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I guess more accurately. He's the publisher of long Leaf
Politics you can read longleafpol dot com and a contributing
columnist to The Charlotte Observer and The News and Observer. Andrew,
how are you this week? Oh?
Speaker 2: I'm fantastic. How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm well, I'm not quite fantastic, but I'm all right.
I'm doing okay. Thanks? All right, So let's start with
you got a bunch of stuff that has moved over
at the Observer but also on your website, longleafpol dot com.
Let me start with the tariffs issue. You wrote that
tariffs won't bring back North Carolina's old economy, So why
do you say that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, you know, obviously the tariffs are the biggest economic
news going on right now. And I wrote a couple
of weeks ago about how you know tariffs, You know,
the messaging really resonates in North Carolina based on our
long history and manufacturing. You know, for for generations, our
state was dominated by furniture, textiles, and tobacco, a lot
of a lot of factory jobs all across the state.
And then starting in the nineties, with NaSTA and globalization,
we lost half of those jobs and just a ten
year span. And so you know, with tariffs, you know,
a lot of the rationale behind the tariffs that you're
hearing from the White House is around, you know, reinvigorating
domestic manufacturing, bringing factories back, bringing jobs back. And so
what I wanted to do was to dive into, okay,
well what what could that look like? And basically what
I found out, you know, from talking to folks in
the industry is that you know, it's not going to
be the same old you know, T shirt factories or
whatever that that that era has gone, I mean, manufacturing
has gone high tech. So while you know, we are
seeing some increase in interest from companies wanting to to
reshore some of those manufacturing jobs. It's going to look
a lot different. Whatever comes back is going to be
way different from what we had before.
Speaker 1: And in fact it's different now, right, I mean, we're
we do have a pretty strong manufacturing industry in this.
Speaker 2: State, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean when when you talk about a factory now,
if you think, if you picture in your head, what
does a factory job look like, you know, you probably
have in your head, you know, huge floors full of people,
everybody doing you know, an individual task. And that's just
not i mean, manufacturing is anymore in the United States.
I mean, there's probably some of that overseas, but there's
just not really a business model to do that sort
of thing in the United States. With how much money
folks make here, Really, what a factory floor looks like
today is a couple folks and a lot of high
tech machinery. So the jobs that are going to come
back are going to be, you know, people who have
the background, the skills, and the training to operate those
machines and fix them when stuff goes wrong and make
sure everything's going smoothly.
Speaker 1: You talked with Phil Mintz, the director of NC State
University's Industry Expansion Solutions, which you know is good because
it has solutions right in the title there, and he
says that companies are rethinking their supply chains and considering
what parts of it they can bring back to the
US Economic developers also told you that there's more inquiries
now and interest in opening new factories to support that.
So is that a good thing?
Speaker 2: I think it's a good thing. I think, well, I'll
be cautiously optimistic. I do think that there's a real
opportunity for companies to bring back more, you know, parts
of the manufacturing process to North Carolina. However, it's very complicated,
you know, when you think about manufacturing stuff that's made
in America might still have a bunch of parts that
are made overseas. You know, maybe it's more accurately called
assembled in America. There's quite a bit of that. You know,
everything is so complicated now that when when you're talking
about manufacturing something, you also have to look at how
all the parts are manufactured. And there's just a scenario
in which every single component of everything is made in America.
And so companies are really thinking through, all, right, well,
we if we make this big component in America that
will outweigh the cost of importing these other minor components
from China. Is there's just a lot of calculus.
Speaker 1: Going on there, right, And businesses are pretty uncertain, right,
business leaders are uncertain. That's a really big thing for business.
And if you're going to be dropping a billion dollars
into construction of a new facility, you want to make
sure that whatever terif regime is in place is going
to be lasting to some degree. But also I thought
you touched on an important point that I kind of
brushed up into when the tariff news was first announced,
which is this nostalgia for the factory idea, the fact
the manufacturing and factory jobs, this idea of what they were.
And I said, I'm not so sure we have like
right now, at the stat I saw was half a
million unfilled manufacturing jobs in America each month, and so
I just wonder, are these even jobs that people want
to do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question, and there certainly is some
romanticism around, you know, the old North Carolina economy, but
you know, it's easy to forget that there were generations
of people working there who told their children, you know,
get it, get an education so you don't have to
work in the factory like I did not the smirch
at all the factory jobs, I mean they were there
were great jobs. I mean, that's that's really what people
are nostalgic for, the era where somebody without a college
degree could support a family on a single blue collar wage,
and that if we could bring that back with different
types of jobs, I think folks will be really, really happy. However,
it's a little bit more challenging because, you know, as
we were discussing, factory jobs look a lot different now.
It's not as simple as you know, walking up to
the factory door with your high school diploma and getting
a job. You've got to have, you know, maybe it's
an associates degree, maybe it's a specialized workforce program through
the community college. But you typically need something extra to
get these jobs today. And building those pipelines and just
showing folks you know, this is how you do it
is going to be another big hurdle to overcome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're exactly right. It's the concept of
what the job allowed for in the family, in the community,
in the neighborhood more so than the actual specific job.
It's this idea. So yeah, so that's over etically and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, and where those jobs were.
I mean, you had, you know, small manufacturers across the state.
I mean there were towns that were built around the
factory and that doesn't exist currently, and maybe maybe something
can happen with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me shift gears and go over to the
long Leaf Politics site that you run, long leafpol dot com.
I thought this was a pretty interesting idea, if maybe
a little famili Well, yer, we'll call it the Jeff
Jackson playbook. You tried to track down and understand how
disaster recovery works in the state, and so can you
explain it all to us? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you're right to say it is the Jeff
Jackson playbook. I mean I've been pretty consistent. I don't
agree with Attorney General Jackson on a lot of policy things,
but I do think he's the most effective communicator in
North Carolina politics, perhaps of all time. So basically what
I'm saying here is North Carolina disaster recovery is extremely complicated.
Everybody's pointing fingers, everything's moving more slowly, and I've done
some preliminary digging trying to figure out how it works.
You know, who's responsible for what, What does the federal
government pay for, what does the state government pay for?
Where is private insurance coming into the play here? You know,
what is government trying to accomplish here? And I can't
find any answers. And so my suggestion is, you know,
somebody who's in the General Assembly, who says on one
of these committees could really do a big public service
by laying out some you know, face to the camera videos,
Here's how it works, here's what we're trying to do,
you know, just pull the curtain back a little bit
on how this big process works and how it should
work and how it can be better. There's nobody out
there doing that. I mean, honestly, this is something that
the state Emergency Management Department should do. I don't see
that happening anytime soon, but I do think there might
be some enterprising lawmakers who could take this on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's an incentive politically for them to do that.
It would raise their profile and if they're looking to
do something else in the future, all right. And then
also absolutely, I don't even know what you call these things.
I think of them as mascot state symbols. I was
not aware that that they're is actually what an effort
to name the official fried apple pie festival of the state.
Like I'm not and I think you wrote this too,
like I'm not aware. Are there competing fried apple pie
festivals in the state at all?
Speaker 2: No, there's not. And state symbols are interesting. So you know,
everybody's familiar with the state bird, you know, the cardinal
and the state flower, the dogwood, but there's actually probably
like sixty or seventy different state symbols that North Carolina
is designated. And it's actually a law, you know, somebody
files a bill to designate an official state symbol in
every session. There's you know, a dozen or so of them.
And so what I did on Long Lease Politics was breakdown,
all right, So here's what makes a good state symbol,
and here's how all the ones under consideration now fall
into that. And the issue you just raised is exactly
one that I take on. I mean, there's a lot
of state symbols now feel more like a recognition of
something that we like rather than an actual emblem or
symbol of the state. And the fried apple Pie Festival
is a good one. There's a couple others that are
just like that. For example, there's a bill to designate
the official Rice Festival of North Carolina, which would be
the absolutely named North Carolina Rice Festival. Yeah, there are
no other rice festivals, right, So I don't think those
are really state symbols. But things that do have multiple
options could be good.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The one that I'm big on is designating the official
state cookie as the Moravian Cookie. I don't know how
you feel about Moravian cookies. I love them. I can't
get enough of them, and they are really unique to
North Carolina. No other state could claim it. There's plenty
of options, but that's the one I'm back in that bill.
Speaker 1: So the Moravian Cookie has a supporter and Andrew Dunn
as the affice state cookie, which I'm kind of surprised
there's no official state cookie at this point. That's that
is surprising. You also cite the Andy Griffith Show, the
official State TV show. That's that's one that checks your
boxes too. I guess.
Speaker 2: Yep, distinctive North Carolina. Plenty of options. You know, millennials
might like what one tree hill. I think in North Carolina.
There's a couple others. But to me, you know, only
Andy Griffith Show is going to work for me on
that one.
Speaker 1: No, I hear you. I agree, all right, Andrew Dunn.
He is the publisher of Long Leave Politics and a
contributing columnist to The Charlotte Observer. We'll talk with you
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Let me circle back, Pasaki style to the terriff issue
real quick, because we have some elements. JD. Vance he
met with the Indian was it Prime Minister or President?
I don't know what they call them over there, but
the top guy over in India MODEI. Oh, Lord, stuck
in MODI again? I believe that's his walk up tune. No,
it's mody, sorry, And here's what JD. Vans announced.
Speaker 3: As many of you aware, both of our governments are
hard at work on a trade agreement built on shared
priorities like creating new jobs, building durable supply chains, and
achieving prosperity for our workers. In our meeting yesterday, Prime
Minister Mody and I made very good progress on all
of those points, and we were especially excited to formally
announce that America and India have officially finalized the terms
of reference for the trade negotiation. I think this is
a vital step you now, I believe this is a
vital step toward realizing President Trump's and Prime Minister Mody's
vision because it sets a roadmap toward a final deal
between our nations.
Speaker 1: All right, well, that's good news, struck a deal with
Modi or Mody, sorry, Prime Minister. But then there's also
this aspect of the tariffs. And this is why I'm
always whenever we talk about economic news or issues, it's
you know, trade offs. To quote Thomas soul right, there
are no solutions. There were only trade offs. Economic data
is just a simple is one data point, right, and
the to draw that, to draw a larger conclusion from
a single data point is well not good. Okay, you
should really avoid it because there's so much of this
stuff that's a mixed bag, okay, And this is one
of the downsides of tariffs. I talked about this when
first announced the tariffs. One of the downsides is the
deal cutting. And I know Trump likes to cut deals
and make deals and whatever. I'm not saying anything about that.
I'm talking about what happens in a tariff regime is
that those industries or businesses or leaders who are connected,
they get carve outs and then you and once one
of them gets a carve out, you see the scrambling
for more carveouts. So you end up with this patchwork
of winners and losers that the government has picked. And
Apple got a carve out, and that's like that, that's
not great. It's not a great precedent. I think they
had said that their iPhones would have gone from one
thousand dollars to like twenty five hundred dollars under the tariffs.
And you know, it makes sense why they would try
to get protected from those protectionisms, protectionist policies, right, it
makes sense they want to keep selling iPhones and if
you jack the rate up by one hundred and forty
five percent, then that's going to get reflected in the
price of the of the phones. So that's not great.
But like I said, we shall see. Also another piece
of economic data. Again, don't draw the larger I'm not
drawing any larger conclusions based on a single data point, however,
And I was glad to see that the TAO is
doing a little bit better today, because so far this
month it's not good. The TAO has been on track,
is now on track to close out April with its
worst historical April performance since nineteen thirty two, which is
the Great Depression. Again, that's not to say that the
entire economy is a wreck and everything is bad. I'm
not saying that. I'm merely pointing out that that is
a data point, and I hope it doesn't like. I
hope that doesn't stay there. I hope it bounces back, right.
I hope we have a stronger economy once these tariff deals,
these trade deals get signed. But that takes time, and
it could be a year, right, we could go through
a year of this kind of uncertainty until all of
the deals are cut. So, all right, that's on the tariffront.
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So a development in the race for New York City
mayor Why do we care about this, Pete? Ah glad
you asked, because one of the candidates is former New
York Governor Andrew Cuomo. The love gov. Remember him? Yeah? Well,
apparently Republicans in Congress have have pretty long memories, which
makes sense because they are the party of the Elephant.
The House Overside Chair James Comer is asking the Department
of Justice to prosecute former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo
for lying to Congress as part of its investigation into
New York State's handling of the COVID nineteen pandemic. Were
you old enough for that man? That was a crazy time?
Holy cow? Yeah? Remember Andrew Cuomo was the governor who
sent COVID infected people into the nursing homes and created
a massive catastrophe among the elderly in New York State.
James Comer is a Kentucky Republican. He accused Cuomo, a
Democrat now running for New York City mayor, of making
criminally false statements around the state's management of the pandemic
in nursing homes. This is according to a piece at Politico.
Former Representative Brad Wenstrup, the chair of the now disbanded
House Select Committee on the coronavirus pandemic, had previously referred
Cuomo to former Attorney General Merrick Garland for prosecution, a
request that the Biden administration apparently ignored, but Cohmer's decision
to return to the referral suggests that the Trump administration
may now be willing to engage. Yes, this is what's
called accountability. Andrew Cuomo should not be able to run
for office without this accountability just because the previous administration
didn't want to go after one of their fellow Democrats,
even though the guy was embroiled in scandal. Remember he
was also he was taken out. He was like a
me too, guy too, right, wasn't he didn't something happen
with that? So here is the relevant timeline, as produced
by the House Oversight Committee back on March twenty fifth
of twenty twenty. So this would have been right at
the beginning of the pandemic's outbreak. The Coomo administration recklessly
directed New York nursing homes and long term care facilities
to admit COVID positive and potentially COVID positive patients. As
a result, New York's most vulnerable population was recklessly exposed
to COVID nineteen. A couple months later, July sixth, twenty twenty,
the New York State Department of Health releases a report
alleging nursing home staff caused the excess COVID nineteen deaths
in the nursing homes. Not their directive. We have taken
a look at this and we find ourselves to be
not guilty of this terrible thing. In fact, it was
all of you staffers. You guys brought the COVID into
the nursing homes. Now at the time, just as an aside,
I was advocating to quarantine the nursing homes. You set
up a quarantine for staff, You set up a quarantine
for the patients, for the residents of the nursing homes,
of all facilities, right, that would seem to be well
positioned to prevent the spread of COVID nineteen. You would
think it would be a nursing home with controlled access,
nobody gets in or out. According to witness testimony and
new documents revealed in the Select Subcommittee's referral, mister Cuomo
personally drafted and edited portions of this purportedly independent and
peer reviewed report. That's what they build this as an
independent and peer reviewed report. Spoiler alert, it was neither
independent nor peer reviewed. Fast forward in another six months,
or so. Now you're into January of twenty twenty one,
and New York State Attorney General Letitia James is forging
document No, I'm kidding, No, she wasn't forging documents. It's
just a joke, just lying on mortgage applications. But anyway,
she released an investigative report claiming in part that mister
Cuomo and his team undercounted the total number of nursing
home deaths by as much as fifty percent. That was
in January twenty twenty one. Fast forward a little bit
more than two years. We are now in May of
twenty twenty three. The Congressional House Select Subcommittee begins its
investigation into New York's pandemic response and that disastrous March
twenty fifth directive that sent all of the patients into
the nursing homes. As part of that investigation, the Select
Subcommittee conducted transcribed interviews with New York state officials at
the time, and then they list them all. That was
May twenty twenty three. Fast forward another six months or so,
December twenty twenty three. December one, the Select Subcommittee requests
Governor Cuomo appear for a transcribed interview. They tried to
negotiate with him and his advisors and attorneys. They tried
to accommodate him in all the ways that they could.
And then, after three months of that not bearing any fruit,
what the committee says, months of unjustified and unreasonable delays,
the Select Subcommittee was forced to announce a subpoena from
mister Cuomo's testimony that was in March twenty twenty four. Sorry,
so a year. They spent over a year trying to
get this guy to sit for a transcribed interview. Finally
they subpoena him March twenty twenty four. June twenty four,
Cuomo appears for a transcribed interview, and during that interview,
he testified that he was not involved in drafting the
directive the New York or sorry, the report on the
cause that was released in July of what was it
twenty twenty right, because the New York State Department of
Health released its report blaming the nursing home staff, and
Cuomo said he was not involved in drafting that report,
and he said he did not review the report prior
to its public release. However, new evidence demonstrates these statements
to be false. September this past September, the Select Subcommittee
releases a nearly fifty page memo presenting the evidence that
Cuomo and his team were involved in the decision to
issue the disastrous directive and then acted repeatedly to downplay
the tragic aftermath of their decision. Cuomo's attorneys expressed her
objections regarding the memo. In an effort to address those objections,
the Select Subcommittee sent a series of additional questions to
a former witness concerning his recent communication with Cuomo. September tenth.
The next day, Cuomo appears at a hearing at which
he was held publicly accountable for his role in New
York's pandemic era failures. Same day, the Select Subcommitte announces
a subpoena for current New York Governor Kathy Keel. Her
administration has continued to withhold documents related to the Quoma
Administration's nursing home disaster. September twenty fifth, the Select Subcommittee
releases evidence suggesting mister Cuomo attempted to inappropriately influence a witness,
and October thirtieth, twenty twenty four, mister Cuomo was referred
to the Justice Department for making false statements to Congress,
and then, of course Merrick Garland, Attorney General at the time,
did nothing. And so now with a new Attorney general
in place, we would like to see something occur. All right,
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dot com. Andrew Cuomo built a national profile with those
daily COVID briefings where he reassured the public during the
early days of the COVID pandemic while he was, you know,
sending all of the old people to die in the
nursing homes. I added that last part to this Politico article,
Cuomo is now the front runner. Did you know this?
He's the front runner in the Democratic primary for New
York City mayor. But the scandal around nursing home deaths
through twenty twenty throughout twenty twenty, paired with the sexual
harassment allegations that forced him to resign as governor in
twenty twenty one, are haunting his comeback attempt as they should,
As they absolutely should. Como has sought to direct blame
elsewhere for the March twenty fifth directive in twenty twenty.
That was the nursing home directive, which required elder care
facilities to accept COVID positive patients. But his rivals in
the mayoral primary to challenge the sitting mayor, Eric Adams
have banded together to highlight Como's decision to expose a
vulnerable population to the deadly virus and accuse him of
undercounting the deaths in elder care facilities that occurred as
a result. So you have this dynamic occurring where these
Democrats are all vying for power in the Democrat primary.
So they are the ones that are now joining together
to savage Andrew Cuomo. Had Andrew Cuomo not run for
mayor and not tried to best them for the mayorship,
they would not be engaged in this kind of accounting, right,
And we do need an accounting. You can call it
a debrief or an autopsy of post mortem whatever. There
needs to be an assessment of the COVID policies that
were enacted. And there needs to be an assessment, a
reconciliation process, if you will, an accounting of not just
the policies, but the people who advanced those policies. We
played the SoundBite in the past of Mandy Cohen, who
was not only had it going on, but also, as
I understand it from the song, but she also was
our Health and Human Service as secretary here in North Carolina,
and after Cooper was gone and Cohen was gone. She
does some discussion about, you know, her times as the
Secretary of Health and Name and Services during the pandemic.
I think it was up at Harvard or something. I
don't remember. The location doesn't matter, but she's she's laughing
about how she would call up people she knew in
different states and ask them, Oh, are you locking everybody down?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're totally locking them down. Okay, then we will too.
There was like, that's not science, right, that's political science.
That's polling, right, that's trying to get a trying to
get an idea of where the herd is going, so
you too can join the herd. And that's not utilizing science.
There has to be a reckoning. And I don't say
that in order to punish people who, in hindsight made
the wrong decisions. I say that so we don't ever
do the bad policies again. We never see another March
twenty fifth directive. When you have an airborne respiratory virus
that is highly communicable and particularly dangerous to the older population,
you don't send people into those facilities like New York
State did. Right. That's just one example of this stuff.
Here's another one. You don't shut down beaches and skateparks outside, right,
you don't ban church gatherings outside. We should all know
which policies worked, and we should know when the policies
that didn't work were approved, how did they get approved,
So we know that whatever process was used to a
of it, we don't replicate that in future pandemics or
emergencies because some of the stuff may have worked, right,
I mean very little of it, but like you want
to identify the stuff that worked and the stuff that
didn't work. Cuomo claimed that he was not involved in
a New York State Department of Health report on the
nursing home crisis, but later said he did not recall
reviewing or revising the report. But the Republican led panel
House Oversight concluded that Cuomo did, in fact seek to
alter the report as part of an effort to cover
up the fallout. Of course he did, and because of
course he did. The fact that you had to do
the report in the first place is indicative of the
amount of heat this guy was facing because of the
directive in the first place. Earlier, we talked to Andrew
Dunn about state symbols and the Moravian Cookie. I got
a message here from Denny who says, when voting for
the official state cookie of North Carolina, there is no
way that I would vote for the Moravian cookie over
the moonpie. Let's not miss this opportunity. See, but here's
the thing. The moonpie isn't North Carolina. A Kentucky coal
miner asked a traveling salesman for a snack that was
as big as the moon. Earl Mitchell was the salesman.
He reported back to the place that he was a
salesman for the bakery and they obliged with a tasty
treat named the moon Pie. That bakery was in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
Chattanooga Bakery produced over one hundred items, but they knew
they had something special with the moonpie at five cents apiece,
and they started flying off the shelves. So I don't
think we can claim the moon pie as the official
oky of North Carolina. I would also suggest it's more
of a pastry. I think all right, that'll do it
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