WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.120 --> 00:00:05.000 You're listening to Bigfoot Society podcasts hosted by our captain 2 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:10.640 Jeremiah Byron, where it's all Bigfoot, all the time. Have 3 00:00:10.759 --> 00:00:14.039 you ever had the urge to do more, to be more? 4 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:18.320 Now you can by joining Bigfoot Society on the Patreon 5 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:22.519 get out free episodes and even number only episodes, take 6 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:26.359 part in movie Night and even live video chats, interact 7 00:00:26.399 --> 00:00:29.920 behind the scenes with Jeremiah and other Patreon members like me, 8 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:34.759 play it the powerful podcast goes on, and you may 9 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:39.479 contribute a verse in our Patreon community car padm Seize 10 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:42.880 the day, Bigfooters and make your lives extraordinary. 11 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:46.240 Welcome to big for Society. 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He's had 26 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:34.640 an interesting thing happen that he is wanting to come 27 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:38.000 forward with and just pretty much get off his chest. 28 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:40.799 So Bill, thank you for coming on the show today, 29 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:43.840 and you're welcome to go ahead and share what you 30 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:45.400 would like to regarding what happened. 31 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:51.400 Okay, thank you. Jeremar Well, the long short of a 32 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:55.439 story about me, I need to explain what led up 33 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:58.799 to it because some of the actions that I did, 34 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.239 some of the things I did. You know, it looks 35 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:03.920 it'll it will explain why I did what I did. 36 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:08.319 But anyway, I live in the Sandeau Valley, which is 37 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:12.120 in western Virginia. It's a very beautiful area. It's got 38 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:16.039 lots of mountains and rivers. It's very rocky and just 39 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:19.560 a great place to live. I'm pretty much retired, so 40 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:23.159 I was pretty much spent. I spend my days playing 41 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:26.240 guitar and walking my dogs. I walk my dogs every day. 42 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:30.680 And that's how That's what led up to this is 43 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:36.879 I have a ridgeline near my house that I hadn't 44 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:39.520 walked up, and then just this year I started walking up. 45 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:42.360 And this is maybe the fifth or sixth time i'd 46 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:45.800 been up there. It's just a really well maintained road, 47 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:50.159 federal land. There's people out there at certain times of 48 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:53.639 the year other times, though the first few times I 49 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:56.879 went there, I didn't see any gun at all, so 50 00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:02.360 it's not exactly the wilderness, but but you know, it's 51 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:05.800 there's I don't know if that's hard to explain it. 52 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:08.439 When you get in the woods out here, a mile 53 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:15.960 feels like ten miles from where I'm from you. So anyway, 54 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:21.159 I guess it started with me walking my dogs. I 55 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:24.159 decided to go out there one morning and just a 56 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:27.520 couple of weeks ago and walk up the mountain because 57 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:32.319 uphill trying to stay in shape and trying to train 58 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:35.479 my dogs not to pull me, and it uphill just 59 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:38.599 really worked out good. And it's a great road and 60 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:42.000 it's very scenic. There's a creek that runs below it, 61 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:44.639 and it's cutting to the side of a mountain, so 62 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:46.879 it rises above you on your right side and your 63 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:48.520 left side. It kind of goes down into a little 64 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:52.960 valley in the creek. That creek is full of water. 65 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:54.759 It was full of water at the time. I think 66 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:58.599 it had rained five inches the night before. It was 67 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:03.479 extremely wet and cloudy that day, so it was about 68 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:06.479 I got there about ten o'clock in the morning, and 69 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:11.520 the forest was dark because of the cloudiness, and then 70 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:15.280 it just stopped rating thirty minutes earlier. But anyway, I 71 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:19.639 had been watching a lot of things on YouTube about 72 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:24.759 sasquatch and all that, and so I knew techniques and 73 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:28.399 what people did. I didn't know if there was any 74 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:34.160 out here. I just was curious about the subject. And 75 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:37.839 so for some reason this morning, when I got I 76 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:40.000 let I took my dogs out of the truck. After 77 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:44.360 parking at the back base in the mountain, I decided 78 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:47.439 to grab some I was looking for a piece of 79 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:49.439 wood or something to hit against the tree, because it 80 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:51.439 was just on my mind. I had been watching it, 81 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:54.199 and I was just like, there's no one out here 82 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:57.240 as quiet. I wonder what would happen if I did anything. 83 00:04:57.279 --> 00:04:59.879 I didn't really think anything would happen, but I didn't. 84 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:02.360 It was really wet and I couldn't find anything that 85 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:08.399 would work good. So I picked up two rocks and 86 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:14.000 clacked them together in like a clack three clacks or 87 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:19.079 so with rhythm, and then just threw them down and stopped, 88 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:22.800 told my dogs to stop, and listened. We listened for 89 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:28.720 I don't know, maybe a minute or two, not very long, nothing, 90 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:31.120 and all I could hear was like the trees dripping 91 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:34.399 and acorns falling, that kind of thing. So we went 92 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:36.639 on our walk. We walked all the way up about 93 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:41.920 two miles up the mountain, I think, just looking at tracks. 94 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:45.000 I was trying to see what kind of tracks were 95 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:48.519 crossing the road. I always something I always do. I 96 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:50.680 like to find bare tracks if I can. They're hard 97 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:54.360 to find around here sometimes because of the ground, but 98 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:58.079 we was wet, and I factually did find some. There's 99 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.759 a lot of deer tracks from going across the road, 100 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.560 and they go up the cut of the you know 101 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:08.000 where it rises above on the right side, and big 102 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:10.319 an so you can kind of see what's been going 103 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:15.319 across the road. And we walked up all of the 104 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:22.000 top about two miles and I saw a huge boulder 105 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:27.399 there like there's beside the road, and I decided to 106 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:31.600 for some reason. So I picked up a rock and 107 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:35.720 threw it as hard as I could against that boulder, 108 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:39.240 and it really did work that time. It echoed throughout 109 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:41.759 all the little all the canyons and little It's just 110 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:44.639 a very rocky area. There's a lot of rock formations 111 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:47.519 and there's not no open ground, and so I could 112 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:50.600 kind of hear it echoing throughout. And then we stopped. 113 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:56.120 The lessons heard nothing. So I started going back down 114 00:06:56.639 --> 00:07:00.680 the mountain, which is an unfortunate thing because we were 115 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:03.920 going down and I remember almost running and I ran 116 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:07.399 and my keys fell out of my pocket. This is 117 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:10.839 not related to this story, but it's just it made 118 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:14.480 the things made things worse. But anyway, sometime my keys 119 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:16.120 fell out of the pocket while I was running down. 120 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:20.079 We were pretty much jogging down the road and I 121 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:23.759 get back to the truck and my door is one 122 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:28.680 foot open. I knew how. I was sure I closed it, 123 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:32.240 but it was just hanging open, which was weird to me, 124 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:37.680 but I wasn't quite sure. I knew I left it closed, 125 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:40.439 but I didn't know somebody messed with it. I didn't 126 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:43.800 know what had happened. But I loaded up the truck. 127 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:48.360 I opened it up, loaded up the dogs, and closed 128 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:52.120 the door. I was standing outside trying to get in 129 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:54.800 my pockets, trying to find the keys, which weren't there, 130 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.000 when I noticed at the corner of my eye, about 131 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:02.879 I don't know, just a few feet ahead of my truck, 132 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:06.439 I noticed a pebble hit the like hit in the 133 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:12.079 center of the road and bounced across the road. And 134 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:14.399 I mean see, it was just all happened split second. 135 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:16.800 So at the time I thought it was weird, but 136 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:19.120 I was worried about where are my keys? Where are 137 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:22.720 my keys? And just literally a second later, I heard 138 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:26.639 some crash from the right side of the road through 139 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:30.519 the trees, and I looked up in time to see 140 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:33.200 a rock or you know, I could see the blur 141 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:37.159 of it or whatever go over my head and land 142 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:40.000 on on the other side of me, Like it went 143 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:42.559 over my truck, over my head and let it on 144 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:45.080 the other side of me and just bounced and kind 145 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:48.279 of rolled a little bit, so it was like lobbed, 146 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:54.679 not thrown. You know. That's when I was like, Okay, 147 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:58.600 that first rock was a rock, because I know it was. 148 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:02.639 I just I just I don't know. I didn't register like, okay, 149 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:05.759 someone's out there throwing rocks whatever, and but this is 150 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:09.399 a bigger rock and it was felt more aggressive, and 151 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:14.519 so I turned around the direction that came and yelled. 152 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:17.399 I just yelled, hey, like, you know, why are you 153 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:20.919 messing with me? Or whore? What's going on? What is this? 154 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:25.200 And immediately I was met with very hard to describe 155 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:34.000 low grunts or like or whooping or it's like, I 156 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:39.039 don't I haven't been able to find exactly an exact 157 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:41.879 match online or anything for what it sounded like. But 158 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:48.679 it was more just and there. I could feel it 159 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.679 like I was looking up and I could I couldn't 160 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:55.120 see them, but I could feel that there was two 161 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:59.159 of them because they were both facing me when they 162 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:01.840 were making this noise, and there was one that was 163 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:05.440 a little bit higher than the other one, and it 164 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:07.480 was all at the same time, and it felt like, 165 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:09.840 you know, I knew where they're at. I could see them, 166 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:12.360 but I couldn't see them. I could just tell from 167 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:17.360 the noise that there was two of them. I belief anyway. 168 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:22.120 So at that exact time is when the fear really 169 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.279 really gripped me, because my mind was trying to figure out, Okay, 170 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:30.519 what's making this noise and it didn't sound I mean, 171 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:36.320 it didn't sound human at all. I can't replicate it myself, 172 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:41.879 and I'm a pretty large guy, and so I was 173 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:47.799 really freaked out by that point. So I unloaded my dogs. 174 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:50.759 I couldn't find my keys, and I looked under the 175 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:55.240 truck everywhere as fast as I could, but I decided 176 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:59.240 it was better to unload the dogs and get down 177 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:02.720 the hill because I didn't know what was making this 178 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:05.600 noise and it was freaking me out. And so I 179 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:09.759 got the dogs out the truck and the same thing. 180 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:14.440 They went off again, like six or seven times, and 181 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:18.639 at one point it felt like you could hear it 182 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:21.559 turn or whatever it was turned towards the other one. 183 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:24.600 The higher pitched one always was at me, but they 184 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:28.159 could feel the lower pitch was felt like it turned 185 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.399 away from me and was still making the noise, just 186 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:35.480 by the sound coming out of the woods. My reaction 187 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:40.720 was to go down the hill to the gate, because 188 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:45.639 there's the blacktop starts and there's houses. There's somewhere to 189 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:48.399 run if I can. I can't get my keys, I 190 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:51.360 don't I can't drive out of there. There's somewhere to go. 191 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:55.080 If they come at me, and pretty much once I 192 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:59.559 got down to the gate, I hooked the dog's leasious 193 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:04.159 on the gate and I just turned around and watched 194 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:10.440 that area and I heard too quick crashes like crashing 195 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:14.679 in the brushes, crash, crash, crash, crash, and it sounded 196 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:18.639 for sure that it was going away from me, And 197 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:24.879 so that was pretty much it. They that was the 198 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.840 last I heard. I got on the phone and called 199 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:33.759 for help. Someone came out there and we walked the 200 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:40.600 whole route again, armed looking for the keys. I was 201 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:44.000 looking up like trying to hear anything, trying to see anything. 202 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.080 I was out there. I called a locksmith and got 203 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:50.840 my key situation fixed. I was out there for a 204 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:55.159 couple hours, just watching, never heard or seeing anything after that. 205 00:12:55.720 --> 00:13:00.639 The issue with it is is the noises. I just can't. 206 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:04.600 We talked about well, could have been people, well, where 207 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:09.279 they were at at the time they were on it 208 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:16.840 was extremely rocky, extremely wet. I just and the noises 209 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:21.840 that came out of there were just I didn't I 210 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:25.120 don't know how a human can replicate them. And that's 211 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:30.320 where the fear came from, I guess. But that's pretty 212 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:34.960 much it. That's the story that happened. There's a little 213 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.320 more to it as far as some things that were 214 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:42.279 out there that I saw that don't make total sense 215 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:45.759 to me. There's there's a plate out there sitting on 216 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:49.519 a rock with some dog were very very on it, 217 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:53.000 arranged in a circle as it was or something, and uh, 218 00:13:54.559 --> 00:14:00.000 there's yeah, I don't I don't know. That's pretty mu 219 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:01.919 that's what happened, Bill. 220 00:14:02.039 --> 00:14:06.960 That is extremely intense one. Thank you for Sharon. I 221 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:09.720 know that this is hard for you to recount. We 222 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:15.080 were talking about this beforehand, that this is one of 223 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:18.519 the only times you really talked about it. 224 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:22.159 It's still affected me because there's you know, I could 225 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:26.240 see the place where it happened from my backyard, you know, 226 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:31.879 and not for days. I just I couldn't even stand 227 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:34.799 to look at it. It brought fear to me, and so 228 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:38.879 I got this idea that I was going to conquer 229 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:43.799 my fear. So I waited a week and I took 230 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:46.840 my dogs up there, and there was people up there. 231 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:50.159 There was there was some hunters that were getting ready 232 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:55.759 to go hunt, and there was a camper that was 233 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:58.320 loading up his stuff and he had been camping out there. 234 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:03.960 So I felt I got some nerve to get my 235 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:06.320 dogs out of the truck and try to go up 236 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:09.799 there and just look see what was up there. And 237 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:14.759 my dogs I didn't talk about their reaction, but I 238 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:17.320 don't know about the reaction when it happened, because the 239 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:21.200 one is she's real, she loves people, she's all I 240 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:23.919 gotta be like around Discovery, around me all the time. 241 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:26.200 And I don't know she was going off by fear, 242 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:27.919 but she was afraid at the time. 243 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:31.480 Big for Society would be right back after these messages. 244 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:52.360 My other dog just looked. She didn't bark, she didn't anything. 245 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:55.440 She just looked up. She looked at the direction. She 246 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:58.240 didn't go crazy like she would have if there was 247 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:01.600 a human up there and doing that thing. Anyway, this 248 00:16:01.720 --> 00:16:04.759 ties into this week later, when I brought the dogs 249 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:08.279 back up there, I tried to go up a deer 250 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:11.320 trail into there, and my dog pulled against me and 251 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:14.559 would not go in there. So I brought her down 252 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:17.639 and went around the road and up the hill to 253 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:23.120 a spot where it wasn't so steep, and there was 254 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:25.679 there was another deal for deer trail, but it was 255 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:28.519 more open now and the same thing she pulled me, 256 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:30.759 she pulled me she would not go up in there, 257 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:34.360 and I couldn't hear anything, see anything. She just wouldn't 258 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:36.639 go up in there. We went across the road and 259 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:41.440 she went straight into the woods. So that's another part 260 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:45.200 of it. So she just didn't want to go in there. 261 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:48.600 It's really strange because I go in the woods everywhere 262 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:53.399 and she loves the woods, but that section is not 263 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:54.240 where she wants to go. 264 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:57.440 Did you get a chance to talk to the camper 265 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:00.559 that was up there, yeah, asked him. 266 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:02.879 He said he didn't hear anything. He was he was 267 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:08.200 down the hill from there against the almost the creek, 268 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:11.359 and the creek right now it's full and it's a 269 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:16.480 bunch of step waterfalls, so it is really loud down there. 270 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:20.559 But he said the same thing he said. He said, 271 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.440 he said, if if there was and he he didn't 272 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:26.759 hear anything, but he said, if it was a king 273 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:28.759 pointed to where I was talking about. He said, we 274 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:31.279 would come from over there. That's all he said. 275 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:37.640 Oh wow, I wonder what he meant. That is very interesting. 276 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:41.200 No, he just said he said, if it's if there's something, 277 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:43.720 you know, it's gonna be coming from over there. And 278 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:48.359 that could make sense in a way that on. On 279 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:51.200 one side of the road is you know, there's a 280 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:54.920 creek and that's where the people go. You know, there's 281 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:58.319 you know, there's just you know, people that just drive 282 00:17:58.400 --> 00:17:59.400 out there and just want to get out in the 283 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:02.160 wood a little bit. There's trails and stuff. The other 284 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:04.200 side of the road would be where the people aren't. 285 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:10.519 So, yeah, that makes sense. Do you mind if I 286 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:15.759 ask us some questions about sure? No, Okay, did you 287 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:17.880 notice a smell when you were up there during the 288 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:20.240 actual situation that happened? 289 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:23.279 Okay, No, But like I said, I don't Yeah, I 290 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:25.720 didn't mention it in the story, but they were probably 291 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:28.880 fifty feet away from me. I'm just it felt like 292 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:31.039 I could tell exactly where they were at when they 293 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:36.839 were wooping or hooping or grunting or whatever. But I 294 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:40.559 would guess fifty fifty yards ahead of me, above me. 295 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:45.960 Maybe there's rock formations up there, But no, I didn't 296 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:46.759 smell anything. 297 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:49.480 Maybe natural caves up there, stuff like that. 298 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:53.240 Well, I mean there are in that area. Yeah, I 299 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:55.759 still haven't been where they were with. 300 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:00.599 Yeah, right, I can understand how you might not want 301 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.599 to when when you were up there were there other 302 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.119 sounds that you heard that didn't really make sense either. 303 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:09.599 No, this is this is the place I've been and 304 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:13.720 nothing was out of place. Ever when I was there 305 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:19.799 it was nice. Other times far as quiet, and it's beautiful, 306 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:23.359 you know with the all the step waterfolos. And you 307 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:26.880 know that's part of it too, is when that when 308 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:29.720 the water was up like that, it's pretty loud coming 309 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:34.720 off from that one side. The water is all the 310 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:38.319 all the steps that it's coming down, the rushing water 311 00:19:39.559 --> 00:19:43.160 so on that on that one side. And you know, 312 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:46.480 the times I've been there, I would have been near 313 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:51.119 that and I would have you know, so I didn't 314 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:53.160 really hear anything when I was in there. 315 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:59.599 Gotcha. When you were hearing the sounds at the different times, 316 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:02.799 how did those sounds affect you. 317 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.559 Fear. I'm not going to talk about myself too much, 318 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:11.160 but I was. I used to be in the military, 319 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:14.640 and I did serve in Iraq, and I did almost die, 320 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:19.359 and I felt the fear of that long that and 321 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:24.799 this was this close to that or worse. I don't 322 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:28.200 know why. Some of it was maybe not being able 323 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:30.519 to have my keys. The other part of it was 324 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:35.680 it was enough vocalizations that I had time to think 325 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:42.079 about it. And listen to it and realized that this 326 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:45.759 isn't some kids throwing rocks at me from the woods, 327 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:51.319 so that I just remember, I remember the fear watching 328 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:55.880 over me when they first started, and I listened to 329 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:57.240 it for a split second. 330 00:20:57.799 --> 00:21:00.599 Thank you for sharing about your service, and also thank 331 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:03.319 you for your service. Were is there any time when 332 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:08.519 when you heard those noises those sounds did they affect 333 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:10.720 any physical part of your body at all? 334 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:14.079 No? No, I didn't have anything like that. I was, 335 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:18.880 I was, yeah, I think everything was on just it 336 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:22.559 was just I was just wondering what this was, and 337 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:24.880 I didn't know if I was in danger or not, 338 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:30.279 and so I was. I never did make an aggressive 339 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:34.240 move towards me other than the rocks, but I didn't 340 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:36.920 want to see or find out. I got out there 341 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:41.200 pretty down the hill pretty fast because I just didn't 342 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:42.680 know what I was doing with. 343 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:47.160 It's really interesting in situations like this, you always I 344 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:51.039 always wonder if if you had been up there, and 345 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:54.960 if you hadn't done the things with the rocks initially, 346 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:58.599 if the same response would have happened. And I'm sure 347 00:21:58.680 --> 00:22:01.319 you probably think same thing, or I. 348 00:22:01.519 --> 00:22:04.039 Thought I thought of everything. That's why I tell up 349 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:06.480 at the story. That's why it's over. But I did 350 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:11.039 do this. I did try to do something, and it's 351 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:15.000 part of the story that but I don't know if 352 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:19.920 it caused it to happen or not. But it's strange 353 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:22.799 that I've never done anything like that before. The one 354 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:29.720 time I do it, something happens. I don't I feel 355 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:33.559 like it is. I feel like it caused a reaction 356 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:38.200 of some time, but I don't know. 357 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:44.160 You mentioned it really quickly that there was some weird 358 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:47.720 stuff that you've you've found up there, and so you 359 00:22:47.880 --> 00:22:51.240 mentioned you found a plate with dog vertebrate on the 360 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:53.160 plate in a circle. Is that correct? 361 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:58.119 Right, yeah, right, there's That's the strange thing, and almost 362 00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:01.240 I don't know what it is. There was a dog 363 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:04.160 that day, the day that it happened, there was a 364 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:07.279 dog that it looked like somebody had dupped or something. 365 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:10.960 It was just a skeleton. There was no flesh, but 366 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:14.319 it was a large dog, or at least the best 367 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:17.480 I could tell. And you know, it was a large dog, 368 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:22.279 full skeleton, like somebody had just stomped there or something. 369 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:29.640 Because anyway, this like a time I went back, there 370 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:32.279 was plates sitting on a rock. I thought it was 371 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:35.240 a stop, but as a rock with the vertebrae arranged 372 00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:35.880 in a circle. 373 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:41.839 So that was the second time that you went yeah. 374 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.640 Yeah, when when i the vertebrae had been moved from 375 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:49.720 across the road to onto a plate in the on 376 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:51.960 the edge of the woods, on the right side of 377 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:53.759 the room, the other side of the room. 378 00:23:54.759 --> 00:23:57.400 Okay, that's really interesting. So the first time, and so. 379 00:23:57.400 --> 00:24:01.359 Somebody had moved it. Somebody had moved somebody had gathered 380 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:05.519 up them vertebrae and put them on a plate across 381 00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:07.440 the road at the edge of the woods, on a 382 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:09.400 sitting on a rock. 383 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:14.720 The initial time, the first time you went up there, 384 00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:22.039 where was the skeleton in relation to where the noises 385 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:23.559 were coming out from the woods. 386 00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:28.119 It was not too far. It was I don't remember exactly. 387 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:30.079 I know it was ahead of my truck because we 388 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:34.839 found it when we were looking for the keys, so 389 00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:37.920 we were off the road a little bit. I'm thinking, 390 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:41.599 you know that maybe they had slung on my pocket 391 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:43.799 and rolled down the hill a little bit or something, 392 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:47.680 and that's where we found this dog. It was it 393 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:51.400 was on the side of the like someone had thrown it, 394 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:54.039 just like pulled over and just thrown the dog out 395 00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:58.119 or else. It died there naturally, but it didn't look naturally. 396 00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:01.559 There was other trash around and it just looked like domps. 397 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:08.359 It was a full skeleton. But then too just you know, 398 00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:11.839 just a couple or lately someone had moved it and 399 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:17.480 put put on a plate in a circle and across 400 00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:20.880 the road. They hadn't moved the dog, they just took 401 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:23.920