Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the nonprofits.
Speaker 2: Our fourth and final segment this week takes us across
Speaker 2: the pond to mary Old, England. The Church of England
Speaker 2: has ruled that non alcoholic wine and gluten free bread
Speaker 2: cannot be used for Holy Communion, affirming that only wheat
Speaker 2: based bread and fermented grape juice are valid sacramental elements.
Speaker 2: While acknowledging the difficulties this creates for those with dietary restrictions,
Speaker 2: the church maintains that receiving only one element still constitutes
Speaker 2: full participation. Critics, including synod member Reverend Canon Alice Kemp,
Speaker 2: argue that this policy excludes those unable to consume gluten
Speaker 2: er alcohol. However, Bishop Michael Ipgrave emphasized that changing this
Speaker 2: would require overturning long established church doctrine. We wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to have to do that. This story is from Newsbreak
Speaker 2: by George Lithgow on February ninth, twenty twenty five, and
Speaker 2: I would like to hand this to Stephen first.
Speaker 1: Is this move by the Church of England.
Speaker 2: Is this BIB based or if they preach that I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: if they preach that we are to do what Jesus
Speaker 2: would do is this what Jesus would do.
Speaker 3: Tell you what Jesus would do. Can't let me, let
Speaker 3: me pars it down this way. This is you know,
Speaker 3: while I was in Bible college, this is the handles
Speaker 3: that we were given for for handling the overarching message
Speaker 3: of the Bible that obviously Jesus is the focus of that.
Speaker 3: In the beginning, God was like on earth and he,
Speaker 3: you know, interacted with man and woman more importantly man
Speaker 3: face to face. And then they sinned, and so then
Speaker 3: God had to remove himself a step, so then he
Speaker 3: was speaking more indirectly, and then as man continue to
Speaker 3: sin even more, he had to get further and further
Speaker 3: until he's speaking through Moses. Now he's speaking through the prophets.
Speaker 3: Now he's giving them a king and speaking to the king,
Speaker 3: and the king is speaking to the people. And then
Speaker 3: you know, just this creation of a system in order
Speaker 3: to because we can't communicate to God face to face,
Speaker 3: we need this the rules, right, Okay, So then when
Speaker 3: Jesus came along, he was like, hey, look up or sorry?
Speaker 3: Whence that the Israelite people were so concerned about breaking
Speaker 3: any of these rules and facing expulsion from the land.
Speaker 3: That put an extra layer of rules around the rules
Speaker 3: to prevent anyone from ever coming close to breaking the
Speaker 3: rules and displeasing God. And that was displeasing God. And
Speaker 3: he came down and said, hey, listen up, your fuckers,
Speaker 3: you're really missing the point. You're really missing my heart here.
Speaker 3: I care about people, and you're putting all of these
Speaker 3: rules around to try to exclude people. And the Kingdom
Speaker 3: of God is all about including people, not about excluding people.
Speaker 3: So when I hear a story about this where the
Speaker 3: Church of England says, hey, we've got these rules, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: the Bible doesn't say that our communion bread, our communion
Speaker 3: wafers need to have wheat. No, no, no, the Bible
Speaker 3: doesn't say that communion wine needs to be made from
Speaker 3: fermented grape. That's just our rules and we can't break
Speaker 3: those rules because that would be inconvenient. And to hear
Speaker 3: that it's excluding people based on their own fucking rules,
Speaker 3: and what is the fucking point do? Why? What? How
Speaker 3: are you missing the point of this of this Like
Speaker 3: it's so clearly like Jesus is you know, you're calling
Speaker 3: out the Israelites for this idea that oh no, I
Speaker 3: don't I'm not going to give the I'm not going
Speaker 3: to support my parents because what I would have given
Speaker 3: to support my parents, I'm actually going to give to
Speaker 3: God and that's what God wants. And Jesus is clearly
Speaker 3: calling them out for placing these rules of man above
Speaker 3: the rules of God. And I don't understand how the
Speaker 3: Church of England could be missing the point so massively clearly,
Speaker 3: uh that that it's the it's the hearts of people.
Speaker 3: And if you're excluding people from participating in the sacraments
Speaker 3: and saying well, it's okay, like no, fuck off, that's
Speaker 3: what I have to say. That's what Jesus would say.
Speaker 1: Jesus would funk that shit.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, thank you, thanks Stephen EJ. We're going
Speaker 2: to jump over to you here. Steven thinks that obviously
Speaker 2: this doesn't have a biblical foundation, so.
Speaker 1: What could be the motive here? Could it?
Speaker 2: Is it really just boil down to long held tradition
Speaker 2: or what's going on with this?
Speaker 4: So, as far as I can understand, the whole reason
Speaker 4: was because it's not accurate ceremony. However, it's an odd
Speaker 4: distinction to make since the wine is only a representation
Speaker 4: to the cee of Church of England sorry much or
Speaker 4: unlike how the Catholic Church believes in transcendentation, which they believe,
Speaker 4: it's actually turning into the body and blood of Jesus,
Speaker 4: which is very disturbing that I've thought about it after
Speaker 4: being a Catholic. But to make it worse, likely due
Speaker 4: to the region he was in, it wasn't whine they
Speaker 4: would have been drinking anyway. It was rather more likely
Speaker 4: to be bail. So maybe the Churche of England should
Speaker 4: switch to a pinal egad instead of being swapped tight about.
Speaker 4: All it does is include people who want to join in.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, Church of England that standard for them.
Speaker 4: But come on, I know that church isn't exactly fond
Speaker 4: of inclusivity, but wait, if people want to be saved,
Speaker 4: you should let them. And if you disagree with that,
Speaker 4: you're disagreeing with Jesus.
Speaker 2: That's our job, right, We don't let them infringing on
Speaker 2: our territory.
Speaker 4: Right exactly.
Speaker 1: So wait, so I just want to do a little
Speaker 1: sidetrack here.
Speaker 2: So you said the Church of England is kind of
Speaker 2: exclusionary by nature?
Speaker 1: Is that is it?
Speaker 2: Can you go into that a little bit more? I mean,
Speaker 2: what other ways is the Church of England exclusionary.
Speaker 4: So Britain and England specifically has a lot a lot
Speaker 4: of the Scottish English rivalry comes from Catholicism versus Protestantism. Basically,
Speaker 4: whenever one was Protestant, the other was Catholic, and whenever
Speaker 4: the Church of England was Protestant and Scotland was Catholic
Speaker 4: for a while, what would happen is there'd be a
Speaker 4: large population of Catholics up at the northern border, partially
Speaker 4: in England, and they'd get very very upset with this
Speaker 4: and to the extremes they'd start going around killing people. Uh.
Speaker 4: In fact, especially around the Tudor era, after Henry the
Speaker 4: eighth side with the whole Queen Mary of Scots and
Speaker 4: the Elizabeth first situation.
Speaker 5: To present like Henry Harry just wanting to get his
Speaker 5: rocksoff man, the.
Speaker 2: Man knew what he wanted, right, that's maybe that's his
Speaker 2: life goals, right, does you drink wine?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: No, sorry, sorry, we're interrupting you. Inside joke there, Sorry,
Speaker 2: go ahead, Ejectricy, please continue.
Speaker 4: It's okay, it's the The Church of England has a
Speaker 4: history of completely decimating groups of people and excluding them
Speaker 4: for not agreeing with them.
Speaker 2: Is it is that there is that they have political
Speaker 2: differences and they're using the religion as their knife to separate,
Speaker 2: to separate these groups.
Speaker 1: Okay, sometimes it is.
Speaker 4: Especially the founding, there was a there was a genuine
Speaker 4: belief that they were really working for gold and the
Speaker 4: head of the chart should be the king, right, which
Speaker 4: I'm sure you can see what Henry loved it?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Interesting? Interesting?
Speaker 2: All right, Well I want to jump back to Helen,
Speaker 2: uh real quick here. We haven't heard from you much
Speaker 2: on this one. What do you think you know, what's
Speaker 2: what's your take with this? I know I know that
Speaker 2: you have a Catholic history, What's what what's the Catholic
Speaker 2: do you on this?
Speaker 5: So as a pharma Catholic, I've done a lot of
Speaker 5: campibalism with the body and body and bloody Christ also
Speaker 5: e J I'm sorry, Like, I just find it very
Speaker 5: funny that, you know, the Henry in the eighth really
Speaker 5: wanted to get laid and he was like, Hey, I'm
Speaker 5: going to separate from the Catholic Church and create my
Speaker 5: own church. Yeah, okay, get divorce so I can get
Speaker 5: my rocks off. Like it's it's a very weird. It's
Speaker 5: very like toxic masculine vibes. But regardless, like I'm going
Speaker 5: to create a whole new religion and separations, so I
Speaker 5: get my rock sop, very toxic masculine, a very religious.
Speaker 1: I see you, Henry the Eighth, I see you.
Speaker 3: For I am so.
Speaker 5: That being said, I remember when I was a kid,
Speaker 5: since I could not drink wine because I was not
Speaker 5: twenty one day, would give us grape juice. So like
Speaker 5: the Catholic Church has already been kind of bending the
Speaker 5: rules anyway, So.
Speaker 6: I don't want to see you.
Speaker 4: I know you're a whole better than a Catholic church
Speaker 4: who would just give the kids wine.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, like this like this is the thing.
Speaker 2: When I was right, he didn't turn water into grape
Speaker 2: juice after all, So like, well just wasn't a.
Speaker 5: Thing like two found years ago. I'm so sorry, Like
Speaker 5: but that's that's the thing, Like they're the Catholic Church
Speaker 5: has always been making exceumptions like look at the Pope
Speaker 5: being like kind of okay with gay people now, like
Speaker 5: like it is they are constantly adjusting to the changing
Speaker 5: wings of the people. I don't know why the Church
Speaker 5: of England is kind of and the like, it's kind
Speaker 5: of like, no, it has to be wine. It has
Speaker 5: to be like you know, something has gluten in it.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, listen, I'm like, if you're all powerful
Speaker 5: god is very specific that about bread and wine, that
Speaker 5: that his flesh cannot be transmuted into a like you know,
Speaker 5: a rice cracker and grape juice.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 5: I'm like, does your god actually have any fucking power? Like,
Speaker 5: let's like think about.
Speaker 1: This just for two seconds.
Speaker 5: Just think about it for two seconds, Like this is
Speaker 5: supposed to be the creator of the universe, like all powerful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if he's.
Speaker 5: Able to transmute his body and blood into bread and wine,
Speaker 5: what does it matter if he has glutenant or not.
Speaker 5: And by the way, grieps don't have gluten. So I
Speaker 5: don't even know why this is a fucking argument.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that the way the biscuits is a thing.
Speaker 5: So I'm sorry. So rice is like his like you know,
Speaker 5: his scryptonized Like I can't do rice.
Speaker 1: Maybe it doesn't transubstantiate as well, Right, this isn't.
Speaker 5: Powerful deity, Like why were you having this argument? So
Speaker 5: maybe your God isn't as powerful as he thought he was.
Speaker 1: Just gonna say, and maybe.
Speaker 5: Because I'm just as as the conservatives like to say,
Speaker 5: I'm just asking questions.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Stephen, what were you saying?
Speaker 3: Just that maybe you're not putting your faith in God.
Speaker 3: Maybe you're not trusting him that he's going to protect
Speaker 3: you from those harmorfuls of gluten. If you really believed
Speaker 3: in God, if you are a really real Christian, you
Speaker 3: would eat that wheat and you'd know that you'd be Okay.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's it.
Speaker 2: Maybe they want to exclude the faithless, right, they want
Speaker 2: to exclude the faithless or the weak of faith. That's interesting, Okay,
Speaker 2: Well I want I want to propose another scenario here.
Speaker 2: So sometimes people get kind of nitpicky about the details
Speaker 2: because they want to make something seem more important than
Speaker 2: it is. So the idea being that if this weren't
Speaker 2: so important, then why would we care about the details
Speaker 2: so much? Right, So I want to I'm gonna start
Speaker 2: with Steven, since we're talking to you right now, do
Speaker 2: you think the Church of England could be intentionally fluffing
Speaker 2: up the importance of communion or or what here?
Speaker 3: Like like I think like maybe it's I could see
Speaker 3: it being a flex like hate you know what we're
Speaker 3: making the rules and this is what we say the
Speaker 3: rules are. And if you don't like it, well you
Speaker 3: can go to hell. Literally I could totally see that.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, that and and like that idea of like
Speaker 3: not backsliding, not there's no are what's what's a quote
Speaker 3: from the Crucible? When that all theology is a fortress
Speaker 3: and no fault can be viewed as minor. Like everything
Speaker 3: has to be important, So we are not going to
Speaker 3: give on this small detail because there are no small
Speaker 3: details than God.
Speaker 1: How about you, EJ, What what do you think about
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 2: Do you think that that this they could be focusing
Speaker 2: on these details because they want to make it seem
Speaker 2: important or could it be because as Steven suggested, maybe
Speaker 2: all things are important. There's nothing but that's that's not
Speaker 2: worthy of one hundred percent attention and that kind of thing,
Speaker 2: or do you think it's something else.
Speaker 4: I have a feeling this is a bit of an
Speaker 4: internal church passing match, and that this is the result
Speaker 4: of two people who are quite high up in the
Speaker 4: church really beckering about it. However, I would be very
Speaker 4: very curious to see if King Charles, the current King
Speaker 4: of England, King of Bretton unfortune and head of the
Speaker 4: chart would intervene to say no, no, let's let's allow
Speaker 4: gluten since he has the power to do that. He also,
Speaker 4: weirdly has a car that runs on left over wine,
Speaker 4: so I'm sure he'd be all for it.
Speaker 2: Does it run on leftover wine or does it run
Speaker 2: left over grape juice? I mean, come on, there has
Speaker 2: to be you know, we got to take that into
Speaker 2: consideration here.
Speaker 4: If gape juice as combustible, possibly as grape, I'd have
Speaker 4: to test that one sugar.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe who knows, who knows what? All right,
Speaker 2: I want to let's jump back to Helen here. I
Speaker 2: want to in the article they said, and I quote
Speaker 2: the guidance states that the bread must be made with
Speaker 2: wheat flour and the wine must be fermented grape juice
Speaker 2: to be constant consecrated. But they do make wine that
Speaker 2: has non alcoholic wine, that is that has been fermented.
Speaker 2: You can make wine, and then you can take actual
Speaker 2: wine that's produced through the normal process, and then there
Speaker 2: are various ways that you can get the alcohol out.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's like.
Speaker 2: Reverse osmosis, and there's other other types of process you
Speaker 2: can boil the alcohol off. I've tried actually making non
Speaker 2: alcoholic homebrew beer by by you make the beer regular
Speaker 2: and then you boil the alcohol off slowly and at
Speaker 2: fairly low temperatures because because the alcohol boils at a
Speaker 2: lower temperature than the rest of the liquid. So there
Speaker 2: are ways that you.
Speaker 1: Can make non alcoholic wine that has been fermental.
Speaker 5: To Scott, you're talking science. Can't talk science where you
Speaker 5: talk about religion.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 2: However, science being a gift from the Almighty, of course,
Speaker 2: But we can make non alcoholic wine. And I even
Speaker 2: found a company and this was over a year ago
Speaker 2: that I saw this. I found a company that in
Speaker 2: Spain that can make They they've they've perfected a process
Speaker 2: of making gluten free wheat wheat flour. They can take
Speaker 2: the glue out of the wheat flower and so theoretically
Speaker 2: you can still have gluten free uh you know, gluten
Speaker 2: free biscuits without having and it's still made out of
Speaker 2: wheat flower. You can have non alcoholic wine and then
Speaker 2: still have it be fermented. If these options are not acceptable,
Speaker 2: then what's the deal? What what I mean? What's going on?
Speaker 5: It's almost like it's almost like people in that have
Speaker 5: power want to control certain things in certain groups of
Speaker 5: who gets access to those positions of power.
Speaker 2: Weird interesting, you're the kind of throughout all of the
Speaker 2: kind of thing.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like, okay, like Nietzsche is a not burger,
Speaker 5: but one of the things he did point out, like
Speaker 5: I'm not like a huge fan niche, but one of
Speaker 5: the things he did point out is that the priests
Speaker 5: and the people, uh that is keeping you from like
Speaker 5: becoming an individual and having your own enlightenment and your
Speaker 5: own mind is the fact that you will get access
Speaker 5: to this divine power if you start gatekeeping over like
Speaker 5: little things over gluten, you're not as far as you're
Speaker 5: not part of the super special club, and which also
Speaker 5: kind of goes against their whole idea of like, let's
Speaker 5: say you have an alcohol addiction. You can't consume wine,
Speaker 5: alcoholic wine if you have an alcoholic addiction. So are
Speaker 5: you going to tell those people, I'm sorry you don't
Speaker 5: get to.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're not worthy then maybe they're not in that
Speaker 2: particular way.
Speaker 1: Maybe that renders them unworthy.
Speaker 6: And doesn't that kind of speak to the insidiousness of
Speaker 6: religion that only super special people in super special groups,
Speaker 6: and you're following certain lines get to participate in certain rituals,
Speaker 6: and maybe we should be looking at this particular story
Speaker 6: not so much about like gluten versus non gluten versus
Speaker 6: like power structures and how power striachers kind of hold
Speaker 6: the masses in certain you know, levels, rather than all
Speaker 6: being part of humanity.
Speaker 5: And if you are allowed to, if you want to
Speaker 5: participate in particular faith, maybe the faith should accommodate the
Speaker 5: person rather than the person accommodating the faith.
Speaker 2: Well, that that would not God does not about that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff at all. That's all about obedience.
Speaker 1: Strict adherence. I mean, that would be totally against the
Speaker 1: whole thing. I mean, then mass hysteria.
Speaker 5: I'm going to point out, though, I'm just I'm just
Speaker 5: as I'm just gonna ask questions. God concerned about gluten
Speaker 5: two thousand years ago, to say, what's a concerned when
Speaker 5: Peter established the Catholic Church, was there concerned about gluten?
Speaker 6: I'm just asking questions, right.
Speaker 2: Right, All right, Well, speaking of questions, I do have
Speaker 2: a surprise question for all of you, and so I'm
Speaker 2: going to read something to you, and then I want
Speaker 2: to get your feedback on this. This is on the
Speaker 2: Church of England dot org website. So this is the
Speaker 2: official Church of England website. And this is a press
Speaker 2: release that came out the day after our the article.
Speaker 2: We just have been discussing and I'm going to apologize
Speaker 2: in advance. I'm kind of throwing all of you under
Speaker 2: the bus here. Thanks, but I'm also throwing myself under
Speaker 2: the bus as well.
Speaker 1: Here's the here's the press release.
Speaker 2: No, we're not banning gluten free bread or non alcoholic
Speaker 2: Communion wine. Contrary to recent reports following question asked by
Speaker 2: a General Synod member, the Church of England is not
Speaker 2: banning gluten free wafers nor non alcoholic wine at communion.
Speaker 2: Church of England churches across the country routinely offered gluten
Speaker 2: free bread or non alcoholic wine at Holy Communion. Many
Speaker 2: professional ecclesiastical suppliers have long for vided wine or bread
Speaker 2: which may contain tiny traces of alcohol or gluten, which
Speaker 2: can legitimately be considered non alcoholic or gluten free. We
Speaker 2: hope this helps clarify and avoid further confusion. So in
Speaker 2: a way, we were all kind of sucked into this
Speaker 2: article and none of us bothered to check if it
Speaker 2: was true. Now, granted I did come across this, but
Speaker 2: I wasn't I'll admit I wasn't looking to double check
Speaker 2: the article.
Speaker 1: I wasn't looking to double check the article.
Speaker 2: I was just looking for another another perspective, and I
Speaker 2: happened to come across this. But the story is is wrong.
Speaker 2: They're they're not doing that kind of restructions.
Speaker 7: Bias because I call this on our bias, like you,
Speaker 7: all of us, myself included, on our biases.
Speaker 5: So and I think that's great. I think that's really
Speaker 5: great that you called this on this bias because those
Speaker 5: of us that are in the spice, spice spices, taste,
Speaker 5: the spice was flow. It's all about the spice that
Speaker 5: are in this space that we automatically see articles like
Speaker 5: this and we automatically go like, well, like religion is fucked.
Speaker 5: They're obviously trying to, you know, pull one over the eyes.
Speaker 5: But you made a very legitimate point that you yourself
Speaker 5: were like, well, maybe I'll just do a little bit
Speaker 5: more digging, which the rest of us did not, and
Speaker 5: you pointed out it's like, oh I was wrong about this,
Speaker 5: So I think that, So kudos on you. For pointing
Speaker 5: out that we.
Speaker 4: All have bias.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. It's it's you know, it's hard.
Speaker 2: It's hard to call it's hard to call yourself out
Speaker 2: on that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Stephen, What do you what do you think about that?
Speaker 3: I know, I want to look up what is it? Uh?
Speaker 3: What's that website daily Daily Grind? What I'm blanking on
Speaker 3: the website that you can check your sources through to
Speaker 3: find out what their bias is? And what what's the
Speaker 3: webs snap? No no, no, no, no ground new thank you.
Speaker 3: I knew it had something to do with grinding, but
Speaker 3: not grinder. Yeah, that's that's uh. I want to double check. Yeah,
Speaker 3: run through there and see where this information came from.
Speaker 3: It's true. I saw it and I was just pissed
Speaker 3: off about it because it just it just feels right.
Speaker 3: It has that ring of truth about it, right, at
Speaker 3: least from from my limited perspective, that seems like something
Speaker 3: because yeah, there's historical precedence for it, e g.
Speaker 1: What do you think I'll give you the last the
Speaker 1: last word on.
Speaker 4: This, so I f weln on because I then not blank, like, oh,
Speaker 4: the Church of England is doing this incredibly stupid bias thing.
Speaker 4: I just kind of went, we tracks with our story.
Speaker 4: And also it's a good lesson on like checking sources
Speaker 4: before I'm going to be one hundred percent honest. I
Speaker 4: put like a fair bit of research into the other ones.
Speaker 4: When I saw that's one, I just kind of went, yeah, something.
Speaker 1: It's super easy, isn't it. It was super easy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, No, I think it's a it's a perfect
Speaker 2: example that we need to check ourselves, right.
Speaker 1: And you know all, I'll admit this to you.
Speaker 2: Last night I was talking to one of our producers
Speaker 2: and you can probably guess who it is based of
Speaker 2: what they.
Speaker 1: Said I asked them.
Speaker 2: So I told them, look, I just found this in
Speaker 2: my research that this whole story is just bs uh.
Speaker 2: Do you think I should tell the others or do
Speaker 2: you think I should string them along and then tell
Speaker 2: them at the end. And they said, totally string them
Speaker 2: along and tell them at the end. So you can
Speaker 2: probably figure out which producer.
Speaker 1: Right there, I tell you who it was.
Speaker 2: So I also want to put I also want to
Speaker 2: ask all of our viewers if you phoned yourself going
Speaker 2: along with the flow of this, thinking, yeah, this is
Speaker 2: kind of this is a ridiculous thing. It's a good
Speaker 2: reminder that we all need to check ourselves. We all
Speaker 2: need to check in with ourselves. We need to double
Speaker 2: check our sources, especially in these days of misinformation.
Speaker 1: EJ. Did you have a last thing you wanted? I
Speaker 1: saw that you saw a hand up there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, if I may. This is a very good example
Speaker 4: of don't use us as like, use us as a
Speaker 4: jumping off point, because we get stuff wrong. And if
Speaker 4: you are a bit like me and you occasionally watch
Speaker 4: videos halfway through, guaranteed if I was watching this and
Speaker 4: not starring it, I would have like heard that tuned
Speaker 4: out and then got to like.
Speaker 1: Forgot this part exactly.
Speaker 4: It's very good to even when you see it from
Speaker 4: what you think is a trusted source, even if it
Speaker 4: says go and check it. We get stuff wrong. We're
Speaker 4: human and we are mostly self admitted idiots.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. People make mistakes. And when if people and
Speaker 1: to the people.
Speaker 2: That wrote the article too, they should have updated that,
Speaker 2: they should have updated that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's on them too.
Speaker 2: It's we're all you know, it's all part of this
Speaker 2: information transition, you know, this information highway thing here.
Speaker 1: We all we.
Speaker 2: Need to police it Helen, you gotta go ahead take
Speaker 2: the last word, and then we're wrapping up.
Speaker 5: As someone then knew this was true, I pointed out
Speaker 5: in the beginning that like we were giving grape juice
Speaker 5: like you do not have to consume like actual wine.
Speaker 5: I'm also going to check myself that I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: this seems like perfectly legitimate, even though I knew it
Speaker 5: wasn't true. So my own bias kind of kicks me
Speaker 5: in the ass. So I will admit that I am
Speaker 5: so sorry.
Speaker 2: One who audience that's uh making mistakes as human what
Speaker 2: we got to learn from our mistakes and be better
Speaker 2: next time. So, speaking of next time, if any of
Speaker 2: you want to watch us be better than we were
Speaker 2: this time,