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Speaker 2: S S.

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Speaker 3: S S.

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Speaker 4: I don't uggy you're cramb up in that tree. What

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you're doing up there?

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Speaker 5: Why are you scared while you're running from every debate.

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You don't run from Andrew and from me? And I

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don't like a.

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Speaker 4: Natural madla monkey.

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Speaker 6: The females with them bananas between intrance.

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Speaker 4: Hanging down upside down. Found that's a smile, metal lunkey.

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What you're doing to me a clemming up that trade.

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Matt and a female male monkey climbed.

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Speaker 7: Up a tree k s sr.

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Speaker 5: And he'm doing much more en worse than that. Uh

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madal monkey.

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Speaker 6: Natal madla monkeys with them bananas between intres hanging down

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upside down.

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Speaker 4: Found that's a smile, not so lucky. What you're doing

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to me.

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Speaker 8: A nana that tree?

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Speaker 5: Give me a nana nanana.

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Speaker 4: One more than nan because my name is mad marg

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a god. I say it's not a banana.

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Speaker 5: I say it's a JJ that reminds me of j

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kep me.

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Speaker 4: And that's a bake o mad monkey, Matla ma arkey, madila.

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Speaker 6: Monkey, you like the monkeys with a banana's betray that

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she standing down upside down frown.

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Speaker 4: That's a smile.

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Speaker 9: That's all monkey.

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Speaker 4: What you're doing to me? Mattal a monkey? What happy

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see the baby? I thought you was all about reason

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and it was all about science. But now you're saying

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all kind of bunch of nonsense.

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Speaker 3: Why are you're so big?

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Speaker 10: Why are you're sky fire?

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Speaker 6: You're so big?

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Speaker 11: Why you're super fire?

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Speaker 12: You're so big?

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Speaker 13: Why are you're sop fire?

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Speaker 14: You're so big?

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Speaker 15: Why you're superd.

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Speaker 12: Why are you so big?

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Speaker 1: Why are you sure?

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Speaker 12: Are you so.

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Speaker 14: Super so?

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Speaker 16: Why so.

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Speaker 11: Sure?

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Speaker 12: Why are you so gay?

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 13: That's what they called it? After party.

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Speaker 14: I'm I'm, I'm, I'm I'm.

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Speaker 17: I was born.

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Speaker 18: Romania in a family.

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Speaker 4: Fancy pants.

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Speaker 18: I was born in Romania in a family fancy cost.

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Speaker 5: Santy cost.

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Speaker 19: That's how they have charged.

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Speaker 20: Right now, that's all about a charge. We're about to

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have an eye like church party in the baby, that's

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what That's.

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Speaker 13: What they called it. After party. You'll never heard of

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the after party.

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Speaker 18: I was Borner Romania in a Christian family.

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Speaker 10: Fancy costa, Panti Costa.

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Speaker 18: I was Borner, Romania in a Christian family, Fanti Costa,

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Santi Costa.

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Speaker 9: About my gi.

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Speaker 13: My fresh out to get you, about my gig on.

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Speaker 21: First alder depends on bo get wrong. I'm nice, So

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what I'm wrong? It's a pretty weekend.

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Speaker 13: Maybe we about a half or some charm.

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Speaker 18: I was borner Romania in a Christian family. Fancy contar,

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fancy cost I was honer Romania in a Fristian family.

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Speaker 14: I a compact.

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Speaker 11: Don't you want to damn?

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Speaker 10: State of God stupping?

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Speaker 11: Why you want to do it?

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Speaker 10: But the gods you things?

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Speaker 11: Can you have to stop down the state of God stopping?

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Speaker 10: Always got there be distinct, just got stopping?

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Speaker 22: Got sup?

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Speaker 11: Go sup?

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Speaker 23: Got sup?

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Speaker 11: Gesn'testn't do it? Nasty things. All you want to do

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is to take out something. Why you want to hurt

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me with your cat stopping?

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Speaker 22: Why you want to do that?

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Speaker 11: To be goat stopping? Because gossip God, your love is dead?

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Speaker 4: State of gatathing?

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Speaker 11: Why do you want to kill it? Win of got

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you training just stut the the strait of garsathing, always

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have the state just guing, go goss God got It's

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like the the rumor a blue now stick made fun

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of me because girls please delet and removed. All okay

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to go.

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Speaker 22: Goss go you to.

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Speaker 24: Black kangs, black bishops, black players, people of the Chocolate Persuade,

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black king, black bishops, black players, people of the Chocolate persue,

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lack kings and black bishops, black players, people of the

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Chocolate Persue, lack Kang, black bishops, black players, people of

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the Chocolate Persuasion.

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Speaker 20: But the dark ages at a time when black people

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rule Europe.

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Speaker 13: So when you go into the real history, you'll see

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King James.

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Speaker 24: With that's King James right, that's James Lebron, that's King

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lebar right black.

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Speaker 13: He was not a white guy. You'll see his whole.

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Speaker 24: Lineage of kings, black Kang, black bishops, black players, people

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of the Chocolate Persuade, black Kang, black bishops, black players,

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people of the Chocolate persuey lack Kang, black bishops, black players,

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people of the Chocolate persuey lack Kang, black bishops, black players,

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people of the Chocolate Persuasion, who was in almost sexual himself,

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who was in love with his sister Lucretia, who have

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made the image of Lucretia to be married, and that

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became the Renaissance era queen.

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Speaker 19: So are you telling me Lucretia that's a black game

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right there?

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Speaker 21: Are you going to say that the people that was

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framing the black people were also black.

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Speaker 14: They don't make no sense.

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Speaker 13: Lucretias are black as hell named lucreatias. Church even allowed it,

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you know what I'm saying. The Church allowed for straight

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pemples that have been suppressed, that have been suppressed.

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Speaker 19: Listened to my brother the fifteen hundreds, it was legal

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be a pim.

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Speaker 3: Black gang, black chicians.

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Speaker 24: Black play is people of the chocolate persuasive, black gang,

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black visions. Black play is people of the chocolate persuasion.

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Speaker 19: Trying to fix today's problems. Try to fix today's problems politically.

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Speaker 13: And this is what so many people in.

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Speaker 19: Alt circles all ride or whatever the media.

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Speaker 13: They all seem to think that there's like a political

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solution to man's problems. And really the whole of my

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dranty is built on this neo pagan concept of.

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Speaker 12: Political salvation, and there is no political salvation.

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Speaker 19: For me because man's problems are not essentially.

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Speaker 13: Political, they're spiritual. The hierarchy of how man views himself

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in the world has been inverted. I've covered over and

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over and over the white papers that actually discussed how

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to invert and subvert that changing images of man things

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like this.

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Speaker 16: So what has to happen is.

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Speaker 8: That the.

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Speaker 13: Inversion has to be reverted back to the way it

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needs to be, and that means that first and foremost

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for man, it is spiritual issues. Those come first. Then

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we have the things like the philosophy and the family

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and the social issues and things like that that comes next,

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and race, where ethnicity could be classed as part of that.

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That is, in other words, you caring for your people

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is just a broader extension of the family, the tribe,

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the nation.

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Speaker 19: Right, It all depends on what we mean by.

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Speaker 13: These words in these terms. Now, America and Americanism is

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the first attempt at a completely propositional nation, and this

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is well known.

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Speaker 19: This is not debated in political theory.

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Speaker 13: I think even Abraham Lincoln referred to it.

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Speaker 3: Though.

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Speaker 13: Way, it's nice to have a little bit of that

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classic Amid the Ruins fourteen fifty three Dire Wave shout

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out to Amid the Ruins. We haven't played that as

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an intro for many years, and somebody was complaining, why

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did you play that stupid double O seven song when

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you could have been playing this. Well, I played that

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for like five.

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Speaker 19: Years straight every day.

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Speaker 13: So there's a time in a season it was good

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to take a break, it was good to have a

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bit of a different vibe for a little while. But

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we've got such a roster now of cringe core dire

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wave all over the place that it's a fruitful genre.

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And we're even getting Jim Bob songs on the cringe

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Court label. Shout out to doctor Evo. Welcome everybody, It's

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another day of open forum, open discussion. I want to

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first start with a little bit of a little bit

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of a dyla monkey, a little bit of a A yeah,

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because this video cracked me up. A gaytheist posted a

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an AI that's gonna help us understand the Magical Mystery

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Tour of Evolution.

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Speaker 19: Load up, Load.

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Speaker 20: Up for the mystery too, Load up. The Magical Mystery

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Tour is coming to make you gay, coming to make

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you gay, make you gay.

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Speaker 19: Yes, you heard me correctly.

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Speaker 13: We can all become Parker and Danny's or whatever that

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dude's name was from Pierce Morgan. We can all become gatheists.

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You just got to learn the Marvel fan fiction mysteries

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of the MCU magical transformations. So let's learn how it works.

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Let's check this out, all right, I didn't know I

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had music, so let me turn the music down. Hold on,

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all right, let's start this over because it's got stupid

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ass copyright music.

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Speaker 19: Now, let's identify all these cool creatures. Cool creatures, dude,

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collect them all evolutionary pokemons, Bro.

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Speaker 13: What's this?

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Speaker 19: So we got a little slug here? Did you know

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that ducks come from slugs?

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Speaker 22: Duh?

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Speaker 13: At science? Bro, you put a little more science in

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that tank and you do'n under stand. Okay, So we

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get slugs turn into snails. Yeah, I get that, that

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makes sense. Okay, yeah, science. That turns into uh, something

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that looks like a tick cross with a gay tick. Basically,

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he's got some sass, a gay tick that turns into

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some kind of a mollusk of some sort. This is science,

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by the way, clearly, okay. And then that turns into

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a ladybug, a big underwater lady bug with goggles, with

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steampunk goggles. You'll see the steampunk goggles right there. That

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turns into a fish.

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Speaker 19: Clearly. That turns into Tiktolic, our old friend, Tiktolic.

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Speaker 13: Y'all don't know who Titolic. Tiktolic is so famous that

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he became a meme. We used to make fun of

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Tiktolic ten years ago on the afternoon commute podcast Hoaxbusters, call.

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Speaker 19: He he's this little cute do dad here, look at him.

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Speaker 13: That's why he made it onto the cover, that little

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he was crawling across Candace's desk. On my thumbnail, y'all,

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like my thumbnail today, I put Candace, Tiktolic, the Pope,

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and my favorite Jewish queen, Buffy the Vampire Slayer right there.

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So that clearly existed that thing. Don't worry about the

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ergonomics of how it actually fed and run around and worked.

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Don't worry about that. Don't worry about whether or not

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that thing could actually do anything. It's real because they're

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look at watch the science. So here's Tiktolic right here.

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But this is like when he got legs. He was

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sitting around in that muck and then he was like, man,

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I wish I could get over on the land, and

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he pooped out some legs, dude, and then he was like, yeah,

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now I'm a gator, dude, I'm a gator. And by

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the way, when he became a gator, he can immediately

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feed on all the techtolics that didn't have legs. So

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remember this is three hundred and eighty million. There's hundreds

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of millions of years of these cameras, but there's no

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fossils of a camera.

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Speaker 19: Isn't that interesting?

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Speaker 13: There's no actual fossils of We should actually be like

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covered up, like walking around swimming through fossils and bones

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of all of these monsters, but there aren't any any

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monster camera bones anywhere like that. Need turns into another alligator.

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So he went from gator to gator. That was an

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alley gate. Or he's a gay. Okay, now he's still

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in the ponds. Com get out of the ponds. Com dude,

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come on, we know you can walk there. We go

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get up on the land. Now he's becoming a dinosaur.

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Now he's becoming a velociraptor. Now he's becoming we're gonna

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have Chris Pratt riding him with Scarlett Johansson in a minute.

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They're literally like two million years away from Chris Pratt

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riding it. Come on, turn into a gator, turn into

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a dinosaur.

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Speaker 19: Yes, he's a full tea.

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Speaker 13: Rights, now you gonna like he went to full t rection.

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Where's the duck? By the way, I thought we were

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getting to ducks. So that we're at We're at velociraptor

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literal Jurassic World. Bull crap, hold on, hold on, no,

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we're about to get to t rex. No, now he

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went small again. Hold up, dude, Hold up, he was

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a giant ass water wrecks and then he shrunk back

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down to a gecko like we got in my backyard.

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Now he's going back. Now he turned into a bird. Dude,

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what I'm starting to think that ancient animal creatures had

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magical powers. They had like Harry Potter powers. This is

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the Harry Potter world, bro, this is this is hog

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Awarts evolutionary biology. We got to have who's the next

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professor at Hogwarts Richard Dawkins?

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Speaker 20: Why yes, I did put my peepee in the poopoo

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of Dumbledore.

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Speaker 13: Why yes, there's nothing wrong with it because there's no

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god jo see. Okay, So now we went from t

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rex to finch. I don't know anything about birds. I'm

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just gonna call this a finch. T Rex to fench

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to goose to duck. Oh that's how it happened, clearly.

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And then he walked like how the duck swam, but

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then grew legs, so there was a there was a

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legless duck for a while. How did he paddle if

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he didn't have legs?

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Speaker 20: Oh did?

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Speaker 13: Maybe he used his Dumbledore or his Harry Potter power,

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his Hogwarts powers. What's the Hogwarts spell for turning into something?

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Some of y'all nerds in the chat will know dar

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winning exactly. We straight up dar winning. Matt Duck a monkey,

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you quacked up in this tree? Matt Duck a monkey? Okay, okay,

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in honor of Matt Dila monkey, I will play the

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song because you all want it and it really fits

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the Matt Dylan monkey. No, Matt Dilon, No, Matt Dylan monkey. No,

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that doesn't summer.

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Speaker 19: Only because it fits Matt Dylan monkey.

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Speaker 10: Until the monkey.

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Speaker 21: You find up in that tree, Matt Duck and monkey

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you quacked up in that tree?

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Speaker 16: What you doing up there?

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Speaker 25: Why you scared?

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Speaker 20: Why you running from every de bad?

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Speaker 4: You ran from man true and from me?

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Speaker 10: Until the monkey Like the email monkeys with tumble.

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Speaker 8: Bats between the trees, feeling hagging down upside down, that's a.

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Speaker 19: Smart You'll feel that you're making it out of the

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trees with this one.

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Speaker 13: What you doing to me?

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Speaker 1: It?

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Speaker 20: Do a monkey.

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Speaker 10: Deal a mall.

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Speaker 19: Okay, all right, that's enough of that.

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Speaker 13: I had to do it.

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Speaker 7: We gotta make a tiktolic song. Ticktie lick. I want

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to tick touch you, tiktile lick. I want to tikti

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lick you, tiktile lick.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 13: Maybe if you if you lick a tiktolic, do you

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get a trip like a frog? If you lick a frog,

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you get an acid trip. If you lick a TikTok lick,

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you get a uh evolutionary descent back into your genetic memories.

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Speaking of which, while we're on this subject of Marvel

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Universe Hogwarts fan fiction, remember that movie Lucy. Lucy cracks

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me up because it's such a stupid movie, but it's

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actually worth watching because of the nonsense of what people believe. Right,

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you understand that when you buy into this story, you're

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actually believing the type of thing that you see in

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the Lucy movie. It's so stupid, but it's science, dude.

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Just tax science on it. Put a little science in

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that tank, put a little peepy in the poopoo with science.

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And it's true. And in fact, I even included Lucy

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in my book, my third book, because of the evolutionary nonsense.

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I included four evolutionary transcendence type movies. Yeah, here we go, right,

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So in part three there's a whole chapter on this.

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But I also included the Planet of the Apes, Monkeys

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and the Reboot. And I'll tell you why in a minute,

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because you're like, well, those are stupid. Now, Actually there's

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some pretty interesting symbolism, particularly in the Old and the

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New Planet of the Apes movies, because they're all everybody

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watches those. Oh those are just stupid sci fi movies.

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Oh really, but you actually believe stupid sci fi things.

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So why is that stupid when you literally believe like

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the exact same level of stuff. So Grimes was popping

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off on Twitter today, all right, and I like Grimes's music.

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Speaker 19: I like Grimes. I'm gonna play it.

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Speaker 13: I'm gonna be the hipster, right, and I'd be like, dude,

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I was listening to Grimes when like HERTA video had

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like forty thousand views.

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Speaker 19: That's true, though, I really was. This is pre elon

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era Grimes.

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Speaker 13: So she was going off about how she liked the

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movie Arrival, and I was talking about how it's globalist propaganda,

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and then Grimes mentioned that she likes or no. Somebody

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in the in the comments was like, oh Grimes, Grimes,

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I love you. You gotta watch Transcendence with giant up.

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It's so deep if freaking blew my mind, dude, Transcendence

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is the stupidest transhumanist movie of all time. And all

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of these movies have a very similar theme. What's the

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common theme between Transcendence, Lucy, Planet of the Gapes. Oh,

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it's the evolutionary Harry Potter Hogwarts Marvel Cinematic Universe mythology.

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So if you don't know, in this movie, a hot

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chick gets kidnapped by the Triads or the Yakuza. Okay, yeah, yeah, right,

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this chick's definitely hanging out with the Triads. Yeah, she's

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definitely a like street level addict chick, right sure, And

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she gets co opted into being what they think is

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a drug runner, so they're gonna cut open her belly

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and stick up a pack of drugs in there. Well,

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it turns out the drug is this neurotropic, this like

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super advanced, it's like super meth. Okay, So basically Scarlett

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jahas and gets infected with a gigantic pouch of supermeth

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because when they put it inside of her, she gets

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beat up and it unlocks her evolutionary potential. Well, inter

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Morgan Reemon, who is over here given uh Dawkins style

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lectures at some stupid ass college.

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Speaker 26: Right, imagine if we could access one hundred percent interesting

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things begin to have your news all.

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Speaker 19: Bringing and right.

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Speaker 13: So we're only using a few percentages of our brain capacities.

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And oh, because that proves evolution, because everything proves evolution.

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Did you know, by the way, that literally everything proves

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evolutionary theory? Literally everything, junk DNA proves it because remember

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Richard Dakwin's Dwalkwins Richard Duckkins, since we're on the theme

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of ducks evolving from tiktolic, Richard Duccins years ago said

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that junk DNA proves evolution because we evolved and we

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have all these holdover components, all the bloat wear on

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our body that's not necessary. Oh but wait a minute,

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it turns out when we figured out that actually there

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is a usage for some of the body parts that

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we thought had no function, Richard Dawkins flips the script

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and says, well, of course there are no junk DNAs

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and everything is useful, and that proves evolution. So basically

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everything functions to prove evolution even when evolution is disproven,

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because it's an unfalsifiable system. There's three unfalsifiable systems out there.

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Did you know that? Classical Marxism, because if you ever

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critique Marxism, you would only critique it because you're part

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of the bourgeoisie. So by default, by necessity, your argument

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is disqualified. Papism because every argument against the papacy is

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disproven because the papacy refutes any argument against it, because

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the papacy is the final authority, and third evolutionary mythology.

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They all are unfalsifiable. But here's the problem with unfalsifiable systems.

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They're actually extremely weak because a system that's actually strong

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doesn't have to constantly concoct bull crap to prop up

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the system because it's so weak.

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Speaker 19: Anyways.

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Speaker 13: So it turns out when Scarlett Johanka Donk gets the

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meth released the Supermath into her bloodstream, she turns into

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the ultimate Slate Queen.

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Speaker 19: Not just the ultimate Slate Queen, she actually transcends time

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and space.

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Speaker 13: Unites with the nanotech black Goo. Yes there's nanotech black

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goo all in this movie.

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Speaker 19: She becomes one with the nanotech black Goo.

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Speaker 13: She gets revenge on Ryan Rivera over here from the

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Sam Hyde show, goes and kills all the Yakuza triads

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and yes, I know there's a difference on being silly dummies,

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and she turns full look. She gets the spice. She

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goes full aryan spice mode with blue eyes. She can

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then transmogrify, transmutate into anything, because just like the video

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that we watched, transhumanism, trans g r E G E

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N D R E I S M is the same

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thing as evolutionary mutation. They're all the same worldview. So

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why wouldn't she be able to once she harnesses all

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the genetic memory powers all the way back to loose.

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Lucy is, by the way, the first monkey that I

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don't know realized it was gay or whatever, so it

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was awake when it was learned that it was gay.

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And she goes back in time because she's got godpowers

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now she's a goddess, dude. She goes back in time

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and she looks in the eyes of the first gay monkey, Lucy,

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and guess what its name was, Lucy. I told you

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you're too dumbed to even get it, because even when

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I told you, you didn't even get it because you're uninvolved. Lucy, dude,

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your mind just got blowed, Lucy, for Lucifer is actually

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the gay enlightening monkey. Follow with me here, maddyla monkey

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also likes monkeys with peeps that are women. Follow with

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me here. Transcendence, trans humanism, trans vestism, transvestigial organisms, transvestigial orgasms. Okay,

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I'm getting ridiculous. I couldn't resist it though. There's just

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too much nonsense in all this bull craft, dude, anyway,

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So uh yeah, So when you get the myth the

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super meth inside your bloodstream and you become the goddess,

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you can pretty much just like neuralink. She has power

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over time and space and matter, and then she goes

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back in time to stare into the eyes of the

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first game. Monky, Lucy, your mind just got blood. That's

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the evolutionary word. That's what all you dummies believe, because

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it's so. It's because the reason is now in transcendence.

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We're is just as stupid. I'm sorry, Grimes, but y'all

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believe a bunch of nonsense. John Depp, Okay, he's over

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here with uh, Paul Bettany, and he's a he's like

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Ray Kurzwall or something. It's been a while since I

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watched this, right, so he's like Ray Cursewall and he's

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like a tech dork. I don't know what he is.

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And he's he's lost his wife, Rebecca Hall, and so

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he's gonna put all the information and the data into

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the big supercomputer and he's going to bring her back.

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Right but then, oh no, wait, never mind, he didn't

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lose her.

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Speaker 19: I forget what. I don't remember the plot, but basically,

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he harnesses a bunch of like.

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Speaker 13: Solar panels and create it's a super computer out in

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the desert, and he uploads his consciousness to the cloud. Dude,

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Oh shit, bro, my man got blowed.

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Speaker 19: Imagine if John Dupp uploaded his consciousness to the cloud.

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Speaker 13: The cloud would be like eighty proof if he did that.

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But I don't know.

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Speaker 19: That's the best I could come up with.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, the cloud is drunk right now because John Depp

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just got uploaded. The cloud is stoned off its rockers

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because John Depp just got uploaded to the cloud. Anyway,

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this is the stupid shit that people believe. This is

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what everyone believes is science. This is like the normy

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religion is all this crowd right here?

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Speaker 19: Anyways, I want to tiktolic you up and down.

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Speaker 13: My tiktolic song is turned into one of those nasty

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nineties R and B songs, remember those like Thong that

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on Dong Dong Cisco and R Kelly. He could write

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a dirty ass song about tiktole it. I want to

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take you up and down?

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Speaker 27: Ok?

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Speaker 13: Anyways, Okay, We'll take a couple of calls because I'm

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in the mood now. Y'all got me turned up and

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turned on.

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Speaker 19: All of this talk of dyla monkeys and licking tiktolics is.

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It's good hot in here.

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Speaker 13: My feet are sweating, my underwarms are sweating. I'm gonna

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have to go take a cold shower because I'm starting

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to evolve. Chris jen what's up? What's that stupid R

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and B song? Let me lick you up and down? Yes, sir, Yeah, man?

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What's up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: What? Bro?

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Speaker 13: Give me hell out of here? What you're talking about?

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Sons of Jared?

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Speaker 19: What's up?

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Speaker 13: Dudes? Calling me from freaking fifty five BC, fifty five

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million years ago? Trying to call trying to call from

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the primordial dudes calling from the primordial suit. What's up?

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Speaker 14: Man? What's up?

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Speaker 9: Last time we would be here, we talked about the

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abstracting from abstraction, the kicking classification, and I got baby,

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I don't know.

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Speaker 3: If you need to elaborate or we people want to

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the topic of today?

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Speaker 13: Actually what.

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Speaker 3: Last time we Last time I called you, we talked.

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Speaker 9: About the kigging classification and the abstract from abstraction.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I know if you want me to or

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we can move on to today's topic.

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Speaker 13: You talking about whatever you want?

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Speaker 3: Bro?

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Speaker 14: All right?

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Speaker 9: So remember a guy who told you last time and

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he said he had a problem with Paul, but he

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never told you.

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Speaker 3: What the problem with Paul was.

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Speaker 19: He was about the Jewish guy.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, he's remember that.

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Speaker 8: Remember that.

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Speaker 9: Did you come across the book The Jewish Versus Rome

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by Berry Strauss?

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Speaker 3: He's a Jewish writer?

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Speaker 13: Is that the one that BB referenced? I don't know,

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I'm not sure what No, BB not yahre dude.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I know, I don't know what he's doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm not following him.

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Speaker 13: So no, it went viral because he said that he's

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been reading that book because he doesn't want to lose

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against Rome this time, because last time in seventy eighty

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they lost against Rome. So that's that's the book that

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that Yeah, he's talking.

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Speaker 9: About interesting well that book in it yeah, yeah, that's

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it's about room.

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Speaker 28: But there is they kind of talk about the problem.

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Of course, you you're familiar with destroyer, right, the temple.

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Speaker 3: Get destroyed and now you have it anydings. But what's

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interesting is that in.

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Speaker 28: That book they're talking about how Paul the apostle, they

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are all like, they consider themselves Jews, right, they were

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in synagogue. Some Jews accepted Christ, some did not, thought

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of him as a prophet. But the problem with Paul

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is that problem is that Paul was the major one

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who opened it up to gentiles.

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Speaker 19: I mean you know this, Yeah, I'm aarable, what about it.

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Speaker 28: So that's why in that book, that's this is where

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they go that he shattered the idea of you know,

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Judaism in Christianity because he opened up to gentiles.

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Speaker 13: Shah, yeah, yeah, the language is gragging me up, man,

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it's just funny.

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Speaker 19: Go ahead, Yeah, no, Paul shattered that.

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Speaker 13: I got it. Yeah, Paul was chosen to be I mean,

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Peter originally is the first to speak to the gentiles

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and Act ten when he talks to Cornelius. But then Paul,

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because of his experience, is also probably evidentially used in

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his missionary journeys to really spread, uh, you know, the

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Church to the gentiles.

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Speaker 28: So yeah, that's the problem. It's no longer ethnic. That's

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that's their problem is because.

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Speaker 1: Even you know, something happens also when you know more,

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when Peter something it used to eat and then correct him.

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Speaker 9: I don't know the story, so.

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Speaker 29: Of course I think it's interesting, right, and then Peter

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so and according to some Jewish people, they believe that

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all the Jewish mysticism and this became more like the

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Orthodox the longs to right.

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Speaker 14: So in a way it's funny that is more.

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Speaker 29: It's more Jewish.

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Speaker 3: Than today's Judaism. But you know, but most people, Yeah,

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that's why we always appreciate that.

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Speaker 13: That's why we always promote the documentary of the Right

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Christian Works with the Old Customer, because it shows the

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real Hebrew religion is not Rabbinic but babbling in tell

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what Judaism. The real Hebrew religion is what we have

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an Orthodox Church exactly nailed it. And this comes from

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full fruition. By the way, by the time of the

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Seventh Council, when there's a dispute between the Hellenists and

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the Orthodox over Hesnochasm Parer of the Heart icons and Neoplatonism.

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This eventually leads to the shutting down the Platonic Academy

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by Saint Justinian in the Byzantine Empire, in the Roman

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Eastern Roman Empire, precisely because the Church shows Jerusalem over Athens,

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and that was the thesis of our talk.

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Speaker 19: What do you mean, is the audio aboud?

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Speaker 13: Not this crap again?

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Speaker 19: Is that better? Hopefully that fixes it. We thought this

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was fixed.

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Speaker 13: You know, it's weird because there was no there were

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no audio issues for the last several weeks, and then

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suddenly it just pops back up. Is it bout? Yes?

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Speaker 19: Thank you. I know that it's hard to listen when

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the audio is bad.

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Speaker 13: Thank you for that very perceptive, insightful comment that the

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audio being bad degrades the quality of the live stream.

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Thank you so much for that comment, because otherwise I

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would think that worse quality audio would actually make it

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more appealing. But thank you to that Rando for that comment,

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which is very insightful, very insightful. I wonder if I

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should up the quality? What if I up the quality

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of everything, then would the whole thing be better?

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Speaker 19: Perhaps? Do you guys think? What do you guys think?

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Rowdy Rhodesian?

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Speaker 13: What's up? By the way, Silk, that's the song I

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was trying to think of, Freaky baby, Let me like you,

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let me TikTok like you up and down. Remember how

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dirty nineties R and B was. It was gross, dude.

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The whole thing is just like, let me lick you

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up and down. But we're not being dirty. We're talking

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about evolution. We're talking about tiktolic All you perverts in

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the audience, Rowdy, what's up?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 30: Hello, Jake?

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Speaker 14: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 3: Sir?

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Speaker 8: I'm calling in because I wanted to ask if you'd

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been if you were aware of a.

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Speaker 31: Book called Against the Machine by Paul kings North.

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Speaker 3: My wife and I have been reading it recently and when.

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Speaker 12: We really didn't enjoy it.

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Speaker 3: I want to know if you had any.

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Speaker 8: Thoughts on it.

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Speaker 3: It's by an orthodox lay person. It's kind of about

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the sort of.

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Speaker 32: Bureaucratic overtaking of organic human civilization by these men mechanisms

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of institutional control, that the author kind of describes.

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Speaker 3: Monolithically as the machine.

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Speaker 8: He goes into it more succinctally that I can describe

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it here to you.

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Speaker 13: Okay, I'll definitely check it out. Tell me when we're

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telling what it's called.

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Speaker 9: It's called against the Machine on the Unmaking of Humanity.

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Speaker 13: Welcome, Welcome my son, Welcome my son to the machine.

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Speaker 20: Fuck my son, dude, machine.

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Speaker 19: Man.

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Speaker 13: Talk about cocked boomers, Dude, All of the except for

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Roger Waters, like the entirety of Pink Floyd, are like

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the worst boomers man. Ugh, every establishment thing you could

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think of, like David Gilmour had like he had the

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black square, he had the Ukraine flag. He was like

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masked up. So what does that tell you for your

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counterculture boomer establishment mouthpieces of sorrow one?

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Speaker 19: Daniel, what's up?

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Speaker 16: Hey, Jake?

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Speaker 13: Hey?

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Speaker 14: Hey?

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Speaker 33: Uh So kind of off topic, but I wanted to

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get your opinion on this. I've been scrolling through YouTube.

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I'm going through Catechism right now at a Greek Orthodox church.

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I want to thank you for turning me on to

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Orthodoxy now going through YouTube, and I came across this

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channel called ben Born Again. I don't know if you've

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ever heard of that, but it's saying something along the

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line of Hebrew and I heard you speaking about this, Uh,

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maybe a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 13: The name Yahweh Hebrew Cabala name game.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, what was that?

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Speaker 3: So the the claim here is that.

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Speaker 33: You know, uh, Yahweh is not the actual name of God,

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and what we should be calling him is the Father,

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which is what Christ.

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Speaker 3: Said, and that the name only came came about after

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Christ and was found in the Kabbala, the Tetragrammaton or

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something like that.

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Speaker 13: It's an exodus, It's what do you mean it's in Exodus?

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Speaker 33: Well, I mean they're claiming that the said Tuigen never

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never recorded that, or that it's a mistranslation, is what

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his claim is.

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Speaker 13: Okay, why would you listen to some rando retard Protestant

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on that.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm just I'm just getting your opinion on that.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, if it's done, I don't know why

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why would we think that it's a mistranslation.

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Speaker 33: Well, his claim, his claim is that it wasn't found

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until until much later in the k and then in

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the Tetragrammaton, and then I.

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Speaker 13: Mean the word, the word Yahweh, the word Yahweh is

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the basis for the name Yahoodi, which is what a

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Jew is, and that's dozens and dozens of times in

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the Old Testament, so that that's completely stupid just by

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the name of Jew.

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Speaker 14: Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 19: Yeah. So let's be clear for the slow boys in

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the audience, Protestants and idiots like to come up with

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these just outlandish, nonsensical theories because they think that, I

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don't know, they're in pre list, that's what it is.

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So the idea that the.

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Speaker 13: Tetragrammats on Urhahwah is not a name of God is

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dumb because the word itself is the basis for everyone

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who is of the tribe of yu Huda who becomes

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a Yuhudite. This is such a I mean, it's unreal

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how dumb people are. Like you could literally solve like

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millions of heresies by just looking up some of the

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basic grammar. For example, there's tons of people that think

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that the word Jew is not in the Bible. It's

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a made up term, especially these neopagan idiots. Right, it's

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literally throughout the Old Testament. Just look at the word

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Yahoodi a Yahudite. So originally it's a person who's of

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the tribe of Judah Yahuda, Do you think the tribe

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of Judah isn't the Old Testament, dummies?

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Speaker 19: Okay, where does the term come from? Comes from your

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hot yahweh?

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Speaker 13: Okay. Then the term for the tribe of Judah becomes

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eventually the term for all of Israel, not just one tribe.

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They're all just called you hoodites. It's that simple, Okay.

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I don't know how people get so confused with all

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this just nonsense of all these idiot cultists out there

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making of their own religions.

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Speaker 19: Warrior, what's up?

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Speaker 14: Hey, what's up?

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Speaker 26: Uh?

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Speaker 8: You care to have like a discussion or debate on

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the tiktolic and evolution topic?

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Speaker 19: Sure?

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Speaker 13: Okay.

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Speaker 8: So when I was in college, I took some graduate

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level biology courses and oh no, I talked to the

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guy who discovered tiktolic, and so the the thing I

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wanted to talk about was just like to go through

709
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and see how you sort.

710
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,639
Speaker 3: Of my dress or like with the sort of evidence.

711
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 13: Okay. What I think is that tiktolic is a bunch

712
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,880
of different bones just crafted together, so like at the

713
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,920
bottom of a river or a lake or a pond

714
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:41,199
or whatever. You can probably find like all kinds of bones,

715
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,480
and then I could get creative and just craft them

716
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:45,719
into you know, my own pokemon.

717
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 9: Yeah.

718
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 8: Uh, well, well how they actually how they do it,

719
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:52,960
and you know, you can respond and let me know

720
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,360
what you think. But how they do it is they

721
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,559
will look for the different stratographic layers of the rocks,

722
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,840
so you can tell like the rock layer at least different.

723
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know that there's fossils by the way that

724
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,440
extend between those layers, which refuse that whole narrative.

725
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 8: I'm just gonna finish the spiel first, but I just

726
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:15,639
mean that there's stratigraphic layers and they date them to

727
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,679
certain eras, and you can disagree with the dating and

728
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,360
so on, but that's how they like look for them

729
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,880
and say they looked and they found, you know, at

730
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,679
this layer, we have what look like fossils that have

731
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,280
you know, feet or wrists. And then they said before

732
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,239
that there's none, and then they look for them, you know,

733
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,239
obviously the middle layer, and they go and they look

734
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,119
for the fish there or the you know, the the

735
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:39,000
wristed fish, and that's what they did. They go to

736
00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:41,639
someplace in Alaska and find it and so you're saying,

737
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,800
is your argument basically that when they find these fossils,

738
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,960
they're just completely manufacturing.

739
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:48,599
Speaker 3: Them, I like how to pool cloth.

740
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 13: No, I think they're finding things and they read their

741
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,199
presuppositions about the dating into what they find. So they

742
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,239
assume that, well, this is found in this layer and

743
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,039
that must have been eleven million years ago. This is

744
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:00,719
found in this layer that must have been fifty million

745
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,760
years ago. So that's the assumptions that are baked into it.

746
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,880
And all you need is a few examples of fossils

747
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,719
that extend between those layers from one era that refutes

748
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,920
the whole narrative. And if you read justis creation early

749
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,239
man he mentions many of those other people have mentioned

750
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,800
these two. This is kind of a well known rebuttal.

751
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:23,400
It's very similar to the arguments like about the fly

752
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:26,000
geyser as well. Right, the assumption is that, well, the

753
00:56:26,039 --> 00:56:29,440
fly geyser had to it took eleven million years for

754
00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:31,199
that to form. That's the only way that could so

755
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,400
that proves evolution. But it turns out everybody knows that

756
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:37,880
the fly guys are formed within the last sixty years. Sure,

757
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:41,639
do you know what the fly geyser is I've seen.

758
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,079
Speaker 8: I saw video that you posted about a guyser.

759
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 19: Yes, it's at Burning Man.

760
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 13: So if you go to Bernie Man, it's right next

761
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,760
to where the fly geyser is, which according to the

762
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,519
normal narrative, should have taken millions of years, but it

763
00:56:56,599 --> 00:56:57,719
did it within sixty years.

764
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 8: And then again, how do you address things like radiometric

765
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:03,920
dating the various kinds.

766
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 13: I don't address it because my critique of all the

767
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,320
evolutionary stuff is from the domain of philosophy. So the

768
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,880
dating methods are all baked into with the presuppositions of

769
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,519
millions and billions of years. So for example, it's the

770
00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:22,079
same with like the light that comes to us from

771
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:23,360
the far distant galaxies.

772
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 19: Right, the assumption is.

773
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 13: That those.

774
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 19: That that light always that it began from some.

775
00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 13: Very far distance, and the assumption about the measurements assumes

776
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:44,920
that that far distance requires that the universe be billions

777
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,760
of years old. But the problem is that first of all,

778
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,400
we don't actually know that the light wasn't always create,

779
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:55,920
that it wasn't created with the light basically immediately hitting us.

780
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,159
Does that make sense what I'm saying, Like, that's like

781
00:57:58,239 --> 00:57:59,480
the institute.

782
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:04,119
Speaker 8: Light hypothesis or whatever, it's created. I've heard that referred

783
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:06,440
to as in situlite, where it's like created in place.

784
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,559
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's it. I didn't know the term. You're right,

785
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:09,000
that's right.

786
00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 8: I had another thing I was going to ask, can't remember,

787
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:18,360
So that's just through general. Oh, I was going to ask, like,

788
00:58:18,519 --> 00:58:21,719
when we are looking at something like a presuppositional like

789
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,920
apologetic world view in general, does that put us into

790
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,519
a bit of a ghetto with respect to the evidences? Like,

791
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:31,920
because then if any evidence comes up with you know,

792
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:34,760
I mean I assume. What am I trying to say?

793
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:39,119
It's kind of you're assuming these presuppositions. But if some

794
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,360
part of that breaks, like if the system breaks in

795
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,239
some way, like if they discover life on other planets

796
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:45,880
or something, doesn't that put you into a bit of

797
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,239
a ghetto Or isn't that a bit.

798
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:47,719
Speaker 3: Of a problem?

799
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:48,599
Speaker 13: What do you think about that?

800
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:52,199
Speaker 19: Like, first of all, no, I don't.

801
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 13: I don't believe that it would ever be the case

802
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,400
that life would be discovered on another planet. I mean

803
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,000
I'd be like saying, well, what happens if the Christian

804
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:02,119
world is refuted? What would you do? It's basically asking

805
00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:04,599
that same type of questions. So, I mean, you can

806
00:59:04,679 --> 00:59:08,800
pose those questions hypothetically, but it's a question of the

807
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,480
nature of evidences and what exactly they show. So I

808
00:59:11,519 --> 00:59:15,480
think the strength of presuppositionalism is not to reject evidences.

809
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:19,360
It's to reject evidentialism and most of the modern evolutionary

810
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,559
stuff that you're talking about in terms of the grand narratives.

811
00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:25,519
I'm not talking about adaptation and natural selection. I think

812
00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:27,840
those things are true, but that's not the same thing

813
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:33,159
as the gigantic AONs assumption about well, that's how we

814
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,800
know that what happened a billion years ago, one hundred

815
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,960
million years ago, etc. That's the huge lead that is

816
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:43,599
not justified by empirical evidence. That's why paradigms are prior

817
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:48,079
to evidences. Evidences are always interpreted through the presubpositions of

818
00:59:48,159 --> 00:59:51,079
some paradigm. So if I have the presubposition of billions

819
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:54,119
of years, that's going to actually, like rose colored glasses,

820
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,679
that's gonna I'm going to read everything through the frames

821
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,960
through the lenses of billions of years and massive amounts

822
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,360
of time. So anything I see is already pre interpreted

823
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,440
as well. That rock layer that you know geological structure

824
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:10,880
that took billions of years millions of years to form,

825
01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:13,639
because well, we know that to be the case because

826
01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:15,800
of this, this, this, this, this. But the problem is

827
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,599
that what if the presuppositions for that paradigm of long

828
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:24,599
spans of time are false? And the way that I

829
01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:27,400
could show that is to say, we'll look at the

830
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,960
the limitations of empirical evidence. Empirical evidence doesn't tell you

831
01:00:33,159 --> 01:00:36,039
what happened a million years ago, a billion years ago,

832
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,880
or even a thousand years ago. You have to kind

833
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,440
of construct it based on very limited pieces of data,

834
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:47,320
and the problem with what you're hitting on. In philosophy,

835
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,639
the term is called the underdetermination of data thesis. So

836
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:55,400
basically you can do it's called the underdetermination of data thesis.

837
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,079
So basically you can have two different models. You could have,

838
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:03,760
say a evolution model, say an atheistic evolutionary model, and

839
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,360
a creationist model. You can have pieces of data within

840
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,519
the model or within the paradigm that both paradigms can explain.

841
01:01:12,159 --> 01:01:17,480
So in other words, data itself cannot tell you which

842
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:22,239
paradigm or model is correct. Hence under determination of data thesis.

843
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,280
So in other words, we have to look at the

844
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:28,239
paradigms themselves to see which paradigms are coherent and make

845
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,320
evidences even possible before just stacking up a bunch of

846
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,719
data to see like, okay, well, who has more data

847
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,119
and more research papers and peer review on their side.

848
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,719
The reason that isn't going to matter is not because

849
01:01:41,079 --> 01:01:44,840
necessarily peer review is false, although most pere review nowadays

850
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:49,039
is admitted to be about fifty percent fraudulent or tampered

851
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:51,280
with from the top of the establishment, from the lands

852
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,880
and down. It's not that pure of view itself couldn't work.

853
01:01:55,119 --> 01:02:03,320
It's that the data is sting on a foundation of

854
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:07,639
a paradigm that determines how to interpret the data. So

855
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:10,760
it's very similar to like when Protestants say stuff like, well,

856
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,559
the text just means what it says, and it says

857
01:02:12,639 --> 01:02:15,360
what it means, and we respond by the sustained to

858
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,159
the Protestant. Now that the data is theory laden, there's

859
01:02:18,199 --> 01:02:21,079
no such thing as brute facts. And again, all of

860
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:26,840
the modern evidentialist scientism worldview, it's all evidentialist. None of

861
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,199
them have the view that we have about about paradigms

862
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,440
or what I have right. So the paradigms mean that

863
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:37,239
data If I'm right, then data is theory laden. If

864
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,119
they're right, data is self interpreting brute factuality, and that's

865
01:02:41,239 --> 01:02:43,920
the that's the root of the philosophical issue.

866
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:50,719
Speaker 8: Okay, so when did they first assume that the world

867
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,320
was dissold? When did this paradigm like take hold? I'd

868
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:54,599
like to, you know, look it up, but I don't

869
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:54,840
really know.

870
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 13: Exactly how that happened. Yeah. Actually, I would argue probably

871
01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:03,880
ancient Hindu text is the first time aware of Okay,

872
01:03:05,199 --> 01:03:08,920
and uh, it's it's I think it's Erasmus Darwin. He

873
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:12,400
was actually studying Hindu techt believe or not when he

874
01:03:12,519 --> 01:03:14,159
started like, yeah, it's either him or T. A.

875
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:14,559
Speaker 19: Tuxley.

876
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:18,119
Speaker 13: One of the two was really influenced by these Hindu texts,

877
01:03:18,639 --> 01:03:21,400
and that helped influence Some have argued, I think there's

878
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,639
a convincing case for this, that the Collins brothers have

879
01:03:23,719 --> 01:03:27,880
this in their book that influenced h. Darwin when he

880
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,199
came up with this these vast amounts of time. But

881
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,000
it is literally the ancient Hindu worldview, So there's nothing

882
01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:34,880
actually new about it.

883
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 8: Let's make that argument today that it does seem that way.

884
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 19: Yeah.

885
01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:41,119
Speaker 8: Yeah, the only thing I'm trying to do is piece

886
01:03:41,159 --> 01:03:45,320
together of the specific evidences. And it seems like sometimes

887
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,599
both sides will use sort of just as stories to

888
01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:51,960
you know, explain some gap or some seeming because it

889
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,559
seems like sometimes the creationist worldview is a bit like

890
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:58,599
had Tolmic, you know, astronomy system, where you can add

891
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:04,119
these increasingly complain like principles to make your system work

892
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:06,840
when there's some more, potentially more elegant solution.

893
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:09,719
Speaker 13: Well, first of all, that's a fallacy, So we don't

894
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,840
how do we know that the quote more elegant one

895
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,280
is the one that's more true. There's nothing that tells

896
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,880
you necessarily that a more elegant one or even a

897
01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:20,800
simpler one is necessarily true.

898
01:04:21,519 --> 01:04:25,119
Speaker 8: Truth, beauty, and goodness go together, So elegance is like

899
01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:26,079
a form of beauty.

900
01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 13: And I would assume that that's the okay, but that's

901
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,840
all metaphysics, and no person who's in the domain of

902
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,519
scientism is going to care about your metaphysical assumptions.

903
01:04:33,639 --> 01:04:34,239
Speaker 14: That's fair enough.

904
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:40,039
Speaker 8: But so you're saying it's just not an issue to

905
01:04:40,159 --> 01:04:43,039
keep adding like principles to make the system.

906
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 13: Work, I don't know what I mean.

907
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,599
Speaker 19: That's what that's what that's what everyone does. That's what

908
01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:46,960
they do.

909
01:04:47,199 --> 01:04:50,639
Speaker 13: I would argue they do it way more, way more so.

910
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,039
I mean, look at punctuated equilibrium that was added to

911
01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:54,960
make that thing work.

912
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's lots of like the Cambrian explosion and the

913
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:03,440
evolution of proteins, I mean personally mathematically impossible. And that's

914
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:07,199
where you get the Hinduism, because then any probability is

915
01:05:07,519 --> 01:05:11,679
able to sort of repitulate the whole Hindu Like if

916
01:05:11,719 --> 01:05:13,639
you have some probability of life forming, and then they'll

917
01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:15,280
just take that and they'll just say, well, the universe

918
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,039
is infinites we have infinite amount of time and just

919
01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:20,920
keep recycling. And that's obviously a Hindus exactly.

920
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 19: Yeah, that totally is.

921
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,199
Speaker 13: By the way, how do that's also a metaphysical assumption

922
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:25,760
that they would have no way to justify. How do

923
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,760
you know the universe is infinite? Yeah, the prema materia.

924
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:28,519
Yeah yeah, yeah.

925
01:05:29,199 --> 01:05:31,199
Speaker 8: Uh that's kind of where I'm That's sort of where

926
01:05:31,239 --> 01:05:31,519
I'm at.

927
01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 3: That's the things I'm thinking about.

928
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,559
Speaker 13: Okay, now, these are great questions. I appreciate you calling

929
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:37,360
in where those those are really great questions, and in

930
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,920
fact that actually I forgot I was going to reply to.

931
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:45,119
People pointed out, oh, professor Dave refuted you. I'm like,

932
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:58,880
I'll bet you he didn't. I know. I think you

933
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,639
played a clip of me and Jim Bob. Let's see

934
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:03,079
if we can find it. Look at his face, that's

935
01:06:03,079 --> 01:06:07,039
like the most smug atheist face. Oh but oh look

936
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:15,559
he's got a chemical formula and equations all over his page.

937
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:16,039
It must be.

938
01:06:19,119 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 19: It must be pretty sciencey.

939
01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:26,119
Speaker 16: Let's see, welcome to Professor Davis.

940
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:39,519
Speaker 13: This is like the peak era of smug atheist YouTube scientist.

941
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,519
Where's the video responding to me and Jim Bob. Let's see.

942
01:06:48,119 --> 01:06:49,079
Speaker 19: I think it's this one.

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Speaker 13: Hey everyone, Okay, let's see if you let's see, I

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don't know who.

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Speaker 19: That dude is.

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Speaker 13: Let's see. So here's the strength of my argument and

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the reason that I always beat these types of people,

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these scientism goblins. And I think everybody in the sudience

949
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already knows why. It's because, first of all, I went

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to college with these guys. I studied under these dudes,

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So my philosophy of science. Professor was one of these guys.

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He was like a hardcore, you know, atheist scientism guy.

953
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He was actually a pretty good philosophy professor as a

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professor though, to be fair, and that class was great

955
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because even though he was a rabid scientism proponent, he

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actually encouraged everybody to understand philosophy of science and people

957
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like I've never watched Professor Day, but I'm assuming that

958
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he would not care about philosophy science because usually scientism

959
01:07:56,679 --> 01:08:01,440
physics type people, Neil de grass Tyson, they don't care

960
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about philosophy. They actually discourage people from looking into or

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studying it, precisely because philosophy asks the questions that are

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difficult for them. They don't know how to answer or

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how to grapple with those things. Because philosophy is, as

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our friend who called in a minutego pointed out, it's

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a more abstracted discipline historically, and it's more.

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Speaker 19: Difficult for these guys to deal with. You would think

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that since they have an interest in mathematics, that they

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would be able to do more abstract thinking, but they can't.

969
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It's really weird, and so there's something that shuts off.

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Speaker 13: In a lot of these people's minds, I think, to

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where they're unable to conceptualize perhaps the domain of metaphysics

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or the domain of even epistemology.

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Speaker 19: They're a little more able to.

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Speaker 13: Find maybe ethics accessible, just like normies find ethics a

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little more accessible because everybody you know, deals with right

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and wrong.

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Speaker 19: That's not fair, you shouldn't have done that. Right is

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a type stuff.

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Speaker 13: But when he gets into the domain of metaphysics the

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good or how do we justify a knowledge claim, these

981
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people are absolutely out to lunch. They completely fail. And

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we saw this, for example, all the way back to

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01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:21,119
my debate with JF. Remember the original Second Atheist debate

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that we had done.

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Speaker 19: Jeff assumed that because.

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Speaker 13: He was a had a degree in neurosurgery or I

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forget what his degree was, right, that he would be

988
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able to do everything. So they had this sort of

989
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like overestimation of competence in every field because they mastered

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one field. That's very common in academia. And so when

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JF actually came to a debate that was asking pretty

992
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basic philosophical questions, he completely flounders. He fails. And I

993
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:58,680
would bet money that Professor Dave doesn't know basic fallacies,

994
01:09:59,239 --> 01:10:04,439
doesn't know basic epistemic argumentation and the principles of justification either.

995
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And that's I can say that because I've dealt with

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these types so many times and for so many years,

997
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all the way back to nineteen ninety nine two thousand

998
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was when I first started dealing with these types of

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professors that it's really, it's really the best route.

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Speaker 19: Because you can't escape logic.

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Speaker 13: And epistemic questions reasoning. And it's funny because these people

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think that they have cornered the market on logic and reasoning.

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But when you start to ask one level of abstracted

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questions like what is logic, what is reason? Where is it?

1005
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:54,960
How is it? These people are done. Let's see what

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he says in regard to an old interview that I

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did with the Jimbob Jay.

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Speaker 16: Dyer with cartoonists. Maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, I think I've heard that name before, but I

1010
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don't know who that is, all right, so we're gonna, yeah,

1011
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let's watch this one.

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Speaker 13: Damn it. Yeah, Darwinism.

1013
01:11:15,079 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 34: Uh you know, he could have been right about you know,

1014
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,760
some a beak getting bigger, but I've looked into more

1015
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of that, and all that shit is going going down.

1016
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It is fast because they still haven't accounted for the

1017
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fact that there's there's digital information embedded in us.

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Speaker 27: And uh, all, No, it's not digital information. It's just

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01:11:38,039 --> 01:11:40,760
a sequence of of of nuclear basis, that's it.

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Speaker 13: Uh Oh, how does Professor Dave know that the information

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encoded in US is just a sequence of whatever? How

1022
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,119
does he know that it's not actually meaningful information? So

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I think he doesn't understand that the sort of smug

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snickering dismissing actual meaningful information or tilos purpose even in terms.

1025
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I think Jimbob was talking about DNA. That was an

1026
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:06,560
interview we did maybe five or six years ago, But

1027
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:10,520
I think Jimbob was talking about DNA. But to snicker

1028
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,800
and sort of dismiss this with this is sort of well,

1029
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,399
we all know that it's meaningless information.

1030
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Speaker 16: Yeah. I love the like desperation with which these delusional

1031
01:12:23,239 --> 01:12:27,239
assets are, Like they're always going like, oh, Darwinism.

1032
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,319
Speaker 13: Is going yeah, but you just did that, Like you

1033
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,520
just delusionally snickered and did the very same thing that

1034
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you're saying that we do down.

1035
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 16: Oh my gosh, it's crashing and burning. Evolutionary biology is imploding.

1036
01:12:41,119 --> 01:12:42,039
It's in crisis.

1037
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,079
Speaker 13: We weren't even talking about f bio. We were talking

1038
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about the grand narrative of the origins of life. So

1039
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I doubt he's going to be very charitable.

1040
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Speaker 16: Science is in christ, No, you're just moron's.

1041
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,039
Speaker 19: I'm sorry, Well that's interesting.

1042
01:12:56,279 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 13: So did he actually reply to anything other than just

1043
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,640
saying that DNA is meaningless? That's all he said and

1044
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:07,760
called us moron. So this is the standard scientism smug

1045
01:13:08,399 --> 01:13:10,399
atheism that's out there. And you'll notice look at his

1046
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:14,800
smug face, and he's like just trying to outsmug what

1047
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:18,760
he thinks we are right. So all of their arguments

1048
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:23,000
are actually confidence games. And I say that because argumentation

1049
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,880
is about philosophy, it's not about peer review studies and

1050
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,479
who has more evidence is And I can pile up

1051
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:34,199
fifty five peer reviewed studies for my point. That's what

1052
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:38,039
normies think is intelligence. That's what dumb dum's that's what

1053
01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:42,399
the ladies on whatever podcast like not So Aerudite think

1054
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,600
is smart? Right, piling up peer review papers that you

1055
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:47,119
get from chat GBT. Right.

1056
01:13:48,039 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 34: Information I forgot the quote is something like information habitually

1057
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:59,319
is related to a conscious mind. Like there's no point

1058
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:04,560
in all of existence so far where information wasn't created

1059
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:05,640
by a mind?

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01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:06,119
Speaker 19: Correct?

1061
01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:09,279
Speaker 27: Yeah, yeah, except for all of the times when yes,

1062
01:14:09,359 --> 01:14:12,319
it fucking was because what you're referring to as information

1063
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,479
is just a sequence of basis.

1064
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 16: That's it. You have monomers that polymerize and that's it.

1065
01:14:19,039 --> 01:14:19,960
That's all there is to it.

1066
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:24,239
Speaker 13: This so it just is what it is.

1067
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 19: That's not even a response.

1068
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 13: This is so low tier. I actually thought this guy

1069
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,560
might bring a little bit of response, a little bit

1070
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,560
of attempting to deal with what the actual argument is.

1071
01:14:34,039 --> 01:14:37,039
What the argument is comes from information science, right. It's

1072
01:14:37,039 --> 01:14:39,319
an argument that doctor Jason Leyle talks about with the

1073
01:14:39,399 --> 01:14:44,239
fact that anytime there's information that is meaningful information, it

1074
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,680
comes from a mind, at least as far as we

1075
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,960
know now. That's in the domain of information science and

1076
01:14:50,079 --> 01:14:53,960
computer science. And so Jim Bob is extrapolating from that,

1077
01:14:54,119 --> 01:14:57,319
which is an argument that I made for a long

1078
01:14:57,399 --> 01:14:59,359
time because it was in some of the Jason Lewle

1079
01:14:59,359 --> 01:15:03,960
Presuppositions augmentation books and lectures. Jim Bob is just kind

1080
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,119
of repeating what we talked about for a long time,

1081
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,199
and this guy is saying, no, it's just it is.

1082
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 3: What it is.

1083
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:13,279
Speaker 13: Oh really, so let's prese up doctor Dave here, Because

1084
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:19,600
if information isn't meaningful, it's just what it is, then

1085
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:24,760
doctor Dave's arguments aren't meaningful, and his words on his

1086
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:29,079
live stream are not meaningful and have no purpose or tellos,

1087
01:15:30,279 --> 01:15:34,359
So therefore his whole response is meaningless.

1088
01:15:35,359 --> 01:15:36,079
Speaker 19: On his own grounds.

1089
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 16: Fession with information and a code that comes from the

1090
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,800
mind of the blah blah blah, it's just a complete

1091
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,159
fucking non starter.

1092
01:15:44,279 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 13: It's okay, So no arguments, just saying that to believe

1093
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,239
that information is meaningful or comes from a mind is

1094
01:15:50,319 --> 01:15:51,199
a fucking non starter.

1095
01:15:51,319 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 19: That's all he said.

1096
01:15:53,159 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 13: Is this guy, This guy's like the pinnacle four million

1097
01:15:57,039 --> 01:16:00,399
subscribers of YouTube atheism these days.

1098
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:06,039
Speaker 16: Just a desperate uh mischaracterization of molecular biology, right.

1099
01:16:06,399 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 13: Yeah, But the argument isn't about molecular biology. It's about

1100
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:14,640
information science, and he's extrapolating that to all of life.

1101
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:21,279
It's a universal metaphysical argument about tellos and purpose and

1102
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meaningful information.

1103
01:16:23,239 --> 01:16:26,239
Speaker 19: It's not Jimbob primarily trying to argue about biology.

1104
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,359
Speaker 16: You don't know what molecular biology is.

1105
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 20: You don't know what anything is. Well, you don't know.

1106
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 27: Therefore, it is a code from a human mind, you.

1107
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 10: Know, Oh, professor, does the code come from the computer?

1108
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:45,359
Speaker 34: Oh?

1109
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:47,399
Speaker 20: It is the code of the computer meaningful?

1110
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:52,279
Speaker 16: Is it meaningful like you know, an intelligent mind? Yeah,

1111
01:16:52,399 --> 01:16:53,640
I don't know. Let's see how they fumble it.

1112
01:16:54,319 --> 01:16:57,319
Speaker 13: So you notice how he's not responded with any argument.

1113
01:16:57,399 --> 01:17:02,079
He's just said that we're retarded and just smug snickering.

1114
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,439
I bet you, Professor Day wouldn't last two minutes in

1115
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:05,800
a debate.

1116
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:10,520
Speaker 34: So it's just something that the you know, and someone

1117
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,840
will be like a Darwinist would be like, you know,

1118
01:17:13,279 --> 01:17:14,920
no if you have enough time, and it's like, no,

1119
01:17:15,039 --> 01:17:17,840
you haven't done the math. You guys didn't give enough time.

1120
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:20,920
You know, fourteen billion years, it's not enough time.

1121
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:23,279
Speaker 16: Do you know a long how many do you?

1122
01:17:23,359 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 13: How many?

1123
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,560
Speaker 34: What are the odds of even one hundred and fifty

1124
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,520
amino acids lining up perfectly and make a protein and

1125
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:30,960
have it?

1126
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,119
Speaker 16: What are the odds, dumbass? Go ahead and do the

1127
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:37,199
math for us one hundred and fifty amino acids lining

1128
01:17:37,319 --> 01:17:41,119
up perfectly? What do you mean lining up perfectly? They polymerize,

1129
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:45,279
They spontaneously polymerize. You'd get one hundred and fifty of

1130
01:17:45,319 --> 01:17:47,359
them in a row. There you go, You got one

1131
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:48,119
hundred and fifty.

1132
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 13: Of them in a row.

1133
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 10: Oh, everything just happens.

1134
01:17:52,399 --> 01:17:54,520
Speaker 13: Everything happens. It just is.

1135
01:17:56,079 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 20: You know what'sided?

1136
01:17:57,399 --> 01:17:58,039
Speaker 31: It just is.

1137
01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:02,520
Speaker 19: Epic skeptic. Uh oh, epic skeptic is.

1138
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:06,359
Speaker 13: In the chat you just got owned door, We got

1139
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:10,039
owned by by somebody, just saying it just.

1140
01:18:10,279 --> 01:18:14,560
Speaker 20: Is like these things just happen. They just get together

1141
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:16,520
and it's just that's what it is.

1142
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 16: Uh, what are the odds of that happening? What the

1143
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,199
fuck are you talking about? You have no clue what

1144
01:18:23,279 --> 01:18:24,000
you're talking about.

1145
01:18:25,119 --> 01:18:30,239
Speaker 13: So Jim Bob made a passing comment that everything lining

1146
01:18:30,319 --> 01:18:33,560
up to create life seems very implausible. I would argue

1147
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,079
that that's actually impossible, that it's anything to do with chance.

1148
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,720
But he didn't even make an argument. This is twice

1149
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,039
now he's wait. All he said is where retarded?

1150
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 34: And uh nuh huh, that's not even do So they

1151
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,760
still need to inject information to tell it what to do.

1152
01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:52,039
Speaker 13: We don't even know where that. I mean, we know

1153
01:18:52,079 --> 01:18:52,760
where that comes from.

1154
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,520
Speaker 16: What do you mean tell it what to do? You

1155
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,880
have a molecule and it does something.

1156
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 10: But nothing has purpose? Uh my argument, they don't even

1157
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:01,560
have purpose.

1158
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 20: They just do. What's the problem, you stupid?

1159
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,560
Speaker 10: The believers in God?

1160
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:12,199
Speaker 19: They wait Professor Davis a comedian.

1161
01:19:13,319 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 16: Virtue of its structure. Proteins can be.

1162
01:19:16,039 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 20: They just do by virtue of what they are to do.

1163
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Speaker 27: The thing that they do functional by virtue of their structure.

1164
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So you make a fuck ton of them and some

1165
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of them are functional.

1166
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Speaker 16: That's it.

1167
01:19:27,159 --> 01:19:31,359
Speaker 20: Everything just is in the argument. You're retarded.

1168
01:19:32,119 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 13: So if he doesn't give an argument within the next

1169
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,640
few minutes, I'm gonna know that he doesn't have any

1170
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:38,640
actual argument or substantive replies.

1171
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Speaker 34: Right, there's so many problems, and they're shutting down the

1172
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:47,680
people that are revealing these problems.

1173
01:19:47,279 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 16: And they're shutting them down their censorship. You guys, there

1174
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:56,119
are whistleblowers that are exposing the fake Darwinists and they're

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being censored and canceled by the woke left that trans communists.

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They're trying to take away our freedom of speech.

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Speaker 13: As okay, So now he's like trying to make fun

1178
01:20:06,319 --> 01:20:11,399
of MAGA and like he's doing this cringe level, like, oh,

1179
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,479
these people that are conservative thinks that there's a conspiracy

1180
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,079
to censor. All right, I've had enough of this. This

1181
01:20:17,239 --> 01:20:19,640
was like even worse than I thought it was gonna be. John,

1182
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:20,039
what's up?

1183
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,560
Speaker 10: Just believe in the atheist And what's the problem though,

1184
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:31,119
the only.

1185
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 32: Reason you're able to do this live stream is because

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of evolution.

1187
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:38,319
Speaker 10: It's because of meaningless code. There's no meaning in the code.

1188
01:20:41,159 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 29: Telephones, microwaves, TVs that meaningless they do what they do.

1189
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:52,359
Speaker 3: I own evolution, all the cars evolution.

1190
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Speaker 13: Yeah, this is something that Chris pointed out back in

1191
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,880
the day. Back in the day on the podcast with

1192
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,600
You guys, Chris would point out the like he saw

1193
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:05,199
an ad for cat food and it was it was

1194
01:21:05,399 --> 01:21:08,319
branded as evolutionary cat food.

1195
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,039
Speaker 19: That's evolutionarily best for your kiddie.

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01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:16,159
Speaker 14: Yep, that's right. And and David, I mean that's what

1197
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:17,359
they do that you'll hear you.

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Speaker 17: It's been a while I haven't listened to debates like that,

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but even guys Chris debated back then, there was one of.

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Speaker 3: Them who you that argument.

1201
01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 14: They're like, well, you're on a you're on a cell phone,

1202
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:29,159
aren't you.

1203
01:21:29,319 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 3: You have a computer, and that's kind.

1204
01:21:32,279 --> 01:21:35,399
Speaker 13: Of well, yeah, that's evolution. Yeah, exactly, the computer is

1205
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:38,520
evolution because without evolution, you could have got a computer,

1206
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:42,600
and computer's pre evolution, and any counter evidence against that

1207
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:44,760
is also evolution.

1208
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,399
Speaker 14: You know another thing, some some fun stuff like the

1209
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:49,600
guy was asking.

1210
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 3: About earlier, and you gave the burning Man geyser as

1211
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,840
an example. Another one is.

1212
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 32: That they find a World More two poanes undersheets of

1213
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:00,680
ice in Greenland.

1214
01:22:02,119 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 17: Yeah, there's supposed to be layers of millions of years

1215
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:06,239
of ice.

1216
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Speaker 32: But they find World War.

1217
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:09,199
Speaker 3: Two planes underneath them.

1218
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Speaker 15: And then the other one is, uh.

1219
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 32: Is when they found they found an ostri and a

1220
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:24,159
strata of of like something was supposed to be older

1221
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:27,239
than the ostriches allegedly, and they just called it like.

1222
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 3: Some new dinosaur.

1223
01:22:31,319 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 19: That's funny.

1224
01:22:33,039 --> 01:22:35,119
Speaker 14: Yeah, so they just that's what they'll do.

1225
01:22:35,239 --> 01:22:36,079
Speaker 8: It's like anything.

1226
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Speaker 31: And then you know, telling the guy who was on.

1227
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Speaker 32: There earlier is Chris actually found this out by calling

1228
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,640
He would you know there's old calls.

1229
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Speaker 3: From back in the day. Chris used to call universities

1230
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and talk to the clips.

1231
01:22:52,239 --> 01:22:53,560
Speaker 13: Yeah, he would.

1232
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 32: He would troll, you would troll the university professors.

1233
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Speaker 14: And he found out that the way they know that

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something comes.

1235
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Speaker 32: From a particular layer is because you fill out a

1236
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paperwork and.

1237
01:23:09,319 --> 01:23:11,159
Speaker 14: Tell them ahead of time. So it isn't like they

1238
01:23:11,319 --> 01:23:11,720
test it.

1239
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,159
Speaker 3: And you know, we always do this.

1240
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Speaker 32: We do this carbon dating on it and we know

1241
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,920
by the carbon dating that it comes from this time period.

1242
01:23:21,279 --> 01:23:22,560
Speaker 14: It's because if you.

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01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,359
Speaker 32: Find a bone, you say, no, I found it, and

1244
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:29,760
it came from this layer. Therefore it's x million years old.

1245
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,479
And then they then, of course every.

1246
01:23:33,319 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 14: Single time they send you back that it came from

1247
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,159
the millions of years of what you already wrote on

1248
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:41,600
the paper.

1249
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:43,319
Speaker 19: Oh yeah, exactly.

1250
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 13: Well as people in the people in the chat are

1251
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:51,479
pointing out, like computers came out of rocks, right.

1252
01:23:52,119 --> 01:23:57,359
Speaker 32: Oh absolutely, yeah, I mean flintstones, remember the flintstones.

1253
01:23:57,359 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 19: But Dave has a degree in science.

1254
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Speaker 13: I didn't know.

1255
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Speaker 19: I didn't know science was a degree that what's your PhD? Science?

1256
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 13: This is the level of his defenders in the chat.

1257
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:09,760
They think he has a PhD in science. That's not

1258
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,840
a there's no degree in science, you retard, I call

1259
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:13,680
in by the way.

1260
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Speaker 14: Uh And another funny one real quick is yeah.

1261
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Speaker 17: Back back before you debated uh dyla monkey and Andrew

1262
01:24:24,039 --> 01:24:27,159
debated him. Chris was the original guy who debated him

1263
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on a show.

1264
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Speaker 19: Yes remember that he called in. Yeah, and it was

1265
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it was.

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Speaker 3: Particularly on evolution.

1267
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Speaker 29: So people can go dig that up.

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Speaker 19: Just actually, let me see if I can find that.

1269
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 31: It's funny because Chris actually like the way the animals is.

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Speaker 3: He has up because he's an and that's all he does.

1271
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Speaker 13: Actually, most of the atheists just pretty much do that.

1272
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:55,960
I thought Professor David. People are telling me, oh, you

1273
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,560
need to watch Professor Dave because he responds.

1274
01:24:59,359 --> 01:25:01,119
Speaker 19: All he was saying it was like, you guys are retarded.

1275
01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:04,399
Speaker 14: That's all they ever have said.

1276
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:07,319
Speaker 13: Here it is here, do check this out. No, wait,

1277
01:25:07,399 --> 01:25:13,840
that's Chris calling into Alan Watt. Is that real or

1278
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,520
is that a is that a joke clip we did?

1279
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:16,159
I don't remember.

1280
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Speaker 3: No, no, that's a real one. He called an album

1281
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:19,760
lot before.

1282
01:25:21,079 --> 01:25:22,399
Speaker 19: I thought this was on YouTube.

1283
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 13: Oh wait, it'll probably be on this guy's channel, I

1284
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:26,640
bet questioning our reality. Let's see if he has a

1285
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,560
clip of Chris calling. Here's a bunch of CLIs crips

1286
01:25:30,199 --> 01:25:35,279
Chris's clips. Let's see. Okay, here's a bunch of Oh wow,

1287
01:25:35,319 --> 01:25:35,920
there's a whole.

1288
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Speaker 3: Bunch of experience. I found it on Atheists Experience before.

1289
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,319
Speaker 13: Okay, but I got to figure out what it's titled.

1290
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Speaker 12: And I know.

1291
01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:48,159
Speaker 32: If you type in the YouTube Chris from Oklahoma and

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01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:50,439
Atheists Experience, it probably comes up.

1293
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Speaker 13: I know how to find it. Hold on, if I

1294
01:25:52,039 --> 01:25:54,399
go to this guy's channel and I type in, uh,

1295
01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:58,800
Matt or Dylan TI, what wait is an atheist experience?

1296
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:03,600
Is that what Matt thing was called? Yeah? Okay, let's

1297
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:21,520
try that. Kay, Okay, now that's not coming out.

1298
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Speaker 19: What did you say? Type in what.

1299
01:26:25,159 --> 01:26:26,359
Speaker 3: Christ from Oklahoma?

1300
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Speaker 13: Okay, okay, maybe you think it's on eh, his experiences

1301
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channel or Matt Delaney's channel. You've got, Mike, I.

1302
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Speaker 3: Think it's on experience.

1303
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 13: Okay, let's try that. Let's try that. All right, it's

1304
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:17,600
not coming up.

1305
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 19: I know it does exist because I saw it. It

1306
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,239
popped up not too long ago. Oh wait, maybe this

1307
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:26,560
is it.

1308
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:27,520
Speaker 13: This might be it.

1309
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:29,239
Speaker 3: Carl in Oklahoma.

1310
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:33,399
Speaker 13: Oh that's Carlo, Carl.

1311
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 3: I just said Oklahoma's I can I can plant it

1312
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:39,399
and send it to you.

1313
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 19: Yeah, we'll play it later.

1314
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:44,319
Speaker 13: But uh, yeah, it's it's this is I'm I'm enjoying

1315
01:27:44,359 --> 01:27:46,640
this because I haven't really gotten into or thought about

1316
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,079
this whole domain of stuff in a long time. So

1317
01:27:49,159 --> 01:27:51,800
it's it's fun to kind of step back into twenty

1318
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,800
eighteen twenty nineteen, because back then we were covering this

1319
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:57,079
kind of stuff all the time. Roots run deep what's

1320
01:27:57,159 --> 01:28:01,439
up man, Austin Rain says, for ten dollars, do you

1321
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:04,560
ever notice that militant Thomas Christian Wagner looks like Francis

1322
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,960
the bully in Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Let's see, let's

1323
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,600
see if he does a little bit. Yeah, that's kind

1324
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:16,279
of a that's kind of a Wagner vibe there. I

1325
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:21,439
thought up myself, is that militant Tomas looking at me

1326
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:25,319
right there? That's if you mentioned the essence interesstinction to Wagner,

1327
01:28:25,399 --> 01:28:32,119
this is the face you get. What's up, roots, I'm mute, dude.

1328
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:34,920
I'm gonna have to make T shirts. Let's say, I'm

1329
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,079
you dude. I mean this is what Neil Neil said,

1330
01:28:37,119 --> 01:28:39,319
you gotta make on you dude shirts. I was like, okay,

1331
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:43,479
I found it.

1332
01:28:45,279 --> 01:28:46,039
Speaker 19: Do you wanna.

1333
01:28:49,239 --> 01:28:51,199
Speaker 3: Me? I'll text it to you.

1334
01:28:53,079 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 13: Okay, we lost that dude, William, what's up man? Hey,

1335
01:29:00,039 --> 01:29:00,680
what's on your mind?

1336
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:03,399
Speaker 3: Yes? So it's a Q and A right, it's open.

1337
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 13: Sure.

1338
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1339
01:29:05,199 --> 01:29:07,239
Speaker 31: I got booted out last time when it was on

1340
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:12,039
one of your spaces because I mentioned our ace realism.

1341
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,399
Speaker 3: But I wanted to ask a question about Orthodox ecpicts.

1342
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:16,560
Speaker 13: That's okay, sure.

1343
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 35: So I've been debating a couple of Catholic friends about

1344
01:29:21,399 --> 01:29:24,319
our ace and how you effect.

1345
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,279
Speaker 13: We're on YouTube, man, I can't that's the topic that

1346
01:29:26,399 --> 01:29:28,600
you can't cover on YouTube. So why would you come

1347
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:30,560
back to try to debate that when that's what I

1348
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:31,319
said last time?

1349
01:29:31,399 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 33: It's just.

1350
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:34,159
Speaker 19: Brandon, what's up?

1351
01:29:34,199 --> 01:29:34,359
Speaker 3: Dude?

1352
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,600
Speaker 13: So YouTube is, uh, you know, pretty freed up in

1353
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:47,680
terms of what you can and can't talk about nowadays,

1354
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:50,880
except there's a couple of things that they just want

1355
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:54,960
to hellow. So Brandon, when you want to umute, what's up?

1356
01:29:55,039 --> 01:29:55,159
Speaker 3: Man?

1357
01:29:58,880 --> 01:29:59,600
Speaker 14: Good afternoon?

1358
01:30:01,159 --> 01:30:01,399
Speaker 13: Hello?

1359
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 14: Yes, what is the origin of species?

1360
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,199
Speaker 13: You mean his Darwin's book that he wrote?

1361
01:30:11,119 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 14: No, what is the origin of species?

1362
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 13: His theory that he when he studied Galapagos Island that

1363
01:30:19,039 --> 01:30:20,439
we have a common ancestor?

1364
01:30:21,319 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 14: No, no, no, no, Where do they come from? Where

1365
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,000
do they originate from?

1366
01:30:25,159 --> 01:30:27,319
Speaker 13: You tell me because whatever I say is going to

1367
01:30:27,359 --> 01:30:29,720
be I'm sure wrong, and you're the science man, So

1368
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:30,640
tell me science man.

1369
01:30:31,119 --> 01:30:35,279
Speaker 14: I'd like to know what where do species? How do

1370
01:30:35,359 --> 01:30:36,039
they originate?

1371
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Speaker 13: I mean, I think there is some common ancestor from

1372
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:44,199
the different types of entities or creatures that exists, and

1373
01:30:44,279 --> 01:30:47,039
then through natural selection, You can have that variation.

1374
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Speaker 14: So, according to you, species originate by natural selection. Sure,

1375
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so you believe in evolution.

1376
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Speaker 13: Yeah, just not grand theory billions of years type stuff.

1377
01:31:04,079 --> 01:31:09,079
Speaker 14: Yes, right, so you're an evolutionist.

1378
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:10,079
Speaker 13: In a sense.

1379
01:31:10,159 --> 01:31:13,079
Speaker 14: Sure, in what sense are you not?

1380
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Speaker 13: In the sense that I just said, I'm not not

1381
01:31:18,079 --> 01:31:20,159
millions of years? Not a common ancestor?

1382
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:23,279
Speaker 14: Why not a common ancestor?

1383
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:26,279
Speaker 13: Because there's no evidence or reason to believe that there's

1384
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a common ancestor, and it's philosophically nonsensical and it's not empirical.

1385
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 14: What is the contradiction?

1386
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Speaker 13: Did?

1387
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Speaker 19: I said?

1388
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Speaker 13: There was no evidence for it? So something having no

1389
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evidence or philosophically incoherent is not the same thing as

1390
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necessarily a contradiction.

1391
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Speaker 14: You said incoherent, So yeah, that does mean a contradiction.

1392
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 13: Incoherent can be from different ways and in different senses.

1393
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If there's no evidence for something, then that's a form

1394
01:31:53,079 --> 01:31:55,640
of incoherence. That is not a contradiction. Not everything is

1395
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:56,680
a logical contradiction.

1396
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Speaker 14: No, But if you say it's incoherent, tails a contradiction.

1397
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Speaker 13: There can be different ways that something can be incoherent.

1398
01:32:04,119 --> 01:32:07,239
Something could just be meaningless gibberish. That's not a contradiction,

1399
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:10,119
so it's meaningless gibberish.

1400
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,279
Speaker 14: But what what is meaningless gibberish?

1401
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 13: The idea that every being is a transmutation from a

1402
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:20,560
single being, that.

1403
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 14: They all have a common ancestor yes, where is that?

1404
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:25,760
It seems pretty meaningful?

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Speaker 13: Okay?

1406
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,359
Speaker 19: What is what is the evidence of argument for that?

1407
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:28,760
Prove that?

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Speaker 14: So you agree that it isn't meaningless gibberish.

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Speaker 19: Where is the evidence or proof for that?

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01:32:36,079 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 14: I want you to take back your claim that meaningless.

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01:32:39,239 --> 01:32:41,560
Speaker 13: You're not going to argue actually any of the position.

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01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,079
You're just going to You're just going to argue over terminology.

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01:32:45,159 --> 01:32:45,960
Speaker 14: I want you to do.

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01:32:46,199 --> 01:32:48,319
Speaker 13: Okay, So do you have an argument for your position

1415
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,000
or not? Do you have anything you want to argue?

1416
01:32:51,039 --> 01:32:55,000
Semantics about something incoherent? I'm arguing that it's incoherent.

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01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 14: Right, But you just admitted that it isn't incoherent.

1418
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,279
Speaker 13: No, I didn't. You're arguing, Okay, you're just faking it.

1419
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,720
This is not an actual argument. Good by wasting our time.

1420
01:33:05,079 --> 01:33:07,000
Do I have an actual argument for the position? You're

1421
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:08,359
welcome to come presented Anton.

1422
01:33:08,399 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 19: What's up.

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01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 13: If I said skibble squabble squibble squabble. That's not a contradiction,

1424
01:33:21,239 --> 01:33:26,960
that's incoherence gibberish, and I believe that tiktolic is gibberish.

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01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:34,600
Speaker 19: Anton, what's up, Hello.

1426
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 3: J Dire, Thanks for taking my call.

1427
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:39,720
Speaker 14: I wasn't expected to.

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01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 3: Get jumped on this past.

1429
01:33:41,159 --> 01:33:41,319
Speaker 14: Well.

1430
01:33:41,359 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 26: I'm from Sweden.

1431
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 14: And I've been inquiring about Orthodoxy for the last year

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01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:48,119
or so.

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01:33:49,279 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 26: And my question is about how can I say there's

1434
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:56,520
not a lot of options in Sweden for the Orthodox Church.

1435
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It's usually ep the centric, the churches conserving a romanium.

1436
01:34:01,119 --> 01:34:02,880
They're usually focusing.

1437
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:05,239
Speaker 13: On, okay, the working class.

1438
01:34:05,399 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 26: So my point is the church is close to me

1439
01:34:10,039 --> 01:34:14,680
and available is an old calendarist Greek Orthodox church, and

1440
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:17,199
I just want to see what's your take on the

1441
01:34:17,279 --> 01:34:18,319
list worth going there.

1442
01:34:18,399 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 13: I mean, there are some old calendar churches. My church's

1443
01:34:21,039 --> 01:34:25,119
old calendar, but they're not necessarily schismatic. So there's difference

1444
01:34:25,119 --> 01:34:27,840
between something that being old calendar and schismatic old calendar.

1445
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 26: Yeah, but these are schismatic that they belong to the

1446
01:34:31,319 --> 01:34:32,239
true Greek Orthodoxy.

1447
01:34:32,279 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 13: Okay, then no that you cannot attend a schismatic church

1448
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:36,680
just because it's the only one around. You'd be better

1449
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:40,000
off to just be orthodox on your own, which you

1450
01:34:40,119 --> 01:34:43,199
can do, and then wait until you have an opportunity

1451
01:34:43,279 --> 01:34:46,239
to reach out and interact with, you know, a priest

1452
01:34:46,359 --> 01:34:49,279
that's near you or whatever. Any atheists. I'd love to

1453
01:34:49,319 --> 01:34:51,920
get some atheists or some science boys that can actually

1454
01:34:52,119 --> 01:34:55,680
argue the position and not argue over terminology. Not everything

1455
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,680
is a contradiction, right Again, there's different Like, if I

1456
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:03,039
have no evidence for my theory, that's not a contradiction.

1457
01:35:03,199 --> 01:35:06,880
That's just something that's an assertion. An assertion isn't a contradiction.

1458
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:11,560
If I were to assert that the universe was created

1459
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:17,479
by queer gnomes, is it a contradiction, No, it's an assertion.

1460
01:35:18,079 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 19: Do I have evidence for it?

1461
01:35:19,039 --> 01:35:19,359
Speaker 14: A proof?

1462
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:19,520
Speaker 3: No?

1463
01:35:20,279 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 13: Well is it a contradiction no? So this guy has

1464
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:25,279
no idea what he's talking about, doesn't know the difference

1465
01:35:25,319 --> 01:35:35,439
between something being incoherent an assertion versus a contradiction. What's up, Kristen, Hey, Hey,

1466
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:36,279
what's up?

1467
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:42,079
Speaker 36: Okay, this isn't a super intellectual question, but okay, So

1468
01:35:42,159 --> 01:35:43,359
I was in mask yesterday.

1469
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:45,720
Speaker 13: Well that was your first problem.

1470
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 14: I know.

1471
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:51,239
Speaker 13: Well, so it was Catholic.

1472
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 36: Mass, by the way, Catholic, I know, normal Catholic Mass,

1473
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:55,319
not like.

1474
01:35:56,279 --> 01:35:59,199
Speaker 14: Not like an Orthodox you know, it's just like normal.

1475
01:35:59,239 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 8: We don't get that.

1476
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:05,119
Speaker 36: I'm in like seventy thousand people in my county. It's

1477
01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:08,640
considered a small town, and I'm rural.

1478
01:36:09,079 --> 01:36:10,159
Speaker 8: I'm in the state of Colorado.

1479
01:36:10,199 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 13: But anyway, I'm in Mass and.

1480
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:18,159
Speaker 36: There's this older woman and she she's looking at Facebook

1481
01:36:19,319 --> 01:36:24,399
and drinking coffee and sitting, you know, on a cushion.

1482
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:29,439
I mean, is it for me to like say something.

1483
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:32,319
Speaker 31: She's like, oh, it was during the consecration of the Eucharis.

1484
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:36,520
Speaker 13: Well, I'm not surprised at a Novasorto church that it

1485
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:40,239
would be that informal and that you know.

1486
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,079
Speaker 12: Well, my urge is to like say something.

1487
01:36:44,199 --> 01:36:46,680
Speaker 36: And I'm like kneeling, but she's sitting back and I'm

1488
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:50,000
right behind her, but I want to say something to her.

1489
01:36:50,039 --> 01:36:51,039
Speaker 8: And she's like an elder in.

1490
01:36:51,079 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 36: The church, you know what I mean.

1491
01:36:53,199 --> 01:36:55,600
Speaker 13: Well, you need to get out of the gay Roman

1492
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:57,479
Catholic church and go to an Orthodox church.

1493
01:36:58,359 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 12: Well I don't.

1494
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:02,199
Speaker 14: We don't have one for probably one hundred miles at least.

1495
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 13: Well, you're better off going to an Orthodox church that's

1496
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:08,039
on her my house away than some lame ass weird

1497
01:37:08,119 --> 01:37:08,840
novasorio church.

1498
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:11,399
Speaker 19: But thank you for your call. I appreciate that. Christen laptop.

1499
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:12,079
What's up, dude?

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01:37:17,399 --> 01:37:19,600
Speaker 13: We got a wye mom versus a coffee mom. That's

1501
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:22,560
just a joke. I'm just joking. eBoy, get their feelings hurt.

1502
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:28,159
What's up, man, I'm you? And then he falls off. Okay, Bryden,

1503
01:37:28,199 --> 01:37:33,159
what's up? Well?

1504
01:37:33,239 --> 01:37:34,560
Speaker 19: Catholics don't even fast.

1505
01:37:34,399 --> 01:37:35,520
Speaker 13: Before they're.

1506
01:37:38,039 --> 01:37:39,600
Speaker 19: Eucharist. I don't think do they.

1507
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:43,159
Speaker 13: I don't remember, and it's something and it's something like

1508
01:37:43,239 --> 01:37:44,720
thirty minutes or something. I don't remember.

1509
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:45,079
Speaker 19: What's up?

1510
01:37:45,119 --> 01:37:45,239
Speaker 3: Man?

1511
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:48,560
Speaker 25: So I have like a kind of a personal like

1512
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:52,800
advice question that I'd like to ask. I have been

1513
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:56,920
a like social media manager splash editor for a bunch

1514
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,239
of different comics over the past like three years, and

1515
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:01,720
I've passed a.

1516
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:04,520
Speaker 13: Couple of months comics like Spider Man or comics like

1517
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:05,920
stand up Comedians.

1518
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 25: Like stand up Comedians, And over the past couple of months,

1519
01:38:09,079 --> 01:38:11,039
I have started going to an Orthox church.

1520
01:38:11,039 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 3: I've looked at all of it.

1521
01:38:12,039 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 25: I'm starting my Cateakisa sometime soon. And I was wondering

1522
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:23,439
your thoughts on like promoting. That's basically what I'm doing

1523
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:26,680
is I'm promoting their their values, and if they're you.

1524
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:32,600
Speaker 37: Know, doing stand up, that's not you know, glorifying God.

1525
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:34,159
I guess not that they have to be Christian, but

1526
01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:37,680
that they would be glorifying.

1527
01:38:37,119 --> 01:38:40,199
Speaker 25: The passions or whatever. What is your kind of thought

1528
01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:42,960
on that? I've asked a couple of different people and like,

1529
01:38:43,079 --> 01:38:45,319
haven't gotten a great answer.

1530
01:38:47,079 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 13: I think typically there's flexibility for this kind of stuff

1531
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:51,960
because you know, we all live in a world where

1532
01:38:52,199 --> 01:38:57,119
you don't You can't find perfect Christian bosses everywhere. So

1533
01:38:57,359 --> 01:38:59,880
unless as long as you're not directly involved in something

1534
01:39:00,199 --> 01:39:03,279
like criminal or something you know, some sort of egregious

1535
01:39:04,119 --> 01:39:06,640
you know activity. You know, if I if I was

1536
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:09,399
managing a liquor store, or if I work for a

1537
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:13,560
pharmaceutical corporation, like any of those corporations or these companies

1538
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:16,680
could be adjacent to or involved in some type of vice.

1539
01:39:17,319 --> 01:39:20,319
Speaker 19: But it's kind of like the dollar bill. I mean,

1540
01:39:20,319 --> 01:39:21,359
the dollar bill is Fiat.

1541
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:24,680
Speaker 13: It's intimately tied into usury and into corruption, but we

1542
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:25,680
can't avoid.

1543
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:26,399
Speaker 19: Using the dollar bill.

1544
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:29,159
Speaker 13: So no, I don't think that as long as you're

1545
01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:32,880
not directly participating in something wicked something like that, like

1546
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:36,439
to run social media accounts, you know, unless it turns

1547
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:41,119
into something like I don't know, like promoting tr and

1548
01:39:41,279 --> 01:39:44,239
Z stand ups or something like that might be getting.

1549
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:45,279
Speaker 8: A little a little overboard.

1550
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 25: Yeah, okay, I mean it was just like some of

1551
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,119
the people I've worked for in the past. I don't

1552
01:39:51,199 --> 01:39:53,880
currently work for anyone that crazy, but some of the

1553
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:55,800
people I've worked for in the past, like a lot

1554
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:59,239
of their stand up was about pornography and kind of

1555
01:39:59,279 --> 01:40:03,760
in a positive light, oh I say, some type of things.

1556
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:07,000
So it's not like like the way that I reason

1557
01:40:07,039 --> 01:40:09,239
it is, like I could work for someone like Jim

1558
01:40:09,279 --> 01:40:14,600
Gaffigan or even you know, like normal people that have

1559
01:40:15,039 --> 01:40:19,159
more regular stuff, but some of the other like more

1560
01:40:19,319 --> 01:40:22,720
gregious passions is kind of what I was, uh looking

1561
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:24,840
at for my for myself, and when I was kind

1562
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:25,640
of I just wanted to hear.

1563
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:26,039
Speaker 29: Yeah.

1564
01:40:26,039 --> 01:40:27,800
Speaker 13: I mean that's a tough one sometimes, you know, there's

1565
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:30,319
there's everybody's going to have certain jobs and professions where

1566
01:40:30,319 --> 01:40:33,680
they're going to be kind of tough moral calls. So

1567
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:36,720
like you said, maybe you could find some you know,

1568
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:40,279
more wholesome type comedians that aren't pushing you know, but

1569
01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:43,640
stuff or whatever. But yeah, good good question, Bradon. I

1570
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:45,640
appreciate that that's a that's a tough and laptop. What's

1571
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:57,479
up man? By the way, guys want to support the stream,

1572
01:40:57,479 --> 01:40:59,279
you can do so through super chat. Superjests are done

1573
01:40:59,319 --> 01:41:00,920
through stream Labs.

1574
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:01,199
Speaker 3: If you.

1575
01:41:03,079 --> 01:41:07,159
Speaker 13: Use the link in the show description, you can send

1576
01:41:07,199 --> 01:41:09,399
a super chat anytime and I'll read your super chat

1577
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:09,760
on air.

1578
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:10,720
Speaker 19: What's up? Laptop?

1579
01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:15,199
Speaker 30: Yeah, just add a question from the Artison's worldview, like

1580
01:41:16,079 --> 01:41:19,079
does it just kind of pot onto this like atstans

1581
01:41:19,079 --> 01:41:23,760
just want to recognize an actual physical authority and then

1582
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:26,399
they will respond and just say okay, but then how

1583
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:28,600
do we lose one is just blow down?

1584
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:32,239
Speaker 13: Ultimately to that is that basically it h it's hard

1585
01:41:32,279 --> 01:41:33,800
to hear some of what you're asking. I think you're

1586
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:37,239
asking due Protestants just basically lack normative authority. And I

1587
01:41:37,279 --> 01:41:40,600
would say, yes, it's not that they don't recognize any authority,

1588
01:41:41,159 --> 01:41:45,600
but there's no authority according to classical Reformation standards that

1589
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:51,079
allows a person to bind your conscience. So essentially there's

1590
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:56,479
a word, there's verbal credence given to authority, but nobody

1591
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:59,640
has any authority to morally bind you in your conscience.

1592
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:00,640
Speaker 19: To those ideas.

1593
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:04,720
Speaker 13: So if the Protestant pastor says something you don't like

1594
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:09,159
and he wants to excommunicate you, even though ninety nine

1595
01:42:09,159 --> 01:42:12,000
percent presenters don't ex communicate anybody, you could just go

1596
01:42:12,159 --> 01:42:14,239
start your own Protestant church down the road. There's nothing

1597
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:20,359
in the presupposition of classical protestantsm that disallows that, precisely

1598
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:22,960
because of the doctrine of the right of private interpretation

1599
01:42:23,119 --> 01:42:26,720
and freedom of conscience. So the issue isn't what they

1600
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:29,640
always make it about epistemology, or you're saying I can't

1601
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:33,119
know the Gospel or the Bible without a bishop or

1602
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:37,720
a church tolling me. The issue is more specifically normative authority,

1603
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:41,720
that there's no recognized body of people who have the

1604
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:46,640
ability to bind anyone's conscience to an interpretation of the texts.

1605
01:42:47,039 --> 01:42:52,079
And so just like the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution

1606
01:42:52,359 --> 01:42:57,760
in our country, there's no body of people in the

1607
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:02,279
Protestant world, because everybody has their own right to private interpretation.

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01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:06,600
Andrew twenty five dollars, Jay, you have ever evergreen content.

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01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 19: Thank you.

1610
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:10,279
Speaker 13: I watched a five hour stream where no Muslims could

1611
01:43:10,319 --> 01:43:14,199
restate your hypothetical exactly and I think that shows quite

1612
01:43:14,199 --> 01:43:17,159
a bit, not just about Islam, but also about the

1613
01:43:17,199 --> 01:43:21,960
difference between people, groups and cultures. Fourteen hundred years of

1614
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:26,000
smashing your cousin kind of degrades your intelligence. Unfortunately that

1615
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:29,079
is the case. And if you saw Andrew's debate with

1616
01:43:29,279 --> 01:43:32,520
Daniel Hoikikachew, it was all pretty much mask off, wasn't it?

1617
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 19: Yourm the Giant? What's up?

1618
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:46,600
Speaker 28: Yo?

1619
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:47,039
Speaker 12: Jay?

1620
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:58,399
Speaker 19: Yeah? Yeah, what's up? And any working dog.

1621
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:07,039
Speaker 13: Roots? You want to try again? People?

1622
01:44:07,279 --> 01:44:09,319
Speaker 20: All people say, why should it be?

1623
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:12,199
Speaker 13: I don't even actually like that song, but it was

1624
01:44:12,279 --> 01:44:14,560
only Depeche Mode T shirt that I could find like

1625
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:16,600
ten years ago. What's up? Man?

1626
01:44:19,319 --> 01:44:19,479
Speaker 1: Hey?

1627
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:20,479
Speaker 14: You talking to me? Jay?

1628
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 31: Yes, sir, Hey, sorry, boss, just give me one second.

1629
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:25,520
I'm gonna I'm about to pull over here. I'm on

1630
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:27,039
my way to work, but I have something I really

1631
01:44:27,079 --> 01:44:28,920
want to ask you. Pulling over right.

1632
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:33,399
Speaker 13: Now, let me read this super chat Bunny Maximus ten dollars, Jay,

1633
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:38,800
we celebrate centh class here in inn l.

1634
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 19: I don't know what in l is.

1635
01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 13: They say that he's.

1636
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:45,319
Speaker 19: Spanish and black Pete is illegal. Do you know about

1637
01:44:45,359 --> 01:44:46,079
this tradition?

1638
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:46,880
Speaker 22: No?

1639
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Speaker 13: But it sounds funny. What's what was it?

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01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:54,159
Speaker 31: Hey, Jay, huge fan, I've been listening for years. Personally,

1641
01:44:54,199 --> 01:44:55,600
I just want to say thanks for all you do.

1642
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:57,600
Speaker 3: You're a rock star and I've learned so much for you.

1643
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:01,159
Speaker 13: But am I heir my little rock star? Or am

1644
01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:03,439
I more like or am I more like Michael Bolton

1645
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:05,399
when he became a mom core rock star?

1646
01:45:07,079 --> 01:45:10,159
Speaker 3: Maybe something in the middle of not answer? I like

1647
01:45:10,239 --> 01:45:10,600
that answer.

1648
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:12,800
Speaker 31: Yeah, So I just wanted to preface this. This is

1649
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:16,119
a serious question. It's not a gotcha. I'm an inquirer

1650
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:19,760
into the faith, mainly because a lot.

1651
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:23,039
Speaker 3: Of things I've learned from you and your peers. Uh so, yeah,

1652
01:45:23,199 --> 01:45:24,119
I'll just ask away.

1653
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:26,840
Speaker 31: So this is a question that piques my interest greatly.

1654
01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:29,319
And I've heard you speak on this specific topic before,

1655
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,039
but I'm not sure if you've answered this particular question.

1656
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,239
It's something I've pondered myself but I can't quite figure out.

1657
01:45:35,319 --> 01:45:37,039
So I wanted to ask for your help and get

1658
01:45:37,079 --> 01:45:42,640
your insight. As Orthodox as Orthodox Christians, divine revelation is

1659
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:43,439
ultimately the.

1660
01:45:43,439 --> 01:45:45,399
Speaker 3: Grounding for everything that we believe.

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01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:47,680
Speaker 31: Right, and I say we, I know that I'm not yet,

1662
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:49,479
but just make it easier.

1663
01:45:49,279 --> 01:45:55,039
Speaker 13: Shorthand, Yeah, it's the epistemic grounding in the philosophical sense, yeah.

1664
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:59,279
Speaker 31: Right, and tag and the divine mind theory are apologetic

1665
01:45:59,399 --> 01:46:03,479
logical proof that back up the position. But I've heard you,

1666
01:46:03,640 --> 01:46:05,880
I've heard people ask you before, is your belief in

1667
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:10,079
Christianity falsifiable? And the answer you gave is yes, that

1668
01:46:10,159 --> 01:46:13,079
if you came across a worldview there was more coherent

1669
01:46:13,119 --> 01:46:16,560
and a better explanation for our universe and existence, et cetera,

1670
01:46:17,199 --> 01:46:19,520
you would believe that, which makes sense to me.

1671
01:46:20,159 --> 01:46:24,640
Speaker 3: So basically, my question is, how do we square that logically?

1672
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:27,319
Speaker 31: If we say that diviner revelation and the authority of

1673
01:46:27,399 --> 01:46:31,520
God is a supreme being our grounding belief, because if

1674
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,960
diviner revelation can be forwarded by a more coherent worldview,

1675
01:46:35,039 --> 01:46:37,119
then I guess I'm no.

1676
01:46:37,199 --> 01:46:39,880
Speaker 13: It's it's just a way that you argue in a debate.

1677
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,000
It doesn't mean that it's actually the case. It's just

1678
01:46:42,199 --> 01:46:44,039
like you know, if you go back to listen to

1679
01:46:44,079 --> 01:46:50,079
some of Boson's debates and he's like rhetorically arguing with Stein,

1680
01:46:50,199 --> 01:46:53,039
he says, well, okay, if if you have a better

1681
01:46:53,159 --> 01:46:56,720
argumentation present that, what's the what's the argument that gives

1682
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:59,479
a coherent account, So it's more of a rhetorical move.

1683
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:02,760
It's not actually, you're not actually saying that. Oh on,

1684
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:04,800
maybe maybe God can be refuted.

1685
01:47:06,279 --> 01:47:09,760
Speaker 31: Okay, maybe I'm missing something, But well, I'm asking because

1686
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:11,880
I believe that God exists, and I'm also a very

1687
01:47:12,359 --> 01:47:16,239
philosophically minded person, and having listened to you has taught

1688
01:47:16,279 --> 01:47:18,960
me that the two are square in one supports the other.

1689
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:22,119
And that was a truly profound realization.

1690
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:23,079
Speaker 12: For me that I'm really grateful for.

1691
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:27,039
Speaker 31: But I don't know, maybe it's maybe I'm missing something.

1692
01:47:27,079 --> 01:47:29,199
You know, I'm only an inquirer. I'm not a member

1693
01:47:29,359 --> 01:47:32,720
of the faith yet, so surely it's probably my.

1694
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:37,000
Speaker 13: Well, again, there's a difference between like arguing things rhetorically

1695
01:47:37,159 --> 01:47:41,279
in a debate setting, where you'd say to the opponent, right,

1696
01:47:41,359 --> 01:47:47,520
I mean, debate itself presupposes a supposed neutral setting, but

1697
01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:50,119
in reality, what we're doing is we're almost kind of

1698
01:47:50,199 --> 01:47:54,239
subverting debate itself because we're saying, actually, debate isn't neutral,

1699
01:47:54,319 --> 01:47:56,119
but we're going to act as a debate as neutral

1700
01:47:56,199 --> 01:47:58,720
for the sake of the audience and for the sake

1701
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:02,119
of the process of you know, letting people hear the

1702
01:48:02,199 --> 01:48:05,479
message and do a debate, but we are not Actually

1703
01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:09,319
we don't actually believe debate is neutral, but debate itself

1704
01:48:09,399 --> 01:48:12,479
kind of presupposes neutral settings. That's why rhetorically you will

1705
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:16,039
say things like yeah, sure, go ahead falsify my position.

1706
01:48:16,119 --> 01:48:17,560
Doesn't mean that you actually think it can be.

1707
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:23,279
Speaker 31: Okay, So so it's not actually falsifiable.

1708
01:48:23,359 --> 01:48:25,760
Speaker 13: Again, it's a rhetorical position.

1709
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:28,760
Speaker 31: Right, I'm genny, I'm not saying you're wrong.

1710
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:33,239
Speaker 13: I'm trying to Okay, it's I'm trying to figure out

1711
01:48:33,239 --> 01:48:38,560
how to say this without it being offensive. You're approaching

1712
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:41,760
it into spur giveaway when you say do you know

1713
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:44,920
what I mean? But when you say something rhetorically, yeah, okay.

1714
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:48,479
So in argumentation and debate, not everything is literal. Not

1715
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:52,680
everything is an algorithmic expression. So I don't want to

1716
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:56,319
say that my position is unfalsifiable because I said earlier

1717
01:48:56,359 --> 01:49:02,239
and I argued that unfalsifiabilities signify is a weak position. Right,

1718
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:08,079
So for the sake of argument, go ahead falsify my position.

1719
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:10,760
It's no different than when we say stuff like for

1720
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:13,640
the sake of argument, Like let's say I'm debating atheists,

1721
01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:15,319
and I say, let's say, for the sake of argument,

1722
01:49:15,399 --> 01:49:18,520
your position is true. Oh you're a blashemer because you've

1723
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:19,560
admitted atheism's true.

1724
01:49:22,119 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 31: Right, Okay, I think I'm still missing something, but it's

1725
01:49:28,039 --> 01:49:29,720
on me. I'm just going to listen back to this

1726
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:30,920
and see if I can get it.

1727
01:49:33,159 --> 01:49:34,439
Speaker 19: What's not making sense?

1728
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:38,279
Speaker 31: Well, I understand what you're saying. That it's a we

1729
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:40,119
use it that you use it rhetorically.

1730
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:42,840
Speaker 13: If you're in a debate and you say, to an atheist,

1731
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:45,600
let's say, for the sake of argument, atheism is true,

1732
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:47,800
that's what you do when you do an eternal internal critique.

1733
01:49:48,359 --> 01:49:50,319
We're not literally saying atheism is true.

1734
01:49:52,359 --> 01:49:53,880
Speaker 31: Yeah, of course I understand.

1735
01:49:54,079 --> 01:49:54,880
Speaker 14: That's not what I'm missing.

1736
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:55,640
Speaker 3: I understand that.

1737
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:58,079
Speaker 19: Okay, Then what's what's not clear?

1738
01:49:59,239 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 3: Well, I I don't so so is it true or

1739
01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:05,319
is it not? That?

1740
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 31: So when you say if a more coherent worldview was

1741
01:50:10,039 --> 01:50:11,079
you were to be introduced to.

1742
01:50:11,079 --> 01:50:12,800
Speaker 13: Me again, I'm not I'm sorry, man, I'm not going

1743
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:15,600
to repeat to you for the third time. It's a hypothetical,

1744
01:50:16,079 --> 01:50:18,960
no different than an internal critique. And you're stuck on

1745
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:23,399
autistic autistic either or bro, just relax Yellow.

1746
01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:23,840
Speaker 19: What's up?

1747
01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:39,479
Speaker 13: Wayward frequency five dollars that shall cut loose the pores

1748
01:50:40,199 --> 01:50:43,479
in every empty wallet, which has none, none of which

1749
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:45,520
may enter the house of dire The Book of Bitcoin,

1750
01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:47,680
sixty seven correct exactly.

1751
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:50,640
Speaker 19: I was waiting for somebody to actually get mad and

1752
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:52,079
think that I was being serious.

1753
01:50:53,319 --> 01:50:57,600
Speaker 14: Did she leave? What did you leave?

1754
01:50:58,239 --> 01:50:58,399
Speaker 13: Who?

1755
01:51:00,079 --> 01:51:00,199
Speaker 1: Night?

1756
01:51:00,239 --> 01:51:01,079
Speaker 14: I was cooking shre.

1757
01:51:02,479 --> 01:51:04,720
Speaker 19: I ended the conversation so that we didn't end up

1758
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:07,800
into it. I didn't boot him.

1759
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:10,760
Speaker 13: I just removed him from the discussion, because if I

1760
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:14,239
get agitated and I start arguing, people are going to say,

1761
01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:16,079
I'm mean, he's going to get his feelings hurt. He's

1762
01:51:16,119 --> 01:51:18,039
going to turn into a person to trust, expose me.

1763
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:20,479
I've been through this dance a million times.

1764
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:20,920
Speaker 19: What's up?

1765
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:24,319
Speaker 14: I just wanted to come back to come up here

1766
01:51:24,399 --> 01:51:27,000
and booty the guy go down?

1767
01:51:29,079 --> 01:51:29,439
Speaker 13: Bullying?

1768
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:32,079
Speaker 19: Okay, what why do you want to bully? And what's

1769
01:51:32,119 --> 01:51:32,600
on your mind?

1770
01:51:33,319 --> 01:51:33,479
Speaker 1: Oh?

1771
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:35,840
Speaker 14: He was he was bringing a night.

1772
01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:38,199
Speaker 13: Okay, what's that all that's on your mind?

1773
01:51:39,119 --> 01:51:39,359
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1774
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:44,119
Speaker 13: Okay? Thank you? Yellow bullies in the audience. What's up, MK,

1775
01:51:44,359 --> 01:51:53,000
what's up? We're getting some wild calls today. It's fun.

1776
01:51:53,439 --> 01:51:56,760
People should also have more fun with this, not take

1777
01:51:56,840 --> 01:52:00,560
this so seriously. When somebody comes on with a voice

1778
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:03,119
and I do an impression it's because we're having fun,

1779
01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:07,319
and all these skittles goblins in the audience are like, oh.

1780
01:52:07,279 --> 01:52:07,720
Speaker 14: We got it.

1781
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:10,159
Speaker 19: He's being mean again, looking at me so irritable.

1782
01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:14,319
Speaker 13: We're having fun. Learn the nuance and the sense, the

1783
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:18,239
vibe from which we're coming. This is fun, it's entertaining.

1784
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:22,279
If you can't handle it, you don't have to call in.

1785
01:52:23,319 --> 01:52:27,079
Speaker 19: Did you ever think about that? Nobody's making anyone call in?

1786
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:28,439
Speaker 13: Look go mean?

1787
01:52:28,720 --> 01:52:31,560
Speaker 20: Is look mean? Dude? Then soe call in?

1788
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:33,159
Speaker 13: Nobody's making you tune in either?

1789
01:52:33,199 --> 01:52:33,479
Speaker 3: What's up?

1790
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:34,039
Speaker 13: Name KM you?

1791
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:39,760
Speaker 22: Sob Jay just had wanted to give you some pushback

1792
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:44,600
on the age of the Earth conversation. Okay, So first off,

1793
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:47,600
you know, just wondering if I could give you an

1794
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:52,239
opportunity to potentially refute the argument from geological stratification. So

1795
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:55,560
why don't I find a bunny rabbit skeleton and the

1796
01:52:56,239 --> 01:52:57,359
Cambrian layer?

1797
01:52:59,800 --> 01:52:59,880
Speaker 8: Hi?

1798
01:53:00,039 --> 01:53:01,680
Speaker 19: Do you know there is a Cameran layer.

1799
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:10,119
Speaker 22: Essentially a projection of the same methodology as tree rings.

1800
01:53:10,119 --> 01:53:11,600
I mean it's like you just do tree rings, but

1801
01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:13,039
with the earth and the organisms in there.

1802
01:53:13,239 --> 01:53:15,319
Speaker 19: Have you done this or is this what the papers

1803
01:53:15,359 --> 01:53:16,399
and the professor has told you.

1804
01:53:17,079 --> 01:53:19,359
Speaker 22: I've worked in departments that have done this kind of research.

1805
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:23,439
Speaker 19: Okay, and you saw with your own eyes the age.

1806
01:53:23,319 --> 01:53:29,000
Speaker 22: Of the strata, not all of them, but serieses of

1807
01:53:29,079 --> 01:53:29,479
the I'm sure.

1808
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:31,600
Speaker 19: Okay, How does the strata tell you the age?

1809
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:33,359
Speaker 8: Is it? Is?

1810
01:53:33,399 --> 01:53:33,439
Speaker 1: It?

1811
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:33,640
Speaker 30: Is?

1812
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:33,760
Speaker 3: It?

1813
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:36,720
Speaker 13: Is it listed in like? Is it is it like

1814
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:37,399
chiseled in?

1815
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:38,600
Speaker 3: No?

1816
01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:41,560
Speaker 22: But you can look for a coherentis type alignment between

1817
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:43,680
things like the earth layers.

1818
01:53:43,439 --> 01:53:43,920
Speaker 3: Tree rings.

1819
01:53:44,199 --> 01:53:46,039
Speaker 19: What does coherentism have to do with this?

1820
01:53:47,199 --> 01:53:47,319
Speaker 31: Uh?

1821
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:52,840
Speaker 13: Like you look for conclusions and that's not coherentism. Coherentism

1822
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:55,279
is a form of epistemology has nothing to do with this.

1823
01:53:56,399 --> 01:53:58,720
Speaker 22: No, it does, because I'm saying that you're not approaching

1824
01:53:58,760 --> 01:54:03,520
it from a particular presupposition of these things are. What's true?

1825
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:06,159
You're just finding correspondences in the same data points.

1826
01:54:06,279 --> 01:54:11,000
Speaker 13: That's not coherentism. Maybe something being coherent amongst different disciplines.

1827
01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:13,720
But how does that tell you, because you're looking at

1828
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:16,319
a bunch of different things that the specific age is correct.

1829
01:54:18,279 --> 01:54:20,359
Speaker 22: It might not give you a particular age, But if

1830
01:54:20,399 --> 01:54:23,199
you have an alternative explanation, how come.

1831
01:54:23,079 --> 01:54:23,520
Speaker 14: We don't see?

1832
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:25,439
Speaker 13: Now you're doing a two quot way. Now you're doing

1833
01:54:25,479 --> 01:54:27,680
a two quote way. So again, when you look at

1834
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:29,640
that layer, how are you getting the right age?

1835
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:34,520
Speaker 22: It has to be ascertained on the basis of other

1836
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:35,119
data points.

1837
01:54:37,880 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 13: How do you know when you go to the other

1838
01:54:39,119 --> 01:54:40,880
data point that that data point is giving the age?

1839
01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:42,159
He's moving the problem back and stuff.

1840
01:54:45,239 --> 01:54:48,159
Speaker 22: Well, that's a very broad epistemological question that could be

1841
01:54:48,159 --> 01:54:48,840
asked about.

1842
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:51,199
Speaker 13: Anything, right, It's not even in a pistemological question now

1843
01:54:51,279 --> 01:54:53,520
is how do I know anything? It's a data question

1844
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:55,720
about the age. It is not a question of how

1845
01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:57,439
do you know anything? That's not what I asked.

1846
01:54:57,479 --> 01:55:00,720
Speaker 22: So all right, well, if I ask you, where are

1847
01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:04,800
we see another? Well, no, I'm not asserting that it's true,

1848
01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:07,640
so it's not a too coqu I'm asking you would.

1849
01:55:07,399 --> 01:55:08,880
Speaker 13: You be able to show you said you want to

1850
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:11,520
do a debate and do pushback. And when I asked

1851
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:13,960
you specifically how you know the age, you keep deflecting.

1852
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:17,720
Speaker 22: Well, I'm asking you to justify your position. How do

1853
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:20,560
we know that the sediment layers are the content?

1854
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:23,800
Speaker 13: We're not on my position yet, we're on your position,

1855
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:27,239
which was based on assertions. And so when I asked

1856
01:55:27,279 --> 01:55:30,439
you specifically, how you know you're just saying too quoque.

1857
01:55:32,439 --> 01:55:34,039
Speaker 22: I'm trying to understand where you're coming from.

1858
01:55:34,119 --> 01:55:35,520
Speaker 19: But if if you want to so, I'm not going

1859
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:36,439
to do the too again.

1860
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:38,359
Speaker 13: If you don't understand it too quoquay and you keep

1861
01:55:38,399 --> 01:55:40,840
asking me the same question, there's no point, Chase, what's up?

1862
01:55:48,399 --> 01:55:48,720
Speaker 14: Okay?

1863
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:49,239
Speaker 13: Hello?

1864
01:55:51,279 --> 01:55:53,880
Speaker 15: I just wanted to say that us people with non

1865
01:55:54,119 --> 01:55:56,199
neurotypical voices, we don't.

1866
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:59,920
Speaker 13: Really usually appreciate the jest and we can take Joe,

1867
01:56:00,600 --> 01:56:02,920
but some of us just this is how I'm trying

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to understand why you would use rhetoric without it being

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an either or. And if you speak in this manner,

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doesn't it make your position more true because you sound intellectual?

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Speaker 15: Well, it actually does, Jay, And this is part of

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your weakness in debate, is that those with non neurotypical

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voices typically would dominate you in debate if you didn't

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try to use your razzle dazzle tactics.

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Speaker 13: I believe the term that you're looking for, Chase, is

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called word solid.

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Speaker 15: Actually you don't really actually even understand this because you

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have a neurotypical voice. So I would just appreciate if

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you kept things you know, civil with those with the

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non neurotypical books.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, if you'd actually ever read anything or understood anything

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relating to anything at all whatsoever, perhaps you might be

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able to actually make an argument. But since you're unable,

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I will not even dignify what you've said with an

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actual reply.

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Speaker 3: I can tell by just your patents that you haven't

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even played alden Ring yet. I will leave you. You

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can go and play your games.

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Speaker 13: Good day, Good day to you, two sir refuted.

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Speaker 19: Hello, thank you, Damien. What's up? Damien?

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Speaker 13: Gonna bring that omen to us? I sent an omen?

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Speaker 12: Can jumy? All right?

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Speaker 38: I was going to ask if you saw what the

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Patriarchical Constantinople was doing the other day, Not with fo Leo,

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but rather they had a statement they released in support

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of ethnic and racial minorities and also homosexuals.

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Speaker 13: So where is this?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 38: I just saw an article from it on Orthodox.

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Speaker 12: Christian dot com that was on December fifth, so today.

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Speaker 13: Actually, oh, that's very interesting. Let's let's pull that up.

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Let's see.

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Speaker 12: I'm on my phone right now.

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Speaker 13: You know what the article what's the article called?

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Speaker 14: Let me see if I can pull it up real quick.

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Speaker 38: The articles called Finnish Church Council approves motion on rights

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of sexual and gender Minorities.

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Speaker 12: It's a long, very long title.

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Speaker 14: If if it allows.

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Speaker 12: Links in the x chat, I can just put it there.

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Speaker 19: Finish.

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Speaker 12: Yep, h I posted the link in the ex chat all.

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Speaker 13: Right, yeah, because this isn't working for whatever reason? Are

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you saying the x chat underneath this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, under the space?

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Speaker 14: Yah?

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Speaker 19: Is that uh all that you have in your mind?

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Appreciate that. Let's see what it says.

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Speaker 13: H oh wow, Okay, so now we gotta worship tr

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A and Z too.

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Speaker 19: But I mean, yeah, that's sad.

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Speaker 13: Did we not tell you, by the way, that the

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EP when it goes in this direction, it's not just

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a matter of theology and jurisdictions, it's allultimately for the

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for the skittles. They're going to push the EP to

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unite with Rome ultimately so that they can have the skittle.

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And here is exactly what we said right here. Yes,

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I can give you the link right here. Yeah, and

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it says it right here. Oh, you gotta you gotta

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protect the tieran Z. Protect them what does that even mean?

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By the way, protect them from like I mean, you

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can repent and come into the church.

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Speaker 19: But this is not that mark.

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Speaker 13: What's up? Yeah, they're literally saying that the church is

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a safe space for tian z. They're trying to make

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the church into Starbucks.

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Speaker 3: What's a many?

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Speaker 13: How's it going?

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Speaker 19: Okay, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 14: Good is going to let you know of it.

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Speaker 39: I'm five ten and one hundred and seventy five pounds

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and real trim.

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Speaker 13: Awesome, So I got it. Yeah, so you've probably beep

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this with.

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Speaker 3: The guy divorse. I just haven't heard you address it.

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Speaker 39: But it's over like Luke twenty two thirty six, and

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you know people, you know, to sell your cloak and

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buy a sword. I've heard a lot of people reput

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that and say it's just metaphorical and it has nothing

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to do with actually like arming oneself. And I was

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just curious of what your take is on that.

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Speaker 13: I think there's different significant significance is to the passage.

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I think indirectly it does support the idea that you

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can defend yourself, and that goes all the way. But

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back to Exitu, I think it's Exodus twenty twenty two

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talks about self defense. So Jesus isn't doing anything different

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than what's allowed in exodus for self defense. But also

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there's proper things at proper times, right, So there was

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a time when it was proper to defend one, but

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also there was a time when it was proper for

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him to not defend himself and to go to the cross,

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because that was kind of his plan and what he

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intended to do. And that's why historically the church, the

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Orthodox Christian teaching has always understood in a nuanced way,

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there's appropriate actions inappropriate situations. So sometimes, as Ecclesiastes says,

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there's a time for war. Sometimes there's a time for peace.

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Sometimes there's a time for mourning. Sometimes there's a time

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for joy and festivity. So we recognize all these things

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at the appropriate time, and really wisdom is knowing when

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to apply what.

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Speaker 3: Very cool, awesome picture.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, great question, Banantium.

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Speaker 13: What's up?

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Speaker 14: Sorry?

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Speaker 12: Hey, what's that?

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Speaker 14: I'm doing?

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Speaker 2: Good?

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Speaker 3: Long time I speak? Did Sam ever put out that

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episode about sports betting or is he going to get

1980
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to it?

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Speaker 19: I thought it was the Genrecker episode, did that one?

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Speaker 13: Not talking about?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: Sometimes?

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Speaker 35: Honestly with the titles and stuff, I just I don't

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watch it that frequently.

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Speaker 3: I was just curious when it was It was the

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John Rocker episode.

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Speaker 19: I assume, so, yeah.

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Speaker 13: But also sometimes I think one thing he's been doing

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too is if some of the episodes run a little long,

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then some of the content gets put for members at MDE.

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Oh okay, So in other words, I haven't seen all

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the episodes, so there might be some of that that's

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for the members at MDE. But yeah, good question.

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Speaker 35: What are your thoughts about the the recent female DAC

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and of thing I kind of missed the beginning of

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the stream. Did you guys discuss that article that came

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out heard the kind of a research room?

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Speaker 13: Did all I saw? I mentioned that it was occurring,

2002
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they were gonna they were going to study it, maybe

2003
02:03:53,119 --> 02:03:54,680
a month ago or two weeks ago, and then I

2004
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saw Tim Gordon yesterday. He was like cheering because supposedly

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02:04:00,119 --> 02:04:01,399
Rome has said, no, we're.

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Speaker 19: Not going to actually do it, and that is that

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what happened. I haven't I haven't looked.

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Speaker 35: Yeah, I kind of want to comment on it because

2009
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it's kind of funny. N's to sure, you know, compliment

2010
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loft dog, but there are instances where I'll.

2011
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Speaker 13: Listen to his stuff and every now and then he

2012
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gets he gets something right, That's that's true.

2013
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Speaker 35: Yeah, well he he's been on a on a heater

2014
02:04:20,399 --> 02:04:22,560
of being pissed off, and just acknowledging how annoyed he

2015
02:04:22,640 --> 02:04:25,640
isn't the status of things. But the funny thing is

2016
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when you look at this statement, if people take the

2017
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time to read anything, I feel like I've noticed this

2018
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consistently and apologetics for a while, so people have no

2019
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attentions been you read the article, it fairly clearly says

2020
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we're not making a doctrinal position here. This is a

2021
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:47,039
research document and what we're saying is worthy time being.

2022
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It will not be sacramental. It doesn't explicitly say that

2023
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it's rejected. Interesting they don't find any evidence for it

2024
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to be historically that way.

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Speaker 13: Well, what I said underneath what what I said underneath

2026
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Tim Gordon's post was perhaps we can hope that it

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will doctrinately develop to where we can have deaconesses.

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Speaker 35: Yeah, that's the funny thing, because the more I've looked

2029
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into it, it seems like if you get into all

2030
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the categories of what is dogma or not dogma, like

2031
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I don't know, like something like twenty percent of the

2032
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Catechism of the Catholic Church could be considered theological opinion.

2033
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Speaker 13: Well not, there's really true, actually, I honestly think, and

2034
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this is the way I argue it, as you probably know,

2035
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is like there is no real clear way to know

2036
02:05:30,359 --> 02:05:34,439
what isn't isn't doct dogma. You have basically, you know,

2037
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the three tiers of extraordinary, universal, ordinary, and ordinary, and

2038
02:05:40,399 --> 02:05:43,520
there's nothing that specifically leads you to know in all

2039
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these cases what goes in what ben and so we're

2040
02:05:48,520 --> 02:05:52,359
kind of in epistemic limbo when the whole purpose of

2041
02:05:52,479 --> 02:05:54,359
the you know, papacy was supposed to be to not

2042
02:05:54,479 --> 02:05:55,800
put us in epistemic limbo.

2043
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Speaker 35: Yeah, I mean you look at the Martellium animus quote

2044
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that was contrasted with the UH and unity whatever.

2045
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Speaker 19: Oh, by the way, I'm glad you mentioned it.

2046
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Speaker 13: I'm glad you mentioned that because I thought I was

2047
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going crazy. Well no, because uh, I was watching Tim

2048
02:06:12,560 --> 02:06:17,439
Gordon's stream with I forget that guy's name when they

2049
02:06:17,439 --> 02:06:20,000
were talking about Joe Heshmeier and they were responding to

2050
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him about.

2051
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Speaker 19: Talking about so they were talking about what's dogmatic.

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Speaker 13: And they were arguing like, oh, you have to follow

2053
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Cassidy CANUBII, And I'm like, well, wait a minute, so

2054
02:06:31,399 --> 02:06:34,520
now we do have to follow incyclicals, because if that's

2055
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the case, then mortality animos is binding.

2056
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a direct contradiction to what was just the

2057
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least the other day.

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Speaker 35: It was just very weird.

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Speaker 13: I too feel but I'm but I'm saying more fundamental

2060
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than this nonsense, this little minutia debate about feminism, right

2061
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because Tim tim is arguing with Joe Heshmeyer about feminism

2062
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and oh yeah, that's been funny. Tim is saying that,

2063
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and that his co hosts were saying, oh, you got

2064
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to follow Casside CANUBII, and I'm like, okay, well then

2065
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you also have to follow more Talian animos, which means

2066
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that the whole vatcant of apostates.

2067
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 14: Mean, what another thing I find unique?

2069
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Speaker 26: And I know.

2070
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Speaker 3: The Epi's being how he's being.

2071
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Speaker 35: What's funny, though, is every single Catholic saying that it's

2072
02:07:23,439 --> 02:07:26,560
like the Orthodox are spurging out and getting negative when

2073
02:07:26,680 --> 02:07:30,680
there's the possibility for quote unity. But if you actually now,

2074
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just the only thing I'll give them credit for. There's

2075
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another thing about people paying attention even in.

2076
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Speaker 3: That long liturgy.

2077
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Speaker 35: In the speech, Bart explicitly says we have to get

2078
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we have to figure out the filio quand people in vulability.

2079
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But every Catholic apologist will make the statement of like, well,

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all the Orthodox know that Orthodoxy will not be true anymore,

2081
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and the Orthodox will be going to the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, now, the.

2083
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Speaker 35: EP could make a push for that individually, but even

2084
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he in the in the dang thing said there are

2085
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two things we have to get over. So it's like

2086
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even the most liberal guy explicitly stated, well, he's.

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Speaker 19: Just he's just he's just saying that for to placate

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people in the church.

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Speaker 13: Like they can't just out they can't outright say oh,

2090
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but I mean they're already basically allegedly doing like covert

2091
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communion already. Wait, who is the EPs they supposedly commune

2092
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some cardinal.

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Speaker 3: Oh well that's that's not okay. But point being, I

2094
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guess we all know.

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Speaker 35: If that is the statement of the most quote liberal

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of the group of them, and we have patriarchs not

2097
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showing up, Orthodoxy just doesn't magically dissolve because the patriarchs

2098
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make one off decisions and then aren't patriarchs anymore. It's

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just very weird how the whole response came from the

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Catholic community, like, you guys are just not accepting the

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02:08:55,399 --> 02:08:58,520
fact that you're gonna go away. It's like, literally, there'd

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be no situation.

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Speaker 13: Well yeah, exact, I mean, if if that's the case,

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then then we would have disappeared after Florence. So exactly,

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thank you appreciate that, Matt, appreciate Matt, Max, what's up?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, I mean, they really just can't conceive of a

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different ecclesiology.

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Speaker 13: Their whole argument is always just premised on oh, well,

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the patriarch and the EP or the patriarchs and the

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EP are just little popes, and if they do something

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and you disagree, then you're disagreeing with your pope. So again,

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to refute Tim and his co host, they kept making

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this whole argument in their stream against Joe Heshmeier that oh,

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Cassie CANUBII, that's binding. You got to follow what he

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says on marriage and women. You know, must have meant

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to the husbands because it's binding. It's papal teaching, that's binding.

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Oh what about pious Eleven's and syclical He wrote two

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years earlier that participating in religious ceremonies with other groups

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and other faiths makes you an apostate. That means the

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papacy is a pastate because they've been doing this for

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decades now. So you just refuted your own position by

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admitting that Piace the eleventh and Cyclicals are binding. There

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should be the end for Roman Catholicism for people who

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can put two and two together.

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Speaker 19: What's up, man?

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Speaker 13: I'm mute, hey Jay, how are you doing? Man? Good?

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Speaker 22: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 14: Okay? Yep, okay.

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Speaker 2: So whenever I'm arguing with Roman Catholics often to point

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out that there's obvious contradictions in dogma, and one of

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their one of the most common objections I hear is that, oh,

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that's not ex cathedra. But I was reading in an

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Orthodox book last night that Vatican One says that Catholics

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still even have to follow non ex cathedral statements or

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things from the Pope.

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Speaker 19: Yes, I've made this argument for ten years straight.

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Speaker 8: Okay, I just want to clarify.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that was absolutely right.

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Speaker 13: There's five different places that say that in Capitolahama. So

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they're just they're just making up things that they think

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02:10:55,920 --> 02:10:58,479
are true that they hear some other pap apologists say,

2142
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which is total bull crap, right, And I.

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Speaker 2: Was there to see how they can never even really

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provide a list of Execathedra statements to its one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, right, all right, well, I.

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02:11:08,359 --> 02:11:09,479
Speaker 8: Just want to clarify run that by it.

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Speaker 13: Thanks man forciate again, and I'm glad that you got that.

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But that's an argument, a point we've been making for

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ten years straight. There is no place that tells you

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you only have to follow ex cathedral. In fact, that

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02:11:23,079 --> 02:11:27,760
position is condemned. I think it's even condemned in one

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02:11:27,800 --> 02:11:31,439
of the places is actually in castid canubi FOLLD. So

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02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:39,239
if you go to my video, I've listed them all

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underneath my video, it's called Catholics Imploding Vatican one. I

2155
02:12:01,760 --> 02:12:06,479
don't think this is it. I've shared it on Twitter.

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02:12:06,640 --> 02:12:06,880
Speaker 9: This is it.

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02:12:07,439 --> 02:12:08,920
Speaker 13: I'm sure it on Twitter a million times too.

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02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:10,760
Speaker 19: You get on here.

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02:12:13,359 --> 02:12:16,960
Speaker 13: Six documents proving that Catholics are bound by more than

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the so called ex cathedral savings, meaning Vatican two is

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also a dogma. Even if you argue, I mean, first

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02:12:25,159 --> 02:12:27,560
of all, it is dogmatic. But even if you argue that,

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02:12:27,720 --> 02:12:30,399
oh it's not ex cathedral whatever, it doesn't matter. You

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02:12:30,439 --> 02:12:32,520
still have to follow it. It's just they just make

2165
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up bull crap to make the position work. Canon seven

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fifty two of Catholic canon law says religious submission of

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02:12:43,640 --> 02:12:48,840
intellect and will must be given to all teachings, even

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if they are not a fallible But yeah, seven fifty

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two of their canon law C. Deliga Surpius the twelfth

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says obedience is necessary even if you think the pope's wrong. C.

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02:13:00,760 --> 02:13:06,279
Deligas Pies to twelve Cassie KANUBII one oh four, paragraph

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02:13:06,359 --> 02:13:11,079
one O four. You are bound by religious submission of

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02:13:11,119 --> 02:13:16,359
intellect and will to much more than merely extraordinary magisterium

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Cassie KNUBII one four. And then there's three more.

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Speaker 19: Right here.

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02:13:24,439 --> 02:13:27,720
Speaker 13: This is my video. Was Vatican two inbilable or Catholics imploding?

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Go to the description six examples disproving the complete nonsense,

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02:13:34,640 --> 02:13:37,359
made up position that you only have to follow what

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is ex cathedral. I have been arguing this since I

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was a Roman Catholic. This is one of the reasons

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02:13:45,239 --> 02:13:49,840
that I was not an SSPX. The SSPX position is

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premised on I can reject Vatican two in anything I

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02:13:53,279 --> 02:13:55,079
don't like from the Pope's post Vatican two.

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02:13:55,399 --> 02:13:56,039
Speaker 20: No, you can't.

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02:13:56,319 --> 02:13:59,840
Speaker 19: That makes you a schismatic. And even Lofton knows this,

2186
02:14:00,039 --> 02:14:01,159
even Lasting gets this right.

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02:14:02,640 --> 02:14:06,279
Speaker 13: But the whole position to make it work can't admit this.

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And once you do admit it, it means that run's false. Aaron,

2189
02:14:10,520 --> 02:14:10,880
what's up?

2190
02:14:24,039 --> 02:14:24,279
Speaker 19: Aaron?

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02:14:24,279 --> 02:14:24,840
Speaker 13: What's up on you?

2192
02:14:26,600 --> 02:14:27,319
Speaker 31: You was good?

2193
02:14:27,560 --> 02:14:29,000
Speaker 19: Hey, what's in your mind?

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02:14:30,239 --> 02:14:30,600
Speaker 12: Yay man?

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02:14:31,720 --> 02:14:39,119
Speaker 23: I'm Protestant and had a quick question for you. So

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what would you say to me as a Protestant? Uh,

2197
02:14:48,760 --> 02:14:52,600
what does the Protestant church or not Protestant church? What

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02:14:52,720 --> 02:14:55,399
do I, as a Protestant lack that.

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Speaker 40: Orthodoxy provides objectively the sacraments and grace historically the sacraments

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02:15:09,920 --> 02:15:13,279
and grace the actual church Protestism is not a church,

2201
02:15:13,319 --> 02:15:16,880
it's a Paris synagogue. Without aphostotic succession, you don't have

2202
02:15:16,920 --> 02:15:18,479
the church and you don't have the sacraments nor the

2203
02:15:18,560 --> 02:15:19,359
grace of the sacraments.

2204
02:15:21,720 --> 02:15:26,760
Speaker 31: Yeah, but I'm asking, so, is there like a historical.

2205
02:15:29,039 --> 02:15:34,680
Speaker 23: Demonstrative claim that Orthodoxy, that Orthodoxy possesses that.

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Speaker 3: Wow, if I stay a Protestant.

2207
02:15:38,800 --> 02:15:42,279
Speaker 13: I will have Yeah, Apostolic succession, which is the root

2208
02:15:42,439 --> 02:15:46,600
of the things that I listed like having the Eucharist,

2209
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having efficacious baptismal regeneration, et cetera. So I appreciate your call,

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02:15:52,880 --> 02:15:54,600
but those are the things to look into. Is the

2211
02:15:54,840 --> 02:15:58,640
historic church. So it's not just you and the Bible.

2212
02:16:00,600 --> 02:16:04,960
You got to have the regular celebration of the Eucharistic feast.

2213
02:16:09,479 --> 02:16:11,479
But it's also kind of hard to hear you too,

2214
02:16:11,640 --> 02:16:15,439
So lehman, what's up? I don't mind people calling in

2215
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:17,159
the calling from their car, but it's just hard to

2216
02:16:17,199 --> 02:16:22,960
hear sometimes. Notice guys here, Just to again stress that

2217
02:16:23,119 --> 02:16:27,279
last point Cassidy CANUBII, the very thing that Tim Gordon

2218
02:16:27,800 --> 02:16:29,800
and his buddy were heavily relying on.

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02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:34,639
Speaker 19: What does it say? Oh, paragraph one of four says

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02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:37,399
you are absolutely bound by more.

2221
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:41,680
Speaker 13: Than ex cathedra, and it doesn't matter what your private

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02:16:41,719 --> 02:16:50,479
opinions are, you submit to the Roman See. Anyone who

2223
02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:54,559
questions the guidance of the Roman Sea is relying on

2224
02:16:54,719 --> 02:16:57,040
their own presumed private judgments.

2225
02:16:59,760 --> 02:16:59,879
Speaker 22: Oh.

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02:17:01,000 --> 02:17:05,159
Speaker 13: That means every trad cat is a Protestant. According to

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02:17:05,440 --> 02:17:09,760
Cassidy canobe I, paragraph one oh four. Uh, what's up?

2228
02:17:09,959 --> 02:17:10,559
Speaker 19: Don Lemon?

2229
02:17:14,239 --> 02:17:14,479
Speaker 14: Hello?

2230
02:17:14,600 --> 02:17:14,799
Speaker 29: Hello?

2231
02:17:16,079 --> 02:17:18,600
Speaker 13: What's up? All right?

2232
02:17:18,719 --> 02:17:20,639
Speaker 14: Come from the Robotictant church?

2233
02:17:20,799 --> 02:17:23,239
Speaker 8: And I wanted to tell all the Catholics to go back.

2234
02:17:23,079 --> 02:17:29,399
Speaker 41: To Philio Queenie hut Junior. What you know how they

2235
02:17:29,479 --> 02:17:34,559
got how's that they got to Philly Oquay, they.

2236
02:17:34,559 --> 02:17:37,200
Speaker 13: Got the philio Queenie Hudt Junior. Let's go back to

2237
02:17:37,280 --> 02:17:38,120
their Catholics.

2238
02:17:39,440 --> 02:17:44,440
Speaker 19: Okay, I like it. We're getting full schizo level. Let's

2239
02:17:44,520 --> 02:17:44,719
do it.

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Speaker 13: Three hundred. What's up, hey, If y'all want to take

2241
02:17:52,319 --> 02:17:55,159
this stream into in the domain of full schitzo, we

2242
02:17:55,200 --> 02:17:57,200
can do it. We can do it.

2243
02:17:58,040 --> 02:17:58,559
Speaker 19: I don't mind.

2244
02:17:58,600 --> 02:18:01,680
Speaker 13: We can go full skitzo, dog, We've done it many times.

2245
02:18:01,719 --> 02:18:06,360
We can just start watching ghost videos, dude, freaking cameras

2246
02:18:06,440 --> 02:18:08,760
going around watching ghost fart and shit like trying to

2247
02:18:08,799 --> 02:18:11,879
figure out prove the supernatural ghost farting and stuff.

2248
02:18:11,920 --> 02:18:12,760
Speaker 19: Right, we all do it.

2249
02:18:12,840 --> 02:18:15,399
Speaker 13: We'll do Let's just go there if y'all want to,

2250
02:18:15,799 --> 02:18:18,680
I mean, you go back to the stream over here.

2251
02:18:19,479 --> 02:18:25,600
We went full schizo on one of these streams. Back

2252
02:18:25,639 --> 02:18:32,239
here where we go, we went full Skitzo. I can't

2253
02:18:32,239 --> 02:18:37,959
find it now, what's up, man, I'm mute. Here it

2254
02:18:38,040 --> 02:18:39,559
is right here, look at this. I put a buffy,

2255
02:18:41,280 --> 02:18:45,559
I put up a buffy Jewish queen some now or

2256
02:18:45,639 --> 02:18:49,079
there we went full skitzo right there, we went for

2257
02:18:49,239 --> 02:18:53,680
vampire cults to land between the lakes. Two ghost fart videos.

2258
02:18:53,719 --> 02:19:02,399
What's up, man, I'm mute? Three hundred All right, don't

2259
02:19:02,399 --> 02:19:02,799
I'm mute?

2260
02:19:03,000 --> 02:19:03,440
Speaker 19: Just sit there?

2261
02:19:03,520 --> 02:19:03,799
Speaker 13: Whatever?

2262
02:19:05,879 --> 02:19:08,280
Speaker 32: To the guy who was talking about the empirical stuff,

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02:19:09,159 --> 02:19:10,920
the ring are the rings in the trees?

2264
02:19:11,559 --> 02:19:13,840
Speaker 3: Was he there when the you you brought this up

2265
02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:14,440
he missed it?

2266
02:19:15,319 --> 02:19:18,000
Speaker 32: Or was he there when the tree was grown? Because

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02:19:18,040 --> 02:19:21,600
that would be the actual empirical evidence, not that data.

2268
02:19:22,719 --> 02:19:25,079
The data is not the empirical evidence exactly.

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02:19:25,360 --> 02:19:25,399
Speaker 12: No.

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02:19:25,600 --> 02:19:25,639
Speaker 3: That.

2271
02:19:25,719 --> 02:19:27,120
Speaker 19: I don't think people get that.

2272
02:19:27,319 --> 02:19:31,120
Speaker 13: They think that staring at the tree rings is the

2273
02:19:32,159 --> 02:19:35,719
pro I'm actually observing the entire life span of the tree.

2274
02:19:38,200 --> 02:19:41,760
You can deduce from the tree rings the years of

2275
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:43,760
the tree. That is not the same thing as you

2276
02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:49,479
observing the evolutionary process of a single cell organism turning

2277
02:19:49,559 --> 02:19:53,000
into tiktolic. Those are two different things, John, what's up?

2278
02:19:55,760 --> 02:19:56,239
Speaker 19: I'm mute,