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<v Speaker 1>Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly flapping.

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<v Speaker 2>And wing big down in the forest. Man, it gonna

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<v Speaker 2>cause the tree fold, letting five thousand miles away. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>you nobody see it. Nobody. You don't need to know. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>you follow this story and you got backed like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Win man go black and dang on panema Man, Man,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't matter. Manka All right, logan Hole, Welcome to

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<v Speaker 3>Jay Burden Show.

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<v Speaker 1>How you doing? Then?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me? I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dude. So obviously I'm familiar with who you are

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<v Speaker 1>in your work, but my audience might not be. So

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<v Speaker 1>who do you are and what do you do?

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<v Speaker 2>So? I am a digital strategist for the Blaze. I

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<v Speaker 2>do a little bit of everything over there, posting on platform,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I write when I feel like I have

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<v Speaker 2>something kind of original to say. I help with some

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<v Speaker 2>of the marketing. I do a little bit of everything.

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<v Speaker 2>But at heart, I'm just a patriot who loves America

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<v Speaker 2>and cares about the country. So, and I was, I

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna say, I was wondering. I was like, this

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<v Speaker 2>guy is having on all of right wing Twitter except

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<v Speaker 2>for me on his show. So I'm glad to finally

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<v Speaker 2>be here. Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, it's kind of funny. And there have been multiple

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<v Speaker 1>of these where someone's like, hey, haven't you talked to

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<v Speaker 1>him yet? And my response will be like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>talked to him two years ago, and I'll look at

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<v Speaker 1>it that never happened. I just assumed that I did,

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<v Speaker 1>because surely I wouldn't have missed this obvious person al

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<v Speaker 1>on my show. Look in my defense, my scheduling is

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<v Speaker 1>whatever I write down on paper. Hey, so the system

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<v Speaker 1>is not airtight. There are is you have no doubt

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<v Speaker 1>seen in planning this. There are some errors every once

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<v Speaker 1>in a while. But yeah, man, I'm really excited to

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<v Speaker 1>have you on. So one of the and I've been

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about this because you know, we're kind of approaching

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the year, and I think that there

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<v Speaker 1>are sort of several identifiable trends, you know, that we

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<v Speaker 1>can consider to be kind of prototypical for the year.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think one of the most concerning, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the ones i've you know, think is the most dramatic

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<v Speaker 1>change is that effectively all taboos around political violence are gone,

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<v Speaker 1>at least if you're on the political left. We obviously saw,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of an earlier version of this during

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<v Speaker 1>the rise of Antifa, you know, during you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>first Trunt presidency, and then certainly over you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>fiery but mostly peaceful Summer of Love. But there's been

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<v Speaker 1>a major ramping up in both the complexity and the

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<v Speaker 1>degree of violence. Obviously, we don't alcilate based off of

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<v Speaker 1>the target, and you know, some other details we don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm curious, man, what do you make of this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of disturbing rise in political violence.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, I mean, I obviously think it's frightening. I

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<v Speaker 2>after the Charlie Kirk assassination, I think that the right

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<v Speaker 2>was very unified, even among like what would usually be

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<v Speaker 2>called like the squishes and like the typical kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like Republican establishment. Of course, like right wing right wing

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<v Speaker 2>people were more they already understood what time it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this was like a wake up call for

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the normies so called uh and and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the establishment, and everyone was unified. There were

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<v Speaker 2>there was a period like two or three weeks, I

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<v Speaker 2>think at least maybe a month where everyone's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>time to like set aside disagreements. We have to fight

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<v Speaker 2>the enemy, and we have to understand like the enemy

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<v Speaker 2>is the left. And what ended up happening. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if this was because people had too high of expectations,

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<v Speaker 2>or if they kind of just wanted to move on

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<v Speaker 2>from the news cycle or change direction. But what happened

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<v Speaker 2>was they got even more like they just started like

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<v Speaker 2>after about that month, they just started really really kind

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<v Speaker 2>of attacking each other and deciding not to be united,

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<v Speaker 2>not to be like, Okay, our enemy is the left.

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<v Speaker 2>They turned their guns inward, and every faction this so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying like one or the other whatever, But

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<v Speaker 2>and then all these bizarre conspiracy theory, conspiracy theories. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not one to crap on conspiracy theorists, but all

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<v Speaker 2>these bizarre things about how Charlie Kirk died and and

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<v Speaker 2>everything else started rising to the top and taking over

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation, and and I think we lost focus, and

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<v Speaker 2>this was, uh, this was very unhelpful. I think Scott

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<v Speaker 2>Greer had a good piece that like, it looked like

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<v Speaker 2>this was going to be bad for the left, and

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<v Speaker 2>actually it ended up kind of really hurting the right

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<v Speaker 2>because I think a lot of people did not recognize

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<v Speaker 2>how much of the glue Charlie was holding this whole

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<v Speaker 1>And and so.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, you know, I have my criticisms of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I love Trump. I'm a big Trump guy. I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>big bag of guy. But and maybe our on our expectator,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, maybe our expectations were a little unrealistic.

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<v Speaker 1>But I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think people were expecting to see some big crackdown on

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<v Speaker 2>the left. The you know, I've seen like they did

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<v Speaker 2>the Antifa designating it as a terrorist organization and whatever else.

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<v Speaker 2>And I understand that these things take time, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still holding out hope, but I think people were

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<v Speaker 2>were wanting an immediate crackdown on the left, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like in the vein of what they did to January

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<v Speaker 2>sixth protesters and everything else. And that's just not what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And so immediately people started saying turning their guns inward

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<v Speaker 2>and start saying, oh, we have to attack this group

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<v Speaker 2>or that group on the right, and it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>just turned into a debacle actually, like they took out

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<v Speaker 2>our most like literally our most influential person, especially among

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<v Speaker 2>the youth, and then we kind of just decided to

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<v Speaker 2>throw up our hands and like kind of attack each

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<v Speaker 2>other and destroy ourselves over it. It's just not the

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<v Speaker 2>signs of a healthy movement. And so, you know, as

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<v Speaker 2>that crackdown did not come, or it hasn't come yet,

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<v Speaker 2>we are seeing more and more of this stuff arise up.

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<v Speaker 2>That Brown University thing is the whole situation there is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>The police have no idea. I mean, the shooter is

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<v Speaker 2>still gone. We wouldn't have even had Charlie Kirk shooter

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<v Speaker 2>if his own family didn't turn him in. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, why are we living in this It's like

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of a police state where like the cameras

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<v Speaker 2>and surveillance are supposed to be everywhere, but we can't

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<v Speaker 2>get like a shooter that's targeting an Ivy League university

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<v Speaker 2>or something. I don't know, but it's it's very worrying.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think the left. I saw Matt Walsh

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<v Speaker 2>make a good point today too that if the most

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<v Speaker 2>prominent leftists in America was like killed on camera, there

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<v Speaker 2>would have been under a Democrat administration, there would have

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<v Speaker 2>been immediate, immediate crackdowns. And I think like people on

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<v Speaker 2>our side, there is some reasonable criticism like oh, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna You're just like you're never going to get

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<v Speaker 2>mass arrests of leftists. And that might be true, that

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<v Speaker 2>might be like a good and unreasonable expectation, but something

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<v Speaker 2>has to change. Uh, you cannot have this environment where

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<v Speaker 2>conservatives are afraid or worried that they are going to

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<v Speaker 2>go out in public and speak their minds and be targeted,

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<v Speaker 2>potentially targeted with violence, and nothing's going to have happened.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that there has to be in a political system.

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<v Speaker 2>You there has to be if you're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>loyal to the Republican Party or the GOP or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>there has to be some level of protection that they

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<v Speaker 2>provide to their people, Right, But I think I think

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<v Speaker 2>some people don't feel like that's that's all there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well one hundred percent. It's like, look like politics

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<v Speaker 1>is transactional. Ultimately, it's like, hey, what are you going

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<v Speaker 1>to do for me? Like we can church it up.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's really what it comes down to. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the things we've been getting out of the

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<v Speaker 1>administration have been great, right that Obviously the immigration stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is huge. There are things that are were much needed.

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<v Speaker 1>But fundamentally, it's like, well, if you can't guarantee my security,

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<v Speaker 1>what are we doing here? Right? Because that's very that

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<v Speaker 1>is the base of you know, Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

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<v Speaker 1>They've heard of it before, Oh yeah, And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that additionally, one of the other things about this is

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<v Speaker 1>the the incentive creates. Effectively, we have reinforced the message

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<v Speaker 1>that political violence works. You can, you know, sacrifice one

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<v Speaker 1>guy maybe you know, at least in some situations he

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be able to get away and you will

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<v Speaker 1>throw the other side into chaos. Right, there'll be a

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<v Speaker 1>squabble for that role that he used to have, which

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not trying to be overly cynical here,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do think that's a lot of the infighting.

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<v Speaker 1>That TPUSA is a giant platform with a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money behind it, and so I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>fight for who gets to control that money and that influence,

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<v Speaker 1>at least on some level. And you see this in

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<v Speaker 1>how many people have thrown their hat in the ring

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<v Speaker 1>to replace Charlie Kirk, which I mean, I don't know, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're accepting auditions, you know, I wouldn't mind two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty million dollars. I'll you know, be generous

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<v Speaker 1>enough to take it. But in all seriousness, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what we've effectively taught the radical left is that you

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<v Speaker 1>can do this, and you know you'll have to sacrifice

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<v Speaker 1>a guy. He'll have to face consequences, but you basically

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<v Speaker 1>get what you want. You get to throw the other

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<v Speaker 1>side into chaos, you get to take out one of

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<v Speaker 1>their key players on the board, and yeah, sure there's

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of a typhoon in a teacup. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>people get really upset about it for a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but once that's done, that's done, and the state of

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<v Speaker 1>play is basically exactly the same. One of the interesting

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<v Speaker 1>elements of this, I think, and I'm not sure if

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<v Speaker 1>you've seen it, is this sort of like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>smirking face of you know, the Kirk assassin right now

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<v Speaker 1>that he's been brought into court. Because one of in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, the sort of open questions of the post

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen but really the post twenty twenty era is

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<v Speaker 1>basically what is the left wings role for young men,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly young white men. That sort of an open question

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<v Speaker 1>for a while, like how can you be on side

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<v Speaker 1>for a little bit, it seemed like you could be

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of like dirtbag leftist Bernie bro Thing that's

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<v Speaker 1>been sort of pushed out. Then there was the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of debate bro streamer archetype that you could be that guy,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's sort of fading in prominence and they've been

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<v Speaker 1>replaced by it bizarre gaggle of transsexuals, and so ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, well, you can do that, like that's one

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<v Speaker 1>way you can join the coalition, But it seems as

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<v Speaker 1>if the other way is you can kill someone, like

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you can do to sort of be immortalized,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Aaron Bushnell, like I let himself on fire

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of another example. I don't think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>great deal. I don't think a lot of people are

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<v Speaker 1>going to take them up on it. But nonetheless, you

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<v Speaker 1>do see a lot of these like deranged losers basically

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<v Speaker 1>looking for glory, and when they are assured that they

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<v Speaker 1>will be given that, they have at least some chance

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<v Speaker 1>of getting away with it, and that is how you

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<v Speaker 1>will win social approval. I don't know, man, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>Logan one hundred percent. Yeah. Luigi Mangioni was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>and the left will eventually, you know, if you make

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<v Speaker 2>for a little while or whatever, they hold you up

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<v Speaker 2>as an intellectual. You are a part of their your

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<v Speaker 2>you're advancing the revolution. Right, they did this with the

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<v Speaker 2>Weather Underground people that if you commit literal terrorism, you

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not saying that the Republican Party or

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<v Speaker 2>But back then they effectively excise Sam Francis and Pap

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<v Speaker 2>Buchanan from the movement and they're like, you guys can go,

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<v Speaker 2>And so this is this is the result of this

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<v Speaker 2>our political conversation always moves to the left. It always

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<v Speaker 2>always advancing their revolutionaries professionally, politically, and if one side

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<v Speaker 2>is always punishing, they're not even revolutionaries. But just like

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<v Speaker 2>people who held the same opinions that like an American

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<v Speaker 2>from like the early nineteen hundreds held, then you are

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<v Speaker 2>larger debate. I would argue within like the Republican and

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<v Speaker 2>But also like you can't just you're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and in the immortal words of uh, you know

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Levin, Hell, yeah, we canceled jo so Soberin.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, you know, he may he may have a different

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<v Speaker 1>opinion on any number of issues than you know, me

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent right about that trend line. If you are

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<v Speaker 1>constantly purging yourself according to the moral precepts of your

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<v Speaker 1>alleged enemies, where do you think that will bring you?

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<v Speaker 1>It isn't to fighting them harder, it's to being more

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<v Speaker 1>like them. Uh. I have an unfinished piece. It'll probably

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. Uh talking about a piece that Day French

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<v Speaker 1>French piece. It's not very good. And when he's basically

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<v Speaker 1>doing yeah, yeah, I know, I feel I feel a

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<v Speaker 1>little dirty for doing this, Like I can't help myself.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. It's like you know, an alcoholic you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like for me, it's like, oh, David French wrote something new.

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<v Speaker 1>But point is, you know, he has this whole he

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of like magazoomers three years ago and is still

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<v Speaker 1>upset about it. Uh. And he talks about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like the fact that you know, the core complaint of

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<v Speaker 1>that things are getting worse and they have gotten to

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<v Speaker 1>such a state that we need to abandon the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of legacy conservative movement, their way of going about things.

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<v Speaker 1>And he says that that is, you know, that's wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>that's you know, things are actually getting much better, and

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<v Speaker 1>that really the problem is people are just upset about nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the algorithm made them mad. And look like

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<v Speaker 1>there are a couple of problems here, which is one,

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<v Speaker 1>like things have gotten pretty rough, Like we've mentioned there's

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<v Speaker 1>been a spate of you know, left wing political violence,

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<v Speaker 1>and we mentioned the assassinations, this brown shooting, which we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know but we can suspect. But also like, look

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<v Speaker 1>like there were like twelve guys who like set up

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's kind of that. That is unprecedented in recent history.

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<v Speaker 1>Things like that didn't used to happen. This is setting

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<v Speaker 1>aside immigration. This is a setting aside the job prospects

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<v Speaker 1>for young white guys after twenty fifteen. There are many

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<v Speaker 1>measurable ways and which you can say, like, look like

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<v Speaker 1>things aren't doing well. And again, you know, the assumption

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<v Speaker 1>is ultimately that because of you know, the GDP, because

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, the market price of a flat screen television,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, your life expectancy when you have terminal cancer,

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<v Speaker 1>not only is the state of America positive, but by extension,

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately left wing political goals are legitimate. That is the

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<v Speaker 1>purpose of the conservative movement to do those same things.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, and I'm picking on Friendship particular because he's

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<v Speaker 1>fun to pick on, but there are many people in

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<v Speaker 1>and we really dig down to it, if you believe

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<v Speaker 1>that the past is horribly and irredeemably tainted that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we just need to go into this future of extending

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<v Speaker 1>Godfried would say it, right is truly the people who I,

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<v Speaker 1>almost more than anyone else, have grown to detest in

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<v Speaker 1>all of this because again, right, like, the consequences for

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<v Speaker 1>you know, refusing to bend the knee are dramatic. The

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<v Speaker 1>reaction that I and many other people on the more

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<v Speaker 1>was an initial shock, like, wait him, like, he's the

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<v Speaker 1>And who what does that make everyone else? Right, people

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<v Speaker 1>who are either between me and Kirk are between me

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<v Speaker 1>and Chairman Mao, like what does that make them? And

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<v Speaker 1>the answer is apparently right for political assassination, let alone

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of direct threats of prosecution leveled towards the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump administration. Right, We're gonna send hag Seth to the Hague.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump will go to jail. And if this is the consequence, one,

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<v Speaker 1>clearly things are not going well in America. That would

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be a negative indicator. But also like what

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<v Speaker 1>if this is supposedly an existential threat. Your career will

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<v Speaker 1>Like where's the lack of action coming from? Because I

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<v Speaker 1>would assume, even just off of selfish you know, motivations,

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<v Speaker 1>How do I make that not happen? Or I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be shot? How do I keep that from happening?

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<v Speaker 1>And I see from a lot of the conservative movement

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<v Speaker 1>a lack of even just basic self preservation you'd expect

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, no, absolutely, And kind of going back to a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of what we're talking about, what happens is

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<v Speaker 2>the Republicans, like the David French's for instance. They they

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<v Speaker 2>are allowed a spot at or at least you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to be like an MSNBC. It might be a guest

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<v Speaker 2>have this sort of arrangement. The Democrats if the minute

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<v Speaker 2>that you get out of line, that like someone like

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<v Speaker 2>of line, they're like, you are gone. RFK Junior. The

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<v Speaker 2>guy's freaking family is they were before Obama. They were

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrat prominent, premier Democrat family, like they were the

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<v Speaker 2>the Kennedys, we love that, we love Ted, we love

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<v Speaker 2>He was called the line of the Senate after he

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<v Speaker 2>Now maybe he won't be president, but he'll be in

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<v Speaker 2>in a prominent position within the part. The moment that

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<v Speaker 2>And what happens is the Republicans do the exact same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>able to appear on MSNBC as a guest, they're like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Hillary Clinton's views from fifteen years ago, ten years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just, it's always even like and and then the

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans the conservatives say, yeah, you know what, you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's my right as an American. But again, and when

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<v Speaker 2>as you do that, as soon as you someone with

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<v Speaker 2>like drift from Okay, I these aren't opinions you'll ever

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<v Speaker 2>they're numerous of these people that still are pretty well

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<v Speaker 2>entrenched in conservative politics. The moment that you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>get away from that, they the left is like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a target. This is someone who is not

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<v Speaker 2>is not someone that we can just like welcome into

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<v Speaker 2>our coalition to crap on red America anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and the thing is that, look, we've run this

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<v Speaker 1>playbook over and over again. It's not like, you know,

424
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<v Speaker 1>the secret has just been discovered. You know that if

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<v Speaker 1>you play, if you play to the center constantly, you know,

426
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<v Speaker 1>if you adopt, you know, the liberal values of ten

427
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<v Speaker 1>years ago, if you know vainly try you know, election

428
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<v Speaker 1>after election to appeal to demographics that vote against you,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ninety three to seven, right to quote the

430
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<v Speaker 1>results of win some series in a recent election. It's

431
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<v Speaker 1>not like you do that, and that's the silver bullet.

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<v Speaker 1>You get it, you get into power forever. We've been

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<v Speaker 1>trying this for generations, longer than you or I have

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<v Speaker 1>been alive, and it doesn't it doesn't yield a victory.

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<v Speaker 1>And many people, you know, many of the new reactionary

436
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<v Speaker 1>as well as others, have pointed out the fact that

437
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<v Speaker 1>effectively the Republican Party doesn't actually exist to win right,

438
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<v Speaker 1>it's it's they are the fail sons of the political order.

439
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<v Speaker 1>They exist so that guys in the Republican Party get

440
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<v Speaker 1>to be this sort of like Retardo Baron of backwater America,

441
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<v Speaker 1>and they get to enrich themselves and they get to

442
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:06.400
<v Speaker 1>stay in power for a long time and you know,

443
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:11.119
<v Speaker 1>become multimillionaires more than that, and they get to be respected,

444
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:12.519
<v Speaker 1>and they still get to go to all of the

445
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:16.839
<v Speaker 1>same parties and that's it. It's an easy deal and

446
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:20.400
<v Speaker 1>nothing is really expected of them. And we've seen that

447
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:23.480
<v Speaker 1>change a little bit, right, you know, sell you about Trump,

448
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:26.480
<v Speaker 1>but he has introduced the concept of winning into the

449
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.359
<v Speaker 1>mind of the American conservative, which, if nothing else, Man,

450
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<v Speaker 1>we got to give him an award for that, because

451
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<v Speaker 1>that was that was all of the lesson But nonetheless, right,

452
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:41.880
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned earlier the kind of protection racket offered by politics. Right, effectively,

453
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:44.839
<v Speaker 1>what are you getting in exchange for your support? And

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<v Speaker 1>for a very long time, the political formula of the

455
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Republican Party was basically, well, we'll leave you alone for

456
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<v Speaker 1>as long as we're in power. We won't ruin your life.

457
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<v Speaker 1>And okay, that's certainly better than having your life ruined,

458
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:58.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, given a binary choice, but that is not

459
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<v Speaker 1>the same deal offered to shall we say, other interest groups, right,

460
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:06.920
<v Speaker 1>offered to other you know, clients of the regime. You know,

461
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:10.720
<v Speaker 1>for instance, you have this guy out of Portland too,

462
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:13.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, crazy homeless drug addicts. Right. I'm not gonna

463
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:15.200
<v Speaker 1>pretend to either. One of these guys are upstanding citizens.

464
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<v Speaker 1>But you know there's an altercation. You know, a dusky

465
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<v Speaker 1>gentleman stabs a white guy and after being stabbed, the

466
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<v Speaker 1>guy who has got a knife in him uses a

467
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<v Speaker 1>racial epithet right for black Americans, which you know, I'm

468
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<v Speaker 1>not gonna morally excuse, but like, the guy's been stabbed,

469
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<v Speaker 1>you know, clearly this is not a great moment for him.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's not like a premeditated hard r you know,

471
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<v Speaker 1>full eye contact and everything. Yeah, but this this stabber

472
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 1>has been let go. The jury equits him because of

473
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:50.240
<v Speaker 1>that detail. Right, It was sort of this like you know,

474
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>pre crime. You know, he he knew in his heart

475
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:56.119
<v Speaker 1>that he was racist and stabbed him and it confirmed it.

476
00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:59.599
<v Speaker 1>But look like that's an incredible piece of patronage there.

477
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.759
<v Speaker 1>If you're a client of the regime, you can stab

478
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<v Speaker 1>someone and you can get away with it. We've seen

479
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:09.880
<v Speaker 1>this in other cases as well, right the you know,

480
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<v Speaker 1>the the whole you know, this whole sort of affirmative

481
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<v Speaker 1>action apparatus, you know, disparate impact. All of these are

482
00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:23.079
<v Speaker 1>basically rewards offered for your loyalty. And you look at

483
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, what has been offered, and basically we're looking

484
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:29.400
<v Speaker 1>at sort of a civilizational dispossession. You know, it's kind

485
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<v Speaker 1>of slow marched over seventy years, and you start to

486
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<v Speaker 1>say like, well, wait a minute, this is possible. I

487
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:40.839
<v Speaker 1>see other people getting something, so why not me? And

488
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<v Speaker 1>you see this sort of fury from the kind of

489
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:46.880
<v Speaker 1>conservatives or yes of yesteryear, you know, the old the

490
00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:50.119
<v Speaker 1>old true neo cons you know, Crystal and French and

491
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<v Speaker 1>others who basically want to put that genie back in

492
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:54.319
<v Speaker 1>the bottle to say like, well, why can't we go

493
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<v Speaker 1>back to the good old days where I didn't have

494
00:29:56.680 --> 00:29:59.400
<v Speaker 1>to do anything that was a lot more fun. And

495
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<v Speaker 1>when I say I didn't have to do anything, I'm

496
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<v Speaker 1>not saying that. You know, the people currently empower the

497
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<v Speaker 1>you know, the the Maga block, whatever you wanna call it,

498
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<v Speaker 1>are like the best political actors possible. But to say

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is an interesting an interesting change is

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<v Speaker 1>sort of how nakedly political many things have become where

501
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:20.519
<v Speaker 1>it's not necessarily like we're resorting and it still happens,

502
00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:23.079
<v Speaker 1>but to kind of this like you know, high minded idealism,

503
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:25.039
<v Speaker 1>it's a lot more of like, well, what's in it

504
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.640
<v Speaker 1>for me? I don't necessarily think that is a sign

505
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:30.039
<v Speaker 1>of a healthy culture, but it is where we are.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's interesting to watch those kind of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, country club conservative types grapple with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and I, uh, I will say, just with

509
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<v Speaker 2>your last part there, I am a huge golfer, so

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00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:48.599
<v Speaker 2>I love I have nothing, but I understand the uh

511
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<v Speaker 2>the that that is just kind of a way to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about them. But I love the country club conservatives.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, I would say, actually, this might be

514
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<v Speaker 2>a little bit controversial, but country clubs are like one

515
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:09.160
<v Speaker 2>of the last places in America where you have a

516
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:13.319
<v Speaker 2>selective process of who gets to come in. That's like

517
00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:17.359
<v Speaker 2>almost lost everywhere else. So you know, it doesn't have

518
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:21.400
<v Speaker 2>like diversity quotas at you like, your local country club

519
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.440
<v Speaker 2>is not like you have to let in like a

520
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:25.759
<v Speaker 2>certain amount of like X number of people every year.

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00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:27.599
<v Speaker 2>It's like no, you can actually just like let in

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<v Speaker 2>some like respectable members of the community or people who

523
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>are willing to pay their way in and show off

524
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<v Speaker 2>good behavior and whatever else. I understand. I didn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>to take that much issue with that, I understand. I

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00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:43.839
<v Speaker 2>just I wrote an article specifically about this, so I

527
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<v Speaker 2>wanted to kind of get a shameless plug in there.

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<v Speaker 2>But but no, you're right that the main question that

529
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<v Speaker 2>we're kind of getting at is what do I receive

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<v Speaker 2>in return for my loyalty to the Republican Party, And

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00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:07.880
<v Speaker 2>it's a lot less than what Democrats get. Now, I think,

532
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:11.119
<v Speaker 2>like you said, Trump kind of has broken that open

533
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>a little bit because he's one of the few people

534
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:19.079
<v Speaker 2>like he's like, hey, drink COVID. Let's like send out

535
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.640
<v Speaker 2>like one time stimulus. Let's just as like give people

536
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.240
<v Speaker 2>money and say, like, you know, you get your check,

537
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:26.759
<v Speaker 2>and then it says from President Donald J. Trump, you

538
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:29.480
<v Speaker 2>know that's a that's a form of patronage that like

539
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:33.359
<v Speaker 2>the Republicans are would typically not usually be on board with.

540
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Same with what he's talking about with Obamacare and healthcare,

541
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:38.880
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I want the money to go directly to

542
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.119
<v Speaker 2>the people. This is like a very populous thing, right,

543
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:46.559
<v Speaker 2>This is like kind of what separates him from some

544
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:49.640
<v Speaker 2>of the other Republicans, where he's like, I am willing

545
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:53.720
<v Speaker 2>to give you something in return, even if if even

546
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:57.519
<v Speaker 2>if it's just a small, like monetary stipend. He's like,

547
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:00.519
<v Speaker 2>here is what you get. You vote for me, you

548
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:05.319
<v Speaker 2>get X number of dollars. You'll get these Trump savings accounts.

549
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:06.279
<v Speaker 2>That's another big thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I have.

551
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:11.960
<v Speaker 2>A son on the way, my wife's our first son.

552
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.799
<v Speaker 2>My wife's do it in February, and I now have

553
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:19.880
<v Speaker 2>access to this like government program where my child is born,

554
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:25.000
<v Speaker 2>I get a thousand The Treasury Department will deposit one

555
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:29.400
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars into a savings account for my retirement account

556
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:32.119
<v Speaker 2>for my son. And that's like, you know, that's not

557
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:37.319
<v Speaker 2>necessarily like a traditional Republican thing, but as like someone

558
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:42.440
<v Speaker 2>who you know understands you need to get you know,

559
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>as much ahead as you can before you enter the workforce.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good thing. You know, I'll be able to

561
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.240
<v Speaker 2>sign my kid up for that. It's like that that's

562
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:55.240
<v Speaker 2>a form of patronage, right, And so I think Trump

563
00:33:55.400 --> 00:34:00.039
<v Speaker 2>is somewhat changing this this mindset, like but again and

564
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<v Speaker 2>it's still woefully, woefully short of what the Democrats get

565
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:07.759
<v Speaker 2>for their loyalty.

566
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:07.960
<v Speaker 1>You know.

567
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:10.480
<v Speaker 2>It's literally like, if you go vote Democrat, we pay you.

568
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.440
<v Speaker 2>And it's it's also tough to This is part of

569
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:18.480
<v Speaker 2>the issue with patronage too, is because the Democrats are

570
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:23.079
<v Speaker 2>always going to promise more and and so I think

571
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:25.119
<v Speaker 2>we have to be like practical in the way we

572
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:29.800
<v Speaker 2>do it. But even just offering like hey, you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to have basic security would go a long way. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you'll have safe streets in America. You can

575
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<v Speaker 2>walk in a city and not have to be worried

576
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:45.400
<v Speaker 2>about getting stabbed or your murderer being let off because

577
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.119
<v Speaker 2>you used a racial slur after you got literally stabbed.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like there there are some forms of this

580
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<v Speaker 2>that could be just so simple. And you know, I

581
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:01.280
<v Speaker 2>think Trump's trying to He's trying to do that too,

582
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.559
<v Speaker 2>but you can only do so much. Like you know,

583
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:07.559
<v Speaker 2>he's trying to send some of the National Guard to

584
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.400
<v Speaker 2>the cities and whatever else. I think all the cities

585
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:16.440
<v Speaker 2>probably need that, but that's probably another discussion. But he's

586
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<v Speaker 2>I think he is changing it for the better. I

587
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<v Speaker 2>just it's going to be interesting to see where this goes,

588
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.719
<v Speaker 2>because it does seem like there's a coordinated effort to

589
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:32.280
<v Speaker 2>reinstall the kind of politics where you tell Republicans like

590
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:35.400
<v Speaker 2>the slow burn that you're talking about, like you're going

591
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:38.719
<v Speaker 2>to lose your society, but we'll do it a little

592
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:42.920
<v Speaker 2>bit slower. And I think I think that mindset is

593
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<v Speaker 2>hopefully changing. It's certainly changed among a lot of young people,

594
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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I think that that's that's what's incredibly frustrating.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mentioned it with win some Earl series, but

597
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:57.440
<v Speaker 1>we're seeing it currently with the Indian diaspora, which is

598
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the way that conservatives and will bend over backwards to

599
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 1>try and appeal for groups which vote against the met

600
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:09.679
<v Speaker 1>dramatic rate. So for instance, Uh, you know, Rod Dreyer

601
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<v Speaker 1>had a piece out a while ago. What I heard

602
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<v Speaker 1>in d C Uh it was also not very good. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny. It's funny, Logan, you're sort of getting the

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<v Speaker 1>citations for every article I've written in the last three months,

605
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:28.159
<v Speaker 1>but you know six of my brain the where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he he's quoting this unnamed you know, uh, Republican staffer

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<v Speaker 1>right as we were assured a young person of color.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you can figure it out. Uh, But basically this

609
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<v Speaker 1>kid is saying. He's like, oh, well, like, you know,

610
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<v Speaker 1>the problem with these you know, new you know, radical

611
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:48.639
<v Speaker 1>right wingers is that they're you know, they're abandoning you know,

612
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<v Speaker 1>these these you know outreaches to you know, groups like

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<v Speaker 1>the Indian diaspora, who he describes as you know, natural conservatives.

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<v Speaker 1>And he says, don't you know in the last election,

615
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:02.760
<v Speaker 1>almost forty percent of them voted for Trump. So we've

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<v Speaker 1>got to keep doing that. We've got to keep appealing

617
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<v Speaker 1>to them, to keep bringing more of them. And look, man,

618
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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a quant but uh is not more than half.

619
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.400
<v Speaker 1>It's actually a little bit less. So that is a

620
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.079
<v Speaker 1>losing game, especially because again talking about things we've done

621
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<v Speaker 1>over and over and over again, this idea of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the soo so called you know, quote unquote natural conservative

623
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:28.000
<v Speaker 1>often just deployed by group Bro.

624
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I promise this time they're gonna they're gonna help us.

625
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<v Speaker 2>I swear yes.

626
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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, look like, certainly, you know Hispanics, especially

627
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.199
<v Speaker 1>if they've sort of you know, been around longer, have

628
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:43.719
<v Speaker 1>moved towards the center. But still it's not the majority

629
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:48.599
<v Speaker 1>dramatically so and so it's especially frustrating when it seems

630
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<v Speaker 1>as if you know, the conservative the right is is

631
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.639
<v Speaker 1>loathe to handout patronage when it is a group that

632
00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:58.239
<v Speaker 1>actually supports them, a group that actually votes for them.

633
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.719
<v Speaker 1>And you know, by large numbers, I think, next to

634
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Black Americans, white American evangelicals are the most monolithic voting group, right,

635
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:10.599
<v Speaker 1>the bull, the lone bull exactly. And so it's like, well, okay,

636
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:14.000
<v Speaker 1>like you seemingly can can throw money around, you can,

637
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, like Greg Abbott sort of wheel yourself into

638
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:19.719
<v Speaker 1>a dwale and you know you can do that for them,

639
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:24.239
<v Speaker 1>who again vote against you roughly you know, sixty forty

640
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:26.840
<v Speaker 1>seventy thirty depending on what sort of election it is,

641
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:31.360
<v Speaker 1>but still majority. But for your guys, right, the guys

642
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:35.480
<v Speaker 1>that put you there, that sort of effort is is absent.

643
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.559
<v Speaker 1>And I think that, you know, particularly as we sort

644
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:44.639
<v Speaker 1>of head towards a like majority minority society, absence some

645
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.039
<v Speaker 1>dramatic change. It's like the idea and you see this

646
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:50.320
<v Speaker 1>again echoed by many of the very very good conservatives,

647
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:52.559
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them actually who attack you guys over

648
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.199
<v Speaker 1>at the Blaze, you know, one Jimbo Lindsey as well

649
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:57.079
<v Speaker 1>as others, you know, it's this idea that oh, no,

650
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:00.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're the right is embracing identity politics just

651
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:03.920
<v Speaker 1>like the left. Isn't that horrible? They've gone woke? And

652
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:08.400
<v Speaker 1>the problem with that is, like, look, man, like everyone

653
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:12.960
<v Speaker 1>else is playing identity politics. And there are two solutions

654
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:15.760
<v Speaker 1>to that, which is one either you know, you say,

655
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:19.360
<v Speaker 1>all right, turn about his fair play, or h you

656
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:24.039
<v Speaker 1>remove identity from consideration in politics there is only one

657
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:26.280
<v Speaker 1>identity in the polity.

658
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Which, ironically, I am sure ironically it's also a lot

659
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:31.559
<v Speaker 2>easier to do that when you have a homogeneous country,

660
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:32.159
<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

661
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, And that's that's that's what I'm saying, right, either

662
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:36.199
<v Speaker 1>that or you create a homogeneous country. And I'm quite

663
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<v Speaker 1>sure that our former massage therapist friend and others are

664
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<v Speaker 1>not advocating for that right full total remigration. And so

665
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>to me, that's one of those other things where I

666
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.079
<v Speaker 1>almost view that as sort of an inevitable kind of

667
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.239
<v Speaker 1>the physics of politics like that, that it's sort of

668
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.440
<v Speaker 1>a you know, like a social technology, right, like once

669
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:58.760
<v Speaker 1>some person discovers it becomes the new way you play.

670
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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know if you ever I'm not a

671
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<v Speaker 1>huge gamer, but you know, I played a.

672
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<v Speaker 2>Lot of Uh, that's that's terrible.

673
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I played a lot of fighting games in

674
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:12.400
<v Speaker 1>high school and college, and there's sort of this power

675
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:14.320
<v Speaker 1>creep as for as long as a game is around,

676
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:16.320
<v Speaker 1>right where like when it first comes out, you play

677
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:18.400
<v Speaker 1>it like how you're supposed to play it, and then

678
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:22.639
<v Speaker 1>people very quickly discover exploits, Like in the the Super

679
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Smash Brothers series, there's this mechanism called wave dashing where

680
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:27.519
<v Speaker 1>you can kind of like you know, mess with the

681
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<v Speaker 1>buttons and shoot across the screen. And then once that's discovered,

682
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:34.800
<v Speaker 1>once that's discovered, that's just how you play. And if

683
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 1>you don't play that way, you were going to lose forever.

684
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:40.800
<v Speaker 1>And so look, identity politics isn't quite the same because

685
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:43.800
<v Speaker 1>that's just how politics works. But ultimately, this kind of

686
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:46.800
<v Speaker 1>like nakedly racialized politics, like it was an effective tool.

687
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:50.239
<v Speaker 1>One party figured it out, and the two options were

688
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:54.199
<v Speaker 1>either stop existing as a political force, which is just

689
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:57.840
<v Speaker 1>not how it happens, uh, or revolve. And so so

690
00:40:57.960 --> 00:40:59.559
<v Speaker 1>many of these people who I see is kind of

691
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:01.920
<v Speaker 1>like sticks in the MUDs, you know, whining about like

692
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:05.280
<v Speaker 1>the you know, the resurgence of like quote unquote identity politics.

693
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:06.840
<v Speaker 1>It's like, well, if you didn't want that to happen,

694
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:09.000
<v Speaker 1>there was a time and place for that to be

695
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:12.079
<v Speaker 1>headed off at the past. It's well and truly past that.

696
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:14.639
<v Speaker 1>It is sort of the the nature of the beast.

697
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<v Speaker 1>And I am kind of curious how long the National

698
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Review set will hold on because genuinely, I do not

699
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>know who their audience is. It doesn't seem to be liberals.

700
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:26.679
<v Speaker 1>They don't seem to like them. Their own base I

701
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:29.039
<v Speaker 1>think at this point has fully and totally discarded them.

702
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:31.480
<v Speaker 1>So is it just that, like there's a bunch of

703
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:33.760
<v Speaker 1>money sitting in the trust account, they keep getting their

704
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:37.119
<v Speaker 1>paychecks paid in the audio and the newspapers read by nobody.

705
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:38.639
<v Speaker 1>Is that just the answer? Yeah?

706
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:40.599
<v Speaker 2>I think that's part of the issue, is like we

707
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:46.760
<v Speaker 2>have and you will like understand we the Republican Party

708
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:51.440
<v Speaker 2>does have patronage, but it's for people who exist to

709
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.760
<v Speaker 2>not represent Republican voters. That's the that's like the issue, right,

710
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Like this is part of the problem is that you

711
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:03.239
<v Speaker 2>have think tanks. I lived and worked in DC for

712
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:07.639
<v Speaker 2>like probably like three three and a half years when

713
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:12.320
<v Speaker 2>I was young, and it's you know, it's a great experience.

714
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:17.039
<v Speaker 2>It's good for young people, but for me, it created

715
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:22.079
<v Speaker 2>this just huge disillusionment because you meet people and you're like,

716
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:25.760
<v Speaker 2>what is your job? You know, like that's just kind

717
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:28.320
<v Speaker 2>of a small talk at like a you know, at

718
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:32.880
<v Speaker 2>cocktail hour or whatever, and you talk with them and

719
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:36.639
<v Speaker 2>they're number one. They don't really have any beliefs. It's

720
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:41.199
<v Speaker 2>like they don't they don't have any Like it's like, oh, yeah,

721
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:44.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm like from like Maryland or Virginia or whatever. They

722
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:48.679
<v Speaker 2>don't really have a lot of beliefs. And then also

723
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:53.320
<v Speaker 2>a ton of them are just like not from they

724
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:56.800
<v Speaker 2>don't have that love for Red America that a lot

725
00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:01.280
<v Speaker 2>of like they view their their role as being what

726
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:06.079
<v Speaker 2>is acceptable within the liberal order. Right, they kind of

727
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:09.639
<v Speaker 2>know that they're there too, Oh well, well you know,

728
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:13.320
<v Speaker 2>we're here for the mid terms, or we're here to

729
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.639
<v Speaker 2>like be a consultant for this, like for winsome Seers,

730
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:22.440
<v Speaker 2>or like for this this conservative Somalian in Minnesota, right,

731
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:27.639
<v Speaker 2>And it's like they operate they're so kind of captured

732
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:31.519
<v Speaker 2>by the system. It's like, well, what about like the

733
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:34.760
<v Speaker 2>guy in West Virginia who like it lives in like

734
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:40.280
<v Speaker 2>rural nowhere West Virginia and like he thinks you're representing him.

735
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:43.519
<v Speaker 2>Here are you representing his? Like does he have any

736
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>representation in Washington, DC? I don't think so. But this

737
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:51.199
<v Speaker 2>is sort of the issue. And and when you're talking

738
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:57.079
<v Speaker 2>about it, like the identity politics thing with mass democracy,

739
00:43:57.320 --> 00:43:59.800
<v Speaker 2>like it is a numbers game. And if you start

740
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:04.960
<v Speaker 2>doing this like mass democracy plus mass immigration, and you

741
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.920
<v Speaker 2>think that you're not going to get identity politics, that's

742
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:12.519
<v Speaker 2>like you are. That's more absurd than like, you know,

743
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:15.199
<v Speaker 2>people who believe in Bigfoot are less like and I,

744
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:17.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, I believe in Bigfoot. But aside the point

745
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:19.239
<v Speaker 2>people who believe in Bigfoot.

746
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:26.519
<v Speaker 1>My favorite Republican Republican ever, Denver Riggleman, bigfoot believer. But

747
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:29.039
<v Speaker 1>no point is you're you're one hundred percent correct because

748
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:30.840
<v Speaker 1>like look like you know, much like a fighting game

749
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:34.440
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, it's a system and ultimately you're playing within

750
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:39.320
<v Speaker 1>certain constraints and systems will be optimized. And so as

751
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:43.199
<v Speaker 1>you've said, if you combine mass migration and mass democracy,

752
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.159
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, you've got a win button and

753
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:48.239
<v Speaker 1>you can just keep pressing that button forever, especially if

754
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:51.960
<v Speaker 1>you have what and sorry for you know, tarnishing you

755
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:56.960
<v Speaker 1>by using poor language, but the retardedest idea ever birthright citizenship,

756
00:44:57.760 --> 00:44:59.519
<v Speaker 1>and so you combine that and it's like, oh, well,

757
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:03.440
<v Speaker 1>you can just literally invite everyone here, wait for someone

758
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:06.599
<v Speaker 1>to get pregnant, and bam, you have a new patron.

759
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:10.360
<v Speaker 1>You're rather yeah, just as American as anyone else, as

760
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Ben Shapiro actually today has has told me that, you know,

761
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:15.639
<v Speaker 1>it's all.

762
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I keep going, no, no, finish that thought.

763
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:18.519
<v Speaker 1>Now.

764
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<v Speaker 2>The vakroate a piece today in the New York Times

765
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:23.920
<v Speaker 2>too that said, what is an American? It says anyone

766
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:27.039
<v Speaker 2>who believes in the creed and anyone who does it

767
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.079
<v Speaker 2>the right way and gets citizenship is just as American

768
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:30.920
<v Speaker 2>as a mayflower.

769
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.440
<v Speaker 1>To send it, I feel like there's some motivated reasoning

770
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:41.719
<v Speaker 1>for our young biotechnical founder. I'll leave it at that. Yeah,

771
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:45.480
<v Speaker 1>obviously it's it's completely totally disingenuous, and I think that

772
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that is you know, really, I think that sort of

773
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<v Speaker 1>one of the start questions, and this has been going

774
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.719
<v Speaker 1>around really for a lot this year, which is like, Okay,

775
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:57.199
<v Speaker 1>who is an American matters? But also what is the

776
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:00.400
<v Speaker 1>purpose of America as a country? Like what you doing

777
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.400
<v Speaker 1>here because you have wildly different takes and it's like, well,

778
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, I have a relatively constrained vision of that

779
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.280
<v Speaker 1>which I think is a home for Americans to them

780
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:14.760
<v Speaker 1>to live. You know, I don't know, crucify me, I guess,

781
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.599
<v Speaker 1>but like generally it actually is when you compare it

782
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:21.719
<v Speaker 1>to ideas even from the nominal conservative movement, as you

783
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:25.199
<v Speaker 1>mentioned with Favek, right, if America is simply something that

784
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:27.480
<v Speaker 1>you can repeat to yourself three times in the mirror

785
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:31.199
<v Speaker 1>and then you're American, it's like, well, okay, like one,

786
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:33.599
<v Speaker 1>well can't they just do that over there and be

787
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:36.920
<v Speaker 1>just as American? And surely that's the secret formula to

788
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:39.199
<v Speaker 1>making whatever that place is nice? You know, they just

789
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:40.639
<v Speaker 1>become Americans. Oh great, awesome.

790
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:42.599
<v Speaker 2>It's if it's an idea, why can't they do it

791
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:43.599
<v Speaker 2>anywhere else?

792
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:46.679
<v Speaker 1>And we know why, we know exactly why, because that

793
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:48.960
<v Speaker 1>is a tactical move right, that is to get you

794
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:51.800
<v Speaker 1>to you know, let your let your arm, your guard

795
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:56.239
<v Speaker 1>down so they can do what they wanted to. And again,

796
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:58.519
<v Speaker 1>like that's why I think again it's so funny to

797
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:02.199
<v Speaker 1>watch the kind of like like of the you know,

798
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the good conservatives, you know, people who are maybe involved

799
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:10.039
<v Speaker 1>in IDW or whatever, because that idea of the propositional nation.

800
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:15.440
<v Speaker 1>It's really the only people who sincerely believed it were

801
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:19.760
<v Speaker 1>American conservatives acting as sort of Charlie Brown running up

802
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.679
<v Speaker 1>to the football again and again and again. And you

803
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.000
<v Speaker 1>have a you know, a small splinter group basical saying like, hey, man,

804
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:28.559
<v Speaker 1>look like we've fallen flat on our back like thirty times.

805
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.199
<v Speaker 1>I think it might happen again. Yeah, And you have

806
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Charlie Brown kind of looking up from his back be like, no,

807
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:36.599
<v Speaker 1>this time, it'll work, guys. And it's like it's funny

808
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:39.440
<v Speaker 1>to be because darkly right. Obviously it's sort of a

809
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:42.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, a depressing thing, but it's like, genuinely the

810
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.599
<v Speaker 1>only people who actually believe those sort of liberal promites

811
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:51.159
<v Speaker 1>are like deeply unfashionable conservatives. The progressive left obviously doesn't

812
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:53.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, they say that just to do what they want,

813
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:56.360
<v Speaker 1>but they know it's not true. And it's sort of

814
00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:58.440
<v Speaker 1>like the one person in the world who still believes

815
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:00.960
<v Speaker 1>in Santa Claus, but he's like thirty and you're like, guys,

816
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:04.039
<v Speaker 1>come on, like, sorry, I guess it's good. I should

817
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.079
<v Speaker 1>be bad talking Sanna. I feel like I shouldn't. But

818
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:08.039
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, if you're eight years old.

819
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:10.000
<v Speaker 2>This BLUs to Christmas, it's not good.

820
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have teptic faith, but you know what I mean, right,

821
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.039
<v Speaker 1>someone who is held on to it an obviously absurd

822
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.199
<v Speaker 1>belief well past that point. And in the case of

823
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Shapiro and Viveck, there's some motivated reasoning there. We I

824
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.039
<v Speaker 1>we can assume that they know what they're doing. But again,

825
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:27.440
<v Speaker 1>it is incredibly irritating to see these sort of like

826
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<v Speaker 1>political myths like well past their cell by date still

827
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<v Speaker 1>trotted out again and again with the idea that this

828
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<v Speaker 1>is the secret formula to winning well.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, the the reason that this is still

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<v Speaker 2>popular is because so many of our people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is good at this, like and he has done

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to advance this, but so many people that

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<v Speaker 2>are nominally on our side are just afraid to say, like,

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<v Speaker 2>America is a nation. We have people that built this nation.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been around here, they have their own way of life.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been around here for three hundred plus years. They

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<v Speaker 2>have their own way of life, they have their own culture.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason that this is so because they are

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<v Speaker 2>so afraid of being accused of racism that they cannot say, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I prefer this like culture of like Evangelical Protestants to

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<v Speaker 2>like whatever they have going in Somalia. It's like this

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<v Speaker 2>is it's actually pretty easy to say that, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>so afraid to like stand up for their own people.

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<v Speaker 1>This is.

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<v Speaker 2>It reminds me of the I'm sure you've seen The Incredibles,

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<v Speaker 2>the Disney movie, but the the the villain in that

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<v Speaker 2>movie he says, well, whenever he's like trying to give

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<v Speaker 2>power to everyone, he says, when everyone's super, no one is.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's kind of what's happening here. Like if everyone

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<v Speaker 2>and anyone from anywhere in the world is just as

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<v Speaker 2>American as like the sons and daughter of the American Revolution,

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<v Speaker 2>then you've brought the definition down to such a point

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<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't mean anything anymore, right, And it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can't quickly I think this is a stupid

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<v Speaker 2>idea that's also like being repudiated, and nobody really believes

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<v Speaker 2>anymore except for kind of those idw types and foreigners.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is one of those things where it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that it's still around that people that are

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be on our side are still saying it

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<v Speaker 2>is absurd. The other thing I think that you're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of tapping into and getting at is that America is

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be a home for Americans. Well, what you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know our friend Orin talks about this a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>But we are supposed to be a home for Americans

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<v Speaker 2>and we're supposed to be a sovereign nation. But this

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of impossible if we are running an empire,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what we are doing. You know, we have

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<v Speaker 2>I saw something today like Trump is meeting with the fallen,

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<v Speaker 2>like fallen troops in Syria, like American troops in Syria.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, why do we why do we have troops

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<v Speaker 2>in Syria? Are we the World police or what? Like

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on there? I have my gripes about that too.

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<v Speaker 2>But then like the same thing with Gaza, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, oh they have like they have this certain

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<v Speaker 2>amount of American hostages. It's like if they're American hostages,

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<v Speaker 2>did they pluck them from our soil? Like did did

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<v Speaker 2>the Goazains come over here and like pluck them from

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<v Speaker 2>like Ohio or something? Like why are they why are

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<v Speaker 2>they all the way over there? If they're American hostages.

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<v Speaker 2>This is part of the issue is we have diluted

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<v Speaker 2>the definition so much that people are starting to ask.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is one of the things that Charlie said too,

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<v Speaker 2>like a couple months before he died, he said, like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna have to figure out, like, what is the

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00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:06.079
<v Speaker 2>answer to this question? What is an American? And I

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00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.280
<v Speaker 2>sadly I don't think, you know, the Democrats have an answer.

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00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Their answer is anyone from anywhere in the world. The

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00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:18.360
<v Speaker 2>rest of the world is just potential undocumented Americans. And

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00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:21.960
<v Speaker 2>the conservatives, you know, the ones who say it's an idea,

890
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:25.480
<v Speaker 2>tend to agree with that. But the ones who don't

891
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:30.320
<v Speaker 2>are starting to ask, like, Okay, are these like Somalians

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00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:33.079
<v Speaker 2>in Minnesota, these ilhan Omar they come in, they clearly

893
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 2>hate our country. They're just scamming the welfare system. They don't,

894
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.920
<v Speaker 2>They're just here. They see it as an economic zone.

895
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<v Speaker 2>They see it as a way to increase the power

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<v Speaker 2>of their co ethnics at expense of the actual Americans

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<v Speaker 2>in Minnesota. Are they they have papers, they've got paperwork,

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<v Speaker 2>they have citizenship. Are they as American as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>someone who's been in Minnesota for two hundred years their family.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>are starting to reject that. But that is kind of

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00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:08.719
<v Speaker 2>the question, and uh, we're gonna have to look upon, uh,

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00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:14.400
<v Speaker 2>some some ancient wisdom, I think to figure it out. Well, certainly.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's sort of another you know, interesting sort of

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<v Speaker 1>battle waged earlier in the year is over the term

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<v Speaker 1>you know, who is an American and you know, paperwork American?

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<v Speaker 1>And I've been reliably informed that that is a phrase,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the paper work American, uh, taken from a

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<v Speaker 1>prominent Austrian painter's book. And that's the only reason anyone

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00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:36.440
<v Speaker 1>cares about it is because they're you know, they're secretly uh,

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00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:40.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, big fans of that guy. Yeah, which is

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00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:45.320
<v Speaker 1>of course a disingenuous barb. But nonetheless, right, that is

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<v Speaker 1>a very important question because how do you run a

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<v Speaker 1>society when it is very difficult to determine who actually

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<v Speaker 1>makes it up?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

917
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:58.679
<v Speaker 1>Like who is under your jurisdiction? Who is your guy?

918
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<v Speaker 1>Who do you have to from who?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:04.760
<v Speaker 1>And if you can't answer that again, it's like, well, okay,

921
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.880
<v Speaker 1>like is this even really a country anymore? Or is

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<v Speaker 1>it just sort of a strip mall with nukes, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want that to be the case. I like

924
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:16.360
<v Speaker 1>living in a place I don't have anywhere else to go,

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00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:19.599
<v Speaker 1>and I see other peoples who have that. I see

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<v Speaker 1>you know, situations where our government is you know, expending

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<v Speaker 1>their their lives and their treasure to ensure that privilege

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<v Speaker 1>for others. And so I think it's reasonable to say, well, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I pay my taxes, I live here, Like should I

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<v Speaker 1>not get the same level of deference you offered to

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<v Speaker 1>foreign nations? That seems to me to be sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a baseline. And again I think that is why, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>far from you know, simply being algorithms, that so many people,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly young people, are are sort of upset, even if

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<v Speaker 1>it's not expressed as cleanly as that, but it's this

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<v Speaker 1>feeling of dispossession of like, well, like, well, what's mine?

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<v Speaker 1>What can I give myself too? Because you know, there

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<v Speaker 1>are very few ways to index with the system, and

939
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<v Speaker 1>when that system, as it were, is telling you, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you are this sort of fount of evil. You know,

941
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<v Speaker 1>you are the reason for all of these problems and

942
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:14.800
<v Speaker 1>nothing is yours. Your one acceptable role is to at best,

943
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<v Speaker 1>you know, either trun out or kill someone and you're like, well,

944
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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't seem like a good deal. I would like

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<v Speaker 1>a different one. Like that is why you are seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the rise of you know, radical politics among young people

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<v Speaker 1>because and I put every one of those words in

948
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<v Speaker 1>scare quotes, but it's like you, ultimately, again, if politics

949
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:37.840
<v Speaker 1>is transactional, when you're giving people a particularly raw deal,

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<v Speaker 1>they are going to cast around for alternatives. We've seen

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<v Speaker 1>this on the international stage. Right countries at sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the fringes of the Empire are starting to look around

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<v Speaker 1>and saying like wait a minute, like let me click

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<v Speaker 1>up with China, like maybe with Russia they're offering us

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<v Speaker 1>a better deal, and like yeah, sure, the great game

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<v Speaker 1>on the international scale is on one level different. But also,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, politics is the science of human order, organization,

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<v Speaker 1>human nature is real, and the same incentives play out,

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately, largely the conservative movement has created this incentive.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when they're whining about it, like oh, why

961
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<v Speaker 1>can't we just go back to the good old days,

962
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<v Speaker 1>it's like, well, you your why, You're right, there are

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00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:19.039
<v Speaker 1>no longer those good old dates.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You were complicit, You went along with it, You wrote

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<v Speaker 1>articles where you referred to you know, drag Queen's Story

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<v Speaker 1>hour as the Blessings of Liberty, and then you wonder

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<v Speaker 1>why everyone's like, well, hey, you know, I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like that guy. I'm doing what he says anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, well, no shit, to be brutally honest. But Logan,

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<v Speaker 1>we're fast coming up on time. Man, it was great

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<v Speaker 1>to have you on. I'm glad that we finally did

973
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<v Speaker 1>it after some scheduling conflict. But dude, where can people

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<v Speaker 1>find you? Ah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, go follow me on X Logan Clark Hall on

976
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:51.639
<v Speaker 2>there and follow the Blaze.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure thing, man, highly I will drop both of those

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<v Speaker 1>links there. As far as my stuff, Jaburden Show, Apple, Spotify,

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00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:01.559
<v Speaker 1>YouTube to support me and this is what I do,

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<v Speaker 1>throw me a few bucks. Get the episodes early in

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<v Speaker 1>AD free. Check out my sponsor, Axios Remote Fitness Coaching. Logan.

982
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<v Speaker 1>It was great to have you on, man. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>everyone at home, keep your head up. I can't last forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Good night,