight through a cloud and out of sight.
Speaker 3: But the size of it is just unreal. I just
Speaker 3: don't know how. I don't know how to even process
Speaker 3: what it was. It wasn't lights, It was a ship
Speaker 3: of some kind. So yeah, that's it. It's incredible crazy,
Speaker 3: it's crazy, and that's clewe right over where that issue
Speaker 3: was gotcha, but I don't. I don't. I can't put
Speaker 3: it together. I don't know. So strange that it happened, and
Speaker 3: it all happened like within you know, a short amount
Speaker 3: of time, same area. I can see why people say
Speaker 3: that there's a connection maybe, though I don't know right right,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can get there or not
Speaker 3: for where I believe there is or not.
Speaker 2: I want to say thank you for spending your time.
Speaker 2: There's just a few more more questions, and there's there's
Speaker 2: what I'm going to ask, and you know then I
Speaker 2: won't really push a lot after it. But so after
Speaker 2: you had your your encounter with with the what we
Speaker 2: think we're bigfoot, did you did you start to have
Speaker 2: any other things happen around your home or any vivid
Speaker 2: dreams or anything like that.
Speaker 3: I had a dream about about the noises and all that,
Speaker 3: but just once. It's not really anything. I don't drink,
Speaker 3: I don't. Everything's pretty normal. I've been I've been looking
Speaker 3: out that way. I mean, I can't really I don't
Speaker 3: know if i'd ever hear anything out there or not,
Speaker 3: because there's there's some catafags between me and you know
Speaker 3: where it happened, and you know, there's just noise other
Speaker 3: animaloids and stuff that's scared animals, and I don't yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't think. I can't think of anything. Nothing really happened.
Speaker 3: It's been pretty normal. That's great.
Speaker 2: I checked just because sometimes I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: a trend or it's just a thing I always I've
Speaker 2: started to check on in the last month or so,
Speaker 2: just to kind of get more data on it. It's
Speaker 2: just very interesting how it can happen.
Speaker 3: Sometimes the a phototing I was told the one person too,
Speaker 3: and that person was talking. I'm not sure it happened,
Speaker 3: but anyway, apparently I was not the only one that's
Speaker 3: seen it. Someone else had seen it on a different night,
Speaker 3: very similar to the same thing, in the same area.
Speaker 3: So it wasn't the same, but it was the same
Speaker 3: type of citing, the same description, almost the same except
Speaker 3: for a few small details. I did find somebody else
Speaker 3: that had seen something like that several years ago in
Speaker 3: between now, and it made me feel a little better.
Speaker 3: But I'm still like, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 3: what it is. I don't you know, there's there's there's
Speaker 3: military training or you know, everywhere and you know, I've
Speaker 3: seen military helicopters training, which I used to be in
Speaker 3: the military. It doesn't that's what happens. You know, they
Speaker 3: train away from where we are at, so it doesn't
Speaker 3: bother me if I see military, you know, training or
Speaker 3: doing something there in that area too, but not on
Speaker 3: the ground, I don't think. I just see helicopters a
Speaker 3: lot military helicopters.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, But.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Bill, I have no clue.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking the time to talk this afternoon
Speaker 2: before we end out our time here today. Were there
Speaker 2: any other things that you had wanted to share that
Speaker 2: you haven't been able to share yet.
Speaker 3: No, I'm probably there's probably something I'm leaving out or forgetting.
Speaker 3: But you know, this has been a whirl wind as
Speaker 3: far as that goes, because it's taken me a little
Speaker 3: bit to get over it, and being in the woods
Speaker 3: is a big part of my life and I don't
Speaker 3: want to give it up. And where I met it
Speaker 3: is beautiful, and so I'm trying to deal with that.
Speaker 3: But not that I can think of. I think that's
Speaker 3: pretty much what I everything. All the pertinent details.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you feel it's important to share what's happened
Speaker 2: to you, like how you're talking to me today, Is
Speaker 2: that something you would recommend other people to do or
Speaker 2: I would?
Speaker 3: I would exactly. For the reason why I told that
Speaker 3: UFO story was when I heard someone else say that
Speaker 3: they had seen the same thing. It made me feel
Speaker 3: less crazy. It made me feel better. And as far
Speaker 3: as some you know, people out here researching or trying
Speaker 3: to find out the truth, every little bit of information,
Speaker 3: you don't know what it's going to lead to or
Speaker 3: what could happen, and it could turn into, you know,
Speaker 3: being the little clue that gets it started to discover
Speaker 3: you and some answers some of that stuff. I just
Speaker 3: believe that we as humans don't know everything thing and
Speaker 3: the stuff about our world that we're not quite privy
Speaker 3: to yet. And I think people just yeah, that's all
Speaker 3: I really wanted to say. I believe it's important ton't
Speaker 3: share it, to share the stuff. So so if there's patterns,
Speaker 3: if there's if it just even if it just helps
Speaker 3: somebody where they don't, they feel a little luck, a
Speaker 3: little less crazy. If something happened, it did help me
Speaker 3: that there's someone else had seen something similar, because I
Speaker 3: was like, I can't I didn't even want to tell
Speaker 3: a story because I got these two stories that are crazy.
Speaker 3: All happened back to back, and I'm like, you people
Speaker 3: are going to think I'm crazy, but that's what happened.
Speaker 3: I think it's important.
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming for coming forward with with what happened.
Speaker 2: You are always welcome, more than welcome. If you, you know,
Speaker 2: need to ask any questions or you want a touch
Speaker 2: base at a later time, you can now reach out
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean hope of the future. Yeah goes well,
Speaker 2: especially with the researcher.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know if I want to
Speaker 3: be looking for things to happen, but if something does happened,
Speaker 3: I let you know, all right, But you know because
Speaker 3: I'm I'm out here all the time, but I just
Speaker 3: don't Yeah, I'm trying to struggle with myself, like to
Speaker 3: just like see what I want to do with it,
Speaker 3: because it stays on your mind and you want to,
Speaker 3: you want to. I don't know. I never thought, you know,
Speaker 3: that I might research, but then I was thinking about it.
Speaker 3: Now I'm thinking I'm scared of it. But now I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: maybe I do want to. I don't know, We'll see
Speaker 3: what happens.
Speaker 2: Absolutely well either way. Feel free definitely to keep in
Speaker 2: touch and Bill thanks again for coming on the show today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks so much for letting me come on. I
Speaker 3: appreciate it.
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