WEBVTT 1 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:21.440 I think I've mentioned many times that if I had 2 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:24.719 a choice, I would try to live in Mexico. I'm 3 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:30.440 getting along in years, and I unfortunately appreciate steady the 4 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:35.960 Internet and streaming media, which isn't always possible in Mexico. 5 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:40.679 And also I love the people, I love the food. 6 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:45.159 It's just such a great place to visit. But I 7 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:49.520 cannot see myself living there, and that's unfortunate. Maybe if 8 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:51.679 I was a younger person I could, I could consider it. 9 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:55.880 But we are going to Mexico and we're going to 10 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:58.960 talk about some of my favorite places today, and we're 11 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:02.600 focusing on Megaithic Mexico. And if you have ever been 12 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:07.239 to Mexico to the old Ruins, the Maya, Aztec, whatever 13 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:11.560 ancient culture you're visiting, and you look at the dwellings, 14 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:15.359 you look at the pyramids, the temples. For the most part, 15 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:18.040 as old of these places are, and they're made from stone, 16 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:22.079 they are very refined. We don't see dolman. We don't 17 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:26.519 see standing stones in Mexico like we see in Europe 18 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:30.560 and in China and in the Middle East. We don't 19 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:35.640 see it. Because I think that Mexico is very, very old. 20 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:39.159 It's much older than we realize. And whenever we speak 21 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:44.920 of megalists in Mexico, we're talking about very refined stone 22 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:50.519 work to the level of sanding and polishing, and tools 23 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:56.200 that are not from the local stone quarry. We're talking 24 00:01:56.239 --> 00:02:01.560 about either metal or cutting tools or torches or some 25 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:06.799 form of cutting technology that we're not familiar with, which 26 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:12.240 makes the ruins that we see even more spectacular but 27 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:15.120 also a great curiosity. Hey, this is Cliff your Host 28 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:19.199 of Earth Ancients, and today we are joined by my 29 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:22.840 friend Marco Vigato. If you don't remember Marco, he was 30 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:26.800 featured in the very First Ancient Apocalypse with Graham Hancock 31 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:31.879 and he was taking granted some of the Central Mexico 32 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:37.599 sites and looking at the ruins. And Graham's studied Mexico, 33 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:40.879 and I believe he's a firm believer that of all 34 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:46.000 the ancient countries that have the greatest possible link to 35 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:50.560 a mother culture, mother culture being Atlantis or in the 36 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:57.000 case of the Maya and the Aztec atland the continent 37 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:05.039 and the Atlantic Ocean, the buildings are refined. They're just amazing. 38 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:09.759 And when we begin studying North America and Central America 39 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:14.159 and we look at it from the indigenous perspective. These 40 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:17.719 are indigenous scholars like Paulette Steves who we've had on 41 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:21.840 the program, who has gone back and actually determined that 42 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:26.479 many of the sites that we considered a few, you know, 43 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:29.680 a few thousand years, and we're talking about the United 44 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:33.960 States are closer to one hundred thousand years. And when 45 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:37.479 we begin talking about settlements that are one hundred thousand years, 46 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:41.960 this is where you get into some really amazing possibilities. 47 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:47.879 Now earlier in the Earth Ancients development, we had some 48 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:52.319 archaeologists who had done side scans sonar. One of them 49 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:55.719 is doctor Greg Little, and Greg and his wife and 50 00:03:55.800 --> 00:04:00.479 a team went out to the Bimini area and dove 51 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:07.439 approximately thirty feet and using side scan sonar, they passed 52 00:04:07.479 --> 00:04:09.879 the equipment down another thirty feet so it was like 53 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:14.120 sixty to one hundred feet and discovered pyramids and the 54 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:19.000 discovered temples. And when we look at these structures, they 55 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:21.720 are very very similar to what we see in the 56 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:28.639 Yucatan Peninsula, which is places like Ekbalam and Coba, the 57 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:33.720 stairway pyramids that are there. And at that time it 58 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:36.800 was almost too much for the archaeological community to even 59 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:48.720 consider of a society that predates the Aztecs, the Maya people, 60 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:54.319 and Sumerians in predynastic Egyptians. These are very very early 61 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:58.600 civilizations that were beginning to see we're beginning to understand 62 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:03.079 and remember what we see in Egypt and likely, and 63 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:06.600 I'm a very very big advocate of this, is that 64 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:10.560 these temples and these pyramids were reused over thousands of years. 65 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:16.759 So they were built probably prehistory, and then there was devastation. 66 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:24.360 There was asteroid hits, there was genocide, marauding, other people 67 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:31.639 wiped out, you know, less sophisticated people and left their dwellings. 68 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:35.920 And so when they were repopulated people places like chijinitsa 69 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:42.240 ushmol Tiwa, Teva Khan and other great Maya and other 70 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:48.000 great indigenous cities, they were repopulated with people who were 71 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:51.079 not the original builders, who did not have the scientific 72 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:57.040 and uh engineering prowess to build in the same manner 73 00:05:57.079 --> 00:06:00.319 that they that the buildings and the pyramid in the 74 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.480 cities were built under. So when it comes to the 75 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:08.319 megalithic theme, which is our program today, we're looking at 76 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:15.759 stone works that are highly refined parts of temples that 77 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:19.720 are missing. We're going to learn about a new ruin 78 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:26.279 that's just a few hours east of Mexico City, that 79 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:31.839 has the potential to be a groundbreaking location with unique pyramids, 80 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:37.759 with unique stone masonry and artifacts. It sets a precedent 81 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:44.959 for unique scholarship and begins stretching our minds. Now, now, 82 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.240 I have a lot of friends and we have a 83 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:51.680 lot of archaeologists on the program. Their work is incredibly important, 84 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:54.439 but it ends at a certain area, and then we 85 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:59.399 have to begin looking beyond that level of education because 86 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.519 a lot of it's just not working anymore. And bring 87 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:05.240 this up all the time. If you do not look 88 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:11.240 at the subtle effects of tolleric energy lay lines underneath 89 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:14.800 these city centers, then you're missing out on a whole 90 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:19.720 history that the native people, that the indigenous elders talk 91 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:24.000 about and they still work with. Now, in our tour 92 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:28.720 are Guatemala Tour December first of the twelfth, we will 93 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:33.120 actually touch base and we actually will walk and connect 94 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:37.680 and in some cases reconnect with pyramids, temples and structures 95 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:41.759 that are built and have been marked as places for 96 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:48.079 connecting with Earth energy, gravitational forces again, the emissions from 97 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:52.319 the Earth and they are enhanced and then passed over 98 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:56.079 to the body, and you can do whatever you want 99 00:07:56.160 --> 00:08:01.040 with that, but it's important to remember that these are 100 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:07.480 keys to understanding our ancestors, and archaeology doesn't even come 101 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:09.720 close to it. I brought this up a couple of 102 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:12.920 weeks ago. I think it was with Ed Barnhard that 103 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:19.079 you know, you guys, archaeology adapted archaeo astronomy because they 104 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:22.639 began realizing that a lot of these buildings were placed 105 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:27.360 in a certain manner that connected with sunrise sunset, with 106 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:32.679 the seasons, the solstices, and the equinoxes, and in some 107 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:39.399 cases entire cities were aligned to constellations. And that's still 108 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:45.399 one that is not accepted by university archaeologists. But the 109 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:51.120 independent archaeologists who are not forced to adhere to protocols 110 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:55.679 that are not necessarily very very flexible, are beginning to 111 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:59.120 open to this. And my belief is that for archaeology 112 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:02.519 to expand, they need to take on the subtle energy 113 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:08.519 and have something like bioelectric archaeology or field studies, field 114 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:12.480 energy studies of some kind where you measure the energy 115 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:15.360 that's coming out of these buildings, these temples, these pyramids, 116 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:21.039 and you determine perhaps what was going on now and 117 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:26.519 that's the beginning of a whole new line of thinking. 118 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:31.440 So today's program is with returning guests Marco Vigato, and 119 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:39.759 we're talking about Megalithic Mexico. Earth. Ancients does a number 120 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:42.039 of tours every year, and it's really important to have 121 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:44.879 a really good camera. 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If you do not know who 143 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:35.399 Marco Vigato is, he he wrote an excellent book called 144 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:40.080 The Empires of Atlantis, The Origins of Ancient Civilizations and 145 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:45.080 Mystery Traditions throughout the Ages. This is an excellent book, 146 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:47.639 and I'll tell you one of the reasons that Marco 147 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.440 is a unique individual is because he works with the 148 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:55.799 academics in Mexico and in parts of South America, Central America, 149 00:11:55.879 --> 00:11:59.679 I should say, and we'll talk a little more about that, 150 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:04.320 but he has recently finished a couple of videos that 151 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:06.120 I saw that are excellent, and we're going to talk 152 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:11.600 about those today and his ongoing quest to uncover evidence 153 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:17.159 of a very, very advanced civilization that predates the Aztecs, 154 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:20.720 the Maya and the other cultures that are noted in 155 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.840 Meso America. So hey, Marco, welcome back to Earth. Ancient 156 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:25.600 it's great to see you. 157 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:28.759 Thank you so much, Clief. It's always a pleasure to 158 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:29.440 be on the show. 159 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:33.120 Hey, I want to and I never asked you this. 160 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:38.639 You have a unique relationship with INA, the National Institute 161 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:44.639 of Anthropology and History. I have discovered that when I'm 162 00:12:44.679 --> 00:12:49.720 talking to archaeologists in Mexico or Central and even South America, 163 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:53.720 their perspective on history is much different than the Western culture. 164 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:57.639 In other words, if you use the term atlantis to 165 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:02.519 a United States archaeology just or anthropologists, they ten sep 166 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:06.000 and go. We can't talk about that. We can't talk 167 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:11.240 about ancient civilizations or prehistory. Let's just use the term prehistoric. 168 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:17.759 What is it? Why is INA and these other archaeologists 169 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:20.600 much more open to it? Is it because they have 170 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:25.720 this indigenous background of these people that are part of 171 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:29.120 their lives, and so because of their family history and 172 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:31.960 because of being grown growing up in the culture that 173 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:36.080 is much more loosely framed to prehistoric people, that it's 174 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:40.919 more acceptable in these archaeologists. 175 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:44.639 Yeah, for sure. Well I wouldn't still use the a 176 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:51.600 word with many archaeologists. That's still a pre taboo subject 177 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:56.960 for most academics, whether from a Mexico Central America or 178 00:13:57.080 --> 00:14:00.919 the United States. But what they have found they many 179 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:05.240 Mexican Latin American archeologists. They tend to be a lot 180 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:11.360 more open minded towards the possibility of an earlier civilization 181 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:17.639 or towards the possibility that some fundamental chapters in our 182 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:22.360 history or prehistory have been lost. So yes, I have found, 183 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:26.480 maybe they will not admit it publicly, but I have 184 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:31.440 found many archaeologists within within the what it would call 185 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:35.759 consider the academic mainstream here in Mexico are pretty open 186 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:38.639 to this idea of a lost to civilization. And to 187 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:41.799 your point, a part of that may be also a 188 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:47.840 legacy of their traditional background, that there are still many, 189 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:54.399 many traditions, many both mythical accounts ancient records from allver 190 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:58.919 mes America that speak about how their civilization essentially came 191 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:01.799 here from some so that may be part of the 192 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:04.200 reason why they're so open to this possibilities. 193 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:10.159 I have to wonder that I should say if the 194 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:15.639 American influence is greater than we recognize, because when I 195 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:21.120 look at places like Chichinitza and USh Mal and Coba 196 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:25.759 and some even Central Mexico in the turn of the century, 197 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:30.120 the country that was funding the excavations was the United States, 198 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:34.159 and so if there were any hints of the A 199 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:40.559 were being used Atlantis, they would quickly discuss the spense 200 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:44.679 of that and maybe are continuing to be a great 201 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:51.720 influence on the continual growth of and the education of Mexico. 202 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:53.440 What do you say to. 203 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:58.279 That DISA has changed over time though, I think if 204 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:02.480 you go back just like fifty or seventy years, yes, 205 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:05.840 you would see a field that was still very much 206 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:11.039 dominated by North American and I mean mostly US based 207 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:17.159 archeologists from this big academic institutions like Harvard, Yale, Princeton. 208 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:24.080 We're doing a massive research excavation campaigns here in mes America. 209 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:26.799 But then I would say since about seventy years ago, 210 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:30.279 since the nineteen fifty is when a new generation of 211 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:36.320 Mexican born and locally trained archeologists started taking over a 212 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:42.480 lot of these excavations, bringing in new pressure perspective, something 213 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:47.360 that to me very well symbolizes these atension between North 214 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:51.320 American and Mexican or Latin American archeologists. So is the 215 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:56.000 discovery or what they called discovery of all mexivilization, because 216 00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:01.080 that was started by American archaeologists like Matthew Sterling, for instance, 217 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:06.519 or Racker. But then you have many Mexican archeologists who 218 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:12.359 continued in their tracks significantly expanded that body of knowledge. 219 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:17.960 And it's interesting the position that many of these US 220 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:23.559 North American archeologists took back in the nineteen forties nineteen fifties, 221 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:28.359 according to which the Mayas were the pretty much the 222 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:34.640 only advanced civilization in meso America. There was this very 223 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:39.759 Maya centric view which was completely shattered during the nineteen 224 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:43.599 fifties and nineteen sixties with the discovery of the Omega. 225 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:48.400 And this was led in large part by Mexican archeologists 226 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.359 like Roman Pinachan, like Luis and Miguel Kovar Rubias, just 227 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:53.079 to name a few. 228 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:58.039 Yeah, what is your impression of like the Maya that 229 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:01.279 I speak with and the elders they refer to their 230 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:09.240 homeland as Atland forgotten continent in in the Atlantic. Well, 231 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:13.359 we know if that is do the people you speak 232 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:17.000 with and in a recognize Atland or is it a 233 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.920 mythology that they're kind of thinking about. 234 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:25.240 Well, that's still considered a mythical account. Then that mostly 235 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:29.920 originated with the Aztecs. So we're talking about the later 236 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.839 time period that the post class In the history of 237 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:40.079 mes America, the Aztecs had several origin myths that named 238 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:46.079 a place called the Astland as their ancestral homeland. According 239 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:49.400 to some accounts, that was located across the sea in 240 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:51.960 the east. The raise a for instance, a very famous 241 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.400 Aztec codex called the Codex Boturini, which is on display 242 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:59.839 the National Museum of History in anthropology, which the bigs 243 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:04.599 Aceland as an island completely surrounded by water, from which 244 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:08.240 the ancestors of the Aztec people then migrated into the 245 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:11.440 Valley of Mexico. But there are also accounts that situated 246 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:15.440 Aslanta on the mainland, in a region that would more 247 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:19.319 or less coincide with the southwest the United States. So 248 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:24.240 the location of Iceland is pre controversial, and these mostly 249 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:28.640 belongs to the world of mytha and mythology. What is 250 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:33.279 true is that so many of the ancient meso American civilizations, 251 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:36.920 including not only the Aztecs but also the Mayas, they 252 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:42.680 had very clear traditions about the arrival of their ancestors 253 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:45.559 from the sea from the east, so from the direction 254 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:48.799 of the Atlantic Ocean, and there are plenty of these accounts. 255 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:52.880 For instance, Bernardino of Saraguna, who was one of those 256 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:57.160 early Spanish historians at the time of the conquest in 257 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:01.359 the first half of the fifteen hundred. So he speaks 258 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:05.000 about this tradition that the ancestors of all the meso 259 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:08.519 American people, they came from the sea on ships, they 260 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:12.160 landed on the coast of what is today Vera Cruz 261 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:16.240 or Tamaulipas, and then moved inland to become the founders 262 00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:20.000 of meso American civilization. And also among the Mayas, you 263 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:22.920 have very similar accounts in the popul War, for instance, 264 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:28.000 the annaus of the Kachikels, which are different religious tacts 265 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:34.000 from different Maya groups. The Mayas, for instance, who also 266 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:38.359 speak about their ancestors coming from some land in the 267 00:20:38.440 --> 00:20:41.720 east after a very long journey over sea and land. 268 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:44.599 So this all suggests at least a belief that there 269 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:48.319 was shared among the meso American people that their ancestors 270 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:52.440 were not native of meso America, but they came here 271 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:56.200 from some other land that was likely located across the 272 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:57.799 Atlantic Ocean to the east. 273 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:00.559 Well, this is interesting that you bring that up, because 274 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:05.279 I was curious about what the Mexican archaeological community believes 275 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:11.000 were the original settlers if they still believed like the Americans, 276 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:14.240 not all of the Americans, but many of them believed 277 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:19.720 the Bearing Straight was the crossing bridge from Asia, Europe 278 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:25.960 or Russia. But there's more and more independent archaeologists who 279 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:30.559 believe that they traveled and they migrated by ocean routes, 280 00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:37.759 and actually the South American archaeologists have spoken with believe 281 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:40.920 that Antarctica at one time may have been a place 282 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:45.759 where the earliest ancestors came up through South America into 283 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:50.880 Central and North America, which is not even considered by 284 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:54.880 the American universities because it's not in their purview. It's like, 285 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:58.839 it's like we need to have speaking about the United States, 286 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:02.920 we need to have more more of a collective thought 287 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:08.920 when we think of the migration of our ancestors. What 288 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:10.640 do you say to that regarding Mexico. 289 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:15.440 I wouldn't personally go as far as Antarctica, but you're 290 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:20.200 absolutely right. There are several different models for the peopling 291 00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:24.079 of the Americas, and now the mainstream view that pretty 292 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:29.960 much all of the ancestors of the present day Native Americans, 293 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:34.839 they came from the varying straits, so from Northeast Asia 294 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:39.519 has been challenged by several findings that show evidence of 295 00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:44.160 a very early human presence in the Americas. One of 296 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:48.359 those a little controversial is a ceotique master on site 297 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:51.920 a close San Diego would pushback the arrival of the 298 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:56.079 first humans. We don't know whether they were anatomically modern humans. 299 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:59.200 Maybe the under tells maybe denis Ovans, but that show 300 00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:03.400 there were people here in the America, probably as early 301 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:08.000 as one hundred and thirty thousand years old years ago, 302 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:12.240 which is a lot earlier than when this alleged migration 303 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:16.599 through the Bearing Strait occurred. There's also evidence from plenty 304 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:21.920 of sites across Mexico, central South America the show a 305 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:26.119 very early human presence, probably as early as twenty or 306 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:30.480 thirty thousand BC, which is again much earlier than when 307 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:39.240 archaeologists paleontologists believe these ice recorded or existed between Siberia 308 00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:43.640 and Alaska through the Bearing Strait. There's also this mystery 309 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:47.200 about the so called palaeo Americans. There are obviously very 310 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:52.960 few skeletons that have been discovered and from which DNA 311 00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:57.279 could be recovered dating to such an early time period, 312 00:23:57.559 --> 00:24:01.319 but it's interesting to observe that all these early skeletons 313 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:07.039 were talking about three ten thousand BC that have been 314 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:10.440 found in the Americas, like the Kennectwickman and the Spirit 315 00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:14.440 Keith Mummy, for instance, many found in senopees in the 316 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:19.160 Maya region as well. They show physical and genetic traits 317 00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:24.279 that are not found among living a Native American populations. 318 00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:29.240 So that almost suggests the existence of an ancestral population 319 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:34.160 which is generally referred to as paleo Americans, which was 320 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:40.319 then replaced, likely by invaders, by newcomers that came in 321 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:43.440 through the Bearing Strait at the end of the lasta 322 00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:44.240 Ice Age. 323 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:46.839 Now this is a big one for me, and I 324 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:50.000 think you follow the same mindset, which is we have 325 00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:54.039 this younger, driest period where there seems to be a 326 00:24:54.200 --> 00:25:00.599 firm stop of culture civilization worldwide, which lends us to 327 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:04.839 think that there was a catastrophic event that wiped out 328 00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:10.000 both the megafauna and human lifestyle. But and I've read 329 00:25:10.039 --> 00:25:13.440 your book, for the most part, it seems to me, 330 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:17.720 Marco that many, many, many of these ancient sites throughout 331 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:25.680 Mexico and some of these old locations are repopulated after 332 00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:29.279 this event. And this is what archaeologists and each hortologists 333 00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:32.519 are finding. I've had a couple on my program, and 334 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:38.359 there's a whole what they're being called reuse of temples pyramids, 335 00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:42.599 and this is a real problem because I think I 336 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:44.519 would like to hear from you on this one, that 337 00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:49.359 the academic world is not recognizing the possibilities of a 338 00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:53.440 very very antiquity period, you know, tens of thousands of 339 00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:56.640 years or more, where there was a very very high 340 00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:00.640 level of culture that was wiped out, and then there 341 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:04.079 were the survivors who repopulated, and these are the people 342 00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:08.720 we consider the the Aztecs, the Maya, and these other 343 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:13.960 cultures that are frequently referred to as the ancients of Mexico. 344 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:20.079 There are really two big watershed moments in the settlement 345 00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:24.319 of the Americas and in the development of mess American civilization. 346 00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:29.079 The first one was Pray around the time after the 347 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:32.240 Younger Drayas, after the end of the Last Ice Age, 348 00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:36.880 where you see this massive inflow of people into North America, 349 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:42.680 likely from Northeast Asia, possibly from other origins as well. 350 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:45.960 These people brought the agriculture as well, so you have 351 00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:49.920 the appearance of our agriculture in central Mexico, in the 352 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:53.839 Valley of Tewakanquebla just around eight thousand BC, which is 353 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:59.599 remarkably closer to when agriculture also appears almost suddenly in 354 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.400 the Tile Crescent, in the Middle East, China, in the 355 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:06.799 South America, and so many other places around the world. 356 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:10.240 So that again suggests that these people brought a more 357 00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:16.000 advanced cultural knowledge of agriculture, of crop domestication into all 358 00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:19.799 these different places. And the Second Watershed moment is at 359 00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:24.160 the beginning of what the meso American archeologists referred to 360 00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:27.240 as the pre Classic or Formative period. So we're talking 361 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:31.359 about the time roughly two thousand to fifteen hundred years 362 00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:35.079 of BC, three thousand, five hundred to four thousand years ago. 363 00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:39.359 That's when all mag civilization arises. And what you see 364 00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:44.440 around that time is the sub emergence of a high culture. 365 00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:49.920 High civilization in the meso America appearances out of nowhere 366 00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:55.559 of all mega civilization, bringing in new artistic styles, a 367 00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.720 new technology. And this is I think one of the bigger, 368 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:03.759 not the biggest enigma in mes American archaeology. Where the 369 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:08.119 this culture that we call today the Olmecs come from. 370 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:10.799 Yeah, well, let's talk about the Omes for a minute, 371 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.359 because that's one of your sweet spots. Uh. I kind 372 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:16.519 of want to think when I think of Marko Vigato, 373 00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:22.200 I think of the Olmec man. But uh, there are 374 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.000 some people that believe that there is a link to 375 00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:29.920 China with the Olmec, and there's similar uh in some 376 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.079 of their writing. I've had a couple of researchers on 377 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:37.720 the program that believe that they were into Yogic Hindu 378 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:42.119 uh influence. What do you say about their origins? I mean, 379 00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:45.279 if if I talk to if I talk to a 380 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:49.039 classic archaeologist, like we have Ed Barnhardt on the program 381 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:51.079 all the time. I love the guy, but they just 382 00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:58.039 cannot go beyond their educator, their training. They can't consider 383 00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:02.119 any other origin of their of the OMEG. What do 384 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:03.440 you say? 385 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:08.000 Yeah, I think it's very fascinating because if you look 386 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:12.400 at all mac art, particularly early all macart or art 387 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.880 of the formative period of mes American civilization, what you 388 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:21.559 find is a remarkable diversity, both in terms of artistic 389 00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:29.039 representations in terms of also of what looks like ethnic diversity. Now, 390 00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:33.079 this is a pre controversial subject. I think anyone who 391 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:39.559 attempts to claim there were transoceanic voyages or Transoceanic conduct 392 00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:43.920 is immediately labeled as a racist or a white supremacist 393 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:50.000 these days, but it's truly remarkable. If you look at 394 00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:54.119 how these people depicted themselves or the people around them, 395 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:59.079 you find that the most fascinating combination and that mixture 396 00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:04.359 of different types. You find people look obviously meso American 397 00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:07.400 or Native Americans, but you also see people that look 398 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:12.240 clearly Asian, and I mean mostly like Asian, almost with 399 00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:15.680 Chinese or Japanese wace. So you find people who look 400 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.759 more like Black Africans. If you think about this colossal 401 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:21.079