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Speaker 1: This is Pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning. You are here live with doctor

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Jeff and my favorite guest host, Michaelhern. Mike, how are

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you doing?

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Speaker 1: You're doing good, captain.

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Speaker 3: So first of all, happy Father's Day and happy Father's

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Day and Grandpa's Day and everything.

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Speaker 2: And her pet Dad's too. So I'm waving hello to everybody.

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The first to join is my sister, Hello there and JB.

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How you doing so? H here for you, here for

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your pets. You know the drill. Notice a different studio here,

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because I'm here live with Mike at Mike's studio, which

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is way more sophisticated than mine, and with all the

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stuff that he does online and anyway, you know, I

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have to tell you if you don't know Michael Hearn,

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he is former you name it, mister universe, mister I'll

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follow everything right. And when I first met him, he's scary.

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I walked in and he is doing sets with three

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in a quarter. Now, mind you, when I was lifting,

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and that was a long time ago, my max one

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was three and a quarter. He's doing it like it's nothing.

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So anyway, I often said, and this is what impressed

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me so much on Mike is that as big as

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his muscles are, his heart is even bigger. And when

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I see how he is so crazy about dogs, and

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that's what bonded us, and we've been friends ever since.

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I try to do as much stuff as I can

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with him. He tries to help me with my social

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media because I suck at social media. So we figured

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it'd be really fun. This, by the way, is the

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anniversary of my five hundredth show on pet Life Radio,

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and so we want to do something special. And Mark Winter,

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amazing producer, said, He said, Jeff, well, you know, let's

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get something special, something going on, And I said, okay,

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I got it. Mike or hearn because he is not

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only has he got three point six million followers, but

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he is such a all lover. So it's a big

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heart and who better to share this momentous occasion with Mike.

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So anyway, my other sister's there, Hey, b So I'm

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just trying to wave to everybody. Steve my brother in

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law who happened to be my high school classmate also

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so anyway, so tell me what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Everything good, Everything's good. We just got back and I'm

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glad I got to be here. For this event, and

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again thank you for the kind words. But you truly

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I think everybody that's here today can understand. And you know,

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I am a dog person, but I think society in general,

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one of the biggest things that they have to find

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is a good vet. And one thing I got lucky

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with was meeting you early, early on. And you are

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truly amazing, not just as a vet but as a human.

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And I truly see why you fell in love with

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your craft. I would say, you've got a gift for this.

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Speaker 2: Well, I love it and it does. Another quick story

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about my some mic is and and his wife were

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filming something. They were in Detroit and I called him

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last week to uh to tell him that it was

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in my five hundred show. I'd love to have him

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come on as my guest host. And I said when

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he coming back, he said, we're do back on Sunday night.

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I said, oh, what a bummer. You know, I was

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hoping to have you coming in. And I hear his

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wife and back on going, We'll be there, We'll be there.

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This is the kind of guy is He changed his

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plans just to come and help me with this, you know,

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great show. And I am thrilled. So let me get

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your questions. I want some things we can talk about.

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First of all, you know some quickies may as well

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talk about Father's Day. You know, everyone's getting together. Hopefully

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you'll spend time with the family. Probably hopefully have a barbecue.

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There's gonna be guests coming over, family coming over. Be

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careful with your dogs because we know how dangerous some

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of the things that we eat easily, and it's not

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good for our pets. Okay, for example, if you're gonna

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chop up some onions to put on those hamburgers, raw

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onions not good for dogs. It could be could be toxic.

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Speaker 1: But one of the.

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Speaker 2: Biggies is, and this is something that I hear all

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the time, and I see it. I've seen it with

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my own dogs, and that is corn on the cob.

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Harmless corn is great for dogs, but not the cop

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because it happens is they don't know, they don't really

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separate the corn kernels from the cob. They get that

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thing and have an opportunity to get that thing out

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of the garbage, and they will literally not only try,

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they will swallow. If it was even cut it into

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like thirds or halves, they'll follow that cob hold gets

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into the stomach, no problem. But after that disaster, it

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might make it through the stomach into the intestine, which

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you think is good. No, that's bad because once it

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gets to certain parts of the intestine, that cob is

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so big, it literally comes to a dead stop and

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it causes many problems. Of course vomiting, course, of course blockage.

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But the only way to get it out is surgery.

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But a bummer. You're gonna start the day with family

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and friends and have a good time Father's Day and

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then guess what, you got an emergency with your pet

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to be really really careful. And also if any crust's

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coming up on pet life, now's the time. So all right,

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so since no question talk about that. First of all,

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something happened to be funny this week. Yeah, I always say,

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if you have a veterinarian, i've never been bid? Okay,

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what do I sicken thoughts about that veterinarian, because you know,

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maybe I'm in the face, I'm getting kisses, I'm getting

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the hugs. I mean, of course you got you can't help.

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But if you're not ever been bitten by a dog

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and you're a veterinarian, you've been like practicing like five

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feet away from the pet. That's not good. That's not

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what we want. We want to see a veterinarian who's

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engaging with the pets. Anyway, I've been bitten several I

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can't count anybody, but always minor stuff. I fortunately have

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pretty good reflexes, so a major bite turned out to

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a minor But last week, this is crazy.

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Speaker 3: Is that because the dog and I know we say

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this a lot. No, no, my dog doesn't bite. And

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then there's the one time it bites. And so they're

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already stressed out going into the course clinic. Uh huh,

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there's something wrong with them, or they wouldn't be there

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most likely unless you're a parent like me and I

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get stressed out about anything. But so you got all

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this aspect and then you have the veterinarian almost down

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into the face, and so what can they do besides

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just having a great vet to try to destress If

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that's an okay question to ask here, well.

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Speaker 2: Yea actually great question. So first, as we know many

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of our dogs that seem to be great and happy

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and social when it comes to a veterini setting, first

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of all, there's a lot of other dogs and oh,

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that's a great question, Beth, my sister bethany dogs on trampoline.

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We'll get to that in a minute. So with stress, yes,

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even the sweetest dog can become not just a sweet dog.

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the dogs, but that parents also know their dogs. In fact,

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they know their dogs better than we do. So if

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they know from prior experience that the dog is tough,

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either give the veterinarian a warning. I have dogs that

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I would be going the warning. They weren't bad enough

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to eat a muzzle, but you know, you just hand

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them a little bit differently. So that's okay. First, my

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both of my thumb. How terrible is that I'm a

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lefty and my left thumb. But anyway, that's just Murphy's law.

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all right, and Potato and my friend Brooke owns him,

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and I know for history the start that this dog

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is tough. So a basic exam, no problem. Start poking

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and prodding bag problem. So anyway, I am sitting there

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with him, and I know we're trying to take an

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X ray and there's no way we're no way. We

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can't turn this kind of side possible. All right, let's

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get a buzzle. Putting the buzzle on, my text couldn't

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put the musseline, I said, okay, he knows me better,

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I'll put the mussele. Wow, he doesn't like he knows me.

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He just doesn't like me that much. So sure enough,

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putting mussel on. He turned around his fast lightning and

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got my thumb right there. You can see it right

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to know. That's all certain different colors, blue, purple, green, whatever.

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I think I'll save the nail. But I thought maybe

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I'd lose the nail. But I'm gonna be okay. So

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then later on the afternoon, I went to my son's

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house to say hi and to see my grandkids. And

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as him walking to his house, I see this couple

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walking a really cute of course, Frenchie and I, you know,

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on the French knock, I see somebody frenchist. I said, okay,

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I'm gonna go say hello. The guy right away warns

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me because no, no, no, he is not friendly. Okay, so

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I don't go to him. I figured, well, you know,

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usually you call the dog to you if they come

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to you and they don't then they're you know, they're

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on and off. So anyway, I just kneel down, put

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my hand out to go like this and he comes

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right over to me. Just me a little nudget babe,

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right on my same thumb. It was totally worn. It

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was a strange dog. Didn't know it was. I thought

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I could win him over. No, not this one anyway.

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So anyway, very very funny. So, uh, hello Terry. Oh yea,

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let's get some questions here. There was a great about grampoline.

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So dog definitely is the new rage? Is it dangerous?

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for example bells and ballin wise that will be put

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through obstacle courses. Okay, it's amazing what they can do.

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Oh can't they hurt themselves? Of course they can. You

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see so many videos of dogs on trampoline on Instagram

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at TikTok they're having a blast, So I think it's

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very individualized. Don't think, however, because you saw that dog

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on TikTok, do it that your dog can do it.

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and then I mean, think about it. Titan, is how

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old my pipe's out as Titan?

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Speaker 1: Okay, six years old?

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Speaker 2: Now physically he's twelve.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is true. That is true.

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Speaker 2: So you know, to look at a kid like this, Oh,

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he can do anything, but even something new for the

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Speaker 3: So that leads me to the question, because I think

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it's a great question, but it can be used as

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a metaphor for all aspects of how much can you

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let your young dog play, knowing it's young, but there

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may be some later consequences to the fact of playing

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so hard. It seems to me dog's over forty or

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fifty pounds. It's the shoulders and the hips that go

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lalater on And I go, well, what could we have

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done to minimize that damage later earlier when they are

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so active?

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Speaker 2: Exactly? And this is why. And it's a great point.

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So I see a dog, a Golden Retriever puppy, running

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alongside a guy with a mic right, and I'm thinking

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to myself, don't do that, because it's been shown that

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over exercising. You want to get this Rottweiler for example,

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to be the biggest, baddest roddy on the block, so

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you're gonna muscle them up, you're gonna feed them as

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a young puffs. These can all lead to problems down

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the road, so you got to be really careful. You

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want to start slow, and for example, puppy dogs that

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are Lord's breed to have a tendency to develop elbow

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dysplasia and hip dysplasia. Those are the ones you need

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to be even more careful with and start them slow

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and don't don't let them run down, and wait till

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they're fully grown. Now you know the growth plates have closed,

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the joints are developed, and then you can start getting

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on an exercise program. So, like anything else, trampoline is something. Look,

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Speaker 3: I think might help both people and dogs, is the fact,

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this tremendously because I tend to go with the huskies

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larger breed. But again it comes back that I find

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and I think I made some mistakes doing the bike

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early on, and you go, Mike, it's just like people.

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like you lift. That's going to cause damage, maybe not now,

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but later on. And so I think it's great for

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people to understand that. And I think, like the you know,

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doing this. I want my dog jumping up off the

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side of the roof. Those dogs are so amazing. But again,

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just like anything, be smart about it, right, You've lectured me.

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So I'm guilty, guys, so to understand this. I'm guilty

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of being the I always say, I'm a great I

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love dogs. I need to learn to be a better

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dogg owner. And that's one of my mistakes.

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Speaker 2: And is a good point, and that is that I

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made mistakes too. Because remember one thing about in general medicine,

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every five years half of what was gospel is obsolete.

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so we were doing it and then all of a sudden,

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some new study comes out and finds out that, oh

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my god, that's not good for your bet. So all

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of us are probably guilty of doing things that probably

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we shouldn't have but that's what learning is all about.

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You make mistakes, you learn from your mistakes.

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Speaker 3: I have one more question from my fans over here,

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so thanks for gumping in. They go, well, huskies do

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the races and everything, isn't that it's the husky that

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is setting the pace, not you riding the bike setting

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the pace, and that would be the difference between the

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two eat. So to answer your question, yes, huskies are

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really strong dogs, but they're setting the pace where the

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person riding the bike is going too fast and tugging

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Speaker 2: And a point that I really want to jump on

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now because that's a great point is here. It is

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some we're exciting with our dogs, momor we have dogs

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at overheat. And the thing is, if you're hiking your dog,

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they are so loyal to us they will do anything

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to keep up with us. And so if you don't

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read your dogs, if you read their body language, if

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you read their panting, touch their guns and feel if

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they're getting dehydrated, and don't stop frequently in the shade

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at water with you, then they will overheat. Let them

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determine how fast and how far they should go. And

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when you see them stop, read them and stop along

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with them, even though you're not ready. And anyway, with

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that thought, or you take a quick break here on

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Instagram and right back after these short messages. And once again,

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thank you for everybody at pet Life Radio five hundred shows. Mark,

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that's fantastic, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Oh sure, it's all fun and games until someone ends

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up in a cone.

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Speaker 2: That's right, we are animals, deal with it.

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Speaker 1: Heat Life Radio. Let's talk pets, let's talk about radio

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headline radio.

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Speaker 4: At light radio dot com.

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Speaker 2: And we're alive, So back to life. So we got

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a really good question real quick on a break, and

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that is the dogs that have a limb amputated do

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they get phantom pain? And they answer is I have

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no idea because we can't ask our dogs can't we

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can't tell always so but it's a good question for neurologists.

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Is it possible? And I will come back with that

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second next true, I have a kitten had nucleation ten

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Speaker 3: Can I come off of that question for you? And

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this is something again I learned from you and and

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we learned this in a heartbreaking way, My boy, Elvis,

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is that pain animals treat pain differently than humans. Right,

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humans complain I got this bad hip or knee and stuff.

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Where animals it is bred into them, and you taught

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me that, and I didn't think of this is that

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they can't show weakness because if an animal shows weakness,

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they are now pray correct. And so I feel that

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I kept my one pop elvis around too long because

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I thought he was still moving and wanting to move.

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not because he wasn't. I mean, I think this is

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a great one for you guys at home, just to

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understand that you have to you answer this. I'm not

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the expert here. You're much better now way, how would

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you you have to other?

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Speaker 2: Look at their appetite, look at it when you're not around,

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whether they're not trying to be with you, Are they moving,

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are they getting up? Are they sitting in one position?

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When they do get up, how slowly do they get up?

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Is it like an old man gets with the creaky

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bones and creaky joints. You have to read them. But

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you know, one of the things that we're going to

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talk about this, In fact, we're going to talk about

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it pretty soon. We may go over today. I hope

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you can stay with me because there are a couple

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of things I want to talk to Mike with Mike

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about because we're going through it anyway. Kids, when there's

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a drainage, it depends for the drainages if it's clear.

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to take the lachrymal glands with you, the tier glands.

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one in the lower medial canthus the inside lower part

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of the eye, which is the main one, then it's

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very possible that they might continue to tear. So if

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this persists and sometimes the eye socket fills up and

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the doctor puts a little needle into it and just

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tears come out, then unfortunately, it means that you got

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to go in and get the tear ducts too, the

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tear glands. It was a teaching hospital. Ah. Interesting, Well,

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I hope whoever did it was learning or it learned already.

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But that's something to just be aware. Okay Clean hubberd

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my Kayline Hubbard, my female Yorkie had surgery Thursday, memory

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gland tumors removed. My very removed two nipples believes is

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cancer just waiting for the results. Looks like it hasn't spread,

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so see it amazing. Yes, when you have mammary glands,

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if you don't clearly have a separation between a mass

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it may not be a tumor or maybe something other

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in that area and the nipple, then you might be

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able to just go after the mass. However, most of

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the time it's clearly adhere to part and parcel with

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the nipple, and therefore you want to get both. And

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again they don't need them anymore. So yeah, just you're

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better off taking more off and not having had to

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then taking less and found out you needed to. What

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does that mean another surgery? So since that neither one

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is going to be used anymore, if there's any doubt,

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take wider margins whatever it is, and just to be safe.

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Speaker 3: I have another question for you real quick. If your

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dogs go hiking, is there something that you can do

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to make sure that because if they're going into the

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mountains all day long, like one day a week ours

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goes for an eight hour hike, Wow, how can we

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prevent or should we check for ticks and fleas when

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they get back on those days?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, absolutely. First of all, it would be the

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protocol for the first protocol is get your dogs on

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a free in tick medicine, okay, sooner than later like out.

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And when people ask me said when should we start

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our fleet tic medication, I said two months ago? Sure,

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So you know, very important, Uh, be careful. There are

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mention drugs. Okay, fiprinil and imita cloprid that used to

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be the cats mew. They were the best and very

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effective and very safe, are still very safe, but they

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are no longer that effective. In fact, I have dogs

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coming in that have been on. These are the over

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the counter medications that you can now get at at

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Costco or any drug store. Look for the active ingredient

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fipronil and imit a cloprid I am I d A

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clo p R I d imita cloprid. They are still

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out there, but they're twenty years old, and insect doesn't

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need twenty years to develop resistence. An insect and develop

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persistence in five years, so you just have to know

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that you want to look for the newer medications they

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called isoxazolenes now there are some others that are out

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there that are still pretty good. And so if you

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don't want to get the ioxazolenes or you have to

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get it through your doctor. I think the other ones

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also come through the doctor. But you have four isoxazelines,

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you have Brevecto, you have next Card, you have Credilio

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and Simperica. They are all effective and safe. However, just

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through in some dogs that have a tendency towards seizures,

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it has been shown that these drugs, or one not

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all of them, one of them may initiate a seizure.

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So you've got to be careful. Speak with your veteran.

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Speaker 3: So you're saying, this isn't something we get to choose

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or not choose, this is something they should do.

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Speaker 2: Yes, if we are this time of the year, and

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whether you hike or just going outside, fleas are everywhere,

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So for that, yes, flee and tick medication now many

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of them. Actually we don't have a big problem here

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and loss, but your followers are everywhere. What I would

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recommend also in many parts of the country, and certainly

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a spring and summer in the Northeast, a big problem

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are mosquitos and mosquitos carry heartwroom disease. Now three of

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those that sax Agelians have a version that has three

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things fleas, tick and mosquito. It's a heartwun prevention. So

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what I would do is talk to your veterinarian. But

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I would get one with all three I had.

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Speaker 3: That was a choice kind of thing. No, my dog's fine,

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I don't need that. You'res like, it's better to be safe.

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Speaker 2: And takes for example, ipsily in your breeds. They are

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such thick coats they have a tick eating away and

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you don't even know it. So it's better to be

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in case like that, better to be safe.

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Speaker 1: There's questions for you. This is an important one. I think.

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Speaker 3: Sure a woman has to check herself to make sure

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there's no lumps. And you just said, my dogs have

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a lot of hair. Should people that have dogs with

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a lot of hair periodically check for tumors and stuff?

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Speaker 2: Of course tumors. And also when I discuss, I thought

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you were going to go there shaving them down, all right?

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You think, oh, well, they have so much hair, you said, no,

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The truth is the hair it's kind of like a

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furnace with a dog's body. If you put something cold

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in a thermis, it keeps it cold. If it something

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hot in a thermist, it keeps it hot. The hair

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does the same thing. It regulates the dog's body temperature,

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so it will actually keep them if their body is cool,

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it's one hundred point five. One hundred and two point

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five is normal temperature. Maybe the other excited hot one

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hundred and three. That's the job of a good coat.

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So even though it's hot out there, it's that coat

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is going to keep them. And if it's cold a winter,

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of course it's going to protect them. So and not

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only that, because of a dog's coat, that coat is

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always protecting the actual skin. You shave a dog down

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and now that skin is exploded to the sun. There

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are cases there are face of scin induced irritation, sun

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induced cancers. Believe it or not. So don't think that. Ah.

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You know now, if you want to trim, we call

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it a summer trim. Just keep a healthy coat and

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you'll be way ahead of the game.

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Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot today. Thanks for doing this here.

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Speaker 2: This is great. If we have no questions, I want

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to talk to you about panda. And something comes up

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to me all the time and I've been through with

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you a number of times already. At what point, when

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it dog is getting old, or a dog has a tumor,

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or a dog has some disease, even not in an

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associated with age, just a disease. At what point what

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do you look for as a pet parent to be

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able to make a very tough choice, because when you

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are emotionally attached to your pet, it's very hard to

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make an unemotional logical decisions. Logic is thrown out the

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window when there's emotion involved. So people ask me all

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the time, how do I know? So my simple answer

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is you'll know. And when you know, it's probably not

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for a reason. I'll give you some criteria that I like.

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And you and I've spoken about this, and sadly, I

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think we're going to have to speak about it again

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sooner than later. And that is first of all, people

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I say this, look, you don't have to answer these

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yes or no to me. Just things to think about,

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all right. First of all, is your dog happy? Okay? Eating?

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Still eating? That's a very important one. When someone tells

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me the dog seems to be animated, but it hasn't

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eaten in four days, and I'm giving them everything. The

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dog is losing weight. To me, that's a big concern.

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00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:06,599
How about when you look at your dog, do you

471
00:23:06,599 --> 00:23:09,640
feel sorry for them when the disease, whatever it is,

472
00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:16,279
prevents some natural bodily function? Okay, that is necessary for survival.

473
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,240
Is a dog living or just existing? If this word, grandma,

474
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,200
would you be considering full time nursing care or a

475
00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:29,440
nursing home or a nurse coming in. If the answer

476
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,119
to a lot of those it is yes, then maybe

477
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,720
it's something to think about. Well, obviously, does dog appear

478
00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:36,759
to be in pain? If there's a pain that is

479
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:40,960
not cannot be remedied through medication, that's a big issue

480
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,839
when it comes to our dogs, and it's so hard.

481
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,720
I tell you one thing that my very early in practice,

482
00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:48,759
a woman came in and she wanted to put her

483
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:51,240
dog to sleep. I listened to the dog. The dog fine,

484
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,000
I know this story, And I said, why, Well, I'm

485
00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:58,559
moving and the place I'm moved to doesn't allow pets.

486
00:23:58,599 --> 00:24:00,960
I said, well, we can help you. I work with

487
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:03,559
rescue groups. No, no, no, no, this dog won't be

488
00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:06,559
happy with anybody else. Really, you know, the two of

489
00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:09,319
my five dogs are rehomes and they're thrill to be

490
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,039
with us. I've never heard this thing, so anyway, I

491
00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:12,440
say this.

492
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,759
Speaker 1: Lady was the cat's Yeah, she thought a lot of herself.

493
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,519
Speaker 2: So anyway, I then said, well, look, you don't want

494
00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:20,279
to be there when I do it. My plan was this,

495
00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:22,640
genius Jeffrey, I'm going to take the dog to the back.

496
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,720
I better think that we're put the dog to sleep

497
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,920
and have her to sign out, and then I'm going

498
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,799
to of course find a home for this dog. No, no, no, no,

499
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,599
I want to have her in my arms when we

500
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:36,920
say goodbye. And at this point I was young, very stupid,

501
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,880
and I was working for somebody else. But I didn't

502
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,200
know that I can actually have a say and say no,

503
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:45,960
I will not do this, and with you know, sort

504
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,200
of hesitatingly, with you know, a lot of guilt. I

505
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:51,440
brought the dog in when we put the cathlin and

506
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,839
we said goodbye, and afterwards, I don't think I slept

507
00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:56,640
for a week after that. I said, I am never again.

508
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,039
I don't give a damn what the client wants. If

509
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,279
I don't think is pet to be put to sleep,

510
00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:04,599
and you do go someplace to tell this lady, I'm

511
00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:07,160
not doing it. And that has been my philosophy ever since.

512
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,880
Since it's been thirty five, I've been practicing for forty

513
00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:12,039
I want to stop you for a second, just so

514
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,079
everybody understands this. I've known you for well over a

515
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,799
decade or so even longer, but this story was one

516
00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:23,279
of the earliest stories I learned from you, and I

517
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,720
know that it sits on you because you've had to

518
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:29,440
do this. And that's why I never want to be

519
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,000
a vet is. I don't want to have to put

520
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,359
a dog to sleep, and you've done that so many times,

521
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,720
but this one resonates with you because of the fact

522
00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:37,440
that you did it at such a young age that

523
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,880
it stayed with you, right, and that I didn't feel

524
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:41,759
I didn't know that I could say no.

525
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:44,559
Speaker 3: Right, And I know we're talking about this and this

526
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,839
is the hardest thing for any pet owner, is that

527
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,240
making that decision? Is there anything else? Because you were

528
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:54,559
saying earlier, is the dog happy or is it your

529
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:56,400
interpretation of the dogs being happy?

530
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,599
Speaker 1: Could be right?

531
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: Do you feel sorry for your dog? Well, that's a

532
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,759
tough one because of the fact that if I know

533
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,400
she's sick, I'm already going to feel sorry for it, right,

534
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,000
so you're a great judge, and the vet should be

535
00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:12,279
a great judge. And this is just for anybody out

536
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:15,200
there that has a vet. They should be at that

537
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,599
point somewhat of a counselor not just a doctor. Talk

538
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,440
you through this process. Is there anything else that you

539
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,279
think you could tell them, because, like you said, we

540
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,440
may have to talk about this again soon. Panda has

541
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,240
a growth withinside that we can't stop.

542
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 2: It's a very large recto mass.

543
00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 3: And at some point that mass is going to block everything. Right,

544
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:41,839
and as of right now, we think she's very happy. Right,

545
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,799
she's eating more than I do, and I eat a lot.

546
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:47,720
But it's interesting. So for you fans at home and

547
00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:50,160
people at home, you dog owners, make sure that you

548
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,359
really listen to this part of it because this is

549
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,160
It's not black and white. It's that simple, right, There's

550
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,720
so many factors in it. And just recap you said,

551
00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:01,240
is the dog eating? Remove yourself from the situation. Is

552
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,319
the dog eating? Is the dog happy? What are some

553
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,119
of the tops?

554
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 4: So?

555
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,039
Speaker 2: Is it happy? Is it literally in pain?

556
00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:10,799
Speaker 1: Is it moving somewhat? Well? Obviously it's older.

557
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: Of course and in her case, which is why I

558
00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:16,240
mentioned it. If the problem even though she might be

559
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,319
eating and she could get up, but in her case,

560
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,720
she cannot poop anymore because the mass is literally right

561
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,680
in that regular area and it's getting big. Or is

562
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,680
there such discomfort when she tries to defecate, Is she,

563
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,599
you know, screaming in pain? Does she think it's really

564
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,240
really tough? Because to look at her as I walked

565
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,119
in today, she ran right over to me. She's jumping up.

566
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:39,759
You know, she's like the happiest thing in the world.

567
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:41,839
So when I saw her, you guys were away. I said, no,

568
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,240
right now, she's not ready. I did a recular exam.

569
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,359
It's plenty open.

570
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 3: I didn't hear this until now. So it's just so

571
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,799
you know, I got tingles. Yeah, and I'm happy that

572
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:52,000
my girls all right.

573
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: So around now, you know, she's got that little smaller

574
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:57,039
that was bleeding. I said that I can remove that.

575
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,759
Is it's part of it, but it's removable if it

576
00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:03,039
can is to bleed. Has it been bleeding or no? Okay,

577
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,759
so this is something that we can we can remove.

578
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,680
There's no way you can remove the mass. And I

579
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,799
know that a specialists who I sent you to fail

580
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,519
the same way. No way. It's pretty bad. But these

581
00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:15,039
are the kinds of cass that we have to deal with,

582
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:17,799
and it is so difficult, and an answer to your

583
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,519
question about people ask me all the time, how do

584
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:21,960
you do it? How do you put pets to sleep?

585
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,160
When I do it because of these criteria and I

586
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,200
know it's the right thing to do, and I'm not

587
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,680
emotionally attached to this pet, and I have many men

588
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:32,480
over the years that I've been emotionally attached to my

589
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,680
own pets. You have to use logic over motion. But

590
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,119
as I say, euth in Asia is a gift. It's

591
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,119
a gift that we can give back to our best friends,

592
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,799
our pets, to help them not suffer, to let them

593
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:49,920
go peacefully without pain. Into that as they put at

594
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,359
the Rainbow Bridge, and when you approach it that way,

595
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:56,079
where you know it's something that I'm giving back to

596
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,759
them to ease their discomfort, to ease their pain, to

597
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:03,039
help them to not starve because they've stopped eating. And

598
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:07,039
as a payback for the many, hopefully many years they've

599
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:09,680
given us and put smiles on our face and been

600
00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:13,519
our companions and have been loyal, they deserve to be

601
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,000
able to go out peacefully. And that's kind of how

602
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,000
I look at it isn't a rationalization. I mean, of

603
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:21,519
course it is, but it works. And now, having told

604
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:23,880
you that story, I will only do it if I

605
00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:26,319
truly think it is the right thing to do. And

606
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,359
there are cases that coming in there's something there's black

607
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:31,440
and white, but there's a lot of gray, whereas I

608
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,160
think it will be where I share to the client,

609
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:35,359
if you're ready to do it, I'm okay with it.

610
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:38,039
I see enough of my symptoms that would throw me

611
00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:40,200
to say I agree. But if you're not ready, I

612
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,319
don't think the dog is suffering. In which case you

613
00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:44,400
want to get more time, go give it more time.

614
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:45,799
You want to wait for your kid to come back,

615
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:48,440
you know, college and say goodbye, then it's okay to wait,

616
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:50,240
you know, a few days, a week, a month, whatever

617
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,359
is So, my bottom line is it's never an easy

618
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,079
Oh I wouldn't say that. It occasionally it's an easy decision,

619
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,640
but that's rare. Usually it's there's a lot of grain.

620
00:29:58,759 --> 00:29:59,799
Speaker 1: It's an easy decision.

621
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:04,279
Speaker 3: It's a heartbreaking move right, and that we're not going

622
00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:06,279
to erase it goes along with it.

623
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,359
Speaker 2: But right now, from what I see today, and as

624
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,920
long as she's doing her thing. She's not ready yet.

625
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,279
But you know another thing about having a disease like this,

626
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,240
and this is a very large mass and it's growing.

627
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,279
And as I was explaining to Mike and Mona, that

628
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,079
tumors stroll by doubling. And that's the thing. Tumors don't

629
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:23,480
have a shut off system. So if you put tumor

630
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,640
regular cells in a Petrie dish, as soon as they

631
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,799
fill the edge of the Petrie dish, there's something mechanically

632
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,000
withinside of these cells that stop them from growing.

633
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: All right.

634
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,079
Speaker 2: Tumor cells don't have that. They ignore it. So what

635
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,559
happens is one cell becomes two, becomes four, becomes eight, sixteen,

636
00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:41,960
thirty two, sixty four, fifty six, et cetera, et cetera. Okay,

637
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,200
but there's microscopic cells. You don't even see them. But

638
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,839
once they hit critical mass, which is a they say

639
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:50,400
about five hundred thousand and a half a million cells

640
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,359
in that same doubling phase might be two days, five

641
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,400
days or whatever. To Beny on the tumor, all of

642
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,319
a sudden, that half a million is a million. If

643
00:30:58,359 --> 00:31:01,000
the million become two million, four million, and all of

644
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:03,440
a sudden, people say all the time God, but I

645
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,880
mean two weeks ago, I did you feel it? And

646
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,400
now look at it. So when we get to that point,

647
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,240
we know that yes, it's gonna grow, it's going to

648
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,839
grow fast, and these are things that we have to

649
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:20,480
just deal with. But knowing that at least knowing the criteria,

650
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:25,000
knowing what to think about, you'll have time to deal.

651
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:29,160
And sometimes there is no time someone comes in with

652
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,319
a problem with their dog. Stop dating for two days

653
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,960
and I could see a huge spleen in the eruptor.

654
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: Don't go there yet.

655
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:36,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, because I want to I want to ask

656
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,799
you this question, and this is going to be the

657
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:41,799
tough one. You had a talk with me and you

658
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:47,000
said in Layman's terms, before and not late, and it

659
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:50,480
was the point of before it got so bad, instead

660
00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:53,319
of waiting until the dog was in so much pain.

661
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,319
Speaker 1: Can you kind of talk about that?

662
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 3: Do you remember that we had that kind of talk

663
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,839
with about Elvis, Because you go, there's going to be

664
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,200
a moment where it's still before that this is the

665
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:07,000
time to do it, not late, right where the dog

666
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:10,039
has been suffering for weeks, it's in pain for weeks.

667
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:13,440
And I think again, like you have something that sticks

668
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,160
with you for life. And I think being so young

669
00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:21,440
with Elvis, I didn't make the decision until it was late, right,

670
00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:24,559
And I live with that today going I see videos

671
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:27,079
and I'm like, gosh, did you not see this?

672
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: Did you not? You dumb kid?

673
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: I kind of look at it and go, man, he

674
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:35,400
didn't deserve to go through that extra pain, So how

675
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:35,640
do you?

676
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,319
Speaker 2: It's very tough one, and I learned this again, you know,

677
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,839
we never stopped learning. One of my colleagues friends is

678
00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:43,799
one of the co founders of Lap of Love and

679
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,039
they do house call youth in Asia and I've miss

680
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,920
her speak always. In one of her talks at one

681
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,680
of the conferences, and she says, you can never make

682
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,279
a mistake by saying goodbye a little bit too early,

683
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,000
but you can make a terrible mistake by waiting too long.

684
00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:58,720
That's has stuck with me. Also because I see animals

685
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:02,160
coming in that are I mean literally skin and bone,

686
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:04,519
and the owners want to still do more fluid. Is

687
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:07,079
this that I'm trying to say, No, this dog, it

688
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:07,880
says sufferings.

689
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:09,519
Speaker 1: It is just the owners.

690
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, because right, and I'm there, I'm guilty of it,

691
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:13,880
I know that, but.

692
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: Because again it's for you, there's an emotional attachment, and

693
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:22,039
I look at it. I can separate myself because I

694
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:23,920
didn't grow up with this pet. I didn't see this

695
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,519
pet every day. So this is why I am very cognizant.

696
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:32,319
And I listened to Danny speak that day. I left

697
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:34,680
with that, and you know I made that mistake. So

698
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:37,000
now I tell clients when we're getting close to the

699
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:40,200
end and they're starting to show some of these symptoms

700
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,960
that we talked about, don't wait till she's lying in

701
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,720
her side. She can't get up to go to the bathrobe.

702
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,240
That's not fair. Especially I remember when we had to

703
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,640
put down one of my dogs, my labrador. He was

704
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,079
having total getting up and it slowly went up a

705
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,200
spine to the point where he couldn't use his back legs,

706
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,720
front legs. I brought him in and I was working

707
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,359
on the board sort if i'd surgeon at the time,

708
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,960
and we did a miolin army. All right, so you

709
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:04,960
put some fluid and die fluid into the spinal canal

710
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:07,640
and you take X rays. Now this is before MRIs

711
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,119
a cts. This is going back many years. And sure enough,

712
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,199
right in his neck was a big tumor and as

713
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,119
soon as I saw that, there's no way I can

714
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:17,400
get in.

715
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: I'm not.

716
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: No one's going to do And he was also thirteen

717
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,360
and twelve years old. No one's going to do surgery

718
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,199
to take out a huge mass, probably part of the

719
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,760
spinal cord itself. And that night I took a moment.

720
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,400
I put it to sleep. I just knew it.

721
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: So again, there's that moment before and they're still happy,

722
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,239
They're still good.

723
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 2: He was happy. He was still eat but he couldn't move.

724
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,960
So he would eat, and then when he would poop, right,

725
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,360
he was army, crawling to drag himself away because he

726
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,360
was sit to clean dog. And you could see he

727
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,679
was miserable. He didn't want to be that dog. And

728
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,960
he you know a labrador, they live, they thrive on

729
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,159
their arms, on their arms, their their legs and their

730
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,840
front legs, back legs, and they love to run and

731
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,639
they love to chase, and I love to do athletic things.

732
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,000
And he was like in a straight jacket. He couldn't

733
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,400
do anything except look and breathe and still leave. I said, no,

734
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:09,880
that's not my dog. I wouldn't do that to him.

735
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,960
So it's tough, just very much at home right now.

736
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,280
I know it sounds like, okay, these are pretty yes,

737
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,559
I will make that decision. I will be the good

738
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:20,800
dog owner and I will do this. It's not as

739
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,679
easy as that. It's still hard. It's still tough to

740
00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:24,480
do that decision.

741
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,159
Speaker 3: But if you can, and you taught me this and

742
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,400
it was so great, is I have to remove myself

743
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,679
and my emotion. I'm still going to get crushed in her,

744
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,840
it always will, but what's best for the pet, right

745
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,559
And that's I think the whole point of this discussion

746
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,320
right now is you've got to be able to make

747
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,159
the best choice for your pet and don't be selfish exactly.

748
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: Don't be selfish. And it's hard. You know. Again, it's

749
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,440
easier for me, it's said as an outsider, but I

750
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,440
know it's hard. I don't think there's a dog lover

751
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,679
anyone listening to, anyone watching that hasn't had have been

752
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,400
faced with this issue. It's tough. So you know in

753
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,559
that note, all right, so we've overstayed our welcome here.

754
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,920
Let me just see, yeah, pretty much, my sister and

755
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:11,599
attach that's how she got her dog. Let me see,

756
00:36:11,639 --> 00:36:13,719
there was another question, there was it? I want to

757
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,920
wave hold on, oh more waving hello, Hello, Hello, there's

758
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,559
a question about it. Ferrel all right, feeding a feral cat.

759
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,599
This is from Hardwick Game or fleam Edge once a month.

760
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: Good.

761
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: What is something from your line? Oh, I could put

762
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,039
in the food to enhance his quality of life? Well,

763
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,880
I do have a body boost, but it's really meant

764
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,280
for dogs. I don't have a cat product, but look

765
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,679
for there's something called pittinic. There are different products out there.

766
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,760
There are multivitamins, either in a liquid form or chewable

767
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,199
that you can crush up in the food and at

768
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,559
least do something for the cat. I mean it's a

769
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:46,119
feral cat. I see. You can't trap him. You got

770
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:48,480
close enough to him and he runs away. I know it.

771
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,480
I have my cousin who does this. She's in Florida

772
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,639
and she when she lived in Hawaii, she had a

773
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:56,199
big colony. I would get calls from her all the time.

774
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,360
How do I do this? These cats are afraid of humans.

775
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,880
I get the barrel. So that was the only thing

776
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,280
to look for. Any kind of online, any kind of

777
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:08,039
cat oral vitamin supplement, and that would be a good

778
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:10,840
thing to do. And if it looks like an older cat,

779
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:13,360
maybe switch him to a food that's a senior food

780
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:16,199
or a kidney food, because we know that the number

781
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:19,280
one killer of older cat is renal disease kidney disease.

782
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: You got a question I do If we have time,

783
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,880
I'll drunk you to talk about separation anxiety that dogs

784
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,360
have with owners and if we create train them how

785
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,840
that may help because I know that we ran into

786
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,159
that again. I've run through all this guys, so on

787
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,400
a helpful hint, we couldn't leave Elvis and so that

788
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:44,920
it became a stress case within days. And create training

789
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,840
you told me would teach him to be able to

790
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,519
go by himself alone when he's younger, and that will

791
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,000
go through his whole life where he can be calm

792
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:55,519
and cool at home because I have people calling me

793
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:58,000
all the time and asking me my dog's freaking out

794
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,320
every time I leave. He's tearing up the house.

795
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,559
Speaker 2: Basically, separate anxiety is almost like a dependency where they

796
00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:06,920
become so dependent on you, on us, the owners, and

797
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:09,480
at the beginning of a puppy, we love that, right,

798
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:11,760
We love the fact that dog gets excited to see us,

799
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,880
John sum So what do we do? We pet them

800
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,440
and we go for it. So what are we doing.

801
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,159
We're reinforcing this behavior. So then all of a sudden,

802
00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:20,159
when you don't do it, now they're looking at oh

803
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:22,719
my god, and they start stressing out. So one of

804
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,519
the things with create training, one of the things I

805
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:27,320
tell people that it's a mistake that we've made when

806
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,559
they were younger. So we need to teach our dogs

807
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:33,320
to be comfortable when they're on their own, when they're

808
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,599
by themselves, when they have time alone, that can be

809
00:38:36,639 --> 00:38:40,000
satisfying to them without you being part of the equation.

810
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:43,800
So it's really just when you come up. For example,

811
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,320
I say, when you leave the house, what do we

812
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,119
normally do? Now you're missing your pet too, So if

813
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:50,639
you call them over, you get with some hugsy and

814
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,519
kiss it's good good and you can all got me

815
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:55,079
back soon, no good bye bye, and then you walk

816
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:55,599
out the door.

817
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,079
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is actually my voice when I

818
00:38:58,119 --> 00:38:59,639
do that. So what do you expect?

819
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,559
Speaker 2: Of course, of course they're sitting at that door waiting

820
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:04,519
for you to come back in and not now, and

821
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:07,000
they're the anxiety is building up, and now they're going

822
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,599
to go on their rampage, and you know they're not

823
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:11,960
going to go after just there too, toy, those very

824
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,559
expensive shoes you left under the couch, they're going after them,

825
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:16,679
and it's almost Murphy's law. They will look for the

826
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:18,880
most expensive thing and make sure that's where they get.

827
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:21,119
And then what happens when you come home. The first

828
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:23,760
thing we do, they're running up to us and we baha,

829
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,719
give them job, let them jump up on us. Then

830
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,400
we give a treat and they give pats and.

831
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: Good boy, good girl.

832
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,519
Speaker 2: I'm like, god, I missed you someoneton. Okay, So we

833
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,320
are creating this monster, this beast that can't be without us.

834
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,599
So the goal is that when you come home, when

835
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:42,239
you leave, all right, first of all, if it's really bad,

836
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,920
talk to you veterinarian. There's some medications, even something as

837
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,599
simple as CBD or my chill, which is a natural

838
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,440
you know, valarium, passionate flower, cavmeal, melatonin, elf, tip to fan,

839
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,320
all know, to kind of calm them down. But when

840
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,559
you're home and they're with you, you have to purposely

841
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,159
have them stack. When you get up to grow to

842
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:02,800
the bathroom, you run to the kitchen to get something

843
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,400
to drink, whatever whatever it is. They can't run and

844
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,400
follow you all the time. Give them a bone, give

845
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,920
him something your chew on. Do not pet them, Do

846
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,239
not let them jump onto the couch with you, all right,

847
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,119
teach them that they also have to be happy in

848
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:19,519
their own shoes, in their own paws. Now, when you leave,

849
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:21,960
don't make a big deal of leaving. If anything, give

850
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:23,639
him his toy, give his bone, gon't dip part of

851
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:27,519
the house and then quietly, quietly sneak out, or if

852
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:29,679
they're creating, you put them in the crate. They have

853
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,639
to learn that being in the crate is not punishment.

854
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,800
Being the crate is something. It's their own den, it's

855
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,280
their own security. You can't always be their security and

856
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,599
then kind of slip out. Then when you come home,

857
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,960
what I tell people to do is don't make eye contact.

858
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,079
Walk right by the dog as if he's not or

859
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:49,679
she's not even there, and they're gonna look like, what

860
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,159
the heck with him? Right, and that's what you want.

861
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:56,039
Then it could be twenty minutes later, then maybe they'll

862
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:57,679
fight you in the kitchen. Don't even look at him.

863
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,599
Just give them a pack, good boy, and then walk away.

864
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,280
Don't be so important in their lives. Let them be,

865
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,960
let them find something to soothe them. Because you're not

866
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,199
always going to be there and then go once once

867
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,840
you're they've settled their calm and you can, you know,

868
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,800
give attention again.

869
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 3: I know you see that, but I know the fans

870
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,039
at home are going, wait a minute, I'm not gonna

871
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,519
if they're I'm found my mom, I'm jumping. And I

872
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,639
fully understand because I said that to him when he

873
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:26,480
taught me this. But my pups right now are two

874
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:29,880
of the best, and they're huskies, so they're not mentally

875
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:33,199
you know, they're crazy, But because I listened to what

876
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,760
you were saying and taught me, they are so much

877
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,000
better than the others previous on how they act, how

878
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:42,480
they are, how they are emotionally, and how they are

879
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,079
as pets. And so there's wisdom and experience that you

880
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:49,760
have done through the years that really help people, and

881
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,199
it's up to us, the dog owners, to implement those

882
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,920
in and really stay on points.

883
00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:59,679
Speaker 2: And it's not it's not easy. So anyway, I swear

884
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,199
any more questions which we have, as I said, Mark

885
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,559
has been you're giving me dirty looks. Mark. You got

886
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:06,400
this as Farber five oh one and five h two.

887
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,239
So I just want to make sure that I have

888
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,039
everybody waved hello, thank you so much for joining us.

889
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,280
And it's great working with Mike because he is just

890
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,920
again if we have and you guys appreciate it because

891
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,559
you're all pet parents like Mike is. You love your pets.

892
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,760
That's why you're here. I can see you when you

893
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,880
come into my office. If you don't live near me,

894
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,280
you don't come to my office. I hope you're veterinarian

895
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,320
is the same way. And if your veterinarian has never

896
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,239
been asked your vet, have you ever been bitten? If

897
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,480
he or she says no, I hate to say, look

898
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,960
for another vet, but it just needs it. Okay, you

899
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,360
know there was one thing I went to a talk

900
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,639
one because dog's bite, cat's bite. Cat bites are worse,

901
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:46,800
by the way than dog bites. Anyway, so there's one

902
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:50,239
veterinarian or practice manager got up there and says, they

903
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,079
say a lot of things I don't like, but anyway,

904
00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:55,559
one was you should imagine a plastic bubble around your

905
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:58,480
head and you should never get close enough than that

906
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:02,400
plastic bubble, thinking what go let a dog look me

907
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,639
in the face. That ain't happenings, so speak of that.

908
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,199
It's so funny also practice. Managers say that a veterinarian

909
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,199
should never walk out into a busy waiting or any

910
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:15,639
waiting moom. Why because everybody wants to get a piece

911
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:17,840
of you, and then it's going to slow your day

912
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,599
down and it's gonna put you behind it does, I admit.

913
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,320
But I'll tell you this that I find when I

914
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,559
walk out to waiting room and if there are people

915
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:28,320
there that don't know who I am never seeing me,

916
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,679
maybe a new client, and they see how the dog's

917
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,039
waiting to see me, how they are reacting with me,

918
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,400
jumping on me, wagging their tails, so happy to see me.

919
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,480
I could not pay for better pr So I say,

920
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:46,119
wait a second, I want new people to see this

921
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,719
is me. I happy to love pets. I love your dog,

922
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:53,239
and your dog loves me, And that's what they want.

923
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,039
They want a veterinarian who their dog is not afraid

924
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:58,760
to come and see. And so the best way to

925
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,559
show it is let them look you and love them back.

926
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:04,519
And I have a slide that I show when I speak,

927
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,400
and it's a gorgeous yellow labrador. I'm in the example

928
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,599
with him. He's literally on my shoulders, big lab and

929
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,800
my tech who took the picture caught him like the

930
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,519
tongue up on my cheek. And my caption is very simple.

931
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,880
It says, we as veterinarians are very lucky because we

932
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:24,239
could and should be doing without patience what our MD

933
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:28,960
counterparts would be arrested for doing a theirs. So anyway,

934
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:31,360
have a happy Father's there, everybody, Mike, I want to

935
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,559
thank you once again. It's great. I mean, anytime we

936
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:36,639
want to do this, you're more than welcome. And we'll

937
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:39,920
see up. And Titan is here. Titan who's who's six

938
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:44,119
years old going on twelve, and he is swimming right, yeah,

939
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give a guy a kiss? Hand me father, you set

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to good kids, So anyway, that's a swimming I saw

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you at the pool.

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Speaker 1: Good.

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Speaker 2: We're trying to get my Greg well, my five year

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old grandkiss. My six year old is now learning, but

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my five year old learned at three. His little brother

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is now free and now they're both sing without floaties.

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It is fantastic. So anyway, have a wonderful week, wonderful day.

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Stay safe, keep your pets away from the foods that

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are bad for them. We'll see you next week, same

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dat time, same dat channel here on Instagram Live Pet

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life Radio and thanks much for joinings.

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Speaker 4: Great Let's talk pets every week on demand only on

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