WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:01.960 All right, welcome to the nonprofits. 2 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:05.000 Our fourth and final segment this week takes us across 3 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:08.240 the pond to mary Old, England. The Church of England 4 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:11.880 has ruled that non alcoholic wine and gluten free bread 5 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:15.439 cannot be used for Holy Communion, affirming that only wheat 6 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:19.440 based bread and fermented grape juice are valid sacramental elements. 7 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:23.760 While acknowledging the difficulties this creates for those with dietary restrictions, 8 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:27.719 the church maintains that receiving only one element still constitutes 9 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:33.119 full participation. Critics, including synod member Reverend Canon Alice Kemp, 10 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:36.840 argue that this policy excludes those unable to consume gluten 11 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:41.640 er alcohol. However, Bishop Michael Ipgrave emphasized that changing this 12 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:46.399 would require overturning long established church doctrine. We wouldn't want 13 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:49.159 to have to do that. This story is from Newsbreak 14 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:54.000 by George Lithgow on February ninth, twenty twenty five, and 15 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:57.000 I would like to hand this to Stephen first. 16 00:00:57.719 --> 00:00:59.439 Is this move by the Church of England. 17 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:03.799 Is this BIB based or if they preach that I'm sorry, 18 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:05.959 if they preach that we are to do what Jesus 19 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:08.239 would do is this what Jesus would do. 20 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:11.439 Tell you what Jesus would do. Can't let me, let 21 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:13.319 me pars it down this way. This is you know, 22 00:01:13.319 --> 00:01:15.560 while I was in Bible college, this is the handles 23 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:19.359 that we were given for for handling the overarching message 24 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:22.159 of the Bible that obviously Jesus is the focus of that. 25 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:25.200 In the beginning, God was like on earth and he, 26 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:29.239 you know, interacted with man and woman more importantly man 27 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:32.040 face to face. And then they sinned, and so then 28 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:34.439 God had to remove himself a step, so then he 29 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:39.359 was speaking more indirectly, and then as man continue to 30 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:41.799 sin even more, he had to get further and further 31 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:46.000 until he's speaking through Moses. Now he's speaking through the prophets. 32 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:48.799 Now he's giving them a king and speaking to the king, 33 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:50.519 and the king is speaking to the people. And then 34 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:54.799 you know, just this creation of a system in order 35 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:57.840 to because we can't communicate to God face to face, 36 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:02.400 we need this the rules, right, Okay, So then when 37 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:06.920 Jesus came along, he was like, hey, look up or sorry? 38 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:14.360 Whence that the Israelite people were so concerned about breaking 39 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:17.000 any of these rules and facing expulsion from the land. 40 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.680 That put an extra layer of rules around the rules 41 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.039 to prevent anyone from ever coming close to breaking the 42 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:25.840 rules and displeasing God. And that was displeasing God. And 43 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:28.439 he came down and said, hey, listen up, your fuckers, 44 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:31.639 you're really missing the point. You're really missing my heart here. 45 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:34.599 I care about people, and you're putting all of these 46 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:37.400 rules around to try to exclude people. And the Kingdom 47 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:41.080 of God is all about including people, not about excluding people. 48 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:44.759 So when I hear a story about this where the 49 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:48.199 Church of England says, hey, we've got these rules, no, no, no, 50 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:51.360 the Bible doesn't say that our communion bread, our communion 51 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:53.680 wafers need to have wheat. No, no, no, the Bible 52 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:56.479 doesn't say that communion wine needs to be made from 53 00:02:56.560 --> 00:03:00.960 fermented grape. That's just our rules and we can't break 54 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:05.319 those rules because that would be inconvenient. And to hear 55 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:09.039 that it's excluding people based on their own fucking rules, 56 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:12.400 and what is the fucking point do? Why? What? How 57 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:14.960 are you missing the point of this of this Like 58 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:18.599 it's so clearly like Jesus is you know, you're calling 59 00:03:18.680 --> 00:03:22.520 out the Israelites for this idea that oh no, I 60 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:24.840 don't I'm not going to give the I'm not going 61 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:26.960 to support my parents because what I would have given 62 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:28.719 to support my parents, I'm actually going to give to 63 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:31.560 God and that's what God wants. And Jesus is clearly 64 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:34.520 calling them out for placing these rules of man above 65 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:36.960 the rules of God. And I don't understand how the 66 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:42.120 Church of England could be missing the point so massively clearly, 67 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:46.159 uh that that it's the it's the hearts of people. 68 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:49.520 And if you're excluding people from participating in the sacraments 69 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:53.039 and saying well, it's okay, like no, fuck off, that's 70 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:54.800 what I have to say. That's what Jesus would say. 71 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:57.520 Jesus would funk that shit. 72 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:02.599 Okay, all right, thank you, thanks Stephen EJ. We're going 73 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:05.199 to jump over to you here. Steven thinks that obviously 74 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:08.000 this doesn't have a biblical foundation, so. 75 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:10.080 What could be the motive here? Could it? 76 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:13.400 Is it really just boil down to long held tradition 77 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:15.520 or what's going on with this? 78 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:18.439 So, as far as I can understand, the whole reason 79 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:23.560 was because it's not accurate ceremony. However, it's an odd 80 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:27.759 distinction to make since the wine is only a representation 81 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:32.279 to the cee of Church of England sorry much or 82 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:37.160 unlike how the Catholic Church believes in transcendentation, which they believe, 83 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:41.600 it's actually turning into the body and blood of Jesus, 84 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.560 which is very disturbing that I've thought about it after 85 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:48.120 being a Catholic. But to make it worse, likely due 86 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:50.639 to the region he was in, it wasn't whine they 87 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:53.720 would have been drinking anyway. It was rather more likely 88 00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:56.160 to be bail. So maybe the Churche of England should 89 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:58.240 switch to a pinal egad instead of being swapped tight about. 90 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:01.399 All it does is include people who want to join in. 91 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:03.800 I mean, yeah, Church of England that standard for them. 92 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:06.920 But come on, I know that church isn't exactly fond 93 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:10.319 of inclusivity, but wait, if people want to be saved, 94 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:12.759 you should let them. And if you disagree with that, 95 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:14.240 you're disagreeing with Jesus. 96 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:18.720 That's our job, right, We don't let them infringing on 97 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:20.240 our territory. 98 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:20.560 Right exactly. 99 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:23.000 So wait, so I just want to do a little 100 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:23.800 sidetrack here. 101 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:26.279 So you said the Church of England is kind of 102 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:28.199 exclusionary by nature? 103 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:28.920 Is that is it? 104 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:31.160 Can you go into that a little bit more? I mean, 105 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:34.519 what other ways is the Church of England exclusionary. 106 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:38.759 So Britain and England specifically has a lot a lot 107 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:43.600 of the Scottish English rivalry comes from Catholicism versus Protestantism. Basically, 108 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:47.040 whenever one was Protestant, the other was Catholic, and whenever 109 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:49.839 the Church of England was Protestant and Scotland was Catholic 110 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:52.879 for a while, what would happen is there'd be a 111 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:56.480 large population of Catholics up at the northern border, partially 112 00:05:56.560 --> 00:05:59.759 in England, and they'd get very very upset with this 113 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:04.839 and to the extremes they'd start going around killing people. Uh. 114 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:08.360 In fact, especially around the Tudor era, after Henry the 115 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:12.439 eighth side with the whole Queen Mary of Scots and 116 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:15.360 the Elizabeth first situation. 117 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:17.639 To present like Henry Harry just wanting to get his 118 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:22.759 rocksoff man, the. 119 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:24.839 Man knew what he wanted, right, that's maybe that's his 120 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:26.879 life goals, right, does you drink wine? 121 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:27.160 Well? 122 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:32.639 No, sorry, sorry, we're interrupting you. Inside joke there, Sorry, 123 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:35.000 go ahead, Ejectricy, please continue. 124 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:40.120 It's okay, it's the The Church of England has a 125 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:44.800 history of completely decimating groups of people and excluding them 126 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:47.240 for not agreeing with them. 127 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:49.839 Is it is that there is that they have political 128 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:54.319 differences and they're using the religion as their knife to separate, 129 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:55.839 to separate these groups. 130 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:58.480 Okay, sometimes it is. 131 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:02.600 Especially the founding, there was a there was a genuine 132 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:06.079 belief that they were really working for gold and the 133 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:08.680 head of the chart should be the king, right, which 134 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:10.800 I'm sure you can see what Henry loved it? 135 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:11.079 Right? 136 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:12.920 Yeah? Interesting? Interesting? 137 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:15.199 All right, Well I want to jump back to Helen, 138 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.079 uh real quick here. We haven't heard from you much 139 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:20.800 on this one. What do you think you know, what's 140 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:22.680 what's your take with this? I know I know that 141 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:25.519 you have a Catholic history, What's what what's the Catholic 142 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:26.240 do you on this? 143 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:31.360 So as a pharma Catholic, I've done a lot of 144 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:38.040 campibalism with the body and body and bloody Christ also 145 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:40.560 e J I'm sorry, Like, I just find it very 146 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:45.199 funny that, you know, the Henry in the eighth really 147 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:48.759 wanted to get laid and he was like, Hey, I'm 148 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:52.040 going to separate from the Catholic Church and create my 149 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:59.240 own church. Yeah, okay, get divorce so I can get 150 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:02.240 my rocks off. Like it's it's a very weird. It's 151 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:08.079 very like toxic masculine vibes. But regardless, like I'm going 152 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:11.439 to create a whole new religion and separations, so I 153 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:14.839 get my rock sop, very toxic masculine, a very religious. 154 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:17.000 I see you, Henry the Eighth, I see you. 155 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:23.399 For I am so. 156 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:29.480 That being said, I remember when I was a kid, 157 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.879 since I could not drink wine because I was not 158 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:35.720 twenty one day, would give us grape juice. So like 159 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:38.360 the Catholic Church has already been kind of bending the 160 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:40.960 rules anyway, So. 161 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:41.759 I don't want to see you. 162 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:45.639 I know you're a whole better than a Catholic church 163 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:48.120 who would just give the kids wine. 164 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:50.919 Right, yeah, like this like this is the thing. 165 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:54.159 When I was right, he didn't turn water into grape 166 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:57.200 juice after all, So like, well just wasn't a. 167 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:02.519 Thing like two found years ago. I'm so sorry, Like 168 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:05.399 but that's that's the thing, Like they're the Catholic Church 169 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:07.720 has always been making exceumptions like look at the Pope 170 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:11.799 being like kind of okay with gay people now, like 171 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:16.559 like it is they are constantly adjusting to the changing 172 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.039 wings of the people. I don't know why the Church 173 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.600 of England is kind of and the like, it's kind 174 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:25.080 of like, no, it has to be wine. It has 175 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:27.480 to be like you know, something has gluten in it. 176 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:30.759 And I'm like, listen, I'm like, if you're all powerful 177 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:36.200 god is very specific that about bread and wine, that 178 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:42.200 that his flesh cannot be transmuted into a like you know, 179 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:45.320 a rice cracker and grape juice. 180 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:46.200 I don't. 181 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:51.320 I'm like, does your god actually have any fucking power? Like, 182 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:52.960 let's like think about. 183 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:54.360 This just for two seconds. 184 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:56.919 Just think about it for two seconds, Like this is 185 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:00.600 supposed to be the creator of the universe, like all powerful. 186 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:02.480 Yeah, if he's. 187 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:06.919 Able to transmute his body and blood into bread and wine, 188 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:09.200 what does it matter if he has glutenant or not. 189 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:11.120 And by the way, grieps don't have gluten. So I 190 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.000 don't even know why this is a fucking argument. 191 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.159 I'm assuming that the way the biscuits is a thing. 192 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:21.600 So I'm sorry. So rice is like his like you know, 193 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:24.159 his scryptonized Like I can't do rice. 194 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:31.559 Maybe it doesn't transubstantiate as well, Right, this isn't. 195 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:34.320 Powerful deity, Like why were you having this argument? So 196 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:38.679 maybe your God isn't as powerful as he thought he was. 197 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:41.200 Just gonna say, and maybe. 198 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:48.919 Because I'm just as as the conservatives like to say, 199 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:50.480 I'm just asking questions. 200 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:53.639 Sorry, Stephen, what were you saying? 201 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:55.799 Just that maybe you're not putting your faith in God. 202 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:57.919 Maybe you're not trusting him that he's going to protect 203 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:02.240 you from those harmorfuls of gluten. If you really believed 204 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:04.679 in God, if you are a really real Christian, you 205 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:06.759 would eat that wheat and you'd know that you'd be Okay. 206 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:07.519 Maybe that's it. 207 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:10.559 Maybe they want to exclude the faithless, right, they want 208 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:14.279 to exclude the faithless or the weak of faith. That's interesting, Okay, 209 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:18.279 Well I want I want to propose another scenario here. 210 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:21.399 So sometimes people get kind of nitpicky about the details 211 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:24.679 because they want to make something seem more important than 212 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:27.039 it is. So the idea being that if this weren't 213 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:29.360 so important, then why would we care about the details 214 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:31.360 so much? Right, So I want to I'm gonna start 215 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:33.320 with Steven, since we're talking to you right now, do 216 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:36.960 you think the Church of England could be intentionally fluffing 217 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:40.399 up the importance of communion or or what here? 218 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:43.679 Like like I think like maybe it's I could see 219 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:46.600 it being a flex like hate you know what we're 220 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:49.000 making the rules and this is what we say the 221 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:51.000 rules are. And if you don't like it, well you 222 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:54.759 can go to hell. Literally I could totally see that. 223 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:58.440 Uh yeah, that and and like that idea of like 224 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.600 not backsliding, not there's no are what's what's a quote 225 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:07.039 from the Crucible? When that all theology is a fortress 226 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:11.000 and no fault can be viewed as minor. Like everything 227 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:12.879 has to be important, So we are not going to 228 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:15.440 give on this small detail because there are no small 229 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:16.200 details than God. 230 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:18.919 How about you, EJ, What what do you think about 231 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:19.440 about that? 232 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:23.279 Do you think that that this they could be focusing 233 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:26.159 on these details because they want to make it seem 234 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:29.399 important or could it be because as Steven suggested, maybe 235 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:33.399 all things are important. There's nothing but that's that's not 236 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:36.840 worthy of one hundred percent attention and that kind of thing, 237 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:38.720 or do you think it's something else. 238 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:41.960 I have a feeling this is a bit of an 239 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:45.440 internal church passing match, and that this is the result 240 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.399 of two people who are quite high up in the 241 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:52.679 church really beckering about it. However, I would be very 242 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:57.960 very curious to see if King Charles, the current King 243 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.600 of England, King of Bretton unfortune and head of the 244 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:05.919 chart would intervene to say no, no, let's let's allow 245 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:10.000 gluten since he has the power to do that. He also, 246 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:12.600 weirdly has a car that runs on left over wine, 247 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:16.799 so I'm sure he'd be all for it. 248 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:19.080 Does it run on leftover wine or does it run 249 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:21.120 left over grape juice? I mean, come on, there has 250 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:23.360 to be you know, we got to take that into 251 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:24.399 consideration here. 252 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:28.720 If gape juice as combustible, possibly as grape, I'd have 253 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:30.240 to test that one sugar. 254 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:32.679 I don't know, maybe who knows, who knows what? All right, 255 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:35.159 I want to let's jump back to Helen here. I 256 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:38.480 want to in the article they said, and I quote 257 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:41.559 the guidance states that the bread must be made with 258 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:44.919 wheat flour and the wine must be fermented grape juice 259 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:48.639 to be constant consecrated. But they do make wine that 260 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.080 has non alcoholic wine, that is that has been fermented. 261 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:54.440 You can make wine, and then you can take actual 262 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:57.519 wine that's produced through the normal process, and then there 263 00:13:57.559 --> 00:14:00.960 are various ways that you can get the alcohol out. 264 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:01.799 I mean, there's like. 265 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:06.080 Reverse osmosis, and there's other other types of process you 266 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:09.840 can boil the alcohol off. I've tried actually making non 267 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:14.240 alcoholic homebrew beer by by you make the beer regular 268 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:17.759 and then you boil the alcohol off slowly and at 269 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:20.559 fairly low temperatures because because the alcohol boils at a 270 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:23.120 lower temperature than the rest of the liquid. So there 271 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:23.960 are ways that you. 272 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:27.159 Can make non alcoholic wine that has been fermental. 273 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:31.120 To Scott, you're talking science. Can't talk science where you 274 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:32.120 talk about religion. 275 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:35.960 That's true, that's true. That's true. 276 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:39.759 However, science being a gift from the Almighty, of course, 277 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:45.120 But we can make non alcoholic wine. And I even 278 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:48.840 found a company and this was over a year ago 279 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:51.559 that I saw this. I found a company that in 280 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:55.679 Spain that can make They they've they've perfected a process 281 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:59.679 of making gluten free wheat wheat flour. They can take 282 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:02.639 the glue out of the wheat flower and so theoretically 283 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:06.960 you can still have gluten free uh you know, gluten 284 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:09.360 free biscuits without having and it's still made out of 285 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:12.000 wheat flower. You can have non alcoholic wine and then 286 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:16.080 still have it be fermented. If these options are not acceptable, 287 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:19.399 then what's the deal? What what I mean? What's going on? 288 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:25.120 It's almost like it's almost like people in that have 289 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:30.919 power want to control certain things in certain groups of 290 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:36.320 who gets access to those positions of power. 291 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:42.799 Weird interesting, you're the kind of throughout all of the 292 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:43.759 kind of thing. 293 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:48.399 It's kind of like, okay, like Nietzsche is a not burger, 294 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:51.320 but one of the things he did point out, like 295 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:53.879 I'm not like a huge fan niche, but one of 296 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:56.600 the things he did point out is that the priests 297 00:15:56.679 --> 00:16:00.799 and the people, uh that is keeping you from like 298 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:04.720 becoming an individual and having your own enlightenment and your 299 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:07.840 own mind is the fact that you will get access 300 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:12.240 to this divine power if you start gatekeeping over like 301 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:16.039 little things over gluten, you're not as far as you're 302 00:16:16.039 --> 00:16:18.679 not part of the super special club, and which also 303 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:22.039 kind of goes against their whole idea of like, let's 304 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:26.080 say you have an alcohol addiction. You can't consume wine, 305 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:31.559 alcoholic wine if you have an alcoholic addiction. So are 306 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:34.159 you going to tell those people, I'm sorry you don't 307 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:34.919 get to. 308 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:39.840 Maybe they're not worthy then maybe they're not in that 309 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:40.639 particular way. 310 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:42.919 Maybe that renders them unworthy. 311 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:47.039 And doesn't that kind of speak to the insidiousness of 312 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:51.639 religion that only super special people in super special groups, 313 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:56.919 and you're following certain lines get to participate in certain rituals, 314 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:00.799 and maybe we should be looking at this particular story 315 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:04.480 not so much about like gluten versus non gluten versus 316 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:08.960 like power structures and how power striachers kind of hold 317 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:13.200 the masses in certain you know, levels, rather than all 318 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:14.440 being part of humanity. 319 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:17.880 And if you are allowed to, if you want to 320 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:22.640 participate in particular faith, maybe the faith should accommodate the 321 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:25.440 person rather than the person accommodating the faith. 322 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:29.640 Well, that that would not God does not about that 323 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:36.000 kind of stuff at all. That's all about obedience. 324 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:36.839 Strict adherence. I mean, that would be totally against the 325 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:40.559 whole thing. I mean, then mass hysteria. 326 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:43.240 I'm going to point out, though, I'm just I'm just 327 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:48.880 as I'm just gonna ask questions. God concerned about gluten 328 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:53.160 two thousand years ago, to say, what's a concerned when 329 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:57.799 Peter established the Catholic Church, was there concerned about gluten? 330 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:00.519 I'm just asking questions, right. 331 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:04.000 Right, All right, Well, speaking of questions, I do have 332 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:07.160 a surprise question for all of you, and so I'm 333 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:09.000 going to read something to you, and then I want 334 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.799 to get your feedback on this. This is on the 335 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:15.599 Church of England dot org website. So this is the 336 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:18.480 official Church of England website. And this is a press 337 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:22.400 release that came out the day after our the article. 338 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:25.200 We just have been discussing and I'm going to apologize 339 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:27.279 in advance. I'm kind of throwing all of you under 340 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:31.400 the bus here. Thanks, but I'm also throwing myself under 341 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:32.240 the bus as well. 342 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:34.519 Here's the here's the press release. 343 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:38.480 No, we're not banning gluten free bread or non alcoholic 344 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:42.839 Communion wine. Contrary to recent reports following question asked by 345 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:45.759 a General Synod member, the Church of England is not 346 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:50.039 banning gluten free wafers nor non alcoholic wine at communion. 347 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:53.599 Church of England churches across the country routinely offered gluten 348 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:57.240 free bread or non alcoholic wine at Holy Communion. Many 349 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:01.079 professional ecclesiastical suppliers have long for vided wine or bread 350 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:04.200 which may contain tiny traces of alcohol or gluten, which 351 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:08.359 can legitimately be considered non alcoholic or gluten free. We 352 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:12.519 hope this helps clarify and avoid further confusion. So in 353 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:15.519 a way, we were all kind of sucked into this 354 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:19.559 article and none of us bothered to check if it 355 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:22.240 was true. Now, granted I did come across this, but 356 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:25.440 I wasn't I'll admit I wasn't looking to double check 357 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:25.960 the article. 358 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:27.640 I wasn't looking to double check the article. 359 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:30.640 I was just looking for another another perspective, and I 360 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:35.599 happened to come across this. But the story is is wrong. 361 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:38.359 They're they're not doing that kind of restructions. 362 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:45.880 Bias because I call this on our bias, like you, 363 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:49.240 all of us, myself included, on our biases. 364 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:51.680 So and I think that's great. I think that's really 365 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:53.880 great that you called this on this bias because those 366 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:58.400 of us that are in the spice, spice spices, taste, 367 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:03.440 the spice was flow. It's all about the spice that 368 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.960 are in this space that we automatically see articles like 369 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:11.960 this and we automatically go like, well, like religion is fucked. 370 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:16.799 They're obviously trying to, you know, pull one over the eyes. 371 00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:20.440 But you made a very legitimate point that you yourself 372 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:22.680 were like, well, maybe I'll just do a little bit 373 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:25.960 more digging, which the rest of us did not, and 374 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:29.359 you pointed out it's like, oh I was wrong about this, 375 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:32.680 So I think that, So kudos on you. For pointing 376 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:33.759 out that we. 377 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:34.319 All have bias. 378 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:36.680 I appreciate that. It's it's you know, it's hard. 379 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:39.200 It's hard to call it's hard to call yourself out 380 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:39.960 on that kind of thing. 381 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:41.519 Stephen, What do you what do you think about that? 382 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:45.519 I know, I want to look up what is it? Uh? 383 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:49.559 What's that website daily Daily Grind? What I'm blanking on 384 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:53.400 the website that you can check your sources through to 385 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:55.720 find out what their bias is? And what what's the 386 00:20:55.799 --> 00:21:00.480 webs snap? No no, no, no, no ground new thank you. 387 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.000 I knew it had something to do with grinding, but 388 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:09.720 not grinder. Yeah, that's that's uh. I want to double check. Yeah, 389 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:12.240 run through there and see where this information came from. 390 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:14.599 It's true. I saw it and I was just pissed 391 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:17.559 off about it because it just it just feels right. 392 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:20.279 It has that ring of truth about it, right, at 393 00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:25.440 least from from my limited perspective, that seems like something 394 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:29.240 because yeah, there's historical precedence for it, e g. 395 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:30.960 What do you think I'll give you the last the 396 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:31.799 last word on. 397 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:40.519 This, so I f weln on because I then not blank, like, oh, 398 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:43.920 the Church of England is doing this incredibly stupid bias thing. 399 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:46.880 I just kind of went, we tracks with our story. 400 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:51.319 And also it's a good lesson on like checking sources 401 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:55.400