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Speaker 1: You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report

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a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every

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thirty one. Do you wish to report a UFO over hey,

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we want to one of those areas thirty one. Do

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you wish to find a report of any kind of it?

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I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds areas thirty

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one me neither. There were seven one golf. If it

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was anybody else above us to pass us, Like thirty

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seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, Okay,

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OFFI the UFO.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, if you passed over.

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Speaker 1: I got I don't know what it was, but it's

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from at least to three thousand feet above us.

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Speaker 3: See, I passed right over the top of us.

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Speaker 2: Ninety one one.

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Speaker 1: You just called both to be be fours. They're after

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staying the airplanes. He is.

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Speaker 2: To God on an unidentified object, every liberty or call

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or calm on an unidentified flying object.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their

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experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,

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I would like to be on the show. You can

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email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I hope you're

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all having a good week and getting into the Christmas spirit.

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I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast.

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Our guest tonight is Mike, coming to us from the

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Mississippi Gulf Coast and back in the fall of nineteen

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eighty eight, Michael was camping and fishing with his friend

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and brother when he witnessed a UFO in a field.

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And when Michael got back to camp and explained to

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them both for what he had just witnessed, another UFO

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comes along hovering over the lake. Michael is up next,

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Now on with the show. Hello, Michael, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Hey, how are you doing there.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing pretty good. Great to have you with us today.

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And you're calling from Mississippi right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The Mississippi Gulf.

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Speaker 3: Coast, right down there in the south.

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Speaker 1: As far south as you can get unless you go

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to Florida.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. Okay, Now, Michael, you have some experiences you're

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going to be shared of us. Would you like to

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start at a beginning place.

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Speaker 1: Sir, Yeah, yeah, I'll do that. So growing up, I was,

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I guess, probably attracted to a lot of the subjects

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that would you be considered paranormal, But aliens in UFOs

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was actually not one of those subjects. I don't know why.

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It's actually kind of cool when you look into it,

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but yeah, that's not one of the things I was

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ever interested in. But that changed when I was And

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actually I have to say, this is November twenty second,

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This is I was fifteen years old. That was thirty

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five years ago. It happened actually nearly thirty five years ago.

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My birthday is on the tenth of November, and the

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incident that I'm talking about actually happened on the eleventh

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of November of nineteen eighty eight. My friend and my brother,

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with my best friend and my brother, we were going

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to go camping and go fishing, and we were going

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to go and set up camp and have everything ready

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so that we could wake up early. And you know,

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we were camping next to a lake. Now the place

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that I lived, now, this happened in Sheppard, Texas, and

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the place that I lived it was called Lake Choctaw,

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and Lake Chalktaw has a history of its almost akin

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to I would almost say Skinwalker Ranch in a sense,

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but not exactly. We weren't experiencing like you know, like

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the giant wolves and things like that. No, but there

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were a lot of things that did happen out there

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that were odd. For example, one thing, there was an

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old man who did have a cabin next to that lake,

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and when I talked to him, he used to tell me.

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I asked him like, what would he do there? Because

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a kid, and I'm thinking, why are you just sitting

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out here drinking beer staring at the lake. And That's

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actually what I asked him. And he told me, I

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like watching the ball lightning, and he told me about

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the different colored ball lightning. And I thought the man

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was crazy. Well, again, we were going to go camping

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and we get everything there and I realized that the

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clock that we brought it didn't have the battery had

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fallen out of it, and so we didn't have a

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time it was. So I decided that I'm going to

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go back home, and it's almost getting dark, and so

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they were going to stay there, my brother and my

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best friend, they were going to stay there where we

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were going to camp while I went back home, and

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I was just going to kind of jog because you know,

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there in the dark either, and it was dark now.

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a it's like a circular road that would go around

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the entire place. We just called it the lease. It

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was a lease, and there was a circle that went

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all the way around, and then there was another one

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that would go right through the middle of it that

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kind of cut that circle in half. I'm following the

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circle back around. And where I lived was if you

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came in as you're coming in off the main like

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you're coming in off the main road, you're coming into

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the lease, there was a gate and then once you

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get inside of that gate, you know, you would just

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go down a little waves and on the left we

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lived there, and it was where it was almost like

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driving into a tunnel of trees, because it was it

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was a canopy of trees over our home and on

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both sides of the street now, but before you got there,

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on the right hand side, there was a field and

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the field was worked by a man named Schrader, mister Strader,

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and we knew him as kids. He would always tell us,

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you know, take you know, keep an eye on the

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field for me. And so we would see him when

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he would be out there, and there were a few

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times that he was out there late. And when he

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was out there late, you would see his tractor and

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that big tractor would have these lights on it. But

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whenever I came down the road, is I'm coming back

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to go home to you know, get the batteries and

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you know, work through the clock. As of coming back

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on the right hand side, almost the very back of

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the field, there's a light there. I thought it was,

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you know, the light of the tractor, but then I thought, well,

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there's just one light and his tractor had two lights

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on the top. And so as I'm seeing this light,

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just walking real slowly watching this light. And as I

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get up to the fence of that field, I look

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to the right to see was mister Strader's truck there

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or you know, did I see anything with a gate

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open for that field whether it wasn't. And as I'm

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and I'm trying to understand what is this light? And

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as the light just just starts to lift up and

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it gives him about tree level and it just starts

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coming toward toward me. But as I said, it was

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on the back right hand side of the field, and

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it starts coming toward the middle of the field and

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forward and to the center of the field, and I

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don't know what to think. I was kind of froze

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at first. I thought, what is this helicopter doing out here?

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the center of the field that I realized that it's

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not making any sound, and I was kind of I'd

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have to say, I was a bit froze for a moment.

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I just didn't know what to think because I've just

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watched this, you know, this light lift up. I mean,

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it's just wild. It's you know, it's crazy to see.

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But then I don't know how to explain it. But

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I felt really excited. And our home, like I said,

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was just a little further down this dirt road to

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the left, and I wanted to see this thing better.

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And I ran and that thing was my father had

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just bought binoculars like that week, and I knew where

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it's like, I knew where they were. And that was

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the first thing that came to my mind, was if

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I when I wanted to see this better, I thought,

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I can, you know, I just run home, get in

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the house really fast, and get those binoculars and come back.

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And so I took off. I wanted to see this

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thing closer. I took off, and I got once I

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went into the canopy, like I said, it was already dark.

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But once I went into that canopy, it's just it's

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so hard to see. There were no lights on to Truthfully,

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we were very poor and we had no electricity at

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the time, and this light it followed me as I

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went to as I went home, it came. It kind

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of followed behind me, and it stopped at the front

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left corner of the field, behind the trees, and through

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the trees you could see like the rays of light

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come through this extremely bright blue white light, and it

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lit up that entire place, almost like daytime, but it

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was just a different color. It was just a like

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I say, a blue white color. And I was shaking

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trying to get the key in the lock and get

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it open, and I finally I got it open and

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I ran in and the binoculars were right there. I

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grabbed them and I come running out, and as I

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ran out, that light drifted away. And I have to say, now,

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this is one thing I I didn't mention. It looked

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like a single light when it was on the ground,

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and when it lifted up. I don't know at what

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point that it changed, but it's almost as if I

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realized that it wasn't just a ball of light, but

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it was whenever I first saw it, that is what

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it was. It was just a ball of light there.

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But as it came forward at some point, I know,

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I don't know when, but it turned into a triangle.

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a pyramid, not triangular like I see a lot of

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the UFO pictures, where like a flat triangle. I mean

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it was like a pyramid standing up. It had these

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and the lights looked like as if they were a

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light on each corner. And so it at some point,

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like I say, changed from being a ball to this

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pyramid which looked like three lights. And when I come

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running back out, it drifted away from me, back towards

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the center of the field, but it didn't quite go

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back as far as it did before, so it was

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it was closer. And I'm trying to get the binoculars out,

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and I'm just staring at this thing the whole time,

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and I'm trying to lift it up, and my hands

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were strare. I didn't realize how much I was shaking

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until I tried to lift the binoculars up and something

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actually I kind of I say, I would say odd,

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because as I lifted the binoculars to my eye, and

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I didn't think about this till later, but I still

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whatever that was, I feel like it knew I was

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about to burn my own eyes solt with these binoculars

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looking at this light because it was so bright, and

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as I was getting trying to hold the binoculars up,

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like I said, shape, I was shaking too much really

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to hold them. But as I'm trying to pull them up,

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those lights turned off. But they went off like stadium lights,

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you know, slowly. They didn't just turn off, They just

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dimmed down until they were off. And then once I,

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like I said, I couldn't hold the binoculars steady and

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I had to put it on the fence. I propped

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the binoculars on the fence and was trying to look

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through there, and I realized that it was just like

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a disc shape. I don't know how it was ever,

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you know, the ball shape or the pyramid shape, because

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it had the light on the top. Like I said,

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it was looked like lights on three corners, but there

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were no corners and there was no point at the

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top for there to be a light there. I don't

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know how that worked. I just know that there were

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three lights they turned off. There was nothing there. It

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wasn't that far, that's the thing. It was not that

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far from me. This thing was probably i'd say fifty

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to sixty yards away. It wasn't that far. And when

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I tried to look through it with the binoculars. I

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realized that there was there was nothing there other than

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just this disc. I was trying to see, if you know,

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I don't know, for some reason in my mind, I

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was looking for windows. I don't know why I thought that,

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but I you know, I never saw a UFO before,

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and so I'm looking to try to see if I

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can see through a window. But all I could see

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was these small lights at the towards the bottom, and

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they were just flashing like different colors. They were really

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small lights. And I can't say really how long this lasted.

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I was just froze staring at it. Eventually I stopped

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looking trying to look through the binoculars because it was

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too difficult, and I'm just staring at it. And as

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I stopped looking, you know, through the binoculars, those lights

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seemed to get a little brighter. And after actually what

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seemed to be an eternity, it really felt like a

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long time that I was there, that disc started to

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drift backward to about the same position it was in

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when it very first came forward, and it it rested therefore,

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I think, I said, I don't know how long but

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several minutes, and then all of a sudden, as if

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it was attached to a rubber band that was stretched

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out and just let go, and it just shot up.

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And when it shot up, whatever speed it was going,

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it was almost as if it started off at top speed.

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It just that's the only thing I can come up

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with to compare it to with us, as if it

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was attached to the bottom of a rubber band, you know,

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allowed to go. And I stared it just went so

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high to it just turned to like a dot, like

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a you know, I watched it turn into like a dot,

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and I just couldn't stop staring at it until it,

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you know, went away, and I left the binoculars there

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and everything. I ran. I ran to go back to

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the place we were camping. And when I got there.

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Now to me, I say, that lasted a long time.

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But I mean in minutes. You know, I can't imagine

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standing there looking at a UFO for too long without it,

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you know, leaving. But anyways, it just seemed like a

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long time as in minutes. But I've ran went back

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a friend and brother and I'm trying to tell them

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and they're they're already asleep. They're in the inside of

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the tent sleeping and I start, you know, check out,

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grabbed my friend by the leg and I'm trying to

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tell him, you know, hey, man, I saw a UFO.

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I saw Ufo. I saw a UFO. I kept saying that,

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and it woke h up. They were like dead asleep

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and he's looking at me like wiping his eyes, and

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he's like, where have you been? And I just saw

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a Ufo. He's like, man, what are you drinking? I said, dude,

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I saw a Ufo. And my brother had woken up

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and he's staring at me and he said the same thing.

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Where have you been? I said, I saw a Ufo.

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I kept repeating I saw a Ufo. Well actually they

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were like whatever, you know, and started to lay back down.

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And actually, to be honest with you, it made me

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mad because to me, I just saw the most insane

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thing I've ever seen in my life. And I'm trying

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to tell him and I'm immediately not being believed, and

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I yeah, just mad. And so as I started to

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tell him again, but as I I turned, because like

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I said, I was mad, I turned and over the

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lake there was another light coming, just a blue light.

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And I had explained it. It was like a blue

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soft light, and it looked I'd have to say, it

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looked like about the size of a large beach ball.

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At least that's what it looked like to me at

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the you know, at the time. Well, when I saw that,

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I just, you know, I yelled, there's another one. There's

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another one. There's another one. And he looked, you know,

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kind of looked at me. I leaned and I reached

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I grabbed him by his leg and I started pulling

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him out, and he set up. I grabbed him by

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his hair and pulled him out and like pointed his

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head at the light. I said, there, and then he

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stood up, and then my brother came out. And this

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light was moving so slow they were able to put

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their shoes on, and I actually I believe he tied

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his shoes. I don't remember now, but I know that

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we were walking following the thing, and it was coming

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over the lake. Well when we came back to you know,

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we're going to follow this thing. And like I said, before,

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this lease it had a road that went all the

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way around it, and then it had the one that

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cut through the middle, which it wasn't much of a road,

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it was almost more of a pathway. We walked over there,

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and we waited for it to come toward us, and

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we walked behind it, and we followed that thing. We

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walked all the way back to where I told them

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I saw the first one. It went right to that

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same place, and it did the same thing when it

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when it got to that part where the other one

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had shot into the sky, this blue this blue globe,

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it's like it turned off and then these little lights

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underneath of it turned on and the same thing, like

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I said, as if it was attached to a rubber

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band and just, you know, let go. And it was

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in this guy. It was like in space almost instantly.

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And I was like, you know, I couldn't believe it.

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I was, And so of course me, I'm saying, like

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I told you, I told you, I told you. You know,

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it went back to the same place. This is where

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I told you it went. And like I said, I

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had left the binoculars there, and I realized then that

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the binoculars are still on the fence post. I grabbed

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the binoculars. Okay, now here's another thing. My parents were

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out of town. We were there alone. My parents were

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out of town, and they were coming in in the

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morning and I grabbed the binoculars in the box that

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they were in, and we went back home, and I

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couldn't help, but that's all we were talking about. And

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I immediately grabbed a sketch book and was just trying

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to sketch all the different ways that I saw as

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it was, you know, again, that's when I really started

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to realize, Hey, wait a minute, that thing changed from

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a ball to a pyramid. You know, that's really when

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I really that kind of sunk in. But I could

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still never tell, you, like, when that happened. So I

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immediately just start drawing sketches of this, you know, trying

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to from when I very first saw it and what

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you know, when it followed me and I'm kept, you know,

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and of course I just kept retelling the story to them,

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and and it didn't seem like long. It started to

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get light, and my parents were coming home at that time.

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They were they were coming home, like I don't know

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exactly what time it was, but it wasn't far after daybreak,

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long after daybreak, and I'm telling it. I'm excited telling

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them about it, and I'm telling my dad. Now, my dad,

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he was actually I guess in the UFOs I didn't.

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I didn't know that he was much in the UFOs

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and I knew that, you know, we would talk about

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ghosts and you know, paranormal stuff. And I don't really

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even recall talking to him about UFOs much at i'll,

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you know, But anyways, after I told him, I'm showing

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him these drawings, and he's like, where was it? You know,

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told me we go out there. And when we got

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out there and this this is like as the sun's

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coming up over the tree line of what would have

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been the side of the tree line on the side

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of the field closer to our home, and we were

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looking at this. We're going to go try to see

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if left any you know, there any like impressions in

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the ground. And I didn't. We didn't see impressions in

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the ground. But what we saw was something that looked

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like cotton candy and a circle. It was a like

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a white cotton candy. And whenever I, you know, whenever

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we saw that, my dad told me it's called angel hair.

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I'd never heard of that before. He said it was

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called angel hair. And I ran home and got a

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mayonnaise jar, an old you know, cleaned out Manna's jar,

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and took a stick and just started scraping that stuff

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in there into this mana'se jar because I wanted to

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save it, because to me, on like, we have to

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turn this in, we have to look, we have to

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get this analyzed. I mean, I was all about, we

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have to report this, we have to do this, we

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have to do that. While we were standing out there,

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as the sun completely came up, and as the usually

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fake there's dew on the grass, and the sun comes

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up and the sun starts to dry the dew off

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the grass, and we're still We're still out there talking.

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You know. Now, I think my mother came out there,

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and I believe someone else may have come out there.

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But as the sun come up, we realized that all

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of that stuff it just evaporated or something. That angel

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hair stuff, it evaporated. And whenever I went and I

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got to picked up the jar, but it looked like

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there was nothing in there. I don't know what happened

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to it. It just looked like it evaporated. But I

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brought it home. I kept that for a while. Then

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odd things started happening. Well, first off, I saw a

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line inside of my thumbnail under my thumbnail, under my

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left thumbnail. I saw this a line that was about,

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I don't know, I guess about a quarter inch long.

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And this was some days after actually, and I took

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a needle and just start scraping and scraping and scraping

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and scraping until I got down to that thing. I

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don't know why, but I had this feeling like, you know,

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there's something there. I don't know why, but I just

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had a feeling there's something there. I picked it out

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and it was like metal, you know. It made me

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think of like a metal bristle off of a you know,

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a wire brush. But I think there's no way that

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that could have gotten under there. After I took that out,

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I put it in a little jar, a little pimento jar.

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I wanted to save it because I felt for some reason,

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I don't know why, but I didn't think of anything

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about being abducted. I didn't actually, honestly that time, I

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didn't know anything about abduction, so it never crossed my mind.

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But for some reason I did think that somehow that

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was connected. And I don't even know why I connected

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it to that, because, like I said, I didn't know

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anything about abductions at the time. That most that I

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knew of was about the cows. In my mind, I

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just remember them being like dropped out of UFOs and

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you know, had their lips cut off and tongues and

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you know, the cattle mutilation stuff. That was as far

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as I knew anything about abductions. So again, I don't

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know why I connected that, but I did. And so,

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like I said, it was, I pulled that out. I

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saved it in the Pamento jar and I would check

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my I would check my fingernails every day. After that,

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I would just keep checking my fingernails, keep checking my

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and periodically another one would just appear and I would

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dig it out and get it out. And it was

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the same thing. And I was adding these little wire

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bristles to, you know, into this pammo jar. Now, after that,

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that whole thing happened. I didn't know why, but I

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started developing anxiety. And I didn't even even I didn't

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know what anxiety was. But I started having anxiety attacks,

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and I started having weird dreams. And one of the

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dreams that I was having was that I was a child,

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about five years old, and I remembered it was like

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in the dream, I remembered I was dreaming of something.

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That's what it seemed like. I'm dreaming of something that happened.

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And near that lake, my grandmother had a cabin there,

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and in front of that cabin was a small field.

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It was kind of like a yard for her cabin.

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And in the dream, I was standing in that field

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at night time and these lights were coming over the

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tree line from where the lake was at it these

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different colored lights coming out, and there was these there

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was discs that would come out, Hey, as if you

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drop a quarter on a table and it just makes

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that you know, goes around and around, not on the

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top edge end, but when it's like almost about to

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stop spinning and it's going to go flat. It was

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like these lights that were discs were coming out. They

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were going around me like that, almost as if it

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was a game. I remember laughing and watching these lights.

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But I'd never dreamed that before. Why it stood out

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so much when you have a dream that seems so real.

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But this didn't just seem like a dream that was

475
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real it now it was a memory. And then these

476
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,359
other little memories just kept opening up. It was these

477
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,680
little memories were just starting to I don't know how

478
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,599
to explain it but be released or something. But I

479
00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:58,480
would dream them. I would remember this as if it happened.

480
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,480
And I know it sounds crazy. I fear that I'm

481
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,079
saying it, but I mean that's just so the way

482
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:08,119
it was. But then my anxiety kept getting worse and

483
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,000
worse and worse, and I just couldn't get this out

484
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:14,039
of my mind, the whole incident of you know, the

485
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:17,440
seeing this UFO. I couldn't. That's where I was introduced

486
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,480
to Whitley Strieber. Actually, because I got the book Communion.

487
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:24,480
I wanted to because I've wanted to learn anything. I

488
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:28,480
became obsessed, I feel like about wanting to find out

489
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,799
what that was. And in this cabin that we lived in,

490
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,920
like I said, we had no electricity and it would

491
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,960
be so dark in there and I would be afraid

492
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,000
to wake up and not be able to see where

493
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,960
I was, and so I would try to find little

494
00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:50,119
lights or keep a flashlight with me because I became afraid.

495
00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:54,359
And actually I'd have to say that fear has followed

496
00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:58,000
me till today. Of going to sleep, I can't go

497
00:28:58,039 --> 00:29:00,880
to sleep without having a light on somewhere. I still

498
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,599
have a light on till now, grown man fifty years old.

499
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,160
I still keep a light on. I just I don't

500
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,960
know it affected me that much even until now. But

501
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,240
like I said, these dreams were I'm having these dreams

502
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,920
and as if I'm recalling memories. And then I had

503
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,119
a dream that I was older, because as I'm dreaming

504
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,000
these things, but as I'm dreaming them, it's like going

505
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,759
in a chronological order forward in age and have It's

506
00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:31,960
like I'm dreaming about different incidents where I've actually already

507
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000
seen it. When I thought that was the first time

508
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,880
I ever seen, you know, a UFO or something like that.

509
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,240
I started to have these recollections and a chronological order

510
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,319
through these dreams. Then it would be gaps and then

511
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,000
I would be a little older, and then another gap

512
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,279
that I'd be a little older as if I was

513
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:53,119
you know, if I were to look back at it now,

514
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,039
it would be as if I'd have to say it

515
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:58,839
was if I was being visited like at different times

516
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:02,880
in my life, and like maybe you know, every couple

517
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,279
of years or something. But at that age you grow

518
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:08,359
so fast. I could tell the difference in myself in

519
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,200
these dreams, and then those dreams caught up with my

520
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:14,920
current age. At the time, and I dreamed that I

521
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:18,240
was in a room and it was just a metal

522
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:21,839
room and it was cold. I was I don't know

523
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,599
what I was sitting on, but I know that I

524
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:26,480
couldn't move. But I was sitting, but sitting, uh, not

525
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:29,680
sitting down. I was kind of being held up. I

526
00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:33,960
was having that anxiety. I started having that anxiety in

527
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:39,079
that dream. I realized I'm nude. I don't have any

528
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:42,400
clothes on, and that was why I was so cold.

529
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:45,359
I guess it's the you know, when you recall the grave.

530
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,640
There were three of them in there. As I'm having

531
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,519
this anxiety attack, I start to feel emotional thinking about this,

532
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,880
but this one started to speak to me as to

533
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,160
calm me down, but it felt like as if it

534
00:30:58,279 --> 00:31:01,240
was a female. I realized they had placed something on

535
00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:05,519
me and it actually hurt, and they just walked out.

536
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,880
And then I don't remember anything after that because I

537
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,680
don't remember if I woke up or what. But that's

538
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,960
where that memory stops that kept following me. We moved

539
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,000
away from there and we moved to another place in Livingston, Texas.

540
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:21,799
The place that we lived in there were offices at

541
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:24,079
the bottom and apartments at the top, and we had

542
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:27,440
an apartment with and an office, you know, one above

543
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,640
the We have the apartment above the office. And I

544
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,000
remember thinking when I in my bedroom there. I don't

545
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,359
know why, but I was thinking, well, at least we're

546
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,359
up here. They can't get to me. And it was

547
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,440
so weird. I'd have thoughts like that, but I wouldn't

548
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,279
think about it any other time, but it would just

549
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,559
be certain moments that it would strike me like that.

550
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,759
I went in the room, I saw the window, and

551
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,119
I went to the window and I looked down and

552
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,200
I said, well, at least they can't get to me here,

553
00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:57,359
they can get to you there. And they did. And

554
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,680
it continued on through the time that I was there

555
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,039
through high school, and my anxiety just kept getting worse

556
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,680
and worse and worse, and it was getting to where

557
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,799
I would I would hide because I'd start to hyperventilate

558
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:13,480
from why I tell this this is crazier. I feel

559
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:17,000
like I sound. I remember seeing a doctor they wanted

560
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,720
to put me on Riddlin. When they gave me this medication.

561
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:23,400
All I know is it made me like a zombie.

562
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:27,759
And when I was on that medication, thing stopped for

563
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:31,160
a little while then I guess, I say, for a

564
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,440
little while, I think it was like in the very beginning,

565
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,640
thing stopped. But then I started to wake up with

566
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,599
them in there with me in this bedroom that I

567
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,359
felt was safe, thinking for some reason that on the

568
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,519
second floor was safe, and I'd wake up with them

569
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,319
there and I couldn't move, and that, can you know,

570
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,680
continued on through the time that we were there, and

571
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,000
we moved again, and they continued as we moved from

572
00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:58,759
place to place to place that we moved to, and

573
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,880
eventually it tapers are and where at least either it

574
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,160
wasn't happening or I couldn't recall it, as you know,

575
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,440
as far as those incidents happening.

576
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Speaker 1: But I would have to say there was another incident

595
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,360
that happened. It was near Cleveland, Texas. We went to

596
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,079
visit someone's home, stayed at their home for a couple

597
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:41,199
of nights while they were out of town. My father

598
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:44,719
and myself, my brother were and we were staying there

599
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,719
because my mom went home to visit her family, and

600
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,559
so we stayed there to watch these people's home for

601
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,119
them for I think it was like a weekend or something,

602
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,760
and it was pretty much in the woods. It was dark.

603
00:34:57,199 --> 00:35:01,280
We were watching TV and we has heard this, I guess,

604
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,239
like an explosion. We couldn't tell. It's not like something

605
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,119
hit the ground. You could feel the you could feel

606
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:08,960
the ground shape. We all jumped up and we ran

607
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,079
outside to look to see, you know, with what was that,

608
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,519
and couldn't see anything really, of course, it was so dark.

609
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:18,440
And my dad he was like, get in a car,

610
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:20,840
we're gonna go find it. We get in the car

611
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,960
and we're driving down this dirt road and he was

612
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:27,159
driving those dirt road with his lights off to try

613
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:29,880
to see if he saw anything, you know, in those places.

614
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,239
You know, now I'm used to being, you know, on

615
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,440
the Gulf coast you just can't see the can't see

616
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,559
the sky proper here, but there, you know, you can

617
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:40,599
see the Milky Way, and you know, you see all

618
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:43,360
these stars in the sky. It was it was beautiful.

619
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,280
And as we're going down watching, you know, trying to

620
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,679
look in the sky and see what, you know, is

621
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,000
there anything there, any moving things? Whatever? There was I

622
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:55,360
don't know how many helicopters. The people talk about the

623
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,880
flat triangular shape craft and it was going so slow,

624
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,920
I don't know how the heck it was staying in

625
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,480
the air because it was going so incredibly slow, and

626
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:11,280
these helicopters were all around it, and it was as

627
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,800
if they were escorting this thing. And where we were Cleveland, Texas,

628
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,480
and the direction they were going was toward Houston, and

629
00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:24,760
in that direction. Now this place isn't There's actually a

630
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,800
famous case. I don't remember if it's in New Caney

631
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,519
or Splendora, and I don't remember their names, but it

632
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:37,360
was the two women and the child where the this

633
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:40,480
was back in the seventies, I believe, seventies or early

634
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:44,239
eighties that time period, I believe. But anyways, these are

635
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,960
the ones where the I recall that the woman, I

636
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:54,119
believe they had like radiation effects on them, and one

637
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:56,400
of them like burning their hand on the car, and

638
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,559
I think it really affected the child mentally. You know.

639
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:03,000
When I to look back and try to learn more about,

640
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,679
you know, other places that they were sidings, I realized

641
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,960
that there were sightings happened pretty often in that area.

642
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:16,159
On Highway fifty nine, as you're leaving Shepherd, it comes

643
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,079
to a point with like the old highway coming out

644
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:22,920
of Shepherd and then the newer highway fifty nine coming

645
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,360
out of Shepherd, and right in that point there was

646
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,480
a shell gas station and my mother worked there, and

647
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:32,039
this was here. This would have been actually, this would

648
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:35,960
have been before I saw the UFO that I saw

649
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,199
in the field. She saw a triangular craft. But I

650
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,519
didn't know about this until later. Until later, after I

651
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,000
told her what I saw that they that's when she

652
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:50,119
told me, oh, yeah, I saw you know this. She

653
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:52,679
told me that she called my dad, and my dad

654
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,679
went outside and was trying to watch for it because really,

655
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,840
as the crow would fly where we were, it was

656
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:01,880
kind of a straight direct where she said it was going,

657
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:05,840
it would have come, you know, over where we lived.

658
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:09,239
But I don't believe my father actually saw it. But

659
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,000
another story she told me later on in life, which

660
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:17,599
is so wild. This makes me think something like something's

661
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:21,360
not right about this. But she told me that whenever

662
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,960
I was a kid and I was in school. Now,

663
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:28,840
remember I said, whenever I was coming back during the

664
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,440
time I saw that UFO in the field, when I

665
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:35,000
came to the field and then turned left with that

666
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:38,199
corner there, that corner property. We had to live there

667
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,920
when I was younger, and then we later moved to

668
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,400
the other cabin that was in that canopy of trees.

669
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,480
So at this time though, it was when we lived

670
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,880
on this corner property, and that was directly in front

671
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,320
of that field, and my mother told me that when

672
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,199
no one was there, we were at school and my

673
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,400
dad was at work, she said a helicopter came. She

674
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,920
said she was outside watering a and she remembered a

675
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,840
helicopter go and land in that field and then come

676
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:11,159
up and come toward her while she was standing there

677
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:14,519
in the yard, and it land in the yard, and

678
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:17,320
that there was a man staring at her. And then

679
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:21,039
after a while, because she said, she started walking backward

680
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:24,440
because she was scared, and then it helicopter lifted up

681
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:28,039
and left. And then the craziest thing, she said, I

682
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:31,440
didn't know there were helicopters that didn't make sound. So

683
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:35,920
to her, this helicopter, and I'm doing air quotes here,

684
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,280
this helicopter she saw wasn't making any sound. So I

685
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,880
don't know what kind of experience that was with her.

686
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,639
Is somehow something happened and it was imprinted on her.

687
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,960
She remembers it differently. I had no idea, but you

688
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:53,760
know that also was strange. I would have to say,

689
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:58,079
for the most part my experience. One of the things

690
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:02,480
that did was because I'm I was fifteen. I would

691
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:06,239
have to say I was a pretty open minded guy anyway.

692
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,280
But it made me realize to keep an open mind

693
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,000
because I knew at that time I'm not going to

694
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:18,280
be able to tell the story to just anybody and

695
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,199
them either just believe me or not tell me I'm

696
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:26,239
crazy or tell me I'm full of crap. It was,

697
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,280
you know, there were those options were more likely to

698
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,719
happen than someone saying, really tell me about that, you

699
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,400
know what I mean, this is just going to be

700
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,599
not happening in that type of way. And my best friend,

701
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:42,280
he did not like to talk about it. He didn't

702
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,960
want to talk about it. And one of the reasons

703
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,199
he didn't want to talk about it is because it

704
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,159
bothered him more. Because he would bring it up to me.

705
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:53,320
He would say, man, something happened to you. Something happened

706
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,599
to you, And like, why do you say that? He said,

707
00:40:55,639 --> 00:41:01,480
there's no way you ran home and ran back, but

708
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:05,199
it was morning right after and that they had gone

709
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:07,559
to sleep. He's like, dude, something happened to you. Man,

710
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,320
I just didn't remember anything happening I just remembered what

711
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,599
I saw, and so to me, I just saw like

712
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:15,079
what I told you this, you know, saw the UFO

713
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,519
that whole experience went back told them, and you know,

714
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:19,320
that was what I saw. I didn't see anything else

715
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:25,000
until later on. I started, you know, having these you know, dreams,

716
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,320
and I wouldn't say reoccurring dreams, but it would just be,

717
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:32,440
like I said, following this line, and then I would

718
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,440
have to say, like the last dream that I did

719
00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:38,880
have about having a dream from something that may have happened,

720
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,280
I actually dreamed after the dream that I had where

721
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:46,000
I was in that room with those three I guess

722
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:49,079
grays whatever they are. There was a dream that I

723
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:53,960
had where I was at that field watching that In

724
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,320
the dream, I had fallen down or on my back,

725
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,360
as if I had fallen down. Bothered me so much

726
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,840
because I knew that I had never actually fallen down.

727
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,480
I never fell down, but I dreamed when I would

728
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:11,119
dream about that for some reason, and that was a

729
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:15,079
dream that would be recurring that I would dream and

730
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:18,280
I almost feel like it was recurring because I wouldn't

731
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,079
accept it for some reason, because I felt like no

732
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,840
I lived that I was actually there and that did

733
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,000
not happen. The other things, as I said, they weren't

734
00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:31,800
recurring dreams. Those dreams started from whatever age of like five,

735
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,400
I believe, up until the age of fifteen to that

736
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:38,599
actual incident. But it was that incident, the dream about

737
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:42,039
that incident. It was. Things were right up until like

738
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,519
this whole I'm on my you know, fallen down thing.

739
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,559
And I mean, so I guess maybe that may have been.

740
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:51,000
If I'm going to just go along with it and say, okay,

741
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:53,239
yeah I was abducted. Man, if I'm going to go

742
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,559
along with that, I guess I would say that maybe

743
00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:00,360
that incident that happened that was at that time. Otherwise

744
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,360
I don't know, but yeah, that was a recurrent dream.

745
00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:05,880
And then, like I said, I guess I just couldn't

746
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,519
accept it or wouldn't accept it, and eventually I just thought, Okay,

747
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,039
I guess it's a possibility, and then I stopped having

748
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,880
the dreams. But I mean, really that pretty much sums

749
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,760
up my you know, as far as like the UFO

750
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,039
stuff goes. But you know, that's that pretty much sums

751
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:24,239
it up. Made me have an open mind for things

752
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,840
that I may not believe. You know, I may hear

753
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,039
someone saying because as I'm saying to you that, I

754
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:33,719
know I sound crazy when I'm saying this. I know

755
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,400
that if I was listening to this, I would probably

756
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,159
be like mm hm. So I knew that then that

757
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,079
if I tell anyone, that's how it would be received.

758
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,320
But obviously I actually saw it. So yeah, it it

759
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,960
helped me to have an open mind to things, and

760
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:53,000
I'm I'm actually grateful for that. If it's nothing else,

761
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:56,280
I'm grateful for it helping me to keep an open

762
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,360
mind because I think that's important. When you hear someone

763
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,480
who is telling you about something that they're giving you

764
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:09,360
a sincere story that may sound just crazy, but you know,

765
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,159
for that person that's there, that was their life, they

766
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:14,440
lived it. But yeah, that's pretty much it.

767
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 3: For that interesting stuff. Michael.

768
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's definitely interesting in a way still till now.

769
00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:24,679
To me, it's just on one hand of yeah, these

770
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,599
things happened, Well I know the thing what I saw,

771
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:30,000
I know that happened. It was there's nothing that can't

772
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:33,000
change that. Yeah, no, I that's I know that. And

773
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,559
then like I say, there was I say physical evidence.

774
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:39,639
I had never heard of angel hair before my father

775
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,639
said that. But then again, like I said, I'd never

776
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:45,039
heard of or known about abductions other than like the

777
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:49,119
cow of you know, cow mutilations, cattle mutilations. But it

778
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:53,079
was after that, later on I did see an episode

779
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:55,920
and this flight flew me away. I don't remember what

780
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:59,400
show it was, but it was they were talking about

781
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,800
like some you UFO that came down to a college,

782
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:05,760
and I guess this was back in the forties or

783
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,639
fifties or something like that, and this UFO had come

784
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,800
and down on this campus. It had that same kind

785
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,360
of stuff falling out of it, some sort of white

786
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,840
cotton candy looking stuff, and they I heard them call

787
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,719
it an angel hair. That's the only time I've ever

788
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,719
heard that again from what I saw, So I don't

789
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,800
know how my father knew to call it angel hair.

790
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:29,719
I have no idea.

791
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's been several instances where they've been a

792
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,039
UFO encounter of some sort, and there's been this strange

793
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:42,400
substance reported, not since the UFOs has been reported around

794
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:45,679
movastations of Mary in the past, but it's somebody has

795
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:47,920
been around for a good while. And I think you

796
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,199
were talking about the cat Landrum Dayton Texas.

797
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: Okay, Dayton, Okay, Yeah, it either happened there or they

798
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,800
were from there, or they were from the other place

799
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,760
and it happened there. But I do know somehow seeither

800
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,079
New Cane, your splendor of plays in there. Somehow I

801
00:46:02,119 --> 00:46:05,440
just don't remember, or maybe one of them was from there,

802
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,079
any other they I don't really recall. But I believe

803
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:11,039
they had gone to play bingo or something and when

804
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:13,480
they saw that. I could be wrong, but I believe

805
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:14,320
that's what happened.

806
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,679
Speaker 3: I think they'd gone out for a meals or something

807
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,559
and that was in I think it was nineteen eighty

808
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:20,639
when that happened.

809
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:21,199
Speaker 1: Okay.

810
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 3: You know, it's a very big state and there was

811
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,239
a lot of historic sightings from the Lone Star State.

812
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:31,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't realize how how many until I started

813
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:33,800
to look back and see, like you know, I was

814
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,559
just trying to see. What I wanted to do was

815
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:38,920
see where we're sightings reported so I could kind of

816
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,480
plot it out and see, like where was it happening

817
00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:43,800
in Texas. I didn't realize there were so many.

818
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:46,519
Speaker 3: The shore is a lot. When you saw your back

819
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:49,480
in nineteen eighty eight, you know you're you're your campaign.

820
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:53,159
You were fishing and saw this first object in this field,

821
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,880
what size would you give this object?

822
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,119
Speaker 1: I would have to say that when it was in

823
00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:02,199
the back Okay, now, one thing that I did forget

824
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,840
to say whenever it was in that field in the

825
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,519
back corner, and it looked like a like a globe

826
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:12,639
or it was like a ball at that time. You know,

827
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,519
when someone walks in front of a light, you know,

828
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:17,960
even at a distance, you can see that someone walks

829
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,440
through there. It did seem like there was some sort

830
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,920
of movement in front of that light, and I did

831
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,199
forget to say that it did seem that there was.

832
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,679
And actually that was one of the reasons that I

833
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,480
was really confused because I thought, I thought, no, it

834
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,280
couldn't be mister Strader's tractor because he has two lights

835
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,840
on his tractor. And then I saw that and then

836
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,840
I thought, well, okay, well maybe it is him. Maybe

837
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,559
one light just went out. And I never really thought

838
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:48,320
about that until later. You know that, Okay, something was

839
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,159
outside of that. You know, at some point I saw

840
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:53,360
that movement, So I don't know what was out there.

841
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,840
And as far as the size, it was about fifteen

842
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,079
feet wide and about well, whatever was the pier. When

843
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:03,480
it turned into the pyramid shape, it kind of morphed

844
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:07,119
in the different shapes. But when it was the ball

845
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,840
as as far as wide, it looked like maybe fifteen

846
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,440
to eighteen feet wide and fixed to seven feet tall.

847
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,760
I don't believe it could have been taller than that.

848
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:20,599
Speaker 3: Between the first and the second object across the lake,

849
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:22,360
do you think they were the same object?

850
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:25,639
Speaker 1: You know? Actually I couldn't say, because I watched the

851
00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:28,480
first one go into the sky, go up until it

852
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:31,679
turned into like a spec and I wondered whether other

853
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,519
ones around could it have gone up and then came

854
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,719
back down somewhere else. Blue light of the one that

855
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,920
came across the lake was a deep blue color, and

856
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,440
a matter of fact, as we were walking behind it,

857
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:47,920
because like I said, it was going so slow. It

858
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,119
was going so we were walking a slow pace. We

859
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:54,480
weren't trying to hurry to catch up or anything barely

860
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:58,480
floating and it was tree level. And now that one, though,

861
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:01,039
actually was smaller, I would have I don't believe it

862
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:03,519
may have been the same because that seemed smaller, and

863
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,159
I remember thinking like maybe this was like some kind

864
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:08,559
of probe or something that came out of the other one,

865
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,719
But I don't know that. I just know that it

866
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,639
was a deeper blue color, and it seemed to be

867
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:17,320
smaller and was like a size of like a large

868
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,079
beach ball. And then with the light coming off of it,

869
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:24,559
the light looked almost tangible if you could see the

870
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:26,559
light coming off of it. I think it was the

871
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:29,760
light that was coming off of it made it look larger.

872
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,840
Like I said, it was going really slow. It's so

873
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:35,920
dark out there. We were walking by the light, the

874
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,400
light that it was shining down in that path, because

875
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,480
otherwise it would have been pitch black. We couldn't have

876
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,400
walked through there without that light. We didn't grab a flashlight.

877
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,519
We didn't think to grab one. We were just so

878
00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:50,559
in awe of this light. And remember my friend putting

879
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:54,360
his shoes on, and but yeah, we just we walked

880
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,119
behind it and we walked in the light of it

881
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,519
that it was casting there, because other like I said,

882
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:02,079
it would have been too dark. We couldn't have walked

883
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:04,440
through there without a flashlight. But it was lighting this

884
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:07,599
place up. The other one lit up that entire area

885
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,199
underneath that canopy. It was like these rays of light

886
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,440
coming through it just lit that whole place up. The

887
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,199
other one was like a lighter, it was like a

888
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,039
white blue, and that one was a dark blue.

889
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 3: So it was an illuminating all the surroundings, the canopy

890
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,119
of the trees, and it was produced enough light so

891
00:50:24,159 --> 00:50:24,559
you had.

892
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: Enough visual to follow absolutely.

893
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 3: And then it went in the same direction as the

894
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,719
original object, to the same field.

895
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,199
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, it went to the very same place. So,

896
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,119
like I said, I was telling my friend, telling him

897
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:39,239
how everything happened. How you know, it came up and

898
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,440
it went here, and then it went back, and I

899
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:41,800
went in to the house, and you know, I was telling

900
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,599
him the whole story. And but yeah, it went back,

901
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,679
I say, basically from where I remember the other one

902
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,760
being when it went up, that's where this one went.

903
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,360
It went there, and like I say, the light, the

904
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,800
light changed on it. And another thing that is always

905
00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:01,800
posited me. They moved so fast, They were so fast,

906
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,679
but it didn't make any kind of beads. They were going.

907
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,760
You would think there would be some sort of sound,

908
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,920
if not like a sonic boom, but you would think

909
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,800
there would be some sort of sound. Not the slightest whisper, nothing,

910
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:17,239
no hum, no nothing, no no sound at all.

911
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,599
Speaker 3: Even when it was moving across the lake and end

912
00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:23,039
at the path, there was no zero sound, complete silence. Right,

913
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,719
And when did the dreams that seemed to have been

914
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,880
going a linear age path? When did you have your

915
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,280
final one? When did that cease the dreams?

916
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: And I was in my twenties, I'd have to say

917
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,320
that I was probably about twenty five or twenty six,

918
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,840
I believe so, and was so odd. Actually talked to

919
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:45,159
Art Bell and Bud Hopkins one night, kind of I've

920
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:47,880
wanted to call and talk every time I thought, you know,

921
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,880
heard Bud Hopkins was on, man, I was on the line.

922
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,280
I wanted to talk to Bud Hopkins. I wanted to

923
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,840
tell him my story. And I did talk to them.

924
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:02,119
I was the last caller that they ran out of time,

925
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:04,960
and I was the guy that was I was able

926
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,239
to tell America good night. Ninety eight, ninety nine, probably

927
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,280
ninety eight. Yeah, I tried, man, I tried for a

928
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,360
long time, and I finally got in and it was

929
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:16,760
I was able to tell them a little bit. Think

930
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,480
about it. I actually told him about the metal thing

931
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,119
in my finger nail, and I don't remember what Bud

932
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:24,960
Hopkins said, but that was pretty much that was like

933
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,679
the end of the show. So I did get to

934
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:29,440
say that, and then it was okay. It was like

935
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,639
good night to America, right. You know. That's another thing.

936
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,519
I was saving those things under my nail. I was

937
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:38,079
saving those and I would put them in a like

938
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:41,639
this pimento jar. They kept coming back. I had actually

939
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,840
come back so many times I had. I found a

940
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,280
way to get them out without you know, because I

941
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,400
was like cut like a line in my thumbnail with

942
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,880
a needle, just going back and forth until I could

943
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,800
get to that. And I found a better way to

944
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,280
get to it, so I could just get it from

945
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,000
the you know, like the front point and pull it out.

946
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,960
And I was saving those things, and then one day

947
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,360
they're just they were gone. I have no idea what

948
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,440
happened to them. They were just gone because I kept that.

949
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,719
I kept that jar in the same place. And then

950
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,880
I was going to tell someone about it. Because see

951
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,360
that's the thing. Like my friend he was he didn't

952
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,920
like to talk about it, my brother, and you know,

953
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:23,119
he wasn't he wasn't thrilled to talk about it, but

954
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,119
you know he would, but he wouldn't bring it up.

955
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:26,679
Speaker 2: Me.

956
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: On the other hand, now I wanted to talk about it.

957
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,280
I wanted to talk about it. I wanted to know

958
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,400
what it was. I wanted to know as many people

959
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,880
as I could who had experienced that. I wanted to

960
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,119
talk about it. I was very open about it.

961
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:43,639
Speaker 3: Your dream stopped about twenty five twenty six. What about

962
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,719
in the last twenty five years, has there been any

963
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,000
incidents which kind of stand out in any way?

964
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: Well, I have seen things, but I don't recall now

965
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,119
if we're you know, just saying saying on the topic

966
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:59,840
of UFOs, that I have seen some UFOs, but nothing

967
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,239
to a degree that I saw at the time. When

968
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,840
I was fifteen, I actually tried to take pictures of

969
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,880
something that I saw after it. This was after Hurricane Katrina. See,

970
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,599
I lived here. I looked around the like I said,

971
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:17,400
on the Gulf coast, and after Katrina, all the lights

972
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,119
were out, you know, so you could actually see the sky.

973
00:54:20,679 --> 00:54:23,119
And so I saw, I'm just gonna go and look

974
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:27,559
while it's so dark and put it on a time

975
00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:30,360
or whatever to you know, take pictures at night. And

976
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:33,920
I was setting my camera up, just propping it up

977
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:38,039
and taking pictures over the water. It was so odd.

978
00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:40,840
I even called when I did have the picture. I

979
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,000
just I called it crazy, or that's what I titled

980
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,440
the picture, labeled it because there were three. But in

981
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,519
one of the pictures, I had no idea what it was,

982
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:57,440
but there was a green light in there and it

983
00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:00,920
had like a tracer behind it. But of course, you know,

984
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:05,000
it was on a slow shutter speed for being you know, nighttime.

985
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,079
And all I can say is, as far as this

986
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,719
goes like, you know, I didn't I didn't see a

987
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,440
light in the sky. I was standing there waiting for

988
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,320
the you know, for the camera to finished this long

989
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:22,000
exposure picture. I never saw a light, but there was

990
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,440
like green light, but I never saw it with my

991
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:28,800
own eyes. And so you know, when it comes to

992
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:33,000
things like that, I tend to think like, okay, maybe

993
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,920
it is a legitimate something, but also it's a digital camera,

994
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,840
and maybe it was something else. I don't know, not

995
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,840
as not, like I say, not not to the degree

996
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:44,679
that I saw.

997
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,159
Speaker 3: No no dreams or any or anything like that. It's

998
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:50,039
been pretty quiet since the age of twenty five twenty six.

999
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,039
Speaker 1: But as far as like dreams, I really think that

1000
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,639
for the most part, those dreams stopped and it was odd.

1001
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,320
But when I was in my thirties, I started to

1002
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,920
have that first dream that I had before when I

1003
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,159
was younger, of those lights coming out of the lake.

1004
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,320
I saying, they're coming out of the lake. I couldn't

1005
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,440
see the lake in the dream. I was standing in

1006
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,320
that field beside the lake, and there was a tree

1007
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,400
line that went around the lake at that portion of

1008
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,360
the lake, and the lights were coming up from the

1009
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,800
other side of those trees. Because it has just been

1010
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,039
this tree line and the lake on the other side.

1011
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:30,960
Now where they came from exactly, I don't know. They

1012
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,760
could have just floated over there, the same as the

1013
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,360
blue one floated that we followed on foot. But they

1014
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,199
were coming up out of the from the other side

1015
00:56:40,679 --> 00:56:43,159
and then back down into the field, and they would

1016
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,280
bounce around, and the other ones looked like coins wobbling,

1017
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,480
I guess to call it. I started to have that

1018
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:54,960
dream again when I was in my thirties, but I

1019
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,480
don't know why. Now I do want to say this.

1020
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:03,719
I know this is off topic from UFOs, but there's

1021
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,679
something I don't know. If you've ever heard of the

1022
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,960
Saratoga lights, I'm sure you've probably heard of, like the

1023
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:15,079
Martha lights. Sure, yeah, Okay, well, there's also something called

1024
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:19,239
Saratoga Lightsness in Saratoga, Texas. It's me and that same guy,

1025
00:57:20,119 --> 00:57:22,599
my friend that was camping with me. We had heard

1026
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:26,519
about this light and now at this point we were

1027
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,079
I think about eighteen or nineteen, and we wanted to

1028
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:34,320
go see this for ourselves. We wanted to go and

1029
00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:36,920
check it out, and we brought our girlfriends with us.

1030
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,280
They wanted to go, and we found out later that

1031
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,440
was going to be a bad idea, but we went

1032
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:44,639
and we sat and you're just on this dirt road

1033
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:47,519
and it's just pitch black, and sure enough, there was

1034
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:51,000
a light that came out and it back and forth,

1035
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:53,000
and it was so hard to tell it's, you know,

1036
00:57:53,039 --> 00:57:56,400
to judge the distance of it from you. And it

1037
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,800
started out at the distance and it was the color

1038
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,920
of the light would change from like an orange to

1039
00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:05,400
red color and sometimes to like a yellow color, but

1040
00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:09,039
always like a yellowish and orangish reddish colors. And then

1041
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:12,800
it would just change in size. But it was going

1042
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,000
back and forth across this road. Now, of course, the

1043
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:19,840
story is like many of this dirt road. Now I

1044
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,840
believe this is true. Though that dirt road is on

1045
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:27,159
top of an old railroad track. But the story is,

1046
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:32,159
of course that it's some guy that worked on the

1047
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:35,599
railroads or something and would walk with the lights to

1048
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,159
check the tracks. Then somehow fell on the track or something,

1049
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,280
and of course the train come and he lost his

1050
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,920
head and now he's looking for his head. That's a story.

1051
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,119
But I've heard that same kind of story so many times.

1052
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:49,079
There were so many of those types of things. I

1053
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:51,159
don't know what it is, but I will say we

1054
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:54,039
did see that light and it was going back and

1055
00:58:54,119 --> 00:58:57,559
forth across the road. Now the girls with this, they

1056
00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:02,280
started to like panic, But me and my friend we're like, nah,

1057
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,800
we're waiting to see what this this. We're gonna wait.

1058
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:08,239
That thing came back and forth, back and forth, back

1059
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,280
and forth, and slowly toward it, slowly towards until it

1060
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,920
actually got right there. We were in a truck. It

1061
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,760
was an old B ten Chevy leave it at C

1062
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,679
one ten or C ten full size Chevy truck, and

1063
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:25,360
that light came through the cab of that truck. And

1064
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,400
it was so weird because it turned inside of that cab.

1065
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,320
It lit up inside of there. And why I say

1066
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,960
it was bad for us to have brought our girlfriends

1067
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,559
with us is. I didn't know it at the time,

1068
00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:43,599
but my girlfriend was so weird. They were screaming, but

1069
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:46,559
it couldn't hear them as that light was coming through.

1070
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,199
But my girlfriend had latched onto my arm and her

1071
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,960
fingernails were just embedded into my arm. But I didn't

1072
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,199
know it until after that thing come through. And it

1073
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,599
was so odd. And I have to say it now.

1074
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:04,920
My friend he said he experienced the same thing. It

1075
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:07,599
was as this. It was as if things got slow

1076
01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:11,480
or something, because I could see both of those girls

1077
01:00:11,559 --> 01:00:14,840
screaming and I couldn't hear them, but it wasn't a

1078
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,880
normal screen. It almost looked like they were froze. And

1079
01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:20,880
as the light passed through, it was like someone turned

1080
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,599
the volume up, you know, or the sound come back on,

1081
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,480
and they were screaming so loud. And yeah, I had

1082
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:31,559
some her fingernails dug at me and my friend I

1083
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:34,239
don't remember. I think he was I think she scratched

1084
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,719
him too or something. I don't remember, but I know

1085
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,719
that my girlfriend at the time, she was very unhappy

1086
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,639
with us. That was another thing that me and him

1087
01:00:42,679 --> 01:00:45,400
experienced together that you know, was really cool. But again,

1088
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,840
it was so odd. Was that after we saw that.

1089
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,880
I was very open about it, but he didn't like

1090
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,159
to talk about it much. It's kind of odd how

1091
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,400
how different people respond. I think he didn't believe it

1092
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,159
was even going to be there. I didn't know when

1093
01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:01,280
he invited me to go. I had never heard of

1094
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,480
that before, and so I was kind of excited to go.

1095
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,960
And actually I had never heard the Marshal lights. I

1096
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,280
didn't hear about the Marshal lights until I was, you know, much.

1097
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:13,119
Speaker 3: Older the lights of Saratoga. I'm pretty sure I've had

1098
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:15,960
a guest on that as seen the same lights. But

1099
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,760
they're interesting and these lights awes of lights. He have

1100
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,119
a lot of interest in Texas.

1101
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when I think about it, well, you

1102
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,880
have the Marvel lights, you have the Saratoga lights, and

1103
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,639
I believe there are some other ones. And the thing

1104
01:01:27,679 --> 01:01:32,199
about it is that the Alabamaka Shada Native Americans that

1105
01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:36,119
lived there. A friend of mine, Wendel, he told me

1106
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,920
about those lights and about where he lived on the

1107
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:46,639
Alabama Shada Reservation, that they saw them there, and he

1108
01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:50,119
was like really into, you know, his Native American roots

1109
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:52,480
and things like that, and he would tell me about

1110
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:56,280
these lights that they had on the reservation. But he

1111
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,000
would tell me these stories. And the other thing is

1112
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:00,679
I wish I could remember the stories, but you have

1113
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,960
these tales about them, and so whereas these I'm hearing

1114
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,679
the stories of you know, it was the guy who

1115
01:02:05,719 --> 01:02:08,320
lost his head working on the train track. When then

1116
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:10,960
he's telling me like it was some sort of you know,

1117
01:02:11,039 --> 01:02:13,079
some kind of spirit saying or you know, or a

1118
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:16,400
spiritual thing with these you know, with the Native American

1119
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,199
tribe that he was from, and I guess it was

1120
01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:21,760
probably the same with other tribes. I don't really know.

1121
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, all these stories from legend, they get passed down

1122
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:27,760
sometimes you know, the details get changed and they you know,

1123
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,679
it becomes a little bit more modernized. Good stuff, Michael.

1124
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,719
Speaker 1: Interesting, as far as I have, I think that's pretty much, Michael.

1125
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,239
Speaker 3: I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.

1126
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: Oh, no problem, Deck, I appreciate you having me.

1127
01:02:39,639 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 3: It's been great talking to you.

1128
01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:42,119
Speaker 1: All right, thank you too.

1129
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 3: All right, buddy, all right, you take care yourself rather.

1130
01:02:44,679 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: Man taker take you.

1131
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,159
Speaker 3: That is all for today. Keep updated and connected with

1132
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:52,920
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1133
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,559
have an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast.

1134
01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:00,480
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,

1135
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:03,039
or you can reach out to me via the contact

1136
01:03:03,079 --> 01:03:07,840
page on my website ufo Chronicles podcast dot com. A

1137
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,559
big thank you to Michael for sharing tonight and thank

1138
01:03:10,599 --> 01:03:14,119
you all for listening. I will be back on Thursday.

1139
01:03:14,840 --> 01:04:13,960
Till then, stay safe, we'll keep watching the skies. Goodbye,