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or calm on an unidentified flying object.
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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I hope you're
all having a good week and getting into the Christmas spirit.
I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast.
Our guest tonight is Mike, coming to us from the
Mississippi Gulf Coast and back in the fall of nineteen
eighty eight, Michael was camping and fishing with his friend
and brother when he witnessed a UFO in a field.
And when Michael got back to camp and explained to
them both for what he had just witnessed, another UFO
comes along hovering over the lake. Michael is up next,
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Now on with the show. Hello, Michael, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hey, how are you doing there.
Speaker 3: I'm doing pretty good. Great to have you with us today.
And you're calling from Mississippi right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Mississippi Gulf.
Speaker 3: Coast, right down there in the south.
Speaker 1: As far south as you can get unless you go
to Florida.
Speaker 3: Good stuff. Okay, Now, Michael, you have some experiences you're
going to be shared of us. Would you like to
start at a beginning place.
Speaker 1: Sir, Yeah, yeah, I'll do that. So growing up, I was,
I guess, probably attracted to a lot of the subjects
that would you be considered paranormal, But aliens in UFOs
was actually not one of those subjects. I don't know why.
It's actually kind of cool when you look into it,
but yeah, that's not one of the things I was
ever interested in. But that changed when I was And
actually I have to say, this is November twenty second,
This is I was fifteen years old. That was thirty
five years ago. It happened actually nearly thirty five years ago.
My birthday is on the tenth of November, and the
incident that I'm talking about actually happened on the eleventh
of November of nineteen eighty eight. My friend and my brother,
with my best friend and my brother, we were going
to go camping and go fishing, and we were going
to go and set up camp and have everything ready
so that we could wake up early. And you know,
we were camping next to a lake. Now the place
that I lived, now, this happened in Sheppard, Texas, and
the place that I lived it was called Lake Choctaw,
and Lake Chalktaw has a history of its almost akin
to I would almost say Skinwalker Ranch in a sense,
but not exactly. We weren't experiencing like you know, like
the giant wolves and things like that. No, but there
were a lot of things that did happen out there
that were odd. For example, one thing, there was an
old man who did have a cabin next to that lake,
and when I talked to him, he used to tell me.
I asked him like, what would he do there? Because
I just thought at the time, you know, I'm just
a kid, and I'm thinking, why are you just sitting
out here drinking beer staring at the lake. And That's
actually what I asked him. And he told me, I
like watching the ball lightning, and he told me about
the different colored ball lightning. And I thought the man
was crazy. Well, again, we were going to go camping
and we get everything there and I realized that the
clock that we brought it didn't have the battery had
fallen out of it, and so we didn't have a
We weren't able to actually along. We didn't know what
time it was. So I decided that I'm going to
go back home, and it's almost getting dark, and so
they were going to stay there, my brother and my
best friend, they were going to stay there where we
were going to camp while I went back home, and
I was just going to kind of jog because you know,
I'm by myself. I didn't really want to be out
there in the dark either, and it was dark now.
The road that that we would go down, it's like
a it's like a circular road that would go around
the entire place. We just called it the lease. It
was a lease, and there was a circle that went
all the way around, and then there was another one
that would go right through the middle of it that
kind of cut that circle in half. I'm following the
circle back around. And where I lived was if you
came in as you're coming in off the main like
you're coming in off the main road, you're coming into
the lease, there was a gate and then once you
get inside of that gate, you know, you would just
go down a little waves and on the left we
lived there, and it was where it was almost like
driving into a tunnel of trees, because it was it
was a canopy of trees over our home and on
both sides of the street now, but before you got there,
on the right hand side, there was a field and
the field was worked by a man named Schrader, mister Strader,
and we knew him as kids. He would always tell us,
you know, take you know, keep an eye on the
field for me. And so we would see him when
he would be out there, and there were a few
times that he was out there late. And when he
was out there late, you would see his tractor and
that big tractor would have these lights on it. But
whenever I came down the road, is I'm coming back
to go home to you know, get the batteries and
you know, work through the clock. As of coming back
on the right hand side, almost the very back of
the field, there's a light there. I thought it was,
you know, the light of the tractor, but then I thought, well,
there's just one light and his tractor had two lights
on the top. And so as I'm seeing this light,
I start to walk slow, and I'd say I was running.
I was kind of jogging trying to get home quickly.
But when I saw that light, I stopped and I'm
just walking real slowly watching this light. And as I
get up to the fence of that field, I look
to the right to see was mister Strader's truck there
or you know, did I see anything with a gate
open for that field whether it wasn't. And as I'm
looking and I noticed, like I said, that he's not there,
and I'm trying to understand what is this light? And
as the light just just starts to lift up and
it gives him about tree level and it just starts
coming toward toward me. But as I said, it was
on the back right hand side of the field, and
it starts coming toward the middle of the field and
forward and to the center of the field, and I
don't know what to think. I was kind of froze
at first. I thought, what is this helicopter doing out here?
And it wasn't until it got, you know, nearly to
the center of the field that I realized that it's
not making any sound, and I was kind of I'd
have to say, I was a bit froze for a moment.
I just didn't know what to think because I've just
watched this, you know, this light lift up. I mean,
it's just wild. It's you know, it's crazy to see.
But then I don't know how to explain it. But
I felt really excited. And our home, like I said,
was just a little further down this dirt road to
the left, and I wanted to see this thing better.
And I ran and that thing was my father had
just bought binoculars like that week, and I knew where
it's like, I knew where they were. And that was
the first thing that came to my mind, was if
I when I wanted to see this better, I thought,
I can, you know, I just run home, get in
the house really fast, and get those binoculars and come back.
And so I took off. I wanted to see this
thing closer. I took off, and I got once I
went into the canopy, like I said, it was already dark.
But once I went into that canopy, it's just it's
so hard to see. There were no lights on to Truthfully,
we were very poor and we had no electricity at
the time, and this light it followed me as I
went to as I went home, it came. It kind
of followed behind me, and it stopped at the front
left corner of the field, behind the trees, and through
the trees you could see like the rays of light
come through this extremely bright blue white light, and it
lit up that entire place, almost like daytime, but it
was just a different color. It was just a like
I say, a blue white color. And I was shaking
trying to get the key in the lock and get
it open, and I finally I got it open and
I ran in and the binoculars were right there. I
grabbed them and I come running out, and as I
ran out, that light drifted away. And I have to say, now,
this is one thing I I didn't mention. It looked
like a single light when it was on the ground,
and when it lifted up. I don't know at what
point that it changed, but it's almost as if I
realized that it wasn't just a ball of light, but
it was whenever I first saw it, that is what
it was. It was just a ball of light there.
But as it came forward at some point, I know,
I don't know when, but it turned into a triangle.
And I mean, like like as if you're looking at
a pyramid, not triangular like I see a lot of
the UFO pictures, where like a flat triangle. I mean
it was like a pyramid standing up. It had these
and the lights looked like as if they were a
light on each corner. And so it at some point,
like I say, changed from being a ball to this
pyramid which looked like three lights. And when I come
running back out, it drifted away from me, back towards
the center of the field, but it didn't quite go
back as far as it did before, so it was
it was closer. And I'm trying to get the binoculars out,
and I'm just staring at this thing the whole time,
and I'm trying to lift it up, and my hands
were strare. I didn't realize how much I was shaking
until I tried to lift the binoculars up and something
actually I kind of I say, I would say odd,
because as I lifted the binoculars to my eye, and
I didn't think about this till later, but I still
whatever that was, I feel like it knew I was
about to burn my own eyes solt with these binoculars
looking at this light because it was so bright, and
as I was getting trying to hold the binoculars up,
like I said, shape, I was shaking too much really
to hold them. But as I'm trying to pull them up,
those lights turned off. But they went off like stadium lights,
you know, slowly. They didn't just turn off, They just
dimmed down until they were off. And then once I,
like I said, I couldn't hold the binoculars steady and
I had to put it on the fence. I propped
the binoculars on the fence and was trying to look
through there, and I realized that it was just like
a disc shape. I don't know how it was ever,
you know, the ball shape or the pyramid shape, because
it had the light on the top. Like I said,
it was looked like lights on three corners, but there
were no corners and there was no point at the
top for there to be a light there. I don't
know how that worked. I just know that there were
three lights they turned off. There was nothing there. It
wasn't that far, that's the thing. It was not that
far from me. This thing was probably i'd say fifty
to sixty yards away. It wasn't that far. And when
I tried to look through it with the binoculars. I
realized that there was there was nothing there other than
just this disc. I was trying to see, if you know,
I don't know, for some reason in my mind, I
was looking for windows. I don't know why I thought that,
but I you know, I never saw a UFO before,
and so I'm looking to try to see if I
can see through a window. But all I could see
was these small lights at the towards the bottom, and
they were just flashing like different colors. They were really
small lights. And I can't say really how long this lasted.
I was just froze staring at it. Eventually I stopped
looking trying to look through the binoculars because it was
too difficult, and I'm just staring at it. And as
I stopped looking, you know, through the binoculars, those lights
seemed to get a little brighter. And after actually what
seemed to be an eternity, it really felt like a
long time that I was there, that disc started to
drift backward to about the same position it was in
when it very first came forward, and it it rested therefore,
I think, I said, I don't know how long but
several minutes, and then all of a sudden, as if
it was attached to a rubber band that was stretched
out and just let go, and it just shot up.
And when it shot up, whatever speed it was going,
it was almost as if it started off at top speed.
It just that's the only thing I can come up
with to compare it to with us, as if it
was attached to the bottom of a rubber band, you know,
allowed to go. And I stared it just went so
high to it just turned to like a dot, like
a you know, I watched it turn into like a dot,
and I just couldn't stop staring at it until it,
you know, went away, and I left the binoculars there
and everything. I ran. I ran to go back to
the place we were camping. And when I got there.
Now to me, I say, that lasted a long time.
But I mean in minutes. You know, I can't imagine
standing there looking at a UFO for too long without it,
you know, leaving. But anyways, it just seemed like a
long time as in minutes. But I've ran went back
a friend and brother and I'm trying to tell them
and they're they're already asleep. They're in the inside of
the tent sleeping and I start, you know, check out,
grabbed my friend by the leg and I'm trying to
tell him, you know, hey, man, I saw a UFO.
I saw Ufo. I saw a UFO. I kept saying that,
and it woke h up. They were like dead asleep
and he's looking at me like wiping his eyes, and
he's like, where have you been? And I just saw
a Ufo. He's like, man, what are you drinking? I said, dude,
I saw a Ufo. And my brother had woken up
and he's staring at me and he said the same thing.
Where have you been? I said, I saw a Ufo.
I kept repeating I saw a Ufo. Well actually they
were like whatever, you know, and started to lay back down.
And actually, to be honest with you, it made me
mad because to me, I just saw the most insane
thing I've ever seen in my life. And I'm trying
to tell him and I'm immediately not being believed, and
I yeah, just mad. And so as I started to
tell him again, but as I I turned, because like
I said, I was mad, I turned and over the
lake there was another light coming, just a blue light.
And I had explained it. It was like a blue
soft light, and it looked I'd have to say, it
looked like about the size of a large beach ball.
At least that's what it looked like to me at
the you know, at the time. Well, when I saw that,
I just, you know, I yelled, there's another one. There's
another one. There's another one. And he looked, you know,
kind of looked at me. I leaned and I reached
I grabbed him by his leg and I started pulling
him out, and he set up. I grabbed him by
his hair and pulled him out and like pointed his
head at the light. I said, there, and then he
stood up, and then my brother came out. And this
light was moving so slow they were able to put
their shoes on, and I actually I believe he tied
his shoes. I don't remember now, but I know that
we were walking following the thing, and it was coming
over the lake. Well when we came back to you know,
we're going to follow this thing. And like I said, before,
this lease it had a road that went all the
way around it, and then it had the one that
cut through the middle, which it wasn't much of a road,
it was almost more of a pathway. We walked over there,
and we waited for it to come toward us, and
we walked behind it, and we followed that thing. We
walked all the way back to where I told them
I saw the first one. It went right to that
same place, and it did the same thing when it
when it got to that part where the other one
had shot into the sky, this blue this blue globe,
it's like it turned off and then these little lights
underneath of it turned on and the same thing, like
I said, as if it was attached to a rubber
band and just, you know, let go. And it was
in this guy. It was like in space almost instantly.
And I was like, you know, I couldn't believe it.
I was, And so of course me, I'm saying, like
I told you, I told you, I told you. You know,
it went back to the same place. This is where
I told you it went. And like I said, I
had left the binoculars there, and I realized then that
the binoculars are still on the fence post. I grabbed
the binoculars. Okay, now here's another thing. My parents were
out of town. We were there alone. My parents were
out of town, and they were coming in in the
morning and I grabbed the binoculars in the box that
they were in, and we went back home, and I
couldn't help, but that's all we were talking about. And
I immediately grabbed a sketch book and was just trying
to sketch all the different ways that I saw as
it was, you know, again, that's when I really started
to realize, Hey, wait a minute, that thing changed from
a ball to a pyramid. You know, that's really when
I really that kind of sunk in. But I could
still never tell, you, like, when that happened. So I
immediately just start drawing sketches of this, you know, trying
to from when I very first saw it and what
you know, when it followed me and I'm kept, you know,
and of course I just kept retelling the story to them,
and and it didn't seem like long. It started to
get light, and my parents were coming home at that time.
They were they were coming home, like I don't know
exactly what time it was, but it wasn't far after daybreak,
long after daybreak, and I'm telling it. I'm excited telling
them about it, and I'm telling my dad. Now, my dad,
he was actually I guess in the UFOs I didn't.
I didn't know that he was much in the UFOs
and I knew that, you know, we would talk about
ghosts and you know, paranormal stuff. And I don't really
even recall talking to him about UFOs much at i'll,
you know, But anyways, after I told him, I'm showing
him these drawings, and he's like, where was it? You know,
told me we go out there. And when we got
out there and this this is like as the sun's
coming up over the tree line of what would have
been the side of the tree line on the side
of the field closer to our home, and we were
looking at this. We're going to go try to see
if left any you know, there any like impressions in
the ground. And I didn't. We didn't see impressions in
the ground. But what we saw was something that looked
like cotton candy and a circle. It was a like
a white cotton candy. And whenever I, you know, whenever
we saw that, my dad told me it's called angel hair.
I'd never heard of that before. He said it was
called angel hair. And I ran home and got a
mayonnaise jar, an old you know, cleaned out Manna's jar,
and took a stick and just started scraping that stuff
in there into this mana'se jar because I wanted to
save it, because to me, on like, we have to
turn this in, we have to look, we have to
get this analyzed. I mean, I was all about, we
have to report this, we have to do this, we
have to do that. While we were standing out there,
as the sun completely came up, and as the usually
fake there's dew on the grass, and the sun comes
up and the sun starts to dry the dew off
the grass, and we're still We're still out there talking.
You know. Now, I think my mother came out there,
and I believe someone else may have come out there.
But as the sun come up, we realized that all
of that stuff it just evaporated or something. That angel
hair stuff, it evaporated. And whenever I went and I
got to picked up the jar, but it looked like
there was nothing in there. I don't know what happened
to it. It just looked like it evaporated. But I
brought it home. I kept that for a while. Then
odd things started happening. Well, first off, I saw a
line inside of my thumbnail under my thumbnail, under my
left thumbnail. I saw this a line that was about,
I don't know, I guess about a quarter inch long.
And this was some days after actually, and I took
a needle and just start scraping and scraping and scraping
and scraping until I got down to that thing. I
don't know why, but I had this feeling like, you know,
there's something there. I don't know why, but I just
had a feeling there's something there. I picked it out
and it was like metal, you know. It made me
think of like a metal bristle off of a you know,
a wire brush. But I think there's no way that
that could have gotten under there. After I took that out,
I put it in a little jar, a little pimento jar.
I wanted to save it because I felt for some reason,
I don't know why, but I didn't think of anything
about being abducted. I didn't actually, honestly that time, I
didn't know anything about abduction, so it never crossed my mind.
But for some reason I did think that somehow that
was connected. And I don't even know why I connected
it to that, because, like I said, I didn't know
anything about abductions at the time. That most that I
knew of was about the cows. In my mind, I
just remember them being like dropped out of UFOs and
you know, had their lips cut off and tongues and
you know, the cattle mutilation stuff. That was as far
as I knew anything about abductions. So again, I don't
know why I connected that, but I did. And so,
like I said, it was, I pulled that out. I
saved it in the Pamento jar and I would check
my I would check my fingernails every day. After that,
I would just keep checking my fingernails, keep checking my
and periodically another one would just appear and I would
dig it out and get it out. And it was
the same thing. And I was adding these little wire
bristles to, you know, into this pammo jar. Now, after that,
that whole thing happened. I didn't know why, but I
started developing anxiety. And I didn't even even I didn't
know what anxiety was. But I started having anxiety attacks,
and I started having weird dreams. And one of the
dreams that I was having was that I was a child,
about five years old, and I remembered it was like
in the dream, I remembered I was dreaming of something.
That's what it seemed like. I'm dreaming of something that happened.
And near that lake, my grandmother had a cabin there,
and in front of that cabin was a small field.
It was kind of like a yard for her cabin.
And in the dream, I was standing in that field
at night time and these lights were coming over the
tree line from where the lake was at it these
different colored lights coming out, and there was these there
was discs that would come out, Hey, as if you
drop a quarter on a table and it just makes
that you know, goes around and around, not on the
top edge end, but when it's like almost about to
stop spinning and it's going to go flat. It was
like these lights that were discs were coming out. They
were going around me like that, almost as if it
was a game. I remember laughing and watching these lights.
But I'd never dreamed that before. Why it stood out
so much when you have a dream that seems so real.
But this didn't just seem like a dream that was
real it now it was a memory. And then these
other little memories just kept opening up. It was these
little memories were just starting to I don't know how
to explain it but be released or something. But I
would dream them. I would remember this as if it happened.
And I know it sounds crazy. I fear that I'm
saying it, but I mean that's just so the way
it was. But then my anxiety kept getting worse and
worse and worse, and I just couldn't get this out
of my mind, the whole incident of you know, the
seeing this UFO. I couldn't. That's where I was introduced
to Whitley Strieber. Actually, because I got the book Communion.
I wanted to because I've wanted to learn anything. I
became obsessed, I feel like about wanting to find out
what that was. And in this cabin that we lived in,
like I said, we had no electricity and it would
be so dark in there and I would be afraid
to wake up and not be able to see where
I was, and so I would try to find little
lights or keep a flashlight with me because I became afraid.
And actually I'd have to say that fear has followed
me till today. Of going to sleep, I can't go
to sleep without having a light on somewhere. I still
have a light on till now, grown man fifty years old.
I still keep a light on. I just I don't
know it affected me that much even until now. But
like I said, these dreams were I'm having these dreams
and as if I'm recalling memories. And then I had
a dream that I was older, because as I'm dreaming
these things, but as I'm dreaming them, it's like going
in a chronological order forward in age and have It's
like I'm dreaming about different incidents where I've actually already
seen it. When I thought that was the first time
I ever seen, you know, a UFO or something like that.
I started to have these recollections and a chronological order
through these dreams. Then it would be gaps and then
I would be a little older, and then another gap
that I'd be a little older as if I was
you know, if I were to look back at it now,
it would be as if I'd have to say it
was if I was being visited like at different times
in my life, and like maybe you know, every couple
of years or something. But at that age you grow
so fast. I could tell the difference in myself in
these dreams, and then those dreams caught up with my
current age. At the time, and I dreamed that I
was in a room and it was just a metal
room and it was cold. I was I don't know
what I was sitting on, but I know that I
couldn't move. But I was sitting, but sitting, uh, not
sitting down. I was kind of being held up. I
was having that anxiety. I started having that anxiety in
that dream. I realized I'm nude. I don't have any
clothes on, and that was why I was so cold.
I guess it's the you know, when you recall the grave.
There were three of them in there. As I'm having
this anxiety attack, I start to feel emotional thinking about this,
but this one started to speak to me as to
calm me down, but it felt like as if it
was a female. I realized they had placed something on
me and it actually hurt, and they just walked out.
And then I don't remember anything after that because I
don't remember if I woke up or what. But that's
where that memory stops that kept following me. We moved
away from there and we moved to another place in Livingston, Texas.
The place that we lived in there were offices at
the bottom and apartments at the top, and we had
an apartment with and an office, you know, one above
the We have the apartment above the office. And I
remember thinking when I in my bedroom there. I don't
know why, but I was thinking, well, at least we're
up here. They can't get to me. And it was
so weird. I'd have thoughts like that, but I wouldn't
think about it any other time, but it would just
be certain moments that it would strike me like that.
I went in the room, I saw the window, and
I went to the window and I looked down and
I said, well, at least they can't get to me here,
they can get to you there. And they did. And
it continued on through the time that I was there
through high school, and my anxiety just kept getting worse
and worse and worse, and it was getting to where
I would I would hide because I'd start to hyperventilate
from why I tell this this is crazier. I feel
like I sound. I remember seeing a doctor they wanted
to put me on Riddlin. When they gave me this medication.
All I know is it made me like a zombie.
And when I was on that medication, thing stopped for
a little while then I guess, I say, for a
little while, I think it was like in the very beginning,
thing stopped. But then I started to wake up with
them in there with me in this bedroom that I
felt was safe, thinking for some reason that on the
second floor was safe, and I'd wake up with them
there and I couldn't move, and that, can you know,
continued on through the time that we were there, and
we moved again, and they continued as we moved from
place to place to place that we moved to, and
eventually it tapers are and where at least either it
wasn't happening or I couldn't recall it, as you know,
as far as those incidents happening.
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Speaker 1: But I would have to say there was another incident
that happened. It was near Cleveland, Texas. We went to
visit someone's home, stayed at their home for a couple
of nights while they were out of town. My father
and myself, my brother were and we were staying there
because my mom went home to visit her family, and
so we stayed there to watch these people's home for
them for I think it was like a weekend or something,
and it was pretty much in the woods. It was dark.
We were watching TV and we has heard this, I guess,
like an explosion. We couldn't tell. It's not like something
hit the ground. You could feel the you could feel
the ground shape. We all jumped up and we ran
outside to look to see, you know, with what was that,
and couldn't see anything really, of course, it was so dark.
And my dad he was like, get in a car,
we're gonna go find it. We get in the car
and we're driving down this dirt road and he was
driving those dirt road with his lights off to try
to see if he saw anything, you know, in those places.
You know, now I'm used to being, you know, on
the Gulf coast you just can't see the can't see
the sky proper here, but there, you know, you can
see the Milky Way, and you know, you see all
these stars in the sky. It was it was beautiful.
And as we're going down watching, you know, trying to
look in the sky and see what, you know, is
there anything there, any moving things? Whatever? There was I
don't know how many helicopters. The people talk about the
flat triangular shape craft and it was going so slow,
I don't know how the heck it was staying in
the air because it was going so incredibly slow, and
these helicopters were all around it, and it was as
if they were escorting this thing. And where we were Cleveland, Texas,
and the direction they were going was toward Houston, and
in that direction. Now this place isn't There's actually a
famous case. I don't remember if it's in New Caney
or Splendora, and I don't remember their names, but it
was the two women and the child where the this
was back in the seventies, I believe, seventies or early
eighties that time period, I believe. But anyways, these are
the ones where the I recall that the woman, I
believe they had like radiation effects on them, and one
of them like burning their hand on the car, and
I think it really affected the child mentally. You know.
When I to look back and try to learn more about,
you know, other places that they were sidings, I realized
that there were sightings happened pretty often in that area.
On Highway fifty nine, as you're leaving Shepherd, it comes
to a point with like the old highway coming out
of Shepherd and then the newer highway fifty nine coming
out of Shepherd, and right in that point there was
a shell gas station and my mother worked there, and
this was here. This would have been actually, this would
have been before I saw the UFO that I saw
in the field. She saw a triangular craft. But I
didn't know about this until later. Until later, after I
told her what I saw that they that's when she
told me, oh, yeah, I saw you know this. She
told me that she called my dad, and my dad
went outside and was trying to watch for it because really,
as the crow would fly where we were, it was
kind of a straight direct where she said it was going,
it would have come, you know, over where we lived.
But I don't believe my father actually saw it. But
another story she told me later on in life, which
is so wild. This makes me think something like something's
not right about this. But she told me that whenever
I was a kid and I was in school. Now,
remember I said, whenever I was coming back during the
time I saw that UFO in the field, when I
came to the field and then turned left with that
corner there, that corner property. We had to live there
when I was younger, and then we later moved to
the other cabin that was in that canopy of trees.
So at this time though, it was when we lived
on this corner property, and that was directly in front
of that field, and my mother told me that when
no one was there, we were at school and my
dad was at work, she said a helicopter came. She
said she was outside watering a and she remembered a
helicopter go and land in that field and then come
up and come toward her while she was standing there
in the yard, and it land in the yard, and
that there was a man staring at her. And then
after a while, because she said, she started walking backward
because she was scared, and then it helicopter lifted up
and left. And then the craziest thing, she said, I
didn't know there were helicopters that didn't make sound. So
to her, this helicopter, and I'm doing air quotes here,
this helicopter she saw wasn't making any sound. So I
don't know what kind of experience that was with her.
Is somehow something happened and it was imprinted on her.
She remembers it differently. I had no idea, but you
know that also was strange. I would have to say,
for the most part my experience. One of the things
that did was because I'm I was fifteen. I would
have to say I was a pretty open minded guy anyway.
But it made me realize to keep an open mind
because I knew at that time I'm not going to
be able to tell the story to just anybody and
them either just believe me or not tell me I'm
crazy or tell me I'm full of crap. It was,
you know, there were those options were more likely to
happen than someone saying, really tell me about that, you
know what I mean, this is just going to be
not happening in that type of way. And my best friend,
he did not like to talk about it. He didn't
want to talk about it. And one of the reasons
he didn't want to talk about it is because it
bothered him more. Because he would bring it up to me.
He would say, man, something happened to you. Something happened
to you, And like, why do you say that? He said,
there's no way you ran home and ran back, but
it was morning right after and that they had gone
to sleep. He's like, dude, something happened to you. Man,
I just didn't remember anything happening I just remembered what
I saw, and so to me, I just saw like
what I told you this, you know, saw the UFO
that whole experience went back told them, and you know,
that was what I saw. I didn't see anything else
until later on. I started, you know, having these you know, dreams,
and I wouldn't say reoccurring dreams, but it would just be,
like I said, following this line, and then I would
have to say, like the last dream that I did
have about having a dream from something that may have happened,
I actually dreamed after the dream that I had where
I was in that room with those three I guess
grays whatever they are. There was a dream that I
had where I was at that field watching that In
the dream, I had fallen down or on my back,
as if I had fallen down. Bothered me so much
because I knew that I had never actually fallen down.
I never fell down, but I dreamed when I would
dream about that for some reason, and that was a
dream that would be recurring that I would dream and
I almost feel like it was recurring because I wouldn't
accept it for some reason, because I felt like no
I lived that I was actually there and that did
not happen. The other things, as I said, they weren't
recurring dreams. Those dreams started from whatever age of like five,
I believe, up until the age of fifteen to that
actual incident. But it was that incident, the dream about
that incident. It was. Things were right up until like
this whole I'm on my you know, fallen down thing.
And I mean, so I guess maybe that may have been.
If I'm going to just go along with it and say, okay,
yeah I was abducted. Man, if I'm going to go
along with that, I guess I would say that maybe
that incident that happened that was at that time. Otherwise
I don't know, but yeah, that was a recurrent dream.
And then, like I said, I guess I just couldn't
accept it or wouldn't accept it, and eventually I just thought, Okay,
I guess it's a possibility, and then I stopped having
the dreams. But I mean, really that pretty much sums
up my you know, as far as like the UFO
stuff goes. But you know, that's that pretty much sums
it up. Made me have an open mind for things
that I may not believe. You know, I may hear
someone saying because as I'm saying to you that, I
know I sound crazy when I'm saying this. I know
that if I was listening to this, I would probably
be like mm hm. So I knew that then that
if I tell anyone, that's how it would be received.
But obviously I actually saw it. So yeah, it it
helped me to have an open mind to things, and
I'm I'm actually grateful for that. If it's nothing else,
I'm grateful for it helping me to keep an open
mind because I think that's important. When you hear someone
who is telling you about something that they're giving you
a sincere story that may sound just crazy, but you know,
for that person that's there, that was their life, they
lived it. But yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 3: For that interesting stuff. Michael.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's definitely interesting in a way still till now.
To me, it's just on one hand of yeah, these
things happened, Well I know the thing what I saw,
I know that happened. It was there's nothing that can't
change that. Yeah, no, I that's I know that. And
then like I say, there was I say physical evidence.
I had never heard of angel hair before my father
said that. But then again, like I said, I'd never
heard of or known about abductions other than like the
cow of you know, cow mutilations, cattle mutilations. But it
was after that, later on I did see an episode
and this flight flew me away. I don't remember what
show it was, but it was they were talking about
like some you UFO that came down to a college,
and I guess this was back in the forties or
fifties or something like that, and this UFO had come
and down on this campus. It had that same kind
of stuff falling out of it, some sort of white
cotton candy looking stuff, and they I heard them call
it an angel hair. That's the only time I've ever
heard that again from what I saw, So I don't
know how my father knew to call it angel hair.
I have no idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's been several instances where they've been a
UFO encounter of some sort, and there's been this strange
substance reported, not since the UFOs has been reported around
movastations of Mary in the past, but it's somebody has
been around for a good while. And I think you
were talking about the cat Landrum Dayton Texas.
Speaker 1: Okay, Dayton, Okay, Yeah, it either happened there or they
were from there, or they were from the other place
and it happened there. But I do know somehow seeither
New Cane, your splendor of plays in there. Somehow I
just don't remember, or maybe one of them was from there,
any other they I don't really recall. But I believe
they had gone to play bingo or something and when
they saw that. I could be wrong, but I believe
that's what happened.
Speaker 3: I think they'd gone out for a meals or something
and that was in I think it was nineteen eighty
when that happened.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a very big state and there was
a lot of historic sightings from the Lone Star State.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't realize how how many until I started
to look back and see, like you know, I was
just trying to see. What I wanted to do was
see where we're sightings reported so I could kind of
plot it out and see, like where was it happening
in Texas. I didn't realize there were so many.
Speaker 3: The shore is a lot. When you saw your back
in nineteen eighty eight, you know you're you're your campaign.
You were fishing and saw this first object in this field,
what size would you give this object?
Speaker 1: I would have to say that when it was in
the back Okay, now, one thing that I did forget
to say whenever it was in that field in the
back corner, and it looked like a like a globe
or it was like a ball at that time. You know,
when someone walks in front of a light, you know,
even at a distance, you can see that someone walks
through there. It did seem like there was some sort
of movement in front of that light, and I did
forget to say that it did seem that there was.
And actually that was one of the reasons that I
was really confused because I thought, I thought, no, it
couldn't be mister Strader's tractor because he has two lights
on his tractor. And then I saw that and then
I thought, well, okay, well maybe it is him. Maybe
one light just went out. And I never really thought
about that until later. You know that, Okay, something was
outside of that. You know, at some point I saw
that movement, So I don't know what was out there.
And as far as the size, it was about fifteen
feet wide and about well, whatever was the pier. When
it turned into the pyramid shape, it kind of morphed
in the different shapes. But when it was the ball
as as far as wide, it looked like maybe fifteen
to eighteen feet wide and fixed to seven feet tall.
I don't believe it could have been taller than that.
Speaker 3: Between the first and the second object across the lake,
do you think they were the same object?
Speaker 1: You know? Actually I couldn't say, because I watched the
first one go into the sky, go up until it
turned into like a spec and I wondered whether other
ones around could it have gone up and then came
back down somewhere else. Blue light of the one that
came across the lake was a deep blue color, and
a matter of fact, as we were walking behind it,
because like I said, it was going so slow. It
was going so we were walking a slow pace. We
weren't trying to hurry to catch up or anything barely
floating and it was tree level. And now that one, though,
actually was smaller, I would have I don't believe it
may have been the same because that seemed smaller, and
I remember thinking like maybe this was like some kind
of probe or something that came out of the other one,
But I don't know that. I just know that it
was a deeper blue color, and it seemed to be
smaller and was like a size of like a large
beach ball. And then with the light coming off of it,
the light looked almost tangible if you could see the
light coming off of it. I think it was the
light that was coming off of it made it look larger.
Like I said, it was going really slow. It's so
dark out there. We were walking by the light, the
light that it was shining down in that path, because
otherwise it would have been pitch black. We couldn't have
walked through there without that light. We didn't grab a flashlight.
We didn't think to grab one. We were just so
in awe of this light. And remember my friend putting
his shoes on, and but yeah, we just we walked
behind it and we walked in the light of it
that it was casting there, because other like I said,
it would have been too dark. We couldn't have walked
through there without a flashlight. But it was lighting this
place up. The other one lit up that entire area
underneath that canopy. It was like these rays of light
coming through it just lit that whole place up. The
other one was like a lighter, it was like a
white blue, and that one was a dark blue.
Speaker 3: So it was an illuminating all the surroundings, the canopy
of the trees, and it was produced enough light so
you had.
Speaker 1: Enough visual to follow absolutely.
Speaker 3: And then it went in the same direction as the
original object, to the same field.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, it went to the very same place. So,
like I said, I was telling my friend, telling him
how everything happened. How you know, it came up and
it went here, and then it went back, and I
went in to the house, and you know, I was telling
him the whole story. And but yeah, it went back,
I say, basically from where I remember the other one
being when it went up, that's where this one went.
It went there, and like I say, the light, the
light changed on it. And another thing that is always
posited me. They moved so fast, They were so fast,
but it didn't make any kind of beads. They were going.
You would think there would be some sort of sound,
if not like a sonic boom, but you would think
there would be some sort of sound. Not the slightest whisper, nothing,
no hum, no nothing, no no sound at all.
Speaker 3: Even when it was moving across the lake and end
at the path, there was no zero sound, complete silence. Right,
And when did the dreams that seemed to have been
going a linear age path? When did you have your
final one? When did that cease the dreams?
Speaker 1: And I was in my twenties, I'd have to say
that I was probably about twenty five or twenty six,
I believe so, and was so odd. Actually talked to
Art Bell and Bud Hopkins one night, kind of I've
wanted to call and talk every time I thought, you know,
heard Bud Hopkins was on, man, I was on the line.
I wanted to talk to Bud Hopkins. I wanted to
tell him my story. And I did talk to them.
I was the last caller that they ran out of time,
and I was the guy that was I was able
to tell America good night. Ninety eight, ninety nine, probably
ninety eight. Yeah, I tried, man, I tried for a
long time, and I finally got in and it was
I was able to tell them a little bit. Think
about it. I actually told him about the metal thing
in my finger nail, and I don't remember what Bud
Hopkins said, but that was pretty much that was like
the end of the show. So I did get to
say that, and then it was okay. It was like
good night to America, right. You know. That's another thing.
I was saving those things under my nail. I was
saving those and I would put them in a like
this pimento jar. They kept coming back. I had actually
come back so many times I had. I found a
way to get them out without you know, because I
was like cut like a line in my thumbnail with
a needle, just going back and forth until I could
get to that. And I found a better way to
get to it, so I could just get it from
the you know, like the front point and pull it out.
And I was saving those things, and then one day
they're just they were gone. I have no idea what
happened to them. They were just gone because I kept that.
I kept that jar in the same place. And then
I was going to tell someone about it. Because see
that's the thing. Like my friend he was he didn't
like to talk about it, my brother, and you know,
he wasn't he wasn't thrilled to talk about it, but
you know he would, but he wouldn't bring it up.
Speaker 2: Me.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, now I wanted to talk about it.
I wanted to talk about it. I wanted to know
what it was. I wanted to know as many people
as I could who had experienced that. I wanted to
talk about it. I was very open about it.
Speaker 3: Your dream stopped about twenty five twenty six. What about
in the last twenty five years, has there been any
incidents which kind of stand out in any way?
Speaker 1: Well, I have seen things, but I don't recall now
if we're you know, just saying saying on the topic
of UFOs, that I have seen some UFOs, but nothing
to a degree that I saw at the time. When
I was fifteen, I actually tried to take pictures of
something that I saw after it. This was after Hurricane Katrina. See,
I lived here. I looked around the like I said,
on the Gulf coast, and after Katrina, all the lights
were out, you know, so you could actually see the sky.
And so I saw, I'm just gonna go and look
while it's so dark and put it on a time
or whatever to you know, take pictures at night. And
I was setting my camera up, just propping it up
and taking pictures over the water. It was so odd.
I even called when I did have the picture. I
just I called it crazy, or that's what I titled
the picture, labeled it because there were three. But in
one of the pictures, I had no idea what it was,
but there was a green light in there and it
had like a tracer behind it. But of course, you know,
it was on a slow shutter speed for being you know, nighttime.
And all I can say is, as far as this
goes like, you know, I didn't I didn't see a
light in the sky. I was standing there waiting for
the you know, for the camera to finished this long
exposure picture. I never saw a light, but there was
like green light, but I never saw it with my
own eyes. And so you know, when it comes to
things like that, I tend to think like, okay, maybe
it is a legitimate something, but also it's a digital camera,
and maybe it was something else. I don't know, not
as not, like I say, not not to the degree
that I saw.
Speaker 3: No no dreams or any or anything like that. It's
been pretty quiet since the age of twenty five twenty six.
Speaker 1: But as far as like dreams, I really think that
for the most part, those dreams stopped and it was odd.
But when I was in my thirties, I started to
have that first dream that I had before when I
was younger, of those lights coming out of the lake.
I saying, they're coming out of the lake. I couldn't
see the lake in the dream. I was standing in
that field beside the lake, and there was a tree
line that went around the lake at that portion of
the lake, and the lights were coming up from the
other side of those trees. Because it has just been
this tree line and the lake on the other side.
Now where they came from exactly, I don't know. They
could have just floated over there, the same as the
blue one floated that we followed on foot. But they
were coming up out of the from the other side
and then back down into the field, and they would
bounce around, and the other ones looked like coins wobbling,
I guess to call it. I started to have that
dream again when I was in my thirties, but I
don't know why. Now I do want to say this.
I know this is off topic from UFOs, but there's
something I don't know. If you've ever heard of the
Saratoga lights, I'm sure you've probably heard of, like the
Martha lights. Sure, yeah, Okay, well, there's also something called
Saratoga Lightsness in Saratoga, Texas. It's me and that same guy,
my friend that was camping with me. We had heard
about this light and now at this point we were
I think about eighteen or nineteen, and we wanted to
go see this for ourselves. We wanted to go and
check it out, and we brought our girlfriends with us.
They wanted to go, and we found out later that
was going to be a bad idea, but we went
and we sat and you're just on this dirt road
and it's just pitch black, and sure enough, there was
a light that came out and it back and forth,
and it was so hard to tell it's, you know,
to judge the distance of it from you. And it
started out at the distance and it was the color
of the light would change from like an orange to
red color and sometimes to like a yellow color, but
always like a yellowish and orangish reddish colors. And then
it would just change in size. But it was going
back and forth across this road. Now, of course, the
story is like many of this dirt road. Now I
believe this is true. Though that dirt road is on
top of an old railroad track. But the story is,
of course that it's some guy that worked on the
railroads or something and would walk with the lights to
check the tracks. Then somehow fell on the track or something,
and of course the train come and he lost his
head and now he's looking for his head. That's a story.
But I've heard that same kind of story so many times.
There were so many of those types of things. I
don't know what it is, but I will say we
did see that light and it was going back and
forth across the road. Now the girls with this, they
started to like panic, But me and my friend we're like, nah,
we're waiting to see what this this. We're gonna wait.
That thing came back and forth, back and forth, back
and forth, and slowly toward it, slowly towards until it
actually got right there. We were in a truck. It
was an old B ten Chevy leave it at C
one ten or C ten full size Chevy truck, and
that light came through the cab of that truck. And
it was so weird because it turned inside of that cab.
It lit up inside of there. And why I say
it was bad for us to have brought our girlfriends
with us is. I didn't know it at the time,
but my girlfriend was so weird. They were screaming, but
it couldn't hear them as that light was coming through.
But my girlfriend had latched onto my arm and her
fingernails were just embedded into my arm. But I didn't
know it until after that thing come through. And it
was so odd. And I have to say it now.
My friend he said he experienced the same thing. It
was as this. It was as if things got slow
or something, because I could see both of those girls
screaming and I couldn't hear them, but it wasn't a
normal screen. It almost looked like they were froze. And
as the light passed through, it was like someone turned
the volume up, you know, or the sound come back on,
and they were screaming so loud. And yeah, I had
some her fingernails dug at me and my friend I
don't remember. I think he was I think she scratched
him too or something. I don't remember, but I know
that my girlfriend at the time, she was very unhappy
with us. That was another thing that me and him
experienced together that you know, was really cool. But again,
it was so odd. Was that after we saw that.
I was very open about it, but he didn't like
to talk about it much. It's kind of odd how
how different people respond. I think he didn't believe it
was even going to be there. I didn't know when
he invited me to go. I had never heard of
that before, and so I was kind of excited to go.
And actually I had never heard the Marshal lights. I
didn't hear about the Marshal lights until I was, you know, much.
Speaker 3: Older the lights of Saratoga. I'm pretty sure I've had
a guest on that as seen the same lights. But
they're interesting and these lights awes of lights. He have
a lot of interest in Texas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when I think about it, well, you
have the Marvel lights, you have the Saratoga lights, and
I believe there are some other ones. And the thing
about it is that the Alabamaka Shada Native Americans that
lived there. A friend of mine, Wendel, he told me
about those lights and about where he lived on the
Alabama Shada Reservation, that they saw them there, and he
was like really into, you know, his Native American roots
and things like that, and he would tell me about
these lights that they had on the reservation. But he
would tell me these stories. And the other thing is
I wish I could remember the stories, but you have
these tales about them, and so whereas these I'm hearing
the stories of you know, it was the guy who
lost his head working on the train track. When then
he's telling me like it was some sort of you know,
some kind of spirit saying or you know, or a
spiritual thing with these you know, with the Native American
tribe that he was from, and I guess it was
probably the same with other tribes. I don't really know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all these stories from legend, they get passed down
sometimes you know, the details get changed and they you know,
it becomes a little bit more modernized. Good stuff, Michael.
Speaker 1: Interesting, as far as I have, I think that's pretty much, Michael.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Oh, no problem, Deck, I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 3: It's been great talking to you.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you too.
Speaker 3: All right, buddy, all right, you take care yourself rather.
Speaker 1: Man taker take you.
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Till then, stay safe, we'll keep watching the skies. Goodbye,