1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to thepeakclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,399 your support. We join Andrew Dunn, or actually he joins us, 10 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:35,240 I guess more accurately. He's the publisher of long Leaf 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:40,280 Politics you can read longleafpol dot com and a contributing 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,399 columnist to The Charlotte Observer and The News and Observer. Andrew, 13 00:00:43,399 --> 00:00:46,119 how are you this week? Oh? 14 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,679 Speaker 2: I'm fantastic. How are you? 15 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,719 Speaker 1: I'm well, I'm not quite fantastic, but I'm all right. 16 00:00:50,759 --> 00:00:54,159 I'm doing okay. Thanks? All right, So let's start with 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,439 you got a bunch of stuff that has moved over 18 00:00:56,479 --> 00:00:59,960 at the Observer but also on your website, longleafpol dot com. 19 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:03,200 Let me start with the tariffs issue. You wrote that 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:09,359 tariffs won't bring back North Carolina's old economy, So why 21 00:01:09,359 --> 00:01:12,879 do you say that. Yeah. 22 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,359 Speaker 2: So, you know, obviously the tariffs are the biggest economic 23 00:01:16,439 --> 00:01:20,519 news going on right now. And I wrote a couple 24 00:01:20,519 --> 00:01:23,319 of weeks ago about how you know tariffs, You know, 25 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,680 the messaging really resonates in North Carolina based on our 26 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,400 long history and manufacturing. You know, for for generations, our 27 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,560 state was dominated by furniture, textiles, and tobacco, a lot 28 00:01:35,599 --> 00:01:38,519 of a lot of factory jobs all across the state. 29 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,439 And then starting in the nineties, with NaSTA and globalization, 30 00:01:44,879 --> 00:01:47,760 we lost half of those jobs and just a ten 31 00:01:47,799 --> 00:01:50,719 year span. And so you know, with tariffs, you know, 32 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,560 a lot of the rationale behind the tariffs that you're 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,439 hearing from the White House is around, you know, reinvigorating 34 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:01,000 domestic manufacturing, bringing factories back, bringing jobs back. And so 35 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:03,560 what I wanted to do was to dive into, okay, 36 00:02:03,719 --> 00:02:07,680 well what what could that look like? And basically what 37 00:02:07,719 --> 00:02:09,879 I found out, you know, from talking to folks in 38 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,719 the industry is that you know, it's not going to 39 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:15,719 be the same old you know, T shirt factories or 40 00:02:15,759 --> 00:02:19,479 whatever that that that era has gone, I mean, manufacturing 41 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,240 has gone high tech. So while you know, we are 42 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,599 seeing some increase in interest from companies wanting to to 43 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,800 reshore some of those manufacturing jobs. It's going to look 44 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,960 a lot different. Whatever comes back is going to be 45 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,639 way different from what we had before. 46 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: And in fact it's different now, right, I mean, we're 47 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,280 we do have a pretty strong manufacturing industry in this. 48 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: State, exactly. 49 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 50 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: I mean when when you talk about a factory now, 51 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:51,240 if you think, if you picture in your head, what 52 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,479 does a factory job look like, you know, you probably 53 00:02:53,479 --> 00:02:56,360 have in your head, you know, huge floors full of people, 54 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,680 everybody doing you know, an individual task. And that's just 55 00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:03,240 not i mean, manufacturing is anymore in the United States. 56 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,120 I mean, there's probably some of that overseas, but there's 57 00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:09,879 just not really a business model to do that sort 58 00:03:09,879 --> 00:03:12,599 of thing in the United States. With how much money 59 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,159 folks make here, Really, what a factory floor looks like 60 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,960 today is a couple folks and a lot of high 61 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,960 tech machinery. So the jobs that are going to come 62 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,960 back are going to be, you know, people who have 63 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:27,800 the background, the skills, and the training to operate those 64 00:03:27,879 --> 00:03:31,319 machines and fix them when stuff goes wrong and make 65 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,719 sure everything's going smoothly. 66 00:03:33,599 --> 00:03:37,319 Speaker 1: You talked with Phil Mintz, the director of NC State 67 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:42,520 University's Industry Expansion Solutions, which you know is good because 68 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,120 it has solutions right in the title there, and he 69 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:50,879 says that companies are rethinking their supply chains and considering 70 00:03:50,919 --> 00:03:52,919 what parts of it they can bring back to the 71 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,800 US Economic developers also told you that there's more inquiries 72 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,680 now and interest in opening new factories to support that. 73 00:04:01,759 --> 00:04:02,599 So is that a good thing? 74 00:04:05,319 --> 00:04:09,479 Speaker 2: I think it's a good thing. I think, well, I'll 75 00:04:09,479 --> 00:04:12,400 be cautiously optimistic. I do think that there's a real 76 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:16,560 opportunity for companies to bring back more, you know, parts 77 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:22,360 of the manufacturing process to North Carolina. However, it's very complicated, 78 00:04:22,519 --> 00:04:25,519 you know, when you think about manufacturing stuff that's made 79 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:28,920 in America might still have a bunch of parts that 80 00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:32,519 are made overseas. You know, maybe it's more accurately called 81 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,720 assembled in America. There's quite a bit of that. You know, 82 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,399 everything is so complicated now that when when you're talking 83 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:42,959 about manufacturing something, you also have to look at how 84 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:46,839 all the parts are manufactured. And there's just a scenario 85 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,800 in which every single component of everything is made in America. 86 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,079 And so companies are really thinking through, all, right, well, 87 00:04:56,439 --> 00:05:00,120 we if we make this big component in America that 88 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:04,639 will outweigh the cost of importing these other minor components 89 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,439 from China. Is there's just a lot of calculus. 90 00:05:07,879 --> 00:05:12,439 Speaker 1: Going on there, right, And businesses are pretty uncertain, right, 91 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,639 business leaders are uncertain. That's a really big thing for business. 92 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,959 And if you're going to be dropping a billion dollars 93 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,959 into construction of a new facility, you want to make 94 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,279 sure that whatever terif regime is in place is going 95 00:05:24,319 --> 00:05:28,600 to be lasting to some degree. But also I thought 96 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,160 you touched on an important point that I kind of 97 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,959 brushed up into when the tariff news was first announced, 98 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:41,560 which is this nostalgia for the factory idea, the fact 99 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:45,839 the manufacturing and factory jobs, this idea of what they were. 100 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:48,920 And I said, I'm not so sure we have like 101 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,199 right now, at the stat I saw was half a 102 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:56,839 million unfilled manufacturing jobs in America each month, and so 103 00:05:56,959 --> 00:05:59,879 I just wonder, are these even jobs that people want 104 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:00,439 to do? 105 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question, and there certainly is some 106 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,279 romanticism around, you know, the old North Carolina economy, but 107 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,439 you know, it's easy to forget that there were generations 108 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,680 of people working there who told their children, you know, 109 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,959 get it, get an education so you don't have to 110 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,839 work in the factory like I did not the smirch 111 00:06:22,879 --> 00:06:25,839 at all the factory jobs, I mean they were there 112 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,079 were great jobs. I mean, that's that's really what people 113 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,720 are nostalgic for, the era where somebody without a college 114 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:35,800 degree could support a family on a single blue collar wage, 115 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:41,000 and that if we could bring that back with different 116 00:06:41,079 --> 00:06:45,680 types of jobs, I think folks will be really, really happy. However, 117 00:06:45,959 --> 00:06:48,040 it's a little bit more challenging because, you know, as 118 00:06:48,079 --> 00:06:51,000 we were discussing, factory jobs look a lot different now. 119 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,040 It's not as simple as you know, walking up to 120 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,639 the factory door with your high school diploma and getting 121 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:59,800 a job. You've got to have, you know, maybe it's 122 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:04,560 an associates degree, maybe it's a specialized workforce program through 123 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,120 the community college. But you typically need something extra to 124 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:13,600 get these jobs today. And building those pipelines and just 125 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,120 showing folks you know, this is how you do it 126 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,199 is going to be another big hurdle to overcome. 127 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're exactly right. It's the concept of 128 00:07:21,079 --> 00:07:25,040 what the job allowed for in the family, in the community, 129 00:07:25,079 --> 00:07:29,399 in the neighborhood more so than the actual specific job. 130 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:36,519 It's this idea. So yeah, so that's over etically and yeah, yeah. 131 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: I was just going to say, and where those jobs were. 132 00:07:37,759 --> 00:07:40,519 I mean, you had, you know, small manufacturers across the state. 133 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,399 I mean there were towns that were built around the 134 00:07:42,439 --> 00:07:46,879 factory and that doesn't exist currently, and maybe maybe something 135 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:47,600 can happen with that. 136 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:50,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me shift gears and go over to the 137 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,519 long Leaf Politics site that you run, long leafpol dot com. 138 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,279 I thought this was a pretty interesting idea, if maybe 139 00:07:59,319 --> 00:08:01,279 a little famili Well, yer, we'll call it the Jeff 140 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:08,079 Jackson playbook. You tried to track down and understand how 141 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:13,240 disaster recovery works in the state, and so can you 142 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:16,519 explain it all to us? Yeah? 143 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you're right to say it is the Jeff 144 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:21,959 Jackson playbook. I mean I've been pretty consistent. I don't 145 00:08:21,959 --> 00:08:25,680 agree with Attorney General Jackson on a lot of policy things, 146 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,360 but I do think he's the most effective communicator in 147 00:08:29,839 --> 00:08:33,759 North Carolina politics, perhaps of all time. So basically what 148 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:39,000 I'm saying here is North Carolina disaster recovery is extremely complicated. 149 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:43,440 Everybody's pointing fingers, everything's moving more slowly, and I've done 150 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:46,840 some preliminary digging trying to figure out how it works. 151 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,440 You know, who's responsible for what, What does the federal 152 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,200 government pay for, what does the state government pay for? 153 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:57,279 Where is private insurance coming into the play here? You know, 154 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,879 what is government trying to accomplish here? And I can't 155 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:04,200 find any answers. And so my suggestion is, you know, 156 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,919 somebody who's in the General Assembly, who says on one 157 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,080 of these committees could really do a big public service 158 00:09:10,159 --> 00:09:14,080 by laying out some you know, face to the camera videos, 159 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,799 Here's how it works, here's what we're trying to do, 160 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,200 you know, just pull the curtain back a little bit 161 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,759 on how this big process works and how it should 162 00:09:25,759 --> 00:09:28,679 work and how it can be better. There's nobody out 163 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,679 there doing that. I mean, honestly, this is something that 164 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,799 the state Emergency Management Department should do. I don't see 165 00:09:34,799 --> 00:09:37,480 that happening anytime soon, but I do think there might 166 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:40,919 be some enterprising lawmakers who could take this on. 167 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's an incentive politically for them to do that. 168 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,639 It would raise their profile and if they're looking to 169 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,039 do something else in the future, all right. And then 170 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,440 also absolutely, I don't even know what you call these things. 171 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,200 I think of them as mascot state symbols. I was 172 00:09:57,279 --> 00:10:02,080 not aware that that they're is actually what an effort 173 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,600 to name the official fried apple pie festival of the state. 174 00:10:06,039 --> 00:10:08,120 Like I'm not and I think you wrote this too, 175 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:11,519 like I'm not aware. Are there competing fried apple pie 176 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,080 festivals in the state at all? 177 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: No, there's not. And state symbols are interesting. So you know, 178 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,679 everybody's familiar with the state bird, you know, the cardinal 179 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:27,519 and the state flower, the dogwood, but there's actually probably 180 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,879 like sixty or seventy different state symbols that North Carolina 181 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,679 is designated. And it's actually a law, you know, somebody 182 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,559 files a bill to designate an official state symbol in 183 00:10:37,639 --> 00:10:40,759 every session. There's you know, a dozen or so of them. 184 00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:44,440 And so what I did on Long Lease Politics was breakdown, 185 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,039 all right, So here's what makes a good state symbol, 186 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,799 and here's how all the ones under consideration now fall 187 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:55,080 into that. And the issue you just raised is exactly 188 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,960 one that I take on. I mean, there's a lot 189 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,120 of state symbols now feel more like a recognition of 190 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:07,360 something that we like rather than an actual emblem or 191 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,039 symbol of the state. And the fried apple Pie Festival 192 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,720 is a good one. There's a couple others that are 193 00:11:12,759 --> 00:11:16,039 just like that. For example, there's a bill to designate 194 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,840 the official Rice Festival of North Carolina, which would be 195 00:11:20,919 --> 00:11:25,919 the absolutely named North Carolina Rice Festival. Yeah, there are 196 00:11:25,919 --> 00:11:30,000 no other rice festivals, right, So I don't think those 197 00:11:30,039 --> 00:11:34,240 are really state symbols. But things that do have multiple 198 00:11:34,279 --> 00:11:35,440 options could be good. 199 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: You know. 200 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: The one that I'm big on is designating the official 201 00:11:40,039 --> 00:11:43,879 state cookie as the Moravian Cookie. I don't know how 202 00:11:43,919 --> 00:11:46,279 you feel about Moravian cookies. I love them. I can't 203 00:11:46,279 --> 00:11:49,159 get enough of them, and they are really unique to 204 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,720 North Carolina. No other state could claim it. There's plenty 205 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,720 of options, but that's the one I'm back in that bill. 206 00:11:56,399 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: So the Moravian Cookie has a supporter and Andrew Dunn 207 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,960 as the affice state cookie, which I'm kind of surprised 208 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,759 there's no official state cookie at this point. That's that 209 00:12:04,879 --> 00:12:08,559 is surprising. You also cite the Andy Griffith Show, the 210 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,600 official State TV show. That's that's one that checks your 211 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:13,919 boxes too. I guess. 212 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: Yep, distinctive North Carolina. Plenty of options. You know, millennials 213 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:25,000 might like what one tree hill. I think in North Carolina. 214 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,120 There's a couple others. But to me, you know, only 215 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:30,039 Andy Griffith Show is going to work for me on 216 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:30,399 that one. 217 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,639 Speaker 1: No, I hear you. I agree, all right, Andrew Dunn. 218 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,480 He is the publisher of Long Leave Politics and a 219 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,120 contributing columnist to The Charlotte Observer. We'll talk with you 220 00:12:38,159 --> 00:12:40,240 next week. Andrew, Thanks so much for your time. Appreciate it. 221 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,120 Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to 222 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,639 a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. 223 00:12:46,759 --> 00:12:48,960 Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of 224 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,320 Ashville is your connection. 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Vans announced. 250 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:29,399 Speaker 3: As many of you aware, both of our governments are 251 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,440 hard at work on a trade agreement built on shared 252 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:37,440 priorities like creating new jobs, building durable supply chains, and 253 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:41,399 achieving prosperity for our workers. In our meeting yesterday, Prime 254 00:14:41,399 --> 00:14:44,679 Minister Mody and I made very good progress on all 255 00:14:44,759 --> 00:14:48,159 of those points, and we were especially excited to formally 256 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,320 announce that America and India have officially finalized the terms 257 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,559 of reference for the trade negotiation. I think this is 258 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:03,519 a vital step you now, I believe this is a 259 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,200 vital step toward realizing President Trump's and Prime Minister Mody's 260 00:15:08,279 --> 00:15:11,559 vision because it sets a roadmap toward a final deal 261 00:15:11,879 --> 00:15:12,879 between our nations. 262 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: All right, well, that's good news, struck a deal with 263 00:15:17,039 --> 00:15:22,159 Modi or Mody, sorry, Prime Minister. But then there's also 264 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,240 this aspect of the tariffs. And this is why I'm 265 00:15:25,279 --> 00:15:30,600 always whenever we talk about economic news or issues, it's 266 00:15:31,159 --> 00:15:34,919 you know, trade offs. To quote Thomas soul right, there 267 00:15:34,919 --> 00:15:39,320 are no solutions. There were only trade offs. Economic data 268 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,399 is just a simple is one data point, right, and 269 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:47,399 the to draw that, to draw a larger conclusion from 270 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,320 a single data point is well not good. Okay, you 271 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,879 should really avoid it because there's so much of this 272 00:15:53,879 --> 00:15:57,000 stuff that's a mixed bag, okay, And this is one 273 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,759 of the downsides of tariffs. I talked about this when 274 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,279 first announced the tariffs. One of the downsides is the 275 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,720 deal cutting. And I know Trump likes to cut deals 276 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:09,320 and make deals and whatever. I'm not saying anything about that. 277 00:16:09,399 --> 00:16:13,759 I'm talking about what happens in a tariff regime is 278 00:16:13,799 --> 00:16:19,000 that those industries or businesses or leaders who are connected, 279 00:16:20,159 --> 00:16:24,440 they get carve outs and then you and once one 280 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,720 of them gets a carve out, you see the scrambling 281 00:16:27,039 --> 00:16:31,080 for more carveouts. So you end up with this patchwork 282 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:35,519 of winners and losers that the government has picked. And 283 00:16:36,039 --> 00:16:44,200 Apple got a carve out, and that's like that, that's 284 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,759 not great. It's not a great precedent. I think they 285 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:51,279 had said that their iPhones would have gone from one 286 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:55,279 thousand dollars to like twenty five hundred dollars under the tariffs. 287 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,639 And you know, it makes sense why they would try 288 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:05,480 to get protected from those protectionisms, protectionist policies, right, it 289 00:17:05,519 --> 00:17:08,200 makes sense they want to keep selling iPhones and if 290 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,200 you jack the rate up by one hundred and forty 291 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,440 five percent, then that's going to get reflected in the 292 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,480 price of the of the phones. So that's not great. 293 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:25,200 But like I said, we shall see. Also another piece 294 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:31,400 of economic data. Again, don't draw the larger I'm not 295 00:17:31,559 --> 00:17:36,200 drawing any larger conclusions based on a single data point, however, 296 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:37,920 And I was glad to see that the TAO is 297 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,279 doing a little bit better today, because so far this 298 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:47,440 month it's not good. The TAO has been on track, 299 00:17:47,519 --> 00:17:51,680 is now on track to close out April with its 300 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:58,960 worst historical April performance since nineteen thirty two, which is 301 00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:03,839 the Great Depression. Again, that's not to say that the 302 00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:07,400 entire economy is a wreck and everything is bad. I'm 303 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,839 not saying that. I'm merely pointing out that that is 304 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,279 a data point, and I hope it doesn't like. I 305 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,839 hope that doesn't stay there. I hope it bounces back, right. 306 00:18:16,839 --> 00:18:23,640 I hope we have a stronger economy once these tariff deals, 307 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,880 these trade deals get signed. But that takes time, and 308 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,319 it could be a year, right, we could go through 309 00:18:31,319 --> 00:18:33,880 a year of this kind of uncertainty until all of 310 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,759 the deals are cut. So, all right, that's on the tariffront. 311 00:18:38,319 --> 00:18:40,119 All right, if you're listening to this show, you know 312 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,200 I try to keep up with all sorts of current events, 313 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,279 and I know you do too, and you've probably heard 314 00:18:44,279 --> 00:18:47,000 me say, get your news from multiple sources. 315 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 3: Why. 316 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,839 Speaker 1: Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which is 317 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,319 why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app, 318 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:57,720 and it's a website, and it combines news from around 319 00:18:57,759 --> 00:18:59,880 the world in one place, so you can compare, cover 320 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,160 and verify information. You can check it out at check 321 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,599 dot ground, dot news slash Pete. 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Your subscription 331 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,400 then not only helps my podcast, but it also supports 332 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,920 ground News as they make the media landscape more transparent. Alrighty, 333 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,440 So a development in the race for New York City 334 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:52,200 mayor Why do we care about this, Pete? Ah glad 335 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,640 you asked, because one of the candidates is former New 336 00:19:55,720 --> 00:20:02,599 York Governor Andrew Cuomo. The love gov. Remember him? Yeah? Well, 337 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:10,480 apparently Republicans in Congress have have pretty long memories, which 338 00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:12,519 makes sense because they are the party of the Elephant. 339 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:18,279 The House Overside Chair James Comer is asking the Department 340 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:23,119 of Justice to prosecute former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo 341 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,599 for lying to Congress as part of its investigation into 342 00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:34,680 New York State's handling of the COVID nineteen pandemic. Were 343 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,160 you old enough for that man? That was a crazy time? 344 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:42,519 Holy cow? Yeah? Remember Andrew Cuomo was the governor who 345 00:20:42,599 --> 00:20:50,799 sent COVID infected people into the nursing homes and created 346 00:20:51,319 --> 00:20:55,440 a massive catastrophe among the elderly in New York State. 347 00:20:57,559 --> 00:21:01,000 James Comer is a Kentucky Republican. He accused Cuomo, a 348 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,079 Democrat now running for New York City mayor, of making 349 00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:09,599 criminally false statements around the state's management of the pandemic 350 00:21:09,759 --> 00:21:14,079 in nursing homes. This is according to a piece at Politico. 351 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:19,119 Former Representative Brad Wenstrup, the chair of the now disbanded 352 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:24,440 House Select Committee on the coronavirus pandemic, had previously referred 353 00:21:24,519 --> 00:21:29,079 Cuomo to former Attorney General Merrick Garland for prosecution, a 354 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,799 request that the Biden administration apparently ignored, but Cohmer's decision 355 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,000 to return to the referral suggests that the Trump administration 356 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:45,200 may now be willing to engage. Yes, this is what's 357 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:50,240 called accountability. Andrew Cuomo should not be able to run 358 00:21:50,319 --> 00:21:58,799 for office without this accountability just because the previous administration 359 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,039 didn't want to go after one of their fellow Democrats, 360 00:22:03,519 --> 00:22:06,200 even though the guy was embroiled in scandal. Remember he 361 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,640 was also he was taken out. He was like a 362 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,200 me too, guy too, right, wasn't he didn't something happen 363 00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:20,559 with that? So here is the relevant timeline, as produced 364 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:25,960 by the House Oversight Committee back on March twenty fifth 365 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:28,160 of twenty twenty. So this would have been right at 366 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:33,079 the beginning of the pandemic's outbreak. The Coomo administration recklessly 367 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,799 directed New York nursing homes and long term care facilities 368 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:42,720 to admit COVID positive and potentially COVID positive patients. As 369 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:47,319 a result, New York's most vulnerable population was recklessly exposed 370 00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:52,799 to COVID nineteen. A couple months later, July sixth, twenty twenty, 371 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,160 the New York State Department of Health releases a report 372 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:02,480 alleging nursing home staff caused the excess COVID nineteen deaths 373 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,920 in the nursing homes. Not their directive. We have taken 374 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,920 a look at this and we find ourselves to be 375 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,839 not guilty of this terrible thing. In fact, it was 376 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,359 all of you staffers. You guys brought the COVID into 377 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,960 the nursing homes. Now at the time, just as an aside, 378 00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:28,799 I was advocating to quarantine the nursing homes. You set 379 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,880 up a quarantine for staff, You set up a quarantine 380 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,240 for the patients, for the residents of the nursing homes, 381 00:23:35,279 --> 00:23:39,880 of all facilities, right, that would seem to be well 382 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,960 positioned to prevent the spread of COVID nineteen. You would 383 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,599 think it would be a nursing home with controlled access, 384 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,640 nobody gets in or out. According to witness testimony and 385 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:58,240 new documents revealed in the Select Subcommittee's referral, mister Cuomo 386 00:23:58,759 --> 00:24:05,880 personally drafted and edited portions of this purportedly independent and 387 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,440 peer reviewed report. That's what they build this as an 388 00:24:09,519 --> 00:24:14,440 independent and peer reviewed report. Spoiler alert, it was neither 389 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:19,680 independent nor peer reviewed. Fast forward in another six months, 390 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:23,400 or so. Now you're into January of twenty twenty one, 391 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,839 and New York State Attorney General Letitia James is forging 392 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,759 document No, I'm kidding, No, she wasn't forging documents. It's 393 00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:35,880 just a joke, just lying on mortgage applications. But anyway, 394 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,079 she released an investigative report claiming in part that mister 395 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,440 Cuomo and his team undercounted the total number of nursing 396 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,000 home deaths by as much as fifty percent. That was 397 00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:51,359 in January twenty twenty one. Fast forward a little bit 398 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,839 more than two years. We are now in May of 399 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:59,039 twenty twenty three. The Congressional House Select Subcommittee begins its 400 00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:04,640 investigation into New York's pandemic response and that disastrous March 401 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,480 twenty fifth directive that sent all of the patients into 402 00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:12,720 the nursing homes. As part of that investigation, the Select 403 00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:18,640 Subcommittee conducted transcribed interviews with New York state officials at 404 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,720 the time, and then they list them all. That was 405 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:29,119 May twenty twenty three. Fast forward another six months or so, 406 00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:34,359 December twenty twenty three. December one, the Select Subcommittee requests 407 00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:39,519 Governor Cuomo appear for a transcribed interview. They tried to 408 00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:43,160 negotiate with him and his advisors and attorneys. They tried 409 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,039 to accommodate him in all the ways that they could. 410 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,720 And then, after three months of that not bearing any fruit, 411 00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:56,599 what the committee says, months of unjustified and unreasonable delays, 412 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,000 the Select Subcommittee was forced to announce a subpoena from 413 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:04,880 mister Cuomo's testimony that was in March twenty twenty four. Sorry, 414 00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:08,720 so a year. They spent over a year trying to 415 00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:12,519 get this guy to sit for a transcribed interview. Finally 416 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:17,000 they subpoena him March twenty twenty four. June twenty four, 417 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,279 Cuomo appears for a transcribed interview, and during that interview, 418 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:27,880 he testified that he was not involved in drafting the 419 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,680 directive the New York or sorry, the report on the 420 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,400 cause that was released in July of what was it 421 00:26:35,519 --> 00:26:39,200 twenty twenty right, because the New York State Department of 422 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,720 Health released its report blaming the nursing home staff, and 423 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:46,559 Cuomo said he was not involved in drafting that report, 424 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:50,000 and he said he did not review the report prior 425 00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:57,039 to its public release. However, new evidence demonstrates these statements 426 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:04,359 to be false. September this past September, the Select Subcommittee 427 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,519 releases a nearly fifty page memo presenting the evidence that 428 00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:13,200 Cuomo and his team were involved in the decision to 429 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:18,680 issue the disastrous directive and then acted repeatedly to downplay 430 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:24,640 the tragic aftermath of their decision. Cuomo's attorneys expressed her 431 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:30,119 objections regarding the memo. In an effort to address those objections, 432 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,480 the Select Subcommittee sent a series of additional questions to 433 00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:40,960 a former witness concerning his recent communication with Cuomo. September tenth. 434 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:44,759 The next day, Cuomo appears at a hearing at which 435 00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:47,799 he was held publicly accountable for his role in New 436 00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:52,119 York's pandemic era failures. Same day, the Select Subcommitte announces 437 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,599 a subpoena for current New York Governor Kathy Keel. Her 438 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,960 administration has continued to withhold documents related to the Quoma 439 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:05,519 Administration's nursing home disaster. September twenty fifth, the Select Subcommittee 440 00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:11,000 releases evidence suggesting mister Cuomo attempted to inappropriately influence a witness, 441 00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:17,119 and October thirtieth, twenty twenty four, mister Cuomo was referred 442 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,240 to the Justice Department for making false statements to Congress, 443 00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:24,839 and then, of course Merrick Garland, Attorney General at the time, 444 00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:30,440 did nothing. And so now with a new Attorney general 445 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,359 in place, we would like to see something occur. All right, 446 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,759 So spring is here a time of renewal and celebrations. 447 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,519 You've got graduations, weddings, anniversaries and the special days for 448 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,960 mom and dad. Your family's making memories that are going 449 00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:46,400 to last a lifetime. 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Did you know this? 470 00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:02,319 He's the front runner in the Democratic primary for New 471 00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:06,480 York City mayor. But the scandal around nursing home deaths 472 00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:10,319 through twenty twenty throughout twenty twenty, paired with the sexual 473 00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:13,519 harassment allegations that forced him to resign as governor in 474 00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:18,599 twenty twenty one, are haunting his comeback attempt as they should, 475 00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:24,279 As they absolutely should. Como has sought to direct blame 476 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,839 elsewhere for the March twenty fifth directive in twenty twenty. 477 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,200 That was the nursing home directive, which required elder care 478 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,799 facilities to accept COVID positive patients. But his rivals in 479 00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:40,759 the mayoral primary to challenge the sitting mayor, Eric Adams 480 00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:45,200 have banded together to highlight Como's decision to expose a 481 00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:48,440 vulnerable population to the deadly virus and accuse him of 482 00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:51,599 undercounting the deaths in elder care facilities that occurred as 483 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,599 a result. So you have this dynamic occurring where these 484 00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:59,200 Democrats are all vying for power in the Democrat primary. 485 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:04,680 So they are the ones that are now joining together 486 00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:09,880 to savage Andrew Cuomo. Had Andrew Cuomo not run for 487 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,599 mayor and not tried to best them for the mayorship, 488 00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:19,880 they would not be engaged in this kind of accounting, right, 489 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,720 And we do need an accounting. You can call it 490 00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:27,359 a debrief or an autopsy of post mortem whatever. There 491 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,240 needs to be an assessment of the COVID policies that 492 00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:38,160 were enacted. And there needs to be an assessment, a 493 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:43,359 reconciliation process, if you will, an accounting of not just 494 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:49,319 the policies, but the people who advanced those policies. We 495 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,000 played the SoundBite in the past of Mandy Cohen, who 496 00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:55,720 was not only had it going on, but also, as 497 00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:58,359 I understand it from the song, but she also was 498 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,200 our Health and Human Service as secretary here in North Carolina, 499 00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:08,039 and after Cooper was gone and Cohen was gone. She 500 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:14,559 does some discussion about, you know, her times as the 501 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:17,039 Secretary of Health and Name and Services during the pandemic. 502 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,599 I think it was up at Harvard or something. I 503 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,559 don't remember. The location doesn't matter, but she's she's laughing 504 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,400 about how she would call up people she knew in 505 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,720 different states and ask them, Oh, are you locking everybody down? 506 00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:30,839 Speaker 3: Oh? 507 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're totally locking them down. Okay, then we will too. 508 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,880 There was like, that's not science, right, that's political science. 509 00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:44,400 That's polling, right, that's trying to get a trying to 510 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,279 get an idea of where the herd is going, so 511 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,680 you too can join the herd. And that's not utilizing science. 512 00:32:55,039 --> 00:33:00,440 There has to be a reckoning. And I don't say 513 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,400 that in order to punish people who, in hindsight made 514 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,839 the wrong decisions. I say that so we don't ever 515 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:14,160 do the bad policies again. We never see another March 516 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:19,799 twenty fifth directive. When you have an airborne respiratory virus 517 00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:25,559 that is highly communicable and particularly dangerous to the older population, 518 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:31,359 you don't send people into those facilities like New York 519 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,680 State did. Right. That's just one example of this stuff. 520 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:41,359 Here's another one. You don't shut down beaches and skateparks outside, right, 521 00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:48,640 you don't ban church gatherings outside. We should all know 522 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,920 which policies worked, and we should know when the policies 523 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,599 that didn't work were approved, how did they get approved, 524 00:33:57,599 --> 00:33:59,799 So we know that whatever process was used to a 525 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:04,279 of it, we don't replicate that in future pandemics or 526 00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:09,719 emergencies because some of the stuff may have worked, right, 527 00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:12,480 I mean very little of it, but like you want 528 00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:14,800 to identify the stuff that worked and the stuff that 529 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,039 didn't work. Cuomo claimed that he was not involved in 530 00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:21,239 a New York State Department of Health report on the 531 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,320 nursing home crisis, but later said he did not recall 532 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,599 reviewing or revising the report. But the Republican led panel 533 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:34,119 House Oversight concluded that Cuomo did, in fact seek to 534 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,800 alter the report as part of an effort to cover 535 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:44,639 up the fallout. Of course he did, and because of 536 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,039 course he did. The fact that you had to do 537 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:50,280 the report in the first place is indicative of the 538 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,239 amount of heat this guy was facing because of the 539 00:34:54,320 --> 00:35:01,800 directive in the first place. Earlier, we talked to Andrew 540 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,960 Dunn about state symbols and the Moravian Cookie. I got 541 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,280 a message here from Denny who says, when voting for 542 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,639 the official state cookie of North Carolina, there is no 543 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,920 way that I would vote for the Moravian cookie over 544 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,000 the moonpie. Let's not miss this opportunity. See, but here's 545 00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:22,320 the thing. The moonpie isn't North Carolina. A Kentucky coal 546 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:28,599 miner asked a traveling salesman for a snack that was 547 00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:32,800 as big as the moon. Earl Mitchell was the salesman. 548 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,000 He reported back to the place that he was a 549 00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:40,599 salesman for the bakery and they obliged with a tasty 550 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:46,559 treat named the moon Pie. That bakery was in Chattanooga, Tennessee. 551 00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:49,960 Chattanooga Bakery produced over one hundred items, but they knew 552 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,320 they had something special with the moonpie at five cents apiece, 553 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,320 and they started flying off the shelves. So I don't 554 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,800 think we can claim the moon pie as the official 555 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,199 oky of North Carolina. I would also suggest it's more 556 00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:05,920 of a pastry. I think all right, that'll do it 557 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,599 for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I 558 00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:10,760 could not do the show without your support and the 559 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,840 support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast. So 560 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,960 if you'd like, please support them too and tell them 561 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,960 you heard it here. 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