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your support. I promised I would play this like two

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hours ago, so let me play it now. This is

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Governor Spencer Cox of He's the governor of Utah. This

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was his comments at the end of the press conference

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earlier today.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get too preachy, but I think

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it's important that we, with eyes wide open, understand what's

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happening in our country today. I've heard I've heard people say,

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why are we so invested in this? There's violence happening

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all across our country, and violence is tragic everywhere, and

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every life taken is a child of God who deserves

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our love.

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Speaker 3: And respect and dignity.

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Speaker 2: This is certainly about the tragic death assassination political assassination

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of Charlie Kirk. But it is also much bigger than

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an attack on an individual. It is an attack on

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all of us. It is an attack on the American experiment.

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It is an attack on our ideals. This cuts to

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the very foundation of who we are, of who we

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have been, and who we could be in better times.

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Political violence is different than any other type of violence

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for lots of different reasons. One because in the very

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act that Charlie championed of expression, that freedom of expression

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that is enthrined in our founding documents, in having his

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life taken in that very act, makes it more difficult

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for people to feel like they can share their ideas,

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that they can speak freely. We will never be able

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to solve all the other problems, including the violence problems

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that people are worried about, if we can't have a

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clash of ideas safely and securely, even especially especially those

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ideas with which you disagree. That's why this matters so much.

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Over the last forty eight hours, I have been as

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angry as I have ever been, as sad as I

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have ever been, and it was as anger pushed me

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to the brink. It was actually Charlie's words that pulled

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me back I like to share some of those and

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specifically right now, if I could, I need to talk

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to the young people in our state, in my.

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Speaker 3: State, and all across the country.

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Speaker 2: As President Trump reminded me, he said, you know who

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really loved Charlie the youths.

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Speaker 3: And he's right.

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Speaker 2: Young people love Charlie, and young people hated Charlie. And

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Charlie went into those places anyway. And these are the

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words that have helped me. Charlie said, when people stop talking,

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that's when you get violence. He said that week can

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never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. The

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only way out of the lab of suffering is to forgive.

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Welcome without judgment, love without condition, forgive without limit. He said,

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always forgive your enemies. Nothing annoys them so much. A

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few months ago, I referenced this. Last night, Charlie posted

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to social media. When things are moving very fast and

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people are losing their minds, it's important to stay grounded,

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turn off your phone, read scripture, spend time with friends,

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and remember Internet fury is not real life.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be okay.

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Speaker 2: He again said, when you stop having a human connection

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with someone you disagree with, it becomes a lot easier

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to commit violence. He said, what we as a culture

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have to get back to is being able to have

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a reasonable agreement, being able to have reasonable agreement where

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violence is not an option. Now, again, to my young

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friends out there, you are inheriting a country where politics

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feels like rage, It feels like rage is the only option.

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But through those words, we have a reminder that we

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can choose a different path. Your generation has an opportunity

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to build a culture that is very different than what

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we are suffering through right now, not by pretending differences

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don't matter, but by embracing our differences and having those

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hard conversations. I think we need more and moral clarity

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right now. I hear all the time that words are violence,

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words are not violence. Violence is violence. And there is

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one person responsible for what happened here, and that person

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is now in custody and will be charged soon and

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will be held accountable. And yet all of us have

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an opportunity right now to do something different.

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Speaker 3: I want to thank my fellow Utah's you know this bad.

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Speaker 2: Stuff happens, And for thirty three hours I.

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Speaker 3: Was praying that.

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Speaker 2: If this had to happen here, that it wouldn't be

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one of us, that somebody drove from another state, somebody

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came from another country. Sadly, that prayer was not answered

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the way I had hoped for, just because I thought

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it would make it easier on us if we could

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just say, hey, we don't do that here. And indeed,

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Utah is a special place. We leave the nation in

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charitable giving, we leave the nation in service every year.

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But it did happen here, and it was.

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Speaker 3: One of us.

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Speaker 2: But I want you to look at how Utans reacted

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the last two nights. There was no rioting, there's no looting,

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there were no cars set on fire, there's no violence.

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There were there were visials and prayers and people coming

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together to share the humanity. And that, ladies and gentlemen,

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I believe is the answer to this. We can return

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violence with violence, we can return hate with hate. And

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that's the problem with political violence, is it metastasizes because

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we could always point the finger at the other side,

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and at some point we have to find an off

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ramp or it's going to get much much worse. But see,

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these are choices that we can make. History will dictate

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if this is a turning point for our country. But

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every single one of us gets to choose right now,

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if this is a turning point for us, we get

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to make decisions. We have our agency, and I desperately

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call on every American Republican, Democrat, liberal, progressive, conservative, maga,

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all of us to please, please, please.

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Speaker 3: Follow what Charlie taught me.

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Speaker 2: I'll I'll just conclude with uh with words I share

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often from a friend, an author you've all lived in,

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who was asked if he was optimistic about our country,

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and he said, I'm not optimistic. He said, I hate optimism. God,

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that sounds bad, but he said, he said, optimism is

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a vice. It's this idea that good things are just

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going to happen. And he said, in the history of

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the world, good things have never just happened. He says,

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I'm not optimistic, but I am hopeful. And hope is

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the virtue that sits between the vices of optimism and pessimism.

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Speaker 3: Hope is the idea.

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Speaker 2: That good things are going to happen because we can

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make them. So I still believe in our country, and

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I know Charlie Kirk believed in our country. I still

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believe that there is more good among us than evil.

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And I still believe that we can change the course

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of history. I'm hopeful because Americans can make it so.

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Speaker 1: That's Governor Spencer Cox from Utah, and I would submit

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meeting the moment well done.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: When I was a kid, my grandpa died with Alzheimer's,

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and before he died, my mom and my dad took

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care of him as he got worse. Forty years ago,

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there were no treatments and not much support for caregivers

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and family. But things are different today because of the

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work of so many people, including the Alzheimer's Association of

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Western Carolina. It's a great organization with awesome people with

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huge hearts. I've been a supporter for twenty five years.

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This cause means a lot to me. I participate in

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the annual Walk to End Alzheimer's and I'm leading a

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Charlotte team again this year and it's called once again

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Pete's Pack. You can sign up and you can join

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the team and walk with us. It's on October eighteenth

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that truest field. Sign up at alz dot org slash

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walk and then you can search for my team name

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Pete's Pack. There's also a link at the petepod dot com.

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There's also a link in the description of this podcast. Also,

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I'll be am seeing the Gastonia Walk on October eleventh,

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and so you can make a team and join that

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one too, or make a donation and help me hit

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my goal of five thousand dollars. If you do, I

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really appreciate. There are a bunch of other walks all

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over the Carolinas. You can go to alz dot org

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slash walk for all the dates and locations. We're closer

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than ever to stopping Alzheimer's. Can you help us get there?

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Will you walk with me? For a different future, for families,

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for more time for treatments. This is why we walk.

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You've heard me over the years. Reference and quote Jonathan

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Heit Hai Dt his last name. I think I'm mispronouncing that,

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but I don't know. And he went on to the

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Twitter machine earlier today and he said, we must repudiate

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the idea that speech is violence. This has always been

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a ridiculously absurd argument, or I shouldn't even say argument,

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because it's not. It's an assertion from leftists, and it

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started percolating several years ago and it is now sort

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of taken as an article of faith that this is true,

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and it is most certainly not true. Speech is not violence.

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You feeling offended at something I say is not violence

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against you. Right, you need better mental health coping skills.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: This is an affliction that is more pronounced among younger

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people because they have been told this by the ambassadors

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of our trusted institutions, that words are violence and somehow

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violence isn't violence, which I was happy to hear the

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Governor of Utah make this very point that words are

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not violence.

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Speaker 3: Violence is violence.

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Speaker 1: And this is what Jonathan Hate has been pointing to

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as well, and he says Greg Lukianov and I wrote

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about the dangers of promoting this idea on college campuses

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way back in twenty seventeen. Twenty seventeen, they were saying, guys,

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stop promoting this idea at college. And this is what

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they wrote in the Atlantic. The implication of this expansive

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use of the word violence is that we quote unquote

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we we are justified in punching and pepper spraying them,

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even if all they did was say words. We are

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just offending ourselves against their violence. But at this way

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of thinking leads to actual violence, and if that violence

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triggers counter violence, then where does that end in the

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country's polarized democracy. Telling young people that words are violence

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may in fact lead to a rise in real physical violence,

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which is true, which is what Charlie Kirk was fighting against.

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Words are not violence. But if words give you license

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to commit violence, and then your opponent and acts violence

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on you, then all you get is violence all the

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way down. Now, maybe that's the point when raising up

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an army of radicals to undermine and overthrow the cultural

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institutions in Western civilization. You need the shock troops. You

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need radicals, right, You need these street radicals to go

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out there to quote anti Maxine Waters, to get in

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their faces at the gasoline stations.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: See, like I again, like I have clarity. I've been

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covering the rise of these people in this movement for

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a long time, and the tactics change, the issue changes,

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but the goal is always the same. Revolution. It is

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to tear down the Western civilization by going after these

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institutions that make up its foundation. And that goes to

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the family, it goes to the churches, it goes to

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civic organizations.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: It is an attack on all fronts, and it has

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been going on for one hundred years. Free speech properly understood,

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is not violence. It is a cure for violence.

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Speaker 3: JK.

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Speaker 1: Rowling, who has been just an absolute warrior on the

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transgender issues, women's rights issues and such, but also as

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it relates to those issues, free speech, and she like

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she is uncancellable, which you know makes her very formidable

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because she is wealthy beyond you know, my wildest dreams. Right,

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she's made all this money. She's the author of the

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Harry Potter series. And when she saw what was happening

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in the UK with the rise of transgender politics and

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such and the insanity, and she began speaking out against it,

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trying to protect women's sports, women's locker rooms and changing

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rooms and bathrooms and such. And she's been savaged for

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it ever since. And here's what she said. If you

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believe free speech is for you but not your political opponents,

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you are illiberal. If no contrary evidence could change your beliefs,

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you're a fundamentalist. If you believe the state should punish

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those with contrary views, you're a totalitarian. And if you

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believe political opponents should be punished with violence or death,

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Speaker 1: Kudos to the Charlotte Observer for printing an op ed

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by David Mastio. I think he's out of Kansas City. Yeah,

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the Kansas City Star. He does a both sides ism

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thing here, but I'm going to just focus on the

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first part where he addresses this this notion, and here's

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the headline. Charlie Kirk died fighting the idea that words

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are violence. This idea and even somebody's presence, but words

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or their their their mere presence on your campus is

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somehow violence. This idea has spread from petty campus authoritarians

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out to censor those they disagree with, to the pages

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of the New York Times to the broader culture, where

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a twenty twenty four poll by the Foundation for Individual

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Rights and Expression or FIRE, found that four in five

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Americans agree at least slightly with the idea that words

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can be violence. The connection between speech and violence has

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grown even closer. A report today by FIRE found that

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twenty two percent of students at Texas A and M

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think that violence at least rarely can be justified to

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stop a speech. At UNC Chapel Hill, it's thirty eight percent.

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Thirty eight percent of students at UNC Chapel Hill think

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violence can be justified to stop a speech. Our democracy

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runs on speech. The kind I take part in, the

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kind Charlie Kirk took part in on campus before he

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was shot, The very kind that the Democratic governor of

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Pennsylvania took part in before his house was set on fire.

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The kind of Supreme Court justice performed when it would

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be assassin came to his home armed with a gun

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and knives without speech to resolve odd differences. There is

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only violence. Think long and hard about the society you

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want to live in. All right, you hear me talk

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a lot about incentives, Right, Well, let's talk about incentive trips,

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the kind that companies offer employees to fire them up

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and reward their teams. If you own a business or

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good for you. But also there is a custom app

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that's a game changer for these trips. It's called incentive

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Speaker 3: So think about it.

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Speaker 1: When you launch next year's incentive trip campaign, that video

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becomes your greatest motivator. Talk about a return on investment. Right,

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Visit incentive tripkit dot com because great trips deserve even

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better returns. Little segment we like to call pregame in

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with Brett Grennable break Grennables in studio coincidentally enough, how.

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Speaker 3: Are you, sir?

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Speaker 2: Great?

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Speaker 3: How are you? I'm doing okay?

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Speaker 1: It's been a heavy week, you know, very heavy heavy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I can I just compliment you on something right

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out of the box.

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Speaker 1: Always, Yes, you did a great job yesterday over at

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over at what He's you had a lot of incoming, man,

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Oh yeah, lots of it. And uh but I I

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wanted and I get people and you know today I

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don't matter. I get people who send me emails and messages.

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Why do you let them on the show? Why are

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you talking to this you know, crazy lefty person whatever.

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But like I have always put them at the front

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of the line. You have to, right, because I get

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more clarity, and I think other people it's like what

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Dennis Prager says, Like I, you know, I seek understanding,

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not agreement, right, And if people if people go into

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any kind of a discussion or debate, I think with

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that mindset, you're looking for clarity, understanding, right, not agreement.

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You don't have to agree with me, And and that's

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why I bring them on. That's why I want them on.

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And uh yeah, because I was. I was on there

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with CaCO day in the mornings up in Raleigh. In Greensboro,

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I do a live hit with him on Friday mornings

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and I asked him, Hey, did you get any calls

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yesterday from lefties?

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Speaker 3: And he said no? And I said, oh, I said,

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I had like four or five. I mean it was everyone.

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And he was like, oh, I'm so jealous.

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Speaker 1: Can you got to be like a doctor and be like,

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can I refer you to to my friend he'd like

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to talk to me, right, Yeah, And that's the thing,

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like and you, I mean, you actually take way more

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calls than I do. But you know, it's it's clarifying.

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Speaker 3: That's why.

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Speaker 1: That's why I do it. And I want to know

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what their arguments are, and more importantly, I want the

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audience to hear these arguments the way they're presented. So

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this way, if you're in a debate, yes, with family, friends, wherever,

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and you hear this argument, yep, you will now be

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able to argue against what you've just heard and it's

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not going to surprise you in the debate. That's exactly right, right,

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that's great. So it's really it's a it's a public service. Really,

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I wonder if I can get some us ai D

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money for the the public worse.

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Speaker 3: Hold on, let me call Doje nice.

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Speaker 1: All right, So I want to I did not get

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to this and we only have like two minutes here,

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but yeah, so I want to.

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Speaker 3: I want to get to this.

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Speaker 1: You heard the soundbites from our mayor yesterday, I'm sure

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during the newscasts.

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 1: And she says in this interview with WBTV about the

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her response to the light rail murder, and she said,

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I admit that, you know, the good thing about it

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is not a good thing about the murder, but about

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how they're going to work on transparency and communication. She

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admits she fumbled the initial responses and all that, which

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is true, but she says the good thing is being

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able to be in a city where you can say

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I made a mistake and people say that's okay.

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Speaker 3: TSF TSF system failed.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, this is the fail right. So now, I

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don't know, I cannot speak for everybody in the city,

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but I have not heard anybody saying, yeah, oh it's okay.

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Speaker 3: Nobody that is zero, I mean nothing nobody, right.

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Speaker 1: I guess she's I guess she's counting the fact that

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she won her Democrat primary in like an eight percent turnout,

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right and saying, well, that's proof that everybody said, oh,

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you completely bricked the.

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Speaker 3: Response to this murder.

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Speaker 1: You've now garnered national attention to the city because of it,

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and you think that you clearing the Democrat primary means

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that everyone's like, you made a mistake.

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Speaker 3: But it's okay. Yeah, No, it's terrible. No, it's not okay.

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't think so either.

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Speaker 3: It's really bad.

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Speaker 1: We also saw have you seen this? The state auditor

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released the probe into the the payoff to the police chief.

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Speaker 3: Which day of the week is is?

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Speaker 1: I feel like we need one of those boards, like

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it's been this many days since a scandal and the.

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Speaker 3: City correct they're stacking up. I mean, let's let's be

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on it.

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Speaker 1: It is being stacked up in a in an inappropriate way.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: That'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much

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