WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:01.639 Oh better that are. 2 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:37.320 Trigger warn This podcast may include explicit content that will 3 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:39.439 take you out of your comfort zone and make you 4 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:40.439 question reality. 5 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:42.840 Listener's discretion is advised. 6 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:14.799 Hello, and welcome back to the show. This is the 7 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:21.400 third installment of Into the culti Verse, featuring Me and 8 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:23.560 coldby Colby. 9 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:28.519 How are you spectacular? Feeling extra culty? 10 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:34.040 Yeah, because you were saying, as I was watching Ghostbusters 11 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:36.879 for as an Empire, but you feel like you have 12 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:37.879 the inck on you? 13 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:40.879 Yeah. My choice this week is a little on the 14 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:46.079 darker side. It's full of all sorts of fucked up shit. 15 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:51.000 So I think you're going first this week, because if 16 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:54.519 you're gonna stop listening, it's going to be after Julia's 17 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:56.840 eleven word long. Cold. 18 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:02.400 Well, you know you compared it to when I was 19 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:08.280 researching of stuff for the Pedaphocracy, like McMartin preschool and 20 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:11.520 stuff like that, Like it does after a while you 21 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:14.719 start kind of feeling black pilled a little bit. And 22 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:19.039 maybe that's just my opinion, but it almost made me 23 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:22.000 feel like when I was researching that stuff, like what 24 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:26.639 is the point of life exactly? I mean, the bad 25 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:28.479 guy literally wins. 26 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:33.159 In the end. Sometimes sometimes that must mean the good 27 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:34.560 guy sometimes wins. 28 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:37.240 But you know what I'm saying, It's like I got 29 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:41.360 to the point where I was like, there's no stopping this. 30 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:47.639 Well, I mean, God did put us on this planet 31 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:51.199 to suffer? If you ask some people, maybe I don't know. 32 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:54.479 I don't feel like that. But at the same time, 33 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:57.439 I mean I get what you mean. I just got 34 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:03.240 kind of depressed almost when I was researching that stuff. Well, 35 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:05.840 it also makes me feel like my life is pretty 36 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:10.919 fucking good when I'm researching how bad some people have it. 37 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:17.080 Does it involve kids very much? So? Yeah? See that's 38 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:23.240 where it's like, yeah, maybe our life is better than most, 39 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:26.840 but how many kids are out there right now as 40 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:29.599 we're recording this just getting molested as fuck? 41 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:34.879 Six? Probably more in this on this block. 42 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:38.439 Maybe I'll give you that on this block. 43 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:40.159 It's pretty molesty block. 44 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:44.080 Yeah, you got molested last week? You want to tell 45 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:45.360 the listeners about it? 46 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:48.000 I'm gonna wear So why don't you tell them. 47 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:49.919 I'm molested you all the time? 48 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:50.919 Oh? 49 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:55.719 Actually I'm molested you this week, didn't I daily? That's 50 00:03:55.759 --> 00:03:59.199 what I thought. Maybe I'll molest you later. I feel lucky. 51 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:03.120 So I gave a teaser to the last in the 52 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:10.479 last episode that my cult was eleven letters long or yes, sorry, 53 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:15.520 eleven words long. No peaking at my notes. I'm going first, 54 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:18.040 and so do you want me to jump right in 55 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:23.639 or you want to wrap up anything from the last show? 56 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:26.199 Did you find anything else out? 57 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:30.680 No? I didn't really feel compelled to watch any of 58 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:33.480 the anime from the No Science coat. 59 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:38.439 What did I cover again? Oh? The Thuggie cult. Well, 60 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:42.199 I have been talking a little bit with like JJ 61 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:45.839 Vance from the Occult Rejects, and he's been looking into 62 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:50.040 a lot of other cults who worship Cali and so 63 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:54.800 I guess I mean the Thuggie wouldn't be alone in 64 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:58.079 that aspect. There's been a lot of like Cali colts, 65 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:01.839 but I think the Thuggi it were the most murderous 66 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:05.360 out of all of them. So I don't know. I 67 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:10.519 thought that was kind of interesting. But uh Mi cult 68 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:19.680 was formed in Uganda and it was called the Movement 69 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:26.560 for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God. Try 70 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:28.040 fitting that on a crop top. 71 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:31.600 Yeah, they probably didn't sell many bumper stickers. 72 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:35.839 No, That's why I was saying, if you have this 73 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:39.879 many words in your title, it's like you should just 74 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:42.759 give up before you even get started. Nobody's gonna remember 75 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:47.759 that shit, the Movement for the Restoration of the Ten 76 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:51.000 Commandments of God. Don't you think they could have just 77 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:53.160 called it the Ten Commandments Cult? 78 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:55.439 So did some guy think of this when he was 79 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:57.480 trying to take a shit and he was reading the Bible? 80 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:02.480 No? But you remember you said, oh, it must be 81 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:07.600 an English speaking cult, or it must be no, I asked, yeah, Well, 82 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:09.800 I didn't want to give too much away. But a 83 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:12.720 lot of people in Uganda actually speaks. 84 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:18.959 English, so and English English colonized right right? 85 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:22.800 Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they also speak whatever their 86 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:28.000 native language is too. But most of the members of yeah, 87 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.759 what is it Swahili or something? I don't know what 88 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:31.319 it's called. 89 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:33.120 Why don't you look it up? 90 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:36.079 I don't feel like it. That's the point, though, is 91 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:38.759 a lot of the people who were in the Movement 92 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:44.000 for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God spoke English. 93 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:48.360 They gave interviews later, the surviving members. I hope I 94 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:51.000 didn't give too much away just then, but at least 95 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:58.319 one member does their leader. I mean, it's almost too much, 96 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:01.240 but I'm glad I'm going first because I feel like 97 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:05.279 yours is gonna be even worse. But their leader his 98 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:07.720 name was Joseph Kibuwa Terry. 99 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:13.000 So maybe he really named the cult such a long 100 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:16.120 convoluted title because his name's kind of a mouthful. 101 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:18.680 Joseph with Terry Gibua Terry. 102 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:22.680 So did you check on pronunciation on that? 103 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:29.519 Yeah? And you guess what else? You're never gonna believe it. 104 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:35.000 He was featured on an episode. 105 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:37.399 Don't say Ghost Adventures. 106 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:38.199 Of Ancient Aliens. 107 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:39.639 Oh, that's a little better. 108 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:46.360 They did a cults episode and some of these were mentioned, 109 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:48.439 not all of the ones that I picked, but some 110 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:48.879 of them. 111 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:52.120 Well, so far two out of three. 112 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:56.959 Well, it's the same reason that the uh. 113 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:58.240 Is that where you got the idea to cover those. 114 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:03.519 Two from Ancia Aliens Buggies and these guys, I mean, 115 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:07.319 I remembered them being in an episode, But you know how, 116 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:10.439 I never agree with what the final conclusion is. Just 117 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:13.439 like I said, the Cali worshiping thing was weird to me, 118 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:15.639 and I didn't think that that could be all there 119 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:20.160 was to it. They said that this guy was contacting 120 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:26.040 an extraterresque and so I don't think that at all, obviously, 121 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:34.159 But Joseph Kibbuwiri claimed to be in direct communication with 122 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:40.679 the Virgin Mary through electronic devices in his home, like 123 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:46.240 fucking Heather o'uroric in Poltergeist type shit, Like all of 124 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:51.840 his electronic devices were possessed by the Virgin Mary. 125 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.279 So what about year is this? 126 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:01.039 So it comes to ahead. 127 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:05.480 Around like when he's first talking to his toaster in. 128 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:08.960 The eighties, but it comes to a head in nineteen 129 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:15.720 ninety nine. So it was a pretty decently long run 130 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:21.080 if you ask me for a cult like this, you know. 131 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:27.759 But so Joseph Kibbuwi claimed he was getting static electricity 132 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:32.720 phone calls from the Virgin Mary and she was telling 133 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:41.240 him things about the future, and he started becoming prophetic 134 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:46.279 and having visions, and he predicted the world would end 135 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:52.600 on twelve thirty one, nineteen ninety nine. 136 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:55.879 That's not an original thought, by the way, wasn't. 137 00:09:55.679 --> 00:10:01.879 It something like that in you remember Ghostbusters two when 138 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:05.440 he's interviewing the psychic and he says that the world's 139 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:07.480 going to end in what nineteen. 140 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:09.120 Ninety Yeah, Valentine's Day? 141 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.039 That was, Oh yeah, Valentine's Day. 142 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:14.679 He's like, why don't you push it out a few years? 143 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:18.320 Help out your book sales a little bit. You're not 144 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:20.360 even going to make it to paperback. 145 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:26.080 Right, So he predicted the world would end December thirty first, 146 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:32.399 nineteen ninety nine, But when the date passed without incident, 147 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:37.440 he decided to take matters into his own hands. But 148 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:40.279 before we go into that, I want to give you 149 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:46.399 a little backstory. The goals of the movement for the 150 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:51.440 restoration of the Tin Commandments of God were to, of course, 151 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:57.000 first off, obey the ten Commandments and to preach the 152 00:10:57.039 --> 00:11:03.840 word of Jesus Christ. They thought that to avoid damnation 153 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:10.440 in the apocalypse, one had to strictly follow the ten Commandments. 154 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:12.639 Once again, nothing original here. 155 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:17.639 So the emphasis on the commandments was so strong that 156 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:23.120 the group was discouraged from talking for fear of breaking 157 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:28.360 the ninth commandment, thou shalt not bear false witness against 158 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:33.960 thy neighbor. And on some days communication was only conducted 159 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:39.080 in sign language. And mind you, this went on for 160 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:43.000 at least what the eighties to the nineties, so ten 161 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:44.799 years of sign language. 162 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:49.320 So why does talking with your hands stop you from lying? 163 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:55.639 Why does he think the world's gonna end on December 164 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:59.399 thirty first, nineteen ninety ninety And he's getting static electricity 165 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:02.960 phone call from the Virgin Mary's bee hole. I mean, 166 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:06.399 it's just like these are the This is why I 167 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:09.759 say I brought it up in the last episode. But 168 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:13.120 you almost have to wonder if there aren't levels of 169 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.720 psychopathy to all these cult leaders. It's like, Okay, I'm 170 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.000 gonna start this cult and you can't even talk. You can't. 171 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.600 You gotta use sign language, you gotta do It's like, 172 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.919 come on now, it's just all control and fear. You 173 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:27.639 know what I'm saying. 174 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.080 Well, we are covering colts. It is the tactics used 175 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:36.120 throughout most but. 176 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:42.279 So fasting was conducted regularly and only one meal was 177 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:49.000 eaten on Fridays and Mondays. So again it's like this 178 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:52.919 control aspect. They don't talk to each other, they're not 179 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:59.559 eating except for one meal on Fridays and Mondays, and 180 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:04.639 sex was forbidden and soap was forbidden. 181 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:07.639 Put me out of business. 182 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:13.519 I mean, I'm walking away after you know I'm opinionated. 183 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:17.480 You take away my speech, I'm out, you take away 184 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:22.000 my soap, I'm definitely out. But the worst offense you 185 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:26.480 could commit against me is taking my sex away. But 186 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:31.639 you might know this, you've committed this offense and paid 187 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:38.799 for it. This group also believed aids to be a 188 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:44.080 punishment from God due to a breach of the sixth 189 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:49.799 commandment to not commit adultery. So that's when they ruled 190 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:57.559 sex out completely. And according to Joseph Kibawitteri, God got 191 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:01.200 so mad he gave every everybody aids. 192 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:06.039 God got so mad he created doctor Fauci. 193 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:09.759 Well, I don't know if they know about Fauci, probably not. 194 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:14.200 Back then, maybe Fauci was calling emstatic electricity through the 195 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:15.000 TV set. 196 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:18.559 You want to wash your hands at least twelve times 197 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:21.480 a day. It's going to be hard with that soap. 198 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:28.200 So with the new year looming, activity by cult members 199 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:34.639 became frenzied. The leaders, so it was Joseph Kibbawati and 200 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:37.960 then a couple other guys I'll talk about in a minute, 201 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:43.480 urged the members to confess their sins in preparation for 202 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:47.039 the end of time, and they so sold all of 203 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:52.320 their clothes, they sold all their cattle. People who used 204 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:58.720 to be members of the movement got re recruited, and 205 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:03.360 everyone who was working in the fields totally quit and 206 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:08.200 they just walked away from all everything. But as we 207 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:13.679 all know, January first, two thousand passed without advent of 208 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:20.440 the apocalypse, and the movement began to unravel any questions 209 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:21.120 so far. 210 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:23.519 So, how many people are in this thing? 211 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:27.320 Well, I can't give it away yet because well I'm 212 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:33.080 about to, but quite a few. So the new year 213 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:38.679 rolls around, are they localized in Yeah, under the solar temple. 214 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:41.799 All these assholes are in one place. You know, they 215 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:45.639 had this whole Switzerland, France, Canada thing going on. All 216 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:50.120 these people are in Uganda. But so, like I said 217 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:55.120 to January first rolls around, nobody's no apocalypto. Nothing happened, 218 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:59.799 and people start questioning them and they're like, fuck you, motherfucker. 219 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:02.960 We sold all of our clothes, we sold all of 220 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:05.799 our cattles. We haven't fucked our wife in ten years, 221 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:09.279 we've been speaking in sign language, and we haven't soaked 222 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:13.720 our bee hole. They're upset. They've only been eaten on 223 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:18.960 Mondays and Fridays. I mean, you can see how. 224 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:23.039 I also wonder why he put the days so close 225 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:27.919 together that Monday to Friday stretch would be rough. Yeah, 226 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:29.039 Friday to Monday. 227 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:32.440 I could do Friday to Monday, but then you gotta 228 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:34.679 go the rest of the week till the next. 229 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:37.519 Friday, Friday, and Tuesday. 230 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:42.000 Because he's an asshole. He told everybody that the world 231 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:44.399 was going to end, and they sold everything that they had. 232 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:46.679 I mean, then he said, you can't have sex with 233 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:48.679 your wife or soap your beeple. 234 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:51.480 And I'm guessing the money went into the colt oh 235 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:56.039 one hundred always the case, right, Yeah, But. 236 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:59.320 In order to save his ass from making all these 237 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:01.679 predictions said the world was going to end, he had 238 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:04.559 to take things into his own hands, as I kind 239 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:09.799 of said earlier. So what he did was he poisoned 240 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:16.200 the shit out of his followers, and he threw some 241 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:21.000 of their bodies down wells, and some of them were 242 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:26.799 buried in huge dugout pits. And last but certainly not 243 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:31.039 least five hundred of them he locked into a wood 244 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:39.440 church building and he said it a blaze, a fucking blaze. 245 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:45.480 And so in the end, seven hundred and fifty bodies 246 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:50.799 were uncovered. But that number actually changes the further we 247 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:55.799 go along in the story. So any questions about seven 248 00:17:55.880 --> 00:18:00.880 hundred and fifty being a member of this cult, no, 249 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:05.880 doesn't that seem cray cry to you? Seven hundred and 250 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:09.200 fifty people were willing to give up eating soap on 251 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:12.279 their bee holes, sex with their wives, and communication. 252 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:17.759 Nothing surprises me with masses of people anymore. We lived 253 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:24.119 through COVID. But so you believe in somebody enough, he'll 254 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:26.440 fucking do anything, even though it doesn't make sense. 255 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.759 But babe, wouldn't you be the type of person that 256 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:33.000 would be like, let me let me see you talking 257 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:36.720 to the Virgin Mary through your TV set, Like let's 258 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:40.200 see some miracles and some proof of this shit. Like 259 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:42.440 I'd be like, call her up right now and let 260 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:43.200 me talk to her. 261 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:46.200 If this is I still wouldn't fucking joy And even 262 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:47.920 if he should talk to her in front. 263 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:50.680 Of me, because I don't know if you listen to 264 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:54.440 this episode, but somebody I covered in the past that 265 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:59.240 Dolfo Constanzo. He claimed that he could make people invisible 266 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.079 and bullet per and all of these drug lords were 267 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:06.599 recruiting him to make their men invisible and bulletproof because 268 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:08.640 he was supposed to be some kind of a wizard. 269 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:12.319 And it's like, all right, let's try it out. Let's 270 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:15.039 like literally get one of your guys, say all right, 271 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.599 make him invisible and bulletproof, shoot him in the head. 272 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:23.079 And see if he dies invisible or invincible, like you. 273 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:27.960 Can't visible to the enemy and bulletproof. 274 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.599 Yeah, you think you'd want to demonstrate it. You're right. 275 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:33.640 That's what I'm saying, is like, how come nobody ever 276 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:38.400 ask for proof of this stuff? No proof? 277 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:43.440 That's what I always ask religious people. But I mean 278 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:48.759 faith is a concept that comes up in numerous areas 279 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:52.720 in life. So I wouldn't say this is any dumber 280 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:55.640 than a lot of stuff people believe. Seven hundred and 281 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:57.319 fifty is a pretty small group of people. 282 00:19:58.039 --> 00:19:59.920 I think it's a big group of people. 283 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:05.039 Yeah, relatively when you look at some of these other cults. 284 00:20:05.960 --> 00:20:09.160 The company died in San Diego with Heaven's Gate. 285 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:15.559 Not seven hundred and fifty. No, maybe fifty, maybe twenty. 286 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:17.799 But I actually have it in my notes that it's 287 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:22.680 interesting that all three Heaven's Gate, Solar Temple, and Kibblewood 288 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:28.839 Terry's cult where were happening around the same time. So 289 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:33.599 they and they all were like channeling beings and stuff, 290 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:39.240 you know, Heaven's Gate, Solar Temple, and Kibba with Terry. 291 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:42.240 They were all getting messages that the world was gonna end, 292 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:46.839 that the apocalypse was near. They were all functioning independently 293 00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:50.799 of each other in the same era. Do you think 294 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:52.960 that there's stuff like that going on right now? We 295 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:55.119 just won't know about it until there's a bunch of 296 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:56.119 bodies that turn up. 297 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:00.000 Well, apparently Jared Leto's got some weird shit going on, 298 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:03.599 but if you ask Joe Rogan, he's not doing anything wrong. 299 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:08.480 Jared Leto started a cult. What is it? A vampire cult? 300 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:10.200 What is what's the cult? 301 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:13.680 I don't know. But he's operating out a fucking lookout mountain. 302 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:16.880 So is it just for the rich and famous or 303 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:17.839 anybody can join? 304 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:21.160 I think you have to be hot, with nice titties, 305 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:24.000 so or a shiny sch long. 306 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:26.559 I could potentially join in the future. 307 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:27.599 You probably should. 308 00:21:28.119 --> 00:21:29.960 I feel like I just want to see what it's 309 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:30.960 all about. 310 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:34.720 Well, it's funny it did come up. I don't even 311 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:38.440 remember who. Joe Rogan was talking to Tim Dillon, I think, 312 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:41.799 and Tim Dillon was bringing it up, saying it was 313 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:44.759 weird that Jared Letto thinks he's Jesus now and has 314 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:45.079 a cult. 315 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:46.920 Well, he thinks he's Jesus. 316 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:49.440 I mean, have you seen some of the fucking videos 317 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:52.799 he's made where he's talking and he's like wearing a 318 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:56.799 Jesus type robe and he's got his long hair. But 319 00:21:56.920 --> 00:22:00.480 Joe Rogan just immediately started defending him, which shouldn't surprise 320 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:03.680 any of us. But Jamie pulled up some stuff that 321 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:05.759 debunked it being a cult. It's just a bunch of 322 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:09.319 people having good time listening to thirty seconds from Mars 323 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:13.920 and they're like, yeah, it's just like Eslin, nothing to 324 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:15.680 worry about. 325 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:18.880 Is he really thinking he's Jesus. 326 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:23.640 I think Jared Leto is Jesus myself. 327 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:29.000 Really wow. So I mean, if I could get into 328 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:31.559 the cold, I flashed my tits or whatever just to 329 00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:32.000 get it in. 330 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:33.359 Do you think Jared Leto's hot? 331 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:36.039 It's not that he's hot. I just want to know 332 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:41.359 what goes on up there. Look out Mountain Laboratory. That's like, 333 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:46.319 that's like exclusive unless you have to like blood in 334 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:48.839 or something. I'm not doing that shit. But if it's 335 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:50.359 just hot tits, it's just. 336 00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:53.160 A bunch of fucking people get in listening to music. 337 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:54.599 Nothing to worry about. 338 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:57.279 Nothing at all. Right, Oh wow. 339 00:22:56.920 --> 00:22:58.680 It's just like Eslin. It's all good. 340 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.440 So I want to actually take a closer look at 341 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:07.000 the day in question that all of this went down 342 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:11.559 with the poisoning and the burying and the burning of 343 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:12.920 the seven to fifty body. 344 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:15.440 So did he do this January first of two thousand. 345 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:19.319 Well, see the problem with it is that investigators say, 346 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:22.640 there's no fucking way he could have because of the 347 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:28.599 hundreds that were found buried in graves and strown about. 348 00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:33.400 And so it was like investigators questioned what really happened 349 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:38.839 that day. But this is the story they say on Doomsday, 350 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:44.559 as they call it. The locals said that the movement 351 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:50.640 held a massive party in some city where they roasted 352 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:57.039 three bulls and they drank seventy crates of coca cola specifically, 353 00:23:58.519 --> 00:24:02.119 And at some point during this party, nearby villagers heard 354 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:07.319 an explosion, and they looked and found that the building 355 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:10.200 in which the party was taking place was engulfed in 356 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:13.880 an intense fire that ended up killing five hundred and 357 00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:18.720 thirty people that were in attendance. The windows and doors 358 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:21.960 of the building had been boarded up to prevent people 359 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:25.680 from leaving, And then of course they found some poisoned 360 00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:28.799 outside of the building, and then they found some buried 361 00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:33.960 outside of the building, and a neighbor who lived near 362 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:37.640 the colt later said that the fire caused everything to 363 00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:42.119 be covered and smoked soot in the stench of burnt flesh, 364 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:46.680 and that many could not eat meat for several months 365 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:51.440 after the fire because it was so intense especial. I mean, 366 00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:56.559 that's pretty Craig Craig, right. So the fire alerted the 367 00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:00.960 Ugandan authorities as to what had been a occurring in 368 00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:06.480 the movement. But so several days before they hosted this party. 369 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:10.599 One of the leaders, because Joseph was kind of like 370 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:12.920 in over his head at one point, and recruited some 371 00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:16.720 other dudes to like beat upper echelon with him, and 372 00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:19.160 they were like co captains, if you will. One of 373 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:24.519 them's name was Dominic and he had been seen buying 374 00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:30.720 fifty leaders of sulfuric acid, which they presume is what 375 00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:38.519 started the fire. But the whereabouts of the five principal 376 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:48.519 cult leaders Joseph Kibbawati, another guy named Joseph Cassawapari, John Kamagara, 377 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:59.440 Dominic Carabaro, and Fredonia Merwidi are unknown to this day. 378 00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:06.160 Maybe they hopped on the hell Bop comment with Marshall Applewaite, Well. 379 00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:14.640 When you know something like this has happened, and all 380 00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:20.720 five of these fucks are unknown whereabouts, missing up until today. 381 00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:23.720 Don't you start feeling like there's something. 382 00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:30.279 Afoot, like intelligence tires. Yeah, that's usually my go to. 383 00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:35.400 They just up and disappeared in Uganda. Nobody can find them. 384 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:37.319 I just I don't know. 385 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:44.559 To me, that just seems so give you a terry also, huh, 386 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:46.079 give you a terry also. 387 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:48.759 And I never heard from me, never heard from it again. 388 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.200 And he had a wife, not that I'm aware of. 389 00:26:55.039 --> 00:27:00.759 So four days after the church fire, police investigated the 390 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:07.000 movement's properties and discovered hundreds of bodies at sites all 391 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:12.640 across southern Uganda. Six bodies were discovered sealed in the 392 00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:19.119 latrine of one of the compounds, as well as one 393 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:24.000 hundred and fifty three bodies at a compound in another city, 394 00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:31.000 one hundred and fifty five bodies at Dominick's house where 395 00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:36.480 they had been poisoned and stabbed to death, and another 396 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:43.319 eighty one bodies were at the other Joseph's house. So 397 00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:47.519 there was Joseph Kibbuwitari and then Joseph what I'm not 398 00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:50.319 even going to try to pronounce it, this douchebag's last name. 399 00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:51.000 But so. 400 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:55.720 One hundred and fifty five bodies found at Dominick's house, 401 00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.799 eighty one bodies found at the Other Joseph's house, and 402 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.880 the police stated that they had been murdered about three 403 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:10.599 weeks before the church inferno, which seems odd since the 404 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:14.759 whole let's burn everybody up in the fire thing was 405 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:17.440 because the apocalypse didn't happen. 406 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.039 So none of these people killed themselves willanly. 407 00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:27.759 No, And in recent news a twenty twenty BBC report 408 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:32.839 suggested that the bodies had actually accumulated over several years 409 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.880 and the cult may have actually just been a bunch 410 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:42.079 of homicidal maniacs on a killing spree, but. 411 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:44.559 In the end were killing each other. 412 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:51.000 No, the five were homicidal maniacs on a killing spree because, 413 00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:51.920 like I. 414 00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:56.799 Said, if the world doesn't end, but then we're just 415 00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:57.880 gonna have to kill all these five. 416 00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:01.119 No, they said that the body that were found at 417 00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:05.839 the Other Joseph's house, in Dominic's house eighty one plus 418 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:08.599 one hundred and fifty five, they had been murdered three 419 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:13.319 weeks before January first. So what sense does that make? 420 00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:16.839 I don't know. It feels like there's a lot of 421 00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:20.039 information where not privy. 422 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:22.960 Too, but in this twenty twenty report. It says it's 423 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:27.759 more likely that the body's accumulated over several years because 424 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.400 of the amount. How are you gonna how do you 425 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.839 murder one hundred and fifty five people in one day? 426 00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.799 If you're not They were all stabbed. 427 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:42.720 One hundred and fifty five, five guys. 428 00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:45.519 Eighty one at the other guy's house. 429 00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:53.920 So that's like thirty six thirty six what a piece? 430 00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:57.000 Thirty six apiece, one hundred and fifty five. 431 00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:01.599 It's all stabbed, but then there's the eighty one, so 432 00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:07.640 that'd be yeah, it'd be like up in the forties apiece. 433 00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.559 Do you think that's possible in one day? In one day? 434 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:12.640 Possible? 435 00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:14.920 I don't think so. 436 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:17.240 I mean you'd have to stop every once in a 437 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:20.559 while a while to eat a granola bar, keep on 438 00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:22.559 stabbing well. 439 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:28.640 In the end, medical examiners determined that the majority of 440 00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:31.880 the three hundred and ninety five individuals who did not 441 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:37.039 die in the fire had been poisoned or stabbed, and 442 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:41.680 early reports suggested that they had been strangled based on 443 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.839 the presence of twisted banana fibers around their necks. 444 00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:48.440 Banana fibers, what's. 445 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.480 That they take something off a banana tree or something 446 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.160 and twist it up and check a motherfucker. Never heard 447 00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:00.519 I write the article, babe. I'm just telling you what found. 448 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.720 They found twisted banana fibers around. 449 00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.559 Their necks, so they strangled them with bananas. 450 00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:11.599 I mean, I don't know if you could strangle a 451 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.000 person with a banana, I mean a banana pill. 452 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:15.279 Maybe, I don't know. 453 00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:17.559 You'd have to tie them all together, make some kind 454 00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:21.200 of cystem, have some kind of contraption. 455 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:23.799 A banana rope. 456 00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:29.559 So, after searching all the sites, the police announced that 457 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:34.799 the final death toll was settled at nine hundred and 458 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:40.319 twenty four total, so almost a thousand people, which is 459 00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:44.079 six more than the People's Temple in nineteen seventy eight. 460 00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:47.200 And all this was supposed to have went down in 461 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.240 one day. 462 00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:51.680 It's weird. This one's not well known. 463 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:54.519 Isn't that interesting? 464 00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:57.119 Did they talk about all this shit on ancient aliens? 465 00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:02.599 No, they just mentioned that Joseph Kibbawitteri had a cult 466 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.000 and that he was channeling an extraterrestrial who identified herself 467 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:11.480 as the Virgin Mary, and that he ended up setting 468 00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:14.440 some people on fire in the end. They didn't go 469 00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:17.720 into all these specific details like this, and they were 470 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.960 collecting bodies over years and burying them all over their 471 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:24.839 properties and stuff, because then it would make less sense 472 00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:29.200 that he was communicating with an extraterrestrial in my opinion, 473 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:34.960 if he was just a homicidal weirdo. Right. So, scholars 474 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.440 have compared the movement for the Restoration of the Ten 475 00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:43.839 Commandments of God to other similar movements in terms of 476 00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:48.759 the scale of the deaths, and it's been compared to 477 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:54.960 people's temple deaths at Jonestown, it's been compared to the 478 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:59.559 Solar Temple, and it's also been compared to the Doomsday 479 00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:05.240 could run by What's hiss fuck that we talked about 480 00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:11.039 in the last episode the Tuggies. No, the half blind guy. 481 00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:14.160 Yeah, I always forget the name of the cult. 482 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.039 Well, it was called the Doomsday Colt or some call 483 00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:22.160 it the um Shrinko shrink Shrioko. 484 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:24.960 Yeah, I'm shrik I forget. 485 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:33.240 Yes, So that it's been compared to all three of 486 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:34.240 those cults, I. 487 00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:38.759 Don't really see the parallels with Doomsday Oh well, fuck, 488 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:40.400 I mean a lot of them have that you can 489 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:42.240 compare them to Heaven's Gate. 490 00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:47.119 I would compare them more to Heaven's Gate and Solar 491 00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:54.880 Temple with the fiery explosions and the you know, bodies 492 00:33:54.960 --> 00:34:00.319 keep pupping, bodies keep popping up. But so the Vice 493 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:06.480 President of Uganda said these were callously well orchestrated mass murders, 494 00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:13.440 perpetrated by a network of diabolic, benevolent criminals masquerading as 495 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:18.000 religious people. So he also did not think that they 496 00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:24.320 were sincere or genuine in their motivation. I guess you 497 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.119 could say behind the cult. 498 00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:27.320 They rarely are. 499 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:33.159 And so this is part of the interesting shit about 500 00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:36.039 this cult that I just I mean, it might be 501 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:38.800 a stretch or it could be dead on and I 502 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:43.920 just don't really understand what the connection is. But somehow 503 00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:47.079 AIDS gets connected to this, and. 504 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:49.679 AIDS is going to come up in my cult too. 505 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.800 Yeah, so they're trying to say they started this cult 506 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:57.400 because of AIDS and the connection is that the AIDS 507 00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:03.000 epidemic in Uganda had has been viewed by scholars as 508 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:09.920 particularly influential in the cult's development because at the time, 509 00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.760 Uganda had one of the highest rates of HIV and 510 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:21.239 AIDS infection in the world. And one of the former 511 00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:25.800 members of the cult that survived his name was Paul 512 00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:30.800 is a Kaare, and he said his motivation to join 513 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:33.960 the Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of 514 00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:40.440 God is as follows quote. I joined the movement as 515 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:46.440 a protest against the Catholic Church. We had good intentions. 516 00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:51.960 The church was backsliding, the priests were covered in scandals, 517 00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:56.719 and the AIDS scourge was taking its toll on the faithful. 518 00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:03.480 The world seemed poised to end end quote. So they're 519 00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:08.679 blaming scandals in the Catholic Church and the AIDS epidemic 520 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:11.920 on how Joseph Kibbawa Terry was able to pull this 521 00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:16.039 off for nearly ten years, murdering hundreds of people along 522 00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:20.639 the way. Okay, do you see how AIDS fits into it? 523 00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:26.480 Well, it was a scary time. There was this these 524 00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:31.320 weird deaths popping up, and you know the way that 525 00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:35.000 the media covered it, and then he threw AZT in 526 00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:40.320 the mix, and motherfuckers just started dropping dead. I could 527 00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:43.199 see it causing an uprising of fear. 528 00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:47.960 But if since we know what we know about Fauci 529 00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:51.639 basically and AIDS in general, and AIDS in general, like 530 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:56.000 Fauci basically was the engineer of AIDS, right. 531 00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:59.800 I mean, that's the speculation if you follow the trail. 532 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.199 But he at least capitalized on it and killed a 533 00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:04.320 lot of people with EZT. 534 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.960 So they were so scared of AIDS and in the 535 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:13.239 movement for the Restoration of the Law, they said that 536 00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:19.920 AIDS was a punishment for not following the Ten Commandments. 537 00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.639 So you could see how like a pandemic like that 538 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:27.519 kind of like COVID. What COVID did to people's minds. 539 00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:30.719 It could scare you into thinking like the world really 540 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.519 was coming to an end, Like look at the QAnon stuff. 541 00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:37.840 I mean nobody you know, a thousand people didn't die 542 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:42.440 being a part of QAnon, but thousands of people died 543 00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:46.159 due to COVID stuff, you know what I mean. 544 00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:48.239 See the first part again. 545 00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:50.559 That pandemics can cause. 546 00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:52.880 Yeah, but with the QAnon. 547 00:37:54.119 --> 00:38:00.159 Because of COVID, people started like believing that q and 548 00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:02.880 on stuff was real and like we were gonna have 549 00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:06.519 a mask. Do you remember when masks shut down of 550 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.239 electricity and stuff. 551 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:09.119 In days of darkness? 552 00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:11.440 Yeah? Do you remember that? Do you see how I'm saying, 553 00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:15.800 like pandemics can cause people to start searching for into 554 00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:18.559 the world type things. So if you were in the 555 00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:22.480 middle of AIDS and you felt like it was a 556 00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.480 judgment on you from God. How you could see how 557 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:27.960 people would be like, yeah, the end of the world 558 00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.760 is coming. Maybe just if Kibbawittaria is right. 559 00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:34.119 I mean, fear mixed people do all sorts of irrational shit. 560 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.639 It makes you believe if you walk into a restaurant 561 00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:41.000 you need to wear your mask until you sit down 562 00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:45.800 at your table because you know you're told to. 563 00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:48.320 Yeah, all I'm saying is I guess I see how 564 00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:50.800 they're saying. AIDS could have played a part in the 565 00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:52.599 formation of this group. 566 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.920 And this was in an area of the world where 567 00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:58.159 it was really out of control. 568 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.880 But the reason I bring up COVID is because if 569 00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:05.480 COVID caused mass hysteria like this, it was also perpetrated 570 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.960 by Anthony Fauci and so is An AIDS and AIDS 571 00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:13.079 actually started a cult that's killed almost a thousand people 572 00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:13.840 in Uganda. 573 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:17.639 So you're coming around to understanding the AIDS thing, because 574 00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:19.800 at first you were like saying you didn't I. 575 00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:21.960 Didn't get it at first, but now I'm starting to 576 00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:24.639 get it. But my thing is, if we're going to 577 00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:27.960 take this story about the Uganda cult in a thousand 578 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.639 dead because of AIDS, and then all the people who 579 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:35.079 died of AIDS, including Freddy Mercury rip. And then we're 580 00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.480 going to take Eddy Mercury probably died from AZT he 581 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.559 probably well, he died of faucida and then he all 582 00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:43.000 if we take all the people who died from COVID, 583 00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:48.599 and we could say that Actually, uh, Anthony Fauci rivals 584 00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:51.239 Barram from the Thuggie cult as being one of the 585 00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:53.559 most prolific mass murderers of all time. 586 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:55.719 Yeah, and he's just a henchman. 587 00:39:56.800 --> 00:40:02.440 But so wasn't Baram? Right, So the Guinness Book of 588 00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:06.199 World Record says Burram is the most prolific serial killer 589 00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.599 who's ever lived. I would say Bill Gates and Fauci 590 00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:09.679 could probably top him. 591 00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:12.199 Yeah, and they'll both go down in the history books as. 592 00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:18.239 Heroes, philanthropists and such great scientists and saviors. 593 00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.559 Uh not scientists. I am the science. 594 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:27.480 He is the science. Right. Anyways, that's the movement for 595 00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.760 the restoration of the Ten Commandments of God. What did 596 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:32.239 you think I. 597 00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:33.880 Need to make a movement myself? 598 00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:35.199 You got a poop? 599 00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:39.280 That was the joke. No, it was good. I'm curious 600 00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:45.719 to learn more about it because it seems like yeah, 601 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:46.880 five guys. 602 00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:50.440 A thousand people, let's just round up. 603 00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.960 Yeah, those the math doesn't add up. 604 00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:58.840 Well, that's why the BBC report said, logically they probably 605 00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.880 collected those body over the course of several years. 606 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.159 There was no sign of any suicide. 607 00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:10.679 No, they were either strangled or poisoned, or stabbed or 608 00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:11.840 burnt to a crisp. 609 00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:15.880 I mean maybe if you only speak in sign language 610 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:16.639 and refuse to. 611 00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:19.119 Have sex or soap your bee hole. 612 00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.079 This is a blessing in disguise. 613 00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:29.079 Would you give it one out of ten talking televisions? 614 00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:32.800 Four? Four? 615 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.599 You need to justify your answer because I'm almost offended 616 00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:41.519 on behalf of the movement of the restoration of the 617 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:43.440 tink Commandments of God. I don't know. 618 00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:45.719 Maybe it's just that I don't know enough. It just 619 00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:47.360 seems like a. 620 00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:49.480 Am I not good at presenting this stuff. I'm starting 621 00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.159 to think I'm not a good presenter of cults. 622 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:53.400 It has nothing to do with. 623 00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:55.280 You, because I feel like you said that about the 624 00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:56.159 Solar Temple. 625 00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:58.920 Are you reading these as well? Yeah? 626 00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:01.920 I would give the movement of the restoration of the 627 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:06.079 Ten Commandments of God at least eight out of ten 628 00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:07.719 talking televisions? 629 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:10.880 All right, I think that you haven't been though what 630 00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:13.960 rating them? You've just been asking me to rate them. 631 00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:18.360 So I rate your cult The Stone. Maybe I can't 632 00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:20.400 even remember and it's my own show. 633 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:22.840 You said you liked Happy Science better than Synanon. 634 00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:25.920 Yeah, I'm giving sin and On a like a two 635 00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:27.960 out of ten Cynanons that. 636 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:29.159 No. 637 00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:31.480 No, I feel like I'm not a good presenter. 638 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:34.639 No, because you always say you need more information. Maybe 639 00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:37.960 I'm not digging far enough in is that it? 640 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:41.239 No, I don't feel like the information's out there with 641 00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:45.079 some of the stuff you've reported, like this, this one right. 642 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:47.400 Here, I gave you all I could find. 643 00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:51.440 Like I said, I'm not critiquing. I'm not giving Julia 644 00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:57.840 four out of ten researcher points. You asked what I 645 00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.280 thought of the story of the cult. But know what 646 00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:01.800 makes me sad? What? 647 00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:05.320 This has been my favorite cult I've covered so far. 648 00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:07.480 We do not have to think alike. 649 00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:12.960 I think it's just so interesting that he piled these 650 00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:16.639 bodies up for several years, and like he almost killed 651 00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:20.239 a thousand people because of AIDS since he was heather 652 00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:24.320 or roarking and talking to the Virgin Mary through his TV. 653 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:28.400 I mean, I think that's that's pretty cool. That's dope 654 00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:32.199 as fuck as far as deadly colts go that are unknown. 655 00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:37.280 You'd never heard about it. And his last name is 656 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.760 Kibble with Terry, all right, ten out of ten Kibble 657 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:42.400 with Terries, all of it. 658 00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:43.519 I'm switching my answer. 659 00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:48.280 Oh, don't switch it now, you already gave it. I 660 00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:50.760 don't want your sympathy. Kibble with Terries. 661 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:53.840 Well, like I said, I wasn't given you the eating. 662 00:43:55.159 --> 00:44:03.920 So anyways, any closing thoughts on Kibble Terry. 663 00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:08.039 Don't get AIDS. Yeah, I guess practice safe but sex 664 00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:09.400 m h. 665 00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:12.519 Europ smalls. 666 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:19.280 This week, I'm presenting to all of you find cult 667 00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:25.519 members out there, the Children of God, known today as 668 00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:32.360 the Family International. Now, Julia, when you hear children of God, 669 00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:40.159 what comes to mind, religion wise? Just those words? Or 670 00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:41.519 children of God cult? 671 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.440 Oh, well, that makes me think of something totally different 672 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:53.639 than Children of God. Children of God cult. I don't know, uh, 673 00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.800 some type of Christian cult. 674 00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:01.719 Well. I did give a hint at the end of 675 00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:06.719 last episode about with Phoenix rising from the ashes only 676 00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:08.400 to be eaten by the viper? 677 00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:12.519 Do you remember very cryptic clue? 678 00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:14.800 I didn't explain it to you afterward. 679 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.239 You did, but yeah, I'm not gonna say what it is. 680 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:22.559 Well, I was alluding to River Phoenix because his family 681 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:27.440 was part of this, and I think that Joaquin was 682 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:32.800 a little kid. But we know about Rose McGowan and 683 00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:37.360 Joaquin and River Phoenix being brought up in this cult. 684 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.360 I think Joaquin was pretty young when they got out 685 00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:43.880 of it. But that's how I had heard of this 686 00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:47.639 when it first came onto my radar. I'd heard about 687 00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:54.519 how there was this weird Christian cult in California. It 688 00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:56.360 turns out it was kind of all over the place, 689 00:45:56.440 --> 00:46:01.400 but the story does originate in California. As the leader 690 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:06.400 one David Berg. He was born in Oakland, California, in 691 00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:11.320 nineteen nineteen. And I'll just talk about kind of his 692 00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:13.360 story end upbringing and real quick. 693 00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.960 Rose McGowan is the blonde chick from Scream that dies 694 00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:19.559 in the Dog Door. 695 00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:27.880 Correct, continue And she was also, you know, quite vocal 696 00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:32.639 during the Me Too movement with the Harvey Winds. 697 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:35.239 Yes, I didn't know about that, but I just wanted 698 00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:36.840 to make sure it was the same one that died 699 00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:37.639 in the dog Door. 700 00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:41.400 Yeah, Rose McGowan, she'd been in a few movies in 701 00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:45.480 the nineties, Weinstein. She got Weinstein. 702 00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:46.719 Mm hmm. 703 00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:48.440 She was in the movie Jawbreakers. 704 00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:53.639 She was cute. It was Have you seen her recently? 705 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:55.639 She looks the same to me. She just sent you 706 00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.719 for her. You haven't seen her. I've seen her, and 707 00:46:58.800 --> 00:46:59.960 you don't think she's still cute. 708 00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:03.760 I think she was cuter in the nineties before she 709 00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:06.519 got Weinstein took some of her joy away. 710 00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:09.880 You know, Well, she was the one who's clapping back 711 00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:11.880 against a lot of these fakers. 712 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:13.679 Oh my god, I thought you were going to say 713 00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:17.320 something totally different what I thought you were going to say. Well, 714 00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:19.719 she was the one clapping ass for Weinstein. 715 00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:21.880 Clapping ass, yeah. 716 00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:25.559 Clapping her ass cheeks, tworking on his dick, popping that puss, 717 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:26.760 bouncing on the d. 718 00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:36.400 Go ahead, all right. David Berg was the leader of 719 00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:41.400 this thing. And to understand the fucked upidness of the 720 00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:44.760 children of God, you gotta peek into his past a 721 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:49.199 little bit. Like I said, he was born in nineteen nineteen. Well, 722 00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:55.320 he came from a long line of Christians, almost evangelical 723 00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:59.599 or what do you call the group that your family 724 00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:02.320 was a part of, Pentecostal. 725 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:06.719 Pinecostal Pentecostal, Pentecostal Pentecostal. 726 00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:12.760 Right, yeah, and so his grandpa what was his name, 727 00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:19.360 John Lincoln, and this guy was the real deal. In fact, 728 00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:23.079 there's still churches. Let's see if I could see this 729 00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:28.039 that he started that are still active today, like you 730 00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:29.159 know you see your. 731 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:31.480 Like regular Pentecostal churches. 732 00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:35.719 Yeah, it was the Disciples of Christ. And if it's 733 00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:38.679 the Church of Christ, do you ever see the Church 734 00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:40.760 of Christ that's from him? 735 00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:44.519 I didn't know the Church of Christ was Pentecostal though. 736 00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:51.280 Well he may not have been as much. But his daughter, 737 00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:57.599 Virginia Lee Brandt, her story kind of spills over into 738 00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:03.199 like how David became what he became. So she was 739 00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:07.800 the daughter of this evangelical guy and she wasn't having 740 00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:12.079 any of it, and when she got older, she kind 741 00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:17.360 of broke off and did her own thing. The story 742 00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:21.840 goes she was in an accident where she was thrown 743 00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:26.320 from a horse buggy and she broke her back and 744 00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:32.239 she couldn't walk, and then miraculously, by the hand of God, 745 00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:36.519 she was healed and so she became a believer again. 746 00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:40.880 But it turns out all that was bullshit. She went 747 00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:44.199 cut herself off from her family. 748 00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:47.400 And was she wasn't thrown off a horse. 749 00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:50.000 Yeah. So when I first started looking into this and 750 00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:53.360 I read into that story, a lot of sources just 751 00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:56.320 said said it like it was so, And then you 752 00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:58.559 start getting into it. It turns out the years that 753 00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:03.480 she said she was bedridden and immobile, she was actually 754 00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:07.280 rebellion and she was going to a college and she 755 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:14.719 was an atheist. But then she met Hejalmer Emmanuel Berg, 756 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:20.239 and that is David's dad, and he came from a 757 00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:26.360 long line of Christians that also were kind of evangelical. 758 00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:31.280 They had like a circus trooper, a theatrical stage show 759 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:36.760 that they would travel with a circus act. Well that's 760 00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:39.280 what I'm saying it was, but it was like theater, 761 00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:43.840 you know. And yeah, he did do some circus shit 762 00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:44.920 if I remember. 763 00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:48.719 Right in the name of God or separate. 764 00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:53.360 He's from Smaland whatever the fuck that is. 765 00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:56.079 I don't even think that's a real place. She that 766 00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:57.119 sounds made. 767 00:50:56.920 --> 00:51:05.719 A Calmer castle near or near Kamal. So it's in Sweden, Okay, Swedish. 768 00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:09.159 He's Swedish. Yeah, and he has a circus act for 769 00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:13.639 the Lord. What a what a guy? 770 00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:22.119 So, Dad, there's no picture. David comes into the world, 771 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:27.480 and he's got these two evangelical parents, and he was 772 00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:34.199 a horn dog from the beginning, chronic MASTURBATORO no. And 773 00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:37.400 he was caught by his mother yanking at one time 774 00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:41.559 when he was really young, and she brought in a 775 00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:44.599 bowl and a knife and told him that if he 776 00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:48.159 didn't start playing with his wienie, she was going to 777 00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:48.880 chop it off. 778 00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:51.679 She made him masturbate. 779 00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.880 Well, actually, that's you're getting ahead of me. But she 780 00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:58.880 told him if she if he didn't stop playing with it, oh. 781 00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:01.000 If he didn't stop, she was going to cut it off. 782 00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:03.800 Yeah, like she was trying to get him to quit masturbating. 783 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.400 Like circumcision, but the actual hole tip of the dick, 784 00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:10.840 just off. 785 00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.239 The whole tip is circumcision. The whole dick would be 786 00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:17.800 what she was threatening. But anyway, years later, when he 787 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:20.639 was in his early teens, she walked him on him 788 00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:26.440 doing it again. This time she went and got all 789 00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:31.360 of his family, brought them down there and made him finish. 790 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:37.280 And that that's like when you get caught smoking, you 791 00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:38.559 can gonna smoke the whole pack. 792 00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:41.840 Now, oh my god, So. 793 00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:47.320 To me, this this incident really plays out and it 794 00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:49.880 plays a huge role in what this guy is going 795 00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:50.360 to become. 796 00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:52.679 And how do you even keep your chub going in 797 00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:55.960 front of your family enough to finish I don't know. 798 00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:58.880 Could you look into the eyes of your mother and 799 00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:00.079 keep your chub on? 800 00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:05.639 Well, it even gets weirder because she had a tour 801 00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.719 she was on and he was with her. This is 802 00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:11.559 when he was nineteen and one night they were in 803 00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:17.920 a hotel room and they shared a bed and it 804 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:21.679 was really cold, and his mom embraced him, and he 805 00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:26.719 describes this in a letter he wrote later, and we'll 806 00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:30.360 get into these letters, but he basically said that he'd 807 00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:33.599 never been so aroused and that if his mom would 808 00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:35.679 have been into it, he definitely would have fucked her. 809 00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:40.360 I mean, he describes this in great detail. So once 810 00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:44.320 he gets his movement going, he writes a whole series 811 00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:47.400 of letters and that was one of them. 812 00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:49.000 So he's just perverted. 813 00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:53.280 Oh just wait, it's the perversion is only starting here. 814 00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:58.920 After moving around with his family in nineteen forty nine, 815 00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:04.679 David gains his first pastorate in Arizona. Shortly after, in 816 00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:10.039 nineteen fifty, he has a falling out and gets kicked 817 00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:16.000 out of the church, and this initiates a huge distaste 818 00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:20.559 for organized religion. So he starts kind of figuring out, 819 00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:23.599 how am I going to do this differently? And he's 820 00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:27.000 still hanging out with his mom quite a bit, and 821 00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:32.199 he notices where they were. This was probably somewhere in California. 822 00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:37.400 She was starting to feed people and she would make 823 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:41.400 peanut butter sandwiches and all these hippies would start coming in, 824 00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:45.800 and she told David that these people needed to be 825 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:49.320 saved and that they were hungry for Jesus and peanut 826 00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:52.639 butter apparently, so that kind of plants the seed in 827 00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:58.440 his head. He ends up getting married, having four kids 828 00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:03.760 with a woman named Jane. In nineteen sixty sixty eight. 829 00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:07.199 The family ends up in Huntington Beach and at this 830 00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:11.440 point his kids, well, I'm not saying his kids started 831 00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:14.239 the band, but they were in a band called the 832 00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:20.679 Berg Family Singers and they sang Christian music. Eventually they 833 00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:26.280 became teens for Christ. But in Huntingdon Beach, they would 834 00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:29.960 post up outside of a coffee shop and they would 835 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:33.079 play pop music and then people would kind of gather 836 00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:36.559 around to watch the kids perform, and then they would 837 00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:42.000 lure them into the coffee shop and start the recruitment program. 838 00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:46.320 So initially this thing was a lot like all these 839 00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:48.960 cults in California at this time period. It was a 840 00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:53.599 lot of disillusioned hippies. You know, they'd been burned by 841 00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:57.239 the free love thing and they were looking for answers elsewhere. 842 00:55:58.039 --> 00:55:59.760 And so this was kind of one of the cults 843 00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:04.280 that it took, you know, the Manson model, but they 844 00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:09.360 did something quite different with it. A few dozen young 845 00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:13.440 hippies join and it really starts to snowball at this point. 846 00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:17.320 By nineteen sixty nine, they have around two hundred members 847 00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:23.440 and they establish a colony outside the ghost town of Thurber, Texas, 848 00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:28.000 on a four hundred and twenty five acre ranch belonging 849 00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:28.519 to sul. 850 00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:31.000 They get from California to. 851 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:34.360 Texas well, they moved around, and I think at this 852 00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:38.000 point they had already tried to like establish themselves in 853 00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:40.239 Arizona and that was short lived, and then they end 854 00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:43.679 up in Texas and the guy that so this was 855 00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:47.119 a place called Soul Clinic, and it was a non 856 00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:53.119 denominal organization ran by an evangelist, a television evangelist that 857 00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:58.599 Berg knew from his past, and they set up there 858 00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:03.960 and so his followers went by biblical names, and he 859 00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:06.639 broke them up into twelve groups that were supposed to 860 00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:12.119 represent the twelve tribes of Israel. And they were, you know, 861 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:15.960 to earn their keep at the soul clinic on this 862 00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:22.039 ranch outside of this ghost town. They did work and 863 00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:25.599 it was real meager in the beginning. They didn't eat 864 00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:29.559 a lot. What they did eat, it was not very 865 00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:34.280 high quality. And they really want to start growing this 866 00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:36.400 thing and expanding it. 867 00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.519 Was it just stuff they could grow or yeah? 868 00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:41.559 They I mean they were on a ranch and they 869 00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:46.039 would get food, but they also part of the work 870 00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:49.880 detail was to go out into neighboring towns and find food. 871 00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:52.679 And so, like I said, at this time, there's only 872 00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:55.840 a couple of avenge Yeah, I mean, were they were. 873 00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:57.599 Desperate like dumpster diving? 874 00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:00.400 Yeah, I mean there's testimony of people saying and they're 875 00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:06.000 eating like rotten food. Absolutely not some of the some 876 00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:08.159 of the people that were on the compound got so 877 00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:11.239 hungry that they're eating, you know, food that was supposed 878 00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:12.199 to be for the livestock. 879 00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:17.719 Okay, can we not have a relationship with God without 880 00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:24.119 all of this? This is just a regular Christian based well. 881 00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:27.519 In the beginning, he told the followers that he was 882 00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:33.920 first starting to amass, that you guys have tried rebellying 883 00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:37.440 against the system, and he called he coined the system 884 00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:44.119 as something that was the law, organized religion, your family, 885 00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:46.760 and he wanted you to break away from all of it. 886 00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:49.599 And he said, and this is this kind of reminds 887 00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:51.480 me of the shit I would see in the nineties. 888 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:56.280 Was these guys who were all buttoned down and they 889 00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:59.039 want to They're talking like the kids, and they're saying, 890 00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:04.119 you know, knew who was really radical, Jesus, And if 891 00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:07.320 you want to rebel against the system, you do it 892 00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:12.000 through Jesus. And so that was the whole mentality. And 893 00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:15.480 so these people, like a lot of these guys said 894 00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:20.960 that being on this in this colony in Texas, that 895 00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:24.280 they had like drug addiction problems and their lives were 896 00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:27.039 fucked up. But they actually got clean and sober and 897 00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:30.840 found Jesus through this, So it wasn't all negative. 898 00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:36.119 I just I guess as a sane person, I just 899 00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:38.480 don't know why you'd need any of that to have 900 00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:40.760 your own relationship with the Lord. 901 00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:43.760 They wanted to be spending time with the Lord. 902 00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:47.039 Yeah, to eat rotten food out of a Dempster. 903 00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:52.280 Well, and that's another thing, is like, uh, his grandpa, 904 00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:57.719 so his mom's dad. He really preached minimalism, you know. 905 00:59:57.840 --> 00:59:59.840 Okay, but why couldn't one of them at least have 906 00:59:59.880 --> 01:00:02.960 a job working a fruit stand or something to generate 907 01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:04.159 a little cash flow. 908 01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:06.280 Well, I'm sure there was stuff like that going on. 909 01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:11.519 So that they could at least eat normal foods. 910 01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:12.639 Well at one point, and this kind of reminds me 911 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:18.079 of the dude from Synanon. Once things start to get 912 01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:22.920 a little bit better, you know, he benefits from that 913 01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:26.159 and he gets his own little place, and the others 914 01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:30.039 still have to live this very meager existence unless you're 915 01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:33.679 in his inner circle. But they start growing quite a bit. 916 01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:38.760 They travel around and they recruit other lost souls, a 917 01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:39.880 lot of them, you know. 918 01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:42.920 People hungry for dumpster garland. 919 01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:45.360 I mean, think about the hippie lifestyle at the time. 920 01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:47.199 A lot of these people were used to that shit. 921 01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:54.559 Really, Yeah, hippies were eating out of the dumpster too, 922 01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:58.239 for sure. Can no one afford a cheeseburger. 923 01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:03.559 This was the sixties, Well, this was the late sixties. 924 01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:07.599 He started this thing. The first official year of Children 925 01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.239 of God was nineteen sixty eight. 926 01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:13.280 Do you know how much a cheeseburger costed in nineteen 927 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:16.880 sixty eight. You're saying not one of them could afford 928 01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:17.760 to eat. 929 01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:21.079 Real well, And when you joined this thing, you you 930 01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:26.519 parted ways with your finances, with your familial ties. I 931 01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:30.880 mean this was cult one oh one. So yeah, these 932 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:36.280 people were sacrificing for a better cause in their minds. 933 01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:40.519 I'm not gonna say anything else about the diet teing situation, 934 01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:43.119 but I'm disturbed and I don't like it. 935 01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:49.480 Okay, well, we're gonna start getting into the weird stuff 936 01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:50.400 here in a second. 937 01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:53.199 The dumpster diving isn't part of the weird stuff. 938 01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:56.679 That's gonna look like nothing when we're done with all this. 939 01:01:57.039 --> 01:02:00.760 Sure, but you know how I am about food. I 940 01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:01.960 just couldn't imagine. 941 01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:07.039 So like before, he ends up having a falling out 942 01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.800 with the guy who ran the soul clinic in Texas 943 01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:13.960 and they gotta go. Something I did fail to mention. 944 01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:18.599 Before they moved out here in California, he had said 945 01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:21.119 that there was a major earthquake coming, and I think 946 01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:24.599 he said in forty days, And of course it didn't happen, 947 01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:29.800 And people still were on board with this at one point, 948 01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:31.480 and I think this might have been a little bit 949 01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:34.280 later down the road. He mentioned that there was going 950 01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:38.960 to be a common impact with Earth and that didn't happen. 951 01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:44.760 And he also once the seventies are all around, he 952 01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:48.840 says that America is going to fall and they should 953 01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:53.920 get out. I mean, he had a thing where he 954 01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:57.519 would let other people kind of do the preaching, and 955 01:02:57.639 --> 01:03:04.719 somebody prophesied that the king would return and it was 956 01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:07.679 going to be David. But he was talking about David 957 01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:10.840 of the Bible. Yeah, King David, and a lot of people. Yeah. 958 01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:14.480 In fact, when you start getting into this, King David 959 01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:19.000 was one of the pseudonyms that Berg went by. But 960 01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:22.760 he saw the positive response to this, and he told 961 01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:25.960 all his followers that that sermon was based on him 962 01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:31.000 and that he was He also claimed to be Moses. 963 01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:33.840 I mean, if you look at his picture here, this 964 01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:34.920 is what this guy looked like. 965 01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:40.239 Yeah, he looks like a Charlottean, don't they all. But 966 01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:46.400 in Christianity, we don't believe in reincarnation. So what was 967 01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:48.199 this stuff about. 968 01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:51.639 I didn't start the fucking thing, so wouldn't. 969 01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:54.800 Oh my god, It's like I can't even I can't 970 01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:57.159 even talk because I'm so pissed. 971 01:03:58.760 --> 01:03:59.400 We'll just wait. 972 01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:04.840 No, I'm just saying, if it were you, and let's 973 01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:08.159 just say, in some stretch of the imagination, you were 974 01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:09.800 interested in Christianity. 975 01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:11.840 I was at one point in my life. 976 01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:16.920 Hey, the guy you're eating out of a fucking sonic 977 01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:20.400 dumpster and his none of his predictions are coming true 978 01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:25.280 and you're still and then he's claiming reincarnation and stuff. 979 01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:29.400 It's like, if you were Moses or King David, wouldn't 980 01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:33.239 you have at least got the fucking earthquake right? He's 981 01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:37.320 getting nothing right and I'm eating a fucking dumpster dog. 982 01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:41.960 Well, it's like the lifestyle if you're mad now. 983 01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:45.280 But wouldn't that be a red flag to you? 984 01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:47.760 No? I would follow this guy to the end, obviously. 985 01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:51.280 It's just I this is the country we live in 986 01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:54.400 where people do stuff like this. 987 01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:57.679 Well, you just talked about a cult that was in Uganda. 988 01:04:57.719 --> 01:04:59.599 Can we not just say it's part of the human 989 01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:02.400 condition that people are looking for answers and when they 990 01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:05.679 see them somewhere, they tie themselves to it entirely. 991 01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:08.920 This just makes me want to become a hermit somewhere 992 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:11.719 and never introduce myself to any new people. 993 01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:17.440 Ever, again, that sounds like a good answer. So at 994 01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:20.360 this point, you know, he'd been kicked out of the 995 01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:26.000 ranch in Texas. He's been telling his followers that he 996 01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:30.280 is Moses King, David, father, David. I mean, he had 997 01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:36.920 a lot of nicknames, Chairman, Moe, David, Fontaine, Dad, Grandpa. 998 01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:42.280 And he did start going by mo sh short for Moses. 999 01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:45.639 And you know when I mentioned that he had talked 1000 01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:49.440 about that experience with his mom in the hotel, that 1001 01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:53.719 was part of a series of these things he would do, 1002 01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:56.960 and they ended up calling them the Mo letters. I mean, 1003 01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:58.960 you can go back in the way back machine and 1004 01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:00.920 read all of these and I mean there. 1005 01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:02.760 Is that he got a stiff one for his mom, 1006 01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:03.320 there's hunt. 1007 01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:06.280 Oh, there's stuff that he talks about in here. We'll 1008 01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:10.880 start to get into that. So he visits Europe, Israel, 1009 01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:15.239 and Cyprus in the early seventies and he ends up 1010 01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:19.239 getting kicked out of Israel the Holy Land. Yeah, and 1011 01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:21.239 at that point he kind of starts to take on 1012 01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:26.000 an anti Semitic angle, much like what we're seeing today. 1013 01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:29.159 How do you get kicked out of the Holy Land? 1014 01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:32.960 Something to do with paperwork, But he took it as 1015 01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:34.239 being really it wasn't. 1016 01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:36.400 Like being on Jesus's tomb or anything. 1017 01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:38.760 Is Jesus' tomb in Israel? 1018 01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:41.840 Isn't that part of the Holy Land. 1019 01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:44.199 St I have no idea about the tomb. 1020 01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:45.800 I don't know either, honestly. 1021 01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:50.599 So this thing does start to rapidly grow. I think 1022 01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:55.760 they ended up getting by the early seventies, they had 1023 01:06:55.840 --> 01:07:02.599 like twelve thousand devout followers of this thing. And everywhere 1024 01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:06.519 he goes the religion they call it a religion, it 1025 01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:11.079 breaks off and there's these tiny compounds and they correspond 1026 01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:14.960 with the leader through these letters that he writes. And 1027 01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:20.519 you know, of course this was before the Internet. So anyway, 1028 01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:27.679 when he is in London, they figure out a way. 1029 01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:31.519 Oh he also for I got to include this part. 1030 01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:36.000 He got a message from God saying that, you know, 1031 01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:42.320 polyamory was okay, and in fact, if you look at 1032 01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:45.199 the Bible, it was quite common. So he starts doing 1033 01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:49.480 some of the Mormon shit and he announces to his 1034 01:07:49.519 --> 01:07:55.639 followers that he's going to take a second wife. And 1035 01:07:56.719 --> 01:08:00.960 it's crazy because Jane, his first wife, had recruited this 1036 01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:07.039 young woman named Karen Zerby, and she was pretty young 1037 01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:09.440 at the time. I think David was twenty eight years 1038 01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:14.199 older than her, but Jane went to the house where 1039 01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:18.640 her parents were and distracted them and they kidnapped her essentially. 1040 01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:22.159 I mean, I think she was of age. But they 1041 01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:26.319 left and David really saw something in her and this. 1042 01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:30.279 Yeah hot young tits and ask yeah, but she wasn't 1043 01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:34.640 even that hot. Maybe to him she was, well he. 1044 01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:40.159 Saw something in her or otherwise and this young puss. 1045 01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:43.119 I don't know if this is what inspired his revelation to. 1046 01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:45.600 Where, you know, I'm sure it had something to do 1047 01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:46.119 with it. 1048 01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:51.920 Polyamory slash polygamy. I think it would be more polyamory, but. 1049 01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:57.960 Polyamory wasn't in the Bible. Polygamy was polygamy was not 1050 01:08:58.159 --> 01:08:59.399 fuck whoever. 1051 01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:01.279 Well, here's the thing, and when you take on multiple 1052 01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:07.439 wives in this country, it's it's not legal marriage. So 1053 01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:10.560 if you take on a second wife, third wife, of course, 1054 01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:14.199 it's just between y'all. It has nothing to do with 1055 01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:18.399 the state. So he's still technically married to Jane. But 1056 01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:21.359 he also takes on Karen and in one of his 1057 01:09:21.399 --> 01:09:25.479 mo letters he's describing like how they were interacting with 1058 01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:28.199 each other and talks about how she was a virgin 1059 01:09:28.239 --> 01:09:31.039 and it was just necking it first. It took me 1060 01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:34.720 a long time to open her up. Open her up, well, 1061 01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:44.960 I think those were the very words he used. But anyway, 1062 01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:49.520 he takes her as his second wife. They end up 1063 01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:53.640 going over to London in nineteen seventy two. 1064 01:09:54.119 --> 01:09:55.520 Ge wife over there. 1065 01:09:55.720 --> 01:10:00.520 No, he starts to incorporate this practice called flirty fishing. 1066 01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:04.479 And other cults have done this, but he's the one 1067 01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:08.279 that gave it a name. And so you would entice 1068 01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:13.920 others to join by sending out the women to sleep 1069 01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:16.600 with people, and then when once that happened, you would 1070 01:10:16.600 --> 01:10:17.560 try to recruit them. 1071 01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:19.199 Do you zan women? 1072 01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:23.319 I think it was mainly men, and they were going after, 1073 01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:28.800 you know, people with money because because. 1074 01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:30.600 They were tired of eating dumpster dogs. 1075 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:32.399 Well at this point I think they had kind of 1076 01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:37.800 moved past that. But they ended up in this resort 1077 01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:43.479 in the Canary Islands where Karen who I think she 1078 01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:50.560 went by Mama Maria or mother Maria Mama, and she 1079 01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:56.560 was said to have like at this one hotel, I 1080 01:10:56.600 --> 01:11:00.720 think she slept with God, it was a handful of dudes. 1081 01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:04.079 And when you did this filthy flirting or filthy flirting, 1082 01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:08.760 this flirty fishing, you had to like document all of it, 1083 01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:11.039 and the people who were doing this they had to 1084 01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:15.119 report once a month to David and say this is 1085 01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:18.319 how many suck this is this is what we did. 1086 01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:22.600 And this person has joined now and YadA, YadA, YadA. 1087 01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:26.359 But anyway, so they're keeping score. 1088 01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:33.800 Yeah, she at one point at this hotel, she had 1089 01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:37.920 been with god I think it was like fifty something 1090 01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:44.279 guys what And she ended up getting pregnant. And it 1091 01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:48.079 was a guy named Carlos Rodriguez. He was a maintenance 1092 01:11:48.119 --> 01:11:53.520 guy at this hotel, and they ended up having this 1093 01:11:53.680 --> 01:12:01.159 kid named They called him David Ito David Itto like 1094 01:12:01.239 --> 01:12:02.359 little Little David. 1095 01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:07.520 His leaders he was part of the cult too, Carlos. 1096 01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:11.399 Carlos ended up not being part of the cult because 1097 01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:14.760 around the time that this is happening, the mo letters 1098 01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:18.359 that he's sending out are just getting really weird. He 1099 01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:23.640 starts telling everybody that the law of man and the 1100 01:12:23.720 --> 01:12:27.640 law of God and I'm paraphrasing here, aren't the same thing. 1101 01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:32.399 And he starts talking about sex being positive no matter 1102 01:12:32.479 --> 01:12:37.000 who it's with, no matter what their age is, and 1103 01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:44.840 he starts kind of encouraging the members to engage in 1104 01:12:45.079 --> 01:12:50.279 sexual activity even with their own family, and it turns 1105 01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:53.920 out that he had been doing this within his own family. 1106 01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:57.399 So he having sex with his kids. 1107 01:12:57.560 --> 01:13:01.079 Yeah, he talked about how when you when your kids 1108 01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:05.680 can't go to sleep, you suck them off. Well he 1109 01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:09.520 called give it give him a front rub. He talked 1110 01:13:09.520 --> 01:13:11.680 about how when when his daughter reached the age of 1111 01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:14.039 nine and she had trouble sleeping, and like I said, 1112 01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:16.560 this is gonna get fucking disturbing, and this is the 1113 01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:22.319 tip of the iceberg. So he starts incorporated reading this 1114 01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:25.479 into his teachings. And when these mo letters started, they 1115 01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:30.479 were mainly like his interpretation of Bible verses. But then 1116 01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:33.600 he starts going, I mean it was slow dripped, like 1117 01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:36.880 he would use sexual innuendo when he was talking about 1118 01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:40.159 like basic stuff that wasn't sexual. And then you know, 1119 01:13:40.239 --> 01:13:42.640 after a few years go by, he just everything is 1120 01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:43.439 sex with him. 1121 01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:46.640 Well, this is what happened when the chronic masturbate and 1122 01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:49.720 pervert with a stiff one for his mom starts a 1123 01:13:49.760 --> 01:13:51.920 cult behind the lord's name. 1124 01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:54.079 Well, when he was a little boy, he claimed that 1125 01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:58.039 he had a caretaker who would suck him off when 1126 01:13:58.039 --> 01:14:03.439 he couldn't go to sleep at night. Conveniently, what no 1127 01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:04.840 this is this is real. 1128 01:14:05.479 --> 01:14:07.479 You don't think he just put that part in there 1129 01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:10.199 to make it seem less weird what he was doing. 1130 01:14:10.439 --> 01:14:12.920 No, I think that this was absolutely real. 1131 01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:16.279 I think that I think he's a modern day Joseph Smith. 1132 01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:19.199 Well he is that. But I do think there was 1133 01:14:19.279 --> 01:14:22.000 sexual abuse with him as a kid, and I think 1134 01:14:22.079 --> 01:14:24.159 that it tracks where you know. 1135 01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:27.640 That's why he became people masturbator. 1136 01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:34.159 No, not necessarily, but I think that him incorporating this 1137 01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:37.399 into the upbringing of kids had to do with his 1138 01:14:37.399 --> 01:14:42.920 own upbringing. He was reportedly molested by at least two 1139 01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:45.159 people when he was a little kid, and he liked it, 1140 01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:50.479 and his own mom thought that the a teenager masturbating, 1141 01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:53.279 Like you walk in on your teenager masturbating, you just 1142 01:14:53.319 --> 01:14:57.039 walk away. You don't sham him, you don't make him 1143 01:14:57.039 --> 01:14:58.760 finish in front of his entire family. 1144 01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:04.319 But anyway, he spoke fondly of the molestation. 1145 01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:09.840 Yeah, he acted like it was a positive thing and 1146 01:15:11.119 --> 01:15:14.000 told his followers that they needed to do the same thing. 1147 01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:18.279 And so a lot of people were turned off by this, obviously, 1148 01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:25.279 but not everybody was. River Phoenix claimed that he was 1149 01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:32.279 molested from age four to ten, and he started talking no. 1150 01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:36.319 So one of the things that David said was you 1151 01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:41.079 need to encourage kids to experiment sexually with each other, 1152 01:15:41.960 --> 01:15:45.920 and you need to, you know, help him out. So 1153 01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:53.840 the only thing that he really forbid was man on 1154 01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:58.439 man and I would say homosexuality, But he encouraged lesbian activities. 1155 01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:01.840 So if he was into it, it was fair game. 1156 01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:07.319 And he was into lesbo stuff, but not how much. 1157 01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:09.800 So with a lot of this abuse that you see 1158 01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:16.359 when you know the whistle blowing starts is mainly older 1159 01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:24.600 women molesting boys and older men molesting little girls. 1160 01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:29.840 Believe old women wanted sucking fuck on young boys. 1161 01:16:30.319 --> 01:16:35.279 Rose McGowan claims that her dad absolutely put his foot 1162 01:16:35.319 --> 01:16:37.960 down when this shit started happening and he got her 1163 01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:40.159 out of there. She says she was not molested in there. 1164 01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:43.960 Woquing Phoenix. Like I said, he doesn't really talk about this, 1165 01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:47.960 like the River was really talking about this right before 1166 01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:50.000 he died, and. 1167 01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:53.279 He's also talking about vaccines and stuff right before he died. 1168 01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:55.640 He was just getting all sorts of out of hand. 1169 01:16:55.720 --> 01:16:57.239 That's why they had to kill him. 1170 01:16:57.880 --> 01:17:03.720 Yeah, that's possible. It also could be that he was 1171 01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:06.760 fucked up from this and a lot of these kids. 1172 01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:10.000 Once they got out of this, some of them committed suicide, 1173 01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:11.720 a lot of them became drug addicts. 1174 01:17:12.039 --> 01:17:16.199 But River was cleaned for months before that happened. 1175 01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:18.439 I mean, we could do a River Phoenix episode. 1176 01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:20.760 Did he say who molested on him? 1177 01:17:21.479 --> 01:17:24.199 I don't know if he ever said. I haven't looked 1178 01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:25.039 into his testimony. 1179 01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:28.560 They molested on each other or they or their parents 1180 01:17:28.600 --> 01:17:29.000 did it. 1181 01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:34.399 No, I don't think his parents did it. In fact, 1182 01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:38.560 Woking Phoenix is on record saying his parents left the 1183 01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:44.760 organization over the flirty fishing. But to me, that doesn't 1184 01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:47.560 really track because River Phoenix, I don't know what year 1185 01:17:47.640 --> 01:17:50.479 he was born, but when this stuff was being I mean, 1186 01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:53.840 David had been practicing this within his own family even 1187 01:17:53.920 --> 01:17:57.640 before he became open with it. But let's look it 1188 01:17:57.720 --> 01:17:58.279 up real quick. 1189 01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:02.920 I'm saying the years he said he was molested don't 1190 01:18:02.920 --> 01:18:05.840 line up with the years that his parents left. 1191 01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:11.159 No, I'm saying that Joaquin Phoenix saying that his parents 1192 01:18:11.239 --> 01:18:15.920 left the cult over the flirty fishing policy, where it 1193 01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:20.000 was basically just prostitution except for no money was changing hands. However, 1194 01:18:20.039 --> 01:18:22.079 they did end up in Hong Kong at one point, 1195 01:18:22.640 --> 01:18:25.239 and they linked up with an escort service, and they 1196 01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:28.119 did get attention of the law after this, Like with 1197 01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:30.800 all of this abuse and all of this stuff going on, 1198 01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:34.159 that's really the only thing in the seventies that the 1199 01:18:34.199 --> 01:18:39.319 authorities went for was they saw that they tried to 1200 01:18:39.359 --> 01:18:43.319 link this prostitution, but since they were only doing it 1201 01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:46.079 to get people to join with money, it was like, 1202 01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:51.600 you know, your basic honey traffic. Karen Zerbi, she Mama Maria. 1203 01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:56.800 She had slept with like an ambassador from France and 1204 01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:59.960 some other pretty high up they're powerful dudes in Japan 1205 01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:02.000 and other parts of age. 1206 01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:03.199 Said she wasn't hot. 1207 01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:07.119 So yeah River or yeah River was born in nineteen 1208 01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:14.520 seventy in Oregon. So he says he was molested from 1209 01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:18.399 age four to ten. So in nineteen seventy four he 1210 01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:22.439 would have been four and this would have gone on 1211 01:19:22.640 --> 01:19:27.319 until he in nineteen eighty. So his parents leaving the 1212 01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:30.680 colt over the filthy fish. You're filthy, I keep saying filthy, 1213 01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:35.319 Freudian slips, the flirty fishing doesn't track. 1214 01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:40.079 That's what I said. The year, the years stone out 1215 01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:40.239 of us. 1216 01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:41.199 That's what I said. 1217 01:19:41.439 --> 01:19:43.560 No, I asked you if that's what you meant, and 1218 01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:45.960 you I don't know if you said yes or no. No. 1219 01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:50.800 I said, Joaquin had said that they left over that practice. 1220 01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:51.920 Joaquin said A River. 1221 01:19:51.800 --> 01:19:54.920 Said, Joaquin, he doesn't talk about it much. 1222 01:19:54.920 --> 01:19:58.039 He doesn't says he was molested. 1223 01:19:57.439 --> 01:20:01.439 Though Joaquin said he wasn't. He but River was. So 1224 01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:06.239 Joaquin was born in seventy four, so he's claiming that 1225 01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:08.399 they left. 1226 01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:10.359 Oh that doesn't make sense. 1227 01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:13.560 Yeah, because in the timeline, if you look at like 1228 01:20:13.640 --> 01:20:17.279 when the flirty fishing started being a huge tactic they 1229 01:20:17.279 --> 01:20:21.479 were using to get more members, and David said that 1230 01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:25.880 they had over half a million people that they tried 1231 01:20:25.880 --> 01:20:29.920 to recruit this way, and overall, he said they gained 1232 01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:32.960 about twenty thousand new members through that tactic. 1233 01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:34.479 Hope it was worth it. 1234 01:20:35.680 --> 01:20:38.439 So this thing's worldwide once you get into like the 1235 01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:39.600 mid to late seventies. 1236 01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:44.680 So maybe River was just trying to protect his parents. 1237 01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:50.600 I don't know, because the way this thing worked, it 1238 01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:53.199 could have been anybody. And I don't know if River 1239 01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:54.079 ever blamed it. 1240 01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:56.720 Oh, I'm saying he's trying to protect his parents by 1241 01:20:56.760 --> 01:20:59.079 saying they left when the weird stuff started. 1242 01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:02.199 Oh you mean Joaquin's said that? I Yeah, who knows? 1243 01:21:02.239 --> 01:21:04.000 I mean he got out of it when he was young. 1244 01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:07.039 He's got a couple sisters. I think one of them 1245 01:21:07.399 --> 01:21:12.279 is in acting. But I always thought that they like 1246 01:21:12.439 --> 01:21:14.960 grew up in this thing. And it sounds like river 1247 01:21:15.279 --> 01:21:16.680 you know kind of day. 1248 01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:18.760 It sounds like, yeah they did. 1249 01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:22.560 I didn't even look at him. They look at him. 1250 01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:23.319 The guy is. 1251 01:21:23.520 --> 01:21:30.399 Torture to be famous, you know. Yeah, I don't know, 1252 01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:33.279 that's just you know, they love to get the little 1253 01:21:33.279 --> 01:21:34.560 Hollywood boys. 1254 01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:40.560 Well, so in nineteen seventy three, David's son, I think 1255 01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:46.479 his name was Arthur, if I remember right, he killed himself. 1256 01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:49.520 And probably from all the second in fact, well. 1257 01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:54.479 Guess get this something that happened before he moved to Europe. 1258 01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:58.560 They had a you know, a meeting, just a regular 1259 01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:03.279 church thing, and three of his kids were there and 1260 01:22:03.319 --> 01:22:07.000 they all were married. And after the meeting, he got 1261 01:22:07.079 --> 01:22:11.439 naked and said that it was sharing time and he 1262 01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:14.159 made them swap and he made him fuck and. 1263 01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:16.920 He just watched the dad. 1264 01:22:17.119 --> 01:22:21.279 Yeah, and there was reports that he had slept with 1265 01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:30.079 his son's wife. Anyway, people speculate that that contributed to 1266 01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:31.520 the suicide. 1267 01:22:31.800 --> 01:22:35.960 Wouldn't it you you have to fuck your brother. 1268 01:22:36.680 --> 01:22:39.239 No, that's not what was going on. They were fucking 1269 01:22:39.279 --> 01:22:40.199 each other's wives. 1270 01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:43.319 Oh you think watching you. 1271 01:22:44.079 --> 01:22:47.520 I think the power dynamic of it really got to him. 1272 01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:52.680 But he had a daughter, and she'll come into this, 1273 01:22:52.880 --> 01:22:56.760 the son that killed himself. She basically went into the 1274 01:22:56.800 --> 01:22:59.199 care of David and Karen. 1275 01:22:59.720 --> 01:22:59.800 And. 1276 01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:05.159 David did molest her and he said she was special. 1277 01:23:05.800 --> 01:23:12.680 And Karen was jealous of this little kid. Now she 1278 01:23:13.720 --> 01:23:16.960 abused and tortured her and said she was possessed by 1279 01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:24.520 demons and had exorcisms performed on her. But David wasn't 1280 01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:28.159 the father, as we established of David Tito. And we'll 1281 01:23:28.199 --> 01:23:32.079 just call him Ricky Rodriguez because that is his name. 1282 01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:37.199 That's what he went by. But he was made to 1283 01:23:37.199 --> 01:23:41.079 do stuff too. I mean it wasn't really a blood relative, 1284 01:23:41.279 --> 01:23:44.359 not that it makes it any better, but this was common, 1285 01:23:44.439 --> 01:23:46.560 like you would make kids do stuff with each other 1286 01:23:46.720 --> 01:23:51.159 in this group. And he from a young age, I mean, 1287 01:23:51.159 --> 01:23:55.039 he just seemed Ricky David Eito. He just seemed very 1288 01:23:55.079 --> 01:24:00.079 empathetic and knew this was fucked and he was all 1289 01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:04.399 So if you were conceived out of this flirty fishing, 1290 01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:09.279 you were called a Jesus a Jesus baby. But David 1291 01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:14.119 itough was said to be the end all be all. 1292 01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:17.000 He was like the next the second Coming, as far 1293 01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:23.039 as David was concerned. And his story is rather sad. 1294 01:24:24.359 --> 01:24:26.279 We'll get into it near the end of this thing. 1295 01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:31.680 But they did start to get the attention of law 1296 01:24:32.720 --> 01:24:36.399 and he kind of went into hiding. And the only 1297 01:24:36.439 --> 01:24:41.199 way he ever communicated with his followers for years was 1298 01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:44.800 through these mo letters. And these things had like illustrations, 1299 01:24:45.479 --> 01:24:49.520 and he was drawn as a lion, like a man's 1300 01:24:49.880 --> 01:24:55.039 body with a lion's head. Well, there was like sex 1301 01:24:55.119 --> 01:24:59.520 manuals that came out in these letters, one of them. 1302 01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:02.920 As David starts to get up there in age, his 1303 01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:06.640 health declines and Karen picks over the mo letters. 1304 01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:09.239 And what happened to his first wife. 1305 01:25:10.039 --> 01:25:16.560 She's still the wife. Well, he called Jane the old wine, 1306 01:25:17.399 --> 01:25:23.479 and Karen or mother Marie was the new wine. And 1307 01:25:23.520 --> 01:25:26.319 that I mean, I guess Karen may have been scared 1308 01:25:26.359 --> 01:25:28.239 that she was going to become the old wine once 1309 01:25:28.279 --> 01:25:33.960 this granddaughter came into the picture. But anyway, she took over. 1310 01:25:34.119 --> 01:25:38.119 And there was this one series of letters she wrote 1311 01:25:39.119 --> 01:25:44.119 where she was talking about when you have sex all 1312 01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:47.239 the time, anytime you engage in sex, you were supposed 1313 01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:54.159 to picture Jesus. And if you're a woman, easy enough. 1314 01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:57.640 But if you're a man, you were supposed to picture 1315 01:25:57.680 --> 01:26:02.079 yourself as a woman being penetrated by Jesus. And she 1316 01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:08.840 had these lists of things you could say, and they're ridiculous. 1317 01:26:08.840 --> 01:26:11.760 I won't get into them. If anyone's interested in these 1318 01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:13.880 mo letters, Like I said, they are on the way 1319 01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:17.279 back machine and you can read all sorts of fucked 1320 01:26:17.319 --> 01:26:20.600 up shit. Not telling you to do it, but it 1321 01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:25.079 is part of the research here. And anyway, that was 1322 01:26:25.119 --> 01:26:28.520 just a fun aside about how Karen took this. But 1323 01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:36.039 as David Diito Ricky Rodriguez starts to get a little 1324 01:26:36.079 --> 01:26:39.039 bit older, I mean, I do want to say this too, 1325 01:26:39.159 --> 01:26:41.640 Like I listened to the testimony of a lot of 1326 01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:45.279 these women who got out of this thing. One of 1327 01:26:45.319 --> 01:26:50.000 them was a third generation member and she said that 1328 01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:56.239 her mom married David when she was three what And 1329 01:26:56.279 --> 01:27:01.800 this was facilitated by her own mother, Like she handed 1330 01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:04.079 him over to David. So it was like a ceremony. 1331 01:27:04.119 --> 01:27:07.399 He married like three people that day, and one of 1332 01:27:07.399 --> 01:27:13.399 them was a three year old. So I mean, I assume, 1333 01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:17.920 but so I mean, there's a lot of stuff in here. 1334 01:27:18.079 --> 01:27:20.479 I could do hours and hours of this and the 1335 01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:24.399 stuff I've been learning, but we'll just jump ahead, because 1336 01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:28.680 this went on and on, and this is this cult 1337 01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:32.880 is still going on today. They well, in the eighties 1338 01:27:34.119 --> 01:27:38.000 he told everybody to tone down on the free sex 1339 01:27:38.079 --> 01:27:44.119 shit because there started to be major std outbreaks within 1340 01:27:44.239 --> 01:27:49.279 the community AIDS, I mean AIDS, whatever you want to 1341 01:27:49.279 --> 01:27:53.600 think AIDS is, but they were getting sick. And he 1342 01:27:55.039 --> 01:28:00.279 assured his followers that as long as you maintain your 1343 01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:04.720 faith that you would be okay. But he did say 1344 01:28:05.199 --> 01:28:07.439 time to tone it down. But now this is going 1345 01:28:07.479 --> 01:28:11.960 on at the same time as these inner poll was 1346 01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:18.119 looking into them and for human trafficking and for prostitution. 1347 01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:24.279 But he kind of just takes a back seat. And 1348 01:28:26.039 --> 01:28:30.359 really I think he died in nineteen ninety four. Ooh, 1349 01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:34.720 and I was born his wife. Maybe you're the reincarnation 1350 01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:40.800 hell his wife, his treasured wife, the one that you know, 1351 01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:47.439 Karen Zurbi. She is still alive to this day and 1352 01:28:47.880 --> 01:28:51.520 still leading this. Well, we'll get into Ricky because that's 1353 01:28:51.600 --> 01:28:54.399 kind of in my mind, it's the sad ending of 1354 01:28:54.439 --> 01:28:58.560 this thing. When he was in his teens, he really 1355 01:28:58.600 --> 01:29:02.800 started acting out and his mom, Karen, she sent him 1356 01:29:02.800 --> 01:29:07.680 away to these places where you know, she didn't really 1357 01:29:07.720 --> 01:29:11.960 have to deal with him. But in his later years, 1358 01:29:12.439 --> 01:29:16.840 he started communicating with this girl who was I think 1359 01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:20.119 she was seventeen at the time. But they started planning 1360 01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:25.840 like an escape and what was her name, Alixia was 1361 01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:30.640 what she went by, and they were corresponding and they 1362 01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:33.720 were kind of striking up like a long distance romance, 1363 01:29:34.079 --> 01:29:38.119 and they ended up planning to get away and it worked. 1364 01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:42.000 They ended up getting out of the thing. And this 1365 01:29:42.159 --> 01:29:47.399 is just really sad to me because this kid, he 1366 01:29:47.560 --> 01:29:51.800 was damaged as fuck. He like his dad or his 1367 01:29:52.640 --> 01:29:57.439 you know, claimed dad. Oh, that's the thing I wanted 1368 01:29:57.479 --> 01:30:02.600 to circle back to this. So when Carlos found out 1369 01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:06.960 that he was this kid's dad, they brought him over 1370 01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:10.680 and Karen opened the door and said, you want to 1371 01:30:10.720 --> 01:30:13.560 see the new miracle and she told him it was 1372 01:30:13.600 --> 01:30:17.880 his kid, and David was there, and David tried to 1373 01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:21.520 get him to molest the kid. Oh, and told him 1374 01:30:21.560 --> 01:30:23.399 how you had to raise a kid in. 1375 01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:26.159 This, you know, And he left him there. 1376 01:30:26.880 --> 01:30:29.600 He might not even believed it was his kid, but yeah, 1377 01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:30.159 he got the. 1378 01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:35.520 Fuck out and left his kid there. Yeah, get molested 1379 01:30:35.560 --> 01:30:36.159 by David. 1380 01:30:36.359 --> 01:30:39.159 He was a maintenance guy. I mean, like I said, 1381 01:30:39.439 --> 01:30:43.199 men didn't molest little boys. But they he had two 1382 01:30:43.279 --> 01:30:47.039 caretakers and I think they're both Their names were Sarah, 1383 01:30:47.319 --> 01:30:53.880 but Ricky aka David Ito. He talked about how he 1384 01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:57.520 was molested by these two women and one of them 1385 01:30:57.680 --> 01:31:00.680 was like his nanny and the other one was some 1386 01:31:01.079 --> 01:31:07.359 like business related partner with his mom. And he ended 1387 01:31:07.479 --> 01:31:13.640 up getting away and he traveled through Europe. But when 1388 01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:16.319 he ends up meeting with Alyxia, they end up moving 1389 01:31:16.359 --> 01:31:20.239 back to the States. They go to Tacoma, Washington, and 1390 01:31:20.279 --> 01:31:22.800 they get an apartment. And I mean, these you know 1391 01:31:22.840 --> 01:31:25.359 how it is when you're like a teenage kid that 1392 01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:27.079 was brought up in a cult like this. They just 1393 01:31:27.119 --> 01:31:29.239 had no idea how to function in the real world, 1394 01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:32.800 the real world. They ended up getting an apartment and 1395 01:31:32.840 --> 01:31:35.159 they expected to just walk into it and it would 1396 01:31:35.159 --> 01:31:37.800 all be furnished, and I mean, they just had no 1397 01:31:37.880 --> 01:31:43.239 idea how shit worked. And it seems like Alixia really 1398 01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:47.039 assimilated a lot better than he did. He was tormented, 1399 01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:51.199 I mean everything he went through, and I mean Alixia 1400 01:31:51.279 --> 01:31:51.920 also went. 1401 01:31:51.800 --> 01:31:55.199 Through this, but in the hand of God, cult. 1402 01:31:55.560 --> 01:31:58.720 Children of God. Yeah, she was a member. Oh she 1403 01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:00.760 was somebody who was born and do it as well. 1404 01:32:00.760 --> 01:32:02.960 So they just happened to meet each other late. 1405 01:32:03.079 --> 01:32:05.520 I mean, they ended up meeting each other, but corresponding 1406 01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:07.119 through letters and stuff. This is the one he had 1407 01:32:07.159 --> 01:32:08.159 planned the escape with. 1408 01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:11.239 Yeah, but I thought you said she sent him somewhere. 1409 01:32:11.920 --> 01:32:14.399 Yeah, that was when he was like in his early teens. 1410 01:32:14.439 --> 01:32:17.520 And then he went back to the cult and met Alexia. 1411 01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:21.199 Yeah. Well she I mean, he was always in the cult. 1412 01:32:21.279 --> 01:32:22.640 She just sent him to like work. 1413 01:32:22.720 --> 01:32:26.399 But he went back after that, Yeah, and met Alexia. 1414 01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:30.279 I mean, he was networked through all these places. 1415 01:32:30.279 --> 01:32:33.199 He went all, okay, anyways, I get it. Now they're 1416 01:32:33.239 --> 01:32:34.039 in the apartment. 1417 01:32:34.520 --> 01:32:38.079 Yeah, so he's trying to lead a normal life. He 1418 01:32:38.199 --> 01:32:41.399 ends up actually meeting somebody who was willing to take 1419 01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:46.880 him on as an electrician apprentice. And he was seeming 1420 01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:49.239 to be okay for a while. He had four years 1421 01:32:49.640 --> 01:32:53.319 where you know, he thought he could get through this, 1422 01:32:53.560 --> 01:32:57.640 but he ended up getting in a minor car accident. 1423 01:32:57.720 --> 01:32:59.960 I don't even think he was injured, but for some reason, 1424 01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:04.399 and that sent him on this spiral, and he starts 1425 01:33:06.039 --> 01:33:10.159 saying to himself that something must be done about this, 1426 01:33:11.039 --> 01:33:15.520 and he plans basically in a nutshell, he decides that 1427 01:33:16.279 --> 01:33:19.279 he needs to kill his mom because she's running this 1428 01:33:19.399 --> 01:33:22.680 thing now and if he cuts the head off the beast, 1429 01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:27.920 the whole thing will crumble. And I mean, man, a 1430 01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:31.039 lot of these testimonies and all these articles in the 1431 01:33:31.119 --> 01:33:35.000 podcast I've been listening to. Everybody's like, Okay, but you 1432 01:33:35.039 --> 01:33:36.399 don't got to kill somebody? 1433 01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:37.199 Why not? 1434 01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:40.079 I mean, I can't how else. 1435 01:33:40.920 --> 01:33:43.319 Maybe I'm a psychopath, but I mean, how else are 1436 01:33:43.359 --> 01:33:45.479 you gonna she won't stop? 1437 01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:53.159 Well, just most people, decent people aren't capable of murder. 1438 01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:57.880 Uh you ever been molested by your mom for years? 1439 01:33:58.520 --> 01:34:01.000 Well, you'd want to murder her. And he did want 1440 01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:06.279 to murder her, so well, he sets his plan into action, 1441 01:34:06.840 --> 01:34:11.840 and he ends up going incognito, and I mean he 1442 01:34:12.039 --> 01:34:16.800 just goes, you know, off grid. He's constantly in communication 1443 01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:19.800 with Alixia. I mean they're like boyfriend girlfriend at this point. 1444 01:34:20.479 --> 01:34:26.680 And he finds some people somewhere in California who were 1445 01:34:27.039 --> 01:34:30.800 ex Children of God members, but they put him into 1446 01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:36.680 contact with the caretaker that molested him. And this is 1447 01:34:36.720 --> 01:34:39.560 somewhere in Arizona, and he gets into contact with her 1448 01:34:40.359 --> 01:34:42.920 acts like, you know, everything's cool. He just wants to 1449 01:34:42.960 --> 01:34:47.119 talk and he gets her to meet up with them, 1450 01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:51.479 and before he does this, he sits down. And this 1451 01:34:51.560 --> 01:34:55.600 is the year two thousand, so this is before internet 1452 01:34:55.800 --> 01:34:57.920 was like what it is today. But he ended up 1453 01:34:57.920 --> 01:35:00.640 recording this hour long video and it was like a 1454 01:35:00.680 --> 01:35:03.800 message to all the other survivors, all the kids that 1455 01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:07.399 got out, explaining what he was doing, why he was 1456 01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:11.159 doing it, what he was going through mentally, and he 1457 01:35:11.319 --> 01:35:15.760 just lays out the whole plan and he meets up 1458 01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:23.000 with her, and she just doesn't understand why he thinks 1459 01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:28.560 anything was wrong about what happened to him, and he 1460 01:35:28.600 --> 01:35:31.039 knows that she's in contact with his mom. That's why 1461 01:35:31.079 --> 01:35:36.359 he ended up meeting up with her, and his plan 1462 01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:38.600 was to climb all the way to the top and 1463 01:35:38.640 --> 01:35:41.239 get to his mom. But he just snaps and ends 1464 01:35:41.319 --> 01:35:44.279 up stabbing her like five times and then slits her 1465 01:35:44.319 --> 01:35:49.600 throat and he flees in a panic, and he leaves 1466 01:35:49.640 --> 01:35:53.520 a few voice smells to Alexia and tells her that 1467 01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:57.159 you know it's done. I did it. It's a lot 1468 01:35:57.199 --> 01:35:59.600 harder killing somebody than I ever imagined it would be. 1469 01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:02.239 I don't know what I'm gonna do and he checks 1470 01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:06.359 into a holiday in and he must have uploaded this 1471 01:36:06.520 --> 01:36:08.720 video at some point, you know, probably would have taken 1472 01:36:08.760 --> 01:36:12.399 like twenty four hours back then, and you can watch 1473 01:36:12.439 --> 01:36:13.159 it on YouTube. 1474 01:36:13.159 --> 01:36:16.159 It's rough of him killing his mom. 1475 01:36:16.119 --> 01:36:18.520 No, of him talking about what he's going to do. 1476 01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:22.960 But he never killed his mom. He ended up just 1477 01:36:23.079 --> 01:36:26.279 snapping and killing this lady who was his caretaker. And 1478 01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:31.439 he ends up leaving the holiday in and he goes 1479 01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:34.960 and he shoots himself. So he's dead. 1480 01:36:35.479 --> 01:36:38.239 So he didn't even get to his mom. 1481 01:36:38.439 --> 01:36:43.920 No, she's still alive today and she started a website 1482 01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:49.279 in memoriam of him. And this is the thing that 1483 01:36:49.319 --> 01:36:51.199 I think is the most fucked up out of this 1484 01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:54.800 is the research that I've done in the last week. 1485 01:36:55.600 --> 01:36:57.439 I mean, it's pretty cut and dry to me that 1486 01:36:57.600 --> 01:37:01.239 this kid wasn't in the wrong, but the media made 1487 01:37:01.279 --> 01:37:03.600 it look like he was a fucking psychopath. Of course 1488 01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:05.920 they did, and that he was in. 1489 01:37:05.880 --> 01:37:09.279 Their the molesters. So that's what they do. 1490 01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:13.600 This is now the Family International, it's still running strong today. 1491 01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:16.359 What are they doing to make sure that children are 1492 01:37:16.359 --> 01:37:17.600 not getting hurt? 1493 01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:23.760 Nothing? The kids they were taken out of the equation 1494 01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:27.800 on the surface level. As far as we know, this 1495 01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:31.399 is still going on the surface level. Like they understood, 1496 01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:33.880 this is fucked up. And I mean the mo letters 1497 01:37:34.640 --> 01:37:38.119 he talked about how this is how you raise kids. 1498 01:37:38.159 --> 01:37:40.399 How do we know that they took kids out of 1499 01:37:40.439 --> 01:37:41.520 the equation. 1500 01:37:42.520 --> 01:37:46.279 Because that's what they presented, that this is no longer 1501 01:37:46.319 --> 01:37:50.880 what we need to do. Because the heat was on them. 1502 01:37:51.079 --> 01:37:52.439 I don't think they stopped. 1503 01:37:52.640 --> 01:37:54.640 Well. I mean, like I said, this thing is now 1504 01:37:54.640 --> 01:37:58.039 the Family International. It's still operating today. 1505 01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:01.840 Out of California everywhere. I just think that they could 1506 01:38:01.880 --> 01:38:04.399 say whatever. They could say, oh yeah, we took kids 1507 01:38:04.399 --> 01:38:05.760 out of the equation. 1508 01:38:07.279 --> 01:38:10.159 But well, I mean, if you ask me, even if 1509 01:38:10.199 --> 01:38:12.319 they did, the damage is done and this thing is 1510 01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:21.039 still like foundationally solid. She didn't see any justice for this. 1511 01:38:21.800 --> 01:38:25.600 David died in ninety four, never paid in any way 1512 01:38:25.640 --> 01:38:31.239 for his crimes. And there's you know, hundreds, maybe thousands 1513 01:38:31.319 --> 01:38:34.159 of kids that are just fucking walking around who grew 1514 01:38:34.239 --> 01:38:36.359 up in this thing and had god knows what done 1515 01:38:36.399 --> 01:38:41.079 to them. And it just goes to show you, like, 1516 01:38:41.760 --> 01:38:44.720 what are there no one knows about? You know, your 1517 01:38:44.760 --> 01:38:47.359 average person doesn't even know about the Franklin cover up. 1518 01:38:47.399 --> 01:38:51.479 McMartin Presidio. But people know about this, and I mean 1519 01:38:52.640 --> 01:38:55.399 maybe we wouldn't know about it if some of the 1520 01:38:55.479 --> 01:38:59.079 kids happened to become celebrities. That is I think why 1521 01:38:59.119 --> 01:39:03.239 I knew about it. And other than that, though, this 1522 01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:05.680 is just another one of those things that it's like, oh, well, 1523 01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:11.119 a bunch of kids got systematically fucked up and this 1524 01:39:11.159 --> 01:39:13.439 thing is still allowed to run amock. 1525 01:39:15.119 --> 01:39:22.800 So what are what what? What are there like tenants 1526 01:39:22.880 --> 01:39:26.319 for getting involved in this now? Like what is their message? 1527 01:39:26.439 --> 01:39:30.239 What is their it's the hook? What's the catch? 1528 01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:32.840 I don't know what their recruiting tactics are today. They've 1529 01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:36.079 softened it up quite a bit, so maybe they aren't 1530 01:39:36.119 --> 01:39:39.720 even recruiting actively anymore. Maybe this thing will just die 1531 01:39:39.760 --> 01:39:41.880 out as people age and die. 1532 01:39:41.920 --> 01:39:44.439 I just don't know, like what the allure would be 1533 01:39:44.560 --> 01:39:49.479 to like join the Family International, Like what is their message? 1534 01:39:49.680 --> 01:39:51.119 We don't molest kids anymore. 1535 01:39:52.680 --> 01:39:56.920 They're just following regular Christianity, except you can have multiple wives. 1536 01:39:57.000 --> 01:39:58.279 That's just polygamy. 1537 01:40:00.359 --> 01:40:03.680 I mean that's right or right? I mean, like I. 1538 01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:05.239 Said, that's their deal. 1539 01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:07.680 That's this is the weird thing to me is when 1540 01:40:07.720 --> 01:40:10.680 people defect from this thing they're willing to talk all 1541 01:40:10.720 --> 01:40:14.359 the ship in the world about it. But I've heard 1542 01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:19.720 a few people like one thing David would do was 1543 01:40:19.800 --> 01:40:24.279 he would have little girls send him these videos where 1544 01:40:24.279 --> 01:40:28.319 they're dancing, and he would instruct them, don't be naked 1545 01:40:28.399 --> 01:40:30.960 at first, be wearing something, but then, as you know, 1546 01:40:31.079 --> 01:40:33.279 do a series of three songs and by the time 1547 01:40:33.319 --> 01:40:35.600 you're at the end of the song, take your clothes off. 1548 01:40:36.239 --> 01:40:39.359 And the parents of these kids were like helping the 1549 01:40:39.479 --> 01:40:43.199 kids make these videos. I just don't so there was 1550 01:40:43.399 --> 01:40:49.760 pornography of David Etho that circulated. I mean, this stuff 1551 01:40:49.840 --> 01:40:52.920 kind of reminds me of that shit that went down 1552 01:40:54.399 --> 01:40:57.920 the Wonderland raids and all the stuff they found. Like, 1553 01:40:58.840 --> 01:41:03.039 I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit if these 1554 01:41:03.479 --> 01:41:08.000 movements were kind of at least tangentially connected, if not 1555 01:41:08.319 --> 01:41:08.920 like fully. 1556 01:41:09.479 --> 01:41:13.960 But so I don't think that what was his real name. 1557 01:41:14.479 --> 01:41:18.560 Richard Ricky Rodriguez Ricky. 1558 01:41:19.880 --> 01:41:25.199 I have seen so many times where abused children grow 1559 01:41:25.279 --> 01:41:27.720 up and want to murder their parents. I don't think 1560 01:41:27.760 --> 01:41:32.319 he's wrong for that. I don't think that he should. 1561 01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:35.079 I don't think it even should be looked down on. 1562 01:41:35.279 --> 01:41:37.560 I mean, they stole his life away. 1563 01:41:38.239 --> 01:41:41.479 Well, yeah, and that's the thing. As part of the 1564 01:41:41.479 --> 01:41:43.359 research I was doing, I did listen to a few 1565 01:41:43.399 --> 01:41:46.520 podcasts and a lot of these people like draw a 1566 01:41:46.520 --> 01:41:51.039 line in the sand, like, oh awesome that somebody at 1567 01:41:51.119 --> 01:41:54.600 least went down, But we can't condone vigilante justice. And 1568 01:41:54.680 --> 01:42:01.359 it's like, really, because that shit circles. 1569 01:42:01.840 --> 01:42:04.560 But I just I feel like you reap what you saw. 1570 01:42:06.359 --> 01:42:10.319 Yeah. And he even said in one of his voicemails 1571 01:42:10.359 --> 01:42:16.880 that as she was dying, she was still confused about 1572 01:42:16.920 --> 01:42:19.600 why he was so upset. She was sitting there bleeding out, 1573 01:42:19.640 --> 01:42:23.520 and it hit him that she's just as fucking damaged 1574 01:42:23.560 --> 01:42:27.079 as I am. Like, I haven't really solved anything here 1575 01:42:27.199 --> 01:42:29.680 by killing her. I've just fucked up myself now. 1576 01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:32.600 And he can because if he wasn't already and. 1577 01:42:32.560 --> 01:42:34.359 He couldn't live with what he did. I mean, I 1578 01:42:34.359 --> 01:42:38.159 don't think that him being arrested was ever a part 1579 01:42:38.199 --> 01:42:41.039 of his plan. I think even if he ever did 1580 01:42:41.079 --> 01:42:45.000 reach his mom and did get her, that maybe taking 1581 01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:47.520 himself out was always the part, you know, the end 1582 01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:51.319 of it. And that I mean, that's satisfying to me 1583 01:42:51.479 --> 01:42:54.640 that I look at all of this and history in 1584 01:42:54.680 --> 01:42:57.760 particular is well known because of what he did. But 1585 01:42:59.640 --> 01:43:01.800 there's so many of these kids out there. 1586 01:43:05.319 --> 01:43:08.760 I think there will be more that comes out later. 1587 01:43:08.920 --> 01:43:11.760 If it's still going on. I'm sorry. I just don't 1588 01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:17.359 believe that this cured them of anything, especially if the 1589 01:43:17.439 --> 01:43:20.159 one chick is still running it and she never saw 1590 01:43:20.199 --> 01:43:21.319 anything wrong with it. Well. 1591 01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:23.960 I listen to one woman who she was the third 1592 01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:26.319 I wish I could remember her name. We could put 1593 01:43:26.359 --> 01:43:28.720 in the show notes, maybe because she she's done a 1594 01:43:28.760 --> 01:43:32.239 Ted talk on this and I agreed with everything she said, 1595 01:43:32.600 --> 01:43:37.680 but she still has some major disconnect because she said, Yeah, 1596 01:43:37.880 --> 01:43:41.399 David's second wife who's running it to this day, she's 1597 01:43:41.399 --> 01:43:45.319 turned it into something a lot better. And I haven't 1598 01:43:45.319 --> 01:43:48.159 seen any evidence of that. I would like to see it, 1599 01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:51.600 other than the fact that their fucked up practices were 1600 01:43:51.600 --> 01:43:54.039 probably driven underground because of all themes. 1601 01:43:54.039 --> 01:43:56.560 That's what I'm saying. You just you don't stop doing 1602 01:43:56.640 --> 01:44:00.840 that stuff. You just bury it, right because of what 1603 01:44:01.039 --> 01:44:05.600 happened to David. Eto you don't stop doing those things 1604 01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:11.159 if you don't think they're wrong. You know what I mean? Yeah, 1605 01:44:11.399 --> 01:44:15.479 I just if you reaprogram to kill, you'll know that 1606 01:44:15.600 --> 01:44:18.840 they don't stop they just get more clever about how 1607 01:44:18.880 --> 01:44:24.920 they hide it. I mean, maybe they stopped being so openly, 1608 01:44:25.680 --> 01:44:29.000 like in your face about it. But why would they 1609 01:44:29.279 --> 01:44:32.439 if she was laying there bleeding out and she didn't 1610 01:44:32.479 --> 01:44:35.079 understand why she was getting murdered, Why would they stop 1611 01:44:35.119 --> 01:44:38.960 doing something that they absolutely do not think is wrong. 1612 01:44:39.520 --> 01:44:42.840 Yeah, I can't argue with that. I'm not saying they've 1613 01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:44.960 cleaned up their act. I'm saying that's the perception. 1614 01:44:45.479 --> 01:44:47.359 Yeah, I know, I'm just saying I don't believe that 1615 01:44:47.479 --> 01:44:48.319 for a second. 1616 01:44:49.159 --> 01:44:51.520 Well yeah, I mean it'd be interesting to like do 1617 01:44:51.600 --> 01:44:56.199 a deep dive on current family international practices and to 1618 01:44:56.239 --> 01:44:58.800 see what they're all about these days. But yeah, they're 1619 01:44:58.840 --> 01:45:02.239 not going to be so blat with all this pedophilia shit. 1620 01:45:03.399 --> 01:45:10.640 So it was it was a pedophilic victim, right because 1621 01:45:10.680 --> 01:45:14.399 he said he was molested who grew up and he 1622 01:45:14.479 --> 01:45:17.079 was a pervert, grew up and. 1623 01:45:17.000 --> 01:45:20.239 He knew how to sway people with Jesus like these 1624 01:45:20.359 --> 01:45:24.960 lost souls, the remnants of the you know, hippie movement. 1625 01:45:25.880 --> 01:45:27.600 I mean, I just see it as a way that 1626 01:45:28.399 --> 01:45:31.279 he grew up and he found an avenue to channel 1627 01:45:31.399 --> 01:45:38.680 all of his weird pedophile pervert ideals through. He started 1628 01:45:38.720 --> 01:45:43.039 it off with like the basis of Christianity and like 1629 01:45:43.159 --> 01:45:47.800 we're gonna make our own thing and be our own people. 1630 01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:52.079 And then he just turned it into an avenue of 1631 01:45:52.119 --> 01:46:01.359 expressing his own pedophilic and perverted ideas, because you see 1632 01:46:01.359 --> 01:46:04.000 how he crap it in there. First it was like polygamy. 1633 01:46:04.840 --> 01:46:09.199 Then it was like let your wives fuck whoever. Then 1634 01:46:09.239 --> 01:46:11.399 it was like just fuck whoever. Then it was like 1635 01:46:11.439 --> 01:46:16.720 fuck your kids. I mean that escalated quickly. 1636 01:46:17.159 --> 01:46:21.119 Yeah, and a lot of these kids when they get out, 1637 01:46:21.920 --> 01:46:25.680 they claimed that they didn't think anything was wrong until 1638 01:46:25.720 --> 01:46:30.399 they were told that that's wrong. I just pulled up 1639 01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:34.960 the Wikipedia page and we've gone down. Family International. They 1640 01:46:35.039 --> 01:46:38.239 became that in two thousand and four. So recent teaching. 1641 01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:42.640 Family International's recent teachings are based on beliefs which they 1642 01:46:42.760 --> 01:46:46.760 term the New Spiritual Weapons. TFI members believe they are 1643 01:46:46.840 --> 01:46:51.039 soldiers in the spiritual war of good versus Evil, and 1644 01:46:51.159 --> 01:46:55.520 it talks about spiritual helpers, other religious and mythical figures, 1645 01:46:55.520 --> 01:47:02.359 and departed humans, including celebrities, Aphrodite, the SPS, Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, 1646 01:47:02.439 --> 01:47:07.159 Aubrey Hepper. So this just reminds me of happy science 1647 01:47:07.199 --> 01:47:10.239 guy channeling all these people King and the Keys of 1648 01:47:10.279 --> 01:47:14.800 the Kingdom. Family International believes that the biblical passage I 1649 01:47:14.840 --> 01:47:16.920 will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, 1650 01:47:16.920 --> 01:47:19.520 and whatsoever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, 1651 01:47:19.600 --> 01:47:22.159 and whatsoever you lose on earth will be losed in 1652 01:47:22.199 --> 01:47:27.319 heaven Matthew sixteen nineteen refuse excuse me refers to an 1653 01:47:27.359 --> 01:47:30.239 increasing amount of spiritual authority that was given to Peter 1654 01:47:30.359 --> 01:47:32.479 in the Early Disciples. So they're just going back to 1655 01:47:32.560 --> 01:47:37.079 biblical shit. Loving Jesus is a term Family International uses 1656 01:47:37.119 --> 01:47:40.439 to describe their intimate sexual relationship with Jesus. So they're 1657 01:47:40.479 --> 01:47:41.079 still on that. 1658 01:47:41.840 --> 01:47:42.840 Oh. 1659 01:47:43.119 --> 01:47:47.279 Family International describes it's Loving Jesus teaching as a radical 1660 01:47:47.359 --> 01:47:52.079 form of bridal theology. They believe the Church of Followers 1661 01:47:52.199 --> 01:47:55.119 is Christ's bride, called to love and serve him with 1662 01:47:55.319 --> 01:48:00.600 wifely fervor. However, this bridal theology is taken further, encouraging 1663 01:48:00.680 --> 01:48:03.479 members to imagine Jesus. Oh, so they're still doing that, 1664 01:48:04.159 --> 01:48:10.319 joining them during sexual intercourse and masturbation. So she's still 1665 01:48:10.359 --> 01:48:11.359 going on about that. 1666 01:48:12.199 --> 01:48:15.520 Well, why would she stop any of the other business 1667 01:48:14.920 --> 01:48:16.920 if they're still going on with that. 1668 01:48:17.399 --> 01:48:21.319 Some family. International literature is not brought into conservative countries 1669 01:48:21.359 --> 01:48:24.880 for fear it may be classified at customs as pornography. 1670 01:48:25.359 --> 01:48:29.159 The literature outlining the view of Jesus and his desire 1671 01:48:29.239 --> 01:48:32.840 for a sexual relationship with believers was edited for younger 1672 01:48:32.880 --> 01:48:39.039 teens and further edited for children. And it's funny because this, 1673 01:48:39.199 --> 01:48:42.279 look at this, look at the length of this. This 1674 01:48:42.359 --> 01:48:49.640 is the Wikipedia on them. You don't really get into 1675 01:48:50.600 --> 01:48:54.079 all the pedophilia shit intil the criticism, and it's like 1676 01:48:54.199 --> 01:48:54.800 a few. 1677 01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:57.159 Paragraphs that's it. That's all they give it. 1678 01:48:57.720 --> 01:49:00.560 Have you ever heard of this guy named Ted Patrick. No, 1679 01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:06.520 he's a deprogrammer. He like kidnaps at the behest of 1680 01:49:06.560 --> 01:49:10.279 the parents of cult members. He's like the dog, the 1681 01:49:10.319 --> 01:49:17.319 bounty hunter for colts and he ends up like kidnapping them. Anyway, 1682 01:49:17.399 --> 01:49:19.760 He's interesting. I kind of want to look into him more. 1683 01:49:19.920 --> 01:49:22.840 But apparently there's some documentaries about him. But he got 1684 01:49:22.880 --> 01:49:25.880 involved in it in the seventies and it sounds like 1685 01:49:25.920 --> 01:49:28.119 he fucked up these people as much as the cult did. 1686 01:49:28.439 --> 01:49:30.880 But he was a martial artist and he would have 1687 01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:33.119 like a dude hiding in the trunk and they would 1688 01:49:33.159 --> 01:49:37.239 ambush these cult members and kidnap them and try to 1689 01:49:37.319 --> 01:49:41.840 deprogram them. Anyway. That's just a side note, you know. 1690 01:49:41.920 --> 01:49:44.319 Honestly, I feel like that's some shit I would do, 1691 01:49:44.840 --> 01:49:47.640 Like get so upset by what they were doing that 1692 01:49:47.720 --> 01:49:49.439 I would throw him in a trunk and try to 1693 01:49:49.800 --> 01:49:54.159 program him somewhere. Especially if they're hurting kids. I might 1694 01:49:54.199 --> 01:49:55.319 just leave them in the trunk. 1695 01:49:55.479 --> 01:49:57.680 No, but he was. It wasn't the kids. It was 1696 01:49:57.720 --> 01:50:00.479 like older members said. 1697 01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:03.359 Especially if they were hurting kids like those. 1698 01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:06.600 I mean, back when this was going on, it was 1699 01:50:06.600 --> 01:50:10.960 called free Cog Free the children of God, and some 1700 01:50:11.000 --> 01:50:13.880 of the more wealthy parents hired this guy to go 1701 01:50:13.880 --> 01:50:15.319 get their kids out of it. And then when I 1702 01:50:15.319 --> 01:50:20.159 say their kids, it's like adult children. But anyway, that's 1703 01:50:20.199 --> 01:50:22.720 the presentation. I don't know if you have any thing 1704 01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:24.560 to say about that before you go take a shower. 1705 01:50:25.199 --> 01:50:29.680 Wow, So aren't you gonna ask me what? I write? 1706 01:50:31.159 --> 01:50:32.039 Yeah? How many? 1707 01:50:32.960 --> 01:50:33.119 Uh? 1708 01:50:35.279 --> 01:50:37.720 What? What what are we using? What's the units of measurement? 1709 01:50:39.159 --> 01:50:42.439 Out of ten kid diddlers? 1710 01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:43.760 What? 1711 01:50:45.119 --> 01:50:46.720 That was? Gonna come up with something a little. 1712 01:50:46.479 --> 01:50:48.800 More classy, but oh, go ahead. 1713 01:50:49.399 --> 01:50:51.199 How many out of ten Jesus brides? 1714 01:50:52.319 --> 01:50:54.359 Ah, ten Jesus brides? 1715 01:50:55.199 --> 01:50:57.039 Oh, you're gonna rate this one low. 1716 01:50:57.399 --> 01:51:00.680 Now. That was so cray Cray. 1717 01:51:00.800 --> 01:51:03.560 And I mean this one, like we said, a lot 1718 01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:06.159 of these are going to be stuff people haven't heard of. 1719 01:51:06.359 --> 01:51:09.960 This one is on the periphery of mainstream for obvious reasons. 1720 01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:11.760 But I had never. 1721 01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:15.039 Never heard no shit about them touching kids. 1722 01:51:15.359 --> 01:51:18.600 I mean, I knew that the Phoenix family was in there, 1723 01:51:18.720 --> 01:51:21.520 and they changed their name to Phoenix when they joined 1724 01:51:21.520 --> 01:51:22.800 this cult, and I mean. 1725 01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:25.319 It was obviously not as school as Feen. 1726 01:51:25.399 --> 01:51:30.359 I don't remember what their original names were, but they 1727 01:51:31.359 --> 01:51:36.000 you know, Phoenix Rising. They they did use that terminology 1728 01:51:36.039 --> 01:51:37.399 to name themselves and then. 1729 01:51:39.039 --> 01:51:45.840 For ever, you know, I mean, as far as researching goes. Actually, 1730 01:51:46.880 --> 01:51:49.199 this is something my dad used to say about me 1731 01:51:49.319 --> 01:51:52.840 when I was a kid. He used to say, you're 1732 01:51:52.920 --> 01:51:56.159 horrible at telling jokes because you just want to skip 1733 01:51:56.319 --> 01:51:59.680 the storyline of the joke and get straight to the 1734 01:51:59.720 --> 01:52:02.359 punch line. And I feel like that's how I do 1735 01:52:02.479 --> 01:52:05.920 my research. No, it isn't like I always just like 1736 01:52:06.079 --> 01:52:08.600 skip a bunch of details and I just get straight 1737 01:52:08.680 --> 01:52:09.640 to the punchline. 1738 01:52:10.039 --> 01:52:13.520 Dude, anybody who's listened to your previous series on here 1739 01:52:13.600 --> 01:52:14.880 knows that's not true. 1740 01:52:14.920 --> 01:52:17.039 But I mean, like as far as like, because I 1741 01:52:17.039 --> 01:52:20.880 feel you go into further detail with your cults than 1742 01:52:20.920 --> 01:52:21.199 I do. 1743 01:52:21.399 --> 01:52:23.840 Maybe, well, I think you pick these real obscure ones 1744 01:52:23.840 --> 01:52:25.640 where there's not a lot out there. I mean, like 1745 01:52:25.680 --> 01:52:28.760 I said, really, isn't I feel like after a week 1746 01:52:28.800 --> 01:52:31.960 of doing this, like you could do a whole fucking podcast, 1747 01:52:32.199 --> 01:52:36.079 not just like a series. Yeah, it could, and people 1748 01:52:36.159 --> 01:52:40.279 have And there's a number of documentaries. In fact, I 1749 01:52:40.399 --> 01:52:42.399 kind of want to watch one of them that's on HBO. 1750 01:52:42.560 --> 01:52:44.199 It's about the kids that they've got. 1751 01:52:44.239 --> 01:52:47.600 Now are they going to give all the gory deats 1752 01:52:47.800 --> 01:52:48.039 or is. 1753 01:52:48.039 --> 01:52:51.079 It gonna be I mean, we know the filter of HBO, 1754 01:52:51.239 --> 01:52:54.640 Max and Netflix documentaries. I'd like to at least think 1755 01:52:54.720 --> 01:52:57.079 that they give these kids there fair shape. 1756 01:52:57.159 --> 01:53:01.159 Yeah, well, we'll see. I'd watch it with you for sure. 1757 01:53:01.279 --> 01:53:03.199 I mean, I just want to wash myself of this 1758 01:53:03.279 --> 01:53:04.880 for at least a little while. Like I was telling 1759 01:53:04.920 --> 01:53:08.920 you before we started recording it, when Jeremiah and I 1760 01:53:09.239 --> 01:53:14.720 on Conspiracy Playtime did the Franklin cover up, it was 1761 01:53:16.880 --> 01:53:17.880 man that fucked with me. 1762 01:53:18.960 --> 01:53:21.079 Well, how do you think I felt when I did 1763 01:53:21.119 --> 01:53:22.840 all that pedaphocracy stuff? 1764 01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:27.520 I know, just listening to it. I felt man nasty. Yeah, 1765 01:53:27.560 --> 01:53:31.279 and I can't imagine having laid out that presentation and 1766 01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:33.159 all the work you put into it. But it is 1767 01:53:33.800 --> 01:53:36.680 some of the darker shit. And I've been talking to 1768 01:53:36.800 --> 01:53:40.039 somebody who looks into this stuff too, and she was 1769 01:53:40.079 --> 01:53:42.760 talking about how like why do why do we do it? 1770 01:53:43.199 --> 01:53:46.319 Like why do we look into it? And isn't this 1771 01:53:46.560 --> 01:53:49.600 just like further trauma? But I mean she's like us, 1772 01:53:51.199 --> 01:53:54.439 it needs to be known. In my opinion, I'll tell 1773 01:53:54.479 --> 01:53:55.560 you after we've done recording. 1774 01:53:56.199 --> 01:54:01.000 Well, I guess not. I guess I want to be 1775 01:54:01.199 --> 01:54:05.399 confident in answering that question of why do we even 1776 01:54:05.520 --> 01:54:08.560 look into it? Because I feel like it gives a 1777 01:54:08.680 --> 01:54:11.920 voice to all those kids who will never be recognized 1778 01:54:12.199 --> 01:54:14.720 and mean the atrocities that have happened to them. 1779 01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:18.239 Not that is important, And not to mention the fact 1780 01:54:18.279 --> 01:54:21.720 that the reason it continues today is because people want 1781 01:54:21.760 --> 01:54:22.600 to look the other. 1782 01:54:22.439 --> 01:54:26.439 Way, because that if. 1783 01:54:25.279 --> 01:54:27.640 You know about it, and you know where it's happening 1784 01:54:27.680 --> 01:54:30.319 and how to look for it, I'd like to think 1785 01:54:30.359 --> 01:54:33.720 that maybe you won't send your kid to a military daycare. 1786 01:54:34.439 --> 01:54:36.439 Well that's just the thing is, I feel like it 1787 01:54:36.479 --> 01:54:40.039 gives a voice to the victims that have been traumatized 1788 01:54:40.199 --> 01:54:43.199 for years, And I feel like it takes a strong 1789 01:54:43.359 --> 01:54:47.680 heart to research it and talk about it at length 1790 01:54:47.760 --> 01:54:51.680 and give details. And it's like I want to shock 1791 01:54:51.800 --> 01:54:55.520 people into reality that the bad guy is winning in 1792 01:54:55.600 --> 01:54:59.640 the end, and these kids, unless somebody talks about it, 1793 01:55:00.520 --> 01:55:06.560 they're just nameless, faceless little kids who've got their lives 1794 01:55:06.600 --> 01:55:09.319 taken away from them. And it's like, the least I 1795 01:55:09.319 --> 01:55:11.640 can do is try to make people aware of it. 1796 01:55:12.439 --> 01:55:15.159 Yeah, And I mean to me, I do get a 1797 01:55:15.159 --> 01:55:21.760 little disheartened because I see positively on that end of things, 1798 01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:25.199 there are so many people who are aware of this 1799 01:55:25.279 --> 01:55:27.520 and talking about it and trying to wake people up 1800 01:55:27.520 --> 01:55:30.159 to it. But on the other end of it, to 1801 01:55:30.199 --> 01:55:35.439 get more negative, like still people aren't listening. And I 1802 01:55:35.479 --> 01:55:37.359 don't know if it's going to take this happening to 1803 01:55:37.439 --> 01:55:39.880 your kid before you'll fucking start paying attention to it. 1804 01:55:39.960 --> 01:55:45.680 But something has to give because this isn't localized to 1805 01:55:45.800 --> 01:55:49.359 our era. This has been going on as long as 1806 01:55:49.479 --> 01:55:50.359 you can look back. 1807 01:55:50.720 --> 01:55:52.279 Yeah, no, Joe. 1808 01:55:52.560 --> 01:55:57.920 The people who have formed our institutions through secret societies 1809 01:55:59.279 --> 01:56:03.199 are college is, our politicians. They're all wrapped up in 1810 01:56:03.239 --> 01:56:07.399 it and it's as old as time. And I'd like 1811 01:56:07.479 --> 01:56:09.640 to think that even if we do scream from the 1812 01:56:09.720 --> 01:56:13.479 rooftops and nobody listens, at least we're trying. And I 1813 01:56:13.560 --> 01:56:17.439 do see a lot of people getting jaded and backing 1814 01:56:17.439 --> 01:56:23.479 away from it, and you know, you get people it is. 1815 01:56:23.600 --> 01:56:27.079 It's like, oh, it's the pedophiles again. That's the thing, 1816 01:56:27.199 --> 01:56:31.359 is like, why was QAnon so effective in making people 1817 01:56:31.439 --> 01:56:36.279 laugh at this shit? It's because oh, everybody's a pedophile, 1818 01:56:36.479 --> 01:56:41.800 all all all our movie stars, all our politicians. They're 1819 01:56:41.840 --> 01:56:45.119 gonna put Oprah and fucking Ellen and jail because QAnon 1820 01:56:45.199 --> 01:56:48.199 said so. Like, yeah, it's so effective the way that 1821 01:56:49.239 --> 01:56:52.800 I mean, look at pizzagate. Pizzagate is laughed at. Like 1822 01:56:52.840 --> 01:56:56.359 even some of these podcast episodes I've listened to about 1823 01:56:56.399 --> 01:57:00.319 this topic, The Children of God, they'll sit there and 1824 01:57:00.359 --> 01:57:02.279 like cover this and then be like, yeah, but it's 1825 01:57:02.319 --> 01:57:07.920 fucking Tony Pedesta and Tom Hanks, Like, aren't you guys 1826 01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:08.920 missing the point here? 1827 01:57:09.399 --> 01:57:10.000 I'm with you. 1828 01:57:11.399 --> 01:57:14.560 Blind spots are fucking massive for a lot of people 1829 01:57:14.560 --> 01:57:17.239 that are willing to like look under the rug for it, 1830 01:57:17.319 --> 01:57:18.920 but they don't see it when it's right in front 1831 01:57:18.920 --> 01:57:19.520 of their face. 1832 01:57:20.159 --> 01:57:20.920 But and you know. 1833 01:57:21.239 --> 01:57:24.279 My thing too, is like I just did an episode 1834 01:57:25.039 --> 01:57:27.800 I'm not sure when it's going to release with Sean 1835 01:57:27.880 --> 01:57:33.760 mccannon about circumcision. That's ritual abuse. That's a regular, normal 1836 01:57:33.840 --> 01:57:37.319 practice that people should be shouting from the rooftops about, 1837 01:57:37.319 --> 01:57:37.800 but they're not. 1838 01:57:38.119 --> 01:57:39.439 It makes it easier to clean. 1839 01:57:40.000 --> 01:57:43.159 But my thing is I told him this and maybe 1840 01:57:43.199 --> 01:57:47.840 you will agree. But like when I decided to end 1841 01:57:48.079 --> 01:57:55.840 my previous marriage, I knew going into our relationship that 1842 01:57:55.880 --> 01:57:59.399 there were certain core values that I have because of 1843 01:57:59.560 --> 01:58:03.279 the type of information that we cover and the type 1844 01:58:03.279 --> 01:58:07.439 of stuff that we research. And it's like, would you 1845 01:58:07.479 --> 01:58:12.800 circumcise your son, no check? Would you vaccinate your child? 1846 01:58:13.119 --> 01:58:17.680 No check? Do you believe that the world is run 1847 01:58:17.680 --> 01:58:20.840 by satanic pedophiles? Yes? Check? 1848 01:58:21.079 --> 01:58:24.640 I mean, do you like ghost adventures? No? 1849 01:58:25.520 --> 01:58:29.520 That's not part of my checklist. But I'm just saying 1850 01:58:29.600 --> 01:58:32.920 it's like I've changed as a person since I started 1851 01:58:32.960 --> 01:58:36.319 looking into this stuff. I value different things since I 1852 01:58:36.359 --> 01:58:39.840 started looking into this stuff. The things that I want 1853 01:58:39.880 --> 01:58:43.760 in a partner have changed since I started looking into 1854 01:58:43.800 --> 01:58:48.199 this stuff. I mean, how do you explain to a 1855 01:58:48.279 --> 01:58:52.520 normy person that you don't you want an uncircumcised unvaccinated 1856 01:58:52.600 --> 01:58:56.039 kid to be homeschooled because the world is ran by 1857 01:58:56.079 --> 01:58:58.439 satanic pedophiles. On a first date, you just. 1858 01:58:58.399 --> 01:59:00.720 Say it, and I think that it's better to get 1859 01:59:00.720 --> 01:59:02.359 it out of the way in the beginning. 1860 01:59:02.479 --> 01:59:04.960 But you know how hard it is to meet people 1861 01:59:05.000 --> 01:59:07.199 who are on the same track as us. 1862 01:59:08.079 --> 01:59:10.600 I mean, I don't feel like it's hard. I just 1863 01:59:10.640 --> 01:59:11.279 feel like, do. 1864 01:59:11.199 --> 01:59:13.560 You think if you went out in Ashland tomorrow and 1865 01:59:13.840 --> 01:59:17.479 started looking for a chick that Matt met this criteria? 1866 01:59:17.760 --> 01:59:21.800 It would just be diame a dozen. Oh, not necessarily, 1867 01:59:21.920 --> 01:59:24.960 But I'm talking about for the people who listen to 1868 01:59:25.039 --> 01:59:28.159 our shows who aren't interacting in the podcast world and 1869 01:59:28.199 --> 01:59:30.199 they work nine to five jobs. Do you think the 1870 01:59:30.560 --> 01:59:34.439 Sarah Ann that works at the fucking secretary desk that 1871 01:59:34.479 --> 01:59:36.319 you think is hot is just going to have these 1872 01:59:36.319 --> 01:59:39.680 ideas because you like her. No, Like, it's hard to 1873 01:59:39.760 --> 01:59:43.520 actually find people A you're attracted to B that have 1874 01:59:43.600 --> 01:59:46.960 the same values as you and then see would even 1875 01:59:47.000 --> 01:59:49.319 if they didn't, would be open to hearing about them. 1876 01:59:49.680 --> 01:59:52.079 Let's talk about pedophiles on a first date. 1877 01:59:53.439 --> 01:59:55.680 Hey, it does work, though. 1878 01:59:55.840 --> 01:59:56.760 I'm just saying it's not. 1879 01:59:57.520 --> 01:59:59.840 Yes, you think I didn't say it was easy. I'm 1880 01:59:59.840 --> 02:00:04.159 just saying it doesn't need to be like, oh, well, 1881 02:00:04.520 --> 02:00:08.079 if you have to, like, for anybody out there trying 1882 02:00:08.119 --> 02:00:13.119 to find a mate, don't wait around to make sure 1883 02:00:13.279 --> 02:00:16.199 you see eye to eye on the important things, because 1884 02:00:16.279 --> 02:00:19.359 that's just going to be like you might have sex 1885 02:00:19.359 --> 02:00:21.199 with somebody and fall in love with them and then 1886 02:00:21.319 --> 02:00:23.560 have these conversations and that's just gonna make us so 1887 02:00:23.640 --> 02:00:28.520 much harder. But I mean, everybody jokes around in this 1888 02:00:28.560 --> 02:00:30.880 community about there needs to be a dating app for 1889 02:00:31.079 --> 02:00:34.800 conspiracy theorists on disinformation. We had the commercial for it. 1890 02:00:34.800 --> 02:00:39.199 It's real, like that stuff is happening now and I 1891 02:00:39.359 --> 02:00:41.560 just think that a lot more people are awake to 1892 02:00:41.600 --> 02:00:43.920 this stuff right now than they ever have been in 1893 02:00:43.960 --> 02:00:44.439 my life. 1894 02:00:44.880 --> 02:00:48.000 And well, thank god, I think it's because we're talking 1895 02:00:48.039 --> 02:00:48.560 about it. 1896 02:00:48.560 --> 02:00:52.960 It depends on where you are too, Like I don't know, 1897 02:00:53.640 --> 02:00:56.039 it's a whole other conversation we could have for hours. 1898 02:00:56.079 --> 02:00:58.800 But it also like if you were thinking about a 1899 02:00:58.880 --> 02:01:02.600 dating profile, it would make it easier to be like 1900 02:01:02.760 --> 02:01:07.800 are you vaccinated? Is that something that you partook in? 1901 02:01:07.880 --> 02:01:11.439 Because I don't want to have your vaccinated ferm inside. 1902 02:01:11.600 --> 02:01:14.640 Sure go with that route too, with the dating apps 1903 02:01:14.640 --> 02:01:18.399 but meet people in real life and have organic conversations 1904 02:01:18.399 --> 02:01:20.439 before you even decide if you want to pursue it 1905 02:01:20.479 --> 02:01:24.359 that way, because who gives a fuck about the algorithms, 1906 02:01:24.399 --> 02:01:28.439 and you know, you're all the data that's going into 1907 02:01:29.520 --> 02:01:31.439 is this person going to be a match? You find 1908 02:01:31.479 --> 02:01:34.880 out what is important to you, and especially if you're 1909 02:01:34.880 --> 02:01:36.039 gonna have kids with somebody. 1910 02:01:36.119 --> 02:01:39.479 That's what I'm saying. That's what drove me away from 1911 02:01:39.720 --> 02:01:42.760 my last relationship is I met him before I became 1912 02:01:43.560 --> 02:01:47.680 the cosmic peach. I met him before I knew what 1913 02:01:47.760 --> 02:01:53.439 my true value system was. And that stuff will drive 1914 02:01:53.520 --> 02:01:57.039 you apart. Even if you want to love that person 1915 02:01:57.199 --> 02:02:00.760 and you feel like there's a level of possible compatibility 1916 02:02:00.840 --> 02:02:03.760 with them and you want to make it work, those 1917 02:02:04.399 --> 02:02:09.199 things will drive you apart in the end, especially like 1918 02:02:09.399 --> 02:02:13.399 when you're begging them please don't get vaccinated, and then 1919 02:02:13.439 --> 02:02:16.000 it's like you're married, so you're just stuck with them, 1920 02:02:16.359 --> 02:02:19.479 and you know that goes against everything that you believe in. 1921 02:02:20.439 --> 02:02:23.520 I mean, what do you do? It's hard. It's a 1922 02:02:23.560 --> 02:02:26.560 weird world right now. Half the people make fun of 1923 02:02:26.640 --> 02:02:29.840 people who talk about pedophiles, and they think the earth 1924 02:02:29.920 --> 02:02:33.319 is flat, and that's the main concern at the moment, 1925 02:02:33.399 --> 02:02:37.680 and I just think that it's not. I'll just say 1926 02:02:37.720 --> 02:02:40.279 that I don't think that's the main concern at the moment. 1927 02:02:41.079 --> 02:02:44.119 And then you know, you have all these little like 1928 02:02:45.000 --> 02:02:48.760 subset groups of people who think different things are the 1929 02:02:48.760 --> 02:02:49.520 most important. 1930 02:02:50.279 --> 02:02:52.880 Well, and they're all watching people like Ian Carol too, 1931 02:02:52.920 --> 02:02:57.119 even people who are awake. They see like these people 1932 02:02:57.159 --> 02:03:02.159 who will talk about certain points but only to a limit. 1933 02:03:02.760 --> 02:03:11.319 Because hey, Robert fucking Kennedy Junior bent over backwards for 1934 02:03:11.359 --> 02:03:14.640 the vaccination shit, but he just got red Dye removed 1935 02:03:14.640 --> 02:03:17.960 from the foods. Will excuse me, I can fucking make 1936 02:03:18.000 --> 02:03:20.479 that choice when I go to the grocery store for myself. 1937 02:03:20.520 --> 02:03:22.880 I don't need the government to take red Die out 1938 02:03:22.960 --> 02:03:25.159 of foods. I'm not saying I don't think it's cool 1939 02:03:25.159 --> 02:03:28.920 that that's happening. But he's totally been over backwards on 1940 02:03:28.960 --> 02:03:32.359 the stuff that matters more to me. Like he agrees 1941 02:03:32.439 --> 02:03:36.199 with the vaccine schedule where you get three fucking COVID 1942 02:03:36.279 --> 02:03:38.359 jabs by the time you're six months old, that's all 1943 02:03:38.399 --> 02:03:41.119 fine to him, even though he made his fucking fortune 1944 02:03:41.159 --> 02:03:45.600 by going up against that stuff. But you know what, 1945 02:03:46.000 --> 02:03:47.319 he got Red die out of food. 1946 02:03:47.600 --> 02:03:48.600 So I'm with you. 1947 02:03:48.960 --> 02:03:51.640 Me and Carol will still make video sucking Robert Kennedy's 1948 02:03:52.039 --> 02:03:55.600 junior's dig because you know, I'll look the other way 1949 02:03:55.680 --> 02:04:00.000 when he writes a fucking editorial article for Fox News 1950 02:04:00.319 --> 02:04:03.640 that we need to up m envirnment vaccines so that 1951 02:04:03.680 --> 02:04:09.159 the measles outbreak doesn't happen. But he does he does 1952 02:04:09.239 --> 02:04:11.000 push ups. Yeah, that's actually how. 1953 02:04:11.039 --> 02:04:15.600 Oh and it's like it's like he's cool with three 1954 02:04:15.720 --> 02:04:19.479 COVID jabs before you're six months old, and everybody needs 1955 02:04:19.520 --> 02:04:24.359 to get the measles and mumps rubella vaccines. That's all great, but. 1956 02:04:24.800 --> 02:04:27.239 Even though he said it causes autism. 1957 02:04:27.279 --> 02:04:30.119 But no, he got Steak and Shake to use fake 1958 02:04:30.239 --> 02:04:33.079 tallow in their fries. Let's all give him a pat 1959 02:04:33.159 --> 02:04:34.039 on the fucking. 1960 02:04:33.800 --> 02:04:36.920 Back tallow in the fries. They were already cooked in 1961 02:04:37.000 --> 02:04:39.399 vegetable oil before they were even dipped in the fucking 1962 02:04:39.479 --> 02:04:42.560 beef tallow. So good job, buddy. Yeah. 1963 02:04:42.560 --> 02:04:45.159 That's what I'm saying, though, is like this guy, this 1964 02:04:45.239 --> 02:04:47.319 guy is and he. 1965 02:04:47.279 --> 02:04:50.720 Also did some shit with that I thought was very 1966 02:04:50.800 --> 02:04:55.199 like Summer of Love George Floydish when everybody bent over 1967 02:04:55.359 --> 02:04:59.560 backwards on their previous stance on gathering in public when 1968 02:05:00.039 --> 02:05:03.960 rioting is actually more important. Even the fucking health authorities 1969 02:05:04.000 --> 02:05:07.840 are saying rioting for George Floyd is more important than 1970 02:05:07.880 --> 02:05:11.640 not getting COVID. But you weren't allowed to go to church, 1971 02:05:11.680 --> 02:05:13.720 you weren't allowed to go to the bar. But if 1972 02:05:13.760 --> 02:05:17.319 you're gonna riot, it's okay now. Robert F. Kennedy Junior 1973 02:05:17.520 --> 02:05:20.319 just did a thing where he says, you know, there's 1974 02:05:20.319 --> 02:05:22.680 some things that are more important than the health stuff, 1975 02:05:22.840 --> 02:05:24.960 like standing with Israel. 1976 02:05:26.279 --> 02:05:28.399 So what an interesting statement. 1977 02:05:29.439 --> 02:05:29.920 I thought so. 1978 02:05:30.960 --> 02:05:33.159 But you know what I'm saying, though, it's just a 1979 02:05:33.159 --> 02:05:36.960 weird world where it's like a bunch of subjects of 1980 02:05:37.119 --> 02:05:41.479 things that people are holding more valuable than other things, 1981 02:05:41.520 --> 02:05:48.399 and it's just it's hard to find compatibility. I guess, well, 1982 02:05:48.439 --> 02:05:48.920 we don't. 1983 02:05:48.720 --> 02:05:51.279 Need to complain about that. No, even though I don't 1984 02:05:51.359 --> 02:05:51.880 like oost. 1985 02:05:51.720 --> 02:05:56.159 Adventures, not everyone has been so fortunate. I think it's 1986 02:05:56.199 --> 02:05:58.920 it's just a strange world that we're living in right now. 1987 02:05:59.000 --> 02:06:02.600 Especially those who were making fun of like kids getting raped. 1988 02:06:03.239 --> 02:06:05.640 Well, they think that we're obsessed with it. 1989 02:06:06.319 --> 02:06:08.119 I'm not obsessed with kids getting raped. 1990 02:06:08.239 --> 02:06:10.640 I'm obsessed with the fact that it happens on a 1991 02:06:10.680 --> 02:06:11.439 normal basis. 1992 02:06:11.479 --> 02:06:15.199 Me too, me too, And that it's gone on for 1993 02:06:15.239 --> 02:06:17.560 so long and so far back into time and it's 1994 02:06:17.600 --> 02:06:18.920 still just a funny joke. 1995 02:06:19.199 --> 02:06:22.720 Well that's fine with me, but it can stop. How 1996 02:06:22.720 --> 02:06:25.880 about that. Like, I don't give a shit what was 1997 02:06:25.920 --> 02:06:29.520 going on in Rome a thousand years ago, but I 1998 02:06:29.560 --> 02:06:30.319 do care now. 1999 02:06:31.279 --> 02:06:33.840 But I think that the stuff that was going on 2000 02:06:33.920 --> 02:06:36.479 in Rome a thousand years ago is I mean. 2001 02:06:36.399 --> 02:06:38.079 It's yeah, it's the reason it's happening. 2002 02:06:38.159 --> 02:06:39.920 Yeah, I'm just saying it's never changed. 2003 02:06:40.159 --> 02:06:43.159 No, I mean that's why I. 2004 02:06:43.159 --> 02:06:45.479 Don't think the Family International has changed. 2005 02:06:46.079 --> 02:06:48.319 But they still don't need to picture JC when you're 2006 02:06:48.359 --> 02:06:51.119 fucking flicking your bean or getting realed. 2007 02:06:51.560 --> 02:06:54.239 Do you remember the cult that you're covering next week? 2008 02:06:55.479 --> 02:06:56.800 Yeah, and I might change it. 2009 02:06:57.359 --> 02:06:59.079 Oh, so I guess you can't give us. 2010 02:06:59.000 --> 02:07:03.239 A tease then I'm thinking about changing it. So yeah, 2011 02:07:03.279 --> 02:07:05.000 we're not going to lead a hint this week for me. 2012 02:07:05.079 --> 02:07:05.560 What about you? 2013 02:07:06.479 --> 02:07:11.680 Oh I think I remember, Yeah, I think I remember. 2014 02:07:11.840 --> 02:07:14.800 It's something that I've talked about briefly in the past. 2015 02:07:14.920 --> 02:07:17.960 But I'm gonna hit it a little bit harder next 2016 02:07:18.000 --> 02:07:24.680 week and get into all of the details. Hopefully maybe 2017 02:07:24.680 --> 02:07:29.000 I'll put some more backstory and stuff. I'll try not 2018 02:07:29.039 --> 02:07:31.479 to get to the punchline so quick next week. 2019 02:07:32.079 --> 02:07:36.840 It's okay, I wasn't bashing your presentation, No, I. 2020 02:07:36.800 --> 02:07:41.119 Mean I do like to just focus on the gory bits. 2021 02:07:41.319 --> 02:07:43.760 I guess well I had no shortage of that with 2022 02:07:43.840 --> 02:07:45.319 Mike Cold so right. 2023 02:07:45.880 --> 02:07:48.560 Yeah, yeah, No, I think both of us had a 2024 02:07:48.560 --> 02:07:50.239 couple of real blood baths. 2025 02:07:50.640 --> 02:07:54.359 I mean I think that this fucking Children of God. 2026 02:07:54.520 --> 02:07:57.159 Just researching it on the internet you could get some 2027 02:07:57.239 --> 02:08:00.079 red flags raised down you, but the people doing it 2028 02:08:00.079 --> 02:08:00.479 it didn't. 2029 02:08:00.960 --> 02:08:04.239 Oh sure, No, yeah it was hunky dory. 2030 02:08:04.920 --> 02:08:08.000 So that's your hint. It's something you've talked about before. Yeah, 2031 02:08:08.079 --> 02:08:10.039 I have no bigger hints. 2032 02:08:09.920 --> 02:08:11.399 No, because it'll give it away. 2033 02:08:12.079 --> 02:08:13.960 Okay, So. 2034 02:08:15.960 --> 02:08:18.239 If you don't have anything else to add. 2035 02:08:21.000 --> 02:08:24.680 Nope, picture Jesus tonight, everybody, wink wink? 2036 02:08:25.199 --> 02:08:25.960 Are we doing that? 2037 02:08:27.159 --> 02:08:27.800 I always do? 2038 02:08:30.560 --> 02:08:34.720 With that being said, thanks for listening. We'll see you 2039 02:08:35.000 --> 02:08:41.239 again next week four into the Cultiverse, part forward, and 2040 02:08:41.840 --> 02:08:46.039 there is one very important vital piece of information I 2041 02:08:46.159 --> 02:08:49.359 need you to learn just as soon as humanly possible. 2042 02:09:21.439 --> 02:09:28.840 Home in No that a home in the city home 2043 02:09:29.000 --> 02:09:30.199 is a Bday. 2044 02:09:31.720 --> 02:09:32.920 And the whole me. 2045 02:09:35.680 --> 02:09:43.319 Home in the darkness, home on the highway, Home is 2046 02:09:43.359 --> 02:09:44.920 in my way. 2047 02:09:45.960 --> 02:09:46.239 Home. 2048 02:09:46.239 --> 02:09:46.960 I'll never be. 2049 02:09:49.600 --> 02:09:52.920 Murn out stay. 2050 02:09:53.079 --> 02:09:54.680 But after night. 2051 02:09:56.479 --> 02:09:59.840 I can't say it's a two put up the face. 2052 02:10:03.880 --> 02:10:05.640 I'm living lo ever. 2053 02:10:05.640 --> 02:10:19.479 Love Devil's Dune. 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