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Speaker 4: If you all been his Flassic at pose.
Speaker 6: Journey continues, The Journey never ends. It's main season once again,
Speaker 6: and we thought it fitting here at the Lapsed Fan
Speaker 6: to bring you a TLF special report because the heel
Speaker 6: turn of John Cena back an elimination chamber was supposed
Speaker 6: to be one of those moments that calls out to
Speaker 6: lapsed fans, wasn't it, Boss?
Speaker 4: It was? Yes, indeed, it's it's the it's the moment
Speaker 4: that so many, so many lapse fans have been begging
Speaker 4: for since two thousand and five.
Speaker 6: And why why were they begging for it?
Speaker 4: Because because they hated John Cena, like the character, you know,
Speaker 4: because he gave up on the character that made him popular.
Speaker 4: He gave up or they made him give up on
Speaker 4: the character that made him popular, the rapper, and they
Speaker 4: turned him into this this goofball, childish, idiot atic, infantile babyface.
Speaker 6: It's been so funny to watch people forget that as
Speaker 6: he became the old Babe Ruth legend, you know, and
Speaker 6: suddenly it was like greatest hits, the stuff that originally
Speaker 6: turned people on him, We don't forget. That's that's that's
Speaker 6: where the lapsed fan.
Speaker 4: Listen, forget, listen, listen. If I had been if I
Speaker 4: had been in some of the events, I don't think
Speaker 4: we were ever at an event that he was scheduled
Speaker 4: to be at. Obviously he showed up last year Wrestlemanium.
Speaker 4: But if he had been at at at any other
Speaker 4: event that we have been live, I would have called
Speaker 4: people out on their bullshit. I would have reminded them
Speaker 4: that they're cheering this guy. They're considering him to be
Speaker 4: this this legend, this old time or this this babe ruth.
Speaker 4: He's done nothing different yet now they're cheering him when
Speaker 4: they boot him before when he was their savior. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I call your hypocrisy, I call your shit. I knew this.
Speaker 4: I knew this, I said to the people in two
Speaker 4: thousand and seven. Yes, and a listener knows. Yep.
Speaker 6: We were in the parking garage across the field from
Speaker 6: ford Field, across the street from ford Field. We're seen,
Speaker 6: of course, defeated Shawn Michaels in the main event of
Speaker 6: that show. And after we parked our car, we look
Speaker 6: down unto the assembled masses waiting to get into the venue. Yep,
Speaker 6: and what did you let him have? What did you
Speaker 6: let him here?
Speaker 4: I let them know that they that they are. You're
Speaker 4: cheering for Sean Michaels, but you don't really like Sewn Michaels.
Speaker 4: You need John Cena. John Cena is your savior. John
Speaker 4: Cena is why you're here, and you love him. You
Speaker 4: love him, you need him, you desire him. He is
Speaker 4: right where you want him to be.
Speaker 6: It's almost like we were writing the ideal John Cena
Speaker 6: turnheel promos way back in two thousand and seven. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 6: now is that what ended up happening. That is the
Speaker 6: focus of this TLF special report, brought to you in
Speaker 6: the spear of our WrestleMania run up coverage. Of course,
Speaker 6: we're back with you coming up this weekend on patreon
Speaker 6: dot com Slash the Lapsed Fan for a WrestleMania live call,
Speaker 6: a traditional live call, and that we're in the comfort
Speaker 6: of our homes. We're not in some fucking different time zone.
Speaker 6: Pretending to enjoy it as the discomforts of being live
Speaker 6: settle in.
Speaker 4: Not regretting, like leaving the hotel room to have to
Speaker 4: go be all attendance for this shit.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there is kind of a there is kind of
Speaker 6: a tug on the gut when you have to leave
Speaker 6: for night one. It's like, really, I'm going to take this.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to be back for like nine hours.
Speaker 4: I know, like you know it really one of the
Speaker 4: we really should I'll tell you what would be a
Speaker 4: fascinating experiment to go you know, whenever to go to
Speaker 4: a WrestleMania and go to night one but then spend
Speaker 4: night two in the hotel room and watching it. That
Speaker 4: might be a fun experiment. I know, the tickets, it's
Speaker 4: not like you get a discount on tickets if you
Speaker 4: do that. But still, indeed, I wouldn't care.
Speaker 6: It's I'm looking forward to it in a special way,
Speaker 6: of course, this being an Easter Sunday WrestleMania. Yeah, they
Speaker 6: kind of made the decision. We'll see who rises again,
Speaker 6: I know for us, but uh yeah, we thought it
Speaker 6: fitting because you know, the Sena Hill turn is supposed
Speaker 6: to be the Hogan ninety six, right, It's supposed to
Speaker 6: be one of the most impactful triggers you could pull.
Speaker 6: And they did it. And what was said? Did Sina
Speaker 6: and Cody rise to the occasion? Did they fulfill the promise?
Speaker 4: And here's and here's the thing. This is this is
Speaker 4: the honest to god truth. I've only seen one of
Speaker 4: the promos and that was the That was the first
Speaker 4: one I watched, the first promo. I don't think I
Speaker 4: saw the whole thing, and I haven't cared to go back. Now,
Speaker 4: when you say the first promo, you mean seen is first, Yes,
Speaker 4: when in Belgium. In Belgium, absolutely yes, which which is
Speaker 4: a problem in and of itself. Yes, God bless all
Speaker 4: of all the fine people of Belgium and all the
Speaker 4: great wrestling fans of Belgium will get to all that.
Speaker 4: But this is in true lapsed fashion to chronological march
Speaker 4: through pretty much every word Cody Rhodes and John Cena
Speaker 4: have said to each other on WWE television since that
Speaker 4: fateful heel turn at the elimination Chamber of pay per View.
Speaker 4: Now we know that was landmark because we were there
Speaker 4: recording for patrons one of the more memorable live calm
Speaker 4: moments ever. So let's set the stage. Let's get back
Speaker 4: into that skin. If we're going to determine if the
Speaker 4: John Cena Hill turn lived up to the potential boss,
Speaker 4: we do have to revisit that initial emotion, recollected and tranquil,
Speaker 4: absolutely truct like just somewhere else. He's somewhere else, He's danced.
Speaker 4: What was he doing, He's waving the thing all over himself.
Speaker 4: Oh Sage, he's burning Sage. Oh yeah, that's not Sage, pal,
Speaker 4: He's not burning Sage. Cody's still looking at him. What
Speaker 4: are the Look at his pants? Look at Dwayne's pants.
Speaker 4: I can't look at his pants? What are these bill bottoms?
Speaker 4: Rock steps back, smirks it. Scene is he is he
Speaker 4: like doing the production of Mama Mia. Rock is just
Speaker 4: standing there, Cody's standing there, scene is standing there? Are
Speaker 4: we waiting for something to happen? This time? Cody Media WrestleMania.
Speaker 4: They shaved with Scena Gonna. Scena gives us so the Dwayne.
Speaker 3: Wow Rock in the throat slash, say now look at
Speaker 3: his fast.
Speaker 7: Holy ship, holywood, wow boss the fucking heel.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's what we get for making fun of his
Speaker 4: bald spot. Look at Sena's face. Look at that. Now
Speaker 4: we can shave his head bald. He just kicked Cody
Speaker 4: and the balls. He grabbed his rolex and pops or
Speaker 4: is it nuts? I don't know what it is. I
Speaker 4: don't know what it is, but it's gold and they
Speaker 4: had a plan. Rock and Sena had a plan. It's
Speaker 4: his watch, his watch, yeah, wow, none, press knuckles, idiot,
Speaker 4: it's a watch is boom wow? Sina as a heel,
Speaker 4: he's doing it. Look at this, He's on a pushing
Speaker 4: him like a rabbit animal. He's going off. Santa Cina's
Speaker 4: got a mic. Hollywood say save it's the Hollywood connection
Speaker 4: to it. Hollywood gets Travis is down to liking it.
Speaker 4: Oh in the head with a live micro. Look at
Speaker 4: it the way Rock looks down like you made me
Speaker 4: do this. He's got that's his farewell tour, boss the
Speaker 4: scene a farewell tour. Loving this. I'm loving this. Listen,
Speaker 4: this is fucking McDonald's all right, I'm fucking loving it.
Speaker 4: Oh seeing a Crown's cody with the title Rock just
Speaker 4: stands there just like, look at it. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: look at he looks look at him, Hitler. Remember that.
Speaker 4: I do, I do remember that. What do you remember
Speaker 4: about it? I remember, I mean number one, it's the
Speaker 4: first swerve that I think really blew me over. Uh,
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess seeing Punk coming back was also
Speaker 4: kind of like that, But I think this was different.
Speaker 4: In a hole, you know, he kind of knew Sam
Speaker 4: Punk was coming back after all his eight A A
Speaker 4: E W bullshit, But you never really thought Seen was
Speaker 4: ever going to turn turn heel. You never thought that
Speaker 4: was going to happen. And I remember it was so
Speaker 4: it left such a mark on me that all I
Speaker 4: wanted was follow up, that's that's a rare thing for
Speaker 4: them to achieve these days, it is, and that all
Speaker 4: I wanted was like I I I think I talked
Speaker 4: about this that I even went the next morning. I
Speaker 4: even decided, as I was getting you know, my kid
Speaker 4: ready to go out for school, to go to school,
Speaker 4: I I decided that I'm gonna even watch the press conference.
Speaker 4: I've never watched one of those fucking scrums or whatever
Speaker 4: they call it, you know after after the show where
Speaker 4: Triple H goes out there and and jerks off on
Speaker 4: all these reporters. But but I said, you know what
Speaker 4: I got. I need something out of this. I needed
Speaker 4: I need to know a little more. I need some
Speaker 4: kind of you know whatever. Yeah, it never happened, it's
Speaker 4: not in the only time it's ever happened. I think
Speaker 4: is is when a WrestleMania has happened. And then I've
Speaker 4: done that, like I I know that I've I've I've
Speaker 4: searched wrestle like the day after WrestleMania, have some something
Speaker 4: kind of monumental has happened, or you know they that
Speaker 4: I know that, or something that some kind of twist
Speaker 4: at the end. I've gone to see if there's been
Speaker 4: any kind of report on it or like a you know,
Speaker 4: a post wrestling a podcast or something like that. But
Speaker 4: that's it. But this was like, I've never been so
Speaker 4: invested in anything wrestling honestly to this point in a
Speaker 4: long time, long time.
Speaker 6: I was ten years of laps. We've been saying the
Speaker 6: Boss Index tells you that if Boss needs it, if
Speaker 6: Boss is dialed in and he needs more, that means
Speaker 6: they have struck gold, that they are onto something. But
Speaker 6: here we are just you know what, forty eight hours
Speaker 6: away from night one of Wrestlingania yep, and you don't
Speaker 6: need it.
Speaker 4: No, No, I'll tell you that I was. I was
Speaker 4: turned off. Number one. I was turned off that. Listen.
Speaker 4: I stand by what I said. We're going to get
Speaker 4: to that to please go the uh you know, the
Speaker 4: idea of not showing Sena until WrestleMania. Let's let's set
Speaker 4: that stage because you know we we of course got
Speaker 4: together in the interim and we did a long car
Speaker 4: ride together and you ruined it. You ruined it because
Speaker 4: what you did was propose a series of touches they
Speaker 4: could have done to come off of this thing, to
Speaker 4: maintain that curiosity, to maintain that sense of what's going
Speaker 4: to happen, to maintain that sense of something revolutionary truly
Speaker 4: being underway, to keep that sort of Paul that was
Speaker 4: cast over Nitro after Hogan turned alive for weeks and months,
Speaker 4: to be able to really sort of turn the whole
Speaker 4: mood of the show over to something that has happened,
Speaker 4: that is this monumental Do they have the nuts to
Speaker 4: do that? And you laid out a series of touches
Speaker 4: that could have perhaps brought the scene a thing to
Speaker 4: that level. And I'm sitting there hearing what you're outlining
Speaker 4: and bouncing other ideas off of you. And by the
Speaker 4: time we were done talking about it, there was no
Speaker 4: other way they could have booked the John cena Hill
Speaker 4: turn to optimize other than what we came up with,
Speaker 4: which is what happens. And they could have and all
Speaker 4: they could have done, honest to God, is done one
Speaker 4: of the things. If they done one of the things
Speaker 4: that we suggested, well, they talked about virtual buffet for Paulovek.
Speaker 4: If we had done, if even one one simple idea,
Speaker 4: and one of them, there's one that there's no excuse for. Honestly,
Speaker 4: and again, I've only seen one promo I've only seen
Speaker 4: and not even the whole thing, like I said before,
Speaker 4: but they have he cannot come out with his same attire.
Speaker 6: I mean, the most basic one. They whiffed on the
Speaker 6: most basic one. And I know they tried to get cute,
Speaker 6: and they tried to pretend that they were actually responding
Speaker 6: to that and playing off of that and making Seena
Speaker 6: even more of a heel because he won't change how
Speaker 6: he looks for you. What a stupid idea? What I
Speaker 6: I hope I fucking hope that they didn't do this
Speaker 6: because they wanted to be able to sell uh you know,
Speaker 6: Sina World Tour, Scotland seen a World Tour, fucking Belgium
Speaker 6: shirts that they already had in production. Because that's the
Speaker 6: only thing I can think of. And if that's the reason,
Speaker 6: shame on them, because they they know what they should have.
Speaker 4: Done, still sell them. Why can't you still sell that shit?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 6: But as he walked out there and talked about how defiant,
Speaker 6: how he was defiant and not changing his look, I
Speaker 6: couldn't help but notice the flag of the country they
Speaker 6: happened to be in during this European tour that they
Speaker 6: were on on his fucking hat and the colors of
Speaker 6: that nation's flag on the on the shirt. They did
Speaker 6: in UK, they did it in Scotland, they did it
Speaker 6: in Belgium, and I, you know, I have to think
Speaker 6: that this heel turn the truth will come out someday.
Speaker 6: Was a last minute adjustment, you know that there was
Speaker 6: no real plan once they decided it was Cody and
Speaker 6: Sena at WrestleMania for Sena to come in as this
Speaker 6: as this heel that the what happened in Elimination Chamber
Speaker 6: was pitched. Triple A just talked about it in some
Speaker 6: interviews since he sort of outlined how he had the conversation,
Speaker 6: how he put it to Sena, how he's talking and
Speaker 6: talking and talking, and how Sina when you really are
Speaker 6: pitching something to him tends to be very quiet and
Speaker 6: listen for a very long time and then come back
Speaker 6: with a response that kind of casts the die. And
Speaker 6: in this case, scene was like, I like it because
Speaker 6: it was you know, it was a challenge. It was
Speaker 6: him not not mailing it in in his final life
Speaker 6: farewell tool right, which is great, but he didn't speak
Speaker 6: to his timeline. To me, what always matters in wrestling
Speaker 6: is when when when when when when? Because that's the
Speaker 6: question they do not want to answer because that reveals
Speaker 6: that there was conflict, that someone lost in the battle,
Speaker 6: and the fact that we haven't seen the Rock once
Speaker 6: since engineering that moment we displayed back to you in Toronto,
Speaker 6: an elimination Chamber says at all, if you or if
Speaker 6: you're wondering, really does in his absence, his absence, as
Speaker 6: we'll get to, in my opinion, has significantly hurt what
Speaker 6: it was they said in motion an elimination Chamber. I
Speaker 6: don't know if Sena and Cody got together and said,
Speaker 6: you know, we're going to box Rock out of this thing,
Speaker 6: because after a week, as we'll get to, they stopped
Speaker 6: mentioning him. They kind of brought him up again recently.
Speaker 6: But whatever the decision was to put Rock into the background,
Speaker 6: maybe it's maybe he's filming Jumanji three. Sure, I'm sure
Speaker 6: wherever he's filming. They knew he was going to be
Speaker 6: filming when they put him front and center in that
Speaker 6: heel turn angle at elimination Chamber. But you know, because
Speaker 6: that that was the accelerant that you needed, That that
Speaker 6: was the Hall and Nash to the Hogan. Yes, that
Speaker 6: was the X factor that came along that finally pushed
Speaker 6: the superhero to the dark side. Right, those were the
Speaker 6: agents of chaos at Travis Scott if you want to
Speaker 6: throw him in there too as well, he'll be at WrestleMania,
Speaker 6: so I'm sure there'll be some moment. Cody has made
Speaker 6: reference in interviews to wanting to get a receipt on
Speaker 6: Travis Scott, who legitimately busted his ear drum during the
Speaker 6: beatdown that occurred after that. Oh yeah, we'll see some
Speaker 6: bruising on Cody's face in the first promos he cuts
Speaker 6: after the elimination chamber here in a moment. But all
Speaker 6: of that said, you're sitting there booking this out, and
Speaker 6: for the benefit of those who might not have caught
Speaker 6: the episodes where we talked about this, we're heading into WrestleMania.
Speaker 6: It's worth revisiting totally. You talked about the look. Please
Speaker 6: lay it all out. How do you do it?
Speaker 4: Number Number one? Number one, he has to look completely different.
Speaker 4: Any resemblance to John Senior that we've seen since two
Speaker 4: thousand and two is it destroys the.
Speaker 6: Whole thing destroys and that is not an exaggeration. No,
Speaker 6: it is a non starter. It is as if Hulk
Speaker 6: Hogan continued to wear yellow and red after drowning the
Speaker 6: exactly Listen, I'm telling you right now. The reason, the
Speaker 6: reason I didn't follow up with any of the other
Speaker 6: promos had nothing to do with what he said, had
Speaker 6: to do with the that he came out with the
Speaker 6: same fucking look. And I'm like, fuck this, that's what
Speaker 6: that's That's why I didn't watch it. He should have come.
Speaker 6: I was going to sell out. It's going to be
Speaker 6: a record revenue.
Speaker 4: But it won't be. It could have been he got
Speaker 4: you gotta say it. He should have shaved his head
Speaker 4: bald and he should have grown a full beard. Wow.
Speaker 4: And I sent you a picture of a photoshop version
Speaker 4: of what I what I envision did And why is
Speaker 4: it so important that he do that as far as
Speaker 4: the beard in the bald, because it just you need
Speaker 4: to start from scratch. You need to erase any sort
Speaker 4: of any sort of connection with the previous incarnation of
Speaker 4: John Cena. It's going to be totally different. Why because
Speaker 4: because because I don't I don't know. All I can
Speaker 4: think of the writer's room here. Yeah, he's asked me.
Speaker 4: He's asked me, why is he going to do that?
Speaker 4: Because fans shouldn't recognize him. This should be the real
Speaker 4: John Cena in a way, this should be what he
Speaker 4: truly looks like. I'm the inside, That's what it should be.
Speaker 4: It's it's because you know, it's simple enough, like honestly, Hogan,
Speaker 4: Yes he had the completed tire change, but even the
Speaker 4: stupid fucking painted on beard made a huge difference, Yes,
Speaker 4: in how we perceived Hulk Hogan. Okay, so simple, and
Speaker 4: I think that this is this is Hollywood John Cena.
Speaker 4: This is what we need to see. We need to
Speaker 4: see Hollywood John Cena. A John Cena that completely embraces
Speaker 4: like that smarminess of his Hollywood world, wearing the three
Speaker 4: piece suits.
Speaker 6: And a John Cena just like you say, who now
Speaker 6: has made enough of a name for himself outside of wrestling. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and kind of dined with kings and queens in the
Speaker 6: elite in Hollywood to where he can actually look at
Speaker 6: these people and go, I don't have to do this anymore.
Speaker 6: I don't have to carry on this front anymore. Not
Speaker 6: that you people never respected me, No, I never respect
Speaker 6: to do that because now now I have the license
Speaker 6: to be able to express this without losing my livelihood
Speaker 6: or losing my my pole positions.
Speaker 4: He he he declared his his retirement tour. He said,
Speaker 4: this is it. So I got no need I got
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not I'm not out there hoping that
Speaker 4: you'll you'll pay for a next show. I'm not out
Speaker 4: in there out there hoping that you know, you'll you'll
Speaker 4: still like me. This is it. I'm done, and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go out of my terms and I say fuck
Speaker 4: you all.
Speaker 6: And and does that foreclose on where they're inevitably going
Speaker 6: by the end of twenty twenty five where he sees
Speaker 6: the light again and turns babyface for the for the
Speaker 6: for the final chapter, if he goes that far, can
Speaker 6: he do that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course he can. People will want that. People
Speaker 4: will want that, people will want him to to to
Speaker 4: see the light, you know, the only way he should
Speaker 4: redeem himself at some point he should he should have
Speaker 4: and and honestly it should have been all rock Honestly
Speaker 4: that that's that's the I'm shocked that that something. I mean,
Speaker 4: obviously it happens and Dwayne just comes and goes as
Speaker 4: he pleases, but it should have you know that that
Speaker 4: should have led to Honestly, it should have led to
Speaker 4: a scene a rock match that that culminated in this
Speaker 4: And we had seen a rock three, you know, we
Speaker 4: had that. We finally got the rubber match. And it's
Speaker 4: it's so it's so simple, and uh, you know, he
Speaker 4: should have come out he the first time we see him.
Speaker 4: He should come out he's bald, full beard, three piece
Speaker 4: suit like he wears. And I know I've I've heard
Speaker 4: criticism about the Cody thing. Listen, I don't think one
Speaker 4: anyone can wear a suit and it works. You know,
Speaker 4: it works. You don't need to be just this one
Speaker 4: person saying. I mean, like, like you know, that's the thing.
Speaker 4: You know, if and if what it should be is
Speaker 4: that if co he's wearing whatever suit, Let's say he's
Speaker 4: wearing I don't know, I don't I don't know, you know,
Speaker 4: designers or anything like that. I'll just all just say it,
Speaker 4: like if he's wearing like a sure and then SCENEA
Speaker 4: should be wearing like an Armani shit on Ourmani suit.
Speaker 6: If you think something like that, Sena and Cody face
Speaker 6: to face, both wearing suits is less money than Cody
Speaker 6: wearing a suit and Sena dressed like a fourteen year old.
Speaker 6: I don't even know what to tell.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean because also they can be different colors,
Speaker 4: like Cody seems to always wear light gray suits, right,
Speaker 4: not what he mostly wears. No, no, he wears all shades. Okay,
Speaker 4: well I would say for this program he should wear
Speaker 4: to make a difference, if you really, if you want
Speaker 4: to make a difference, he should wear, like some a
Speaker 4: lighter gray suit and Sina should wear a darker suit.
Speaker 4: And the point isn't that they look the same. The
Speaker 4: point is Seena is wearing a suit, Sina wearing a
Speaker 4: suit as a heel. We saw it on Total bellas
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 6: And also, let's be honest, John Cena, who thinks he's
Speaker 6: like we see he graduated into some higher level of
Speaker 6: ass and consciousness is impossible to like. Yes, and that's
Speaker 6: he's never put that on WWT. Frustrating to watch as
Speaker 6: a human, yes, correct, right? When you watch when struggle
Speaker 6: him to try to be a human motivation calendar, you
Speaker 6: know those things you put on the wall, it's say
Speaker 6: character or a picture of a whale. He wants to
Speaker 6: be the human body the embodiment if that's some point
Speaker 6: on the line. Some PR analytics, some PR consultant convinced
Speaker 6: him that that's the way forward. And that's when he
Speaker 6: started with those motivational tweets and stuff like he's trying
Speaker 6: to sell me energy supplements or something, or trying to
Speaker 6: sell me, uh, you know, some kind of vitamin or
Speaker 6: or some kind of liver that I have to eat
Speaker 6: six times a day. It's like, dude, like stop, Like,
Speaker 6: no one's turning to you for motivation. Just be John
Speaker 6: Cena that he saw in himself the need to do
Speaker 6: that is heal. It's obnoxious, and so he's not going there.
Speaker 4: He's not. He's not.
Speaker 6: He's not like you said, he's not coming out and
Speaker 6: saying all along, I was kind of rolling my eyes
Speaker 6: at what worked, you know, not not not that you hate,
Speaker 6: not that you rejected me. That's not why I'm turning heel.
Speaker 6: I'm turning heel because finally I'm in a position in
Speaker 6: my life where I don't have to be this fucking
Speaker 6: clown anymore and I can truly express how better I am.
Speaker 4: Then, And he could also do the whole thing. You know,
Speaker 4: he had to cater to the you know, he did
Speaker 4: the same thing in a way Hogan had to do.
Speaker 4: Or he's he's kissing the babies, you know, he's like
Speaker 4: he's catering, he's doing the make a wish things like
Speaker 4: how great would it have been if he if he
Speaker 4: just if he said I fucking hated doing all that shit?
Speaker 6: Right, Instead, he comes out and says, I've been in
Speaker 6: an abusive relationship with you, the fans.
Speaker 4: I mean again, you know what again? I could I
Speaker 4: could deal with that. I could deal with that. If
Speaker 4: he changed his look, I could deal with I could
Speaker 4: deal with with with with his sentiments about about dealing
Speaker 4: like having been abused by the fans. If he just
Speaker 4: came out looking different.
Speaker 6: But if I can see your socks, the top of
Speaker 6: your socks, it's a non starter.
Speaker 4: Right, if you're wearing shorts that go below your knees.
Speaker 4: I'm not happy and we kicked it a I thought
Speaker 4: maybe it could work that he came out with, like,
Speaker 4: you know, shin high dark black shorts. I don't know
Speaker 4: he struggled.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I still don't know what he what he could have
Speaker 4: wrestled as I mean, I'll just say I've made versions
Speaker 4: of him in in the in my game to just
Speaker 4: get an idea as to what he could look like
Speaker 4: as a heel wrestler, because it just you can't wear
Speaker 4: the shorts. You can't wear the jorts right as as
Speaker 4: a heel wrestler. And what else did we talk about?
Speaker 4: We talked about how long you can wait before you
Speaker 4: lay eyes on him.
Speaker 6: That's the key thing. And I'm sorry I noticed it.
Speaker 6: I paid attention. I didn't. I didn't have my finger
Speaker 6: on the pulse every second of my life. But as
Speaker 6: soon as he showed up, it was downhill. It wasn't
Speaker 6: it didn't crash out. But I'll tell you people were
Speaker 6: more interested in him when he wasn't on team.
Speaker 4: Course, of course, because people are. I think too. I
Speaker 4: think people were expecting something different. That was the key.
Speaker 4: People wanted to see something different. And the moment you
Speaker 4: see that again, I think, I think so much could
Speaker 4: have been saved. Again, I don't know how bad it
Speaker 4: actually got, but I think, from what you're telling me,
Speaker 4: so much could have been saved if he looked different.
Speaker 4: We said the same thing about Roman reigns for years,
Speaker 4: for years. Second he switched the look up. He was
Speaker 4: one of the biggest money players they've ever had. Yep,
Speaker 4: and he turned heel too. You know, all these things
Speaker 4: that we that we we talked about and it became
Speaker 4: the biggest, the biggest thing in wrestling in in years.
Speaker 6: And I watch him back that they did like the
Speaker 6: seth Rollins Roman Reigns Rivalries documentary thing on Ane and
Speaker 6: they're showing Roman in those years that he was struggling
Speaker 6: to be accepted as the you know, the company chosen
Speaker 6: babyface and he looked so goofy. He had like the
Speaker 6: thin side burns. At a point on the side, he
Speaker 6: had just a goateee with no full beard. He had
Speaker 6: like contacts that colored his eyes differently than asshole.
Speaker 4: He had the flak.
Speaker 6: Vest everywhere he went like, who's gonna wear a vest
Speaker 6: like that and be a world champion?
Speaker 4: What are you guys doing? What's gonna take off of him?
Speaker 4: You're a idiot.
Speaker 6: Second, we took it off, the fucking and let grew
Speaker 6: the beard out. The registers started firing like, come on, guys,
Speaker 6: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: It's it's simple. It's simple. Sid said it all the time.
Speaker 4: It's real simple. So Sina, you know, okay. One of
Speaker 4: the other brilliant things we talked about in my opinion,
Speaker 4: and I guess this isn't possible now that we realize
Speaker 4: that Rock wasn't quite as central to all of this
Speaker 4: as we may have been led to believe after that
Speaker 4: first angle is Rock does a lot of the talking
Speaker 4: for John Rock should have been again, I believe, to
Speaker 4: really make this into a killer program and really make
Speaker 4: John Cena into this, like you know, really get the
Speaker 4: uh the interest factor up is that you promise Sena
Speaker 4: and you get Rock instead several times, right, and and
Speaker 4: Rock says, you know, he comes out and who wha
Speaker 4: wha wha who whoa who who whoa whoa whoa.
Speaker 3: Whoaoa, My man is out of here.
Speaker 4: Yet he's not coming out, you know, like you just
Speaker 4: you tease it and you say, you know, he says
Speaker 4: he's going to come out, and he never comes out.
Speaker 4: He never comes out, and it's Rock the whole time.
Speaker 4: And listen, I know that that would get old pretty fast,
Speaker 4: which is why you have to do it only like
Speaker 4: two or three times, right, all right, every other week, yeah,
Speaker 4: two or three times.
Speaker 6: He had this European tour and you know that they
Speaker 6: penciled in before they decided seen it was turning heel.
Speaker 6: So this is going to be seen as last time
Speaker 6: in these European cities, and they wanted to market that
Speaker 6: and merchandise that, and they didn't have the courage to
Speaker 6: sacrifice that to make this as good as a case.
Speaker 4: I just didn't have the courage. Yeah, that's my that's that.
Speaker 4: I agree with you. That's the biggest that's it's so pathetic.
Speaker 4: It's pathetic.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: I heard Triple A turning interview say, you know, I
Speaker 6: just wish fans would stop being critics and just be fans.
Speaker 6: And I'm thinking to myself, Hey, trips, Okay, once you
Speaker 6: grow up to be like fucking ten years old, the
Speaker 6: only thing that keeps you a wrestling fan is being
Speaker 6: a critic of it.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 6: As soon as you realize it's all phony, blogey nonsense
Speaker 6: and that these guys aren't tough as far as like
Speaker 6: real fighters compared to UFC, you stop caring about the business.
Speaker 4: That way.
Speaker 6: The only reason you have thirty forty year long fans
Speaker 6: is because they become critics and they become interested in
Speaker 6: the behind the scenes. They're so don't look exactly, so
Speaker 6: don't be looking that gift horse in the mouth. Don't
Speaker 6: give me that shit, Like that's not half the reason
Speaker 6: you're where you're at by understanding the psychology of the
Speaker 6: critic more than the fan. Give me a fucking break.
Speaker 6: So here we are, here, we are fantasy booking in
Speaker 6: your face, and what are you going to do about it?
Speaker 6: Besides absolutely nothing? So here's Rock and he's not He's
Speaker 6: obviously not available sufficiently to pull this off, which really
Speaker 6: begs the question, why do we have anything to do
Speaker 6: with Rock and imglimination Chamber? Can we just kick Cody
Speaker 6: and the balls and go off on his own?
Speaker 4: Something to do with it? Well? Even more so, what
Speaker 4: do you do if you're not going to be on TV?
Speaker 4: I mean unless something crazy came up at the last minute,
Speaker 4: But I can't imagine that he could manufacture safe Like
Speaker 4: why even do the whole Cody thing? Like what what's
Speaker 4: the point of that? We questioned, like we thought there
Speaker 4: was we thought that there was a reason. Finally with
Speaker 4: the whole johnsona Hill turn, and it's like it actually
Speaker 4: made sense and it kind of for a moment, for
Speaker 4: a brief second, forgave all that Rock shit. I then
Speaker 4: I am not going to be fooled okay into thinking
Speaker 4: that just because they figured out a way to make
Speaker 4: it seem like this was the plan all along, that
Speaker 4: it was the plan all along.
Speaker 6: I respect, I respect the craftsmanship of coming up with
Speaker 6: something where it's like, let's actually take the time to
Speaker 6: tie up loose ends here and let's try to make
Speaker 6: this seem like this is actually a natural extension of
Speaker 6: four other things we just threw out there because we
Speaker 6: knew Dwayne could make the show. And when Dwayne shows up,
Speaker 6: he writes all of his stuff, and anything anybody else
Speaker 6: had in mind for him just disappears. And they take
Speaker 6: the time to try to reverse engineer and make all
Speaker 6: the dots connect, which is good. I prefer they do
Speaker 6: that then not do that. But that is not the
Speaker 6: same as them launching a master plan and Rock giving
Speaker 6: us this line of like, you know, just let it
Speaker 6: play out and know your role and shut your mouth.
Speaker 6: It's like, we've seen him flail, We've seen him directionless
Speaker 6: before the crowd. We've seen him do things that if
Speaker 6: this was the plan all along visa VI Cody on
Speaker 6: the first Netflix Raw, that he never would have done.
Speaker 6: He's just you know, he knew he pinned Cody last year, right, right,
Speaker 6: that's where all this discussion starts.
Speaker 4: Why did he do that?
Speaker 6: And the answer to that does not comport with where
Speaker 6: they went, And the answer to that is he is
Speaker 6: going to wrestle Cody at WrestleMania this year.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 6: Meltzer recently reported that around August, Rock's management kind of
Speaker 6: made the call to WWE that Rock wouldn't be able
Speaker 6: to do the match against Cody this year. Now, that
Speaker 6: doesn't mean that Rock doesn't see something bubbling and want
Speaker 6: to be part of it, especially in vague Gus home
Speaker 6: base for TKO in a lot of ways, and this
Speaker 6: big Allegiance stadium to night or remember when all this
Speaker 6: is going on, we still thought WrestleMania was going to
Speaker 6: be in Minneapolis this year. And if you think Rock
Speaker 6: was excited about doing WrestleMania in Minneapolis, you don't know Rock.
Speaker 6: So here he is as it becomes Vegas, and all
Speaker 6: of a sudden, it's this big fucking you know, tourism
Speaker 6: bureau play or whatever it is they're negotiating over there,
Speaker 6: and this is my read, and he's like, you know,
Speaker 6: actually I need to insinuate myself here.
Speaker 4: This is too hot.
Speaker 6: So he comes back on that SmackDown in New Orleans,
Speaker 6: announces that WRESTLEMANI to be a New Orleans next year
Speaker 6: and gets that Glory is the is the board member,
Speaker 6: and then shifts to the guy that wants Cody's soul.
Speaker 6: It's like, where the fuck is this coming from? Exactly,
Speaker 6: it's just him saying, I want to have something to
Speaker 6: do with WrestleMania, even if I'm not wrestling Cody. He
Speaker 6: said in the post show press conference after that SmackDown.
Speaker 6: You know, we think of different ways of telling stories.
Speaker 6: I work closely with Paul and it doesn't always Why
Speaker 6: does it always have to end in a match?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: I don't know, Rock, because that's the only reason anybody
Speaker 6: cares about the wrestling business. Maybe that's why, because if
Speaker 6: there's no match, then it's it's Vince Rusou nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 6: Nitro and you know it. Anyway, it was still, you know,
Speaker 6: interesting stuff what he was doing with Cody and they
Speaker 6: came up with this elimination chamber thing. It's like, great, well,
Speaker 6: Rock's locked in to at least be part of the
Speaker 6: scenery through WrestleMania, which is great. That's hugely additive. They
Speaker 6: did that when he was the guest host for the
Speaker 6: Sena Miss Wrestlemanian. It was a huge success. That fucking
Speaker 6: match dies without Rock's involvement. So that's a role that
Speaker 6: can be very viable to make a WrestleMania feel special.
Speaker 6: But whatever happened, I don't know what it is. Meltzer
Speaker 6: said some cryptic things about how you know my takeaway,
Speaker 6: and I think the takeaway he wanted people to have
Speaker 6: without directly saying it is that Cody and Sina went
Speaker 6: out there when they were first face to face and
Speaker 6: didn't mention Rock, and Rock may have expected them to,
Speaker 6: may have expected them to keep him alive as part
Speaker 6: of this story, and purposely decided between the two that
Speaker 6: we're going to de emphasize Rock and we're not even
Speaker 6: going to talk about him as being a reason that
Speaker 6: we're butting heads, and we're going to come up with
Speaker 6: this story where it was. It was always going to
Speaker 6: come down to this between us. You know, it was
Speaker 6: always about who the quarterback of WW is and our
Speaker 6: history when seen it was the top guy and Cody
Speaker 6: was the young boy and all that shit stupid. We'll see,
Speaker 6: we'll see how, We'll see how it hits, how it
Speaker 6: hits you, but just because you know, we can grade
Speaker 6: it for what it is without there being a umpteeth
Speaker 6: better idea not happening coloring that that decision. It was
Speaker 6: actually one of the honestly best uses of Rock, you know,
Speaker 6: since last WrestleMania.
Speaker 4: I was like, this is great. I again, I didn't
Speaker 4: think that at the beginning, but I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: Once the heel turn happened, I was like, this is
Speaker 4: a great use of him where he can perfect, he
Speaker 4: can play at this Hollywood thing like, it's so great.
Speaker 4: They're in the same he was forced into. Remember he
Speaker 4: was forced in a turn. You know, he's the tag
Speaker 4: team situation last year. He wanted It was clear they
Speaker 4: thought Russelman forty Rock Roman, we can get the people
Speaker 4: to want that. They had that big family tree thing
Speaker 4: on the screen when they did the Las Vegas press
Speaker 4: conference and people shout all over that, and then it
Speaker 4: took the turn that it did. But that tree was
Speaker 4: drawn up for a reason. That tree was drawn up
Speaker 4: because they wanted to tell the story of the Samoa
Speaker 4: dynasty collision and the true tribal chief, which got a
Speaker 4: huge reaction. Went on the first raw of last year
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, he mentioned or should I try to
Speaker 4: should I try to sit at the head of the table,
Speaker 4: and everyone went ape shit. But when it came right
Speaker 4: down to it and they realized that this is going
Speaker 4: to get in the way of Cody having a chance
Speaker 4: to finish the story, they picked Cody finishing the story
Speaker 4: and he had to and credit to the credit to
Speaker 4: Dwayne for this, he had to kind of define himself
Speaker 4: down a bit. It was about Cody and Roman and
Speaker 4: Cody winning the belt, and he can find a place there,
Speaker 4: but it's not going to be about him and Roman
Speaker 4: and subjecting Cody to a match with Seth for the
Speaker 4: secondary world title, which clearly was on the drawing board
Speaker 4: at one point. Anyway, that's all ancient history, but it
Speaker 4: is relevant here because that's kind of the pretext. Rock
Speaker 4: Is already tried to try to bulldoze into a certain
Speaker 4: position and got rejected, and the fans just said no, Like,
Speaker 4: if you do this, it's gonna be a fucking nightmare.
Speaker 4: And all anyone's gonna talk about is Cody the whole
Speaker 4: time while you try to make us care about Rock Roman.
Speaker 4: And then we come through it this year and I
Speaker 4: feel like he tried to find a way to be
Speaker 4: a babyface to Cody so that he could do something else,
Speaker 4: execute something else without friction. Remember he made up with
Speaker 4: Cody on that disastrous and stupid thing where Cody stood
Speaker 4: literally in the crowd while Rock praised him, Like why
Speaker 4: why Cody wrote the WB champion standing in the audience? Successful?
Speaker 6: So weird are and their friends and they're drinking Teamana
Speaker 6: and all that, and then he comes back with this
Speaker 6: new one of like, actually, I.
Speaker 4: Want your soul because I'm the real boss.
Speaker 6: He's the real boss, by the way, you know, why
Speaker 6: isn't he doing anything about this this Cody's seen this
Speaker 6: scene a thing.
Speaker 4: Why isn't he insinuating himself in some way if he's
Speaker 4: the boss?
Speaker 6: But yeah, that's a whole string of it, and it's
Speaker 6: it's relevant because as you were saying, and I agree
Speaker 6: wholeheartedly that if Dwayne was the driving force of this thing,
Speaker 6: and we heard very little from Sena, if anything from Sena,
Speaker 6: that's the money, yep.
Speaker 4: Because to me, the I mean the the the end
Speaker 4: game should be. You know, hopefully I would like to
Speaker 4: see Cody and Dwayne go at it. I think that
Speaker 4: would be great. I think that should I should have
Speaker 4: a big money match. I think it'd be great, and
Speaker 4: I think, you know, I think what would be great too?
Speaker 4: If you're asking me. Sena gets Sena. Sena sees the
Speaker 4: light end of the year. He and he and Dwayne
Speaker 4: face off in the main event of whatever pay per view.
Speaker 4: Dwaine beats him. Wow in his in his in his
Speaker 4: go home match. Wow, that's what you do, right, you
Speaker 4: put over you know, you lay down when you're when
Speaker 4: you're when you're heading out right, So he should do
Speaker 4: And then Dwayne becomes this ruthless killer going after Cody Codins.
Speaker 6: Just you know, Roctus is not in a position to
Speaker 6: commit like that to wrestling. It's very clear by now,
Speaker 6: like he needs so much, it's so weird, Like, then
Speaker 6: don't do it? Then why are you on the fucking board?
Speaker 4: Like why why? That's the thing, Like, we're not going
Speaker 4: to begrudge you if you don't do it. But these
Speaker 4: half steps nobody did, nobody, nobody cares that you weren't there.
Speaker 4: But the half steps revealed that he can't. He just
Speaker 4: can't stand being on the sideline. That that's why wrestling is,
Speaker 4: you know. Kim Wood talked about it right. Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: why wrestling is the tiger, because no matter how much
Speaker 4: money a Hogan makes, a Rock makes, a Sina makes,
Speaker 4: they're all back at the table. They're all back at
Speaker 4: the table because they need it. Brock, that's right. These
Speaker 4: people should be gone. These people should not care about
Speaker 4: the wrestling business another day in their lives. Even see
Speaker 4: him punk the money he's made. But the only thing
Speaker 4: that makes them feel worth it, and the only thing
Speaker 4: that makes them feel alive is succeeding in this the
Speaker 4: first business to intoxicate them, the first business to give
Speaker 4: them a taste stardom and to give them a kind
Speaker 4: of a suite of ops basically of people that they
Speaker 4: need to outmaneuver to really feel good about themselves.
Speaker 6: You know, it's like they can't. They want the politics,
Speaker 6: you know, they want to They want to walk into
Speaker 6: the lions Den and still command the most attention and
Speaker 6: still get the biggest paydays, and still be in the
Speaker 6: biggest matches. And it excites them not just to do
Speaker 6: it on screen, but to do what it takes behind
Speaker 6: the scenes.
Speaker 4: Reality challenged. Thank you.
Speaker 6: So let's start our march through how we got here,
Speaker 6: and let's give an honest assessment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm ready. How would all play down? I'm excited
Speaker 4: as much as you can be, as much as you
Speaker 4: can be, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 6: And I think that's that's actually a really good way
Speaker 6: to describe WRESTLINGIA this year in most years. So let's
Speaker 6: talk about something that happened that I think really was
Speaker 6: a promising first step. It might surprise you that we're
Speaker 6: not going to start necessarily with anything John Cena or
Speaker 6: Cody Road said. We're actually going to start with something
Speaker 6: CM Punk said at the very beginning of the first
Speaker 6: raw night after the elimination chamber. It was it was incredible.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: They cut to the back at the very top of
Speaker 6: the episode and it's it's CM Punk if you can
Speaker 6: grab boss the link I just sent you pulling up
Speaker 6: in his truck in the parking lot of the arena,
Speaker 6: slamming the door shut and just marching into the building
Speaker 6: on fire. He is pissed and he's going to grab
Speaker 6: a microphone. And this, to me is is a page
Speaker 6: out of the book of like how when Hogan turned heel.
Speaker 6: Everybody was expressing their MORTI mortified and frustrated, pissed off
Speaker 6: they were. It affected everybody that and that was that
Speaker 6: was the emotion they had to go for that that
Speaker 6: everything about John if everything about John Cena was faked,
Speaker 6: and like, my god, someone needs to speak up for
Speaker 6: authenticity here. There's got to because if he's not authentic,
Speaker 6: then we really we are really rudderless right now, we
Speaker 6: really don't have an idea of where we're going and
Speaker 6: where we're heading.
Speaker 4: So here is cmpunk. If you're ready, we'll do the countdown.
Speaker 4: I'm ready.
Speaker 6: He's already made his way to this, So he stomps
Speaker 6: out of his truck, he makes his way down to
Speaker 6: the ring. Before anything happens on raw, he jumps up
Speaker 6: on the announced table. He grabs the microphone, and he
Speaker 6: looks into the camera and he gives us a very
Speaker 6: promising start. And we couldn't end up in a more
Speaker 6: different place than where This kind of leads you to
Speaker 6: believe they're going. So if we hit a play, it's
Speaker 6: in three two one play.
Speaker 3: Listen up, Dwayne, you bald fraud.
Speaker 8: You think because you're on the board of directors you're immune.
Speaker 3: From critcism, Well, you don't know who you're dealing with.
Speaker 3: You are dealing with the best in the world.
Speaker 4: Mike flag thrown off. Yep, middle aged.
Speaker 3: And crazy walk.
Speaker 8: After ten years and literally marched through hell to receive
Speaker 8: opportunities at the Big Dance. And you, mister midlife crisis,
Speaker 8: just to walk in when you feel like it and
Speaker 8: hide behind the fact that you think you're a bigger
Speaker 8: star than everybody here.
Speaker 3: I would love to say all of this to your face,
Speaker 3: but you have not graced us with your presence to
Speaker 3: do your bullshit wow.
Speaker 4: Wow, and that you care.
Speaker 9: About this business that gives you goosebumps.
Speaker 3: I have never been so delusional. I have never been
Speaker 3: so desperate to wear the crowd.
Speaker 4: Yes they know.
Speaker 3: I have never been so desperate to wear a fake
Speaker 3: title and proclaim myself.
Speaker 4: Wow, People's championship, the fake title.
Speaker 3: I heard it.
Speaker 4: Ye, look at him, correct.
Speaker 3: I have never been so desperate to sell my soul.
Speaker 4: And then he brings it back to the storyline. Yeah,
Speaker 4: John Cena, and he's someone that can speak once think
Speaker 4: about their history. Oh my god, well now we can
Speaker 4: all see through.
Speaker 8: Yes, something from me in the elimination chamber, a match
Speaker 8: that after twenty years of hustle, loyalty, and respect, I
Speaker 8: gave you the benefit.
Speaker 3: Of the doubt when you didn't qualify.
Speaker 8: I thought what you did in the past secured your future.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna fool me.
Speaker 8: Twice hustle loyalty and respect for twenty plus years, and
Speaker 8: now everybody sees what I've known all along, that you've
Speaker 8: been selling all these people and all these kids bullshit.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, go on Netflix and say shit, yeah,
Speaker 4: let's go.
Speaker 3: Punk who gave up the elimination Chamber.
Speaker 4: It wasn't me.
Speaker 8: You'll never see see him. Punk give up on his
Speaker 8: dreams made it that to WrestleMania. Ironically, mister don't quit,
Speaker 8: mister don't give up. You gave up on yourself, you
Speaker 8: gave up on all of these people, you gave up
Speaker 8: on all those kids.
Speaker 4: I like too that he's talking to like not talking
Speaker 4: to the hard camera, and.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna getting my hands on the both of you,
Speaker 3: bald fraud. Yes, you're gonna make a wish that I.
Speaker 4: Never look at that and we payed out. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's okay money, that's turn it over to Phil. Okay,
Speaker 4: that's step one. That's great, that's what Yes, that's great.
Speaker 4: I mean that's you know again that that's like what
Speaker 4: you you're talking about, like you make it. You make
Speaker 4: it a problem with everybody. Everybody's got a problem. That's
Speaker 4: when it becomes like you have the power. I mean,
Speaker 4: you're gonna tell me that that that that everyone commenting
Speaker 4: on Hogan was just oh, just happy to happen. And
Speaker 4: then that made you know, no, it's like that was
Speaker 4: part of the plan. You have to when something like
Speaker 4: that happens, everybody has to be affected, right because it
Speaker 4: is that you make it that important and you have
Speaker 4: the power to do that.
Speaker 6: I do wonder, you know, if Dwayne's lack of continued
Speaker 6: involvement traces to that promo, because that promo to me
Speaker 6: smacks of, oh, okay, you're gonna give me a little
Speaker 6: bit of leeway to call out Dwayne. I'm gonna say
Speaker 6: the kinds of things that he just can't come back from,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm gonna call out a lot of things
Speaker 6: that really kind of make him look like a goofball.
Speaker 4: Why why can't Dwayne come back from that?
Speaker 6: He just I don't think he's I don't think he's
Speaker 6: wired that way anymore. Maybe if he was live in
Speaker 6: the ring, but he's you know, Sina waylaid him on
Speaker 6: that second program they had when he called him out
Speaker 6: for writing things down on his hand.
Speaker 4: Do you remember that? Have you heard about that story?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: Rock came out when they were doing all the promo
Speaker 6: battles for their second WrestleMania match, and they were great promos,
Speaker 6: but Rock had written some reminders down on his hand
Speaker 6: and seen a mention that in his promo and not yes.
Speaker 6: Rock did not okay that he did not expect that,
Speaker 6: and he was frozen. You could tell he was like,
Speaker 6: I can't do the electrifying response to that one because
Speaker 6: that one actually pissed me off and I can't show
Speaker 6: that side of myself.
Speaker 4: You'd think that that would actually make him do better. Now,
Speaker 4: I think that when somebody kisses you off like that
Speaker 4: would actually that would actually stir the pod a little bit.
Speaker 6: I think Punk has that in him. I think Sena
Speaker 6: has it in him. I think actually Seth Rollins is
Speaker 6: showing that he has that in him. I don't think
Speaker 6: Rock has that in him. It fully does, you know
Speaker 6: when he goes to that place a flair, But I
Speaker 6: just feel like with Rock it's kind of like, oh
Speaker 6: wait a minute, I can't I can't give a Rock
Speaker 6: response to that one, and nobody you know, nobody wants
Speaker 6: to see Dwayne Johnson respond to something, you know, or
Speaker 6: least he doesn't want people to want that, whatever the
Speaker 6: case may be. But I thought that was just fascinating,
Speaker 6: and we didn't and after that, no one was mentioning
Speaker 6: Rock hardly at all. I think the next promo that
Speaker 6: Cody didn't smack down, as we'll get to, he did
Speaker 6: mention Rock, and it still seemed like Rock was going
Speaker 6: to be part of the menager here. But now pretty
Speaker 6: soon it was just no one was talking about him,
Speaker 6: and I do have to wonder, you know, if he
Speaker 6: saw that, I was just like, fuck this, Like I'm
Speaker 6: walking into a situation. Wow, I am now cast as
Speaker 6: somebody that is an interloper, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: That's disappointing that he doesn't have the fucking balls to
Speaker 4: agree with that.
Speaker 6: That's a supposition on my part. I'm sure he would
Speaker 6: absolutely disagree with that characterization. Or I'm just looking at timelines.
Speaker 6: I'm just looking at timelines all I'm doing and trying to,
Speaker 6: you know, suss out cause and effect.
Speaker 1: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and JP Sorrow.
Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast.
Speaker 6: So yeah, that that was just great and everybody was
Speaker 6: talking about that promo and what's the key Sino was
Speaker 6: not on this show yep, seen and did not talk,
Speaker 6: He did not appear yep. And it got the program
Speaker 6: over better than it ever did when he did pick
Speaker 6: up the microphone. Yes, I think we're going to agree
Speaker 6: with that assessment here as we go. Randy Orton did
Speaker 6: something similar on SmackDown that fredday it's not worth going
Speaker 6: over in this format because it really wasn't that electrifying
Speaker 6: or anything like that like Punks was. But he was
Speaker 6: also saying, you know, I just can't believe that we're
Speaker 6: in this like world now, this almost twilight zone where
Speaker 6: John Sen isn't a good guy anymore. And he also
Speaker 6: took a page out of the book. If everyone needs
Speaker 6: to comment on this, right, if you're a long time
Speaker 6: star in the business, if you're a longtime WWE headliner,
Speaker 6: you have thoughts and feelings about the fact that John Cena,
Speaker 6: the guy that carried the company and lived up to
Speaker 6: this motto and this ethos for so many years now
Speaker 6: threw it all out the window.
Speaker 4: Ye should be everybody should be talking about it. I mean,
Speaker 4: they shouldn't talk about it every week. They should have
Speaker 4: just talked about it week one, because think about this too,
Speaker 4: you talk about, you know, everyone talking about Hulk Cogan,
Speaker 4: you know, being being the guy and being and having
Speaker 4: all that, he had a shorter tenure as the top
Speaker 4: guy than John Cena did. John Cena turning heel happened
Speaker 4: twenty years right after he won his first World championship.
Speaker 4: Hogan turned heel after twelve years after winning his first
Speaker 4: World championship. So, like, this is a huge moment, and
Speaker 4: not for nothing. I'm safe to say that John Cena
Speaker 4: may invented more pay per views than Hogan ever did,
Speaker 4: just because of the of the way that the pay
Speaker 4: per view market changed, like we're talking about in not
Speaker 4: in terms of name value or anything, but in some
Speaker 4: ways a guy who surpassed Hulk Hogan in a number
Speaker 4: of ways in wrestling, not necessarily in mainstream culture, but
Speaker 4: although certainly had a better fucking close, better fucking movie
Speaker 4: career so far than Hulkogan never had.
Speaker 6: You know, So so as somebody who like actually managed
Speaker 6: to mean more to WW and the idea of the enterprise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that Hogan a guy who was so fiercely loyal
Speaker 4: it was annoying. Yeah, it was annoying.
Speaker 6: And the thing is they were loyal back to him,
Speaker 6: right right, you know, as much as he gave, they
Speaker 6: built everything around him, even when the crowd was telling
Speaker 6: them to absolutely don't do this.
Speaker 4: Everybody should have been talking about him, Yes, everybody.
Speaker 6: Triple EH should have had something. And I don't know, man,
Speaker 6: I don't know about Triple H going on the press
Speaker 6: conference afterwards and talking about how it's a story and
Speaker 6: it's going to play.
Speaker 4: Out and we've got ideas and you know, it's one
Speaker 4: of the things that always makes me laugh. Blah blah.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's funny to see Triple H do these
Speaker 6: interviews about like kind of being uncomfortable with giving away
Speaker 6: things about behind the scenes before they culminate, but afterwards
Speaker 6: it being okay, you know, after a few months you
Speaker 6: can look back and to which I agree with in
Speaker 6: theory for sure. Yet he also goes and he also
Speaker 6: went in on old wrestlers who do podcasts, who pine
Speaker 6: for the days of k fade and then they do
Speaker 6: podcasts giving the business away and all every secret of
Speaker 6: everything they used to do. A couple of things. One
Speaker 6: I thought the passage of time was okay. How about
Speaker 6: forty years, Maybe that's an okay time to start talking
Speaker 6: about it. If two months is okay and you'll book
Speaker 6: triple A. But at the same time, yeah, because they
Speaker 6: want to make money, that's not all is about then,
Speaker 6: and the fact that someone's willing to pay them to
Speaker 6: tell the secrets is all it's about.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 6: You know, these guys are not going to pass up books.
Speaker 6: And if these things existed, if these ways to make
Speaker 6: money off their experiences existed at the time ca Fabe
Speaker 6: was alive, and well they had taken the money then too,
Speaker 6: we better believe it, or they would have leveraged it
Speaker 6: to try to get another payday out of the wrestling business.
Speaker 6: The threat to tell, you know, to kiss and tell,
Speaker 6: so to speak.
Speaker 4: So that that's that.
Speaker 6: But I do think it hurts a little bit that that,
Speaker 6: you know, that they got to walk around talking about
Speaker 6: story and talking about this as being a plot line
Speaker 6: and all that, like, you know, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, yeah, but you know what, I think. I don't
Speaker 4: know that that didn't that wouldn't bothered me as much,
Speaker 4: That wouldn't bothered me as much. That doesn't bother me
Speaker 4: as much as I can I can deal with the
Speaker 4: fact of.
Speaker 6: Of like it takes away Triple H being able to
Speaker 6: express his personal disappointment.
Speaker 4: Sure, and you know what, maybe he shouldn't. Maybe he shouldn't,
Speaker 4: Maybe he shouldn't do it. If if that's if that's
Speaker 4: the case, and he needs to go out and talk
Speaker 4: about that, then he shouldn't talk about John Cena. It's interesting,
Speaker 4: But you could have other people do it, for sure.
Speaker 4: Imagine that.
Speaker 6: Imagine if if Triple H, in all the media they
Speaker 6: do for wrestling a New Week just said I'm not
Speaker 6: going to talk about John Cena.
Speaker 4: It just let him that. That'd be great. You imagine
Speaker 4: how electric that would be. Love it.
Speaker 6: But he's like in the Creator Road and all that ship,
Speaker 6: and he's got to be seen as that kind of thing.
Speaker 6: So you know, and the thing, the thing that that
Speaker 6: I think would have is is so important when when
Speaker 6: when Hogan turned heel, all right, when Hogan turned heel,
Speaker 6: it wasn't just like people coming out.
Speaker 4: Talking about it. That was what everyone was talking about.
Speaker 4: The commentators were talking about out the entire show. Yes,
Speaker 4: that's what you gotta do. And it's like, yeah, you
Speaker 4: want to focus another but for two for a few weeks,
Speaker 4: you can spend that time just talking about john sona if.
Speaker 6: You have a once in a generation Hill turn yep,
Speaker 6: that it justifies talking about little else for the entirety
Speaker 6: of television between Raw and WrestleMania, the Rye after Elimination
Speaker 6: Chamber and WrestleMania in this I mean, they brought it
Speaker 6: up every week, but it needs to be on everybody's
Speaker 6: mind the whole time. Everyone on the roster needs to
Speaker 6: give their thoughts on it, and you keep seeing a
Speaker 6: sparse like it hardly hear from it.
Speaker 4: And it made it great too because guys who had
Speaker 4: nothing to do with Hogan were taking time to talk
Speaker 4: about it, you know, That's how That's what made it
Speaker 4: so impactful was that there were people who weren't even
Speaker 4: involved with any of his storylines since he came to WCW,
Speaker 4: and they're talking about it because Hulk Hogan means that
Speaker 4: much to so many people. John still that guy.
Speaker 6: Case in point, after that fiery promo where Punk did
Speaker 6: a better promo than I would argue either Cody or
Speaker 6: Seen It even came close to doing, and lead up
Speaker 6: to the show about the heart of the matter, Punk
Speaker 6: right after what we just watched it turns his attention
Speaker 6: to Seth Rollins. Seth Rollins come out, they brawl, and
Speaker 6: we're on our way to setting up the Seth Roman
Speaker 6: triple threat at WrestleMania for the Night one main event, and.
Speaker 4: Like would have went great is if you know Seth
Speaker 4: Rollins even comes out and says and says something like say,
Speaker 4: you know, before you and I get started, I got
Speaker 4: to say something too exactly. That's all it takes. Seriously,
Speaker 4: it makes it, It makes it, It takes it above,
Speaker 4: It makes it something more important than just like this match, and.
Speaker 6: You spread it out over more than just one week.
Speaker 6: You have six people on both shows that need to
Speaker 6: comment on this, and for six weeks they say their
Speaker 6: peace on it, you know what I mean? You drag
Speaker 6: it out like I just can't emphasize enough how much
Speaker 6: bigger this felt before seen his promo. Yeah, I'm not saying,
Speaker 6: we'll see what we think about the merits of that
Speaker 6: first promo in and of itself judged by itself, but
Speaker 6: given the alternative of him not talking, I think I
Speaker 6: think I know where I fall in terms of what
Speaker 6: would have been the optimal and treatment here. But no,
Speaker 6: I mean punk refocuses on Rollins and hardly ever mentioned
Speaker 6: Sena again. The way he was looking at that camera
Speaker 6: screaming like that, you would think the first second he
Speaker 6: saw John Cena, he'd be jumping on and fucking ass right,
Speaker 6: and that Cody who doesn't even attack Scenea the first
Speaker 6: time he.
Speaker 4: See That's what made And that's when that's when wrestling
Speaker 4: is at its absolute best, in my opinion, is when
Speaker 4: is when people aren't streamlined into their program that everything
Speaker 4: affects everybody, that the whole show, that the whole promotion
Speaker 4: is affected by everybody's actions and people, especially when something
Speaker 4: this big happens. Yeah, like that's what made again the
Speaker 4: NWS is that contect everybody? It wasn't just you know
Speaker 4: a few people that that Hogan and Nash and Hall
Speaker 4: were attacking. Should have been something like that, Like like
Speaker 4: what's been great too? Is that is that?
Speaker 10: You know?
Speaker 9: What?
Speaker 4: What if? What if too? We're not seeing John Cena, right,
Speaker 4: we don't see Johnson. We go with the same format
Speaker 4: that I that I suggest and rocks the guy. You see,
Speaker 4: he comes out, he cuts the promos and says, you
Speaker 4: know what. But at the same time, every now and again,
Speaker 4: a wrestler specifically, maybe somebody who down the line during
Speaker 4: this retirement tour that he's gonna that's Seena is gonna face.
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, they cut to camera backstage and
Speaker 4: somebody got beat up. Right, we don't know who it was,
Speaker 4: but we can imply that it's John Cena, and that
Speaker 4: John Cena is just attacking people all right, listen, lighting
Speaker 4: the place on fire, right exactly like you know, this
Speaker 4: is this is my fucking time. Have seen it come
Speaker 4: out at the end of Raw for the first time,
Speaker 4: four or five weeks after the turn, have seen him
Speaker 4: Punk fly out of the locker room trying to kill
Speaker 4: him and have Sina with some goons that cut off
Speaker 4: Punk and lay him out while Sina stands there, stone
Speaker 4: faced in a suit with the strap. Yep, well this
Speaker 4: isn't the belt yet, but you know, with the look
Speaker 4: and feel of a guy who's about to take this
Speaker 4: whole goddamn thing over, even Rock can do it. Rock
Speaker 4: can get some licks in with the belt. You know,
Speaker 4: That's what the heat is. You know, I get as
Speaker 4: people trying to get even with Sena and failing for
Speaker 4: what he did. I'm getting I'm getting a I'm getting Honestly,
Speaker 4: this is just happened to me. As we're talking about it.
Speaker 4: I'm getting a bad feeling. What I'm getting a bad
Speaker 4: feeling that we're gonna get a a A Hollywood Hogan
Speaker 4: two thousand and two WWE thing.
Speaker 6: During the course of the match. They're just gonna go
Speaker 6: next for Sina.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, that John Seena is gonna lose, and
Speaker 4: Cody's gonna shake his hand and they're gonna let bygones
Speaker 4: be bygones and that's the end of the Johnston the
Speaker 4: Heel experiment.
Speaker 6: Making me pretty depressed right now, Hey, what should they do?
Speaker 4: He should go over incredibly strong? Yes, yeah, so strong?
Speaker 4: Like like it I mean. And also it's it's a
Speaker 4: it's a situation where I wouldn't mind it because because
Speaker 4: we've already been set up for it. It's not like
Speaker 4: Austin Rock WrestleMania seventeen. I wouldn't mind him beating the
Speaker 4: shit out of Cody with a fucking chair a million
Speaker 4: times to win the belt, Like I wouldn't mind that
Speaker 4: in this because because we're not expecting him to be
Speaker 4: a good guy. We're not expecting like Steve Austin to
Speaker 4: be Steve Austin. He's already done it. He's already like
Speaker 4: he should just brutalize Cody Rhodes. I'm in a perfect world.
Speaker 4: I know this isn't gonna happen in a perfect world.
Speaker 4: And this is the only way, this is the only
Speaker 4: way to me that I would ever have Cody lose
Speaker 4: this championship this early. Honestly, even though it's been a
Speaker 4: year already, I still think, you know, after beating Roman,
Speaker 4: anyone who beats Roman needs to have the bell for
Speaker 4: quite a while to keep the value up. But I
Speaker 4: wouldn't I wouldn't be disappointed if Sina just fucking charges
Speaker 4: Cody in the fucking aisleway, beats the crap out of
Speaker 4: him for like ten minutes straight, just like lezarded to him.
Speaker 4: Nothing Cody can do, can can affect this John scene
Speaker 4: and just destroys Cody. Wow, because people are gonna want
Speaker 4: to see Cody get revenge, unlike unlike Sena. And funny enough,
Speaker 4: when when Lesnard destroyed him, no one wanted to see
Speaker 4: seen him get revenge, you know, but like people will
Speaker 4: want to see it happen, you know, And then you
Speaker 4: can do that, and you can have Cody take a
Speaker 4: little Codin's take a fucking you know, a little time
Speaker 4: off and and and lick his wounds and then come
Speaker 4: back stronger realizing that, you know what he took John
Speaker 4: Cena for granted, he took this new John Cena for granted.
Speaker 6: It's funny becausehen you tell about brutalizing, it's like that.
Speaker 6: It's the perfect thing for the Sena that we saw
Speaker 6: in the immediate aftermath of the heel turn in the
Speaker 6: ring in Toronto, with that fucking.
Speaker 4: Brutalized who brutalized Codin's roads.
Speaker 6: He looked psycho. But the Sena that's communicated since the
Speaker 6: Sena that's been in verbal battles with Cody, with Cody
Speaker 6: ever since, that's not somebody that that's going to brutalize anybody.
Speaker 6: I'm not not to say he couldn't do it when
Speaker 6: we get to Vegas, but he dropped that whole component
Speaker 6: of the character with that steely glad, that steely gaze.
Speaker 4: I don't know why they let that happen. I mean
Speaker 4: that was supposed to. He should have gone nuts, like
Speaker 4: he shouldn't have, just like than justified with his intellectual
Speaker 4: reasoning for all that fuck that he went nuts yeah,
Speaker 4: out of that's what. That's what.
Speaker 6: That's when you saw the money in his face and
Speaker 6: the elimination shape, when he showed this look he never
Speaker 6: once ever showed you You've never seen even when he
Speaker 6: was a heel, you never saw that look, right, Like
Speaker 6: he was tapped. Yeah, like like like again, it's it's
Speaker 6: it's no different. It's a better executed version of Austin
Speaker 6: at WrestleMania seventeen because you know, in a weird way,
Speaker 6: I think the heel turn would have been if you're
Speaker 6: going to do it, I still don't think you should
Speaker 6: have done it, but if you're going to do it,
Speaker 6: it should have happened earlier. Happening at WrestleMania was the
Speaker 6: biggest mistake, right, It's not just the idea, it's doing
Speaker 6: it as the feature go home thing for WrestleMania, the
Speaker 6: greatest WrestleMania like ever, right, and that way it's like no,
Speaker 6: that's not no, right, it's totally It's one of the
Speaker 6: reasons why I I I really it's still hurts to
Speaker 6: call it the greatest WrestleMania because that finish, it just
Speaker 6: leaves it's so sour, it's so bitter, even to this day, well,
Speaker 6: if the rest of the show sucked and they did that,
Speaker 6: it wouldn't be as tragic.
Speaker 4: It would be.
Speaker 6: Tragic, But the fact that it was such a wonderful
Speaker 6: show and then ended that way it makes an extra tragic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, exactly. They had a kick ass show and
Speaker 4: a kick assay to make you pissed off at the end,
Speaker 4: right or underwhelmed, you know, right because you didn't have
Speaker 4: a hot finish. It was a fucking awful finish. You know,
Speaker 4: you want to see You want to see Austin attempt
Speaker 4: to stunner and Rock kicks out of Rock pushed them away,
Speaker 4: and then Rock goes for a rock bottom, but Austin
Speaker 4: is able to break out of a kick stunner Pin one,
Speaker 4: two three, Like, you want that kind of a finish
Speaker 4: with the.
Speaker 3: Two of them.
Speaker 4: You don't want a brutal or even you know, I
Speaker 4: could have been I could have been okay with the
Speaker 4: way that that Rock finished Austin in twenty nineteen twenty nine,
Speaker 4: Yeah no, it was twenty two thousand and three three
Speaker 4: WrestleMania nineteen. You know, I could have been okay with
Speaker 4: with Rock not going down with one stunner and he
Speaker 4: has to do like four stunners of the enour sunners, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, in a row to get him, to get
Speaker 4: him to lose. But I think that would have been
Speaker 4: great too. But the heel turn, it's just.
Speaker 6: Back to Punk quickly. One of the things I'm thinking
Speaker 6: watching that back is like, look, we have to believe
Speaker 6: in the Punk character. We can't believe that See Him
Speaker 6: Punk really thinks that this match with Roman and Seth
Speaker 6: Rollins is his WrestleMania main event.
Speaker 4: It's not. He knows better than that. It's better, not
Speaker 4: even as important as his match with Undertaker. He better
Speaker 4: know better than that. I'll tell you that right now.
Speaker 4: He better fucking know better than that, because if he
Speaker 4: thinks that this is a main event, he's a fucking idiot.
Speaker 4: Right well, well, we have to.
Speaker 6: Believe he's a liar as a character now, because the
Speaker 6: whole thing we can believe in with See Him Punk
Speaker 6: is he's not going to tell us that something was
Speaker 6: monumental unless we really, as fans that understand the business,
Speaker 6: or at least like to think we do, see it
Speaker 6: as monumental. He can't be selling us that. I mean,
Speaker 6: if anything, what this says to me is that he
Speaker 6: will never main event WrestleMania, for right, But that's where
Speaker 6: that's where the money could be. Is he turns around
Speaker 6: and actually acknowledges that, or we might be headed as
Speaker 6: this and I'm hoping I'm not just thinking this because
Speaker 6: we just happen to watch that promo which they have
Speaker 6: memory hold, so they have not hardly referenced it since
Speaker 6: it happened. Punk really, as far as I can tell,
Speaker 6: has never really spoken on Sena, despite being so revolted
Speaker 6: by him that the way he was acting there, the
Speaker 6: first person who attacked John Cena should be see him Punk,
Speaker 6: not even Cody Rhodes there but even said anything because
Speaker 6: he was off on his own little journey with Roman Seth,
Speaker 6: which has been a wonderful program in his own right.
Speaker 4: But but yeah, it's the same thing. It's like, you
Speaker 4: know again, they have these everything streamlined. Everything needs to
Speaker 4: be like you can't now you go in your own
Speaker 4: lane now, right, you can't, you can't cross over. And
Speaker 4: I've hated that. I've hated that. It's it's such a
Speaker 4: disservice like that was that was the greatest thing about
Speaker 4: the NWOS that it happened to everybody, everyone was affected
Speaker 4: by it. And everyone should be affected by John Cena.
Speaker 6: And so Punk is in a position where if they
Speaker 6: this is what they do with Punk, you know, you
Speaker 6: go back to him saying, you know, that was not
Speaker 6: he might win the triple Threat match. Then he comes
Speaker 6: out and says, you're not gonna bullshit me that it's
Speaker 6: not the reason I walked out. That is not the
Speaker 6: reason I am cm Punk is to believe that that
Speaker 6: was that was the real moment that I'm chasing. You
Speaker 6: know what I'm chasing. Uh, And it's and when you
Speaker 6: know it's rumble win title win, that's.
Speaker 4: It, or even just it's it's it's it's being the
Speaker 4: last match altogether of Wressell Marria for the championship. That's
Speaker 4: the main event. That's right.
Speaker 6: That doesn't have to be the Rumble, but that's necessary
Speaker 6: that that's a helpful precursor to.
Speaker 4: Sure of course, make it feel like they mean it.
Speaker 4: And I think I think Punk winning a rumble would
Speaker 4: be fantastic too.
Speaker 6: I think the time is now. So he so he
Speaker 6: wins the triple Threat and then he comes out. I
Speaker 6: don't know if they'll do something with Hayman. I don't
Speaker 6: know what they'll do. But then he comes out and
Speaker 6: Sina wins the belt just like you said, and we're
Speaker 6: all kind of believing that Punk's issues with with Sina
Speaker 6: are in the past. And then Sina goes and maybe
Speaker 6: defends in a rematch against Cody, and then Money in.
Speaker 4: The No, No, I don't think. I don't think. I
Speaker 4: don't think he's I think I think I think he
Speaker 4: should be gone. I think Coden should be gone for
Speaker 4: a while. He should go right away.
Speaker 6: That was that was Yeah, okay, I'm saying it's time
Speaker 6: to deemphasize Cody for a little bit because if he's
Speaker 6: going to lose to Sena, if he doesn't get to
Speaker 6: win right back, it's really going to hurt him. So
Speaker 6: he does disappear or maybe lose the rematch. I'll take
Speaker 6: your point. But money in the bank and we're back
Speaker 6: to the old scenario between Punk and Sena mean the bank, yep,
Speaker 6: And he cashes in on Sena and we get the
Speaker 6: rematch at like Summer Slam or something.
Speaker 4: And then although part of me says Punk should be
Speaker 4: the first one to go after it, honestly, there's part
Speaker 4: of me that says the title, yeah, he should be,
Speaker 4: like it should be he should get him May and
Speaker 4: June like it should be a multi month program the
Speaker 4: two of them, like they have a few matches.
Speaker 6: I like it, but I like the callback that Money
Speaker 6: in the Bank is to their individual history. You might
Speaker 6: even do it at Money in the Bank itself, like
Speaker 6: they had the match of winning the bank.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But and at that point, probably Sena still does go over,
Speaker 6: and that's when Cody comes back to beat Sena when
Speaker 6: last time, or maybe Cody comes back to beat Seen
Speaker 6: at the end and a non title match and Punk
Speaker 6: actually beats seen It for the belt. I'm not sure there,
Speaker 6: but I actually prefer that Scena beats Punk in that match,
Speaker 6: and then you have Cody beat Seene at the end
Speaker 6: of the year to get the belt back. Seen It
Speaker 6: just like you said, realizes the error of his ways
Speaker 6: and marches off into the sunset, and we have that
Speaker 6: moment where he can be a good guy again and
Speaker 6: you know, an exit, and then you have Cody versus
Speaker 6: Punk for the title at WrestleMania next year. Sure, I
Speaker 6: think that might be where we have to go, but
Speaker 6: who knows. I'm probably overthinking Punk's role on this because
Speaker 6: they they kind of took a sharp turn after he
Speaker 6: mentioned it once, but he probably did it for a reason,
Speaker 6: and who knows where Dwayne factors in and all that.
Speaker 4: So it's just all it's all poorly done. I haven't
Speaker 4: even done it yet. All listen, I've got no I
Speaker 4: don't on it. If they if they handled this again
Speaker 4: as badly as I think they have based on that
Speaker 4: Belgium promo, I've got no faith for them afterwards regarding
Speaker 4: this John Cena thing and where they're going to go.
Speaker 6: Let's see, let's see if maybe it was better than
Speaker 6: you've been led to believe. So the next link I
Speaker 6: sent you is to the March seventh SmackDown. And this
Speaker 6: is the first time because with the exception of that
Speaker 6: cmpunk screaming on the end of the camera, and you know,
Speaker 6: references constantly made throughout that Monday night Rob broadcast to
Speaker 6: what Sina had done and showing clips of all the
Speaker 6: mainstream media coverage picked up and all the social media reactions.
Speaker 6: Cody wasn't on the show and Sina wasn't on the show,
Speaker 6: so they kept it open as to what Cody was
Speaker 6: going to say and do. The first time Cody addressed
Speaker 6: it was SmackDown that Friday in Usa, and here he is.
Speaker 6: He comes to the ring. He puts the ww Championship
Speaker 6: on the canvas in the center of the ring, and
Speaker 6: he says the following if you're ready, boss, I am ready?
Speaker 6: Three two one play?
Speaker 4: So is the ring blue? Yes? On SmackDown it is
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ. Oh, Philadelphia where he won the belt, see
Speaker 4: like gray suit of champions. Yes, city of David Lynch. Oh,
Speaker 4: what what have you said that? What have we said?
Speaker 4: The city of David Lynch.
Speaker 6: See the black eye he got from Travis Scott.
Speaker 9: Obvious question with an obvious answer. It's the most watched
Speaker 9: moment in WWE history and pro wrestling history. Okay, and
Speaker 9: there I am laying on the bottom tasting my own blood.
Speaker 3: What do you say to a little one not even
Speaker 3: four years old when she looks up at you and says, Papa,
Speaker 3: what happened to your face?
Speaker 4: It's that a conversation that I mommy said, she doesn't
Speaker 4: want to suck your dick anymore? What happened to your face?
Speaker 3: Brother? So I do old what I can only classify
Speaker 3: as a a cody lie.
Speaker 4: Ooh, a cod And I ran into a wall? Brother?
Speaker 4: How you you did? You ran into a wall all right,
Speaker 4: entirely untrue.
Speaker 3: I did run into the wall, a wall designed by
Speaker 3: the final boss, the Rock.
Speaker 4: So we're still mentioning him.
Speaker 3: His associate, Travis Scott.
Speaker 4: Rocks fingerprints. You can still see that, yep.
Speaker 9: And by my WrestleMania forty one opponent, John Sina.
Speaker 3: You know, I drove John around for two years, from
Speaker 3: show to show, from city to city.
Speaker 9: All I was trying to do was sponge off every
Speaker 9: bit of knowledge that I possibly could. I felt about John,
Speaker 9: how many people here felt about John?
Speaker 3: He who's a hero. So one day I'll tell her,
Speaker 3: I'll tell her what actually happened.
Speaker 9: I'll tell her that a great man who did great things,
Speaker 9: who was my model in this sport, who was the
Speaker 9: very definition of the word virtuous, a man who used
Speaker 9: to run to the ring with a T shirt and.
Speaker 3: Blazon on it the slogan never give up. I'll tell
Speaker 3: her he gave up.
Speaker 4: Good lie. Yeah, and I gave up on being a
Speaker 4: good person. Yes, I apologize for.
Speaker 3: Any language you might have heard. I'm doing everything I
Speaker 3: can to maintain my composure in this moment. John, If
Speaker 3: you don't owe it to me, I believe you owe
Speaker 3: it to them. We'd all love to know.
Speaker 4: Why. And see he shouldn't have gotten his answer. Why, Yeah, agreed,
Speaker 4: And if I.
Speaker 9: Know my old friend John Cena, well, I'm sure it
Speaker 9: will be a very smooth, well educated, well crapped retort,
Speaker 9: a signature amount of phrases.
Speaker 3: He'll probably say speech at some point in there.
Speaker 9: He will feel bulletproof, he will feel infallible, he will
Speaker 9: feel justified.
Speaker 3: There is no justification for you. John Sina.
Speaker 4: Codins is hoping that some Hollywood agents are watching him
Speaker 4: right now. I am oh, yeah, well aware.
Speaker 3: I am talking to the whole world right now. However,
Speaker 3: for those in this room tonight.
Speaker 4: This room, he says, that's a new one. He's working
Speaker 4: the room. Yeah, you know this story.
Speaker 9: You might have heard it from me in an interview
Speaker 9: at some point in the past. This was the one
Speaker 9: place that my old man was afraid to perform in.
Speaker 4: He's the grandson of a plumber.
Speaker 9: One time painted his face like the Road Warriors, so
Speaker 9: that he knew he was cool, so that you knew
Speaker 9: you could cheer for him. I never shared that same
Speaker 9: fear because, for reasons unknown, one time mustache on my
Speaker 9: face climbing alas money in the bank, briefcase for reasons unknown.
Speaker 3: You cheered for me, You chose me, get saddled up,
Speaker 3: and you rode.
Speaker 4: With me, roads with him. He's good about making like
Speaker 4: moments we all forgot about means something I don't even fuck.
Speaker 4: I remember him maning the money in bank match at all, just.
Speaker 9: Across the street, trying to finish a story that started
Speaker 9: in the late seventies.
Speaker 4: Get cheered for me, that one I remember. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I remember being shows me my ass off for that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: a great delivery there. You chose me again. A little
Speaker 4: bit of his dad in that. Yeah, that's good ship.
Speaker 4: He's good. A little bit of a preacher man in
Speaker 4: that knows how to get him on his side. Man
Speaker 4: sad face look at him. Yeah, speaking of Crussomania forty
Speaker 4: also scene it came out.
Speaker 3: He didn't turn the audio up.
Speaker 9: My old friend John Cena, and the ring celebrated my
Speaker 9: friends and my family.
Speaker 3: He looked at me, he pointed.
Speaker 9: At the title, and I will never forget what he said.
Speaker 9: He said, it gets heavier every day. Well, John, here
Speaker 9: I am holding this championship. It is not heavy enough.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 9: I am holding this championship as I have done for
Speaker 9: the last three hundred and something days.
Speaker 3: John, I know you're watching. I know that you think
Speaker 3: that your successor had to look like you, had to
Speaker 3: talk like you, had to be like you had to
Speaker 3: live like you. Well, the next one.
Speaker 9: Doesn't look like the last one, John, and you are
Speaker 9: convinced that you are the last of your kind.
Speaker 2: You are not.
Speaker 3: I am standing right here, I am holding this above
Speaker 3: my head as.
Speaker 9: If it weighs nothing, and I wrestle forty one.
Speaker 3: I will do the same, John Cena. Clearly you want
Speaker 3: some come.
Speaker 9: And some.
Speaker 4: Damn butts, eat some pie, I said my dad. Yeah, good,
Speaker 4: great promo. And it doesn't make me kept it alive? Yeah,
Speaker 4: it keeps it very much alive, very much alive.
Speaker 6: So what's the move from there? When he says what
Speaker 6: he says? Do you think what should have happened? Yes,
Speaker 6: because I'm happy so far. Yes, I think the next
Speaker 6: move is again, I think they I don't know the
Speaker 6: next move. He wants to see John Cena. He wants
Speaker 6: John Cena. He needs to call out John Cena and
Speaker 6: John Cena doesn't show. Yes, yep, that's good for another week, Yep, yep, absolutely,
Speaker 6: and then that is what happens, but not in a
Speaker 6: way where Cody expresses frustration about it.
Speaker 4: Right, Cody has to be led on to think is
Speaker 4: exactly and then again you know, uh uh, it becomes
Speaker 4: it's he's announced maybe for that Belgium raw that he's
Speaker 4: going to be there. Codins comes down, and then we
Speaker 4: get the Rock, Oh my god, perfect, we get the
Speaker 4: Rock absolutely perfect, like even you know, actually we actually
Speaker 4: even be funny. Actually would be great is if they
Speaker 4: play scene as theme and Rock comes down instead. That'd
Speaker 4: be a riot. And what does Rock say to him?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think Rock, I think I think you
Speaker 4: can come up with a million excuses. I think I
Speaker 4: think having playing up the Hollywood thing is what is
Speaker 4: an another element that's missing? I think the idea of
Speaker 4: like I mean talking about he could even say, look,
Speaker 4: I got him, I got him a part in a movie,
Speaker 4: and he just couldn't show I got him apart in
Speaker 4: this next year, he's got a movie coming up. I
Speaker 4: got him a role on this thing, and and you know,
Speaker 4: unfortunately it just you know, it just happened to you know,
Speaker 4: coincide with this time, so he couldn't be here, but
Speaker 4: I'm here to talk to you, you know, And he
Speaker 4: says some ship and then he and then I've got it.
Speaker 6: I've got his ear these days, Cody. Right, So if
Speaker 6: you got something to say to John Cen, you can
Speaker 6: say it to me.
Speaker 4: You can listen. I'm his representative. Oh right.
Speaker 6: And then that casts that intimidates Cody because it's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: he actually is the boss. That's that's what put me
Speaker 6: in this position in the first place, right because Rock
Speaker 6: still is supposed to be mad that Cody said, go
Speaker 6: fuck yoursefe remember that, right, So like Rock is you know,
Speaker 6: I think that's that be so fucking money that Rock
Speaker 6: is the representative here for John Cena, you know, and
Speaker 6: you know whatever, even if he's not feeling a movie
Speaker 6: who cares like you know, some bullshit, it could be
Speaker 6: I mean, it'd be me great, you know you could
Speaker 6: I and then I'll tell you what. Another thing I
Speaker 6: forgot to mention before that we did talk about is
Speaker 6: if you know, if you need to show Sena in
Speaker 6: some way, I think you know you you you the
Speaker 6: cameras were brought to Hollywood, yes, you know, we're brought
Speaker 6: to a movie studio and we tried to get it
Speaker 6: and like you see Sina in the like they zoom
Speaker 6: in he's not actually talking about he like you see him,
Speaker 6: he's coming out, he's coming out of NOBU right exactly.
Speaker 6: Or he's like he's in the studio and you can't
Speaker 6: get past security. Yes, you know, the cameras can't get
Speaker 6: past security, and you see like a glimpse of him somewhere.
Speaker 6: You know that TMZ thing, right that that would be
Speaker 6: such a revolutionary thing to introduce. We've talked about how
Speaker 6: money of an idea it is. We're like the wrestler.
Speaker 6: The wrestler is only caught up to and and caught
Speaker 6: on camera one wrest one ww's and on television. Yeah,
Speaker 6: like you you just create these these fake moments where
Speaker 6: you know he's being spotted in public, and you can
Speaker 6: even do real ones. I mean, imagine how viral it
Speaker 6: would if we haven't seen seen on TV for four
Speaker 6: weeks after he did this, and like some fan catches
Speaker 6: him in a you know, on purpose walking around Hollywood
Speaker 6: or something and runs up on him and tries to
Speaker 6: ask him a question. Yeah, I'm like, just the thing
Speaker 6: gets hit, you know, like like like that, you know,
Speaker 6: they get this thing and then and see it just
Speaker 6: punches whoever it is and the camera dies, the feed dies,
Speaker 6: you know, like, yeah, I always think of like an
Speaker 6: organic real fan and knowing that that would happen and
Speaker 6: using that, I mean, that works too. I think, I
Speaker 6: think I think you could mimic that and have it
Speaker 6: be a thing, and then like and seeing that, like
Speaker 6: again you don't hear a word from his mouth and
Speaker 6: and you don't even get a really a crystal clear
Speaker 6: glimpse of him, because again you don't want to spoil
Speaker 6: the look so good. And actually what you could have
Speaker 6: done too, what you could do actually, which would be
Speaker 6: which would be great, is that you could pre tape
Speaker 6: all these things.
Speaker 4: True, you know, you can pretaate them so that you're
Speaker 4: airing them as they as they come along and acting
Speaker 4: as if they're you know, current. But that way you're
Speaker 4: not spoiling the look. He can look like his old
Speaker 4: self with his hair and his clean shaven face, and
Speaker 4: that when he when he comes out at WrestleMania, bald beard,
Speaker 4: and it's like, what the fuck?
Speaker 6: And you could also pre tape with Rock too, if
Speaker 6: Rock not being available as an excuse, you know, yeah,
Speaker 6: you could. Basically it's not as great as him coming
Speaker 6: out in Brussels.
Speaker 4: But you know, you would do something. But but but
Speaker 4: you don't be great. You know what Be's with his
Speaker 4: new client right he's on set, and you get it.
Speaker 4: You get because I'll tell you. One of the things
Speaker 4: that I used to love about nineties uh uh raw
Speaker 4: is when someone communicated via the Titan tron huge that
Speaker 4: it was such a great tool where they would argue
Speaker 4: with the screen and it was so great, and I
Speaker 4: think it was undervalued. I mean, they don't do that anymore.
Speaker 4: And how great would it be if if, if if
Speaker 4: you did have this kind of via satellite thing where
Speaker 4: Rock's talking to to Codin's on set that you know,
Speaker 4: he's in a director's chair sitting there. I mean, and
Speaker 4: you know crew members are walking by him and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. It's like, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 11: I just got my man a new a new film
Speaker 11: with Universal Studios. We're talking about another fast Furious. We're
Speaker 11: talking big deals, big deals happening. The Final Boss always
Speaker 11: signs big deals, the biggest deals in the world, you know,
Speaker 11: like just ship like that and it'd be great.
Speaker 6: Can you even have you could I'm losing my mind now,
Speaker 6: you could even have Ari come out. Ari could be like, yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, Dwayne, We're really excited about what we think
Speaker 6: we can do here with John. So he's part of
Speaker 6: that power structure. Yeah, like, hey, you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 6: glad we you know we got we got seen it
Speaker 6: in here. You know, he's part of the He's part
Speaker 6: of the team.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: You think Ari's a big wrestling fan. Get his response
Speaker 6: to participating in foolishness like that. Now you'll realize how
Speaker 6: how seriously he takes this thing. So great stuff, I mean,
Speaker 6: just fucking amazing. Another thing, I hope, just like I
Speaker 6: was saying, I really hope that this didn't end up
Speaker 6: being the version of this program we got just because
Speaker 6: they wanted to sell the European Tour merchandise. I also
Speaker 6: hope this didn't play out the way it did because
Speaker 6: they decided for some fucking reason to put a European
Speaker 6: tour between Elimination Chamber and WrestleMania this year. Now, the
Speaker 6: crowds were very enthusiastic, and they were super hot, but
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, John Cena needs to give his explanation in
Speaker 6: the garden, and they were in the garden like a
Speaker 6: week the night before the night after this, or two
Speaker 6: weeks after this. He needs to give his real He
Speaker 6: needs to give his reason to Chicago. He needs to
Speaker 6: give his reason before an audience that isn't just going
Speaker 6: to go completely insane no matter what they were given
Speaker 6: by ww on this show. Those are the shows where
Speaker 6: you just give them the basics because it's going to
Speaker 6: be an incredible atmosphere and that does the work for you.
Speaker 6: It's really hard to tell if this is working when
Speaker 6: scene is appearing before these European crowds that are going
Speaker 6: to go ep shit.
Speaker 4: Right, what right? It's really uh, it's really and that
Speaker 4: that's a big mistake and they know it. That's a
Speaker 4: big fucking mistake that they that that that that they
Speaker 4: you know, because any any they're excited to see everybody.
Speaker 4: So I just don't I think it was a bad
Speaker 4: It's a bad move altogether. I think so.
Speaker 6: I think it costs them in a lot of ways,
Speaker 6: to say nothing of the fact. Do you remember when
Speaker 6: I broke the news to you that because they were
Speaker 6: in Europe on Netflix for the first time, that they
Speaker 6: would be live at two o'clock.
Speaker 4: In the afternoon. Yeah, Oh, that's just miserable.
Speaker 6: Just so, this scene of promo and Brussels was already
Speaker 6: old news by the time Prime Time rolled around that
Speaker 6: Monday night to anybody who was following on social media.
Speaker 4: Which yeah, I listen. I read about it at like
Speaker 4: three o'clock.
Speaker 6: I mean, what are you guys doing? What are you
Speaker 6: guys doing? There's no seen as explanations. I mean at
Speaker 6: two o'clock in the afternoon on the mind awful, it's
Speaker 6: such bad business. And knowing that they had what was
Speaker 6: a Chicago coming up, they couldn't have just waited and
Speaker 6: not put him on the European tour, done exactly what
Speaker 6: you said and had a perfect reason and just not
Speaker 6: have him talk on it. But we got all this
Speaker 6: merchandise in the warehouse Russian space with the Belgium flag.
Speaker 4: You think they're not gonna buy it because he's not there,
Speaker 4: Come on, people were gonna People were gonna buy all
Speaker 4: that shit anyway because he turned heel. If he knows shows,
Speaker 4: people are still gonna buy it, especially because guess what
Speaker 4: now it's a collector's item.
Speaker 6: Here's a stroke of genius. I was just thinking, as
Speaker 6: you're talking about this, the stroke of genius is this
Speaker 6: only adds to the this only adds to the program.
Speaker 6: Wwe is like, fuck, we got all this stuff we
Speaker 6: printed thinking everyone was gonna be happy to see John
Speaker 6: Cena in Scotland and Belgium and Italy and wherever fuck
Speaker 6: else he went. We're still gonna make it available in
Speaker 6: its own perverse way. It's it's limited edition, one, one
Speaker 6: of a kind item, because you know, it's not like
Speaker 6: Sena is ever gonna wear these shirts and try to
Speaker 6: sell them to you ever. Again, we don't know what
Speaker 6: to do at WWHQ with all this stuff. If you're
Speaker 6: coming to one of these European tour shows, be sure
Speaker 6: to grab these shirts. Even though you're not supporting John
Speaker 6: Cena by doing it, you're just kind of getting a
Speaker 6: keepsake of what could have been. It's almost like, you know,
Speaker 6: like a defect baseball card that gets out into the market,
Speaker 6: you know, and it becomes like this huge collector's item
Speaker 6: because there's a mistake and they pulled it back, so
Speaker 6: it's like rare. You know, you two can get the
Speaker 6: shirts we printed thinking John Sena was going to be
Speaker 6: a hero, but he doesn't even show up. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: actually exactly that exactly, but you know, who are we know?
Speaker 6: So that's Cody's promo and It's very solid. It keeps
Speaker 6: it alive. I was worried that if he was just
Speaker 6: going to address Sena in kind of like a vacuum,
Speaker 6: that it wouldn't work out. But I'm still hooked. He's
Speaker 6: saying the right things. He's keeping me interested in seeing
Speaker 6: what scene is going to turn around and say. So
Speaker 6: the next link I've sent you is to me, at
Speaker 6: least having watched this stuff play out the first time.
Speaker 6: It got a little awkward because Cody on Friday, you know,
Speaker 6: basically lays the gauntlet down, says the things to get
Speaker 6: under John Cena's skin, you know, calls into question his
Speaker 6: whole ethos and his whole self image, tries to preemptively
Speaker 6: counter what the things Sina would be saying and speechifying
Speaker 6: around justifying his actions and going right ahead and saying
Speaker 6: before you even try, John, there is no justification.
Speaker 4: I love all that.
Speaker 6: But then before Sena offers the retort, Cody's back on
Speaker 6: raw Monday, still talking, And that to me is it
Speaker 6: makes Cody look just a little bit weak because you
Speaker 6: already said everything you had to say, and you drop
Speaker 6: the mic until Sena responds.
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you, but here's the thing, though. This
Speaker 4: is why I don't mind it. I mean, we'll see
Speaker 4: what he says here, because he should be like, where
Speaker 4: are you? Man? Yes, I'm not like I said it
Speaker 4: all last week, but you're not here? Where are you?
Speaker 6: This is a fucking garden, by the way. The next Monday,
Speaker 6: this is where Sena should have done his speed in
Speaker 6: New York City. You know what I mean, if you're
Speaker 6: gonna do it. Yeah, but I guess you know. The
Speaker 6: schedule they had drawn up for him so stupid before
Speaker 6: they did the heel turn didn't include him working enough enough,
Speaker 6: scene enough.
Speaker 4: So here it is. If you're ready, I'm ready. I'm ready, Cody.
Speaker 6: The Monday, after what we just heard, taking the mic
Speaker 6: again in John Cena stead three two one play, Oh
Speaker 6: some let's go Sena.
Speaker 9: Fun things happen when it's live on Netflix, So go
Speaker 9: ahead with all that John Cena sitting somewhere watching him.
Speaker 9: Let's let him hear it.
Speaker 4: What I did.
Speaker 3: But Gruge just didn't go on social media where he
Speaker 3: took to x and he said, have the discipline to
Speaker 3: do what needs to be done, even if you don't
Speaker 3: feel like it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did send that obnoxious tweet. That's cool, agreed, you.
Speaker 9: Ever, that teacher that you wanted to be challenged by
Speaker 9: that mentor that you accepted their lessons even though they
Speaker 9: were almost spiteful and jarring. That coach that stands on
Speaker 9: the sideline while you're in the midst of the fight,
Speaker 9: while you're in the midst of the game, and they're
Speaker 9: still calling plays.
Speaker 3: At a certain point, you have to look over and
Speaker 3: you have to say, John, sit.
Speaker 9: Down, you goddamn moron.
Speaker 3: Best for business, best for business? Right, nobody, nobody defined
Speaker 3: best for business more than John Cina. But I don't know.
Speaker 9: There's almost seventeen thousand people in here tonight more than that.
Speaker 4: Howdy they so shut the fuck up, guys.
Speaker 9: What's best for business? Perhaps the business has changed. I'll
Speaker 9: tell you. It's always tacky to tout stats and the
Speaker 9: carnival bark, But here's a stat that will never be
Speaker 9: It is simply one man's delusion, one man's fantasy.
Speaker 3: And that is seventeen.
Speaker 4: How he looks at the.
Speaker 3: Does not happen.
Speaker 9: But what does happen is I get the heartbreaking privilege
Speaker 9: of beating my hero in his last chance. Why he
Speaker 9: finds out what the rest of you already no and
Speaker 9: he finds it out in real time. John, I'm the
Speaker 9: captain now New York.
Speaker 3: God bless you guys.
Speaker 4: Good naight.
Speaker 12: Toddy Roads has always wanted to be the quarterback of
Speaker 12: Dudley Juddle ye.
Speaker 3: Wie, and that is where he is now. It padded
Speaker 3: forty nights.
Speaker 12: He chases on John Cena Cena chasing history and a
Speaker 12: seventeenth record breaking world championship for that man, Cody Roadstairs.
Speaker 4: In his way the quarterback. I don't know about that,
Speaker 4: but I mean, I don't really understand why all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, instead of him being mad at John Cena
Speaker 4: for beating the shit out of him and humiliating him
Speaker 4: and turning his back on everything he ever believed in,
Speaker 4: now it's about whether he's the top guy in the
Speaker 4: company or not. That's weird, Like Cody shouldn't be thinking
Speaker 4: because Sina hasn't said anything about this. Yeah, Sina hasn't
Speaker 4: said anything about how Cody doesn't deserve to be the
Speaker 4: face of the company.
Speaker 6: He hasn't said a word. But Cody is like intuiting
Speaker 6: that that's what this is about out of nowhere. Instead
Speaker 6: of just being vengeful, I pissed off.
Speaker 4: It could have played if he said, is that why
Speaker 4: you did what you if he asked the question like
Speaker 4: you know, because that's that's where it's coming. That that's
Speaker 4: really what what matters is why why did he do
Speaker 4: what he did? And I think that could be actually
Speaker 4: an interesting thing, you know, if that could have been
Speaker 4: played out very well with the whole idea that john
Speaker 4: I've called you out, man, I've I've I've come out
Speaker 4: here several times and you still don't show up. Where
Speaker 4: are you at? Why did you do what you do?
Speaker 4: Like that, you know, and and and like coming up
Speaker 4: with a different theory every week would be kind of interesting,
Speaker 4: like is this why you did it? Is it because
Speaker 4: of this? Is because I'm the face? Now? Is that
Speaker 4: what the problem is? You have an issue with that? Like,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think it could be that it
Speaker 4: could be it could be interesting the way like again
Speaker 4: that way, I think I think the less of Johnson
Speaker 4: that we that you see the better in the situation,
Speaker 4: like you can use X, you can use it and
Speaker 4: oh it's great. I mean that's what your whole idea was.
Speaker 4: That he do these obnoxious tweet that he used to do.
Speaker 4: He used to do those right the self help one
Speaker 4: that you're talking about that and he kind of did,
Speaker 4: and that's what Cody leaned into right there, but he
Speaker 4: only kind of did it once. I feel like it
Speaker 4: would have been that would have been better just sending
Speaker 4: these motivational tweets the whole time instead of ever appearing
Speaker 4: before the people. Honestly. Yeah.
Speaker 6: But he wrote the one that Cody was responding to,
Speaker 6: which I guess was sent between his SmackDown promo on
Speaker 6: Friday night and the one we just heard on Monday night.
Speaker 6: Sina wrote, have the discipline to do what needs to
Speaker 6: be done, especially when you don't feel like it. That's
Speaker 6: just like so obnoxious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it got all kinds of engagement because now
Speaker 4: it's like he's knowingly doing it. Now, it's like Sina
Speaker 4: gets that that's obnoxious and he's he's doing it, and
Speaker 4: Cody's leaning into that. But I just feel like this
Speaker 4: was when he chose the quarterback language and the whole like,
Speaker 4: you don't think I'm supposed to be the guy. It's like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just I think seeing I think
Speaker 4: Cody should have been much more bloodthirsty and much more
Speaker 4: just mad that he got humiliated then reading into it
Speaker 4: all this stuff about Sina. Scena hasn't said these things yet. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 4: to make Cody just turn tact like this and he
Speaker 4: didn't really say like you said, where are you right?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Good night in New York. At the end, it's like
Speaker 4: this is just like it's almost like we're in New York.
Speaker 4: So we got to get Cody in front of the people.
Speaker 4: You don't do those kind of pat things when you're
Speaker 4: in the middle of a generational program like this. You
Speaker 4: have to mind those kind of details. So I thought
Speaker 4: this was a first jump the shark kind of hint
Speaker 4: here I'm I'm saying it's it was the first time
Speaker 4: where things didn't feel like they were kept above water.
Speaker 4: They sunk just a little bit where it was like
Speaker 4: why is he why is there? Why is he speaking again?
Speaker 4: Nothing's happened. Yeah, it kind of makes him look a
Speaker 4: little desperate. It makes him look like he wants to
Speaker 4: keep it alive more than John Cena wants to keep
Speaker 4: it alive.
Speaker 1: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Jpro.
Speaker 2: He's the lapsed fan wrestling podcast.
Speaker 4: We're gonna go there, We're gonna go to Belgium. We're
Speaker 4: going to go to the first.
Speaker 6: Promo that John Cena cut after turning heel out the
Speaker 6: elimination chamber first time he appeared before the people, and
Speaker 6: like you said, boss As, I'm providing you the link here.
Speaker 6: These are all on YouTube, by the way, which is
Speaker 6: one thing I've been happy to discover during the course
Speaker 6: of preparing for the special report is that they actually
Speaker 6: do do a great job at WWE of putting like
Speaker 6: the key stuff on YouTube. Because you think, like, oh,
Speaker 6: it's all behind like the you know, the paywall of
Speaker 6: like you know, the on demand of your cable system
Speaker 6: for SmackDown, or you've got to get Netflix to be
Speaker 6: able to watch raw and certainly you do to watch
Speaker 6: the whole thing, but they put full segments on there,
Speaker 6: and they put them uncensored. So if if Cody goes,
Speaker 6: you know, if Saampunk goes on Netflix, bullshit. If you
Speaker 6: watch it back on Netflix, it's bleeped because they want
Speaker 6: to favorably rate the replay, I think from a content
Speaker 6: moderation perspective. But when you go on YouTube, they keep
Speaker 6: it totally uncensored on ww's native YouTube channel, and so
Speaker 6: that's good. So you can do you can kind of
Speaker 6: revisit things this way without having to load four different apps,
Speaker 6: because I was like, we're gonna If we're gonna do this,
Speaker 6: we've got to open Peacock, We've got to open Netflix.
Speaker 6: You've got to find a way to get SmackDown YEP,
Speaker 6: which isn't really on any streaming service except Peacock on
Speaker 6: a ninety day delay, so we wouldn't get the latest.
Speaker 4: But here it is, and you're pacing right, you're ready. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is what you wanted. Well, not really, I wanted
Speaker 4: him to wait. Well, I'm not saying what he did. Yeah, right,
Speaker 4: but yeah I was. I was like, I was sitting
Speaker 4: there and I watched I didn't watch the thing, but
Speaker 4: I waited for the show to be over. I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna fucking listen. They got me one time on Netflix
Speaker 4: because I had to, and that was it. Wow. But
Speaker 4: I so I was waiting until it came out and
Speaker 4: I wanted to see you know what it was on
Speaker 4: YouTube and that's what I did. I waited for that
Speaker 4: and then I saw this travesty.
Speaker 6: It's an underplayed part of it too, is this is
Speaker 6: the first mania built up on Netflix, and you know
Speaker 6: they're doing these European time to shows and smacked. You know,
Speaker 6: the numbers are telling a very confusing story that numbers
Speaker 6: such as they exist for streaming in Netflix, are telling
Speaker 6: a very confusing story where it's like numbers haven't really
Speaker 6: grown at all since they've been on Netflix, even through
Speaker 6: the Rumble season, even on the road to WrestleMania. It's
Speaker 6: kind of weird. It's like it's hard to tell if
Speaker 6: anyone cares or if it's just do they lose a
Speaker 6: bunch of people who don't want to sign up for Netflix.
Speaker 6: Don't forget how remarkably old that the Raw audience was
Speaker 6: just like all of cable television, you know above, fifty
Speaker 6: five was like a huge number, which is like, not
Speaker 6: the people that are necessarily going to figure out how
Speaker 6: to use Netflix just to continue five.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, No one wants to fucking do that down.
Speaker 6: Ratings, which of course have remained on traditional linear television,
Speaker 6: have have held up quite well since Raw moved to Netflix,
Speaker 6: indicating and naw's ratings got a little bit of a bump.
Speaker 6: It indicates that people who want to watch wrestling on
Speaker 6: regular television as we've known it aren't going to watch
Speaker 6: Raw anymore. They're just going to watch what's still on
Speaker 6: regular television.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Netflix was the dumbest fucking move that
Speaker 4: could have made.
Speaker 6: I mean, Vince lapsed. Vince took the stage at our
Speaker 6: show last year and said, this is what the peak
Speaker 6: feels like.
Speaker 4: Pal. I know the deal looks great, I know it
Speaker 4: feels like everything, But Cody winning the belt.
Speaker 10: This is it.
Speaker 6: This is It's downhill from here. Yep, not precipitously, but
Speaker 6: it's not going to keep climbing. And as we're on
Speaker 6: the precipice of Wrestlmania forty one and we're just about
Speaker 6: to get into the meat and potatoes of their big
Speaker 6: idea to make this a special show, gotta say, and
Speaker 6: everybody knows it in their bones. Nowhere close to the
Speaker 6: feeling we would have had this close to WrestleMania forty.
Speaker 4: Twenty six minute segment. Holy shit, Yeah it did.
Speaker 6: It took a lot of different uh dudes to the
Speaker 6: entrance as well, which is important for this because it's
Speaker 6: the first time a live crowd reacts to John Cena's
Speaker 6: entrance since the heel turn. Ye, so let's waste no time.
Speaker 6: Three to one play.
Speaker 4: That's a reaction, that's a react. Yeah, listen, it's great,
Speaker 4: don't get me wrong. It would have been better with
Speaker 4: different music. And now what do you see? I'm disappointed
Speaker 4: as all fuck because I see him in his fucking jeorts,
Speaker 4: he's wearing his stupid fucking shirt, he's wearing hisid fucking
Speaker 4: hat like it's just and he's got a fucking like
Speaker 4: he's got his little stupid towel as well, Like it's
Speaker 4: just it's just pathetic. It's just a disappointment. Yeah, let's here,
Speaker 4: at boss, what are you seeing? I mean, listen, they
Speaker 4: are they are screaming. John Cena sucks like at a
Speaker 4: volume you've never seen before.
Speaker 3: Will kill it.
Speaker 4: But like you look at this isn't this John Sena
Speaker 4: that we saw elimination Chamber. This is a This is
Speaker 4: a bitch ass John Cena, Right, you know I was like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, you guys fucking shuck. Who wants to see that? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4: This is not a transformed man. No, this is a
Speaker 4: This is a man who's disappointed in everybody the last time.
Speaker 4: Now stop it, stop it. Sena should be talking about
Speaker 4: now I hurt you fans yep, as opposed to why
Speaker 4: did you hurt me? And while this is you even
Speaker 4: hear the Belgian accent thing you can't, I know.
Speaker 6: But while this is an amazing reaction, the point is,
Speaker 6: if you watch the rest of this Raw, they responded
Speaker 6: just as explosively to everything else.
Speaker 4: Too, of course, I mean, because it's exciting, but.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is on a higher decibel than anything else
Speaker 6: they responded to. But still it's Yeah, it's frustrating that
Speaker 6: you have to grate on a curve when deciding if
Speaker 6: how over this this is or is I mean, look
Speaker 6: at his saw, his red socks, his sneakers.
Speaker 4: Well, he's one of the same fucking goofy shit and
Speaker 4: it's so stupid. His knee pads. He's not even gonna wrestle,
Speaker 4: he's got knee pads on. But it's all right, he's
Speaker 4: got the line in his back pocket about how he's
Speaker 4: not going to give us the satisfaction of a new look. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but you know what that's like, that's not okay, Like
Speaker 4: I mean, they're even saying, let's go Seina. Yeah, that
Speaker 4: was an interesting wrinkle. And you heard Cody there on
Speaker 4: that Raw promo kind of lay out when some of
Speaker 4: the garden crowd is channing, let's go. So like the
Speaker 4: picture of his face there was dumb ass, his fucking
Speaker 4: dumbo ears. Look at that ship. I'm looking at the
Speaker 4: hard came with his hat looking like I am being proud,
Speaker 4: I am being persecuted, Messiah complex. You know, that's like
Speaker 4: the worst. Not what we want. We want a scene
Speaker 4: on his front foot. We want to see a cockier
Speaker 4: than ever, not a scene of that's contemplatively disappointed. This
Speaker 4: is powerful. He's like that. He's just standing in the
Speaker 4: middle of the ring and just taking the abuse. That's
Speaker 4: what he says afterwards, and it's like, Okay, he's not
Speaker 4: going to be This isn't going to light a fire
Speaker 4: under him. It's just going to inspire a lecture, you know,
Speaker 4: a history lesson. I don't like how they think promo
Speaker 4: should be history lessons. I tend to not like that.
Speaker 4: Huh yeah, I mean he is just a fucking joke. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he looks like a total joke. He should have come
Speaker 4: out looking like an adults. Instead, it was like he
Speaker 4: looks like somebody who had like four kids in it
Speaker 4: when he was like by the time he was twenty
Speaker 4: two years old, right, I never got a job at
Speaker 4: like AutoZone and dresses like this for the rest of
Speaker 4: his life. God bless AutoZone and all of our good
Speaker 4: listeners who work there. I'm just you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's supposed to be a superstar, millionaire.
Speaker 3: Someone who's properly ground in.
Speaker 4: Water that he reads the tweet. That was a good idea.
Speaker 4: That's good. See. I don't like that face. He shouldn't
Speaker 4: be smiling at all.
Speaker 3: They shouldn't have to look outside themselves for a pop.
Speaker 4: I don't like that face. No, this again why he
Speaker 4: should not be speaking. He should not be speaking until
Speaker 4: he actually has formed like a face, because now we
Speaker 4: realize he's gon to kind of sound the way he's
Speaker 4: always sounded. Right, right, that's not what we want.
Speaker 3: You are making this so easy for me.
Speaker 4: I like that. You see.
Speaker 3: For twenty five years, I've been.
Speaker 4: The victim history lesson time, Okay, I have been.
Speaker 10: The victim of an abusive relationship.
Speaker 4: He should have No, he should have said it was
Speaker 4: Nicky Bella. She said what he should have said, it
Speaker 4: was Nicky Bella. Yeah, you have lost your time to
Speaker 4: talk moral high ground. He's got rise above hate on
Speaker 4: the side of his hat while he's being hated more
Speaker 4: than any person. Yeah right, be on TV. Right again,
Speaker 4: it's all like, it's so hard.
Speaker 3: What do you do with it? All you do is
Speaker 3: be hurtful.
Speaker 10: All you are is abusive, and all you've ever done
Speaker 10: is bully me in being your damn puppet.
Speaker 3: Expected me to do it with a smile on my face.
Speaker 4: Bully me. Yeah, don't make it about the fans exactly.
Speaker 4: It has to be about you, not them. God, I'm
Speaker 4: so sick of that ship man holding the mic to
Speaker 4: the crowd like CEC.
Speaker 3: So very classy, thank you. Oh look, I am not
Speaker 3: a baby face.
Speaker 4: Oh god, you know we should bring out the terminology
Speaker 4: just for this programs. I'm a human being. It's like,
Speaker 4: I'm not what it was like the fucking Roman Reigns line.
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not a good guy. I'm not a
Speaker 4: bad guy. I'm a I'm the guy. Like, shut up,
Speaker 4: look at him, beg people to boo him. Go ahead.
Speaker 4: You've been awful and it's.
Speaker 3: Been the same damn noise for twenty.
Speaker 4: Five years, No, twenty years, twenty years and twenty week.
Speaker 3: Oh you let me know really loud that you hated me.
Speaker 4: It's such a weird time to have this fit because
Speaker 4: he's been a lot. Right, this could have happened like
Speaker 4: at the ten year mark, but not twenty man he
Speaker 4: had he should have been more clever and found a
Speaker 4: way to like fold that in, like, yeah, you did.
Speaker 4: You have embraced me lately.
Speaker 3: I mean I think of embarrassment, moments of shame.
Speaker 4: I think talking about how they cheer him now is
Speaker 4: a better thing, like you guys cheered me now.
Speaker 10: All of a sudden, I went and I changed myself,
Speaker 10: hoping that you would like me a little bit.
Speaker 3: And it worked for a second, but then it wasn't enough.
Speaker 6: See that's that's not true. It was enough, right, but
Speaker 6: it's definitely enough.
Speaker 3: I worked hard like I always do, and I started
Speaker 3: to win.
Speaker 4: Oh he's talking about further back, Okay, I.
Speaker 3: Said, and win and win and win and win and
Speaker 3: win and win and win.
Speaker 4: Oh I won a lot. I don't think he should.
Speaker 4: I don't think he should yell either. I think him
Speaker 4: I think him talking calmly and like a mistake, almost monotone,
Speaker 4: would be way better and very almost psychotic. Screaming he's screaming,
Speaker 4: this would be more confident. Right, But what he did
Speaker 4: was the righteous move right now, It's almost like he's
Speaker 4: he's reacting as someone who knows he shouldn't have done
Speaker 4: what he did, you know, right, right right, It's almost
Speaker 4: like he's got his tail between He's like, look what
Speaker 4: you made me do? Like, no, that's not the we need. No,
Speaker 4: you stupid motherfuckers. The whole time, you know I could
Speaker 4: do this to you. You're making my point for him moments.
Speaker 4: What's the only thing I can do? Right?
Speaker 3: I could walk away? What a great example.
Speaker 10: They go from chanting shut the f up to cheering
Speaker 10: when I say I'm gonna walk away.
Speaker 4: What same thing.
Speaker 10: So I announced my retirement in a move that has
Speaker 10: never been done before. I'm actually walking away at the.
Speaker 3: End of this year.
Speaker 4: That's not true. People have walked away when they say it. Sometimes,
Speaker 4: Flair one.
Speaker 3: Last time to get along with you, guys, I tried
Speaker 3: one last.
Speaker 4: Time and it was working. No, no one did anything
Speaker 4: since you came back to face Roman Range in SummerSlam
Speaker 4: that year. They've loved you, so knock it off. I
Speaker 4: know he's just like accessing, like this age old thing.
Speaker 4: Say it's like get out of here, like you're boring. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like, no one rejected the retirement tour. Nobody hated
Speaker 4: the idea. Yeah, no, nobody's nobody's hated him in a
Speaker 4: long time, in years, with every breath, I remember the
Speaker 4: the life coming out of it, watching this problem. Yeah, ye,
Speaker 4: it is really where he's going yourself. Don't make it
Speaker 4: about them, That's just the thing. Don't make it about them,
Speaker 4: Make it about yourself. You this, I don't mind. I
Speaker 4: don't mind this. This is fine, But like he should
Speaker 4: have done it. He should have, like he should have
Speaker 4: built up to this moment, Like I like the idea
Speaker 4: of blaming the fans for only taking, Like that's great,
Speaker 4: that is great, but it should have been about him, him,
Speaker 4: him and him him, and then you take. You don't
Speaker 4: give me anything, and so I'm gonna take. Now, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna take the belt from your fucking hero because I
Speaker 4: want to take.
Speaker 3: Not one of you sons of bitches asked me how
Speaker 3: I feel?
Speaker 4: Also, we don't know if it's also the hurt feelings
Speaker 4: we get? What do we get?
Speaker 6: What we Yeah, it's almost like you're selling an entertainment product.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do we get? You seen? Have you seen
Speaker 4: the what you have earned?
Speaker 3: What you have earned is nothing.
Speaker 4: Have you seen the have you seen the meme that
Speaker 4: they uh, they they talk about John Cena going full
Speaker 4: Willy Wonka, and they showed Gene Wilder because he goes,
Speaker 4: you get nothing. It's really funny there he goes. You
Speaker 4: won't get new you won't get a new look, you
Speaker 4: won't get new music. Yeah, it's got My time is finally,
Speaker 4: not like it's been your time a million years, Like
Speaker 4: I don't get that you get is to take a
Speaker 4: long You don't get a new look, you don't get
Speaker 4: new music. No, okaye, no. See what he says instead
Speaker 4: of instead of saying that, he says, to see how
Speaker 4: how you look. Take a long look in the mirror,
Speaker 4: so you can see how much better I am than you, Yes, exactly,
Speaker 4: not how much better I wished you were, Not how
Speaker 4: awful you are, but how much better I am than
Speaker 4: you are. That's putt you're putting the audience on the stage, right.
Speaker 4: The audience should be watching the stage, right, oh Cody.
Speaker 4: That on Codin's.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course.
Speaker 4: See the fact that they started changing that to me
Speaker 4: is like they're kind of bored. They're going nuts. But
Speaker 4: like you keep saying the same thing a hundred times,
Speaker 4: I felt like he was lost on this. I really do.
Speaker 3: That you're awful people.
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like I feel like this was
Speaker 4: a I'm getting the vibe that maybe Paul was like, hey, John,
Speaker 4: go out there and just express yourself how you felt
Speaker 4: those days, you know, and it's like, but he's not
Speaker 4: good at that exactly.
Speaker 10: Ding if you very easily, it's nailed it. You're the
Speaker 10: let's go seea people.
Speaker 6: Oh, can't have their support either, guy's gonna try to
Speaker 6: extinguish them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're the people are like, man, you're the people
Speaker 4: who have done everything I just said no one ever
Speaker 4: did for me. See to me, this is what's not
Speaker 4: gonna sell merchandise, right, you know, if he didn't show up,
Speaker 4: that would have sold merchandise. Fascinating, right, But now he's
Speaker 4: telling you actively not to buy the shirts, right exactly,
Speaker 4: Like see, now the let's go see a chance start
Speaker 4: up to get because the shouldn't be you hear that world, The.
Speaker 10: Sina sucks jack offs. They've already proven themselves awful people.
Speaker 4: Oh, I said, jack ass, tell you why.
Speaker 3: The let's go Scena people are just as awful.
Speaker 4: I wish you would support me him to support me. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: what have you t shirts ever done? Sirs? What have
Speaker 4: you put millions of dollars in your pocket.
Speaker 3: What have you ever done to support me?
Speaker 4: Well, they're in the audience, done for me, they're there.
Speaker 4: What do they wanted to cook your dinner? Jerk you
Speaker 4: off from Yeah, you actually steal from them by pretending to, right,
Speaker 4: I mean you steal from them because you put on
Speaker 4: a con every time you come in the ring.
Speaker 10: You have made me the butt of a stupid, invisible
Speaker 10: joke for fifteen It's not invisible.
Speaker 3: It is not funny.
Speaker 6: It's weird that he would take that. You can't see
Speaker 6: anything personally, like why it's not even an insult.
Speaker 3: You are pathetic?
Speaker 4: Yeah you are. Actually you are the whole point. You
Speaker 4: don't want to hear this is tough.
Speaker 12: No, it's not.
Speaker 4: It's not tough. It's not ready to hear. It is tough.
Speaker 4: It is tough to hear. Actually, he's not wrong.
Speaker 6: You can't lean into an uncomfortable conversation. He said you
Speaker 6: literally said.
Speaker 4: That, right.
Speaker 3: Feel good.
Speaker 10: You wear words like hustle, loyalty, and respect. I live
Speaker 10: them every day.
Speaker 4: See, that's that's a good one to key. He could
Speaker 4: have kept that one. You think that's a good line.
Speaker 3: Up.
Speaker 10: I am the definition of perseverance and every person here.
Speaker 4: No, see that's that's good. That's good. Yep. It should
Speaker 4: have started there. But everything right, everything that came before
Speaker 4: it ruins it though.
Speaker 3: Support me. What you do is you use me?
Speaker 4: That's good. This is good for your Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 4: that's good. Good, that's good.
Speaker 10: You've done there for twenty five years is sit on
Speaker 10: your ass and watch me.
Speaker 4: This is how he should have started, Like they should
Speaker 4: have cut all this ship and just started right there.
Speaker 10: This this everybody, including that one kid right there, is
Speaker 10: a toxic, dysfunctional relationship.
Speaker 4: Well that's I mean, okay. Is that what maybe told
Speaker 4: them all the time? And he's using that for these
Speaker 4: fucking clowns? What's that? Maybe that's what Nicky told him,
Speaker 4: you know when after seeing the therapist, like I'm going
Speaker 4: to talk relationship with you, and so he's using that.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, he is he is like this is
Speaker 4: gonna be what Nicky Bella did do him.
Speaker 3: You're dumped. I don't need you anymore, I.
Speaker 4: Don't see you. What he should say, I don't need
Speaker 4: you anymore because I'm a movie star and I'm fucking
Speaker 4: selling tickets in a in a in a better medium,
Speaker 4: than this. I still got ten minutes of this fucking thing.
Speaker 4: You know, this is a moment again to kind of
Speaker 4: make it a little more realistic. He shouldn't have come
Speaker 4: down with music. No, he should have been held back
Speaker 4: and definitely not with Piro and look at him smile.
Speaker 4: Would you remember what he did to him in Toronto? Right?
Speaker 4: Do you remember the fire in his eyes on that
Speaker 4: SmackDown promo with a black eye? Yeah, this is where
Speaker 4: they lost me. But he's not pissed. He's gonna get
Speaker 4: He's gonna get a ship in there. He's gonna get
Speaker 4: a ship and he's gonna pose and I know, no.
Speaker 4: Big mistake. See, this is the problem is that they're
Speaker 4: they're trying to give the this is this is where
Speaker 4: this is. This is where you don't do this ship
Speaker 4: on the television show. Give them this ship in the
Speaker 4: house shows. Don't do this for the television show when
Speaker 4: you're trying to build up a program. Big mistake.
Speaker 6: And part of it is they, like I swear to God,
Speaker 6: is they're going to a market for the that they
Speaker 6: only go to once every four years, and they know
Speaker 6: people want to play sing along and the fans want
Speaker 6: to imitate the American wrestling audiences.
Speaker 4: So why are you doing like? They're still cheer for him.
Speaker 4: Don't don't it's just so stupid. But they got to
Speaker 4: sing a song. Oh book, how great it is you're
Speaker 4: singing with him. Guess what. I want a real story here,
Speaker 4: and I want anger and I want vengeance. I don't
Speaker 4: want this ship. I want I want the grandson of
Speaker 4: a plumber versus the uh the rapper from the tough
Speaker 4: streets of West Newbury, Massachusetts. The grandson of a plumber
Speaker 4: versus the son of an assessor. The tax assessor a
Speaker 4: guy who works for a guy who worked for the
Speaker 4: Mathuin whatever the fuck he DIDs up? The son of
Speaker 4: a guy used to pose at doctor Fozzio's house from
Speaker 4: the Missus Fazio taking his fucking shirt off and showing
Speaker 4: her his muscles. Like what, It's kind of perverted in
Speaker 4: a way, you know, some Oedipus ship going on there.
Speaker 4: But all right, here we go, Cody, see you can
Speaker 4: get this thing back on track. Brother, Have you seen
Speaker 4: Cody's No, I was. I didn't even see all the
Speaker 4: john seenor thing. Honestly, I didn't care so much. Once
Speaker 4: he came out looking like that, I was just I
Speaker 4: was like, fuck this. You don't get a new look,
Speaker 4: you don't get new music. Okay, great, then guess what
Speaker 4: you don't get someone interested in your fucking thing here,
Speaker 4: So I'll tell you what. You know what you don't get. Yeah,
Speaker 4: exactly got to go through the European chance too. Yes,
Speaker 4: it is all bad, bad, bad, bad bad. And I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that they shouldn't. I just think they would
Speaker 4: have been better off skipping this whole thing. And I'm
Speaker 4: not doing this until they are back in the United States.
Speaker 4: I just said absolutely, yeah for this reason, because it's
Speaker 4: just too much about the fans. Because that's right the
Speaker 4: way it always is when you bring live television. That's
Speaker 4: why they never did fucking shows like this. They did.
Speaker 4: They did the video cassettes back in the day. You know, Like,
Speaker 4: I get it's exciting for them to be on live TV,
Speaker 4: but stupid. Let them have a fucking network special. You know,
Speaker 4: it's just not it's just not what the moment calls for. Yeah,
Speaker 4: let them have a Netflix exclusive, you know, a premium
Speaker 4: live Netflix event. What I what always, what I always
Speaker 4: love is they try to make an enthusiastic crowd shut up.
Speaker 4: See this is like, no, all right, this is the problem.
Speaker 4: Nothing to do. These two are supposed to be They're
Speaker 4: supposed to be hanging on every word they say. They're
Speaker 4: just excited to see fake sports. Exactly.
Speaker 3: I think everybody was willing to hear you out.
Speaker 4: Not the Belgian fans, I understood.
Speaker 3: Correctly from what you just said. They've given you their worst.
Speaker 9: But sure they might have given you their worst, they
Speaker 9: have also given you.
Speaker 3: Their best for twenty five years and they did that.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing. What does John Cena is anger
Speaker 4: towards the fans have to do with him turning on
Speaker 4: Cody Roads.
Speaker 3: They did that, you could carry it.
Speaker 4: Stupid because he already locked in the title. Shot just
Speaker 4: won the he won the chamber.
Speaker 3: And it's certainly not kid, it's w w E champion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you missed that, Scena step to him and said, listen, kid.
Speaker 3: On the mound and let me ask you, who the
Speaker 3: hell are you? Where's the guy on this shirt.
Speaker 4: Right here in front of you, right there? I mean,
Speaker 4: he might as well just look in a salute. He's
Speaker 4: doing the same sh he always does.
Speaker 9: Inspect of going week to week face to face with
Speaker 9: John Cena, and instead I got this, Well, this better
Speaker 9: not show up at wrestle Mania, because if it does,
Speaker 9: I run it over.
Speaker 3: I run it out because I already.
Speaker 9: Took it's best shot and it wasn't good enough.
Speaker 3: I retire it early.
Speaker 9: So go find John Cena because I want to wrestle
Speaker 9: him at wressele Mayne forty one, not this whiny bitch.
Speaker 6: And it'd be one thing if that lit a fire
Speaker 6: under Sena. But and he makes a face like it did.
Speaker 6: But then it comes back and just speech ifies again.
Speaker 6: But that was a good line book by Cody because
Speaker 6: it was in acknowledging how cringe Sina was being. You know, yeah,
Speaker 6: it wasn't taking too seriously the false fervency of Sina's message.
Speaker 6: Seen the standing in the middle of the ring watching Cody.
Speaker 4: Exit with a It's over, Jenny, It's over.
Speaker 10: Is It.
Speaker 4: Sounds like it is?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: What is this Codin's Codin's Roads. Chance, that's the European one,
Speaker 4: Codin's Codin's Road, Codin's Codins Roads, Codin's Codin's Roads. Anything
Speaker 4: to say, John with your yeah like a fucking a child,
Speaker 4: that's the fucking idiot, the slow glare and drops the mic.
Speaker 13: Yeah, Yeah, it's his towel back the last time is now?
Speaker 4: H M, such a cry bit. He's walking off the
Speaker 4: field like, yeah, coach who just lost the Super Bowl? Right?
Speaker 4: It was? Look like uh, Tom Brady says on his
Speaker 4: ass remember that. Yeah, it's sad. And then he stops
Speaker 4: at the iss away and does the Undertaker look over
Speaker 4: his shoulder, what are you Undertaker and fucking raise your
Speaker 4: fist stuff like an asshole.
Speaker 6: All I know is what John zen attorneyl The first
Speaker 6: thing I thought of is how is Belgium going to ring?
Speaker 4: Exactly so weird. I'm gonna send you something because listen,
Speaker 4: I've I've you know, I'm fascinated, you know, because one
Speaker 4: of the one of the key things is that the
Speaker 4: music needed to go. The music needed to go. There
Speaker 4: are so many people, there are so many people who
Speaker 4: have written but YouTube videos of their own custom versions
Speaker 4: of John Heena, John Cena his heel song, John Heena,
Speaker 4: it's a better name for him, Johnsena's heel theme, like
Speaker 4: a version of it, like their own, their own inspiration.
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna send you one because I fucking love
Speaker 4: this one. This one was so fucking it's so epic.
Speaker 4: It's just crazy intense. You get it. Boss, he's a heel,
Speaker 4: so you're not going to get right, which is like,
Speaker 4: you know, I was supposed to get excited about a heel.
Speaker 4: Turn that doesn't give me what I want. I mean,
Speaker 4: like I just want to I mean, that's that's not
Speaker 4: what it is, is not You're not going to get
Speaker 4: what you want. I mean because listen, they've already they've
Speaker 4: already suffered through that with Johnsena exactly. You know, so
Speaker 4: like the idea it needs to be that they is
Speaker 4: that this guy is just the antithesis of everything he
Speaker 4: preached about. This guy who talked about hustle, loyalty and respect,
Speaker 4: talked about not caring the ideas that in actuality. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's this little fucking smarmye Hollywood bitch who just is
Speaker 4: all about himself. Oh, doctor corps. Shout out to doctor corps. Ye,
Speaker 4: he's got it. Seen it with the hat on with
Speaker 4: the red eyes. That's cool. Yeah, that's would have worked
Speaker 4: because he goes back little prototype he tells it on
Speaker 4: machine Yeah, h yeah, it's all boring. It's all boring.
Speaker 4: He's he's used the same song. Yeah. Oh listen, it's
Speaker 4: like it's off. It's off, like it's not the same notes.
Speaker 4: It's just it's using minor minor chords instead, and it's
Speaker 4: just like it makes that big of a difference, Like
Speaker 4: imagine WrestleMania the first time comes out to the exactly
Speaker 4: first time you see you and it comes out to this,
Speaker 4: it's the time. The time isn't in Belgium, the time
Speaker 4: is then. Oh and they missed it. They fucked it up,
Speaker 4: Like he comes out no, Piro, it's just like black.
Speaker 4: It's just darkness and a spotlight on him. Don't be
Speaker 4: mad that this is a better idea, don't retreat to
Speaker 4: your corner of just enjoy the ride and let us
Speaker 4: do our job. Fans shouldn't be able to book better
Speaker 4: stuff than you do. That's not the bargain we make. Yep,
Speaker 4: this isn't the John c and I just saw walk
Speaker 4: Out and Bell not at all. Jesus, what an idea.
Speaker 4: This really grabs me, right, But they're so creatively bankrupt
Speaker 4: in the music department these days. Oh they fired Doctor Corpse.
Speaker 4: Please this guy. That's that's the thing about the modern
Speaker 4: media environment. You can't act like you couldn't come up
Speaker 4: with something better. People just did already. And if you
Speaker 4: don't have the the lack of pride of authorship to
Speaker 4: just embrace someone else's better idea, then it's now we're
Speaker 4: back to the Vince regime again. Yeah, yes, put listen
Speaker 4: to this all weekend as part of our King King
Speaker 4: King King, King, King, King, King, King King King and
Speaker 4: King King King King. I can see him like I
Speaker 4: can see the video package flying shoulder box like zooming
Speaker 4: in on his face at Elimination Chamber first time you
Speaker 4: see him. Yep, it's so so good. It's fucking brilliant.
Speaker 4: H oo. It sounds like a failing system. Damn. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well thanks for that. That was awesome. Isn't that great?
Speaker 4: Fucking doctor corps man. Yeah, whoever you are, Jude, dude,
Speaker 4: you're brilliant. Love it.
Speaker 6: Fuck Now I'm more excited than ever to go forward.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, to not get what we uh, you know,
Speaker 4: to not get what you want, which I guess at
Speaker 4: the whole point, to not get what you want.
Speaker 6: I mean, we started this thing playing back the sound
Speaker 6: of our live call of Elimination Chamber, recapturing that emotion
Speaker 6: when seeing a kicked Cody and the balls and turn
Speaker 6: heel and what that was like, and now we just
Speaker 6: watched seeing his first words since that happened. Uh appropriate, where.
Speaker 4: Are you at? I'm I listen, I I I stopped
Speaker 4: caring for a reason. That's right, and that that could
Speaker 4: be the motto of this podcast. Damn right, Oh that's
Speaker 4: just awful. I mean, I mean I said it all
Speaker 4: like you can in the ring with the boo boo
Speaker 4: face right. If anything, he should have been red eyed.
Speaker 4: He should have been or like had a crazy smile
Speaker 4: on his face like yes, you know, like like yeah, right,
Speaker 4: you know, he can say what you want. Codin's You
Speaker 4: people have been awful to me. Oh, for God's sake,
Speaker 4: what's what he said? Oh? No, you talk about how
Speaker 4: much better? Like again he he he got it. He
Speaker 4: got some moments about it in the middle of his promo.
Speaker 6: That's why I felt like he was lost because the
Speaker 6: the lines were in there, but there was so much
Speaker 6: extraneous stuff that I felt like was borderline ad libbed
Speaker 6: that to me. Yeah, you feel like he was panicking
Speaker 6: almost a bit. Like he again, I feel like he
Speaker 6: was given the opportunity. I feel like he he I
Speaker 6: really feel like Paul said, just you.
Speaker 11: Know, go out there for ten minutes first, before you
Speaker 11: get to the stuff that we got for you, just
Speaker 11: go out there and just kind of just then talk
Speaker 11: about what you've been feeling, you know.
Speaker 4: And it's like, how about how about No it doesn't
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, because the whole it can it
Speaker 4: could work. You could get angry at the fans if
Speaker 4: you brought up the fact that you guys started to
Speaker 4: cheering me all of a sudden, Huh what happened there? Yes,
Speaker 4: you know, that's that's you know, you start off with
Speaker 4: everything that Elsie said. You talk about how great he
Speaker 4: is and how you know you guys, you guys buy
Speaker 4: this shit. I live this shit, but you guys are
Speaker 4: suckers because you fucking buy it. I live hustle to
Speaker 4: loyalty and respect whatever the fuck you guys just wear
Speaker 4: that shit.
Speaker 6: And I take your and I take your money, yes,
Speaker 6: instead of you take my money? Right, you take take
Speaker 6: take right? Are we taking by patronizing your business.
Speaker 4: Right exactly exactly? It makes no sense? And and then
Speaker 4: you know then and then he says, then all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, you know, I'm I'm gone for a while,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, I'm this I'm your hero
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, All of a sudden, you guys
Speaker 4: love me, Yeah, you know, like.
Speaker 6: I would have gotten into like you know, the way
Speaker 6: people talk shit about him when he was when he
Speaker 6: showed us the side of himself on Total Divas. You know,
Speaker 6: the more you learned about me, the more, all of
Speaker 6: a sudden everything.
Speaker 4: You want to write the problem. You wanted to see
Speaker 4: what I was really like on Total Divas, and you
Speaker 4: guys didn't like that either. Exactly. That's me. This is
Speaker 4: That's it right here, That's who I am. I'm the
Speaker 4: selfish robot.
Speaker 3: The selfish.
Speaker 4: His opponent, the selfish Robot.
Speaker 6: Make the T shirt and have it up for wrestle
Speaker 6: any weekend. I want to Red Eyed Sena just like that.
Speaker 4: It would be funny after the prototype days, right, that
Speaker 4: doesn't that sound like a Pixar movie.
Speaker 6: It's the sequel to Wally Yeah. Well, as you can imagine,
Speaker 6: it does not end there. It does not end there
Speaker 6: because now the seal has been broken. John Cena has
Speaker 6: spoken and we're now dealing with what he thinks is
Speaker 6: the best kind of distillation and explaining his motivation for
Speaker 6: turning on Cody elimination Chamber and creating all this buzz.
Speaker 6: We move it forward to the next episode of Raw
Speaker 6: where Sina opens his mouth, and this one takes place
Speaker 6: in Scotland.
Speaker 4: So we're going, my god, we're still overseas. Jesus Christ,
Speaker 4: it's got a two week tour. If you got that up,
Speaker 4: well we'll get this one. There we go. Is it
Speaker 4: supposed to be at the Is it supposed to at
Speaker 4: the one thirteen mark? Uh? No, at the beginning? Go
Speaker 4: to the beginning? Okay, yeah, you have, sorry, you have
Speaker 4: full segment. Cody Rhodes and JOHNSENA yeah, yeah, but it
Speaker 4: started at the one thirteen second.
Speaker 6: Okay, alright, here we go. Folks three to one play
Speaker 6: pretty strong booze yep.
Speaker 4: Not as strong as Belgium, though, well yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: you expect that that would be the biggest this first
Speaker 4: time seeing and now they realize that he is that
Speaker 4: he does suck. So oh Jesus, look at this. Why
Speaker 4: now he's dressed in yellow and maybe look at his face. Oh,
Speaker 4: he's got Scotland colors. Of course, yeah, of course, I know.
Speaker 4: Whiny bitch. John Cena is not fun not the move. No,
Speaker 4: it's so funny because all those years Vince was like
Speaker 4: a baby face can never whine. A baby face can
Speaker 4: ever complain about losing a match, because that wouldn't be
Speaker 4: a baby face thing to do. And now we're seeing
Speaker 4: the flip side of that coin that John Cena, who
Speaker 4: does complain, He does bitch and it doesn't work.
Speaker 11: No, but like.
Speaker 4: Psychotic obsessed John Cena would be fascinating. And again, stop
Speaker 4: with the fucking tie. See this is it. The the
Speaker 4: fucking towels, the fucking merchandise. I'm done, I'm done. He's
Speaker 4: got the last time as now, towel behind his head
Speaker 4: as he makes his way down the aisle. Yeah, thank
Speaker 4: god the.
Speaker 8: Reaction here tonight in Glasgow, Scotland, Glasgow.
Speaker 14: Yeah, millions of fans who are stunned last week, why.
Speaker 12: As John Cena.
Speaker 3: Turned his back on the.
Speaker 4: W W universe. You already did that in February, right
Speaker 4: in March Elimination.
Speaker 12: Chamber, twenty six nights away from Seeinga's opportunity to make
Speaker 12: history and winning.
Speaker 4: It's kind of weird too to still pigeonhole in the
Speaker 4: seventeenth title thing. Yeah, like that's that's so immaterial at
Speaker 4: this point. He won the chamber, he had the title shot.
Speaker 4: That is not why he turned heel right that shot.
Speaker 4: Never expected John Cena to blame every member of the universe.
Speaker 3: Even his fans.
Speaker 4: Even his fans won't right.
Speaker 3: To cut a final boss.
Speaker 4: Oh my final boss reference. That's a first. But you
Speaker 4: noticed they had Pat McAfee say final Boss, not John
Speaker 4: c Yeah. Right, there we go again.
Speaker 3: Seems like you have just something you want to say
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 4: Nope, not really not interested. Thanks though, surrender you know
Speaker 4: what I love. They pretend that they're not interested in that,
Speaker 4: they're bored, but they do a six hour podcast about it.
Speaker 10: Yeah right, Yeah, you're ready here tonight to do your
Speaker 10: worst star shoe. It's because you finally understand what is
Speaker 10: going on. I have turned the spotlight on you.
Speaker 4: Please, Oh god, say shut the fuck you had plenty
Speaker 4: of spotlight one of you.
Speaker 3: Random ticket holders, and rip you to shreds.
Speaker 4: What does that even mean?
Speaker 6: What does that even mean? Say that they're selfish, No
Speaker 6: one is sa no one's safe. Where do you get
Speaker 6: that from? Yeah, especially the people who wanted to be
Speaker 6: interested in this fucking thing.
Speaker 10: This is poor, pathetic face was everywhere. I hate that
Speaker 10: love wwe posted it.
Speaker 3: And you all loved it.
Speaker 4: Fuck you? Soona there it is there we go, fuck
Speaker 4: you Scotland say that over here Tom Ww's credit man,
Speaker 4: they upload that ship unedited to their.
Speaker 3: Who's worse me?
Speaker 15: The one guy who actually always tells the truth, or
Speaker 15: all of you.
Speaker 10: Whose best idea is to use profanity?
Speaker 4: What he's gonna rail against them for saying you.
Speaker 10: Love to watch and rewatch and meme a poor, defenseless
Speaker 10: little kid getting destroyed? What show need to single out
Speaker 10: anyone here? Because you are all horrible people.
Speaker 4: Oh, for God's sakes enough, you're a bitch.
Speaker 10: Tonight you get to find out how I make you
Speaker 10: pay for the abuse.
Speaker 4: You have put to my God, it didn't used to
Speaker 4: be better, by the way, if you can scar at
Speaker 4: home and guess what John Cena used to be better too.
Speaker 3: Five years I have listened to your.
Speaker 4: Live twenty years, twenty years, twenty Just don't don't don't
Speaker 4: joke yourself here, don't kid yourself. Didn't wait, it happened
Speaker 4: after you won the championship in two thousand and five.
Speaker 4: You're fucking moron. Oh yes, shut the fuck up. Honestly,
Speaker 4: they should not be chanting that when you consider where
Speaker 4: we were at the chamber. They should really be hanging
Speaker 4: on his every word. They should be booing him, but
Speaker 4: they should be interested in what he has to say.
Speaker 4: They shouldn't want him to just at his mouth. That's
Speaker 4: not a good sign to me. I agree, this is
Speaker 4: so easy. You're making it so hard, John. I know.
Speaker 10: While you are chanting profanity at the top of your lungs,
Speaker 10: I've been paying attention.
Speaker 3: I've been learning from you.
Speaker 10: Quizzing you, studying you, testing you, prodding you.
Speaker 4: Stop it. What does this mean?
Speaker 3: Warning you for playing.
Speaker 10: Along with your stupid, childish, curse ridden nursery rhymes.
Speaker 4: He's lost, he's lost. He doesn't know what he's talking about.
Speaker 4: That's just that's awful.
Speaker 3: So you have told me every single thing about you.
Speaker 4: Paying at the fans. I know, stop making about the
Speaker 4: fans about me.
Speaker 3: I know more about you than you.
Speaker 4: Well, if that's the case, then.
Speaker 3: Your luck.
Speaker 4: Then you should know. You should shut your mouth. Then
Speaker 4: just get the fuck out of my life. Your life
Speaker 4: is sad. Okay, here goes.
Speaker 3: Is the best it's gonna get. This is all you have? Okay,
Speaker 3: And me said nothing more than why speim? You have
Speaker 3: been rats in a cage?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Oh I don't.
Speaker 3: Take out any moment in my career.
Speaker 4: Okay, tell you what I learned from you about I mean,
Speaker 4: I should tell him, Hey, John, I was the one
Speaker 4: preaching at UH Wrestling twenty three that you were their
Speaker 4: lord and savior. What does that put Where does that
Speaker 4: put me on your map of when I was vanilla?
Speaker 4: You were bored, but I was loyal, you were loved.
Speaker 4: That doesn't make any sense. Respect when I was.
Speaker 6: Selfish or disrespected, that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4: When I was bored, I changed the channel. This so
Speaker 4: so simple, it says over and over again. You make
Speaker 4: this so simple, and it's like, then why does it
Speaker 4: take twenty five minutes?
Speaker 10: You will always tell me everything about yourselves because you
Speaker 10: so desperately.
Speaker 4: Want to matter.
Speaker 3: Thing you ever told me was in April two thousand
Speaker 3: and five. It was a day, I guess.
Speaker 10: Greatest idea I gave you This one's for your boss,
Speaker 10: Oh Spinner Championship.
Speaker 4: All right, don't take this. The only rest pause lines
Speaker 4: he gets here when he talks about the stuff we
Speaker 4: talked about new music. Look, that was like, that's good alive.
Speaker 3: All you have to do is google negative comments.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what I like. I like the idea
Speaker 4: that he brought that. That's the greatest thing he fucking did.
Speaker 4: I think that's hilarious. Actually, that's a good one.
Speaker 10: Because I changed your championship into a toy, and the
Speaker 10: championship is not a toy. The championship is a symbol
Speaker 10: of the center of all this, and the toy belt
Speaker 10: I made for you disrespected tradition and disrespected your legacy.
Speaker 4: What you ain't talking about what the fans legacy, who
Speaker 4: my mom's legacy is.
Speaker 10: Mostly because that was the biggest mistake you ever made.
Speaker 10: In that one single moment, you were vulnerable enough to
Speaker 10: actually tell you means the.
Speaker 3: Most to you in this life. And now that I
Speaker 3: know that, I am going.
Speaker 4: To ruin wrestling, well, well I'm going to.
Speaker 10: I am going to ruin wrestling for every FANKA.
Speaker 3: For every wrestler, for everyone.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's actually a good sentiment. I just it's it's again.
Speaker 4: Everything leading up to it is what sucks. It's too late. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's got the lines in there, but he has four
Speaker 4: hundred lines.
Speaker 10: He doesn't need force you to forget the name of
Speaker 10: the fun machine jet Fly whoa Rick Flair?
Speaker 4: See that's good there, right, that's good.
Speaker 3: You will forever say the name John Cena.
Speaker 4: So that's good. That's great. Yeah. The ramming against the
Speaker 4: fans is when he used to go like this, one's good.
Speaker 10: I'm going to win that championship, the center of every superstar,
Speaker 10: of this entire business, of every fan in this building.
Speaker 10: I will win that championship and retire with it.
Speaker 4: Great. That's a great threat. I am taking it home
Speaker 4: with me good.
Speaker 10: And leaving all of you to create a brand new
Speaker 10: toy belts because the real one.
Speaker 3: Comes home with me.
Speaker 4: Good. I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3: I will be the last real Chipion in WWE.
Speaker 4: This is good. Oh, let's t get carried away. Revenge
Speaker 4: is best served cold about real chance.
Speaker 10: I pay you back by ripping your heart out and
Speaker 10: forcing you to watch as I just walk away with
Speaker 10: your memories, with your traditions and your dreams, and there.
Speaker 3: Is nothing you can do to stop me.
Speaker 4: I don't hate this. Yeah. He hit a strate at
Speaker 4: the end. Well man, Wow, it's so nice of Cody
Speaker 4: to let John talk for twenty minutes. Yeah, and then
Speaker 4: come out with his music to uh instead of just
Speaker 4: running out and beating his ass. I'm not for this ship.
Speaker 4: Here he comes again with no, he's gonna fucking wait
Speaker 4: for Pyro. He's gonna talk to fans, He's gonna he's
Speaker 4: gonna go on the ground it all, you know, the
Speaker 4: smile and like yeah, everybody here we go Like he's
Speaker 4: walking out on Carson, you know exactly. He's fucking gonna
Speaker 4: sit out there and suck Jay Leno's dick. Everyone's got
Speaker 4: to do this. You gonna deprive Scotland of the woe.
Speaker 4: I would listen, House show, house show, do it at
Speaker 4: the house show after the TV show's over. What is
Speaker 4: so hard about that?
Speaker 6: But putting it on the show is what makes people
Speaker 6: want to go to the show and so they can
Speaker 6: do it too.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not interested in that. And if that's part
Speaker 4: of what makes the business home, that's part of why
Speaker 4: I say it used to be better because he didn't
Speaker 4: have to do that before to get people engaged. You know,
Speaker 4: they didn't have to be participants. It's like a building
Speaker 4: full of people who show up to w W now
Speaker 4: and say, what can I do? Right? You know what
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 3: Scout's gonna have to save wrestling?
Speaker 4: Who's gonnas gonna save wrestling? Great? See, I don't quite
Speaker 4: get how if johnsona wins the belt, Wrestling goes down
Speaker 4: the trend.
Speaker 6: That's gonna not that didn't speak very highly of his
Speaker 6: drawing ability. H it's time for a point counterpoint Scotland digition,
Speaker 6: fucking meet the press here.
Speaker 4: That that suit Cody's wearing. Met the press back in
Speaker 4: the hotel, right right? What shoes Cody? Say? Here? Boss,
Speaker 4: real quick? And Cody should say, shut the funck off,
Speaker 4: going to kick your ass, you dumb bitch, and knocked
Speaker 4: the hat off his head, yes, and slap him. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 4: that'd be great if you just didn't say anything, yep,
Speaker 4: because you expect another speech and he just walks up
Speaker 4: and doesn't say a word. As you know, steps to
Speaker 4: John how to go through this, whether it's yeat or
Speaker 4: it's the whoah for seth rollins, or it's this or
Speaker 4: even edge and aw they sing his song. Now we
Speaker 4: just kind of have to sit here so sick of
Speaker 4: this shit. Wait, you know, fifty five seconds min and
Speaker 4: a half for the ship to pass, still doing it
Speaker 4: pretty roads roads rods contains codin roads.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, what did you say? You said you were
Speaker 3: going to take this away from them. Don't you think
Speaker 3: you need to take it away? From me.
Speaker 4: First, I thought about that. You know, it's like they
Speaker 4: this is this is, this is Bretton Vince all over again.
Speaker 10: How up?
Speaker 4: They just don't know how to tell the straight story.
Speaker 4: It's a story, you know, like it's a simple story.
Speaker 4: You don't need all these theatrics to make this work.
Speaker 4: You don't know these all the psycho analysis. I'm so
Speaker 4: sick of psycho analysis and wrestling.
Speaker 3: But you have made a massive mistake. And the mistake
Speaker 3: was not hitting me upside the head with this at
Speaker 3: the elimination chamber.
Speaker 4: No, no, no.
Speaker 9: The mistake was saying what you just said in front
Speaker 9: of these lovely people while I was.
Speaker 4: In Boring Mooring. He called us lovely hang out. Codin's
Speaker 4: Co Controls contains Colden's Roads, Codins Co controlls, Codin's Co
Speaker 4: con rolls Codins Co con rolls. That would just blow
Speaker 4: the chain up so hard. If like you had to
Speaker 4: cone Codins, they would be so confused. I love it.
Speaker 4: That's that would make it brilliant. Roll this whole thing,
Speaker 4: bothers MEPA history. Oh really, I don't need to unload
Speaker 4: your fucking listen. I'm gonna unload a load on your
Speaker 4: face if we don't fucking get this thing back on track, brother.
Speaker 3: One time, just to validate one name, I understand.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you understand him correctly, then you're the
Speaker 4: only one. I don't know what he's talking about.
Speaker 9: All of professional wrestling hangs in the balance because of
Speaker 9: your vanity.
Speaker 4: What are you talking about? That's what you said, you
Speaker 4: want to take it? That's okay, I'm talking about his
Speaker 4: vanity is okay. I don't understand how seen A winning
Speaker 4: is gonna end wrestling right now? Okay, that's a good story.
Speaker 6: Take you long enough. So Atoss is at the mike,
Speaker 6: Cody has ripped his shirt.
Speaker 4: Open ring roads, Colden's Colden's Roads, Colden's Colden's Roads. Nobodys
Speaker 4: his fighting stand. Let me go home. This is so
Speaker 4: fucking lame. Sna leaves the ring instead of engaging in
Speaker 4: debate Society version ten MM.
Speaker 6: Up the aisle, he goes. Pat calls from all directions.
Speaker 4: Sean, Yeah, that's a good one, John, It's like Eric, no, yeah,
Speaker 4: right right, Oh it's hena turned around now making his
Speaker 4: way back towards the ring. You're gonna prove yourself a man,
Speaker 4: I guess. Golly, just saying John to change his mind
Speaker 4: about me. Okay, prove yourself a man, John, I was
Speaker 4: leaving again, did this? You gotta be kidding me? Look
Speaker 4: on his face?
Speaker 9: What John? I cannot let you do it. I cannot
Speaker 9: have that on my conscience right now. I need you
Speaker 9: to see me.
Speaker 3: I need you to Oh my God, and I need
Speaker 3: you to understand.
Speaker 4: Shut up. Psychotic need to take you both suck putting
Speaker 4: this fucking thing over to keep it.
Speaker 6: Your psychotic need to take this does not outweigh our
Speaker 6: right to keep it.
Speaker 3: What's there the chap is standing in the center of
Speaker 3: this ring.
Speaker 4: We know this.
Speaker 3: And see you walking away empty.
Speaker 5: Handed, John Cena, John c from wrestle Mania, and that
Speaker 5: is how you walk away.
Speaker 3: From the w WE.
Speaker 4: Okay. Another segment that ends with Sina in the fuddeled silence,
Speaker 4: and his name is Cody wrote in his face, I'm
Speaker 4: so depressed direction look at him.
Speaker 3: W E Championship against that fan.
Speaker 1: He's a la fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnio
Speaker 1: and j Piso.
Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast.
Speaker 4: Just standing there looking at the fans like this kind
Speaker 4: of s I mean, is this you hoped we'd be
Speaker 4: after the heel turn not at all. This is just awful.
Speaker 4: It's just awful. Come on, it's awful. No, it's awful.
Speaker 4: It's like I don't care. I don't care. How did
Speaker 4: they manage to get me to not care? And like, right,
Speaker 4: exactly amazing, that's just this really sad part is like, am.
Speaker 6: I supposed to care about seeing it coming out like
Speaker 6: dressed like he's always dressed, like just standing there like
Speaker 6: you nailed it. It's like, no, you're not going to
Speaker 6: convince me that this is special because he just nothing
Speaker 6: has changed, Like there's no there's no visual reminder that
Speaker 6: this is like a new set of circumstances, you know,
Speaker 6: right right, So we hit the next promo here from
Speaker 6: do we Have to We're getting there? This is from SmackDown.
Speaker 6: This is after that that confrontation, and this also involves
Speaker 6: Randy Orton and Drew McIntyre a bit.
Speaker 4: Why we're about to find out? Ready okay, yeah, three two?
Speaker 4: One play is Oh my god, where are we now?
Speaker 4: Uh that's a good question. This is the biggest the
Speaker 4: biggest mistake they ever fucking did was doing was this
Speaker 4: See he's doing the fucking rah rah and he should
Speaker 4: be laser focused.
Speaker 3: What do you want to talk about?
Speaker 4: Nothing.
Speaker 6: The March twenty eighth edition of SmackDown seen the Sucks
Speaker 6: chance here in London, London, decidedly on the scene of sucks.
Speaker 6: I don't hear any let's go see it.
Speaker 4: There it is Cody taking the measure of the audience.
Speaker 4: But they're just so like light about it, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: there's no more sense of betrayal, there's no more again,
Speaker 4: that's all gone, like the whole it's just become another
Speaker 4: fucking title program exactly, and now another title match that
Speaker 4: needs a story.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the story was there. The story was there,
Speaker 6: And now listen to watch what we have to sit
Speaker 6: through before we get to it.
Speaker 4: MS Codins, Codin's Roads, Codins, Codin's Roads, Codins, Codin's Roads, Codin's,
Speaker 4: Codin's Roads, Codin's, Codin's Roads, Codin's Codin's Roads. I don't
Speaker 4: fucking care. I still don't fucking care. You made me
Speaker 4: you not want to see this any emo? Get that
Speaker 4: fucking care? Hashtag lapsed bitch, What the fuck do you
Speaker 4: know about it? Nothing?
Speaker 9: As he goes to break the record and win sevens but.
Speaker 4: That I mean again, this, this could have been a
Speaker 4: thing if you know you're doing with the number seventeen
Speaker 4: story as if he didn't turn here.
Speaker 9: With John Cena in this verse, that was going to
Speaker 9: be the story in this very same arena.
Speaker 4: Uh, who fucking cares? Why is he here? The old legacy?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 4: Then tour oh Orton had some remarks on the first
Speaker 4: SmackDown after seeing heeld turn as well about how upside
Speaker 4: down everything this is another sound wrest off his own.
Speaker 3: I'm not really the sentimental type.
Speaker 4: Okay, then shut up for you?
Speaker 3: For you London's you know what, screw it?
Speaker 4: Yep, screw it. That's the way to go. Screw it.
Speaker 4: O K O r K O Codins Random's versus Codince.
Speaker 4: Look at you, Yeah, look at you. You're a dumb fuck?
Speaker 4: Who you are now?
Speaker 3: The man you are?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 4: Who cares? Look at where he came from. Yeah, he's
Speaker 4: the grandson of a plumber.
Speaker 3: I remember a Cody Rhoades.
Speaker 4: I remember a Cody Rhoades.
Speaker 1: Roads.
Speaker 4: Eat my fucking shit. I hate this fucking thing. Wrestling's
Speaker 4: fucking fake. You're all fucking phonies. Eat my fucking cock.
Speaker 4: Watch you suck my dick.
Speaker 16: I remember a Cody Rhodes in his early twenties, just
Speaker 16: breaking into business.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I try to forget that hard there.
Speaker 3: We go great fully harder than anybody else.
Speaker 4: Oh, because you're fucking Brandy Orton and you do ship
Speaker 4: that other people don't like you shit in bags and
Speaker 4: he sees things in people.
Speaker 16: Eactly happy, In fact, you were. You were frustrated, but
Speaker 16: you were mad enough.
Speaker 4: You were smart. As frustrated as I am.
Speaker 16: You grow and you couldn't grow in a WWE locker room.
Speaker 16: You were exactly treated fairly in a WWE locker room.
Speaker 4: So you left.
Speaker 3: Man, that took some big ass balls to this company.
Speaker 4: That's right, we run We can say big gass balls.
Speaker 4: N Yeah, all right, you changed the business single Oh,
Speaker 4: for God's sake, shut up.
Speaker 13: You know what.
Speaker 3: All the girls in the beck know it, and you
Speaker 3: know that I appreciate you for it.
Speaker 4: But you came back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew one day you'd come back.
Speaker 16: And the industry has been changed forever, ever since the
Speaker 16: day you stepped foot back in the WWE.
Speaker 4: Toady's crying. You know, I didn't really know.
Speaker 3: What to expect at first, and then I realized.
Speaker 4: You're the same guy. You're the same guy.
Speaker 3: You just did what you set out to do.
Speaker 4: You grew.
Speaker 3: I'd sing along with you, but you might leave.
Speaker 4: That's funny, not appropriate for this, but it is funny.
Speaker 4: We go again. Codin's Codin's Roads, Codin's Codin's Roads code.
Speaker 4: I didn't expect this to be a thing. I should
Speaker 4: have thought. I should have figured it, though, considering how
Speaker 4: much of this is in Europe.
Speaker 16: You remember when this man faced Seth, Rollins and hell
Speaker 16: in a self impressive yeah possible. You started that match
Speaker 16: with a partially torn peck. You finished that match.
Speaker 4: With a fully torn peck.
Speaker 16: Right, Your body turned all sorts of shades, the color
Speaker 16: purple that I have never seen on a human body.
Speaker 3: The pain you must have been in, but you persevered,
Speaker 3: not just for you, actually it would.
Speaker 6: Turn the color purple and several other Academy awards with your.
Speaker 16: Family and your father, who was mostly for all of
Speaker 16: these people, that you stuck it out and you won
Speaker 16: that match with a torn peck. Then you went on
Speaker 16: to WrestleMania in the main event, and you finished your story. Okay,
Speaker 16: but there's always another story, isn't there. Yeah, especially in
Speaker 16: w W in the middle of another one. Because you're
Speaker 16: in charge of your legacy, and it is a privilege.
Speaker 3: To sit back.
Speaker 4: He said that word legacy there, it is right there.
Speaker 3: Ticket sales have been up, the business this.
Speaker 4: More Oh my god, shut up, fuck up. It is
Speaker 4: mostly it's for Nick Connors, is for thee because of you,
Speaker 4: Cody Great. I come for the wrestling, stay for the economics,
Speaker 4: look for the spreadsheets. That's this is what I mean,
Speaker 4: Raandy to bringing a pie chart to the room. Seriously,
Speaker 4: I won't you fucking do a dude, do a presentation
Speaker 4: with an overhead projector please trying to.
Speaker 3: Say, man, it's just a long winded version of long winded?
Speaker 4: Is right?
Speaker 3: And most of all, man and I am very very
Speaker 3: proud of you, dude.
Speaker 4: I'm the promo you do before he turns on him
Speaker 4: and takes you know what I mean, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: But but but but but but it's time for WrestleMania.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I've been told. Yeah, they want it,
Speaker 4: they want it, Cody. But we were thinking, what if
Speaker 4: we introduced Randy's perspective into this thing. Yeah, that's I'm
Speaker 4: so excited for that that I am going to uh
Speaker 4: kick Kevin Owen so hard in the head.
Speaker 6: That won't be happening as Kevin had to withdraw from
Speaker 6: WrestleMania do to a nick and Tree.
Speaker 4: Wow, really, how many days with our WrestleMania is a bit.
Speaker 3: From his shoulders.
Speaker 16: And I know that you're going to enter WrestleMania champ.
Speaker 16: You're gonna walk out a WrestleMania champ, but not before
Speaker 16: you beat the holy hell out of John Cena all.
Speaker 4: Up and down the Vegas Strip.
Speaker 16: Okay, but after all the smoke clears and the dust settles, Cody,
Speaker 16: just like John Cena is going after number seventeen, There's
Speaker 16: gonna come a time when I'm gonna want to go
Speaker 16: after number fifteen.
Speaker 4: Ooh shit, he's talking fighting words, motherfuckers. Oh yeah, But
Speaker 4: I'm not going to kick you in the balls like
Speaker 4: some coward.
Speaker 16: I'm gonna look you directly in your eye because I
Speaker 16: respect you, I love you and men the balls, and
Speaker 16: I consider you an equal, if not far surpassing anything
Speaker 16: I've ever done in this business. I'm gonna look you
Speaker 16: in your eye, and I'm going to.
Speaker 4: Tell you.
Speaker 3: That I'm coming for this.
Speaker 4: Right and now, the real truth teller. What the fuck?
Speaker 4: Just here one remark here from here and then we'll
Speaker 4: exit this one. But it's kind of funny because you know,
Speaker 4: his whole gimmick is like everyone's a shithead and like
Speaker 4: eventually the right eventually they prove themselves shitheads and he
Speaker 4: just he's the eye told you so, guys, such a
Speaker 4: fucking it is so annoying. I don't want this, this
Speaker 4: whole thing, you know, and and and listen. Yeah, there
Speaker 4: are a bunch of a bunch of these guys are
Speaker 4: great and they do their thing, but man, oh man,
Speaker 4: it's like this fucking story is just ruined. It's just
Speaker 4: fucking ruined. The dead carcass true back and I got it.
Speaker 3: That's wonderful.
Speaker 9: No, a couple of babies, a couple of nipple babies
Speaker 9: having a love fast.
Speaker 3: It makes me absolutely sick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, makes my absolutely sounds like fat bastard.
Speaker 3: You're coming for that title?
Speaker 10: What exactly have you done since your big comeback to
Speaker 10: justify that title match?
Speaker 4: A sibe Randy Orten, Nobody, that's a big moment.
Speaker 3: I can remember you being on the shelf for months
Speaker 3: and months and months.
Speaker 9: People like to make jokes about it, but more people
Speaker 9: talk about my five minute, forty six second world title.
Speaker 3: Raid than your entire comeback so far. So get to
Speaker 3: the back of the lighting Sunshine. That's for you, Cody, what.
Speaker 4: Do you say you shunned me?
Speaker 10: Everybody Sam Punk should have listened to me about.
Speaker 3: John Cena, but they did it, and the next night
Speaker 3: he kicked you right in the twig and Berries proven
Speaker 3: you right as usual.
Speaker 10: Twigging berries should be Cody Rhoads against the UK's only
Speaker 10: ever world champion, drew back and.
Speaker 4: Tire close that piece out there. So I should have
Speaker 4: told you so, kind of like kind of like Heenan
Speaker 4: saying I told you Hogan was a piece of ship
Speaker 4: all these Yeah, except not as nearly as uh as poignant,
Speaker 4: not even closed. So how are we?
Speaker 6: How are we feeling? Let's try to go back to
Speaker 6: the feeling elimination chamber night and the possibilities due.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's nothing, It's just a fucking I mean,
Speaker 4: I've I've yeah, it's just it's it's like it's like
Speaker 4: they it's like they didn't know. They really didn't know
Speaker 4: what to fucking do. No, Nope, and think that they
Speaker 4: didn't they didn't have a game plan like at this
Speaker 4: at this point, they should have just kept jouncing the face.
Speaker 6: Don't shit, I know, because it's it's gonna end up
Speaker 6: there by the time it's over, because eventually people are
Speaker 6: gonna poke holes and codys saying, and I don't know.
Speaker 6: At one point Triple A said, like, how much fun
Speaker 6: would it be to write for a heel sna It's.
Speaker 4: Like not that much fun.
Speaker 6: Already, you're in the wrong frame of mind. There's no
Speaker 6: writing here. Okay, this isn't this isn't about a character sketch.
Speaker 6: It's already the characters are already established. You don't have
Speaker 6: to write anything.
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, Yeah, now, I mean,
Speaker 4: listen again. They just got it all wrong, like they
Speaker 4: they they I don't, I don't know if it was.
Speaker 4: I mean, they just they got it all wrong. They
Speaker 4: did everything wrong with this, Like they couldn't have fucked
Speaker 4: it up. They missed all the easy Yeah, this should
Speaker 4: have made the easiest fucking heel turn ever. They had
Speaker 4: all the elements to just do the right thing, and
Speaker 4: everything wrong. You've been awful to me, Like who cares? Fans?
Speaker 4: Boo everybody, like you're still one. You have No, you
Speaker 4: didn't lose anything, right, you fucking won. It made all
Speaker 4: kinds of money. The one guy who shouldn't care that
Speaker 4: he gets boot all the time. Is the guy who
Speaker 4: went on to make as much money as he would
Speaker 4: have if they cheered him, John Cena, Yeah, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. It's not like he should give a shit,
Speaker 4: knocked him out of his position for a second, or
Speaker 4: had the kind of pathetic So it's a pathetic story.
Speaker 4: It's a it's a it's it's just the it's the
Speaker 4: absolute like it's lazy. It's extremely lazy. Like they could
Speaker 4: have done the Hollywood thing would have been so fucking
Speaker 4: money and it would have been so easy, and it
Speaker 4: would have been great because you know what, everybody hates
Speaker 4: smug Hollywood phonies. Yep, hence the rock Yep. They don't
Speaker 4: not like him because he's the Row. They don't like him.
Speaker 4: Wait they don't. Yeah, that's not what I meant to say.
Speaker 4: It's not that they don't like him because he's the Rock.
Speaker 4: It's so they don't like him because he's the Hollywood
Speaker 4: rock who came back to control things. Yes, that's why
Speaker 4: they don't like That's why people boo him, not because
Speaker 4: just because he's the Rock, but because he's Hollywood.
Speaker 6: Rock and scene is not coming back to control anything.
Speaker 6: Scene is acting like he has no control. Seene is
Speaker 6: acting like he is this permanent victim.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, it's just weird. Like he should just
Speaker 4: be he should realize that the Rock had the right,
Speaker 4: the right mentality the whole time. Right then, now I'm
Speaker 4: gonna splin I should have been listening, you know what.
Speaker 4: I should have been listening to the Rock back in
Speaker 4: back in twenty twenty seven, twenty No twenty twelve, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 6: One of the things Triple A seems to pride himself
Speaker 6: on saying is that you know, with the heels, even
Speaker 6: if you don't agree with them, you have to understand
Speaker 6: where they're coming from. You have to see their perspective
Speaker 6: a little bit like, Okay, I get why they're acting
Speaker 6: that way. No, that has not happened with this John Cenam.
Speaker 4: You don't need to. You don't need to. You don't
Speaker 4: need to.
Speaker 6: And further you, that's not an option because everything he's
Speaker 6: saying to explain where he's coming from just goes in
Speaker 6: one ear out the other. Right, everything he's complaining about
Speaker 6: having been cost by the fans, he didn't actually lose
Speaker 6: out on at all. He didn't have done on anything.
Speaker 6: I mean, what difference would it have made if they
Speaker 6: were cheering him all those years he was on top?
Speaker 4: None? So it's hard for him to point to the harm.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Right again again you talk
Speaker 4: about the What makes it work is not that they
Speaker 4: were booing him back then, but that he's resentful that
Speaker 4: they cheer him. Now, that's the money, that's where it's
Speaker 4: that's where you can bring in the fans. Is that
Speaker 4: where were you back then? What makes it? What makes
Speaker 4: me special now?
Speaker 3: To you?
Speaker 13: Right?
Speaker 4: Why do you like me now? All of a sudden?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: It just right?
Speaker 6: Because that that's what really clicked it in with me,
Speaker 6: that you, you fans are not worth catering to, because
Speaker 6: it's just something as arbitrary as the passage of time
Speaker 6: can have you completely reverse how you feel about somebody.
Speaker 4: And that's that that that resonates. I think that's that's
Speaker 4: that's that's and that's easy. And live long enough to
Speaker 4: see yourself become the villain. Yes, And you know what,
Speaker 4: I'm better off now. I'm Hollywood. I make movies, I
Speaker 4: make TV shows, I sponsor fucking McDonald's. I'm the king,
Speaker 4: I'm the voice of every commercial you hear and I
Speaker 4: don't need you, guys. I never did and I don't
Speaker 4: need you now. Back then I had to put up
Speaker 4: with it because I needed you, because I guess guess what,
Speaker 4: You're still gonna buy tickets to my movies. And that's
Speaker 4: him winning, that's not that's not him on a mission
Speaker 4: to get the fans to look in the mirror. And no, no,
Speaker 4: just you don't need them to look in the mirror.
Speaker 4: You just tell them I knew all all along. I
Speaker 4: knew it all along. You buy you give me money,
Speaker 4: you buy my merchandise, you come to see me. I
Speaker 4: do you know what happens there? I take that money,
Speaker 4: It goes in my pocket.
Speaker 6: You know what a self own it is to spend
Speaker 6: your days trying to get people to admit or acknowledge
Speaker 6: that they've contradicted themselves. You know what a self own
Speaker 6: that is. That's like you go to the grave and
Speaker 6: the other person that you obsess to the death about
Speaker 6: pointing out that they've contradicted themselves just shrugs it off.
Speaker 6: And here you go, driving yourself into a mania, trying
Speaker 6: to make a case that no one gives a fuck
Speaker 6: about it. Meanwhile ignoring you know, putting a skip in
Speaker 6: your step, putting a glide in your stride, right, all
Speaker 6: at the expense of making you a worthwhile person. You know, No,
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna I'm gonna spend all my oxygen in
Speaker 6: time talking about how someone else is a hypocrite.
Speaker 4: It's like so stupid at that point.
Speaker 6: You actually negated your existence at that point, right in
Speaker 6: a very strange and curious way. Well, they did make
Speaker 6: one bid, did Cody and Scene, as far as I
Speaker 6: can tell, to amp up the juice a little bit,
Speaker 6: to go a little bit beyond this kind of hyper
Speaker 6: superficial you know, you fans are awful kind of an
Speaker 6: approach to this thing. And it took place in the
Speaker 6: March thirty first edition of RAW. I believe I've emailed
Speaker 6: you this. I'm losing track here of what the last
Speaker 6: thing I sent you was.
Speaker 4: Let me see.
Speaker 6: Yes, okay, so we're there, if you can pull this up. Yep,
Speaker 6: this one got a little saucy. This is the last
Speaker 6: I'm not mistaken. Yes, but as we're recording this, okay,
Speaker 6: this is the last confrontation between John Cena and Cody
Speaker 6: Rhodes before WrestleMania. Now, quick note, we are recording this
Speaker 6: before the Go Home SmackDown, which will be live from
Speaker 6: Las Vegas, and I believe has advertised John Cena as appearing.
Speaker 6: So there will be one final chapter to this and
Speaker 6: we'll certainly reflect that in our live call. But we
Speaker 6: had to get this one out the door before SmackDown
Speaker 6: obviously because this came out on Saturday morning. I'm not sure, well,
Speaker 6: we wouldn't have the time to do it, and I'm
Speaker 6: sure people really.
Speaker 4: Give a fuck.
Speaker 6: So this is this is your appetizer into the weekend,
Speaker 6: and so here it is that final bid here to
Speaker 6: get you to care.
Speaker 4: We'll see how they do. Boss. Let's hit play in
Speaker 4: three two one play divided crowd. I think they shouldn't
Speaker 4: be divided. They should not be divided. That's part of
Speaker 4: the problems starting to happen. Yeah, that's a lot of cheering. Yep.
Speaker 4: That's a lot more cheering than Belgium. Yep. Well you
Speaker 4: nailed it. That's what's gonna happen. There'll be cheering him
Speaker 4: like Hull Colvin at WrestleMania, a farewell tour like that
Speaker 4: should be there. This fucking this stuff should they just
Speaker 4: they fucked themselves. The shirt merchandise line. They did all
Speaker 4: these are they still are they still in the U?
Speaker 4: They're still in Oh my god? Enough for this UK
Speaker 4: tour after WrestleMania. Hello, that's when you do it. The
Speaker 4: towel behind his head again. I'm so tired of this,
Speaker 4: the selfish robot. We nailed it.
Speaker 3: The smile has.
Speaker 12: Become a on the face of a six tillion time
Speaker 12: a world champion.
Speaker 3: John Tatum.
Speaker 4: Sing A long time with that, right, that's what it is.
Speaker 4: European is what you say? No, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: no no, it's not saying a long time with John Cena.
Speaker 4: Dwayne would have made this work so much better totally.
Speaker 4: He would have added it such a different energy because
Speaker 4: because John Cena should not speak, look at him, he
Speaker 4: should be motionless and emotionless. They're booing the hell out
Speaker 4: of him. But yeah, but this could have been They
Speaker 4: could have he could have had a nuclear heat, he
Speaker 4: could have had nuclear volcanic heat. That sounds nuclear to me. No, no,
Speaker 4: because half the cross the crowd right exactly. That amazing
Speaker 4: when he turns heel, half the people are with him
Speaker 4: and against him, doesn't matter, but that that negates the
Speaker 4: whole thing too. Yep, his baby face. Half the people
Speaker 4: love him, half the people hate him. I mean half
Speaker 4: the people of him. I mean, what is it? Two
Speaker 4: thousand and five? Sounds like the same thing, and before
Speaker 4: he can draw the mic to his mouth, Cody, when
Speaker 4: you watch it back to back like this, it's so nauseating.
Speaker 4: Here we go. Hey, I will say one thing. During
Speaker 4: our recent coverage of w W European Rampage again in Germany,
Speaker 4: we were kind of lotting and lamenting the loss of
Speaker 4: you know, a gimmick where you could bring the American
Speaker 4: flag to Germany and get a German crowd. In the US,
Speaker 4: Cody is doing that. Cody doesn't get booted anywhere. He
Speaker 4: wraps himself on the flag. That's true. But I don't
Speaker 4: see anyone buying American flags and bring him to the shows. Yes,
Speaker 4: that's true. Was he gonna? Was he a fucking getting
Speaker 4: ready to do a production of Guys and Dolls with
Speaker 4: that fucking suit? Yeah, he looks like a guy at
Speaker 4: Johnsona looks like a doll. Like again, there's just like
Speaker 4: it's just this is just a title program. There's nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's just nothing interesting in this at all. Exactly like
Speaker 4: Johnsena might as well have been a baby face and
Speaker 4: just fucking been like the heel in this program. You know,
Speaker 4: point we probably would have been in much the same place,
Speaker 4: right exactly, and it would have been and we wouldn't
Speaker 4: have that fucking rock bullshit pandering to the fans about yes,
Speaker 4: his whiny crap. If you're not going to follow up
Speaker 4: with the rock thing and add that layer, probably shouldn't
Speaker 4: have done the term. I just can't believe that a
Speaker 4: month after that angle, three four weeks after that angle,
Speaker 4: it feels this kind of blah, you know, this kind
Speaker 4: of standard. I mean, it's like it's not even I mean,
Speaker 4: it's it's crazy to me that the first appearance of
Speaker 4: John Cena changed this whole the feel of the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was it. When he got in that when he
Speaker 4: came out and got in that ring and you realize
Speaker 4: where he was going, it was like, Nope, this ain't it.
Speaker 4: And they should have been smart enough.
Speaker 3: To know it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't you know what, Yeah, don't bother me till
Speaker 4: the end, either bothered me to the as. Yeah, Sena
Speaker 4: dresses like you would dress a male Barbie doll. Yeah,
Speaker 4: if you were five, right, exactly. That's what I mean.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like if you were a child and
Speaker 4: they didn't know how people dressed in real life, you
Speaker 4: dressing like John Cena. Does his clothes look like Barbie
Speaker 4: Doll clothes? Yeah, the hang off his body in a
Speaker 4: similar way. Oh my god, look at he's He's like,
Speaker 4: you don't even know why he's angry anymore. Is he
Speaker 4: angry yet? He's just kind of just yeah, dopey, mopey
Speaker 4: n sena, it's an idiot. Okay. Now we got to
Speaker 4: listen to them sing the song. Tell them, John, tell
Speaker 4: them shut up. Right, that's your moment, that's your moment
Speaker 4: to really take something from them. It's like, why don't
Speaker 4: you shut up now singing fucking songs? Standing there waiting
Speaker 4: for this.
Speaker 13: I know.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like it's all about soaking in ovation moments,
Speaker 4: soaking in moments and ovation and the crowd energy. And
Speaker 4: this is something Kowalski told me. Just pause and take it.
Speaker 4: You Kowalski, bullshit. Kowalski never fucking said that said time
Speaker 4: you fucking comeback, so the fans fucking go rabbit for you.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you when you start beating the ship out
Speaker 4: of me.
Speaker 3: Okay, we've listened to you talk for two weeks.
Speaker 4: The same with you, fuckhead, you've talked more. Yeah, right
Speaker 4: for you, like he should just fucking slap Cody in
Speaker 4: the face.
Speaker 3: Where do you want to start?
Speaker 4: Said discourse? Cody said the word discourse.
Speaker 3: When it comes to me. Okay, for starters, I have
Speaker 3: a little bit of a list, you know, y'all know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look at him smiling the guy's face who almost
Speaker 4: killed him in Toronto.
Speaker 3: Stop.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's bring up star Dust. Okay, that's what I thought.
Speaker 4: That's where I thought. The scene of hill Turn was
Speaker 4: going back at elimination chamber, right, not his psychotic obsession
Speaker 4: with winning the belt.
Speaker 3: That's gotta bother you.
Speaker 9: I mean, that's who you're wrestling at WrestleMania forty one.
Speaker 3: Going on last in your final.
Speaker 4: Makes you get that shot in their camera? Guy, startups wrestling?
Speaker 4: That's wrestling wrestling? How about restless.
Speaker 3: Bingo? All right, all right, this is a good one.
Speaker 3: I have an arm tattoo, but it's on my neck.
Speaker 4: Codes Codin's Roads, Codin's Codin's Roads, Codin's Coden's Roads, Codin's
Speaker 4: Codin's Roads. Oh I fucking I hate every in the
Speaker 4: fucking planet ready for this, the heel turn of John Sada,
Speaker 4: the neutral turn of Johnson's I created.
Speaker 3: Gosh, there's so much I knew you weren't gonna bite
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 9: Need of this stuff, though, And here's the thing. Perhaps
Speaker 9: I'm struggling. Perhaps I'm struggling with the idea that Superman
Speaker 9: is really dead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but honestly, Superman isn't dead. Superman is just fucking null, yes,
Speaker 4: like Superman is merely a man, Like Superman is just
Speaker 4: like took a nap or something. Superman is boring.
Speaker 9: That would that would bring me to my next point. Actually,
Speaker 9: I do know that your words have matched your actions.
Speaker 9: I think for the last two weeks.
Speaker 3: You have lied to this audience.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and not what you all do.
Speaker 9: I know you cared about me at one, about them.
Speaker 9: So take the opportunity. You don't have to look at me,
Speaker 9: look at them and tell them. John Cena, really.
Speaker 2: Why.
Speaker 4: Still asking why after all this? I mean, honestly, I
Speaker 4: don't know why yet myself. I know I know it's
Speaker 4: so bad. It's so bad that I can't like anchor
Speaker 4: on one line right that explains it? Sold out to who?
Speaker 4: There's nobody are no right. I mean, you sold your
Speaker 4: soul apparently, but we haven't seen the soul taker.
Speaker 3: Not going to reduce myself and punch down to your level.
Speaker 4: That's a good life.
Speaker 3: Just to protect you, Cody Rhodes, You've been protected long enough.
Speaker 4: Oh here we go. Okay.
Speaker 3: I'm also I'm also not gonna cook you.
Speaker 10: Uh what, I'm gonna bury you, okay, just like I
Speaker 10: buried everyone else. They've been saying for years that John
Speaker 10: cina Berry's talent. I don't bury talent.
Speaker 3: I am talent.
Speaker 4: Huh. Okay, I bury mediocrity. Oh well, I like that.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 10: I don't give a rats ass about your list or
Speaker 10: your failures. You have manipulated your way to the top
Speaker 10: of this business, and your ego outmatches your ability.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 10: All you have done here is ride the coattails of
Speaker 10: my success. I have been so great that the w
Speaker 10: we can hand the heartbeat of this organization to my chauffeur.
Speaker 4: That's good, that's right, But he should be wearing a suit.
Speaker 10: Is nothing more than my chauffeur, A slimy pickpocket who
Speaker 10: thinks just because he stole the blueprint, he can run
Speaker 10: the Kingdom.
Speaker 3: There's your why Cody Rhoades because you with that discuss.
Speaker 4: Okay, so this is the Belgium promo right side, and
Speaker 4: this is this is it like, this is where you.
Speaker 3: Start the program with underwhelming. This is where you start
Speaker 3: the program egotistical skull.
Speaker 4: You have to be auf there, but it should be
Speaker 4: fucking you.
Speaker 10: Didn't listen and it shows you're too perfect, you're too polished,
Speaker 10: you're too rehearsed. You rely on lazy gimmicks like them
Speaker 10: singing your name.
Speaker 4: Over and over. This is great, This is great. Yeah?
Speaker 4: Is it sad that I'm just sitting here waiting for
Speaker 4: him to fuck it up?
Speaker 10: Actually, you are just like the pipe Piper because all
Speaker 10: you've ever done.
Speaker 4: But if they fucking Roddy Piper's music hit and out
Speaker 4: came Piper's corps.
Speaker 10: These people into loving mediocrity, strip away his music and entrance.
Speaker 10: There is not much to look at except a thick
Speaker 10: pin striped suit.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yes, but you could.
Speaker 10: Walk me out here in the silence and bet your
Speaker 10: last dollar I would body you before your first breath.
Speaker 4: Boy, go do does not like.
Speaker 3: He doesn't act like me, and he's sure as hell
Speaker 3: doesn't work.
Speaker 4: He should have said, doesn't act like me. That's why
Speaker 4: I'm in all fucking movies, and he's not.
Speaker 3: You don't look like you, you don't act like you,
Speaker 3: and you don't work like you. Because after all these years,
Speaker 3: you are still afraid to show who you are. So
Speaker 3: what do we get instead?
Speaker 10: Cody gives us a generic mix of every superstar he's
Speaker 10: ever loved or TV show he's ever watched in some big,
Speaker 10: confused blob, and it makes you looks like a sixteen
Speaker 10: year old kid taking acting lessons who's still afraid of
Speaker 10: public speaking. You you have showed me one thing, and
Speaker 10: the one thing you have showed me is someone mediocre
Speaker 10: wearing something meaningful nowadays is.
Speaker 4: Enough to trick these people careful about describing your own
Speaker 4: run John, Yeah, damn well, that's that's good though. That's good.
Speaker 10: Yes, that's good for this around by a paint by
Speaker 10: numbers sociopathic NEPO baby who is so into himself he
Speaker 10: had his wrestling gimmick tattooed for the world to see.
Speaker 10: It's not where your tattoos at, Cody, it's what your
Speaker 10: tattoo is that exposes you to the world for who
Speaker 10: you are.
Speaker 3: A common fan like them.
Speaker 4: That's great.
Speaker 10: So after WrestleMania, it'll be great for you. Go straight
Speaker 10: to fanatics, buy the toy buildings, stay by, call yourself
Speaker 10: their champion because the last real champion is taking that
Speaker 10: home forever and.
Speaker 4: Exposing you for who you are is a babyface again?
Speaker 3: Wow? An errand boy, that got lucky.
Speaker 4: Ah, they don't know what they're fucking doing. Chanting Sina,
Speaker 4: What about the hillt Why pal were they chatting for Hogan?
Speaker 4: By August of ninety six?
Speaker 3: No oh, I didn't expect to say this. Maybe you're right,
Speaker 3: maybe I was a body, but you know who chose me?
Speaker 3: They chose me?
Speaker 4: I hear booze.
Speaker 3: Can you say the.
Speaker 9: Same, John Cena? Or was it one guy in an
Speaker 9: office who chose you? Who's not here anymore? And we
Speaker 9: don't talk about it?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 3: Oh, fan, strip everything away from me, right? I don't
Speaker 3: know who I am? Who the hell knows who they are?
Speaker 9: I know this.
Speaker 3: I'm Cody Rhodes. I'm a wrestler like my father before me.
Speaker 9: And if anybody is a company creation, it's you, John Cena.
Speaker 13: And not me.
Speaker 4: You said it's good because you can throw it back
Speaker 4: at it.
Speaker 3: That's terrified of you on the mic.
Speaker 9: I'm not because I know you've got more dick in
Speaker 9: that promo than you're doing your George.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 4: He's gonna last make fun of.
Speaker 9: Me for appearing like I'm sixteen taking public speaking lessons. Well,
Speaker 9: you're the one who hangs out with zach Efron and
Speaker 9: which as he was sixteen.
Speaker 4: And the first time, and this whole fucking thing they
Speaker 4: talk about his Hollywood career. Yep, what a.
Speaker 9: Softball, Thank you, John, What a softball you've thrown me
Speaker 9: by saying you created all of this.
Speaker 3: You created me. Here's what you created, pal.
Speaker 9: You created a lot of disenfranchised fans who made it
Speaker 9: easy for me to pack up and go elsewhere and.
Speaker 3: Say, hey, look at me.
Speaker 9: Don't act like you cleaned up your room before you
Speaker 9: left and went to Hollywood, John, don't act.
Speaker 4: His quick breaths are making me or giving me trauma.
Speaker 3: And while we're at it.
Speaker 9: While we're at it, there are two of us standing
Speaker 9: in this ring right now, And what I'm about to
Speaker 9: ask you might punch a giant.
Speaker 3: Hole in all that logic that you just threw up.
Speaker 9: And it's quite simple between you and I, which one
Speaker 9: of us sold out to the Rock.
Speaker 4: Okay, that comes back long overdue. Seriously, I feel like
Speaker 4: they tried to tack away from Rock and then gave
Speaker 4: up and came back around. Yeah, at the last fucking moment,
Speaker 4: this all feels like a departure from the last few programs,
Speaker 4: right it does.
Speaker 3: You are still You're still my hero, but you're also
Speaker 3: a piece of ship.
Speaker 9: He is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, that's funny. It's a new one pieces just
Speaker 4: like all these people.
Speaker 3: Your brain is filled with feces and not facts.
Speaker 4: Idiot?
Speaker 10: Was I ever protected from an audience or a superstar
Speaker 10: present company included taking their best shot at me? As
Speaker 10: a matter of fact, everyone knows every time I step
Speaker 10: on this canvas, it is a challenge to every arena
Speaker 10: or every superstar dumb enough to walk down that ramp
Speaker 10: to take their strongest swing to see if they are
Speaker 10: worthy to put me in the ground. No one, no
Speaker 10: one has been worthy. So I decided to just do
Speaker 10: it myself. That's why, Cody, I have never left. I
Speaker 10: have always been here because no matter how high the
Speaker 10: hill should climb, right.
Speaker 3: They give me, I find a way to make it great.
Speaker 4: You had to leave.
Speaker 3: You had to leave because you really that your best.
Speaker 3: You can't wipe my ass. Empires for billionaires, this is great.
Speaker 10: All you've ever done is steal money from their kids.
Speaker 10: See you at WrestleMania, Champ John John John No, no, no.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 11: Hey.
Speaker 9: I just want to remind you and all the time
Speaker 9: that I have been here and everything I've been through,
Speaker 9: never once has an audience, never once have they chanted
Speaker 9: at me.
Speaker 3: You can't wrestle.
Speaker 4: Sina. Oh my god, stop looking around like a ball.
Speaker 4: They're not gonna chant it now, are they. They're not
Speaker 4: gonna chant it now, are they. They wouldn't dare. Oh
Speaker 4: it' seen the steps back in the spring and his
Speaker 4: step he should do like a he should do like
Speaker 4: a uh uh uh, like a rear takedown and like
Speaker 4: do a fucking all this amateur wrestling ship right now?
Speaker 4: Is it his fighting stance as is Cody and seeing
Speaker 4: the cracks a smile and you know you should do
Speaker 4: he should kick him in the balls again. That's a
Speaker 4: good idea. Oh, it goes after him, duck underneath, Cody
Speaker 4: hooks him up crossroads readjust the tie that's strong for Cody. Yeah,
Speaker 4: what that tells me a scene is winning, right, there's
Speaker 4: no reason to have them touch unless I agree. Yeah,
Speaker 4: not in that way. I again, I think another cheap
Speaker 4: shot by scene would have been better. Yes, if Cody's winning, no,
Speaker 4: even if he's not. Well, Yeah, how they think I'm
Speaker 4: not saying it's yeah right, that's how they feel.
Speaker 3: Oh, you know what this has said.
Speaker 14: Is indeed worthy. Tony Rhoads isn't afraid to show who
Speaker 14: he is, and in Night k n at WrestleMania, Tony
Speaker 14: Rhoads can show the world it truly is the undisputed.
Speaker 4: Champion. So they get they get a little bit of
Speaker 4: it back or what's your thought? Yeah, No, I think
Speaker 4: that was great, but that should have been the beginning. Yes, honestly,
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I stand by my belief he should
Speaker 4: not have been on television at all. Yes, I think
Speaker 4: they could have gotten so much out of teasing and
Speaker 4: not delivering. But that's if you're gonna if you're gonna
Speaker 4: have them do promo battles and and you know it's
Speaker 4: gonna be fucking eight mile every now and again, then
Speaker 4: then this is where you start. That was great. What
Speaker 4: was great about it? It was great because the focus
Speaker 4: was on what he wants. Yeah, They never talked about
Speaker 4: the fans or anything that ship right did but but
Speaker 4: not in the way but but right, But it wasn't
Speaker 4: about blaming the fans. It was about you did this,
Speaker 4: and that's why they booed you. You did this, and
Speaker 4: that's why they said you sucked. And like that's that's
Speaker 4: where you come from. You can't blame the fans, Like
Speaker 4: that's that's cheap, it's lame and lazy. Yeah. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: they did that.
Speaker 6: They flipped a page there they did, and they figured
Speaker 6: out some some cutting lines about each other. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: we're designed to make you look at each other in
Speaker 6: a different way, which is always kind of a lynchpin
Speaker 6: of a great promo or a great line. Sure you
Speaker 6: make someone go wait a minute. Yeah, he is kind
Speaker 6: of like that, isn't he?
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly exactly. So we've been on quite a journey.
Speaker 6: But I think it's it's safe to say, in both
Speaker 6: of our cases that we are not anywhere near where
Speaker 6: we were excitement wise, the night Scena kicked him in
Speaker 6: the balls.
Speaker 4: No, that's not again. He has not shown himself to
Speaker 4: be crazy like he was that night he.
Speaker 6: Had to go nuts. He didn't go nuts the whole time.
Speaker 4: He couldn't do it.
Speaker 6: He couldn't bring himself to go nuts. He had to
Speaker 6: play this cool, collected you know, like even if he's
Speaker 6: boiling inside. Like the only difference between the baby face
Speaker 6: John Cene and heal John Cena is a heel. John
Speaker 6: Cena kind of makes a scowl on his face right
Speaker 6: when someone insults him. Where's the baby face Johnson?
Speaker 4: And is open and is open to criticizing the fans
Speaker 4: as opposed to like saying, hey, you guys, believe whatever
Speaker 4: you want. I'm still here exactly.
Speaker 6: That's not much of a hill turn to me, right,
Speaker 6: that's not the hill turns I knew.
Speaker 4: No, I know it should have been. Again, a complete
Speaker 4: change of character, and it all starts with the look.
Speaker 6: Thank you and again the final promo here from Cody
Speaker 6: on the April eleventh SmackDown. There will be one presumably
Speaker 6: maybe even another mid Ring microphone face off on the
Speaker 6: final smack down the night before Night one of WrestleMania.
Speaker 6: So much for that, but we're going to bring our
Speaker 6: special report home with this interview. Here Cody mid Ring
Speaker 6: with the WB Championship proudly displayed, and what looks to
Speaker 6: be the Spinner belt as well.
Speaker 4: Boss, are your goodness? I I am ready three two
Speaker 4: one play. I always got all the belts, wow, I
Speaker 4: mean literally every fucking belt. There's the beautiful one Attitude one. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that the Bruno under the last you guys have gotten
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Seattle. You have always been.
Speaker 4: We're back in the States now.
Speaker 9: Finally You've always been good to me, whether it's just
Speaker 9: sold out arena here tonight or when I.
Speaker 10: Did defy and now being back here again.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: I find to defy wis no.
Speaker 9: Is the tangible definition of realized potential. It's the denotation
Speaker 9: of excellence, the metric that stands this ride here soon.
Speaker 9: I want to see you are the best wrestler in
Speaker 9: the world.
Speaker 4: Show me the old belts. I don't care about this right.
Speaker 9: Now, and I'm blessed. I'm blessed to be able to
Speaker 9: carry this and it's mighty weight. But it won't always
Speaker 9: be me. That's what this has become. That's what WrestleMania
Speaker 9: has turned into. It's not just a match between two
Speaker 9: many more, it's about our right to keep this at home.
Speaker 9: It's about the next twenty champions. Whether that's Sean's NXT
Speaker 9: kids watching wrestlesly or id prospects.
Speaker 4: Maybe there's a young man in spinner belt? What's the
Speaker 4: other one?
Speaker 2: One more?
Speaker 3: Come on, Champion? About the next twenty champion?
Speaker 6: This match is about the next twenty champions, Okay, And
Speaker 6: then I thought it was about Johnson attorney heel.
Speaker 3: Right, trying to take all that away.
Speaker 4: It'd be great if you found a loophole and like
Speaker 4: was able to actually like decommission the Dude Championship when
Speaker 4: he retired. So there is no world champions what's on
Speaker 4: the right? What is Oh that's Hogan's age. Oh that's
Speaker 4: the WrestleMania two belt. Yep, no big Green belt. Huh.
Speaker 6: I know they don't have the one he wonted eighty four. Yeah,
Speaker 6: they can't believe there's still let's.
Speaker 4: Go sena chance. That really is amazing to me. They are.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't it happen if they fucking manned up and made
Speaker 4: him Hollywood Hollywood Cina.
Speaker 3: John c.
Speaker 9: Has neglected to make Seattle part of his farewell tour.
Speaker 3: He is up to be in Vegas for SmackDown next week.
Speaker 9: It would be cowardice on my part to rebuttal John's
Speaker 9: remarks from when we shared the ring in London.
Speaker 3: But one thing he said that sticks with me.
Speaker 9: He referred to me in the placement of my tattoo.
Speaker 9: He said, me having this tattoo makes me a common fan.
Speaker 4: As opposed to a common man. That's true, He's just
Speaker 4: a common fan.
Speaker 9: Working hard tattoo for the same reason that I wear
Speaker 9: this suit. It's not because I think I'm somebody, It's because.
Speaker 3: I want to be somebody. Is that somebody who can.
Speaker 9: Sell out the world's most famous arena one hundred and
Speaker 9: eighty eight times to the rhythmic chance of his own name.
Speaker 3: Is that somebody who can sit up each and every
Speaker 3: night broken ribs.
Speaker 9: And become beautiful w E's phenom is that somebody who
Speaker 9: can set the world ablaze with Latino heats.
Speaker 6: And disputed title was Eddie the Wing Deos undertaker and
Speaker 6: the other one of the old one is Bruno. Now
Speaker 6: he comes to the spinner belt. IM gonna call out
Speaker 6: Hogan on my last belt.
Speaker 4: Word about that he's got any guerrero chant in the
Speaker 4: middle of the Yeah, right, Cody John Cena program, he
Speaker 4: spun it. It's spending Wow, that's the old one.
Speaker 9: Carry a company on his back through good times and
Speaker 9: bad for ten years. John Cena. John Cena looks at
Speaker 9: this and considers it a bad thing.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 9: I see it as a man who is trying to
Speaker 9: break the wheel, a man who is trying to find himself.
Speaker 9: To sound familiar, John, You've told me that I don't
Speaker 9: know who I am, that I don't present myself authentically.
Speaker 3: Here's what I do know, John, I'm the w w
Speaker 3: E champion and you are not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: Always teaching, John is always preaching.
Speaker 9: Perhaps this is the one time in my life that
Speaker 9: I can teach John Cena a lesson, A lesson I
Speaker 9: saw my old man struggle with as a career babyface,
Speaker 9: and it's very simple, John.
Speaker 4: They are allowed to love somebody else, and Dusty did
Speaker 4: have trouble with that.
Speaker 3: I told myself the captain here, but I'm part of
Speaker 3: a that has c him.
Speaker 9: Puss A quarterback, Jordon Jayu, so Rio, Ripley, Live Morgan,
Speaker 9: aj Styles, Kevin Owens, Sammy's.
Speaker 3: Aying, just the name a few we make each other better.
Speaker 3: And now I found myself with the unenviable task.
Speaker 4: But it's in my.
Speaker 9: Nature to want this task that I have to halt
Speaker 9: history with your record setting title win so that we
Speaker 9: can have history here in the first place.
Speaker 3: John Cen is a man of his word. He said
Speaker 3: he was leaving. He means it. He says he means
Speaker 3: to take this with him. He means it. So let
Speaker 3: me share some honesty with you.
Speaker 5: John.
Speaker 9: I'll tell you the same thing that I told Brock,
Speaker 9: the same thing that I told Roman. I do my
Speaker 9: best work when I'm back into a corner. I don't flinch,
Speaker 9: I fight, I wrestle. That's right, John.
Speaker 4: But bell is gonna ring, goodline, and.
Speaker 9: When it does, and this is over, I leave you
Speaker 9: to this ring, John, to have your moment, your moment
Speaker 9: to say goodbye. It would be clever for me to
Speaker 9: tell John your time is up, my time is now.
Speaker 9: But John, you've known your time is up for quite
Speaker 9: some time, and that's why you did what you did.
Speaker 9: And one day my time will be up soon, But
Speaker 9: until then, this is timeless.
Speaker 2: And this.
Speaker 3: Stays home.
Speaker 4: This stays with us, the People's champion.
Speaker 12: By the champ and I love connecting all this actually
Speaker 12: Bruno's belt.
Speaker 3: Even pausing at the spinner belt.
Speaker 4: And Wade, that's not the John scene we've seen, right,
Speaker 4: there right, keep from the relation. Cham for a reason.
Speaker 6: You have it, and I invite you to consider how
Speaker 6: much more electric it would be if Cody delivered that
Speaker 6: exact same promo on that exact same date, and we
Speaker 6: haven't yet to hear a word from John Cena.
Speaker 4: I just think it'd be amazing.
Speaker 6: Well, we can't focus too much on what wasn't. We
Speaker 6: have to focus now as we turn to the live
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Speaker 6: survive Slmania forty one in Las Vegas. This has been
Speaker 6: a TLF special report the heel turn of John Cena.
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Speaker 6: from now, like we have so many other great heel
Speaker 6: turns over and over again on the show, but consider
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