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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray w BZY, Boston's Me Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome back and talking to Nicole Davis. She's

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<v Speaker 2>helping me with my Apple update. You know, it's great

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<v Speaker 2>when you have people on your team like Nicole, because

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<v Speaker 2>whenever I have a question about anything that's technical on computers,

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole is always there for me. And she told me

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<v Speaker 2>how to do that in about thirty seconds. Nicole, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you immensely. Just thank you immensely, and I mean that honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. I've been a great friend and

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<v Speaker 2>a great colleague. Okay, it's the nine o'clock hour, and

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<v Speaker 2>in the news you just heard that there will be

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<v Speaker 2>no school tomorrow for the ninth day of this school

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<v Speaker 2>year in Gloucester. There will be no school tomorrow in

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<v Speaker 2>the Beverly School system for the ninth day, and no

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<v Speaker 2>school tomorrow in Marblehead for the eighth day. So doing

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<v Speaker 2>just a little bit of math on that, that basically

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<v Speaker 2>is in about twenty six school days in those three systems,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, eight, nine to nine and eight. We have

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<v Speaker 2>talked before about the problems with teacher strikes, and if

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<v Speaker 2>you've read today's editorial in the Boston Globe. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>often that the Globe and I editorially are in sync,

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<v Speaker 2>but we certainly are today. And the Globe essentially is

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<v Speaker 2>saying that teacher strikes in Massachusetts our first illegal. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>what is it about illegal that someone doesn't understand? Now,

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<v Speaker 2>we've kind of gone through this in recent times with

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<v Speaker 2>the use of the word illegal in other ways, and

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<v Speaker 2>people have told us that, well, just because something says

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<v Speaker 2>it's illegal, it isn't necessarily illegal or whatever. You know

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<v Speaker 2>that that sort that sort of wordplay, euphemisms or whatever. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>these three unions up north of Boston, Gloucester, Beverly, in

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<v Speaker 2>marble Head, those teachers have been out of the classrooms

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<v Speaker 2>for well it'll be two weeks in, not tomorrow, but

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<v Speaker 2>the day after tomorrow. That's the substantial part of the

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<v Speaker 2>school year. Now. I know that you've seen the the

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<v Speaker 2>teachers displays of their protests, and they're they're not in

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<v Speaker 2>it for themselves. They're in it for the students, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're in it for the for the parallel the para professionals.

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<v Speaker 2>And I get all of that, but I had suggested

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<v Speaker 2>last week and an idea, and the Globe, to their credit,

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<v Speaker 2>the editorial page of Globe today was suggesting an idea

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<v Speaker 2>as well, and the idea that the Globe has been

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<v Speaker 2>suggesting that the fines that judges have been imposing have

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<v Speaker 2>been inadequate. Frankly, because if the purpose of the fine

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<v Speaker 2>is to force the teachers' union to get back into

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<v Speaker 2>the classroom, by definition not working, so they need to

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<v Speaker 2>and I guess the opinion of the Globe and also

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<v Speaker 2>the opinion of yours, truly they need to look at

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<v Speaker 2>those fines and make them a tougher. If again, if

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of a fine is to say, look, you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing something illegally and we want you to stop. If

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<v Speaker 2>you find them four dollars a day, whatever, it's inadequate,

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<v Speaker 2>it just is absolutely inadequate. And as a consequence, the

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<v Speaker 2>strike has gone on now a long time. Looking at

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<v Speaker 2>it from the student's perspective, these are school days that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they'll have to make up in April or February,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I think it's Beverly that's saying they can

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<v Speaker 2>make this these days up in April or February. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>nine days, that's two weeks. So if you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>really make it up in April and February, there goes

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<v Speaker 2>the April vacation, there goes the February vacation. Gloucester, they're

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<v Speaker 2>saying that they'll keep kids in school until June thirtieth.

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<v Speaker 2>I think all of us know that once you get

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<v Speaker 2>past June first, and summer has really arrived in New England,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to get a lot of great school

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<v Speaker 2>work done in the month of June. Here's my proposal,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a fairly simple proposal, and that is that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I didn't probably explain it as well as I

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<v Speaker 2>should have last week, so I want to hear from you. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Since strikes by public employees are illegal in Massachusetts, and

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<v Speaker 2>that includes police officers and firefighters, one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that should be done, particularly for school features. Their school

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<v Speaker 2>year generally is September to June, starts right after Labor Day,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes before Labor Day. And here's what I would argue

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be done. Most school systems operate on three

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<v Speaker 2>year contracts, so let's take a three year contract. So

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<v Speaker 2>let us assume at the end of this school year

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<v Speaker 2>in June of twenty twenty five, the time own the

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<v Speaker 2>city and the union has now about fourteen months left

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<v Speaker 2>or fifteen months. Well, actually it'll be twelve months left

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<v Speaker 2>because it probably would end on June thirty the following year.

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<v Speaker 2>So the parties, the union and the school department would

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<v Speaker 2>be required to have some meetings and some discussions, some

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<v Speaker 2>number of meetings and some discussions whatever one might think

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<v Speaker 2>would be reasonable, ten twelve to fifteen meetings spaced over

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<v Speaker 2>the summer of the year, of the summer before the

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<v Speaker 2>contract expired. Now, if those meetings produced a result, that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll have a contract in place going forward months before

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<v Speaker 2>the current contract expires, so that's a good thing. But

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<v Speaker 2>if during that summer before the agreement was not reached

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<v Speaker 2>or it wasn't finalized, then you get to the next

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<v Speaker 2>June thirtieth, which in our hypothetical would be June of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty six, the contract expires. We're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>start a school year without a contract in place. How

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<v Speaker 2>do we do that? We have a binding arbitration or

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<v Speaker 2>some form of negotiations back and forth, which again take

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<v Speaker 2>place during the summer June or the July and August. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you the teachers' union won't like it because

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<v Speaker 2>they want their summers off, but it is an incentive

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<v Speaker 2>to get the contract done. And if by a certain date,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say August fifteenth, just like they do in negotiations

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<v Speaker 2>with professional athletes, highly paid professional athletes, the athletes representatives

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<v Speaker 2>put in a proposal whatever they you know, want up

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<v Speaker 2>three years, twenty million dollars a year, total sixty million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars whatever, And the team has put in a proposal

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<v Speaker 2>and said, nope, just we will be willing to pay

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<v Speaker 2>them two years and we'll pay fifteen million dollars a year,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's thirty million dollars. Well, they make their case,

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<v Speaker 2>however they want to make their case, and at some

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<v Speaker 2>point I date, let's say August first, oh, say August fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>the conversations, the negotiations end, and by September first, the

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<v Speaker 2>arbiter or the mediator, however you want to characterize it,

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<v Speaker 2>makes a decision and says we couldn't reach an agreement. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to impose a three year contract, which you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the legislature would have to pass some sort of legislation

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<v Speaker 2>making this you know, permissible and mandatory. And if there

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<v Speaker 2>is a strike, it would become then what would be

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<v Speaker 2>characterized as a wildcat strike and at that point, the

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<v Speaker 2>teachers would be put unnoticed and the union we put unnoticed.

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<v Speaker 2>That any strike is going to result in people losing

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<v Speaker 2>their jobs, because these strikes that are going on now

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<v Speaker 2>will force other cuts in all of these communities. So

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<v Speaker 2>there will be collateral damage here. Maybe there'll be some

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<v Speaker 2>of the younger teachers will who will lose their jobs,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe people in public works, maybe people in public service.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. But there's only so much money each

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<v Speaker 2>one of these communities can spend on a teachers contract.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would love to hear from parents who are

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<v Speaker 2>inconvenienced immensely by these school strikes, immensely because they now

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<v Speaker 2>have to come up with some way in which their

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<v Speaker 2>children will be looked after different ages. Obviously, if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a kid in the first grade, well you're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to say to the kid in the first gide,

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<v Speaker 2>mommy and daddy have to go to work, enjoy yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>don't watch too much televis. No, they're gonna they're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have to find a babysitter. They're gonna have to find

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<v Speaker 2>a relative, they're gonna have to find a neighbor, which

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<v Speaker 2>who I assume, They're gonna have to pay to to

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<v Speaker 2>take care of little Johnny or a little Debbie big

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<v Speaker 2>inconvenience there the child's learning process. How you know there's

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<v Speaker 2>an impact here. There's a real impact on all of

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<v Speaker 2>the school kids in all of these students in these schools. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe if you're I don't know, a senior, well it

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<v Speaker 2>could impact you. Maybe you're taking college boards for the

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<v Speaker 2>last time. Maybe you need letters of recommendation written for

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<v Speaker 2>your for your applications as to where where you want

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<v Speaker 2>to go to college. All of this, I think is

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<v Speaker 2>put aside during the teacher strike and these obviously a

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<v Speaker 2>coordinated strikes by three three communities in three communities all

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<v Speaker 2>north of Boston, Beverly, Gloucester and Marblehead. So that's my proposal. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>say to the union and to the school departments, the

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<v Speaker 2>school committee, you ran for this job, you applied for

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<v Speaker 2>this job. You need to do the job for the

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<v Speaker 2>benefit of the kids and the families in our community.

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<v Speaker 2>And here is the rules the legislature will put down

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<v Speaker 2>and you're going to have to comply with them, simple

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<v Speaker 2>as that. If you've read the Globe editorial and you

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<v Speaker 2>agree with that, feel free if you agree with my

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<v Speaker 2>idea feel free. Something has to be done. We have

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<v Speaker 2>a Massachusetts teachers Union, and we have invited them to

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<v Speaker 2>come on to the show and to defend themselves, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have always rejected our invitations. It's an open

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<v Speaker 2>door invitation to the president Teachers Union, max On Paige,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's his assistant. I forget her first name, but

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<v Speaker 2>Ms McCarthy. I only remember that name because I'm one

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<v Speaker 2>of my grandmothers is well, my mom's mother is a McCarthy.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're McCarthy out there, maybe we're related. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>get to this, okay. If you're a teacher and you

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<v Speaker 2>think that I'm being horribly abusive to teachers, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not at all. And I would suggest that all

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<v Speaker 2>of you go to the Massachusetts Department of Education slash

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<v Speaker 2>teacher salaries. These teacher salaries, when I last check a

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<v Speaker 2>week ago, are only updated to the year school year

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one, meaning twenty twenty through twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're four years old, and all of the teachers.

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<v Speaker 2>The average salary for these three school systems again Beverly, Gloucester,

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel Head the ones that are out on strike about

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<v Speaker 2>eighty six eighty seven thousand dollars average average six one seven, two,

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<v Speaker 2>five four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. There's been a bunch of teacher strikes and

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<v Speaker 2>it's only going to get worse until the legislature and

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<v Speaker 2>the governor get some backbone and take them on and

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<v Speaker 2>say this shall not stand. Back on Nightside right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>The Globe editorial says tougher action is needed on teacher strikes.

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<v Speaker 2>Illegal teacher strikes continue this week in three North Throe communities, Marblehead,

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<v Speaker 2>Beverly and Gloucester, causing massive disruption for those communities. With

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<v Speaker 2>little apparent progress toward a conclusion. The article concludes. It says,

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<v Speaker 2>the way the process now works, finds typically aren't levied

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<v Speaker 2>until a strike has been in effect for several days.

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<v Speaker 2>Finds generally started about fifty thousand dollars increased by ten

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars or so each day that the strike continues.

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<v Speaker 2>But it finds aren't immediately onerous, and payment can be

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<v Speaker 2>delayed until the strike is over, whereupon the cash flush

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<v Speaker 2>parent union can quietly help make its locals. Whole pressure

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<v Speaker 2>to end the illegal strike obviously won't be maximized, but

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<v Speaker 2>it finds for striking starts, say one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars a day, I went up by that amount

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<v Speaker 2>or more each day the strike continued, Unions would be

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<v Speaker 2>more cautious about breaking the law by going out on strike.

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<v Speaker 2>As the MTA locals begin their second week of of

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<v Speaker 2>disrupting their communities, it's pretty soon going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>third week with illegal strikes. It's time for a tougher approach.

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<v Speaker 2>After all, if a state isn't serious about enforcing the law,

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<v Speaker 2>in the Massachusetts Teachers Association and its locals simply won't

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<v Speaker 2>get serious about abiding by it. Pretty good editorial in

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<v Speaker 2>the Globe today. Let's go to the call is going

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<v Speaker 2>to go first off too, John and Denham. John, you

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<v Speaker 2>first tonight on night Side. Whether you agree to disagree, folks,

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<v Speaker 2>you are welcome to join the conversation. Go ahead, John,

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<v Speaker 2>hey Ed.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in high school during the Blizzard of seventy eight,

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<v Speaker 3>and we had like three weeks off around a vacation week,

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<v Speaker 3>and I believe we just added twelve minutes to each class,

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<v Speaker 3>so we were basically making up a day every week

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<v Speaker 3>and so cause to take away vacation from especially like

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<v Speaker 3>you're a senior. You may be going on a senior

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<v Speaker 3>class trip or something. It's just it's ridiculous. And and

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<v Speaker 3>I think if you're both parties, I know this will

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<v Speaker 3>sound harsh. I think maybe for every day they strike,

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<v Speaker 3>both parties have to start one week of jail time

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<v Speaker 3>in the summer. You take away somebody's time. You watch

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<v Speaker 3>how quickly this stuff gets resolved.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you say both both parties, you're saying both

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<v Speaker 2>the school committee and the union the heads of the

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<v Speaker 4>Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, because that way, that way neither party can hold

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<v Speaker 3>the other hostage. You know, if you say just the

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<v Speaker 2>Have to go interesting suggestion. What do you think about

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<v Speaker 2>my idea, which is basically, you got to start negotiating,

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<v Speaker 2>in effect, the summer before the contract expires. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>expect you to come to an agreement. But once the

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<v Speaker 2>contract expires in June, that next summer, the next two

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<v Speaker 2>blow your entire summer, but you got to sit and

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<v Speaker 2>negotiate and at the end of it, if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>come to an agreement, the arbiter or the mediator will

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<v Speaker 2>issue a decision, just like they do in professional sports.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when you know, when some you know, hotshot

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<v Speaker 2>ten year contract for fifty million a year, whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 2>and the team says, no, we're going to give you

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<v Speaker 2>three years at twenty million a year. Eventually, somewhere somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle, a decision is made. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>the well what do you think. I like my idea

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<v Speaker 2>a little better because it's more specific.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you and I are on the same page.

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<v Speaker 3>It meaning that, hey, if you're going to take away

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<v Speaker 3>these kids, the time from these kids in their families

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<v Speaker 3>because families have totally disrupted, then we're going to take

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<v Speaker 3>away your time in the summer, which is I think,

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<v Speaker 3>what kind of to your point? And I said, if hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you got two months, you can't go vacation until you

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<v Speaker 3>get this resolved. But I mean the teachers that probably

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<v Speaker 3>can still go on vacation cause they're not in the

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<v Speaker 3>part of negotiate, right, you just have the union members

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<v Speaker 3>and any any teacher who says this is for the kids.

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<v Speaker 3>You know they're full of you know what.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well again, as they say, people should go look

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<v Speaker 2>at the Department of Education statistics from four years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on it's a Massachusetts website, and it'll tell you

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what the average teacher makes in your community, wherever

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<v Speaker 2>you live in the three hundred and fifty one cities

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<v Speaker 2>and towns of Massachusetts. Well, the idea, John, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're thinking outside the box, which is which is great.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a couple of ideas. Maybe we could blend

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<v Speaker 2>them together. Okay, begs buddy, Hey you doctor you soon?

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<v Speaker 2>All right? Good, nay, all right, let me see that.

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<v Speaker 2>I got one line at six one seven, two five

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty, and got one line and six one

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<v Speaker 2>seven nine three one ten thirty. We can talk about this.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no guest scheduled this hour. We may have

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<v Speaker 2>either some union representatives who we have invited to call in,

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<v Speaker 2>or some of the representatives of the various school committees

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<v Speaker 2>they have also been invited to call in, but no

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<v Speaker 2>guests who will be here for a long time. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to get as many calls in as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got two lines up right now that are

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<v Speaker 2>available six one seven two five, four, ten thirty and

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<v Speaker 2>six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty and if

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<v Speaker 2>we need to go into the next hour, we will.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's important. Now some of you are saying, Hey, Dan,

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<v Speaker 2>what's what's the big deal here? We're talking about Gloucester, Beverly,

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<v Speaker 2>marble Ed. I don't even live near those places. Guess

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<v Speaker 2>what if the mass Teachers Association can pull together a

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<v Speaker 2>little North shore combined strike. You don't think that we

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<v Speaker 2>could be seen a little south shore maybe a Metro

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<v Speaker 2>West combined strike, Berkshire Teachers' Union combrian strike. Don't kid

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<v Speaker 2>yourself back on nights side right after the news at

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom of the hour.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're on the night side with Dan Ray on

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get back to the phones and let's talk to

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<v Speaker 2>Dot from Midford. Dot, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you hi?

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<v Speaker 2>Dan?

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<v Speaker 5>Hey?

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<v Speaker 6>Dan?

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<v Speaker 7>You know they're not going to negotiate in the summertime

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<v Speaker 7>because they've got the vacation planned. They're going to be

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<v Speaker 7>in Europe on our dime.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe the tender will be, but the union leaders

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<v Speaker 2>will have to negotiate because if they don't negotiate, then

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<v Speaker 2>the arbiter, the mediator can say, Okay, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>proposal I have from this from the town of such

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<v Speaker 2>and such and the city such and such. The union

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<v Speaker 2>chows not to negotiate. I'm going to go ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>support the towns and that would make that then would

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<v Speaker 2>be the contract they'll have they have to live under.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I think the first thing that should happen is

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<v Speaker 7>right away, now that they're out for two weeks, they

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<v Speaker 7>get a ten thousand dollars pay cut boutomatic automatic, every.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them.

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<v Speaker 7>And then the next step would be what President Reagan

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<v Speaker 7>would do. They all lose their job, get all new teachers.

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<v Speaker 7>They lose their job period.

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<v Speaker 2>Would it's tough to do that in the middle school

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<v Speaker 7>What, they're going to have to do something the teachers

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<v Speaker 7>and the yeah, oh yeah, but I think a ten

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<v Speaker 7>thousand dollars pay cast if that wound over the squashy

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<v Speaker 7>little head that they'd give in, I think they'd have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what happens here is that because these three schools

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<v Speaker 2>go out on strike, that sends a message to the

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<v Speaker 2>other communities. The community say, if all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>now our teachers union threatens a strike, we better well,

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<v Speaker 2>pay attention. That's the nasty little secret here. And you

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<v Speaker 2>have the Mass Teachers Association, which was very successful and

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<v Speaker 2>getting rid of the the m CAST graduation requirement. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and the next thing they're going to try to do

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<v Speaker 2>is get rid of the m CAST testing in the

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<v Speaker 7>The way powerful. They're too powerful and they get you.

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<v Speaker 7>Gotta nip them in the butt with a pay cut.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, Dot, I got it in there. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>let's see if people more people might agree with you. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to do it in a nice way.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, bottom line, Dot, can't be.

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<v Speaker 7>Nice to have you taken a look at them on TV?

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<v Speaker 7>We snap and gum bigger bath losses. Are you kidding?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Come on now, none of that, None of that, None

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<v Speaker 2>of that, all right, no rabbit punches. Okay, all right, thanks,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks Dot, Let's keep rolling here. Steve is in Revere.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve you are next night? Said welcome?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, agreeing Dan there? How are you doing it for

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<v Speaker 3>my call?

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<v Speaker 2>Dude? Great? Well, thank you for calling in. What's your

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<v Speaker 2>taking all of this?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll tell you I don't agree with them going

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<v Speaker 3>on straight. I mean, it's not right, But.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more than not. It's Steve, if I could, it's

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<v Speaker 2>more than it's illegal. It's not right for you. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not right for you to park in that handicap parking

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<v Speaker 2>space when you were running into dunkin Donuts. Not right

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<v Speaker 2>to do that, but it's also illegal.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, exactly, I totally agree, but I have to

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<v Speaker 3>tell you I'm powerfully there. My sister is a para

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<v Speaker 3>and re rere school system and again, they're actually under

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<v Speaker 3>contract negotiation. Also. I don't know if you know that

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<v Speaker 3>or not, but they've made their statements by doing other

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<v Speaker 3>things on their off time. She tells me some stories

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<v Speaker 3>about what she goes to with kids. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think she's nearly paid enough for what they do

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<v Speaker 3>with kids, biting and kicking them. But if father's teachers

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<v Speaker 3>going on strike, you know that should be done on

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<v Speaker 3>a time that doesn't take away from the learning of

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<v Speaker 3>their children going to school. Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, did you say this was your wife was a paralegal?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, my sister was a paralegal.

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<v Speaker 2>Your sister Okay, okay, I'm sorry. We want to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure so now paralegals mates make substantially less than teachers absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>which is something that the Teachers' Union over time has

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<v Speaker 2>negotiated with various cities and towns. How long has has

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<v Speaker 2>your sister been doing this type work.

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<v Speaker 3>It's en seven years, seven years.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a career path for her. This is

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<v Speaker 2>not she's trying for com.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she has. She has graduated from Stuffolk University years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>She's I mean she's almost fifty three years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, did she take this up after did she do

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<v Speaker 2>something else or was she.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll make a long story shot. She used to worked

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<v Speaker 3>years ago for the FBI as a different things I

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<v Speaker 3>can't get. I don't want to talk about secret, secret.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff, secret stuff, No problem, go ahead, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>But she shows his career path when her daughter was

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<v Speaker 3>born and my niece is now in college and she

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<v Speaker 3>went back to work, and she said, it's just frustrating

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<v Speaker 3>to see what they go through. His palties because I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>they're nearly not pay enough and they have to they

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<v Speaker 3>have to come on a lot of classes for when

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<v Speaker 3>teachers are own. It's yeah, if.

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<v Speaker 2>They should be, they should be paid more. I think that,

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<v Speaker 2>if anything, the teachers should negotiate it. Take take one

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<v Speaker 2>break from from once, if the teachers said to a town. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>we're okay, we'll work for the next three years without

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<v Speaker 2>without a pay increase, but we want a substantial increase

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<v Speaker 2>for the paralegals. I would be with the union one

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<v Speaker 2>thousand percent at that point. Steve. Again, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>after you know, anybody here personally, and certainly not going

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<v Speaker 2>after your sister. But I think something has to be

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<v Speaker 2>done structurally here. And and maybe what we just talked

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<v Speaker 2>about having the teachers back off in one cycle, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, take it two or three percent raise and

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<v Speaker 2>give the rest of it because you know and helped they.

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<v Speaker 2>They always talk about the powers and how the parers

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<v Speaker 2>are underpaid. Notice they don't say the teachers are underpaid.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so they used the parers to negotiate raises for

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<v Speaker 2>the teachers. That's not fair either.

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<v Speaker 3>I know it's not all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay appreciate you call so much, thank.

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<v Speaker 3>You, thank you. Not to jump off the second, but

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait. You have the Kay guys back on.

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<v Speaker 2>So we love the car guy Scott and Larry's. Matter

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<v Speaker 2>of fact, I talked with Larry well buy or buy

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<v Speaker 2>a text message a couple of days ago, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have them on early in December. I guarantee you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, thank you so much and I appreciate you. Thank

422
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<v Speaker 3>you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go to Pete in South Carolina. Pete, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for that suggestion. We did. I had a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>fun with Charles Rowe. It was a wonderful, It was great.

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<v Speaker 5>But I am calling dot took some of my thunder

427
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<v Speaker 5>and Ronald Reagan fired all the air traffic controllers because

428
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<v Speaker 5>right now, I am sure there are plenty of men

429
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<v Speaker 5>and women college educated don't have.

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<v Speaker 4>A job, would love to have.

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<v Speaker 5>A job, even if it's teaching. They're certified or they

432
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<v Speaker 5>have a degree and you know some sort of institution

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<v Speaker 5>of higher learning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well the only work. Yeah, no, I get it.

435
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<v Speaker 2>But the problem is if you were if somehow someway

436
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<v Speaker 2>they fired an entire union, it's going to end up

437
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<v Speaker 2>in court. I think that would be penny wise and

438
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<v Speaker 2>pound foolish in my opinion. That you know, maybe what

439
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<v Speaker 2>they could say is, Okay, we'll give you the rays

440
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<v Speaker 2>you want, but we're going to have to cut you know,

441
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<v Speaker 2>ten percent of the teaching staff. And it might be

442
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<v Speaker 2>that that might wake them up or something to basically

443
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<v Speaker 2>to say to a union group of you know, however,

444
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<v Speaker 2>many teachers, it might be two hundred teachers in a community,

445
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<v Speaker 2>you're all gone, and then to recruit and get twenty

446
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<v Speaker 2>two hundred people to replace them in the middle of

447
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<v Speaker 2>a school year. I think that's that's a big mountain

448
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<v Speaker 2>to climb.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's either a big mountain to climb where you're

450
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<v Speaker 5>gonna have to climb the same mountain because your kids

451
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<v Speaker 5>are n't educated.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I understand the frustration. I really do.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and I'm in South Carolina. This is you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I usually don't call in when it's a local Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 5>type thing, but I just had a thought that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, let me ask you. I'm assuming that

457
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<v Speaker 2>you have, you know, teachers in schools down in South

458
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<v Speaker 2>Carolina obviously, who are very qualified, very competent. The teacher strikes,

459
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<v Speaker 2>our teachers are unionized in South Carolina. Might South Carolina

460
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<v Speaker 2>might be a right to work state.

461
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<v Speaker 5>It is right to work. Stay okay, because my my

462
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<v Speaker 5>three grandchildren once my grandson just graduated high school and

463
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<v Speaker 5>my and the other two were in middle school and

464
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<v Speaker 5>high school. So you know, we stay on top of it.

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<v Speaker 5>My daughter obviously does because it's her kids. But like

466
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<v Speaker 5>I said, you know, pulling this off in the middle

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<v Speaker 5>of the school year.

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<v Speaker 2>It came, by the way, in three in three communities

469
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<v Speaker 2>that are like peas in a pod. They're all you

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<v Speaker 2>know Massachusetts, I know a little bit. Yeah, I've lost

471
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<v Speaker 2>Beverly and Marblehead.

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<v Speaker 1>They're right up there in the north Shore right.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh. And to do this to the children, that's not fair.

474
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<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry. Well, like the one lady said before me,

475
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<v Speaker 5>take away some of their money. There's got to be something.

476
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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, but I just frosted toasts a little

477
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<v Speaker 5>bit when I heard the topic. I gotta call them.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm glad you did, and I'm certainly glad

479
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<v Speaker 2>to suggest you made. And for those of you who

480
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<v Speaker 2>do not know, Pete is a big train I guess

481
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:17.079
<v Speaker 2>fan you know, Lionel and railroad railroading and he he

482
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<v Speaker 2>suggested one of our guests last night at eight o'clock,

483
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<v Speaker 2>Charles Row of the company named Charles Row. Uh, and

484
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<v Speaker 2>we if you haven't heard it, you want to listen

485
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<v Speaker 2>to the to last night's eight o'clock hour gives you

486
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:34.240
<v Speaker 2>some great ideas. If you have a kid for presence

487
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<v Speaker 2>this holiday season, you know, you a little a little

488
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<v Speaker 2>bit of a throwback. But boy, I'll tell you. You

489
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<v Speaker 2>look at their website and you see the trains that

490
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<v Speaker 2>this this website has. I'm I'm thinking pretty seriously here,

491
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<v Speaker 2>Pete have given Charles a call and getting something for

492
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<v Speaker 2>my grandson, so I got to get it clean with

493
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<v Speaker 2>the parents though. If you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh of course I understand. But anyway, you have a

495
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<v Speaker 5>great Thanksgiving. I probably we'll get you sometime afterwards.

496
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<v Speaker 2>But absolutely right back to you.

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<v Speaker 5>Take care, my friend, Thank you much, thank you.

498
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, go take a quick break here, I got death, Mario,

499
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<v Speaker 2>Paul and Andrew coming up. Only room for you at

500
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<v Speaker 2>six point seven nine, one line open.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

502
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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Good full lines. Let's keep rolling here. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>try to give everybody a couple of minutes, and let's

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<v Speaker 2>keep rolling. Andrew and Lemonster Andrew next on Nightside, go right,

506
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<v Speaker 2>hit sir.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, how you doing.

508
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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great, Andrew, tell them tell.

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<v Speaker 4>Me what you did this? Well, what I think is

510
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<v Speaker 4>I am actually a husband of a teacher who just retired,

511
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<v Speaker 4>and I've seen the ups and downs in her career.

512
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<v Speaker 4>I spent thousands of dollars on education on that she

513
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<v Speaker 4>had to get PDP points over the thirty years that

514
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<v Speaker 4>she was there. And what I say is, why aren't

515
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<v Speaker 4>the school committees fine for not having their contracts ready

516
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<v Speaker 4>for them or in agreement at the time that they

517
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<v Speaker 4>were supposed to be rather well.

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<v Speaker 2>They probably they probably well they I don't know if

519
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<v Speaker 2>they had contracts ready for them. Obviously if they presented

520
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:23.519
<v Speaker 2>them with a contract that the union liked, but then

521
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<v Speaker 2>you know, the negotiations can be over in a day.

522
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<v Speaker 2>But that's really not the way it works. What they

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<v Speaker 2>do is they start off, You've got the base of

524
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<v Speaker 2>of of the contract that currently exists, and obviously any

525
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<v Speaker 2>union is going to come in and say, would like

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<v Speaker 2>to get a raised here, like to get this situation

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<v Speaker 2>worked part of the part of the negotiations.

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<v Speaker 4>And I agree with you there, and I agree with

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<v Speaker 4>you there, But but you have to look at the

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<v Speaker 4>whole picture of the whole cyclativity of the economy where

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<v Speaker 4>these teachers have taken zero percent for three years, and

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<v Speaker 4>now that the economy has grown, they understand that, you know,

533
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<v Speaker 4>there's a there's a lot to pay for and you know,

534
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<v Speaker 4>with with the whole economy thing going up and down whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>So if they were more proactive in these school committees

536
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<v Speaker 4>and and acknowledging that and giving them the right percentages

537
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<v Speaker 4>or something close, you wouldn't have this situation. You would

538
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<v Speaker 4>actually have people.

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<v Speaker 2>I got two questions for you, and I'm really interested.

540
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<v Speaker 2>Let's assume and I don't know the specifics of these

541
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<v Speaker 2>three contracts and Gloucester, Beverly Marblehead.

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<v Speaker 4>Do I, yes, I do.

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<v Speaker 2>You're you're telling me that that they've received no raises

544
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<v Speaker 2>in the last three years. I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, no, no no, no, no, no, no,

546
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<v Speaker 4>don't say that in the last three years. What I'm

547
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<v Speaker 4>saying is over a thirty thirty year career. Okay. I've

548
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<v Speaker 4>experienced this with my wife because she's she is a

549
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<v Speaker 4>public school teacher in the system for thirty years.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>There are times when times were hard for the state

552
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<v Speaker 4>in the in the cities and towns where they received

553
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<v Speaker 4>no zero percentage raises. Okay, And again I'm not.

554
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not disputing that. And I don't want to talk about,

555
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<v Speaker 2>you know, a situation that I don't know about, and

556
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<v Speaker 2>you don't know about whether this was in twenty thirteen

557
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<v Speaker 2>or twenty eighteen. I don't know. My point is this,

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<v Speaker 2>you got three towns. Let's let's deal with what we

559
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<v Speaker 2>can agree on. We got three counts towns, Gloucester, Beverly,

560
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<v Speaker 2>marbles Head. There's no school now for eight or nine days? Okay?

561
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<v Speaker 5>Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>What would be a fair resolution in your mind these

563
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<v Speaker 2>three schools? The average teacher?

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Question. Let me a favorite answer. I'm trying to pose

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<v Speaker 2>a question to you. Okay, So if you would give

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<v Speaker 2>me the privilege of posing the question inno entirety, I'll

568
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<v Speaker 2>let you answer me in your entirety. Okay. So you

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<v Speaker 2>have three towns. Do we know of the average salary up?

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<v Speaker 2>There is around eighty six eighty seven thousand dollars in

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<v Speaker 2>all three towns. That's according to the Department of Education.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think would be a fair percentage increase

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<v Speaker 2>in your opinion? You're the husband of a former teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think would satisfy the union for the

575
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<v Speaker 2>next three years? Give me the numbers that you think

576
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<v Speaker 2>would be reasonable.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the thing is is, I can't. I can't give

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<v Speaker 4>you those numbers because I am not in their history

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<v Speaker 4>of their contracts. The issue is is when you get

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<v Speaker 4>into these history of contracts, right, they have maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 4>they have taken zero maybe five ten years ago, okay,

582
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<v Speaker 4>and now that now that the income ratio is much

583
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<v Speaker 4>much higher, maybe the police in the fire department or

584
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<v Speaker 4>the public works, the contracts are much much higher. The whole,

585
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<v Speaker 4>the whole deal with this is, you know, you're talking

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<v Speaker 4>about three different towns here. Why isn't the school committee

587
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<v Speaker 4>fined but not doing their contract on time?

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<v Speaker 2>These people because there's no obligation, there's there's nothing illegal

589
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:19.599
<v Speaker 2>about negotiations going beyond beyond a certain date. However, however, now, however,

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<v Speaker 2>however you asked again, You've now asked me a question,

591
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<v Speaker 2>and you don't want to hear my answer. The reason

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<v Speaker 2>that the teachers union are being fined, Andrew, is that

593
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<v Speaker 2>in Massachusetts strikes by public employees teachers included, that's illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they're being fined for.

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<v Speaker 4>That.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no basis to find the school committee of these communities.

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<v Speaker 4>So why isn't there though, Why isn't there that's the

598
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<v Speaker 4>legislature talking about three different communities up there, right, and

599
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<v Speaker 4>you're saying, well, why why why are these kids not

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<v Speaker 4>going to school, and I said, well, why let's be

601
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<v Speaker 4>a little bit more proactive. Why aren't Why isn't the

602
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<v Speaker 4>school committee obligated to make those contracts come in in

603
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<v Speaker 4>fair on time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, that's a subjective determination, Andrew, and

605
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<v Speaker 2>that's you might think that fair and on time would

606
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<v Speaker 2>be eight percent, eight percent and eight percent. And maybe

607
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<v Speaker 2>they say, we don't have that money in this town,

608
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<v Speaker 2>and we cannot go back to people in this town

609
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<v Speaker 2>and raise their real estate taxes to fund that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what their problem is, Andrew. I appreciate your point

611
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<v Speaker 2>of view on it. I just was hoping that you

612
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<v Speaker 2>could give me some idea. What you think they deserve

613
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<v Speaker 2>they're making eighty five or eighty six thousand dollars?

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<v Speaker 4>No no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>No no no no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 4>No no. What you have to look at too, is oh, you've.

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<v Speaker 2>Already told me that, Andrew.

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<v Speaker 5>I've heard it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need to hear it twice. I got to

620
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<v Speaker 2>look back at the entire history. So why don't we

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<v Speaker 2>do this, Andrew? Why don't I change the subject and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll spend tomorrow looking back at the entire history the

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<v Speaker 2>Gloucester Beverly and Marvelhead School contracts over the last say,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five years, and then we'll open up the phone

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<v Speaker 2>lines again tomorrow night. That's not the way my world works,

626
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<v Speaker 2>andrews as much as.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, no, no problem, dd, I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right back at you, all right, much appreciate It'll we

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<v Speaker 2>go next to Beth in bever in Berkeley. Beth in Berkeley.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you, Beth?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm fine. How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm doing Okay, go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, I'm a former teacher. I taught in the Farvar

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<v Speaker 6>public schools for thirty five years. I retired in two

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<v Speaker 6>thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 2>And what you told me and I missed here. I

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<v Speaker 2>did not hear. What public school system did you teach in?

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<v Speaker 5>Fall River?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Fall River? Sure? Okay, absolutely, okay, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>your service. Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>And I retired in two thousand and eight. And so

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<v Speaker 6>I was listening to your discussion. I know Fall River

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<v Speaker 6>isn't on the same level as the north Shore schools

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<v Speaker 6>that you're talking about, But at the same time, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like you know, like you know the voice

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<v Speaker 6>of reason, But I don't understand how you can have

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<v Speaker 6>such strong opinions about something that you've never done before,

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<v Speaker 6>like taught in public school settings. It's not.

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<v Speaker 5>Easy.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a difficult job.

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<v Speaker 2>I happen to understand that very much. And I and

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. I have never I have never

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<v Speaker 2>played Major League Baseball, but I criticized the Red Sox

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<v Speaker 2>every year when they lose. And I've never been a

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<v Speaker 2>United States senator, but when I listen to someone of

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<v Speaker 2>our senators say something that I agree or disagree with,

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<v Speaker 2>that's my job is to kind of comment here. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>but did you did your union ever go on strike?

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<v Speaker 2>Or no?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we did, we did. I started teaching in nineteen

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<v Speaker 6>seventy three, and I believe we went on strike soon

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<v Speaker 6>after that, and you know, we had to pay fines,

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<v Speaker 6>the far of the Teachers Association had to pay fines,

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<v Speaker 6>and we ended up going back to work, and we

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<v Speaker 6>ended up teaching longer days and teaching into like the

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<v Speaker 6>end of June to make up the days that you

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<v Speaker 6>were on strike. But you know, it's just like if

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<v Speaker 6>you've never taught before, you know, the bell rings you teach,

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<v Speaker 6>you're on, you know, like you're on, kids are looking

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<v Speaker 6>at you, and you're teaching like straight for forty five

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<v Speaker 6>minutes and then the bell rings. You can't go to

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<v Speaker 6>the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to.

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<v Speaker 6>It's it's not easy and in floridv we I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>I retired in two thousand and eight, and I think

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<v Speaker 6>I retired at fifty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Which the average salary in Fall River in the school

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<v Speaker 2>year twenty twenty to twenty twenty one. Want to take

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<v Speaker 2>a guest as to what it was in that community

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<v Speaker 2>a few years.

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<v Speaker 5>I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Seventy four seventy four thy one hundred and seventeen.

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<v Speaker 6>Dollars that average average teacher salary. That's with the masters.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an average salary. So if you have one hundred teachers,

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<v Speaker 2>you combine every everybody, you combine top of the scale,

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the scale, and average. Okay, yeah, so I appreciate. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm up. I'm up till ten o'clock. I'll hold you

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<v Speaker 2>into the next hour. If you have more comments you'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to make, would you like to hold through the news?

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<v Speaker 6>No, I'm all set.

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<v Speaker 2>You are, okay, Well, thank you very much for and

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for listening, and thank you for calling. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>take a break. I'm going to stick with this into

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<v Speaker 2>the next hour. For a little while, we have some

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<v Speaker 2>lines open at six, one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel free to fill them up.