Speaker 1: Come back to another episode of the Progress Report. Very
exciting show today. We have two big popular guests. We
got of course, Jay Dyer a I'm known for doing debates,
really a lot of debates. I was saying to Jay,
I haven't actually watched a lot of his stuff, so
I'm not super familiar, but I'm looking forward to getting
to know you do like a movie analysis and stuff
like that too.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I host Fourth Tower Rebelex Jones every Friday,
done that for about five years. I have two books
on philosophy and theology, and just finished my third book
on Hollywood. And we do do a lot of religious debates,
that's true. We've done that for the past five or
six years. And then now I also write for The
Sam Hyde Show in terms of comedy, so do a
lot of live streams, a lot of geopolitical commentary and
content too, So we kind of wear a lot of
different hats over here.
Speaker 1: Thanks Reby, Yeah, thanks for being here. I'm excited. And
of course we have Dave Green, the Distributist, a guy
who I have been watching for a long time, but
we never we've never done a collab before. I wanted
to say, this is kind of funny because like, I
converted to Christianity like five years ago roughly, and I
was an atheist before that. But I would I was
watching your videos, Dave, or your streams that you were
on back in like, you know, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,
and I would think to myself, this guy is pretty smart,
but what's with the Christian stuff? And I was like
made me like, like, take you that seriously, I guess,
and then eventually I kind of came around.
Speaker 3: Man, twenty sixteen was a wild time. Yeah, And I
remember Jay Dyer. I'm a huge fan of yours too, LP,
but I remember Jay mainly for the stuff on Hollywood.
I remember a few streams with you about that, a
lot of interesting stuff there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I kind of started out blogging about movies back
in like twenty eleven, and then I did a few
years of that and that kind of turned into a
couple of books and I did continue with that, but
it just sort of evolved into people started saying, hey,
why don't you debate this atheist guy, and that kind
of snowballed into its own, you know, world of doing
that stuff over there. But yeah, we've continued to do
the Hollywood stuff, and I just finished the third one,
so that'll be out in a few a few months.
That's what her Hollywood Part three. So appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Man, I do jay I remember you from Warsky Live briefly. Yeah,
that's the first time I was kind of introduced to
you because I was really into the blood sports stuff
back then.
Speaker 2: That led to the debate stuff, right, So I didn't
plan to debate, but then like Andy was like, well,
you should debate JF and then we had that that
JF debate and that basically like opened up the doorway
to all the other debates. So fun time.
Speaker 4: Well, debates are useful.
Speaker 1: Uh So, anyway, the way show works, I have some
clips from last week. We're going to take a look.
I'm gonna get your guys takes on them. If you
want me to pause, you can just start talking and
I'll pause the video. Otherwise I'll pause it when the
clip's over. Don't feel like you have to have a
take on everything, of course, or just if you feel inclined,
And for super chats, we'll do I'll read this any
super chats at the end of the show. All right,
let's get into it. And speaking of Hollywood, and movies,
and it's you know, it's good for us to start
the show off with the land acknowledgment.
Speaker 5: Here we gather in celebration of the oscars on the
ancestral lands of the Tonga, Tatavium and Schumash people's the
traditional caretakers of this water.
Speaker 6: Inland. We honor and pay our.
Speaker 5: Respects to indigenous communities here.
Speaker 6: And around the world.
Speaker 1: So we're still doing that apparently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, well they in Canada. It's still the rage.
Are you mean you're Canadian? Aren't you lpay Yes, I have. Yeah,
They're all over the land acknowledgments. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Did you guys watch the Oscars? I'm guess I'm gonna
guess no.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't watch them. I was kind of I don't know,
did anyone. I was kind of a little bit following
my parents. My parents watched them. Another watched them. So
I heard about them secondhand, Like what won some movie
about a prostitute?
Speaker 1: I heard, Yeah, Best Picture was like some prostitute movie.
I saw that.
Speaker 2: T R. A. N Z kind of swept it this year.
They they were the focus I think for quite a
few of war. What is that i'd always we speak
in code over my t R A n Z oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah A gotcha? Yeah yeah Jay you Since you are
a movie guy and we're talking about the oscars, I
wanted to I did want to ask you, did you
see Joker too?
Speaker 2: Unfortunately we did. Like, my wife is a fan of musicals,
and I didn't really know it was a musical. She
was like, oh, I want to watch Joker too. So
I got roped into a thing that was not only
a shitty movie, it was also a shitty musical movie,
which made it about twenty times worse. Yeah, we did
what we did watch it?
Speaker 1: We did your wife like it at least?
Speaker 4: Or no?
Speaker 1: No, I'm like I liked it. I'm like the only
person who liked that.
Speaker 3: No, no, my wife. My wife liked it. Actually, my
wife saw it. It was really good except for the end. Yeah,
so I I think you're not alone, l P. I
probably see it.
Speaker 4: Eventually.
Speaker 3: I keep on getting dragged to supposedly good movies and
then I end up not liking them, like everyone told
me knows.
Speaker 4: For Autu was good, I didn't like, but I.
Speaker 3: Didn't know I didn't like it. I mean it was
it was it wasn't bad, but there was. It was
kind of unremarkable. It was like when I, like, you know,
just competently made.
Speaker 4: Slop, is how I would describe it. Uh my right, Let's.
Speaker 1: See what else we got here.
Speaker 7: One hundred and forty race based laws in South Africa,
all anti white, and eight days ago Cyril Ramoposa, our president,
signed into law. And just hear these three words expropriation
without compensation. And this is just the straw that broke
the camel's back. There's been endless laws anti white, boiling
us like a frog in a bowl. And all I
can say is thank you America, and thank you Donald
Trump for taking notes. Because we are on the edge
of the socialist abyss.
Speaker 8: So how do you guys get out of this? Obviously
there's a complex racial history there. How do you reverse
some of this? I mean, that's an awful out of laws.
Speaker 7: And I don't think we can Internally. We have to
wait till the twenty twenty nine national election, and I
don't think our economy will survive. It requires some external
dynamic to change it. I think Donald Trump in America
taking notes and coming in swinging for a baseball bat,
maybe that dynamic we need.
Speaker 8: So when you saw over the last couple of years
in America wokeness infecting our systems and suddenly we were
focused on race and we were putting it into the
very people who said we were systemically racists that were
putting racism into the system in a systemic way, it
must have given you a little concern about the direction
we're going, as much as that's now been rolled back.
Speaker 7: Well, we've been infected in South Africa with the evil
woke mind virus way more than in America. We've got
at times too, and there's no momentum in South Africa
to reverse it. In fact, it's quite the opposite.
Speaker 4: Oo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of a heavy topic, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I mean, eventually the boors are going to have to
transition from ethnic lobbying to separatism. That's the only future
for them. I don't know how this keeps on going.
I mean, the only reason why they're not completely ethnically
cleansed is people that there's like there aret least a
few people at the State Department that make sounds to
the South African government that such a move would be
rather unwise, And increasingly the South African government is moving
in that direction anyway, and I guess they already have.
Speaker 4: But I mean, like, what's it going to be.
Speaker 3: They're going to bat away the dispossession of ethnic cleansing
every single time it comes up until when until America
gets a government that doesn't want to and then you're
out of the country.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Donald Trump is he's been making noise and
kind of you know, beating his chest at the government there,
and it's good to draw attention to this thing that's
been going on for like decades now. But that guy,
the guy Ruben, was talking there too. I'm not one
hundred percent sure who that guy is, but he's saying that, like,
we can't fix it internally and we need America to
save us. And when I hear that, I kind of think, like, well,
economic sanctions or whatever America would do that might stop
them from appropriating your land as an official policy, but
it's not going to stop like roaming gangs from coming
to your farm and killing you and taking all your stuff,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, I have no idea how you
solve this problem outside of an eventual path to separatism.
That's I should really talk to my friend who is
part of Afro Forum con Carol. But yeah, I don't
know what's the endgame for why it's South African or
Africaners in this situation.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It seems like I mean, they have a Rania, they
have ethnic lobbying, but the entirety of the bounty population
of that country is going to be pushing ceaselessly for
expropriation without redress. And if that occurs, then all the
political power that the boors have is going to be
evaporated and that will be followed in.
Speaker 4: Turn by violence. As it always is.
Speaker 3: Appropriation is always the first step of an ethnic cleansing process.
And if that goes on, I wouldn't keep my family
in that country. I mean, this is exact pattern happened
in Rhodesia Zimbabwe, and it's happening here. And if the
Mith Afrikaners want to have save a nucleus of their peoples,
I don't know how that would even work. I mean,
this is so strange. I mean we have entertained separatism
in Africa before. When South Sadan had an ethnic cleansing
problem from North Sedan, we just broke half of that
country off and the cleared that its own separate country.
I hypothetically there's you think that would be possible, but
I don't know.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on that.
Speaker 6: Jay.
Speaker 2: Well, Uh, one of the a couple of texts that
I've covered that are historically really important. Uh. Two of that,
they're both from doctor Carroll Quigley. There's Tragy and Hope
and then his other book, Anglo American Establishment, both of
which deal in significant sections with the raw Childs and
their involvement in First and Second Boer War. So I
think that when we understand that kind of big game
player strategy that's going on there and how this you know,
this family is.
Speaker 1: Well, Jay is he is in a hotel. So I'm sorry,
broke up a little bit there.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's just because I mentioned Rawchild in
the Internet.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, shut it down. Yeah yeah, right.
Speaker 2: But I have to say that I don't know a
whole lot of Like, Africa is one region that I
don't know a lot about. I'm pretty good with Middle
East and that kind of stuff, but I don't know
a lot about the modern situation in Africa. I don't
know about the a n C. And obviously you know
they're they're communist positions, they're anti white positions. But I
would just say this goes back to, you know, the
the attempt really to replace certain people's if you if
you know what I.
Speaker 3: Mean, it's it's kind of given the fact that Israel
is constantly compared to South Africa, I wouldn't wonder if
you couldn't do a little bit of jiu jitsu and
demand that there be an Israel for the Boors. That
seems entirely reasonable, And if certain groups like they're backed
into a certain rhetorical corner, you might get them to
sign on to that idea in a way that it's
hard to back out on later. If I were in
the Boors' position, that's exactly what I would be saying.
Speaker 4: In Israel for the Boors. That's the solution to South Africa.
Speaker 1: I think you're bang on right. That's the only solution
that doesn't involve a lot of violence. But that might
potentially not involve a lot of violence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, ethnic cleansings are always going to involve
some amount of violence. It's unfortunate. But if you had
a leader with a very steady hand, I think you
could do it with a minimal amount of disruption.
Speaker 1: All Right, let's see what else we got here.
Speaker 9: There is absolutely nothing beneficial that pardoning Chauvin would do
for the Trump administration, for this country, for race relations,
for anybody else. It is absolutely destructive. It makes no sense.
And so for me when I first saw this, Generally,
conversations that happen come from the ground up. Usually there's
some sort of murmuring under and then it kind of
like bubbles up and then it becomes a national conversation.
This seems to be a very top down conversation that
comes from somebody with an enormous amount of influence. This
is nothing that anybody was talking about or thinking about.
So it really makes me question why is this conversation
happening right now? It makes me question why did Ben
Shapiro want to start this conversation right now? Who does
this benefit? Doesn't benefit Trump, doesn't benefit America, doesn't benefit
race relations, It doesn't benefit anything. And the last point
I'll make on it is this, there are very few
people that can actually really speak to in depth what
was going on in that trial, how Derek Show, excuse me,
how George Floyd actually died, etc.
Speaker 4: Etc.
Speaker 9: There's probably five people that have spent the bulk of
their day on a podcast set every single day, like
Ben Shapiro, like maybe two or three other people that
can really talk to you in depth about this. So
then they're positioning themselves to say, no, listen to me me.
I'm the one who really knows about this. So what
Trump's agenda is supposed to be derailed where we're at
as a country right now is supposed to be derailed
because these leftists and these Democrats are looking for a
reason to have another race war. That is what they love.
So why this conversation is happening right now, I have
no idea.
Speaker 4: For it at all. No, there are levels of this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I already covered this one on my solo stream,
So I'll give you guys the first crack if you want.
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny to me because first of all, you've
got this idea that the establishment, especially for the left,
they had to create these civic saints. That's something we've
talked about on my channel for a while, this idea
that without Christianity, without the church as a vibrant part
of American life, you get this sort of civic sainthood
that creates figures kind of in the lineage of an
MLK whatever, and then you get the dubious legends and
stories about them, which then eventually come into question, and
so they could be removed or demoted from sainthood when
it's not true. But as this guy seems to be arguing,
I'm not familiar with who this dude is, but it's like, well,
it doesn't really matter if it's true or false that
he's you know, a new civic saint for America, because
it wouldn't be good for the nation as a whole
right now at this time. But that's not justice, that's
not you know, virtue, that's not objective truth versus falsehood.
I mean, if the guy was absolutely a criminal, you know,
drug addict character, and if Chauvin was innocent, then it
needs to be he needs to be set free regardless
of collective decisions of guilt. It's almost like it's relying
still the notion that guilt is something that's determined collectively
or pragmatically, and that's just not true.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, this is the first mention I think,
do we know that Derek Chauvin didn't kill it George Wood?
Speaker 1: Do we know that it was okay? So established yeah, yeah, yeah,
so Rob Smith is that's the guy in the cliff.
He was saying, oh, there's only like five people who
watched the whole trial, and it's like, no, not really.
All you really have to know about it is this.
The autopsy showed he had a lethal amount of fentanel
in his system. And more importantly, the autopsy doctor said
that he would have ruled it an overdose if he
hadn't seen the video. That's pretty much all you need
to know as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds that would be exonerating in most circumstances.
And there was like a lot of other stuff about
the trial where Chauvin got railroaded, like they in the manual,
that technique of putting the knee on the on the
upper back like that, that was in his training manual.
But they brought in on this like black police chief
guy who just threw him under the bus and was
like no, they we don't do that, and and they
and they wouldn't let him even they said the manual
was inadmissible if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1: So there was a there was a lot it was
like absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like these trials are highly politicized, and then
that damages the actual you know, potentiality of having justice
in your situation because the jurors and everybody involved is
now under the threat of the collective you know, mob
turning upon them. And that's actually what I think the
mainstream media is designed to do, is actually turned these situations.
Remember the guy who shot Trayvon it was the same situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I mean that's an a whole nother
reason to acquit him or pardon him because he couldn't
get a fair trial, which I guaranteed him the constitution.
But how do you have a fair trial when there's
like a ten billion dollar riot over the case, you know.
Speaker 2: Like media and trial by n g O.
Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, but you are right mentioned ja that Rob
Smith there, he doesn't He's going through like the pros
and cons and he never even addresses the question of
like is this guy innocent? What is the thing?
Speaker 2: He sound like everything was saying was like consideration. It's
like perception and nothing to do with the actual objective fact.
And you know, Virgie bis Sorr, I.
Speaker 4: Don't think that I hate this.
Speaker 3: I don't think black people really care about George Floyd
at this stage. I think they cared about it in
the moment when it was symbolic. But I don't think
that this is like some kind of perennial totem such
that if new, if they present this like it's new
evidence that.
Speaker 4: You know there's going to be erace riots or something
like that.
Speaker 3: I also people say that that this emergence as an
issue all of a sudden was an attempt to get
other issues out of the front line.
Speaker 1: Right, because the reason they came up is because Ben
Shapiro did a big thing and he put up a
website called Pardon Chauvin or some Pardon Derek, whatever it was,
and so he kind of kicked off the conversation in
this most recent iteration. But why he did that, I
would speculate and say that Daily Wires is losing popularity
and Ben Shapiro's trying to throw some red meat to
his audience, be like, no, look, I'm really right wing guys,
I'm really look at me, I'm the controversial part in
Chauvin kind of thing. I also think if I was
gonna do armchair psychology on Rob Smith here, this might
be a bit much or whatever. But I think like,
as a black guy. It's hard to be unboid. I mean,
it's as it's a racial issue, regardless of what if
you're black or white. But he he's saying there's gonna
be these race riots. And if that did have, I
like you, Dave, I'm dubious that that would even happen.
But if it did, if it did, that would just
be more basically like racial tension, and like it would
reflect poorly on black people basically. And so I think
Rob Smith doesn't want to see that happen because they
already have enough pr issues.
Speaker 3: Race riots in this country only happen at times that
are convenient for the Democrat Party, and the first year
of a fairly popular Republican president is not a convenient
time for race riots to happen in America.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 3: It is destabilizing for the Democrats. And if it was
even possible for African Americans to organize it independently of
sort of the mainstream Democrats approving of it, it would
drive a wedgend between the two coalitions of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they're recharging their batteries right now. So it's
actually a good time to pardon him. All right, let's
go on to the next one. Here. This clip does
have Nick Fuentes in, so sorry if that's controversial for anyone,
but it's not really about him. I just wanted an
excuse to talk about this. Like Scott Presler, John said
tweet that was going around.
Speaker 10: Like ten issues that conservatives gave up on, right, so
they kind of redefined conservatism.
Speaker 4: One of them is this gay stuff.
Speaker 10: Right, we've sort of embraced fully embraced the gayness. And
you were fighting that with Rob Smith, right, you guys,
the whole question was is how is anal sex of
conservative value?
Speaker 4: I mean, we did give up on this, right, What
do you think about this?
Speaker 10: I mean, are we really winning if we're talking about
all these issues but this is what we're not talking about.
Have you changed your opinion on this or what do
you think about the fact that conservatism is gay?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 11: Yeah, well it always has been.
Speaker 4: It always has been.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you guys saw this viral tweet,
but this was like Josh Sader, who was a guy
who was like on The Bachelor and then he was
pretending to be trans and he got a bunch of
like followers and then now he's hooked up with this
Scott Presler guy who is the uh what does he
call himself, the Persistence or whatever, and he was doing
all this like getting voters in Pennsylvania to vote for
Trump and apparently did like a lot of good work there,
but is also openly gay. And in this tweet they
said something like I'm conservative, conservative and gay and there's
nothing wrong with that or whatever, And it's like kind
of putting people in an awkward position, right, But my really,
my whole take on it is like, you know, you're
doing some good work, great, but maybe keep that other
part of your life off of the public space, like
keep that to yourself.
Speaker 3: The gay thing isn't important for conservatism because as far
as I'm concerned, gay marriage killed any possibility that conservatism
could even be a thing. Once it was possible for
progressive to successfully redefine a core sacramental notion that was
the basis of Western civilization and then subsequently punish people
for violating that new definition, then there was officially nothing
left to conserve in the West. And well, right wing
thought certainly has something to say about all this thing.
There can be no conservative gay marriage once you start
allowing the redefinition of your core values, and for me,
there's something more core than the sacraments. Then I don't
know what to say. You're not conserving anything that I
care about. I guess it's a little bit heartening now
to say that, for once, the trends on approval of
gay marriage are going on the opposite direction. Fewer people
are approving of gay marriage than ever before. I don't
know how much this can be solved through public opinion
at a broad level, but I think people are starting
to see through just the absolute fakenness of this entire thing.
I remember when I was a progressive, I was really
into like Andrew Sullivan, who was like, I am the
gay I am the conservative gay guy for gay marriage,
and it was it was just all thinke. It was
transparently just an attempt to deconstruct traditional values or Christian
values and then replace it with, you know, the values
of the modern elite.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have quite a bit to say on this,
because we did some podcasts on this very topic some
years back, where we covered the entire history of the
hijacking of the right in America, which I would argue
you could definitely point to gay marriage. You can go
back even further to the libertarianizing of conservatism in America,
and William F. Buckley played a key role in that
by sort of coming into the National Review, which is
kind of the hot bed of conservatism at the time.
We got multiple people fired for racism. The last of
the conservative writers, Joe Soberin, was there and then he
was out. Then the conservative mindset turned to this notion
of well, what's conservatism. It's small government, it's let me
stack gold, you know, this kind of stuff. That's it,
and let me have a corporation. That's not what conservatism is.
It can be divorced from morals and objective truth. And
like you pointed out, you can't have you know, notions
of even courts and law without the church. You can't
have marriage and family without the sacraments of you know,
the related to those things, like the sacrament of marriage.
So I mean, yeah, there's that element of it. The
subversion through I think it was actually a CIA operation
to subvert the conservative movement, turned it into a libertarian movement,
which would then open conservatism up to gay rights. But
ultimately conservatism itself was on a down trend once feminism
itself even came to exist. In fact, we just did
an interview with Tim Gordon today on the Alice Jones show.
Who We did It collabed on a documentary critiquing this
sort of con inc idea of conservatism and in regards
to even human biology and male female relations, and he
argues that you could never have the current you know,
sort of t R A and Z agenda going had
you not had the successive wave of prior to that
Skittles gay marriage, prior to that, you know, the libertarianizing
of conservatism, and then prior to that first second third
wave feminism. All those revolutions prepared the way for where
we are now with just completely empty, vacuous, meaningless conservatism.
Speaker 3: Libertarianism is cope. That is what you need to know
about the conservative movement. Libertarianism is cope.
Speaker 1: His last video that was good.
Speaker 3: It was adopted to disguise the obvious losses of the
country by the conservative movement and their inability to accomplish
anything else or present a positive vision.
Speaker 4: And I don't know, I mean conservativism.
Speaker 3: Has always done this that for the last one hundred years,
they've adopted the previous changes right up until the point
where they've kicked the pillars right out from under the
entire edifice. I mean, everyone's like, oh, how do we
get so quickly from gay marriage to the trans thing? Well,
if you can redefine marriage, why can't you redefined woman?
Speaker 4: It's the same thing. It literally is the same thing.
Speaker 3: And objects, like concepts, categories, forms are defined by their principal,
principal tellos or vocation. The principal tellos and vocation of
man and woman is marriage. So if once you destroy
the tellos of man and woman marriage, the next logical
step is to deconstruct the objects that it applies to.
So I don't know how people don't put this together.
Speaker 2: But the PEPs are for but JJ's not for you know, boo,
Let me.
Speaker 1: Ask you guys this. So I agree about the marriage thing.
I think that's a pretty easy one. But let me
ask you something a little bit more gray area. So
you have these conservative pundits who are gay. That actually
that black guy Rob Smith from the last clip, he's gay,
Andrew Sullivan, as you mentioned Scott Presler here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every time I hear a conservative, I think that
they're gay. Like that's somewhere I'm at now. Okay, So
another gay.
Speaker 1: What in your view would be what would you want
to see? Like do you think that if those guys
are effective in when it comes to like rallying voters
and stuff like that, that they should be embraced. Do
you think that they should be completely shut out and
disavowed publicly because of their lifestyle choices? What would you
guys want to see there?
Speaker 3: The thing that I don't like is the word I
am gay, Like it's an identity. As soon as sexuality
becomes an identity, it is over. Especially if an identity
can be a sexuality that is directly, you know, an
assault on Western norms. You know, people have always you know,
there's been always this problem with buggery in leaders for
a thousand years.
Speaker 4: And I don't know, people can contest a lot.
Speaker 3: Of these things, but it's been a reality in the
leadership classes, and it's been tolerated to a certain extent.
But it wasn't until the twentieth century when people went
up and said, like, I am this thing, and this
thing is like my identity is defined by my enjoyment of,
you know, a certain type, a certain sexual position. This
is bizarre. It's a function of like Freudian and like
nineteenth century ideas of psychology that tries to essentialize sexuality
and inside identity.
Speaker 4: And the problem is, once you have.
Speaker 3: A a conservative person that happens to have a buggery
habit on the side, is something that like that linguistically
parses if not being a little bit problematic.
Speaker 4: Uh, but but.
Speaker 3: Having a leader say I like my identity, like a
core part of my identity, like I am an American
and I am a gay man. That is now we're
openly saying that that this this behavior, this, this bad habit, this,
this proclivity is now a core part of your identity
and it has a political community attached to it. We
wouldn't do this or anything. We wouldn't do this for adultrey.
We wouldn't do this for extra like no one like Paul,
like Donald Trump, doesn't feel like I participated in extramarital sex.
Therefore I am a fornicating American.
Speaker 10: Like I.
Speaker 4: That doesn't, it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: I don't approve of Donald Trump's fornication, but I don't
have to acknowledge his identity as a foreignication American, right
Like that doesn't I never asked to do that.
Speaker 2: I would back that up with the practical notion. We
just did a lecture on my channel through a book
on the history of sexpionage or sex espionage, and one
of the things that the Soviets were really good at
in the Cold War was profiling people in the West
with you know, key roles in military intelligence, government corporations, whatever,
who actually might have this vice. And the reason that
they look for those kinds of people is that not
just because they could be compromised and thus controlled, but
also because it almost in every case would suggest a
person with extreme narcissistic tendencies in their personnel, and that
was another further level of control and manipulation that could
be utilized by foreign governments. Now we're not in the
Cold War, but the principle still maintains that in a
leader or a representative, you have a higher standard of expectations.
We don't expect them necessarily to be saints. You know,
kings are not necessarily going to be saints. They can
be at times, but leaders need to have, you know,
some degree of virtue. And I think we've seen a
lot of disasters on the right in the last ten
twenty thirty years, whether neocon, paleocon, trad con whatever, so
many of these people are morally atrocious individuals who should
not be leaders. Even if they're effective, it still doesn't
pay off in the long run to have people, you know,
sort of sexually compromised in this way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the problem is is it's very difficult to like
convince the wider conservative body of you know, like whatever,
I even think about this problem. I remember Dave Rubin
announcing his surrogate children and all the big accounts being like, oh, congratulations,
and I just feel like it's it's over.
Speaker 2: He's got Jordan Peters.
Speaker 3: Gays errogacy for me is just the ultimate. Do you
notice how we don't even debate about that, Like there's
a huge debate over gay marriage, there was never a
debate over gays errogacy. And if you do, if you
scratch the surface of the surrogacy industry, and in particular
the gay sergacy industry, you will you will encounter all
sorts of horror stories that you can't even believe. And
we we never once debated this. I I can't every
time I see it. I just can't believe what I'm
saying and what people, especially what women will put up.
Speaker 4: With literal, literal handmaiden's tail, sex.
Speaker 3: Slavery, and if it, if it has it has the
right optics, you know, sign me.
Speaker 4: Up for it. Apparently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's uh, let's go on to the
next thing here. Enough about that fun topic.
Speaker 12: Okay, So if you don't okay, so if it don't open,
if it don't open it too, then how the hell
are you going.
Speaker 6: To pick up your medicine?
Speaker 4: I'm okay.
Speaker 2: Can you get the fuck off my car?
Speaker 4: Thank you, sir?
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, sir.
Speaker 1: Do you want to keep saying sirt bitch?
Speaker 10: Do you want to keep saying sirt bitcham?
Speaker 4: Is that real?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That's America. That's American in a nutshell right there,
a black woman and a big fat trans dude arguing
about who gets to be first in line to pick
up their medicine or whatever. Yeah, man, I don't know you.
We don't even have to. If you guys want, if
you guys want to talk about it, feel free. But
we just move on to the next one. I just
it's just like a funny clip.
Speaker 2: As far as I want to have one of these interactions,
I don't. I haven't. I mean, I live in the
Bible Belt, so I don't see a whole lot of that.
But I feel like I'm missing out on like viral content,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I can.
Speaker 3: Tell you I've had I've had the angry Black Women interaction.
I've had the AGPU trans interaction, but I've never had both.
Speaker 4: The one you know, I remember I.
Speaker 1: Was in I was in Parksville, British Columbia, which is
this little town on Vancouver Island, and I was at
Domino's picking up a pizza I had ordered, and this
guy comes in fully trooned out, like not passing at all,
most obvious, you know, and he's got like an eight
year old boy with him, and I like, I didn't
interact at all, but I just was like, oh man,
this is like the most depressing thing I've ever seen
in real life. The kid was just dejected too, and
I think I heard him call the guy dad. He's like, okay,
dad or whatever. I thought.
Speaker 3: Man, I mean, I don't know, I've seen this just
destroy multiple families at this stage. And you know that
if you ever interview any of the trans widows or whatever,
I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's I really don't know what to make of it.
Speaker 3: I'd like to think that society is going to wake
up like from a bad dream.
Speaker 4: But we had lots of destroyed lives there.
Speaker 1: Does kind of feel like we're trending sort of back
to some kind of sanity, doesn't it doesn't it feel
like maybe the worst is over?
Speaker 4: Well, you're a.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the thing the problem is is that
how you know, the way progressives backtrack is they forget
that they ever had the position to begin with. But
now we have like Harvard and John Hopkins and Boston
University and all these places, all these medical centers that
have gotten on board with this stuff. It's part of
public record now. It's very hard for them to back out.
Speaker 2: It's a big industry too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's profitable, although they will always pick.
Speaker 4: Power over profit.
Speaker 1: M all right, Uh this one is uh well, we'll
file this one here under try not to cringe.
Speaker 8: Wirl.
Speaker 10: You gon't girl.
Speaker 13: No more sugar and spice.
Speaker 1: Than everything nice.
Speaker 14: It's a cheap thing, and.
Speaker 15: It's all in me.
Speaker 16: I can be and if they.
Speaker 1: Don't listen to me, and I Leggy's telling me out.
If you agree, now I can bring home the bacons.
Speaker 14: Ride in the pan.
Speaker 12: Never let you forget that, you know, man because I'm
a w oh and that's what I am doing.
Speaker 14: All I can the thing that isn't mad and crazy upset.
It got a break bye neck just to get my
respect go to.
Speaker 17: Work and getting paid less than a man when I'm
doing the same damn thing that he can.
Speaker 1: This is this is how we app feel to the
kids and get them back in the in the pews
right and you.
Speaker 3: Can you can hear from the echo just how empty
the church is. You can you can hear her voice
echo off all four walls.
Speaker 2: I've been doing some remixes of these types of things
when they come around in my feed, and then I
sing along with them. Did you see the You may
have even played it on your show The Black and
Indigenous People. Yeah, so I'm gonna actually find this one
and sing along to it. But yeah, that's what I
do on my Instagram in my spare time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll send you the clip.
Speaker 3: What's gone on in the prosent mainline churches is in
my mind, to straight up real estate fraud. They have
complete like the progressive branch of these of these churches
always wins. They take the building. The devout people go
off and have their mass inside of a trailer park.
And then you have these these churches with no members
in charge of like these these multi these these these
real estate properties that are worth millions and millions and
millions and millions, and then like the church closes down,
they sell them and everyone walks away with money. I
can't believe that this isn't just sort of real estate fraud.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting point. We cover that today. Actually a
little bit on the Fourth Hour with Tim we were
talking about both Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant churches too. Like
you can look at the history of really wealthy families
beginning to fund certain seminaries with certain professors as the
like they have to put this guy in as the
chair of the department or else they don't get the funding.
This guy ends up being like a super super super
lib person. This has been going on in the present
world since the twenties and thirties. Even the Protestant pastors
were writing about that back then, and then not too
long after that they started doing the same thing with
Orthodox seminaries through certain funding mechanisms that all came out,
by the way, the Roman Galley Church too, that all
came out with the USA I D stuff many of
those listed tens of millions of dollars given. True. Yeah,
liberal Lutheran churches exactly to push this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean this is this is the pattern
that all Christians have, with very few exceptions, is that
our leadership is completely stuck and if it is not
heretically compromised like this church obviously is, it is still
stuck with in a boomer way of understanding theology and
the problem of the modern world and the current culture wars,
and all the adherents of just kind of watching their
their leaders go crazy along these lines.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you guys heard Steve Saylor wrote a couple
articles about how wokeism actually comes from Protestantism? Have you
guys heard that that? And do you have any thoughts
on that?
Speaker 3: LPU, you are you are really tempting me to fulfill
my stereotype that was originally the feast itself of Mantes mollbug.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we have a There's an Orthodox writer
who wrote a book recently also back in His name
is G. M. Davis, and he wrote a book about
anti Christ and the theology of Antichrist. But there's a
great chapter in there about the idea of social justice
and activism originating in American Puritanism. So he argues that
the Puritan and this is not just the sort of
low level critique of like, well, oh, the work ethic
comes from the you know, Puritan. I'm aware of all that,
but this is actually going a little bit further and
saying that, like the notion of social justice and applying
you know, these these insane egalitarian principles, it originates with
like the Puritan idea, and then once you divest the
you know, when you de mythologize and divested of the
the supernatural, it just turns into this sort of wild wokeism.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 8: It the.
Speaker 3: Everything that we're saying with progressivism kind of comes out
of a lot of these early Protestant heresies like the
Levelers and the Quakers and the Shakers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, I mean they were moderated because they had the
spiritual dimension and they had to stick to the moral teachings.
But now it's like this one line of thought in
those specific branches of Christianity became.
Speaker 2: Who were some of the first to say that women
had the absolute equality when it came to being overseers,
elders and preachers, so radical Reformation. You're absolutely right, just
in the notion of women having that role in the church.
There was no other church, even the Classical Reformation guys Luther,
Calvin's Wingley, they would have never thought that women should
be ministers. But yeah, the Radical Reformers did.
Speaker 4: Think that, some of them.
Speaker 1: I always thought it was the Jews.
Speaker 2: But well, the Reformation was influenced by a lot of
you know, some of some Judaic ideas.
Speaker 4: Right well, well, don't read that one book by Martin
Luther though.
Speaker 18: Right right, all the information that's getting disclosed supposedly this administration,
what do you have the least faith that we're going
to come to.
Speaker 4: And I think it's because of Israel.
Speaker 19: I think that because I think I mean, when you
really dig into Epstein, his entire network was Israel. It
was clearly he was like Ahu Barack was the ex
Prime Minister and the ex head of Israeli intelligence. Leslie
Wexner was one of the most powerful pro Israeli philanthropists.
The whole organization was Israel. So I'm not saying it
was all of Israel.
Speaker 4: There's all an intelligence gathering and and.
Speaker 19: It was targeting Americans. It was targeting American officials and
the American presidence.
Speaker 1: So a lot of kerfuffle kicked up over this when
a lot of people pretty mad at Joe Rogan, anti Semitism,
anti Semitic conspiracy theories, allegations being thrown around. Jay, you
must know you must know a lot about Epstein. You're
saying you're into the Middle East stuff. What are your
thoughts on I guess, I guess the release, the release
of the documents. What do you think about that whole kerfuffle?
Speaker 2: Well, the release is a whole other topic, because, like
you're saying, like you know, if Ian is essentially relying
on Whitney Webb's books, which I've read. We have Whitney
and I have the same publisher, so I got those
books as soon as they were out, and you know,
Part two is the Epstein book. It's really good. Most
of what Ian's talking about there is from that Part two.
And I'm just scrolling back because I was after all
this stuff with Ian. I've reposted all my fourth hours
of Alex Jones covering the Epstein stuff. And to back
up the overall thesis, there is the former head of
not just the Connections that he's making with the Prime
Minister where they have Barack. But former Masaud agent Arid
Ben Manasee has gone on multiple interviews admitting that, of
course Epstein worked for Israel. It just like all over Twitter.
You can find this interview everywhere. It's on my wall
if you want to find it. So, I mean, it
shouldn't even be surprising. Of course, he wasn't just doing
it for Israel. He was also kind of at times
doing stuff for the CIA, probably FBI as well. He
had multiple passports according to like chapter one or two
of Whitney's book. So I think all that's pretty obvious.
But I do agree that it's unlikely that we'll get
the full picture because once BONDI got the truckload of
the documents, it's now being redacted. Who knows how extensive
that reaction might be. But given Trump's alignments in terms
of the Middle East, Trump seems to rely quite a
bit on probably what Israel is saying and doing in
regard to Iran. I don't think Trump is going to
want to do things that might upset Israel given his
recent statements about Iran.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I keep on expecting them to bite the
bullet on this Epstein thing. I mean, because this is
just what intelligent agencies do and have done for the
last hundred years. They create honey pots, they get blackmail information,
they use that to try to gain leverage on assets.
I mean, this is a very standard book, and we
almost have admissions that this is what was going on.
I haven't heard a single explanation that has not been
some form of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is Times of Israel. This is
not Daily Stormer. This is Times of Israel saying right,
Ad Barrock met multiple times with.
Speaker 3: I guess I can't buy bullet on this because then
that would immediately frame the question of what is Israel's
role in influencing our deep state, which is probably very extensive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the climate is not good for the public
opinion on his right now. Right, that's it's like about
as bad as it's ever been in our lifetimes. So
I can't imagine they would come out right now and
be like, oh, by the way, they were trafficking miners,
all right, what else? What else do we got here? Oh?
Speaker 19: Yeah, and it was targeting Americans.
Speaker 1: It was a little hunter.
Speaker 17: Pres How strong does your faith have to be to
pray for somebody and they can actually fucking get better.
Speaker 4: Christianity is a huge scam.
Speaker 17: Because you have to believe that you're a piece of shit,
fuck up, sinner, so disgusting and wretched you can never
even be in the presence of God. That's the first
thing you have to believe. You then accept that only
God can save you, and I can only be saved
through God, and boom, within two or three steps, you
have a total reliance. You have stripped people of their
own self worth, their own self confidence. It's gone, and
now all they have is God to rely on. It's
the perfect perfect scam.
Speaker 3: Hunter a There's so again, there's so many angles. A
man stripped of his confidence and self reliance, but not
belief in God.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't you know it?
Speaker 3: This is one thing that I've been kind of realizing,
especially since the Sam Cedar debate. If anyone caught it,
it's kind of amazing, how I mean, especially with Hunter Avalan.
Speaker 4: How can people get through like their whole career as.
Speaker 3: Leftist debate bros and influencers and not be aware of
just like very common high school college C. S. Lewis
t or apologetic responses to this, They talked like I
taught Sunday school for two years and like, my kids
could answer that, and they weren't even particularly devout.
Speaker 4: Like these are just the amount of the lack.
Speaker 3: Of knowledge on the part of progressives who put themselves
forward as people who can confront conservative ideas.
Speaker 4: It's always astounding a.
Speaker 2: Lot of times too. This mindset of a person who
used to be conservative. I think he was used to
be like a right wing guy before he went left.
Sounds like he has like a Protestant mindset in terms
of like maybe even a Calvinistic or Lutheran type attitude
of I'm complete garbage, total depravity, filth, all this kind
of stuff, which is not exactly the attitude that we
have in terms of the fall. Yeah, we have a
tendency towards the passions toward advice, we are not totally
depraved and complete filths. So a lot of that was
a really extreme sort of Protestant rhetoric there, And I
think Protestantism and Evangelicalism have actually been responsible for producing
not just the CW woke stuff in terms of a
long time term influence, but this as kind of an
atheism factory which produces people like Hunter Avalone and then
the second part about man not having dignity and self
confidence in the Christian paradigm, that's pretty laughable given the
fact that in the atheist paradigm there's no such thing
as dignity and self worth other than some relative subjective idea,
because we're all just you know, floating bits of bags
of molecules and meat and a meaningless nihilistic cosmos. So
there's no value there. And to just say, well, but
I have value in myself and worship myself. Yeah, but
that's also finite, relative subjective, and once you die, you
go into the great nothing, so it's really meaningless.
Speaker 3: Can we take a moment to appreciate that this person
was converted by Vosh?
Speaker 4: I can't quite get over that as reality, you.
Speaker 3: Know, we we can talk about the flaws of John
Kelvin till the cows come home, but I don't think
we need to. I don't think John Calvin could have
been refuted by Vosh. And that's where really hunter.
Speaker 1: I mean, if Fosh doesn't like elicit a visceral disgust
response in you, that's like a basic litmus test right there.
If you're not immediately just kind of like I think
you failed. Basically something something went wrong there.
Speaker 2: Wash and Destiny come out of the same hell mouth.
I think they need to go back into the hell mouth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll just say, what are he was saying about?
You know, I'm not worthy to be in the presence
of God or whatever. When I hear that, I think, well, yeah,
that's because God is like his glory is way beyond it,
Like it's so massive that that we can't. I couldn't
be in his presence as as a human, like I
would just melt or whatever. That is like a bad thing.
I see it as like, that's because God is so awesome.
Speaker 19: You know.
Speaker 3: That's like the easiest thing to believe about Christianity. I
find I find the redemption hard to believe, but I
find the complete depravity of humanity incredibly easy to believe. Well,
maybe I shouldn't say complete to pravity. That does sound calvinistic,
but I mean, you know that the fact that you
cannot change that either wretchedness of human I am not.
Speaker 4: I know that I'm gonna step.
Speaker 3: On a theology land mine by using the wrong word
for this, But like the the concept of original sin
and man's inadequacy in the face of God is just
so intuitively obvious to me. What's not intuitively obvious is
christ redemption, which is, you know, you have to look
into that to even believe it's possible, and you know
even then it's hard to believe.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, curiosity, did did you mentioned that Valsh
converted him? Did Hunter Avalon have a religious affiliation before
going lib?
Speaker 4: I believe? Oh yeah, come from it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was evangelical christ It was his wife had
to be evangelical. Yeah, his wife was too right. I
think they're divorced now, right or something?
Speaker 1: Yeah? She Well we don't have to get it all that,
but it was it was lurid.
Speaker 4: I've heard rumors. I've heard rumors.
Speaker 1: All right, let's see what else we got here.
Speaker 2: Will America is still be America?
Speaker 4: If it's nine Canadians ninety he's he's.
Speaker 20: Gonna I will answer the question, this America will cease
to be America? It does not have a Christian fundotion?
That that is how I landed.
Speaker 4: So it's it's that is a Indian Christian?
Speaker 2: Is that America? Like it's Christian?
Speaker 14: Now?
Speaker 1: So the audio is kind of bad there, but maybe
you guys already saw that one over. But basically he says,
will it still be America if it's Christian but like
ninety Indians or ninety percent Chinese, And Charlie Kirk says, yes,
it's basically what happened there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and actually no, actually.
Speaker 2: And part of the reason that he thinks that, of course,
is that it's unfortunate. But you know, we've been critiquing
on my channel, not just libertarianism, but the Enlightenment ethos
for a long time.
Speaker 4: And along with that.
Speaker 2: Enlightenment ethos is the premier Enlightenment nation, America, and some
of the flaws in the founding documents and ideology of America.
I'm not totally opposed to my country. I love it
as far as I can, but I do think that
it's kind of attention in the founding ideas of the
American documents, particularly the notions of you know, equality, this
kind of stuff, the Lockeyan elements in terms of Jefferson
and all that, it's just not true. And so America
was always kind of going to either go with its
Enlightenment rationalist, you know, atheist road, or it was going
to go in a more Christian route, which would entail
then you know, in my view Christian nationalism, Christian society.
You know, the Byzantine model is the double headed eagle
of church and state working together with the same body.
That would be the Christian idea, not the idea of
you know this, this idea that a nation state is
purely propositional, it has no association with the actual stock
of the people there. That to me is preposterous. But
Charlie Kirk has to say that if he's going to
try to defend the presuppositions of Americanism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is I feel like I've had
this very debate with Joel Berry. I mean, I really
wish we could focus on converting India to Christianity rather
than converting America to the Indian and then, you know,
trying to get them to be Christianism kind of constantly
prize just because Christianity is true and the most fundamental
foundation for a society's religion is not mean that all
peoples around the world are identical, right, but people are
not ethnically interchangeable. No one before the twentieth century ever
thought they were. Christianity, never asserted they were. That The
famous quote that everyone likes quoting about you know, from
Saint Paul. It there'll be neither June nor Greek is
is for some kingdom of it also has there will
be no neither a Man nor Wo. So it either
it's not designed to be some kind of idea that
every category is melted down into every other category and
you know, to the extent that it existed as reality,
it's supposed to be something that's only available, you know,
post the Beatific vision or something like that. So I mean,
I don't know, and you can you can walk people
through this, they'll they'll never internalize it, not because anything
the Christianity says, but because they had this programming that
we can't acknowledge that different peoples, even if they have
separate equal access to God, do not behave or have
identical qualities to them.
Speaker 2: I would add too, I don't know if you guys
saw the first episode of the Sam Hide show that
that went Vira Old Deer them All. I contributed a
significant part to the Deer Elon and that dealt quite
a bit with this question of interchangeable cogs and you know,
Indian people groups. So that also, I think is a
good answer to that question that was posed to Charlie Kirk,
but as.
Speaker 1: A shame, Elon never responded, never acknowledge the video. I hope,
I hope he at least watched it. Just to give
you guys a little context here, this was a twenty
twenty movie or TV show that they were putting together
and they ended up abandoning the project. But this like
trailer just leaked this past week and it's for the
Powerpuff Girls, which is a property I've heard of but
I'm not really familiar with. But I think it's like,
to me, it's interesting, how like like twenty twenty being
peak wokeness and I watched this and I kind of think, like, yeah,
we I feel like we've come a bit of a
way since then, since then, but I don't know, maybe
I'm too optimistic. But also the other thing this makes
me think when I see her the like the girls
like puking because you got drunk or whatever, and it's
this kind of like millennial vulgarity thing, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, well, one thing that's weird about this is back
in the two thousands, when the cartoon version of powder
Puff Girls or Powerpuff whatever it is, like their villain
was actually like a hermaphroditic t R and Z villain.
But now now the Powerpuff Girls are like, I'm not
going to wear something if it's you know, gender heteronormative.
Speaker 3: So definitely that phrase feels very twenty twenty. Yeah, that
it would be unusual to see something like that now
on a new TV show.
Speaker 4: It kind of feels old.
Speaker 9: Joey's life.
Speaker 2: So all of these two thousands era things, like, for example,
back in the two thousands, I don't think anybody thought of,
you know, SpongeBob as that he was supposed to be gay,
and then retroactively, oh no, it turns out, you know,
SpongeBob and Patrick were supposed to be gay, and then
you know Harry Potter, Oh it turns out Dumbledore was
gay all along. That's the magic trick, was double door
is gay all along? You got tricks. That was the
true actively taking all these pop culture things and just saying, oh,
everybody in the show was gay and you never you
just never got it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the That was the first one.
Speaker 3: The first one I remember a retroactive canonical homosexuality was
Dumbledore from JK.
Speaker 4: Rowling And boy did GK pay for that one?
Speaker 18: Uh?
Speaker 1: I was just thinking. I was watching that. I was saying, well,
what you said at the start, Dave, about how you
and your wife would watch you can't stop progress to
see how long you could last. And I was I
was like, is this clip going to be over soon?
Like this is killing you know.
Speaker 4: They hit all the cliches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot about women.
Speaker 8: I think I learned exactly how the fall of man
occurred in the Garden of Eden.
Speaker 4: Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, and
Adam said, one day.
Speaker 10: Wow, here we are one with nature, one with God,
will never age, will never die, and all our dreams
come true the instant.
Speaker 1: That we have them.
Speaker 4: And he said, yeah, it's just not enough. That's not fun.
Speaker 6: I was just waiting for more.
Speaker 2: No, that was kind of his point.
Speaker 4: Well that was a good one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She walked right into that.
Speaker 15: Forty million dollars to improve the social and economic conclusion
of sedentary migrants.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows what that is.
Speaker 4: Eight million dollars to.
Speaker 15: Promote lgbt q I plus in the African nation of Lesuto,
which nobody has ever heard of.
Speaker 4: That's disappointing as trumpet next to Wadas.
Speaker 1: As disappointing as Trump can be. There's moments like this
where I just love the guy. You know, he's just
so funny. It's comedic. Timing is the African nation of
the Soto, which no one's ever.
Speaker 4: Heard of, But the guy's got to stand appertaine for sure.
Speaker 1: Did you guys have any hot takes on the State
of the Union thing or not so much?
Speaker 4: I didn't watch it, did you guys?
Speaker 2: I watched it.
Speaker 1: I just watched the highlights.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. We ended up for some reason
why we don't usually watch congressional c SPAN type stuff.
For some reason, we ended up watching the whole thing,
and it was it was pretty entertaining, you know, in
parts like that. But yeah, I was I was actually
hoping for more. Everybody was like, it was so abaz,
it was so abaze. I was kind of one a
little more.
Speaker 16: But we came to a country founded people we deemed
inferior and stole their land right out from under them,
And since then we have imported different races we deem
inferior to do our dirty work for us, and when
that work is done, we lament their presence in our
country as an assault on our values. Have you spent
much time among the Chinese missus blake more than you
had wager.
Speaker 4: You'll have to forgive my wife's senator. She's never one
to pass up a heated debate.
Speaker 2: I guess you lost her vote, Senator if she had one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did that little at it. This is a
show called Warrior that was on Netflix that I decided
to throw on while I was working on some stuff.
And it's like it's marketed as like a kung fu show, right,
but it's like it's like kung fu and like in
America and like the you know.
Speaker 14: The.
Speaker 4: I guess that the white girl boss becomes a kung
Fu master.
Speaker 1: I didn't get that far. It's there's so much feminism
and gratuitous sex and race mixing. I just was like, man,
this is this isn't what I thought I was getting.
I just wanted to see some guys get punched in
the face.
Speaker 2: You know, my wife and I we can't even hardly
watch these kinds of shows because, I mean, the new shows,
because they're all just like I mean, it's just it's
all propaganda. And my third book, I actually waited too
long to cover feminism in Hollywood. I mentioned a little
bit in the second book. But this third book, I
had a whole I've got a whole, like thirty forty
page chapter on the goddess you know in Hollywood and
how the dark gnostic goddess is actually what I totally
how this archetype is just everywhere of not just the
girl Boss, but sort of like even further on, like
the the only way for man to achieve salvation it's
going to be through some sort of female, you know,
savior figure that replaces the masculine, patriarchal Christ figure. So
it's just, yeah, it's on rible, really, I guess.
Speaker 3: And the writing is so flat. I mean it doesn't
it doesn't, it's not shocking anymore. Just everything just kind
of feels like these.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Yeah, it's like very even.
Speaker 3: So you know now by this time, you know, I
don't know, I'm not really big TV person, but I
have looked at a few shows and the wokeness has
definitely been turned down, but you can still tell that
there is something about the writing where you just know
it's very very female.
Speaker 4: It's very very coloring within the lines. The edge does
the shows don't really have an edge to them.
Speaker 3: It feels kind of like it feels like you're watching
somebody's like woke Dungeons and Dragons game, or like live
action role playing game, or like it's like the theater
kids putting on a skit in high school. There there's
no inspiration, there's no reason why it needs to exist.
It just it just it's there to be kind of
like to go through the motions and deliver some kind
of like very very formulaic cathursas.
Speaker 14: But he's like, hey, I want to question the World
War two narrative. And this is when I was like, oh,
this is it. This is the hook that he's using.
Let's play the clip.
Speaker 1: So they used world War Two.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you guys a question.
Speaker 13: If they used World War Two to subvert white nationalism
to the point of extinction, wouldn't it be truly treason
us if the story of World War Two wasn't even true.
Speaker 14: Andrew Tate has the balls to say, Hey, we need
to question World War Two in the narrative that we
bought that nationalism is bad because Germany was nationalists in
before World War Two.
Speaker 1: So this is kind of part of the Like, there
was a series of podcasts that all happened in about
like a twenty four to thirty six hour period where
you had Ian Carroll on Joe Rogan, you had Andrew
Tate go and going on a bunch of shows and
saying stuff like that. I think he went on the
Full Send podcast and he said, you know, America doesn't
have free speech because the one thing you're not allowed
to talk about is Jewish power. Cannice Owens talked to
Theo Vaughn. They brought up Jews, and so a lot
of people were like, Oh, what's going on. It's all
this mainstream cookery and anti Semitism. Now Darryl Cooper's going
on Joe Rogan, which a lot of people are complaining
about that on Twitter as well. So I guess I
wanted to hear your thoughts on more more so than
on the specific clip on just like this general trend
of where you guys think the sort of public discourse
is headed with these big podcasts.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess I'm a little bit surprised that I talked
to Jewish cheople. They don't seem to be aware of
just how much they've lost in the last two years,
Like they've completely lost control of the men'sdream narrative, and
this is going to eventually come back and really hurt them,
and they're they're doing none of the right moves right
now to try to regain it and to try to
win win favor back for for and then they need
they need that, they need allies. As for where this
is all going to lead, the problem is is that
there's no you know, power is orchestrated through all leads
and through power coalitions, and there's there's there's not really
going to be any like political movement on this front
because all all political movements in this country are are
essentially have at least part of very powerful Jewish contingent.
Speaker 2: I would say that it's it's interesting because I knew
about these Middle Eastern issues back in two thousand and
seven eight. That was a very difficult time to talk
about any of these things. I tried to blog about
that stuff back at the time, got a lot of
a lot of heat, a lot of threats back then.
I got the first year long ban on Facebook for
talking about some of these topics in twenty fourteen fifteen.
So I've kind of dealt with that firsthand in the
sense of like kind of pioneering. And I'm not calling
myself like I'm a parioneer, but I mean, I know
the shift because now easier. Now, yeah, it's easier to
talk about just even basic geopolitical stuff, right Like you
can say exactly what Aribin Minashi, you know, former Massad
guy says, and you're called, you know, an evil right
wing tiny mustache man obsessor. But I have criticisms of
you know, tiny mustache man philosophy. I've never been into
that philosophy. I've read it, I've studied it. I don't
think that it's the most Christian philosophy. So my concern
is that even though the tide, the tides have changed,
the floodgates have been opened, people are kind of discussing
all these topics that you couldn't talk about in two
thousand and seven, eight, nine, ten. My concern is that
they're going to try to foist everyone into some extreme
type of position the other way, which might be controlled
opposition in some way, so that they might want to
have some fake right wingers. I don't think I've had
a lot of success with previous fake right wing leaders
in groups like Patriot Front things or whatever. I'm just
giving examples, you know, fed run types of things, but
they might try that. And one angle I think they're
trying to do is the Islam push, And I would
say that, you know, number one red flag for me
with Andrew Tate is trying to tie his version of
right wing into Islam and then pushing that in America,
which I think is just bad news because.
Speaker 3: Well, you think they're going to push Islam in America
as a that is a right wing thing.
Speaker 2: Oh, they already are. In fact, they're tying it too.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: I know it's already happening on in the vocal twitter sphere.
It's being tied to the push for Islam. Even had
some of the right wing traditional Catholic guys last year
with sneak O with that whole crew, hit Job, and
those guys are all bad news because if I recall,
I think Andrew Tate went had a dinner with like
the Saudi royals and then right after that he comes
out pushing Islam. He's since not been a very good Muslim,
and so some of them have distanced themselves from him.
But the reason I know about that domain is like
the last six years, I've been debating all the top Muslims,
and I've been forced to study a lot of Islam,
which I didn't know much about, but I've seen this
trend of it. They're trying to link together people who
question World War two and people who you know, engage
in discussing Middle Eastern countries.
Speaker 21: Uh.
Speaker 2: They're tying that to the red pill, right wing tape, Islam,
right wing alliance sphere, and I think that's all bad news.
Speaker 1: I agree, except except I don't. I'm not sure that
Patriot Front is fake and FEDS, but it may not be.
Speaker 2: I was just using like a potential example of like
something they're trying to put out there.
Speaker 3: Oh, I would I would say this though, you know
that the focus really has to be on who rules
North America and Europe and who can develop a political
identity for diaspora populations like the Bores. That has to
be the focus, you know, getting back at various ethnic
groups you think are hostile, I think that's a distraction.
I think, you know, like I said, I think the
worst thing possible would be the kind of like get
into this weird thing where somehow we're the representatives of
the Palestinians now and they're like, this is now the
central concern because Islam is now the right wing howl.
Speaker 4: I think that would be a disaster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm I'm not an Islam fan at all.
You know what, We'll we'll just leave it there. We
don't need to go to JQ too hard tonight.
Speaker 22: Well, I do think because there's also a lot of
great things that I see, like in like a lot
of Jewish families, they value education, they invest in their children.
Those are like some of the things that they do
super well. They work together, right, Like a lot of
Jewish guys that I know, they'll connect you with another
Jewish guy to work work with or something, you know.
Speaker 1: Like the reason I wanted to touch on this clip
is because when I hear him say that, he and
you hear this all the time here. People say like, oh, well,
I want our country to be like Israel. I want
our country to be like an ethno religious state or whatever.
And you say, oh, and I want white people to
be like nepotistic and to to like work with in
their own self interest and stuff like that. When I
hear like Theovonne say that, like, oh, this is something
I admire about Jews. They they are they like look
after each other. I kind of like think, like, it's
so you can't do that as a white person in
the current climate. Like imagine going to a restaurant and
you're you're it's a slow day and the waitress is
like chatting you up and you ask her how it's going,
and she's like, oh, I'm having car trouble, and you're like, oh,
I know a good mechanic. He'll take care of you.
He's white. She like she would look at you like,
what the fuck you're trying to get me fired? You
know what I mean, Like, you can't, you can't really
do that well.
Speaker 2: You know, since the Enlightenment, the Caucasian Western peoples have
had this inculcation of the ideology of radical atomistic individualism,
and so that's seen as something that's a violation of
altruistic principles and universal Enlightenment principles. But it's true that
in some cases, in other situations where people don't have
that in you know, indoctrination or that belief in group
preference can be a positive thing that helps them succeed
and do well.
Speaker 22: Yes, they help their group, you know, And that's something
I feel like other groups could learn how to do
as well.
Speaker 4: You know, I think he's in there. Go ahead, I
will say this.
Speaker 3: You know, Western peoples have got to start thinking collectively
about politics.
Speaker 4: That's it's got to happen.
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm not saying that it has to
have any particular racial delineation, like on a pure.
Speaker 1: When you say Western peoples, that's white people. So so
so yeah, so you're saying we need some white identitarianism.
Speaker 3: Well, what I'm saying is, I think I think that,
like I don't think there would be like a white
I think it's going to be much more like Boors
and Germans and French or you know, various groups of
like European Americans or European Canadians. I guess I still
have a little bit of the E. Michael Jones perspective
on that. But uh, Paul fixes it. Go group, collective game,
and if minimally there cannot be a discussion like this, uh,
we're just heading right back to the way we where
we were before with anti whiteness being the order of
the day.
Speaker 1: I agree.
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answer is simple, there's no one way to be trans
There's no one way to have a trans body. Our
candle to have always been and will always.
Speaker 4: Be Jina neutral.
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with top sery, scars, bottom growth, our bodies with peanutes
and breasts. The answer is yes, we absolutely do.
Speaker 4: It sounds like they're they're on top of the market.
Speaker 14: I like that.
Speaker 2: The what she said was xs ex this is actually interesting,
So let's analyze this.
Speaker 1: This is the one I mentioned free speech.
Speaker 13: This is an interesting conversation because America believes that's free speech.
Speaker 2: It doesn't.
Speaker 13: But every single country in the world has things you
cannot talk about.
Speaker 1: We kind of already covered this. Well, I'll just skip
ahead to the we're gonna I'm gonna go to super
chats in about ten minutes too, so I want to
try to cover some different stuff. Or here we go.
Speaker 21: It seems like every day they're sick and tired to change.
Speaker 1: Their clocks back different stuff.
Speaker 21: I mean, we need to lock the clock. Now we
are a person Trump of the White House. He agrees
lock the clock.
Speaker 2: I have a bill.
Speaker 1: This clip went nuts on Twitter and everybody was just
saying why, like what, why is this Israeli senator talking
about American The.
Speaker 2: Daylight savings time versus the Sabbath, Like, what's going on here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And also this is Rick Scott, who you may may
have heard about Hassan saying that they should kill this
guy and then he got like a twenty four hour
twitch suspension. I don't know if you guys.
Speaker 3: Heard off on Twitter.
Speaker 2: And guy, yeah, that's on hiper.
Speaker 4: Do you know did they not have staff that watched
these videos?
Speaker 1: There's no American flag in the framing at all. It's
just like a big like like that's like your eyes
are drawn right to that, you know, Like there's the
Israeli Yeah, purpose, I get it, but like, but he's
trying to show the support for Israel.
Speaker 3: But classically the support for Israel is an Israel flag
next to an American flag, preferbly under the American flag.
Speaker 4: This just looks like he's a he's a stroke froment official.
Speaker 2: But does the topic of is he talking about daylight
savings time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's talking about getting rid of daylight savings time,
which is not something I personally really care about or support.
I don't know if you guys have strong, strong feelings
on it, but I would.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't fit with Israel. It's like some kind
of weird mind control video or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does look very natural. Looks like that flag
is like up there twenty four or seven.
Speaker 1: It doesn't probably do.
Speaker 3: Let's think you come into the office to talk to
this guy and he has, you know, the Israel flag
behind his desk.
Speaker 21: Protection Act which would lock the clock and stop this
forever changing twice a year, so let's make sure this
is the last time we have to change our clocks.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's not even into Israel stuff. Maybe he's literally
just into kabbala.
Speaker 1: And that's like, all right, this is another tap one
that we kind of already already talked on that topic.
Let me skip ahead to Tucker Carlson here, although he's
kind of Tucker's kind of saying the exact same thing,
which is.
Speaker 11: Done principle, Like every other group in the world has
the right to its own homeland except white people. Like
what yeah, Like, tell me just explain to me how
that makes sense. Either no group has the right or
every group has the right. If it's really that simple,
And if you want to say no group has right, okay,
you might even convince me. I don't know, I'm not
a race guy. Actually, by my temperament, that'll I'd kind
of like to ignore it. But as long as some
groups have a right to self determination, then every group
has a right.
Speaker 4: It's that simple.
Speaker 1: This, This is what you're you're talking about, Dave, is
we need to we need some kind of collective, We
need to have the conversation. And it does feel like
we're getting closer to having that conversation in a real way.
Speaker 4: I mean, why not start with the bores, That's my
feeling there.
Speaker 3: Their situation is dire, and their only choice to essentially
be obliterated and ethnically cleansed, or to essentially assert a
separate identity that is politically expressed as a nation.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, they already have like Urania, right, which
is like the African or uh like town. And I
was looking at the way today that was like like
they they kind of founded that like back in the
seventies or showed like what the land looked like and
it was like a desert ye and now it's like
washed and beautiful, you know, And I'm just like, oh man,
they did a good job there. So they're they're they're
kind of already doing it just without you know, borders.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they they they got that piece of land
because it was in the middle of the desert, in
the middle of nowhere. There's absolutely no defensible geographical features
to it. There's no way there were can become a
nation because it's just it's cut off from everything. Maybe
I don't know, but I mean, it wouldn't It wouldn't
look like a nation in any ordinary sense. It would
be cut out right from the center of the of
of the country and a country that will probably be very,
very hostile to it.
Speaker 1: Just a little city state, you know, you throw up
some walls.
Speaker 4: Singapore of Africa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's interesting anytime you bring that topic that
Tucker mentioned. Uh, the opposition to that idea always points
to this sort of universal violation of some moral, some
ambiguous moral position of colonialism. Oh, you were a colonialist,
So no white people will deserve anything because of quote colonialism.
When you mentioned that about any other empire or nation
that engage in colonialsm it doesn't apply. And also there's
the reverse notion that no, you should have the West
colonized by other people groups as a punishment for colonialism.
So colonialism against you is okay as a punishment for
your colonialism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because colonialism is the reason that those countries all
got jacked up and fell behind, and so the only
fair thing to do is to give them our countries. Now, basically, exactly,
what is.
Speaker 6: The best one night stand?
Speaker 1: You've ever had?
Speaker 6: So many? I mean I had so many fun one
night stands in my twenties and thirties. So once had
sex with this guy.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for this one.
Speaker 6: To be able to call people out with their first
and last names, which is going to be hard for
this because I don't even remember his first name. I
was in at the London Olympics in twenty twelve. I
believe I was walking home late one night and this
really sexy British guy just we just locked eyes and
it was like sex, you know what I mean? Yeah,
And I was like something you would see in a movie.
I'm like, what if I just had an affair with
this guy? And I walked past him and I still
and I turned around and he had stopped and it
was late at night, Like this was dangerous, you know,
it could have been. He said, would you like to
come back to my place? That was the first thing
he said. The eye look that we had was so
intense that I was like, yes, and we went back
to his house. I mean we barely spoke. I went
over there every night after.
Speaker 4: So is she an Olympic athlete?
Speaker 1: No, this is Chelsea Hamler, healthy handler. Yeah, she's a
comedian and I really like despise her because she's also
like the poster child for child free and a lot
she does. Yeah, she does all these constant bits and
comedy routines about how great her life is. So she'll
be like, oh, I sleep until three am and then
I wake up and hit the bong and then I like,
you know whatever, go go get my nails done, and
then I have get drunk and have casual sex with
some stranger at the bar.
Speaker 4: And I looked like the TikTok lazy girl thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she she was like she had like comedy
specials on, like she she's like a pretty famous celebrity
and uh but I look at like this right now,
and it's like this is the end game for that,
Like look at you now. You're all haggard looking nobody,
no man wants you. You should be like planning your
daughter's wedding with her or something, and instead you're sitting
on a podcast reminiscing about the casual sex that you
used to have in an incredibly unsexy way too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like this, she looks she looks like Gollum.
I mean, she's like looking rough because you can tell
the that lifestyle has weighed heavy on her of the
years of of you know, being a box wine mom
and the pills and that we were We had dinner
with a Austin based stand up comedian. He was a
woman a couple of nights ago, and she was talking
about just how tired she is as a stand up
of the rest of the female disgusting comic scene, Like
every stand up female is this chick like that all
they talk about is their vagina and just nasty shit
all the time is disgusting. But the weird part is like,
since they all do that, it's not edgy, even like
they were playing on this edginess, it's all that way,
so it's no longer edgy and now it's just kind
of like degenerates talking about degenerously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually had a female comic in here, and
I skipped over it. But I'll give you guys a
little taste.
Speaker 23: Dumpster. A lot of the men feel kind of guilty.
Speaker 7: They think that they're taking.
Speaker 6: Advantage of us, and.
Speaker 1: It's exactly that. It's just like totally vulgar.
Speaker 3: Let me see here, this stuff, I keep it expecting
millennials to get tired of the whole like disgusting. You know,
profanity culture is millennial culture thing, and it keeps on
never happening. I thought we would get over this in
two thousand and for a team.
Speaker 1: It's hard to I don't know, it seems like it's
hard to dial culture back towards civilization. It's just it's
just like seems like it's like I've never really seen
things trend towards refinement or whatever or decorum, you know,
like the entire time I've been alive, it seems like
it's just we've just been trending constantly away from that. Yeah,
seconds possible. I've just never seen it.
Speaker 4: Mayor Johnson, Chicago. How much is the city in Chicago
spent on I legal immigration?
Speaker 23: If you refer into the twenty twenty two up to
twenty twenty four of the buses coming from Texas, roughly
the same percentage of the state of Texas, about one
percent of our overall budget.
Speaker 4: What is that because we don't have the city's budget
in front of me numbers.
Speaker 23: It's one percent. And if you want the actual calculation,
we can make sure someone you're the mayor, you don't
have the math in front of you. Is one percent
of the overall budget over the last that's why you
were failing. Which is the same number then of New
York actually spent on legal immigration? Mayor Johnson, I already
asked you you don't have a hard number, and if
you don't have a hard number, you're not running your city. Well,
Mayor Adams, how much of the City of New York
actually spend on illegal immigration?
Speaker 4: Six point nine billion of tech space six point nine
billion dollars?
Speaker 1: Once again, a little little snapshot of America there for you.
Speaker 4: Guy doesn't know.
Speaker 1: Mayor of Chicago doesn't know what the budget is for
the city call you would think if you knew the
budget and you're the mayor, you'd be capable of doing
a calculation of what is one percent?
Speaker 4: It's not.
Speaker 2: Want to say right right yeah, because yeah, they're ineffective
or they're actually being very effective, because I mean we've
gone to all in multiple times in the last ten
years and from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty five. I
mean that place is completely trashed. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, all right, guys, we got a decent
amount of super chats. Let's let's just get into this
a little bit and then we'll call it a night. Here.
Shift Demeanor sent five dollars on Rumble and he said,
great guests. I like the later shows. Greetings to Jay
from a Catholic brother. Thanks for the five yo I did.
We did the late show because Dave to work with
day schedule. I'm not a fan because I eat supper
and then I'm ready for bed basically, but you know,
you do what you gotta do to get the goat on.
Speaker 3: I'm still the wage cock though I work during the day,
so thanks for accommodating me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's a pleasure, all right. Nathan Kurt sent
five dollars. Happy to see Jay and Dave interact. Thank
you for that. I hope it was worth it. Hope
you got your five dollars worth of Jedier. This is
five dollars from John Isaac. Jedier got married to a
funko pop whoa oh.
Speaker 2: That is that another y'all are not familiar with my music.
I make goofy songs. You can check out my funko pops.
I hate funko pops. So the song is satire.
Speaker 1: Do you play instruments or.
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: I just do like vocals, So I just start singing
crazy stuff.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 1: Boomer Slayer sent ten dollars. No message there. Don Browning
sent five dollars for the goal no coke can pass
to please. Yeah, that's a joke from last one. Jason
Scholl sent two dollars. H BROSI sent five dollars. That's
the funny thing, Dave. There is no rhetorical corner when
it comes to whites. They will just handwave your complaints
and spam white supremacy.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, is that is that true? I mean,
is I am person who does not believe rhetoric whally
accomplishes anything? But that being said, funny position for you guys,
I think so much. Well, yeah, you're right. Do you
talk a lot? You know.
Speaker 3: There is such thing as a zeitgeist, the spirit of
the age, and just looking at how this conversation has advanced,
and now Tucker Carlson is talking about how you know
there needs to be countries that are considered you know
they're European. Racially, European people need to consider themselves to
have indigenous countries or countries where they are the indigenous people.
That's a huge step in I think a good direction actually,
But they.
Speaker 1: Do still some white supremacy, right, I mean you had
you had this Sam Cedar clip. He's talking to that
Sarah Scock. Oh yeah, and well the culture of America
is like white European Christian. A lot of people on
Twitter calling her a Nazi from the left, a lot
of the N word being thrown around, Nazi.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I thought I thought progressives like they were
trying to dunk on this, right, But I don't know,
it's our conservatives. It only really hurts if conservatives play
a ball with it. If conservatives are like, yeah, that's
a completely acceptable position, then it has entered the Overton window,
and you know, then they're just calling half the country
Nazis again and again, like they have for the last
ten years.
Speaker 1: No, that's a good point. You're right. The conservatives I
think mostly are so like you had Matt Walsh defending
it and stuff like that, which I thought was was good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again, like I don't think nationalism is going
to fix but essentially as a spiritual problem.
Speaker 4: So I want to make that one hundred percent clear.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I just I just say
this adoption of a collective frame to be just a
necessary historical step forward that just needs to happen in
order for us to kind of get a handle on
the larger problem.
Speaker 1: Though I sort of disagree because, like I think the
nationalism is the most important part, because that's the existential
threat that we're facing. And when it comes to the
spiritual side, that's something that as an individual you can control,
Like you can control your own spiritual development, your own
the way you live your life. If you live your
life in a gobbly way, no one can really stop
you from doing that, right, But.
Speaker 3: When its individually, yes, But I mean people also have
spiritual like there is such thing as I mean it's
getting to controversial theologically, there's such a thing as like
spirituality at a collective level. And sure you have to
be able to see European people's and Western peoples before
you see that they're sick.
Speaker 4: In a spiritual way. That's my thought on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's obviously there's a lot of work to
do there when it comes to like the moral fabric
of society or however you want to put it. But
I feel like, like I feel like the nationalism thing
is the is that's sort of the existential threat. And
like like Jay was saying that a nation is the
people or like that's an integral part of it and
we need to like get get on board with that,
and then once we're on board with that, then the
spiritual part will follow. I kind of think, I don't know,
what do.
Speaker 3: You think it's It's like, if you're a boor, you
need to worry about your people right now, you're going
to get like lens emly.
Speaker 1: But we need we need mass deportations, we need total
immigration like oratorium or even just like a white immigration policy,
like we're we're headed in the same way as South Africa.
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, I agree with you, but but you know,
this is what I'm saying, Like every single collective people
that has been atheist and irreligious has always committed suicide.
Like that that this is what humans do collectively when
they do not have a motivating spirituality. If it wasn't
mass migration, we'd be looking to commit suicide in some
other way. Arguably, we are committing suicide in multiple ways.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I agree that actually both positions. I
think there's a sort of concentric layer circles that go
along with both the idea of the nation as a
whole and then perhaps down the road some broader idea
of a Christian imperium that's actually the traditional position of
the East and the West. There is that collective aspect.
But I also agree that like that evangelization happens at
a local level, it filters out and then eventually reaches
like a larger scale, and then a larger scale, and
then once the society is predominantly I would argue Orthodox
Christianity is the thing that's going to be that has
that power, that ability to balance both the church and
the state. I would argue I'm not trying to spark
a debate with Davey or anything, but the Vatican, in
my view, has kind of stepped away from the idea
of a Christian state. Many Catholics have been, you know,
even critical of that in the last fifty years since Batic,
sixty years since Vatican Two. But I think in Orthodox
Christianity there's at least still the potentiality of the notion
of a Christian state.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think there in the future there might be radically
different social organizations. But I'm very sympathetic to the whole
Geepeling idea of the Christian state that has a destiny
of its own self. I'll say that to avoid the debate.
Speaker 1: Okay, Polly b sent five dollars and says I care
as much about race relations as I do the stock market. Well,
I don't know how much you care about the stock market,
so I'm not sure what to make of that.
Speaker 2: I think that might have been people care a lot
about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you have. That might have been in
the context of the Derek Chauvin and the race war
riots thing we were talking about, which you know, it's
easy to not care until they're burning down your house
or whatever. Then then you're gonna care. Michael cru sent
twenty dollars. Blessings to all y'all. Great show, looking forward
to the next Fiddler's Green. That's your show, right.
Speaker 4: Dad, that's my podcast. Yeah, I'm not very good with names.
Speaker 1: Did you read Sanman the Samman comics? Yeah, Fiddler's Green
was like a character.
Speaker 4: It was a copy of Jesterton and right, and is.
Speaker 1: That like a poem or a book that Chesterton wrote
or something like that.
Speaker 4: Or it's weird. Fiddler's Green is a.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a it's a song and a folk
song and a folk tale that was associated largely with
like sailors and and for whatever reason, uh, you know, game.
Speaker 4: And associated that with GK. Chesterton.
Speaker 3: I I played a fiddle, which is why I picked
the name uh to correspond also with my uh you know,
uh non to plume, so to speak.
Speaker 4: So it's not a very good name. I agree, I know,
I like it.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, all right, amazing disgrace sent five dollars. I
got a lot of crap for comparing libertarians to the
children with a Fisher Price steering wheel, pretending they can
drive the car. By the way, Jay, I saw when
we were talking, I saw the normal check go by
a while. Somebody said Jay doesn't understand libertarianism. He doesn't
know what he's talking.
Speaker 2: I've debated, I've been debating a critiquing libertarianism for I
don't know, since the two thousands, so I'm pretty familiar
with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you do like call in debates, right, Yeah,
we do all that there you go. So whoever sent
that chat.
Speaker 2: Well in school?
Speaker 1: Jay?
Speaker 3: On libertarianism, I have one comment, does anyone take libertarianism
seriously after COVID? That was like the last year I
took libertarianism serious.
Speaker 1: I was calling it law libertarianism before COVID. So yeah,
I'm the wrong ask Yeah.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, But I mean I dropped libertarianism when I
was a traditional Catholic. I read a bunch of SSPX
materials that were that were pro monarchy. I read Salaun
Churtz's book Critiquing Americanism. I read the papal and cyclicals
critiquing Americanism. You know, all of that's actually what cleansed
me of a lot of that back in two thousand
and seven eight. And I mean I still appreciate aspects
of you know, the Ron Paulos or whatever, you know,
audit the fad. Yeah sure, but like that's just not
enough to to build a civilization on. It's really ultimately problematic.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think libertarianism maybe has a utility in being
like a little force that kind of polls like like
that that kind of tries to check maybe, and like
the libertarians now are nominally right wings, so they can
threaten Republicans and they can say they're like Republicans like, hey,
you're you're doing too much right now, we're going to
vote for the libertarian And so in that sense it
can kind of there maybe can be good theoretically if
they're pulling on the right threads, I guess. But in
terms of like having a libertarian society, fucking forget about it.
Speaker 21: Uh.
Speaker 3: It's it's like the ultimate thing you adopt, like when
you're when you're not a progressive, you're like, oh no,
I'm not a scary conservative. I'm a liberty terry. And
then it's like all right to be that, like it's
somewhat socially acceptable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, all right.
Speaker 4: Uh h.
Speaker 1: Brasi sent five dollars and says skittlemen are buying baby
boys from their mothers to do booty stuff. You think
the worst is behind us? Hedonism will win for years
to come, oh man.
Speaker 2: Black pill black Coill comment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think I think I hate to say people are
waking up, but I think we're I think we're just
going to kind of go into different directions as a society.
Speaker 1: I heard there there was a tweet that the decline
in church attendance has like finally leveled off because it
has like young people started going to church again in
slightly greater numbers than past generations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's been multiple studies that the growth in the
nuns have finally stop. They stopped growing and have started declining,
and there's been a very small resurgence in church attendance.
So this could be the vibe shift kind of taking
root properly.
Speaker 1: Oil King sent ten dollars. He says, LP, do you
like PoCA? We need more animators like Murdoch Psalm Chapter
one needs to be said. We are done with bad
faith argument Cedar and company trash yag yag yag. I tooted, well,
thanks for the ten dollars. I'm not really a big
PoCA fan. I like once in a while it's I
like some accordion stuff, but it's not really in my
regular rotation to crank a lot of PoCA. And oil
King sent Vitalis said, Jay, could you be the voice actor?
And do you like PoCA?
Speaker 2: Voice actor?
Speaker 12: For what? I?
Speaker 1: Do you know Murdoch? Murdoch? Do you know that old
al Right cartoon? Is the old YouTube show from like
twenty sixteen they stopped making it. But he's saying it
was like an animated thing, and he's saying we need
more animated right wing cold Well, I do.
Speaker 2: I can do about fifty impressions, so I'm always down
for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's a good impression you can do?
Speaker 2: Everybody from jesse Lee Peterson to Nicholas.
Speaker 1: Cage hit us with your j LP real quick?
Speaker 2: Did you know that women at the gates of Hell
able to come through the women?
Speaker 11: Did you know that women at the gates to Hell's amazing?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: Uh, by the way, he actually thinks that when women
are the gates of Hell and the in the Book
of Genesis.
Speaker 1: I love I love jesse Man. He's a He's a
National chair treasure as far as I'm concerned. Uh, Nichol's
bord he sent two dollars. Jay, Can you do a
theology philosophy library tour like a book tour?
Speaker 14: I guess.
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody keeps asking for this. I'm not sure why.
I mean, because there's a lot of boring reference books.
Like I don't know if they think they're going to
see like my anime section, or like I don't have
any animes, so I don't I don't know why people
want to see them, but I mean maybe one day,
I guess, Yeah, do.
Speaker 4: You have kids, Ja or we do not?
Speaker 2: But that's not because we're avoiding kids. Well I don't
think we don't think my wife can have kids, but
we do not try to not have kids, if that
makes sense.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, well hopefully will because I did like
a cross state book tour thing I don't know if
you're familiar with. Yeah, he and he vlogged the whole thing,
and then he wrote a book about it called American Pilgrim,
which I read. It's actually a good book, and it
felt it seems like it would be fun thing to
do if you can swing it. A lot of planning involved, obviously,
but you get, you know, a good experience to go
all over America. And I just asked the about the
kids because it was like, it would be really hard
to do that if we already.
Speaker 2: Do that, like we actually do. When I have a
new book come out, we do live events usually we do.
We do Nashville, Orlando, Austin, LA, a couple other places,
so we usually do that every year or two.
Speaker 1: Didn't you say you have a new book coming out
or you just put one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what taricll with three will be out like
in a couple months.
Speaker 1: All right. H Brassey sent five dollars. Conservatives will always
play ball with it, Dave. I agree with your point
on the spiritual issues as well. Jay has been pressing
that point for years. Play ball with it. I'm not
sure what he means.
Speaker 3: I think they mean like the generous thing, right, I mean,
the the based gay guy has been Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: Okay, I know God, Yeah, kind of just like going
in circles here.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 1: Austin sent five dollars. When can Jay Dyer debate Adam Green?
We need this scripture battle to exist one day. What
is the story with that? Because I've heard people say
you are scared of Adam Green. I've heard people say
Adam Green is scared of you.
Speaker 2: Right, So I don't debate everyone that wants a debate.
He debated one of my good friends, David Patrick Carey
Church of the Eternal Logos. They had a two to
three hour debate. I think you can still find it
on Rumble or Bitch Shoot, and if you go watch
that debate, you'll see that. I mean usually when I
engage in a debate. It's it's a pretty philosophically dense exchange,
not bragging or I'm just saying that's how it goes.
And Adam Green has no familiarity, your knowledge of anything
to do with the basic fallacies, anything to do with
critical thinking, epistemology, and that debate with Cotel David Patrick
Carrey shows that. So it's really just not worth engaging in.
There's other people too that you know, want to do
debates that are just super low tier, and it really
just isn't worth it. It's going to be repeated that
David Patrick Carey debate, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually I hosted a debate with Adam Green and Corey
mall Are like a month ago, and that did kind
of come up where Corey would be like, well, like,
how do you like you don't believe anything, like what
is truth? And the atheists all just kind of roll
their eyes and are like, come on, this is retarded.
It's like, well, I don't know, man, maybe maybe it's
maybe it's a real question.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've got like so I've got multiple pagan debates,
have already done a debated Bogglord Dave back in the day,
and I've debated all the top atheists, so it's just
like those kind of debates are just kind of like
the same debate over and overever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, h Brass's in five dollars. I'm the
most dedicated jfall who are on Earth right now, so
trust me, I'm not blackpilling at all. I just don't
think the culture shift will occur soon. Okay, Well, thank you.
Speaker 2: For I agree with that. I think, like you know,
we're under decades and decades of social engineering, Fabian socialism,
mind control Taasauk Institute, so it's probably gonna take decades
and decades to undo.
Speaker 1: It, might view. Thank you. Lev sent two dollars and
says I missed his super chat, but I'm scrolling through
it again and I don't see it. Lev. I'm sorry,
unless it's on the Power Chat, which I haven't got
to yet. All right, Helio's ten or sent five dollars.
I want to be a guest on this show. Well,
the problem is is nobody knows who you are, dude,
at least I don't, But you know, maybe Nichols Bordy
sent two dollars. Jay, when's the Alex O'Connor and Michael
Knowles debate.
Speaker 2: Uh, that already happened, So I don't know why they're
asking me that.
Speaker 3: I think I'm going to be on Lev's channel tomorrow
for a debate, So that's probably why it's super chatting.
Speaker 1: Who are you debating.
Speaker 4: Some liberal about whether Trump's gone too far?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm always debating like this avenue of
like centrist liberals that it's been doing this again again again.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, yeah, Lev. If it was on YouTube,
I just I don't see it. But we'll go. I'm
going over to the Power Chats now and then we'll
be well, these should be the last ones here.
Speaker 2: Let me see, is it?
Speaker 1: He's twelve floor? Just a few here?
Speaker 2: Rick Berger, I'm sorry, I just I just remembered I
was thinking of Alex O'Connor and someone else. Is there
an upcoming Michael Knowles Alex O'Connor debate.
Speaker 1: I don't know who is Alex O'Connor skeptic? He's like that,
ah yeah, yeah, okay, oh yeah right.
Speaker 2: Man, I don't know.
Speaker 4: He's like a throwback to two thousand and seven, very much,
very much.
Speaker 1: Michael Knowles is pretty sharp, so I might check that out.
If it happens. Rick Erger sent five dollars. Great show, LP,
been watching you for years. Was disappointed to see you've
blocked me on Twitter. Not sure how it happened. Would
you mind I'm blocking the idea? Uh yeah, hopefully your
Twitter name is rick Erger. I'll look for that. If
you have a different handle, you should have included it.
People always do this thing like, hey, can you unblock me?
And I'm like, well, I can't find you, but I'll
look for you and unblock you if I can find you.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Michael Knowles, I just remembered, Uh, we're trying
to get a debate on Tim asked with it's me.
I'm not sure who my co debate person would be,
but Tim Gordon and Michael Knowles versus me and somebody.
And then now they want to bring in a Protestant,
which I think that's going to be too many people,
but it might be Wes Huff, so we might have
a giant.
Speaker 1: Big star. Now west Huff, who did you say Gordon?
Who's the other one?
Speaker 2: So Tim Gordon thrills for retrogrades, retrograde and he's buddies
with Michael Knowles. So we're trying to get.
Speaker 1: That set up, and it's just going to be like
a like a theological sect to beate's yes, like Orthodox
versus Protestant versus Catholic debate.
Speaker 2: So it'll be huge if Michael Knowles will do it.
I kind of feel like you won't, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll see you never know. He went on whatever podcast
a bunch of times, and that seems like a lower
level than Tim Foole, So who knows betrayed cent three
dollars Florida Israel got to go. No, no, I'm not
sure what that's in reference to. And then let me
see there's a couple more came in on YouTube. Ten
dollars from h Brassey just to further bolster what Jay
said regarding Adam Green go find his debates with gem
or Andrew. No understanding of what fallacious arguments are. I'm
not just capping for Jay.
Speaker 2: The dude is yeah, I forgot the debated Gene. That
debate's really good too, And I forgot you debated Andrew.
Speaker 1: That's right cool, Thanks very much for all the support everybody.
And finally five dollars from Amazing Disgrace. Change can come
quick as quick as an epiphany. Have faith in what
you are doing. I hope so, I hope change does come.
All right, That's that's everything. Wow, good show, A lot
of heavy stuff my brain. I'm gonna need a a
drink and a crash after this. But thanks you so
much to my guests. I'll give you guys a chance
to p or let people know where to look for you.
Of course I put links to your Twitter and your
YouTube accounts. But if there's anything else you want to
plug or let people know about, please go ahead, Jay,
why don't you start?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Thanks man, this was a lot of fun. I enjoyed
talking to both of you guys. Great topics, funny, funny,
fun videos tonight. Yeah, my, like I said, Third Esater
Hollywood book will be out in a couple of months.
You can always buy one and two in the shop
at my website Jasonelsis dot com. We have a vast
archived there of all my talks, interviews and lectures going
back last decade or so. You can follow me on
X for Alex Jones every Friday. We just did two
shows with Alex the past couple of days, so go
check those out on X and Yeah, I think that's
if you follow me on any of the socials, it's
under my name. So thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Thanks. I guess i'll go. I'm Dave Green. I blog
at Well.
Speaker 3: I'm mostly known for the YouTube Channe the distributest, and
I'm off Twitter for lent. But you can catch me
at my seb stack at fiddler Letters from Fiddler's Green.
Speaker 18: Uh.
Speaker 3: And that's pretty much it. Thanks for having on. It
was a great conversation.
Speaker 1: Oh man, okay, Lev have sent on stream labs my bad,
but once I did miss that. Okay, so on stream labs,
Lev said five dollars. He said, Dave a reminder about
tomorrow's show with River Page at seven. Well, you you
already brought that up, so he said, please let me know.
But it sounds like you're you're gonna be there.
Speaker 4: It's on my calendar.
Speaker 1: Yes, there you go. You can always count on Dave
and also J also J gnostic informant would def love
to talk with you, and he feels you two got
off on the wrong foot.
Speaker 2: I'm good, thank you. I'm shooting for Michael Knowles, I'm
not shooting for Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, guys, Thanks wonderful guest, Thanks for being here,
Thanks everybody for watching, and all the super Chests great
support tonight, I really appreciate it. We're gonna call it
a night, so everybody enjoy your evening and we'll catch
you next time. Bye bye